Alexander Boroday: Everyone fancies himself a strategist seeing the battle from

The Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Alexander Boroday, commented on the accusations of surrendering Slavyansk to Ukrainian security officials, expressed by Sergei Kurginyan, leader of the Essence of Time movement, against commander of self-defense forces Igor Strelkov, Gazeta.Ru.

“I have my own opinion about this, it’s very simple: Kurginyan doesn’t just non-constructively criticize, firstly, this is bullshit, and secondly, this is a rare insolence, what he bears. If Kurginyan loves quotes from all sorts of poets, I will remind him of Shota Rustaveli: "Everyone thinks he is a strategist, seeing the battle from the side," said Borodai.

According to him, after returning to the DPR from Moscow, he may send Kurginyan "where he was supposed to go." Since the political scientist “apparently works in concert with the Ukrainian propaganda machine,” then “you can send it to Ukraine,” added Boroday.

Kurginyan accused Igor Strelkov during a press conference in Donetsk. After it, a conflict began between him and the “people's governor” of Donetsk, Pavel Gubarev, since Gubarev considered the statements of the political scientist to be offensive and provocative.

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[Canep]

They would give Kurginyan an assault rifle at the checkpoint too - let him fight, and then with such arrogant criticism he will be promoted if he survives.

[svp67]

Quote: Canep

They would give Kurginyan a machine gun.

No one needs to HAVE anything to do, this is of little use, but they should be taken to the zone of fire and that he would try to give his interview there ...

[subbtin.725]

They would give him fifteen days of arrest for a start.

[ispaniard]

So in one minute, thanks to uncontrolled verbal diarrhea, you can lose all those who sympathize with you as an analyst and patriot. Hammer Kurginyan that opened so early and we all saw your contents ... But Gubarev and the militia fellows just threw him in the face - You are an ordinary provocateur, spat and left the room. P.S. Now imagine Kurginyan came to Minsk to visit Butsk, the press gathered, journalists, and right in front of the cameras, Kurginyan begins to dress up with ... Butsk! That would be to see what on the spot Gubarev would have done with this stripper Lukashenko ...

[AQUARIUS 65]

It looks like Kurginyan, having gone to Donetsk to promote himself, forgot the proverb: "War is good to hear, but hard to see."

[Muadipus]

Fifteen days of digging trenches under shelling.

[RU-Officer]

Why 15? Until complete re-education and insight!

"There is no war - I will accept everything: exile, hard labor, prison ...
But - preferably in July, and preferably in the Crimea! .. "
(L. Filatov, "The Tale of Fedot the Archer")

By the way, in the yard is July. Kurginyan is not going to the case of the Crimea? To teach Crimeans to the mind ...

[zasxdcfvv]

shovel and go! For transmission The essence of time knock down a couple of kilometers of trenches

[PSih2097]

Quote: subbtin.725

They would give him fifteen days of arrest for a start.

15 days in a penal sapper company.

[I am proud of Russia]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Canep

They would give Kurginyan a machine gun.

No one needs to HAVE anything to do, this is of little use, but they should be taken to the zone of fire and that he would try to give his interview there ...

Or once in the face as Tsarev call-divorced n ...... you know!

[Giant thought]

And what to talk with him, turn him over to the prosecutor’s office for anti-Russian propaganda.

[portoc65]

What is not a pleasant type of this-Kurginyan. I hope that with the arrival of I. Strelkov, there will be more order.

[Kuvabatake]

It will survive, but the intestines will be cleaned.

[Момент]

Let digs trenches. In a strange monastery with its charter, cool. I got it in full, let him continue to heal.

[volot-voin]

Quote: Canep

They would have charged Kurginyan with an assault rifle and at the checkpoint - let him fight, and then with such arrogant criticism he would PR if he survived

Why was this Russophobe sent at all? Kick him. He needs to be given skis and a one-way trip - to his historical homeland, to Armenia.

[meriem1]

Piz .... Th, do not carry bags ///// Kurginyan can scratch his tongue only.

[Khokhol-MSC]

And to be among the organizers of the Sparrow Hills, preventing the Maidan in the MSC. But, a person’s memory is short. And the desire to PR in the mainstream is great. Go on. It suits you.

[artemon0502]

surprising arrogance

[kodxnumx]

Yes, do not let such clever people in the DPR there, so it’s still difficult for all sorts of strange people to come, he’ll get a scream all over the world, so let him sit at home and quietly gurgle and do not bother people!

[ivanfly]

STRATEGIC SELF-AWARENESS OF KURGINYAN.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Canep

They would give Kurginyan an assault rifle at the checkpoint too - let him fight, and then with such arrogant criticism he will be promoted if he survives.

In penal battalion - dig trenches.

[Letun]

Quote: Canep

They would give Kurginyan an assault rifle at the checkpoint too - let him fight, and then with such arrogant criticism he will be promoted if he survives.

Well, Kurginyan needs a machine only as decoration on a sofa. The funniest thing was to see him literally sitting asshole on the couch, calling someone there couch strategists

[Khokhol-MSC]

Wiki about Kurginyan.

In 1988, he joined the CPSU to try to stop the collapse of the USSR [14]. After applying to the CPSU Central Committee with a proposal to provide expert assistance in resolving the impending Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict through the mediation of Vyacheslav Mikhailov (at that time an employee of the CPSU Central Committee apparatus, head of the CPSU Central Committee for Interethnic Relations), he was sent with a group of analysts to Baku. The result of the trip was the Baku report of December 15, 1988 [15], the high accuracy of forecasts of which was confirmed by further events. The report went directly to the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, after which S. Kurginyan was involved in the CPSU Central Committee as a consultant and repeatedly went to "hot spots" (Karabakh, Vilnius, Dushanbe) on behalf of the CPSU Central Committee (then - the leadership of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR) to conduct an independent examination

And now, fly on, darling ... fly and think about who should teach whom there. And what the devil such a figure from the Russian Federation came. And now he can say: if you wouldn’t go ... and leave ... and Strelok will REALLY stop deliveries, and not how his representatives play on camera.

Do you realize that before the experience of solving such questions, in front of such a "figure", they should run to take notes? There is access to all levels of communication and invaluable experience.

[Tanysh]

With great surprise, I learned that Kurginyan was a candidate of physical and mathematical sciences. For a physicist, too narrow-minded thinking. (True, Berezovsky was also a physicist, but he solved the problems of theft, he did it) What problems does Kurginyan solve? On a sofa with machine guns broadcasting strategy is beyond arrogance.
You can die - all die. And who will beat the Nazis?
Or, as always, the liberalistic effect is to bite someone who will not ask you for words, then maybe others will pat them on the "head".

[Khokhol-MSC]

Tanysh, well, the right word.
How well do you know what Kurginyan is?

Stop the swamp 2012. If he hadn’t brought a rally of 140 to the Vorobyovy Gory, there would have been no Russian Federation. This is one of the most powerful Russian strategic analysts working up their sleeves in the field. He is not staff. He knows how to solve such issues.

Agree, then apply phrases like "liberal effect" to him, if he has gathered an anti-orange rally ... well, bliiin ... well, when will you think with your head, and not eat into it? Or is it another liberal provocation? :(

[Lesovick]

So I am also touched by all these "stop grinding the garbage." In December 2011, they shouted with one voice that it was enough to say dramatization, these were just peaceful demonstrators, they were against dishonest elections. Kurginyan alone led about 2 people to a rally against the "belolentochniki". Then, with difficulty, we managed to assemble Poklonnaya. Well, then everyone "saw the light" and began to fight with the "belolentochniki".

[dmitrich]

and the Cossack is mishandled.

[creep: b]

Yes, what a Cossack. Did you hear what he said? it is thanks to him that tanks and heavy weapons appeared in Novorossiya!

[Khokhol-MSC]

The most interesting thing is that at this moment the militia looked frowningly at the floor, but declined to comment. As well as 12000 machines. Curious fact konfa, is not it.

And if we assume that Kurginyan is aware of a change in the quality and quantity of deliveries, while some rat in the DPR sabotages everything? And if we also assume that deliveries improved in quality under certain agreements that were not fulfilled. Do you own all the information for a confident dispute? Me not. And you?

[Alexan]

Quote: creep out: b

thanks to him, tanks and heavy weapons appeared in new Russia

Here in this he is not lying. He is the link between money, weapons, politics. There are others. The fact that he is a boor, arrogant about himself, a Kremlin whip is obvious. But behind the scenes, he is active a lot. Pay attention - not really trying to shut him up. Maybe fighters with high self-control, or maybe he has a "grain of truth"? He's just not aware of all the intrigues in the DPR, if he doesn't even know Gubarev by sight. So he is not interested in it and does his own thing.

[Irokez]

Quote: Dmitry

and the Cossack is mishandled

Life will show.

[225chay]

Quote: Canep

They would have handed a machine gun at a checkpoint - let them fight, and then with such arrogant criticism, PR will be promoted if they survive.

You can’t trust him with a shovel either!
Hysterical vile person saliva

[Khokhol-MSC]

Are you also from the representatives of the 2012 swamp who fled from Kurginyan like a plague?
Or from those who envied Putin's visit to the columned hall.

And as for the power of attorney for shovels, etc., maybe you can open his biography, read it.

It is funny to watch later how the shopkeeper Boanasye-Gubarev tries to accuse Sergey Ervandovich of ignorance of military conflicts in hot spots.

Those. there was such a shop PR director sitting there and suddenly ... I thought about myself that the representatives of the highest party circles who had come to help in the negotiations and sort out the "jambs" began to teach ...

[Lesovick]

But in essence, that is what to say? The fact that Strelkova, at least, is used by our "belolentochniki" is shown quite clearly. They do not even hide their plans. Now what?
Excuse me, even if Strelkov is clean, but if it is used to destroy Russia, then ...
Novorossiya is certainly good, etc., but if there is no whole Russia there will be not only Novorossiya, but everything else. Ossetians who were with Kurginyan at the press conference understand this very well.

[MSA]

Muddy type of course

[subbtin.725]

Quote: MSA

MSA Today, 10:28 AM
Muddy type of course

The usual pro-provocateur paid. Rumor has it that a valet is working in Akhmetov’s interests.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Yeah ... very muddy.

As the swamp in Moscow was prevented by organizing the Sparrow Hills, so Nitsche. And what would the screaming cheers-patriots yell here, having received the Maidan-MSC?

This is not enough. And about Igor Ivanovich. And why is his so active "Echo of Moscow" (Latynina), Nemtsov and other enemies of the Russian Federation are promoting, they say, "everything, and the Russian Federation, but only Igor Ivanovich, our new Navalny will save us from Putin."

And this grocer Boanasye-Gubarev, who really only needs to wash toilets in politics. He doesn’t know how to communicate with the camera, but he didn’t even introduce himself after being arrogant ... well, praise him. Really man. With ambition.

True, he did not answer how they passed ... or 12K automatic machines, but they only brought rust to the studio, and why the Russian fascists are being promoted. Here they simply ran away shamefully, screaming "provocation-provocation" ...

[draft]

"And what about Igor Ivanovich. And why is his so active" Echo of Moscow "(Latynina), Nemtsov and other enemies of the Russian Federation are promoting, they say," everyone, and the Russian Federation, but only Igor Ivanovich, our new Navalny will save us from Putin. " "

I see at least 2 reasons:
1. Strelkov's statements that Russia is not helping. Well, how can you not cling to "Nemtsov and other enemies of the RF"? "Putin leaked everything, scoundrel !!!" - now they can shout their speech appealing to the words of Strelkov. Only one thing was not taken into account, Strelkov himself, like many real leaders of the militia, asked not to use his words against the Commander-in-Chief!
Itself is a sinner, declared that Putin has leaked. But after repeated appeals by militias, I realized that I was wrong.
2. “Nemtsov and other enemies of the Russian Federation” perfectly understand for whom patriotic Russians “revered” them, therefore, praising Igor Ivanovich, they want to smear the name of Strelkov with excrement, which they themselves are. But it will not stick, with God's help.
And in this situation, it is just suspicious that Russia's obvious enemies praise Strelkov, and some "patriots" are beginning to accuse him of treason. And the question arises: is it not a coincidence?

P.S. no former merits of Kurginyan give him the right to discuss publicly (to the whole world) the actions of the commander of the DPR in the combat zone and accuse him of betrayal. According to the laws of wartime, he was very gently treated. And his insistent statements about the massive supply of heavy equipment and armament of the militias by Russia to journalists are generally a betrayal of Russia! Does he really not understand this?

[Tanechka-clever]

Quote: Draft

It is suspicious that Russia's obvious enemies praise Strelkov, and some "patriots" are beginning to accuse him of treason. And the question arises: is it not a coincidence?

Well written - I support everything that you wrote.
I'll tell you a fairy tale. Father died and left two brothers with "good" and not small - ordered to take care of each other. The elder was strict and hardworking, and commanded the younger as befits the elder, who is responsible for the younger. And his neighbor lived and envied - how much "good" the brothers had, but he could not take. So he sat down with his younger brother, so let's praise him, and scold the elder brother - "You are so smart and strong, and your brother" pushes you around "and wants to get rid of you." The younger got angry and went after the club. And the neighbor to the elder - "you are so hardworking, and your brother is a lazy person and a freeloader wants to kill you, and take your" good "for himself. on this field, but the "good" went to the neighbor - and now he has no enemies and in abundance.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Good. Nice to meet the person who watched the conference.

I myself also disagree with him in many respects, but "eggs do not teach a chicken", before that Kurginyan's activity was very successful despite the epotage. This is my IMHO, I am not asking to separate it, I just outline my understanding.

I looked through this konf for a long time, several times, and tried to analyze. And the more I watched, the more I was struck by several points.

1. The behavior of Gubarev. In fact, he really provoked all the time. This is an application for the fact that no one called in the DPR, and an application about a false supply. And somehow he had a lot of window dressing.
2. As soon as Kurginyan got to the direct question about: so refute the support of fascism, they gathered and left without answering anything.

That is, there are a lot of oddities, and someone in the DPR began a very muddy game with unpredictable negative consequences for the Russian Federation.

[draft]

I will tell you my opinion. In many of Kurginyan's questions, there was already a provocation. For example, the same question that you quoted "about supporting fascism." Imagine what Kurginyan's opponents had to answer, who proved everything by their deeds. Make excuses?
Then here's another - the question of 12 thousand abandoned machine guns delivered to the DPR by Russia.
1. Again, discrediting the official position of the Russian Federation on non-delivery of weapons to the DPR.
2. The source of information raises a question. An accidental masked militia, as Kurginyan claims? I don't believe it, because such an experienced politician cannot trust such sources. What remains is the Ukrainian side, which, of course, he cannot say, but says that he has "his own sources."

The same applies to the "corridor" along which Strelkov left. Do you really think that if Strelkov had agreed on a corridor with the Ukrainians, all the militias would know about it, as Kurginyan says. I would have known a very narrow circle. Indeed, in what, in what, and in stupidity of Igor Ivanovich you cannot suspect. Again, most likely a source from the Ukrainian side, which Kurginyan cannot voice, since this automatically puts him in the rank of traitor. And this source can provide a lot of information.
And the intonation of "our" representative was very uncomfortable. Gubarev, by the way, was much more restrained than Kurginyan, who did not even know who was sitting in front of him - and this made people laugh at the press conference.
You put yourself in the place of the militias who had already come there wound up, the previous performance of Kurginyan, and whose indignation came from the heart.
Sincerely.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Thank you very much for the analytic analysis. I will answer as I understand. My task is also just parsing to understand. I would be grateful for the reasoned criticism.

1. "Then here's another - the question of 12 thousand abandoned machine guns supplied to the DPR by Russia", "The source of information raises a question."
There, if you pay attention, in the 30th minute. When the conversation about machine guns begins, an Ossetian who is present with Kurginyan speaks to the accusation, passing by the militia: “I was on reconnaissance and saw these 12 Kamaz trucks”. Those. this is not only the source of Kurginyan, but also the confirmation received from his entourage.

2. Concerning the corridor. Kurginyan asks the militia to name the cities. If you open the map of the Donetsk region, you can see that if you hand over these cities, then the entire road to Donetsk is left. Kurginyan asks: "Is this road a corridor to Donetsk?" The militia responds, "Yes." At one of the forums, I was told that Gorlovka, which lies to the side, 5 km from the road, blocks this corridor. I dont know. There is also Dzerzhinsk and Novgorodskoe closer. So I don’t know why they are so pushing against the remote Gorlovka.

3. Regarding wraparound. Let's take a closer look. Kurginyan receives the first plague in the form of a rusty machine gun and accusations of non-delivery by the Russian Federation. The second is from Gubarev, that Kurginyan is an amateur in such matters (remember the biography of Kurginyan, I think it will be difficult to find a person more competent having access to all levels of communication in all circles of both the Russian Federation and Ukraine), Next, it’s a pity that nobody here called. And at the end of the drain on fascism.

Now a hypothesis. Kurginyan leaves for the DPR at the invitation to resolve the situation. He has a specific and coordinated plan from the Russian Federation. He receives certain guarantees, etc. The main thing is an invitation, he is there like a legally invited analyst. Last month, he says, he is in charge of supplies. Those. a question at the level of work with the situation is familiar, there is no personal communication yet. Most likely there are some agreed plans at the level of spokespersons. In fact, arriving immediately begins to act, based on the awareness of the level of their participation in this mission. In fact, he is an unspoken curator from the Russian Federation whose tasks include resolving the conflict.

1. Slavyansk. Departure.
2. Misunderstandings with the supplies
3. And who are you better?
4. And where did you get that you were called?
5. Hay does not go to the cow ...
6. Yes, you are generally a provocateur ...

Strange alignment? It can be assumed that Gubarev was also not in the know who comes and why. Or she simply doesn’t realize the level of communication, as if to approach the assistant manager and start discussing plans for restructuring the costs of the company.

[draft]

Plus for a detailed analysis, and defending your point of view, contrary to the overwhelming majority! Sorry, but I will remain of my opinion (every day I give myself the vow to write comments, but I can not resist and away we go).
Your arguments are convincing, and I do not have the ability and patience to argue with you. I just feel with my heart, Shooters are right.
Sincerely.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Thank you for a competent and balanced debate. Got a real pleasure :)

[svp67]

Quote: Crest-MSC

In fact, he is an unspoken curator from the Russian Federation

In fact, he is either a person who absolutely does not understand why they sent him there, or a provocateur working out a specific order ...

[creep: b]

Gubarev muddy that's for sure. . .

[svp67]

Quote: creep out: b

Gubarev muddy that's for sure. . .

He is not muddy, he is just a "kid" with no experience of undercover struggle, his most direct place is the commissar, that's where he can turn around, I won't be surprised if I soon see him in this capacity in the DPR army

[innoker-1563]

Kurginyan, slept a fly !!!

[nimboris]

They drank a fly, they say

[nicollider]

thinks everyone else is a freak, despite the fact that wrod himself (s) is about Fedot Sagittarius
Kurginyan is trying to PR. Nothing but a feeling of disgust does not cause.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Or trying to really understand where the supplies went in the last month. That's just, someone will answer. Here is to bring rust to the studio and to promote, they say, here it is the help of the Russian Federation, we are shooting down planes with sticks. Believe propaganda further. Analyzing what is happening is more difficult than bleating in the mainstream.

[sufix]

A new 5 column is born. You won’t call it anything else.

[portoc65]

this is not new .. it is deeply conspiratorial - old

[Leprechaun]

Quote: portoc65

this is not new .. it is deeply conspiratorial - old

I agree Kurginyan is Communism 2.0, which actually does not hide.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Sparrow Hills 2012.
The attack of the Yuvenals was repulsed.
Putin, the columned hall.

Is the memory short? Well, yes ... why does the hamster need a memory. :)

[Twice RUSSIAN]

Everyone must do their job.

[MilesAth]

Who, in general, let him in the DPR? Let him sit at home and not dishonor the country. And then the truth will be thrown to the front lines ... it may turn out uncomfortable ... from fear ...

[Khokhol-MSC]

Pancake. Well, how many analysts. Well, look at the full report of the conf. He himself explains there, what for he came there. There, an interaction format was proposed.

But the small shopkeeper Gubarev either did not understand or was not interested in normalizing the situation and improving supplies.

[mig31]

To scratch his tongue, he’s a mastiff, and the warrior in it is not visible at all, not to mention the General Staff ...

[Khokhol-MSC]

Are you from your great mind say so? Here's the wiki:

In 1988, he joined the CPSU to try to stop the collapse of the USSR [14]. After applying to the CPSU Central Committee with a proposal to provide expert assistance in resolving the impending Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict through the mediation of Vyacheslav Mikhailov (at that time an employee of the CPSU Central Committee apparatus, head of the CPSU Central Committee for Interethnic Relations), he was sent with a group of analysts to Baku. The result of the trip was the Baku report of December 15, 1988 [15], the high accuracy of forecasts of which was confirmed by further events. The report went directly to the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, after which S. Kurginyan was involved in the CPSU Central Committee as a consultant and repeatedly went to "hot spots" (Karabakh, Vilnius, Dushanbe) on behalf of the CPSU Central Committee (then - the leadership of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR) to conduct an independent examination

He participated in the removal of General A. I. Lebed from the post of Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation and much more.

Yes, it is. From the couch it is better visible.

Vorobyovs, the creation of the counteraction movement Yu, Putin in the columned hall. Really. He is a balabol who just decided to ride with the DNI. And you are all wise people, and you understand ... how are you?

"He is a master to scratch with his tongue, but a warrior is not visible in him at all, not to mention the General Staff member .."

Congratulations on the depth of analysis.

[mig31]

Past "merits" do not give boltologists the right to pour kerosene into the flame of popular resistance to fascism, and his trips to hot spots of those times of earning participant badges allegedly, and until recently such badges as he was a dime a dozen, and people like me and others like me, before he had already had his first departure for two hundred combat missions, son ...

[Khokhol-MSC]

Kurginyan is a politician. Often, thanks to politicians, there are no sorties at all.

I will give an example. Crimea. How many sorties?

[mig31]

Putin is a politician, and Kurginyan was a boltologist who never depended on anything, much less decided, only a pump, bad guys and many security guards arranged trips to hot spots, using their connections, and on account of clear skies over Crimea, such as the likes of me and did not allow the Crimea to bomb with impunity ...

[Khokhol-MSC]

I apologize, maybe you are a good pilot, and maybe even a good tactical purely military expert.

But based on what was written about Kurginyan, you don’t know anything about him, as well as the projects that he implemented.

For one stop of de-Stalinization on his part, a stop of Juvenile Justice, an anti-orange rally, where he acted as organizer and coordinator everywhere, it is enough to say "thank you" to him. And at least learn a little more about this person so as not to show such a level of incompetence.

So, dear military pilot. I bow to you for your work and defense of the Fatherland and many thanks. But not all merit is on you. Excuse me.

[mig31]

Everything is so, everything is true, but the Homeland consists of you and us and everyone separately, the affairs of today are PR, and money is behind PR, yes, yes - money!, Demand for a word today is estimated by bucks, Patriotism is not it smells, in other words, it received an order, paid an advance, work it out. I can explain for a long time, I have no desire, but you yourself understand everything ...

[Novosib]

Quote: Crest-MSC

In 1988, he joined the CPSU to try to stop the collapse of the USSR [14].

In 1988 to stop the collapse of the USSR? By oneself? By joining the CPSU? Is it megalomania? And where is the result? You don't have to try, you have to do. Apparently, the real value of this analyst is expressed by you in one sentence: "The result of the trip was a report." Your enthusiastic attitude towards Kurginyan is your own business. Please do not turn the theme into an altar for idol worship.

[ALEXX.]

In the penal battalion of him.

[Fevrrr]

"Everyone thinks the other is a freak, despite the fact that he is a freak" (c) L. Filatov.
Well, and perhaps the most accurate expression, in response to Kurginyan's statements, would be - "I gave your opinion the rotation and my genital organ was the axis."

[Khokhol-MSC]

Have you watched the interview completely? Why did Kurginyan get started? When Strelkov’s representatives brought a rusty gun and refused to acknowledge any other help. Those. brazenly started lying to the camera.

And further. Explain to me, as a layman, about the guru: what demon the last month all the liberals of the Russian Federation Igor Ivanovich calls the new Navalny, and Nemtsov bluntly states that the Maidan in the MSC. And the Kremlin will take Strelkov.

[Baloo]

“If Kurginyan loves quotes from different kinds of poets, I will remind him of Shota Rustaveli:“ Everyone imagines himself to be a strategist, seeing the battle from the sidelines, ”Borodai said.
I will add to the words of Beard: ... Only he is worthy of life and freedom, who every day goes to battle for them ...

[vlad-ns]

Kurginyan - on felling in the Siberian taiga - to hold debates with mosquitoes and ticks.

[Walk]

Kurginyan, something has gone wrong. In the video, she behaves like a bazaar woman who has run out of arguments, and therefore the opponent is a boor. This "candidate of all kinds of sciences" would sit in Moscow and keep mum about what he does not understand. In general, it is very likely that Strelkov's maneuver with the withdrawal from the destroyed Slavyansk and the preservation of the combat-ready backbone of the militia and equipment, mixed the cards for someone. Apparently according to someone's plans, Strelkov and his people should have died heroically, and here is such a passage. And Donetsk now has someone to properly clean up and protect from ukrov.

[Balamyt]

Kurginyan seems to be a normal man. But from time to time, his statements and behavior resemble the manners of the old maiden at the very peak of menopause. It is a pity that such jumps occur more often, and last longer. Now this is exactly the case .....

[Nina Zima]

09.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. Overview of the combat situation from the militia.

"The transfer of the junta's troops from the occupied territories of Novorossiya to the centers of resistance continues. So 10 T-64B tanks moved towards Slavyansk in the evening) 6 tilt Urals, one armored personnel carrier. Today, from the side of Izyum, Ostoka, a column of about fifty units passed through Krasny Liman. Ukropov armored vehicles, it was the second column (the first small) .According to Slavyansk - the humanitarian woman was ostentatious, they brought in the magazines and the punishers caught up with the local residents, took a picture and that was all. Kramatroske.
22: 20 - In the area of ​​Montenegrin, Seversk, battles began, Ukropovskaya MLRS, heavy artillery are working from about the outskirts of Krivoy Luka, the echo reaches Red Estuary.
Around 22:00 in the Yampol area, automatic fire and explosions were heard.
22: 55- According to Seversk, the punishers made another MLRS salvo.
23: 05- There was an explosion in Kramatorsk, automatic shooting is heard, ours are working. "

[bmv04636]

couch generalissimo this kurginyan

[Gagarin]

HAY DOES NOT GO TO THE COW! - a new hit in the networks!

[Privat]

"Don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you where to go."
The phrase is just in case.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: ispaniard

So, in one minute, thanks to uncontrolled verbal diarrhea, you can lose all the people sympathetic to you as an analyst and patriot. Hammer Kurginyan that opened so early and we all saw your content ..

I completely agree with you ... I'm not a fan of Kurginyan, but I listened to him .. That's all!

[Gruzowik]

A similar case is with me and in the circle of my friends! Sinned - listened, - and now, as if in a flash, they had seen. I wonder how he will begin to wag now.
He can’t live without a stage and fans, and then he suddenly went bankrupt.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Refuse to listen to Kurginyan, go to the analytics of Echo of Moscow. There, for you, recently they have been playing a record, which Igor Ivanovich is the savior of the Fatherland, rightly the second Bulk. And with what impatience they are already waiting for him in MSC.

You can at the same time begin to ride following the example of ukrov, on the eve of the new Maidan. Did the past, by the way, Kurginyan suspend, or wasn’t it?

[Gruzowik]

Quote: Crest-MSC

Refuse to listen to Kurginyan, go to the analytics of Echo of Moscow. There, for you, recently they have been playing a record, which Igor Ivanovich is the savior of the Fatherland, rightly the second Bulk. And with what impatience they are already waiting for him in MSC.

You can at the same time begin to ride following the example of ukrov, on the eve of the new Maidan. Did the past, by the way, Kurginyan suspend, or wasn’t it?

I personally do not know Kurginyan, I watch on TV and in commercials. Opinion about him consists only of this. The interview under discussion is just in the style of the radio station you recommend. If you do not agree with my opinion - your right, but please refrain from hysteria and insulting advice.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Good afternoon.

I apologize for the insulting attack in this case.

Indeed, if Sergey Ervandovich’s activities are known exclusively from television programs, then the reaction is justified.

On the other hand. To assess his activities, it makes sense to get acquainted with his analytical reviews, such as "The Meaning of the Game", as well as those real, vital projects for Russia, for which, in fact, I really strongly respect him, as a truly Russian person in spirit.

This is: http://eot.su/politics, http://axio.eot.su/index.html, http://rvs.su/

That is, you must admit, this is more than a television clown. Especially for me, as for the father of the family, who is trying to raise children in traditional values.

[fevg]

Kurginyan - a rare Guide! All his pathos is a heinous lie! If you keep him close, he will shoot in the back. Political trash is the essence of time.

[Khokhol-MSC]

You look at yourself. Or are you one of those who received a snot from Kurginyan in the swamp 2012? Or from the juveniles that he deprived of his income from child trafficking?

[Leshka]

into his mine and does not suffer

[gladiator]

Better to retreat than to defend yourself without specific tasks and prospects. The destruction of a surrounded group is a matter of time. There are many examples from the Second World War. Even Leningrad was not completely surrounded.

[Lesovick]

"The destruction of the encircled group is a matter of time." Now continue your thought that Donetsk will also be surrounded in the end. And everything will be as predicted by Echo of Moscow - the militias will go to Russia with battles and those angry at Putin will go to Moscow to form the radical wing of Bolotnaya. And we get the Maidan already in Moscow.

[gladiator]

The balance of power is far from in favor of the militia. Further retreat can only be on the territory of the Russian Federation. As a result, illegal armed groups and another headache for Putin can be obtained. I don’t think that there will be many who want to take the fight in an environment where you do not have the slightest chance of walking. Especially if the enemy does not capture.

[Strezhevchanin]

What did he forget there? Now he does not belong there ....

[Khokhol-MSC]

Just there is a place. Leaving his shocking style, pay attention in the video conference how much information he brought to them for discussion. And if not for the trick of the DNR militia and Gubarev, who began to stir up something ... damn it. Everything could have been much different.

[Gruzowik]

When looking at the first "burial mound" I got the impression that the famous analyst was slightly under a degree. The question also arose - why was he overlaid with Kalash? - Show your steepness?
I am glad that even from the Kurginyan-Jugend camp there have been no attempts to take him under protection.

[Wellych]

why he was surrounded by Kalash

I, too, was a little at a loss - why this cheap vyser - you are either a bespectacled man or a hero. The Kurgan and groundhogs leaked themselves

[Zomanus]

Kurginyan took over. These talkers did not understand that the country has changed a lot since the beginning of the year. And they all draw according to old templates. Makar has merged, now Kurginyan ... Some people still believe that the expression "who does not jump," sounds very funny. Well, they will snatch it by e-lu and may be puzzled.

[Lesovick]

How has the country changed? Matvienko began to pronounce more words of patriotic subjects? Or did Abramovich organize children's camps with a patriotic bias for all his assets? Or did corrupt officials of all stripes stop taking kickbacks and return all the money asking them to build new tank and aircraft plants? The rhetoric has changed a bit. Not a little. But actually ...

[lablizn]

Kurginyan often speaks on various talk shows in the role of a "Russian patriot", while spraying saliva in all directions, he carries outright nonsense, and even just provocative slogans.
At the same time discrediting the very idea of ​​patriotism.
The trouble is that these programs are circulated by the Western media, exposing in an unsightly form the real patriots of Russia, which include this political idiocy.

[creep: b]

Well, give at least one example! I agree sometimes he very emotionally and hysterically defends his position. But he never carries nonsense! you listen poorly

[Yuri Y.]

Kurginyan accused Igor Strelkov during a press conference in Donetsk.

Who is he to blame someone. He imagined himself a strategist and influencing the situation, why on earth ?, no one even called him. Confused underfoot different, and even pissed off from Moscow.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Read at least Vicki about Kurginyan for a start. Who is he, and how couch strategist.

[Wellych]

Chet did not understand, but Che Kurginyan heroically did not die defending Slavyansk?

[225chay]

Quote: Wellych

Chet did not understand, but Che Kurginyan heroically did not die defending Slavyansk?

The Kurginyans do not die in the trenches ...

[portoc65]

WHO KNOWS THIS IS A FAKE .. DEZA? -Oleg Tsarev became banned from entering the territory of the Russian Federation, the official website of the Institute for Development Studies of East European Countries (Irdee.org) reports. The reason for this was numerous (we quote): wasting government funds. The money that went to help civilians and militants settled in the pockets of Tsarev and his associates, said the famous economist, director of the Institute for Development Studies of East European Countries, Andrei Istevich.
According to him, Tsarev managed to get rich by $ 40 million in a matter of weeks. This money was intended for the population of Donbass and partly for the militias, but by no means should they go to Tsarev’s personal needs.
The first to know the situation was Mr. Glazyev, and he reported where he should be about embezzlement of funds in especially large ones. If Tsarev were a citizen of the Russian Federation, a prison would become for him the mildest option of punishment, ”Istevich summarizes.
In the meantime, Tsarev is wanted on the territory of Ukraine, and became a persona non grata in Russia. The information was also confirmed by Expressinform S. Glazyev.

[portoc65]

It smells like another misinformation for those who crave such information, if there is no news for someone pleasant, then they need to come up with something, they'll eat it and don't even think to double-check it. Shouted the password "Glory to Ukraine" (a kind of friend or foe password) and carry any utter nonsense, will absorb this truth like a sponge. Quote from blogs

[oblako]

During the war, the one who brings discord and undermines unity and unity of command should stand against the wall and wait for a well-deserved bullet.

[oblako]

And the hole, as far as possible, should be "graceful", at the request of the client.

[volot-voin]

Quote: portoc65

WHO KNOW IS FAKE .. DEZA? -Oleg Tsarev became banned from entering the territory of the Russian Federation, the official website of the Institute for Development Studies of East European Countries (Irdee.org) reports

Ukrosayty is full of this "news". For some reason, only Ukrosmi, ours are still silent.
Wait and see. I am more inclined to trust people who have proven themselves in business, such as Strelkov, Gubarev and to, and not the proteges of the deputies from the party of thieves-regions.

[Demon]

I suggest that Igor Ivanovich take this semblance of a person, which is a Ukrainian-Ukrainian mixture, tie it with explosives, spread it with goose skiom and release it to the side of dill. Let the hard work for the good of the resistance, a lot of it!

[Khokhol-MSC]

Gamno, it's you. First read who Kurginyan is. Do you know the letters, the scribble of figs? Here open Wiki, and read about the role of Kurginyan in resolving conflicts arising in the Russian Federation.

[Arh]

I believe that it is impossible to quarrel among militias when there is a war !!!

[Zerstorer]

Divide and rule!
But the situation turns out to be interesting ... Now everyone, instead of normal "work" in their roles, is carried away by this mess. It is not right. The militias can criticize Strelkov - they have every right. Let me explain my point of view. The militias who joined the Strelkov detachment to protect their hometown and their family feel deceived. The militias are not a regular army. There is something like a social contract here. As I understand it, many civilians could not / did not have time to evacuate. Therefore, I believe that the militias from Slavyansk have every right to criticize. BUT! this only applies to the militias.
Now according to Kurginyan. How did they provoke him and not only him? Made some informational stuffing on the topic political weight of the figure of Strelkov and pulling him into the liberal camp. (TV channel rain, bloggers, etc.). There are our nationalists (Demushkin and others) and liberals-white tape-lovers in peace and harmony. Of course, our rightists and Kurginyan in particular instantly stand up for this (or receive a command - I don’t know, I’m not a politician). This is how one fly in the ointment can ruin a barrel of honey.

[Lesovick]

Kurginyan said ONE clear and simple thing. If the leadership of the DPR "flirts" with "white tape" in Russia (and everyone realized their danger after 2011-2012), then the DPR will not receive any support from, let's say, the "anti-white tape" part of the government. Not from Kurginyan he will not receive, but from the patriotic part of the Russian elite.
As an example, he pointed to Transnistria - if the leadership of Pridnestrovie at least thought in the direction of anti-Leninism - he would immediately lose Russia's support.
Actually everything. But the most interesting thing is that Gubarev, for example, did not listen to it. But I hope that at least I realized ...

[skylare]

I saw this so-called press conference. What Comrade Kurginyan was broadcasting is called a substitution of concepts: he naively tried to prove to the militias that Russia was supplying them, with all this, he did not accept objections under any guise. Obviously, this performance was designed for our overseas and maydanut "friends". Igor Ivanovich did the right thing, that he did not enter into dialogue with him, his closest circle tried to convey the truth, but the problem is that he does not need it. It is very good to analyze the actions of a person sitting in a safe place, the war seems to be different from the outside, Slavyansk, of course, is a symbol of resistance, but everyone somehow forgot about Donetsk, Luhansk, where the Nazis, no doubt, will get. I would like to wish Igor Ivanovich mental fortitude and patience, because now for some the main thing is to discredit the Minister of Defense of the DPR and break the fighting spirit of resistance.

[Zerstorer]

Apparently some help is coming. It's just not clear where these resources are deposited. They themselves admitted that there are "well-armed detachments." Who is leading them? Apparently the one who captured the main flow of "humanitarian" and humanitarian aid.

[Atanda]

Sit down, Ara, come here! Who are you? Goodbye! Teach your wife to cook dolma! Or take a machine gun and show how to fight!

[Khokhol-MSC]

How many analysts ... it pleases.

Listen, macaw, open Vicki, read who Kurginyan is. Then open the video of the conference, and see what he brought to the militia in the form of support. And then, macaw, plug in your analytic apparatus to understand that such people just don’t ride. And it’s not for you, ara, to judge anyone for good reason.

[Lesovick]

"Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer"

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

.......... Javdet-coward, Abdullah the warrior ................. Everything is like in the legendary film .... Only change the names!

[DMB-88]

Judging by the comments in the federal zomboyaschik, the drain of New Russia continues!
And Kurginyan here is not the first swallow and personality, in my opinion, with the soul of treason.

[pexotinec]

Now trying to cover up his ass like "yours and ours."

[severniy]

the nit was not taught "not to poke" ...

[Vyacheslav 64]

Quote: subbtin.725

They would give him fifteen days of arrest for a start.

No, this is not enough! In wartime conditions, this scoundrel conducts propaganda on the side of the enemy, tells the enemy what and how much Russia supplies, and makes a split in the ranks of the militia. Or in the battalion, or to the wall.

[leglun]

It’s necessary to drive such Purginyov and attract

[wulf66]

Kurginyan is hysterical. I understood it a long time ago.

[ivanfly]

Strategic SELF-AWARENESS of Kurginyan.

[RADIK]

Here you have the screams of the first staff rat. Comrade Kurginyan, come on ........ already retired.

[nelson]

Yesterday, after watching this interview, I realized that Borodai and the others present at this show are very calm and adequate people, despite the fact that many of them go to death every day. I probably could not resist; How did the “capital gentleman come” and submit Strelkova here! Can’t Lyapkin and Tyapkin be served? Like a classic, metropolitan whip! What an aplomb — how can you an ordinary soldier argue with an officer — one can hear it “in his ramrod”, and with what fright the Kurginians — the officer — after the geological institute, just deprives them of a “jacket” at best. And all the same with the highest advice. One word. And I had once listened to the opinion of this senile!

[Khokhol-MSC]

Damn ... read the Wiki about Kurginyan. They certainly will not praise. And then take a closer look at his achievements on the front of the defense of the Russian Federation.

[RADIK]

“I have my own opinion about this, it’s very simple: Kurginyan doesn’t just non-constructively criticize, firstly, this is bullshit, and secondly, this is a rare insolence, what he bears. If Kurginyan loves quotes from all sorts of poets, I will remind him of Shota Rustaveli: "Everyone thinks he is a strategist, seeing the battle from the side," said Borodai.
Modest Boroday replied to an "elegant" boor. Or you can just send him not gracefully

[Tor hummer]

Urgent news:

This is the official, confirmed tweet of Michael McFaul, the former US Ambassador to Russia and State Department official. In this tweet, Mr. McFaul reports that Kurginyan, during his idiocy in Donetsk, openly acknowledged the supply of Russian weapons to the rebels (apparently, Kurginyan himself thought that his public performance would only be watched in Russia, and the huge US intelligence community exists for beauty). There is no doubt that the video of Kurginyan's cramps screaming "YES, EVERYTHING! EVERYTHING IS SUPPLIED!" will soon be used by the United States to inflict maximum damage on the interests of Russia, and all the magnificent titles that Kurginyan likes to give to himself will serve as additional confirmation of the correctness of the information provided to him.

Russia is a very moral country, where moral issues are very important. Russian history and Russian reality ALWAYS punish stupidity and meanness. A particularly stupid meanness (which was the visit of Kurginyan to Donetsk) is punished by Russian reality almost instantly.

Do not be idiotic and do not try to humiliate the people through whom Russian Providence realizes its will - meanness will always turn around ("Sergei Kurginyan, volunteer assistant to the US State Department" - could we have imagined that six months ago? Well done, he poisoned Strelkov!).

[Lesovick]

damn why not hear enough for three days
1. Kurginyan Kremlin project
2. Kurginyan project personally Surkov
3. Kurginyan Akhmetov’s project
4. Kurginyan project Kolomoisky
5. Kurginyan project "5 columns". This especially pleased Fedorov.
And now the State Department’s project is Kurginyan.
In a good one, Kurginyan poked the cloaca, since everyone was so moving. Well, patriots are understandable. Strelkov was touched. And the State Department, Latynina, Nemtsov (he already unsubscribed two hours after the first message at 4 am - he is not sleeping, reads and rereads Kurginyan, apparently) and other "belolentochniki" why are they so fussing about? Do they need "suddenly" New Russia?
But I forgot.
Soloviev yesterday called Kurginyan a project of Prosvirnin. Well, it was generally aerobatics ...

[Stavros]

It is a great honor to devote so much time to this scum. They would have slammed too.

[alone]

When Kurginyan organized a march of red-handed men in Moscow, he was a man, handsome, hell knows who. As soon as Kurginyan started saying not what it was necessary to say, he was a traitor, a provocateur, etc. etc. Okay, let's move on to more important things than this kurginyan.

What do we know about the departure from Slavyansk? Only what is said from the lips of those who left, what Strelkov, Gubarev, Pishulin says. You and I were not there. We do not know the truth of what prompted the abandonment of the whole area. state your version.
From a military point of view, Slavyansk was surrendered even when the security forces of Ukraine firmly settled in Karachun. But despite the loss, the fighting went on for another one and a half to two months. After the armistice ended (but in fact no one there really observed this truce ), Ukrainians went on the offensive, calculated blocking the area. Moreover, the offensive was organized in all main directions to exclude the possibility of the transfer of reinforcements. The result was that the city fell into operational surroundings, and after the capture of Nikolaevka and Artemevsk, it became clear that the outcome of the battle for Slavyansk resolved issue. That's why I had to leave this entire combat area.
But there is one thing. During the interview, the shooters said that the withdrawal was carried out in order to save the city and its inhabitants so that they would not be destroyed by artillery fire. But then he said that there is now a massacre of residents. The shooters are military. I’m sure that, these words are not his words, but are the words of others, simply voiced by Strelkov. It turns out that in order to save the inhabitants of the city, it was necessary to leave the city, so that later they would simply be cut.
I am sure that these words are the product of Gubarev’s conclusions. It is impossible to understand this blunder in another way.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: lonely

When Kurginyan staged a red-handed procession in Moscow, he was a man, handsome, damn whoAs soon as Kurginyan began to say not just what, it was necessary to say, he was a traitor, a provocateur, etc., etc.

No. Only a geek could organize such a gay orgy. And only even more defective individuals could participate in such a procession.

[alone]

Quote: Tor Hummer

No. Only a geek could organize such a gay orgy. And only even more defective individuals could participate in such a procession.

Sergey, this is your opinion. You would see what was happening then)))

[Tor hummer]

Quote: lonely

Sergey, this is your opinion. You would see what was happening then)))

About this:

[alone]

Judge of the cons You guessed it)

[Tor hummer]

Quote: lonely

Judge of the cons You guessed it)

Well, still)) the truth is pricking eyes. Yes, and not hard to guess, the benefit of such an audience is very predictable.

[cosmos132]

The best solution for Kurginyan is to send the Verkhovna Rada to speak. How long will it last?

[Tanechka-clever]

It is said that the EAST is a THIN business. But politics in Ukraine today is NANATECHNOLOGY.
The inappropriate behavior of Kurginyan at this press conference and the form of disrespectful communication with Gubarev revealed many unpleasant FACTS.
Firstly, Strelkova and his militia were really going to "merge". Kurginyan, who suddenly became Bastards, also raises a bunch of questions. I will say why - he did not recognize Gubarev, which means that he generally does not know the DPR. Further, Kurginyan has always been a patriot of Russia - which means he was simply used. In the "dirty game" is the easiest to fool "decent" people. " Today, not a few people are on the hook of the “value of American democracy”, and American “grooms” like Khodorkovsky and Navalny are not bad at fooling their heads .. The main thing is to say the right words about patriotism and give a rusty machine gun that doesn’t shoot. And the "wolves" are intact, and the "sheep" are killed. On this ideology, all US policy is supported and flourishes.
Secondly, it turns out the main thing is that Strelkov was right all the time - Russia does not render military assistance and this was confirmed by Kuginyan. Russia is helping everyone - Iraq, Syria - but not where the Russians are being killed - questions ... Who are the traitors in Russia and the FSB should do this urgently.
Who is interested in Russia to supply rotten weapons - I draw attention to the fact that Strelkov never talked about this - it was a shame to admit. And who else dares Strelkova to say a “dirty” word. But Kurginyan unexpectedly confirmed this.
It is known that the United States staged the Russian genocide in Ukraine, and Psaki does not hide this. But ... who in Russia is interested in this .. When they will name the name with evidence.
And so the main question is who is interested in Russia in the extermination of Russians in Novorossia, and therefore the betrayal of Russia. If the names of the FSB are not announced in the near future, the political situation will worsen. And they will raise questions - why Vladimir Kvachkov, a patriot, is sitting, and the traitors of Russia are sending rotten weapons to Novorossia or not at all, but they are being bombed from howitzers and air. And we will not make a “scapegoat” from Kurginyan, but someone needs it today — I personally feel sorry for him — they used him and, moreover, “dirty”, and when he understands this he will be disgusted from himself.
Now the main question is WHO IN RUSSIA DRAINS NEWS. Just don’t talk about Putin-it is primitive and unconstructive. The FSB should give the surname - the war is already on the verge of Russia, and therefore the ENEMIES must be destroyed or imprisoned.
And most importantly, it is necessary to require the Russian government to recognize New Russia.

[kartalovkolya]

Я раньше удивлялся,что при выступлениях этого Кургиняна,всегда попахивало "говнецом",а вот теперь и "кучка" обнаружилась!

[teacher]

Нет слов, какая наглость и высокомерие! Болтун и хам требует отчета у тех,кто воюет за Новороссию и в конечном счете за Россию, не имея на это никакого права. "Жену свою пусть поучит на кухне щи варить."--(почти цитата). Временами было ощущение,судя по манере разговора,что он не совсем трезвый.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Почитайте про специализацию "болтуна и хама". Просто мутный лавочник Губарев оказался не той фигурой, которая была нужна для общения.

Сам Кургинян, в начале своего интервью сказал потом: "я выкладываю видео как есть, и пусть серьезные люди которые это будут смотреть делают выводы".

[teacher]

Не нам и не Кургиняну судить прав Стрелков или нет. Не мы там воюем, не мы погибаем. И в реальной обстановке Стрелков разбирается лучше. А чем критиковать ,лучше бы помогли оружием ,причем исправным.А то меня терзают смутные подозрения, как говорил один товарищ, что на поставках кто-то нажился.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Это был один из первых вопросов Кургиняна. Посмотрите интервью внимательно. Он особо настаивал на том, не произошло ли улучшения в последний месяц, а Губарев это всячески сливал.

[silverwolf88]

По поводу войны и действий отдельных лиц ... командиров и руководителей ... критиковать не надо ... сложно понять иногда что происходит на тактическом уровне ...
Посему ещё раз говорю ... либо ты с оружием воюешь и тогда у тебя есть моральное право обсудить после боя что ещё можно было сделать ... либо не надо лезть со своими дилетантскими оценками ...

[Shadowax]

Вообщем, можно согласиться со всем написанным в этой статье. Он не в свое дело полез, критик,блин

[Khokhol-MSC]

А если предположить на секундочку, что поставки пошли, причем очень серьезные. А кто-то так и ноет, что дают тока ржавые винтовки, и Россия нас сливает. И Если он сам говорит, что он видел эти поставки?

Кургинян в данном случае частное лицо. Его мнение на хлеб для обвинения РФ не намажешь. Но там что-то с Губаревым очень мутное. И споддержкой фашизма в РФ тоже. Как вы помните из конфы, на этом месте он срочно собрался и убежал вместе со стрелковскими представителями. Как минимум странно.

[stephan cat]

Кургиняна лечить надо. Знаю,доктор Стрелков ему поможет - пропишет свинцовую пилюлю,при рецидиве.

[Khokhol-MSC]

После этого доктор Стрелков действительно, а не показушно будет сбивать самолеты палкой.

[iwakura]

если Россия реально помогает поставками оружия, то это нельзя озвучивать, такая информация усилит позиции противников России. поэтому в любом случае Стрелков и Губарев (а Губарев человек Стрелкова, хотя бы из чувства благодарности за свое освобождение) будут все отрицать независим от реального положения дел.

[sv68]

курванян решил занятся самопиаром а зря-не то место и не такое время-на войне таких псевдогероев быстро вычесляют и ставят на место.поэтому пускай лучше бежит оттуда побыстрее и забудет туда дорогу-навсегда

[Khokhol-MSC]

Сначала почитай биографию Кургиняна, потом суди кто там псевдогерой. И кто в чье распоряжение по идее должен поступить. Кто на решении ситуаций в этих конфликтах специализируется.

А квакнуть в пространство не понимая сути вещей ... таких много на Эхе Москвы.

[Shell]

Кургинян-политическая... Прости, господи. Стрелков, стратегически и политически, поступил правильно. Очень правильно, с перспективой в будущих действиях. Удачи, Тезка!

[Khokhol-MSC]

Как вы можете судить о политически верном решении? И кстати, политически верном в отношении политики какой страны: РФ, ДНР, Украина?

Т.е. где истоники верно принятого политически(!) решения? А стратегия, между прочим лишь продление политики, и о какой стратегически правильном решении вы можете судить не зная политической подоплеки? Бред.

[Shell]

Правда, судить не могу. Просто высказываю свои мысли. Может и бред, а может и нет. Время все поставит на места.
Хотя. Стратегически и политически для ДНР и ЛНР. Мне кажется правильно выбранная военная стратегия приводит в результате победы политический мир для всех сторон. Даже проигравшей стороне, Киеву, надеюсь.

[MAXIMUS]

Не нужно обращать внимание на высказывания таких неадекватных людей, как Кургинян. После того, как Кургинян гнусно отозвался об Игоре Ивановиче за оставление Славянска, для меня он перестал существовать. Я и раньше не любил его выступления на грани нервного срыва по любому поводу. Слишком открыто пытался обратить на себя внимание. Мне вспомнились слова Мюллера:"Я люблю молчунов. Если это друг, то это - друг. Если враг, то - враг. У них нет показного рвения!" Думаю, у Кургиняна его слишком много.
P.S. А, Игорь Иванович Стрелков - современное наше ВСЁ. Его трогать не позволено НИКОМУ!

[Khokhol-MSC]

Не сотвори себе кумира (с).

Кстати. Чтобы почитать про "ИгорьИвановичнашеВсе" нужно слушать "Эхо Москвы" или читать Немцова. Либо фашистский "Спутник и погром", который Игорь Иванович разрекламировал.

Потому и будем трогать. Ибо если с фашистами или либералами яшкается, то реально Навальный V2.0 как его уже окрестили радостные либералы.

[MAXIMUS]

Я высказал свою личную точку зрения. Никому её не навязываю. А, просмотрел все ваши комментарии по каждому на форуме, кто высказывается негативно о Кургиняне, и сделал вывод, что у вас с ним ЛЮБОВЬ. Горько!!! Комментировать нечего...
P.S. "Эхо Москвы" не слушаю принципиально. Либералов считаю продажными людьми и позором нации.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Я действительно считаю его одним из лучших аналитиков и политических деятелей нашего времени. И тому есть подтверждения. Причем за Кургиняном слежу в плане его анализов года так с 2010. Время сложить мнение достаточное.

И вот травля, которой его сейчас подвергают либералы и патриоты мне очень не нравится. Особенно мне не нравится, что его травят и "люди с методичками" на либеральных форумах.

А вот Стрелкова защищают даже самые махровые либералы (Немцов например). И, причем пиарят так, что он сейчас по количеству запросов популярнее Путина.

Т.е. включена вся зарубежнаямашина пропаганды на рекламу Стрелкова. И мне это не нравится.

[MAXIMUS]

Я ни в коем случае не оспариваю ваше право считать Кургиняна "...одним из лучших аналитиков и политических деятелей нашего времени." Более того. Я сам до поры до времени считал многие его аналитические расклады и прогнозы достойными и правильными. Но с И.Стрелковым он перегнул палку, незаслуженно обвинив в сдаче Славянска. А, вы не думали, что "махровые либералы" пиарят его преднамеренно с целью дискредитации в глазах патриотически настроенных граждан. Сейчас вопрос по Украине(или из-за Украины) стоит настолько остро, что любое высказывание или позиция любого человека тут же меняет представление о нем и отношение к нему. Для меня, например, к безвременно ушедшим присоединился Макаревич. Хотя, раньше я его песни любил и считал Макаревича гениальным поэтом и композитором. Сейчас он для меня по другую сторону Добра и Зла.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Насчет Макаревича, - в самое сердце. Прямо какая-то детская обида на него. И тоже вычеркнут из списка.

Насчет "Кургинян VS Стрелков".

Для меня Кургинян, - герой. Стрелков, - герой.

Но, позицию в данном вопросе я выбрал исключительно с такой точки зрения. На разных форумах, есть определенные "методичные тролли", которые с вероятностью 99,9% являются рупором пропаганды страны "эльфов".

Я походил по форумам и попинал этих троллей. Реакция, - 100% Стрелков герой.
Остальные раздражители реакция стандартная.

Пошел посмотрел как на Эхе красиво на тему Стрелкова отбомбилась целым репортажем Латынина. Потом получил линк на целую страницу хвальбы от Немцова.

Причем по популярности запроса, Стрелков сейчас лишь в 2,5 раза менее популярен Путина. Такой резкий рост популярности, с учетом поставленных выше экспериментов, связываю с включением машины пропаганды США по данной теме.

А вот Кургиняна счас активно травят, с воплем: он обидел Стрелкова.

Исходя из этого, обращаюсь к людям, с просьбой все же включать аналитический аппарат, ибо кажется все тут не так просто. И не травить зазря Кургиняна, не получив на то достаточных поводов.

[Baltika19691109]

Стрелков всё правильно сделал - сберег людей, а это дорогого стоит! А остальное - наверстают.

[ds269]

у Стрелкова- дела,а у дерьмократа кургиняна- пустые слова

[Khokhol-MSC]

Курите биографию Кургиняна. А то тупое следование за толпой: не включая голову, главное ляпнуть, а там хоть трава не расти.

[ds269]

Do not make yourself an idol

[Khokhol-MSC]

... зло ... я подумаю )))

[ds269]

за что конкретно сказать спасибо кургиняну?

[Khokhol-MSC]

В текущей ситуации или вообще.
И с чьей позиции? Я могу только с позиции сохранения РФ как сильной державы и геополитического игрока.

Мог бы удариться и в философию, но боюсь здесь не место

[ds269]

с позиции сохранения РФ как сильной державы и геополитического игрока.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Хорошо. Выберите тему:
1. болото 2012
2. противодействие ЮЮ

просто инфы много, развернуто отвечать сложно. Есть еще много тем, например, насчет присоединения Крыма, но я слабо владею ими, там копать долго придется.

[CB activist]

Странные тут люди - критики Кургиняна. Я зафиксировал уже второе появление на ресурсе настоящего мерзавца - Е.Просвирнина, автора материала "22 июня - день отмщения". Автор самораскрылся, как мерзавец и враг, но посетители охотно вступали во вполне уважительный диалог с ним, даже хвалили. Кургинян - полный антипод вышеупомянутого персонажа, но вызывает у ряда посетителей безумную ярость. Что у этих людей в голове? У них там всё перевёрнуто. Они не отличают друзей от врагов.

Я Кургиняну полностью доверяю, если он сказал, что страшный военно-технический перевес бандеровцев сейчас ликвидируется усилиями российских частных лиц и организаций, то это на сто процентов так и есть, он такие вещи проверяет (и доступ к информации имеет).

Особенно удивил крупный (действительно крупный, без всяких кавычек) интеллектуал А.Дугин. На предъявленный Кургиняном факт необоснованной сдачи Славянска, он не нашёл ничего лучше, как метнуть проклятия в адрес предъявителя. Это недостойно интеллектуала. С произошедшим тяжёлым событием надо разбираться честно, и по существу дела, не убегая от реальности в спасительные иллюзии. Иллюзии не спасают, а губят.

[tokens2]

А я вот благодарен Пурги...Кургиняну.
Так смачно поставил жирный крест на красном проекте.БРАВО!
Ибо есть более привлекательный проект - Русский Мир.
Встретимся в Российской Империи!

[Nikurov]

Дело не в Кургиняне. Этого московского городского сумасшедшего давно знают и в газетах, и на телевидении. Иногда его как и Жириновского сознательно вытаскивают на ТВ-передачи для скандала с чисто провокационными целями - достаточно типичный приём продажных журналистов. А главный вопрос - кто послал его в Донецк с целью опорочить и оклеветать И.Стрелкова и кто оплатил эту поездку? Кто-то в Москве сильно испугался быстрого роста популярности и заслуженного авторитета Игоря Ивановича и начал действовать.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Ничего-то вы о Кургиняне, оказывается, не знаете.

Так как судить можете? А при таком уровне анализа, сопоставлять величины, если уровень одной для вас загадка?

[CB activist]

А Красный Проект выдвинул и блистательно осуществил не Русский Мир? Его, наверное, осуществили марсиане, пришельцы с Красной планеты? А разве Победа над фашизмом не самая яркая страница этого проекта? Вы готовы выбросить Победу вместе с Красным проектом? А ведь иначе не получится, эти две категории связаны! Если для Вас, лексей2, 22 июня 1941г. - не день скорби, а 9 мая 1945 - не день торжества Русского духа, то можете бежать обниматься с Е.Просвирниным. Он смачно ставит жирный крест на русском будущем. А Кургинян ищет пути в это будущее.

Вам очень нравится Русский Мир, но только тот, который выдуман Вами (иллюзорный), а не тот реальный Русский Мир, который осуществил Красный проект. Избавляйтесь от иллюзий, они привлекательны, но они не спасают, они губят.

[tokens2]

CB activist
Я понимаю грустно расставаться с иллюзиями Красного проекта.
Социальная справедливость не имеет правообладателя в лице левой идеи.

А что осуществил Красный проект?????

Прогресс,образование,-это вещи 2-го порядка.
Ну создали много чего немного раньше всех...А цена?
Красный проект-это отопление дровами.Быстро-тепло но на короткую перспективу.
Русский проект даст миру гениев куда более значимых чем во все советское время.И при этом с опорой на традиции предков!А значит...надолго
А традиции,духовная мощь нации в сочетании с большим народонаселением-это фундамент всего.
А так... лишь стимулировали научную мысль планеты-ценой жизни миллионов русских.И то стимул дутый.
Также как и ваш Кургинян-с расширенным сознанием .
Его цель в другом-актерская игра.И в этом он мастер.Отдаю дань ЭТОМУ!ЕГО!таланту.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Ой, извините, что суюсь ... но так талантливо и виртуозно передергиваете ...

Особо мне понравилось: да, прогресс, образование, развитие и достижения ("создали много чего") это все заслуга Красного проекта, а потому не будем это обсуждать, ибо спорить тут бесполезно.

Давайте теперь обсудим мои fantasy: русский проект ДАСТ ...

P.S. еще раз извините, что сунулся, с огромной радостью почитаю комментарий от Активиста СВ.

[Simonov]

Высший театральный талант - убедительно сыграть дурачка.
Таким талантом несомненно обладают умнейшие (без ковычек!) люди нашего времени - Жириновский и Псаки. Да, да! Псаки - вашингтонский ответ на нашего Жирика. Они на практике увидели, как это работает и скопировали. И вдобавок Псаки - реальный громоотвод от лузера Обамы ("ниггер облажался по-полному").
Rђ RІRѕS, Purgenян - погремуха, шайтан-арба без мотора. То, что его направили в Донбасс - событие знаковое. Презитент по протоколу встречается с презитентом, а к клоунам посылают клоуна. Ребятам показали их место в политическом раскладе. Можете минусовать, но это правда. Мне самому горько от такого расклада. Карты сдают в Вашингтоне, Европе и Москве, и с козырями у всех дело плохо.
Мое мнение - к осени колоды перетусуют и скинут карты по-новому. Дожить бы только до осени без потерь.

[soyuz-nik]

Есть ура-патриоты, есть караул-патриоты, а есть еще (прости, Господи!) и кретин-патриоты а-ля Кургинян....

[CB activist]

Есть в России два крупных интеллектуала, два резких оппонента - А.Дугин и Е.Кургинян. В одном, по крайней мере, они солидарны, что капитализм - тупик и гибель (сейчас это относится ко всему миру, а не только к России). Но для России угроза гибели в условиях капитализма (сырьевого, на других условиях Россию в мир капитализма не приняли бы) стала очевидна в период между февралём и октябрём 1917 года. Красный Проект, таким образом, стал реальным ответом реального, а не выдуманного Русского Мира на исторический вызов капитализма.

Повторю, исторический вызов заключался в том, что России предлагалось войти в капитализм на правах ресурсной базы, полуколонии. Поймите, более привилегированных мест для России в мире капитализма не приготовили. На эту унылую перспективу Русский Мир ответил Красным Проектом. Это ответ моего деда - деревенского хлопца, который стал советским офицером, это ответ целого поколения. Вам, лексей2, ответ не нравится? Извините, такова реальность, ничего другого предложить не могу-с!

Предать анафеме Красный Проект - значит предать анафеме и Победу над фашизмом, и целое поколение дедов (а для кого-то и прадедов). Вам это поколение не дорого? Тогда Вы кто? И с таким багажом, вычеркнув целые поколения русских людей, Вы хотите выдвинуть Русский проект? А оно получится? Это факт, что Русский Мир выдержал гигантские тяготы и лишения 20-го века благодаря Красному Проекту. Разруху начала 21-го века придётся преодолевать в режиме мобилизации, также, как и разруху начала века 20-го. Тут Сталинский опыт нам всем в помощь.

В мобилизационном режиме проходила подготовка к Войне с фашизмом. Это бред, что Ворошилов и Будённый были упёртыми кавалеристами. Их, как и всех, интересовало количество и качество танков и самолётов. Потом Война. Но вместо послевоенной расслабухи, последовало послевоенное восстановление в мобилизационном режиме, реализация ракетного и ядерного проектов, такой темп задали нам наши американские "друзья". Но не срослось у них начать победоносную Третью мировую ядерную войну. А подумайте, чуть сбавили бы темп в период 1945-1950г.г., и Третья мировая стала бы реальностью.

И неужели все свершения Красного Проекта были для того, что-бы такой вот лексей2 имел счастливую возможность высокомерно, вальяжно судить этот проект?

[tokens2]

CB activist

что-бы такой вот лексей2 имел счастливую возможность высокомерно, вальяжно судить этот проект?

О серьезных вещах нужно говорить просто или... никак.
Старайтесь может и у вас получится

Это ответ моего деда - деревенского хлопца, который стал советским офицером, это ответ целого поколения. Вам, лексей2, ответ не нравится? Извините, такова реальность, ничего другого предложить не могу-с!

Мои предки тоже внесли свой вклад в Победу.
Да...и прапрапредок служил в царской армии.

На счет капитализма...
Это человеческая болезнь которую надо лечить постепенно.
Но острая фаза конечно должна быть преодолена.
А заниматься отсечением головы при головной боли-пустое.

Красный проект в моем представлении это был грандиозный эксперимент.При чем заложен был еще в Российской Империи.Вместе с индустриализацией во время ПМВ,намечавшимся внедрением всеобщего образования, социальной защиты рабочего, касс взаимопомощи.

Фактически...красный проект нагло присвоил лучшие передовые идеи того времени в России.

А интервенция послужила залогом успеха победы красных-режиссура налицо.Запад сыграл роль плохого полицейского и сплотил всех спецов под красными знаменами.
Слово анафема и красный проект?
A successful combination
Но не своевременное.Время все расставит по своим местам.
Хотя с ситуацией на Украине все будет гораздо быстрее.
Печально...но украинцы считают красный проект для себя угрозой №1.
И что ради мнимого спокойствия таких как ВЫ Россия должна нажить себе 40 млн врагов-украинцев?
Слишком дорогая цена...
А против Русского мира украинцы ментально не хотят быть врагами.
Лично мне плевать на этот красный проект если он сделает(да и делает!) единый русский народ разделенным.

[gammipapa]

Да это прекрасно ,что Кургинян так навалил себе в карман . Стольким людям мозги в России заsрал своей пропагандой ,теперь многие отвернутся .

[CB activist]

Уважаемый Хохол-МСК, спасибо Вам. Извините, что только сейчас собрался внимательно прочитать все Ваши комментарии и увидел, Вы бьётесь давно. Бьётесь за реальность и здравый смысл, за логичность и связность мышления. Это большой дефицит в наше время. Ещё раз спасибо.

[Khokhol-MSC]

Thank you.
Но именно за реальность, здравый смысл, логику мышления. Но не именно за Сергея Ервандовича, как тут многие восприняли ))

С другой стороны, буду рад, если и в дальнейшем будет так происходить, что моя позиция на его стороне. Значит и во мне не всё советское воспитание полегло и моральные устои, и он от курса не отклонился

[CB activist]

Зашёл случайно, просто оценить обстановку, обнаружил, что удалены все комментарии автора "Хохол-МСК". Работа администрации? Ну-ну, продолжайте в том же духе. Удалите ещё и мои, это проще, т.к. их меньше. Зачистить оппонентов - некоторым умникам, оказывается, так мало надо для счастья, и так просто его достичь...