“The beer lobby is working, but we will try to stop this disgrace”

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“The beer lobby is working, but we will try to stop this disgrace”


Expert's opinion on what the easing in the alcohol market leads to

Recently, there has been a tendency to ease restrictions on alcohol advertising. On the pages of KM.RU, we already wrote about Dmitry Medvedev's initiative to recognize wine as an agricultural product, which opens up new opportunities to advertise wine. And just the other day, the State Duma adopted in its first reading a bill authorizing advertising of beer in stadiums.

Vladimir Georgievich Zhdanov, chairman of the Union for the Struggle of People's Sobriety, comments on this act of local parliamentarians:

- The beer lobby works! Unfortunately, it works very, very successfully. They break through this law, and other steps will follow. It doesn’t matter to them that children drink from this beer: it is important for them to get super profits. Children do not drink vodka, but begin with beer, and begin to partake of alcohol. That is why beer is the worst alcoholic product. If we start advertising at the stadium, then, as they say, the finish will come.

It is alleged that the income from beer advertising will go to the development of sports. So I know that alcohol advertising is prohibited in Norway, and they even thwarted one of the world championships, because they refused to advertise beer at competitions. The International Federation "went to the principle" and canceled the championship. World beer companies are very interested in advertising in Russia, and, apparently, they are now twisting the hands of FIFA in connection with the upcoming World Cup, which will be held in Russia. They want FIFA to click on Russia and we would allow this advertisement.

In the Duma, the first reading of the bill passed easily, but I think we will raise the entire public to ban this document. Alcohol advertising is prohibited everywhere, which means that this law cannot have retroactive effect. By the next reading we will mobilize the flow of letters to stop this outrage. Any anti-alcohol measures should be aimed at tightening, not at relief. But the permission of beer advertising is an obvious relaxation of alcohol addicts. Then there will be an advertisement for wine, and then for vodka. This is a trend: the alcoholic mafia went on the offensive and connected international organizations.

Let me remind you that at one time the resolution of beer advertising was not motivated at all. In 90, they simply adopted an amendment to the law regulating the production and circulation of alcoholic beverages, removing the item on beer from the forbidden list. As a result, broke out beer orgy.

They say that with the help of beer you can push out vodka. But this is the same as putting out kerosene fire: after all, vodka is one sector, and beer is another. There are vodka alcoholics, and there are beer. From a social point of view, low-alcohol products are much more dangerous than strong ones, because, I repeat, children do not start drinking vodka. I would generally ban the sale of beer and light wine, and then we would have coped with vodka alcoholism. They will say to me: what about the interests of beer lovers? And I will answer that there are both “lovers” of heroin and marijuana; so, where they once met, they no longer know what to do.

Take the example of Holland. I was in Amsterdam, there “they took into account the interests of“ marijuana lovers ”, and now it is a narcotized city. Every rabble from all over Europe comes there for a legal drug. The analogy works completely in the case of beer. Beer lovers, go to kvass!
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    1. portoc65
      -1
      8 July 2014 14: 18
      Well, how can it be without beer with a voblochka .. in the heat .. just everything should be in moderation .. and vodka and beer .. drinks like everything else in this life
      1. +47
        8 July 2014 14: 21
        Advertising alcohol should not be at all, completely agree.
        PS
        I will smoke, but I will not give up drinking! wassat Joke.
        1. suomi76
          +6
          8 July 2014 15: 07
          Smoking is more harmful.
          1. +6
            8 July 2014 16: 26
            Shaw then, shaw this ...


            By the way, historical facts: prohibition was introduced during the time of troubles, before the revolution, before the civil war and before perestroika. drinks
          2. +6
            8 July 2014 16: 44
            Quote: suomi76
            Smoking is more harmful.

            Living is bad. From this they die. hi
            1. +5
              8 July 2014 17: 22
              Quote: Nagan
              Living is bad. From this they die. hi


              I agree, even an absolutely prosperous day shortens life by 24 hours. But ... this does not mean that you should get involved in drinking, and even more so, smoking.
              1. +4
                8 July 2014 18: 43
                Quote: mamont5
                it doesn’t mean that you should get involved in drinking, and even more so, smoking.

                As for smoking - a very bad habit, including for the budget. I quit, and now just my soul is happy looking at the price tags of $ 8 and higher per pack (when I threw it was below $ 2). And looking at how people at the exit from the airport frantically light after many hours of non-smoking in flight, I remember that I also once suffered the same way, and thank God no longer pulls.
                Well, about drinking - just not everyone understands the difference between "use" drinks and "abuse" stop negative
            2. 0
              8 July 2014 18: 57
              Quote: Nagan
              Quote: suomi76
              Smoking is more harmful.

              Living is bad. From this they die. hi


              And not living is harmful. Even more harmful.
              y, and where to the poor Peasant ...

              And the ancients: est modus in procul
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        3. +2
          8 July 2014 17: 32
          Crap. In my opinion, the state should start with the quality control of both alcohol and tobacco products.
          And most importantly, deal with children.
          Open FREE sections, mugs, all kinds of pioneer palaces, children's camps, so that children are busy with useful work, and not hanging around on the street.
          I remember my childhood! I had no time to breathe! Studying, sports, social activities, etc. Yes, we ran into the porches to smoke, but ... There was tobacco in the cigarettes, not chemical dust! And do not carry nonsense, about marijuana lovers. Reminds me, an old army joke, today you went AWOL, tomorrow you drank beer, then tomorrow you changed your homeland ...
          1. asater1000
            +2
            8 July 2014 17: 53
            Zhdanov is right; in fact, we have already reached critical points, and we are witnessing this personally. But you can’t but agree with you, we must fight not only against the promotion of alcoholic beverages, but also to fight youth’s free time. from school to select in different sections according to parameters, some basketball, some football, some chess. It is necessary to conduct propaganda of an interesting, busy with useful occupations of life. Modeling mugs such as aero and hydro. Now unmanned aviation centers are being created, for example, it is necessary to train future operators from the school bench, how many young talents, gamers and hackers are in Russia. It is necessary to repel an idle lifestyle, and replace it with a good and a prospect.
          2. +4
            8 July 2014 18: 15
            Have you seen beer in stores? The same rubbish is chemical, even in our south it’s almost impossible to buy real wine, it’s pure powder. But I need hops for beer and where do they get it? Soon there will be no real wine in the Crimea. Like all the orchards and vineyards on the coast, they will grumble. And they will cut land for development and they will be revealed by the Moscow hapot, who considers himself supposedly an elite. I am for the Russian Crimea, well, I really do not want him to repeat the fate of the Black Sea coast of the Krasnodar Territory. And then they will appoint some kind of weaver as a governor, and this one, without a flag and homeland, will sell everything.
      2. +45
        8 July 2014 14: 32
        Quote: portoc65
        well, how about without beer
        And you try !!! Very good.
        And what would be easier to remember, gentlemen "patriots" with beer mugs, that 75% of the shares of all brewers belong to Western companies. And if you eat this product with sulfur dioxide and sodium benzoate, which does not spoil for months, you strike at yourself and bring fabulous This product (which has nothing to do with real beer) is especially harmful to women, because it contains plant phytoestrogen. And the female body, receiving a substitute, stops producing its hormone. As a result, a woman becomes male, we already have quite a lot of such individuals. the influence of phytoestrogen on a woman becomes like, loose with a beer belly. In addition, the alcohol contained in this product destroys brain cells that are excreted by the kidneys. So when you write after heavy drinking, remember that you are peeing with your brain.
        Quote: Mahmut
        Hands off beer - a sacred drink of the Slavs.
        RUSSIAN-MEANS SOBER. IT SHOULD REMEMBER EVERYTHING AND FOLLOW THIS RULE UNDERSTANDING.
        1. Alex_Popovson
          +12
          8 July 2014 15: 04
          Thank you, well done! The Russian man must get rid of the dangerous thought instilled under the kings that the Russian always drank. Huge thousands are made on this.
          But the cells of the shit brain for the first time I hear, albeit a doctor.
          1. +5
            8 July 2014 16: 08
            Alex, I’m a colleague ... I agree with you ... but what kind of fight against alcoholism can we talk about when a bottle of average quality wine is more expensive than vodka? It’s right that Dimon is not strange - good wine is agricultural produce ... although his concrete statement is not from a great mind, but in favor of the Crimean economy :-)
            1. Alex_Popovson
              +3
              8 July 2014 16: 53
              Oh, this drink was given to you, right word. No, of course, winemaking for the south of Russia - alpha and omega, that’s everything. But there is more talk about the moral and mental side of the issue. I’m personally radically against alcohol. There would be no good Indian ganja once a month to smoke, drink coffee or tea, chat with the muskers ... Most people still find it easier to drink this nasty poison, walk with a swollen face and stink. I don’t see for a long time, so that not only the youth, but at least the men of 30-40 years old looked decent, but I travel a lot in the subway, read it every day.
              1. Leprechaun
                0
                8 July 2014 22: 31
                Quote: Alex_Popovson
                There wouldn’t be a good Indian ganja once a month to smoke, drink coffee or tea, chat with duzi ...


                Shmal then hashish and then gerych or methadone - and smoked about once a month and that's okay, these are fairy tales for children from school and join the ranks of drug addicts.
            2. 0
              8 July 2014 19: 38
              Quote: vsoltan
              and in favor of the economy of Crimea

              and also affects the filling capacity of Makarevich’s pocket.
              1. 0
                8 July 2014 23: 07
                Something he is SO against ... taxes are different ... artiodactyl, forgive the Lord!
          2. 0
            8 July 2014 23: 09
            after alcohol, after a while the blood thickens, nutrition in the brain goes worse and neurons die like flies ... the heart of an alcoholic is 2-3 times bigger than usual because of thick blood ... etc.
        2. Old Cynic
          -4
          8 July 2014 15: 34
          And you are not afraid that your post will be recognized as extremist because of:
          RUSSIAN-MEANS SOBER
          ??

          The precedent was, you know ...

          And if you eat this product with sulfur dioxide and sodium benzoate ...

          And you, probably, drink exclusively natural ragweed and, sorry, gas with violets?

          As a result, the woman marries, we already have a lot of such individuals. The man, by the influence of phytoestrogen, becomes a woman,


          Wow ... for thousands of years people drank beer and didn’t bother with this ...
          Or maybe it makes sense not in beer, but in what it is now made of, eh?
          1. +8
            8 July 2014 16: 17
            Quote: Old Cynic
            And you are not afraid that your post will be recognized as extremist because of:
            RUSSIAN-MEANS SOBER
            I lost my time in the 90s ......
          2. +3
            8 July 2014 16: 19
            Quote: Old Cynic
            And you probably drink exclusively natural ragweed
            I don’t drink alcohol at all. Of the drinks, homemade compotes, tea, sometimes coffee, only home-made juices.
            1. Old Cynic
              -4
              8 July 2014 16: 23
              Is tea and coffee also homemade? without preservatives, emulsifiers and other things?
            2. +3
              8 July 2014 16: 39
              Well, without alcohol, it’s not the case either. You can afford a little, home spill.
              By the way, your nickname is interesting, Baltika 18. Thank God that is higher than 9, there is nothing more good
              1. +4
                8 July 2014 17: 59
                Quote: Stavros
                By the way, you have an interesting nickname, Baltika 18
                The Baltic is the call sign of my border detachment, the last 18 digits of the machine number and the number of the combat crew coincided. It has nothing to do with beer. smile
        3. Praetorian
          +1
          8 July 2014 16: 04
          It was also necessary to write the first part of the capsloc, that it was small things. Nobody knows these truths about white blood cells except you ...
          1. Old Cynic
            +1
            8 July 2014 16: 25
            And no one knows about brain cells in urine either! There, even the doctor Alex_Popovson was surprised.
            1. Alex_Popovson
              +1
              8 July 2014 20: 09
              You do not jerk. Everyone is now clogging the brain with information supposedly medically verified. If a person has read wrong, then it is necessary to correct, and not make fun of.
              1. +1
                8 July 2014 23: 26
                They clog their brains not with information, but with pseudo-information. So Chumaks and Kashpirovskies breed without any control. Pseudo-doctors from the student's bench and without practical experience inspire us from television screens about the benefits of all kinds of panaceas. So it is with alcohol: there is an order for the harm of alcohol, "scientific" justifications immediately appear. There is an order for the benefit of alcohol there are no less "scientific" works. So it is with smoking about which the late Professor Amosov said: "We must conduct propaganda - do not quit smoking, but conduct propaganda - do not start smoking" And Amosov is right, and all the rest is lies. We need to ban ANY advertising on TV.
              2. 0
                8 July 2014 23: 46
                They clog their brains not with information, but with pseudo-information. So Chumaks and Kashpirovskies breed without any control. Pseudo-doctors from the student's bench and without practical experience inspire us from television screens about the benefits of all kinds of panaceas. So it is with alcohol: there is an order for the harm of alcohol, "scientific" justifications immediately appear. There is an order for the benefit of alcohol there are no less "scientific" works. So it is with smoking about which the late Professor Amosov said: "We must conduct propaganda - do not quit smoking, but conduct propaganda - do not start smoking" And Amosov is right, and all the rest is lies. We need to ban ANY advertising on TV.
        4. Cat
          +1
          8 July 2014 16: 27
          Quote: baltika-18
          Quote: portoc65
          well, how about without beer
          And you try !!! Very good.

          And this is written by a person with the nickname baltika laughing
          1. +1
            8 July 2014 17: 59
            Quote: Gato
            And this is written by a person with the nickname baltika
            The joke is accepted. smile
        5. 0
          8 July 2014 18: 29
          At one time, there was a lengthy lawsuit in Germany: Bavarian brewers sued "chemical" brewers for the name "beer", which would be called only produced according to the classical technology, and with accelerated fermentation "beer drink" for example. It is clear that we lost. Since chemical fermentation ("chemical beer") is a cheaper process, the fate of the classic was sealed. At present, in Russia, the Morshansk brewery brews using the classical technology, perhaps someone else, but I am not "in the know."
          1. Leprechaun
            0
            8 July 2014 22: 35
            Quote: dr.star75
            At present, in Russia, the Morshansk brewery brews using the classical technology, possibly someone else, but I am not "in the know."

            Real beer is brewed but not so much. Real beer storage period of not more than 30 days. All that more than 45 days is 100% chemistry.
            1. +1
              8 July 2014 23: 14
              worked at a brewery for construction, the question of why do you need so much sugar? I was no longer allowed through the workshop
      3. +10
        8 July 2014 14: 34
        portoc65 (3) PT Today, 14: 18 ↑ New

        Well, how can it be without beer with a little vodka ... in the heat .. just everything should be in moderation .. and vodka and beer .. drinks like everything else in this life

        Just this in moderation leads to general degradation, starting with children when they are convinced that alcohol is in moderation, it is good and useful.
        Real terror has been declared against us !!!! am
        1. APS
          +10
          8 July 2014 15: 04
          The main enemy is yourself! And what are you going to bring yourself. And advertising cannot be explicitly allowed, it forms in children that it is cool, etc. It leads to sad consequences. It all starts small. Alcoholism with beer. And so that we would like it and we would like it more, manufacturers will try.
          Beer Advertising - NO!
        2. -5
          8 July 2014 15: 31
          Zhdanov is an ignoramus and a ram.
          1. Alex_Popovson
            0
            8 July 2014 23: 56
            Zhdanov is a prohffesar of unknown sciences.
        3. +4
          8 July 2014 17: 06
          The opinion about the "lightness" and "harmlessness" of beer is aggressively imposed on our society. Information is poured on us from everywhere that beer is a source of fun, success for girls, in life, in sports, so the most intelligent and beautiful of the company! City officials are throwing crazy "beer parties". In 2008, at the "beer festival" in St. Petersburg, 230000 liters were poured into the youth.

          We've been receiving recommendations on how to drink beer (sometimes even from "medical" sources) for beneficial purposes such as "fighting acne", "gaining weight", "getting vitamins." "Advanced" doctors recommend beer nursing mothers and, in a salt spoon - even infants!!!

          Modern medical science forms fragmentary, "kaleidoscopic" knowledge among doctors - it nurtures doctors "by the ear," "by the heart," "by the stomach," while a person is viewed as a jar of saline in which disconnected organs float separately. This is where the doctors' recommendations “drink beer for appetite” or “vodka for the treatment of ulcers” appear.
          But a man is a "Lego" constructor. A man is the most complex integral organism endowed with consciousness and soul! Temporarily "improving" the activity of one organ, doctors with kaleidoscopic idiocy "they destroy millions of living cells, a dozen other organs, the fine structures of the brain, the psyche, they destroy the organism as a whole.

          Meanwhile, studies of hundreds of learned physicians with true knowledge of person, as Entitiessuch as academician, surgeon F.G. Angles, (died in 104 year in 2008 year), who operated before 100 years, clearly show the extreme danger any alcohol poison, and beer first! for the human body.
          1. +2
            8 July 2014 17: 09
            Particular harm is done to the northern peoples, including you and me, since our body produces extremely little enzyme that breaks down alcohol - alcohol dehydrogenase. In the peoples of the Far North, it is not produced at all. That is why the Chukchi become alcoholics from the first glass. Integral information about the activities of the doctor Uglov is purposefully hushed up by television, the media, and is jammed due to the insane profits of the alcoholic mafia and other enemies of our country. Have you heard anything about "Letters from 1700 Doctors"revealing the catastrophic effect of alcoholization in Russia?
            1. +3
              8 July 2014 17: 23
              Beer advertising - its main target audience is young people who have not yet become addicted to vodka and other drugs,it's important to get them to take a first sip And the easiest way is to force a person to start poisoning himself with beer. According to GOST -18300-72g. and 5964-82. "alcohol is strong drug", causing first excitement and then paralysis of the nervous system. This was recognized by the world health organization WHO.However, in 1993, under Yeltsin (it will be remembered by night), this definition was withdrawn from GOST 5964-93 secretly, with the aim of unbridled alcoholization of Russia !!!
              1. +1
                8 July 2014 17: 37
                By drinking beer, you are not warming up the domestic economy
                90% OF THE BEER MARKET OF RUSSIA BELONGS TO WESTERN COMPANIES !!!
      4. +3
        8 July 2014 14: 49
        As in the old adage: We need to drink in moderation - said Jevaharlal Nehru, and we drink to the full - said Nikita Khrushchev. Of course, as in any business, with alcohol advertising you need to know the measure.
        1. 0
          8 July 2014 14: 55
          Hmm ... I have nothing against beer ... With a fish especially !!! But the campaign with advertising SURVEY !!!
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      6. +4
        8 July 2014 14: 59
        Quote: portoc65
        Well, how can it be without beer with a little wobble ... in the heat .. just everything should be in moderation .. and vodka and beer

        Here, most komenty write as if sportsmen and teetotalers are more so. More lycimeria than truth in most komenty.
        They wrote koment and rushed for a beer, yes men laughing
        1. Old Cynic
          +2
          8 July 2014 15: 42
          I agree to all 100500 percent with you, Dear!
          I don’t drink beer myself: firstly, I don’t like it, and secondly, I don’t know whether the “chef” washed his feet in the wort, or whatever, or not ...
          But I am enraged by the extreme and categorical judgments of some individuals in any matter ...

          People! The world is not only black and white, there are many more shades of gray (at least 256! wassat ) And, OH HORROR !!!, there are also colors, if not strange.
        2. 0
          8 July 2014 17: 55
          There is certainly hypocrisy, which is already there. For example, I perfectly understand that beer is harmful and advertising should be banned, but the company still doesn’t mind drinking dark with fish or meat, or even kebab. At the same time, I don’t touch it for a couple of months, as it’s not a fan. But the fact is that the most I drank in the army was vodka, moonshine, alcohol, everything that burns, I can’t look at vodka after the army. We understand everything in words, but barbecue in nature without beer or wine is not at all that. In general, of course, it is necessary to limit in every way, but a complete dry law is hardly possible.
      7. +4
        8 July 2014 17: 10
        Yes, Medvedev should already be driven out of the prime ministers, this comrade who has been promoting absurd bills has sat up
      8. +1
        8 July 2014 17: 11
        In-in))) ... "Sense of MEASURE - GIFT OF GODS" ....
        They can forbid everything of course ... they’ll forbid roach) they will say that the salts in the body are too much deposited))) In part, they are right with beer alcoholism, but the fact that a teenager drinks beer (a lot of beer) is educating him and his parents ...
        1. +3
          8 July 2014 17: 26
          Quote: juneart
          but the fact that a teenager drinks beer (a lot of beer) is the education of him and his parents ...
          And now a small example: the parents of the overwhelming majority of Russian-speaking Ukrainians had the same values ​​that we now have - Victory Day, a sticky attitude, etc. Where is it now? Who didn’t educate whom?

          If I tell my son that drinking and smoking is harmful, and the box and all the surrounding advertising will relish beer and a cigarette in Dolce Vita colors with heifers with legs from the ears and expensive wheelbarrows - guess three times what will bring him up?
      9. +1
        8 July 2014 17: 50
        the author of the article is raving. whoever will never stop a Russian person. if he wants to drink. to ban means to do it. only worse. one wise guy has already tried. they began to drink all nasty things. to drive moonshine. to sell with the addition of demidrol and is still being poisoned. how many vineyards have been destroyed ... whose wine there is no real wine. chemistry. not even for wine. . but cool wine agdam. port wine and generally all real wines will understand me. right now chemistry. children I agree not to sell. yes and advertising comes from people from communication. not from TV. then it’s necessary to prohibit talking to each other. idiocy is shorter .
      10. Ujin61
        -1
        8 July 2014 18: 02
        But is it better to shoot right away, to nurse? Children need to be interested in something that wouldn’t attract beer. A ban on advertising will not help.
    2. +19
      8 July 2014 14: 18
      ".... beer advertising revenue will go towards sports development."

      That's great!
      Drink Buddy beer, and stroke a sports belly!
      1. +9
        8 July 2014 15: 36
        Quote: nils
        Drink Buddy beer, and stroke a sports belly!
    3. Andrenaline
      +4
      8 July 2014 14: 29
      Yes, it would be normal beer, and then around one surrogate. Normal beer can be drunk only in Restik or a decent cafe. And young people will pick it up and pour it into themselves. Public beer one poison (
      1. +2
        8 July 2014 14: 43
        At the expense of advertising beer and selling at night, I completely agree ... I used to remember going to work in the morning near every shop, mountains of empty bottles horror .. This is the youth drinking Now everything is clean but they are drinking and I am also drinking ..))) ) And it all starts with advertising ... (remember "Klinskoe" mrorddezhi were directly driven into the head if you didn't drink, then you're not a tough person, etc.) add there) drinks It doesn’t kill people; beer doesn’t kill people)))) laughing
      2. +1
        8 July 2014 14: 46
        Here - to the point. It seems that the beer ended together with the USSR. What we now have to call the PMV "the language does not turn."
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      4. Leprechaun
        0
        8 July 2014 22: 41
        Quote: Andrenaline
        Normal beer can be drunk only in Restik or a decent cafe. And young people will pick it up and pour it into themselves. Public beer one poison (

        Are you sure that the restaurant serves real beer? There, mostly canned or powder is poured. So for the info. You can find out real or powdered beer only by shelf life; all that is more than 45 days is chemistry, all that is up to 30 days is live without preservatives. Threat beer itself is not a fan. But it’s customary for us to brew beer, make wine, make cognac, etc.
    4. +1
      8 July 2014 14: 39
      Here Trakhtenberg showed in his experience that it’s better not to drink it .. Although one cannot be bad about the dead ..
      1. +7
        8 July 2014 14: 52
        I have long been tied up with this addiction, and I have no regrets. I can enjoy life without alcohol, it’s verified. I quit smoking even earlier.
        1. +2
          8 July 2014 16: 21
          I will support. It’s better to live without alcohol and tobacco. Health, and so there is no superfluous, why destroy it, and even sponsoring all kinds of Americans there.
  2. -28
    8 July 2014 14: 18
    And I was there, drinking beer beer. Hands off beer - a sacred drink of the Slavs.
    1. +16
      8 July 2014 14: 28
      Since when did it swallow the sacred drink of the Slavs? Mahmut, you are carrying heresy.

      Our ancestors drank intoxicated honey - yes, that was the case
      1. avt
        +10
        8 July 2014 14: 36
        Quote: Lich
        Since when did it swallow the sacred drink of the Slavs? M

        Indeed, the current mass swill has nothing to do with beer, since everything produced in Europe in the 90s, which was imported here through various funds of Kobzon and Korzhakov and Tarpishchev, was banned for use in the same Europe. Today they don’t produce so much grain so that they can brew so much beer from it.
        Quote: ABV
        in addition, it is also scary that the so-called "modern beer" is NOT AT ALL the beer that we drank in Soviet times (7 days of storage). The complete chemistry is the same for many global manufacturers.

        Exactly - the then, spattered "Zhigulevskoe" against the background of the current swill - medicinal mineral water. laughing
        Quote: Gardamir
        You look at these busty pregnant men who think not about women, about "pivasik" and it becomes sad.

        Especially when in the heat they drink water, but the truth is that they removed aggressive advertising and somehow in Moscow they stopped massively running around with bottles.
        1. mazhnikof.Niko
          +2
          8 July 2014 15: 05
          Quote: avt
          Especially when in the heat they drink water, but the truth is that they removed aggressive advertising and somehow in Moscow they stopped massively running around with bottles.


          Never mind, now, thanks to the love of our government for football (?), They will catch up and "sales" will noticeably increase, the GDP (in rubles) will be raised, and, most importantly, the health of the nation will be ruined! This is for "Western partners" - the main thing! PS I wrote it, but "I did not run for a beer", because I have not drunk since my studies at the SVU and VMA. A field surgeon cannot serve with trembling hands. So I don’t drink and I don’t advise others - we will be healthier!
          1. +1
            8 July 2014 18: 25
            Beer companies are the main sponsors of uefa and fifa, and in 2018 the championship will be held here. Deny - there will be problems with fifa, plus we will lose a lot of money. And the fault is still simpler - they are trying to promote Crimean and Krasnodar wines, as there are a lot of things tied to them. I am now in Anapa, there are 12 wine shops on the street, but there are no drunk at all. People take, as does kvass for food. And of course, when asked what to bring, all adult friends immediately asked for local wine. In general, it is necessary to fight alcohol, but we must not forget that there are regions where this is one of the main incomes and due to this people live.
        2. Old Cynic
          +2
          8 July 2014 15: 47
          in Moscow ceased massively with bottles to roam.


          But from this moment you can read more, I ask you!
          Where exactly have ceased to roam? On the main streets, where there are a lot of policemen? On the Red Square? On Lubyanka Square? Yes there.
          Walk along Chistoprudny Boulevard first at about 19 o’clock, and then in the morning, at half past six!
          And you yourself will deny your statement!
          1. avt
            +1
            8 July 2014 16: 19
            Quote: Old Cynic
            But from this moment you can read more, I ask you!

            In the subway, people don't drink from their throats like before. Here at Preobrazhenka, the stalls have been removed and now, again, in large quantities, only when football on the "Locomotive" hangs out in the courtyards, again in the playgrounds it became less in the evening.
            Quote: Old Cynic
            Walk along Chistoprudny Boulevard first at about 19 o’clock, and then in the morning, at half past six!

            Well, I have to admit that I stopped traveling in the evening and at night since the closing of Jeltaranga, if this name tells you something. bully In fact, the described place, as well as one cafe on Myasnitskaya, has been a place for "advanced youth" since Soviet times, such "rebels - quiet people" with figs in their pockets.
            1. Old Cynic
              0
              8 July 2014 16: 33
              In the subway ... I agree.
              besides on playgrounds it became less in the evening

              SHCHAZ! Drunken screams until three in the morning. Pents deign to come only after dialing 02. Local OM - does not itch: "All groups are on call, free - they will drive up."
              if this name tells you something

              Absolutely nothing. I am by nature a homebody, in clubs, pubs and other things not a walker.

              And about Chistoprudny in the morning - the Uzbeks are in the soap, removing the bottles, whole and broken!
              Truth be told, as early as two weeks it has become cleaner, I repent. And before that - a full bouquet of packages from fishing (McDonald's), reinforced concrete Jaguar, Klinskoye, gin and tonic ..., bottles of beer for every taste ... From the metro - and to the Wellness Center, on both sides of the boulevard.
    2. +3
      8 July 2014 14: 33
      Quote: Mahmut
      And I was there, drinking beer beer.

      And there I was, and I drank honey ... and the scientist Cat His tales told me.

      A.S. Pushkin. Ruslan and Ludmila.

      What is with the Russian language, what is with Literature, a solid EG !!! negative
      1. 0
        9 July 2014 07: 43
        Read Pushkin in the original, not in the school version.
    3. +4
      8 July 2014 14: 38
      what beer are your hands off of? from this g ... and the powder that they sell at every corner? Ha ha ha This is not beer, but swipes ...
    4. +2
      8 July 2014 15: 10
      Yes, in the old days they cooked and drank beer, honey and other similar drinks. But do not forget that beer and brewed and drank mainly at certain times - seem in the fall, and not year-round and around the clock !!! I’ll also upset you - far from everyone was allowed to drink alcohol / strong drinks: we don’t even talk about women in this regard - that’s not all !!! there were quite strict age restrictions (and this is far from today's 18 !!!); until you took place as a father (3 children (healthy - not sick) - gave birth and raised / raised), or already as a grandfather (your children have grandchildren) - then you can drink a cup or two (respectively, for each category - a different norm ); and most importantly - there were restrictions on the number of drinks drunk !!!, and not as it is now - until the crumbs in the throat begin to swim. So while Russia did not begin to solder-what the Slavs did not know what alcoholism and drunkenness-because there was no such phenomenon !!!
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  3. +6
    8 July 2014 14: 19
    Yeah. It may not be worth prohibiting at all, but advertising is definitely not good enough. You look at these busty pregnant men who think not about women, about "pivasik" and it becomes sad.
  4. ABV
    +10
    8 July 2014 14: 19
    In addition, it is scary that the so-called "modern beer" is NOT AT ALL the beer that we drank in Soviet times (7 days of storage). The complete chemistry tastes the same for many global manufacturers. Modern Heinekens and Holsten (after Holsten bought the Baltic) cannot be distinguished from numerous Baltic and all kinds of "crowns".
    Indeed .... why advertising such swill? People who understand, will always find an "island of quality", but for those who try to drum it is harmful for them, just the same, advertising for "modern beer"!

    Fans of true beer, please do not go into polemics - it was only a question of surrogates issued as beer by enemy trans-national beer companies!
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 14: 22
      You, my friend, are not talking about beer at all.
      1. Fast
        +1
        8 July 2014 14: 52
        Cheboksary would have liquid bread until the 91st year of release, it was the best beer in the USSR!, And even if it’s forbidden right now, it’s forbidden to go out of the field and get cerrosis, but not for lovers.
  5. +1
    8 July 2014 14: 19
    Unfortunately, the interests of business are often put above all of us. There is no competent, thoughtful, even relationship to him. From that and small business in the corral.
  6. Rubmolot
    +3
    8 July 2014 14: 19
    Some beers cheat with chemical stabilizers. Then the beer ... looks
    - exhausted, supercooled, often without foam in the moment when the waiter brings it to your table.
    1. +1
      8 July 2014 17: 42
      1. Baltic Beverages Holding AB (BBH).
      BBH Holding was established in 1991 to work in the beer market in the CIS countries in equal shares by the Finnish brewing group Hartwall PLC and the Swedish-Norwegian company Pripps-Ringnes. Currently, the share of the Swedish-Norwegian company belongs to the Danish Carlsberg Breweries AS, and the share of the Finnish brewing group to the British Scottish & Newcastle. The holding began combining its assets, which consist of:
      Baltika Breweries OJSC, which includes 5 breweries, Pikra OJSC from Krasnoyarsk, which is being merged with Baltic. Vienna OJSC, which now consists of factories in St. Petersburg and Chelyabinsk (formerly the Golden Urals, and before that Chelyabinsk beer). Yarpivo OJSC from Yaroslavl and its Voronezh brewery OJSC. The holding owns the third beer market in Russia, with a quarter owned by the Baltic alone.
      2. Sun-Interbrew (SUN Interbrew).
      InBev Corporation, headquartered in Belgium, was formed in 2004 as a result of the merger of Interbrew and Companhia de Bebidas das Americas (AmBev). Currently, she completely owns the company SUN Interbrew, which was created to work in the beer market of the CIS countries. The company at different times acquired:
      1. OJSC BulgarHmel - Novocheboksarsk. JSC "Ivanovo Brewing Company" .. CJSC "Klinsky Brewery". OJSC “Kursk Brewing Company”. OJSC Perm Brewing Company. Volga Region OJSC - Volzhsky. CJSC “Rosar” - Omsk. . CJSC “Saransk Brewing Company”. Tinkoff in Pushkin. The company has 16% of the beer market in Russia.
      3. Heineken, the Netherlands.
      Bravo International LLC (renamed Heineken Brewery LLC) .. Volga Brewing Company in Nizhny Novgorod.
      . Shihan beer and soft drinks factory in Sterlitamak (these two plants were bought from CEPK, owned by Wimm-Bill-Dann, which left the Moskvoretsky brewery, almost immediately closed).
      . Sobol-Bir in Novosibirsk (Sobol-Bir is a workshop of the Winap factory, after its sale Winap pledged to leave the beer business).
      . Patra Brewery in Yekaterinburg. . Stepan Razin plant in St. Petersburg (the branches in Vyborg and Cherepovets remained with the previous owners and their fate has not yet been decided). Baikal brewing company in Irkutsk (Irkutskpishcheprom). LLC Breweries of Ivan Taranov. PIT includes three plants:
      1. Kaliningrad (formerly Ostmark).
      2. Novotroitsk.
      3. Cupid beer in Khabarovsk.
      Heineken's share in the Russian market is 11%, and taking into account the purchase of PIT, it is 15%.
      4. Efes Beverage Group, Turkey.
      The company built two Moscow-Ephesus plants - in Moscow itself and a branch in Rostov-on-Don. She also acquired the Amstar plant in Ufa. The latest acquisition is the company Red East with factories in Kazan and Novosibirsk. Ephesus owns about 10% of the market.
      5. SABMiller, South Africa. SABMiller completed its reorganization in May 2002 by joining the Miller Brewing Company with the South African Brewery. In Russia, the company owns one plant - the Kaluga brewing company, but with it it owns 8% of the market and continues to look for suitable objects for purchase.
      Thus, multinational companies own 85% of the beer market in Russia. Only one major Russian producer has remained - Ochakovo, which owns approximately 5% of the beer market.
      They have oil / gas, we have BEER, they have money ... it turns KABALA.
      PS In Latin, a bad beer-penis (joke).
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  7. A40263S
    +13
    8 July 2014 14: 20
    to ban and not to allow, I’m ready to vote, what is sold in stores cannot be called beer for a long time, it’s a chemical substitute that kills us, and who lobbies and skips such laws - enemies of the people, they don’t give a shit about the health of their citizens .. well, foreigners, they generally violet on the health of our children, if only it went loot ..
    1. +1
      8 July 2014 14: 34
      I agree!
    2. +4
      8 July 2014 14: 52
      what is sold in stores - for a long time you can not call beer, this is a chemical substitute that kills us


      That is, if the beer was of high quality and "live" and generally wonderful and natural, then it would not be a sin to advertise it? Is it just such a disgusting thing that they are selling it now, you can't advertise it? Did I understand you correctly?

      Beer and generally alcohol, tobacco and other narcotic substances are evil. Without halftones. Evil is. Dope brain and kills the body. The brain must be clear and the body healthy! Sobriety is the only true way.

      Good luck!
  8. +15
    8 July 2014 14: 21
    There is one more infection, a beer will be taken:

    A bill on restricting the sale of low-alcohol tonic drinks has been submitted to the State Duma of the Russian Federation. Nizhny Novgorod deputies proposed the sale of power engineers to ban altogether.
    The draft law "On restrictions on the retail sale and consumption (drinking) of non-alcoholic tonic drinks" was submitted to the State Duma on November 22, 2013.
    The explanatory note to the document refers to the growing popularity of "energy" among adolescents and, as a result, the damage that the consumption of these drinks in "excessive amounts" causes to the young body.
    With reference to the Serbsky State Scientific Center for Social and Forensic Psychiatry "(FGU" SNTSSSP Roszdrav "), the authors of the bill declare the emergence of addiction to" energy ", exacerbation of mental illness, harm to the health of people with chronic, cardiovascular diseases and so on.
    “Due to the appearance of cheaper power engineers in 2010-2014, the share of consumers of energy drinks will increase to 14% of the country's population. The average per capita consumption by the end of 2014 will increase to 1 liter per year, ”experts predict.
    The authors of the bill propose to ban the sale of energy to minors, to determine the place of sale of such drinks, and also to limit the volume of containers (up to 330 ml).
    According to the press service of the Nizhny Novgorod branch of the Communist Party, the bill banning the sale of low-alcohol drinks containing taurine and (or) caffeine in the Nizhny Novgorod region was supported by the agrarian committee of the regional Legislative Assembly today, December 2.
    “The tonic components of alcoholic beverages increase the risk of toxic, mutagenic and carcinogenic effects of alcohol on humans many times over,” the explanatory note to the local bill emphasizes.
    The regional parliament will consider the document on December 17. A complete ban on energy was introduced in the Krasnodar Territory in September 2012, the communists added.
    Source: http://www.nn.ru/news/society/v_nizhegorodskoy_oblasti_predlozhili_zapretit_prod
    azhu_energetikov.html
    1. +11
      8 July 2014 14: 31
      Quote: Gomunkul
      A bill to limit the sale of low-alcohol tonic drinks has been introduced. Nizhny Novgorod deputies proposed the sale of power engineers to ban altogether.

      Completely, kicking, for. And also introduce the concept of low-alcohol drinks, introduce the responsibility for distribution.
    2. avt
      +2
      8 July 2014 14: 41
      Quote: Gomunkul
      There is another infection, n

      Well, this is generally a drug diluted with water and flavored with sugar! It's enough to just read the fine print on the can, but today's highs don't even have the mind to even strain, read and think for five minutes about what they pour into themselves! Than "to relax" 300ml of this nasty - drink a bottle of vodka without a snack, and then there is less damage to health than from "power engineers"
  9. +2
    8 July 2014 14: 22
    If you want to save moral and physical strength, drink Zhiguli beer, strengthens your chest and shoulders (In Ivanov)
    1. +2
      8 July 2014 14: 41
      "Great mighty Russian language!" laughing
  10. 7776665554
    +8
    8 July 2014 14: 26
    The reason is one and only - corrupt deputies.
  11. +2
    8 July 2014 14: 28



    laughing Specially on the topic. wassat
  12. +4
    8 July 2014 14: 29
    It would be better to have banned swill, from powders and chemistry, which for some reason we call beer. Normal live beer, in moderation, can even be useful.
    I agree, there should not be an advertisement for alcoholic beverages. Personally, I don’t drink what and I wish you.
  13. +1
    8 July 2014 14: 30
    Boil homemade drinks, pick up old recipes. Not immediately, but you will find your beloved, but double-cleansing moonshine on oak bark (for 6 months insisted 50 liters in a burnt oak barrel) is similar to Chivas rigal !!!)))
  14. Cardenas
    +3
    8 July 2014 14: 30
    Mendel’s time to resign, he’ll like some kind of interest, if he lobbies the interests of beer magnates
  15. Gray Ural
    +2
    8 July 2014 14: 32
    It is necessary to displace beer from store shelves, as all major breweries in Russia were bought by foreigners and the money goes over the hill.
  16. +1
    8 July 2014 14: 32
    Who owns beer in Russia:
    1. Baltic Beverages Holding AB (BBH).
    BBH Holding was established in 1991 to work in the beer market in the CIS countries in equal shares by the Finnish brewing group Hartwall PLC and the Swedish-Norwegian company Pripps-Ringnes. Currently, the share of the Swedish-Norwegian company belongs to the Danish Carlsberg Breweries AS, and the share of the Finnish brewing group to the British Scottish & Newcastle. The holding began combining its assets, which consist of:
    1-5. Baltika Breweries OJSC, which includes 5 breweries - in St. Petersburg, Tula (formerly TAOOPiN), Rostov-on-Don (formerly New Dawn), and newly rebuilt - near Samara and Khabarovsk.
    6. OAO Pikra from Krasnoyarsk, which is in the process of merging with the Baltic.
    7-8. Vienna OJSC, which now consists of factories in St. Petersburg and Chelyabinsk (formerly the Golden Urals, and before that Chelyabinsk beer).
    9-10. Yarpivo OJSC from Yaroslavl and its Voronezh brewery OJSC.
    The holding owns the third beer market in Russia, with a quarter owned by the Baltic alone. The holding also holds a significant market share in the Baltic states (Svyturys - Utenos, Saku, Aldaris), Ukraine (Slavutich - with factories in Zaporizhia and Kiev and the Lviv brewery) and in Kazakhstan (Irbis).
    2. Sun-Interbrew (SUN Interbrew).
    InBev Corporation, headquartered in Belgium, was formed in 2004 as a result of the merger of Interbrew and Companhia de Bebidas das Americas (AmBev). Currently, she completely owns the company SUN Interbrew, which was created to work in the beer market of the CIS countries. The company at different times acquired:
    1. OJSC BulgarHmel - Novocheboksarsk.
    2. JSC "Ivanovo Brewing Company".
    3. CJSC “Klinsky brewery”.
    4. OAO Kursk Brewing Company.
    5. OJSC Perm Brewing Company.
    6. OJSC “Volga Region” - Volzhsky.
    7. CJSC “Rosar” - Omsk.
    8. CJSC “Saransk Brewing Company”.
    Currently, the purchase of Tinkoff factories in Pushkin has been completed. And vice versa - Bavaria OJSC from St. Petersburg was sold.
    The company has 16% of the beer market in Russia. In Ukraine, her business is even more successful, where she owns first-class factories of Desna CJSC (Chernigov), Rogan OJSC (Kharkov), Yantar OJSC (Nikolaev) and a third of the Ukrainian beer market.
  17. 0
    8 July 2014 14: 32
    Quote: Rubmolot
    Some beers cheat with chemical stabilizers. Then the beer ... it looks - exhausted, supercooled, often without foam at the moment when the waiter brings it to your table.

    In the Czech Republic, the beer culture is super, at a price 2 times cheaper than ours, but at the same time, the quality of even the cheapest varieties is quite tolerable ... And the head does not hurt. I remember in the modest town of Pardubice (about 20 thousand people) there were 132 breweries in the last century. I am not talking about Pilsen and Prague at all. On the "Soviet" balconies, as a rule, there is an armchair and a mini-table for a mug of beer. Cafes in the evening are full of people, some drinking a glass of beer, some stronger, even schoolchildren, but I haven't seen drunk people. Absolutely. Although beer is cheaper than mineral water. At the same time, football in the Czech Republic is not very popular, here is hockey ...

    It is necessary to create competition, a culture of consumption and production. And also it is necessary to simplify the procedures for defending our rights, otherwise we can sue for everything, only life is not enough to defend our rights to all officials and unscrupulous private traders.
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 15: 33
      Well, about the prices for beer you turned down, but the quality of Czech beer is YES !!! I am not a beer lover, I prefer cognac, but in the Czech Republic I always have fun. Especially with the "devil's snack" !!!
  18. 0
    8 July 2014 14: 32
    Yes, it would still be normal beer! One G. .. sell! Chemical, powder .. This swill is generally better not to drink, although I myself love this drink! You have to look for recipes for making homemade beer on the Internet, and believe me, yours is 1000 times better than this g.a!
  19. +3
    8 July 2014 14: 33
    3. Heineken, the Netherlands.
    The largest world brewing company has long been content in Russia with the purchase of one factory in St. Petersburg - Bravo International LLC (renamed Heineken Brewery). But during 2004-2005, the company began to actively buy regional manufacturers and now it owns:
    1. Volga Brewing Company in Nizhny Novgorod.
    2. The Shihan beer-soft drinks plant in Sterlitamak (these two plants were bought from CEPK, owned by Wimm-Bill-Dann, which left the Moskvoretsky brewery, almost immediately closed).
    3. Sobol-Bir in Novosibirsk (Sobol-Bir is a workshop of the Vinap factory, after its sale Vinap pledged to leave the beer business).
    4. Brewery Patra in Yekaterinburg.
    5. The Stepan Razin plant in St. Petersburg (the branches in Vyborg and Cherepovets remained with the previous owners and their fate has not yet been decided).
    6. The Baikal brewing company in Irkutsk (Irkutskpishcheprom).
    The last purchase of the company (which is being finalized) is Ivan Taranov Brewery LLC. PIT includes three plants:
    1. Kaliningrad (formerly Ostmark).
    2. Novotroitsk.
    3. Cupid beer in Khabarovsk.
    Heineken's share in the Russian market is 11%, and taking into account the purchase of PIT, it is 15%. In Kazakhstan, the company owns the Dinal factory.
    4. Efes Beverage Group, Turkey.
    The company built two Moscow-Ephesus plants - in Moscow itself and a branch in Rostov-on-Don. She also acquired the Amstar plant in Ufa. The latest acquisition is the company Red East with factories in Kazan and Novosibirsk. Ephesus owns about 10% of the market. The company also had a plant in Ukraine (in Odessa) and now it owns factories in Moldova (Vitanta) and Kazakhstan (Ephesus-Karaganda).
    5. SABMiller, South Africa. SABMiller completed its reorganization in May 2002 by joining the Miller Brewing Company with the South African Brewery. In Russia, the company owns one plant - the Kaluga brewing company, but with it it owns 8% of the market and continues to look for suitable objects for purchase.

    Thus, multinational companies own 85% of the beer market in Russia.
  20. +2
    8 July 2014 14: 34
    own observations. going out with my family in the evening I often notice that there are much more girls and smokers drinking beer. often a picture when a guy goes with a girl, a girl smokes. the opposite is true. literally yesterday, at about 21 p.m., passing by the school, I saw a large number of young children hanging on a horizontal bar, chasing the ball with an elastic band. and the guys are 00-15 years old. In my time at the same age, this was not. so who should drink and smoke, who should play sports ...
  21. +3
    8 July 2014 14: 34
    Give you, prohibitors, freedom, you are ready to prohibit everything: lace women's panties, stiletto heels, mat, smoking. You will forbid us to breathe so soon. We must fight bad habits among children and adolescents! Why are you tormenting us "veterans of the Battle of Kulikovo"? How do you want to remake us? Well, I love a mug, another with a fish to wave, and what, your enemy now ??? Even the Bolsheviks at one time did not think of such a genocide as you with smoking!
    1. +5
      8 July 2014 15: 04
      Well, I love a mug, another with a fish to wave, and what, the enemy is now to you ???

      Yes you! No, of course, not an enemy. Moreover, the vast majority of my friends drink alcohol. I do not ask to drop this infection - it is your right.
      It is necessary to fight against bad habits among children and adolescents!

      That is, you leave me the right to protect my children from beer advertising? That's good.
  22. +1
    8 July 2014 14: 37
    What prevents to increase excise taxes at times and raise the minimum ceiling to the maximum limit, so that young shoots can scrape together a little beer for a little beer?
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 15: 08
      Children need to explain that drinking alcohol is unnecessary, cool, nasty, and dangerous. That sobriety is cool, great, enviable, respect. If they have a goal - to drink, they will achieve it, no matter how much the beerman costs. If the goal is sobriety, you can give it to them for free, they will not take it, and even mock the drinker.
    2. Old Cynic
      0
      8 July 2014 16: 42
      On a pivasik, then, maybe, they won’t scrape together.
      Then, with tears counting the change in your pocket, they will again return to the "Moment" glue, to nitro paint, to stain removers!

      How did you get it, prohibitors! The easiest way: "Forbid", "Restrict", "Do not let go" !!!
      Have you tried to think about what to do with youth? So that she does not stagger in search of a pivasik, but somewhere and does something.
      For example, free circles, as in Soviet times, with a teacher on a state salary. And then from the fact that they did not break, there were miserable units.
      1. 0
        8 July 2014 17: 00
        That's right in the army. A fighter idle is a potential raider. A teenager is idle and even more so! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6UyNkrj_Cs
    3. Leprechaun
      0
      8 July 2014 23: 12
      Quote: abc_02
      What prevents to increase excise taxes at times and raise the minimum ceiling to the maximum limit, so that young shoots can scrape together a little beer for a little beer?

      It was already the last time Gorbachev’s struggle, ravaged entire regions, killed winemaking and vineyards, which incidentally were at the level of French winemaking. Cognac plants destroyed. thousands of winemakers became unemployed. It all ended with the fact that the people completely lost the culture of drinking high-quality drinks and slipped to the use of sivuha and denatured alcohol and all sorts of tincture of accordion. And beer alcoholism, by the way, has just a history from those times. Forgot the culture of wine drinking. By his decrees, Medvedev again began to kill legal winemakers and opened the way to thousands of substitutes who simply would not soon have competitors among traditional producers ... We always have everything in one place.

      I don’t know how in other regions, and we have practically no drunks on the streets, it’s forbidden to sell alcohol from 22 p.m. to 00 a.m. and for a long time, I don’t sell alcohol and tobacco to adults. I really can’t buy it, and if you look young you don’t passports will not be sold, for all under the age of 10 there is a curfew from 18-22. The easiest way to ban is to put things in order in this area, officials haven’t been forbidden to do anything and live as you like. And you need to move the order to put it on the booty to distract yourself from pressing bureaucratic affairs, how to get a rollback where to start the paw, etc. IMHO
  23. 0
    8 July 2014 14: 41
    They drank, they drink and will drink!
    The point is to limit and prohibit, because it has long been proven that the forbidden fruit is sweet. You need to make a good, high-quality product. At the same time, lower food prices. As comrade S. said to the question about excise taxes on alcohol - "Let our man eat well, and then decide whether to drink or not drink."
    This is a much more complex issue and cannot be solved by stupid "vows". We need to think wider and more spacious. But it's much easier to ban ads, isn't it?
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 15: 14
      I do not agree! Like eat and drink there will be no desire ?! This factor clearly does not affect the absorption of alcohol. It’s just that many people already have a stereotype so deep in their heads that they need a beer. Beer chests are on every corner. And more than once you see a picture when parents with children drink beer in the middle of the week. And what starts on Friday ...! To remove the affordability of the purchase, plus maintenance, and preferably a state wash for a healthy lifestyle.
      1. -2
        8 July 2014 15: 25
        Quote: abc_02
        Like eat and drink there will be no desire ?!

        Do not drink on an empty stomach. Do not drink "mumble" (or sivukha or other third-rate muck).
        Do not use immensely, but be content with a reasonable measure. (pah, I'm in a sermon).

        In general, if you drink rationally, and not get drunk like a pig, then this is quite possible.

        Quote: abc_02
        Remove purchase availability

        Take it away - they will trade from under the floor. Moonshine will begin to drive (and you need to know how to do it) You are right about support. But the support should be extensive, and not prohibit advertising. And then it's like "Well, let's make the inscription Smoking kills and smoke?"
        1. +3
          8 July 2014 15: 51
          Your arguments are standard and erroneous.
          Don't drink "mumble"

          So nobody drinks. It's just that if there is no money at all, then "Troyar" from chatter will quickly retrain into an elite drink. Man is made like that.
          settle for reasonable measure

          Believe me, the person lying in a puddle and shouting some heresy drank in moderation. He has such a "reasonable measure". If there is no clear clarity, then this most reasonable measure simply does not exist. This is a spell that no one really understands, but everyone repeats.
          Take it away - they will trade from under the floors

          So by your logic, opiates can also be advertised on TV and sold on every corner? After all, they sell them, despite the criminal liability. So? An erroneous message from the category "Why cut your nails, they will grow back anyway." The state has the following duty - it takes care of the life and health of its citizens.
          You are right about support. But the support should be extensive, and not ban advertising.

          This is also a spell. About the uncle who will fly in a blue helicopter and support the temperance movement, and I will continue to think that alcohol is good, continue to drink. But when all around is suddenly abandoned, then of course, I am for a good cause.
          Throw alcohol, my friend, this is evil. You can live well without him, even better than with him. Can't stop it? Friends do not accept? Do not understand? Did you put in ignore? Better to drink than that? Okay. Nobody can forbid you to drink. Then stop writing nonsense in the comments, defending evil, simply because you can’t escape.
          1. -2
            8 July 2014 17: 20
            Quote: kolyhalovs
            So nobody drinks. It's just that if there is no money at all, then "Troyar" from chatter will quickly retrain into an elite drink. Man is made like that.

            Pay attention to the quotation marks. I didn’t mean something in the spirit of cologne or other nastiness, but that there can be no normal beer and wine. I won’t say anything about beer - I haven’t been to the Russian Federation for a long time, but the wine is Australian, the most graceful MonteKlar is impossible to drink. The only option that is used (and quite budget) Chilean Amigo.
            And beer is also disgusting - there are five varieties excluding imports, of which you can drink only one - the rest is chemistry soluble from a bag. We think about cooking our own.

            Quote: kolyhalovs
            if there is no clear clarity, then this most reasonable measure simply does not exist

            So explain. For me, you can drink one or two bottles after a hard day. Drink a crate of beer for three on a weekend in nature with friends during barbecue.
            You have proposed an extreme. But if we go to extremes, then we are all killers from the moment of birth.

            Quote: kolyhalovs
            can opiates be advertised on tv and sold on every corner?

            But don't they sell them without ads? Do not go to extremes.

            Quote: kolyhalovs
            This is also a spell.

            And again you go to extremes. The world is not divided into pure white and pure black. There is no such thing. And give it to you or this or that. It's impossible.
            What I'm talking about - We need a program that will have a lasting effect on people's consciousness. We were stuffed for a long time about drinking and it turned out, now we need the opposite action, which will definitely slowly and surely drip onto the brains of the public. And what to ban just looks like baby talk: I close my eyes - the problem disappears.

            Quote: kolyhalovs
            Friends do not accept? Do not understand? Did you put in ignore? Better to drink than that?

            If you have such problems, I feel sorry for you.

            Quote: kolyhalovs
            Then stop writing nonsense in the comments, defending evil, simply because you can’t escape.

            I express my opinion on this resource, but do not deny that there may be another. For example, yours. By the way, expressing it, I do not violate the laws of ethics, morality or legal right down to the rules of the resource. You express YOUR opinion, but at the same time for some reason you think that the right to tell me what to do.
            And yes, by the way, I know my measure and no one in my life told me that I drink a lot or a little. I drink when I want and what I want. It all depends on the mood. I can drink tea in the company of drinkers and in it I will also be happy.
            By the way, your slogan can be reduced: Kill the drunk - save the country. Don’t you find that billions are being mown out under such slogans?
            1. 0
              9 July 2014 08: 27
              I did not minus your comment, but after the answer

              By the way, your slogan can be reduced: Kill the drunk - save the country. Don’t you find that billions are being mown out under such slogans?


              put -. Oh my god, you are mine! This is where I wrote such a slogan? And everything else that you wrote in the answer has nothing to do with my text. I used extreme manifestations only to illustrate the principles by which everything revolves (so more clearly), but you do not see the principles, you only see the illustration ...
              Well, stay in your upside-down world of illusion. Unfortunately, there are too many people like you, I have already got used to their presence. But thank God it is getting smaller. On my account there is one "killed drunk" - my friend is now also a teetotaler. The rest of my friends continue to use, but since we are, we do not consider sobriety to be an anomaly. And this is good.

              Here is the slogan for you - "Kill the drunkard IN YOURSELF - save the country!"

              CT
      2. -3
        8 July 2014 15: 37
        Correctly!!! And prohibit the sale of axes in construction stores, and it’s over there ... an old student stuck with Fedor Mikhailovich!
        1. -1
          8 July 2014 17: 23
          Do you know that by touching a person you transmit billions of germs and put your life at risk? Is it worth it to cut off your hands so as not to touch? or better to do napalm heat treatment ...
          (it's sarcasm)
  24. ufa1000
    -1
    8 July 2014 14: 44
    Beer all over the head
  25. Stypor23
    +1
    8 July 2014 14: 53
    Stop it. Refrigerators with beer, cover with a rag that's the whole struggle.
  26. raz78
    +2
    8 July 2014 14: 53
    Sports and beer are not compatible at all.
    1. +1
      8 July 2014 15: 14
      As our Olympic champion Nikolay Andrianov used to say: "Whoever does not smoke or drink is not an athlete, but a sportsman!"
  27. +2
    8 July 2014 14: 55
    Beer alcoholism is much worse than vodka. This is expressed anatomically.
    1. +1
      8 July 2014 15: 16
      That's right, there are enzymes in beer that are similar in action to estrogens (female hormones). And what can a MAN turn into?
      1. 0
        8 July 2014 15: 48
        That's it, I agree.
  28. -1
    8 July 2014 14: 55
    A yab would now have a cup! At least a demon with advertising (but better with fish). wassat
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 15: 12
      Darkness ... Czechs, connoisseurs and lovers of beer believe that beer is good for crackers, attention !, with garlic !!! And the fish beats off the aroma of beer. What ...
      1. Cat
        0
        8 July 2014 16: 34
        Quote: Sanglier
        And the fish beats off the aroma of beer. What ...

        This is a matter of priority: beer with fish or fish with beer.
        I love fish more. Yes
  29. 0
    8 July 2014 15: 01
    Quote: Andrenaline
    Yes, it would be normal beer, and then around one surrogate. Normal beer can be drunk only in Restik or a decent cafe. And young people will pick it up and pour it into themselves. Public beer one poison (

    But at the expense of the restaurant and cafe you are wrong. There we don’t even know what we buy and drink! Take unfiltered and with a shelf life of not more than 7 days and better in factory containers! And you will be happy!
    1. Cpa
      0
      8 July 2014 17: 19
      Quote: reut.sib
      Take unfiltered

      Load your kidneys to the fullest laughing
      1. +1
        8 July 2014 20: 13
        They plant kidneys with quantity, not quality! Sorry for the late reply, no connection.
        1. Cpa
          +1
          8 July 2014 20: 34
          A brewer and winemaker, a friend, said that with an equal amount, the unfiltered one loads the kidneys more.
  30. +2
    8 July 2014 15: 04
    We must not fight with beer and other alcohol, but increase the culture of drinking !! Regarding vodka and beer .. I can say from my own experience that youth passed in 90g, there was no brewery in our city, and there was no large distillery, respectively, and there was plenty of vodka, not expensive and of less quality, we drank vodka and discos where all the young people visited could not do without fierce scuffle .. And then the vodka went up, and the sea brought in inexpensive beer and the people switched to it .. and the miracle of fights practically stopped .. You won’t fight with a full belly, and beer unlike vodka does not blow clean. So this article is clearly ordered by vodka producers. Once again, I need to raise the culture of drinking and especially the QUALITY of alcoholic beverages! What is now being sold under the guise of beer beyond good and evil! To monitor and strictly ask for deviations from production standards is the main task.
    1. nvv
      nvv
      +1
      8 July 2014 15: 29
      For an alcoholic, your cultural drink, on the drum. The average consumer believes that he drinks culturally. Your appeal, for a beginner.
      1. Leprechaun
        +1
        8 July 2014 23: 15
        Quote: nvv
        For an alcoholic, your cultural drink, on the drum.

        An alcoholic does not drink real wine or vodka with cognac, they drink surrogates and vivuks, tinctures of hawthorn and other rubbish.
    2. suomi76
      0
      8 July 2014 21: 34
      It’s clear where you lost your brains.
  31. -1
    8 July 2014 15: 09
    It’s not enough ... We need to go further: if there is oil and meat, obesity occurs, chocolate, sugar and sweets - diabetes mellitus !!! Insanity grows stronger every day. To be honest, I don’t like beer, and I don’t drink beer after the Czech Republic. But ... blaming beer ads for drinking more is the same as blaming car ads for crashes on the roads.
    1. Cat
      +1
      8 July 2014 16: 32
      Quote: Sanglier
      the same as blaming car ads for crashes on the road

      ..a condom advertising - in the deterioration of demographics request
  32. +1
    8 July 2014 15: 12
    It’s time to squeeze these freaks to the nail, they drive a golny substitute and call it beer, abroad if the beer is not brewed from natural barley, it does not have the right to be called and have beer on the label. I remember the advertisement was very enraged when young boys whipped beer and girls too, smiled so fervently, they say you don’t drink sucker, that's how we lose the young generation, and then there is such a thing as beer alcoholism.
    I don’t have anything against beer myself, but it should be real, not powdery, and there should be a measure in everything, and lobbyists have only grandmothers in their eyes, that’s why they push advertising,.
  33. +2
    8 July 2014 15: 15
    I must make a reservation right away that it is unconditionally against beer advertising, but I would like to draw attention to this aspect. We are accustomed to dealing with such things as drinking alcohol and smoking, only by the method of prohibitions. For some reason, it doesn’t occur to any of those in power that the number of people with bad habits depends, first of all, on whether a person has a choice between alcohol and the opportunity to fill up his leisure time with something more useful. in which they called for banning the sale of alcohol in convenience stores, which is right in itself, but the question arose: will anyone make sure that affordable gyms are created near the place of residence? And not those where the annual subscription costs 60 thousand rubles.
    About 6 years ago I was engaged in ballroom dancing, people came in for 40-50 people, a lot of emotions, impressions. This year I decided to resume classes, I was unpleasantly surprised that there were 4 times less people, I think it is easy to guess that the rent increased as much.
    In general, until we understand that nothing can be achieved by prohibitions alone, the problem with alcoholization will not go anywhere.
  34. Egoza
    +2
    8 July 2014 15: 15
    beer alcoholism is terrible! he abused himself as a student, thank God he changed his mind and now I lead a healthy lifestyle! advertising of beer on television and at sports venues (with their "innocent" advertising of non-alcoholic dietary supplements and something else - I did not pay attention, advertising of the Hunt in the arenas of ice palaces) must be stopped completely! where to subscribe? =) I agree to all 100 - children suffer from such advertising in the first place !!!
    then, if you remove the advertisement, connoisseurs will not stop drinking it! and the article, I recall, is just about the pressure of transnational holdings to allow advertising. so I didn’t understand Mahmut at all ...
    Well, those who spoke about the "naturalness" of counter beer are naturally right! this slurry has nothing to do with real beer.
    and the struggle must begin first of all with yourself, no matter how corny it is =) because the basic law of the market is that demand creates supply! as long as there is a consumer of the product, manufacturers will go out of their way to earn money ...
  35. Counter
    0
    8 July 2014 15: 17
    Interesting articles began to appear on VO. From the situation in eastern Ukraine to beer advertising at Russian stadiums. Probably there is no more important question than thinking about advertising "beer" today. Today, by the way, some deputy from the State Duma will propose to ban the circulation of 100-ruble bills, since they depict a tiny statue of Apollo with even tinier genitals. That is, the bill is legally from the category 18+. Another great topic for discussion, although probably not as important as the discussion of beer banners.
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 16: 57
      Quote: Counter
      Probably there is no more important question than thinking about advertising "beer" today.
      False at the root - this is a matter of the survival of the nation, i.e. strategic.

      Sport is gaining popularity - here is the baiters on the bones and namyetsya. Only sport implies a healthy lifestyle - and here they want to pervert everything. This is no better than LGBT propaganda.
  36. -1
    8 July 2014 15: 18
    Found someone to ask! Give Zhdanov’s will, he will even forbid kefir with kvass!
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 15: 58
      +
      It's right. This comrade obviously goes too far. However, I consider the ban on advertising beer and sobriety generally correct.
  37. 0
    8 July 2014 15: 25
    Beer, stadium, sport. In this chain, beer is definitely superfluous. I agree with the participant, wrote somewhere above, what is sold under the brands promoted in the Russian Federation is mostly a rare city, but.

    Regarding drinking, drinking, and will not agree to drink. After several years in a poorly prosperous region where I live, fermentation has become noticeably less, specimens "for firewood" are extremely rare on the street.

    About 6-7 years ago, you will go to the store after work, in the department of the booze there is usually a crowd, and now there is nobody.

    At the ski base in winter, there is a gorgeous pine forest, the same 6-7 years ago, you will arrive on a weekend — nobody, now there’s nowhere to park the car, the people in the literal sense got on skis.

    Of course, they did not stop drinking at all, but "getting fat" and measuring the amount drunk is becoming a rule of bad taste.

    The author, thanks for the article, such events can not be ignored.
  38. 0
    8 July 2014 15: 28
    Prohibit advertising - I agree, definitely!
    But ban consumption, IMHO, nonsense! They have already banned once - prohibition, cutting down vineyards. What led to: queues from melee in liquor stores, home brewing, consumption of surrogates, sale from under the floor to the delight of speculators. Whatever the rake is taught, but the heart believes in miracles. Do not engage in absurdity. Everything is good in moderation and in reasonable proportions!
    But "Yaga" (Jaguar) and other similar potions must be banned!
  39. 0
    8 July 2014 15: 37
    One elder of the holy life described beer as follows: "Demon urine ..."
  40. MSA
    MSA
    0
    8 July 2014 15: 40
    I haven’t been drinking a lot lately, I like the drink (when it’s cool, fresh, with fish and good company), but you shouldn’t advertise it at the stadiums, as it’s not at all compatible with one another.
  41. Vtel
    0
    8 July 2014 15: 53
    Now they don’t brew real beer, and it has been stored for 4 days no more, but the fact that the Russian people are being soldered and poisoned is a chemically active exterminator of the internal organs, and for our death we pay money to the liberal-kosher moneybags. Advertising, banks of 5 in each lane, lawyers and notaries, a mustache of the media - all this is an ento kosher sign of the God of the murdered people. Trotsky is dead, but his children continue their work with us.
  42. 0
    8 July 2014 16: 05
    Why advertise a product that everyone already knows about? Amazing stupidity ...
  43. A n777tv
    0
    8 July 2014 16: 25
    DO NOT BEER !!! (and vodka is the same !!!)
    1. Old Cynic
      -1
      8 July 2014 16: 51
      And for simple rain, introduce a tax of 100 rubles per person, for heavy rain - 200 rubles per person, for rain with a thunderstorm - 300 rubles per person !!!


      A n777tv - go, re-read "Chippolino" by Gianni Rodari. You will understand a lot.
  44. 0
    8 July 2014 16: 29
    I have nothing against advertising beer and wine, everything is better than advertising "McDonald's" or similar establishments
  45. 0
    8 July 2014 16: 52
    Any scum from all over Europe comes there for the permitted drug.
    Lies - it has been three years since they have been selling only to "friends" - a visitor will not legally buy weed.

    But I absolutely agree with the author about beer. No ads. Beer lovers already know where to find it.
  46. +1
    8 July 2014 17: 00
    Personally, I, as a beer lover, absolutely never mind whether they will advertise it or not, and I know without advertising which one to buy and which one I like best
    1. +1
      8 July 2014 17: 04
      Quote: 020205
      Personally to me as a beer lover
      What kind of beer are you a fan of? I am a versatile lover - but I prefer the traditional Czech type more. Although sometimes I dabble in Belgian and Trapist. drinks
  47. +1
    8 July 2014 17: 25
    "... about Dmitry Medvedev's initiative to recognize wine as an agricultural product ..."
    Another DAMA-shy and climb into the Christmas tree and do not scratch the bottom 90, sort of like a fight, as it were, but there should be exceptions. Everything again comes down to a banal increase in prices.
  48. Cpa
    +1
    8 July 2014 17: 28
    Oh, these prohibitions-entertainers, on TV, write in translucent font about the dangers of smoking on the background of TV shows and films where cops and bandits are constantly jamming vodka and whiskey. Check it yourself, turn on the TV.
  49. +1
    8 July 2014 18: 14
    Hands off the beer. LADIES do not like me at all. Any of his statements is water on the wheels of my rejection of this person. What smoking, what time, what beer or else I don't like it. Lawyer one word. Lover of cows and "commanding time". For one thing that he canceled the transfer from winter to summer, he needs to "erect a monument not made by hands to which the folk path will not overgrow"
  50. +1
    8 July 2014 18: 19
    <<< We have already written about Dmitry Medvedev's initiative to recognize wine as an agricultural product, which opens up new opportunities to advertise wine. >>>
    Another proof of whose interests the servant of the people - a lover of gadgets - so "cares" about!
  51. 0
    8 July 2014 18: 40
    We came up with a beautiful word - lobby and now he is not at all embarrassed to say it. Let's look at the meaning:...to promote the interests of someone....Next, let's look at who owns the above-mentioned companies. Now let’s remember the times of Comrade Stalin (no matter how they treated him), I would fully support the party’s policy...
  52. EsTaF
    0
    8 July 2014 18: 41
    Under all these beautiful laws, the state only has a desire to monopolize the market of retail outlets. The same "Crucian carp". The same will happen with cafe establishments. They will “issue” licenses to allow “smoking” in certain establishments.
    Placating the bureaucracy so that it is “more coherent”.
  53. +1
    8 July 2014 18: 44
    Maybe in Russia they sell something else under the name “beer”. Then yes! Ban advertising! And sellers and manufacturers in the GULAG! Normal beer is a healing drink that perfectly quenches thirst, helps with digestion and is a healing drink for problems with the stomach, kidneys and colon. In our hospitals, after operations on the kidneys, stomach, removal of stones, patients are advised to drink beer and not only Pilsen (I won’t advertise for the rest), and natural red wine. Of course everything is in moderation.
    1. -1
      9 July 2014 00: 36
      There is no normal beer in Russia... I've been on business trips a lot - our Ukrainian beer is many times better. And the Benders have the best in Ukraine)) Lvov, etc. They know how, the devils.

      I’m generally silent about the Czechs, I visited you once, so I dream about the local dark one at night))
      although we also have a good one - “Bila Nich”, dark, unfiltered.
      1. 0
        9 July 2014 10: 46
        Quote: psiho117
        there is no normal beer in Russia... I’ve been on business trips a lot - our Ukrainian beer is many times better

        There is no comrade in taste and color. Russia, it is BIG and I don’t know where you have been, but you are welcome to the Urals, I will treat you to SUCH beer!!! Czechs and Germans come to us to drink beer and they are the only ones!!!!! good
  54. +2
    8 July 2014 19: 27
    Quote: iConst
    What kind of beer are you a fan of? I am a versatile lover - but I prefer the traditional Czech type more. Although sometimes I dabble in Belgian and Trapist.

    I’m not more than our regional one, since I’m from the Irkutsk region, I like Ulan-Udenskoye, or Bratskoye. There used to be Irkutskoye, but it was bought out and destroyed by Muscovites recourse now only local drinks
  55. 0
    8 July 2014 23: 04
    Bullshit! The higher the price of alcohol, the more mash and moonshine. But state revenues are growing. Or maybe he remembers an old, old joke: “They called a drunkard to a meeting of the administrative commission and said: “Well, you drink, and the children are hungry. After all, like a bottle, it’s 2.87, like a bottle, it’s 2.87. And if it’s 3.62, will you drink? The drunk thought and answered, “I will.” What if 5.82? "Will". And if a bottle costs 50 kopecks, will you drink it? The drunk thought and answered: “No, I won’t. Because I’ll get drunk and die.” So maybe the drunk was right?
  56. Pavel88
    0
    9 July 2014 01: 19
    But I already believed our leadership that they care about the younger generation. A big minus for Putin and Medvedev and their party. Maybe I won’t even vote for them. I will write to the Kremlin, why do they really like beer there? So let them hang advertisements everywhere behind their red wall, propagandize through all their mouthpieces, and sell each other on. I would put it this way, but it’s prohibited by the site rules.

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