On the exit Strelkova from the environment. Opinion of the Ukrainian military

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On the exit Strelkova from the environment. Opinion of the Ukrainian military


Posted by Ukrainian military with one big star. Considered one of the most capable in the Sun Ruins. In general, loyal to any government, but shocked by what is happening. I am not involved in the punitive operation, and I am very happy about it.

At Strelkov’s exit from Slavyansk, your Kurginyan bears the most outspoken x ... y. I am not interested in his hidden motives, I am not interested in the insider, which he may have, I say that on the surface.

A minus from leaving Slavyansk alone is any retreat from the unpleasantly receding side.

Now why did Slavyansk have to be left ...

From an operational point of view.

After complete encirclement and blockade, the destruction of the defending group is a matter of time. They run out of combat and other supplies. To release the motley "DPR" forces from the outside could not.

Slavyansk is a relatively small city, in the operational and tactical sense it is very difficult to defend it. Especially in the environment.

Preserving the most combat-ready "DPR" forces that went through combat coordination, received good combat experience and military motivation is much more important than the retention of one settlement, although it has already become the Symbol.

"Slavic standing" gave time to create the armed forces of the "DPR". For the most part, this time is spent ineptly - there are forces, but they are not united and not coordinated. Pull further - death like. The Slavnya grouping serves as a good backbone for the rapid unification of all armed forces, and the Strelkov for the organization of unity of command, without which the army is impossible.

After the complete blockade of Slavyansk ours could no longer go on the assault, and did not intend to. We planned to do Donetsk, which is not yet ready for a normal defense. The "shooter" with his people would have stayed away from the main events, and nothing serious would have meant any more.

And now it turns out that now, while most of the forces are diverted to the Slavic direction, besides, the best, a quick way out of there gives it a head start in a few days - our quick response to the changed situation is impossible, it gives a few days to change our own strategy and tactics .

Bear in mind that we did not know anything about leaving until the very end. According to intelligence, the shooter was going to sit on the defensive to the end. The stars are already flying for this mistake.

The moment of exit from the point of view of the growth of threats is selected masterly. Just when it was needed - not earlier and not later. It seems to me that if Strelkov played on the exchange rates, he would have become a millionaire))

From a humanitarian point of view.

This Kurginyan said that residents were “abandoned” without protection. Let's imagine that Strelkov decided to protect the residents of Slavyansk to the last inhabitant of Slavyansk. What will happen?

Our "white sheet" is given for everything. With a guarantee that everything will be written off. So, Slavyansk will erase artillery from the face of the earth, half and more people will die. Without medical assistance, the wounded will die. Many painfully. Hunger, epidemics. In the end, after heavy losses, the city will take weeks through 1-2-3 and ... No one will be responsible for the rest.

Having entered an organized city left behind by the militia and active residents, they are ashamed to arrange a mass slaughter. They need to be beautiful. From Kiev, ordered to show humanism. Sent journalists. The arrests will be serious, but they will not cut everyone. Already good.

From a moral and political point of view.

The death of the Slavic group through 2-3 weeks would mean the loss of half of the most combat-ready parts of the “Armed Forces of the DPR”. With this loss exactly the same as now, the moral factor "Slavyansk fell" but multiplied many times by the loss of its garrison. This would lead to complete demoralization and a quick defeat of the remaining forces.

An organized breakthrough from the environment should be viewed as a small and important tactical victory. Block "Arrow" and destroy its grouping failed. On the other hand, a qualitative replenishment (experienced, motivated, with high fighting spirit of the fighters) went to Donetsk with a leader who will now start cleaning Makhnovshchina. This is the alphabet. In wartime, all power should be concentrated in the hands of the military administration. And nothing else. As still the formal “Minister of Defense of the DPR”, now he should actually take military and mostly civilian power into his own hands. Which, apparently, has already begun to do.

In summary:

1. Retained the most combat-ready parts of the “DPR” and military equipment.
2. Saved many lives of residents of Slavyansk.
3. Significantly strengthened the garrison of Donetsk.
4. Opened prospects for restoring order in the leadership of the DPR. First of all in the military sense.
5. Strelok gained access to resources that settled in Donetsk and did not reach its troops.

And Donetsk is not a small Slavyansk. Would not have been our napoleon such cowardly idiots, it could be a long time to take powerful Cleave. This could be done even today, tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow is too late. But until tomorrow they will not have time. Because idiots.

In general, unless there is some political or other incidents, in military terms is now Donetsk can be kept for a long time. And our idiots can blame themselves. ”
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  1. +56
    9 July 2014 07: 40
    There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.
    1. +14
      9 July 2014 07: 47
      And ours can blame themselves. ”
      Yes, they stayed .... quite an adequate assessment of the rest! (And the right word in I. moderated in a quote ...) wassat
      1. +2
        9 July 2014 08: 43
        Quote: 311ove
        There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.
        What was ordered, then grinds. And the guys left Slavyansk in comfort.
        1. 0
          9 July 2014 08: 50
          And another photo. Null camouflage, sparkling assault rifles. Yes .... And this is after a month and a half of continuous battles. request A clown shot an RPG shot at hell when loading, because in a closed minibus it will go, and if it accidentally hooks on loading. Kabzdets himself along with his comrades. A strange war, strange guys.
          1. +7
            9 July 2014 08: 57
            Quote: baltika-18
            A clown shot an RPG shot at horseradish when loading, because in a closed minibus it will go, and if it accidentally hooks when loading. The kabzdets himself together with his comrades

            Because not a professional.
            1. -11
              9 July 2014 09: 16
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Because not a professional.
              He’s an artist. In the foreground is a clown with a PKK. So I’m sure that this barrel wasn’t in battle. I just know how the weapon looks after constant use, even if you rarely shoot from it.
              1. +1
                12 July 2014 06: 14
                Quote: baltika-18
                .In the foreground is a clown with a PKK. So I’m sure that this barrel wasn’t in battle. I just know what the weapon looks like after constant use, even if you rarely shoot from it.

                So maybe this is just fine! Maybe this is confirmation that Russia nevertheless provides assistance, and the new PKK confirms this.
            2. +15
              9 July 2014 14: 01
              actually there is a fuse, and in case of a sudden attack, immediately ready
              1. +11
                10 July 2014 03: 13
                Quote: Kindest Dec
                actually there is a fuse, and in case of a sudden attack, immediately ready


                Thanks for the comment. In war, weapons are always loaded. And fuses are a reliable thing.
                -------------
                And if someone is not always charged, he very quickly learns to keep weapons loaded always. If you stay alive.
          2. -34
            9 July 2014 08: 59
            And another photo. Ukrvoyaki bastards in Slavyansk. And where only Girkin’s saboteurs look?
            1. +6
              9 July 2014 09: 20
              Quote: baltika-18
              Ukrvoyaki indulge in Slavyansk. And where only Girkin’s saboteurs look?

              And what can you do with such an armored personnel carrier, have you seen how many remote sensing devices are behind the beds? what
              1. -18
                9 July 2014 09: 36
                Well, here you have another photo. Just shot.
                1. -17
                  9 July 2014 09: 38
                  And this is he before the shot. Damn, the clown does not distinguish between an inert training grenade and a combat grenade?
                  1. -17
                    9 July 2014 09: 47
                    Yeprst. Yes, he has a whole photo shoot. Note the journalist all the time next to him. All photos are from different resources. But the clown with the grenade launcher is the same, naturally the photographer.
                    1. +22
                      9 July 2014 11: 13
                      These photos were taken in Lugansk during the assault on the observational base of border guards. Photos on the roof of the house opposite the base.
                    2. GDP
                      +2
                      9 July 2014 12: 51
                      And by the way, a fresh map of the fighting on the eve of Strelkov’s retreat. The territory controlled by the rebels of the Southeast is narrowing more and more ...

                      Now this is already 30-25 percent of the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

                      map


                      right click to open image
                    3. +14
                      9 July 2014 13: 04
                      There are a lot of oddities!
                      Strange war
                      Strange exit from Slavyansk.
                      A strange company of leaders, commanders and journalists and their acquaintance to the uttermost mess ...
                      Lyashko’s strange detention and after that he tweeted an hour later.
                      A strange seizure of power in the LPR and DPR, if until now some branches of government are subordinate and funded from Kiev ... and so on.
                      1. +10
                        10 July 2014 18: 23
                        For some reason, I believe Igor Ivanovich now more than my native president, if you convince me something wrong. Strelkov really had a tricky plan, and what about us?
                      2. 0
                        11 July 2014 22: 48
                        vladstro
                        Strelkov really had a tricky plan, but ours?

                        Based on such a long silence of our President, I want to believe that this plan was somehow agreed with us.
                      3. 0
                        11 July 2014 02: 00
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        There are a lot of oddities!
                        Strange war
                        Strange exit from Slavyansk.
                        A strange company of leaders, commanders and journalists and their acquaintance to the uttermost mess ...
                        Lyashko’s strange detention and after that he tweeted an hour later.
                        A strange seizure of power in the LPR and DPR, if until now some branches of government are subordinate and funded from Kiev ... and so on.


                        One expression is chaos on the outskirts of the Russian Empire.
                      4. +6
                        11 July 2014 08: 17
                        well-planned, well-organized and continuously non-stop controlled and fueled by chaos ...
                      5. Tank48
                        +1
                        11 July 2014 04: 30
                        This is called the information war, however, recently all wars include a large information component, the truth in which is very small (no one will honestly say all strategically important data), especially on the part of the punishers. And disinformation of the enemy is one of the most important tasks.
                  2. +3
                    9 July 2014 10: 19
                    What they gave out to that and is fighting.
                  3. +1
                    11 July 2014 19: 27
                    Can you bravely replace clowns there?
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            2. 0
              9 July 2014 10: 17
              Burbukhaik, Urkov option ...
            3. -24
              9 July 2014 14: 52
              And here are the screenshots from one video. Those who bastard in Slavyansk before Ukravoyak. This is a Motorola with a deodorant and his future wife Elena in the background (horror!) Of a house struck by phosphorus munition.
              1. -26
                9 July 2014 14: 57
                Screenshot from the same video. Elena against the background of the house struck by phosphorus munitions. She tells about it in the video.
                Do the idiots write the script for them? Or do they already consider us as an absolutely dumb herd?
            4. +6
              10 July 2014 12: 44
              Quote: baltika-18
              And another photo. Ukrvoyaki bastards in Slavyansk. And where only Girkin’s saboteurs look?

              Now sabotage is categorically impossible. Then there will definitely be bloody sweeps. Let them relax first
            5. -4
              11 July 2014 01: 58
              Quote: baltika-18
              And another photo. Ukrvoyaki bastards in Slavyansk. And where only Girkin’s saboteurs look?


              Ha ha ha This is why they attached wooden pieces with bags to the armored personnel carrier to protect against RPGs !? Ha!
          3. +41
            9 July 2014 09: 13
            A strange war? Strange guys? - Strange comments and strange photos. Militias left the city at night, and then the sun is at its zenith.
            1. +1
              9 July 2014 09: 23
              Quote: REMBO
              Strange comments and strange photos.
              Claims against journalists, I didn’t take pictures of them. One more thing for you. Who can cover these two clowns in the foreground in such positions? They pose, portray cool warriors. Sorry guys, but I’ve got that machine gunner in the background from 300 meters from ordinary Kalash without any optics I will dump the first line, not to mention the sedentary one.
              1. Armin
                +19
                9 July 2014 09: 51
                Quote: baltika-18
                Answer who these two clowns in the foreground can cover in such positions?

                Just so photogenic. Do not sit in a dirty trench.
                1. -6
                  9 July 2014 10: 24
                  Quote: armin
                  Just so photogenic. Do not sit in a dirty trench.
                  Yes, please. They are clean in the dirty trenches. They always issue clean camouflage upon the arrival of journalists.
                  1. -14
                    9 July 2014 10: 39
                    Once such a topic has begun. Hold the task for the brain. An ukrofashist in Crane Liman with a pussy.
                    1. -5
                      9 July 2014 10: 45
                      The Donetsk militia is also with a pussy. And I can bring such photos with cats like dirt. What the hell are they writing scripts of filming in one place?
                      1. +10
                        9 July 2014 13: 52
                        Donetsk gloves are cooler
                      2. Anat1974
                        +8
                        9 July 2014 20: 57
                        Yes, and alloy wheels.
                      3. Erg
                        +2
                        10 July 2014 19: 15
                        And this, by chance, is not a "Wrangler" ?. Can another pussy wait for him there? wassat
                      4. +4
                        9 July 2014 15: 26
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        They that damn scenarios filming in one place they write?

                        Are you hinting at something? Could it be more specific?
                      5. -1
                        9 July 2014 15: 45
                        Quote: Nick
                        Are you hinting at something? Could it be more specific?
                        There are two parties to the conflict. And a third party leads them. That is why the informational picture is like this.
                      6. +2
                        9 July 2014 20: 37
                        And I, just now, for a similar comment of minuses stuck on the most I can not.
                      7. DimychDV
                        +4
                        11 July 2014 06: 41
                        Cats, especially kittens, will conquer the Internet. Those who pet fluffies are good guys. And that their hands are up to the elbow in the blood is another matter.
                      8. -1
                        11 July 2014 08: 20
                        wipe the blood ...
                      9. +25
                        9 July 2014 15: 49
                        Didn't you recognize the provocateur? And he hints specifically: "They say, what kind of warriors!" And all his "clowns". Well, well, let it be so. Good informational "camouflage".
                      10. -52
                        9 July 2014 19: 26
                        The Baltic states the case and if he doesn’t want, I’ll say it’s just reconstruction, a game of war! They deceived us! It was not for nothing that he was!
                        Now the girl wrote after she took them bedclothes and pillows! And all the information from Slavyansk was sent by Steshin and Kots, the rest of the journalists were killed and re-arrested. So to speak, they stopped the information flow. They are the only source from Slavyansk! That's what I came to. He merged Slavyansk , as Kurginyan said, only when he considered himself Zhukov, for this now Ervandych is being trampled, but that is not the point! The image of a military leader and the only one capable of solving the problems of Donbas was molded by two journalists and "brave" soldiers
                        This is the reason for the demarche! He is a traitor and everything that happened there EXACTLY, this is the murder of civilians by the Ukrainian Army by agreement with Strelkov and the "militia"
                        It can be minus! BUT I could not say nothing about it!
                      11. +21
                        10 July 2014 00: 01
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        The Baltic states the case and if he doesn’t want, I’ll say it’s just reconstruction, a game of war! They deceived us! It was not for nothing that he was!

                        The Baltics are dropping bullshit when we had a Chechen company, then after a REAL battle our reporters filmed a report about it in the Volgograd High Frequency. And if in the rear window dressing, this does not cancel the real events on the front line.
                      12. -5
                        10 July 2014 11: 00
                        Yes, I’m not talking about staged photos ... Some part may be for the picture, I'm talking about photos supposedly from the scene, from the places of execution and so on ... Everyone now has telephones and video cameras in them, but there is not enough material! We get the bulk of information from Strelkov’s reports .... If I am mistaken, I apologize, but so far there are a lot of oddities and suspicions!
                      13. Mwg
                        +5
                        10 July 2014 17: 55
                        You decide for yourself what you are achieving. Can you, however, go there to the trenches and try not to take off the phone? Then lay out reliable Old. And we honor, but appreciate. And then we can sit out in the basement.
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                      15. -8
                        10 July 2014 22: 44
                        I answered you, but the comment was deleted, to be afraid that it would damage your state of mind.)) In short, Rambochka, I’ll say briefly, I don’t want to be the one who pisses in the ears. You think they are fighting for the "Russian world", but there is still the same old Jewish theater!
                        P \ S Moderator Apollo. I couldn’t reply to the warning in person, as the filter doesn’t pass back. Question: Where was the violation there? Is there no mat or decided to find fault? I don’t like that Armenia is closer to me, so you’re taking out impotent rage!) )
                      16. 0
                        11 July 2014 02: 11
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        The Baltic states the case and if he doesn’t want, I’ll say it’s just reconstruction, a game of war! They deceived us! It was not for nothing that he was!

                        The Baltics are dropping bullshit when we had a Chechen company, then after a REAL battle our reporters filmed a report about it in the Volgograd High Frequency. And if in the rear window dressing, this does not cancel the real events on the front line.


                        good Exactly. These guys here are constantly shown at RIA Novosti - any anti-terrorist operation in Russia - the picture in the news about the ATO is always the same. This one:
                      17. +15
                        10 July 2014 03: 39
                        Why aren't you in Slavyansk? You certainly wouldn’t merge and betray, but all heroically you won
                        And instead of Strelkov and Girkin, you can safely enter your name and you can not even speak, and so everyone understood
                      18. +11
                        10 July 2014 10: 06
                        Ch.uvak, you need to change the site and everything will be fine. And the uniform, and the trenches, and photographers, and kittens, and do not touch the Arrow and the militia. It is not for you and your like to judge them ...
                      19. -13
                        10 July 2014 10: 45
                        Quote: Rock2
                        Ch.uvak, you need to change the site and everything will be fine
                        Don’t advise me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go ... Dude! The militia doesn’t touch anyone, I only touch the one in Slavyansk!
                      20. Dersu65
                        +3
                        11 July 2014 06: 58
                        Nobody left him from the militia, they left their homes, and you sit a pig and no no
                      21. -1
                        11 July 2014 20: 16
                        ok under the nickname derSU65 with 13 "comments" in one line, you don't have to scream about sitting! Anyone who plays in tanks in "Word of Tank" like you, darned warrior))) When you try to write something, take the pacifier out of your mouth, and then it prevents your brain from working!
                      22. +7
                        10 July 2014 10: 15
                        Do you envy the General? I realized that tongue what did you write?
                      23. +4
                        10 July 2014 11: 26
                        I understood and what was written by me was noticed a month ago ... At first I thought the same pictures were posted in the park, and then I realized that there wasn’t, this was done, due to lack of material!
                        We need hysteria and everyone should shout Putini order, and in case he does not do it, Putin will shout everything! It was not for nothing that these statements by Strelkov were about the introduction of troops, we are surrounded, etc. These pitiful messages: "Russia has abandoned us, we are surrounded (as it turned out, this is not entirely true), give weapons" outraged the people in Russia and incite against the one who did not help, that is, Putin! , and Kurginyan's indignation almost convinced me of this ...
                      24. +6
                        10 July 2014 12: 58
                        I didn’t understand, what kind of person will you be? Is Kurginyan your friend? So you both wanted Strelkov and the most combat-ready unit of the DPR to perish in the county town, and Donetsk to merge the dill? FUCK YOU GUYS !!!
                      25. -3
                        10 July 2014 14: 29
                        Kurginyan is not my friend and I condemn him for the fact that he began to publicly express claims to Strelkov.
                        Quote: romaniron
                        So you both wanted Strelkov and the most combat-ready unit of the DPR to perish in the county town, and Donetsk to merge the dill?
                        I don’t need to ascribe other people's desires, the essence of my comment is that there was more staging than real confrontation in Slavyansk! The only thing there was definitely the shelling of the Ukrainian armed forces and the killing of civilians!
                      26. Cossack23
                        0
                        10 July 2014 23: 17
                        yeah and huge losses among the militias
                      27. -1
                        11 July 2014 03: 13
                        Quote: Cossack23
                        yeah and huge losses among the militias
                        When?
                      28. Khokhol-MSC
                        +1
                        10 July 2014 17: 04
                        Kurginyan came to establish contact with Strelkov. Directly, as supply disruptions began. As a result, they did not give him the meeting with Strelkov and fanned out.
                      29. -3
                        10 July 2014 23: 42
                        I don't know why Kurginyan came. My opinion is my observation. Strelokov will merge everything and in everything, our bawlers will accuse Putin, “for not providing assistance.” In Russia, they will try to organize Bolotnaya2, only not on liberal values, but on patriotic ones, that's what I see. They are already like zombies, as in the case of Novalny .... God forbid that I was wrong and it was not so, but everything is very similar. They do not draw obvious lies to blunders, everything is attributed to the war and Ukrainian propaganda, as in In the case of Novalny, when he attributed all his shoals to the intrigues of the FSB and the admin resurs. Now the hamsters have moved away from hypnosis, but they were very close to merge the country for the second time in 21 years! This I do not want!
                      30. Mwg
                        0
                        10 July 2014 17: 59
                        Well, if Kurginyan’s indignation finally convinced you, then I won’t be surprised that now you are sitting and crying over attacks on you on this site. Go blow your nose.
                      31. +6
                        10 July 2014 18: 45
                        Quote: MVG
                        I won’t be surprised

                        And do not, it was just an attempt to voice, long said Socrates _
                        "I know that I know nothing".


                        What is happening now in Ukraine can not be understood and explained, the civil war is there.

                      32. +1
                        10 July 2014 21: 25
                        Quote: MVG
                        Well, if Kurginyan’s indignation finally convinced you
                        I wrote almost convinced
                        Quote: MVG
                        then I won’t be surprised that now you are sitting and crying over attacks on you on this site
                        Do not hold on to me for more than a day on this site and I knew that many would not agree with my words. In my life I often remained alone with my opinion, I won’t get used to it, I’ll survive! crying
                        Quote: MVG
                        Go blow your nose.
                        crying
                      33. Andrey Borodin
                        -1
                        12 July 2014 00: 01
                        At least one is adequate here.
                      34. 0
                        10 July 2014 17: 45
                        this is called impotent malice
                      35. 0
                        10 July 2014 20: 57
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        The Baltic states the case and if he doesn’t want, I’ll say it’s just a reconstruction, a game of war!

                        There was a reconstruction, but I think it’s not always and not everywhere, but for the rest I’m forced to support your opinion, since from the current situation (and the incoming information), the conclusion suggests itself. With respect.
                        PS: By the way, besides RECONSTRUCTOR, bearded shooters, also JOURNALISTS, i.e. people giving INFORMATION to the layman, i.e. us. Of the three shullers playing preference, the winner is the one who writes the "bullet" (who has a pencil in his hands).
                      36. +3
                        11 July 2014 09: 24
                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        shullers playing preference, the winner is the one who writes the "bullet" (who has a pencil in his hands).

                        Well, firstly, preference is a very fair game, cheaters do not play it, and secondly, everyone writes the "bullet" to themselves, and the rest make sure that they are not mistaken: you can forget to write about the bullet and whists, but always they will remind you, well, and thirdly: you don’t know how to write a "bullet" in preference, do not sit down to play !!!
                      37. 0
                        11 July 2014 11: 17
                        Quote: papik09
                        Well, firstly, preference is a very fair game, cheaters do not play it, and secondly, everyone writes the "bullet" to themselves, and the rest make sure that they are not mistaken: you can forget to write about the bullet and whists, but always they will remind you, well, and thirdly: you don’t know how to write a "bullet" in preference, do not sit down to play !!!

                        Thank! You opened my eyes to THE TRUTH OF LIFE ™, if it weren’t for you, we would have died and died !!! 111 fellow First:
                        Quote: papik09
                        cheaters do not play it
                        Perhaps, somewhere in student dormitories they don't play, but I personally saw such "subchiks" in real life, and in general, cheaters play everything that brings money, even, do not believe it, billiards. Secondly.
                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        Of the three shullers playing preference, the winner is the one who writes the "bullet" (who has a pencil in his hands).
                        This is a common phrase (saying), and not an axiom for "live life"so your comment to put it mildly: "out of stock, out of tune ..."... And thirdly, if you do not agree with the essence of someone else's statement, "ditch" it reasonably, and clinging to insignificant (in meaning) phrases said to emphasize this very essence is not very effective tactics, it is much more reliable to "dig" to, say, spelling or punctuation and making the opponent an "ignoramus", on this basis to build the failure of his, the opponent's, opinion. good. With respect.
                      38. +1
                        11 July 2014 02: 07
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        The Baltic states the case and if he doesn’t want, I’ll say it’s just reconstruction, a game of war! They deceived us! It was not for nothing that he was!
                        Now the girl wrote after she took them bedclothes and pillows! And all the information from Slavyansk was sent by Steshin and Kots, the rest of the journalists were killed and re-arrested. So to speak, they stopped the information flow. They are the only source from Slavyansk! That's what I came to. He merged Slavyansk , as Kurginyan said, only when he considered himself Zhukov, for this now Ervandych is being trampled, but that is not the point! The image of a military leader and the only one capable of solving the problems of Donbas was molded by two journalists and "brave" soldiers
                        This is the reason for the demarche! He is a traitor and everything that happened there EXACTLY, this is the murder of civilians by the Ukrainian Army by agreement with Strelkov and the "militia"
                        It can be minus! BUT I could not say nothing about it!


                        And how did you "rise to the rank of marshal"? what
                      39. 0
                        11 July 2014 03: 19
                        Quote: Dmitry Toderese
                        And how did you "rise to the rank of marshal"?
                        And what bothers you?)) That the point of view does not coincide with yours?
                      40. +1
                        11 July 2014 17: 56
                        Personally, this bothers me.
                        Looks like I did not come across information to support your opinion.
                      41. Dersu65
                        0
                        11 July 2014 06: 53
                        The shooter will come for you Svidomo
                      42. 0
                        11 July 2014 11: 27
                        Dill. It’s rotten only somehow you get it. Apparently they pay a little.
                      43. +1
                        11 July 2014 18: 06
                        Quote: Dersu65
                        The shooter will come for you Svidomo

                        Quote: navara399
                        Dill. It’s rotten only somehow you get it. Apparently they pay a little.

                        Both screwed up, neither Svidomo, nor dill, nor paid .... You hamsters do not understand what they have their own opinion.
                        As for you, I doubt that you are not paid! You registered in the spring and you have a fart ripping everything off according to the training manual (Classic) ... just now we’ve caught another wave .. patriotic and you blindly use people who really are!
                      44. +4
                        10 July 2014 19: 21
                        Thank God that the pussies are different, otherwise hamsters would have a brain break
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                      46. 0
                        11 July 2014 21: 45
                        one has a face open, and the other is full of something. Show your muzzle.
                      47. +1
                        11 July 2014 22: 25
                        It's just that people in war do not lose kindness. Natsik children are killed, they shoot at cats and sobs, their poor ego is amused, they feel like supermen! And the militias keep their human - they get married, they save the cats.
                        Even in the face of death, these people preserve the human! May God grant them health and life! good
                      48. 0
                        12 July 2014 06: 24
                        baltika-18
                        I’m looking at these photos and I just can’t connect them with your comments. What does Motorola have to do with his wife and deodorant ... Something is wrong, you can’t splatter with the deodorant, stroke the kitten with the fascist or militia?
                    2. 0
                      9 July 2014 17: 09
                      why is he in a mask answer?
                    3. +1
                      10 July 2014 15: 03
                      and here it was not without seals ...
                    4. 0
                      10 July 2014 15: 03
                      and here it was not without seals ...
                    5. edisson
                      0
                      11 July 2014 14: 40
                      If you take pictures of cats, then a close-up of blood-lapping on the floor.
                  2. +1
                    9 July 2014 10: 52
                    Yes, please. They are clean in the dirty trenches. They always issue clean camouflage upon the arrival of journalists.

                    only the eyes of something sad
                  3. 0
                    11 July 2014 02: 04
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    Quote: armin
                    Just so photogenic. Do not sit in a dirty trench.
                    Yes, please. They are clean in the dirty trenches. They always issue clean camouflage upon the arrival of journalists.


                    Well no. It's just that people are neat and do not swine.
                2. +6
                  9 July 2014 10: 43
                  these pictures are then propagated to all Ukrainian sites and newspapers. They send the plus to the west. Do not show the deaf Ukrainian soldiers or show off to the European citizen. Not an ice!
                  1. +5
                    9 July 2014 11: 45
                    Quote: DOMINO100
                    these pictures are then propagated across all Ukrainian sites
                    And not only in Ukrainian. I submit to court a photo of ukrvoyaki, freshly, in Slavyansk. Military experts say what you think. Attention to weapons. To see an enlarged view: cursor on the photo, right-click on it, open the menu in new tab. waiting for your conclusions.
                    1. +22
                      9 July 2014 12: 17
                      He has a collimator backwards, and the belt is attached to the ramrod. And the belt length is strange.
                      1. +11
                        9 July 2014 14: 04
                        And the sun is TWO !!! see the shadow of the belt and the shadow of the concrete)))
                      2. Dersu65
                        0
                        11 July 2014 07: 10
                        You're probably oblique. The sun is shining from above.
                      3. +1
                        9 July 2014 21: 45
                        so almost damn that's the belt on the eggs
                      4. Mwg
                        +1
                        10 July 2014 18: 02
                        Precisely noticed. Conclusion - a stupid person is)))
                      5. +1
                        11 July 2014 09: 27
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        And the belt length is strange.

                        And this is so that, grabbing at one end of the belt, twist it over his head, like a drunk priest censer wassat
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                    3. Ferrum_34
                      -3
                      9 July 2014 12: 21
                      It looks like AK-12, but with dope it is in the hands of dill, that's the question ...
                      1. +7
                        9 July 2014 12: 37
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        He has a collimator backwards, and the belt is attached to the ramrod.
                        That's right, because the plastic lining does not allow the belt to be in the right place. And the barrel itself generally knows some kind of horseradish modification AK-47 caliber 7,62, it can be seen from the horn and the barrel. It is clear that with such a collimator installation, and it overlaps the line this fool never aimed his shots. And in general he has a poor idea apparently. He poses with what they gave. The performance of the actors of the burnt theater.
                      2. 0
                        9 July 2014 12: 42
                        I decided to add the correct collimator position to the photo, because it should still be located as close to the eye of the shooter as possible.
                      3. +7
                        9 July 2014 14: 04
                        I won’t be surprised if this turns out to be an airsoft drive at all))) Very similar to the CYMA AK47 in body kit.
                      4. +5
                        9 July 2014 14: 09
                        99% airsoft, it’s not even burnished, namely painted), and the bronik is too much like a PANTAC replica.
                        The usual mumbled monster for a staged photo.
                      5. 0
                        9 July 2014 19: 15
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        Because the plastic lining does not allow the belt to be in place.

                        And the length of the belt itself, is it right now?
                        request
                      6. 0
                        9 July 2014 23: 19
                        And yet, a collimator is installed on this place. There are video tutorials on YouTube by one American specialist, the series is called "Adaptive Kalash".
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                      8. +1
                        10 July 2014 17: 12
                        And they say (in the video) that the calimator should stand back to front? Probably an innovation ...
                      9. +1
                        10 July 2014 12: 49
                        Take a closer look ... in the background, on the facade is a flag of the Russian Airborne Forces ????????????
                      10. +4
                        9 July 2014 13: 57
                        I'm swollen too. but maybe it's a fighter of a special airsoft unit :))
                      11. +2
                        9 July 2014 14: 07
                        Quote: Zhekson
                        I'm swollen too. but maybe it's a fighter of a special airsoft unit :))
                        Warriors, damn it, reenactors there, airsoft-masturbators.
                      12. +3
                        9 July 2014 14: 27
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        Warriors, damn it, reenactors there, airsoft-masturbators.

                        For your information, Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin, in his "hobby", is none other than RECONSTRUCTOR Yes ...
                      13. +1
                        9 July 2014 15: 35
                        Quote: Corsair
                        For your information, Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin, in his "hobby", is none other than a RECONSTRUCTOR ...

                        In the subject, and then what?
                      14. +1
                        10 July 2014 20: 23
                        Quote: Nick
                        In the subject, and then what?

                        Appoint him (Strelkov) the Roman Emperor (photo with "Maxim", obviously loses) laughing
                      15. +3
                        10 July 2014 15: 02
                        The lorica of the segment looks better. Man has found himself in life. Respect
                      16. Mwg
                        0
                        10 July 2014 18: 05
                        So what? Loves people to be on the adrenaline.
                      17. +4
                        9 July 2014 13: 58
                        Quote: Ferrum_34
                        It looks like AK-12, but with dope it is in the hands of dill, that's the question ...

                        You saw AK - 12, well, at least in the picture?
                        WHAT is common here ???

                        Clickable Image
                      18. 0
                        10 July 2014 20: 20
                        Quote: Corsair
                        You saw AK - 12, well, at least in the picture?

                        Are you sure that your picture is not a photoshop fake? I am personally confused by the sector sight on the receiver cover. At such a distance from the eye, he will not be able to "work", and if it is a diopter, then this design is also bullshit, and on the AK cover (stamped because with a milled AK cover, it will weigh like a PC) it can only be placed мчkick. With respect.
                      19. +5
                        9 July 2014 14: 11
                        Quote: Ferrum_34
                        It looks like AK-12, but with dope it is in the hands of dill, that's the question ...

                        this kit with straps, not AK-12

                      20. Anat1974
                        +5
                        9 July 2014 21: 06
                        What is it like? In my opinion, it looks more like AK 47 lifted from the warehouse gangs, with a Strike body kit and a warrior without brains. They say the leadership and the small is the biggest new brand in Ukraine. Take a photo in the anti-terrorist operation zone and receive the record the participant of military operations. Probably the guy from this cohort is inflexible.
                      21. 0
                        11 July 2014 15: 56
                        On the AK-47 this one is similar to the Schmeiser. This is not the AK-47, neither in caliber, nor in the cut of the barrel, nor in the stock, nor in the forearm. In general, this is something design, and the AK-47 is simpler and more serious. And where does this bayonet-knife fit?
                      22. 0
                        11 July 2014 15: 56
                        On the AK-47 this one is similar to the Schmeiser. This is not the AK-47, neither in caliber, nor in the cut of the barrel, nor in the stock, nor in the forearm. In general, this is something design, and the AK-47 is simpler and more serious. And where does this bayonet-knife fit?
                      23. +1
                        10 July 2014 19: 56
                        The Gods of Photoshop have not yet transferred.
                    4. +2
                      9 July 2014 12: 57
                      Quote: baltika-18
                      . Waiting for your conclusions.

                      freshly arrived VIP security
                      zhurnalyugi came with them
                    5. 0
                      9 July 2014 14: 54
                      The muzzle brake is mute in addition to the above.
                    6. +4
                      9 July 2014 16: 08
                      Explicit installation.
                      Entot soldier with airsoft ac imposed on the background of the building.

                      journalism, they are journalism ...
                    7. +9
                      9 July 2014 16: 25
                      Is anything possible in the case?
                      Glamorous combat photos you can keep for yourself!
                      And then a crowd of specialists sits at the keyboard and finds out where the shadow falls and why they are so clean!
                      Who said that the photo was shot in Slavyansk?
                      All this can be removed anywhere. The last few years, you can’t verify anything at all if you haven’t seen it yourself!
                    8. +2
                      9 July 2014 20: 03
                      This is Photoshop 100%
                    9. Russian1974
                      0
                      10 July 2014 15: 23
                      Yes, the inhabitants of the country tore this flag at night, then it was lying around nobody needed good
                    10. Erg
                      0
                      10 July 2014 19: 32
                      The fighter and weapons are clearly "tuned". Cloudy photo
              2. +4
                9 July 2014 09: 58
                Quote: baltika-18
                Claims against journalists, I did not photograph them


                They were most likely placed in all photographs by the journalists, and asked to portray something cool. So they are posing.

                And you generally drive to a chesha in general? What is your goal with the comments on the photos you uploaded?
                1. +1
                  9 July 2014 10: 20
                  Quote: Sunjar
                  And you generally drive to a chesha in general? What is your goal with the comments on the photos you uploaded?
                  What would they think, and not swallow all the rubbish shoved by the media. We wouldn’t throw firewood into the fire of mutual hatred with your comments. There are a lot of thoughts on this subject. To write, it’s not a writer, okay, if at least one out of 10 thinks about it.
                  1. +11
                    9 July 2014 13: 05
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    What would you think

                    to think
                    it is necessary to thought thoughtfully EXPLOIT, and not ersatz squeeze.

                    and then a strange impression of your posts.
                  2. 0
                    10 July 2014 19: 34
                    We must not be clever, but write articles as opposed to Vershinin. The disadvantages are set for you not out of solidarity with Strelkov, but out of your arrogance and arrogance. You see, he alone suspected something was amiss in the war in the Donbass.
              3. Aktion
                0
                9 July 2014 10: 43
                Maybe it's Natsik? Bandages on the hands in the foreground and background.
              4. Aktion
                +2
                9 July 2014 10: 43
                Maybe it's Natsik? Bandages on the hands in the foreground and background.
              5. +14
                9 July 2014 12: 45
                And who are you? NOT A CLOWN !! You’re sitting here arguing .. Look and they can’t fight .. And they’re not holding it, they are not sitting like that, and they are not shooting like that .. And a new weapon touches you !! But at that. that the eagles there were under fire for three months, responding to the desire to seize the strategic fortified area, it is NOTHING !! Maybe you came there, and on the spot you showed them what you know how, and not here to spread the comments? You, as a football fan at the TV, yelling that you don’t have to kick so much, where to pass, but you yourself can’t wave a leg with a foot !!!! there were some graduated from military schools, and boasted of their military literacy, but after a certain short time, they faded !! In real battles, this is not on parade ground and training grounds ..)) There it is really either necessary to die, or to survive defeating the enemy than you have to, and what is at hand, without regard to the rear)))
                1. +23
                  9 July 2014 13: 13
                  Well, when I was serving, a correspondent of "Krasnaya Zvezda" somehow came to the army, that was the name of the newspaper, well, they had their own engines, but we had exercises, so this photo correspondent did not take pictures as it is, but staged shots were made - a prettier soldier (damn, I could have got in, but the political commander considered me non-photogenic laughing ) Yes, the machine is cleaner, so quickly run away, change your dirty PS (it was late autumn)! Scrashina, give him out faster!
                  Why should I be surprised at the production footage? Photocorr wants to give a picture, that's all.
                  Regarding Strelkov's breakthrough - after all, they reported that they broke through at night, and here they sit on buses during the day. And in general, I see this photo for the first time, although I have read the material about this breakthrough immeasurably (except for liberoid ones, I don’t go there), there was no such photo. Well, even if we assume - my experience of communicating with the media suggests: "here we are inserting this news! But there is not enough picture for it! Damn, find a picture, at least something similar! No, well, they sit down imposingly on buses, what a breakthrough? , people grabs it, let it out! " And this is not out of malice, but simply - well, a lack of professionalism, or something ... Like that. Lack of respect for the reader. But this is hardly a special disinformation.
                  And yet - this is an info war. Nkito will not give you objective information. For example, I do not need to consider such details - the news itself is more important that Slavyansk is abandoned, further opinions differ - for good or for bad. And here you have to choose - to rejoice or upset. The collimator sight in this regard, for example, gives me nothing. Well a clown, so what?
                  1. +6
                    9 July 2014 14: 01
                    "Here we are inserting this news! But there is not enough picture for it! Damn, find a picture, at least something similar! No, well, here they sit down imposingly on buses, what a breakthrough? Okay, people are eating it, let's let it out!"


                    I remember watching local city TV. A selection of crime news. They say they tied the cops to a gang of house-makers. There is a video sequence: riot police and people in civilian clothes dragging someone in a paddy wagon. Father laughs: this is a record of how they, and not any cops, took drug carriers, and not yesterday, but two years ago. I look - for sure, one of the detained father's colleague drags into the paddy wagon. Exactly, people pick up.
                  2. 0
                    9 July 2014 14: 15
                    Quote: aksakal
                    we had teachings
                    It’s kind of like a war here.

                    Quote: aksakal
                    For example, I don’t need to consider such details - the news itself is more important,
                    Yeah ..... If the news is diametrically opposed? Who to believe? And if in support they upload a video on which there is not a damn thing except the name. Or similar photos.
                    Quote: aksakal
                    . The collimator sight in this regard, for example, gives me nothing. Well a clown, so what?
                    Well, actually a clown with such weapons took Slavyansk. But, damn it, if he shot at least once from him. And if he did, it was only in vain that he burned cartridges.
                2. +3
                  9 July 2014 15: 04
                  Quote: Ural
                  And who are you? NOT A CLOWN !! Sitting here reasoning
                  I am a professional in my business. And if I see a deliberate bullshit, then why should I silently swallow it with shouts of "hurray"?
              6. +4
                9 July 2014 13: 12
                Quote: baltika-18
                Sorry guys, but I’m out of that machine gunner in the background from 300 meters from an ordinary Kalash without any optics. I’ll dump him from the first stage, not to mention the seated one.

                I’d take it, but let it fail ...
                1. +2
                  9 July 2014 14: 20
                  Quote: Russ69
                  I’d take it, but let it fail ...
                  This standard exercise was actually in the PV of the KGB of the USSR.
                  Well, if you were asking why you criticize the pier, you would go. Then I’ll answer. I’m not going to, and I don’t advise you. One way road. Such performances just don't suit you like that. hi
                  1. 0
                    9 July 2014 15: 17
                    Your standard exercise comes from the range of a direct shot 365 m!
                    1. 0
                      9 July 2014 15: 31
                      Quote: VadimSt
                      Your standard exercise comes from the range of a direct shot 365 m!
                      Do you think the Soviet Army only trained lawn dyers? And in the current Russian super-soldier?
                    2. 0
                      10 July 2014 10: 27
                      If my memory serves me the standard exercise "Machine gun nest" on the equipped training ground (Primorsky Krai) was at a distance of 250 m.
              7. +10
                9 July 2014 13: 45
                They pose, depict cool warriors.


                Yeprst. Yes, he has a whole photo shoot. Note the journalist all the time next to him. All photos are from different resources. But the clown with the grenade launcher is the same, naturally the photographer.


                Yes, please. They are clean in the dirty trenches. They always issue clean camouflage upon the arrival of journalists.


                This is elementary, Watsons !! This is the photo shoot. I think it’s easier for both militias and photo cameras at the time of a lull in a safe area to take photos in steep angles, to shoot the same training shot towards the wasteland. And then when the correspondents in real conditions are removed from under the bush, it turns out some kind of flickering and you can’t see a squirrel. Many ordinary people will not understand anything, which means that there is no effect from the report. And so the camera angles and poses are in the best traditions of film militants and the result is corresponding. This is more important than it seems, think about who at first glance evokes sympathy, the American-born lackey of a kind and criminal ghetto, but in a brand new camouflage of a beautiful color, and in equipment that gives the whole figure aggressiveness or our soldier, a real hero, but in a baggy faded x / b and worn pouches on the belt. These are the rules of propaganda. Yes, and dangerous for correspondents. When a fighter dies - well, this is a war, and the dead guys with RTR would be better to be a little cowardly, but returned home to their families.
              8. +2
                9 July 2014 15: 49
                The plot with the machine gunner is just some kind of masterpiece of photographic blunders on a military theme. laughing
                1. DMB-88
                  -1
                  10 July 2014 01: 24
                  military photo cameras were transferred
              9. -1
                9 July 2014 17: 25
                yes you are heroy.y with one pitchfork all this atom will disperse.
              10. Anat1974
                0
                9 July 2014 20: 55
                And such a photo shaft.
              11. +2
                9 July 2014 23: 57
                Quote: baltika-18
                Sorry guys, but I’m out of that machine gunner in the background from 300 meters from an ordinary Kalash without any optics. I’ll dump him from the first stage, not to mention the seated one.

                They posed for the press and go to the front, the essence of your claims is not clear?
              12. +1
                10 July 2014 20: 39
                Quote: baltika-18
                Claims against journalists
                Sorry, but not in the foreground "Topaz" an hour? From this video.
                By the way, they are minus baltika-18 absolutely in vain, after all, it was not he who took the pictures, and indeed I got the impression that these are working shots from a new "patriotic" film Film studios them. Dovzhenko with type name: << Zvilnennya of Ukraine from Russian occupations >> , or something like that. And the photos are clearly staged. IMHO. With respect.
              13. Tank48
                0
                11 July 2014 04: 35
                here they are felled in batches)
              14. edisson
                0
                11 July 2014 14: 36
                I thought about the future.
            2. +2
              9 July 2014 12: 48
              Yes, they just said that they are tourists and grandmothers are going to visit :)
          4. +10
            9 July 2014 09: 19
            Because the check is not removed from the fuse and is on the fuse. Though carry, even wear, even sleep with him.
          5. +3
            9 July 2014 09: 52
            I apologize for not writing the topic: where are * Gazelles * riveting? In Ukraine?
            1. +4
              9 July 2014 10: 46
              Quote: Igor Pushkino
              I apologize for not writing the topic: where are * Gazelles * riveting? In Ukraine?

              "Minibus" "Ruta", a hybrid "Valday" with no one knows what. Produced before the war in various modifications, in the Hours of the Yarsky car repair plant, Donetsk region.
            2. +3
              9 July 2014 12: 12
              * Gazelles * - riveting? In Ukraine?


              Yes, this is "Bogdan" pride of the Khokhlyatsky car industry)) In other words, the same coffin as our gazelle.
              1. Aled
                0
                9 July 2014 14: 24
                Here I do not agree. "Bogdan" is much more comfortable than "Gazelle".
              2. 0
                9 July 2014 14: 32
                Quote: Deniska
                Yes, this is "Bogdan" pride of the Khokhlyatsky car industry

                RUTA
          6. 0
            9 July 2014 17: 22
            But are you sure that there will be no ambush? Is there any certainty that it will not stop making fire contact? I repeat: everyone thinks he is a strategist .......
          7. Matroskin 18
            0
            10 July 2014 12: 30
            And the clown shot a horseradish shot at an RPG during loading, because in a closed minibus it will go, and if it accidentally hooks during loading. Kabzdets himself together with his comrades.

            The fuse shot to the RPG cocked during the shot, before firing it even with a hammer pound ...
          8. +1
            10 July 2014 22: 47
            Not a damn thing. He is put on a combat platoon after ten meters of flight and some shots after twenty.
        2. +8
          9 July 2014 10: 03
          Quote: baltika-18
          And the guys left Slavyansk in comfort.

          This is not Slavyansk, but Donetsk. And "minibuses" are used to transfer units in the city and between cities. "Armor" is not enough ...
          1. 0
            9 July 2014 10: 53
            Quote: Corsair
            This is not Slavyansk, but Donetsk.
            Who argues. They sent transport from Donetsk for the guys. It’s possible to interpret it like that. The whole point is that the kozla-newspaper people will write, and how it’s picking people up. For an example. Lawbreakers in the battles for Mariupol.
            1. -2
              9 July 2014 10: 56
              Almost the same photo. But Red Liman. So where are they really.
              1. +1
                9 July 2014 11: 36
                Quote: baltika-18
                Almost the same photo. But Red Liman. So where are they really.

                I would sayWHERE... But the word is indecent.
                1. +2
                  9 July 2014 12: 57
                  Quote: Corsair
                  I would say WHERE ... But the word is indecent.
                  I understand you. But the information always hits the most vulnerable place in a person, in his brain. From the physical impact of the skull protects, but from such a ......
                  1. +4
                    9 July 2014 16: 32
                    In any conflict, in recent years, for sure, you can find such "fakes" the whole point is that journalists need a picture, and few people want to climb into the heat ... hence the Syrian tanks in Donbass, and mummers with airball guns, and grenade launchers with training blanks ... Freedom of the media, whatever I want to turn. But this does not mean that in New Russia, as you put it, they staged a performance ... Therefore, of course, draw conclusions, but you should not impose your point of view
                  2. -3
                    10 July 2014 03: 58
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    I understand you. But the information always hits the most vulnerable place in a person, in his brain. From the physical impact of the skull protects, but from such a ......

                    Bruised your brain? Sorry
        3. GDP
          +6
          9 July 2014 12: 43
          And the guys left Slavyansk in comfort.

          Not with such comfort, many people died, several units of equipment were burned, of which there are so few ...
          Although of course the losses could be much greater, given the balance of power ...


          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hOez-XTd5WY
          1. yarvol
            -1
            10 July 2014 12: 39
            More precisely, they lost all the armor. Of the 18 tanks, not one did not reach.
          2. Khokhol-MSC
            0
            10 July 2014 16: 22
            Several pieces of equipment burned foolishly. This representative Strelkova spoke at a conference. Like, the guys got carried away, scored on the order and drove to the Ukrainian. position. Two tanks were laid there. There were no more losses.
        4. 0
          10 July 2014 14: 19
          and you would like to. so that they move in plastunsky, but at the speed of a bus?
        5. lelik613
          0
          11 July 2014 00: 28
          In fact, Slavyansk, this is a school of commanders. I think so
        6. 0
          11 July 2014 01: 15
          Quote: baltika-18
          Quote: 311ove
          There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.
          What was ordered, then grinds. And the guys left Slavyansk in comfort.

          Well, you write nonsense, I'm sorry! They gathered very abruptly and left already in the dark, and you have a clear day in the photo! So I don’t know where these photos came from, but obviously not from Slavyansk on 05 of July! And the main part of his brigade left with his feet, at night, because for the 2000 militia + the wounded and a small aboze of activists then the convoy must be wow! And from where in the besieged Slavyansk there were so many cars, and even the arsenal should have been taken out with you! So, you wrote a bird. hi
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      3. +8
        9 July 2014 08: 49
        Well what can you say about the article? The rotten (and in the battalions of Lyashko "also the" leaky ") army of the fascists is rotten end. For a long time it will rot like dust, but it will rot only by strengthening the young strong beautiful tree of the army of Novorossiya with its humus.
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      4. +3
        9 July 2014 09: 59
        Quote: 311ove
        (and the desired word in I. moderated in a quote ...)


        What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull ...
      5. georg737577
        -19
        9 July 2014 13: 08
        The corridor and the possibility of withdrawal were deliberately given to Girkin. Instead of spending several years later on "re-educating" the population in Lugansk and Donetsk, it was decided to let them live a month or two under the rule of the separatists. Wise up quickly. When the Ukrainian army comes, they will kiss its feet.
        1. +5
          9 July 2014 13: 14
          Quote: georg737577
          When the Ukrainian army will come

          and do the same as with Slavic?

          nah

          it’s hard to be wooden to the waist
          1. +2
            9 July 2014 13: 22
            And then reinforced concrete
        2. xan
          +2
          9 July 2014 14: 19
          Quote: georg737577
          The corridor and the possibility of retreat were given to Girkin consciously.

          Clowns like you can explain anything. They clarified that the euromaidan was muddied by Putin's agents in order to tear off the Crimea.
          Quote: georg737577
          it was decided to let them live a month or two under the rule of the separatists

          Congratulations to the Ball, you donkey! Ukraine does not have time, and if the Donbass survives it will live better, do not go to the grandmother. In Russia, the fucking people are ready to powerful shake for the sake of the Donbass. But shaking is not necessary, it is necessary to give work.
          Quote: georg737577
          When the Ukrainian army arrives, they will kiss her legs.

          You do not pull your dill mentality into Russian, club, and learn the real story. Funny you, Ukrainians, are definitely not relatives. Donbass will live in the same country with Ukraine, if it takes Kiev, and even that is not a fact.
          1. Aled
            -2
            9 July 2014 14: 32
            And you, for a change, teach economics. I still don't understand why Donbass was going to "live better". I have been there and have an idea of ​​its economic potential. Or again, "Save and feed Russia"?
            1. -3
              9 July 2014 15: 03
              Quote: Aled
              due to what Donbass was going to "live better

              They will simply subsidize, like other regions of Russia
            2. +11
              10 July 2014 04: 14
              We have long been aware that the Donbass is a subsidized region and Lviv Oblast dates it :) Akhmetov also contains all unprofitable enterprises from philanthropy, and Kolomoisky wants to squeeze out the same feelings and pay for everything :)
              1. Khokhol-MSC
                0
                10 July 2014 16: 25
                For the Russian Federation, Donbass is a subsidized region. There is a coal industry at a lower cost.
        3. +1
          9 July 2014 16: 36
          don't kiss - tear off ...
        4. +2
          10 July 2014 04: 28
          So go ahead. The Az Battalion is waiting for you :). After all, do you dream that you would kiss your feet? :)
          Have you completely got over there? Do you write to Russians about Russians that they will be glad to Bandera?
          1. 0
            11 July 2014 23: 04
            They will also carry it on their hands, though forward with their feet, and not far - to the nearest ditch! fool
        5. yarvol
          +1
          10 July 2014 12: 43
          In vain minus. In Slavyansk they already kiss and scold for the fact that they were released for a long time.
          1. xan
            +1
            10 July 2014 15: 17
            Quote: yarvol
            In vain minus. In Slavyansk they already kiss and scold for the fact that they were released for a long time.

            If your National Guard enters Beijing, I have no doubt that there will also be a pair of stoned Chinese with similar creative views.
        6. ostap
          0
          12 July 2014 01: 12
          kiss ... to death
    2. +17
      9 July 2014 07: 55
      "Ours" he calls the battalions of the National Guard as well. How adequate is it? But at least he treats the enemy with respect. This is yes.
      1. +3
        9 July 2014 08: 08
        Quote: Hariva
        "Ours" he calls the battalions of the National Guard as well.

        What should he call them? in war, everything is simple if you shoot at me you are the enemy, if you shoot towards the enemy then you are "our". Very rarely there are three sides in a war. For example, only Islamists in Syria or Afghanistan come to mind.
        1. +4
          9 July 2014 08: 33
          Quote: Canep
          Quote: Hariva
          "Ours" he calls the battalions of the National Guard as well.

          What should he call them? in war, everything is simple if you shoot at me you are the enemy, if you shoot towards the enemy then you are "our". Very rarely there are three sides in a war. For example, only Islamists in Syria or Afghanistan come to mind.

          As we can see from the article, he does not take direct part in the pseudo ATO and is even glad of this fact. In this case, the much-binding "ours" could be replaced by neutral "government armed formations" or "Ukrainian security forces."
        2. +2
          9 July 2014 08: 58
          Quote: Canep
          Very rarely in war 3 parties.

          The civil war after the revolution, all the same Ukraine. wink
        3. +1
          9 July 2014 10: 54
          Remember: A third party is always to blame for any conflict.
        4. +1
          10 July 2014 10: 46
          There are 3 sides that do not shoot, and the damage does no less. These are those who, after the entry of the National Guard in the captured n.p. denunciations are written on those who helped the militia, on sympathizers and just out of revenge. Alas, in Ukraine there have always been many. Earlier on the forum was infa ...
      2. +1
        9 July 2014 08: 17
        Respectfully, he speaks because they get regularly snotty, because the army of New Russia has compelled to respect and fear themselves. But the fact that about his so not flattering speaks minus only to him.
        1. s1н7т
          +2
          9 July 2014 10: 16
          Quote: antikilller55
          But the fact that about his so not flattering speaks minus only to him.

          Why is it flattering / not flattering? The military man speaks, like, objectively. One "but" - he assesses their actions, but I see no condemnation for participating in the murder of people. That is, it is also strangely "adequate".
      3. +6
        9 July 2014 08: 39
        Quote: Hariva
        Our "he calls the battalions of the National Guard including. How adequate is it? But at least he treats the enemy with respect. This is true.

        If the leadership of Ukrmia was adequate and decisive, then the ATO would be carried out in Kiev and take a couple of days, everything would end in March-April ..
    3. +4
      9 July 2014 07: 59
      Would be adequate, switched to the side of the militia
      1. +7
        9 July 2014 08: 11
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Would be adequate, switched to the side of the militia

        And would set up his family, relatives and friends. Not always so simple. In addition, he most likely, like many others, had a brain dislocation due to Russophobia. You read the comments on Ukrainian sites, and it seems that the Russians do not wash and thump forever, live in poverty, etc. If he weren’t Russian, he could and would have believed.
        1. +6
          9 July 2014 08: 32
          And not only . After all, many of them served in the SA. and they have hatred of Russia. someone was not given promotion, epaulettes, position. These remained in the Ukrainian army. Everything is in it, and the family and everything else is just that. The main insult and your house, apartment, car, etc. And Ukrainians drank and thumped and no less than Russians thumped. That Ukrainians stole in due time in the army how. Yes, and they loved the command posts. Everything about it. And now they don’t care who they kill. Pay salary, and good.
          1. +7
            9 July 2014 10: 26
            That's for sure. He was in the medical service of one of the units of the Ministry of Defense of the Air Defense Ministry, Nachmed from Khokhlov. He couldn’t know anything, and didn’t understand, But at the Beginning Army medical services constantly requested a higher position. He tells him how to appoint you ?, you know nothing. Answer: So what? I want to be the CHIEF!
          2. +2
            9 July 2014 12: 19
            someone was not given promotion, epaulettes, position.
            I dare to suggest, but in my opinion, this is the usual envy.
            hi
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          4. +7
            9 July 2014 12: 20
            I remember during my urgent service in the ranks of the SA, there was a proverb: -H.O.H.O.L. without a string, that P. .. YES without a plug! laughing
            1. yarvol
              0
              10 July 2014 12: 45
              In the USSR Armed Forces, 60-70% of Ukrainians were in command posts, and 80% in the General Staff.
        2. xan
          +3
          9 July 2014 13: 22
          Quote: Canep
          You read the comments on Ukrainian sites, and it seems that the Russians do not wash and thump forever, live in poverty, etc. If he weren’t Russian, he could and would have believed.

          Russophobia is a mental disorder caused by false propaganda (Bogdan Stupka).
          1. yarvol
            0
            10 July 2014 12: 49
            Where do you live?
      2. 0
        9 July 2014 08: 40
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Would be adequate, switched to the side of the militia

        And the family, the children, what will they do then?
      3. +1
        9 July 2014 09: 00
        Not so simple in this world. The main thing is that he does not kill and does not give orders to kill.
      4. Armin
        +1
        9 July 2014 10: 01
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Would be adequate, switched to the side of the militia

        For such, adequacy means that we must choose the side where they pay more. On the side of the militias are not paid.
    4. +12
      9 July 2014 08: 05
      Quote: Kirzhak
      There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.

      And how adequate is it in your opinion? He, just like the junta, wants to take Donetsk. He alone thinks more decisively or speaks, if you like, without bravado about victories. The essence is the same as the others.
      Or you saw that he smashed his idiots and "praised" Strelkov and decided that he was adequate. If so, God forbid, he will be appointed commander of the group, then he will show all his "adequacy" in action.
      There was one person. with Napoleon, was loyal to everyone and betrayed everyone at the right time.
      1. +2
        9 July 2014 08: 37
        Good interview. Not a biased opinion of a sensible military man, although from a hostile camp.
      2. +4
        9 July 2014 09: 08
        There are plenty of decisive people like him. The Americans give them orders. While in the states they think, while they decide the picture is changing. And for this, they will lose.
    5. khromin111
      +6
      9 July 2014 09: 39
      the article is fake ... although it’s nice to read.
    6. -2
      9 July 2014 09: 46
      Yes, it is a pity that he is not on our side!
      1. +2
        9 July 2014 13: 22
        Quote: kartalovkolya
        Yes, it is a pity that he is not on our side!

        we prostitutes do not need

        enough of their
    7. +5
      9 July 2014 09: 57
      Quote: Kirzhak
      There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.


      Quote: from article
      Posted by Ukrainian military with one big star. Considered one of the most capable in the Sun Ruins. In general, loyal to any government, but shocked by what is happening. I am not involved in the punitive operation, and I am very happy about it.


      The statement of a "military man with one big star" about "non-involvement" is doubtful ...
      Since he is a military serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then in any case, he is involved in what is happening. Even if he is a "logistician", a supply officer, or someone else from the "not involved" ...
      Anyway, smeared in this shit. And a drop of blood on his uniform IS ...
    8. portoc65
      +3
      9 July 2014 10: 15
      Quote: Kirzhak
      There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.

      This is an adequate assessment of the inadequate officer. For me, everyone who is for the junta is inadequate
    9. +1
      9 July 2014 10: 15
      The analysis, of course, is not bad, but all this has already been said earlier by other analysts. But the main point of the article is that in the leadership of the ATO .
    10. 0
      9 July 2014 11: 09
      Well, they understood everything there, although I think everything was understood there, now the time has begun to countdown for the junta, now it turns out that the DPR forces are everything and the tanks and guns that remain of the Ukrainian Armed Forces that are on the territory of the DPR lay down their arms or they are forced to to do so, everything is clear with the weapon, plus such a number of battle-hardened soldiers is a very invaluable help, plus strong motivation. Yes, and understanding with whom they are fighting. And for what they are fighting.
    11. +3
      9 July 2014 12: 12
      Donetsk is not a small Slavyansk. If our Napoleons weren’t such cowardly idiots, one could have taken him long ago with powerful cutting blows. This could be done even today, tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow it’s too late. But until tomorrow they will not have time. Because .


      THOSE. millionaire allocated in the city - is it adequate? What's wrong?
    12. +1
      9 July 2014 13: 26
      Quote: Kirzhak
      There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.

      If these adequate info were also shared with anyone, then generally they would not have a price ...
    13. -1
      10 July 2014 12: 07
      Great analysis! what
    14. 0
      10 July 2014 16: 41
      Quote: Kirzhak
      There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.

      Adequate, but with rottenness. Well, I’d compare Strelkov with the generals of the Second World War, otherwise he would compare him with brokers, swindlers ....... he would become a millionaire. It’s not a fact that every strategist is a gambler. fool Therefore, these ukrostrategami with agility plundered the army. fool
    15. +1
      10 July 2014 18: 47
      Quote: Kirzhak
      There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.

      What's in this Fake good article? Some CHAMO, writes garbage, is there really at least one person who believes that what is written in the article is true. Yes, never, not a single Ukrainian officer will say such a thing! There, if there are active military men with "a big star" among the acting officers, so they choose a specific side anyway, which, I think, is unnecessary to say. My opinion: the article is a fake, designed for "hamsters". IMHO. With respect.
    16. Roman070280
      0
      11 July 2014 10: 52
      It is considered one of the most capable in the Sun Ruins. In general, loyal to any authority


      And with all this - not in demand .. the junta is not needed .. However ..
  2. +11
    9 July 2014 07: 40
    Tactically Igor Ivanovich is absolutely right!
    People in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk who fell under the purges and the "skating rink" of the "junta" are sorry to tears, but this is war ...

    Victory will be for New Russia good
    1. +20
      9 July 2014 07: 51
      The junta's "skating rink" will mainly include men of draft age. Most of them are those who wanted to sit out, khataskrayniks. In a war, "a house on the edge - I don't know anything" does not work. You have to take the side.

      Many people still think like this: "Well, ukrovoy will come, and sho. I didn’t fight, I’m a pacifist, am I for sho?"

      It is a pity for children, especially children, the elderly, women. Bandera people are good at fighting with them.
      But just imagine how angry they would have entered Slavyansk, if they had stormed him for two weeks, lost a bunch of Svidomo? On whom would they then recoup with particular fury?

      And now - the glow is not the same. Repression will be less, but they will be.
      And the fact that Strelkov saved many hundreds, if not thousands, of lives by leaving is indisputable for me.
    2. +1
      9 July 2014 09: 14
      Surely and Strelkov prompted Where, What and When. Not only Americans have satellites.
    3. 0
      10 July 2014 20: 48
      Quote: Black and White
      Tactically Igor Ivanovich is absolutely right!
      People in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk who fell under the purges and the "skating rink" of the "junta" are sorry to tears, but this is war ...

      Victory will be for New Russia

      Wars are fought to protect the civilian population, including from the "purges of the junta", so that the shooters in this particular situation (purges) wrong absolutely, for he knew what would happen after his departure. With respect.
  3. +1
    9 July 2014 07: 45
    Poroshenko will have to negotiate with Donetsk ... already lost ...
    1. 0
      9 July 2014 09: 21
      Quote: vsoltan
      Poroshenko will have to negotiate with Donetsk ... already lost ...

      Who will speak with him now? Now he doesn’t have to agree, but he needs to ask. Donetsk, even if the entire army of storms will be stormed, they won’t be able to take. All there will be killed there, like the Nazis near Stalingrad.
  4. +5
    9 July 2014 07: 46
    That's okay. Before, you yourself are a woodpecker, since you call these idiocytes "ours." Do you think you did not participate, everything will be written off? Smart guy, or take off the junta's shoulder straps, as an honest person, or go over to the side of the DPR!
  5. +1
    9 July 2014 07: 46
    On the one hand, everything is written correctly, and on the other, the enemy praises! Is everything correctly done?
    1. 0
      9 July 2014 07: 54
      This is not the enemy writes, but, as it were, an outside observer. Perhaps a retired military man.
      1. +3
        9 July 2014 08: 56
        namely, some garbage, but where about the number of junta troops at least a hint? What analyzes can be done without knowing without indicating at least the presumed balance of forces and means? If, as Strelkov writes, the 10: 1 ratio is overwhelming in technology and artillery, + control of this technique by mercenaries, then leaving Slavyansk and retaining several hundred even good fighters does not play any role.
        Especially in the political confusion of the DPR and LPR, it is naive to think that someone there will give Strelkov command when they did not give it before.
        If, again, as "tovarisch with a star" says Strelkov's forces are HALF of the forces of the militia, then with the resulting ratio of 5: 1 in favor of the junta and the shelling of Donetsk with artillery (i.e., almost direct fire) - I don't know what kind of destructive mood_ in the junta camp ?! Something I misunderstood :(
        The most important thing I did not understand - but where is the tank division of the miners ?! :(
  6. +7
    9 July 2014 07: 46
    A balanced and adequate opinion, and the Purginyans showed their true face, it will now be awful how difficult it is for him to wash off.
  7. +10
    9 July 2014 07: 47
    And Donetsk is not a small Slavyansk. If our Napoleons weren’t such cowardly idiots, one could have taken him long ago with powerful cutting blows. This could be done even today, tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow it’s too late. But until tomorrow they will not have time. Because .
    In general, if some political or other incidents do not happen, in a military sense, Donetsk can now last a very long time. And ours can blame themselves. ”


    Yes, this cannot be done either today or tomorrow, or, especially, the day after tomorrow.
    There are no such forces in dill, in the sense of being so motivated.
    And Donetsk, if there is no squabble between the "big bosses" of the DPR, should not "hold out for a long time", but move to active b / d.
    Sorry, but the time for the young fighter’s course has already expired!
    1. +1
      9 July 2014 08: 47
      Yes, he admires the Shooter
      1. +1
        9 July 2014 09: 23
        Quote: Coffee_time
        Yes, he admires the Shooter

        There’s nothing to be done for shooters, but what can he do with his people - against the fascist army (the army of the former Ukraine + mercenaries + including western modern weapons in the form of drones and so on), resources and reserves of the former Ukraine (people, forces, funds - including at military bases), and most importantly - heaps of green papers? :(
        After all, the economy ultimately wins. Remember VV2, Germany + Europe, it was difficult to compete with the USSR, and when the entire economic incomparable power of the USA entered the war against the Axis, it was completely frivolous to hope for something.
        Here it is not even against Donetsk and Lugansk, with the economy and the mobilization of resources it is impossible to understand what, but in fact against one Strelkov - the whole West. And you say - "Russia helps behind the scenes with volunteers and money" :( Che laugh to compare :(
  8. +12
    9 July 2014 07: 48
    The main plus, saved fired fighters and commanders! A military council of defense of the republics was created, uniting all militia commanders, signs of unity of command appeared, and the supply of troops was improved. And Donetsk is 15 Slavyansk, both territorially and by population. such a bulk of dill can not be digested, choke. And many thanks to Igor Ivanovich for saving the army for New Russia.
  9. +2
    9 July 2014 07: 48
    I painted everything correctly!
  10. +2
    9 July 2014 07: 48
    After all, there are literate people in Ukraine, it’s a pity that they don’t solve anything. Well, at least on the side of the junta is not fighting.
    1. +3
      9 July 2014 07: 58
      Quote: KOSMOS59
      Well, at least on the side of the junta is not fighting.

      Well, apparently, that’s why he’s not fighting that he’s literate.
  11. +3
    9 July 2014 07: 53
    Strelkov has a future and a glorious past, and no one will remember the Kurghins in a year.
  12. 0
    9 July 2014 07: 53
    Because go.
    That says it all...
  13. +4
    9 July 2014 07: 53
    The GSU dill understands the whole disastrous result of the junta in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, but the competent PR managers and their coordinators in the ukop mass media presented it and present it as a clean cut .... For the townspeople ukropovskih this is a common thing, because big the mass of them are zombies.
    To be honest, I don’t remember from the events that I remember from video cuts from Chechnya for Russian troops to slaughter Chechen fighters there, like dill to slaughter militias. Now this is a group of seasoned people who will continue to study and already teach new recruits.
  14. +4
    9 July 2014 07: 57
    Kurginyan carries a frank x ... yu.

    Something this time missed Kurginyan. From regular patriots to idiots!
    1. 0
      9 July 2014 09: 01
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Something this time missed Kurginyan.

      Apparently, the essence went to the gun ...
      1. Khokhol-MSC
        0
        10 July 2014 16: 29
        Or, on the contrary, he illuminated what was planned to be hidden. Howl is the US propagandists throughout the Runet. I thought I would profit from competent analytics here at least ... and the result is LJ commentators: "the point is out" ... bravo!
        In-depth analysis worthy of this site
  15. +3
    9 July 2014 08: 04
    The operation performed, in Slavyansk and surrounding towns and villages, really shows the level of the Militia Command under the leadership of Strelkov. This is a brilliant operation, for such operations used to be presented with high awards and ranks !!
  16. +2
    9 July 2014 08: 08
    Actually, maybe history will show that Slavyansk turned out to be the Brest Fortress that detained the enemy. Time in war is very expensive. Well done. Everybody wants to lie with bones, in words, but in reality ????? Good luck to them.
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 30
      Or should have delayed. Time will tell
  17. +1
    9 July 2014 08: 08
    Here is the linkhttp: //politikus.ru/events/23831-aleksandr-dugin-kto-poslal-kruginyana.html
    there is a photo of Kurginyan "and I said something wrong"
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 35
      Bose-Bose ... young man, you are behind the mainstream. Your article is no longer in cash, because it is out of date.

      Yes Yes. The link "Khodakovsky - Kurginyan - Surkov - Akhmetov" is hopelessly worn out.
      This season: "Strelkov - Borodai (interview from the 16th, where he says that Surkov supervises him) - Surkov - Akhmetov".

      You are not fashionable)))
  18. skurchaev
    +1
    9 July 2014 08: 23
    Who is Kurginyan? None. Or just the sixth column. And the Nazis will soon come Karachun.
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 36
      Based on whose opinion, you - no one, run into Kurginyan?

      By the way, about the fascists and Karachun. Are you talking about Strelkov's friends from "satellite and pogrom"? Are you going to drain your shooters? Yah ... )))
  19. -1
    9 July 2014 08: 25
    Well said ... Frankly, cynically and not biased ... Given all the factors of wartime and banal luck ...
  20. DPZ
    0
    9 July 2014 08: 26
    it’s good that there are reasonable people in the enemy’s camp, and even better that they do not participate in hostilities. God forbid Ukraine more fools, it is more profitable for us!
  21. +2
    9 July 2014 08: 26
    Of course, I apologize for the comparison, but just inspired. This exit from the encirclement reminds me very much of the incidents in the Chechen war, especially the first one when they shouted on TV to us all around that the militants were surrounded and blocked (even Yeltsin personally once said such things), but they still escaped ours unharmed for the most part
  22. 0
    9 July 2014 08: 31
    If Strelkov manages to put things in order in the Donetsk militia, then the punishers will get a good splash. In Donetsk, there are more people and technology. But it will be difficult to do it. Many "commanders" have already appeared there. Good luck with that.
  23. sasa
    -8
    9 July 2014 08: 34
    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    Would be adequate, switched to the side of the militia

    Therefore, it is adequate, more "militia" -that-nema! Bandits and marauders are not on their territory. Which side? ErEf? With whom, and for what idea? You rant, and two brothers fight! And because of what? What do we divide that? For what such sins can you kill? ...
  24. +2
    9 July 2014 08: 38
    This old prostitute, the Kurghinians, for a long time hid behind patriotism and sympathy for New Russia! It can be seen, nevertheless, he received a team of faces! Please note how he is not secretly trying to arouse recognition, albeit insignificant, but still about the fact that the militias receive weapons from Russia. Real scum.
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 39
      This old grandfather Kurginyan of the Russian Federation saved more than once. And it’s not for you, young puppy, to judge who the prostitute fulfilling the order is here
  25. Tumbler
    -1
    9 July 2014 08: 40
    Your opinion, the point of the Ukrainian leaders is greatly compressed? Or do they care?
  26. 0
    9 July 2014 08: 49
    Yes, Donetsk standing will not be Slavic at all ... It’s even interesting how Strelkov will surprise us. I won’t even try to guess. But it is already clear that all specialists will go to him.
  27. +1
    9 July 2014 09: 00
    We cannot judge the adequacy of the opinion of this "officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with one big star", since we can only guess about the state of affairs in Novorossiya. Another thing is that you always want to believe in what you hope for. But illusions are harmful. How many illusions have arisen after the Crimean referendum? And now what to do with it? "They don't change horses at the crossing." We hope for Putin. We hope for the intelligence and courage of the defenders of Novorossiya. We will help in any way we can ... Truth will prevail! At the price ...
  28. +1
    9 July 2014 09: 11
    As there is in the proverb about the ground squirrel and the field, the ukro-general knows better from the outside, but would try to command, would be sent to attack under machine guns, who will go and for what, in fact, a strategist divan was found, ours is with him.
  29. 3vs
    +1
    9 July 2014 09: 12
    So this strategist would head the campaign to Kiev, he sees what’s going on.
    It's time to remove sick people from power.
  30. +2
    9 July 2014 09: 22
    09.07.2014. The chief of staff of the 5th battalion of Prykarpattya punishers Yuri Nikolaevich Baran was destroyed.

    The deputy of the Ivano-Frankivsk regional council Yuriy Romanyuk announced this on his Facebook page: “The sniper hit right in the temple. The officer had no bulletproof vest or helmet / helmet on.
    The division, on the orders of the ATO command, threw an Ambrosievka circle in the Donetsk region on the highway, around a forest belt ("Zelenka"). "
    Last week, the battalion was transferred to implement punitive functions in the New Russia.
    1. s1н7т
      +1
      9 July 2014 10: 28
      Quote: Russ69
      Destroyed the chief of staff of the 5th punitive battalion

      But somewhere it’s even nice to read! drinks
  31. 0
    9 July 2014 09: 38
    Quote: Hariva
    "Ours" he calls the battalions of the National Guard as well. How adequate is it? But at least he treats the enemy with respect. This is yes.

    He uses the word "Our" in the sense of belonging, and the word "" in the sense of relationship. The main thing here is not to confuse.
  32. 0
    9 July 2014 09: 46
    It is a very sound assessment of the events in Slavyansk. Shooters did the right thing. But I would send Kurganyan to Slavyansk now, he has a machine gun, even two, judging by the picture of the interview.
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 42
      Don't say "gop" without knowing the situation. Suppose Kurginyan was the Donetsk People's Republic curator from Moscow. And what? Whom are you going to send? Why were positions left without approval?
  33. Sedoy13
    +2
    9 July 2014 10: 09
    Too correct assessment is given in the article. Another raising Strelkova and lowering Kurginyan. Here answer me: what’s the matter with the person who is hidden before Kurginyan? Yes, they don’t even know who it is. Therefore, the article, in my opinion, is simply sucked out of the finger by one of the couch strategists - a patriot. I do not believe!
  34. -1
    9 July 2014 10: 12
    Clearly, in the case, without snot.
  35. Nina Zima
    0
    9 July 2014 10: 30
    I am of the opinion: if you want to help, take the trunk and go help! criticizing the combat commander, who is the main pillar and brain of the resistance, is stupid and mediocre. cool article. But if someone follows the link to the source, there is a lot of interesting written! and all the couch troops I congratulate on March 8 and hang a wooden order !!!
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 43
      Criticizing mediocre, only if he is a "brain". Or do you think that Kurginyan, in his old age, simply decided to have fun with military tourism? Well, just as a hypothesis?
  36. bda
    bda
    +2
    9 July 2014 10: 49

    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: baltika-18
    A clown shot an RPG shot at horseradish when loading, because in a closed minibus it will go, and if it accidentally hooks when loading. The kabzdets himself together with his comrades

    Because not a professional.


    All professionals are sitting in front of computers and looking at pictures
  37. 0
    9 July 2014 11: 54
    I.I. Strelkov is a strategist who calculates actions three steps forward. Dill has no people who can competently organize the actions of their army. Not for nothing is a constant shuffle in the leadership of the APU.
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 44
      Shooters in the global situation TACTIC. And, as an option, without an external understanding of Moscow’s strategy.
  38. +5
    9 July 2014 11: 55
    the author apparently was not in vain getting his stars on epaulettes, he is doing a good kumeka, it’s a pity that he only carries carrion about him ... soldier
  39. -1
    9 July 2014 12: 08
    You can call it strange, as you like, but nevertheless it’s War ... And Kurginyan is a whistle on the Kremlin teapot, to let the steam go to waste!
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 46
      Listen, well, you should organize something ... for example, like Kurginyan "All-Russian Parental Resistance" of Juvenile Justice.

      And then strategists of couches and critics ... do not worry
  40. ed65b
    0
    9 July 2014 12: 14
    It’s good that they don’t take sensible ones into the Ukrainian army. and if they find it, they’re persecuted, because against the background of sheep it’s impossible to be a genius.
  41. +1
    9 July 2014 13: 14
    09.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. Militia morning report.

    "Late in the evening there were fights near the Dolzhansky border crossing, the militia again fired at the Lugansk airport (tanks + mortars), there were also gunfights in the Panankovka area (near Lugansk) and traditionally in the Rubezhno-Lysychansk area.

    According to Rubezhnoye-Lysychansk - there is information that Ukrainians will launch an offensive in the coming hours - for this purpose poor Seversk was fired from the MLRS all night.

    Also at night there was a fight on the outskirts of Konstantinovka in the direction of Dzerzhinsk (in the area of ​​the rate of "ballast" at Santurynovka).

    Shooting was heard at night in Artyomovsk on the outskirts of the city and near the base of the Donbass battalion.

    In Amvrosiyivka a sniper destroyed the chief of the battalion of punitive "Prikarpatye" from Ivano-Frankivsk.

    The Punishers restored the crossing in Krivoy Luk and began to transfer armored vehicles to Seversk. In addition, according to the militia, from the side of Raisins, Remains through the Red Estuary passed 2 columns of Ukrainian. armored vehicles, and in one of them was about fifty units.

    A large Ukrainian column left Mariupol in the morning. armored vehicles to Donetsk.

    There is information that in Odessa at the railway station Kremidovka 40 cannons are loaded (2 on the railway platform no longer fits) of a large caliber and 2 covered ammunition carriage.
  42. Vitalka
    0
    9 July 2014 13: 34
    And here’s another result of Strelka’s exit from Slavyansk! It was reported on the radio that the shooter announced the recruitment of a contract army of 80000 fighters. Z.p. 20-25 thousand rubles If this is true, then two days later thousands of latecomers will cry at the reception points of the DPR army near the gates (I’ll remind you of only 80000 people).
    1. +2
      9 July 2014 14: 03
      No matter how much you pay, you need to train new recruits for a month,
      least. Shooting - every day, dash, shooting ranges, ranges.
      Or is he going to recruit war veterans
      or former officers? And will the contractors want to risk it
      life under artillery bombardment and regular army bombing?
    2. 0
      9 July 2014 14: 12
      Quote: Vitalka
      And here’s another result of Strelka’s exit from Slavyansk! It was reported on the radio that the shooter announced the recruitment of a contract army of 80000 fighters. Z.p. 20-25 thousand rubles If this is true, then in two days thousands of latecomers will cry at the reception points of the DPR army near the gates (I will remind you of the limit only 80000 people)
      True. Deputy Strelkova, Berezin, announced this on TV.
      They plan to "put a salary" in the equivalent of 700 - 800 USD.
      This is due to guarantee at least some social standards for families of militias.
      1. +3
        9 July 2014 17: 00
        So for reference - on 80000 people this is 64 million dollars a month, where does the finance come from? Santa Claus left under the tree?
  43. +5
    9 July 2014 14: 14
    Do not forget that dill, too, Slavs and know how to fight. The senior command personnel studied almost all at the military schools of the USSR. Do not underestimate the enemy.
  44. Vitalka
    0
    9 July 2014 14: 22
    The captive freaks from baht. Aydar s.p. 3 thousand hryvnia. Many normal men do not go to Strelka corny - Zhinka does not let him in. What feeds her children? And 20 rubles this and many other topics for the poor of Ukraine can outweigh. In addition, for sure these are the 12 billion that they squeezed in the Kremlin when they promised 15 they gave 3, and then they threw Yanukovych off. Money has already been prepared under the article Ukraine. Need to spend. Arrow is a good investment - he is a LEADER! And time will be. Ukroarmia after Slavyanks will be redeployed for another week, will give GOD, 2-3.
  45. s77
    s77
    0
    9 July 2014 14: 30
    Strelkov does the impossible in this situation, you can only bow low to him
  46. +2
    9 July 2014 15: 13
    Military (non-stop) photographs too strongly affect the fragile psyche of ordinary inhabitants. And staged photographs are the execution of an order for those who pay for a specific operation.
  47. 0
    9 July 2014 15: 35
    Quote: Kirzhak
    There were still adequate officers in the Armed Forces.


    It is good that these adequate officers do not take part in hostilities.
  48. Simonov
    0
    9 July 2014 17: 58
    Quote: baltika-18
    The Donetsk militia is also with a pussy. And I can bring such photos with cats like dirt. What the hell are they writing scripts of filming in one place?

    Not all the guys in the war canned food! And so - fresh! gee gee gee

    a question the answer! you, too, do foty fotos not in tricans with elongated knees and in a T-shirt, stained herring
  49. +2
    9 July 2014 18: 22
    Quote: baltika-18
    Quote: Russ69
    I’d take it, but let it fail ...
    This standard exercise was actually in the PV of the KGB of the USSR.
    Well, if you were asking why you criticize the pier, you would go. Then I’ll answer. I’m not going to, and I don’t advise you. One way road. Such performances just don't suit you like that. hi

    So chatter here to breed naaaaa much safer !! keep your advice to yourself !! Nobody asked him for you .. The guys go there voluntarily, and far from newcomers. just past more than one GT, and also understand something about it !! Personally, no one called you to him, therefore, lower the tone of your supposedly specialist by a tone less .. Time itself showed how they armed almost exclusively with small arms could hold their outposts ... and even damage the enemy .. For three months they grew ( only in Kramatorsk, out of 45 fighters in about 400). getting hold of and trophy BMP. And BMPD, and granotometami ...
  50. +2
    9 July 2014 21: 26
    Quote: baltika-18
    And another photo. Null camouflage, sparkling assault rifles. Yes .... And this is after a month and a half of continuous battles. A clown shot an RPG shot at hell when loading, because in a closed minibus it will go, and if it accidentally hooks during loading. Kabzdets himself along with his comrades. A strange war, strange guys.


    And nothing that Strelkov broke through at night, but nothing that your photos were published for the first time on the Internet for a long time on the resource http://www.svaboda.org/? But is there anything annotation to these photographs - do new separatist troops arrive in Donetsk? But nothing that in other photographs clearly shows that one of the buses is a working auto shop? Did you come to us here to tell us something or to prove? What is a shooter a traitor?

    Quote: Corsair
    For your information, Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin, in his "hobby", is none other than a RECONSTRUCTOR


    What do you mean by that??? Nonsense is written about Strelkov, even on Wikipedia, no one really knows anything except that he graduated from Moscow State Archive-Historical University ... They write that he served as an urgent shooter in the 1993-1994 years as a company of the guard of the 190-th missile technical base in Golitsyno military unit 11281 MO air defense, such as then remained under contract as a contract soldier

    I know that in 1992 he was successively the commander of a platoon, company 2 of the Podrinsk light infantry brigade, and then already the chief of staff of the 2-th Mayevitsky brigade of the Republika Srpska ...

    The Serbs let the student historian steer the headquarters of the brigade, as you say to the reenactor ??? I beg you .... Everyone draws info from the Russian human rights activist Alexander Cherkasov, chairman of the board of the Memorial human rights center - the nest of 5 columns.

    In August 1999, we see Strelka together with ... Borod special correspondents of the newspaper "Zavtra" in Dagestan, by the way, the articles are talented. As well as his book "The Bosnian Diary" ... I just need to say what was Strelkov doing there?

    But according to the British "BBC", Strelkov’s place of service is the Office for Combating International Terrorism. And for me, all the adventures of journalist Strelkov do not contradict this ...

    In the 2014 year, Strelkov appeared in Kiev as the head of the security service delivered to Kiev from Greece Athos shrines - Gifts of the Magi. There are photographs of where Strelkov on the Maidan type on excursions .... It seems like a reconnaissance? seem to be...

    Quote: AlexGS
    I won’t be surprised if this turns out to be an airsoft drive at all))) Very similar to the CYMA AK47 in body kit.

    This 7.62 mm AK is produced in Hungary, judging by the butt. There is no plank for the collimator and this clown put it on that pad ....
    1. 0
      10 July 2014 03: 10
      Quote: Santor
      What do you mean by that???

      And then I wanted to say that in the context of the statement
      Quote: baltika-18

      Warriors, damn it, reenactors there, airsoft-masturbators.
      the above categories (excluding the last laughing ) TOTAL can be SOLDIERS, and GOOD SOLDIERS ...

      Strelkov confirmed this by his own example ...
  51. +1
    9 July 2014 21: 28
    Quote: Khagysh
    Surely and Strelkov prompted Where, What and When. Not only Americans have satellites.
    Да, после выхода Стрелков получил доступ к ....Три спутника развернуты как группировка и контролируют в режиме онлайн. Один работает на Крым, один в районе Юго-Востока и третий чуть западнее Киева... Как то так...

    Quote: Efficiency
    You can call it strange, as you like, but nevertheless it’s War ... And Kurginyan is a whistle on the Kremlin teapot, to let the steam go to waste!

    Сомнения меня берут по поводу кремлевского происхождения свистка.. Скорее всего прослеживается связь с некоей пока мутноватой группой, которая желает использовать кризис на Украине для того что бы убрать Путина от власти и по сути дела выйти из под его жесткого контроля. А то что Кургинян свисток я давно понял, и в серьез давно не воспринимаю.. Максималист, грозный вояка, диванный боец, но вместе с тем кто то же ему оказывает финансовую помощь и предоставляет доступ к СМИ.

    Quote: g1v2
    So for reference - on 80000 people this is 64 million dollars a month, where does the finance come from? Santa Claus left under the tree?

    Наверно, тот самый, что подарил отряду Мозгового 4 установки "Тунгуска", 4 установки "МСТА-С", а еще есть Снегурочка, которая подарила Стрелкову станцию "Зоопарк-1М" :))))) А вообще на днях Бородай озвучил, что очень много людей за рубежом начинают оказывать все большую и большую именно финансовую помощь ополчению. При этом многие из них не знают русского, но действуют по принципу - воюя против хунты вы прищемляете хвост ам. ВОт и сегодня венгерский бизнесмен публично пообещал выплатить 150 000 евро тому кто просто застрелит Ляшко (после сегодняшних кадров допроса старика в Славянске)
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 54
      Насчет диванного борца Кургиняна: вам-то аналитегу, откель знать?

      Я так понимаю, болотную 2012 вы тупо проспали в берлоге, нападение и развертывание Ювеналов не читали, ибо дети выросли. Десталинизацией не интересовались, ибо пофигу на историю и моральные составляющие.

      Так только, зомбоящик смотрите, да Эху слушаете.

      А прослеживание ваших связей с группой желающей скинуть Путина ... это такой бред, который говорит, что вы настолько не в теме ... 2011 и 2012 прошли в коматозе и как тогда отличился Кургинян? Или память коротка? Или в мейнстриме память не ценится, главное пукнуть громко, как все?
  52. 0
    9 July 2014 22: 31
    Quote: Nina Zima
    I am of the opinion: if you want to help, take the trunk and go help! criticizing the combat commander, who is the main pillar and brain of the resistance, is stupid and mediocre. cool article. But if someone follows the link to the source, there is a lot of interesting written! and all the couch troops I congratulate on March 8 and hang a wooden order !!!

    Браво Нина, присоединяюсь! Обсуждают все, кроме того, для чего зашли на форум- чьи-то фотосессии; что на что похоже,или не похоже;кто и где, и с какой киской! Такой актуальный разговор, что и вмешиваться неудобно. В общем полный ПЛЮрализм!!!
  53. orb13
    0
    9 July 2014 23: 03
    о Балтике.
    Хм...неприятно,когда человек громко и прилюдно называет себя профи,сыплет терминами,знаниями военного дела и прочими милитаристическими тонкостями,но на вопрос "А почему бы тебе не применить всё это в деле,на пользу русским людям?"-начинает юлить.
    Причём,чем громче и категоричней человек критикует всех участников данной ситуации,тем меньше я ему доверяю.Чисто приём из НЛП : ругай всех подряд,чтобы не заподозрили в троллинге,но выстраивай "развенчивание" определённым вектором- подводи к определённому тобой выводу.
    А это шедевр по поводу нежелания участвовать в чужих закулисных войнах...
    Откровенный цинизм-если в войне есть выйгравший и проигравший,то ясно,что она идёт в чьих-то интересах.И чем масштабней конфликт,тем больше желающих получить бонус.
    Не нравится мне явный троллинг Балтики.
  54. 0
    10 July 2014 08: 47
    Quote: baltika-18
    And another photo. Null camouflage, sparkling assault rifles. Yes .... And this is after a month and a half of continuous battles. request A clown shot an RPG shot at hell when loading, because in a closed minibus it will go, and if it accidentally hooks on loading. Kabzdets himself along with his comrades. A strange war, strange guys.


    Один разок ему об голову автомат перезарядить, и тогда быстро станет настоящим гранатометчиком, можно сказать асом!!!!!!!!!!
  55. 0
    10 July 2014 09: 44
    Храни их Бог,это настоящие русские войны!!!
  56. +1
    10 July 2014 10: 30
    Даст Бог, родится второй сын назову Игорь. Мое искреннее уважение Игорю Ивановичу.
    1. 0
      22 July 2016 15: 32
      Стрелков прости, не Игорь :-(
  57. MSA
    MSA
    0
    10 July 2014 11: 25
    Хоть кто то мыслит адекватно.
  58. 0
    10 July 2014 11: 52
    Присматривался давно я к Кургиняну, всё не нравился он мне.
    В Москве слюной на площади брызгал и за всех, кто был согнан кричал "Фашизм не пройдёт!!!"
    Думал, что ошибся, но и думал о том, почему всё так неискренне реагирует толпа.
    Сейчас этот "боевик" той же слюной брызжет на территории Новороссии...
    ВСЕОБЩЕЕ ЕМУ ПРЕЗРЕНИЕ, как и подковёрному СУРкову, которого терпит ещё Путин!!!
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 58
      Еще один либерал получивший "по соплям" на болотной?

      Бедненький ... дедушка Кургинян вам уродивым плохого не хотел. Он просто Россиюшку от вас дурачков защищал, чтобы вы её в майданчик не превратили.
  59. 0
    10 July 2014 11: 57
    статья интересна в плане стратегического построения ситуации
    на сколько правдоподобна вопрос
    то что пишут на форуме очень мало по делу это точно
    какой смысл разбирать фотографии и изготовятся над ними фейк и фейк и хрен с ним, идет война в том числе и информационная так что чего вы удивляетесь.
    то что славянск был оставлен исключительно вовремя и операция внешне выглядит очень грамотно это факт
    а то что на войне в принципе не может быть белых и пушистых это факт в квадрате, так что ни чего удивительного.
    даже на этом форуме можно увидеть бойцов войны информационной и это тоже факт.
  60. Gexzloy
    +1
    10 July 2014 13: 37
    Засрали Славянск, теперь Донецк кошмарить будут.
    Общался с донецкими, они в шоке от этого ополчения:
    - пользы населению ноль
    - рост цен из-за проблемной доставки грузов
    - разрушается инфраструктура
    - и самое главное ставят под удар мирных

    На вопрос что они тут забыли отвечают мы вас защищаем.
    From whom?
    What for?
    For what?
    Матерятся все, от учителей до бизнесменов.

    Кто и почему решил что донецким людям в своём большинстве это нужно?
    1. +1
      11 July 2014 00: 42
      Проголосовали за независимость и по взмаху волшебной палочки сразу стали Отдельной богатой страной? ага ща только через кровь,пот и слезы можно добиться уважения да и глотки врагам рвать чтоб боялись и не лезли
  61. Password
    +1
    10 July 2014 14: 46
    Quote: Corsair
    For your information, Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin, in his "hobby", is none other than RECONSTRUCTOR Yes ...

    Побольше бы таких РЕКОНСТРУКТОРОВ
  62. Password
    0
    10 July 2014 14: 56
    Quote: roman72-452
    A balanced and adequate opinion, and the Purginyans showed their true face, it will now be awful how difficult it is for him to wash off.

    Пургинян дешевка неврастеническая, что ему из-за зубцов предпишут, то и исполняет, клоун диванный.
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 16: 59
      Это ты клоун диванный. Кургинян стратег работающий в поле.
  63. 0
    10 July 2014 16: 09
    Постановочные фото это как раз для вас, уважаемые форумчане, не будьте наивными. Это видимость для тех, кто хочет верить в недееспособное ополчение. Война умов. Что вы думаете, в ополчении одни неучи сидят? Как бы не так.
    А Стрелкова командующим всех ополченцев надо сделать - однозначно. Умнейший человек, таких командиров поискать надо. За таким человеком не то, что в разведку, а через огонь, воду и медные трубы не страшно идти.
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 17: 01
      Остался только вопрос: куда.
      Сам Игорь Иванович, говорит, что он военный. А значит куда направят. Вопрос кто?

      Приезжал Кургинян. Его послали. Вопрос: кто будет теперь направлять, если гражданскую оборону РФ послали лесом? Олигархи? Либералы? Фашисты?

      А так да ... как инструмент в чьих-то руках очень достойный
  64. 0
    10 July 2014 19: 27
    Quote: Russ69
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    Something this time missed Kurginyan.

    Apparently, the essence went to the gun ...

    а теперь представим на минутку, что лично для Вас, по секрету всему свету, на данном ресурсе взяли всё рассказали разложили по полочкам.
    В ответ прозвучит, Ааа, ну тогда ладно, тогда я согласен, а то мужики-то и не знали, не.., ну мы это, мы тут чисто конкретно волнуемся же...
    Или как, или что? Чего хотим-то? чтобы перед нами отчитывались за каждый шаг и мы утверждали планы ? КоллеФфтивно!Всё и так шито белыми нитками.
    Достаточно Ванги на все эти дела: "Крым орвется от берега и пристанет к другому. К России уйдут 8 городов.." Кажется так.
  65. 0
    10 July 2014 19: 33
    Quote from GexZloy
    Засрали Славянск, теперь Донецк кошмарить будут.
    Общался с донецкими, они в шоке от этого ополчения:
    - пользы населению ноль
    - рост цен из-за проблемной доставки грузов
    - разрушается инфраструктура
    - и самое главное ставят под удар мирных

    На вопрос что они тут забыли отвечают мы вас защищаем.
    From whom?
    What for?
    For what?
    Матерятся все, от учителей до бизнесменов.

    Кто и почему решил что донецким людям в своём большинстве это нужно?

    так донецкая земля уже продана на 50 лет сынуле одного никому неизвестного америкоса. Видимо, да, надо было просто подождать зимы ивсё было у вас в шоколоде. Ну, ещё не вечер...
  66. +1
    10 July 2014 19: 48
    Очень немногословный и адекватный материал. Даже не буду сомневаться какие там на погоне звезды и сколько winked
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      10 July 2014 19: 54
      какие-какие... интернетовские. И воин - палладин 80 уровня. В общем, уважуха
  67. Gexzloy
    0
    10 July 2014 20: 06
    Quote: MasterCat
    так донецкая земля уже продана на 50 лет сынуле одного никому неизвестного америкоса.

    to whom?
    where does this information come from?
    facts to the studio

    Quote: MasterCat
    Видимо, да, надо было просто подождать зимы ивсё было у вас в шоколоде.

    нет не было бы, но то что творят ополченцы никому лучше не делает. Просто всё разрушают.
  68. 0
    10 July 2014 21: 26
    Quote from GexZloy
    Quote: MasterCat
    так донецкая земля уже продана на 50 лет сынуле одного никому неизвестного америкоса.

    to whom?
    where does this information come from?
    facts to the studio

    ключевые слова для поиска: сын Байдена, сланцевая добыча на укранине.
    население оказалось в месте, где ему быть не положено. значит нужно чтобы его там не было. ничего личного, только бизнес. проектик на 50 лет и на огромной территории.
  69. Russophile
    0
    10 July 2014 21: 48
    Примерная цитата радиопереговоров одного из полевых командиров "Северного альянса" и одного из командиров "Талибов": "У меня 3 танка, 2 миномета, 2 БТРа и 80 солдат. Ночью будем наступать на "Хазарат". - Хорошо, Амир. Я ухожу в "Шер Хан", но через три дня у меня будет подкрепление."
    На войне тоже надо договариваться. Бессмысленные жертвы нужны только полным отморозкам.
  70. 0
    10 July 2014 22: 56
    лучше и не написать.Хоть и жовто-блакитный, но ОФИЦЕР.Таких противников бы поменьше хотелось бы иметь в ВСУ
  71. 0
    11 July 2014 00: 13
    Кургинян он кто признано опытный офицер? повоевал много? может он привез тяжелое вооружение котого очень нехватает.или вывез женщин и детей из Новороссии? так какого он там лает
  72. Gexzloy
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    11 July 2014 09: 31
    Quote: MasterCat
    население оказалось в месте, где ему быть не положено. значит нужно чтобы его там не было. ничего личного, только бизнес. проектик на 50 лет и на огромной территории.

    население никому не мешает, где ополченцы осели там и воевали.
    Не случайно же именно в Славянске был штаб ополчения?
    Россия очень не хочет чтобы Украина сама добывала газ.
    1. +1
      11 July 2014 15: 39
      Quote from GexZloy
      Россия очень не хочет чтобы Украина сама добывала газ.
      - кто и как Вам мешает? Может отсутствие газа? laughing
    2. +1
      11 July 2014 18: 14
      Ага через залежи молодого урана и этим за...ть окружающие области в том числе и свои.
      Ростовскую и Белгородскую вот так выгода. Урановые шахты закрыли при СССР а таперь через них добывать газ.Самоубийственно батенька.
  73. 0
    11 July 2014 15: 24
    http://strikeball-for-all.ru/64-86-large/straykbolnyiy-avtomat-ak-tac.jpg
  74. 0
    11 July 2014 19: 59
    This is the right decision, this is a very wise military decision ...
    In the city of Slavyansk, it was criminal to commit suicide .. in the city, every street, every house was shot by artillery of the National Guard ..
    In the history of Russia, military commanders when they left the city saved the lives of personnel, won time and counter-attacked.
    Well done Igor Ivanovich, this is your first victory!
    Now we need to change tactics, there should be no more habitable places, constant covert movement, exhaust the enemy on a constant pursuit, change of location, catch the main guns on ambush movements, deprive them of their only superiority ....
    The enemy will be in false euphoria for some time, but at the same time they will get off their homes, thereby for some time they will be in a psychological bustle - one move is equal to one fire .... this moment must also be used ...
    You in Slavyansk gained real combat experience, rallied a strong masculine spirit — the victory will be yours!
    And you will come back to Slavyansk and will meet you there as HEROES!
  75. 0
    11 July 2014 22: 42
    Этот ок говорит о том, как надо было действовать фашистам, что все плюсуют этой скотине!!!???
  76. 0
    11 July 2014 23: 49
    Тут интересный вопрос. С точки зрения тактики... Стрелкову виднее, а вот стратегически Новороссии нужны рубли, наличные, для расплаты в ларьках и магазинах. Носки, разгрузки и медикаменты -- это хорошо, но поможет лишь протянуть. Для победы им нужен оборотный рубль.
  77. Kostya pedestrian
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    12 July 2014 05: 05
    Интересно, а каково мнение Камаза и 9 крыши? Что-то их лого фиолетового цвета? Чаем не лигли ли они под папу римского? Может вас тевтоны своим вытьём из-подольда пугают как в Симпсонах?

    Тем не менее о логотипе:

    Так это:
    1.Нас Рать или в хвост?
    2.Подымаемся или опускаемся?
    3. Марс или стреножены?
    4. ПоДкова удачи или балетные тапочки определённого цвета?
    1. Kostya pedestrian
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      12 July 2014 07: 26
      Кстати, как вам такой девиз. Чай не бог вас создал, как, в прочем, и МАЗ.
      Так что если кто и будет хозяином тайги так Катюша на студебеккерк, но не как не ЮД с секьюрит скринами от сони

      И3Мальборро всех страх Соединяйтесь!

  78. Kostya pedestrian
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    12 July 2014 05: 10
    всё же МАЗ выбрал правильно, инопланетян! Смотрите какой клык растёт.
    Просто так и хочется сказать вышибалам:

    Маз - это Кадилак среди грузовиков!

    PieS:
    Им, инопланетянам, какая разница, Родины на земле НЕТ. Так что, как поёт Виктор Ночной:

    Нам судьба давно известна,
    Только нам неинтересно,
    Ждать,когда закончится игра…
    Мы теперь - другие люди,
    Только вряд ли мы забудем
    То, чему учили нас вчера.

    Всё теперь совсем иначе,
    Каждый здесь - солдат удачи.
    Каждый - за себя.
    И против всех.
    Доброта здесь вызывает смех.
    Let the loser cry
    Победитель выпьет за успех…

    Добрый старый мир разрушен,
    Никому никто не нужен.
    Ты один.
    И все вокруг - одни.
    Бьёмся головой о стены,
    Глушим водку, колем вены,
    И минуты складываем в дни.

    А учили нас, что нужно
    Умирать всем вместе, дружно,
    И что перед богом все равны.

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