Laid "silver link" BAM-2

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in the form of a video link, took part in the laying ceremony of the BAM-2 silver link on the Taksimo-Lodya stretch of the East-Siberian railway, which was timed to the 40 anniversary of the start of construction work on the Baikal-Amur Mainline, the newspaper reports "Sight".

“At the beginning of the 2000s, it became obvious that BAM was highly demanded, but it was already not enough,” said Putin. “Today, you know, we are working to expand the capabilities of BAM and entrust our country with the status of a powerful transport power, through which it is easy, comfortable and profitable to work economically.”

According to the President, the National Welfare Fund will allocate 150 billion rubles for the expansion of BAM. Currently, the carrying capacity of the line is about 16 million tons. Modernization will allow to increase the volume of freight traffic three times, and passenger turnover - by 18% by the year 2020.

Russian Railways has already begun work on the development of the Eastern Polygon, which includes BAM and Transsib. The public price and technology audit of the project has been completed, schedules for construction, installation and design and survey works have been developed. In addition, a project office was created - the Directorate for the Development of Railways of the Eastern Polygon.

The implementation of these projects will give Russian industry orders for about 200 billion rubles and provide an opportunity to master additional cargo traffic in 75 million tons annually.

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[ShturmKGB]

Construction is always good, and construction is doubly expensive. Jobs, technology development, experience, only pluses.

[Hs487]

ShturmKGB

Construction is always good

As for the mansions on Rublevka I’m not sure, but in this case - definitely!

[silver_roman]

Quote: Hs487

As for the mansions on Rublevka not sure

very accurately noticed!

[Giant thought]

The second track must be laid so that the effectiveness of the use of BAM increases.

[Interface]

Only BAM 1 built 10 years, and BAM 2 will build years 25-30.

The country has neither money, nor workers, nor engineers for such a pace of construction. VEB has already stated that if they do not repay the loan for Sochi, then they will go bankrupt.

The cut will be unimaginable at construction sites. Probably the Chinese are quietly catching up on construction sites. And who else?

[Alekseev]

Quote: Interface

The country has no money, no workers, no engineers

I suppose I was full, got drunk in a good car, piled up and plunged into omnipresent thoughts.
No workers? And how much do they want to go to work?
And there will be enough engineers, you have to pay, but for cutting into the penal battalion to Peninsula Strelkov.
So now, since there are shortages and cuts do nothing?
For all that, the Russian Federation is implementing infrastructure projects (at least building nuclear power plants, Nort and South Streem, etc.), as in the heyday of the USSR.

[Interface]

I suppose I was full, got drunk in a good car, piled up and plunged into omnipresent thoughts.

Everything? Is a moment of humor over?

And there will be enough engineers, you have to pay, but for cutting into the penal battalion to Peninsula Strelkov.

No, well, if everything is easy, then why only 40% of graduates go to work in their specialty? And I didn’t say it, this is the Ministry of Education and Science.
And you joke further.

So now, since there are shortages and cuts do nothing?

I’ll immediately notice that you said it, not me.
And then, in response to any comments on the execution of orders from the GDP, a memorized phrase like: "Nat, well, why not do anything?"

Yes, it’s necessary to do it only wisely, so that only ours will not steal and build. Where will you find 200 thousand highly skilled workers? Will we invite you from Turkey again? 15 thousand Turks rebuilt our hotel complexes in Sochi. 90% of materials for the Turks in Sochi was imported, by the way, from Turkey itself, through the Sembol company. This is if someone did not know.

For all that, the Russian Federation is implementing infrastructure projects (at least building nuclear power plants, Nort and South Streem, etc.), as in the heyday of the USSR.

How in his heyday ... what? Sorry, I think this is not being treated.

During the heyday, we built 250-500 factories in a five-year period and we were not helped by "foreign investment"; By the way, these were not candle factories from Rusnano, with the number of jobs about 24 people, but machine-building giants, such as Motorostroitel (now Motor Sich), AvtoVAZ, Magnitka, Rat Titanium, etc.

To continue the list or is it enough?

Well, you compared. Lay the pipe and lead the railway through the swamps, taiga, mountains.

In the USSR, pipelines were also laid and not like that. Remind you of the Druzhba Pipeline?
NPP. So what? In Soviet times, nuclear power plants were also built.
So, today's achievements, like a thick pipe "Nord Stream", in a thinking person will only cause a mind-blowing rzhach, reaching ecstasy and resuscitation.

[dirty trick]

Quote: Alekseev

Quote: Interface
The country has no money, no workers, no engineers
I suppose I was full, got drunk in a good car, piled up and plunged into omnipresent thoughts.
No workers? And how much do they want to go to work?
And enough engineers, it’s necessary to pay, but for cutting into the penalty battalion

in vain do you swear at a comrade - he’s right, they will build for a very long time, our Russian Railways - there are few of them.
You are also right that need to pay, that's just Russian Railways - the most scam of the state office, verified by personal sad experience.
Based on the foregoing, it is a sad conclusion: it will take a long time, it will cost a lot, and in the end they will drive a crowd of Chinese people, who will do everything for some money.
in order to avoid the loss of time and money, I propose to immediately give the contract to the Chinese contractor, and not to give even the functions of the customer to Russian Railways - otherwise everything will be ruined!

[Interface]

Based on the foregoing, it is a sad conclusion: it will take a long time, it will cost a lot, and in the end they will drive a crowd of Chinese people, who will do everything for some money.

So I’m talking about this! The Russian Federation even before Sochi, even after-- a miserable nudity of the USSR. Nothing changed. We just experienced that brief moment of glee that gave us the opportunity, like 30 years ago, to be proud again.

But the euphoria passes sooner or later.
We do not have the strength that we had. Therefore, the Chinese will be driven there with 80% probability, and then they will be shown on ORT, when everyone will forget about this BAM long ago, through 30, that this is an outstanding project of Russian builders.
Not necessity itself, but lies and pathos - this also pisses me off at the same time about the inefficient economy of the Union.

[anfil]

... in order to avoid the loss of time and money, I propose to immediately give the contract to the Chinese contractor, and not to give even the functions of the customer to Russian Railways - otherwise everything will be ruined!

I don’t agree here, there will probably be people who want to work among our people who want to work from remote villages, where there was no work there was more than enough, we built it.

Believe me, the second path will be easier to lay than the laying of a newly built path, where it was necessary to start all over from scratch, and the technique has now become a lot better.
The same delivery of goods and equipment along the existing route to technological "windows". And although they are "killed", and maybe not everywhere, but there are certainly some roadside roads, serving the existing tracks now.

But it definitely won’t be easy, and still we can do it! You most importantly believe in your people.

[dirty trick]

Quote: anfil

Believe me, the second path will be easier to lay than the laying of a newly built path, where it was necessary to start all over from scratch, and the technique has now become a lot better.
The same delivery of goods and equipment along the existing route to technological "windows". And although they are "killed", and maybe not everywhere, but there are certainly some roadside roads, serving the existing tracks now.

But it definitely won’t be easy, and still we can do it! You most importantly believe in your people.

Thanks for the kind words. but the problem really is not the technical feasibility of the building, not the workers and engineers, not even the financing. the problem is in the leaders of Russian Railways at all levels, which really were stolen like no other in Russia. these snickering u..da are able to ditch any project and crush any initiative, chubais them in charge!

[Tartar]

The country has money like dirt, only we give half to America through the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. And Putin can not do anything.

[Interface]

Stalin also exported oil and grain, exchanged for currency ($), and this did not stop him from buying machines and other equipment for the same dollars, and paying for the services of Albert Kahn and other Western specialists in enterprise design.

And to Nikolai Starikov, the author of this wonderful acquittal half-truth (ATTENTION: it’s half-truth), for some reason, the dollar is in the way.

[nikoli25]

they will build 25-30 years.
After all, the Olympic facility was built on time, although people like you also whined that we won’t have time

[Interface]

Friend, this is not an Olympic project. It is one thing to build a stadium, another thing to drain the swamp, cut down the taiga, deliver steel and concrete to this wilderness.

Bam 1 built 10 years 1974-1984.
And this despite the fact that there was no shortage of rabsil.

although people like you also whined that we won’t have time

And where did I say that "we will not be in time"? I said that it will take an extremely long time to build, do you read at all, Mr. optimist?

[Gladiolus]

I myself saw how workers from budgetary organizations were driven to objects in Sochi in order to be in time, and at the same time not to pay money.
Are you special in paper work? It’s not scary, here’s a ticket, you’ll cover the roofs ...

[Matroskin 18]

They are building a BAM, a bridge to the Crimea, in Siberia a cosmodrome with a whole city, building the Arctic with airfields and ports ... How much money is coming from ?! Serdyukov and Chubais returned the loot? !!

[Interface]

A bridge to the Crimea has not yet been built, even a project has not been selected and it will cost 200 lard.
By the way, we are going to privatize state property. At least DAM said so. Apparently half of the proceeds from 400 mldr will go there.

In the Arctic, too, they’re not really building it. They RESTORE what they abandoned 20 years ago, there is infrastructure itself. It only needs to be repaired.

[Turbo rabbit]

Correct solution. The Far East will breathe and Siberia. It’s just that this project would not have resulted in unrealistic theft. From there to the king is far

[avt]

And how much of the stench from the liberoids from the Gaidarov witnesses sect was about the uselessness of BAM! Well, nothing, they survived and now they are gradually expanding BAM!

[mazhnikof.Niko]

Quote: avt

And how much of the stench from the liberoids from the "Gaidarov's witnesses" sect was about the uselessness of BAM!

Literally, they took it off my fingers. Still, the remaining "liberoids" such as Chubais, clean! It's time.

[Nayhas]

Quote: avt

And how much of the stench from the liberoids from the Gaidarov witnesses sect was about the uselessness of BAM! Well, nothing, they survived and now they are gradually expanding BAM!

Well, let's essentially. In the 90s, the load of BAM was low, which did not pay for its content.

[avt]

Quote: Nayhas

Well, let's essentially. In the 90s, the load of BAM was low, which did not pay for its content.

If in essence, then BAM is a means to achieve a result - the development of the region in terms of the economy and, as a result, improve the life of the population, and ANY road is not a printing press for obtaining money and goods for transportation along it. laying them is a long-term planning for the development of the region as a whole, and in this case for centuries. What is the understanding of a true market person "from the Gaidar Witnesses sect, worshiping the All-Regulatory Market" and especially vile, well, those who understand what for what, not publicly disclosed under any circumstances.

[fzr1000]

I am very happy about this!

[Stypor23]

He lacks BAM. Maybe someone in the know how much it is loaded now?

[Gomunkul]

Can anyone know how much it is currently loaded?

The capacity of the Baikal-Amur Railway is 12,5 million tons per year and has no capacity reserves for 280 km. the way. Depreciation of fixed assets of railway transport is 60%.

Whole article: http: //www.proza.ru/2013/07/26/637

[djtyysq]

Quote: Stypor23

He lacks BAM. Maybe someone in the know how much it is loaded now?

And you are in the know. That the trains are on the hauls for 2 hours to skip the oncoming one, t. single track? A load Bam will not be a problem. Minus one.

[Stypor23]

Quote: djtyysq

A load Bam will not be a problem.

There is no taste, and therefore asked, comrade railwayman.

[Yellow white]

Working hands are needed there, the hands of Navalny's comrade-in-arms will fit the draft

[bmv04636]

and the Chinese want to build a tunnel through the Bering Strait

[red rocket]

this is a new construction of the century, young Russia - this means the country is reviving !!!

[Rusi dolaze]

I agree with the meaning :)) But please specify who the country REVIVES? :))
Or herself? :)
I apologize for the pedantry, but linguistic education presses :)))))))))))

[pahom54]

In fact, this is not BAM-2, but BAM-3. If someone does not know, I can remind you that the first BAM was built in front of the Second World War, and then it was disassembled and transported under Stalingrad to the Steppe Front.
Well, in general, literally today there was a conversation about the industrialization of the country - so this is all in the subject, and joyfully - the country comes to life, the country grows stronger ...

[djtyysq]

He worked for Zh.D. 24 years old, traveled BAM along and across. What has he turned into! Abandoned villages, no work, no roads. Really just now drew attention to the BAM? Since the forties we have been building and cannot finish building! Having started one thing, we drop it and grab onto another, which we throw again.

Quote: red rocket

this is a new construction of the century, young Russia

This "new construction" is already buzzing ears! Yes, Bam is needed, but let's finally stop spraying!

[Volkhov]

Quote: djtyysq

Really just now drew attention to the BAM?

There was peace time and it was not needed, now they are trying to wage war in the north, and it has been needed - it has always been like that, as military preparations build it as it calms down - they abandon it.

[Anchonsha]

The solution is good, it will bring the Far East and central Russia much closer and will increase economic ties between enterprises.

[little man]

NWF will allocate 150 billion rubles for the expansion of BAM
And why not Russian Railways snickering?

[Associate Professor]

Quote: man

NWF will allocate 150 billion rubles for the expansion of BAM
And why not Russian Railways snickering?

Russian Railways, in my opinion, allocates 260 billion

[Venier]

Great country! Great projects! And one hundred percent of their implementation.

[zav]

The article requires clarification. A year or a half ago, BAM-2 was called the construction of the second railway lines of the Komsomolsk n / A railway line - Sovetskaya Gavan. And this construction has long been carried out in separate areas.
Only the term "development" is not very suitable for the laying of rails in a certain area. Real development, as I understand it, involves the complex development of the territory by mutually complementary industrial, agricultural and social facilities. It is not planned to do anything like this in particular at the second BAM. It is about creating a wide transport corridor for exporting raw materials - coal, oil, timber, grain, etc., from which the branch is now suffocating. Moreover, small stations are being transferred to automation, and the population is leaving to no one knows where and it is developing what is unknown. If we talk about the big BAM, then the same transport corridor for bulk cargo and for Chinese and South Korean containers is being prepared from it, and nothing more. Because of someone’s desire for quick and easy money, the population of Siberia and the Far East, oblivious to the skills of industrial workers, turns into movers and switchmen.

[Samsebenaum]

BAM-2 is just an idea. Although beautiful.
I am ready to bet that the price of investments will increase several times over.
The practice of constructing Olympic facilities, the calculations of the project for the construction of a bridge in the Crimea through the Strait, roads, gas pipelines, Skolkovo, etc. makes us really look at the costs.
I believe that today it will be cheaper to increase freight and passenger traffic by purchasing more powerful locomotives, electrifying diesel locomotive sections, and having a locomotive reserve with long lifts.
It is many times cheaper than hollowing tunnels in the rocks, pouring canvas and laying rails. And to call the people into the taiga and provide them with food, housing, etc. the business is complex and not cheap.
Times have changed and the Komsomol enthusiasm will be gone ...
It is necessary to measure 7 times.

[blackberry]

Quote: Samsebenum

BAM-2 is just an idea. Although beautiful.
I am ready to bet that the price of investments will increase several times over.
The practice of constructing Olympic facilities, the calculations of the project for the construction of a bridge in the Crimea through the Strait, roads, gas pipelines, Skolkovo, etc. makes us really look at the costs.
I believe that today it will be cheaper to increase freight and passenger traffic by purchasing more powerful locomotives, electrifying diesel locomotive sections, and having a locomotive reserve in the sections before long lifts.
It is many times cheaper than hollowing tunnels in the rocks, pouring canvas and laying rails. And to call the people into the taiga and provide them with food, housing, etc. the business is complex and not cheap.
Times have changed and the Komsomol enthusiasm will be gone ...

In terms of costs, the real cost of objects is lower even than the preliminary planned one. And certainly lower than the one that develops during the construction process. We are dealing with massive thefts on an especially large scale. Until this is put to an end, there will be no qualitative breakthrough either in industry or in the economy as a whole. And the fact that this once should have hit national security has been said more than once, and now it has come. The country believes that it does not have a reserve of economic strength against enemy sanctions. There should be an unconditional displacement of people involved (in any form) in the squandering of funds. There will be many of them, but practice has shown that "second chances" do not work. Let me remind you - in Soviet times, a drunkard could not be fired, the whole team was nursing the boobies. But from positions directly related to material values, they were even fired for "loss of confidence." And then they didn’t take them to the places with mat. Responsibility. Like a wolf ticket. There was nothing more shameful than suspicion of theft. And now it is almost by virtue of being exposed, at least, an inevitable evil. Associated losses. It would be an accompanying loss in a one-time, exceptional, extraordinary performance. And the current state of affairs - this is shrinking in front of a moribund enemy is completely the result of many years of mass theft.

As for the option of locomotives or paths, locomotives are probably needed, but paths are definitely needed. The problem is that many routes were closed, dismantled, and now the trains have nowhere to go, runs between stations have increased, and now everyone is waiting for one. Maybe you can get along with the restoration of trips - here I am not so much in the subject. But locomotives cannot solve the problem of oncoming flows. This is the first super issue. The second super-problem is the monstrous empty run. When there was one owner, he could use the nearest empty cars. But they didn’t want to repair or update them - the park was sold to private ownership. Now each owner needs to return the cars. Here I have no ready-made solution.

[Siberia 9444]

MPS torn to private shops! We made directorates (for repair in traction) both in the locomotive and wagon fleets. The owner increases the repair runs to the ugly he doesn’t benefit from overhaul expensive and wagons fly off the rails (it’s more profitable to insure the wagon and let it fly) since the cargo is also insured and no one is at a loss. I myself work for Russian Railways in a locomotive depot. There was a form as a uniform on uniforms, there were stars, we were proud of it, and now some daisies were glued on by roosters (sorry for the charm), and this muzzle is to blame!

[Samsebenaum]

Siberia 9444
I myself began my career with pom. the driver. So what's in the subject.
I agree with you in many ways.
But the muzzle in the photo does not accidentally occupy such a high position, is it? Who approved it Who?
In general, if you dig, a lot of secrets will be revealed. But the whole system of ensuring the safety and security of important people is built by the vertical of power extremely reliable.
Therefore, the muzzle is a pawn in the game of grandmasters.

[komrad.klim]

Quote: Siberia 9444

MPS torn to private shops! We made directorates (for repair in traction) both in the locomotive and wagon fleets. The owner increases the repair runs to the ugly he doesn’t benefit from overhaul expensive and wagons fly off the rails (it’s more profitable to insure the wagon and let it fly) since the cargo is also insured and no one is at a loss. I myself work for Russian Railways in a locomotive depot. There was a form as a uniform on uniforms, there were stars, we were proud of it, and now some daisies were glued on by roosters (sorry for the charm), and this muzzle is to blame!

KUKLOID are coming!

[Tumbler]

More factories! More industry! We need to be able to do everything ourselves! And it’s tough, even cruel, to punish corruption. Why is Serdyukov still at large?