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Winning strategy

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The long-distance march of Strelkov to Donetsk broke many plans that were built on the basis of his heroic death. However, now it is in the past. What are the chances of the parties to win?

This is a difficult question. The sympathizers of each of the parties have their own point of view on this issue - naturally, the diametrical one. However, for the most part it lies in the standard "throwing caps." The problem is that there are caps on both sides, but there are also very serious problems.

Victory for Kiev

Kiev, without any doubt, has very serious chances for a military victory. I’ll clarify that we are talking about a military victory, that is, the defeat of the militia forces opposing it. With a political victory, questions remain at any outcome of events.

The most important advantage of the junta is the overwhelming superiority in heavy weapons and absolute supremacy in the air. Organizationally, Kiev has a significant advantage, which is expressed in the current state and military machine. If his opponents are only at the stage of formation of their organizational structures, which leads to a very high randomness, loss of efforts to overcome managerial inconsistencies, Kiev has the opportunity, even with extremely low performing discipline, to carry out all the necessary activities - from mobilization to putting into operation of canned equipment ahead of it destruction rate.

The absolute advantage of Kiev is outside help - in people, specialists, money, technical means and intelligence data. For the militia all this is not available. Consider the hypothesis of assistance from Russia (meaning organized assistance) while you can be in a number of equally exotic, as the arrival of a space marines from the Nibiru galaxy or the transfer of some kind of combat magic technologies from local gnome miners. In any case, while this exotic is irrelevant.

The above, plus the experience of the war for Slavyansk, suggests a strategy for the actions of the punitive army. Without engaging in contact combat, equate with fire any centers of resistance, including potential ones. Residential areas, industrial areas, ravines, forests and landings, fields - it does not matter. Any place where militiamen are, or may even be, must be bombarded with shells and filled with fire from all types of rifle weapons. Only after that - the advancement of armored vehicles - and already after him the advancement of infantry. Any resistance means only one thing - a departure to the original and a repetition of the past.

Winning strategy


The tactics are extremely barbaric, but the punitive cannot afford anything else - they do not have full-fledged infantry. All the protracted armed clashes with the militia still ended the same way - only today it was reported that 70% of the personnel of the Azov battalion in Saur-Grave were destroyed. What actually means the elimination of it as a unit. "Azov" withdrawn for re-formation.

The Donbass battalion, which has already passed two reincarnations, no longer rushes to the front, but wishes to fight in the “liberated” Slavyansk, where it can put all men into the ground without much risk. The logic is simple - once survived, it means either a separatist or their accomplice.





The bottleneck of such a strategy is an insufficient number of artillery systems. They are incredibly many compared to the militia artillery, but catastrophically few in order to spread the developed infastructure of the region in a short time. On the other hand, even this relatively small number of punitive artillery is experiencing a need for a very large amount of ammunition that needs to be brought up, wasting increasingly scarce fuel, and the fleet of the Ukrainian army is not dimensionless, and its condition is extremely worn.

In order to roll over the million-plus city of Donetsk, as a hundred-thousandth and much more compact Slavyansk, Kiev will have to either find somewhere new artillery barrels (and also everything else associated for the continuous supply of shells), or accept the months-long siege of the city. Or go ahead, spitting on any loss in manpower and technology.

With Lugansk, the situation looks completely symmetrical - while the punishers are forced to wipe out entire blocks of settlements from the face of the earth. Moving forward, but very slowly. Basically it succeeds where the militia simply does not have people and, accordingly, resistance.

Aviation because of its small number of punishers, it is not able to play a decisive role in the destruction of Donetsk and Lugansk, it seems that it cannot interact with the ground forces - both because it is not trained in this and because of the complete inability to do this from the ground forces. Therefore, the junta attack aircraft can use mainly as a tool of terror for civilians - as is already happening.

The exit and unimpeded march of a rather considerable column of Strelkov proved that the supremacy in the air of Kiev is absolutely incapable of pouring into his tactical victories. For example, the withdrawal of Khamis Gaddafi’s brigade from Misrata in a similar situation led to its merciless bombardment by NATO forces, which had the opportunity to conduct reconnaissance from the air and coordinate the actions of their attack aircraft located hundreds of kilometers from the scene. Kiev is deprived of such chic opportunities.

One way or another, Kiev will first have to solve a very difficult task to pull down everything assembled under Slavyansky under Donetsk, to provide its protection, supply of ammunition, to tighten infantry - and only after that it will be possible to begin to destroy the city. The junta will take at least two to three weeks to do everything, and if you consider the possibility of a war on communications, this period may be delayed for a longer time.

Whatever one may say - but the time factor continues to play a key role. The timid statements of the world community, the search for a peaceful settlement, or the three hundred and fifty-third teachings of the next military district of Russia do not produce any influence on the events, but the street that the media continue to keep in hysterical condition presses on the junta. The influence of the street is skillfully used by Poroshenko’s opponents, who have already pushed through the decision to end the truce — and they demand immediate results. The longer the ATO continues (although, of course, the ATO is no longer possible to call it), the more seriously Poroshenko will face the issue of its termination. He is in a certain zugzwang - it is impossible to complete quickly, to pull - to get the third Maidan, in which the scumbag Lyashko is gaining more and more strong positions.

Poroshenko, who was appointed from Washington, is well aware of who is pumped up with money and Lyashko rating. The third Maidan (or parliamentary elections) will lead to the power of undisguised fascists, after which any rational calculations fly to hell, and Poroshenko will be responsible for the lack of diligence in suppressing the separatists.

Therefore, the longer the ATO is delayed, the more likely Poroshenko will choose a peaceful solution of the issue in order to focus on the situation in Kiev. The war for him becomes an opportunity with the hands of the "separatists" to exterminate the most frostbitten Nazis, on which Lyashko (or other Nazi leaders) can ultimately rely on. Therefore, it cannot be ruled out - or rather, it must be assumed that this time ground attacks and assaults by the Right Sector battalions and territorial battalions will be conducted more often than in Slavyansk. Win - all the laurels of Poroshenko. If they do not win, they will decrease in number. The media, of course, add heat, but voluntary sets are becoming more and more sluggish and without flames - the bulk of those who want to destroy the “Colorado” are already in the ranks.



There is also a financial factor that plays a significant role - and it is not necessary to expect that the war will be paid for in full. The West is able to pull funding for jihadists, who are very moderate in appetites and consume less resources. Pull the whole bankrupt country, and even the leading war, the United States will not. Europe - even more so. It is a pity.

However, it is not necessary to rely only on a lack of finances - by itself it is not critical, it can become such only in combination with other factors.

Thus, it can be assumed that the maximum duration of the current phase of the ATO will last no more than two months — it will not be able to go for more Poroshenko. Naturally, if during these two months Kiev achieves a result that will allow him to inflict a serious defeat on the militia, the time limit will be extended - to a full and final military victory. But this defeat will still need to inflict.

And this is where the opportunities begin which, under certain circumstances, will be able to play for the militia.
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  1. portoc65
    portoc65 8 July 2014 18: 22
    +14
    For whom the truth is behind that and the victory. What is the strength of the brother? .... and the strength is in the truth, for whom the truth is behind that and the strength ..
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 8 July 2014 18: 24
      +28
      I know there will be casualties among the militias, it will be difficult, it will be hard, but the surviving militias with tears in their eyes, on the Maidan in Kiev, shout loudly-VICTORY
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 8 July 2014 19: 19
        +14
        Quote: herruvim
        but the surviving militias with tears in their eyes, on the Maidan in Kiev, shout loudly-VICTORY

        And how can this be done? The resources of the militia and dill are simply not comparable. Today, you only have to dream about Kiev ...
        1. avg
          avg 8 July 2014 22: 37
          +3
          Yes, at least ours helped by the fact that the exercises were conducted not in the Urals, but in various places near the dill border. Why not spend in the Rostov region in response to the shelling of our border guards, or in Crimea in response to the concentration of dill near the isthmus. No matter how much equipment is pulled away from Donetsk and Lugansk, and they would be wary of restoring control of border crossings.
          1. assam4
            assam4 8 July 2014 23: 20
            +1
            All these teachings are beyond the Urals, the notes of protest are uk.ram ridicule
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 9 July 2014 01: 12
            0
            Quote: avg
            Why not spend in the Rostov region in response to the shelling of our border guards, or in Crimea in response to the concentration of dill near the isthmus

            Because America and Geyrope will tell us "ay-ay-ay!", And we cannot quarrel with them - they threatened us with sanctions .. wassat
    2. irat
      irat 8 July 2014 18: 30
      +31
      "Russian Spring" 08.07.2014/17/13 - XNUMX:XNUMX
      Greetings from partisans: Punitive block post near Odessa was shot

      Greetings from partisans: Punitive block post near Odessa was shot | Russian spring
      Last night, fighters of the Odessa underground conducted a high-quality sabotage operation, firing a checkpoint near the village of Koshary with firearms.

      According to available information, not conscripts, but ideological fascists from ultranationalist organizations are patrolling the entrances to Odessa.

      Ukrainian media are trying in every way to hush up this fact, calling the victim at the checkpoint a “soldier”.

      The incident occurred at about 1:40 in the night, the fire was fired from a distance of about 30 meters from the car, using the terrain, which made it very difficult to find out which transport. One Nazi was seriously injured by a gunshot; he has already been operated on in intensive care.

      The punishers immediately went looking, but because of the darkness it was not possible to determine even the make and color of the saboteurs' car. This was reported in the regional department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
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      2. Stalker
        Stalker 8 July 2014 18: 43
        +12
        In response to the Russian law on registered weapons, resistance in the southeast sent PARAShanko a personalized gift ... am
      3. Edvagan
        Edvagan 8 July 2014 23: 27
        0
        hope this is just the beginning
      4. Leprechaun
        Leprechaun 9 July 2014 01: 12
        0
        The losses of military personnel and militants in Kiev are growing every day. Moreover, not only from the defenders of New Russia, but also from the hands of the Ukrainian warriors themselves.
        So in the Odessa region with the fire of their own mortars during the exercises, up to hundreds of “national guard” warriors were destroyed.
        ( Collapse )

        According to a source in the ranks of the Ukrainian security forces, units of the Nazi Guard, formed mainly from Ukrainian neo-Nazis of the Right Sector and other groups, conducted exercises on the Black Sea coast in the Odessa region.

        According to the conditions of the exercises, the mortars had to work out a live ammunition strike at a conventional target at sea. However, instead of the sea, the unlucky National Guard guards aptly put mines ... in a cluster of their own colleagues, destroying people before 100.

        The number of wounded is being specified. Kiev is hiding the incident. It is possible that it will be attributed to "sabotage of the separatists."
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 9 July 2014 02: 04
          +2
          Quote: Leprechaun
          . However, instead of the sea, the unlucky National Guard guards aptly put mines ... in a cluster of their own colleagues, destroying up to 100 people.

          Maybe they lay down, throwing a mine on their own, but to put 100 people, this is nonsense ...
    3. portoc65
      portoc65 8 July 2014 18: 46
      +24
      The author wrote a lot about the strength of the Ukrainian army. Yes, it is better armed. Organized. But the author forgot one thing to mention about the strength of the partisan movement. Recall the Second World War. The German Army successfully fought against the Soviet Army, encircling and crushing entire armies, but couldn’t to do with the partisans ... And the junta. It is doomed. because you can defeat the army but never defeat the Russian people
      1. Cat
        Cat 8 July 2014 20: 34
        +7
        If the "German army" had not fought against the Red Army, the partisan movement would have been suppressed quickly enough. The armies, not the irregulars, win the war. Please understand correctly - guerrilla actions are very important, but they do not lead to victory.
      2. Cat
        Cat 8 July 2014 20: 34
        +4
        If the "German army" had not fought against the Red Army, the partisan movement would have been suppressed quickly enough. The armies, not the irregulars, win the war. Please understand correctly - guerrilla actions are very important, but they do not lead to victory.
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      4. Stasi
        Stasi 8 July 2014 21: 28
        +11
        You forgot to mention one important factor. The Soviet partisans acted effectively, but this was due to the fact that the partisan movement had a Center that provided partisans with weapons, food, and information. He sent military instructors and specialists to the partisan detachments. The militias of the South-East do not have such a Center, they have to rely mainly on themselves, on their strengths and capabilities, on their ingenuity and fighting spirit.
        1. Cat
          Cat 8 July 2014 23: 49
          +1
          So I about it. We read the classics - Denis Davydov (whom unknowing people consider only a poet, a drunkard and partisan, or Che Guevara (whom they themselves consider a leftist and anarchist).
          I strongly recommend it.
          Both were underlined in bold:
          For successful partisan action, you need three factors:
          1. External support from the regular army
          2. Support or loyalty of the local population
          3. Suitable terrain.
          On the last point - everyone understands what an urban area is and what kind of hemorrhoids it is.
          1. stephan cat
            stephan cat 9 July 2014 00: 07
            +1
            And Eike Middeldorf described the prerequisites for a successful ATO: cutting off support from outside and support from within. Classic.
      5. WKS
        WKS 8 July 2014 22: 15
        +4
        Quote: portoc65
        The author wrote a lot about the strength of the Ukrainian army. Yes, it is better armed. Organized. But the author forgot one thing but to mention the strength of the partisan movement
        And not only partisan. An ordinary worker repairing or assembling military equipment can do so much harm that it doesn’t seem enough. Just after a message passed, shells exploded in six tanks repaired in Kharkov.
      6. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes 9 July 2014 01: 07
        +1
        Quote: portoc65
        The author wrote a lot about the strength of the Ukrainian army. Yes, it is better armed. Organized. But the author forgot one thing to mention about the strength of the partisan movement. Recall the Second World War. The German Army successfully fought against the Soviet Army, encircling and crushing entire armies, but couldn’t to do with the partisans ... And the junta. It is doomed. because you can defeat the army but never defeat the Russian people


        In a guerrilla war, any regular army suffers more losses than during an open confrontation. You can recall not only the Second World War, but also the Soviet military contingent in Afghanistan or the contingent of the US Army in Afghanistan. Losses at both are big. (You can’t look at official data on US losses - they have a lot of mercenaries from Brazilian or Mexican prisons in the army - these losses do not count).
      7. avia1991
        avia1991 9 July 2014 01: 21
        0
        Quote: portoc65
        the author forgot one thing to mention about the strength of the partisan movement

        The guerrilla movement alone will not bring victory. And then - what's the point? In combination with the actions of the army - yes, great! But any partisan detachment must be deployed somewhere, eat something, be supplied with ammunition, equipment, intelligence, means of transportation .. the partisan movement is a big organizational work. You can’t get a lot of war on trophy ammunition alone, which we now see in New Russia. Help is needed! Will our leadership have the courage to provide such assistance? After all, even with your own hands it’s not necessary: ​​there is South Ossetia, which recognized both republics!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 9 July 2014 05: 27
          +6
          But what about Cuba? A group of militias landed, without the support of the army, and eventually defeated Batista. Everything was decided by the support of the population and the area.
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    6. skeptic
      skeptic 8 July 2014 19: 44
      +15
      Quote: portoc65
      What is the strength in, brother?....


      OSCE obligated Ukrainian state to return non-Ukrainian lands of Ukraine
      The publication of “Wprost” is catastrophic in its consequences for the Ukrainian state. As the document shows, the reason for the refusal is the signing by Ukraine on June 27 of an association agreement with the European Union. It provides for mandatory restitution for all EU members, even associates. (Restitution - restoration, recall, return of former rights and advantages).
      Article 1 of the 1950 Council of Europe Convention: “Protection of the property of individuals and legal entities”. Neither the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, nor his entourage, apparently had a clue about it. Meanwhile, Protocol No. 1 to the Convention clearly stipulates the right of members of the European Union to own only their property. From it follows the obligation to return illegal, including land ownership. Therefore, the process of Crimea joining Russia by the OSCE is recognized as restitution: the return to its rightful owner of its territory. The status of Crimea was adopted on a temporary basis on June 28, 1914 - the beginning of the First World War.
      Wprost writes about the heated discussion at the meeting of the political committee of the assembly. Sensation - statement of the representative of Austria Christoph Leitlä, that following the logic of the OSCE resolution, Ukraine, as a state, needs to self-destruct in favor of Russia. An exception is the region of the former Galicia, formerly part of Austria-Hungary (Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv and western Ternopil regions of Ukraine). “In 1914, gentlemen, Ukraine was part of Austria. This means that today, 100 years later, the right of my motherland to Galicia remains unconditional, ”proclaimed Leitl.
      The performance of the Austrian provoked outrage from a member of the Polish delegation, Adam Koberatsky. He noted that 400 years ago Ukraine was part of the Commonwealth and only Poland has the right to it. “For hundreds of years, the Ukrainian and Polish peoples lived in friendship until the Kremlin agent Khmelnytsky committed an act of betrayal in Pereyaslav.”
      The above is only part of the scandalous controversy published by the Polish edition.
      “You must not allow the resolution on the Crimea to be announced,” US Secretary of State John Kerry fought hysterically, addressing OSCE Chairman Didier Burkhalter. He timidly referred to the independence of an international organization. The representative of the State Department, Jennifer Psaki, was sent to Vienna, in order to pressure the naughty Swiss. However, instead of Austria, Psaki flew to Australia, confusing their destinations. The plane was deployed halfway, but time was lost. Although the revised OSCE resolution went without a mention of restitution in the media, the original version came to Wprost editor Sylvester Latkovsky. There is a version that Latkovsky received it from Maciej Huni, chief of the Polish Intelligence Agency. He does not tolerate the spirit of the Americans since his studies at Jagiellonian University.
      Wprost also posted on its pages a telephone conversation between Poroshenko and Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski. The latter in it invites Ukraine to join the Polish Republic. The new voivodship will be called the “Zaporizhzhya Sich” in memory of the Cossack freemen dispersed by Catherine.
      Full article Source: http://vladbard.blogspot.ru

      So the parashka has a way out.
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 8 July 2014 20: 01
        +8
        Ukrainians will be given the opportunity to speak their native language outside state institutions. After seven years of living and passing an exam on the history of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in Polish and Lithuanian, they will be able to become citizens of Poland. Komorowski was guaranteed to the President of Ukraine a place in the Polish Sejm with an advisory vote and his wife's work as a nurse at the St. Anna Hospital in Warsaw. Poroshenko called the proposal constructive and promised the Polish president to submit it to the Verkhovna Rada meeting at the end of July.
        “Ukraine will survive the blow from restitution, which is being prepared in the context of European integration, only by recognizing Novorossia as an independent state. Such a move will be able to stop the restitution that is destroying us and remain in the European Union, ”says Yulia Tymoshenko (BBC Ukrainian). The statement of the leader of the "Fatherland" remains the only public response to the publication in the "Wprost". Representatives of other parliamentary parties of Ukraine are in a state of shock. “It's not even a suction. The European Union simply raped us all, ”writes Vitali Klitschko in his Facebook.
        In the light of the events, the proposal of the State Duma deputy Mikhail Degtyarev to return the word “Little Russia” to the official status for the designation of modern Ukraine sounds quite relevant. A formidable shadow of restitution hung over the yellow-blazed flag “non-blocking”, threatening to turn it to dust.
        P.S. According to the information received, the Wprost editor was detained yesterday by the head of the Polish counterintelligence Dariusz Luchak and handed over to representatives of the American intelligence services. The next flight they plan to send him to the military base of Guantanamo. “There is irrefutable evidence of Mr. Latkovsky’s involvement in the activities of the Nigerian terrorist sect Boko Haram, who was responsible for the abduction of children. He will be imprisoned pending confession with jihadists, ”said US Ambassador to Poland Stephen Mull. The reaction of the President of Poland to the extradition of a journalist to the Americans was expressed in a laconic appeal to the nation: “Pogodzi ?, panowie! (Humble ourselves, gentlemen!). "
        Source: http://www.novorossia.org/politika/6890-obse-obyazala-ukrainskoe-gosudarstvo-ver
        nut-neukrainskie-zemli-ukrainy.html
        1. twin22
          twin22 8 July 2014 20: 32
          +2
          This is a joke :)
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        3. Leprechaun
          Leprechaun 8 July 2014 23: 29
          0
          It was originally published on a Humorous site.
        4. Serrrrgo
          Serrrrgo 8 July 2014 23: 47
          0
          What nonsense?) And it wasn’t too lazy for some sick mind to invent all this)
      2. portoc65
        portoc65 8 July 2014 20: 32
        +3
        However, instead of Austria, Psaki flew to Australia, confusing their destinations. The plane was deployed halfway, but time was lost - PSAKI AS ALWAYS LIGHT laughing
        1. Edvagan
          Edvagan 8 July 2014 23: 34
          +1
          I think it's just a joke
      3. boomerang.
        boomerang. 8 July 2014 20: 34
        +3
        Well, you need to drive this gangster junta!
        We have signed association agreements with the European Union, they no longer have the right to apply for either Crimea or Novorossia, and there are many more things that they have to do, this is the law! http://odnarodyna.com.ua/node/12861
        I don’t understand why the European Union looks like the junta on foreign territory is disposing of its own, and America says so that the junta has the right to shoot citizens of New Russia.
        Drive them with a filthy broom from someone else's territory. angry
      4. vlad-58
        vlad-58 8 July 2014 20: 59
        +1
        aha ... the Zaporizhzhya Sich ... and the capital - "Taras Bulba"! in! sho son, did your Poles help you? ...
    7. Giant thought
      Giant thought 8 July 2014 19: 46
      +4
      Ultimately, the Nazis never had a final victory, it will be so now.
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    9. Akvadra
      Akvadra 8 July 2014 21: 46
      +2
      Quote: portoc65
      For whom the truth is behind that and the victory. What is the strength of the brother? .... and the strength is in the truth, for whom the truth is behind that and the strength ..

      The first time I went to the "censor". At first he was indignant, then angry, then laughed until colic! They have their own truth. But so funny! Poor fellows. The head is clearly wawa. We must drink brilliant green.
      1. Kubanist
        Kubanist 8 July 2014 22: 52
        +1
        That's what really seems to me to be work.
        "Many would be ready to join the militia if there are social guarantees. And there will be such guarantees. In the near future we will start by paying the militia a salary of about 8 thousand hryvnia."
        http://rusvesna.su/news/1404843636
        I remember V.S. Vysotsky had such words "where is Zin's money?", I mean where did they come from? bully
    10. creep: b
      creep: b 8 July 2014 23: 18
      -1
      Where is the truth why they left Slavyansk? Why hide?
    11. queen
      queen 8 July 2014 23: 30
      +2
      21:47
      "... Quiet Ukrainian night! The screams on the Maidan died down, what would all the homosexuals
      help, Klitschko scribbles a letter to OBAMA! "MY DEAR BLACK-ASS FRIEND!
      us a couple of billion, and then zats Yatsenyuk blew our Crimea of ​​Russia in
      backgammon! Sashko put on an oak tailcoat and doesn’t run already to attack, his shot
      jacket TIGGER PUT INTO SPRAK! Yarosh wanted to blow the pipe, but
      they called from Europe, they said: if he’s a cook, they will put a pipe in his ass! At
      Julia was blown away by the scythe and shakes her with a hoof. She has recently blown through
      party meeting closed! "Obama scratched his balls, put his tail
      pistol and sent American biscuits to Kiev for Klitschko! "
    12. mr pzh
      mr pzh 9 July 2014 01: 16
      +1
      Bulletins from Strelkova Igor Ivanovich
      09.07.14/00/33. XNUMX:XNUMX. Message from a local resident.

      "In Slavyansk, Lyashko and his fascist thugs are raging. They detain and torture people. We got lists of those who donated blood for wounded militias in hospitals. They are hunting them."

      Fascists burn you in hell, they will not even be allowed to go to hell .......
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  4. mig31
    mig31 8 July 2014 18: 31
    +3
    The truth is the truth, as she is not perverted, she (the truth) puts everyone in their place - to whom shame, and to whom glory, obviously the junta - shame ...
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  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 8 July 2014 18: 31
    +6
    Nah, banderlog surpassed their teachers-Hitlers-Goebbels-Goering ... in crimes ...
  6. Dezinto
    Dezinto 8 July 2014 18: 36
    +21
    The uniform is absolutely NATO.
    The form of the new zoldaten of the great Reich ... so that they were empty!
    1. typhoon7
      typhoon7 8 July 2014 19: 36
      +5
      Most of all, this form of them is cut down on the lands of Russia, gray mice.
      1. vladstro
        vladstro 8 July 2014 22: 30
        +1
        Nothing soon Donbass zemstvos bit off in full, I personally believe Strelkov, I’ll put not one hundred fascists yet, but if we don’t help him get tight, we must admit it.
    2. anfil
      anfil 8 July 2014 19: 37
      +12
      The Donbass battalion, which has already passed two reincarnations, no longer rushes to the front, but wishes to fight in the “liberated” Slavyansk, where it can put all men into the ground without much risk. The logic is simple - once survived, it means either a separatist or their accomplice.


      Those who are now being arrested, what were they expecting at all, who are they my khataskrayniks or "young guards" of the underground? No wonder they say that 0,05% of the capable male population of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions is at war.
      Now dill will force to prove their innocence in the penal battalions in the forefront at the forefront.



      And on the right side of the bike leaned on and in the background a loyal male population ...

      Summary from Jan

      Bulletins, New Russia, Forty-Fourth Day, 07.07.

      Jul. 7th, 2014 at 3: 32 PM
      At night, Karlovka again thumped. In Krasnadon, the Lesnoy quarter, dill completely destroyed the church with artillery at the site of the death of 80 miners who died from a methane explosion at the Barakov mine.
      In Kramatorsk, Slavyansk there is a sweep, Ukrainian fascists carry out fingerprinting of the male part of the population and conduct an express analysis for the presence of traces of gunpowder (using an American device). Traces of gunpowder can be removed from hands with a weak solution of bleach, it is better to get rid of smelling clothes (you can burn it). There is information that the National Guard are engaged in executions of the civilian population suspected of having links with the militia, about two dozen people have already been killed.
      In Krasny Liman, near 300's PSs, they were stationed in the gymnasium and the private sector with their policemen. So check the boxes for traitors helping the fascists.
  7. vorobey
    vorobey 8 July 2014 18: 37
    +7
    El Murid, and you and I are saying the same thing on timelines ... by the fall, everything will be decided ... only I have no doubt for some reason there is no one in whose favor.
  8. rodevaan
    rodevaan 8 July 2014 18: 38
    +30
    The people, but such an opinion — it seems to me that the militia’s clash with the ukronazists was not included in the GDP plans — more precisely, I think that it was planned to keep a splinter in railway ukrov in the form of the Southeast, but apparently, in view of the success of the Crimean scenario , the militia decided to conduct a military campaign on their own, and such a turn of events was not included in the plans of the Russian political and military department!
    It was not for nothing that GDP did not advise the Southeast, for the time being, to hold referenda! Hence, not such Russian support as everyone expected!
    People, think it over. These are just my guesses, but it seems to me that they are not without meaning.
    1. Angro Magno
      Angro Magno 8 July 2014 18: 44
      +8
      I think so too.
      Only the people made their own adjustments to the plans.
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    3. Homo
      Homo 8 July 2014 18: 45
      0
      Quote: rodevaan
      People, think it over. These are just my guesses, but it seems to me that they are not without meaning.

      And the people do not like to think, it is easier to shout VVP "leaked" the South-East.
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      2. Angro Magno
        Angro Magno 8 July 2014 19: 22
        +7
        So, after all, people can drain someone.
        1. Homo
          Homo 8 July 2014 21: 38
          +3
          Quote: Angro Magno
          So, after all, people can drain someone.

          Like - "Maidan" to arrange? God forbid! What is the result of this "drain" we are now seeing!
          1. twin22
            twin22 8 July 2014 23: 29
            -1
            Homo
            Like - "Maidan" to arrange? God forbid! What is the result of this "drain" we are now seeing!


            Something like these "warnings" about the Maidans ceased to be pleasant to me. They began to be repeated often. Is it not for the fact that the people, God forbid, would not rock the boat.
            We are citizens of our country. We have the right to express our opinion and protest, including on the streets. Why does the whole world do this, and is not afraid of any Maidan, and God forbid us.

            People can drain, and will merge (!) - do not hesitate. And it is time for our "elite" to wake up itself, and not to lull the people.
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            2. Angro Magno
              Angro Magno 8 July 2014 23: 33
              0
              It’s time to put our elite to sleep.
            3. niki233
              niki233 8 July 2014 23: 51
              0
              Quote: twin22
              Homo
              Like - "Maidan" to arrange? God forbid! What is the result of this "drain" we are now seeing!


              Something like these "warnings" about the Maidans ceased to be pleasant to me. They began to be repeated often. Is it not for the fact that the people, God forbid, would not rock the boat.
              We are citizens of our country. We have the right to express our opinion and protest, including on the streets. Why does the whole world do this, and is not afraid of any Maidan, and God forbid us.

              People can drain, and will merge (!) - do not hesitate. And it is time for our "elite" to wake up itself, and not to lull the people.

              sorry but you! fool
              1. twin22
                twin22 9 July 2014 00: 13
                -1
                niki233
                sorry but you! fool


                Yes to health, do not apologize ... Only you are not too convincing smile
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          3. Angro Magno
            Angro Magno 8 July 2014 23: 30
            -1
            If we lose New Russia, the agony of Russia will begin. It will be necessary before the death of one of the drains with him to the grave.
            The list is extensive. There are plenty to choose from.
            1. 31rus
              31rus 9 July 2014 00: 42
              0
              Directly my thoughts out loud, thanks!
            2. 31rus
              31rus 9 July 2014 00: 42
              0
              Directly my thoughts out loud, thanks!
      3. Evgeniy.
        Evgeniy. 8 July 2014 19: 43
        0
        Did you understand? "people", and not only in Russia, defines V.V.P. not only the national leader of the Russians but the entire CIS ... if not more
      4. rodevaan
        rodevaan 8 July 2014 19: 44
        +10
        No, what am I talking about - the militia, against the background of the successful return of Crimea, could quite in the spirit of our "hurray-offensive" sentiments start all this mess, and if something goes wrong, or the Nazis will come out with tanks and guns - that type is not a problem - Russia will understand / intercede. And in the plans of Russia and GDP, the annexation of the South-East was not on the agenda!
        I think, first it would be necessary to digest Crimea, and here also the South-East, - gentlemen, we can fall asleep. After all, there is complete devastation. And the militia decided everything at once and in one fell swoop ....
        I’m what it is for - before hacking off your shoulder, you need to calculate the situation and look at the possibilities and consequences. Putin, apparently calculated this, but the militia ....
        This is not a statement, these are just my guesses and versions ...
        1. Draz
          Draz 8 July 2014 23: 57
          0
          Perhaps only I doubt that this is Strelkov's style, on the other hand we know little about him. hi
    4. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 8 July 2014 18: 51
      +7
      If you are right, then all the same decisive actions will be in the fall! Because if PARAShenko holds out until spring, then he will have a chance to continue to "steer"
      Although the best "script" for us is when Svidomo wet Svidomo, and Russia swallows the voluntarily joining regions in which the natsykov "cleaned up" the local population!
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 8 July 2014 19: 15
        +7
        Not all is said yet. Restitution ... The association is signed. Now, with great probability, Ukraine will have to give up vast territories and possibly even recognize New Russia. Of course, it is better to destroy the resistance first so that there is no one to even speak. But this nut is too tough. The day before yesterday, the militia had 20 tanks, tomorrow - who knows? Rekonovets rolls regulars and Natsik, coupled with mercenaries. And someone was trying to prove to me that the Ukrainian army is now how to gain experience and how to start fighting with Russia .. And I think that in order to gain experience, you first need to turn on your brains. But this is not for galloping ..
        1. saigon
          saigon 9 July 2014 04: 30
          +2
          Well, the experience has already said that ukrokaratelitel 200% negative. Brains can turn on only except turn on the brain you need the option -to use brains- and here is the problem. A hysteria in the media is pumping up negative But there are no victories. The state of psychosis cannot last for a long time, followed by psychological scrapping. The junta does not have a complete monopoly on information. Lying without is certainly not possible. Although the junta to call the Kiev government is not correct. A normal junta would have hung the whole Maidan by the lanterns a long time ago. And the stadiums were not empty either, as in Chile. Having side by side maidan and glorious maydauns on it it is difficult to talk about something. The habit of the crowd solving problems on the Maidan is not good. The leaders of the punitive operation lie about successes and believe in themselves, however.
        2. saigon
          saigon 9 July 2014 04: 30
          +1
          Well, the experience has already said that ukrokaratelitel 200% negative. Brains can turn on only except turn on the brain you need the option -to use brains- and here is the problem. A hysteria in the media is pumping up negative But there are no victories. The state of psychosis cannot last for a long time, followed by psychological scrapping. The junta does not have a complete monopoly on information. Lying without is certainly not possible. Although the junta to call the Kiev government is not correct. A normal junta would have hung the whole Maidan by the lanterns a long time ago. And the stadiums were not empty either, as in Chile. Having side by side maidan and glorious maydauns on it it is difficult to talk about something. The habit of the crowd solving problems on the Maidan is not good. The leaders of the punitive operation lie about successes and believe in themselves, however.
      2. kayman4
        kayman4 8 July 2014 19: 34
        +4
        I think I'm not mistaken if I say that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation works for Strelkov -
        1. DPZ
          DPZ 8 July 2014 19: 45
          +1
          oh well it would be so!
      3. Leprechaun
        Leprechaun 8 July 2014 23: 34
        0
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        Since if PARAShenko lasts until spring, then he will have a chance to continue to "steer"

        This is from the realm of fantasy, He will not survive the winter, the economy is falling in free fall. In winter, when the peak of dissatisfaction with the authorities comes, Julia will arrange Maidan 3.0 as an option.
    5. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 8 July 2014 19: 14
      +5
      Most likely it is. The performance took place "spontaneously", as avalanches are lowered in the mountains, without waiting for a lot of snow to accumulate. It seems to me that this performance was provoked by Akhmetov and sponsored. As a result, at first, some kind of indistinct lump of demands turned out (remember, at first they asked for federalization at all!).
      And the militias and their heroic epic confused all plans. True, they (plans) continued to be implemented slowly, only again failure - the Strelkovites refused to play according to the allotted scenario ...
      1. Leprechaun
        Leprechaun 8 July 2014 23: 36
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        only failure again - the Strelkovites refused to play according to the allotted scenario ...
        The riflemen refused to work according to the Akhmetovsky plan. And there are no exes - it's about Strelkova.
    6. typhoon7
      typhoon7 8 July 2014 19: 34
      +8
      Some analysts believe, not without reason, that it was not by chance that Slavyansk was taken by militias and played the role of a bridgehead. From this point, it is easy to conduct an offensive throughout New Russia, in all directions, but according to the Crimean scenario. That’s why the question of referenda was raised in the Southeast and Moscow, as we know, supported this matter (this was stated many times by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. After mass fights in Kharkov, Odessa, as well as events in Odessa, the reverse was given. But around Slavyansk, Kramatosk , Mariupol already had clashes with the right-wingers, and the people couldn’t move back. So Strelkov could’t blame the people of Novorossia. The punitive machine was already running and Strelkov understood this. Half would be cut out, half would be expelled. optional input howl to, but care should be befitting. The worst thing is of course if it starts a full-scale destruction and annihilation of Donetsk and Lugansk aviation and artillery, the sky should be overlap there will be any.
    7. g1v2
      g1v2 8 July 2014 20: 15
      +10
      According to our plans, federalization of all Ukraine was underway and Akhmetov and some other oligarchs actively supported this idea, but the Ukrainians understood that this was a mine for the whole of Ukraine, since in this case each region could conduct its own policy, including foreign. For example, taxes on cooperation between southeast enterprises and the Russian Federation would remain in southeastasia; banderas could not heroize the Nazis or ban May 9 in southeast etc. And finally, we would invest in those regions where we are respected, and Kiev and Galicia would be left with a nose. And also, the SE could block entry into NATO, etc. This was the so-called GDP plan. According to it, officially Ukraine would be divided into our and western zones of influence. But Kiev lost a lot at the same time, and here in the east they began to recruit the militia for protection from law enforcement officers, Strelkov came to Slavyansk, so the Ukrainians decided to crush the idea of ​​federalization under the pretext of combating separatism, but the talk about separation became the main thing after May 2. In general, the main goal of GDP is the federalization of Ukraine, and not the independence of Donbass. But after the pig started the slaughter, I had to change the setting. If Strelkov stayed in Slavyansk, the independence of Novorossia would be in question, since going to the trap is clearly not in Putin's customs. Moreover, Crimea is a gigantic gain, and the fact that Ukrainians bomb their territory and kill Ukrainian citizens is not a reason for GDP to expose Russia to sanctions. But Strelkov, by his breakthrough and the beginning of putting things in order in the DPR, clearly increased the chances of independence of New Russia and I think money and weapons will be sent not only to Tsarev and Bolotov, but also to him. For those who begin to smear snot about the fallen residents of Donbass, I’ll only say one thing - the story is made by realistic, tough and ruthless guys who see the goal and go to it. I think you will pick up historical examples yourself.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 8 July 2014 23: 53
        +1
        Quote: g1v2
        the fact that Ukrainians bomb their territory and kill Ukrainian citizens is not a reason for GDP to expose Russia to sanctions

        Well, it’s not so simple.
        It is necessary to force the authorities in Kiev (or rather to change this foul power) to respect Russia. Or even slightly respect, but to be afraid and do nothing anti-Russian and anti-Russian. Yes
        And where will the Donbass be: in the federation, confederation, in the Russian Federation or independent is already so significant.
        Well, they will respect the Russian Federation (they are afraid) only when they know that killing peaceful pro-Russian citizens is very dangerous for their own health. Yes, and in the DPR / LPR, the sea of ​​relatives among Russians: parents, children and so on.
        Therefore, it is necessary to give weapons and money there. Only so that "feed the horse".
        As for the sanctions.
        We will not be able to appease the United States, as before the 2nd World War we could not appease Hitler.
        The reason for sanctions will always be found if they consider it necessary.
        Here we need a wise and tough policy on the principle that you - to me, I - to you.
        The Americans are too burying themselves, and even more so, the geyropets do not want and will not.
        I think that we should honestly tell Parasha and his owners: they say so and so, we do not pretend to include Donbass in the Russian Federation, but we will mercilessly suppress shelling of our territory, facts of genocide, fire on refugees, too, about the development of economic ties, while they are shooting, you can forget, we recognize the militia as a party to the conflict. And "neatly, but strongly" press on these points.
        I think that Svidomo would be forced to compromise.
        To begin with, federalization, but it would be visible there.
    8. stephan cat
      stephan cat 9 July 2014 00: 29
      0
      Maybe things didn't go quite according to the script. Then they decided to hold as much territory as possible (even with "interspersed" enemy units and garrisons) in order to have as much weight as possible in negotiations with Kiev on the "division of property", when the ATO and other internal troubles would finally undermine the latter's capacity. Moscow's irritation voiced by Kurginyan when Strelkov left the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk area. Moreover, there is a shale gas field there, the reserves of which would be enough for Europe for 150 years. There is not so much time for Kiev to mature. Will the DPR have time to return the lost area?
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    1. vorobey
      vorobey 8 July 2014 18: 52
      +8
      Quote: Angro Magno
      Two months is a lot


      Normal given the mess of ukroarmii and their resources.


      Quote: Angro Magno
      Must come


      Little strength for defense but demand to advance. point strikes do another thing. Now the Nazis will spend about 10 days on regrouping and exits to areas of concentration. they need to be covered both on the march and already in the districts .. at the same time create their own layered defense at the approaches.
      Along the way, organize backup water supply to the area of ​​their defense at the expense of wells. and the evacuation of children and women.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 8 July 2014 19: 28
        +2
        I didn’t understand that ... another move or all .... the Bobby was blown away ...

        The negotiations of the contact group on the situation in Ukraine may take place on the territory of the Donetsk region. This was announced by the mayor of Donetsk Oleksandr Lukyanchenko, the agency "62.ua" reports.

        According to the head of Donetsk, Petro Poroshenko, who met with Lukyanchenko in Kiev the day before, spoke in favor of continuing the dialogue. The President of Ukraine proposed to hold negotiations with the participation of Russia, DPR and LPR in Svyatogorsk. The date of the meeting has not yet been determined, Vesti FM reports.
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 8 July 2014 20: 05
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          I didn’t understand that ... another move or all .... the Bobby was blown away ...

          Well so, they already answered him that the meeting will be only on the terms of the militias, or there won’t be any way. The regrouping under the guise of negotiations will no longer take place.
  10. alexandr-budarin1
    alexandr-budarin1 8 July 2014 18: 43
    +3
    In this situation, "Maidan 3,0" is quite likely. And that's why they don't clean the tents! There is, after all, like a parashenka and someone has a THIRD scenario !!
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 8 July 2014 19: 19
      +7
      Poroshenko slowly began to "wet" the Maidan. Just in time for the failure of the ATO, it will be scraped out under a whisk. Therefore, it will not be a Maidan, but Lyashko and the National Guard will come to take power. We are waiting for street fights in Kiev. Poroshenko should take care of his personal guard.
      1. Orik
        Orik 8 July 2014 19: 33
        +2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Poroshenko slowly began to "wet" the Maidan. Just in time for the failure of the ATO, it will be scraped out under a whisk. Therefore, it will not be a Maidan, but Lyashko and the National Guard will come to take power. We are waiting for street fights in Kiev. Poroshenko should take care of his personal guard.

        So already concerned, there is Semenchenko "captain of the Musketeers" wassat
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 8 July 2014 19: 23
      +8
      Quote: aleksandr-budarin1
      In this situation, "Maidan 3,0" is quite likely.

      So that there was a maidan, you need funding, information support. I'd. I had no hope for it ...
      1. Horly
        Horly 8 July 2014 20: 46
        0
        Exactly! But only many are not destined to understand this! Today Matvienko has blamed everyone but her loved ones! Or thinks that everyone forgot her fiery speeches after Crimea that Russia always supports Russian people? And what is the most obscene that is now being suggested that the people of New Russia are to blame! And many are underway. Further, when our economy begins to fly (preconditions are already behind the eyes), instead of the government, people will begin to blame again, and Crimea and New Russia will be dragged here (already trying) ... And again, a bunch of morons
      2. anfil
        anfil 8 July 2014 21: 45
        0
        So that there was a maidan, you need funding, information support. I'd. I had no hope for it ...


        There is someone to finance, a lady with a sore back clearly pauses ...
  11. Akvadra
    Akvadra 8 July 2014 18: 45
    +10
    It seems that the meat grinder will still rotate, grinding both our and enemies. How you want the blood to stop flowing! Not water, tea ...
  12. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 8 July 2014 18: 45
    +5
    The victory has already begun, in the history of military art Strelkov’s march is recognized as an outstanding maneuver by forces and means comparable only to the Kutuzovsky march on Tarutino: surrendered Moscow, but saved the Army and Russia! And now, more than ever, the question of what will happen in 2-3 months becomes more relevant! And there will be a complete - Parashenko’s hell and his freaks!
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 8 July 2014 18: 50
      +11
      I'd like to believe that this move is not in vain. And then the residents of Slyavyansk now you will not envy.
      1. anfil
        anfil 8 July 2014 21: 47
        +2
        Maybe the male population of Lugansk and Donetsk reg. will think about his future.
    2. Horly
      Horly 8 July 2014 19: 11
      +2
      And it reminds me more of the heroic passage of Suvorov through the Alps ... After the betrayal of the Austrians!
    3. Orik
      Orik 8 July 2014 19: 36
      +1
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      The victory has already begun, in the history of military art Strelkov’s march is recognized as an outstanding maneuver by forces and means comparable only to the Kutuzovsky march on Tarutino: surrendered Moscow, but saved the Army and Russia! And now, more than ever, the question of what will happen in 2-3 months becomes more relevant! And there will be a complete - Parashenko’s hell and his freaks!

      Full zoo, not provided by retreat. Strelkov needs the necessary resources so that he can conduct offensive operations in the field.
  13. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 8 July 2014 18: 46
    +9
    Strelkov’s courageous march to Donetsk broke many plans that were built on the basis of his heroic death.

    I also wanted to express it. All who condemned the relocation wanted the death of the militia led by Strelkov and the loss of Slavyansk. And still not all is lost.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 July 2014 18: 48
    +12
    Good, competent analysis. I want to add on my own that, in addition to the lack of barrels in artillery, the disgusting training of gunners is also observed. They can’t and will not learn how to shoot and suppress targets, which is most likely why shells fly into Russian territory, and randomly in the residential sector. They just don’t know how to prepare data for shooting, so they shoot anywhere. What does not excuse them at all - victims among the civilian population will not forgive them.
    The combined militia forces absolutely need to cut supply lines, and pay special attention to ammunition depots.
    They already have sabotage units, fuel and ammunition depots are a priority goal. With a shortage of shells, not only an offensive operation will become impossible, but even a blockade. I would recommend the anti-tank rifles that the militias have for attacking ammunition depots. For modern tanks, they are not very effective, but for racks with shells ...
    1. tank64rus
      tank64rus 8 July 2014 19: 01
      +5
      I absolutely agree with you. Beat fuel trucks, rail war, warehouses, night shelling, ambushes on the roads. As our ancestor of the partisans Denis Davydov said: "Kill and leave."
    2. tank64rus
      tank64rus 8 July 2014 19: 01
      +3
      I absolutely agree with you. Beat fuel trucks, rail war, warehouses, night shelling, ambushes on the roads. As our ancestor of the partisans Denis Davydov said: "Kill and leave."
      1. raccoon
        raccoon 8 July 2014 19: 23
        +6
        I support. It is also necessary to organize underground in cities under the fascists, to help them !!! Recent events and sabotage in Odessa, and especially with tanks that came from Kharkov after re-mothballing at a tank factory, that exploded along with the entire ammunition and crew !!! BRAVO! Well done men are Kharkovites, otherwise I already began to doubt that in Kharkov everything is the same ...... SORRY, SORRY !!!
    3. Kilo-11
      Kilo-11 8 July 2014 19: 15
      +3
      I do not agree with you, Ukrainian gunners are already shooting not badly and their shells or mines are exploding for a reason on our territory, believe me that is so.
    4. vlad-58
      vlad-58 8 July 2014 20: 53
      +1
      Learning to give installations for shooting artillery is not so difficult: you need education at the level of a full high school ... or technical school. in May I dragged them (militias) for a week this way (on a baseball cap with a visor) ... but ukrov, you see, there is nobody ...
      1. kondor-10
        kondor-10 9 July 2014 05: 32
        0
        Well, what's so complicated? -PIPE-15, SIGHT-120, FIRE! The artilleryman does not bear responsibility for where the slug was, this is the charter of the National Guard ukrov (if any)
  15. Oml
    Oml 8 July 2014 18: 52
    +3
    The American prostitute doll Parashaenko performs the tasks of the owners. Bought stupid bandits from UNOA, dressed in American uniforms, are ready to kill and rob anyone.
  16. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 8 July 2014 18: 54
    +11
    but voluntary recruits are getting more and more sluggish and without a spark - the bulk of those wishing to exterminate the "Colorado" is already in the ranks.


    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/507/muie103.jpg
    1. vezunchik
      vezunchik 8 July 2014 19: 02
      +7
      and our deputies in Donetsk with Kalash ... will immediately purchase weapons on their hard-earned money!
      1. Orik
        Orik 8 July 2014 19: 38
        +6
        Quote: vezunchik
        and our deputies in Donetsk with Kalash ... will immediately purchase weapons on their hard-earned money!

        Maybe then we will coast people, we will arrange a battle of parliamentarians and officials in general.
        1. kondor-10
          kondor-10 9 July 2014 05: 34
          0
          Do not touch ours. We have not stolen yet!
    2. rodevaan
      rodevaan 8 July 2014 20: 40
      0
      - At the forefront of them, such combat ...
  17. strimmer
    strimmer 8 July 2014 18: 54
    +2
    Time works against Poroshenko. Militias gain the necessary combat experience, the experience of guerrilla warfare. Of course, the regular army has more manpower and resources at times, but there is no ability to use them. Winter is not far off, and there will be no gas, as well as a grain harvest. Cold and hunger will defeat any aggressor.
  18. raccoon
    raccoon 8 July 2014 18: 54
    +7
    New Russia needs humanitarian aid, but because of the atrocities of the Nazis, it is necessary that the convoy with humanitarian aid should be accompanied by at least 4 tanks, 10 armored personnel carriers, a pair of crocodile turntables, and a couple of attack aircraft !!! And then declare: damn it ... equipment broke down, lost, etc. etc.!!! and there would be more such columns with humanitarian aid !!!
    1. kondor-10
      kondor-10 9 July 2014 05: 51
      0
      If desired, the militias themselves are able to organize a convoy for the captured SU-25, there will be a worthy pilot in their ranks, the main thing is to raise the plane into the air, which will mean depriving ukrov of "air superiority." At the beginning of the Second World War in 41, the USSR almost completely lost their aviation, however, by the end of the war in all directions, such superiority was obvious.
  19. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 8 July 2014 18: 56
    +11
    The United States will not pull the whole bankrupt country, and even leading the war. Europe is even more so.


    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/652/qsfv354.jpg
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 8 July 2014 20: 42
      0
      - Yes, what is the problem? Fritz will pay for all this! And if they don’t want to, we’ll make it! We will impose sanctions on the most tonsils - they will immediately want it. But no - so scare the Russians!
    2. kondor-10
      kondor-10 9 July 2014 05: 54
      0
      And, for this help, Obama is short for a real term, and, he will not turn his back on him.
  20. vezunchik
    vezunchik 8 July 2014 19: 04
    +5
    After a brilliant operation to free Slavyansk, the head of the Anti-Terrorist Center of the SBU, the legend of Alpha and the brewery on Osokorki, Vasily Krutov, was sharply dismissed without explanation. If the head of the General Staff was removed due to a brain contusion, then Krutov was simply written off. Well, just booze a lot. Not another legend was put in his place, but Vasily Gritsak. Not cop, and esbeushnogo. The man is courageous. Character nordic, sustained. Pocket Ping Pong Champion. In the protection of the "double bass" was not noticed, because the facts are not proven. It also happens.
  21. Impulsiver
    Impulsiver 8 July 2014 19: 04
    +3
    I share the opinion that in this situation, the militia needs to create sabotage groups with all the necessary equipment to destroy the enemy’s rear communications, along which supplies and create chaos in its rear areas. We also need careful reconnaissance with constant monitoring of the operational situation in order to destroy the enemy in parts, with preliminary cutting off the possibility of helping him and, accordingly, so as not to get into the fire bag themselves.
  22. vezunchik
    vezunchik 8 July 2014 19: 07
    +6
    This is me to the fact that the "victory" at Slavyansk more and more overgrows with some strange details. Roughly rewarding the uninvolved, the head of the local Ukrainian state read special analytical reports printed by the fourteenth size on two pages. It’s no longer possible, because the brain can’t stand it. Then he listened to reviews in the form of denunciations and came into a kind of neurotic state. Formally, even Geletey has nothing to screw up. Not only is a person constantly encrypted, he signs the oath with a cap from a pen, he has not yet developed a plan for a mysterious operation. True, Valera, as an experienced cop, even finding himself in the place of the main army commander, practically a generalissimo, began to insure himself. Well, you remember the tales of the pursuit of the riflemen in tanks and self-propelled artillery, fierce battles, mountains of corpses and burnt cars on the side of the road. The SBU special groups knew everything, foresaw everything, but could not coordinate actions, since they had run out of batteries in Krutov’s satellite mobile phone, which, incidentally, he did not know how to use. Yes, and he thumped, as usual. And, as a result, he was fired completely. They did not even offer the traditional post of deputy secretary of the NSDC. It’s so customary in the authorities: if you did it in a big way, then they don’t send you right away, but they are trying to use the accumulated experience in the Security Council. Fortunately there is Paruby, and he does not care. In general, it doesn’t matter, since for the first time in history, the head of illegal armed groups deals with national security issues. It happens.
  23. vezunchik
    vezunchik 8 July 2014 19: 08
    +7
    So, with Krutov, this “hero” of Slavyansk, we figured it out. What's next? And further, according to the ex-Minister of Defense Mikhail Koval, who now works as the "talking head" of the ATO, gives comments, and without a helmet, which is alarming, there is a well-developed, detailed and detailed action plan. With graphs and illustrations. The main goal of the plan is “to free the people of the territory of Lugansk and Donetsk regions”. So it is written. Do not believe - google.

    Now the General Staff of the ATO is solving a difficult task: how to make it so that they can launch a lightning attack on Donetsk, completely capture it before July 12 and push the failure to the "subcontractors"?

    People really are the main obstacle to "establishing peace in a united Ukraine." If not for them, then everything would have ended long ago. But, unfortunately, we have yet to ascertain their presence. First you need to establish a "full blockade of Lugansk and Donetsk." Do you know who thinks so? Swimming with fat on the very eyebrows, the pot-bellied "rocketeer" who hit the apartment building in Brovary, General Alexander Kuzmuk. The same Kuzmuk, who carefully polished all conceivable places for PR leaders, in order to get some position in the Moscow Region and complete the sale of military property. In principle, it was Kuzmuk that the militia owed the level of combat readiness of the Ukrainian army. But now Kuzmuk is a patriot and gives valuable advice on reducing the load on the soil in Donetsk and Lugansk by destroying living people according to a detailed plan. I am sincerely surprised: how can this hog climb out with his comments? However, with him. In the literal and figurative sense of the word.
    1. kondor-10
      kondor-10 9 July 2014 06: 11
      0
      So, it seems that Merkel herself offered them the "BARBAROSS" plan, and, for some reason, he did not suit them, but they agreed with Obama's "STORM IN THE DESERT" plan, but there are not enough strengths for its implementation, and partisans are militias ate like annoying flies.
  24. vezunchik
    vezunchik 8 July 2014 19: 10
    +6
    Now, the General Staff of the ATO is solving a difficult task: how to do so in order to launch a lightning assault on Donetsk, completely seize it before July 12 and push the failure to the "subcontractors"? Esbeushnaya part of the leadership of the ATO regularly reports to the Supreme Commander that everything is ready for the almost bloodless seizure of the megalopolis, but there is no confidence in the army units. CSKA reports that in twenty seconds they can seize not only Donetsk, but even a goat on a cart. However, the problem is in the esbeushniks and the Nationalgvareans, who do not understand the chain of command and often seize the same goats instead of following the instructions clearly. Svidomye patriots in the form of centurions, commanders of all kinds of "Azov", "Donbass", "Kharkiv" and so on, blame the military and esbeushnikov for indiscriminate betrayal, theft and unwillingness of "znyshyty voriv". This is a real alignment of forces in the upper echelon of control. Geletey met with "our Ryaba", which oversees security forces in the AP. The magic chicken made it clear to him that it was necessary to end with everything quickly. And all responsibility falls on him. The task of “Ryaba” is to coordinate. And to receive for everything should the Minister of Defense. Full-fledged. Valery said “there is!” And left in a nasty mood, nervously fiddling with what is usually fiddling with in such cases.

    To summarize. Shooters, really confused all the layouts. Disassembly began for a strange "capture" of Slavyansk. The General Staff gave birth to a plan to block Lugansk and Donetsk. For its implementation, it is necessary to further increase the size of the group to at least seventy thousand people. Plus at times strengthen the rear support. According to the most conservative estimates, it will take up to four weeks. When reported to Geleta, he felt something was amiss with his Cop sense. A half-hearted decision was made: to liberate intensively those settlements where there are no terrorists, and to report daily on the rapid advance of troops to the separatist lair. In order to destabilize the situation in megacities, it was recommended that “special measures” be taken to organize a split among the militias and to set them against each other. We also decided to use the most easily renewable resource - the “right-wingers” and the “Maydanovites”. The case is moving steadily towards the winter phase of the ATO.

    Author: Alexander Zubchenko

    #SaveDonbassPeople
    #DonbassAgainstNazi
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    2. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 8 July 2014 19: 53
      0
      Quote: vezunchik
      vigorously liberate those settlements where there are no terrorists


      And soon the release of settlements from Ukrainians in western Ukraine is expected. Corresponding papers were prepared by Poland, Romania and Hungary in accordance with the association of Ukraine with the EU. Restitution - in international law - a form of material compensation for damage resulting from an unlawful international act by restoring the state that existed before it was committed. I think about this narrow-minded and poorly educated Ukrainians on the Maidan do not even guess. Former owners or their heirs have the right to claim the transfer to them by the state of the ownership of real estate.
      And therefore, what has become Ukraine’s property after 45 years will have to be given.
      The Jewish community, led by the Dnepropetrovsk oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, has long and actively dreamed of restitution. Citizens of Romania, Hungary, and Slovakia have claims to Ukraine. We will also explain Lithuania’s interest: the descendants of the Lithuanian nobility are ready to claim property expropriated in 1917-1945.
      Tens of thousands of ethnic Ukrainians who fled from the Soviet regime to the USA and Canada are ready to make property claims against Ukraine. Until 1939, the entire historical center of Lviv belonged to the Poles.

      Lviv can easily become Lemberg. The city bore this name until 1918, when it was part of Austria-Hungary. The fact that part of Ukraine was once Austrian was already hinted at by the head of the Austrian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Christoph Leitl, during a recent visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin to Vienna.
      But the residents of Ukraine will have no time for jokes if all the “old” owners and their heirs seriously decide to regain everything that is due to them.
      And therefore, today the punishers are promised that they will be given land in the southeast. And the junta also promises to take property from the "separatists" and transfer it to those who are bombing and killing residents of Donbass today.
      1. kondor-10
        kondor-10 9 July 2014 06: 21
        0
        But this is also not an option, since Russia will demand its original lands, almost one third of the former Ukraine, which will suit all restitution.
  25. Bosk
    Bosk 8 July 2014 19: 11
    +2
    The shooters did not weakly substitute the dill, he took away the victory from them, those poor bombed-bombed and suddenly woke up and Slavyansk is "empty" ... but they do not agree to "play" in such "catch-up-ferrying" ... because there is no assault heroes, and if there are no heroes, then absolutely the edge ..., and they really need heroes!
  26. Dezinto
    Dezinto 8 July 2014 19: 12
    +7
    They are bursting to us. With Ukraine, everything is already clear, except for the east stubbornly resisting the fascists (according to old memory and tempering), it is again ready to welcome the "liberators" who do not prepare anything for them except the role of servants. Zadolbali svidomye frankly blunt, and stylized as all who are against the Kremlin.

    Woodpeckers. From the country they are preparing to make a nuclear cemetery. those. trash for europe and usa. Well, where it would seem more clearly hinted at their role. But no nenka blames all Muscovites in all troubles. Tired of it! Go .... on ..

    Look, let’s hang out with Poland, they’re the same. Terribly proud, no nichrome and ambition two buckets.
  27. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 8 July 2014 19: 14
    +5
    I do not understand politicians.
    Accustomed to lie in person, speak allegorically, divide the indivisible and exchange achievements for benefits.
    In war, this is all worthless nonsense.

    It is necessary to show maturity and wisdom.
    To tell the truth - Russia recognizes Novorossia and invites other regions of the former Ukraine to join Novorossia through referenda.
    Help New Russia, or rather protect it from any military influence, even from a slingshot.

    Accept sanctions from the "partners" and give the "partners" 12 hours to change their minds.
    If the sanctions are not lifted, introduce their own symmetric sanctions: conclude a friendship treaty with the DPRK, transfer the most modern weapons to it.
    Support China in establishing control over Taiwan.
    Help Cuba upgrade its armed forces.
    ...
    Well, think about how it is better to realize the advantage of owning gas pipes ...
  28. vezunchik
    vezunchik 8 July 2014 19: 16
    +15
    At first I thought that Zadornov wrote. But no, dill media
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 8 July 2014 19: 21
      +1
      Thank. Smiled. Ukrosmi - ukrosmekhopanorama.
    2. Sergei75
      Sergei75 8 July 2014 19: 27
      +6
      I hope Mirgorodsky Maxim Viktorovich will give the aspen stake!
    3. vlad-58
      vlad-58 8 July 2014 20: 44
      0
      Go master battle hopak ...
  29. cosmos132
    cosmos132 8 July 2014 19: 16
    +2
    Of course, if in two months Poroshenko does not solve the problem with the South-East, then a protracted guerrilla war will continue. Resources are absolutely not equal. Only the transition to intelligence and sabotage activities will equalize the chances of the militia.
  30. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 8 July 2014 19: 19
    +14
    What kind of victory are we talking about?
    Strelkov stated: "I see open sabotage in the approach of Russian top officials to the issue of supporting Novorossia. It manifests itself in everything. I believe that it is quite deliberate."
    "For my part, I endure deep gratitude to the Russian Federation, which supports us so" powerfully. "But I still hope that conscience, if it is found in Moscow, will still be enough to take some measures. Thank you ..."

    All clear? Donbass and the militia Moscow merged unambiguously ...
    And what steps Kiev will take, it is better to ask the American "partners"
    Ukraine, as it turned out, is more needed by America than Moscow ...
    1. vlad-58
      vlad-58 8 July 2014 20: 39
      -4
      Crimea entered Russia on the terms of Russia! and able to self-sufficient in many ways.
      and the DNI, and the LC that they offer? asking for military help? and join ... under what conditions? as dependents and parasites? we are shouting it now - we’re not abandoning our own, but how will taxes and fees rise, but wages will drop ... what can we say? sat on your neck?
      although I collected humanitarian aid there for the 5th time, I didn’t go this time myself, it’s hard for KamAZ to drive ...
      1. vezunchik
        vezunchik 8 July 2014 21: 13
        +4
        you have to rely on yourself. Organize the administration of taxes army banks. May they honor Lenin and Stalin! Kasygin learn. It is necessary not only to take power but also to skillfully dispose of it!
        The revolution must be able to defend itself - Lenin!
        1. kondor-10
          kondor-10 9 July 2014 06: 52
          0
          More precisely: -Only that revolution is worth something that can protect itself ...
      2. Tambov
        Tambov 9 July 2014 00: 39
        0
        although I collected humanitarian aid there for the 5th time, I didn’t go this time myself, it’s hard for KamAZ to drive ...

        Something doubts me that the "comrade" is from our camp.
        "Collected humanitarian aid for the 5th time"?
        Or am I already having paranoia?
        :(
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 8 July 2014 21: 11
      0
      and what do you expect from the bandits - they are with the Achmerians and Beni of one sense - to kill, to destroy, to throw ...
    3. kondor-10
      kondor-10 9 July 2014 06: 47
      0
      If it did, then the Mirages and Phantoms from reconnaissance and strike complexes razed the whole of Novorossia to the ground in a day, and two days before the start of the bombing, all the ATO participants would have been taken to safe places. After all, it is now interesting to evaluate the actions of the newly-made President as the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the forces of Ukraine. Well, and, in this form as Ukraine looks now, the "Tambov wolf" is her friend. America will not stand on ceremony with it either, it will confiscate everything invested, and will give the EU to be devoured.
  31. Eltempo23rus
    Eltempo23rus 8 July 2014 19: 20
    +1
    Quote: portoc65
    For whom the truth is behind that and the victory. What is the strength of the brother? .... and the strength is in the truth, for whom the truth is behind that and the strength ..

    It is naive to think so. Let's take the same Indians. Behind them was the truth. And where are they now? Who is stronger for that and the truth. The history is written by the winners, which in the future will be taken for the truth.
    1. vlad-58
      vlad-58 8 July 2014 20: 31
      0
      the story is not completed ... and Eltempo23rus is not Fukuyama ...
      Native American culture has not yet been thoroughly studied, even the genotype of the Indians is strange and unique. Is it in vain that there are so many legends about the spiritual superpowers of the Indians? whites came - so the Indians were not at all surprised at the concept of a single god, being natural pagans: well, yes, so what ... we know your god (Christ) - the Great Spirit Manitou! ...
      so - the future will show!
      here, for example, I have recently been getting the impression of human civilization as a whole that we, people, turned the other way on the path of progress ... it seems that at the end of the path there is a dead end, and it is close ...
      or maybe they are Indians, and peoples similar to them, went right? ... now it's too late to find out and measure, whose "beckoning" is cooler ...
      1. vezunchik
        vezunchik 8 July 2014 21: 16
        -1
        5 thousand years ago, the White Indians brought culture and a wheel! But they still have not applied to the wheel. Although, during excavations in the burials, models of carts are found.
    2. VPavel
      VPavel 9 July 2014 05: 07
      0
      Quote: Eltempo23rus
      Take the same Indians. The truth was behind them. And where are they now? Who is stronger behind that and the truth.


      The difference is that there was no one behind the Indians. All of Russia is experiencing the Southeast and it will not leave him. This is evidenced even by the full support of the media and diplomatic as well. Otherwise, there would be no such reports on TV - after all, the 1st and R-24 are the official channels of the government and they are the spokesmen of his opinion and mood. Now, if the media ignored the facts about the Southeast or did not escalate them like that, one could think of a drain. Back in March, they warned about the fifth column that it would undermine the opinion and incite to action, rush things and even threaten the Moscow Maidan. Well, the government cannot, with the help of the media, incite the people against themselves. It is necessary to give him calmly, carefully, to do what is needed, without any pressure. In this situation, you only need to trust more, and whoever does not want to let him go to the Southeast, and not blow up the Internet. Of course, it hurts to look at everything. But we know only the tip of the iceberg and see only tactical moves. And we will judge by the result.
  32. 123321
    123321 8 July 2014 19: 21
    +19
    18:00
    Of the men of Slavyansk who did not participate in the militia, Kiev forms a penal battalion

    The fate of men 18-35 years old, who took a “neutral” position, did not participate in the DNI militia and therefore remained in the city after the departure of Strelkov’s detachment, in the hope of a loyal attitude of the Kiev authorities towards themselves, is not enviable.

    Eyewitnesses from Slavyansk report: “From the residents of Slavyansk form“ penal battalions. At the moment, a raid is taking place in Slavyansk ... for men aged 18 to 35 years.

    After the detention ... they are invited to "atone with blood", namely, to go to serve in the ... army. As an alternative to this decision, they are threatened with execution.

    Military units are formed from those who agree, which are then supposed to be thrown to storm Donetsk. Well, "men" stayed home? "
    1. cosmos132
      cosmos132 8 July 2014 20: 05
      +2
      In a war of neutrality there cannot be a wall or a camp.
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 8 July 2014 21: 17
      +1
      and I’m talking about this - you won’t sit aside!
    3. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 8 July 2014 21: 59
      0
      If they are MEN, then it’s even good that they will be given weapons in their hands. Why forgive the unrealistic in turning these trunks against the junta ????
      And especially during the attack ???
      And especially at night ???
    4. VPavel
      VPavel 9 July 2014 05: 21
      0
      Let them arm better, maybe there is nothing left to be cornered and they will use weapons against the Junta.
  33. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 8 July 2014 19: 22
    +1
    "... opportunities that, under certain circumstances, will be able to play already for the militia." - we believe and hope.
  34. bda
    bda 8 July 2014 19: 25
    +10
    Everything is well calculated in principle, but the bad thing is that in reality over the past thirty or forty years it has not been possible to recall situations when the "rebels" would have won a victory over the regular army without full "outside support", around which so many copies have already been broken on this forum ...

    It is still bad that the further, the warriors will be coming out to gain some kind of combat experience: the gunners will begin to shoot more accurately, and the aviation will learn to coordinate their actions with ground forces, etc. (and the "hardware" in their warehouses - you can arm three of these Ukraine).

    It is even worse that the siege of megalopolises such as Donetsk and Lugansk, with appropriate mass media treatment of the population, can lead to a "riot on the ship" in connection with a sharp jump in "hardships and hardships" for the civilian population - history knows a lot of examples when "pan riots ", and not enemy attacks became the reason for the surrender of cities. By the way, pay attention, just yesterday Parashenka announced the launch of a whole new system of mass media processing specifically for the population of the Southeast (you see, American advisers chew their bread there for a reason) - even on television, footage from Slavyansk, already controlled by warriors, is slipping through the grandmothers, who were almost wild from the siege, openly shout at the camera: "Let's see - if the new authorities (right-wing people) give electricity and water, then everything is fine - and you can live with them."

    And one more thing: the flow of negative news from Ukraine has already "overheated" the audience (both in Europe and in Russia) and it is starting to cool down - the viewer is beginning to get bored. They fired at civilians, killed journalists, a crowd of refugees flees to Russia, either used chemical weapons, or not, etc. - for many, this already causes a desire to "change the channel", and soon the majority will have such a desire. This means that Bandera-fascists will have more and more untied hands - at least do something: fill in gas, grass water supply system, etc. - the reaction of the "world community" and Russia will be more and more sluggish (at the world level, Bandera-Fafshists will be covered by all sorts of Psaki and more serious "boys", and in Russia the "hands off Ukraine" party will work harder and harder again, what if Russia should disentangle everything ?! / let them figure it out - our hut is on the edge ").

    And there is also a "double-edged" factor: if a real "stream of coffins" of soldiers coming out of the army and just Bandera's supporters go from the South-East to the whole Ukraine, this can push the population towards the popular demand "enough is enough!" - "to hell with him, with this Donbass - we will not let our boys lay down there in stacks", or maybe, again with a competent PR approach (and Parashenka's American advisers are good professionals) - can cause an explosion of "popular anger" against " koloradov-vatnikov "- such that even if Parashenka wants to, he will not be able to stop the carnage" to the last Donbass citizen. "
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 8 July 2014 20: 49
      -1
      Quote: bda
      such that even if Parashenka wants to, he will not be able to stop the carnage "to the last Donbass citizen."


      - But "it's unlikely" (c). Then, I certainly don't envy Dill. If the miners go out on the warpath, (and they still spit on the war, and work in the faces) and they will change race cars and chippers to Kalash - they will drive all this Ukrainian army up to Lviv, where they will end everyone with their giblets.
      1. Shurshyk
        Shurshyk 9 July 2014 01: 55
        0
        Already left, put forward an ultimatum, formed a division, they wanted to eat, climbed back into the slaughter.
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    2. kondor-10
      kondor-10 9 July 2014 07: 03
      0
      Poroshenko will not survive until this time, and this cattle, Lyashko, will surely be shot at his own.
  35. Russ69
    Russ69 8 July 2014 19: 31
    +5
    The analysis seems to be normal. But why is it considered, only one side, with its problems in the economy and others. Or, what about the DNI and LC, there are no economic problems and everything is gorgeous. Kiev stopped paying pensions and salaries to state employees, and now how to feed them all? If we already count the money for the war on one side, then the other should be counted. In general, it is surprising that there are more articles in recent times, with one conclusion, we’ll wait until the fall and everything will go wrong. I would not really count on it ...
  36. Russ69
    Russ69 8 July 2014 19: 33
    +1
    Who cares, Strelkov is now live on Donetsk TV
    http://guzei.com/online_tv/watch.php?online_tv_id=3825

    Just about the problems of the republic, and there are a lot of them, and even very ...
  37. bda
    bda 8 July 2014 19: 35
    +3
    Many in the comments drew attention to the new and good form of Ukrainian soldiers in Slavyansk. And this means that the Bandera fascist machine is starting to spin up more and more efficiently - at first there were two bigger sizes in the header, but now everything is getting better, unfortunately.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 8 July 2014 19: 46
      +4
      Quote: bda
      In the beginning, there were two larger sizes of boys in the header, but now everything is getting better, unfortunately.

      They also learn to fight, the supply comes from all over Europe, plus the money amers. The flow of equipment that comes with the help of humanitarian aid from Russia is not even comparable in scale. And our government, so far only translates paper on petitions, statements and other crap ...
      1. vlad-58
        vlad-58 8 July 2014 20: 10
        -2
        supply ukrov from all over Europe? ... and p.i.nd.d.s.s.tan give money? ...
        with a huge creak and crumbs: it is already clear to everyone that the Ukrainians will never give back their past debts, the country no longer exists! and to generate new debts somehow "inappropriate" ...
        but in general, venality in genetic ukraine has always been, the same Cossacks: it seems that you can't refuse military valor, but - the homeland is where they pay ... they are the same now, even though "Quiet Don" remember, carefully reading: who I already wrote it there, I don't know (a talented person, of course) it looks like a brilliant "Chukchi" or "akyn": I sing what I see ...
    2. vlad-58
      vlad-58 8 July 2014 20: 19
      +1
      in the new form - this is "Dnieper" and "Azov", the rest - in motley camouflage ... even blue is, "sea".
  38. Rigla
    Rigla 8 July 2014 19: 36
    +1
    The author correctly pointed out that Bandera people are most afraid of casualties, therefore they need to organize these casualties. It is impossible to stray into the capitals of the DNI and LNR and try to defend them, since Bandera will not stop in front of hundreds of thousands of civilians and with Donetsk, Lugansk it will be the same as with Slavyansk - it will be erased. The correct decision to divide the militia into 2 parts - one in small groups from 1 to 5 fighters guerrilla and terrorizes the junta troops, and the second guards the settlements, then these parts of the militia change. IMHO the only way you can inflict heavy damage to the enemy precisely in manpower.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 8 July 2014 20: 52
      0
      - Donetsk and Lugansk will not be razed to the ground. Donetsk is a millionaire! Who will bomb the millionaire, you gentlemen? It is immediately a cross on them at all! There, just the living force will climb - and there will already be a battle face to face - and then it will already be clear what’s what.
      1. kondor-10
        kondor-10 9 July 2014 07: 12
        0
        It is unrealistic to conduct winning fights in urban conditions can only be conducted by well-trained small units. In a battle, the worst thing is when maneuver is limited and control is broken.
  39. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 8 July 2014 19: 43
    0
    War cannot last long. Time works for New Russia. Everything that happens during the anti-terrorist operation will soon become known to the broad, duped popular masses.

    Where is my son? Where is my husband? Where is my brother It will be impossible to hide combat losses, the results of terror and sweeps for a long time. Some will begin to open their eyes, while others will begin to hate.

    The West is not a bottomless barrel; it can count money. No one wants to invest bucks all the time in an adventure. Psaki and the like breathe out and pretend to be fools. Disagreement will grow among today's Western partners. Between the USA and Europe.
    The militia will gradually proceed to vigorous action, guerrilla and reconnaissance and sabotage war. Bit by bit, but will build up its strength.

    Kiev will be in a hurry. But without decisive and bloody actions, he is now unable to complete the ATO. But he does not need excessive publicity of his actions against the civilian population, this is not in his interests. Does Kiev have the guts to become the power of scumbags? Donetsk and Lugansk are million-plus cities. Here, one cannot do without special forces, but use the army — there will be not a hundred, but thousands of victims.
    For Kiev and the West a dead end in the war. Negotiations are needed.
    1. armageddon
      armageddon 8 July 2014 19: 54
      0
      Hmm ... I agree TIME and the financial situation of Ukraine is working against the Natsik ... Damn !!! Sorry for the people ... Sorry to tears !!! But the output is ONE-hold on !!! The hryvnia will collapse ... AND BEGIN ... !!! Natsik will have to jump towards Europe !!!
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 8 July 2014 19: 57
        +2
        Quote: Armagedon
        I agree TIME and the financial situation of Ukraine

        And can you find out what the financial situation of the republics is?
  40. dosyl
    dosyl 8 July 2014 19: 47
    +1
    Quote: Angro Magno
    I think so too.
    Only the people made their own adjustments to the plans.

    And I agree.
  41. bda
    bda 8 July 2014 19: 51
    +2
    Quote: Eltempo23rus
    Quote: portoc65
    For whom the truth is behind that and the victory. What is the strength of the brother? .... and the strength is in the truth, for whom the truth is behind that and the strength ..

    It is naive to think so. Let's take the same Indians. Behind them was the truth. And where are they now? Who is stronger for that and the truth. The history is written by the winners, which in the future will be taken for the truth.


    With all due respect to the Indians, but:
    - there was nothing to do cannibalism (is that their truth?);
    - to change the ancestral lands for glass beads, and the prisoners for a "statuette of an animal with two tails" (an enemy who recognizes a foreign civilization as better than his own is already defeated);
    - get hooked on "fire water";
    - interfere with strangers in their internal Indian showdown;
    - stand on different sides of the barricades during the showdowns of pale-faced with each other.

    In a word: a good lesson for us.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 8 July 2014 20: 59
      0
      Native American wars - it's also not so simple!
      It has already been proved more than once that when the Indians acted competently and harmoniously, the pale-faced colonialists had to take their legs off! In particular, the actions of the same Tekumze, a very talented, competent leader-leader, who, alas, realized all this too late and began to somehow organize the Indians. Guerrilla tactics and active coordinated actions, competent command and understanding of the new European weapons, the Indians could throw out all this horde of thieves, bandits and other Euros ford that came to them with a sword. Although, if you recall, Eurosand always always came with a sword to everyone.
      But alas, the Indians did not understand this, and accordingly the consequences were not long in coming.
  42. Russ69
    Russ69 8 July 2014 19: 55
    +1
    Strelkov is now live on Donetsk TV

    He listened to Strelkov, sorry not all had time ...
    But what did he hear;
    1. For the defense of Donbass, there are still not enough people, about 5-10 thousand
    2. Having announced mobilization, the issue cannot be resolved now, since there is nothing to arm.
    3. They plan, starting next month, to start at least something to pay the militia.
    4. There are problems with one-man management, but issues are resolved.
    5. There is practically no rear support.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 8 July 2014 20: 00
      +6
      Quote: Russ69
      He listened to Strelkov, sorry not all had time ...


      Now look and listen to this old senile, upstart and "field marshal" of the couch troops ..
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 8 July 2014 20: 16
        +5
        Quote: Apollon
        Now look and listen to this old senile

        It is bad that this radish represents pro-Putin circles. As a result, the conclusions are not pleasant, and they are confirmed ...
        1. No. 4№y
          No. 4№y 9 July 2014 00: 07
          0
          Do not lie - Kurginyan is an ardent opponent of Putin.
      2. builder
        builder 8 July 2014 22: 30
        0
        What a stupid person he is ..... embarrassing even somehow for him
      3. Simple
        Simple 9 July 2014 00: 04
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        Now look and listen ...



        Yeahhhh.

        There are no words.

        Digging the trenches at the front line of this demagogue doesn’t interfere with the trenches. Let him show his theatrical abilities there with a shovel.

        As I understand it, even in the plans for the supply of weapons are willing to earn extra money.

        If this video is not fake, then shitty.
      4. Deff
        Deff 9 July 2014 00: 29
        0
        And now, look and listen to this old marasmus, high and "field marshal" couch warriors ..
        Thank you for the video! And such cattle are being wiped off by the ruling elite!

        Bl ... pees ... ball. NO WORDS, only feelings!
        1. Simple
          Simple 9 July 2014 00: 45
          0
          Quote: Deff
          ! And such cattle are being thrashed ....


          It's not even about him, but about who chose him.

          A picture of a large swamp looms.
      5. Apollo
        Apollo 9 July 2014 01: 18
        +2
        Continuation of the video.
        1. Simple
          Simple 9 July 2014 01: 46
          0
          Quote: Apollon
          Continuation of the video.



          In fact, the second video is silent for now.
  43. Appius
    Appius 8 July 2014 19: 57
    0
    I wish good luck to the fighters of New Russia, guys hold on. Need to teach a junta!
  44. GHOST29RUS
    GHOST29RUS 8 July 2014 19: 59
    0
    Dill is better armed, but militias have fortitude
  45. vlad-58
    vlad-58 8 July 2014 20: 05
    +1
    in Kiev there are already food shortages, but for the summer ...
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 8 July 2014 20: 27
      0
      Quote: vlad-58
      in Kiev there are already food shortages, but for the summer ...

      And what kind of problems?
  46. raccoon
    raccoon 8 July 2014 20: 08
    +2
    go nuts .... ukr we do not disdain anything, collect data on people so that later they would be shot:
    http://www.anti-terror.in.ua/
    THERE ARE SCATTER !!! Let’s also help our FSB, add it to the blacklist of freaks in social networks, collect information from them., I think that then all this will be useful to our investigators, we know that they have all the means to do this and all the fascists are already under the hood, but at least we will help.
  47. Russ69
    Russ69 8 July 2014 20: 20
    +1
    08. 07.14:19. Message from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich. (Press conference).

    "The territory of the city of Donetsk is huge, the territory of the DPR is also large. It is very difficult to defend it reliably in conditions of absolute domination in enemy equipment. Approximately 80 thousand people would be enough to stop the Ukrainian army in all of Novorossia and go on the offensive. There are not enough militias, with the rear, we also do not matter, but we will fight with the forces that we have. "

    "Every man must make a choice for himself. If a man considers himself a man, he must defend his homeland. Not everyone is able to fight for their moral and fighting qualities, but for 3 a month for a mining region where there are many people accustomed to dangerous work , there are very few volunteers. Many would be ready to join the militia with social guarantees. And there will be such guarantees. In the near future, we will start by paying salaries in the amount of about 8 thousand hryvnia to the militia. "

    "According to the situation in Snezhnoye. There is a very strong garrison, including the Vostok battalion, with a very competent commander this time, who knows a lot about the military craft and competently distributes the fighters into positions."

    “I ask the residents of Donetsk to understand with understanding that people arrived here who had been under stress and death threat for months. Not all of the fighters were prepared to get to the peaceful city after the trenches. There were cases when some of the soldiers think that they are heroes, began to be rude and behave inappropriately. I again apologize for the actions of my fighters. We fight with carelessness with the most stringent methods. We will also follow the rule of law and severely punish serious criminal offenses and banditry. Women who commit such crimes will immediately surrender to field courts regardless of their attitude to the militia. "
  48. boomerang.
    boomerang. 8 July 2014 20: 22
    0
    The Donbass battalion, which has already passed two reincarnations, no longer rushes to the front, but wishes to fight in the “liberated” Slavyansk, where it can put all men into the ground without much risk. The logic is simple - once survived, it means either a separatist or their accomplice.

    This Semenenko did not need to participate in the war, but to obtain human organs for sale in Europe, which is more convenient for him to do in Slavyansk. am angry
  49. parusnik
    parusnik 8 July 2014 20: 28
    0
    The main ally of New Russia is time ...
  50. Russ69
    Russ69 8 July 2014 20: 32
    0
    KIEV, July 8 - RIA Novosti. The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC) assures that security forces are preparing to take control of Donetsk and Lugansk, and all special units will be involved in this operation. This was announced at a briefing on Tuesday by NSDC spokesman Andrei Lysenko, answering journalists' questions.

    "Preparations are underway for the liberation of Donetsk and Lugansk. Preparations are underway in a very thorough manner, because it is forbidden to use artillery and aircraft," the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN quoted him as saying. According to him, all special forces that take part in the battles in eastern Ukraine will be involved in this operation.

    At the same time, Lysenko said that the security forces possess information about the location of the militia units, their fortifications.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140708/1015198420.html#ixzz36tZgxsTZ