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New middle-range rocket complex “Halberd” to appear in Belarus

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A model of a medium-range anti-aircraft missile system (SAM), under the conditional name “Halberd”, will be created very soon in Belarus. About it BelaPAN the representative of the Belarusian State Committee for Military Industry Vladimir Lavrenyuk informed.

New middle-range rocket complex “Halberd” to appear in Belarus


He noted that this complex “is distinguished by increased mobility, noise immunity, reliability, survivability and short response time based on new technical solutions”.

According to Lavrenyuk, "the element base of the complex is the most modern, with a high degree of integration." The complex will be equipped with a new day-night optical system (a thermal imager and a TV) with good performance. Hundreds of adjustments are excluded, all adjustments will be made automatically. The complex is highly mobile, since its launchers will be placed on semi-trailers.

The representative of the GVPK also said that the defense enterprises in the interests of foreign customers "mastered overhaul with the modernization of the Buk missile system to the level of Buk-MB, Osa to the level of Osa-1T, T38 Stilet, C-125 to level "Pechora-2T" and combat aircraft anti-aircraft missile complex "Strela-10M" to the level "Strela-10BM2" ". Work is also underway on a number of other projects.

Lavrenyuk said that the modernization of these samples makes it possible to use them "in conditions of intensive radio resistance." This is achieved by "introducing equipment on a solid-state element base, increasing mobility, noise immunity, autonomy, and improving tactical and technical characteristics."

Recall that President Lukashenko recently set before the defense enterprises the task of creating a domestic anti-aircraft complex, not inferior in performance to the Russian C-300. Lukashenko stressed that the repair and modernization is not bad, but gradually it is necessary to approach the creation.

“On this basis, you need to create your own complex, and it should be no worse than C-300. So you think what he will have a rocket. The main thing is that it is effective and hit any target. All the plants began sometime with repairs, then they were engaged in modernization, and then they went on their own samples. Your task is to get a new modern here. weapon for our defense and for export
said the president of Belarus.
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  1. GRAY
    GRAY 9 July 2014 16: 59
    +34
    I do not understand what it costs in the shop, ISU-152 or what?
    1. ispaniard
      ispaniard 9 July 2014 17: 04
      +16
      Offset, I also noticed. Maybe Butsk on ISUse-152 moves to increase the effect in Belarus?)))
      1. Stalker
        Stalker 9 July 2014 17: 11
        +15
        Offset, I also noticed. Maybe Butsk on ISUse-152 moves to increase the effect in Belarus?)))

        Apparently this is a museum. Do not drag everyone to a sensitive object. Here is a photo of ISU - 152 only from the other side. Only in the photo in the article are additional fuel tanks added. It is possible that the car is used in parades and filming.
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      3. major071
        major071 9 July 2014 17: 48
        +20
        In the 1992 year in Bishkil (the training center of the ChVTKU was) I saw two ISU-152 going under their own power towards the shooting range. Was in full ah .. how I went nuts then! laughing This is really "St. John's wort". By the way, they are still in our custody. good
      4. Akvadra
        Akvadra 9 July 2014 17: 58
        +5
        Quote: ispaniard
        Offset, I also noticed. Maybe Butsk on ISUse-152 moves to increase the effect in Belarus?)))

        Smiled. But a photo from another event. But without highly reliable air defense, freedom cannot be seen. It's like in a village without a gun ...
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    3. Lexx
      Lexx 9 July 2014 17: 04
      +1
      Yeah, or SU-152, or ISU-152
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 9 July 2014 17: 11
        +2
        Well, no one says that this photo was not taken in a museum. So, they stuck Rygorich, which was closer.
      2. Wing
        Wing 9 July 2014 23: 03
        0
        ISU hodovka
    4. Rblipetsk
      Rblipetsk 9 July 2014 17: 08
      +8
      Quote: GRAY
      I do not understand what it costs in the shop, ISU-152 or what?

      looks like a platform for the new air defense system wink
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 9 July 2014 17: 12
      +4
      Belarusians do not want Russian weapons. What let them do it themselves, but why once again create a bicycle.
      1. herruvim
        herruvim 9 July 2014 17: 24
        +2
        "On this base, you need to create your own complex, and it should be no worse than the S-300. Therefore, think about what kind of missile it will have. The main thing is that it is effective and can hit any target. All factories once started with repairs, then were engaged in modernization, and then came out on their own models, "the head of state noted." Your task is to get new modern weapons here for our defense and for export, "he said. The President set the task that more than one an enterprise or even a department. The task should be implemented jointly with the participation of all stakeholders. "Set a task for other enterprises: for electronics, optics, and strike complexes, weapons must be created," Lukashenko said.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 9 July 2014 18: 52
          +2
          Dad says business. Although they can receive the latest air defense systems from Russia, but what the hell is not joking, they can create something completely unique in their niche.
          1. Alez
            Alez 9 July 2014 21: 32
            +1
            While the Belarusians will create a complex no worse than the S-300, they will already produce the S-500 (they are already testing by the way. So the Belarusians in the role of 2 generations behind
      2. armageddon
        armageddon 9 July 2014 17: 38
        +1
        Hmm ... I think the Belarusians are CORRECTLY doing !!! And orders to the defense industry ... AND CAN create something good !!! Allies all the same ... Well, if something ... Russia is always NEARBY !!!
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 9 July 2014 17: 49
          +8
          I’m unlikely to like my statement ... but I personally don’t believe Old Man ... too many shy things in different directions ... fussy like a petty crook! IMHO
          1. major071
            major071 9 July 2014 18: 16
            +9
            You are a little wrong. I hope I don’t discover America, but Lukashenko himself is a very ambitious person. Yes, he mainly supports Russia, because without it, Belarus will be crushed altogether, but at the same time wants more freedom, wants to depend on Russia as little as possible. In world society, Belarus is considered completely dependent on Russia, and which ruler will like it? Moreover, Lukashenko. This is where all the shyness comes from. As if to show that he is an independent ruler and does not depend on anyone. hi
            1. Buivol
              Buivol 9 July 2014 18: 59
              +9
              You have forgotten another fundamental factor - the Russian "brothers" and their attempts to squeeze and cut the state enterprises that have remained untouched since Soviet times. Here you want it or not, but you will shy away from such "allies".
              1. avg
                avg 9 July 2014 23: 07
                +1
                Quote: Buivol
                Here you want it or not, but you will shy away from such "allies".

                Rumble like Lukashenko from Russian oil?
                Or the opportunity to earn money on modernization using free access to the intellectual property of Russian design bureaus? And now they are to compete? wink
            2. Gado
              Gado 9 July 2014 20: 53
              +5
              Can you give me an example of an independent state, absolutely independent of anyone? Aborigines in the jungle of the Amazon - yes, they are independent, albeit conditionally, who else? That's why we and people are to help each other, to cooperate in different fields, to be useful to ourselves and to others. This is ideal, I would really like to live to such a state of things, but apparently mankind has not yet matured.
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 9 July 2014 18: 25
            +7
            Quote: vsoltan
            My statement is unlikely to please ... but I personally don’t believe Old Man ... too many shynesses in different directions ..

            As a normal boss, and even more so the president, he first of all thinks about the interests of his country, his people, and does not look into Moscow’s mouth. What is so bad here?
            1. msd
              msd 9 July 2014 20: 19
              +1
              What is so bad here?

              Yes, there is nothing wrong with that.
              Why shy away from side to side?
              1. vlad52-t
                vlad52-t 10 July 2014 07: 22
                0
                Yes, he does not shy away, but is looking for new opportunities to strengthen his industry, his country. In the search it’s always like this: something succeeds, something doesn’t, but you have to look. Well done Old Man.
          3. old man 72
            old man 72 9 July 2014 19: 09
            0
            .... like a petty crook. Yes, our Old Man is far from such a big one like you.
          4. old man 72
            old man 72 9 July 2014 19: 09
            -2
            .... like a petty crook. Yes, our Old Man is far from such a big one like you.
            1. vsoltan
              vsoltan 9 July 2014 20: 31
              -5
              Dear patriot, I would like to convince you to choose expressions in the future ... don’t be rude, because you don’t know me and make such harsh and rude judgments, alas, just a sign of near-sighting ... an empty market and insults on the site are unacceptable ..: - ) and you, I'm sorry, here for what reason? Pee-pee come in?
              1. AlexAl
                AlexAl 10 July 2014 02: 38
                -1
                Dear, that you are so offended? Or do you personally know Alexander Grigoryevich, have lived with him all my life? To compare with someone. So it is not necessary to be rude either. He is the president of the state, and thus, indirectly, you are trying to insult the citizens of Belarus. So get what you deserve.
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 9 July 2014 18: 21
        +2
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Belarusians do not want Russian weapons. What let them do it themselves, but why once again create a bicycle.

        Lukashenko said - "Your task is to get here a new modern weapon for our defense and for IMPLEMENTATION FOR EXPORT." Belarus also wants to make money on the sale of weapons, in my opinion, everything is clear.
      4. ruslan207
        ruslan207 9 July 2014 18: 50
        +1
        How many c-400s are they waiting for, and iskander?
        And if tomorrow who knows what will happen
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      6. poquello
        poquello 9 July 2014 22: 23
        0
        Quote: Giant thought
        Belarusians do not want Russian weapons. What let them do it themselves, but why once again create a bicycle.

        Russia, as a leader in this instrument, will not release C300 forever, and demand will be long-lasting - they will earn money. The process is quite commonplace - an analogue of the Siemens s7-200 plc is now produced by a small German company, because there is demand.
      7. user
        user 9 July 2014 23: 31
        +1
        I respect the Old Man, but here he is wrong, in the sense that he does not understand anything in engineering and design, and if he does, then with big failures. Firstly, it is impossible to create anything worse than the S-300 from the start, secondly there is no base, R&D and just a design school of this level, and most importantly there is no production of its own, I'm not talking about the human component.
        1. AlexAl
          AlexAl 10 July 2014 02: 50
          +1
          But he, the Old Man, doesn’t need to understand, but about the brains, there are no problems, Belarusians are very smart, persistent and hardworking people. And there are many, many examples. Belaz is in the Guinness Book of Records. MZKT chassis for ICBMs, MAZ buses, world-class optics and even better. So this project will be a breakthrough in metallurgy, electronics, materials science, programming, and many other industries, even if nothing good comes of it, which I doubt. KB Display there too. Zhores Alferov- Belarus, Pavel Sukhoi too. And many, many more.
          1. ArhipenkoAndrey
            ArhipenkoAndrey 10 July 2014 05: 15
            +1
            Forgive me, I forgot a little nuance, you listed not just Belarusians but Soviet people, but, as they say in Odessa, these two big differences, the school and the element base were common and made the whole country of the USSR. There is an example, Georgia, electric locomotives and planes were also produced there, the USSR ended, the great industrial power of Georgia ended, the great winemaking Georgia became without a gap to large industry, so R&D and resources are a very important factor.
            1. AlexAl
              AlexAl 10 July 2014 10: 29
              0
              Forgive me, but I don’t see any difference here. Many say that Belarus is now a continuation of the era of the USSR, and people have not become worse since then, and have not become dumber. An example of world of tanks - made by Belarus at the Old Man, the tank sight - pine, it was also with Belarus, and for that, excuse me from the cern, the direct channel was extended from the andron collider to the RAS of Belarus, and not frail in terms of bandwidth, but because Belarus and Belarus put their hands and brains to a particle trap of one of two.
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    7. enot73
      enot73 9 July 2014 17: 12
      +1
      Quote: GRAY
      I do not understand what it costs in the shop, ISU-152 or what?

      She is the most!
    8. Kolyanych
      Kolyanych 9 July 2014 18: 40
      +3
      Just at the beginning of the article, they inserted a picture taken at 140 repair factory in Borisov, specializing in the repair of armored vehicles. This specialization was back in the days of the USSR, and Old Man simply kept the Soviet military legacy. T-72, BMP-1, BMP-2, BTR-80 are being repaired at the plant. Well, as an addition to the main activity, self-propelled guns and tanks of the 2nd World War are supported on the fly.
    9. Interface
      Interface 9 July 2014 20: 19
      0
      He noted that this complex “is different

      noise immunity


      Well, what? He stole the rocket, from the electronics there were only lamps and pistons: the radar would not take it.
  2. dima67
    dima67 9 July 2014 17: 00
    +3
    More advertising seems in these statements.
  3. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 9 July 2014 17: 01
    0
    Isn’t it easier to buy the very C-300? And then there is a bad impression that they do not trust the Russian military-industrial complex
    1. the polar
      the polar 9 July 2014 17: 08
      +3
      Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
      Isn’t it easier to buy the very C-300? And then there is a bad impression that they do not trust the Russian military-industrial complex

      No, it’s not easier.
      Because tomorrow some "Obama" will impose a ban on the supply of air defense systems to Belarus, as they did with Iran. And what should Belarusians do?
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 9 July 2014 17: 21
        +1
        But did Iran look at the embargo? It seems to them that airplanes should not be sold either, but they are, after all. Why is Belarus worse?
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 9 July 2014 17: 53
        +4
        Not because Obama will impose a ban, but because Belarus has no money !!! A few days ago we again gave 2 billion to them! Lukashenko is trying to squeeze the maximum out of production so that later he can earn at least some money!
        1. Buivol
          Buivol 9 July 2014 19: 02
          +1
          Well, they didn’t give it, but they lent it. What does the interest. And this will agree two big differences.
      3. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 9 July 2014 18: 42
        0
        I remind you. that Russia and Belarus are a union state plus EurAsEC ... so that a comparison with Iran is clearly inappropriate!
    2. skrgar
      skrgar 9 July 2014 17: 27
      +12
      Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
      Isn’t it easier to buy the very C-300? And then there is a bad impression that they do not trust the Russian military-industrial complex

      As I understand it, Russia will start producing the S-500 ... for itself and with placement in Belarus ... Well, the Belarusians will make it "no worse than the S-300" (this does not mean that Russia does not participate - just no one will say now "Russians are selling around the world S-300 !! Sanctions are still being introduced !! In general, this production is possible as a "roof" for the supply of S-300) .. will be sold all over the world, there are a lot of people who want it .. Let them earn! It's better than they will be if only Russia invest their military-industrial complex .. I think so))
      1. Locksmith
        Locksmith 9 July 2014 17: 42
        +2
        Quote: skrgar
        I think so

        good idea, it's not for nothing that ours are building such huge factories for a 500 complex, for "growth", so to speak.
  4. Vik.Tor
    Vik.Tor 9 July 2014 17: 06
    +6
    Well, they do not trust, they develop their defense industry, a worthy occupation, which is called all their own and to themselves.
  5. gregor6549
    gregor6549 9 July 2014 17: 06
    +6
    Another fix idea. Well, Belarus did not have and does not have the technical base and personnel for creating something like С300. And it is unlikely to appear. The Tunguska can still make a mine-trap based on a caterpillar chassis, but C300 figures
    1. avt
      avt 9 July 2014 17: 30
      +5
      Quote: gregor6549
      Another fix idea. Well, Belarus did not have and does not have the technical base and personnel for creating something like the C300.

      But I’ll shame you right now! But Father said at the time - to make a mobile phone! And they did it, Not like the Chemezov DAMuded Taiwanese, but their own, natural from their details. True guano turned out and no one saw him again, but it was! so with this air defense system. They’ll build it, they’ll build a calculation with real halberds in front of Butskaya and everything will be fine. laughing So to paraphrase the advertisement - "thirst is nothing, show off everything!"
      Quote: Grove
      However, in the memory of the event when the Russian military-bureaucratic machine for years resolved the issue of leasing the S-300 PT complexes, we will not notice the accomplished and new ones.

      Yeah, but do we have the complexes directly beneath the fences lying in bunches like greens in a bazaar of 10p bundles? fool That Batska, that the elbasy get their upgraded, but it also takes time, almost for nothing. Just just moved and additional production sites were built, they themselves have not yet been rearmament.
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 9 July 2014 17: 41
        0
        Quote: avt
        it’s father’s that the elbasy get their upgraded


        C-300 PS was transferred not only to the modernized one, but removed from combat duty and requiring repair.

        But But father is well done, just in case he is reinsured.
        1. avt
          avt 9 July 2014 18: 01
          +3
          Quote: Zymran
          C-300 PS was transferred not only to the modernized one, but removed from combat duty and requiring repair.

          Well, it will be modernized. And they took him off duty because of dilapidation? Do you think we don't need to? There are even more ancient ones in the Crimea, and they don’t give ykram, like Buki.
          Quote: Zymran
          But But father is well done, just in case he is reinsured.

          Sure, not a problem ! You can join and also do slingshots with bows, or catapults like on the Maidan near Kiev. But you can think about a simple fact - how many countries actually make or copy similar systems from scratch? And then estimate their technical potential and compare with our own, and then we will talk about “reinsured.” But for me, so good ... I, for the sake of show-off. From the USSR we got a defense complex, where everything was from cooperation to duplication Why should we reinvent the wheel for the sake of Batskaya, if, for example, a union state has been declared, or is there some kind of CSTO? However, I already said that it’s purple, a factory near St. Petersburg has already been built, now there’s another replacement for everything the fact that the project "Ukraine 1991" will be carried out, and you can be sure about it - the decision was made and they approached its implementation very seriously and the demand will be the same for non-fulfillment. Here, "Angara" in a light version, beautifully left the table with a pencil, and the lightweight 7ka already works, so we don't really need Zenit either, for nothing Kalomoisky Yuzhmash grabbed.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 9 July 2014 18: 19
            +1
            It seems to me that Batska has become worse than our elbasy and that the option of delegating authority to a union state does not suit him anymore. From this and the desire for autonomy in the field of armaments and military equipment.
            1. avt
              avt 9 July 2014 18: 37
              +1
              Quote: Zymran
              It seems to me that Batska has become worse than our elbasy and that the option of delegating authority to a union state does not suit him anymore.

              Yes, there were no REAL delegations, so as soon as VVP at the beginning of the reign offered him to separate flies from cutlets - to start translating words into deeds, in particular, to introduce a single currency, so But Father was hysterical and since then they have both in the White Sun desert "-" Javdet is a coward, Abdula is a warrior, they do not love each other. " Hence the show-off .Back-not, he clearly understands that he has the opportunity to buy a goat, but has no desire, has a desire to buy a house, but does not have the opportunity, but instead of having a drink to ensure that desires coincide with the possibilities, he starts, nonsense beautiful to carry, "that's why it looks like Kolenka with GDP. And the elbasy kalach grated, kneading the old, party leaven of the USSR, he will not miss his own, but he will not miss a piece that he cannot grab and which will not drag him to the bottom, he will see that he is catching no - it will quietly step aside and, like an old, wise beast, will warn you with a roar - this is mine, I don’t take yours, but don’t touch mine. So with the TS and Evrazes, he immediately said everything without the Batskin sachers with the "union state" and everything is clear and understandable what to expect and what to hope for is stupid. Only a graduate of the Higher School of Arts, Turkmen Bashi, was cooler bully He brought up a worthy receiver for himself and correctly transferred power.
              1. Buivol
                Buivol 9 July 2014 19: 09
                +2
                The meaning of the "union state" was quite different. Under Yeltsin, Old Man, by the way, was also a Soviet party apparatchik and political instructor, rushed to the Kremlin, to steer Russia, to try on the Monomakh hat, so to speak. Hence the "union state". After the arrival of Putin, I had to take it back. Well, the impulsive nature brings, hence the "beautiful nonsense".
                1. Vasek
                  Vasek 9 July 2014 20: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Buivol
                  "beautiful nonsense"

                  good
                  Even when he was offended by Bumblebee, he said: then you can’t heal such a scar! laughing
                  But in general - well done Batsya. And the people employ, and support the defense industry, and develops the high-tech sector.
                  And everyone asks, what for ass bayan.
                2. avt
                  avt 9 July 2014 20: 52
                  -1
                  Quote: Buivol
                  . Under Yeltsin, Old Man, by the way, was also a Soviet party apparatchik and political instructor, was eager for the Kremlin, steer Russia, try on Monomakh’s cap

                  Well, I’m talking about that. Only desires did not coincide with the possibilities, again access to the Kremlin and the entire Belarusian elite was blocked. About a single emission center and I don’t say, not everyone from the Kremlin and Old Square is allowed there, not to mention the house on Krasnopresnenskaya embankment and the Finance Ministry on Ilyinka .Where is it that he wants to open a second one in Minsk, and even a third one in Astana. Here he remained the first guy, but unlike the same elbasy, he carries him from the desire to be a full-fledged Player of the Big Game, but it wasn’t and these attempts look like children's tantrums. Until.
      2. m262
        m262 9 July 2014 23: 14
        0
        Quote: avt
        But I’ll shame you right now!

        If anyone does not know I will reveal the "military secret", the shells were originally produced on a tracked chassis, and the chassis was produced at MTZ, but after that they were transported to the KAMAZ chassis, and the carts are still rolling around the plant on the remains of the wheels!
        If anyone is interested in optics, hammer in Yandex Ukon - a trademark of the Vavilov Minsk plant, and multifunction monitors for Russian fighters are produced in Vitebsk, that's it!
    2. Vittt
      Vittt 9 July 2014 17: 57
      +5
      Quote: gregor6549
      Another fix idea. Well, Belarus did not have and does not have the technical base and personnel for creating something like С300. And it is unlikely to appear. The Tunguska can still make a mine-trap based on a caterpillar chassis, but C300 figures

      Dear you ours, on the basis of MZKT your "poplars", "yars" and S-400s ride (by the way, this is one of the main reasons for the financially liberal run over MAZ by KAMAZ, or rather fat cats from the pseudo-industry). The pseudo-Russian (actually created on the electronic basis of the "Integral" plant) complex "Avtobaza", which planted the American UAV "Sentinel" in Iran, is also not your know-how, Su-27-30 fighters are being repaired and modernized in Baranovichi, a contract with Venezuela for funds The air defense was concluded with Belarus, not with Russia.
      There is a lot more to say, but the "hat-takers" will most likely say that they have 100500 reasons - we do not depend on anyone.
      Belarus doesn’t need your cow, which you milk, you at least chew on your own strengths.
      1. avt
        avt 9 July 2014 18: 52
        0
        Quote: Vittt
        (by the way - this is one of the main reasons for the financially liberal collision with MAZ from KAMAZ, or rather fat cats from the pseudo-industry).

        By. MAZ cares about KAMAZ as a competitor of mass production, and not piece-wise, all the more so since there is no and is not expected to be an analogue at KAMAZ, here in this game BAZ is used in exchange, it can be used as analogues of MAZ platforms.
        1. Vittt
          Vittt 9 July 2014 19: 02
          +3
          Quote: avt
          Quote: Vittt
          (by the way - this is one of the main reasons for the financially liberal collision with MAZ from KAMAZ, or rather fat cats from the pseudo-industry).

          By. MAZ cares about KAMAZ as a competitor of mass production, and not piece-wise, all the more so since there is no and is not expected to be an analogue at KAMAZ, here in this game BAZ is used in exchange, it can be used as analogues of MAZ platforms.

          First, you make an analogue of the BAZ MZKT, then blow all the tambourines. I'm not in order to humiliate - you do not try to humiliate the only ally.
          And no, not by, comrade AVT, the MZKT is a STRATEGIC production, and it is yours, I remind you, ALLY.
          1. avt
            avt 9 July 2014 20: 47
            +2
            Quote: Vittt
            First, you make an analogue of the BAZ MZKT, then blow all the tambourines. I'm not in order to humiliate - you do not try to humiliate the only ally.

            Quote: Buivol
            Ha, ha, ha and three more times ha. BAZ and in Soviet times, the division of MAZ, MZKT, now it is a separate plant, was not a strong competitor. And today, BAZ and in general in a half-sawed state are unlikely to be capable of anything serious.

            Once again for the especially sensual. KAMAZ needs MAZ in order to remove it, as a competitor, from the civilian market, but since KAMAZ does not make heavy platforms, in this part of the market MAZ is blackmailed by BAZ, as a platform that has been engaged in heavy platforms since Soviet times, which KAMAZ still does not make. and keep BAZ in a state - "come here and stand still"
            Quote: ruslan207
            In the days of the ussr, the belarusian ssr produced the s-300, and few people knew about the bmp-2, it was also secret for the x-55 missiles, the belarusian, 80% of the electronics on the blizzard were belarusian

            And she also produced a lot of things, since she was also an assembly shop. But the components came from all over the USSR. And then the ambition is to catch up and overtake the USA, Russia, China. So you seriously think But Father will make an analogue, Almaz Antey, and even with a full, closed production cycle, but at his own expense ???? If yes, do it right away , without exams, they will be admitted to the Institute named after "Serbsky" and will be enrolled in the group to Napoleon.
        2. Buivol
          Buivol 9 July 2014 19: 12
          0
          Ha, ha, ha and three more times ha. BAZ and in Soviet times, the division of MAZ, MZKT, now it is a separate plant, was not a strong competitor. And today, BAZ and in general in a half-sawed state are unlikely to be capable of anything serious.
      2. Assistant
        Assistant 9 July 2014 23: 12
        0
        Our dear, your ... and S-400 ride on the basis of the MZKT


        Not true. MZKT several positions already propolymeril, S-400 ride on the BAZ chassis. Well, how to ride ... At the rehearsal of the parade, one launcher on the BAZ became a stake on the avenue, they pulled it on the cable.
        The Russians want to give the platform for artillery to KamAZ, and for air defense - to BAZ.
      3. Kazak ermaka
        Kazak ermaka 9 July 2014 23: 42
        -2
        Belarus like the Chinese that steebred, everything is considered their own.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 9 July 2014 18: 30
      +2
      Quote: gregor6549
      Well, Belarus did not have and does not have a technical base and personnel

      Belarusians are the only ones who managed to keep the electronics. “The electronics of Russia is saved by no more than 25%. In Ukraine, it no longer exists. In other republics, too. And the electronic industry of Belarus is working. If in Soviet times three hundred million “chips” were produced, then in 2003 - a billion, ”Zhores Alferov emphasizes.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 10 July 2014 03: 07
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        In Ukraine, it no longer exists.

        inaccurate statement ...
    4. ruslan207
      ruslan207 9 July 2014 18: 54
      +3
      In the days of the ussr, the belarusian ssr produced the s-300, and few people knew about the bmp-2, it was also secret for the x-55 missiles, the belarusian, 80% of the electronics on the blizzard were belarusian
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  6. mig31
    mig31 9 July 2014 17: 09
    +7
    By the side of the EU, and especially on the border with Poland and the Baltic states, let the Belarusians develop what they want, even if it's a "duck" and then it's good, and if it's true - a flag in hand ...
  7. Stypor23
    Stypor23 9 July 2014 17: 10
    0
    And right now I read it inattentively, I think they thought of the name Alaverda.
  8. Roshchin
    Roshchin 9 July 2014 17: 13
    +4
    On the one hand, it seems that Belarusians should not make systems of the same class as Russia already has. However, in the memory of the event when the Russian military-bureaucratic machine for years resolved the issue of leasing the S-300 PT complexes, we will not notice the accomplished and new ones. The enemy will not wait for years. Therefore, friendship is friendship and dry powder should be your own.
    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 9 July 2014 17: 56
      0
      Well, if there was an enemy, then maybe they would have passed it faster ...
      1. 1500014781401
        1500014781401 9 July 2014 20: 42
        0
        Not passed, but sold.
        They love the Russian media to distort Lukashenka's words. and in this case they did not quote "If Russia does not lend us a shoulder" / t. That is, in case of danger, Belarus should rely only on itself.
  9. MSA
    MSA 9 July 2014 17: 15
    +3
    Old Man decided to raise the same army.
  10. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 9 July 2014 17: 15
    +2
    I don't know about all of the above, but the S-125 Pechora-2T and T-38 "Stiletto" are quite real machines
    S-125 Pechora-2T - Belarusian modification of S-125 developed by NPO Tetraedr. The Pechora-2T complex, thanks to the new missile guidance system, is capable of destroying manned and unmanned aerial attack vehicles at ranges up to 36 km and altitudes up to 25 km, flying at speeds up to 900 m / s. The introduction of anti-jamming means ensures the detection, tracking and firing of targets in conditions of the influence of all types of radio interference. The interference immunity of the Pechora-2T air defense missile system is 2700 W / MHz when an active noise jammer is set up with an equivalent range of 100 km. To increase the survivability of the air defense missile system in the conditions of the use of anti-radar missiles, the SRTZ-2 radio protection station is additionally introduced into the Pechora-125T air defense missile system. The effectiveness of the protection of the air defense system by the SRTZ-125 station is at least 93%. In the Pechora-2T air defense system, up to 50% of the equipment, in comparison with the basic version of the Pechora, has been transferred to a new element base. The reliability and service life of the SAM equipment have been increased, the time for maintenance has been reduced, the range of spare parts has been reduced .;
    http://history-of-wars.ru/arms/477-zrk-s-125-2t-pechora-2t.html


    С-125-2ТМ "PECHORA-2ТМ" - Belarusian modification of С-125 developed by NPO Tetraedr, 2006. The noise immunity of the complex ensures the operation of the air defense missile system when jamming it with a power of 2700 W / MHz (at the output from the jammer antenna) at a distance of 100 km from the air defense missile system, the minimum detectable target EPR is 0,02 m2, the range of destruction is 35 km.
    T38 "Stiletto" - Belarusian-Ukrainian automated military anti-aircraft missile system.
    Designed to replace the Osa-AKM air defense system. The complex is all-weather and is intended for the defense of ground forces units, industrial and military installations against attacks by all types of modern and promising air attack weapons flying at extremely small, small and medium altitudes. It consists of the T381 combat vehicle developed in Belarus and the two-stage T382 anti-aircraft guided missiles developed at the Kiev Luch design bureau (Ukraine). The Stilet complex is armed with 8 T382 missiles. The combat vehicle of the T381 complex is made on the MZKT-69222 6x6 chassis, which, unlike the BAS-5937 chassis of the Osa complex, has a variable clearance, but is not amphibious. T381 is equipped with navigation, topographic location, communications, life support and power supply facilities. The machine is air transported by IL-76 aircraft. MZKT-69222 is equipped with a YaMZ-7513.10 engine with 420 horsepower. and a new automatic transmission developed by the MZKT. The maximum speed on the highway is 85 km / h.
    T-38 "Stilet" is actively moving to the international market. so, Azerbaijan became interested in it.
    Azerbaijan has shown interest in buying the Ukrainian-Belarusian short-range anti-aircraft missile systems T-38 "Stilet", APA reports. Negotiations on the delivery of the complexes are currently underway with the Belarusian company Tetraedr, which previously upgraded two Azerbaijani batteries of the S-125 Pechora air defense missile system, which increased their service life by 15 years.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2011/02/22/t38/

    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 9 July 2014 17: 46
      0
      Roman, don’t you know how many of them entered the BR army?
  11. enot73
    enot73 9 July 2014 17: 18
    0
    What about your "poplar"? And the S - 300 is not the newest complex.
  12. Arh
    Arh 9 July 2014 17: 19
    +1
    Belarusians well done that are developing !!!
  13. askof
    9 July 2014 17: 20
    -2
    And perhaps this is Putin's installation: Invent, develop, re-equip and sell abroad, so that there is something to eat and what to build.
  14. gregor6549
    gregor6549 9 July 2014 17: 21
    +3
    Still, I wonder what such an expert on the industry of Belarus puts downsides. The C300 was developed not only by Antey Almaz. This complex was made by the entire Sopz, including Belarus in terms of the development of Polyana D4 (ACS of the Air Defense Brigade using the S300 SRK). But ACCS and SAM are two big differences. The structure of this air defense system includes the most complex radars of circular and sectorial coverage with phased array, missiles, software, and so on. Experience in the development of such components of air defense systems in Belarus is zero and he has nowhere to come from. The same applies to the experimental design, production and testing facilities. So all the "Make By Tomorrow" statements are built on sand. Of course, Lukashenka will be able to allocate money for the project, and there will be hunters to master money, so whether there will be anything useful at the end of the day is a big question.
    1. vjhbc
      vjhbc 9 July 2014 18: 50
      +3
      do you think we are dumber than the Chinese, so whether you are afraid to sell them one at a time because they will copy, but we don’t take into account the fact that we repair them or you think that you can repair something without full documentation
      Quote: gregor6549
      Experience in the development of such components of air defense systems in Belarus is zero and it has nowhere to come from. The same applies to the experimental design, production and testing facilities. So all the statements about "Make by Tomorrow" are built on sand
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 10 July 2014 19: 25
        +1
        Uv Andrey. The repair of equipment and its creation are two big differences. About the Chinese. The Chinese have managed to create a very powerful military industry, including one that specializes in the development of air defense systems. Of course, the Chinese follow the path of the lowest cost and what they can slam, sorry, copy, they copy without being burdened by doubts. But they copy, it should be noted, creatively and often their copies are better than the originals. And they are already doing something of their own. For example, ballistic missiles "killer of aircraft carriers", which themselves can find the AUG, select an aircraft carrier in the AUG and hit it precisely. But I have not yet heard of such successes of Belarus in the field of rocketry, although I have lived in Minsk for more than a dozen years. Yes, and the defense industry of Belarus is familiar from the inside and not from newspapers.
  15. Yarik
    Yarik 9 July 2014 17: 24
    -1
    ispaniard (1) Today, 17:04 PM ↑ New
    Offset, I also noticed. Maybe Butsk on ISUse-152 moves to increase the effect in Belarus?)))


    Ah ha ha, comment shine. Fucked. Plus. laughing
  16. Andron_by
    Andron_by 9 July 2014 17: 32
    -3
    They all have to retire ... fool
  17. Praetorian
    Praetorian 9 July 2014 17: 47
    0
    "On this basis, you need to create your own complex, and it should be no worse than the S-300."

    He did not bend a damn thing to himself.
  18. GHOST29RUS
    GHOST29RUS 9 July 2014 17: 50
    +1
    Would have done a joint development with Russia, but even if they produce their own, it’s not bad either smile everything is better than importing smile
  19. kowalski
    kowalski 9 July 2014 17: 59
    -1
    Something is wrong here...! But father felt like a dictator ?! Moon-faced and sun-like ?! In one day, two copies of armored vehicles ... Somehow we quickly forgot his statements at the "benefit performance" "Patuni" ... By the way, RB has local gas ?!
  20. KIRON
    KIRON 9 July 2014 18: 00
    -3
    That's a ghoul
  21. novel68rus
    novel68rus 9 July 2014 18: 01
    0
    the Chinese have long copied it .. the truth flies at a shorter range than ours ..
  22. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 9 July 2014 18: 02
    +3
    In Belarus, generally tight with aviation.
    Over the past few years, the Belarusian Air Force has written off more than fifty units of military aircraft, not counting helicopters, having purchased at the same time absolutely zero airplanes.

    http://afn.by/news/i/179950

    At present, the Belarussian Air Force comprises the 38 MiG-29 (18 MiG-29Б, 12 MiG-29БМ and 8 MiG-29UB)

    23 Su-25 (18 Su-25 and 5 Su-25UB). Also about 20 Su-25 are in storage.

    In February 2012, the Ministry of Defense of Belarus announced a decision to remove all Su-24M / MR aircraft from the air force and air defense of Belarus. and are sold to foreign customers, for example, Sudan in August 2013 purchased in Belarus 12 front-line bombers Su-24M. Earlier, the Sudanese Air Force received from Belarus an additional batch of Su-25 attack aircraft. In 2008-2010, Sudan received from Belarus 13 attack aircraft Su-25 and two Su-25UB.
    The decision taken in the same 2012 to decommission the Su-27 fighters was revised in April this year. In accordance with the new plans, the existing fleet of Su-27 (17 Su-27P and 4 "twin" Su-27UBM1) will be modernized at the JSC "558th Aviation Repair Plant" in Baranovichi.

    The main problems and "projections" of the Belarusian air defense:
    1. Not so long ago, an airplane flew from Lithuania to Belarus, flew to Minsk, circled around, scattered propaganda materials of the so-called. "bear landing" and flew away. The air defense of Belarus did not see him.
    2. In zero in Belarus there was a huge scandal associated with falsifications of internal checks of the air defense system. Nobody really tested and tested the system. This is the real level of air defense of the republic, and not what they are trying to show in Ashuluk with all their might.
    3. Plus high accident rate due to the large wear of equipment.
    2009 crashed Su-27 two corpses. Materials are classified
    2010 crashed MiG-29 pilot managed to eject
    2010 crashed MiG-29 two corpses. Materials are classified
    2011 crashed helicopter of State Border Committee five corpses
    2011 crashed Mi-24 air force three corpses
    2012 crashed Su-25 corpse. Materials are classified
    Total: 4 of the year 6 machines
    Of the new products, it is planned to purchase Yak-130 in Russia. So, in 2012, a contract was signed for the supply of 4 Yak-130 in 2015.
    http://www.interfax.by/news/belarus/1122210

    And also the delivery from Russia of the 9K331MK Tor-M2E air defense system: 12 complexes, as of 2013
    The Military Balance 2013. - P. 243

    1. Buivol
      Buivol 9 July 2014 19: 31
      +2
      And what? Everything is relative. In the military aviation of our most probable enemy, Poland, there are 48 F16 units bought second-hand in the USA, 32 Soviet SU22s, and 32 Soviet MIG 29 former GDRs, decommissioned by the Germans and bought by the Poles from Germany at a price of 1 euro per unit. Total 112 combat aircraft. SU 22 Poles planned to write off next year, but then decided to leave in service until 2020 because there is no money for new ones. Against them we have 21 SU27, 38 MIG 29 and 23 SU25 totaling 82 combat aircraft. 82 against 112. This is despite the fact that Belarus is 4 times smaller than Poland. According to SS24, the situation is assessed in principle incorrectly. This plane is too big for little Belarus. For us, even the SU27 is too powerful. But since we got them from the USSR and exploited them, while the operation did not require large expenditures. Then they sold it. At the same time, during the modernization of the MIG 29BM program, MIG 29 received enhanced capabilities to combat ground targets. The same was planned for SU27, if we had bargained with the Allies for the price of new cars, then MIG 29 would have been added, and SU27 left for some kind of Honduras. For the same reason - cars that are too powerful and expensive for a small Belarus.
  23. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 July 2014 18: 05
    +3
    And we have gas in Russia ..)) fellow
    In Russia, they assembled the world's first TVEL for a space power plant ...
    At the Mashinostroitelny Zavod OJSC in Elektrostal near Moscow, specialists assembled the first fuel element (TVEL) of a standard design for a space nuclear electric propulsion system (YaEDU). This was reported by the press service of the Rosatom State Corporation. The chief designer of the reactor installation is NIKIET OJSC. ...
    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/51055/
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 9 July 2014 19: 20
      0
      Why are they minus ..? I shared the news ..! Specialists is it true ..?
  24. izGOI
    izGOI 9 July 2014 18: 14
    +4
    And the headline itself led me to one thought: “But Belarus did not sign this damn INF Treaty. So let it establish the development, production and storage of the“ heirs of POINT-U. ”And at the same time, it is possible to conduct drug training at Belarusian bases, Russian servicemen can- And the targets for these complexes (Europe) will be closer. By the way, it is possible, after all, to "place and store" such missiles in Kazakhstan, so to speak, until better times.
    1. lelik613
      lelik613 9 July 2014 22: 41
      0
      well done, I thought about it myself
    2. Assistant
      Assistant 9 July 2014 23: 41
      0
      Firstly, Belarus has a nuclear-free status (Budapest Memorandum on December 5, 1994), so it won’t be able to test a missile with UBC. Generally. A maximum with a mass-size disc, and someone else will have to catch possible inconsistencies when installing an SBN on this missile. Well, for obvious reasons, Belarus will not be able to put missiles with SBC on combat alert.
      Secondly, the territory of Belarus from west to east is 650 km. This is all. It is clear that this is much more than 120 km. "Points", but "Iskander" thrashes for 500 km. How to test promising missiles?
  25. Iline
    Iline 9 July 2014 18: 31
    +2
    "On this basis, you need to create your own complex, and it should be no worse than the S-300."

    And then Ostap suffered ...
    I can very well imagine the possibilities of Belarusian science and industry. It was good with electronics and optics under the USSR, in our times "Integral" barely survives.
    But SAM is not only electronics and optics. They are also rocket engines, and many more of which they have never done in Belarus and were not engaged in development. To start from scratch, such a thing is worth enormous money, which the country does not have.
    There is only one way out: to tear off the S-300 to the screw, stick the Halberd sticker, grunt a glass for success and calm down. By the way, Integral did the same with Acer monitors, only they didn't bother with copying. They just pasted the adversary names with their names.
    1. TSOOBER
      TSOOBER 9 July 2014 21: 06
      +3
      lline big plus + I can add a little
      1-about the analogue of the S-300 - complete crap - in the republic there is nothing to create such a complex (only the chassis at the MZKT), who will make the rocket for it? what enterprise? submit its name to the studio! wassat , then a rocket is an engine, fuel for it, a guidance head, etc., etc., we don’t have a single such enterprise — that means starting from scratch, that is, creating a research institute and slowly (aha, there’s no engine you need specialists in fuel and what to do? to train correctly, and where? at home? no one, then young specialists will come to you in Russia and in five years and begin the path of Korolev from the very beginning, and so in all directions)
      I will tell you how our wonderful enterprises work using the example of "Optron" (Uruchye) - it seems like it works, and before what it just didn’t produce, and for warriors, etc. belay , and even a couple of locksmiths, cleaners and plumbers - for room maintenance! The enterprise survives by renting the premises! The Mayor arrives and drives the workshops and everything works, but alas, it’s the tenants, and they themselves haven’t let out anything for a long time, and even if they want it, they’ve sold it for a long time and there are no workers!
      2 - about your so beloved "Integral" - the enterprise is slowly and surely dying - microelectronics is produced at the level of the 80s (no new equipment or developments, still the USSR) - and most importantly, there is no money! request
      3-MZKT and the "autorepair" attached to it - will live only due to orders from Russia (there will be no orders and the opposition of Vukraine in Belarus everything will become) - yes, and due to the purchase by the Russians of part of the shares there seem to be even more alive than dead - salaries there have grown noticeably (some of our workers - turners, grinders - fled there)
      4- "Tractor" -there is a diagnosis-they work in a warehouse and will work until victory, since 30 unemployed and the same number of subcontractors can arrange a "maidan" (now they have transferred to a four-day period) -at their own expense
      5-There is no data on "MAZ" (relatives or acquaintances do not work there, so request )
      6-and the saddest thing is that the opticians were dumped to you in Russia-half a year. We can’t adjust the 25x objective for the optical grinding machine.
      1. Assistant
        Assistant 9 July 2014 23: 51
        +2
        Already posted this photo on the site, but I can not resist:



        Now I'm sitting in the net with a modem, on the case of which "Promsvyaz M-101 A" is proudly written, and in the service menu - ZTE831 / ZTE832.
  26. vsoltan
    vsoltan 9 July 2014 18: 34
    0
    Quote: vitvit123
    Not because Obama will impose a ban, but because Belarus has no money !!! A few days ago we again gave 2 billion to them! Lukashenko is trying to squeeze the maximum out of production so that later he can earn at least some money!


    Sorry, I’m truly a fool ...it is easier for Belarus to join the Federation with the Russian Federation... laugh, yes, but this is my opinion ... and Ukraine / besides Volyn and Galicia /, and Northern Kazakhstan ... so I’m going ... uuu, yeah ... if we didn’t show KULAK right away. snot chewed in March ... / and no one, believe me, none we are not a competitor, they will not crush the Russian on his own land / ... so we must continue to engage in quiet expansion - diplomacy, economics, propaganda. but more actively, now - no, no, no ... yes, I ... dream of the revival of the Empire , even if in a truncated form ... and personally ready to eat less tasty and wear old pants ... in a foreign country and so - I don’t go, I don’t thirst .. what do you want from a stupid state employee? He said, tired of chatter ...
    1. izGOI
      izGOI 9 July 2014 18: 45
      +1
      First NEWS!
  27. Mol
    Mol 9 July 2014 18: 44
    +1
    Quote: Giant thought
    Belarusians do not want Russian weapons. What let them do it themselves, but why once again create a bicycle.

    Do not forget that, as a rule, the best minds work for the defense industry, large funds are invested in it, the first technological breakthroughs usually take place in the defense industry and "know-how" is created, which then spread to civilian industry. The military-industrial complex is in many ways a "locomotive" for the development of civil science and technology. For example, if people hadn’t come up with an atomic bomb, perhaps there would have been no nuclear power plant, the Internet was originally conceived for military purposes, a microwave oven, Teflon, the list goes on. So the Belarusians are doing everything right.
  28. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 9 July 2014 18: 52
    0
    Why develop what has already been developed in RUSSIA. Why spend money on nothing. Indeed, RUSSIA is not an enemy of BELLORUSSIA but the first ally and friend. Full idiocy of some kind. Only an extra waste of labor and finance. soldier
  29. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 9 July 2014 19: 04
    +1
    Father is promoted so that the people see and know that he cares. But in fact, the father needs to do well what Belarus is already doing and what is needed. Naturally, military science should not stand still, but not do what Russia has already done.
  30. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 9 July 2014 20: 12
    +1
    Lukashenko, in my opinion, really drifted ... There, a lot of money has been invested in Belarus (as well as in Ukraine, the United States) .. judging by how he behaved at the inauguration with Parashenko .... So the slogan "Father said .. Father did .. ) I am already alarmed and Kazakhstan is modestly moving aside .. Russia is being hounded "all in the booths!" .... bully Oh well..)))
  31. Leshka
    Leshka 9 July 2014 20: 31
    0
    want let them do
  32. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 9 July 2014 21: 36
    0
    Bravo Old Man, maybe even he will wet both Ukrainians and Psheks.
  33. Army strong
    Army strong 9 July 2014 22: 43
    0
    Quote: Gado
    Can you give me an example of an independent state, absolutely independent of anyone? Aborigines in the jungle of the Amazon - yes, they are independent, albeit conditionally, who else? That's why we and people are to help each other, to cooperate in different fields, to be useful to ourselves and to others. This is ideal, I would really like to live to such a state of things, but apparently mankind has not yet matured.


    Yes I can, this is Russia, for example. I hope you agree that we are an independent country.
  34. Urri
    Urri 9 July 2014 23: 56
    0
    Regarding the ISU-152 in the photo. Today at the opening of MILEX-2014 in Minsk she was, IS-2, IS-3, T-44, T-34-76, T-34-85, PT, and these are only tanks. Perhaps a photo of their Slutsk tank repair.

    Quote: TSOOBER
    1-about the analogue of the S-300 - complete crap - in the republic there is nothing to create such a complex (only the chassis at the MZKT), who will make the rocket for it?


    Meanwhile, work is underway. The result will surprise many. Vremya will show who will make the rocket. At 20-00.

    Quote: cerbuk6155
    Why develop what has already been developed in RUSSIA.


    Why pay for the chassis, hydromechanics of hanging and lifting, subframes and so on, if there are enterprises that are ready to make all this on their own, which they successfully mold for a foreign customer. Well, if they blinded "East" and "Citrus", then somehow, praying
  35. Spatel
    Spatel 10 July 2014 00: 01
    +1
    Old Man is that chameleon! He holds onto his power with both hands. But when his horse gets tired of riding under him, he will call to unite with Russia. He will no longer need a new dad in Belarus ...
  36. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 10 July 2014 00: 15
    0
    What is there to invent a bicycle, there are already tried and tested complexes in Russia. Of course, no one forbids Belarusians to experiment, but isn’t it easier to enter into cooperation with manufacturers in Russia and is busy with some kind of niche in joint production. After all, starting one from scratch will cost more.
  37. Urri
    Urri 10 July 2014 00: 23
    0
    Quote: cat hippo
    but isn’t it easier to enter into cooperation with manufacturers in Russia and occupy a niche in joint production. After all, starting one from scratch will cost more.


    Not easier. Practice shows that there are no special people willing to admit to the design documentation of their military production. And acceptance of "5" becomes a question. And in Russia itself, they cannot understand the responsibility for acceptance, at least in Roscosmos, and even more so with Belarusians
  38. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 10 July 2014 00: 40
    0
    Another stone from the dad's side into our garden. Or was he going to return loans to us like that - taking away part of the market?
  39. Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 July 2014 02: 40
    0
    Yes, let them do it. It is possible that with the involvement of the Chinese. We need to take care of our missiles. And so they will make inexpensive complexes with the whales, stick borders with Ukraine and the west ...
  40. Cristall
    Cristall 10 July 2014 03: 15
    0
    with rockets in the Republic of Belarus it’s a little tight ... in general, with 300 it is something like a brand - no less than 300 flashes in many PR air defense campaigns.
    It is necessary to make a rocket, and not just a base ..
    here in Chinese you need to either buy it ... or together ...
    Stiletto has a Luch rocket. Sam Luch and Artem worked on a resource and modernization from 300 Ukraine ..
    Somewhere, maybe the dog is buried ...