New industrialization in Russia - a matter of country survival

New industrialization of Russia is a matter of survival. In the context of the global systemic crisis, which grows through the ulcers of regional and local wars, only the new industrialization will allow the Russian Federation to survive and make a breakthrough in the future.

The raw material model that prevails in today's Russia is a guaranteed defeat of Russia in the raging sea of ​​the global crisis and, apparently, a new disintegration of statehood and the elimination of Russian civilization from a number of global players. There will be new industrialization, science and education will begin to rise, the defense potential will be preserved and improved, the people will retain the skills of creation and production.

According to Izvestia, the Russian government plans to go to the calculation of indicators of socio-economic development for the long term. An action plan for Russia to achieve its targets will be for the 5-year period. According to a high-ranking government source, this plan will be considered in the Russian government and approved by a special decree. The first plan for the economic and social development of the Russian Federation is planned to be submitted to the head of state in the current month. A plan to achieve certain targets will be prepared for industry, social services, transport and other industries. Every six months, government meetings will be held to discuss issues related to the implementation of the approved plan.

Source Izvestia noted that the question of eliminating the dependence of the economy and the budget of the Russian Federation on the prices of hydrocarbons (oil and gas) has been standing for a long time. Many people understand that it is necessary to develop industry, engineering, high technologies. In principle, it is necessary to do what was successfully done in the Soviet Union. And for this it is necessary to set and carry out tasks for a certain period of time - the "five-year plan."

Russian President 1 July signed the law "On Strategic Planning", in which the concept of planning economic and social development for a long period fits. The main idea of ​​strategic planning is the formation of a legal framework for the development, creation and operation of a comprehensive planning system for the socio-economic development of the Russian Federation, which will allow to solve the tasks of growth of the Russian economy, state security and increase the welfare of citizens. Recently, the need for such a system has greatly increased, since decisions in the defense, socio-economic, and technological spheres have a strategic character.

True, a spokesman for the head of the Russian government, Dmitry Medvedev, Natalia Timakova, denied the press report about the introduction of the "five-year plans" in Russia. “There are no plans for the transition to the five-year plan in the government, it is fiction,” said Timakova.

However, this message enabled the expert community to return again to the question of the vital necessity of accelerated new industrialization for the country. Experts believe that the new industrialization for Russia is the primary issue that is associated with the future position of Russia in the world.

Most analysts agree that economic development planning is a move in the right direction. With good organization of this business, the economy is waiting for rapid growth. The five-year plan allows us to predict the economic development of the country, to prevent dangerous situations. It is obvious that the successful Soviet experience (Gosplan since I. Stalin contributed to the development of the economy of the state) is not exhausted and is not outdated. With some improvement, this experience will allow the country to solve a number of important tasks in the sphere of defense, economy, science, education and society.

The experience of the Stalinist empire contains points of growth for the future, and not only Russia. No wonder China is paying a lot of attention to studying the Stalin era, especially in the economic sphere. The western world also studied in the Soviet five-year plans. In any large western and eastern enterprise, in TNCs, planning is used and applied very widely. We also need to carefully study this experience, which allowed in the shortest possible time to turn Soviet Russia into a superpower, to survive and win in a fight with almost all of Europe led by Germany, and in just a few years to recover and continue its rapid growth. It is necessary to take models of the Stalinist USSR and understand that Soviet Russia has far from exhausted its take-off opportunities. Certain stagnation and degradation of the epoch of Khrushchev, Brezhnev and later times is connected not with the problems of planning, but with its content. The extent to which it corresponds to the tasks of the development of society, the extent to which it sets the right goals, and the use of the resources of the country

The same problem stands now. Many experts point out that the Soviet experience can help the Russian Federation, and the idea of ​​the “five-year plans” is correct. However, given the liberal course of our government, which continues to introduce Western standards in Russia, any plan will be extremely difficult or even impossible to fulfill. Liberal economy remains a “sacred cow” for Russian economists and financiers. Therefore, before proceeding to strategic planning, it is necessary to break the liberal concept. This is task number XXUMX for the supreme power of Russia. In essence, Russia needs a "revolution from above" and "nationalization of the elite." Only after solving this task will it be possible to realize the right plans for the “modernization” of the country, the introduction of strategic planning in the economic sphere.

Как said Chairman of the Supervisory Board of the Institute for Demography, Migration and Regional Development Yuri Krupnov, in order to proceed to planning, it is necessary to solve the problem of preliminary design. Over the years since the collapse of the USSR, "reforms", "modernization" and "optimization" in the country have destroyed the applied science, "killed" all the research institutes and the institute of general designers. The stratum of specialists who determined what needs to be included in the State Planning Committee, what will develop and “feed” the country, was destroyed as a class.

To organize a five-year plan, it is necessary to prepare a legislative base, draw up a strategic plan with decrees and laws. Then go to the design of the State Planning Committee, which can prepare the existing ministry, department and the new structure. When planning it is necessary to build on the objective tasks of the state and society. Create general schemes for the growth of the population of the country and its resettlement, for the electric power industry, transport, distribution of productive forces and so on. This will create a basis for decision-making at the federal and regional levels.

The current officials are simply not able to solve such problems. So, Delyagin noted that strategic forecasting and planning is very different from the usual planning. In his opinion, the Russian leadership “is fundamentally unable to do this, and is not doing anything to prepare appropriate personnel. Nothing is being done to prepare the organizational structures that will deal with this. ”

Everything rests on the political will of the top leadership of the country. The question is whether the Kremlin is ready to go for a "revolution from above," a change of the liberal concept and the "nationalization of the elite." If this happens, strategic planning will become a reality, rather than beautiful words.

Comments

[VNP1958PVN]

And there’s no other way, damn it!

[a52333]

What does the "sanctions" have to do with it? Have you tried to read the article?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: a52333

Have you tried to read the article?

And what for, enough of the name

[Nick]

Quote: a52333

What does the "sanctions" have to do with it? Have you tried to read the article?

Well, the sanctions are just "where". The conditions when Russia sold raw materials on world markets and received in return the necessary goods, as a result of sanctions, may soon end. In this situation, there is an urgent need to develop its own industrial base, with the aim of import substitution of the most important products for the country.
Thus, industrialization, or more broadly, the development of Russia is a goal that must be achieved, and as soon as possible.
But to achieve this goal as soon as possible, the old Soviet experience of strategic planning with a five-year time lag will help.
The main task is the organization of strategic planning, this is the tool that will help, in a short time, achieve the main goal - industrialization and development of Russia.

[a52333]

Oh!
I agree. And now point by point ...
1) money is needed for industrialization. Long (at least 25 years) and cheap (almost interest-free).
2) the refinancing rate is low. (in shallow conditions, at the time of the crisis, negative = -0,25%, and we have = 8,2%)
3) salary level for industrialization in the whole country MUST DECLINE AT TIMESotherwise, goods produced in the Russian Federation will be uncompetitive.
without these steps, talk of industrialization = blah, blah. blah.

[Bayonet]

Quote: a52333

the salary level for industrialization in the whole country MUST DECLINE at times,

Then there will definitely be a "Maidan"!

[Old Cynic]

3) the salary level for industrialization in the whole country MUST DECLINE at times, otherwise the goods produced in the Russian Federation will be uncompetitive.

Or maybe it's better to abandon the world cups and other Universiades before it's too late?
So already pay the Olympics ... And soon, and THESE ... Yes, plus Formula 1 ...


This is to ensure that people do not reduce their salaries.

[a52333]

Quote: Old Cynic

so that people do not reduce salaries.

Will not work. China has risen due to cheap labor.
Stalin's industrialization was largely due to the cheap Gulag labor.
Conversely, the US was de-industrialized due to the pricey.
So either or.

[saag]

there is another way out - automation of production

[Nayhas]

Quote: a52333

Will not work. China has risen due to cheap labor.
Stalin's industrialization was largely due to the cheap Gulag labor.
Conversely, the US was de-industrialized due to the pricey.
So either or.

Turning to the history of industrialization both in the USSR and in China, I ask you to remember that it was carried out with large-scale help (albeit not free of charge) of countries that local residents consider as enemies. Without machine tools and equipment from the USA, Germany and other countries, industrialization in the USSR would have been impossible. Thousands of skilled workers and engineers from the USA and Europe worked in the USSR. Then all this repeated in China. At first we helped China with equipment, personnel, then Europe and the USA.
And now the question. How is the current government going to industrialize under sanctions?

[saag]

Quote: Nayhas

And now the question. How is the current government going to industrialize under sanctions?

Gaster ...

[Nick]

Quote: Nayhas

And now the question. How is the current government going to industrialize under sanctions?

Now the situation is completely different. There is an engineering corps, there are scientific schools, there are still skilled workers. But most importantly, now, in addition to Europe and the USA, which are trying to apply sanctions, there is Asia producing and high-tech equipment, including ...

[Nick]

Quote: Old Cynic

Or maybe it's better to abandon the world cups and other Universiades before it's too late?
So already pay the Olympics ... And soon, and THESE ... Yes, plus Formula 1 ...


This is to ensure that people do not reduce their salaries.

The result will be the opposite. large-scale infrastructure projects create a long workload of industries, stimulate industrial growth, and this creates demand in the labor market, respectively, labor is becoming more expensive.
In addition, state. expenses have a multiplier effect and, after passing through a certain cycle, additional budget revenues appear.

[97110]

Quote: a52333

without these steps, talk of industrialization = blah, blah. blah.

In 2000, in negotiations with the Germans (N), at a time when tension had subsided and champagne appeared, I said:
"We have a new president. And if there is a team (not in the sense of a group of accomplices, but in the sense of an order), then we will set up the fleet as much as necessary, but we will not build here."
N: Yes, where do you get the money.
Me: You didn't understand. We have a new president. And if there is a team ... And tell me where the country took the money so that only for our shipping company in 1956, after the war, by the way, to build 30 two-thousanders (well, here I lied a little). "The comrades fell silent, their faces are slightly stunned - they knew the composition of our fleet.
THOSE. you need to add a command in the sense of "order" to your list.

[Nick]

Quote: a52333

1) money is needed for industrialization. Long (at least 25 years) and cheap (almost interest-free).

And they are. The Stabilization Fund, the Gold and Foreign Exchange Reserve, "long" money can also be provided by the Pension Fund and Pension Fund.

Quote: a52333

2) the refinancing rate is low. (at the time of the crisis, in the small-scale situation was negative = -0,25%, and for us = 8,2%)

And now there are state programs for which a subsidized interest is provided, as well as a refund of part of the cost of equipment and machinery. This solves the problem with a high interest rate.

Quote: a52333

3) the salary level for industrialization in the whole country MUST DECLINE at times, otherwise the goods produced in the Russian Federation will be uncompetitive.

I propose an alternative, high-tech highly automated production providing high labor productivity.
You just need will at the state level, Russia will find resources. As they say, "The road will be mastered by the one walking." The USSR proved all this in the 30s.

[duke]

for a respected one, 52333 - it’s not only a matter of salary, all industry, trade work on credit money, how to compete with Western countries if (see your point 2), and real loans from 13% and above ... well, how ? anyone interested http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuou9CUb-VM

[Revolver]

Quote: a52333

3) the salary level for industrialization in the whole country MUST DECLINE at times, otherwise the goods produced in the Russian Federation will be uncompetitive.
without these steps, talk of industrialization = blah, blah. blah.

That's it. It's not that hard to produce. But to produce at Chinese prices, the task turned out to be unbearable for the industrial world, and production went to China. In America, there are so many abandoned factories that the concept of "Rust Belt" has already appeared, covering many states where production was previously concentrated, and now only desolation. In some places, Europe is held together by the fact that their products are so superior to those of China that buyers are willing to pay European prices, and such industries as electronics have long left for Asia. How soon will VAZ products catch up in quality, well, let not Mercedes and BMW, at least FIAT?
Or the same consumer goods. If Russian workers agree, as in China, there are 3 rice bowls a day and sleep in the hostel in shifts, because 2 people live in a room with 6 beds, production will become sharply competitive.
But to provide equipment for our own oil industry is a real task. In Iran, sanctions do not work because oil sales are hindered, but because they don’t sell equipment for extraction and refining - and oil remains in the ground, and gasoline has to be imported.
And to provide airlines with domestic aircraft - not only by name but also by components - is also realistic, because everything was under the Soviet regime. And in the same Iran, because of sanctions, they fly on coffins, with all the ensuing consequences.

[Interface]

Industrialization according to the Stalinist model is not possible for the following reasons:

1. The backbone of the economy in those distant years was the village. From a half-starved village, people tumbled into the cities, as a result, an inexhaustible influx of human resources.

Today, in the village, not 70% of the country's population lives, as in 30, but 26%. The level of unemployment and drunkenness in the village today is just going wild.

2. Well-coordinated state apparatus. I'm afraid to talk about today. Well, if they were kicked out of the Party for careerism and moral instability, what about today?

3. Motivated population. It has long been known that labor enthusiasm and patriotism for many years ensured the Soviet Union coherence in relations between both people and government agencies. Then they worked in the name of the Idea.

And over the past 10-20 years, a whole horde of egocentric hedonists has grown up in Russia, for whom the proverbial "career", "money", "business", etc. is a life goal, and such, except with a whip and babos, of course, to force it is impossible to work. Moreover, this garbage stream does not dry out, it is stronger every year.

4. Gulag system. Yes. This is an extremely important factor that ensured the success of industrialization. The convicts worked under the protection of the NKVD troops over the construction of water utilities, pits, railways, such as the BAM, which they began to build in the 30's, in short, almost everywhere where low-skilled labor was required.

And what about today. It seems that 2 million prisoners are enough for at least initial support for mass construction, but money ... Yes, and the organization of the FSIN and the Ministry of Internal Affairs vryat will provide an adequate level of security. at least numerically.

5. Well, the most important thing. Those who hold in their hands entire branches of production, Deripaska, Abramovichi, etc. are NOT profitable to create competitors in the face of new enterprises that do not fall under their control.

Therefore, it is necessary either to rebuild the Scattered Federation, with its Yeltsin constitution and build a COMPLETELY different country, or to continue to drive raw materials and talk about the "left turn" and "industrialization".

[97110]

Quote: Interface

Therefore, it is necessary either to rebuild the Scattered Federation, with its Yeltsin constitution and build a COMPLETELY different country, or to continue to drive raw materials and talk about the "left turn" and "industrialization".

I support. Comment plus.

[Revolver]

Quote: Interface

3. Motivated population ... a whole horde of egocentric hedonists has grown up in Russia, for whom the proverbial "career", "money", "business", etc. is a life goal, and such, except whip and babos, of course, is impossible to get to work.

So you yourself write below:

Quote: Interface

4. The Gulag system. Yes. This is an extremely important factor that ensured the success of industrialization.

Why do not you whip? Who does not want to work in the wild, works in the camps. But for this to work, Stalin is needed. Well, or at least Beria.

[Interface]

Why do not you whip? Who does not want to work in the wild, works in the camps. But for this to work, Stalin is needed. Well, or at least Beria.

That is, you are a money-grubber of semi-delusional myths like "half of the country was sitting"?

At the peak of the expansion of the gulag, ~ 11 million people sat there.
A lot, but not the main part of the country's population.
The bulk of the workers were former peasants motivated by propaganda.

[Interface]

I apologize to the members of the forum, gave grossly distorted statistics on the number of prisoners of the Gulag.

The number of prisoners is not 11mln, but 2,5-3 maximum. Just noticed, fixed the error.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Interface

Industrialization according to the Stalinist model is not possible for the following reasons:

I categorically plus, I especially liked about the local oligarchs ...

Quote: Nagan

Why do not you whip? Who does not want to work in the wild, works in the camps. But for this to work, Stalin is needed. Well, or at least Beria.

and what did Yuri Vladimirovich not please you ???

[prepod65]

I disagree with paragraph 1. Yes, the village was the source of human resources in the 20-30 years. But now, on the one hand, taking into account the growth in the technological effectiveness of production, such a number of workers is not necessary, and on the other hand, the country has a potential labor army - managers, merchandisers, image makers, stylists and other shelupon.
I do not agree with point 2. The decision to industrialize was carried out in the years 25-27, and then even in the political leadership of the country there was no unity (remember the right, left deviations, the fight against Trotskyism). Stalin became the full-fledged "master" of the country only after 1939.
Point 3 is controversial. Considering that industrialization began in the year 27, the government could not have motivated the population strongly for 7 years after the end of the civil war, as it could have done with the younger generation by 1939.
I do not agree with point 4. The maximum number of those imprisoned was about 3 million people (the book "Stalin and the People: Why There Was No Uprising", author: Viktor Zemskov, statistician, historian and demographer).
I agree with paragraph 5. Strategic sectors of the country should be nationalized.

[Interface]

I do not agree with point 2. The decision to industrialize was carried out in the years 25-27, and then even in the political leadership of the country there was no unity (remember the right, left deviations, the fight against Trotskyism). Stalin became the full-fledged "master" of the country only after 1939.

Trotsky and Kamenev lost their posts back in the year 1926. Starting from 27 of the same year, the opponents of Stalin at all party meetings remained in the minority. And in 32, Trotsky lost his citizenship altogether.

Stalin has confidently ruled the state since 27 years. What nafig "after 1939" ?!

I disagree with paragraph 1. Yes, the village was the source of human resources in the 20-30 years. But now, on the one hand, taking into account the growth in the technological effectiveness of production, such a number of workers is not necessary, and on the other hand, the country has a potential labor army - managers, merchandisers, image makers, stylists and other shelupon.

Shelupon - she is also a Shelupon in Africa. These are aggressive individualists and potential opponents of any power, which by its generally good actions can encroach on their own honor, which often resembles a piece of dog shit, covered in gilding and with a bow on a pipette; on their hedonistic way of life, their beliefs, etc.

Therefore, it is contraindicated to touch them. Until some point, of course. And then take them away: some for production, some for builders, some for astronauts .... Well, and especially insolent ... Sewing slippers on ITP.

[mamont5]

Quote: Nick

But to achieve this goal as soon as possible, the old Soviet experience of strategic planning with a five-year time lag will help.

But without the slogan "Five-year plan in four years". The chronometer is the perfect movement. It is equally defective if it falls behind and if it hurries.

[97110]

Quote: mamont5

But without the slogan "Five-year plan in four years". The chronometer is the perfect movement. It is equally faulty if it falls behind and if it hurries

The effectiveness of the Stalinist model is based on the unrealistic tension of plans and the severity of punishment for their failure to fulfill. The thought is not mine, the repost, so to speak, read it for a long time. But I agree with the meaning. I believe that everyone in life has come across a moment when, with sufficient motivation, new forces appear. (for example, a young sergeant growled in a young man’s training over his ear)

[Interface]

On the other hand, how to build a self-sufficient industry without stress?

[Nick]

Quote: mamont5

But without the slogan "Five-year plan in four years". The chronometer is the perfect movement. It is equally defective if it falls behind and if it hurries.

Such slogans appear when planning defects are manifested. I agree with you, it is advisable to work without errors, rhythmically, confidently, boring ... Without rush. If it is possible of course...

[KazaK Bo]

industrialization, or more broadly, the development of Russia is a goal that must be achieved, and as soon as possible.

Absolutely right! As in the article goals, the tasks are very important and necessary for the country! Hardly anyone will be against .... but ... !!!!
The question is - WHO WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF NEW INDUSTRIALIZATION ??? Liberal and very far from the economy, like his "right economic hand" - Deputy Prime Minister DVORKOVICH ??? NOT FUNNY, not even!
And second ... The same Deputy Prime Minister in charge of economic issues, DVORKOVICH, more than a year ago, in one of his interviews revealed that there are almost no "tasty and profitable" privatization objects left ... there is nothing to privatize ... and therefore the proceeds there is no money in the treasury.
If this team is entrusted with the SECOND INDUSTRIALIZATION ... then the Russian people will again, tearing their veins, fulfill the five-year plans in 3-4 years ... awards to the state were given ... Heroes were appropriated ... and now, for special services to top officials, they are REWARDED WITH PRODUCTION MEANS, ENTERPRISES AND FARMS!
Therefore ... along with the plan of new industrialization, it is necessary to adopt the LAW ON THE PROHIBITION OF INCLUDING THE AGAIN OF CREATED AGAIN PRODUCED CAPACITIES ACCORDING TO THE PLAN OF NEW INDUSTRIALIZATION FOR 30 - 50 YEARS after their commissioning!
Profits should go to the state, not to individuals!

[Was mammoth]

Quote: KazaK Bo

Profits should go to the state, not to individuals!

Sedition! You swung at the holiest under capitalism.
So, you will agree before the statement that Russia needs to return to the path of socialism If so, then I agree.
PS Alas, Russia does not have such an opportunity yet.

[g1v2]

Well, I consider the article a boltology. A bunch of common slogans and no specifics. We have industrial enterprises before the priests, we can build any plant, produce any products - from rockets to condoms. There is only one question - where to put products? Well, we will build a factory for the production of computers, for example, and in the store they will say that they are not needed in FIGs, maybe Amerovskys are more sophisticated and generally a brand, and Chinese ones are cheaper and what will you do with these computers? There AvtoVAZ saved only low prices and export duties, and now sales are less and less. Now most countries have specializations and we need to hit our target. What knowledge-intensive industries can we make our specialization? Well, let's think: it’s unambiguous, the space industry, aircraft building and shipbuilding {competition is high, but there are chances to squeeze the leaders}, mining equipment, nuclear energy, power equipment, freight and rail transport, metallurgy. Well, all this is developing, here we are strong and we need to invest here. And do not snort so contemptuously about the extraction and processing of raw materials - this is our strength, which makes those who do not have it dependent on us.

[g1v2]

Well, I consider the article a boltology. A bunch of common slogans and no specifics. We have industrial enterprises before the priests, we can build any plant, produce any products - from rockets to condoms. There is only one question - where to put products? Well, we will build a factory for the production of computers, for example, and in the store they will say that they are not needed in FIGs, maybe Amerovskys are more sophisticated and generally a brand, and Chinese ones are cheaper and what will you do with these computers? There AvtoVAZ saved only low prices and export duties, and now sales are less and less. Now most countries have specializations and we need to hit our target. What knowledge-intensive industries can we make our specialization? Well, let's think: it’s unambiguous, the space industry, aircraft building and shipbuilding {competition is high, but there are chances to squeeze the leaders}, mining equipment, nuclear energy, power equipment, freight and rail transport, metallurgy. Well, all this is developing, here we are strong and we need to invest here. And do not snort so contemptuously about the extraction and processing of raw materials - this is our strength, which makes those who do not have it dependent on us.

[Alexander_]

The country needs to be completely self-sufficient, in all directions, and not highly specialized. It’s not an easy task to link production to sales.

[mirag2]

There is only one way out: total cleaning of the left wing among civil servants. There are no options, because only then will industrialization and a decrease in the outflow of lave from the country be possible, as well as economic strengthening, without which it is now impossible to survive Russia!

[kashtak]

A curious interpretation of the liberals is the right wing, but do you need to clean the left? although I agree and the left too.

[Sergey S.]

And what about the left?
The left created an industrial USSR and a powerful workers 'and peasants' Red Army.
For the sake of personal gain, the rightists have ruined all this under the hooting of myahataskrai.

Only the left can ensure the planned steady development of the country for the benefit of the people.
But not the Social Democrats, like Gorbachev or Odanda, but the real Communists, such as Ho Chi Minh and Fidel and the Chinese leaders of recent years.

[Sanglier]

Ready to spite you add Pinochet, and even earlier, Franco. I can’t say about China, not my profile, but I’ll ask my colleague about Chinese communism.

[suomi76]

Yeah, Social Democrat.
As you know, Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev was a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and, moreover, he was a communist of the Stalinist draft. Like all those who signed the Bialowieza Agreement.
It is time to start paying attention to the facts. All the collapsed USSR were communists.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: suomi76

All the collapsed USSR were communists.

I would put quotation marks "communists". The abovementioned are not communists, but careerists

[the polar]

When an author with a clever air writes about "revolution from above" and the nationalization of the elites, "the article can certainly not be read, because the author does not know the basic laws of sociology and political economy.
You can wish your country a lot of good, there is nothing wrong with that, but if at the same time you hope for a "revolution from above" and "nationalization of the elites" (this phrase itself is completely meaningless), then it is better not to waste time from readers, but to engage in self-education

[kashtak]

With all due respect, Comrade Lenin has an opinion on this issue. do not remind whom he called communist with ..... whose?

[suomi76]

Those are the layers.
Why did the Communist Party become an organization of elevators in which they worked in such a way that they were headed by those whom Lenin mentioned.
Does this mean that the CPSU has become an ineffective structure, objectively ceasing to exist. What happens to organizations headed by people who want the destruction of these organizations. And finally, the most important question, as Comrade knows. Lenin welcomed the competition and discussions within the party. Well, tell me the name of the person who introduced complete unity of command and dependence on the leader, who subsequently played a fatal role.
Where were the communists in 1991, where was the basis and superstructure?

[kashtak]

I completely agree, you very precisely formulated how any centralized structure of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union did not have immunity from threats from within. as for the leader you are talking about, with all the merits, everything in the country was guided by him alone. With his departure in 1953, in the absence of a generally accepted successor, the country was on the verge of a civil war. by 1991 the mill was disorganized. did you mean that?

[Rodrigues]

The left can provide ... hmm. Leftists are only engaged in populism. And something I do not see among the giants of the economy, Cuba and Vietnam

[Interface]

Clearly!
So everyone will run over to the "centrists" !! They scrambled from the nobility, then fled from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to the Dem Soyuz, then from the Democratic Union to the United Russia in a jump.

[Canep]

Industrialization is certainly a good thing, the only question is who will do it. Officials ?, it is by definition that temporary workers in Transbaikalia will only dream of moving to Moscow, and until this happens they will steal. The oligarchs? - you don’t have to write further, and so everything is clear, they will plunder and run to London. Entrepreneurs of the middle hand remain, only forward you need to create a legislative framework that would not work as with the first and second. I see it this way, in any field there are businessmen who have work experience and desire to go up, give them a loan to buy back their own capital, and invest the rest of the money from the state, to create a joint-stock company in which part will belong to the entrepreneur and the rest will belong to the state, give him a project, guarantee orders for at least five years after the opening of the plant, and let him search for contractors and build the plant. Control over the targeted spending of money can be assigned to the bank, and in case of embezzlement, it will be responsible from its own funds. And after the opening of the plant, the state will still have a controlling or blocking stake, and the entrepreneur will be able to receive. It seems to me that such a scheme is more effective than a purely state-owned enterprise. In Kazakhstan, in any case, this scheme works. I myself am currently working at a factory built jointly by the entrepreneur and the state. But to provide the new plant with orders, planning at the state level, and preferably at the interstate, is necessary.

PS In Kazakhstan, industrialization is proceeding, though not at a Stalinist pace. During the years of independence, only 3 plants were opened in Ekibastuz, 2 large plants were opened in Pavlodar, an automobile industry appeared in Kazakhstan and now a second automobile plant is being built, they are planning to build an aircraft factory (maybe they are already building), it plans nuclear plant, and much more that I do not know.

[Vadivak]

Quote: mirag2

One way out is total cleaning

Only love and mass shootings will save the motherland

[Old Cynic]

That's what the Vadivak was blamed for, huh?
Comrade hesitated, and you, forum users ??? I am ashamed!
If you don’t have a sense of humor at all, you’d better not to say anything, you’ll be a smart guy.

And I will put Vadivak-u huge enormous plus !!!
Why, you ask?
I will answer: For the intelligence and sensory humor in the post!
And try to refute !!!

[97110]

Quote: Vadivak

Only love and mass shootings will save the motherland

Unfortunately, I can not exactly reproduce the words of Saltykov-Shchedrin, but we are talking about the fact that:
Trade destroyed, industry destroyed ... All from a lack of saving rigor ...
Should resort to the execution.
No need to worry so much, I do not demand to shoot everyone without exception. Not at all. It is necessary to shoot professors, students, silk-writers-scribblers and all who ... with an expression of face offend the eyes of well-meaning common people. Only.

[vladimirZ]

Everything rests on the political will of the country's top leadership.
... is the Kremlin ready to go for a “revolution from above”, a change in the liberal concept and “nationalization of the elite”
(from article)

There will be no industrialization of Russia and planned social and economic development of the state,
- if the liberal government of D. Medvedev, who does not know how and does not want to do anything, remains in power,
- if the leadership in the leadership will continue to be set by comprador oligarchs and corrupt government officials who have settled on power in Russia.

[anip]

Quote: VNP1958PVN

And there’s no other way, damn it!

And without sanctions, is a commodity economy good?

[Ural45]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... herrrreshchooo ...

[Sergey S.]

There is no other way out!
Sanctions URA !!!

Finally, the youth’s worthwhile business will appear.
Finally, show business will give primacy to the real economy.
Finally, Russian citizens are aware of the existence of a nationally oriented political will among the leadership.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Sergey S.

There is no other way out! URA sanctions !!! Finally, young people will have a worthwhile business. Finally, show business will give priority to the real economy. Finally, Russian citizens will recognize the existence of a nationally oriented political will among the leadership.

I would say this: Author Samsonov Alexander, you opened my eyes, alleluia, I see! Go fall in the forest, and become a prophet!

[222222]

On July 8, a hearing was held in the subcommittee on European affairs of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the US Senate on the topic "Re-focusing on the European Energy Security"
Speakers:
1. Amos Hochstein
U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Energy Diplomacy
Государственный департамент США
2. Hoyt Yee
US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs
Государственный департамент США
3. Edward Chow
Senior Researcher, Energy and National Security Program
Center for Strategic and International Studies
4. Brenda Schafer
Professor, Center for Russian, Eurasian and East European Studies
Georetown University
5. Edward Lucas
Senior Researcher and Executive Editor
Center for European Policy Analysis
6. Ambassador Andrash Simoni
Managing Director, Center for Transatlantic Relations
Paul H. Nitz School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University
Texts of speeches on the site:
http://www.foreign.senate.gov/hearings/renewed-focus-on-european-energy-07-08-14

p
The focus of the hearings is the same: - Russian gas, Ukraine, the third energy package of the European Union.
, substitution of Russian gas, construction of terminals for receiving liquefied gas in the Baltic and the Mediterranean Sea ... and the like ..
It should be noted that after the US Senate considered this topic (economic) on July 9, hearings were held there on the topic: "Russia and the Development of Ukraine" (Russia and Developments in Ukraine)
A clear link between economics and politics .. or how the US solves its economic problems ..
There is an economic war in full swing, a war against Russia .. Although yesterday, GDP called this phenomenon economic competition

[Canep]

Quote: 222222

July 8, Subcommittee for European Affairs, US Senate Foreign Relations Committee

And the Department of Energy has a real ban on energy supplies outside the United States, with the exception of Canada. And this committee subcommittee will not be able to lift this ban, and this ban is unlikely to be lifted since this will lead to the rise in energy prices in the US domestic market. So these hearings are transfusions from empty to empty, and this question, in principle, is not the competence of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

[Ural45]

Horseradish is not Radish, but still not sweeter.

[Xunta]

I agree with the first to the last word! Yes, and the situation oh how similar to the 30 year.

[darksoul]

There will be production, there will be everything, all the resources are there, our territory is such that you can impressively walk like a cat on a football field. We will isolate and not us, we will block the gas, let them switch to firewood, although we will also block firewood, we will block all firewood in Siberia, we will block oil, we will block the supply of valuable metals, we will block the passage over our territory

[snn]

From the beginning, you need to at least restore what you destroyed and move on, but with the education existing at this stage - this is not possible. In order to reach a decent level, it will take about 50 years. It is easier to break up than to create!

[Giant thought]

Industrialization of a country is a vector for a prosperous future of the country, a liberal economy is the path to colonization of our country by the West, i.e. ultimately to the death of Russia. Putin, if he really wants prosperity for our country, should urgently resign this government, appoint a patriot as prime minister, for example Glazyev, until the point of no return has not yet been passed.

[Wlad]

And besides Glazyev, who will be in the government? And who in the Central Bank? In the ministries, police, prosecutors, governors, the State Duma, the Federation Council?
So, as you say, "point of no return" ... Alone permutations do nothing already. Just because there are so many patriots where will Putin take? I think he hardly heard about you, as well as about many on this site ... And education needs appropriate. And where can I get it? A generation has grown up ... they cannot hammer in a nail, but it’s easy to steer the country at once!
So this is a process for years, years, years.

[alekc73]

The development of its own industry is life. Further curtailing the death of Russia in its current form.

[v_1]

+ Socialism and space exploration.

[Yellow white]

As my unit commander said:
-Move in the right direction!

IMHO, the very word "five-year plan" has become obsolete for a long time, can you think of something better?

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

You tell the Chinese about the obsolete planned economy ....... It’s just that you need the right head everywhere .............. You want to say that, for example, Toyota produces cars how many will be released? Everywhere there is a plan! It just has to be flexible and respond promptly to market changes ... Putin talked about this!

[Name]

Quote: Black and White

the word "five-year plan" has become obsolete for a long time, can you think of something better?

So after all, there is a "three-year", but; You will probably be satisfied ... After all, during the "five-year plans" everyone knew what to do, how and when!

[anip]

Quote: Black and White

IMHO, the very word "five-year plan" has become obsolete for a long time, can you think of something better?

And what difference does it make, what is the name of economic development planning? Whatever you call it, planning is necessary.

[kashtak]

you can come up with the name and the essence will not change. you agree that the direction is correct. suggest options?

[Ural45]

Blacker (n) whitewashed, in short, blocky, it’s me plus you. I feel sorry for you and tilka because you are sick, moreover on your head, which means forever. So enjoy the plus, like a dog in heat.

[97110]

Quote: Black and White

IMHO, the very word "five-year plan" has become obsolete for a long time, can you think of something better?

Yeah, they came up with a three-year plan and only on a budget.

[Skif83]

Everything was already there. No need to reinvent the wheel.
Take our experience of the 30-50s.
By the way, the activity of I.V. Stalin as a manager is now studying harvards with oxfords, because history does not know more efficiently of that period of the development of the USSR!

[kashtak]

as J.V. Stalin said, “the one who does nothing is not mistaken” and he is right, before repeating it is necessary to think over and take the best. and from the outside, too, you just need to carefully look at what to take.

[Consul-t]

It is necessary to carefully study the work and planning of our fathers and grandfathers. Especially the experience of Kosygin.
Such a country was first raised after the Civil War, over a dozen years.
Then after the Great Patriotic War they did a nice job. The first to fly into space, ahead of America, which had no war and devastation on its territory. At the same time, due to the Second World War, she received a good leap in the development of her industry. AND WE DID THEM !!! Our Gagarin, ours!
But, the main aspect that cannot be forgotten and where to start !!!
People do everything and you need to start with people. Training, education and upbringing!
The Iron Curtain is not needed, but to develop and set tasks on your patriotic television.
Remove liberal journalists from radio and television. And from the institutes where they are trained.))
We need the right movies, not Stalingrad Bondarchuk. He just needs to set his brains so that he shoots as he should.
And keep the defense from the west, because the corruption of the people will not be stopped, but only strengthened when they understand our actions.

[Altona]

Quote: Consul-t

The Iron Curtain is not needed, but to develop and set tasks on your patriotic television.
Remove liberal journalists from radio and television. And from the institutes where they are trained.))
We need the right movies, not Stalingrad Bondarchuk. He just needs to set his brains so that he shoots as he should.
And keep the defense from the west, because the corruption of the people will not be stopped, but only strengthened when they understand our actions.

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The issue of long-term planning requires a revision of the country's resources and its finances in order to know which human, raw materials, industrial and financial resources will have to rely on and how to mobilize them all in the right direction ... I'm not sure that someone will agree to give part of their "income "to reindustrialize the country ... In addition, a crowd of shopkeepers of all stripes will win, accustomed to resell and speculate ... Many problems arise, as in the transition from the NEP to industrialization 80 years ago ...

[kashtak]

experience Kosygin speak? it was during the reforms of Kosygin that, according to various estimates, from a quarter to a half of the economy went into the shadows. a shadow market of "pushers" has developed. as a result, the current corrupt oligarchy has developed and has destroyed the country. I agree with the rest.

[Signaller]

Yes, everything is correct and accurate. It's time, time. Yes, here is the question of the questions. And if not Putin comes to power as a result of the elections, but for example, whatever else. And then what????. All plans down the drain ???? He will write (Other) other decrees and we will go the other way. No one even stutters about this. There is still need to think and think how to take these plans and then who will implement them and whether there will be enough money for them.

[kashtak]

golden words, the succession of leadership is the first question. there is much to learn from China.

[Gray 43]

If only industrialization does not become another project like Skolkovo, then you can count on some shifts for the better, but any industry is an empty phrase without people, without trained personnel.

[CONTROL]

In one Soviet "production" play (and the movie was the same), the director of the giant plant asks the leading design engineer of the design bureau: - how does he, the director, differ from the foreman, say? the amount of work? the number of people subordinate to him? - and replies: no, WITH PRESENTATION! the foreman looks a week ahead, the head of the section - a month, the head of the shop - a quarter ... and the director - for years ... the director of that giant plant - must look 50 years ahead! and the president? and the ministers?
There was also a phrase in one movie (also Soviet - not an action movie, alas ...): "I report to the commander-in-chief for each quarter separately, and not for my whole life at once ..."
and you are the five-year plan! ...

[kashtak]

"and the president? and the ministers?" really a hundred? this is voluntarism, you propose unrealistic plans. But seriously, it is necessary not to foresee for many years to come, this is basically impossible, but to respond flexibly to changes and not once every five years, but constantly. By the way, about this your second phrase, no?

[demotivator]

Under Medvedev, there was only talk about modernization. The matter ended with talk. Now they are talking about new industrialization. It’s necessary. But who will carry it out, what kind of personnel who "decide everything"?

“Russia is a model of a state where people are out of place. Most of the appointments in the administration are a scandal, a challenge to public opinion. And when a mistake is sometimes noticed, it is impossible to fix it: the prestige of the authorities does not allow this. ”

This was said not in 2014, but in 1915. This is a Duma speech by lawyer V.A. Maklakova. Without a sharp change in the current cadre and a cleaning of the upper echelons with a new industrialization, it will be exactly the same as with modernization.

[anip]

Quote: demotivator

Without a sharp change in the current cadre and a cleaning of the upper echelons with a new industrialization, it will be exactly the same as with modernization.

Who will change and clean something?

[kaa_andrey]

The revolution in the economic segment of Russia is long overdue. The dependence on the oil needle has turned the country into a "drug addict", it is impossible to get rid of such dependence without "withdrawal". However, doctors represented by elite groups are not capable and do not want to give up this addiction. They then get high.
There are no revolutions from the top, it is possible exclusively from the bottom.

"There is no more dangerous person who is alien to the human, who is indifferent to the fate of his native country, to the fate of his neighbor, to everything except the fate of the Altyn put into circulation by him."
Mikhail Evgrafovich Saltykov-Shchedrin

[Kindof]

Unless, of course, you are going to initiate this revolution,
I would use the term evolution
Evolution is the result of mutations under the influence of external factors.
What is about to happen now

[Signaller]

So in pursuit, so that it was clear. In Moscow, Luzhkov ruled - they built the fourth transport ring. Money swollen sea. Design work for 83 billion paid (according to the newspaper MK), and then Sobyanin was chosen or appointed. He didn’t like it and he decided to turn this whole loopback around, they began to develop chord projects. And what about Luzhkov’s plans ???? Yes, something remains and finish, but in general, acted in Russian, just left.

[parusnik]

Current officials are simply not able to solve such problems.
I completely agree .. That construction is necessary, land .. until you knock it out .. under construction a project .. which must undergo an examination .. and this all the time .. It was possible to carry out industrialization in the USSR, in modern Russia it is not possible .. enemy of industrialization - legislation of the Russian Federation ... And such legislation suits an official .. you can fill your pocket ..

[Million]

we don’t teach workers professions, we only have institutes, but universities. And if a vocational school student means mentally retarded or ... This is our internal state policy

[pahom54]

And the article is well written, and Putin’s ideas are good. More than sure, many of us (at least the generation I belong to myself) have long thought about this in their kitchen sofas.
It says: you need to turn to the experience of Stalin. So guys, think about it, in the days of Stalin, in the first place, there was actually a dictatorship and a more or less united team of leaders. And now?
Industrialization is simply necessary, absolutely necessary, BUT with whom and by what forces to carry it out today? !!!
The article clearly states that the current leadership is not in a position (and also without a desire) to lead such a process as industrialization. At the moment, the conversation that in the next 5-7 years it can be held is hatred and an empty dog ​​nonsense.
It is also necessary to take into account the factor that they already want to destroy us (!!!) in any way, and the reason is that Russia began to rise from the knees on which Gorbach and EBNutyi fell.
Grow, grow up, grow stronger - It is necessary, oh how it is necessary!
BUT in modern conditions, in the absence of the governing role of the state (we will not say the party, but really the state) in business, the economy - how to do this ???
Well, here we go back to the idea of ​​dictatorship and at least socialism ... And that means - to nationalization of the bowels and production capacities, and to a strong leader with a strong team.
As a result, running in a circle ... Who will let you do this? !!! ...

[anip]

Quote: pahom54

... and Putin’s ideas are good.

And how does this compare with yours:

Quote: pahom54

The article clearly states that the current leadership is not in a position (and also without a desire) to lead such a process as industrialization.

Putin is not a guide?

Quote: pahom54

Russia began to rise from its knees

In which place?

Quote: pahom54

again we return to the idea of ​​dictatorship and at least socialism ... And that means - to the nationalization of mineral resources and production capacities, and to a strong leader with a strong team.
As a result, running in a circle ... Who will let you do this? !!! ...

Exactly, who will give something? Is it Putin, for which most throats are tearing here?

[pahom54]

for anip
You ask - in what place Russia began to rise from its knees ??? Remember the 90s ... In my opinion, there is something to compare ...
How to correlate Putin and the elite who do not know how to govern? Simple. Putin is today the undisputed political leader, and he has a desire to see Russia as an economically and militarily powerful power, that is, he is a patriot. BUT!!! God knows who belongs to the elite ... I would not like to mention such as Chubais, but something also allows him to stay afloat ... But do not forget about the fifth column of the "chosen people" - and they are there, unfortunately, the majority, as well as the saboteurs forced into the government ... And you don't have to go far - Putin is allegedly guilty of everything - and you look how you (if you are not an oligarch) and the people around you live - is Putin to blame for this ?? ? No, the mayors chosen by you and any other poeb..e..n, which you also chose yourself!
We personally argue with you, bark to anything. You need to bark at those who prevent our state and people from developing and living better ...

[anip]

Quote: pahom54

Remember the 90s ... In my opinion, there is something to compare ...

I remember well the 70s and 80s. In my opinion, there is also something to compare.

Quote: pahom54

But do not forget about the fifth column of the "chosen people" - and there are, unfortunately, the majority of them, as well as saboteurs forced into the government ...

In fact, saboteurs were not well understood in times not so distant. What is stopping now? One farce, as with a former defense minister.

Quote: pahom54

and you see how you (if you are not an oligarch) and the people around you live - is Putin to blame for this ???

Not an oligarch. Fucking live. Yes, including Putin. Including its multi-billion debt write-offs to all countries.

Quote: pahom54

No, the mayors you have chosen and any other fucking ... e..n that you yourself have chosen!

Already said yes. And yes, and mayors, and deputies, etc. also. However, with a clear conscience, I can say that I did not choose anyone who is now in power. He chose those who are not in power. Oh how.

[pahom54]

for anip
As I understand it, you and I are thinking about the same thing about the same, but we don’t understand each other.
Do you disagree that today Putin is a recognized political leader? So I emphasize - compared to the previous ones ...
And I also said that there are incomprehensible reasons why such a city, but like Chubais and the like, remains afloat ...
And now just really think so: if you were the president, could you do something without your entourage, without breaking your neck? This is it ... We do not know - and we will never know - what forces brought Putin to the "throne", they simply do not get there. And it was not the eternally drunk EBN who did it, I'm sure of that.
So why should we dive with you? We argue according to the "sofa", in warmth and coldness, the highest strata of politics are unknown to us ...
And the conversation was about the industrialization of the country, and we turned to Putin ...
So it’s just that Putin is up to her, and not Gorbach’s with EBNuty !!! What are we arguing about ??? !!!

[Committee]

All techies shout about it! This had to be started a long time ago, even before Bolotnaya!

[Temer]

Without tech specialists, nothing will roll out, but, unfortunately, we have been stubbornly creating a society of managers for the last 20 years. Our youth was taught to work with hands, and, most importantly, to think with their heads. What is this young socialist engineer who cannot read the simplest drawing ??

[Committee]

Without tech specialists, nothing will roll out,

not so scary, in mathematics to pull them up, they will work. In Compass, AutoCAD, the guys are pretty good. On complex machines, they also work well. there is interest - there is a return.

[Temer]

Only here the desire to work with them was repulsed.

[red rocket]

the revival of Russia, this is future prosperity, and vitality is strange !!!

[Kindof]

+100 in the article the correct message
But in addition to competent strategic planning, there are other equally important factors:
"Cadres decide everything" - thesis of J. V. Stalin
And the beginning of the country's breakthrough is associated precisely with 1) the creation of a NEW administrative elite - the administration of passionaries cut off from education under the tsar under the law "on cook's children" in the era of Khrushchev's "thaw" was called mass repressions ...
Only a set of measures can solve the problem of industrialization

[skurchaev]

Instead of a talking room, one has to get down to business for a long time. Need a second Stalin. With current officials, thieves, industrialization cannot be revived. All stolen.

[voyaka uh]

“The experience of the Stalinist empire contains points of growth for the future, and not only for Russia.
No wonder China pays great attention to the study of the Stalin era, especially in
the sphere of economics. The Western world studied in the Soviet five-year plans "///

Auto RU:
You would ask how the Stalinist industrialization was carried out.
Read, for example: http://archi.ru/lib/publication.html?id=1850569787
"Albert Kahn in the history of Soviet industrialization"
The Americans in the first five-year plan completely designed, transported to the USSR
and installed about 500 leading factories, including all aviation, tractor-tank,
motors - the entire military-industrial complex of the USSR.
Or here:
http://militera.lib.ru/research/pravda_vs-1/14.html
"Kahn's firm designed between 1929 and 1932 521 (according to other sources - 571) objects.
These are primarily tractor (that is, tank) factories in Stalingrad, [341] Chelyabinsk,
Kharkov, Tomsk; aircraft manufacturing plants in Kramatorsk and Tomsk; car factories
in Chelyabinsk, Moscow, Stalingrad, Nizhny Novgorod, Samara; blacksmith shops in Chelyabinsk,
Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kolomna, Lyubertsy, Magnitogorsk, Nizhny Tagil, Stalingrad;
machine-tool plants in Kaluga, Novosibirsk, Upper Solda; rolling mill in Moscow;
foundries in Chelyabinsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Kolomna, Lyubertsy, Magnitogorsk,
Sormovo, Stalingrad; machine shops in Chelyabinsk, Lyubertsy, Podolsk, Stalingrad,
Sverdlovsk; Thermal Power Station in Yakutsk; steel and rolling mills in Kamensky,
Kolomna, Kuznetsk, Magnitogorsk, Nizhny Tagil, Verkhny Tagil, Sormovo; Leningrad Aluminum Plant; Ural asbestos factory and many others {478}

[Uncle lee]

To implement these plans, smart leaders and competent performers are needed. Not those, not others, I don’t see; around are some effective managers.

[Stalnov I.P.]

Ask yourself what the current government is doing, how many years our normal economists have been talking about the development of the economy and industry in particular, but the Gaidar-Chubais-Kudrinsky doctrine has stuck to our power so much that they cannot even raise their ass to change the situation. . Where is our president, I’m not talking about the prime minister and the government, empty boltology, a club called INTER-MILITARY, the interests of the country in last place, the green paper turned a blind eye. Coordinate decisions on the development of the country are needed, only so tough decisions, then there will be a result, not 2%, not 3% of GDP in 2016-17, the inglorious babble of our government.

[97110]

Quote: I.P. Stalnov.

Need coordinating solutions

Recently, there have been so many neologisms, vahvarisms, that not everything is clear. What does this mean?

[vladsolo56]

Planning in a market economy is impossible, in the West they have tried more than once to apply planning, and all is useless. Planning can only be under strict state control of all key production and economic processes. With uncontrollable price increases, how can long-term planning be built? Indeed, the implementation of plans should be mandatory, while this should be linked to a market economy, and if not mandatory, then why make people laugh. In fact, any attempts to introduce long-term planning are again inflating the apparatus of useless officials. The introduction of new reports and, as a result, inspectors, and with all the ensuing. When the cat has nothing to do, so are our officials, instead of working to do nonsense.

[pahom54]

for vladsolo56
And here you are wrong !!! I also thought that planning in a market economy is impossible. However, when Jimmy Carter was the President of the United States in Kiev (I don’t remember, in my opinion, in 1978) there was a state agricultural exhibition, and I visited it while passing through. And I was wildly amazed - it turns out that agriculture (farming, that is, private) in the United States is regulated by the state, and how! And then I thought: we, in the USSR, would have such a system - and agriculture would feed the whole world. It takes a long time to tell, the only difference in the names was that we had "planned production" and "five-year plans" (they did not have five-year plans), and they had "state regulation" ...
So now, with a competent approach and the presence of political will, with this pseudo-market economy, significant success can be achieved ...

[vladsolo56]

Do not confuse state regulation and state planning, especially since their state regulation is based on the fact that agriculture was subsidized, and still happens in many ways. So planning to solve state problems requires not just state regulation, but also state control, I already explained in the market, when the state got out of production, it’s not serious to plan something. In planning at the state level, thousands of different indicators should be taken into account, including energy, natural resources, transport, components, labor, and much more, and all this must be interconnected and guaranteed to be calculated. What guarantees are we talking about in a market economy? in general, all this stupidity and another expansion of the apparatus of officials.

[Roshchin]

Large-scale new industrialization of the country after 2 decades of deindustrialization and taking away the legacy of the USSR is possible only when equally large-scale statesmen are at the helm of the state. On the one hand, there is an unyielding political will and specific goals, and on the other, the persistent work of the executive branch, the leaders of strategic industrial associations. What we don’t have or we don’t know how we ourselves can buy and build with the help of others. It would be good for the country and that everything worked for the development and welfare of the people and not for a handful of parasites. If we assume that the president is in line with us, then what do we know about his entourage, whether he has associates loyal to the country. Talking about the executive branch only spoils the mood. What is the statement of the LADY: "We must in every possible way get rid of state. Property." What else can you talk about? A country like Russia does not even feed itself. The village shop sells cabbage from Israel and potatoes from Egypt. "Nanosuccess" all sore mouth. Raw money dissolves with impunity in corruption schemes. So that the point will not be in the bobbin, i.e. not in plans but in who sits in the cockpit.

[Venier]

Look! They returned to the five-year plan, remembered about long-term planning. That's right, you need to return the good! And to raise, it is necessary to raise industry and the economy.

[vladsolo56]

How do you imagine that? first you need to return the state economy, who will do it?

[chunga-changa]

Man is always looking for where is better. The first industrialization was carried out by moving farm workers to cities, which was an improvement in their living conditions and an increase in status. Now, at the expense of whom are they planning to carry it out? Managers will not go to workers. There are two ways out. To take on specialties only with secondary specialized and higher education, this will increase the status of workers. Or at the expense of visitors from unsuccessful surrounding countries, which will further lower the status of workers, but will provide cheap workers in any quantities. Given that low-skilled manual work, unlike the 20-30s, is no longer required, it would be more correct to go the first way. Given our realities will go in the second.

[papa-billy]

Long-term planning is good. The development of the country's industrial base is simply necessary. Maybe thanks to sanctions, finally, we will get off the oil needle

[Coconut Tima]

Give vocational schools, engineers and other techies instead of "effective managers" !!!

[Samsebenaum]

Again with a delay of 15-20 years, it came to slow-thinking.
That's for sure, until the roasted rooster pecks ...
Another question: who and how will restore the economic model of the USSR?
Spoiled by big money and lazy managers? These will "restore" ...
Or maybe Zyuganov will be entrusted with this matter? Let him assemble the team and go.
Although, I feel, this is a bastard undertaking. You will not enter the same river twice.

[zav]

Everything rests on the political will of the country's top leadership. The question is whether the Kremlin is ready to go for a “revolution from above”, a change in the liberal concept and “nationalization of the elite”.

Not ready

[Anchonsha]

Judging by the comments, what kind of mess is in our head, but it's not bad that we are starting to think and many are already trying to take into account the opinion of the neighbor. Everything should be in the state like in Noah’s ark, everyone is different, but got along, considered the opinions of others. So we need to reckon: remove the liberals, get the dictatorship, leave the liberals alone, lose the country and the people will be poor.

[zav]

In my opinion, dictatorship in Russia is the most win-win option.

[AlNikolaich]

I read, I thought ... The main problem is people!
As colleagues on the site previously wrote, social elevators and social garbage chutes are important for draining
"effective managers", and raising managers capable of working!
And without this, without a thorough personnel policy of the state, the new Aleksey Nikolaevich Kosygin
will vegetate as a foreman in some sort of village ...

[netwalker]

I'm afraid that we simply have no other choice. We are crushed from all sides and the Americans will sooner or later achieve a ban on the sale of many products to us. Thus, we simply do not have a way out of the rise in production within our country.

[Nyrobsky]

For 23 years, the liberals reformers have been strenuously making Russia a testing ground for the absorption of Western goods. Not only factories were destroyed, entire industries were destroyed. An ordinary person was given a simple thought - "why spend money on something that can be bought ready-made and of better quality", thus WE financed THEM and developed THEIR economy. The process of utilization of factories, by the Gaidar people "was put on stream. The factories, in order to survive, took loans at 200% per annum, but in the end they went bankrupt, bought up for next to nothing, their assets were sold, premises and workshops were leased at best. at worst, they fell apart and were demolished for construction. During this time, colossal damage was caused to vocational education and higher engineering education. Only those professions that are necessary for servicing the "pipe" remained in demand in the Russian open spaces. Everything would have gone on if it had not aggravation of relations between Russia and the West, when the state felt its vulnerability and dependence on the whims of its “partners.” It's good that happened today, and not 15-20 years later. WE have seen the light. We just need to correctly dot the I ... In the government there is a decent (obscenely) bloc of pro-Western liberals who continue their "effectively-creating ... destructive" policy. A recent attempt to "reform It’s good that Putin broke these plans to get the “Russian Academy of Sciences and put it under control” like effective managers (the essence of bark beetles and pumps). Tireless attempts to carry out a second wave of privatization of state property and reduce the role of the state in the process of managing it suggest that the main task of these "government managers" is not creation or new industrialization, but the final destruction of the state's survival mechanisms. There is a very serious confrontation in the Kremlin now - between Putin's team and Medvedev's team, hence the slipping (and in fact ignoring or sabotaging) the implementation of the presidential decrees in May. So, for successful reforms, it is necessary to replace the government block, which in the current political situation in the world cannot be painless for Russia itself - the moment is not suitable. Although it seems to me to "properly stimulate" the work of the government - to arrange a demonstrative and open shake-up of this bloc with the resignation of a couple of "especially effective" ones would be very useful ...

[Samsebenaum]

Nyrobsky
I strongly doubt some kind of struggle between the VVP and DAM teams. Sabotage, etc. is a good "excuse" in case of mistakes and mistakes. LADY at the guarantor's court - switchman on duty.
And to put it simply, not cleverly, the old system was destroyed, and what to do next, we don’t understand, we don’t know how, we don’t learn. So the processes in Russia flow like a big river and it washes away everything flimsy, clumsy in its path. And the reforms and plans and ideas are fabulous.
"No guys, it's not like that ...."

[Samsebenaum]

I propose to model this new economic policy.
In the Smolensk region to carry out industrialization. She is constantly in last place on the main indicators. From the past - there was almost nothing left. Enterprises - the cat cried, except for shopping centers nothing is being built.
A wonderful platform for the experiment.

[Cristall]

you need a tough leader for internal problems (it is his determination with staff and officials about work)
Need to re-learn (education)
It is necessary to shake up Russia as a fur coat (Peter 1) old and stale ...
Well, first of all, to figure out how to do this in a consumer economy - when the accustomed population does not want to undertake any feats ... But several generations will be "in an uncomfortable situation"

[zoknyay82]

Quote: mirag2

There is only one way out: total cleaning of the left wing among civil servants. There are no options, because only then will industrialization and a decrease in the outflow of lave from the country be possible, as well as economic strengthening, without which it is now impossible to survive Russia!

And where are the fighters for "social justice" to see prices, why, they squeezed all the lave, vnature?

[koksalek]

It was always clear to my generation that only the prosperity of their industry would allow them to dictate and not live under dictation. It is a pity while the authorities are doing everything to thrive their business in the form of all kinds of shopping centers, the power of traders at no rate do nothing to maintain production.

[Gardamir]

Now then finally realized that the USSR was wasted in vain? Both collectivization and industrialization were needed. And as life shows, it was not the Soviet Union that fenced itself off from the west with an iron curtain, but the west hung this curtain. Now they are trying to do the same again (to enclose Russia as in a reservation).

[lenamir]

Mr. Samsonov! The author of the article! And you probably discovered America ?! It was necessary to write this article when the union fell apart .... and you probably applauded Yeltsin! ...

[RU-Officer]

Quote: Vadivak

Only love and mass shootings will save the motherland

Well, why are you minus? Humorous problems? "Click" on the author - not many have such a rating and experience. I got tired, maybe, well, I wanted to joke ...

[Yuri Bogdanov]

beginning-Reduced exchange rate of the stimulated export of surplus goods (added and intellectual value) from developed economies to highly developed countries, in which overproduction crisis (rather than a financial crisis), in developed countries, during the crisis, the living standards of pensioners increase due to lower prices on the domestic market (in Russia it is exactly the opposite), because
With a decrease in the ruble exchange rate, a decrease in the share of labor costs in the cost of production is compensated by a sharp increase in the share of material and energy costs in the cost of goods, we produce. in the Russian Federation because of the 2-3 times higher prices for energy resources in the Russian Federation, compared with the prices for them in developed countries, In Norway, the price is 1 liter benz. = 86 rubles, and the average salary = 180 thousand rubles, in Russia the price is 1 liter .benz = 31 rubles, and the average salary = 27 thousand rubles, i.e. the parity price is 1 liter. gasoline in the Russian Federation should be = 86 rubles / (180 thousand rubles / 27 thousand rubles) = 86 thousand rubles / 6,7 = 12,8 rubles. In Germany, the price of 1 kWh = 12,5 rubles, and the average salary = 120 thousand. rubles, in Russia the price is 1 kWh = 4,7 rubles, and the average salary = 27 thousand rubles, i.e. the parity price of 1 kWh in the Russian Federation should be = 12,5 rubles (120 thousand rubles / 27 thousand rubles) = 12,5 , 4,4rub / 2,84 = XNUMXrub, i.e. destruction occurs
agriculture, the robbery of hired workers of the real economy, pensioners through indirect taxation (fraud introduced in the rank of law), the reduction of the real sector of the economy and the undermining of economic security of the state and relocated. added value (money) from the Subject. to the federal budget. In all developed. countries the main task of the executive power and forces. structure-ensuring the right of priority. used, mineral and biological resources of the country, the right to pay direct taxes of citizens of one’s own countries, and in the Russian Federation it exercises executive power and power structures, for the right to fill the gut (intestinal whoredom), securing the right to use mineral and biological first and foremost. resources of the Russian Federation, citizens of foreign countries, denying this right to 80% of citizens. In the times of the USSR, even in a criminal environment, the highest measure of moral humiliation (rinsing a person in a water lock of a toilet bowl) was used to convict those who were engaged in such activities. In this case, I do not mean military men, but a politician. leadership of the Russian Federation, which poses them with such tasks. In the Russian Federation, the main profession of the head of state and 70% of the Security Council are farmers in raising (female dogs, rats and provocateurs) among foreign citizens of the state (EXCITERS OF THE NORTH CAPITAL), and they, having caught rams, turned our country into this Farm.

[Yuri Bogdanov]

continuation-Bast body executes.power, removed from the control of the owner-people in the person
Parliament by the sovereign's eye (prosecutor's office), controlled by parliament,
automatically transformed into org.prest.gruppir. Independent of parliament, the judiciary
It will be pressed by the organized crime group or special services and will also become an organized crime group, and since in the Russian Federation it is not the parliament that forms the executive body, but the parliament, it turns into a congregation
opposing organized groupings (parties) which are promoted in parliaments
party lists not represented by the people, but will represent the business, judicial, executive power-which.
carried out his activity, not according to the standards of civil ethics, but according to the norms of business and the norms of official.
ethics, i.e. with deviations towards immorality from the general city. ethics standards.
What needs to be done to increase socially active, morals, patriotism, incomes of citizens of the Russian Federation,
reduce corruption in the country and increase the fear of citizen contributions. * I was surprised that the sex of the country, ourselves or the neighbors, went through the zones, and the thief was different from the rat. Collecting property and redistributing it into a personal interest. Rat-citizen, yavl. co-owned or disposed of a collective owner, redistributing him into a personal interest. Dog of a female genius (traitor) - a citizen. Intelligent production in production secrecy, sec., for service use and use in personal inter, to the detriment of society. A citizen scout who did not show a collective intelligent product, in the mode of secret, secret, for the service of using foreign countries and redistributing part of this product to the interest of his own state. Therefore, a thief is so different from a rat as a scout from a traitor. A thief and a scout (from the point of view of the opposite side) are criminal professions, a rat and a traitor (a female dog) are the highest form of moral decay of a person. Therefore, in the USSR, in China and friend countries of thieves and scouts were planted, and the rats and traitors (dogs of the female genus) were driven into the head by olives. One can treat a thief with respect, but as an adversary, he never acts as a rat (corruption), because the thief commits less immorality. an offense than rats (corruption). There is a proverb - a thief to the cop is not a comrade, and there is a continuation of the proverb - but a rat (corruption), a female feminine dog (corruption), provocate. invest not (app.) shameful, not invest in (common fund) ) the budget is the same as stealing (ratting) from the (common fund) budget, so citizens are committed on such crimes, US citizens and other developed countries are immediate. in law enforcement agencies and this is not considered to be squealing. You can amnesty a thief who does damage to 1 citizen, and anemize (a rat or a dog of a female genus) that harms thousands of citizens never, and do not let this nonsense increase your income .fix. (dogs. female. genus, rats and provocate.). There is a saying that if a citizen became moral. - (dogs. female. rat, rat, provocate.), then it’s always and you can’t fix it either how salaries are raised and history is developed. The Russian Federation confirms this axiom.

[Yuri Bogdanov]

end-Moscow (rat-city) and political leadership of the Russian Federation (female dogs) - a parasite sitting on export-import flows, artificially monopolizing this right. Moscow is the main source of undermining economic and anti-terrorism
security of the Russian Federation. Moscow is the main promoter of population segregation by territorial
featured, the main destroyer of the unity of the country's civil society and territorial
integrity of the Russian Federation. To reduce the level of corruption, increase the income of citizens of the Russian Federation, increase the income of funds to pension funds, to the budgets of municipal governments and constituent entities of the Russian Federation, reduce and stop this destructive influence of Moscow. in Russia it is necessary to sharply reduce the rate of $ to 10 rubles, at the same time sharply reducing the mineral extraction tax and export duties on the export of mineral and biological resources of the Russian Federation at the same time, while reducing these volumes (i.e., a limited quota for exporting these resources). Reduce the rate from 3% from 3% to 5,5% Refinancing. Cancel VAT (which excludes VAT refunds on export of resources), replacing it with a value added tax, increasing salaries with a progressive tax (as in the USA) and endowing this patriotic right and duty with the president, prime minister, ministers, deputies, military , federal and municipal employees, Muscovites, sportsmen, artists and non-Russian nationals, the increased profits should be taxed 1,75% (as in the USA), volume. profits transferred to the parent company are taxed 38% (as in the USA), the amount of profit is directed to the payment of dividends, added to the annual income of shareholders and it will fall into the upper zone of progressive personal income tax = 30% -38% (as in the USA), at the same time, to allow enterprises of the real sector of the economy accelerated depreciation of equipment (as in the USA), profits allocated to Corporate.Pens.Funds and invested. corporats stocks are not taxed on profits, but are taxed with a 45% tax on the increase in the value of the shares when workers retire (as in the USA) long money appears, which encourages them to direct their profits to modernize production rather than pay dividends and buy foreign . Real estate, the purchase of yachts, the purchase of foreign football clubs, In the representative body. authorities will be elected. not only representative business, federal and municipal services, but also representatives of other sections of the population, living. to mode. obshchegrazhd.norm ethics. Regards ex. an officer of the most democratic structure of the USSR, by definition of modern democrats, i.e., by the number of public organizations-KSSUR, KKMR, etc. per 15 citizen of the USSR.

[vovan50]

"Experts note that the Soviet experience can help the Russian Federation, and the idea of" five-year plans "is correct. But before proceeding to strategic planning, it is necessary to break the liberal concept. This is task No. 1 for the supreme power of Russia. In fact, Russia needs a" revolution from above "and "Nationalization of the elite."
100% in favor!

[vladsolo56]

It doesn’t reach people that planning in a market economy is impossible; fiction will be, not planning.

[Gardamir]

Perhaps the top begins to reach. that a third force appears. Not Navalnians and Putiners, but those who simply love their Motherland. For us they return the title of the hero of labor (why?), Or the GTO champion in eating hamburgers. They are sincerely convinced that the more imitations of the USSR there are, the more we will be satisfied. And we need a little, so that there is justice, so that there is a strong country in which you can do whatever you want, and not what you have enough money for ...

[Bator79]

Before the War, Stalin made industrialization in 10 years, which the West went through in 100 years. As the Leader said, "Otherwise we will be crushed ..."

[waisson]

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