The militia has its own military aircraft

The Minister of Defense of the Lugansk People’s Republic Igor Plotnitsky reported that representatives of the LPR People’s Militia hijacked a military aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force. We are talking about the Su-25 attack aircraft, which is now undergoing repairs and will soon be able to serve the militia of the republic. In addition, the Ministry of Defense of the LPR reported the capture of the Ukrainian tank.

Igor Carpenter quotes LifeNews:

The Su-25 of the Ukrainian armed forces was captured after it made an emergency landing. We will soon have our own aviation. During the last battle, the militia also captured the enemy tank T-72 "Ural".

The emergence of a military aircraft capable of the militia of the LC, with qualified pilots, can have a considerable impact on the balance of forces at the venue of the so-called "ATO".

Igor Plotnitsky commented on the situation around the airport of Lugansk:

They (Ukrainian security officials) approached resistance, tried several times to leave the airport, withdraw the armored group, were repulsed, went back to the airport.

Comments

[sinukvl]

With an initiative! And so as not extreme

[ShturmKGB]

to recapture the airport from dill ...

[subbtin.725]

.And all sane have long understood that Russia will never surrender Novorossiyu.That's where it’s out of nowhere appears its own aviation. The junta with amers understand everything, boil, but they can not prove anything. And somehow the screamers, like "everything is lost" .Soon, and air defense systems with "minor problems" will surface, in a fair amount. Everything is just beginning.

[Andrew K]

All sane have long understood that Russia will not intervene militarily. I wonder why all the small victories of the militias such as you are trying to attribute to the merits of Russia? Why not just take the floor to the Minister of Defense of the LPR? Moreover, your allegations have no facts or do you think that the transfer of aviation across the border may go unnoticed?

[silver_roman]

Quote: Andrei K

Or do you think that the transfer of aviation across the border may go unnoticed?

why not? humanitarian IL-76 fly? if so, you can safely transport the su-25. I don’t think that Americans from outer space graze every ship from the beginning to the end of the route. Too much. although who knows!

[svp67]

Quote: silver_roman

why not? humanitarian IL-76 fly?

Most likely at some military airport they captured ...

[silver_roman]

Quote: svp67

Most likely at some military airport they captured ...

Well then, at the military airfield there should still be birds. here it was a helicopter. are there really none?

[ermolai]

Quote: Andrei K

Why not just take the floor to the Minister of Defense of the LPR?

Yes, we believe, we believe!

Quote: Andrei K

Do you think that the transfer of aviation across the border may go unnoticed?

Why not? on the cookie they didn’t see the plane on the monitors, but whoever looked at it with their eyes, everyone wrote reports in Romanians, because diarrhea did not stop

[besergio]

and then what does Russia have to do with it?

[Eragon]

Quote: beserhio

and then what does Russia have to do with it?

Do you really believe that the plane was captured? This is at what airport? He will not sit on the field.

[Torn]

We seem to be not alone in temena, but in 3-15)))

[old man54]

ShturmKGB

to recapture the airport from dill ...

according to the map from space (I watched it myself) from the eastern side of Lugansk, it directly adjoins the city, there is still some kind of strip and field, concrete, it seems the former a / p. So you can use it if you want, only its air defense must be taken care of, seriously! And where one Su-25 appeared, there will be a squadron. captured in battle.

[VAF]

Quote: old man54

according to the map from space (I watched it myself) from the eastern side of Lugansk, it directly adjoins the city,

The end of Oboronnaya St., the district is called Ostroi Mogila, a former military airfield of the Voroshilovograd navigator’s school.
No Andrey.aerodrom can be used only once, because Ukrainians will fill up almost immediately, and secondly, the airfield is bombarded from any direction.
so .. no air defense will save. unfortunately

[old man54]

Quote: vaf

No Andrey.aerodrom can be used only once, because Ukrainians will fill up almost immediately, and secondly, the airfield is bombarded from any direction.

Sergei!
well, ignored the proximity of the front, I agree! But, after all, it is possible to take off from highways, for example, south of Lugansk, where there are no rogues so far and it seems that they will not be soon! LA in the bushes, on the lap to the lane, the road is blocked and take off, just landing! Refueling and charging the BC from the wheels there! Or how? I am wrong?

[VAF]

Quote: old man54

But, after all, it is possible to take off from highways, for example, south of Lugansk, where there are no rogues so far and it seems that they will not be soon!

Hi Andrew! Just below I already wrote where and in what places you can take off from roads in Lugansk.
And if outside the city, or rather in the suburbs, then only on the roads to Krasnodon, to Lutugino and to Happiness .. you can try to Lisichansk .. but it will be difficult to deliver there, and it is narrow and in addition "hunchbacked", as well as to the airport.
That's all .. but there are already dill everywhere.
You write everything else correctly. But with a landing .. only DAY and in PMU

[old man54]

Quote: vaf

And if outside the city, or rather in the suburbs, it is only on the roads to Krasnodon, to Lutugino and to Happiness .. you can try to Lisichansk.

to Krasnodon, i.e. to the south-east agree! there are no freaks (according to reports). On Latugino, too, I agree, but here Schtchie’s just took rogues, a month ago already, Sergey. From the north, northwest and northeast, they have already approached the city! all other directions are free, I don’t know about the roads, I wasn’t, but judging by the video, the road to Lugansk airport is very good. And this is clearly south!

[VAF]

Quote: old man54

to Krasnodon, i.e. to the south-east agree! there are no freaks (according to reports). On Lagigino, too, I agree, but here Schstye

You have outdated infa Andrey! Krasnodon is already in full. As Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are "flattening", and the road to Lutugino is the same .. the shots are not weak.
I just wrote you what roads you can generally use outside the city.
At the AP, it is good in terms of coverage. But it’s narrow and on the hills .. and then .. a flat section only near the Regional City Hospital, and then .. hills and convolutions, and for an airplane, sections would be needed walking 1.2-1.5 straight and even ( accelerators are not provided for it. unfortunately)

[old man54]

Quote: vaf

You have outdated infa Andrey! Krasnodon is already in full. As Slavyansk and Kramatorsk "flatten",

so to Krasnodon, then they broke along the border from the south, in a narrow strip. They came to Lugansk from the north through the bridge to Happiness and further on n.p. Metalist They also approached the Village of Lugansk, but it was from the side of Krasnodon that they did not approach Lugansk, because there they are kept, roguli.

[Black Colonel]

Militias can rent a thread on an airfield in Russia. For example, in Rostov on the Military Council. There certainly are no shelling there.

[VAF]

Quote: Black Colonel

Militias can rent a thread on an airfield in Russia. For example, in Rostov on the Military Council.

For the Su-25, it will be far from the goals .. if only to Snezhnoye, and so there are "places" much .. "more comfortable" and .. "more habitable"

Quote: Black Colonel

There certainly are no shelling

So far there is no one and it is not even audible .. when where they "bang", but closer there .. to Matveyevo-Kurgan or Kuibyshevo there .. it is already audible well

[g1v2]

Here is another sensible pilot that would not be shot down immediately. And then a pair of 27 will cover and that's it, goodbye Vasya. And so, in the area of ​​its air defense, it can easily prevent the supply of airports to ukrams. And to convey the same greetings to the same Kharkov tractor tractor, while the Ukrainians are not yet aware of it. Of course, drying alone does not solve, but it can bring benefits.

[ermolai]

Gentlemen, do not fool your head, now they’ll collect a couple of crocodiles from the broken turntables, and then the plane, the use will be organized when constant flights open to Kiev. in addition to take-off, you still need ground support for the airplane, gentlemen, this is not corncracker il-2 after all

[VAF]

ShturmKGB

to recapture the airport from dill ...

Minus article I put! I explain why:

1. the presence of one su-25 (you still need to "see" what kind of repair is there and how long this "event" will take) is not - The name we have is our own combat aircraft.
In fact there are .. from one subject ears !!!

2. The presence of one aircraft in no way affect the balance of power .. NO !!!

But ... I have already sent my candidacy as a former military pilot of the 1st class and my "resume" ... even more so to me to Lugansk here ... "on one leg is flying"

Z.Y. Uryakalok I’m asking you not to immediately minus, I’ll explain again why such conclusions are made (I already explained to the respected Aleksana who compared Dry and Buk)

So:

Comparison of Drying and Beech is not correct.

1. Drying is not Buk.tk. drying also needs to fly and not bad to fly. she, drying can not be disguised in the folds of the area like a beech.
2. Drying also needs to be fired. But unlike Buk, it, Drying, does not stand still and the time for aiming is strictly limited.
3. There is no locator on the dryer, but only the ASP and your eyes, I saw well. but did not see .. the second circle may not be.
4. Ukropskie Sushki run at 5 thousand and more, because the air defense militia does not yet have the necessary air defense ... with the militia Drying this number will not work .... there are no current codes "friend or foe".
So you need to fly .. "on the belly." and this radius immediately becomes .. not very. And on the belly yourself to find the target without the control center .. this must be very able .. very soldier
5. Repair, in principle, is not a problem ... nothing could be left from the TECh college. Yes, and the grandfather specialists hope to find the same thing, with ATO and fuel and lubricants I hope the same, but with ASP as ??? belay do not throw P-50-75 on the other hand ... but in VVAUSH there were no other ammunition as far as I remember .. even shells for the tail cannons on the An-12's and that. 23 mm.
6. There are no problems with the connection. The tower is an airplane of one VHF ... for the eyes, but guidance and control ... here, of course, there is a problem .. a small drone would be very useful.

Well, the most important problem is ... the airfield .... judging by the deployment of dill and free shelling of the entire city. Then to the acute grave to push through .... no problems.
True, you can take off from the taxiway too ... but ...
So with Sushka..this is more talk and fellow. than business.

ZY I wrote in the usual "mundane" language, otherwise people get upset when I use specific terms.

[portoc65]

Not romantic you are comrade and also a pilot ..

[VAF]

Quote: portoc65

Not romantic you are comrade

"Romantic" "weaned" to be back in the distant 80 year in one .. "warm" country, but then he was still in his prime and .... well, how chkalov..therefore, next time "reminded" in 1985 and so .. "seriously reminded" (for me) .. so from that moment on I finally became exclusively progmatist.
And his personnel "tore" so .. that in the middle of the night wake up and .. how "the machine gun answered" what it would do and how and .. in which direction to turn.
But everyone was always safe and sound and still remember and thank for .. "science" learns to win!

[Nekarmadlen]

Quote: portoc65

Not romantic you are comrade and also a pilot ..

But not hollow !!! :-)

[Silencernt]

You do not understand the point, the main thing is not how many Su-25 they have. And no matter what condition they are in. The main thing is the fact of availability and a statement about it, and then try to prove who dill bombers there, the Novorossiysk su-25 or the Russian.

[Wedmak]

and then try to prove who bombers dill there, Novorossiysk su-25 or Russian.

And then you will prove that the wreckage of a non-Russian attack aircraft lies in the field?

[VAF]

Quote: SilencerNT

You do not understand the point, the main thing is not how many Su-25 they have. And no matter what condition they are in. The main thing is the fact of availability and a statement about it, and then try to prove who dill bombers there, the Novorossiysk su-25 or the Russian.

Sorry, but I don’t understand ... what is your point? ESSENCE it alone is a VICTORY over an armed fascist superior in all respects !!!
And to whom there and what to prove.
So they rinse us both from the State Dpt and UkroSMI. That only our GRU is at war there. Our 45 reconnaissance regiment of the Airborne Forces, our tanks are planes, etc. etc.
Even our Poplars and that .. there are.

A..understood..this is a "loyal crawl" ... of an ostrich ... "head in the sand and as if out of business"?
Great again .. let the militiamen? Here ... "s.ts.u.k.i." and "we went to the referendum ourselves. when I spoke .. down" and "the truce was not observed when we" agreed "once again."
What is this time .. give the plane dill go publicly burn .. that would be USCA was happy

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: SilencerNT

and then try to prove who bombers dill there, Novorossiysk su-25 or Russian.

Easy, respected cornering. No one has yet canceled the radar and identification system.

[DOMINO100]

I agree completely.

[portoc65]

Can such a stupid question comrade lieutenant colonel? And if the drying will be based on the Russian airfield and cross the border there and back .. it will be considered an aggression of Russia? After all, this is not a Russian plane ...

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: portoc65

? And if the drying will be based at the Russian airport and cross the border there and back.

Well, if on the ground or with a muffled enemy air defense ...

[VAF]

Quote: portoc65

Can such a stupid question comrade lieutenant colonel?

Why stupid? Normal question It would be my will (already wrote) about this ... for a long time the dill would have had nothing flying and shooting, well, it would not "run" through the fields of Donbass and Luhansk oblast.
But in fact ... this will not be considered aggression (because we do not make claims on the account of aggression from the military advisers of NATA and PMCs) .. and here ... refueled and served in flight .. and where he flew there and what he did. .Who knows.
But ... our never will

[old man54]

Quote: vaf

2. The presence of one aircraft in no way affect the balance of power .. NO !!!

I’ll insert another 5 kopeks, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel. but?
One attack aircraft of course will solve very little, it’s understandable, only hemorrhoids with it, I agree! But ... we must look wider, Sergey! Once upon a time, Lugansk people said that they had captured from freaks, oh sorry dill , several T-64 tanks, and they already write that they only have up to 15 units under Saur’s grave. And this is countless tanks near Karlovka, Snezhniy and even in Slavyansk. Then think for yourself. There’s already today, the video in the article says the capture of the T-72, although as far as I know, all T-27 rogues have already sold out, after 91 they sold almost all fresh weapons around the world, and the T-72 is very hyped in terms of marketing and very reliable tank. And then bam! And the T-72 is exactly our Russian main MBT! So think a little more ... I think that soon there will be a full T-72 in the Donbass, they captured it.
Sergey, with the Su-25 it will probably be the same, I'm sure they will be "captured"
About sending a resume surprised and pleased! Man! proud for you honestly !!!!

[VAF]

Quote: old man54

I’ll insert another 5 kopeks, Comrade Lieutenant Colonel. but?

Andrew, easy! But this tank was captured even when there was the very first attack of dill on the settlement of Metalist, after taking happiness .. even the photo was with the militias.
And everything else .. only hope and we don’t have 72s in the district .. only 90s. Well, or let’s say so .. I only saw them and see when ..... well, you know when and where I go

[g1v2]

About 64 I agree, it’s painful for them dofiga, although it can be repaired from Artemovsk. And 72 ukrov have several hundred and even a bit of the 80s on conservation. But in general, it also seems to me that the tanks are from the coastal defense brigade, which crossed over to our side in the Crimea. Since she came to us, we shouldn’t have transferred her weapons to the Ukrainians, and there were 39 pieces of T64, as well as cloves, mortars, like hailstones. In general, it’s strange that the militiamen destroyed tanks that were destroyed, but both captured and silently captured everything, and where and how xs. Suggests thoughts.

[alone]

Quote: g1v2

About 64 I agree, it’s painful for them dofiga, although it can be repaired from Artemovsk.

Nobody was able to take the base in Artemevsk 4 times but stormed, but to no avail. And yesterday Ukrainian forces entered it. So the tanks from Artemevsk are Gubarev’s bluff.
Unless the militia’s tanks were in the captured units or from the Crimean military unit. Yes, and Ukrainian t-72s (600 pcs) are in storage. They don’t use them. Only t-64 are of various modifications. They are easy to repair. After all, Kharkov is nearby.

[old man54]

Quote: lonely

Nobody could take the base in Artemevsk. They stormed 4 times, but to no avail.

It’s a pity, so I think that why they so easily left Artyom then ?? But do not know why it was not possible to capture that?
Was it really impossible to assemble a detachment from both the LPR and the DPR, and with the use of mortars and the same tanks, take it ?! I don’t believe that there is such a Brest Fortress. Most likely some kind of treason, as in the airport of Donetsk in May! Donetsk "Vostok" did not want to storm the military unit, but Strelkov was in Slavyansk, he could not. It's sad, now these tanks will be introducing dill into business.

[Revolver]

Quote: vaf

the presence of one su-25 (we still need to "see" what kind of repair is there and how long this "event" will take) is not - the name we have our own combat aircraft.

Yes, of course, one rook does not do spring, and yet ...
It will be enough one more or less successful combat flight, and then he can sit for weeks in a disguised caponier.
The Germans had the battleship Tirpitz. For most of the war, he stood at the bases. And nevertheless, a considerable detachment of the British Royal Navy was exclusively engaged in guarding the possible exit of "Tirpitz" to the sea, and could not be used in other places, but, say, escorts for transport caravans from America and to Britain, and to Arkhangelsk catastrophically not enough. There is such an English concept of fleet in being, which is exactly what it denotes - the presence of the enemy forces capable of influencing the course of events.
After the very first aerial attack, the crops will be forced to act with an eye to the sky, and this will somehow limit their mobility. Again, a couple of fighters will sit in readiness at the airfield awaiting a possible departure to intercept this single Rook, or maybe more than one pair, and not at the same airfield. This means that at this time they will not be able to bomb anything. And there are not so many living aircraft in ukroVVS.
So with an initiative, the Air Force of New Russia.

And the argumentation of why this particular aircraft cannot be used intensively without the corresponding iron infrastructure. But, as mentioned above, he is not required to make 3 sorties per day. Even 1 flight in a couple of weeks already justifies all efforts to repair and maintain it.

[VAF]

Quote: Nagan

And the reason why this particular aircraft cannot be used intensively without the appropriate infrastructure is iron

Well, it would be stupid with 3 "upper" aviation formations +!

Quote: Nagan

Even 1 flight in a couple of weeks already justifies all efforts to repair and maintain it.

This is called by the tank-adventure. Well, in the secular language .. a game of Russian roulette
and even more so after voicing this information in all media.
It is clear that almost all dill but, unfortunately, we all studied military affairs in the same "schools" and not all of them and to "catch" a single aircraft by ground means of RTR and RTV ... this is a task for the ...
Moreover, the attack aircraft will have to fly in such modes that the radius of action will be significantly reduced.
so one S-300 and ... everything
I hope you do not have "uryapatriotic" thoughts that only the S-300 is good when it is only ours, and if the Uryapatriot S-300, then this is .. "sucks.wunderwaffe, etc." (favorite epithets of the uryapatriots)

[Revolver]

Quote: vaf

to "catch" a single aircraft by ground means of RTR and RTV ... this is a task for ... the rowing group.
Moreover, the attack aircraft will have to fly in such modes that the radius of action will be significantly reduced.
so one S-300 and ... everything

Of course, anti-aircraft technology went far from that S-125 with which I was familiar, but something in common should remain.
S dill has not been deployed anti-aircraft weapons as unnecessary. Expanding them takes time.
ZRDn - a thing of low mobility, visible to the trained eye, and for mobile RDGs the target is light and tasty. RPG into the CHP antenna at maximum range, and the entire division is not operational before replacing the antenna. And this is time, spare parts, and most importantly - specialists, which may not be.
And further. To fall into a small attack aircraft at extremely low altitude is not a TU-154 to shoot down over the sea. And as far as I know, those firing specifically at dill were the last to avoid such misunderstandings. And without training, they are more likely to be rocketed into white light or window air conditioning. That is, if she comes down with PU at all.

[alone]

Quote: Nagan

Yes, of course, one rook does not do spring, and yet ...

This is still unknown, no one saw the pictures and drying with the militia

[ROD VDVshny]

Quote: vaf

But ... I have already sent my candidacy as a former military pilot of the 1st class and my "resume" ... even more so to me to Lugansk here ... "on one leg is flying"

With God ... GOOD LUCK

[Black Colonel]

Earnestly!

[Yaks]

I agree with the above. .. I can only add:
1. Ukrokhunta has C -300 ...
2. There will be an opportunity to dump their airstrikes on the residential sector on militia aviation ..

[ermolai]

Quote: yaks

Ukrokhunta has C -300 ...

this is exactly what is needed so that they are deployed, their ears are very cleverly able to hit the first missile for other purposes, and then imagine, just without an airstrike, just flying, and such a panic will begin. Well, in this confusion, there’s a chance of getting the target

[viktorR]

There is no locator on the dryer, but only ASP and your eyes, I saw well. but did not see .. the second circle may not be.

But what about birch?
But in general +100

[VAF]

Quote: viktorR

But what about birch?

Birch for MANPADS, ZSU and something like Shilok?
Moreover, aviation locators take Birch over a range, but our air defense systems are by no means all) you understand I will not write yes and what .. no.
They have an old-new system on helicopters, and then ... how many of their riflemen filled up?

[viktorR]

Well, it should squeak on the shilka if it works on the radio channel, although it can squeak already when the shells fly towards it). And everything else is certainly true. And what is their old new system? I do not know anything about ukrovskie STRs ... Do you have something to read? Or maybe your thoughts what you express?

[anfil]

Use once to send hotels with best wishes to the Verkhovna Rada.

[Revolver]

Quote: anfil

Use once to send hotels with best wishes to the Verkhovna Rada.

And do you personally sit for a kamikaze? If so, I will take off my hat first. And if not, then somehow your proposal sounds wrong.

[not main]

Quote: vaf

So you need to fly .. "on the belly." and this radius immediately becomes .. not very. And on the belly yourself to find the target without the control center .. this must be very able .. very soldier

I agree with everything! But no one has canceled the topographic map and preliminary mapping of targets! I agree that without preparation, to put it mildly, is not realistic! But pilots in the USSR haven’t changed yet! Yes, and after ...

[svp67]

ShturmKGB

to recapture the airport from dill ...

and I'm about the same, so

They (Ukrainian security officials) approached resistance, tried several times to leave the airport, withdraw the armored group, were repulsed, went back to the airport.

So for me it would be better to let them get out, but on the way they would have a good "splinter" ...

[Момент]

Well, how long have we been waiting for these good events. Two months ago there was the first tank, and now the first Dryer. keep it up.

[a52333]

DNR aircraft can multiply by budding ....

[Scandinavian]

Now you need to pick up a pair for budding =)

[a52333]

They will flit for mating across the border ... when they have a season, they are difficult to track ...
IMHO, under the same number there may still appear heels ....

[baltika-18]

Quote: a52333

They will flit for mating across the border ... when they have a season, they are difficult to track ...
IMHO, under the same number, another five may appear ..

Quote: DOMINO100

are you playing war here? so it’s more interesting on the street.

From myself: not seriously.

[Black Colonel]

Why, there, you can immediately work out a whole squadron with the same numbers at the same time several goals. And there prove that these were different planes.

[MAXIMUS]

I think the Su-34 is just right!

[DOMINO100]

yes, plus 10 submarines and 3 aircraft carriers just right)))) are you playing war here? so it’s more interesting on the street.

[VAF]

Quote: DOMINO100

DOMINO100 SU Today, 15:57 ↑

yes, plus 10 submarines and 3 aircraft carriers just right)))) are you playing war here? so it’s more interesting on the street.

This is really .. healthy koment, +!

[DOMINO100]

oh well, they raised a salute for 1 plane. guys, yes the same Kolomoisky will announce $ 100 who will tell you the whereabouts of this plane and surrender as soon as possible. my personal opinion is that they will either be quiet until better times or transported to Russia. but he will not make sorties, they will track them with special zeal. And now you can write off bombings of civilians as militias. They do not have cynicism. Therefore, this plane is completely unprofitable, especially 000!

[VAF]

Quote: DOMINO100

yes, they raised a salute because of 1 plane

It’s just that the guys don’t understand that an airplane ... it’s not at all what a tank, armored personnel carrier, car, etc.
And here the problem is not what will be monitored or not ... in principle, and on the lu.Oboronnoy can and easily take off (the wires for the "tied" to take off and that's all ... and the area of ​​"Quarters" so .. there any quarter is a smart runway that's what Lugansk has always liked .. it's the roads) wide and straight.
And in the "neighborhoods" you can also hide a submarine

And the problems are:
1. In combat use ... how will navigation and targeting be carried out? Or to the target search area?
DPRM and BMRP no. Means ARC disappears, i.e. There is no course. There is no route method of navigation! (Well, there is no ARP either).
2 There is neither RP nor RV, i.e. it’s IMPOSSIBLE even to control the pilot according to the flight mode.
3. There is no RSBN, that is. there is no flight along the programmed route or operational in the automatic mode, nor is there access to the programmed or promptly entered target.
4. The absence of RTS does not allow the aircraft to be used in conditions close to "sweet", ie. SMU, not to mention the night ... i.e. only DAY in PMU and in clear sun i.e. under the conditions of "million for a million" as in "school" in the first year
5. With this lack of codes for the system, the Password forces you to "crawl" practically on your belly, ie. at an altitude of 10 meters, the maximum is 15, under the conditions of that area this is not a problem, but it is also not a problem for the air defense system.
And to attack a target, even from a cannon, not to mention NARs or AB, well, you need to gain at least 100-200 meters, and if there are no bombs with TR, then everything is 500-600 meters and .. "here I am so handsome .. all in white " will end sadly ... in the first run
These are the "pies with .. kittens"

[Revolver]

Quote: vaf

And the problems are:
1. In combat use ... how will navigation and targeting be carried out? Or to the target search area?

Of course, I’m not special in aviation, but is there really no room in the cockpit for a conventional consumer GPS? Probably you can attach if you wish. And even if there is no 12V to power, it will last a couple of hours on batteries, but no more. And they hardly know how to suppress GPS signals, and they won’t; their own law-enforcement battalions get lost. In America, almost all small aircraft pilots have GPS in the cockpit and, obviously, use it.
And target designation ... I somehow see it this way: a reconnaissance group or even a local resident of sympathizers spotted a convoy of yakrov, preferably with nalivniks for visual effects, according to the same GPS coordinates were taken, they were transferred by mobile phone along with the name of the road and the direction of movement. The pilot enters the coordinates into his GPS and "from the screw" (yes, I know that the jet ) If not far, then they will not go far on this road during this time. Question to you, as a specialist: walking along the road at extremely low altitude, catching up with a convoy, can you cover it with something from the SU-25 arsenal? it’s not even necessary for everyone, one fuel truck is enough for visual effects, although of course no one will mind if there is more than one. Well and back also on GPS.

[aksakal]

Quote: MAXIMUS

They will flit for mating across the border

- Duc, okay season, one more patch - the time of flight to warm countries has come Just an amazing coincidence. It’s the same mother nature decided so - from time to time to migrate to the South-West, after all, it’s going to winter

[portoc65]

squeeze a good turntable .. so it made a rustle .. and weapons from Russia can be distilled ...

[VAF]

Quote: portoc65

squeeze the spinner

This idea is very sound, +!

[Wedmak]

Hello, Sergey. And what is sound? The pinwheel is also vulnerable. She still cannot fully fight. Moreover, the air defense of dill will be stronger than that of the militia.

[portoc65]

In the course of the air defense of the militias is stronger than the air defense of dill

[Wedmak]

In the course of the air defense of the militias is stronger than the air defense of dill

Why do you think so?

[DOMINO100]

so this sucker as a Tatar, that vodka is a bullet, just topple down. Here a man under the name SAAG correctly noticed that the APU has a su-27! and it’s not difficult for him to * land * su-25! moreover, they have these planes, and not 1! therefore, I don’t see much joy here, I can congratulate you but I can’t arrange dances like cannibals around a can of Coca-Cola!

[portoc65]

I’m just born in Odessa and someone has problems with humor .. okay .. I don’t drink vodka .. current is kachaso with lima ..

[DOMINO100]

the main thing to health is lemon!

[saag]

Quote: portoc65

In the course of the air defense of the militias is stronger than the air defense of dill

Well, if the militia felled the Su-25, nothing prevents it from doing the APU, the latter also have the Su-27

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

. And what is sound? Pinwheel is also vulnerable

The spinner can really "crawl" on its belly, ie. at a height of 2-3 meters, in forest plantations. along the ravines and hollows, of which there are a lot in that area.
plus do not forget about the speed or you go to 160-200 or 550-650 .. is there a difference?
Pinwheel, we take MTV (even a remake from MT-to MT for only 2 points of suspension along the sides) applies the whole range of weapons. like the Su-25y, well, with the exception of the UR.NAR large caliber and bombs above 500, but the accuracy of their use is much higher (due to the low speed), better maneuverability. better ability to use PFP and PZM, longer time and better search for targets.
The tactical radius is almost the same, plus it can also take RDG with it.
And across the border "roam". The more so .. hole .... so that's it !!

[portoc65]

and what is more expensive? spinner or dryer? can sell dill drying and buy a spinner from them?

[VAF]

Quote: portoc65

and what is more expensive? spinner or dryer?

Drying definitely!

[Torn]

And buy 5 turntables)

[Wedmak]

In armament, this is good. Stealth is also, of course, better than the Su-25. But, along the ravines, she will roam to the first MANPADS, and even the first DShK / KPVT and others. See how the UkroVVS militias are knocking down ... The list already includes Mi-24 and Su-25, Su-24 is damaged. But ukrov something and the Su-27 and the turntables are the same, and better air defense, pinch from above and shoot - only a matter of time.
Again, this is not a tank, you can’t hide it in roadside bushes.

[not main]

Quote: vaf

plus do not forget about speed or you go to 160-200

With all due respect, but this is not MI-2 or MI-4. The usual MI-8T has cruising 220, MTV goes 260 on cruising, MI-24 320, MI-6 350. And so they went along the MVL.

[silver_roman]

is it really in two areas nowhere to say Mi-8 or the same 24? or has everyone already disabled or surpassed? I'm just not quite in the subject on this account!

[mamont5]

Quote: Scandinavian

Now you need to pick up a pair for budding =)

It would be nice, because one plane is not enough that it can do. To send for slaughter.

[Scoun]

Quote: a52333

DNR aircraft can multiply by budding ....

It would be necessary to master the breeding / breeding of helicopters, by the method of budding, at least Krokodilchikov)))

[1c-inform-city]

You're not right ! Only by dividing, and immediately by four, and bypassing the stage of the pupa into the category of heavy fighters!

[nikrandel]

Take care of your falcon !!!

[Giant thought]

Bravo to the militias! Now they have their own aviation, now under this guise it is possible to supply our aircraft with them.

[subbtin.725]

Quote: Thought Giant

A giant of thoughts Today, 15:46 ↑ New
Bravo to the militias! Now they have their own aviation, now under this guise it is possible to supply our aircraft with them.

The train of thought is correct, definitely a plus.

[a52333]

And to the ukropovsky pilot, a soldering iron in the ass .... let his colleagues handed over ....

[DOMINO100]

another inquisitor!

[a52333]

We need the names of the pilots who bomb the DPR. Their surnames are zealously guarded, and this one is caught. Pay them for the departure of 9000 $.
Because? Almonds with him? maybe a ticket to the Minvody?

[26rus]

Quote: a52333

maybe a ticket to the Minvody?

And from which x ... to the Minvody? Try narzan?

[a52333]

We somehow with the chef (in winter) tried to stay for a couple of days on a business trip in a boarding house in Pyatigorsk. As a result, we stayed at a hotel in the Minvody (on the highway near Zmeyka). I am still shocked by the price tag ...

[26rus]

And the hotel, an hour, not near the railway hospital?

Quote: a52333

I am still shocked by the price tag ...

Well, and from Pyatigorsk price tags, I’m sure I would have received paralysis of consciousness.

[Russ69]

Quote: Thought Giant

Bravo to the militias! Now they have their own aviation

And no one wondered how long it would take dill to land it? I’m thinking that one or two flights may be enough, more likely.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Russ69

And no one wondered how long it would take dill to land it? I’m thinking that one or two flights may be enough, more likely.

Did many of us stomp Georgian Sushki in 2008? A plane is not as easy to shoot down as it seems.

[Scoun]

Quote: Giant thought

Bravo to the militias! Now they have their own aviation, now under this guise it is possible to supply our aircraft with them.

Yes, on the sly, of course .. The tank was removed from the pedestal .. so the planes can be put into operation from the "pedestals" and from the "dumps". )))

[DOMINO100]

you’re definitely a GIANT OF THOUGHTS! 1 plane, well, just a squadron, Russia with grief in half can deliver small arms through its channels, well, even MANPADS, and here you are already supplying aircraft equipment. right now, the planes will fly straight to Donetsk.

[comprochikos]

The main thing is that now it does not fall under air defense. It will be a shame. And how will it be distinguished from strangers?

[VAF]

Quote from comprochikos

And how will it be distinguished from strangers?

Elementary! System of state recognition of the EU GRLO "Password"

[Alexan]

Drying ". Like those" Buks "that you need to be able to control! In fact, a more propagandistic toy, but very nice. An airplane is a whole system: refueling, repairs, specific ammunition, guidance, communication ... The same is with air defense - locators and missiles are a very complicated thing, you can't just throw them on your shoulder like MANPADS. ”It’s not for nothing that the Georgians hired ukrov to themselves, who, by the way, did a lot of nasty things with those" Buks ".

[aksakal]

Quote: Alexan

Drying ". Like those" Buks "that you need to be able to control! In fact, a more propagandistic toy, but very nice. An airplane is a whole system: refueling, repairs, specific ammunition, guidance, communication ... The same is with air defense - locators and missiles are a very complicated thing, you can't just throw them on your shoulder like MANPADS. ”It’s not for nothing that the Georgians hired ukrov to themselves, who, by the way, did a lot of nasty things with those" Buks ".

- that's why I still haven't flown. First of all, the "friend or foe" device needs to be changed. For what? Russian? Who will give? You can not do it this way! To fly in Ukrainian? They will shoot down their "beeps" ... In general, it really turns out that the plane itself is not a problem, the problem is all the accompanying infrastructure around. And this infrastructure also needs specialists. But I'm sure the militia will cope. Let not today, but they will cope. They will have aviation.

[a52333]

Quote: aksakal

First of all, the "friend or foe" device needs to be changed.

What's the point?

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: aksakal

First of all, the "friend or foe" device needs to be changed. For what? Russian? Who will give? You can not do it this way! To fly in Ukrainian?

I assure you that the equipment costs the same as on the Russian Su-25 and on the Svidomo. Using my fingers, I explain that "friends" from "aliens" differ only by the codes entered for a given period of time, which are a pulse-frequency signal with a time delay relative to the "reference" signal.

[aksakal]

Quote: 11111mail.ru

I believe you that the equipment costs the same as on the Russian Su-25 and on the Svidomo. Using my fingers, I explain that "friends" from "aliens" differ only by the codes entered for a given period of time, which are a pulse-frequency signal with a time delay relative to the "reference" signal.

- Wait, just changed the code and that's it? After all, this is what the post is about, that you need to create a system, including a reliably working subsystem for recognizing "friend or foe". In other words, I entered the code on this aircraft, which means that you need to enter similar ones on radars, air defense systems, at the headquarters, etc. By analogy in the army with recognition, all these passwords and so on - this is all worked out at the system level, but in private looks like this: "And what is the password? These are just words, or rather, even complexly coordinated modulations by the muscles of the mouth and larynx in order to extract completely specific sounds, with the help of which, by the semantic relationship between these extracted sounds, one can determine whether ours is ours or the enemy." And this is absolutely true - the password itself and even its changes look completely simple. But there is an unobservable side - a set of rules for creating, distributing and verifying password creation, unified for the entire department. And this is already a system, and work is needed to think over it. And I’m talking about this, so I know that this unit is just a box

Quote: 11111mail.ru

codes entered for a given period of time

[VAF]

Quote: aksakal

Wait, just changed the code and that's it?

Respected Aksakal no less respected 11111mail.ru I wrote everything correctly briefly and clearly and also within the framework of what is permitted. S-C system ... it’s better not to discuss at all
Surprise. But the old Silicon is the same, but .. after each theft (Belenko) or lost somewhere in an independent and uncontrolled territory, the next (additional) block appears in the kit (let's call it .. encoder)
If you look at him. then it’s like a lot of bee honeycombs with the size of a needle (and needles are inserted there only a little bit more authentic) and these honeycombs there .. many billions.
Now count. How many combinations will be ???
And this is not a box .. but many boxes and antennas
In addition, we already have Password. Although ukrov also has it, but ours is modified for us.

[portoc65]

Now, if the plane will fly, all of its atrocious pilots will be attributed to the militia plane ... since it’s alone to pick up the pilot Assa ... Schaub didn’t seem enough.

[STOP VOINE 2014]

FLAH'S PLATTER!
I DO NOT BELIEVE ITS OWN EYES, AS THE SAME PIN .. WE ARE STRIKING OVER ORTHODOX ...
AND LEADING BUTTERS DO NOT SPARE AT ALL ...
maybe they really think that this "thread" will lead them to the destruction of PUTIN ...

[portoc65]

Quote: STOP VOINE 2014

FLAH'S PLATTER!
I DO NOT BELIEVE ITS OWN EYES, AS THE SAME PIN .. WE ARE STRIKING OVER ORTHODOX ...
AND LEADING BUTTERS DO NOT SPARE AT ALL ...
maybe they really think that this "thread" will lead them to the destruction of PUTIN ...

Translate into Russian

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: sinukvl

The Minister of Defense of the Lugansk People’s Republic Igor Plotnitsky reported that representatives of the LPR People’s Militia hijacked a military aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force. We are talking about the Su-25 attack aircraft, which is currently undergoing repairs and will soon be able to serve the republic’s militias

this is dashing !!! eh, if only a couple of 27, at least, for cover, the pilots, I think, will appear if the cars are

[Black Colonel]

Dryings for the militia are currently not quite suitable attack aircraft, and the Yak-54 (there was such an experiment), in my opinion, would have come down completely.

[ALEXX.]

With initiative and, moreover, with great.

[Ghjynjyjoiiyr]

There were four L-39s left in Belbek, which were shown in the parade flight of aviation in Sevastopol on May 9, now they would be just right for us.

[Момент]

Well, how long have we been waiting for these good events.

[Drednout]

New Russia with Aviation Day!

[Roman1970]

Pilots are needed ... Just a plane is iron, if without a pilot ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: Roman1970

Pilots are needed ... Just a plane is iron, if without a pilot ...

Are there few pilots in Russia?

[Dormidosha]

Good afternoon! God forbid not the last !!!!!

[Mama_Cholli]

It’s hard for one to have (the plane). I wish it was not in vain that it was repaired and restored. You need to navigate the right-handed battalions in the first place and preferably napalm, so that rot would not lie on the fields later.

[portoc65]

Nona was also from the beginning, but they dreamed about tanks ... We are gradually becoming a full-fledged army ..

[Yellow white]

"Forget" at the border a truck with ammunition to the DRYING ... and the pilot at the same time

[nicolay338]

It’s a pity that one ... There would be at least a couple ... And one - you can say nothing (((

[Gomunkul]

And one - you can say nothing (((

And one warrior in the field, if he is tailored in Russian!

[comprochikos]

With the help of one, you can get the second

[nik6006]

It is very interesting. We need, of course, a crew, and at least 3 attack aircraft, and a dozen turntables. Make a raid on Kiev, bomb with leaflets - "Surrender to the fascists!"

[APS]

Yes, positive!

[Mature Hrych]

We are waiting for type reports - the SU-25 militia launched an air strike on Poroshenko’s positions in the Verkhovna Rada)))))

[avt]

Quote: Inveterate Hrych

We are waiting for type reports - the SU-25 militia launched an air strike on Poroshenko’s positions in the Verkhovna Rada))

Not. Aircraft Su-25 dealt a massive blow .... However, our Finno-Ugric number is confused in Russian.

[avt]

Caught with a butterfly net! Here's something that tells me that they will catch more! Again, I have already heard the statement of the representative of Lugansk on Life that they suddenly found old helicopters on pedestals, well, how the T-34-85 and Is-3 and the "craftsmen" will now repair them.

Quote: Roman1970

Pilots are needed ...

Need and there.

[typhoon7]

It would be very good if the fighters of New Russia accidentally found someone who forgot the turntables in good condition, with pilots, with weapons. They are in great demand now. Let's hope that all ahead and attack aircraft and fighters and everything else.

[skyyl]

It would be nice to put humanitarian aid to the dryer, but not one machine !!!

[AlNick]

Judging by the information from the interview, there are more questions than answers on the plane.
Sat down on a forced: with the chassis down ?, on the "belly" ?. The condition of the engines depends on this, and this is the most important thing. The rest is all recoverable.
And of course, there are specialists who are experienced in aviation, especially flight and engineering personnel who previously operated the Su-25. You can just specialists, but their commissioning can take a lot of time. In addition to refuel, wipe there are still maintenance work.

[kowalski]

Tell me, please, it’s not an aviator himself - does the Su-25 take off from the ground? And how much does it have a flight range with a load?

[Iline]

Su-25 can be operated autonomously from jump airfields with soil strength of 6-7 kgf / cm2 (using the airmobile complex (AMK-8).
Range 495 km.

[Vadivak]

Quote: kowalski

Tell me, please, it’s not an aviator himself - does the Su-25 take off from the ground?

Easy, can be operated from classically prepared unpaved airfields of class 3

[Wedmak]

Even with water can (as a joke)

In fact, I read about their work in Afghanistan. They took off from iron perforated strips laid on compacted soil.
The flight range without PTB is small, it's a front-line attack aircraft. The combat radius of 300 km, i.e. range of about 600.

[Stypor23]

Quote: nicolay338

And one - you can say nothing (((

Nikolai Frantsevich Gastello had a different opinion

[pensioner]

Quote: Stypor23

Nikolai Frantsevich Gastello had a different opinion

Yes, and V. Golubev, too (like the thousands of pilots who participated in the Second World War):
March 12, 1942 Vasily Fedorovich shot down 2 fighters from the headquarters of the famous German fighter squadron JG 54, piloted by Unter - officer Heinz Bartling (67 victories) and his wingman - Lieutenant Herman Leishte (26 victories). At the same time, both German pilots died.

On that day, a group of I-16s returned to the airfield after storming the railway station. Having fully retained the ammunition, Golubev left the system on the way back and imitated the flight of the damaged aircraft. After a while, 2 black dots appeared on the horizon - a pair of Me-109s, noticing a lagging fighter, rushed after it in afterburner. When the "hunters" approached a distance of about 1000 meters, the "damaged" I-16 suddenly turned sharply towards the enemy. Golubev recalled:

- That's when dozens of options and calculations for such a maneuver came in handy! I finish the turn at an altitude of about 500 meters, the enemy is much lower than me. He did not expect such a maneuver and found himself in a frontal attack. Both Messers, raising their yellow noses, went at me, apparently believing that I was out of ammunition and was making a false attack. The dark trails from the two Me-109Fs stretch towards my engine. The leading "hunter" is in sight, the distance is about 500 meters, one and a half seconds is left for everything, even for life. Three fiery trails with lightning penetrated the thin body of the Messerschmitt, which flashed five meters below me ...

The flashing German fighter fell to the ground, and Golubev, turning after the second Me-109, fired a salvo of rockets. The enemy plane, which tried to escape with a slide, lost speed and, with a damaged tail unit, caught on the tops of the trees and lost its plane, made an emergency landing at the border of the airfield. Its pilot, wounded by shrapnel, died a few minutes after landing. On the steering wheel of the driven Messer, 26 victories were counted. Thus, the 14th and 15th downed aircraft appeared on Golubev's account.

[Stypor23]

I am very grateful for the info,

[Yuri Sev Caucasus]

not much off topic but about the silence of GDP
US begins open preparations for war
July 7, 2014, Alexander Luzan
No wonder Obama is considered a monkey with a grenade. As part of his campaign, which is already starting, he is ready to pull a check out of a grenade and arrange a third world war, and by no means cold. The most striking confirmation of this is the draft law, “Act on the Prevention of Aggression by Russia 2014”. The law passed two readings and is at the last third stage of adoption.


Reading the law, you are horrified at what the future holds for us and what they want to do with Russia and Ukraine too. And it becomes clear why Russia is so dragged into the war in Ukraine. And everything is done sequentially and systematically. Paragraph 103. Enhanced support for Poland and the Baltic countries includes $ 50 million for each financial year (from 2014 to 2017) for the implementation of the President’s plan.



Permanent basing of NATO forces in the Baltic countries. The President must submit to Congress a plan, including cost estimates, to accelerate the implementation of the missile defense system. The deployment of missile defense systems in Europe should be carried out no later than the end of 2016. And no one is already hiding that the missile defense is against Russia.



Paragraph. 105. Strengthening and close cooperation of the USA and Germany in work on global and European security issues, especially in the light of current events in Europe and Eurasia. 5 million dollars are allocated annually for these purposes. Compared with the Baltic states is not enough. Apparently they do not strongly believe that Merkel will be on the side of the United States, not Putin. But they will try.



Next is Section II. Containment of further aggression of Russia in Europe.



The policy of the United States is to use all relevant elements of US power, in coordination with the united allied states, to protect the independence, sovereignty and territorial and economic integrity of Ukraine and other sovereign states in Europe and Eurasia from Russian aggression.



Naturally, sanctions are proposed. Many have already been introduced. But there is such a clause. Sanctions can be introduced in relation to any natural person or legal entity that the President determines. That is against anyone.



If the Government of the Russian Federation does not withdraw almost all the armed forces of the Russian Federation from the immediate proximity to the eastern border of Ukraine, and the agents of the Russian Federation do not stop taking active measures to destabilize the region, the President imposes sanctions described in relation to the following companies:



(A) Sberbank;
(B) VTB Bank;
© Vnesheconombank;
(D) Gazprombank;
(E) Gazprom;
(F) Novatek;
(G) Rosneft;
(H) Rosoboronexport;


(B) The right to impose a sanction is given to the President under the National Law of Extraordinary Economic Powers.



If the armed forces of the Russian Federation expand their aggression towards the sovereign territory of Ukraine or any other country in Europe or Eurasia after the entry into force of this Law:



(1) all sanctions described in subsection (B) are imposed on the following persons:



(A) any senior Russian official;


(B) any property that is under the control of a senior Russian official;


(C) any close associate of a senior Russian official.



Further more. This is no longer a sanction.



The United States is virtually unilaterally withdrawing from all strategic offensive arms limitation treaties and is actually starting to prepare for a nuclear war. And it was planned, it seems, for a long time, and Ukraine is just an excuse.

[Drednout]

Quote: Yuri Sev Caucasus

No wonder Obama is considered a monkey with a grenade.

What do you!!! He is the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize !!!

[Vadivak]

Quote: Yuri Sev Caucasus

Paragraph. 105. Strengthening and close cooperation of the USA and Germany in work on global and European security issues, especially in the light of current events in Europe and Eurasia. 5 million dollars are allocated annually for these purposes.

Dear, do not panic, what can I buy for 5 million dollars? In Germany, the latest generation Volkswagen Golf GTI costs so much

[divangeneral]

Golf for 5 million dollars? Are you seriously?
is he from gold diamonds or what?

[Vadivak]

Quote: divangeneral

Golf for 5 million dollars? Are you seriously?

Search engine to help you

[Wedmak]

Not just Golf, but GTI.

[papont64]

Crush these bugs, guys, and dust and karbofos. God is with you !!!

[kelevra]

It is necessary to concentrate the blows of this drying in the city and howitzers.

[alone]

Quote: kelevra

It is necessary to concentrate the blows of this drying in the city and howitzers.

Yuri, have you definitely seen this Su-25? Or is it according to Plotnitsky?

[Yuri Sev Caucasus]

The law reads as follows: “The United States will not participate in further negotiations with Russia to reduce nuclear forces until Russia fulfills the existing bilateral nuclear agreement with the United States, including the Treaty between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the elimination of intermediate-range missiles of the USSR and shorter range signed in Washington on December 8, 1987. "



By the way, as you know, just Russia has fulfilled all the clauses of the agreement, and the USA has bypassed some of the clauses. And today there is no nuclear parity. In addition, the nuclear forces of NATO countries did not fall under the treaty. So openly preparing for a nuclear war. It is believed that Russia has been weakened enough. It remains to be drawn into the war with Ukraine and you can attack.



Next, paragraph 206, support for the Russian 5th column, entitled "Support for Russian democracy and civil society." And there, in particular, it says: "To expand free and unhindered access to independent media by increasing the participation of the United States in broadcasting." Those. make broadcasting in Russia dependent on the United States. For these purposes 10 million dollars will be allocated annually.



Now, military assistance to the Ukrainian junta.



The President is authorized to provide Ukraine with all the necessary needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine:



(1) Anti-tank weapons and ammunition.

(2) Anti-aircraft weapons and ammunition.

(3) Command weapons

(4) Small arms and ammunition, including pistols, machine guns, grenades, machine guns and sniper rifles.

(5) Protected vehicles.

(6) Highly mobile multipurpose wheeled vehicles.

(7) Inflatable boats.

(8) Body armor.

(9) Fire control devices, range finder, optical instruments, instrumentation.

(10) Explosive means, equipment for detecting improvised explosive device.
(11) Min detection equipment

(12) Chemical, biological, radiation, nuclear detection, and equipment for protection against the above.

(13) Communications, logistics equipment, medical equipment, specialized equipment, and other articles of protection, services, and training required by the government of Ukraine.



Permission to allocate financial resources. The Secretary of State is allowed to allocate $ 100 million for the 2014 fiscal year. One hundred million dollars on weapons this year alone!



Next Point 302. Share intelligence information with Ukraine



Well, what kind of peace can there be when so much has been allocated to the war?



Next Paragraph 306. Energy Independence of Europe and Eurasia



PROMOTING THE PARTICIPATION OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR OF THE UNITED STATES IN ENERGY DEVELOPMENT IN UKRAINE, GEORGIA AND MOLDOVA.



The Director General of the World Trade Organization and the Development Agency should make joint efforts to assist in the exploitation of existing natural gas reserves, conduct additional research in the field of oil and gas, develop alternative energy sources, including oil and gas, for Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova, including the development of associated transportation, storage and processing facilities, conducting and financing projects in Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova, including feasibility studies, technical assistance, pilot projects, conferences and seminars.



So if gas was ours, it will be American. This is American energy independence.

[a52333]

Quote: Yuri Sev Caucasus

No wonder Obama is considered a monkey with a grenade.

Well, what can I say? !!!
Durak (I'm talking about a woman) is rich in thought ... you never know what he wants ... you can get an answer in the teeth

[jovanni]

It’s time to open training for tankers, air defense and pilots ...

[Vardan]

The best news in the last couple of weeks !!!
Wait, there are pilots and ammunition ...
Good luck brothers!

[Panzerjager]

I am very sorry for the "offtopic", but still I have a request to the respected administration of the site. Could you please track the content of the advertisements placed on the resource? The site is positioned - and it is perceived only in this way - as patriotic, and the advertisement "In the USA with a green card!" Looks "a little inappropriate". and the like. Again, if possible, could you place ad units in articles either at the beginning or at the end of the article? It is very inconvenient to read, especially when you read three or four articles in a row. Eyes stumbling. Yes, I know that there are quite a few cool "advertising protectors", and I use them, but on "VO" they are all turned off, because I understand that the site uses advertising to discourage some of the costs for its content and is not going to interfere with this, on the contrary ... From a purely human point of view, I would just like the ads to be less annoying and less "antipatriotic" ...

[Nikolav]

I am joining. And yesterday I saw a porn site advertisement on VO. This is no way ...

[saag]

This is called contextual advertising, i.e. if you visited a porn site their cookies will be taken information about this and you will be shown :-) Do not panic like that

[portoc65]

every day I see such an advertisement

[Panzerjager]

I can't say about "cookies", my browser has an absolute ban on tracking requests. My "contextual advertising" offers me everything from installing pipes to buying "cheap" trucks and construction equipment. She just gets in the way.

[zzz]

On July 5, in a battle near Izvarino, a Russian man and a fighter of the Donbass militia Alexander Skryabin accomplished a real feat.
According to eyewitnesses, a detachment of Krasnodonians took the battle with superior punitive forces of the Kiev junta. At a critical moment in the battle, when his comrades were injured, Alexander Skryabin threw himself with a bunch of grenades under the enemy’s tank.
Informportal Novorossiya spoke about the feat by publishing a letter from the hero's comrades.
We cite his text in full, without corrections and notes.
"Friends, yesterday there was a battle near Izvarino, friends from Krasnodon took part in it. One was wounded in the leg, but his friend Alexander Scriabin died like a hero, throwing himself with a bunch of grenades under a tank. Here is how his friend V.Yu. told about it. here you can add !!!
This is Alexander Scriabin! My friend and brother! We have known each other since childhood. We studied in the same class. Served in one year. Married almost at the same time, classmates. They served - he is in the VV, I'm in the Airborne Forces. Got married. They lived, were friends, raised children (became godfathers) and now ... war. Before my eyes, Sashka jumped under a ukrov tank and left a hero for us! I don’t even know what I’ll say to my wife and her two daughters ... I don’t know ... I never thought that Sasha was capable of this. He is a hero! REAL HERO !!! He would have been 55. He worked at the Talovskaya mining engineer.
There was a battle near Izvarino. Sashka threw himself under the tank with the words "I've seen you!" None of ours expected this. You know, I am very ashamed that I am an old bastard, but Sasha is gone. I will not live - I will take revenge. And now he's gone. Sorry, it's hard. Such death is the highest feat !!! Now we are going on the attack under the words "Get up, the country is huge!" Bandera piss off and the panic is boundless! ".

A militia miner, saving his comrades, rushed with grenades under the tank

As noted, 55-year-old Alexander Scriabin worked as a mining engineer at the Talovskaya mine in Molodogvardeisk. He left a wife and two daughters ...
Eternal memory to you, hero! The Kingdom of heaven!

[lecturer]

I bow before His memory and Honor!
And I am proud that he is a Russian Warrior!

[ded10041948]

This is some who wrote about the miners in response!
Eternal memory to the MAN and the WARRIOR!

[Rigla]

Given the absolute corruption in Bandera, you just need to buy pilots and planes from them and let them bite their former colleagues from the air.

[GRAY]

14-34, On the morning of July 7, supporters of the LPR attacked junta fighters in the city of Happiness in the LPR. Ukrainian punishers suffered losses.
During the battle, the commander of the Kholodny Yar punitive unit Yevgeny Voitsekhovsky was shot.

14-45, From an Informed Source:
- UPD: VERY IMPORTANT! Verified information from the source from the place. In the outskirts of Slavyansk, where previously there were positions of junta troops, construction equipment appeared. Excavation work is underway, the territory is guarded, posts from nazgad are placed around the perimeter, patrolling is ongoing; Apparently they open their own burial grounds, where they previously dug up conscripts who refused to shoot civilians and their punishers.
This is especially correlated with other information received from Kiev - there is evidence that the Ukrainian propagandists are going to mount a report in which they tell about the "atrocities" of the militia, they say, they shot civilians. Considering that there are already the first killed among the civilian population after the entry of dill into Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, the provocation can take place literally today or tomorrow. A source from Kiev said the report was scheduled for tomorrow. Please spread this situation as much as possible on social media to prevent this heinous provocation.
UPD 1: Congratulations to the LPR with aviation. At one of the LNR airports, the SU-25 sat down, the pilot surrendered, or an emergency landing, and so the pilot surrendered - it does not matter. In general - with an initiative!
UPD 2: 13:00 (Moscow time) In the area of ​​"Shakhtar" there is thick black smoke - this is a garage garbage dump on which there are discarded slopes and cans, hence such a strong smoke. (from)

15-00, 07.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. Summary from places (message from the Internet source):
- The situation on the fronts is difficult
Punishers fired artillery and hail from the gardens of residents of Seversk. Probably - they want to destroy the potato crop. And who after this Colorado?
The village of Ulyanovsk, Amvrosiyivsky District (DPR) - a battle took place in 3 km from the Russian border. Natsgadov drove away.

15-29, According to data from Lugansk, there is a shelling by the militias of the airport. They shoot at the punishers of mortars, with 3-4 positions.
Taken from http://voicesevas.ru/

[GHOST29RUS]

Well done militia! They would still have tanks and could drive dill from the airport

[Vend]

I'm certainly not a military man, but what can one aircraft do when 2 or more flies up against it? Bomb the airfield (runway) and attack aircraft with a pile of non-flying iron. Without a strip but will not take off. Yes, and hide it is not so easy.

[kyznets]

Well, let's go to dream now ... :) Although it pleases and sounds: "Luhansk Air Force" or "Air Force of Novorossiya"!

[DOMINO100]

but if the militias had this, or maybe this, oh no, this is definitely suitable. what’s in the market ??? it feels like they took a stealth! maybe Ukrainian troops do not have air defense ?! Yes, 100 points, the states will throw them dozens of stinger to destroy this drying. Yes, and the Needle is in service. Little joy against the background of the big picture, a child’s hysteria began as if he saw a new toy bought by his mother. You look at life more objectively! 15 year olds here drool at the sight of one new tick or asterisk. You can immediately calculate that 90% just write in a common stream to increase * rank *. I see priest and that's it.

[Siberian]

sergej! Why are you so grouchy? Well, people are happy, dreaming, optimistic. Is it bad?

[DOMINO100]

Yes, everything is normal Sibiryak. just dashed under the mood.

[alone]

Maybe T-64, not T-72? Ukrainians use only T-64 tanks of various modifications. But if Plotnitsky still showed photos or videos of the Su-25, it would be very interesting. But according to words, it’s somehow not Know to believe or not to believe.

[GRAY]

Quote: lonely

Ukrainians use only t-64 tanks

From Wikipedia: Ukraine - 600 T-72 in storage, as of 2013 [68]

[alone]

But in all the video summaries and photographs, only the t-64 is visible

[GRAY]

Quote: lonely

But in all the video summaries and photographs, only the t-64 is visible

I repeat:

In storage

[alone]

Quote: GRAY

In storage

So they don’t use them, since they are in storage. Would you use the T-72 if you have the T-64 in service, and next is the manufacturer of these T-64s, where are the spare parts for these cars in bulk? Do not consider the Ukrainians as complete fools. They also think well of various options.

[mihasik]

There was a video with a militia in my opinion in Semyonovka at a checkpoint, who told how one Ukrop "liner" took unknown planes into a "box" and took them towards the border ... Isn't that the "Rook"?))

[cosmos132]

Besides one aircraft, you need to have support equipment, people, a guidance system, etc.
Do not refuel with kerosene at a gas station. The combat radius of action is 300km.

[nizrum]

As far as I remember, they already had some planes ... in my opinion, some light, training chtoli ...

But in general, this is more advertising, so that soo took off, you need a lot ... this is still a long way off ...

[Palladium900]

The militias have to scrape through the gophers and find an intercontinental ballistic missile ..

[Wedmak]

And then where to put it? Put to one side and roll to Kiev?

[pensioner]

Pleases. If there were more planes for them, more powerful air defense, and howitzers more thoroughly and in general: it will be possible to live.
And yet off topic. The death of Shevarnadze. Although today my heart is aching and my blood pressure is sore, I’ll drink a hundredth of it with pleasure.

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: retired

not yet off topic. The death of Shevarnadze.

Yes, in the subject, in the subject ... One cattle in the world has become less. Count aspen to his grave.

[1-Patriot]

Why 1? They would take 10 pieces!

[Wedmak]

One is not enough. A very good target for air defense of dill. Given that the militia especially does not have access to concrete.

[kowalski]

Range 495 km.
Thank! Damn, it won’t reach Kiev ...

[Wedmak]

And he has nothing to do over Kiev. Do not be like the Ukrainian army and release NARs in the Maidan .... but the powder and the company will still not get it.

[taburetka]

Even if it doesn’t reach Kiev, it’ll put a little in the pants, the end of the impregnability of their rear has come. And then we got into a fuss!

[parusnik]

Good luck ... I think soon there will be more such planes ... and all the trophies ...

[Balu495]

ShturmKGB

to recapture the airport from dill ...

A few volleys by Iskanders at dill airfields - they will have nothing to fly on.

[SeAl2014]

Down and Out trouble started!

[MSA]

Great news ! It will be easier with DRYING, tick dill until it's too late ...

[Yellow white]

And what about the situation in New Russia with flying clubs?
Aerotechnics, which is sports, again for farm purposes!

The task is the hardest, to break if not the ukrov technique, then at least turn the runways into a mess!

[GRAY]

The pathos level on the background of captured Slavyansk. Paphos spoil only a few nuances:
* The collimator is installed back to front
* The mechanical sight is closed
* The belt is fixed on the ramrod

[sinukvl]

Five points!!!

[Rostovchanin]

* The belt is fixed on the ramrod

also of some unprecedented length ...

[ded10041948]

But there is no need to prompt the U.O.d.a.m!

[Torn]

So it's European)

[iwakura]

Well, that's right, everything as the right American brothers will:
a long belt so that the machine hangs on the levels of motni just above the knees
a collimator and a sight are needed exclusively for show-offs, while the brothers are taught to shoot from outstretched arms with their weapons on their side
in the case of a very likely quick "evacuation", the release from a heavy machine gun occurs in one jerk

[Appius]

Victories are always pleasing, the main thing is not to stop and beat this Kiev junta. God help you!

[KAVTORANG -II]

Quote: a52333

DNR aircraft can multiply by budding .... wink

Disputes
+ set it off.

[sever.56]

July 7 - Aviation Day of New Russia. With an initiative!

[Dmitry Donskoy]

Rumor has it they took him into a box and planted, but dill does not blather because the pilot from Pind0stan. Obamkin probably already pulled out all the hair on his 0pe

[Anchonsha]

Not bad, but that’s nothing at all for the militias. For a long time, something has been swinging with the creation of power structures for the war with the junta, but this does not work for nothing. Well, at least Strelkov from the leader of the Slavic militia became one of such leaders in Donetsk. Dill is already organizing a hunt for it, the bastards realized what this man is.

[tomcat117]

"The militia gets its own military aviation"

I would like the aviation to increase, but for a start, this "single fire" would appear simultaneously in ten places of battles, to the fear of Kiev.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

The militia must also hijack the submarine "Zaporozhye"