The beating of a soldier by the commander of the 20634 military unit

I ask you to help protect my son Janov Igor Alexandrovich 06.02.1996, who is serving in the military unit 20634 in North Ossetia in Vladikavkaz, and now at the exercises in Volgograd (village Prudboy) from arbitrariness, bullying, humiliation, insult and beating by platoon commander Art. Lieutenant Geikin Andrei Konstantinovich. He, according to my son, from 03.06.2014 to 05.06.2014, periodically insulted him, beat and humiliated in front of his colleagues Maysuradze, Krasnonos, as well as the commander of the division Gorshkov V.V. and young lieutenants. Heykin forced my son to work during the day and at night, did not let him to the medical unit, he had terrible sores and fungus on his legs, his kidneys were beaten, his fingers were beaten (with shoes to work faster), the heels were beaten off (so that there were no bruises and he ran faster ), beat him on the head, neck, chest, body - what he wanted and how he wanted. Choked gas mask. Forced the platoon to run, push-ups and subjected to other harassment (allegedly through the fault of my son: that everyone hated him and brought him to suicide or humiliation and beating).

Finally, this man threatened to kill my son until Monday, 07.06.2014 - in the event that a platoon did not do it himself. When my son wanted to fight him back, he declared that if he raised his hand to him and hit him, he would put him on a debat.

I sent my son to defend the Motherland, and she entrusted him to the officers of the Russian Army. But I did not think that officers could make him a disabled person and humiliate his manhood.

There is no one to complain, since all this happened before the eyes of the top management - com. Division and with his connivance. Moreover, A.G. Geykin collected salary cards and codes for them from all the soldiers and gave 40% of the sum. The rest of the money was taken away, ostensibly for the needs of a platoon. How is this possible? What, it turns out, is RACKET IN LAW?

With all this, he provoked my son to leave his unit, as he was afraid for his life and health. After he came home (05.07.2014, traveled by ride), they started coming to me and com. of a platoon of Geykin with a soldier on a personal vehicle of the Opel Astra 06.07.2014, ask for forgiveness (and offered a bribe), then 07, 08.07.2014, com. div Gorshkov with an officer, a Tartar from Kazan, is a citizen, and also offered a transfer to another part and a bribe, but I refused. Because he knew: they will take him back and will mock him again.

I brought his 08.07.2014 to the military investigation department in Krasnodar (Industrialnaya St., 8). He was seconded at the flight school to the unit, but his commanders from North Ossetia are making every effort to take him to his unit. Since I learned from unofficial sources that there are no witnesses and there will not be, and everything will go under refusal so as not to spoil the honor of the part. Please understand and punish those responsible.

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[Vladimirets]

As practice shows, very often both parties are to blame in such cases.

[subbtin.725]

It is necessary to understand; if the facts are confirmed, punish severely. It happens under the breeze that blows ordinary mowers. The consequence will show, now the facts of concealment are minimized.

[Canep]

Quote: subbtin.725

It happens under this breeze blowing ordinary mowers

Self-propelled guns mowing under the victim of hazing are not difficult to identify. I think in this case the officers would not offer a rollback.

[avg]

Quote: Canep

I think in this case the officers would not offer a rollback.

So this is also according to the father. Why would a platoon lump come and offer a bribe together with a soldier, so that there would be a witness to the bribe? Why did the "com. Div. Gorshkov come with an officer, a Tatar from Kazan by birth?", Why not an Ossetian from Karmadon, or a Bashkir from Ufa. I doubt that com. division would encourage the platoon commander to mock the soldier. And the soldiers would have already confirmed about the salary cards.
I am writing this only to show that my doubts are no less true than yours. Therefore, it is not worth taking any side before the end of the investigation. And given that the 58th army is now, perhaps, under the closest control of the Moscow Region, it will not work to evade responsibility.

[g1v2]

Well, actually the commander doesn’t need a scandal and he could very well try to agree. For example, when I served as an urgent from our unit, they often fled and the commanders tried to catch the runners themselves, so as not to get a cradle for it. Sometimes they sent groups of soldiers who had been sitting with the runner for a week in an ambush. One sergeant was given a senior sergeant for tracking and catching a runner for a month. In this case, the runner was listed as a business traveler. In case of beating, this is solved simply by contacting the military prosecutor's office - no one is silent there. In my memory, two sergeants and a grandfather corporal were sent to the battalion for beating. Also, every Wednesday, doctors conducted a full examination of the medical team for bruises and damage, and if they were found, they reported to the battalion commander. There are, of course, irregular relationships and are usually encouraged by officers, since it’s hard to blame a soldier legally or bring an officer into a sense of a hardened conscript. But with us, sergeants usually decided such questions according to the charter — you write a summary, a lesson plan, and that’s all. 2 hours on the parade ground - here in terms of working out drill training with a lagging fighter, hard impact - here in terms of working out hand-to-hand combat techniques and sparring. Usually when threaded fighters appeared, they were given a choice - we live according to the charter or as usual. Most of them were elected according to the charter, and after a week they started saying yes to hell according to the charter, we are better than everyone.

[Deff]

The soldier went, I don’t think I was present at the negotiations. It is indicated only as a witness of arrival.

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[Alekseev]

Quote: subbtin.725

It is necessary to understand; if the facts are confirmed, punish severely.

That's it ...
It can be understood from the appeal that there are complaints, but "there are no witnesses and will not be."
What is strange, this cannot be.
Moreover, it is alleged that they came home and offered a bribe.
If this is the case, then such platoon commanders and, especially, divisions, should not be fired, but be sure to judge.
And if a soldier and his parent dragged too much (slandered), trying to mitigate the consequences of desertion, then judge them both too.

[Igool]

Having analyzed this available information, 70 percent suggests that with a qualified trial by interviewing a doctor and conducting expert examinations, it is possible to establish the presence or absence of guilt of the command staff, as well as Igor.
In favor of the latter, he said that after escaping from the duty station he did not take refuge, and after 3 days he surrendered to the investigative department to investigate what happened and continue to serve in another place.
At the expense of mutual guilt, then usually practice shows that the rank and file of the ordinary is not being fit for service. It is chosen, as if the weakest link, as it is not physically developed, weak-willed, morally unstable, etc. These people, according to the command staff, worsen the already not the best performance of the unit, which makes them guilty of all sins and leads to hazing on the part of the commanders, especially if this commander has previously practiced these methods of interaction on l / s

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[Canep]

As my practice shows, starlings can sit for seven years for a non-regular. When I served as an officer (95-97) about 10 officers were involved in our division, and how many soldiers I was not even interested in.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Canep

starley can sit for seven years for a non-regular.

It `s naturally.

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Canep

starley can sit for seven years for a non-regular.

It `s naturally.

Like good morning. You can not even go to a fortuneteller. And not only for the unofficial, it smacks of excess of official powers ...
He drove to the military investigation department in the city of Krasnodar - the course is correct. Like the fact that he turned to VO. And in the unit there will definitely be similar victims, I doubt that the guy is the only one.
By salary cards - you can easily check who you shot, when you took and how much you took, cameras in ATMs are not in vain, they can provide data and photos on request from VSK (I have no doubt that this is VTB).
And they’re unlikely to be returned to the part of the guy, this is 99% ...
PS A long time ago, nothing like this was found in the media or in the internet. God grant that this is an isolated case ...

[cougar7777]

Deep not single, do not advertise simply ..

[ultra]

You have data! Spread it.

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[Sunjar]

Quote: Canep

As my practice shows, starlings can sit for seven years for a non-regular. When I served as an officer (95-97) about 10 officers were involved in our division, and how many soldiers I was not even interested in.

And in our unit, the captain was given, if memory serves, for five years, for frank confession, although they tried to hide this incident, and because he has a baby. Even journalists came from Ren TV, but they were not allowed into the unit, although accreditation was received.

And before that, our officers (company) had swollen, and since one ensign all night on pendels literally, and the port ran away to complain to them, they came to punish us. It was November, we were taken out in the form of No. 4. The rank-and-file squad was laid up lying down, and the sergeants were brought out separately, and some began to tan slightly. One captain jammed all the acre of me and one Nogai. But my company, also older by the way, slammed into my ear from the back - I missed, I had to go higher and more casual. And in general, we often arranged a mahach with him. But there was fun.

So these officers were handed over to the military prosecutor’s office, and there was no hapless warrant officer who kicked him in the ass and even plywood.

So it’s quite possible that the guy was really heavily pressed, we were also sometimes gestured. Someone was planted, but someone was not.

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[Yapet100]

Quote: Vladimirets

As practice shows, very often both parties are to blame in such cases.

But practice shows me that there is a Charter that determines the order of relations between military personnel, incl. between commander and subordinate.
But in any case, in this case, a check must be carried out by the military prosecutor's office. Especially if there is bodily harm ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Yapet100

But practice shows me that there is a Charter that determines the order of relations between military personnel, incl. between commander and subordinate.

I didn’t write at all that the officer was right, and the soldier K. Ozel. No soldier behavior justifies him. Only a fighter can actually be not as white and fluffy as in the article.

[Cormorants]

I support, if you are normal and behave normally, adequately and do not mow, then a nickname will not be tricked into you or, moreover, mocked, most likely the kid is to blame, but he exaggerated a lot!

[theadenter]

Have you ever been to school? The weak there are only beaten for jambs and punctures?
Do you think this cannot be in the army? Come off at the extreme. It is unacceptable.

[k1995]

It is correctly said that the WEAK are beaten. He would take for example Valuev and mark the champion of the region in chess among juniors and that, after that, he would be declared a hero. (I have nothing against Valuev and this is not a run over to him, but just an example)

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[tolancop]

YES it happens to everyone ... Could a person first "stumble" and fall into the role of a constant victim. And hell you jump out of this role - and they will bale when they get down to business, and often just out of habit. But there are also those "characters".
At the time it served in our company "body" ... It was something. Once I got caught stealing .. It was in the order of things not to find cigarettes with matches in the morning. And this was not considered a theft. Surprising but true. The day officers did not pay attention to the sleeping colleagues who were rummaging through their clothes - they were looking for a smoke ... But the money disappeared only once and the "rat" was calculated at the moment ... The commissars gathered sergeants and old-timers and addressed the speech: "Guys, this bastard is not enough to kill. But there are a lot of flights on the company and it is in the political department under a microscope. Therefore, I PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH you ... ". And no one was going to touch him anyway, about all sorts of things ... but dirty hands (feet) ...
Different characters come in.

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[Rimlianin]

Have you ever served what to say? He served in 2001-2003. We have enough lack of instability. And at the expense of mocking only the kosyachniki, it's just a laugh. They scoff at everyone who cannot give back because of weakness, fear, and so on. And it’s unreasonable to shove the crowd at all. And we have enough to sing along, who wants to raise their authority at the expense of others. Are you one of those, if you allow yourself such statements?

[theadenter]

Maybe you're just lucky?

[Yapet100]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Yapet100

But practice shows me that there is a Charter that determines the order of relations between military personnel, incl. between commander and subordinate.

I didn’t write at all that the officer was right, and the soldier K. Ozel. No soldier behavior justifies him. Only a fighter can actually be not as white and fluffy as in the article.

It is possible that this is so ... But to those facts that are given in circulation (the arrival of officers, money ...) they say that the picture is basically as described. And whatever the personal qualities of a soldier, the types of punishment are determined by the Charter.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Yapet100

But to those facts that are given in circulation (the arrival of officers, money ...) they say that the picture is basically as described.

The fact of the matter is that "facts" are given only by one side. I repeat once again, I also do not know how things were, but it is possible that not everything is as it seems at first glance.

[Yapet100]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Yapet100

But to those facts that are given in circulation (the arrival of officers, money ...) they say that the picture is basically as described.

The fact of the matter is that "facts" are given only by one side. I repeat once again, I also do not know how things were, but it is possible that not everything is as it seems at first glance.

Let's just say that the other side has not yet tried to cite any of its facts. This letter in any scenario requires verification. Moreover, I have not seen similar publications for a long time .. more or less in order. Which is very pleasing.
At the moment, this story has entered the vastness of the Web, which means, I believe, the verification will be objective and vowel.

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[Roman1970]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Yapet100

But practice shows me that there is a Charter that determines the order of relations between military personnel, incl. between commander and subordinate.

I didn’t write at all that the officer was right, and the soldier K. Ozel. No soldier behavior justifies him. Only a fighter can actually be not as white and fluffy as in the article.

A fighter can actually be a trivial gouging, not wanting to do anything ... Maybe, but it may not be ... It is necessary to understand in each case, in any other way.

[ultra]

Quote: Roman1970

A fighter can actually be a trivial gouge who does not want to do anything

And what? This is a pretext for assault? Who authorized this kind of "commander" to do this?

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[k1995]

If this is the case with gouging, then you need to walk on all bomzhatnikov with a machine gun. In general, read the article on VO about Drischa

[figter]

There is no doubt that the reason for such an attitude towards the fighter is, first of all, the fighter himself. In our country, the Disciplinary Regulations of the RF Armed Forces provide for "most powerful" means of influencing the platoon commander on a soldier - a whole "reprimand", and then a "severe reprimand". It's like a dead poultice for the recruit. The law itself provokes the officer to use "non-traditional" methods to careless soldiers. It is clear that for the father, the son is gold, but the article, apart from "forced to work day and night" and "did not let him into the medical unit", does not explain anything more about the causes of the conflict. One thing is certain that the escaped soldier is a pampered creature with no idea of ​​personal hygiene, not adapted to work and life's difficulties. I would be ashamed, as a father, to write for all to see that I have such a son, that from childhood I did not teach him to wash his feet and brush his teeth, did not raise a man in him, did not teach him to stand up for himself. But, apparently, times are changing and it is an honor to have a neuter being instead of a son. And I sympathize with the platoon commander, because regardless of the degree of his guilt, he will be "extreme".

[R150]

I have a simple question for you, did you serve in the army?

[tolancop]

I would not be so unambiguously confident in the guilt of an ordinary. It happens EVERYTHING.
During my service in the mid-80s, a lieutenant, a platoon commander of a neighboring company, who had arrived from the school for a couple of months, knocked out a tooth and cut the lip of our sergeant demobilized. Only for the fact that the sergeant asked (maybe rude) to take his subordinates away from the territory where we were clearing snow. By the way, the leith turned out to be a clueless guy ... He was not a sickly guy, but he wouldn’t do it against a dozen strong guys who surrounded him .. When he realized that things smelled like "kerosene", he immediately ran upstairs to complain about the sergeant who had insulted him. The case was hushed up ...

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[wanderer_032]

Quote: figter

the means of influencing the platoon commander on the soldier - a whole "reprimand", and then - a "severe reprimand"

But what about the good old outfit?
And pumping FIZO in a sports camp or enhanced training on an obstacle course?
And working out drill exercises on the parade ground?
And running training with a thing-bag filled with sand?
And running training in the OZK?

If the officer is sensible, and not a lawless one, then he will always find council for a negligent soldier.
And he has hundreds of legal methods.

[figter]

Everything that you have listed just refers to the "unconventional" methods of exposure, which I had in mind in the comments. Read carefully. And they are unconventional because they are not provided for by law - the DU of the RF Armed Forces. This is not to say that they are illegal, just "unconventional". However, judging by the article, such methods were also worked out by the platoon officers.

[Victor Demchenko]

I agree to all 100%

[Victor Demchenko]

I DON'T FEEL FOR him! he commanded a platoon-company himself, started as a zamkomvzoda, there were all sorts of soldiers, BUT! never allowed himself to offend a person! By the way, about the girls: why did you decide that the platoon commander was given the right to clean the kid's face (and this is so, because in the same situation, "Dad" gave a propizdon to my company commander for a less serious offense). And also: I don't know how now, but in my time in the Airborne Forces, grandfathers got better than the young. there was a principle: credit for the last one, and for this we HADED the boys, but we did not scoff, and EVERYONE understood that this was for the good of the cause. And by the way, another remark: then the boys, coming to the line, had a training behind their shoulders, they could do something, had a correct outlook on life, but now there are people who can't even put on socks correctly ... so c = what should be taught , and mockery will not achieve this. Something like this.

[ultra]

Quote: Vladimirets

not as white and fluffy as in the article.

It is likely that it is, only this is not a reason to break the law.

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[tolancop]

In the charters a lot of things are written .... Only here you can’t put life into any instruction.
The fact that the father took his son to the Investigation Department is the right move, otherwise the deadline for desertion shines.
A brigade of inspectors will surely come to the unit and the commander and his comrades, I believe, are currently "washing their tails" with might and main, so that some byaka does not get out. And with the personnel, active work is probably underway so that someone does not blur out something. And then everything depends on the desire of the "diggers" ...

[k1995]

Silt diggers, and parents each child is unique.

[I doubt it]

Charter is good.
And in life it happens like this: there is a platoon. Before him is a newly-made letekha. He doesn't really know anything yet. What it requires from subordinates. And the most "authoritative" of them: "You need to, you do ...... cho fuck-Xia ?!".
What according to the charter. Reprimand declare? Or maybe a strict reprimand right away? The whole platoon will laugh. And in a day the whole part will meet such a boss with a smile.

This is also from practice.

Show me at least one platoon, company, battalion commander who always acted according to the charter.

Not serving in the Armed Forces, nachfinov, beg. combat units, secretaries and others, as well as platoons from military schools, please do not disturb ....

[Mitek]

Quote: Vladimirets

As practice shows, very often both parties are to blame in such cases.

In vain minus Vladimirtsa. It is necessary to understand. We, too, have been harassed by all sorts of cunning ass. What a sin to conceal and it fell to me)) And not in vain. But if everything that my mother writes is true, I’ll fly to court, the battalion commander minus the title.

[Hleb]

Dad writes in general, which is even more surprising

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: Gleb

Dad writes in general, which is even more surprising

I would have arranged a "little genocide" for the command of the unit for my own people if I had found out like that.
Time will tell. The elder in two years in the ranks, let's see.

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[k1995]

Damn well, you can close the asshole, but if the injuries that are indicated in the article are true, then this is not education.

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[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Vladimirets

As practice shows, very often both parties are to blame in such cases.

An officer has the right to use force against a soldier, only during the b / d, in order to force a subordinate to execute an order, any other use of force is unacceptable. The command staff has enough rights to punish a soldier, such as a military prison, fines, deprivation of leave, etc.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

An officer has the right to use force against a soldier, only during the b / d, in order to force a subordinate to execute an order, any other use of force is unacceptable

You know, I had such a case. I just got into training, served for two months and ended up with a spine in the outfit, there was this kind of "patrol" outfit, it was introduced in case of strengthening due to some not very good events in the country, and when I served such events there were a dime a dozen. Two fighters defile along the fence of the unit at night. And what does the green fighter need? Devour and sleep. My friend and I walked along the fence, but decided to sit, which, of course, is strictly prohibited. And the southern night is beautiful, the cicadas are singing, a light breeze from the sea, well, they passed out, of course. I woke up from a savory "bream", in front of me there was a guard on duty, the first thing he said: "That's because of such mu ... whole units are being cut out." I memorized these words very firmly and there was no offense.

[Victor Demchenko]

received for the job!

[tolancop]

Do not tell my gray hair ... hair. With sufficient command rights. I have served 30 years already, but even then the commander’s rights to real punishment were largely declarative. I will not venture to judge all the aircraft, but in my part it was like this:
1. A reprimand is an empty chatter.
2. Out-of-turn outfit - it was a kind of vacation for the Salabon, since they were already "plowed" from morning to night.
3. Deprivation of vacation - vacation was relied only as an incentive. The number of vacations was limited. For a company of 40 people - two vacations in half a year. If someone managed to take a vacation by calling a "sick mother", then the vacation limit still did not increase.
4. Dismissal to the city - and we were simply not allowed to go to them and that’s all !!! And they did it right, by the way ...
5. Arrest with detention on guardhouse is a rare case, because in order for the commandant of the guardhouse to ACCEPT a finesman, a couple of liters of alcohol was required to be applied to the finesman.
6. Fine. In my time, this was not provided for in the disciplinary charter. There is nothing to take from a BEGGAR soldier.
7. The prison. It was ... But it was extremely rare, when neither hushing up nor hiding a serious crime was IMPOSSIBLE (corpse, deserter, etc.). And any proceedings involving prosecutors, etc. the commander of the unit as an awl at the fifth point. Does he need it?

The scuffle is unacceptable, but there were specific problems with the commander’s rights regarding the punishment of negligent subordinates. Probably stayed.

[k1995]

What a practice, a conscript soldier for the necessary self-defense is a disbat, and this hero will have no shniks (probably someone else’s son). In 1995, in the 1st regiment of the Taman Division, I saw how an officer from the service beat an conscript - a veteran of the 1 Chechen who served with us after being wounded. The officers delayed this monster, but they hushed up the matter.

[Yapet100]

Quote: k1995

What a practice, a conscript soldier for the necessary self-defense is a disbat, and this hero will have no shniks (probably someone else’s son). In 1995, in the 1st regiment of the Taman Division, I saw how an officer from the service beat an conscript - a veteran of the 1 Chechen who served with us after being wounded. The officers delayed this monster, but they hushed up the matter.

Unfortunately, the presence of commander stars does not always indicate the presence of intelligence.
During my urgent mess in the unit was not

[gfnhbjnrf]

What does both sides mean? Are they homies or are married?

[ultra]

Nonsense! This is not a reason to commit a criminal offense. Even as an officer! Such people must be driven out of the army and judged! And so is everyone who covers such acts! This is a shame on the Russian Army!

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read all comments. How did you quickly find the culprit, the question here is different: why did the Yans go unpunished?

[Giant thought]

It was also necessary to turn to the district military prosecutor’s office, they would have figured out, the prosecutor’s office on the drum, all such art. lieutenants, if the facts were confirmed, one would not be jealous of Geikin.

[Max_Bauder]

We somehow have one soldier from insult 12 people put out of Kalash, where they slept, though they put him. It’s not worth bringing some people.

[Sirocco]

Have you tried to contact the Military Prosecutor’s Office? It seems to me that you first need to write there, and then to other authorities. With such things as you described, it is now very strict in the RF Armed Forces. In bold, I was alerted. You are definitely not addressing.

com began to come to me. platoon geikin with a soldier on a personal Opel Astra car 06.07.2014/07/08.07.2014, ask for forgiveness (and offered a bribe), then XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX com. div Gorshkov with an officer, Kazan Tatar from by civilian, and also offered a transfer to another part and a bribe, but I refused.

Something personal.

[maximus235]

I agree. There is a relative, an inquirer in the military prosecutor’s office, they are untwisted, and they give the time at a time!

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: maximus235

I agree. There is a relative, an inquirer in the military prosecutor’s office, they are untwisted, and they give the time at a time!

Yes, don’t feed bread here, comrades love to do such things. Moreover, there is some lull in this plan now.

[rune]

No, here it is necessary thoroughly. When the urgent passed it more than once they came across such "rcom". We need to understand this situation.

[sso-xnumx]

As a rule, when the investigator of the prosecutor’s office begins to talk with the personnel, the negativity goes like Niagara Falls.
I do not justify (at the moment) any of the characters in the article. An objective investigation and punishment of those responsible is needed.

[Iero]

"I collected salary cards and codes from all the soldiers and gave them 40% of the amount. I took the rest of the money for myself, supposedly for the needs of the platoon," I heard similar stories from two servicemen from different units (one was a contract soldier). This seems to be a common practice. For such commanders, the fighters will not go on the attack.

[Rock2]

I agree. In one of the units near Novosibirsk in the Siberian Military District (I will not name the number, the locals will guess themselves), now the Central Military District, it was a widespread practice, even officers (mostly young) unfastened from 10% to 50% of the bonuses laid down by the RF Ministry of Defense No. 400, then No. 1010 (now I don't know if there is such a thing or not, then it certainly was). Part of the money, under a plausible pretext, went to the command of the unit, etc. (the amounts were not meager). And what the young officers had to do - they "loaded on the grandmother" conscripts, and they did not complain, because they knew that the high command covered everything (they had ties with the military command of the garrison). It was easier for a soldier to endure one year even for demobilization than to bother with VP. Well, the officers have nowhere to go, they are people of servitude. They were mostly morally pressured ... Then everyone endured, did not complain, but now I don't know how it is ... I think that nothing has changed

[annodomene]

That eccentric with the letter "we" that came up with the pr. 400 must be strangled in the most cruel way ...

[saigon]

So this is not Ahvitser and scum to see in the 17th year, not for nothing that many soldiers shot

[kit-kat]

Judging by the name of the lieutenant, he got to the school, so he takes out his anger on a defenseless subordinate. .

[pirania love]

read all comments! and the officer given this contract in Chechnya once served as a scout and is already 36 years old, and he didn’t get to school because of his surname

[viktor52]

as practice shows, soldiers who cannot protect their wages will never protect their country, and officers there are potential traitors to their place in the zone.

[komrad.klim]

Slug did not think of deciding everything on the spot.
Yes, and the article gives a provocation.
At the son’s call, parents could safely come to his unit with a lawyer.

[i80186]

Not with a lawyer, with a military prosecutor for example. And now he is 337 shining, and only one possible otmaz - unregulated.

[annodomene]

Rather - 286, part 3, paragraph a

[Balamyt]

I served 79-81 years in the KDVO, Khabarovsk 47. It never occurred to us then that the army could have "parental days" and other muddiness. There was also hazing in our country. But we became men after that service. What now??? There is no sense from such soldiers and there will not be, as long as they cannot stand up for themselves, and while mom and dad are wiping their snot, but they will wind up footcloths!
This is solely my opinion. Minus, and better object in writing!

[marina1811]

I understand your opinion. But after the collapse of the USSR, especially in the criminal and impoverished 90s, all the problems of hazing increased tenfold. One God knows how many broken fates and ruined lives ... In the early 2000s, there was still all this, almost every month the news was like someone had fled from the military unit, hanged himself, shot or shot himself. It was believed that it was better to serve time in prison than to serve according to the degree of cruelty and defenselessness. Now more or less settled down. There is a parent committee (as it is called). It hurts to know that it still exists. Yes, they may have missed something in their upbringing, did not instill self-confidence, or fell in love, hardened, but everything should be within reason. Breaking the psyche of a person is to ruin his fate, and it is possible to make a maniac out of him. Still, there should be psychologists in the military enlistment offices, and those boys who do not know how to stand up for themselves should be sent to adequate officers. And in general to the officer for such a shame! Here pravosekov accuse of cruelty and genocide, but what is the above if not genocide? albeit individual, so to speak. And shame is a military unit, and a spot on the entire army. In general, of course you need to figure it out, but the punishment must be inevitable.

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[zol1]

In the first real battle, such "commanders" will get a hole in the shard!

[brelok]

Quote: Vladimirets

As practice shows, very often both parties are to blame in such cases.

How familiar everything is! The Krasnodar military prosecutor’s office is still that office! I know from my own experience! My brother was sold from part of 3307 centuries in December 1996. We were informed only in April 1997. On May 2, I was in this institution: do you know what they told me? What if you yourself find him nothing will happen. And if not then ... To my question why the case has not yet been filed for the battalion commander and comrades in which my brother served to hide the fact of the absence of a soldier, they quietly said that the honor of the uniform is above all! Like this! Honestly, I freaked out: they called a patrol and brought it under white arms, warning that if you become a terrorist yourself, it’s not official that the soldiers realized that there was a whole trading business there. Not even the official price list. his brother changed two foreign cars in two months. How did the officers live in those years, you yourself know! At that time, the regiment was absent for a similar reason26 !? SOLDIER. Sorry for a little off topic.

[k1995]

Very much in the subject.

[Mature Hrych]

On the account of bank cards, the alignment is simple, since they are issued to conscripts immediately and they are not tied to a mobile phone. It is enough to know the card number to put money on the phones of the game and make other payments. The Ministry of Defense is now just an influx of such crimes. In our unit, he has already been dismissed and criminal cases have been initiated against the chief of staff of the brigade (the case most likely will not go further but will no longer serve) and against the sergeant who threw 20 thousand on the "Tanks". The sergeant has already been convicted. So you can push off from the theft of funds and he will never serve in the army.

[vitaz]

why didn’t he write for what he was beating (anything can happen, maybe the son should have taught life)

[zheka]

Go to the military prosecutor's office and as quickly as possible!

[viktor52]

I served 1971-1973, once a week, nobody knew when the commander arrived in the morning to raise a battalion in sneakers and underpants and went inspecting anyone who had injuries on his body and immediately sent 4 people to a special department for 4 months to call their parents and the court in part and this ended hazing.

[Draz]

Physical examination, we have every day before the rebound took place

[k1995]

We also had this, the company was doing this, but the conflict did not go beyond the company. But on the floor above in another company of our battalion every evening there was a queue of young soldiers in the kapter, old servants sat in the kapter and tried to pretend to be karate. And all this took place with the permission of their company

[azbukin77]

Yes, to the front lines in Rostov of such commanders, and the commander Gorshkov there, to demolish the thieves' bitches that would be another lesson! they are completely stupefied by vodka already !!!!

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[Lom_71]

Where is the evidence? A certificate from the institution’s honey confirming the beatings, recording of negotiations, etc.

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[vvsz031249]

Quote: Vladimirets

As practice shows, very often both parties are to blame in such cases.

Maybe both sides. But this does not give the right to mock, insult, humiliate a subordinate. These officers cannot be commanders. They will not go into battle with their unit, they will be frightened ... If this takes place, the unit is not operational. Commanders need not only be punished, but driven out of the army by a filthy broom. They are discrediting the Army!

[erased]

And where is the valiant military police? States scored, grandmas swelled, created an advertisement - and sho? Where are the tribunals and the new moral character of the Rassian Army? Or is it all zilch? Tady army in the Russian Federation no. Despite tanks, planes, ships and new technologies, there is no army.
A tricky question - will a soldier like that fight a fair fight? But will such an officer lay his life for his homeland? If you answered “no” twice, then take a pie from the shelf.

[Dwarfik]

Here I read the comments and am surprised at the words like he is a slug, a runner with a part etc. etc. For all such cases, there are wonderful eternal words: I would be glad to serve - it is sickening to serve! So this "officer" did not demand service from a soldier, but using his asterisks and rank humiliated a person! What was the kid supposed to do? Give the old man on the horns? and sit on the lip for a month or a disbat? My opinion is this: the starley lost the coast and behaved not like a platoon commander, but like from a gateway and such commanders in battle would be the first to shoot their own!

[Victor Demchenko]

it is unlikely that it will come to a fight, they can "slap" on the march ...

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[Mahmut]

It is strange that officers began to engage in hazing. Usually sergeants from old-timers were fond of this dirty work. Junior officers pretended not to notice, but their hands did not get dirty. Senior officers tried to fight, but to no avail. But that was in the SA. But what makes the current officers to be substituted for criminal punishment is not clear. It seems that the sergeant school in the Russian army has finally bent.

[umah]

Very strange! Now for one conscript 3 reviewers. Why does father write in the media and not the prosecutor?

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[naguch]

Got to blame myself
If they do lawlessness go to the prosecutor
Everything just doesn’t have to be brought to this, and then put pressure on pity

[Canister shot]

and do you know a lot of terms that you could get to the prosecutor’s office on your own?
a similar way of thinking gives you one of those animals that create such chaos and create

[Russian Uzbek]

I don’t know ... why did I go to the army? And did my mother’s apron forget at home? I myself served in the army for 5 years and I know for sure: without assault in any way! the most effective means ... it is in any army on Earth, without it the army will not be an army!

[Lyubimov]

It’s one thing to mutate, another thing is when it is sadistic bullying against a background of personal hostility or something else. There is a military prosecutor’s office, they’ll figure it out, he wrote to the press in a campaign so that the letter would not go without trial. If things are as written in the letter, then the actions are absolutely correct. If not, except for the troubles, the soldier will not achieve anything.
Losing health in the army or anywhere, because of some idiot, no matter how it is needed.

[Canister shot]

it’s one thing to give a kick or a denture for the joint, another methodically and purposefully poison a person.
maybe not everything is true here, but there are no such facts and it is pointless to deny them.

[sever.56]

Whatever the bad soldier, no one gave the right to mock him. According to the charter, there are many opportunities to influence and educate. It is necessary to understand whether this is true. If true, judge the sadist.

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[Vladimir1960]

Do you think this officer is a sadist? He probably scoffs at his own whim? No, he understands restoring order in the unit. So in this military unit there is no other way. I do not justify it. You don’t have to put this in jail, I’m still young. Brains can still be set for him. But the command should be given a hat. Everything from the general mess in part, stupidity and idleness.

[Canister shot]

Well, maybe not in jail, but there is no point in keeping such people in the service, and even dangerous. a humpbacked grave will fix it - if he has a penchant for "putting things in order" by such methods, he will continue further.

[Pollang]

I think that certainly the guilt of the senior staff, the prosecutors will figure it out and the platoon from the army to get, it was not enough to return from the army with disabilities in peacetime.

[xirurg.net]

Alexander Borisovich all this must be written to the prosecutor's office and the military prosecutor's office for the North Ossetia-Alania, and do not drop snot. If all this is true of this com. the platoon, together with the higher leadership, will be gutted like puppies, everyone will be pleased.

[akmoa781]

The cry for help and protection, the soldier’s father is well understood to me, and I share his concern.
But let me ask, where are the military police created by the Ministry of Defense specifically to deal with such incidents, and where are the military prosecutor’s offices, and finally where and where is the military counterintelligence looking, because such incidents significantly undermine the combat effectiveness of units and units of the RF Armed Forces .

[wanderer_032]

Quote: akmoa781

where does military counterintelligence look

It is not the duty of counterintelligence to monitor discipline in military units.
Their duty is to identify the intelligence activities of other countries in the controlled territory.
And for the discipline in the part is responsible for the com.part.

[Vladimir1960]

Dad excuses his son from the article for unauthorized abandonment of a part. It would be better if he came to the unit in due time, but "talked" with this "officer", and for one thing with his son. Would you ask your son "Where is your pride and self-respect, son?"

[Canister shot]

If the truth is described, then this is certainly chaos, which should be severely punished. Moreover, UD must be excited not only at Art. Leia, but the whole gop company, starting with the unit commander.
I myself served in Vladikavkaz in 2004-2006 and I can say that there were similar situations in my unit. the truth did not reach such a degree of cruelty, but the use of physical force against soldiers by officers was the norm.
I don’t know how things are now, I hope it gets better.
The biggest problem of the army in the event of such situations, IMHO, is an attempt to solve everything behind the scenes and not to make dirty linen in public.

[Nikonor]

Compared to those years, the situation in the soldier’s environment has changed dramatically. I served in Vladikavkaz in both your period and the present. From the soldiers of this particular part I heard the following: "We arrived at the boarding house, and we are also paid money for it". Now the salary of soldiers of military service in this unit is 12-16 thousand rubles, they live in cockpits for 4-6 people.

[VNP1958PVN]

The strange thing about this story is that all the problems opened after desertion. And before that, everything was fine, until 07.06.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX?

[Pollang]

When a similar situation served, it wasn’t the soldier’s skill, it was the officer’s fault, he couldn’t teach, does the battery commander really don’t see and don’t know what his soldiers would be suitable for, would have been transferred to another unit like remotes or RMOs, as a projection engineer and many options, but nobody should make a cripple from a guy. I’m far from thinking that the soldier is so greyhound that he scores for service. Let the prosecutor’s documents understand.

[Earnest]

Quote: Yapet100

It is possible that this is so ... But to those facts that are given in circulation (the arrival of officers, money ...) they say that the picture is basically as described. And whatever the personal qualities of a soldier, the types of punishment are determined by the Charter.

Unfortunately, such an option is very likely: the higher-ranking chief summoned that lieutenant and gave the command to take a vacation at his own expense, go to his parents and close the topic for any grandmother, as if nothing had happened, otherwise all the punishment is heavenly. This option is supported by the trip of Letyokha and his commander, as well as the involvement of a conscript soldier in the departure (he was definitely brought as a witness of the shoals of an "innocent" fight, to explain the true picture to the parents). Dad's address in the media shows the absence of filmed beatings and witnesses. The story about “there will be no witnesses” is a tried and true method, but it doesn’t work, because the prosecutor’s office immediately takes all the fighters named in the case under the pressure and caps, in addition, it is looking for a source of information among the ALREADY dismissed who will tell about “who is where how when how many times, and the foreman did the same to the cook! " During his service, he twice got into such a situation with deserters, one was imprisoned, the second was discharged as an idiot, twice he buried suicides who did not dare to desertion. In all cases, I experienced the entire press of the prosecutor's office and the counterintelligence department (the troops are like that) according to the scenario "he has his feet, and he is home (s)", but every time I do it, and I still became a lieutenant colonel by 30. Situations are different, but judging by the information, the fighter smells bad. IMHO.

[Pacifist]

Definitely the road to the Military Prosecutor's Office and the usual one. Military on the issue of beating and bullying + extortion from the use of one's official position, usual for attempting to put pressure on relatives in order to conceal the fact.
There are no options.

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[made13]

The absence of a system of control over command personnel in the army is evident. I propose to introduce the institute of commissars who will perform the functions of "overseers" with obligatory rotation at least once every 1 years.

[Pushkar]

And for the commissioners there is one more supervising "body", and so on ...

[Earnest]

He served from 1991 to 2009, retired from the regimental headquarters.

Quote: Aaron Zawi

An officer has the right to use force against a soldier, only during the b / d, in order to force a subordinate to execute an order, any other use of force is unacceptable ...

Quote: Vladimirets

You know, I had such a case. ... I woke up from a savory "bream" ... and there was no offense.

I saw and went through all the listed options. There were situations when soldiers, warrant officers, and officers had to be hit on the head, BUT !! Only when, in accordance with the law and on the basis of the Charter, he could or should have been either imprisoned or shot on the spot. Example: 2001, while on guard, a sergeant thrashed 0,5 (!!) moonshine, fell into a rampage, seeing the arrival of the chief of the security shift, loaded a machine gun and tried to "repel the attack." He was disarmed, beaten until he lost consciousness, tied up, locked in a cold basement for a day, brought to his senses, re-educated and for the remaining six months served as a scarecrow for young people. Father (technical director of a large enterprise in Ufa, reserve officer, special forces soldier, disabled by injury after Afgan) AFTER his dismissal, he made repairs in the barracks and bought all the "Leninist" ones on TV. The soldier demobilized and for five years congratulated him on all the holidays, but he had to die from my bullet. I live in Orenburg, so once every couple of years I meet my former fighters somewhere in the market, and I’m not ashamed to look in the eyes, although they admit that during the years of service they feared me more than the foremen. Because as a foreman I’m a couple of times the same, this and that reeducated.

[Nikonor]

The whole article is in great doubt.
1) The title of the article indicates that the fighter was allegedly beaten by the commander of military unit 20634. The commander of the indicated unit is Major General Kisel (and not Art. Geykin). This is at least a slander against an official.
2) The article is illustrated with a photo taken before 2011, and what is relevant to current events is unknown.
3) If from 03.06.14/05.06.14/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, i.e. within three days, the soldier was "beaten off his kidneys, his fingers were beaten off" and so on, as his father says, why did he not seek help from the medical unit, the political officer, the staff interrogator, the special officer, or another unit in the end? Or in part one division?
4) If such arbitrariness occurs in a platoon (beating, racket), where are the statements or testimonies from other fighters? Or are they doing well?

[JonnyT]

generally need to figure it out! Maybe this Geikin is a sadist with a full set of complexes and problems, or maybe the useless soldier is stupid, a snitch, a slap, an angry violator of discipline and a raider. The officers also have not eternal nerves. There are individuals who understand only physical impact

[Makarov]

It has always been and will be ... it's an army

[argon]

The traces of the beatings on the body cannot be hidden. They will testify in any emergency room. The fact of withdrawal of cards is also easy to calculate. Now it is important how the investigators from the military prosecutor's office "will work". If they turn out to be decent officers and figure out what kind of fruit this fighter is, it’s not a gift either. Well, and accordingly with the platoon and division commander.

[Alexandr 2]

In this case, the conclusion can be made as follows:
the officer does not know how to properly force the soldiers to serve.
How zadolbali bespredelshiki.
Condolences to the mother of a soldier.

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[AID.S]

Dad did not name the reasons for the rottenness of the soldier's elder, while at the same time accused in detail of bullying, beatings, RACKET, an attempt to bribe all direct commanders, up to the commander of the military unit. poor living conditions at the field exercises. Since the bank card was successfully withdrawn earlier, then most likely, in my opinion, the soldier, I do not know for what reasons, did not fulfill his duties (group punishment of the platoon and night outfits indicate this). service, I can assume that the guy is either a very correct, honest, proud idealist (which is not very hard to believe), or a brake (often successfully treated with kicks in the first period of service), or sick (here everyone is to blame), or rotten (not treated) There is not enough portrait for objective judgment, but 23.02 is not his day.

[wanderer_032]

The military prosecutor’s office or the Investigative Committee should be dealt with in any case.
Everything should be within the law.
If everything that this person writes about this lieutenant is confirmed during the investigation, he will definitely be awaited by the court and criminal punishment.
We need a statement from a soldier to the military prosecutor’s office or from his parents (on conducting a prosecutor’s audit, according to reports from his son, it is desirable to provide letters, SMS, printouts of calls and other messages that can be documented).
If there are witnesses willing to testify in court, very good.
In addition, the article says that this lieutenant took the paid cards from the fellow soldiers of this soldier, so if they also write statements and give official testimony against him, then he definitely will not get out. Because as any commander, in part, such officers are not needed and no one will cover him at the risk of their shoulder straps.
But this is if this is indeed the case.
And for giving false testimony (false denunciation) and slander, there is also a criminal punishment according to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

[wanderer_032]

PS if an appeal to the military prosecutor’s office at the place of deployment doesn’t give you, and you firmly know that all these crimes by the commander of your son really exist, then contact the higher authorities.
Until a normal investigation is carried out and the perpetrators suffer the deserved punishment.
But this is a long and difficult way, to get it to the end you need to be prepared to spend a lot of time on it, uneven, and possibly incur serious financial costs (for a lawyer and expertise).
But the lawless people in the army must be fought; they have no place there.

[Appius]

The case is complex and judging by the media quite often this happens. Whatever the reasons, this is not a reason to scoff at a soldier who can’t fight back the slammed officer. The army has charters including and disciplinary. We must live according to the Charter, and not scoff at the soldiers.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Appius

We must live according to the Charter

But always remember that the Charter is not a DOGMA, but a guide to action.

[Igool]

The charter is not a dogma, but each of his articles is written in the blood of previous military personnel. They are not taken from the ceiling, but are obtained by analyzing failures, mistakes and sacrifices. The charters, just as a living organism develops, improves, so that from now on there will not be those victims that can be avoided by acting in accordance with the Charter

[mastodon]

The article is provocative.

[pahom54]

It seems to me that in vain we are arguing and wondering, for the simple reason that even among the officers even in Soviet times there were sadists, but, even more unfortunately, among the soldiers there were gouging-nonsense ...
In this case, each has its own truth - one from the side of the officer and his commander, the other from the side of the soldier and his parents. Let the military prosecutor establish this guilt.
but for information I’ll tell a story ...
One day I come to my parents on vacation at the end of the 70s, and the deceased, then well-functioning father (he was a mathematics teacher in high school) asks the question: why do the guys leave the army normal, and you (that is, the army) return them drunkards and parasites ??? (Note, this was already under the Soviet regime these problems). To which I replied: the army is not a forced labor colony, people should go there to serve the Fatherland, and not serve time, and it is not our fault that society (in this case, school and parents) delivers freaks. It’s just that in the civilian world their ugliness was imperceptible, but in the army everything was in sight, and if a person — then both the commander and his colleagues would spread rot. In this case, we are not talking about physical weakness, but spiritual ugliness.
So we don’t know how it was and what was there, but it seems to me that even though they each have their own truth, BUT! both the officer and the soldier are guilty, we just don’t know what it is.
And do not shout now: the officer is a bastard! No, the soldier is a bastard!
Let the military prosecutor understand. The times when it was possible to commit atrocities like this have already passed.

[Bazilevs]

I had a similar situation with a couple of sergeants and an officer, I officially summoned them to battle and, at all, fucked me in the Lenin room, after that they even looked in my direction, since my mother gave me to the kyokushin karate section to the army, unfortunately, cases take place in the army ...

[vsdvs]

"Forced the platoon to run, do push-ups and subjected to other bullying" One phrase is enough to understand which soldier ran home. In the SA, this was called physical fitness. I had such a bag of shit in my carriage. We felt sorry for him at first, and at first he simulated an attack of appendicitis, then, frightened by the operation, he said that he had been beaten. The prosecutor's office got busy, he piled up about all the horror films, but the doctors doubted, did not find any traces of beatings on this "aunt", so he began to water them too. It was this that saved our company, it became clear what got to us and the proceedings were stopped. And then the regiment commander threatened to jail the whole company.

[santush]

Write a letter to the President of the Russian Federation! I think that the military prosecutor’s office will turn this military unit inside out and witnesses will immediately appear ... Good luck to you, and good health to your son!

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[Rimlianin]

I served in the military and never saw bad soldiers. I saw a lot of bad officers and sergeants. A smart officer and sergeant will turn even the “brakes” into a good soldier if he shows him that he, too, is worth something and is needed. But more often than not, officers piss or, simply because of their rotten souls, join in the persecution of boys who made a mistake somewhere or did not understand something.

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[aksai61]

I won’t take any side... Because it’s murky... But the father and son could have sent him and his son straight to the Military Prosecutor’s Office and written statements there... In our unit, the prosecutor’s office was so crazy for the slightest violations that mom don’t worry... And in such a case, a young lieutenant (or even a major) from the prosecutor’s office will grab a death grip :)))) At least they would transfer their son to another unit, proven and well-educated :))) But they shouldn’t be afraid of officers who exceed their authority... Exercises...And something can happen to him too..:))
PS: This is my personal opinion!!! In general, you need to understand carefully! Who, whom, where, for what and for what!!!

[smersh 34]

Quote: santush

Write a letter to the President of the Russian Federation!

And the letter will be read by the responsible person, who will transmit the signal to lower authorities, and so on down the chain. The check will arrive, and everything will be quiet and smooth.
Why is there so much negativity against the soldier and his father? You really don’t know the details, but you immediately begin to judge them. Why should our children survive in the army? Why do they freeze in barracks and tents, why is the food inedible, and why are the portions sometimes just childish? During our service, we bought uniforms, combat boots, belts (those given at the draft began to fall apart on the 3rd day), etc. at your own expense. As well as sockets, taps for sinks, stoves for the tent. Drivers and oil, antifreeze, etc. they buy for cars. This is in addition to monthly fees for the needs of the company. Redeployment to another unit is also at the expense of the soldier. Does he need it? As a result, those who bought a military ID at the same time spent much less money. This is all the modern RUSSIAN ARMY. This includes Vladikavkaz! And military unit No. 20634 is in good standing. And in Sputnik there are barracks with good living conditions. There is good military training there. And there are many good commanders. It's a pity that not all.
They asked the mothers of soldiers from other units why they didn’t complain, and the answer was the same - the boys only get worse later. So they endure. I can write a lot about modern service, but you won’t believe it! You will say that the soldier is a whiner and a mama's boy.
NO!!! Our children are real men! They serve and say: “Everything is fine.” Is this normal?

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[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Vladimirets

As practice shows, very often in such cases both parties are to blame

as practice shows, a commander who takes a penny from a soldier is left with his back uncovered...

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[Andrey92]

Every family has its black sheep, as they say. Officers, ensigns, contract soldiers are different. Some are ready to cover a grenade with their body, while others are not friendly with their heads, showing unhealthy sadistic tendencies. It’s one thing when they pump you up for your jambs, this is normal, and sometimes even useful. It’s another matter when a crowd of drunken, stoned jackals call one at a time into the dryer and beat them until they lose consciousness...

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[Azovian]

ONLY officers are guilty of hazing. Their fear of the possibility of not getting another promotion, as well as a salary to the stars for shoulder straps, pushes them to cover up crimes in the SA, and now in the Russian army. The army is a school of courage. An officer is obliged to educate a soldier. It’s like 29 years ago, when I served as a conscript. But they are all serons and capable people. They serve not by calling, but for other reasons. Any emergency is an automatic deferment of the next military rank, and then a salary increase. This is the main thing. the reason for concealing non-statutory relations, + somewhere along the lines. Moral qualities are completely absent. The movie "Officers" is not about most of them. I thought a lot about the reasons for non-statutory relationships. At the end of Wed. service was a corporal, a company Komsomol organizer, and acting. company political officer.

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[Sebastian]

“ONLY officers are guilty of hazing,” I see here on the website of military theorists a dime a dozen, but the father raised his son - made him a defender of our Fatherland, sent him to the army (as I understand it, so as not to be imprisoned prematurely), and the fact that his son is a NEONAZI Dad’s eyes don’t open (or maybe Dad is the same) and the fact that he’s weaving there now is like a frying pan, that they beat him, forced him to do exercises, he also loved fables very much for Krylov. Why is a neo-Nazi, look at his profile, he throws zigs everywhere and is covered in swastikas, I’m posting a photo from there.

[figter]

What a bastard! What a reptile!

[figter]

This is a potential traitor to the Motherland! This is the one who shoots his comrades in the back and surrenders in the first battle. Are we looking for the reason why fascism flourished in Ukraine? THIS IS FROM SUCH FREAKS AND THEIR PARENTS! HIS FATHER NEEDS TO BE JAILED FOR RAISING SUCH A SWATTER!!!! And here they will make an officer guilty who honestly performed his duty, because this case is from the category of “THEY ARE CHILDREN.” Look at the comments, they are branding the officer. And they brand him because it’s customary here, and not because his guilt has been proven. Do you think anyone will really understand? I'm sure it's the opposite.

[pirania love]

The military investigation department sorted out the facts specified in the letter, it was not revealed, the question in another Yanov went unpunished and serves in Krasnodar, goes on leave, drinks, walks, as evidenced by the photographs posted on his page on social networks, as well as the correspondence that is presented below in the comments

[gak1977]

I got the tattoo in front of the army, you can see how proud I am of it

[gak1977]

I got the tattoo in front of the army, you can see how proud I am of it

[Ellerris]

I am doing military service in military unit 20634 in Vladikavkaz in PTADn 1 bPTUR, currently we are at the Prudboy training ground. I can say the following about completing military service: The brigade is a combat brigade, I am very glad that I ended up here. We had to shoot from ATGM combat vehicles, machine guns, and throw live grenades. We constantly go out in combat vehicles. We live in barracks in cubicles for 6 people. The cabins have: shower, toilet, washbasins, dryer. In June, the military unit was transferred to the Prudboy training ground for training. Yes, the conditions here differ significantly from living conditions in the barracks, but I believe that this is a test for a real man. Yes, there is little free time, but there are a lot of combat training classes, which allows you to master combat vehicles within 2-3 weeks. Overall, I really like life in the division and am thinking about signing a contract.
As for Private Yanov, I don’t know what made him take this step. In our brigade there are a number of people who are ready to help a soldier in a difficult situation, for example, the psychologist of the military unit, the interrogator of the brigade, Father Timofey, their telephone numbers are posted in every barracks on every floor, and if I were faced with this situation, I would certainly turn to him. And running away leaving a part is not a way out of the situation. My opinion is that Private Yanov simply missed his parents and decided to run away, and when he realized what this threatened him with, he decided to justify himself through hazing.
Private Krasnonos V.V.

[Berezhnaya]

I am serving in the control platoon of the division of military unit 20634, platoon commander Sr. Lt. Geikin A.K., when Yanov I.A ran away, I was sent along with Sr. Lt. Geikin A.K. to search. We drove in the platoon commander's car to Krasnodar at his place of residence, where we met with the soldier's father. The father set the terms of the CV if his son is transferred closer to home, an apology from Senior Lieutenant Geikin and financial assistance in the amount of 500 rubles, otherwise he will contact the prosecutor’s office, and also write on social networks about what happened.
Private Berezhnoy E.M.

[figter]

There have been a lot of such Yanovs in the troops lately. How many officers have been killed because of such monsters!

[SmileSimple]

The problem began to manifest itself in the SA and... remained in the Russian Army, i.e. this is a SYSTEM failure.
Quite often they write and say that a German soldier is a good soldier.
The level of “conflict” in the German army is an order of magnitude lower than ours.
Why is there such a difference?

I am a civilian and therefore I will write about the difference in training to become a TEACHER in Russia and Germany.

RUSSIA (after USSR)
- you need to learn the subject, i.e. solve problems on the topic you read
- you need to know the key basics that must be taught in class
- write a lesson plan and report on implementation
- take a course in child psychology, what psychotypes and deviations there are
= now you have theoretical knowledge of the subject, the head teacher at school will tell you the rest

GERMANY (Bavaria) briefly about the important difference!!! After graduating from primary school, based on their academic results, children are divided into future “masters” and future “smart guys.” “Masters” will study according to a simplified program and then enter an analogue of our vocational school or technical school, but the institute is actually closed to them. The “smart guys” will study at the gymnasium and then enter colleges and universities. The teachers (or officers) will be “clever nerds,” and statistically there is much less assault among them. More details www.km.bayern.de/russisch.html
- the subject is studied like this - read the topic and prepare an interesting lesson for children and come up with tasks. Assignments must be different from the work of other students.
- ways to resolve typical conflict situations in children's groups
- teacher forums where they discuss how to manage the microclimate in real classrooms
- trial practice (lesson), test practice, practice and... once again exam practice in real classes. Up to 50% of the training time is practical training.
- respect for the child’s personality is above all. For humiliation or insult, immediate dismissal.
= proven practical teaching methods and children's team management skills

As a result, the difference between a Russian young teacher and a German teacher is BIG.
a) is it surprising to any of us that the students brought the young teacher to tears?!
Almost like a young lieutenant whom the sergeants sent to... But with the Germans this is not possible in principle, because the young teacher already has a lot of practice behind him.
b) is it surprising to us that the teacher yells and bangs on the table during class to get the children to stay in order?! Just like an officer on the parade ground. But the Germans don’t understand at all why yell, because this situation is easy to resolve and, in addition, yelling is a sign of low qualifications of the teacher.
c) will it surprise us if in class our teacher calls a weak student “stupid”?!
In our country we send weak teachers to our children’s schools :(

The SYSTEM of teacher training is divorced from real children and tied to the subject.
The SYSTEM for training our engineers is technical training and they do not teach them at all how to manage a team of workers.
more likely??? in our RA officer training SYSTEM, the emphasis is on weapons and their use, and the management of the psychology of soldiers is replaced by the short and succinct “... a soldier must endure hardships and hardships with steadfastness...”

Until our officers' TRAINING SYSTEM is changed for the better, everything will continue :-(

[Yuri Pavlovich]

After reading this article, I would like to comment on some facts: first, a few words about myself: from 15.11.12/15.11.13/3 to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX I served in conscription under the command of Senior Lieutenant Geikin A.K., after which I remained on extra-urgent duty service, and besides me there were XNUMX more military personnel of my conscription. I think if it had been as Alexander Borisovich writes, then the soldiers would not have stayed longer. Well, about a number of Yanov I.A. I can give a brief description of my communication with him: I had no friends in the platoon due to his radical views on life, according to a number of words. Yanov, he is a Neopagan, which is essentially Nazism, and practiced sacrifice. Row. Yanov spoke with pride about his fascinating adventures before the army. From his stories I can highlight a couple of main points:
Repeated runs away from home due to conflicts in the family.
He was a witness in the murder of a homeless man. (but he says that he was a direct participant, which he was proud of.)
He is a so-called “football hooligan” and talked about clashes with the police. Participated in ultra-right protests
He mentioned his desire to serve in our unit. I really wanted to transfer to the Krasnodar region, which I talked about with my father several times.
And also on his right hand there is a pagan tattoo on the entire forearm, he explains it as amulets. Considered Adolf Hitler a great man and repeatedly quoted Mein Kampf

[iv.inka9026]

I can say one thing, it’s just that the father is trying to protect his son from responsibility with this article! It is obvious! I don’t know all the details thoroughly, but I heard a lot, my young man serves in this unit and I heard a lot about what is happening there, but for everything to be as Yanov sets out in his message, it put me in a little shock, I didn’t even know anything like that I heard what is described in this article! And I am more than sure that the father is simply trying to protect his son from responsibility, and after what he has done, he is obliged to bear it. And he simply makes Geikin look guilty, although Private Yanov himself is to blame here, and as far as I am informed, he will face a prison sentence for leaving the unit without permission!

[iv.inka9026]

They simply want to deprive Geikin of his work, and leave Yanov unpunished, and as they say above that he repeatedly spoke about the transfer, we can say with confidence that all this was carefully thought out and he ran away himself, and not for the reason as his father says, this It’s natural that a father is trying to protect his child from problems, but I don’t understand why he should expose innocent people! And if everything there is so neglected and he suffered such beatings, then why, as the law says, within 3 days an application for beating was not filed and a medical examination of the beatings was not submitted! It was all thought out down to the smallest detail, and he was running one hundred percent for a reason, they were definitely waiting for him somewhere. There is a lot to say about this and many opinions, everyone has their own, but in this situation it is obvious that they want to expose an innocent person and put him on trial, I hope that the higher authorities will deal with the full severity of the law and the truly guilty will be punished if there are no witnesses and there were no complaints against Geikin before this incident, which means nothing like this happened there, I hope justice will prevail

[iv.inka9026]

And if Geikin really treated soldiers this way, then after completing his military service with him, my young man would not have signed a contract again to serve with Geikin

[zheka]

Do you even understand what we're talking about? It's not about who is right and wrong! It wasn’t a conscript who wrote this article, but parents who worry about him, like all of us about our children! Put yourself in their shoes. They ask us for help, and not to look for someone to blame!

[Nikonor]

So everything came out. A rotten boy and an equally rotten father. Because of their greed and vile little soul, they slandered the officers of the combat unit in vain.

[gak1977]

Dear military review publishing house, I ask you to provide FSB officers with the address on social networks of Private Yanov, since the questionnaire, in my opinion, is of an extremist nature http://vk.com/id145107844 I think where there is extremism, there is terrorism, and perhaps there is not only 337 Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

[gak1977]

There he is registered under the name Igor Akabov from the abbreviated ACAB; the literal translation is available on the Internet

[gak1977]

We add the photos we like the most to this forum.

[fyyf19.anna]

A number of Yanovs greet...

[pirania love]

Judging by his photo and his friends, he is an obvious Nazi and joined the army to assert himself, but something probably went wrong and he still had to work, obey commands, run and jump. He wanted to go home quickly, where he had a mini jar of frostbitten teenagers and he decided to run away, taking advantage of the opportunity and at the same time setting everything up so that they would feel sorry for him, and parents will always take the side of their children, even if they are outright lying.

[gak1977]

Looking at his friend, it becomes clear who this Yanov-Akabov is, on his friend’s body there is an ACAB tattoo, apparently one gang

[agapoff1977]

Question for the Ministry of Defense; how was the Nazi Janov drafted into the Russian armed forces??? Who will this soldier protect us from; I’m sure that before serving in the army he used drugs; where do military registration and enlistment offices look; maybe it's time to stop calling on everyone. I personally don’t want our army to consist of such Nazi Yanovs. And what a significant escape it turns out from near Stalingrad

[sveta-angel.]

We see the reason for the unauthorized abandonment of the unit by Private Yanov in the photograph. In his hands he holds a sheet with the inscription A.S.A.V. which means the denial of any official authority. A literal translation of this inscription will be more interesting to investigators.

[Nikonor]

Nazis have no place in the army. They have no place at all in Russia.

[sveta-angel.]

We see the reason for the unauthorized abandonment of the unit by Private Yanov in the photograph. In his hands he holds a sheet with the inscription A.S.A.V. which means the denial of any official authority. A literal translation of this inscription will be more interesting to investigators.

[pirania love]

This guy is just a Nazi. We talk a lot about Ukraine and the dawn of fascism taking place there, and we have a man in our army who posts similar photos on his page and had tattoos on the relevant topic even before serving in the army. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a Banderaite who planned this whole provocation in order to undermine confidence in the Russian Army and discredit the officer.

[gak1977]

If you read your father’s letter, then it becomes clear who the role model is, an excerpt from the letter ... with an officer, a Tatar from Kazan ...., so who came to him, a Tatar from Kazan or an officer, it’s not true that Nazi notes are felt , only more disguised due to his age, in addition, the father previously served in the disbat, which is also a source of his pride, the Yanov family is very interesting, gave his son to serve the Motherland, he seems to have confused the Motherland.

[pirania love]

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[pirania love]

the impunity of such janitors gives rise to crowds of such unfortunate soldiers, the military investigation department conducted an investigation against the officer and did not reveal any facts, but this is only this time, how many more officers will suffer from the actions of such soldiers?

[pirania love]

so why did Yanov go unpunished?

[figter]

I don't have words to convey all the emotions. Everything we have lately has been organized in such a way that those who serve with dignity are removed, but such nits as this fascist bastard are elevated. At times it seems like this is being done on purpose. And the further it goes, the worse it gets.

[pirania love]

The most interesting thing is that private Yanov achieved what he wanted; he is now serving in Krasnodar with dismissals home, the position of the Krasnodar commanders who are sending him home during these dismissals is not clear, one gets the feeling that the officer corps where Yanov is now seconded is completely devoid of dignity, so they are shaking for their warm places in the warm Krasnodar region, and what is most interesting is that Yanov also continues to receive a monetary allowance in the amount of 11000 thousand rubles, as if he was serving in the Caucasus, in addition, Yanov ran away from that unit, but for some reason this was hushed up in Once again

[pirania love]

Yanov has already avoided responsibility for complicity in the murder of a homeless man in the city of Krasnodar at a hydraulic construction site, then he just became a witness, and they imprisoned a schoolboy just like Yanov, dad got rid of his son then, now, come on, “they are children,” soon this Yanov will come and yours house!!!

[Balamyt]

Quote: piranialove

I don’t understand the position of the Krasnodar commanders who are letting him go home during these layoffs,

The fact is that our people are afraid of one simple but very necessary thing! Namely RESPONSIBILITY. Responsibility both for decisions made and for deeds! Your own business! For any reason, approval is required from almost all higher authorities and structures.

[pirania love]

on the Internet they give links to this letter as an irrefutable fact of violence against a soldier, without even going into details and the essence of what was happening, what the soldier (the soldier’s father) wrote is perceived as a fact that yes, that’s how it happened, as a rule, everyone perceives it the same way, but their job is like that, but in this particular case it’s completely figured out, but unfortunately it’s no longer a fact that in similar cases it will be the same, but then it turns out that any soldier can run away to slander the commander and stay to serve at home, go drinking, partying and continue to cut homeless people, because they get away with everything

[pirania love]

will come to the house of Major Kush, who is now his commander and is following his lead, to the house of all those who are defending him here on the principle that he stumbled, but what is most interesting, and to the house of those who do not support him

[pirania love]

Not much time passed before we asked how Yanov got into the RF Armed Forces with his Nazi views, but many here blamed the platoon commander, and certain people responsible for conscription into the army did not draw conclusions, but maybe after Valery Permyakov (who killed a family in Armenia out of six people) will draw conclusions? or will we continue to play the lottery, I encourage everyone to continue to make conscientious officers guilty? Or Valery Permyakov is also not the case when it is necessary to draw conclusions about recruitment into the RF Armed Forces

[novaxom]

After reading the article and the comments, my opinion was formed in this way, the boy who was sitting under the skirt went to repay his debt to his homeland, but at the first difficulty he decided to tell everything to Mom, it’s difficult for him, he doesn’t think about the fact that Mom is worried about him, he is forced to work and do standards, he was beaten a little, everyone needs to run away from the unit!!!!!! my opinion on the nightstand, he would also be dying and tell Mom that the regulations are not correct. Mom, take me home, I can’t wrap my head around why, knowing your son’s character, you didn’t at least buy him out of the army?