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Donbass Rubik's Cube: Passions Around Alexander Khodakovsky

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One of the main News Donbass was the news that there was a discord in the camp of the people's militia. Discord - this is according to ukroSMI. They take a completely different point of view directly in the DPR, using the term “identifying provocateurs”.

To the delight of a jumping Svidomo public not inclined to analyze the situation as such, a certain Alexander Khodakovsky, the commander of the Vostok subunit, decided not to stay in Donetsk after the arrival of Igor Strelkov’s units. Khodakovsky has, in principle, been close to Makeevka, where, according to information Interfax, referring to a source in the DPR, barricaded himself in the building of one of the coal mining companies.

Donbass Rubik's Cube: Passions Around Alexander Khodakovsky


Khodakovsky in Kiev until recently was positioned as a "terry separatist, colorado, padded jacket" and stuff like that. Khodakovsky in the DPR, the LPR and in Russia was positioned (again, until recently) as one of the leaders of the people's militia, who is waging an irreconcilable struggle against the Kiev junta. It would seem that the “black cat” that ran between Khodakovsky and Strelkov is the discord in the ranks of the militia, about which Ukrainian and not only Ukrainian media write. But ... Related information.

Igor Strelkov reports that most of the personnel of the Vostok battalion did not follow Khodakovsky, but remained in Donetsk. According to the same Strelkov, with Khodakovsky, only the most dedicated people who had served in the SSU and other security agencies of Ukraine left for Makeevka.

Khodakovsky’s departure from a narrow group of “his people” from Donetsk spawned a tsunami of ideas from well-known political scientists. One care idea circulates around the web, gathering new and new layers like a snowball. This idea is that Khodakovsky has never been a representative of the people's militia, but was a Kiev sent Cossack who was pushed through the SBU to the Donbass to finally form the emerging people's republics to the point of self-destruction and again turned into the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine. Alexander Dugin became one of those political scientists sticking to just such a thought.

At the same time, Dugin, as well as some other political scientists, refer to the thoughts of representatives of the Donetsk People's Republic published on the Web. We give a few of them (here is the full version):

Sbushnik Khodakovsky (Donetsk "Alpha"), (SBU) has now become a de facto branch of the CIA, reporting to US citizen Nalyvaychenko. For implementation, he portrayed the transition to the DNR side and tried to subordinate the local counterintelligence to himself (in fact, sabotaged its creation!) And led a battalion called "Vostok".


Khodakovsky appropriated all the best weapon, which was in possession of the militia, and prevented its delivery in Slavyansk. Instead of being used for its intended purpose, the weapon served as toys in the hands, posing for the camera participants of the "East".


Through the battalion "Vostok" there was a huge amount of misinformation! For example, recently the Internet has bypassed the news that 70% of the punishers of the Azov battalion have been destroyed under Saur-Grave! This is misinformation and is absolutely inappropriate to reality! "Azov" did not even fight there! All of them were located at this time on the Azov coast at its base. Khodakovsky put down his vigilance with such stuffing. It is also possible his relationship with the surrender of Mariupol!


So, Khodakovsky’s departure in Kiev was presented as discord in the camp of the militia, as was supposedly once presented with a demarche of Bezler, who later declared ukrovbrosov. UkroSMI would naturally wish that both in the DPR and in the Russian Federation the readers (Internet users) would form a common opinion for themselves that there was confusion and vacillation in the militia. However, it seems that this time not only ukrovbros was revealed as a small-caliber bullet of the information war, but something more, namely, that in the militia from the first days there were gentlemen who tried to multiply the activities of the national militia to zero. Were these “zaslancy” from Kiev “jumpers” or is it a product grown already in the conditions of the emerging people's republics? To talk about it now is definitely impossible. But the fact remains that the fighters of the Vostok battalion are not represented by all the 100% fighters. That is, some really seemed to be ready to die and die for their land, others acted as provocateurs trying to bring the situation to the satisfaction of the interests of those who would like to get southeast on a silver platter.
Oddly, Khodakovsky’s belonging to the group of “sent Cossacks” can be confirmed, oddly enough, by the Ukrainian press. If Igor Strelkov is called exclusively a terrorist by Girkin and a representative of Russian special services, then about Khodakovsky it’s mostly like this:
"The commander of the battalion" Vostok "Alexander Khodakovsky". Another question: did ukroSMI know that Khodakovsky could be a Kiev figure in the Donbas, so that these same media would so calmly represent the position of this person? Hardly, if there are professionals in the SBU. But the fact still remains a fact. And at the same time, the fact remains that the SBU is filled with professionals (American advisers will have to be excluded in this case ...)

And here is an alternative opinion about Khodakovsky. He is represented by Sergey Kurginyan, who has recently displayed considerable informational activity:



After this opinion, the first number was received by Kurginyan, whom supporters of the idea of ​​Khodakovsky-decoy duck, were once again declared an accomplice to the “drain” of Novorossia and accused of participating in underground intrigues.

In the meantime, all this fuss continues, shelling of the cities of Novorossia by the Ukrainian security forces takes place, new civilian casualties are recorded, ukrosnaryadies fly into Russian territory, the number of refugees is growing, the Russian Foreign Ministry announces that the peacekeeping operation is something from the category of pseudo-initial fiction and relies on the great role of the OSCE ...
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  1. alekc73
    alekc73 11 July 2014 09: 28
    +20
    Decisive commanders do not want to submit to each other. Exposures of the partisan army. There is no unity of command.
    1. Момент
      Момент 11 July 2014 09: 32
      +9
      The enemies of New Russia must be known in person. It will be difficult, but I think they will figure it out.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 11 July 2014 09: 40
        +11
        "Decisive commanders do not want to obey each other. The costs of the partisan army. There is no one-man command."

        something Khodakovsky does not look like a decisive commander. and so - if you want victory tightly build unity of command
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 11 July 2014 10: 00
          -41
          Quote: alekc73
          Decisive commanders do not want to submit to each other.

          Quote: Moment
          The enemies of New Russia need to know in person.
          Yes, neither one nor the other. It’s just that Khodakovsky was apparently not a fool, and he realized that if the project was closed and the play was closed due to the current position of Russia, the organizers would need to appoint the extreme ones, because Girkin, Boroday, Berezin would be washed off. he doesn’t want to be, he decided to sit out. Although it seems to me that he’s afraid in vain. There are already fools prepared for this role: Pushilin, Gubarev, and they will also attract someone from those whom the media spun, there are options like dirt: Motorola, Bes, Babai In short, the one who shone the most on the screens is deadline.
          1. Peter Timofeev
            Peter Timofeev 11 July 2014 10: 27
            +11
            Small took, why not all of the Donbass? Listen less to Ukrainian - the media, then the brains will be in place.
            1. Prapor-527
              Prapor-527 11 July 2014 22: 59
              +4
              Quote: Petr Timofeev
              Small took, why not all of the Donbass? Listen less to Ukrainian - media, then brains will be in place.
              You need to listen to different media (including Ukrainian ones) ... And make conclusions for yourself based on what you listen to ... "If the brains are in place" ... hi
          2. Rus2012
            Rus2012 11 July 2014 11: 40
            +2
            Quote: baltika-18
            It’s just that Khodakovsky was apparently not a fool, and he realized that if the project was closed and the performance was curtailed due to the current position of Russia, the organizers would need to appoint the extreme ones, because Girkin, Borodai, Berezin would be washed off.

            ... not so easy under the moon, read here -
            http://takie.org/news/rassledovanie_proizoshedshego_pri_shturme_aehroporta_donec

            ka_26_05_2014/2014-07-10-11447
            And here (primary source) -
            http://el-murid.livejournal.com/1901358.html
            Very good informative. The bitter truth of war. And we must know this in order to correct mistakes and draw conclusions and decisions correctly.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 11 July 2014 11: 59
              +7
              Quote: Rus2012
              http://el-murid.livejournal.com/1901358.html
              Very good informative.
              This very Murid frame is interesting and seems to me to be paid. For a post like mine is immediately deleted from him, and the one who posted is banned. That is, opinions contrary to the opinion of Murid himself are not allowed.
              Quote: Petr Timofeev
              Listen less to Ukrainian - media,
              I don’t read Ukrainian media at all recently, it makes no sense. I have enough of ours to draw the conclusions that I have made for myself. I wrote already: time will tell, I will gladly take my words back if I made a mistake, but so far in the script of this The existence of Novorossia is not provided for. The war is necessary for the organizers, full-scale with the participation of Russia. Russia will get their way in, they will have everything to write off and loot, to hell with it, Novorossia. Hence the provocations, and the statements of everyone and everything. will be able to pull in. The project will need to be discontinuity.
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 11 July 2014 16: 39
                +1
                Quote: baltika-18
                Quote: Rus2012
                http://el-murid.livejournal.com/1901358.html
                Very good informative.
                This very Murid frame is interesting and seems to me to be paid. For a post like mine is immediately deleted from him, and the one who posted is banned. That is, opinions contrary to the opinion of Murid himself are not allowed.
                Quote: Petr Timofeev
                Listen less to Ukrainian - media,
                I don’t read Ukrainian media at all recently, it makes no sense. I have enough of ours to draw the conclusions that I have made for myself. I wrote already: time will tell, I will gladly take my words back if I made a mistake, but so far in the script of this The existence of Novorossia is not provided for. The war is necessary for the organizers, full-scale with the participation of Russia. Russia will get their way in, they will have everything to write off and loot, to hell with it, Novorossia. Hence the provocations, and the statements of everyone and everything. will be able to pull in. The project will need to be discontinuity.

                Do you need a script? I have them.
                Why does Russia need Novorossia, why do people die, why do fighters go there with the blessing of the elders? There is shale gas in New Russia. Has Russia refused transit? Well, with relatively low costs, you can fill the pipe with shale gas. Here’s the gas price collapse (the United States is happy to sponsor such an operation, they’ll get a hundred billion there — a hundred here, no difference, all one paper, real money is not needed here) and the rupture of our ties with Europe. Then Europe finds itself, all the same gas is much more expensive, but the train will already leave.
                For Russia, the blow will be terrible, even despite China. It is for Russia that Gazprom does not feed oligarchs, whatever they write on the network. It’s for Russia that people are dying now.
              2. domiemon
                domiemon 11 July 2014 20: 00
                +2
                There are several people there, as I understand it: El Murid, Putnik1, Yura Sumy, Colonel Cassad and someone else. There was also da-dzi, but he was banned from LJ. Post messages, throw links to each other. An attempt to conduct the information war as a united front. A propaganda and counter-propaganda campaign in the form of "analytics", imaginary and false insider information, etc. They have their own audience and to a certain extent it works.
          3. Luzhichanin
            Luzhichanin 11 July 2014 12: 24
            +1
            that is, exactly the same will be merged as Kurginyan merged. they are trying to dissuade Dugin, even the editorial board of VO didn’t miss an article against him, and he was from the same company.
            author Alexei, according to Dugin, collect more information, be surprised, and you quote him.
          4. The comment was deleted.
          5. washi
            washi 11 July 2014 15: 56
            +1
            Quote: baltika-18
            Yes, neither one nor the other. Just Khodakovsky apparently is not a fool, and he drank

            Just worked for Akhmetov.
            There are no other options.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 11 July 2014 22: 56
              0
              Quote: Vasya
              Just worked for Akhmetov.
              There are no other options.
              - here on this thread I suggested that Khodakovsky is Akhmetov’s people: http: //topwar.ru/53902-razocharovanie-patriotov-chitayte-dalee-http-svp
              ressaru-politic-article-91987-.html So I agree with you.
          6. Eugeniy_369k
            Eugeniy_369k 12 July 2014 21: 51
            0
            baltika-18 you are not in the eye but in the eyebrow wink .
            But minusers can understand ..... so much time the media hollowed the brains of people. what
        2. Nahum
          Nahum 11 July 2014 10: 03
          +22
          There is already a decisive commander in Donetsk - I. Strelkov and all commanders of militia units are obliged to obey him. Until one. It is a pity that Strelkov was in Slavyansk all this time. His place is in the center of not only the military, but also the political life of New Russia. He is her unconditional military leader and is obliged to consolidate all the armed forces to fight the fascists, to prepare the territory for defense. This had to be done the day before yesterday.
          1. Zerstorer
            Zerstorer 11 July 2014 10: 29
            +6
            Quote: Naum
            There is already a decisive commander in Donetsk - I. Strelkov and all commanders of militia units are obliged to obey him. Until one.

            Go and try to make them obey.

            Quote: Naum
            His place is in the center of not only the military, but also the political life of New Russia.

            When the military gets into politics, it doesn't end well. Everyone must do their job. By the way, mediocre military leaders sometimes become good politicians.
            1. Horn
              Horn 11 July 2014 11: 59
              +2
              [quote = Naum] His place is in the center of not only the military, but also the political life of New Russia. [/ quote]
              When the military gets into politics, it doesn't end well. Everyone must do their job. By the way, mediocre military leaders sometimes become good politicians [/ quote]
              “Tell that to Pinochet.”
        3. Salamander
          Salamander 11 July 2014 10: 14
          -5
          Khodakovsky - in the yard.
        4. Geo
          Geo 11 July 2014 10: 39
          +6
          There are no other options. Without subordination, there will be no order. Yes, and Khodakovsky’s especially no merit of battle. I was not at the front line, I didn’t attack anyone, the airport was pr ... l, I spent time in quiet Donetsk protecting Akhmetov’s property.
          1. WRC
            WRC 11 July 2014 12: 54
            +3
            A new press conference that talks a lot.
        5. Rus2012
          Rus2012 11 July 2014 11: 44
          +3
          Quote: Starfish
          build one-man management

          About one-man management and "cleaning up political garbage" here -
          http://takie.org/news/uborka_politicheskogo_musora/2014-07-11-11451
          In Donetsk today, the showdown continued following Strelkov’s return to Donetsk.

          In addition to Khodakovsky’s departure to Makeevka http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2014/07/10/69476, Kurginyan’s flight to Moscow, the beginning of vigorous action http://russian.rt.com/article/40196 against Donetsk airport and the retreat of the junta’s troops on 10 kilometers from Donetsk http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1310300, also touched on the issue of backstage arrangements behind the back of the militia, which necessitated a separate press conference with Strelkov (military leader of the DPR) and Bearding (the political leader of the DPR), in order to finally remove the political garbage that impedes the preparation of Donetsk for defense.

          If it's short.

          About Kurginyan, Akhmetov and Kolomoisky.

          1. Kurginyan was completely drained and against the background of Ragozin, Rykov and Sharansky's laughs over the old senile, they branded an accomplice of the junta, offering to go towards the Banderlog positions. Strelkov intelligently complained that Kurginyan first allowed himself "incorrect statements", and then he was afraid to come to talk to Strelkov, fearing that they would give him an ata-ta there. According to Borodai, it was Strelkov who did not allow Kurginyan's arrest, although Borodai had such a desire, because Kurginyan's behavior was in the nature of aiding enemy propaganda ...

          2. The council of commanders will start acting soon. Commanders obey Strelkovu. Strelkov’s positions as commander-in-chief did not succeed; therefore, the early informational attack failed - as before, only Kurginyan and his sectarians galloped, while Bagirov and Fitzmorgen, who lit up in her, rapidly distanced themselves from the foul-smelling history that cast a shadow on the Kremlin. A single military headquarters for Novorussia for the DPR and LPR will be formed. Who will lead him is still unknown.
          In general, work is going in the right direction, after the 3 months of actual sabotage, work has begun on building a real DPR army. It is quite obvious that if Strelkov had not come to Donetsk, no one would have done this now. As it is not difficult to notice, none of the significant field commanders supported the tantrums of Kurginyan and Co. on the theme of the abandonment of Slavyansk. The overwhelming majority of military experts spoke in favor of the justification of Strelkov’s actions and the tactically competent nature of his actions when breaking out of the encirclement.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 11 July 2014 11: 51
            +3
            About "Vostok" and Khodakovsky.

            3. Battalion "Vostok" is currently part of the state security forces of the DPR and, as Strelkov emphasized, is only under the operational subordination of the militia headquarters, that is, it is not directly subordinate to it. He closes in on the DPR Ministry of Security, which is led by Khodakovsky himself, but since the Vostok battalion, according to Borodai, performs front-line duties, Khodakovsky will perform his tasks virtually separately from the Vostok battalion, which is operatively subordinate to Strelkov. Thus, it can be stated that an agreement has been reached that Khodakovsky surrenders the leadership of Vostok to Strelkov, and that he will be protected from the growing accusations of treason, hence the attempt to disavow Gubarev's statements (Strelkov was even forced to defend Gubarev from Borodai, who went into a rage) and Purgin, although in fact it was after the events of the last two days that Khodakovsky was actually removed from command of the "East. The reasons for the very likely agreement are quite understandable - there was a very high risk of a violent clash in Donetsk between the group of Khodakovsky and Strelkov, apparently they chose the lesser evil, although it is obvious that the train of accusations against Khodakovsky will not disappear. So far, everything was attributed to some "collisions" and "disagreements", which led to the operational reassignment of "Vostok" to Strelkov. From Strelkov's statements it follows that he and Khodakovsky have not yet found a common language , but it is quite possible to find.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 11 July 2014 13: 15
              +7
              Well, in general, everything is clear. The fact that the walker is Akhmetov’s man and his battalion was essentially something like the Akhmetka’s PMC, the task of which was to preserve his property. After Strelkov began to put things in order, the walker got scared that they would make him an ata and just in case he took a break from Strelkov. The guys from the east battalion dopped the alignment and realized that they worked for a troubled guy and massively went to Strelok. Strelkov is absolutely unprofitable to start a civil strife and lose people. In fact, he made it clear to the walker that he knows everything about him, but he gives a chance to make amends with successful actions at the front. Anyone with a walker and Ahmetka has a couple of hundred fighters and they will not be superfluous at the front. Accordingly, either the walker will begin to earn a positive reputation in the database, or he will drive to Mariupol and become the head of security at Akhmetov’s enterprises. And now, when inveterate Antyufeev is responsible for counterintelligence and law enforcement agencies, attempts to stab the militia in the back will become less likely. Ahmetka will not touch people yet, so as not to face further sabotage.
        6. washi
          washi 11 July 2014 15: 55
          +1
          quote
          Quote: Starfish
          "Decisive commanders do not want to obey each other. The costs of the partisan army. There is no one-man command."
          something Khodakovsky does not look like a decisive commander. and so - if you want victory tightly build unity of command

          Donetsk, as I understand it, they wanted to pass.
          Strelkov's breakthrough violated all the cards by Akhmetovsky.
          Now there will be an organization that can be supported, albeit not entirely legal, but POWER.
          Before that, there was a complete disgrace.
          Crimeans on their websites come with matyugs: we are from Ukrainian symbols and Ukrainian. authorities got rid in 3 days, and Donetsk waited for Strelkov to come.
      2. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 11 July 2014 11: 06
        +2
        Quote: Moment
        The enemies of New Russia must be known in person. It will be difficult, but I think they will figure it out.

        It is necessary. Plus set you. Not just this - sort it out. For example: who is with us, in Russia playing the same game with the junta (USA) on their side? ... And every day of such a game - new victims. Imagine: these are your children, parents, friends ... You will worry: whose victory will be in the battle of corporations? I have to! We all need to know these enemy faces! No matter what you dress up.
    2. Mahmut
      Mahmut 11 July 2014 10: 00
      +1
      In such cases, they usually say "The cat smells whose meat it has eaten."
      So he immediately faded to a secluded place. So, he knows the sins behind him, which Strelkov may not even guess about yet. But what the hell is not joking.
    3. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 11 July 2014 11: 01
      +1
      DNR now needs to keep an eye on it! Many have a desire to break up the DNI, I think the FSB should help cleanse New Russia from traitors!
    4. duke
      duke 11 July 2014 11: 10
      +2
      the main thing is that the story of Spartak and Crixus does not repeat itself ...
  2. datur
    datur 11 July 2014 09: 29
    +4
    Khodakovsky is a traitor! kurginyan-just !!!!
  3. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 11 July 2014 09: 31
    +16
    A dark horse, but the cant at the Airport and Marinovka is his doing!
    1. nvv
      nvv 11 July 2014 09: 45
      0
      Who is Khodakovsky, only one person knows, Khodakovsky.
    2. Petergut
      Petergut 11 July 2014 10: 26
      0
      Here is some interesting material about the events at the airport of Donetsk 26.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      http://el-murid.livejournal.com/1901358.html
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      2. Ing40
        Ing40 11 July 2014 12: 54
        +1
        My opinion: after such material, SMERSH DNR should look very closely at Khodakovsky’s personality. In any case, before the end of the investigation, it must be removed from all operations, or sent to the foreground in trenches in the rank of private. Let prove your innocence soldier
  4. Northerner
    Northerner 11 July 2014 09: 34
    +3
    Yesterday at a press conference with Igor Ivanovich it was stated that Khodokovsky was in a normal relationship, that Pavel Gubarev now occupied the position of head of the department for the recruitment of militias and was not competent to make any statements from the DPR, but also introduced a new person to the public in the leadership, who now will supervise Justice and internal affairs together with judicial proceedings in the DPR.
    1. alone
      alone 11 July 2014 09: 45
      -7
      Even in the DPR they understood the sense of Gubarev’s statements, but I consider him to be the head of the recruitment department as a mistake. Such an important thing should not be given into the hands of balabole amateurs.
      1. Fevrrr
        Fevrrr 11 July 2014 10: 28
        +15
        One minus mine. I do not presume to judge what the DPR understood about Gubarev's statements. I will say this. An uprising was born in Donetsk under the slogans of Gubarev. After his arrest, the people rallied even more under the slogan "Freedom for Gubarev". At the initial stage, he did his job. One can only guess what would have happened in Donetsk if Gubarev had not appeared. I watched almost all of his performances. Yes - eloquent, yes - emotional, but how else? But to call him a dilettante balabol ... at least is no less balabolism.
        1. alone
          alone 11 July 2014 10: 58
          +4
          Where are the 250 tanks that Gubarev talked about? Where is the support of millions, at the last rally there were 4-5 thousand people, 80% of which were people aged 50+? Where are the rest of his promises and statements fulfilled? Where are the tens of thousands of militias that Gubarev spoke about? Why did he introduce himself as an ordinary NOD at a press conference, and in the end say that he is the governor?
          Quote: Fevrrr
          Under the slogans of Gubarev, an uprising was born in Donetsk.

          Naive people still think that Gubarev started the uprising))) Who was he before the events? A simple director of the service company, Grandfather Morozov. And part-time Former Barkashovets. And today he suddenly became an anti-fascist.
          I wrote yesterday. I’ll write it again. Those who are familiar with the work system of the KGB, the FSB, the SBU, etc., can confirm. They are people who are professionals. One conversation with the person under investigation is enough to understand what he is like. He’s here they exchanged them for the captured SBU-shnik. Because they realized that being free from this person would be more useful than in the SBU pre-trial detention center.
          Quote: Fevrrr
          But to call him amateur balabol ... at least - no less balabol.

          And who to call him. I'm talking with facts based on his actions. Having captured Donog in early March, this Gubarev vacates the building the next day and takes the state treasury by storm and announces its closure. In the office, the deputy director of the treasury explains the consequences of this for two hours step. This "professional", as you want to present him here, was not even aware of the fact that the closure of the treasury means a complete financial paralysis of the region, that people will not have salaries, pensions, and payments. He did not even understand that the closure of the Kazan state will hit him first himself. The electorate is mostly pensioners.

          So we don’t need to draw a portrait of a certain Donbass Che Gary Vary here. This process has been going on for 4 months already, and people who have not yet lost their ability to analyze the situation have long understood what Santa Claus is like, MMM-schik-kompensnik pisulin and all this woe to the brotherhood.
          1. Alexan
            Alexan 11 July 2014 11: 54
            +5
            To have a more complete picture of the characters, you need to have personal contacts with Novorossiya or. at least read many different sources. Well, the members of the forum do not do this. One note in VO is enough for them to form an opinion and then never deviate from it. All figures are only from the amount of "media". Pushilin, Gubarev are pure PR people. In Moscow, only small fry communicate with them. So it is not surprising that Kurginyan did not know Gubarev by sight. The "petitioners" for whom the funds were allocated were "the guys with the recommendation". Kurginyan is also an ambiguous figure. It is very easy to write him down as an enemy, completely unaware of the full secrecy of the situation with the supply of weapons. He is a boor, muddy, but not an enemy! Already because he personally represented the GDP.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 11 July 2014 13: 44
              +4
              Quote: Alexan
              To have a more complete picture of the characters, you must have personal contacts with New Russia or. although b, read a lot of different sources.

              Quote: Alexan
              So it is not surprising that Kurginyan did not know Gubarev in person.

              Find no contradiction between these two quotes?
              And Kurginyan revels so much in his oratory that he has no time to pay attention to others.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 11 July 2014 12: 01
            +4
            Quote: lonely
            Why did he introduce himself at the press conference as an ordinary NOD, and in the end said that he was the governor?

            Lonely, it is quite obvious to me why Kurginyan was asking this question, for whom demagogy is just one of the habits that provide a way out of uncomfortable situations. But then you ...
            The situation is in the palm of your hand, there is not even anything to talk about. Gubarev behaved in a very natural, everyday way. We must not forget that he became a public person very recently, and many "useful" habits are not peculiar to him.
            And it is VERY wildly to question Gubarev’s human qualities when the completely discredited person acted as the other side. Already one fact of opposing Kurginyan in my eyes added sympathy to Gubarev.
            1. alone
              alone 11 July 2014 14: 44
              -3
              Quote: Flood
              And it is VERY wildly to question Gubarev’s human qualities when the completely discredited person acted as the other side. Already one fact of opposing Kurginyan in my eyes added sympathy to Gubarev.

              The human quality of a person who promises a patisan war in a city with a million, knowing in advance that his family is in Russia, is very “nice.” Can you imagine the scale of the victims in a million city? A person who thinks about those ordinary citizens of Donetsk who neither what is not to blame. Apart from all of us, these leaders are more or less known there. So there is no general support for the ideas of these people.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 11 July 2014 14: 54
                +2
                Quote: lonely
                The human quality of a person who promises a patisan war in a million-strong city, knowing in advance that his family is in Russia, is very "pretty"

                But my answer was addressed to your previous remarks.
                I do not have time to jump after you from end to end.
                Let's sort through the points. Otherwise, the confused emotionality of your accusations may lead to the idea of ​​some personal predispositions.
                1. alone
                  alone 11 July 2014 15: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Flood
                  But my answer was addressed to your previous remarks.
                  I do not have time to jump after you from end to end.
                  Let's sort through the points. Otherwise, the confused emotionality of your accusations may lead to the idea of ​​some personal predispositions.

                  What are my personal predispositions? I judge a person by his specific actions and statements. Let’s take a look at the points.
                  Just yesterday it was announced about the creation of a 20 thousandth army on a contract basis, the military, which will receive 6-9 thousand hryvnias a month. To only pay the salaries of these 20 thousand, you need about 18 million dollars. Do you even know how much it costs to put on shoes , to feed and provide such an army with everything necessary for combat and recreation - approximately 50-70 million dollars a month.
                  And now we just read his other statement regarding the fact that Kiev has blocked all financial activities and supposedly people who cannot receive their pensions, salaries and social benefits suffer. In principle, this move by the Kiev authorities is quite expected and understandable.
                  The question is, if you have such funds that allow you to create such an army, then you should have funds that will make it possible to provide people with pensions, salaries and social benefits. So pay people their money, since you are talking about an independent republic. he shouted to the whole world that there was enough to feed Ukraine! and now he was just complaining - Kiev cut off finances. Who was there who fed him?
                  That is why Gubarev is a muddy, ambitious and poorly educated person who only does what he makes loud statements, but does not stand behind the words.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 11 July 2014 15: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: lonely
                    Just yesterday it was announced the creation of a 20 thousandth army on a contract basis, the military who will receive 6-9 thousand hryvnia per month

                    Moreover, just recently they spoke on the air about $ 80.000 to the family of each deceased militia. But why does this not lead you to the idea of ​​the existence of financing channels unknown to the general public?
                    Quote: lonely
                    The question is, if you have such funds that allow you to create such an army, then you must have funds that will make it possible to provide people with pensions, salaries and social payments

                    Nonsense, please write. At this stage of formation, this is impossible neither physically, nor technically, and in no other way.
                    1. alone
                      alone 11 July 2014 16: 02
                      -1
                      Quote: Flood
                      At this stage of formation, this is impossible neither physically, nor technically, and in no other way.

                      This is stupidity. You don’t know how to poop, don’t torture something. Remember this wise proverb. If we even say that I write stupidity (I do not consider my arguments stupid), then Gubarev’s complaints to Kiev are considered double stupidity . It turns out that Kiev was also to finance the war of Gubarev against Kiev)))).
                      Gubarev’s statement about the fact that he is going to finance the contract army with the help of Donbass’s public funds is even more interesting. Vladimir, you just don’t want to believe that Gubarev is completely inadequate. What kind of popular help. If the population cannot get their money to spend it on food, small and medium-sized businesses galloped away from the region as soon as the first shots were heard.
                      Moreover, just recently they spoke on the air about $ 80.000 to the family of each deceased militia. But why does this not lead you to the idea of ​​the existence of financing channels unknown to the general public?


                      And you are a perfectly sane person who believes in what these people say. $ 80. It is only in reports that 000-1 people from the militia and hundreds of Ukrainian military men die.
                      Now multiply the real losses by these numbers and you will understand that, not financially, technically no one in the DPR is capable of paying this money. And you know why.
                      At this stage of formation, this is impossible neither physically, nor technically, and in no other way.
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 11 July 2014 16: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: lonely
                        And you are a perfectly sane person who believes in what these people say. $ 80

                        There is reason not to believe these words? Can you refute?
                        Quote: lonely
                        .This is only in the reports 1-2 people die from the militia and hundreds of Ukrainian military

                        I haven’t read any such stuffing from the militia. Recommend you sources?
                      2. alone
                        alone 11 July 2014 16: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        and I didn’t read one such stuffing from the militia.

                        Come on Vladimir! there’s a lot of sources where a long list of rubbish about everything that Kiev can have, two fell against one, left one leg up. Want a specific example? Strelkov said that he lost 10% of his armored vehicles when leaving Slavyansk. Different sources show figures with photos from 7 to 10 completely destroyed armored vehicles. I take the minimum number of 7 and I think that means he had 70 tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers combined. Do you know what 70 units of BT are? And why did he say then that he had no BT in the right quantities?
                        You are all sitting here (well, let's say a certain part), you just want to believe what you are told. And nobody is going to turn on the logic. Or doesn’t want to just give a load to the brain.
                        Kurginyan has only one right. Only one thing. The boiler is brewing. But it’s not known where. It could be Lysychansk, or maybe Donetsk. And judging by reports from the front, most likely the whole East was taken. The Chervonopartizansky border crossing was taken. they’ll close the border (everything goes to this). Then there will be no difference — Will the gubarev pay 80 thousand, or 100. Or will he stay there.
                      3. Flooding
                        Flooding 11 July 2014 17: 00
                        0
                        Quote: lonely
                        Strelkov said that he lost 10% of his armored vehicles when leaving Slavyansk

                        Maybe you misunderstood? This level of losses in manpower was indicated, but not in armored vehicles.
                      4. alone
                        alone 11 July 2014 17: 16
                        0
                        No, I remember exactly that it said 90% of manpower, and armored vehicles and heavy weapons
          3. Fevrrr
            Fevrrr 11 July 2014 16: 10
            0
            alone, you misinterpreted my comment. I did not try to justify Gubarev, I criticized you (the reason is the accusation of balabolism).
            Quote: lonely
            Naive people still think that Gubarev began an uprising)))
            Maybe the naive think so, unlike them, they are inclined to believe that rebellion is a matter for the masses, but the masses have and should have a leader. Leaders are divided into formal and informal. Who Gubarev was is a separate question.
            Quote: lonely
            one conversation with the person under investigation is enough to understand what he is like. He was immediately exchanged for the captured SBU-shnik.

            Are you 100% sure that Gubarev was sincere with them, and did not play the role of a dummy? As for me, then go and know :). Although bizarre thoughts visited me after his release. But if memory serves, it was not just exchanged; there, on the diplomatic level, someone from Russia oversaw the issue of liberation with exchange.
            Quote: lonely
            Having seized the MONEY in early March, this Gubarev vacates the building the next day and storms the state treasury and announces its closure.
            It is in this moment that my "thoughts" converge with Gubarev. IMHO did not see any sense from the seizures of the Regional State Administration. SBU and Ministry of Internal Affairs - where they did not go, there are guns. The seizure of the Treasury and the tax office is the seizure of cash flows. What's the use of taking the Regional State Administration if the money (taxes, etc.) went to Kiev into the hands of the junta. The fact that you are talking about some difficulties with pensions and so on after the seizure of the treasury is nonsense. Don't believe me? Then the question .. in the quiet areas of the treasury was not captured, you know how it is with payments to state employees and pensioners? Is everything issued regularly and in full? If what you have described is (financially) true - where does Bolotov get the funds to pay aid to the families of the victims? Isn't the junta transferring to the Lugansk Treasury?
            I repeat where I started. I'm not trying to say that Gubarev is seven spans in the forehead. I don’t care who and how he was before the events (remember Vissarionovich, etc.), it’s important that the people followed him. I would really like for those who stood at the origins of the LPR and the DPR to study the works of Ilyich earlier, but alas. It’s a pity, for it’s not cool, but Ilyich has a lot to learn in terms of uprisings, conquests and construction.
            1. alone
              alone 11 July 2014 16: 47
              0
              Quote: Fevrrr
              it is important that the people follow him.

              Millions of people live in the region. 3-4 thousand pensioners were elected Gubarev. Enough to make statements on behalf of the people. Norad simply doesn’t need a mess, not the one from Kiev, and not the one who creates the DNR. I consider the further argument useless. You all will only want to hear that what do you want to hear.
              Gubarev is a very mediocre mass-media actor. That's the whole essence of his activity. And no one can convince me otherwise. Well, the former Barkashovets cannot be an anti-fascist. It cannot be.
        2. Wellych
          Wellych 11 July 2014 12: 14
          +2
          plus is your minus, because
          a) not all the sources of information that are available to you are available to him (and me)
          b) a person is trying to just reason sensibly (in principle point a, but I'm already drunk)
        3. domiemon
          domiemon 11 July 2014 20: 30
          +1
          Gubarev is a politician, albeit a beginner. Therefore, here comes a bunch of problems. I didn’t really like how Boroday began to say that no one was calling Gubarev (by the way, this guy had been sitting under the SBU press for 2 months) and saying that they and Strelkov were Muscovites.
          1. alone
            alone 11 July 2014 23: 19
            +1
            Quote: domiemon
            to say that, they say, they with Strelkov are Muscovites.

            )) Well, it’s not Columbus who’s worn Boroday and hasn’t discovered any America. They are both residents of Moscow and citizens of Russia. Why hide what everyone knows. And you probably wanted that, he said that we are both Donetsk miners who have just left the shift and came here to give a press conference? what
            1. domiemon
              domiemon 12 July 2014 04: 23
              0
              I didn’t want anything. I just didn’t like how Boroday filed it. With Moscow snobbery. I don’t understand what this Boroday is doing there. Donetsk Purgin would be a normal prime
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 11 July 2014 11: 36
      +2
      Quote: Northerner
      Yesterday at a press conference with Igor Ivanovich it was stated that Khodokovsky had normal relations

      We read from the colonel:
      Quote: http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1658931.html
      The Vostok battalion is currently part of the DPR state security forces and, as Strelkov emphasized, is only under the operational subordination of the militia headquarters, that is, it is not directly subordinate to it. He closes in on the DPR Ministry of Security, which is led by Khodakovsky himself, but since the Vostok battalion, according to Borodai, performs front-line duties, Khodakovsky will perform his tasks virtually separately from the Vostok battalion, which is operatively subordinate to Strelkov. Thus, it can be stated that an agreement has been reached that Khodakovsky will surrender the leadership of Vostok to Strelkov, and he will be protected from the growing accusations of treason, hence the attempt to disavow Gubarev's statements (Strelkov was even forced to defend Gubarev from Borodai, who went into a rage) and Purgin, although in fact it was after the events of the last two days that Khodakovsky was actually removed from command of the "East. The reasons for the very likely agreement are quite understandable - there was a very high risk of a violent clash in Donetsk between the group of Khodakovsky and Strelkov, apparently they chose the lesser evil, although it is obvious that the train of accusations against Khodakovsky will not disappear. So far, everything was attributed to some "collisions" and "disagreements", which led to the operational reassignment of "Vostok" to Strelkov. From Strelkov's statements it follows that he and Khodakovsky have not yet found a common language , but it is quite possible to find.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 11 July 2014 14: 49
      +2
      Quote: Northerner
      Yesterday at a press conference with Igor Ivanovich it was stated that Khodokovsky had normal relations

      And an addition from Dzygovbrodsky:
      Quote: http://vk.com/dadzi
      I support the decision Strelkova and Beard. I fully trust them. If they decided that it’s better, then it’s better for New Russia.

      Khodakovsky has always been and remains a man of Akhmetov. The fact that he agreed to work under Strelkov, that Strelkov took him back, means one thing - Akhmetov chose the side. And now it supports the DPR.

      In general, a logical decision. Akhmetov had no room for maneuver.

      I do not really like Khodakovsky - taking into account his early activities and many of the ruined children from the Militia. But I am glad that one of the forces in Donetsk, namely Akhmetov, decided on the position. This will benefit New Russia.
  5. Gray 43
    Gray 43 11 July 2014 09: 35
    +3
    In one publication, Khodakovsky was called Akhmetov's man, and he, in turn, fights for his interests with Kolomoisky's "competing firm" - the fight goes for fat pieces, covering it with tinsel of patriotism
  6. Predator
    Predator 11 July 2014 09: 41
    +4
    It’s time to abandon ambitions. And create normal forces, with a single command and headquarters, and accordingly implement their decisions on the defense of the republic. There is no time to drag the blanket in different directions.
    1. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer 11 July 2014 10: 31
      +2
      And for this there must be a single political leadership, but it does not exist. You can try to gather people under the authority, for example, Strelkova. But this does not mean that there will be no other units.
  7. Olkass
    Olkass 11 July 2014 09: 41
    +7
    There are no "former" employees.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 11 July 2014 09: 42
    +6
    I can’t say anything about the information contained in the article, who is right, who is wrong .. for one simple reason, there is a big drain of desa from different sides .. but in every desa there is some truth .. which we will learn in 50 years ...
  9. Iero
    Iero 11 July 2014 09: 45
    +6
    Evil tongues are more terrible than a pistol (A. Griboyedov). It is very doubtful that Khodakovsky works for the SBU (CIA), why risk your life and your loved ones so much? Cheating of this level is not forgiven. The situation is solved simply: Alexander is removed from a high position and sent as a platoon commander, for example, into the thick of it. This is what is likely to happen. Dill propaganda desperately needs a split in the ranks of the DPR, they will squeeze "treason" out of everything.
  10. calocha
    calocha 11 July 2014 09: 48
    +4
    And how they held on to the kurginyan they didn’t take under arrest - I’m surprised! Fighting and sputtering in the studio are DIFFERENT THINGS! Now you need to - UNITE and forget all the insults as it is in the hands of the enemy
    1. abrek
      abrek 12 July 2014 21: 20
      0
      in fact, Kurginyan was in Donetsk, in the same place as Strelkov. And he was not afraid to express his opinion on the surrender of Slavyansk. Moreover, his movement from the first days of the Maidan has been providing assistance. After the start of the junta operation, help only increased. And now you can remember how Strelkov became the commander, who elected Beard, who is now Gubarev. What was done by Boroday in Donetsk to fight the junta. If there were more such saliva-spraying people, the Ukrainian people's liberation army would already go to Kiev.
  11. King
    King 11 July 2014 09: 48
    +1
    We will wait for how the event will turn out. and Khodorkovsky - in general, the surname itself is muddy
  12. Russ69
    Russ69 11 July 2014 09: 48
    +5
    Yesterday, Strelkov in an interview dotted the "I" about Khodokovsky. But it seems to me that there is still some kind of conflict of interest ...

    At a press conference, Prime Minister Alexander Boroday said that he spoke with the head of the Vostok battalion, Alexander Khodakovsky, yesterday, and there are no problems with him at the moment.
    Defense Minister Igor Strelkov said: “Mr. Khodakovsky visited me in Slavyansk twice at the end of April of this year, and we then found a completely normal common language and agreed on a certain interaction. I am sure that we will arrange a meeting with him and we will surely find this common language and act together, hand in hand.
    As for everything else, I want to say that the units of the Vostok battalion now directly interact with the militia, carry out combat missions, and have been fulfilling them for several days. And coordination between the headquarters of the militia and the "East" exists from the first day of our arrival in the city of Donetsk. "
  13. REMBO
    REMBO 11 July 2014 09: 49
    +2
    I think that Khodakovsky is not a zealot, they just bought it.
    1. Geo
      Geo 11 July 2014 10: 44
      +5
      And they bought it not from Kiev, but the local oligarchy. That is, he is an enemy of Kiev too. Just the interests of the DNI and Khodakovsky are different, but against the junta. My personal opinion, I could be wrong.
  14. andrew42
    andrew42 11 July 2014 09: 50
    +3
    Even if not a zealot, it’s still not better. In a situation like in Donetsk, there is no room for disagreement. Even if someone imagines himself a great strategist. Strelkov proved his loyalty to Donbass a hundredfold. And the fact that Khodakovsky explicitly opposed him was a serious reason not to trust him.
  15. Appius
    Appius 11 July 2014 09: 54
    +2
    Undoubtedly, traitors need to be identified, there may be sent "Cossacks". The DNR counterintelligence will figure out who is who.
  16. Russ69
    Russ69 11 July 2014 09: 59
    +6
    Yesterday's press conference on Khodokovsky ...
    1. 222222
      222222 11 July 2014 16: 35
      -1
      Khodakovsky gave the Interview 10.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX
      http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1WOj0uxqzA_JBLfmo4ZYdA
    2. Horst78
      Horst78 11 July 2014 19: 26
      -2
      Why did they omit Paul? Or is he no longer the people's governor?
      1. domiemon
        domiemon 11 July 2014 20: 42
        +2
        It’s just that the games are over. Serious people rule. Although the purely human form of filing by Boroday this fact in relation to Gubarev I did not like
  17. Roman 11
    Roman 11 11 July 2014 10: 03
    +1
    Again, the kurginyasha knows for sure 100% the information from Moscow and at the same time from Doyetsk, they were figuring a descendant of Sudoplatov ......
  18. divangeneral
    divangeneral 11 July 2014 10: 08
    +2
    Igor Ivanovich, I’m sure, will figure out who is the traitor and who is not. he knows better
  19. Performance
    Performance 11 July 2014 10: 09
    0
    Most likely, Khodakovsky, as originally built into the system of local relations, seems more negotiable for various parties. More connections and obligations to their own, more maneuvering, but this mess in Donetsk does not justify!
  20. Rock2
    Rock2 11 July 2014 10: 11
    +1
    It is unambiguously necessary to verify it through the capabilities of counterintelligence. Many indirect points indicate his "wrong" activities, and then draw conclusions and officially announce it ... Then I think everything will become clear ...
    1. Zerstorer
      Zerstorer 11 July 2014 10: 38
      +1
      You need to check everyone! With no exceptions. And Strelkova and Gubareva ... ALL! And, most importantly, check their surroundings. This is the work of counterintelligence.
  21. papont64
    papont64 11 July 2014 10: 20
    +2
    It’s a pity when the comrades quarrel, this is not good for the common cause, you can swear after a victory.
  22. Iero
    Iero 11 July 2014 10: 20
    +2
    Alexander Khodakovsky: "I know that more than one criminal case has been opened against me, more than one task has been issued for my arrest - they are accused of separatism - so I have nothing to hide." (completely - http://pandoraopen.ru/2014-07-02/intervyu-s-komandirom-batalona-vostok-aleksandr
    om-xodakovskim /). It is very noteworthy that the ears of the news "Khodakovsky fled to Makeevka" are growing from "Interfax" and RBC, i.e. not from Ukraine, but from Russia.
  23. gandalf
    gandalf 11 July 2014 10: 21
    +3
    And here is an alternative opinion about Khodakovsky. He is represented by Sergey Kurginyan, who has shown considerable recent information activity

    Purginyan - that's it!
    I can't imagine that he was used "in the dark" on the side of the 5th column, too smart. Therefore, I consider him an enemy, a dangerous, cunning enemy.
    Once he stigmatized Prosvirnin for inculcating himself in the patriotic forces and introducing discord there, while at the same time he entered the DPR and sow discord there.
    Moreover, his connections with Israeli intelligence communities:
    http://voicesevas.ru/news/analytics/2671-kurginyan-izrailskiy-sled.html

    Khodakovsky - that's all!
    Quote: http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2570-o-politicheskoy-podopleke-travli-stre
    lkova.html

    Strelkov, having left the encirclement near Slavyansk, has already led to the fact that some of the potential defendants in the DPR discharge and negotiations with Akhmetov began to scatter from Donetsk - in an unknown direction (rumored to Mariupol (approx. my. here the error / typo - Makeevka, the author then apologized for the error)) the former commander of "Vostok" left Khodakovsky being on the salary of Akhmetov (but nevertheless calmly rolling to Moscow), the Ukrainian authorities, which calmly existed in Donetsk before the arrival of Strelkov, also began a rapid rampage, the city began to clean up the units not yet captured, today here is the mayor of Donetsk Lukyanchenko suddenly left the city for Kiev "for consultation". That is, Strelkov (with the likely filing of certain circles in Moscow) is simply destroying the base for collusion with the junta and Akhmetov, since it would be unrealistic to surrender the city along with a bunch of militias fighting the junta, and Strelkov has one of the largest formations of armed people and a significant authority among the residents of the DPR and the militias. This authority must be urgently destroyed, as it begins to pose a threat to the current policy.
    1. gandalf
      gandalf 11 July 2014 10: 22
      +7
      ++
      There was a plan - to defeat / destroy Strelkov in Slavyansk. And then Donetsk will be taken from within and without.
      Lugansk could have been sacrificed as a last resort, but pushing Lugansk alone would have been easier.
      If during the 3 (!) Month the defense was not prepared in Donetsk, then its creation was sabotaged.
      During this time, KGB / smersh was created in Lugansk, and bobbo shelters were prepared and much more.

      It is known that Khodakovsky sabotaged the transfer of weapons to Slavyansk, they couldn’t and didn’t try to take the airport (with Strelkov’s arrival, they actively took up what prevented earlier? who?)

      Now the 5 convoy flees en masse from Donetsk.
      They will not fight with Khodakovsky now. They isolate him (a new deputy prime minister for security from Transnistria has been appointed), they will not distract him, and when they can, they will take him.

      Quote: http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2686-uborka-politicheskogo-musora.html

      After the incident, Moscow urgently strengthened its position in the leadership of the DPR, adding to Borodai the former Minister of State Security of Transnistria Antyufeev, who, being a citizen of the Russian Federation with the rank of Lieutenant General, is called upon to help stop the scandal by cleaning up Surkov's people, or to figure out on the spot what really is happened in Donetsk. Taking into account the obvious connections of this person with the "bloody gebney" http://moldnews.md/rus/news/44264, the second option is more likely. Considering the post of "First Deputy Prime Minister for Power Issues", in addition to analyzing what happened, he will obviously help to establish one-man command and establish order. In general, this urgent appointment also became a direct consequence of Strelkov's arrival in Donetsk.
      1. alone
        alone 11 July 2014 14: 47
        -1
        Quote: gandalf
        Now the 5 convoy flees en masse from Donetsk.

        belay It turns out that there were so many fifth columns in Donetsk that his departure can be re-qualified as massive. And you have not tried to think like this: Civilians leave the city so as not to be caught in the crossfire of the warring parties.
        Everyone wants to live, and not just the families of woeful leaders.
  24. pahom54
    pahom54 11 July 2014 10: 29
    +1
    Maybe everything is much simpler, and Khodakovsky is just a modern daddy Makhno, who lives by the principle: "Hit the red ones until they turn white, hit the white ones until they turn red" ...
    Well, the fact that he dumped from Donetsk before the arrival of Strelkov evokes vague suspicions ... In general, the civil war is the most terrible kind of war, because it is very difficult to determine where a friend is and where is the enemy and provocateur ...
  25. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 11 July 2014 10: 30
    +4
    The Russian Foreign Ministry announces that the peacekeeping operation is something of the category of pseudo-valued fiction and relies on the great role of the OSCE ...

    "Russian Foreign Ministry" is turning into something common, almost abusive. Apparently, the aspirations of the people went against the actions of the government! Khodakovsky is apparently a sent Cossack!
    1. Performance
      Performance 11 July 2014 10: 39
      +4
      In fact, I have the feeling that facsimiles were made in the Russian Foreign Ministry - to rivet your notes! Wham, and the note of protest is ready.
    2. alone
      alone 11 July 2014 14: 49
      +2
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      "Russian Foreign Ministry" turns into something common, almost abusive. Apparently, the aspirations of the people went against the actions of the government!

      Two days ago, Lavrov was a genius, the personification of a true patriot, a hero-minister, and today he, together with the ministry, is turning into a common and abusive one.
  26. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 July 2014 10: 45
    +1
    Consolidation of forces and unified management is always good, and if the provocateurs are washed off themselves, and they do not need to be identified and neutralized, it is also good. The "Vostok" battalion will now mostly be engaged in business, and Khodakovsky is a provocateur, in theory he should bring to Kiev, but in Kiev it will be uncomfortable now.
  27. Vitalka
    Vitalka 11 July 2014 11: 12
    +2
    That's why the GDP of troops in the DPR and LPR did not enter immediately after Crimea. Although the moment was just awesome. There are no former scouts; SVR in Ukraine works for 5+. It can be seen that in Crimea the leaders were one team, and in the DPR squabbles and squabbles still. And what happened in March-April, only God knows and GDP. If the mess does not end now, it’s a paragraph.
  28. Ross
    Ross 11 July 2014 11: 12
    0
    Quote: alekc73
    Decisive commanders do not want to submit to each other. Exposures of the partisan army. There is no unity of command.

    Khodakovsky dog ​​Akhmetov, on a decisive commander never look like.
  29. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 11 July 2014 11: 13
    +1
    Not bad Americans used disagreements in the militia. And our Kurginyans, Dugins, too, are not far off. I just want to tell them - do not go into the dill events if you do not understand them and do not harm the Donbass militia. Let the Ukrainians themselves figure it out in the militia, and outside help is a disservice. Our couch urapatriots also add fuel to the fire - they allegedly root for the Donbass, but do not rush there themselves as volunteers, but they water their president and the Foreign Ministry for trying to wage war from Russia itself, they do everything to ensure that Russia they didn’t drag into the war because of the brainlessness of the cheers-patriots who are good at the war so far there are no corpses among the Russians due to the fault of Russia itself. And there will be corpses these unfortunate patriots screech on the contrary, that Russia was forced by their rulers to fight. The war with Ukraine is centuries of hostility between our peoples, mountains of corpses and seas of blood. Already in the dill appeared the world geese-lovers of war, who came from the same Syria at the call of the United States. Do patriots want to fight with these cheers? Then forward to the Donbass, but only informally.
  30. Vesnik
    Vesnik 11 July 2014 11: 14
    +2
    Quote: Peter Timofeev
    Listen less to Ukrainian - the media, then the brains will be in place.

    Ukrainian media is generally a revolution of information by "180 degrees".
    All channels! All!!
    Information goes only through the Internet and Russian channels.
    Everything needs to be "filtered".
  31. vezunchik
    vezunchik 11 July 2014 11: 15
    +1
    There must be unity of command. But the Americans are not asleep - sending provocateurs is their trump card.
  32. MMX
    MMX 11 July 2014 11: 28
    -1
    Hmm, what is the contradiction to the statements in UkroSMI in this article? If they say about a breakdown in the militia camp, then this article also deals with this. But what is this if not discord? If Khodakovsky is a traitor and an enemy, then he must be detained. What didn’t happen. He just left. So there are significant differences. Alas, we have to admit that there is no unity in the camp of militias. As there is no popular support (as recent events show) ...
  33. jurijsv
    jurijsv 11 July 2014 11: 42
    +2
    Disagreements are inevitable in such formations. Until there is a harmonious system of army unity of command, this will continue
  34. Russ69
    Russ69 11 July 2014 11: 56
    0
    11.07 Riflemen

    Yesterday they attacked the airport in Donetsk with two assault groups of special forces, two "Nons", an AGS platoon, an armored group (BMP) and mortars. The enemy suffered heavy losses. "Bumblebees" burned down the hotel building. Eight seriously wounded soldiers were taken to the city. An attempt by an enemy group to break through the Sands was repulsed with heavy losses. On our side, there are no losses in the airport area.

    Unfortunately, there are losses in the battles on Karlovka (including today) - continuous artillery shelling continues. This morning one "Slavic" militia was killed there.

    At night (or rather, in the morning, in 4.00) they struck an artillery strike against the enemy in the area of ​​Marinovka (southeast of Snezhnoye). Ukrov tent camp was shelled. Losses of the opponent we specify.

    In the morning over Donetsk marked the activity of enemy aircraft.
    1. alone
      alone 11 July 2014 14: 50
      +2
      Quote: Russ69
      Unfortunately, there are losses in the battles on Karlovka (including today) - continuous artillery shelling continues.

      Anyone who understands what continuous shelling is, will understand that this does not end with one killed.
  35. Naval
    Naval 11 July 2014 12: 04
    +4
    Nobody canceled the principle of unity of command in the army, Strelkov proved that he can organize defense and is capable of developing tactical operations, so everyone should rally around the commander and throw away all small squabbles. Share the glory after the victory, but for now everything is for the front, everything is for victory!
  36. exiv200gt
    exiv200gt 11 July 2014 12: 24
    +1
    Loved Khodakovsky Cossack mishandled! It was not by accident that he was guilty of the most legal operation of the militia to seize the airport, when he set up his guys and subsequently brought them to a friendly heavy fire. And the fact that the most savory nishtyaki took away at a time when this weapon was so needed in Slavyansk. In short, there is no confidence in him, there is no direct evidence either, but wait and see, if indeed a rat, then he will get his own!
  37. Snipe
    Snipe 11 July 2014 12: 29
    0
    And then - http://rusvesna.su/news/1405061685
    Rumors about the contradictions between the military units of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the Prime Minister of the DPR, Alexander Borodai, called the enemy’s ideological sabotage. He stated this yesterday, July 10, during a press conference held in Donetsk. His words were confirmed by the commander in chief of the DPR army, Igor Strelkov.

    “Rumors about the contradictions between the power units in all kinds of commercial schemes that supposedly exist and are implemented in these commercial schemes, where some units of the DPR are involved, are lies and misinformation. There is no contradiction, now joint work has been established, ”Borodai said.
    He explained that in the near future the council of commanders will begin to operate and the work of all power units will become coordinated.

    In turn, the Commander-in-Chief of the DPR Army Igor Strelkov noted that the Vostok battalion is part of state security structures. At the same time, its units, which are at the forefront, are operational subordination to the militia headquarters, and in combat submission to the Ministry of State Security.

    At the same time, Borodai recalled that the head of the battalion, Alexander Khodakovsky, is the DNR security minister, and the Vostok battalion is a military unit subordinate to him. Borodai also denied the statements of the people's governor, the leader of the Novorossiya party, Pavel Gubarev, who confirmed rumors of disagreements in the power structures. Pavel Gubarev is a respected person, but his statements are not official information and political statements are not within his competence, ”he said and added that he spoke with Khodakovsky yesterday and there are no contradictions between them.

    However, Igor Strelok, Commander-in-Chief of the Army of the Donetsk Republic, reminded Borodai that Gubarev is still an official, since he was appointed head of the mobilization work department.
  38. sv68
    sv68 11 July 2014 13: 27
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    but let Khodakovsky himself say what he thinks and what happens, in his opinion in the Donbass. and if there is such an interview, then it will be possible to draw conclusions about who is who
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    2. Iero
      Iero 11 July 2014 14: 19
      0
      See above comm. WRC video, there from 8:30 - Khodakovsky’s comment of July 10, 2014, incl. and disagreements.
  39. KUOLEMA
    KUOLEMA 11 July 2014 14: 14
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    1. "Field commander" Khodakovsky is an active member of the SBU (Donetsk "Alpha"), which has now become a de facto branch of the CIA, subordinate to US citizen Nalyvaichenko. For implementation, he portrayed going over to the side of the DPR and tried to subjugate the local counterintelligence (in fact, sabotaged its creation!) And led a battalion called "Vostok". 2. Since May (!!!) it has been said that he has been carrying out sabotage activities against Strelkov, preventing the sending of volunteers to Slavyansk and detaining people. Khodakovsky argued that no reinforcements were required in Slavyansk and lured them into his Vostok battalion. Then he was exposed as a man serving the local prince - the oligarch Akhmetov http: // zergulio.livejournal.com/1482066.html 3. Khodakovsky took part in the betrayal known as the storming of Donetsk airport on May 26. Then a lot of volunteers died, primarily because the Kamaz trucks carrying the wounded were destroyed.
  40. boomerang.
    boomerang. 11 July 2014 14: 40
    0
    Khodakovsky is a traitor. Investigation of El Murida about the tragedy at the Donetsk airport on May 26. http://news2.ru/story/414670/
    Instead of the easy capture promised by Khodakovsky, he led the detachment into a trap. Subsequently, the actual leadership of the units was carried out by group commanders, acting for some time at their discretion.
    The shooting of KAMAZ with militias.
    On vozde to Donetsk from the airport at that time were concentrated in an ambush the soldiers of the battalion "Vostok" in the amount of about 80 1 people from second-and 2-th battalion bases (established by the name of departments) and other parts of the militia. They received information that a breakthrough in Donetsk from the airport are the soldiers of the National Guard of Ukraine. An order was given to shoot to kill. Two KAMAZ-and with militias, leaving the airport were destroyed fighters battalion "Vostok" dense fire from small arms and grenade launchers. There was no Ukrainian special forces in an ambush, was the order to open fire on their same soldiers.
    The realization that they were betrayed and sent by the command in the person of Khodakovsky to the slaughter made them disperse throughout the city. Further more. Schumacher and Odessa (presumably spies) went out to several fighters who were on a visit to the outskirts of Donetsk.

    In the TV show "Shuster.Live", the journalist of the authoritative British publication "Sunday Times" Mark Franchetti spoke, so this head of the SBU with the call sign "Odessa" was a participant there, here the video is http://topwar.ru/52028-evropeyskiy-zhurnalist-rasskazyvaet -kievu-pravdu-ob-ato-n
    a-yugo-vostoke.html in the sixth minute the head of the SBU of Odessa says and he says that he is going to the front line.
    Who knows how and to whom please tell this information, maybe this is that traitor "Odessa"! And if he calls himself the head of the SBU, then he is a traitor
  41. Nina Zima
    Nina Zima 11 July 2014 14: 58
    +1
    11.07.2014/7/10 Losses of the junta for the period from July 2014 to July XNUMX, XNUMX

    For 10 July - (-) 120 (LC) + 4 (Muratovo) + 13 (PP Dolzhansky) + 13 (Chervona Zarya) + 32 (Slavyansk) = 182 banderlog (more: away from Kramatorsk airport - 3 BTX , 18 people killed, on the outskirts of Slavyansk - 2 tank T-XNUMx, 64 APU killed, 4 injured, Karlovka - chined 2 tank T-2; near the village of Chervona Zarya in the DPR exploded BTR-XNUMNXXX; near the village of Chervona Zarya in the DPR exploded BTR-XNUMNUMX, near the village of Chervona Zarya in the DPR exploded BTR-XNUMN MINN; BMP-64 - 80 APU died, 5 injured; Checkpoint Dolzhansky - 2 APU, 2 APU killed and 6 injured, shot down 7 BMU-5; 4 APU injured in the village of Stukalova Belya, n.Muratovo 1 2 also died Noi; LC - destroyed before 1 APU, ammunition, mortar 1, BMP, BTR 3 and staff car, a Karlovka - may 120 shot down the plane;. Village Red and Artiomovskiy - 1-3 APU killed and burned 1 APCs).

    For 9 July - (-) 135 (Gorlovka) + 57 (LNR) + 100 (Odessa) + 8 (DPR) = 300 banderlogov (more: LNR - neutralized the group of saboteurs consisting of 5 man and 2 gunners, destroyed 1 and BTR. truck, ukrov drug loss - about 3 APU; on the Black Sea coast near Odessa, "self-destructed" before 50 National Gad; 100 APU died and 3 injured in Donbass; Bezler - 4 Ps eliminated, about 35 injured).

    During 8 July - (-) 32 banderlogov (near the Metalworker - 2 APU, maneuver; 8 border guards injured; Kramatorsk airfield - 3 of the BTR was burned, 18 of the fascists was destroyed; Slavyansk (turn at the traffic police) - 2 of the T-XNNXX was destroyed;

    For 7 July - (-) 63 banderlog (captured by the LNR 1 zyg-rah-ra-25, TN-1 (or T-64) and the 72 X-ram rats), and the DPR in Donetsk and Anthracite seized by the 1-rats rat; and T-2-54; the Bezler group in Karlovka destroyed 34 units of armored vehicles - tank T-85, BTR, BRDM and BMP, destroyed around 4-Natsgadov.
    According to Strelkov, every day up to 500 people are recorded in the ranks of the militia. If it goes on like this, he will receive additional 8-10 thousands of fighters by the end of the month.

    in the photo battalion "Vostok"
  42. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 11 July 2014 17: 56
    +1
    The institute of commissars was canceled in the Great Patriotic War. Why? Anyone serving in the army knows that the main principle of the army is one-man management. Disobedience is a war crime (even if the commander is a dumbass, follow the order, and then protest against this order, unless, of course, you stay alive).
    Who is Khodakovsky? An SBU agent, a traitor or just a mediocre commander, even though a patriot? Poroshenko surprise offered to wait, remember? Or maybe we do not know the truth? At best, we use fragments of truth - we can draw false conclusions and let's wait a bit. With conclusions.
    With the arrival of Strelkov in Donetsk, the general struggle against the junta intensified. Both military and political. Strelkov said that he did not intend to engage in politics, but it seems that he will have to deal with it. Anarchy to disperse and resist the search of the junta. May God give him strength and health. Yes, and just luck. Human and military. And real comrades.
    PS Thanks to the site. I posted several articles about the Byzantine secrets of New Russia. Some misunderstandings were removed. Although, all the same, there is no clarity.
  43. ckala73
    ckala73 11 July 2014 18: 18
    0
    Kurginyan behaved like a bitchy woman screeching pah it was disgusting to look, I sensed that she was wired, I knew that they would not leave, but it was necessary.
  44. ckala73
    ckala73 11 July 2014 18: 21
    0
    Early power to share everything for victory and everyone needs every bayonet!
  45. ckala73
    ckala73 11 July 2014 18: 21
    0
    Early power to share everything for victory and everyone needs every bayonet!
  46. Frate
    Frate 11 July 2014 19: 59
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    Where are the 250 tanks that Gubarev talked about? Where is the support of millions, at the last rally there were 4-5 thousand people, 80% of which were people aged 50+? Where are the rest of his promises and statements fulfilled? Where are the tens of thousands of militias that Gubarev spoke about? Why did he introduce himself as an ordinary NOD at a press conference, and in the end say that he is the governor?
    Quote: Fevrrr
    Under the slogans of Gubarev, an uprising was born in Donetsk.

    Naive people still think that Gubarev started the uprising))) Who was he before the events? A simple director of the service company, Grandfather Morozov. And part-time Former Barkashovets. And today he suddenly became an anti-fascist.
    I wrote yesterday. I’ll write it again. Those who are familiar with the work system of the KGB, the FSB, the SBU, etc., can confirm. They are people who are professionals. One conversation with the person under investigation is enough to understand what he is like. He’s here they exchanged them for the captured SBU-shnik. Because they realized that being free from this person would be more useful than in the SBU pre-trial detention center.
    Quote: Fevrrr
    But to call him amateur balabol ... at least - no less balabol.

    And who to call him. I'm talking with facts based on his actions. Having captured Donog in early March, this Gubarev vacates the building the next day and takes the state treasury by storm and announces its closure. In the office, the deputy director of the treasury explains the consequences of this for two hours step. This "professional", as you want to present him here, was not even aware of the fact that the closure of the treasury means a complete financial paralysis of the region, that people will not have salaries, pensions, and payments. He did not even understand that the closure of the Kazan state will hit him first himself. The electorate is mostly pensioners.

    So we don’t need to draw a portrait of a certain Donbass Che Gary Vary here. This process has been going on for 4 months already, and people who have not yet lost their ability to analyze the situation have long understood what Santa Claus is like, MMM-schik-kompensnik pisulin and all this woe to the brotherhood.


    Sorry for the pun, Lonely, but you are not alone in your grades! I completely agree. I was going to comment on almost the same thing, but you were pleasantly ahead. There is no point in repeating, but I'm glad that there are like-minded people!
  47. Oleg Gor
    Oleg Gor 11 July 2014 21: 01
    0
    Strelkov and Borodai about the Vostok battalion and Khodakovsky. http://youtu.be/08KdvFpz-84?t=18m27s
  48. deadj
    deadj 11 July 2014 22: 03
    0
    Provocations, sabotage and espionage have always been in this kind of business. I would be more surprised that they are not there. DNR needs a serious tornado, I hope work is going on in this direction.
  49. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 12 July 2014 05: 20
    0
    Good Lufthansa drove first class in 2004. It can be seen pretty well I tuned with my American Express?

    Although EtiHad is much more convenient, who needs this stop in Germany?

    And how is sharpening 9, in the strained Maltese hands is believed? Just 9 karate.
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