Ukraine wants Russia to recover from fines for flights over the territory of Crimea

The Ministry of Justice of Ukraine said that Russia should pay Kiev heavy fines for flights over the Crimea, reports newsru.com with reference to "Ukrainian Truth". Otherwise, the Russian Federation may be expelled from the International Civil Organization aviation (ICAO), which will complicate the life of Russian air carriers.

4 July it became known that the ICAO still retain the right to control the airspace over the Crimea over Ukraine, although earlier the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation stated the opposite. Based on this, the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine is going to file a complaint with the ICAO about violations of Ukrainian airspace by Russian aircraft.

According to the head of the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine Pavel Petrenko, more than 3.3 thousands of cases of violation of the airspace over the Crimea were recorded. Penalties are calculated every day. On 7 July, Russia should pay Ukraine about 200 million hryvnias (approximately 588 million rubles).

Petrenko noted that the Russian side had already received a complaint demanding compensation. If the Russian authorities do not fulfill these obligations, Ukraine will submit to ICAO a statement on the exclusion of Russia from the organization.

“The legal consequences are very simple - Russian companies do not have the right to fly over the territory of the ICAO Member State,” the Ukrainian minister said.

In addition, the Ukrainian side announced similar procedures for seaports.

“We will raise the issue of excluding Russia from the relevant convention so that their ships do not enter ports, as well as compensation for our losses,” noted Petrenko.

It is worth noting that the Ukrainian authorities are not the first time turning to international bodies. According to July 8, the European Court of Human Rights is considering two lawsuits against Russia. In the first, the Russian Federation is accused of violating the territorial integrity of Ukraine by detaching the Crimea, and in the second, of supporting the militia in the Donbas.

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[Joonkey]

The dog barks - the caravan goes

[herruvim]

Yes, there are fewer and fewer healthy people in the government of Ukraine, there is nothing to try to boost the economy, end the war, they are engaged in petty dirty tricks, for which everyone

[Stavros]

Do you think they still remain?

[alex-s]

“The legal consequences are very simple - Russian companies have no right to fly over the territory of the ICAO member country”

It will be fun if the ICAO member countries cannot fly over the territory of Russia!

[Alekseev]

Quote: alex-s

It will be fun if the ICAO member countries cannot fly over the territory of Russia!

Yes, here it is necessary to close the borders for ukrov, the Kerch Strait too, to drive a bad broom from the Russian market, let them complain to the courts.
And de some American or European courts will judge unjustly, well, we will have to close up, withdraw from many contracts, let them think that the West is more profitable: kiss the banderlog in ..., having given economic cooperation to Asia, or work and trade normally with the Russian Federation.

[Revolver]

Quote: Alekseev

Yes, here it is necessary to close the borders for ukrov, the Kerch Strait too, to drive a bad broom from the Russian market, let them complain to the courts.

Even Brezhnev, the insidious stagnant (whom he really became towards the end, but at first he wasn’t at all), solved the issue in Czechoslovakia in just a few days. Already tired of hearing, watching, reading about this privacy. I'd like to see tanks with a white stripe on the tower *, parked on the dill beds of the Maidan. And after that, let them complain to the courts - who will manage to escape.



* identification of participants in restoring order in Czechoslovakia - the Czechs had the same tanks of the same color, but without stripes

[avdkrd]

Quote: alex-s

It will be fun if the ICAO member countries cannot fly over the territory of Russia!

moreover, the joke is that in this case there will be no legal reason to close the sky for Russia or, say, Chinese companies, just as no one will be able to prevent the airline from re-registering in a third country (Kazakhstan, for example), but this is already reinsurance ...

[Oleg Sobol]

Ukraine wants to recover fines from Russia for the air they breathe in the territory of Crimea. - a dream is a dream.

[X Y Z]

Then the question will have to be decided radically! There is no applicant State, no lawsuits ...

[volot-voin]

Quote: herruvim

raise the economy, end the war, do petty dirty tricks

Could, so ended the war a long time ago, maybe not starting. They would respect the integrity of Ukraine. They would immediately allow Donetsk and Lugansk to become autonomies. So the hosts from overseas do not allow. They need a war, preferably with the participation of the Russian Federation. Accustomed to wrecking loot in wars.

[Oleg Sobol]

Quote: herruvim

Yes, healthy people less and less in the government of Ukraine

And they were there, in general, were originally?

[VAF]

Quote: herruvim

Yes, there are fewer and fewer healthy people in the Ukrainian government,

Do you think they were there? (I won’t talk about ours .. but I would like to compare )

This article is a complete DESA, (our airspeedSMI .. the most airspechelo in the world )

The article should be titled like this .. "Wishlist Hero.but .. the fat ends"

Now, in fact, I read komenty ... a kindergarten. And if now ... loyal subjects catch up ... then in general ... put out the light.

So -The International Civil Aviation Organization DETERMINED (!!!) that Russia should provide air navigation services over Crimea and territorial waters (12-mile zone)
Read, remember ... we will not return anymore !!! And we send all ukrov ... forest. Forest. Forest or in their fields and meadows (though not for everyone. But for those which do not fall under restitution)

Now more specifically: "" ICAO determines that Russia should provide air navigation services over Crimea and territorial waters, and Ukraine - over neutral waters, but subject to technical agreements with Russia on air navigation services in the region of Simferopol.

Flights over the Crimea and territorial waters generally do not raise doubts about their legitimacy among representatives of ICAO and are proposed by them as one of the mandatory components in a possible joint tripartite solution, not requiring entry into the European Air Navigation Plan ".

So again I repeat, the whole ukrogopompaniya goes through the forest and ..fields !!!

[subbtin.725]

QUOTE: "Ukraine wants to collect fines from Russia for flights over the territory of Crimea"

Again they have Wishlist, you know ...

[asar]

Or maybe they can anoint their nose with jam ?! Or send a "lip-rolling machine" by mail to Russia ?!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: asar

Or maybe they can anoint their nose with jam ?! Or send a "lip-rolling machine" by mail to Russia ?!

I don’t know what about jam, but it’s high time to smear them forehead with green stuff)))

[Lord of the Sith]

Full version. Gubarev communicates with Kurginyan

[sandrmur76]

Kurginyan Chamor. He needs to be traded on the vegetable market. No matter how much RESPECT for militias His tongue needs to be shortened. All the militias apologize from me for this talk

[TVM - 75]

Such an abomination is this Kurginyan! The most commonplace provocateur!

[maxon106]

Such an abomination is this Kurginyan! The most commonplace provocateur!
And he bought with his personal money and sent a mobile hospital !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stephan cat]

In the big game, that's all - seeds. We are talking about completely different grandmothers. I struck something higher above.

[avdkrd]

Quote: maxon106

And he bought with his personal money and sent a mobile hospital !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it does not give the right to behave like a prostitute and just to PR in war. Goebels treated the children with sweets .... of the wrong format, of course, a comparison, but Kurginyan did not lie next to him in format and with Strelkov. what would the slop pour on him, odd from a television show.

[lukke]

Full version. Gubarev communicates with Kurginyan

poor chief of staff, I would not be able to endure this hysterical Kurginyan trying to prove something to myself for so long. Particularly touched as a director and a boltologist, Kurginyan flaunts the fact that he is an officer, unlike ordinary Gubarev, and is better able to evaluate the actions of the unit commander Strelkov who conducted the military operation at least, and the maximum I’m afraid to even think about, but the Frunze Academy is already nervously smoking aside and thinking about self-dissolution due to unsuitability against the background of such stars in the world of directors Mikhalkovs, Kurginyany). In a word - I would have sat better at home and was silent - I would have gone for a smart one)

[stephan cat]

Not everything is clean with supplies. Most likely, the babos go to the left (12 thousand machines that no one has seen). Kurginyan hoped, apparently, on a different alignment near Slavyansk, such as the war will write off everything (and machine guns and ATGMs and tanks, etc.), but the problem came out. Now you need to report where he put all this stuff. So grandfather ran in front of the locomotive, decided to write off everything on Strelkov. And behind the grandfather, people are standing with their snouts in fluff, as it turns out. And, after all, for this case, the GDP can break the backside. We rushed about. The shooters, unfortunately, the same "got" - he left the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk region (the trump card in the negotiations during the "division of property" - huge deposits of shale gas) to deal with ratism in the rear. Now someone has to keep the answer for this whole thing. They sent my grandfather to Donetsk and they themselves try to use the controlled media and resources.
Oh, I would have clasped my grandfather’s fingers with the door ... I think I would have told a lot of interesting things. And then, waste ...

[AVV]

Let them serve, at least to the US State Department, but in return, we will stop all flights of Western countries, including Ukraine and the United States over the territory of Russia !!! Who will lose more is another question !!!

[TUNISIA]

Right!!! Let them send their ambassador from Washington by train to Moscow!

[Shadow1]

Especially flights to Afghanistan, planes, then they will understand what and how

[TUNISIA]

Why did she stick to us this Ukraine? In March 2014, the independent Republic of Crimea became part of Russia. Crimea had not yet entered, but was no longer Ukrainian! What does Russia have to do with it ?! Ask better from Honduras: they are to blame!

[Giant thought]

It is easier to make Ukraine disappear as a state, so it will be cheaper.

[armageddon]

Hmm ... Why pay attention to the sick ... Let Natsik DOWNLOAD !!!

[volot-voin]

Quote: Armagedon

What to pay attention to the sick ... Let Natsik DOWNLOAD !!!

As the story shows. patients must be isolated so that they do not interfere with normal ones. And if they just jumped, they don’t even bleed, they kill living people.

[APASUS]

Quote: Joonkey

The dog barks - the caravan goes

Why does it seem to me that it's all about money?

[atalef]

Quote: APASUS

Why does it seem to me that it's all about money?

And what role does this have?
There’s only one question: Crimea isn’t to be returned, and Ukraine will have to turn for it, for every plane. for each ship. What is Ukraine losing at all? Nothing, and life will poison and grandmother
And most likely you’ll have to pay or negotiate.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

There’s only one question: Crimea isn’t to be returned, and Ukraine will have to turn for it, for every plane. for each ship. What is Ukraine losing at all? Nothing, and life will poison and grandmother

Sanya, who will pay them what? If you pay, it means that you automatically refuse to recognize the Crimea, who will go for it. One idle talk for the cattle dumb establishment.
They know for gas and for rice and for hell that they still ask, they don’t get anything current.

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sanya, who will pay them what?

Sanya, I’ll explain it to you in a simple way. There is ICAO (and a dispute court) - all organizations included in it pay membership dues. Recognizing the jurisdiction of ICAO (and arbitration) over its members, using legal. technical and drungoy help.
I think you understand further.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If you pay, then automatically refuse to recognize the Crimea

No, it's like parental support. (there is such garbage) and it seems that he didn’t see your dad and he didn’t do anything good for you, but the court awarded ...

Quote: Alexander Romanov

They know for gas and for rice and for hell that they still ask, they don’t get anything current.

There is a difference between direct contracts and the presence of an intermediary.
You know the European Court of Justice - its decisions of the Russian Federation are executed in a second. but the decisions of your courts-- you will wait for years --- well, in general, something like this.

Quote: Barsik

Well, we laid down their sanctions. Their realities and ours are two different things

Of course they laid down, paid, and then put it down again. The Russian Federation abroad has so many assets that again, there is no need to strain.

Quote: Vitalka

I don’t know how with aviation, but seaports for Chinese ships in the Crimea will be open. Others? Your proe..b..ny merchant fleet must be revived

Yes? By the way, who will build the bridge to the Crimea? they said that the Chinese-- and they refused-- what do you think - why?

The construction of the Kerch bridge, which will connect Crimea with the continental part of Russia, can cost the Russian budget 150-200 billion rubles, said Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak. In addition, a ferry will be constructedwithout attracting private investment

Do you know why without private investment? mk automatically the investor gets sanctioned

[bmv04636]

China put a lot on these sanctions

[bmv04636]

let the border be demarcated first there are no borders and there is no dispute is it true atalef (4)

[bmv04636]

and the borders are defined, demarcation took place, the parties signed
what used to work is not recognition
as the hero said without a piece of paper, you poop and a piece of paper with a man

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

There is ICAO

They will not interfere in politics; Crimea is politics.

Quote: atalef

You know the European Court of Justice - its decisions of the Russian Federation are executed in a second. but the decisions of your courts-- you will wait for years --- well, in general, something like this.

Sanya, why are you bothering, they will send to the European court and all the others, if necessary.

[Rostov]

Quote: atalef

Sanya, I’ll explain it to you in a simple way.

Here you are constantly (though you are not alone) trying to seem like a specialist in jurisprudence. But in fact, you are only expressing your personal opinion.

Quote: atalef

No, it's like parental support. (there is such garbage) and it seems that he didn’t see your dad and he didn’t do anything good for you, but the court awarded ...

No court will take such a decision if the parent did not participate in the upbringing of the child, including himself did not pay child support. At least this is the practice of applying the Family Code of the Russian Federation.

Quote: atalef

There is ICAO (and a dispute court) - all organizations included in it pay membership dues. Recognizing ICAO jurisdiction (and arbitration)

ICAO is not involved in arbitration, especially the resolution of financial disputes between states.

Quote: atalef

You know the European Court of Justice - its decisions of the Russian Federation are executed in a second. but the decisions of your courts-- you will wait for years --- well, in general, something like this.

As I understand it, you mean the financial component of the court decision - and so in the case where the defendant is the Russian Federation (or rather, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation), such decisions of the Russian courts are executed at the same speed as the decisions of the ECHR.

Quote: atalef

The Russian Federation has so many assets abroad that again, there is no need to strain

Moreover, the assets of the Russian Federation, and private airlines? Or what do you mean? Explain?

[atalef]

Quote: Rostov

Here you are constantly (though not you alone) trying to seem like a specialist in law

I'm not an expert

Quote: Rostov

No court will take such a decision if the parent did not participate in the upbringing of the child, including himself did not pay child support. At least this is the practice of applying the Family Code of the Russian Federation.

Of course, I think Ukraine will prove without a problem in court. like 50 years fed. raised. raised and spent loot in Krymka

Quote: Rostov

ICAO is not involved in arbitration, especially the resolution of financial disputes between states.

This is not a financial dispute. ICAO has executive bodies as in arbitration (more precisely, in the analysis of conflicts). and sanctions

Quote: Rostov

Moreover, the assets of the Russian Federation, and private airlines? Or what do you mean? Explain?

Private traders (if there are threats of sanctions) - they themselves will not fly. those. will have to create a company with state capital, and therefore --- all property of the state capital - may be a guarantee for financial disputes.

[Rostov]

Quote: atalef

Private traders (if there are threats of sanctions) - they themselves will not fly. those. will have to create a company with state capital, and therefore --- all property of the state capital - may be a guarantee for financial disputes.

"I'll tell you one clever thing, but don't be offended" (C) (Mimino)
But in fact, a company in which there is state capital (or part of the capital) is not identical to the state. Such a company conducts its business not on behalf of the state, but on its own, that is state does not bear financial responsibility for the activities of such a company.

Perhaps you are reminded of the story with the Noga firm. There, yes, the contract was concluded on behalf of the Russian Federation (EBN to help them). But such "super contracts" have not been concluded for a long time.

Quote: atalef

This is not a financial dispute. ICAO has executive bodies as in arbitration (more precisely, in the analysis of conflicts). and sanctions

Do not contradict yourself.

Quote: atalef

And most likely you will have to pay or negotiate

With the same phrase, you started telling your namesake how ICAO will begin to bend Russia financially? To which I answered you

Quote: Rostov

ICAO is not involved in arbitration, especially the resolution of financial disputes between states.

[bmv04636]

Since June 23, Crimea began exporting grain from the 2014 harvest. The first deliveries were made to Saudi Arabia and Cyprus, the Rosselkhoznadzor said in a statement.
Grain harvest in Crimea this year is expected to reach 1,2 million tons, about half of this will be exported.
It is noted that the Rosselkhoznadzor administration in the republic supervises grain quality from the Crimea, and all shipped products fully comply with the requirements of exporting countries.
As I understand this news, it says that it’s as if they simply put a big and thick one on the EU’s sanctions, however, it is desirable and preferably at a competitive price

[VAF]

Quote: atalef

There’s only one question: Crimea isn’t to be returned, and Ukraine will have to turn for it, for every plane. for each ship. What is Ukraine losing at all? Nothing, and life will poison and grandmother

Sasha, you are deeply wrong! as Ukraine is losing a lot, because stopping flights through its territory she, Ukraine. lost good money from us for providing our airspace and our navigation aids and ATIS.
There were money. And now .. they are sitting smoking bamboo or well ..
And for our .... not so big and the hook through Anapa-Krasnodar and Rostov.

So no one will have to pay anything .. the EANP has already made changes about the state affiliation of Simferopol International Airport .. so ..... let them write letters and ... complain to Banana and UsSAK

[atalef]

Quote: vaf

Sasha, you are deeply wrong! as Ukraine is losing a lot, because stopping flights through its territory she, Ukraine. lost good money from us for providing our airspace and our navigation aids and ATIS.

Hi. Seryozha
I agree . just a conversation is not about that. that Ukraine would be better, she does. that would be the Russian Federation - it was worse

Quote: vaf

There were money. And now .. they are sitting smoking bamboo or well ..
And for our .... not so big and the hook through Anapa-Krasnodar and Rostov.

I agree with you. But this does not cancel their desire to do disgusting things.

Quote: vaf

So no one will have to pay anything .. the EANP has already made changes about the state affiliation of Simferopol International Airport .. so ..... let them write letters and ... complain to Banana and UsSAK

have international flights to Simferopol? And if expected then when? My friend needs to fly in August.

[atalef]

Quote: Joonkey

The dog barks - the caravan goes

In general, if you look objectively - this is far from the case. Simferopol had the status of an international airport - now it has been deprived of this status (ICAO), and this is not just so.
The Russian Federation cannot influence ICAO decisions, and its decisions are binding on all members of this organization. It's like an arbitration court - they will award compensation - you will have to pay, or the property of the Russian Federation abroad will be seized - as it was already. This must be approached carefully.
No company operating flights to Crimea can fly abroad (it will lose its ICAO license, and without it, this plane will not accept any airport in the world), the same is true for seaports

ICAO is a specialized agency of the United Nations (UN), the main purpose of which is to develop standards and recommended practices.

ICAO Headquarters has been located in Montreal (Canada) since ratification of the Convention on International Civil Aviation (Chicago Convention 1947) in April 1944. Currently, there are 191 member states of ICAO.

The goals and objectives of the Organization are to develop the principles and methods of international air navigation and to facilitate the planning and development of international air transport in order to:

a) ensure the safe and orderly development of international civil aviation throughout the world;
b) develop the design and operation of aircraft for peaceful purposes;
c) develop airways, airports and air navigation facilities for international civil aviation;
d) meet the needs of the peoples of the world for safe, regular, efficient and economical air transport;
e) prevent economic losses caused by unreasonable competition;
f) ensure respect for the rights of the Contracting States and fair opportunities for each Contracting State to use airlines operating in international air traffic;
g) to avoid discrimination against Contracting States;
h) contribute to the safety of flights in international air navigation;
i) provide general assistance in the development of international civil aeronautics in all its aspects.

The USSR entered ICAO on November 14, 1970. In 1971, at the 18th session of the ICAO Assembly, the Soviet Union was elected by 100 votes from the 111 Contracting States participating in the vote, to the main governing body - the ICAO Council, and the Russian language was adopted as a working language along with English, French and Spanish. At the first session of the ICAO Council after the Assembly, a Soviet expert was elected to the ICAO Air Navigation Commission. From this moment, in accordance with the provisions of Resolution A4-1 of the ICAO Assembly, the Soviet Union, and subsequently the Russian Federation, shall provide permanent representation at the Headquarters of the Organization in order to ensure the participation of the member States of the Council in the work of the Organization.

[bmv04636]

so the internal carrier which flies will fly
The question is, how did you resolve the issue with Cyprus?

[atalef]

Quote: bmv04636

so the internal carrier which flies will fly
The question is, how did you resolve the issue with Cyprus?

You mean Northern Cyprus (recognized only by Turkey) - no way fly. Local (non-departing) - Turkish Airlines. But S. Cyprus is not a part of Turkey, so Turkey cannot formally suffer,

Ercan International Airport [eɾˈdʒan] (IATA: ECN, ICAO: LCEN), (tour Ercan Uluslararası Havalimanı is an airport of the partially recognized state of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Due to the fact that the airport is located in a state that is not recognized by most of the world community, it is also does not have official status of an international airport and its IATA and ICAO codes are not included in officially registered lists.

Located east of the capital of the Republic of Cyprus Nicosia near the village of Timvu. All airplanes flying to and from Ercan Airport must land at one of the Turkish airports.

[bmv04636]

ICAO an international organization can only deprive the status of an international airport. We survive in domestic transport. We can point them to the door.
and the question was greatly helped by ICAO when wide dill shot down our civilian plane where security

[Vitalka]

I don’t know how with aviation, but seaports for Chinese ships in the Crimea will be open. Others? His pro..b..ny merchant fleet must be revived.

[fevg]

Quote: atalef

ICAO is a specialized agency of the United Nations (UN), the main purpose of which is to develop standards and recommended practices.

Recommended ... Do not push!
The principle of "mutual responsibility" - is it all or no one? You can do it, or you can NOT.

[VAF]

Quote: atalef

Simferopol had the status of an international airport - now it has been deprived of this status (ICAO) - and this is not just.

XTO told you that ???

[Момент]

Question; Is it possible to walk?
Answer; Only with penalty tickets

[Rostov]

The article is somehow left-wing, firstly, ICAO does not deal with arbitration, especially the resolution of financial disputes between states.
Secondly, the European Court of Human Rights, in principle, cannot consider a case of violation of the territorial integrity of a state.

[yushch]

Quote: Joonkey

The dog barks - the caravan goes

You noticed that they do not change their manuals.
They have to, Russia must and must have large fines, or someone will punish Russia, though who is not clear.
It is regrettable to realize that the leadership of Ukraine has a desire only to grab something at HALYAVKA, they have not learned to do anything else.

[v245721]

the dog barks, the wind wears.

[Diamred]

Truly so.

[sever.56]

Do they need anything from underwear?

[starpom]

Nah, just the key to the apartment ...

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: starpom

Nah, just the key to the apartment ...

"From a dead donkey's ears. Get it from Pushkin. Goodbye, defective ..."
(O. Bender. Complete collection of sayings in 2's books (C))

[inkass_98]

Quote: sever.56

Do they need anything from underwear?

No, Tsarev had them pretty well stocked back in May ...

[asar]

PAMPERS PREFERREDLY!

[MSA]

Stuffed up the dust swallow, smelly dill.

[Fuse]

Soon Ukrainian "Wishlist" will break in half from such requests

[Arh]

At dill ogony, we’ve already gone))))

[Bassoon]

Fat kills dill brain

[cosmos132]

They already import fat. Piss hit her head.

[lexxxus]

I think from here legs grow: http://ria.ru/world/20140709/1015273488.html

Together with weapons they deliver to Ukraine

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: Fagot

Fat kills dill brain

EEEEE, more careful with fat, I also love fat, but it does not kill my brain!
They have a special, "wrong" fat, from Victoria Nuland and the State Department.
Or from the "wrong" pigs ...

[kergudu straight]

Their bacon sucked sucked a fagot

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: podpolkovnik

EEEEE, more careful with fat, I also love fat,

One hundred and first time I repeat that for Khokhlov fat is drug No. 1.

[podpolkovnik]

And once again I remind you that they have the wrong fat, since they are so stubborn ...

[kot28.ru]

Dreamers all the dough to cut somewhere YES FREE! ALL HAVE BEEN ADOPTED TO SIT IN NECK, DANGERING LEGS !!!

[Russ69]

By the way, it may well be why some have enthusiasm.
The same goes for ports. Ships calling at the ports of Crimea will be detained and fined. One example is Georgia, which detained ships leaving the port of Abkhazia. Sukhoi Airport was not launched for the same reason ...
So that it is quite possible Svidomo will jump again, and we will wipe ourselves. Yes, and not to get used to us already, judging by the latest events ...

[Sergei 57]

Do not worry, we do not need minor victories.

[Russ69]

Quote: Sergey 57

Do not worry, we do not need minor victories.

Small ones? But what about the development of ports in the Crimea? And after fines, the operation of airports may be in question.
And what is the basis of the lulling, I do not understand yet. If you can explain ...

[atalef]

Quote: Russ69

Small ones? But what about the development of ports in the Crimea? And after fines, the operation of airports may be in question. And what is the basis of the lulling, I do not understand yet. If you can explain ...

Ships under the so-called black flag - S. Korea and a couple of rogue states will be able to enter Crimea. Not a single Russian company will risk mk. it will automatically fall under penalties and the possibility of arrest at any other port abroad. I'm not talking about the fact that not a single tourist ship will come close to the Crimea .-- these are realities, like it or not.

[bmv04636]

But what about the Greek ferries
and again the question is how did you solve the problem with Cyprus

[Barsik]

Ships under the so-called black flag - S. Korea and a couple of rogue states will be able to enter Crimea. Not a single Russian company will risk mk. it will automatically fall under penalties and the possibility of arrest at any other port abroad. I'm not talking about the fact that not a single tourist ship will come close to the Crimea .-- these are realities, like it or not.

Well, we laid down their sanctions. Their realities and ours are two different things. This pr EBNe Russian property was arrested, but now let them risk their health

[Russ69]

Quote: atalef

it's realities, like it or not.

And people do not care about reality. The Russian authorities have already bent on sanctions, and the people still consider themselves cool ...

[Gomunkul]

Ships under the so-called black flag will be able to enter Crimea

You are not right.

Some Crimean ports are experiencing positive dynamics, the Customs said at the exhibition. North-West-2014 ”in St. Petersburg, Deputy Head of the Federal Customs Service (FCS) of Russia Sergey Komlichenko

“The work is proceeding in a good, normal mode, goods come from suppliers from Turkey and other countries, some of the suppliers have moved from the port of Odessa,” he said, noting that specific indicators cannot yet be named, because “not all results have been summed up yet.”

According to the representative of the FCS, “the transition period is ongoing, staffing and needs are being formed, training is being conducted.” To establish the work of customs, it was necessary to solve many issues related to the transition from the hryvnia to the ruble, the regulation of licensed activities, placement and organization of jobs, obtaining Russian citizenship by customs officers, said Komlichenko. The priority task for today, he called the technical equipment of the customs authorities.

According to ITAR-TASS agency from St. Petersburg, Komlichenko recalled that the FCS was one of the first state authorities in the Russian Federation to appear in Crimea after the reunification of the peninsula with Russia. Currently, there are two customs offices - Sevastopol, which includes 4 customs posts, and Crimean, including 9 customs posts.

As the FCS press service explained to ITAR-TASS, agricultural goods from Turkey and other countries of the Black Sea and Mediterranean basins now pass through Crimean customs.

http://www.tks.ru/news/nearby/2014/06/05/0007

[atalef]

Quote: Gomunkul

You are not right.

I'm right, the ports have not closed yet. appeal is being prepared, the same with ICAO.

[bmv04636]

and China is ready to invest in a bridge and not only for the development of Crimea

[bmv04636]

let them conduct the demarcation of borders first; there are no borders; there are no questions, is not it atalef (4)

[atalef]

Quote: bmv04636

let them conduct the demarcation of borders first; there are no borders; there are no questions, is not it atalef (4)

The Russian Federation and Ukraine did not have territorial disputes. this was confirmed during the creation of the CIS and the subsequent Budapest Treaty.
Border demarcation is a purely technical procedure (+ .-) a couple of meters back and forth, a kilometer to the side. But no more than that.

[atalef]

Quote: bmv04636

let them conduct the demarcation of borders first; there are no borders; there are no questions, is not it atalef (4)

The Russian Federation and Ukraine did not have territorial disputes. this was confirmed during the creation of the CIS and the subsequent Budapest Treaty.
Border demarcation is a purely technical procedure (+ .-) a couple of meters back and forth, a kilometer to the side. But no more than that.

[bmv04636]

I wrote what one person said without a piece of paper, you poop, and if you don’t have a piece of paper, you can argue until you turn blue and you must have a full set of documents before submitting it, any court will tell you that. We were promised a lot of things when signing the agreements and where are all these promises.
And as I remember the wide dill did not ratify the CIS treaty
and since there are no established borders, there is a civil war, and smart people have also signed an agreement with a hey collective farm, and there the restitution point has already been discussed here. There is nothing to pay money for; there is no way out alone in the regions to conduct a referendum on status under the auspices of the UN. There are precedents, for example, Sudan under the auspices of the UN allocated South Sudan

[VAF]

Quote: atalef

I'm right, the ports have not closed yet. appeal is being prepared, the same with ICAO.

Sanya. Don’t breed a panic, read above in my komenty - already sent ukrov and with ports will send as well.
You forgot to add. That they were going to file for damages for the fact that the Crimean gas fields are now Russian. And the Ukrainians themselves could produce gas there .. well and all sorts of .... muini !!!

[bmv04636]

Since June 23, Crimea began exporting grain from the 2014 harvest. The first deliveries were made to Saudi Arabia and Cyprus, the Rosselkhoznadzor said in a statement.
It is noted that the Rosselkhoznadzor administration in the republic supervises grain quality from the Crimea, and all shipped products fully comply with the requirements of exporting countries.
Grain harvest in Crimea this year is expected to reach 1,2 million tons, about half of this will be exported.
It is noted that the Rosselkhoznadzor administration in the republic supervises grain quality from the Crimea, and all shipped products fully comply with the requirements of exporting countries.
Note Cyprus put big and thick on EU sanctions regarding products from the Crimea everyone wants to eat and it is advisable to buy at a competitive price

[fevg]

There will be no court decision in favor of Ukraine. In any case, I hope so. The first penalty is the immediate entry into force of actual sanctions. Further, omitting the read materials on the site, the meaning is war.

[Marconi41]

Do you think Panama (a convenient flag) will also stand up for the Ukrainians? All this is very doubtful ...

[Vladimirets]

Everything can be, of course. But I think the situation here is somewhat different, formally Abkhazia is an independent country (we officially think so, ), Crimea is our territory, it is probably not difficult to organize the protection of civil courts by the forces of the CCF from the twin cities of the valiant sailors of Somalia.

[Russ69]

Quote: Vladimirets

But I think the situation here is slightly different, formally Abkhazia is an independent country (we think so officially, smile), Crimea is our territory,

Only now, only we consider Crimea to be our own. Others for the most part think otherwise ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Russ69

Only now, only we consider Crimea to be our own. Others for the most part think otherwise ...

About international organizations that regulate air transportation and shipping, this is understandable, just

Quote: Russ69

Georgia’s example, which delayed ships leaving the port of Abkhazia.

it is unlikely to work here if, for example, some Volgo-Balt-190 assigned to the Novorossiysk port tries to detain the Getman Sagaidachny.

[Russ69]

Quote: Vladimirets

some "Volgo-Balt-190" assigned to the Novorossiysk port will try to detain the "Hetman Sagaidachny".

Volgo-Baltas alone cannot improve efficiency, let alone the development of ports. All foreign ships will go either to Odessa or to other Russian ports.

[Roman070280]

Others, for the most part, also consider Crimea to be Russian .. Only they say, as a rule, not what they think .. and not what is true ..
the Americans recognized back in March that Crimea had gone off forever .. and there’s nothing to be surprised at, since it has always been Russian .. However, they still say the opposite ..

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Roman070280

the Americans recognized back in March that Crimea had gone off forever .. and there’s nothing to be surprised at, since it has always been Russian .. However, they still say the opposite ..

This is a hook for Russia, and for a long time, in which case recognition of Crimea as Russian territory can be exchanged for any concessions and no one will just recognize it. Remember the archaic Jackson-Vanik amendment, because of what it was introduced and how it was canceled.

[atalef]

Quote: Vladimirets

Everything can be, of course. But I think the situation here is somewhat different, formally Abkhazia is an independent country (we officially think so,

This is probably why both ports and airports do not work there.

Quote: Vladimirets

Crimea is our territory

It remains to convince Ukraine and the UN

Quote: Vladimirets

It’s probably not difficult to organize the protection of civil courts by the forces of the CCF from the twin cities of the valiant sailors of Somalia

Nobody will attack them. And why, let’s say a ship came in - Academician Pupkin in Yalta - wonderful, Ukraine filed a lawsuit against him (of course, not in the Basmanny court) - if this ship calls at a port of a foreign state, it automatically gets arrested and dismantled in court . Now tell me - you, as the owner of the vessel, will agree to such hemorrhoids? Only for the sake of Yalta or another port of Crimea.
Ukraine, in general, doesn’t need to particularly strain here. Record ships and sue.

[bmv04636]

Akademik Pupkin enters the port of Yalta under the flag of Tutkin and suddenly becomes neutral in neutral waters under the flags of the New Year

[Barsik]

Ukraine, in general, doesn’t need to particularly strain here. Record ships and sue.

Soon there will be nothing and nothing to record

[gfs84]

I apologize for the stupid question, but if all the Crimean ports are legally registered as territorial subsidiaries of some "Novorossiysk seaport" LLC with registration in Novorossiysk of the Russian Federation and all document flow should be carried out on the basis that ships arrive, as it were, in Novorossiysk just to the farthest berth ?. Well, with airports also like the Anapa airport, additional runways have appeared ...

[bmv04636]

first you need to prove the ownership of your territory, we will hire you cunning lawyers for the sons of Moses once you have ratified the border treaty, you can sue for a long time and you will look at the matter of time and dill will not take apart everything for restitution

[shuhartred]

Quote: atalef

Ukraine, in general, doesn’t need to particularly strain here. Record ships and sue.

Yes, no one will file a lawsuit. Ukraine is simply trying to write off at least part of its huge debt to Russia. Agree somehow. A couple of three lards will be written off for the recognition of Crimea. There, politicians will not agree, but big capital, and they all look at things realistically. So far, not a single clear sanction has been applied, all snot chewing. Why do you think that for the sake of some hotelok in Ukraine, decisions will be made with such far-reaching consequences (from your words)?

[atalef]

Quote: shuhartred

Yes, no one will file a lawsuit. Ukraine is simply trying to write off at least part of its huge debt to Russia

So I say - you have to agree.

Quote: shuhartred

For recognition of the Crimea will write off a couple of three Lard

For recognition of the Crimea - write off Strelkova - remember well. what am I saying.

Quote: shuhartred

Why do you think that for the sake of some hotelok in Ukraine, decisions will be made with such far-reaching consequences (from your words)?

Because the Russian Federation is far from the center of the universe. and the number of states (including representatives of which sit in different courts. commissions and so on. UN) is very large, and why do you think. that they so suddenly ignite with love.

[shuhartred]

Quote: atalef

For recognition of the Crimea - write off Strelkova - remember well. what am I saying.

One person per peninsula? Good exchange. Then Strelkov gets into a car accident and continues his business under a different surname and with a different appearance. Great combination.

[Stypor23]

Quote: Russ69

Yes, and do not get used to us already

Not to us, but to the leadership of the country. Do you live near the Russian-Ukrainian border?

[Russ69]

Quote: Stypor23

Do you live near the Russian-Ukrainian border?

Far away, to be honest ...

[Maks-80]

If there is a Russian Black Sea Fleet in the region, who will stop the vessels?

[Russ69]

Quote: Maks-80

If there is a Russian Black Sea Fleet in the region, who will stop the vessels?

Georgians stopped that dill hurt. Yes, and more opportunities ...

[Slavapom]

It’s interesting to me, and by what forces they, the Ukrainians, will delay the ships leaving the ports of Crimea. That still comedy will be.

[VAF]

Quote: Russ69

By the way, it may well be why some have enthusiasm.

Hi, man! No, it can’t .. at the very beginning of the tape I posted a comment .. there I painted everything in plain language as it is.
The article is full of DESA and ..... "radish"

[Russ69]

Quote: vaf

The article is full of DESA and ..... "radish

Hi!
Of course, there will be no problems for our aviation ports. But with international flights you have to wait ...
More problems could be with closing ports ...

[kot28.ru]

And soon, they won’t let Sy-S-300 go to the piz!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

I remember a comic clip - planes are on the ground, the airport is crowded with people, a sad boy close-up ...
Signature: "S-300. That's why they don't fly ..."

[podpolkovnik]

Five points!

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I remember a comic clip - planes are on the ground, the airport is crowded with people, a sad boy close-up ...
Signature: "S-300. That's why they don't fly ..."

Carry a record!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Well, it’s not I who shot that video :)))

[bmv04636]

remind me of the Trans-Siberian air corridor through whose territory passes and how the heykhlopts will fly to China and Japan

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: bmv04636

remind me of the Trans-Siberian air corridor through whose territory passes and how the heykhlopts will fly to China and Japan

They already dug up the Black Sea in ancient times and poured mountains of the Caucasus ...
The underground channel will be dug without shaming the glory of the ancestors.

[bmv04636]

yes I'm not talking about great ukrov I'm talking about hey collective farmers
the question is whether civil aviation (airline companies) in dill is generally there or not

[Reserve officer]

This next far-fetched problem is solved simply by the exclusion of Ukraine from all international organizations for the establishment of a fascist regime and for the genocide of the population.
And to be honest, their impudence and stupidity have already gotten.

[Russ69]

Quote: Reserve officer

This next far-fetched problem is solved simply by the exclusion of Ukraine from all international organizations for the establishment of a fascist regime and for the genocide of the population.

And hto exclude them? You can find out. While everyone comes running towards us, so much so that the Kremlin is afraid to even look askance towards dill ...

[nicollider]

Well, based on the position of ICAO: maintaining the right to control the Ruin, the lawsuit may well be satisfied, however, as one daughter of a Sevastopol officer used to say, it’s not so simple: if you leave ICAO, the airspace will also be closed for the countries participating in this organization. and this, excuse me, grandmother.

so there are 2 options here: to satisfy the Vremezhikov from the Ruins and get on the headstock - or let everything go on the brakes, or even recognize the right to airspace for the Russian Federation.

And, to be honest - everything is very, very sad: the greed of the ukopatriots burned their last brains.

[Russ69]

Quote: nicollider

And, to be honest - everything is very, very sad: the greed of the ukopatriots burned their last brains.

For the Kremlin, they are partners ...

[atalef]

Quote: nicollider

in the event of withdrawal from ICAO, the airspace will be closed to the countries participating in this organization. and this, excuse me, grandmother.

Should the Russian Federation withdraw from ICAO? Yes, can you imagine what it is? This will never happen. It is easy to take and bury all flights abroad. Who will do this?

Quote: nicollider

so there are 2 options here: to satisfy the Vremezhikov from the Ruins and get on the headstock - or let everything go on the brakes, or even recognize the right to airspace for the Russian Federation.

They will never recognize this, and the Russian Federation will have to seek a compromise. All the same, there is an opportunity for foreign companies to fly without entering the airspace of the Russian Federation, but not a single aircraft will fly from Russia abroad.

[bmv04636]

I don’t quite agree. The Russian transportation market is growing dynamically compared to the collective farm and losing it to the collective farm. Look at the southern stream. Italy has already got a document from Slovenia and they put it on their stocks.

[atalef]

Quote: bmv04636

I don’t quite agree. The Russian transportation market is growing dynamically compared to the collective farm and losing it to the collective farm. Look at the southern stream. Italy has already got a document from Slovenia and they put it on their stocks.

Do not confuse personal Slovenian wool and ICAO (which is generally the United Nations) and therefore a draw.
Then they signed the South Stream - wonderful, build, investments, jobs, several years of employment, but whether gas will go darker and how much will be bought from this pipe is a question.
Understand - money for transit is a penny. When the main cream was removed by local companies at the construction site (the pipe is not theirs, however) - then, when Gazprom is ready to pump gas and it seems to start making money - they’ll say sorry - we have our own
The problem with the South Stream can be much worse than with the North. Severny is now operating at 50% capacity - ask why? And do not buy more. Therefore, there are no guarantees. A pipe can be built, and gas from it will be bought with a gulkin nose.

[bmv04636]

well, let's wait for the winter and we’ll see everything. Enough question about gas production in Norway. Great Germany falls. By 2022 Poland closes the last nuclear power station. Qatar buys LNG for 600 Baku. Wonderful shales. Better not tell the latest data on a promising shale miracle in the US Monterey field. reduced by 98% and for your information, the decline in shale oil and gas production catastrophically occurs quickly debit in seven years is less than 20% of the initial debit reinforced to drill the United States just started somewhere around 5-6 years ago and in two years they will have instead of shale gas and oil zilch and earthquakes

[shuhartred]

Quote: atalef

And do not buy more. Therefore, there are no guarantees. A pipe can be built, and gas from it will be bought with a gulkin nose.

And if you stop transit through Ukraine? In general, I do not care, I'm not working in Gazprom. They all have big heads there, let them think. They get paid for it.

[atalef]

Quote: shuhartred

And if you stop transit through Ukraine?

Of course it is possible . just what is the gain? The same amount of gas (that went through Ukraine) you will drive through the new pipeline (income from the previous amount of gas - does not change. What does this mean?
That your direct losses amount to (at least) the price of a new gas pipeline

Quote: shuhartred

They all have big heads there, let them think. They get paid for it.

gloves are definitely big.
The horse has the same big head.

[bmv04636]

and the gain is that the second contract with China is being prepared for signing and the gas for neg is just from Urengoy, but as I said above, when the Norwegian gas production drops, the closure of nuclear power plants in Germany does not give a happy picture for the collective farm

[shuhartred]

Quote: atalef

Of course it is possible . just what is the gain?

They will not steal. And you won’t have to pay for transit. Well, the United States click on the nose, the GTS was seized, and nobody needs it.

[atalef]

Quote: shuhartred

Quote: atalef

Of course it is possible . just what is the gain?

They will not steal. And you won’t have to pay for transit. Well, the United States click on the nose, the GTS was seized, and nobody needs it.

simple task in economics
The cost of the South Stream - 16 billion euros
transit fee to Ukraine is about - under 1 billion per year
how much gas should Ukraine have to spray per year, so that the project would be recognized as cost-effective?
By the way, do not forget to include in this the costs of operating the South Stream, as Ukraine itself contained part of the pipe at the expense of transit fees
By the way, without the Ukrainian gas transportation system, Europe can’t do without all the gas malls in Europe - where? That's right - in Ukraine,

[bmv04636]

and how much hemorrhoids and why don’t you write about the repair that you need to carry out the pipe, it’s breathing and it’s like 30 billion euros where you need to get the money. and UGS was needed with dill, it was easier for them to select our export gas at the beginning of the pipe in the east since main consumers in the east then on the western border they returned what they took learn materiel

[shuhartred]

Quote: atalef

how much gas should Ukraine have to spray per year, so that the project would be recognized as cost-effective?

I do not understand, that is, let them steal something? Make stealing gas more profitable than building a pipe around a thief? Damn yourself your economy, your teachers are crying !!! Ukrainians have stolen all 23 years of independence and stolen much more than some miserable 16 lards and are stealing even now from Europe. Your post is at least strange, you were not inadvertently shocked there?

[bmv04636]

if ICAO takes the side of wide dill and if it doesn’t result in looking like Ukrainians cutting their hair like we won’t want then Argentina will bill the same for the Malvinas Islands and Spain for Gibraltar Great Britain

[lelikas]

Quote: atalef

Should the Russian Federation withdraw from ICAO? Yes, can you imagine what it is? This will never happen. It is easy to take and bury all flights abroad. Who will do this?

That is, until 1970, not one Soviet aircraft did not fly abroad and there were no regular flights ???

[atalef]

Quote: lelikas

That is, until 1970, not one Soviet aircraft did not fly abroad and there were no regular flights ???

what

Quote: lelikas

Quote: atalef

Should the Russian Federation withdraw from ICAO? Yes, can you imagine what it is? This will never happen. It is easy to take and bury all flights abroad. Who will do this?

That is, until 1970, not one Soviet aircraft did not fly abroad and there were no regular flights ???

the difference, what was before 1970? Now the situation is completely different.

[shuhartred]

Quote: atalef

Now the situation is completely different.

Yes, that you are all the nightmares of Israel will not exactly wane. I personally see five options for the development of the situation. 1 Nothing will happen. That is, either the Ukrainians will not get excited, or they will be sent. 2 Tighten the trial for years using legal tricks. The one with the most grandmas will win. Or file some counterclaim, etc., etc. 3 Do not use the Crimean ports until in Ukraine the power (to a more sane) is changed, or change it by ourselves. They knew what they were doing and for 20 years they did without Crimea. 4 Somehow agree. 5 Ukraine will cease to exist as a subject of international law and the case will be written off to the archive. But in any case, I doubt that ours will pay (fines).

[atalef]

Quote: shuhartred

Quote: atalef

Now the situation is completely different.

Yes, that you are all the nightmares of Israel will not exactly wane. I personally see five options for the development of the situation. 1 Nothing will happen. That is, either the Ukrainians will not get excited, or they will be sent. 2 Tighten the trial for years using legal tricks. The one with the most grandmas will win. Or file some counterclaim, etc., etc. 3 Do not use the Crimean ports until in Ukraine the power (to a more sane) is changed, or change it by ourselves. They knew what they were doing and for 20 years they did without Crimea. 4 Somehow agree. 5 Ukraine will cease to exist as a subject of international law and the case will be written off to the archive. But in any case, I doubt that ours will pay (fines).

Well, forget about the first option, and the second - if you understand a little in jurisprudence, then until the end of the trial no organization will be able to change the status of disputed airports - say for years ?? So for years
other options

[bmv04636]

it can be used as international and as internal who will ban Russian ports obey Russian laws You want to say the port of Dudinka Abakan Igarka obeys global jurisprudence do not tell my slippers and who prevents the ports in Crimea from being made military

[shuhartred]

Quote: atalef

and the second - if you understand a little in jurisprudence,

I don't understand a damn thing about her. Okay, delete the second option. But

Quote: atalef

other options

what did you dislike and caused such a stupor?

[leglun]

I am amazed at the debi.ism of Ukrainian politicians !!!

[Russ69]

Quote: leglun

I am amazed at the debi.ism of Ukrainian politicians !!!

They just prank us as they can. And in this case, in the legal field ...

[Rostov]

Quote: Russ69

They just prank us as they can. And in this case in the legal field.

You may ask - who is it for you and in what legal field? Just one example?

[semcity23]

Quote: sever.56

Do they need anything from underwear?

Diapers

[Mountain shooter]

The Keyword is Freebies! They still show the bill for the destroyed Slavyansk. And retired for the killed punitive.

[bergberg]

No, we will show them to them for the destroyed cities!

[vorobey]

Oh ... better keep quiet ... restitution .... If Russia seeks for all the devastation in the Crimea it seems a little .... by the way 5 Lard please pay first ....

[Vtel]

The European Court of Human Rights is considering two lawsuits against Russia.

I didn’t understand, before us, the enth Jewish court, they should judge their Ashkenazi for what they did in Odessa, and the sky over the Crimea has always been Russian like him.

[volot-voin]

Let the loot be returned for gas and be responsible for shelling the Russian territory.

[leglun]

amazed at the moronity of Ukrainian politicians

[venzim]

Where is it a field of miracles, in the country of fools

[StepanovTDSM]

This is already serious. The government needs to move if the porridge is brewed.

[bergberg]

since when did Russia begin to pay attention to dog barking!

[kowalski]

And, let's "bash - nash"! We give you fines for flights, you fines (and debts) for gas! In my opinion it is mutually beneficial ...!

[bergberg]

Such a stupid saying the world has not heard! Dill or a non-existent state has no voting right at all, since it will never be able to pay off its debts to Great Russia! For the fact that she used the Russian lands for 23 years and did not pay the rent, which V.I. Lenin, as well as the use of subsoil resources! Voice of the former state the tenant of the Russian land does not have.

[Balamyt]

[quote = herruvim] Yes, there are fewer and fewer healthy people in the Ukrainian government .... / quote]
so they were never there! By any means, interest is "warmed up" .... if only it would take longer from the pages of newspapers geyropa and the United States! And then, not even an hour they will forget about such a great, world power! Temporarily in the deepest ass ...

[gunter_laux]

What kind of macaque did it blow your head?

[bergberg]

What a sloth from the Ice Age!

[Prometey]

In the West, now in the trend to wipe snot dill. Therefore, their statements will be taken into account. And Russia ... well, the West is our partner, so the requirements of our beloved western courtesan will be fulfilled. The Russian people are rich, will support their penny. By the way, what ended the meeting in the Government on increasing VAT and personal income tax? And then, apparently we have very modest tax rates.

[kartalovkolya]

If they ask very much, then give them .... suck, they don’t get used, as they have one common surname - POSYURA!

[nicollider]

there was such a parable about the teacher, students and corn. I don’t remember the details anymore, but here’s what struck my memory:

There was a man, he was cunning but stupid. And he had corn and students. The corn was good, and the students were so-so. And the man decided to bring the students to the level of corn. and since he was cunning, he decided to cheat, and since he was stupid, he cheated stupidly: he mixed the students with fertilizer tea. it did not cause anything but diarrhea ...

well and further in the text.

[Normal]

One side; "What kind of coveg did she want to buy? Where can I get the money? ..."
But on the other hand ... But after all, become with them. International organizations are on the side of Ukraine, and the Russian leadership has chosen the position of patience and for any impudence on the part of ukrov, only chewing snot more actively.
I won’t be surprised if this kooky will get away with Kiev. Patient no one respects and strives to kick everyone.

[varela]

Alas, with the current support of the junta by pedropoy and pen * wasps, they can achieve something ...

[KIRON]

Regarding what ICAO said there, maybe Alex will say that, although I don’t know.

[Andor-2]

What if it seriously turns out for us?

[lukke]

The legal consequences are very simple - Russian companies do not have the right to fly over the territory of the ICAO member country, ”said the Ukrainian Minister.

And the question from the studio: how and with what are the borders of urains with Russia fixed ?!

[sabakina]

By the way, a good question !!!

[Vitalka]

The Navy and the Army! I do not remember which of the Russian tsars said the following: "Russia has only two loyal allies - the Army and the Navy!" By the way, the Russian Federation now has the Air Force, Air Defense and Space Forces!

[Yugra]

Dumb Ukrainians. No more words

[edeligor]

I may be misunderstanding something in all these diplomatic protocols ... But, from the perspective of an amateur, why don't we announce full-scale sanctions to the Ukrainian regime? Declare these schizos an unfriendly state, break off diplomatic relations, etc.? How much can I get rid of their spitting? We have pride, or how?

[Alekseir162]

Regards Date Signature
Answer us, otherwise
If you do not respond
We will write to Sportloto ...

[Per se.]

"Ukraine" was there before the anti-constitutional coup, if you look at it, the junta that came to power has no right to speak on behalf of the state in which they overthrew the legitimate power, trampled on the law itself, all agreements and obligations. Only our flirtation with this government on the subject of the gas pipe, the hope of paying off debts for the gas itself, allowed the putschists to feel their "legitimacy." If Russia does not help Novorossia to survive, grow stronger, and overthrow the bandits, liberating Kiev, this Bandera bastard, having mobilized the country, will come to the Crimea, with the incitement and support of the United States and NATO.

[aristarh]

let the EU next time not tranche send money, but first with chlorpromazine. there is no need to give money to the bondlerlogs, and this is useless business.

[Pazifist87]

ICAO is a serious office, although it depends on the UN, which is also "serious" like an office. But the exclusion of Russia from the ICAO is like an exclusion from the UN. Crazy dream of dill. Although the censor is spit terribly about this.

[Dmitry Toderes]

Ukraine is burning. It’s funny. They still can not forgive the Crimea that he (Crimea) returned to Russia. The Russian State Search Engine Sputnik.ru (not to be confused with the Mail.ru satellite) does not care about the former Ukraine - for all (including foreigners) Crimea is displayed as the Russian region.

[venzim]

For that Yandex troit, like - "there are different realities for different countries"

[bmv04636]

but it seems
Despite objections and threats of sanctions from America and European countries, the journal of the US National Geographic Society is going to "include" the Republic of Crimea in Russia. According to USnews.com, Crimea will be displayed as part of the Russian Federation on National Geographic maps. The editorial staff and the leaders of the publication discussed the display of the new political status of Crimea at a meeting on Tuesday morning. As a result, a policy document was prepared. According to the decision, Crimea will be temporarily displayed as the territory of Ukraine on the maps of the magazine. However, this will use a shading technique that emphasizes a special status. This has also been done previously in the case of the Gaza Strip. National Geographic chief geographer Juan Jose Valdez emphasized that the publication makes maps de facto. “In other words, we are transforming the world as it is, and not as people would like,” he said. “As you might guess, sometimes our cards are not accepted in a positive light by some people who want to see the world in a different light,” he added.
It is worth noting that a new border on National Geographic Maps will appear after the necessary legal procedures are completed and the Russian parliament ratifies the agreement on the annexation of Crimea. According to Valdes, when the vote takes place, the program document will be amended to emphasize the official entry of Crimea into Russia.

[Mama_Cholli]

Claudia is different ... It is necessary to rub the fat of claudia on claudia in order to achieve the most selective query in the search engine.

[Dmitry Toderes]

Quote: venzim

For that Yandex troit, like - "there are different realities for different countries"

Yandex is all physically (including servers) in Russia, but one should not forget that Yandex is the daughter of a Dutch company. I noticed that in the diagram Yandex displays Crimea as part of Russia, but in the hybrid (satellite maps with circuit elements) Crimea is still part of Ukraine. Even Google is more honest. How so?

[Dmitry Toderes]

Here is the diagram - Crimea is part of Russia.

[Sergei75]

So let Germany also set fines when she was flying a Nazi identity.

[Barakuda]

I propose introducing a tax on air from SIBERIA. Let them eat cut down Carpathians, or with Brazil.

[Black]

I don’t understand the position of the Furom citizens - "but we do not care."
"This is far from nonsense, Buddy Bitner !!" _ said Papa-Mueller.
If Russia continues its sluggish and non-offensive position of waiting, then we will get both from the "airmen" and from the "water" ones. It is necessary to start interfering with amers, for example in Afghanistan, to get out of the missile defense system, from the "short range", from the "conventional armament" .... problem and problem !!! That's when ukram say, "stop" !!!!

[Dmitry Toderes]

Igla MANPADS in Afghanistan by the Taliban. How do you like it? Answer symmetrically USA. Well, I don't like the Taliban - guerrillas, terrorists, insurgents, in fact, but if you equip them with a "Needle". That will be a headache. By the way - like the "Needle" rocket is not distracted by thermal trickery - a missile was fired at you - you won't go away - even if you fly on an F-22 or an F-35, it's still kapets.

[29261]

BRIGHT THOUGHT! They creatures supplied the spirits with "Stingers", NOW IT'S TIME IT WOULD GET RETURNED !!!

[Walk]

I think that dill did not come up with this themselves. Most likely they prompted an idea in the phishington, and, therefore, the court may take their side against the common sense. Then really have to take retaliatory measures. The whole question: what measures exist to answer.

[Vik.Tor]

Insanity, as well as Maidan has no boundaries. No really really decided to demand?

[Dragon-y]

They will come running around - DEMAND from them money for the maintenance of those who "fled" from Ukraine from the war ...

[bergberg]

ICAO - a serious office, just demanded that Russia as a real representative of the Crimea and the airspace around provide full control of the airspace!

[volodyk50]

It is necessary to finish the question at the UN regarding the recognition of the results of the referendum and Crimea as the territory of Russia. It is necessary to solve issues not only current, but also to look into the future, it was predictable. Right now, they should start for air, should for water in which our World Cup fleet stands, etc. What is the State Duma doing? and whether she is doing anything at all, the GDP should instruct this army of loafers to work out the issue and close the topic. And it’s not clear how their language turns to say such things with a debt of dollars in gas calculated in okhuilliard.

[Cossack Ermak]

То есть они могут запретить российским компаниям летать над территориями других стран? Чему бравадничать. Наши перевозчики помрут.

[HAM]

А пусть "Белый Лебедь" отвезёт "долги" прямо в Киев...

[Lyton]

Выставляют себя на посмешище всему миру, а им не привыкать.

[maksim]

вот с... не знают с какой стороны выклянчить деньги,над нашим воздушным пространством вся Европа летает и что будем делать а..?Похоже у этих дармоедов пора пророссийскую власть ставить,не говоря уже о вводе российских войск

[Old Cynic]

По данным на 8 июля, Европейский суд по правам человека рассматривает два иска в отношении России. В первом РФ обвиняется в нарушении территориальной целостности Украины путем отсоединения Крыма, а во втором – в поддержке ополченцев на Донбассе.

Коллеги, а вот просветите меня, какое отношение имеет ЕСПЧ к данному вопросу?

[salamandra2826]

А ЗА ПОЛЕТЫ ПЗРК НАД ДОНБАСОМ ТОЖЕ ПЛАТИТЬ ?

[Russian Uzbek]

очередное фэнтези от Трипольцев из серии:"Во всем виноваты самизнаетекто" и "Весь мир должен Великой Триполии"...мерзко...это такой политический онанизм!

[Dbnfkmtdbx]

Блин хохлы чё новый сорт канопли вывели что ли их чё прёт та так?

[Horn]

В который раз убедился, что "не братья нам" тупо забывают про то, что у палки ДВА конца. Запрет авиакомпаниям России летать над территорией ИКАО имеет и обратную силу - запрет авиакомпаниям ИКАО летать над территорией России... Свидомые, однако...

[perm23]

Что самое во всем этом печальное . вполне могут добиться. Там ведь под контролем ов .А мы не сможем им в этом противостоять.Тут все бабки и бабки.

[gmasterbit]

я не понимаю одного-почему у нас в магазинах все ещё продаются украинские товары?где наш бетмен анищенко?и если серьезно-мы вполне обойдемся без украинских товаров,пусть пытаются продать их в еэс

[Stavros]

Украина- хочет,может,сможет,будет,решит,вернет,прове
дет.
Обещалкиы стали мечтателями.

[Volozhanin]

Наши юристы в Минтрансе смотрю совсем мышей не ловят.За что им очень неплохие зарплаты платят?

[fridge]

В противном случае будем сбивать.

[Aleksys2]

Уставной целью ИКАО является обеспечение безопасного, упорядоченного развития международной гражданской авиации во всем мире и другие аспекты организации и координации международного сотрудничества по всем вопросам гражданской авиации, в том числе международных перевозок. В соответствии с правилами ИКАО международное воздушное пространство разделено на районы полетной информации — воздушное пространство, границы которого устанавливаются с учётом возможностей средств навигации и контроля за воздушным движением. Одной из функций ИКАО является присвоение аэропортам мира четырёхбуквенных индивидуальных кодов — идентификаторов, используемых для передачи аэронавигационной и метеорологической информации по аэропортам, планов полётов (flight-plans), обозначения гражданских аэродромов на радионавигационных картах и т. д.
Про запрет летать над территорией страны-участницы ICAO ни чего не нашел, для справки СССР вступил в ИКАО в 1970 году...

Международная организация гражданской авиации ICAO опровергла заявления Минтранса России о том, что управление движением самолетов в небе над полуостровом передано Москве. В организации подчеркнули, что небо Крыма стал российским только после того, как ООН официально признает Крым территорией России.
Евроконтроль не рекомендует европейским авиакомпаниям летать в аэропорты Крыма и транзитом над регионом, в связи с тем, что небо над Крымом считается украинским, однако Украина фактически не способна осуществлять этот контроль.
Читать полностью на: http://www.dk.ru/news/rossiya-ne-vernula-kontrol-nad-nebom-kryma-v-icao-oproverg
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[stayer]

для справки СССР вступил в ИКАО в 1970 году...А что до этого советские самолеты не летали за рубеж? Наверно так и будут летать, как до 70г летали.

[sabakina]

для справки СССР вступил в ИКАО в 1970 году...А что до этого советские самолеты не летали за рубеж? Наверно так и будут летать, как до 70г летали.

Кстати, тоже интересно было бы узнать, как мы до 1970 года летали...

[Ivanich09051945]

Минюст Украины говорит языком ушербной Псаки.

[bmv04636]

мда пусть укропы попрыгают на майдане и встают в очередь за шпротами чухонами и лабусами

[Everest2014]

НАТО пообещало сделать подгон ВСУ военной техники из стран ЕС. Оговорочка - эта техника будет советская с консервации. США обещала этим странам по льготным ценам продать современную взамен отданной. Бизнес закрутился. Война питает экономику одного смуглого парня.

[Turk]

Quote: gunter_laux

What kind of macaque did it blow your head?

[djtyysq]

Quote: turk

Quote: gunter_laux

What kind of macaque did it blow your head?

Её здесь нет, она в Верховную Раду ушла!

[Mama_Cholli]

Очередная хохлятская бредятина...
писи: Не хочу кдаже коментировать подобные бредни

[tokin1959]

ну сколько можно издеваться?
"валить" надо этого франкештейна Украина.

[kelevra]

Хаааа-Хаааа-Хаааа,живите в реальном мире укропы,тогда может и жизнь у вас наладится!И какой будет исключать Россию из организации по полётам,с Россией пол мира сотрудничает и никто не захочет её исключать,потому что это убытки во всех бизнес сферах.С Украины взять кроме сала нечего,покажут им средний палец и скажут,чтоб не рыпались!

[boris-1230]

И сало на окраину завозят из за бугра!

[roman svarnoi]

Вот шакалы , это все америкосы- украинцы до этого не додумались бы

[pensioner]

По словам главы Минюста Украины Павла Петренко, было зафиксировано более 3.3 тысячи случаев нарушения воздушного пространства над Крымом.

И всё мимо кассы!! Негодяи - !

[Voices svobody]

Никому не секрет, что янки и англичане хотят ввязать нас в войну, мне кажется пришло время принять их предложение и вступить в бой, и порвать укропидоров, и далеко ехать не надо. Помочь надо Новороссии, и насрать на все санкции, европе без нас никуда, не дровами же они будут топиться и леса у них нет, янки пусть на батуте летают в космос

[victorrat]

Можно возмущаться, смеяться, ёрничать, но опять наши проспали. Надо работать, е не в воздух чепчики бросать. Прекрасно знали, что члены ИКАО, можно было давно подать заявку об изменении зоны.
Теперь придётся платить за неразворотливость наших чиновников. А вот украинские в данном случае быстрее сориентировались, однако!

[sogdianec]

Надо заплатить штраф и не ерепениться , Луганску и Донецку.

[bmv04636]

я как понимаю ICAO международная организация и занимается международными воздушными перевозками, а во внутренние и нос свой не сует. Да аэропорты потеряют статус международных на время так как думаю укропию на долго не хватит.
И давайте вспомним как каклы безопасно наш пассажирский борт над черным морем сбили

[Prutkov]

Quote: atalef

Quote: nicollider

in the event of withdrawal from ICAO, the airspace will be closed to the countries participating in this organization. and this, excuse me, grandmother.

Should the Russian Federation withdraw from ICAO? Yes, can you imagine what it is? This will never happen. It is easy to take and bury all flights abroad. Who will do this?

Quote: nicollider

so there are 2 options here: to satisfy the Vremezhikov from the Ruins and get on the headstock - or let everything go on the brakes, or even recognize the right to airspace for the Russian Federation.

They will never recognize this, and the Russian Federation will have to seek a compromise. All the same, there is an opportunity for foreign companies to fly without entering the airspace of the Russian Federation, but not a single aircraft will fly from Russia abroad.

Компромисс , вобще-то, уже есть. ИКАО подтвердила, что территория Крыма принадлежит Украине. Но, т.к. последняя не в состоянии контролировать воздушное пространство над Крымом, контроль над воздушным пространством полуострова должна временно осуществлять Россия. Ни кому не выгодно исключение России из этой организации, и, в первую очередь Украине, т.к. она есть "прокладка" между Россией и Европой. И многие международные маршруты проходят над их территорией. А чтобы "простимулировать" нужное решение, правительство Новороссии должно официально уведомить то же ИКАО о полном закрытии воздушного пространства над территорией Донецкой и Луганской областей, в связи агрессией Украины на республику и зверскими бомбардировками украинской авиацией мирных населённых пунктов. Для контроля воздушного пространства у республики появились РК БУК. Не думаю, что кто-нибудь рискнет проверять на своей шкуре - на сколько исправны означенные комплексы. Сейчас Украина не полностью закрыла воздушное движение в этом регионе (всё же деньги "капают" из воздуха), оставив открытыми верхние эшелоны. Именно, эти эшелоны следует закрыть. И самолёты вынуждены будут летать либо южнее, либо севернее.

[Termit1309]

so there are 2 options here: to satisfy the Vremezhikov from the Ruins and get on the headstock - or let everything go on the brakes, or even recognize the right to airspace for the Russian Federation.
They will never recognize this, and the Russian Federation will have to seek a compromise. All the same, there is an opportunity for foreign companies to fly without entering the airspace of the Russian Federation, but not a single aircraft will fly from Russia abroad.

Кроме Крыма в России больше аэропортов нет? Какой ужас я не знал( Чтобы возить курортников из регионов России в Крым какие разрешения из европы и украины нужны, не подскажете?

[Baltika19691109]

Не в тот орган они лезут.

[northern]

А говна на лопате?

[Nyrobsky]

Надо им шар выкатить, за полёты снарядов через границу на нашу территорию. За каждый перелёт снаряда слупить по миллиарду, а в случае не погашения долга, вернуть обратно...

[arnulla]

Сначала до мосла отсо...те,потом что-то требуйте)))

[understudy]

Фантастика - фантастикой, но похоже, что пробили к нам коридор из параллельных миров, в которых все начальники укров имеют некое подобие политического веса. Вякнул что-то у нас и назад в свою "державу", дабы тут не расшифровали и не прихлопнули. А мы-то удивляемся, откуда сее к нам периодически вываливается? А все от туда! Из иной реальности.

[v-sorok]

Маразм крепчал! Каждый день на арене цирка клоуны с мировыми именами! Что же завтра представят на суд зрителей?

[Gypsy girl]

Ну-ну))) В долгах, как в шелках)))

[DMB-88]

а Я всё думаю ,почему в России всё дорожает, а причина вот она: всё из-за Украины!)))

[shark]

Читаю и думаю-как же мало здесь реалистов. Действительно,эти свидомые выходки нам обойдутся очень дорого.Что с самолетами,что с портами.Забить на все санкции у нашего руководства кишок не хватит.Мы все это уже увидели.Общественное мнение...,а что мнение.Его можно за пару недель полярно поменять.Современные масс медиа это делали не раз.Значит будут договариваться.К чему эти "договоры" приведут?Еще никому не известно.Кабы не предложили Крым обратно.И тогда будет действительно стыдно и больно.Пишу так,потому что уверен,на новый железный занавес ,наше импотенское правительство не пойдет.Реальные хозяева России ,олигархи,не разрешат.
Но зато можем здесь шапками покидаться

[Sochi]

По закону о реституции (украина его подписала) по сосстоянию на 1914г территория украины является территорией России...

[Mature Hrych]

Белены обожрались.....

[MAGGNUM]

Взыскать с них штраф за мины на нашей территории и попутно пару ракет туда и послать на х... по Крыму. Вон Израиль с Палестиной не церемонится. Задолбали т/в/а/р/и

[Nitarius]

ну что ж надо тогда и НАШИМ ЗА ГАЗ подать в инстанции! и ООН мучать КАСАЕМО КРЫМ И ВПРАВДУ!

[antikilller55]

Кусайте локти, рвите волосы, брызгайте слюной НО УКРОПЫ КРЫМ НАШ!

[KIRON]

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/447/fuwh244.jpg

[Bosk]

Интересно а в украинском правительстве хоть один профессионал остался?

[Kulneff2009]

Украина и порты Крыма(вот смех-то) закрыла для судоходства.Чему удивляться?

[smershxnumx]

По поводу Южной Осетии кто-то тоже громко грозил отлучениями от всего и вся. Но дальше "пердежа" как-то у них не задалось...

[pvv113]

Минюст Украины заявил, что Россия должна выплатить Киеву крупные штрафы за полеты над Крымом

А почему бы не предъявить укропам иск за взрывы на нашей земле, за воровство газа, за пользование русским языком без лицензии? Да мало ли за что еще...

[waisson]

в ВВС Украины поступили новейшие вертолеты

[boris-1230]

Пердокарлсон!!!