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General Staff of Ukraine: we are on the eve of the catastrophe

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General Staff of Ukraine: we are on the eve of the catastrophe


A source from Kiev reports that panicky moods reign in the Ukrainian General Staff — from day to day a catastrophic defeat of the ATO forces in the south is expected.

It is reported that the plan of the operation, developed in the General Staff and implemented since the beginning of June, has been repeatedly and grossly violated under pressure from the SBU and the so-called "advisers". In particular, the plan provided for dissecting strikes along the lines of Dmitrov-Debaltsevo and Amvrosiyivka-Debaltseve in order to isolate Donetsk and ensure the safety of the left flank of the ATO forces advancing from the south along the border to Izvarino and Krasnodon.

If the attack of the ATO forces on Debaltseve from Dmitrov ended on the outskirts of Gorlovka, but did not entail tragic consequences, an unsuccessful blow from the side of Amvrosievka put the entire ATO in a critical situation. Not only didn’t they manage to capture Amvrosievka and Snezhnoye from the raid, but the militia also retained the height of Saur-Mogila. Given the fact that in the battles for Snezhnoye the militias first used armored vehicles (including Tanks) in large quantities - the Ukrainian side speaks of 15 tanks, as well as the fact that the DPR units actively used air defense systems, the Ukrainian General Staff insisted on updating the operation plans, but the SBU leadership and "advisers" insisted on continuing a dashing offensive along the border with unsecured flanks .

As a result of a similar adjustment of operational plans by the special services and corps specialists, the main grouping of the southern ATO forces, with a large number of tanks, other armored vehicles and artillery, advanced more than 60 kilometers along the border, retaining the narrow isthmus between mountain Saur in the rear. -Mogila and the Russian border - no more 7-8 kilometers. That is, all the columns of the supply of the ATO forces turned out to be in full view in front of the militia - in clear weather, even the Sea of ​​Azov can be seen from Saur-Mohyla, which is 90 kilometers away.

Punishment for bungling followed immediately - from mid-June until the end of the “truce”, according to the Ukrainian General Staff, in the south, the DPR reconnaissance and sabotage groups attacked and partially destroyed more than 20 supply columns. At the moment, the group of anti-terrorist operation forces, which occupied the Dolzhansky checkpoint and which approached Sverdlovsk from the south, is conditionally capable as it is experiencing a shortage of fuel and food. The basis of the ATO forces in this “semi-fabulous” is the 72-I separate Guards Krasnograd Kiev Order of the Red Banner mechanized brigade, whose fighters, in principle, do not feel much enthusiasm when conducting combat operations against the Donbas militia.

But if, before 4 July, the advancement of the anti-terrorist operation forces with an unsecured flank was simply an adventure, relying on the fact that the militia had no reserves for an offensive, then the next day, 5 July, when in Kiev it became known that the Slavyansk garrison headed by Strelkov broke from the besieged city and arrived in Donetsk and Snezhnoye, in the General Staff of Ukraine a frank panic began.

The panic was aggravated by the fact that July 3, as a result of "friendly fire" (a common practice in the Armed Forces of Ukraine), was seriously contused about the head of the General Staff of Ukraine, Mikhail Kutsin. As a result of this, as well as due to the fact that the undercover games and intrigues immediately began on the topic of who will take Kutsin's place, little interaction between the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the SBU, the National Guard and the "volunteer battalions" was completely broken.

Nevertheless, the General Staff has infected all the participants of the process with its alarm - and some urgent measures were taken: ATO forces (which could have been scraped up and delivered to the site within 24 hours) set off for a decisive assault on Mount Saur-Mogila. In the forehead, in the open steppe, on large-caliber machine guns, and, as it turned out, under the destruction of artillery fire - with a natural result. The only consoling moment - the greatest casualties (up to half of the personnel) were borne by the Azov volunteer battalion (a gathering of lightly controlled criminals and Nazis), and not by military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The recent fact that a powerful artillery fist was created by the militias in Saur-Mogila and in its vicinity caused the General Staff to be completely disheartened - in this situation, we urgently need to start withdrawing troops from Dolzhansky and Sverdlovsk, but people are same sane as Adolf Hitler in the situation with the Stalingrad "boiler".

At the moment, many officers of the General Staff of Ukraine are demoralized and suppressed. Demoralized by the fact that military actions are led by amateurs from the special services who lead the situation to collapse and defeat; suppressed by the fact that they have made a meat grinder and committed many war crimes from the logical and even beautiful plan of the ATO, the SBU, the "advisers" and the "National Guard", and are trying to distance themselves from responsibility.

It is also necessary to say that the entire officer corps of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is in a state of constant stress while awaiting an operation of "enforcing peace" on the part of the RF Armed Forces. It is also clear for competent Kiev officers that there are no prospects for the ATO - the stated goals are not achieved, the resources are running out, the resistance of the rebel republics is growing ...
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  1. portoc65
    portoc65 7 July 2014 14: 57
    +133
    Be afraid right ... Our cause is just! Victory will be ours!!!!!!!!!! soldier
    1. Himalayan
      Himalayan 7 July 2014 15: 00
      +73
      Judging by Akhmetov-Kurginyan - the panic is not sickly
      1. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 7 July 2014 15: 05
        +51
        Himalayan Pan!
        But is it time for you to stop posting the same thing?
        As the old proverb says:
        "You said once - and I believed;
        You said two - and I doubted ...
        You said three - and I realized that you were lying "...


        Stop, because spam is not in the face of a warrior!

        PS Both minuses in your posts are mine.
        1. Himalayan
          Himalayan 7 July 2014 16: 00
          +19
          Somewhere here I posted something similar about this coincidence, Akhmetov-Kurginyan?
          -Lie and cons sculpt the same ... somehow not very masculine? wink

          Maybe personal in PM?
          ---
          And positive is always good!
          1. Old Cynic
            Old Cynic 7 July 2014 16: 07
            +8
            Pan Himalayan, I sincerely apologize to you!

            Here is your message:
            "Himalayan (1) Today, 15:00 ↑ ↓

            Judging by Akhmetov-Kurginyan - a sickly panic "

            30 minutes ago I watched THREE !!!
            And at different times !!!!

            Please accept my sincere apologies, apparently there was a glitch in the Forum.
            I take off my cons, Dear!
            1. Himalayan
              Himalayan 7 July 2014 16: 15
              +23
              Yes, good ! If a "jamb" pops up, we are in no hurry to poke a young man and reproach it, why is it in vain on every occasion ?! - We patiently point out and help to grow. Since this green can, in the future, save your life. War, even information war, is a collective work.
              1. elmir15
                elmir15 7 July 2014 19: 13
                +22
                Kurginyan merges Strelkova.

                What right does the couch warrior Kurgilyan have the right to condemn the real warrior Strelkova? What is a political drain order? I recall that the hero of Russia Kvachkov continues to sit, and Chubais, Gorbachev and others are free.
                1. goga 35
                  goga 35 7 July 2014 21: 05
                  +21
                  But why did Mr. Kurginyan put machine guns nearby? For solidity or what?
                  1. Torn
                    Torn 8 July 2014 00: 10
                    +6
                    So is fighting
                  2. ArhipenkoAndrey
                    ArhipenkoAndrey 8 July 2014 09: 00
                    +11
                    he gets solidity, so that he understands on the couch and at the same time in the war, he thinks he’s very courageous and even risks his health, because it’s scary.
                  3. ksv36
                    ksv36 8 July 2014 11: 32
                    +6
                    Well, so, "couch general", plastic machines.
                  4. Kushadasov
                    Kushadasov 8 July 2014 13: 12
                    +4
                    somehow painfully familiar picture already ... rastropovich and automatic ...))
                2. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 7 July 2014 21: 12
                  +8
                  Is Kurginyan drunk? What oaths? Why automatic machines? Where did this video come from?
                  1. ver_
                    ver_ 8 July 2014 06: 13
                    +1
                    .... maybe the GAME scenario requires such a demarche-maneuver - how ships put a smoke screen ...
                3. Kerzhak
                  Kerzhak 7 July 2014 21: 29
                  +15
                  So you’ll think about it after such statements by Kurginyan, whom and for what Stalin shot.
                4. Firstvanguard
                  Firstvanguard 7 July 2014 21: 32
                  +23
                  Kurginyan merges Strelkova.
                  Kurginyan hysterical like a woman (C)
                  Probably he is much more visible than Strelkov what and how to do, what is enough and what is not.
                  Special report from the sofa, with automatic equipment in the form of props.
                  Is the military technical imbalance over? Strelkov has "Rooks", "Crocodiles", "Tornadoes" or maybe "Acats" with "Carnations"? Is Kurginyan an expert in guerrilla warfare? Where was the partisan?
                  There was a better opinion of this man sad
                  1. ty60
                    ty60 7 July 2014 21: 58
                    +9
                    he partisan in the kitchen. during the time of Brezhnev, and rewarded himself with Brezhnev authority.
                  2. Suhow
                    Suhow 7 July 2014 23: 58
                    +4
                    HONESTLY TALKING ABOUT KURYAGIN, I have not heard about the massacre in Slavyansk, it is also unlikely that the new government is not profitable. Perhaps later after the victory, if there is no armed underground, then something will happen, but not now. Further retreat is necessary at least in order not to kill the peaceful the inhabitants, and there’s not much strength, given that under the guise of militias there are gangs and possibly specialists from the services. Obvious and easier to wash then. There are things that constrain them, but it’s difficult to step over it. Yes, and for that you can ... There are no repressions in Kiev yet, but the situation is periodically escalating, there are some who are not happy, but I think that it’s a punitive operation, and they started it so that the new authorities could stay on the throne.
                  3. Kushadasov
                    Kushadasov 8 July 2014 13: 14
                    +5
                    I agree, colleague. I personally have what kind of cognitive dissonance occurred in relation to Kurginyan ... maybe his mattress bite? ... I don’t understand anything what
                  4. The comment was deleted.
                  5. Spectator
                    Spectator 8 July 2014 21: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: Firstvanguard
                    There was a better opinion of this man

                    in such situations, it is just revealed who is a real friend, and who just mimicked as "friends"
                5. efimich41
                  efimich41 7 July 2014 21: 37
                  +12
                  It seems like an old man, but he hasn’t made up his mind, or an ordered performance for “bucks”. If you do not understand military tactics - sit down and shut up. Outrageous performance.
                6. Arseny
                  Arseny 7 July 2014 23: 02
                  +12
                  I did not even finish watching Kurginyanu until the end of this. Bullshit carries this politician. Either stoned or drunk. Question to military expert Kurginyan. Kutuzov surrendered Moscow to the French. Moscow !!!! And then he defeated the French. How does this outstanding military expert relate to this, as I understand it, he did not even serve urgent (of course).
                  1. boris-1230
                    boris-1230 8 July 2014 20: 28
                    +1
                    This "nerd", kitchen strategist and reformer judges the military actions from the films. Not like gunpowder - he didn't smell the footcloth. And everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side! Under Stalin, I would have been polishing the ax with my palms for a long time. "The hares are completely loose - they do not give the wolves a pass!" angry
                7. azkolt
                  azkolt 7 July 2014 23: 15
                  +3
                  Here is a good analysis of the situation in Novorossia
                  http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2570-o-politicheskoy-podopleke-travli-stre
                  lkova.html
                8. Philemon
                  Philemon 8 July 2014 03: 36
                  +4
                  Of course, we don’t know all this under the carpet fuss, but it seems to me that it’s time for Kurginyan to retire. And faster. And then you can foolishly get a brick on the head near the entrance.
                9. Ural45
                  Ural45 8 July 2014 07: 52
                  0
                  This contraceptive with defects in general with its own head should not appear on the VO website. not only in the form of a face, but even more so with his own speech. He does not need to go to Donetsk, but to flee to the State Department. Odd with the letter "M". He has already "promoted" himself so much that even a premature fetus understands "hu is who." True, then what to think about his associates ?!
                10. GrandsonUncle Vasi
                  GrandsonUncle Vasi 8 July 2014 14: 00
                  +1
                  Here is a paid chuvyrla! Never listened to the ravings of this pretzel! Maybe he should go to Shustriklife for more PR ?!
                  1. Victor Demchenko
                    Victor Demchenko 8 July 2014 19: 44
                    0
                    nope! such idiots paid for current on the "Rain" take. fellow
                11. Dry_T-50
                  Dry_T-50 8 July 2014 14: 11
                  0
                  God, how I hate these "experts".
                12. Evgeniy.
                  Evgeniy. 8 July 2014 18: 57
                  0
                  what is imbicil?
                13. Spectator
                  Spectator 8 July 2014 21: 22
                  0
                  Quote: elmir15
                  Kurginyan merges Strelkova.

                  Fufu, what a nasty kurginyan, hysterical.
                  always somehow did not like him
                  "What is this political order for the drain?"
                  here is the answer to you;)
                  http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1652174.html
                14. IMB
                  IMB 9 July 2014 01: 42
                  0
                  an ordinary rat, on the one hand imagining himself a sage, on the other, a talking head in the hands of politicians, using it as a condom
                  never when impressed, kind of sniffed and hysterical
                15. Evgtan
                  Evgtan 9 July 2014 10: 39
                  +1
                  Everyone considers himself a strategist
                  Seeing the battle from the side
                  Shota Rustaveli
                16. Victor Wolz
                  Victor Wolz 9 July 2014 17: 59
                  0
                  Kurginyan is like Mehlis during the war, the commissar.
        2. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic 7 July 2014 16: 13
          +22
          Dear forum users!
          I ask you to cancel your pluses to my message, because, as it seems to me, my fair indignation was caused by the failure of the Forum, therefore the message of the Pan of the Himalayan TRIDIA was duplicated, which caused my, as it turned out, inadequate reaction!

          Thank you so much for understanding, but I still apologize to the Pan of the Himalayan again !!!
          1. Himalayan
            Himalayan 7 July 2014 16: 18
            +18
            Yes Hare spam))) - Business something! Paste and Paste.
            -

            Though there is a reason to giggle
        3. severniy
          severniy 7 July 2014 22: 54
          +1
          100% desa, stsuki breach, and they hold a knife behind their back ...
      2. jjj
        jjj 7 July 2014 15: 09
        +35
        Such crossings across the border with Russia are valid. And this is good. As for Kurginyan, he squealed about three weeks ago. Then both our extreme left and liberals suddenly, as if on command, began unanimously to reproach Putin that he would not send troops to Ukraine. The surge was on this resource
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 7 July 2014 16: 02
          +23
          Quote: jjj
          Such crossings across the border with Russia are valid. And this is good. As for Kurginyan, he squealed about three weeks ago. Then both our extreme left and liberals suddenly, as if on command, began unanimously to reproach Putin that he would not send troops to Ukraine. The surge was on this resource

          - well, such news is encouraging, it is completely deterring you from falling into completely anti-Putin positions when you read such news, you catch yourself thinking that maybe Putin will be able to slip into the eye of a needle - and do without invading Ukraine with all the ensuing consequences - different sanctions , we panic at the entry of Sweden, Finland into NATO, increased funding for our armies by geyropic countries, further anti-gas steps and others and others, and at the same time defend Little Russia, by the forces of those volunteers who jumped out of nowhere, like a devil from a snuff-box. Or even with these Maloross forces to take all of Ukraine - it would be generally super! But this is really a needle eye - I would not even try.
          And then, when the "polite people" surfaced in Crimea, and the junta was all paralyzed from fear, except for babbling, then Russia "makes a big mistake by annexing Crimea", did not betray anything - that is when it would flood the whole of Ukraine with polite people, it would wait fleeing the junta would have returned Yanukovych, and then he would have begun to defend Yanukovych's legitimacy in all the world's tribunes. Of course, Yanukovych would then be forced to remove his post anyway - well, pretend that we surrender, as it were, we concede, and appoint the election of a new President of Ukraine, but while they were cursing and while negotiations were going on "Is Yanukovych legitimate or illegitimate?" Yanukovych would have managed to federalize Ukraine, the law on its out-of-blockness would have been carried out ... And then they would continue to fight for Tsarev with their influence ... Tsarev would have won - a complete win. If Tsarev had lost - well, whoever came there, let him try to abolish all laws on non-aligned and federal structure. Things like this after acceptance are hard to play back. It seems to me that this path would be much more bloodless.
          But Putin decided to take a longer path. After the return of Crimea, he did not do anything. After the emergence of resistance forces in the DPR and LPR, he reassured them with possible help. He conducted exercises at the borders of Ukraine in a timely manner, accompanied by a tough statement by Shoigu. After all this, he began to pretend to be an angel in sheep's clothing, a peace lover and a peacekeeper, and still depicts today. Hoping that the militias are quite skilled and dispense with the help of Russia. According to the encouraging news of Sabzh - his calculations are NON-FALSE. If you get the whole plan with the passage into the eye of the needle - Putin’s honor and praise. Only I still will remain a mystery - why such a long way? When was it possible, with a certain determination, to solve everything much more quickly and much more bloodlessly?
          1. saag
            saag 7 July 2014 16: 26
            +11
            Quote: aksakal
            let him try to repeal all laws on non-alignedness and the federal structure. It’s hard to win back things like that after adoption.

            nothing complicated for Rada here
            1. saha6052
              saha6052 8 July 2014 04: 35
              +2
              I completely agree: it’s hard to win back with blood. Sober people have long paid attention: the West canceled its formal right, forget about it, like a pleasant dream, Lucifer’s cavalry enters the arena, AS THE ONLY ORGANIC MEASURE OF ALL THINGS, and illusions? Is inertia a bone and poorly enlightened consciousness, it will gradually mature, some will not be helped even by a concentration camp with a crematorium, this is confirmed by the practice-criterion of Truth: a country with unique experience is not ready for a frontal collision.
          2. 97110
            97110 7 July 2014 17: 10
            +5
            Quote: aksakal
            When was it possible, with a certain determination, to solve everything much more quickly and much more bloodlessly?
            Immediately I remember "or a hook on the head with a queen"
          3. 97110
            97110 7 July 2014 17: 10
            0
            Quote: aksakal
            When was it possible, with a certain determination, to solve everything much more quickly and much more bloodlessly?
            Immediately I remember "or a hook on the head with a queen"
          4. Associate Professor
            Associate Professor 7 July 2014 17: 43
            +30
            Quote: aksakal
            Only I still will remain a mystery - why such a long way? When was it possible, with a certain determination, to solve everything much more quickly and much more bloodlessly?

            And there are three reasons, in my opinion:
            1. I don’t want to be invaders in the eyes of zombie Ukrainians and take responsibility for the 43 millionth country economically. And the citizens of Ukraine would place all the responsibility for the "bad life" on Russia (they say, only the Maidan won, just about Ukraine would enter Europe, just about we would heal in a European way, and then the Russians came and broke everything off. No, thanks! Russia does not need such "gratitude".
            2. Such steps would finally rally the West against Russia. And we need to split NATO. After all, even Beria and Stalin suggested that, in order to succeed in the confrontation with the United States, the USSR must either go to the Atlantic, displacing the United States and Britain from the continent, or leave Germany itself, but on condition that the United States and Britain withdraw troops from the continent and Germany is assigned a neutral status.
            3. Sanctions. It is clear that these sanctions will be worse for everyone except the United States. The technologies necessary for modernizing Russia, we can get in the right time only from Europe in the main areas.
            1. DOMINO100
              DOMINO100 7 July 2014 19: 23
              +10
              and here in the Baltic States our politicians are amazed, they want all the sanctions in the world for Russia, but they themselves are already looking around! and whining, whining at their impenetrable fate.
            2. old man
              old man 7 July 2014 22: 59
              +2
              The most to the point.
            3. The comment was deleted.
              1. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 8 July 2014 19: 50
                +1
                complete confusion, no coherent thought! in history, the subjunctive is not an ethical young man! If yes ... request
          5. rodevaan
            rodevaan 7 July 2014 18: 54
            +5
            Quote: aksakal
            why such a long way? When was it possible, with a certain determination, to solve everything much more quickly and much more bloodlessly?


            - So, it’s not so simple as it seems to us here. I think there are reasons for waiting. Putin is 10 times smarter than all those Westernoid witches. And this he repeatedly proved in practice more than once. I am sure that we will defend Novorossia!
          6. Flexsus
            Flexsus 7 July 2014 19: 14
            +9
            Understand, if we brought in troops, then in the eyes of the world community, Russia would become an aggressor, as our "partners" laid down the terms, and would automatically equate our country with Hitler's Germany.
            1. saha6052
              saha6052 8 July 2014 04: 59
              +1
              "Understand," - only I do what I try. "Partners" have laid down the conditions - this is for the aksakal, he draws here the figure of the great strategist and his spiritual mentors. Real "medicine does not allow when metastases cover the entire body (this is called diagnostics ) and cauterizes the neoplasm in the embryo, but we see that? -XNUMX years subversive work has been carried out on your border, and you do not know? -can you work as a head of a toilet, and not a state? -this for the imperials, but for the Soviet supporters of the Alternative project: if you do not go forward in the struggle for the minds of people, then these Minds will "have" others, including yourself: if you do not have positive ideas, you will be a galler slave of strangers and aliens, sen Kazakhsha belesemba?
          7. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 7 July 2014 21: 43
            +5
            Only I still will remain a mystery - why such a long way? When was it possible, with a certain determination, to solve everything much more quickly and much more bloodlessly?
            Do you own all the information that GDP owns about the totality of all factors in making a decision? I do not own, we can judge the correctness and length of the path only after some time, having seen some results. The preceding parties in a game without rules under the name of geopolitics were left to the GDP, it is from them that I can judge the actions of the GDP, the current decisions for us are a mystery and an occasion for the tantrums of the swamp and divan troops.
          8. saha6052
            saha6052 8 July 2014 04: 28
            0
            Yes, the aksakal is piling up, Napoleon is resting. I may well be wrong, but I am very far from such sensations. Have you seen the faces of the Stooltins? - Have you read their texts? - Have you heard their interviews? - No? - But in vain. The border of the Empire was on the Cuba, then - the Berlin Wall, then - Brest, now - Kharkov - trends - brands did not notice? - sorry, Napoleon would have grabbed his head and that if he did not know where Rust landed his plane, and if he were told: who took wires on Vasilievsky Spusk, so that the "boy" from fraternal Germany does not get entangled in them and does not break his nose, and people like me did not sarcastically, such as: the wire net over Red Square is the legendary Russian air defense system. Why do people fool themselves? - and you want something pleasant until fascism dispels its Manilov illusions.
          9. ver_
            ver_ 8 July 2014 06: 19
            0
            .... Ukraine should die as a state ..., by the way - feel like Zhirinovsky - the "jester" under the tsars was allowed to cut the truth-womb, even at a banquet ...
          10. badger1974
            badger1974 8 July 2014 11: 19
            0
            why such a long way? When was it possible, with a certain determination, to solve everything much more quickly and much more bloodlessly?

            then what would banderlogs recall where their place is, and help and subsequent power is a matter of time again, and the campaign of the demise of the outskirts as a state, the first thing is to eat with your previously washed hands, the second is to eat carefully and leisurely in order to avoid gastritis that flows smoothly into an ulcer the main organ of digestion, it’s a pity that modera forbid obscenities, it would be so
          11. Sandov
            Sandov 8 July 2014 20: 00
            0
            Quote: aksakal
            Hoping that the militias are quite skilled and dispense with the help of Russia.

            All the same, you need help for anyone. The Nazis do not wash so katanim destroy Rusich.
        2. Carlos
          Carlos 7 July 2014 20: 44
          +3
          Do not pay attention to Kurginyan. I'm just sure that the differences between tactics, strategy and operational art are a dark forest for him. Strelkov is not easy, and 20 failed RPGs are already a betrayal.
      3. Good_Taxist
        Good_Taxist 7 July 2014 15: 19
        +19
        Lugansk militias announced the creation of their aircraft
        http://politikus.ru/events/23636-luganskie-opolchency-obyavili-o-sozdanii-svoey-
        aviaci.html
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 7 July 2014 15: 51
          +8
          Quote: Good_Taxist
          Lugansk militias announced the creation of their aircraft
          http://politikus.ru/events/23636-luganskie-opolchency-obyavili-o-sozdanii-svoey-

          aviaci.html

          There was a video with a militia in my opinion in Semyonovka at a checkpoint, who told how one Ukrop "liner" took unknown planes into a "box" and took them towards the border ... Isn't that the "Rook"?))
          1. Philemon
            Philemon 8 July 2014 03: 48
            +1
            Yes, they do. Do not believe kume. Those were aliens ...)))
      4. old man54
        old man54 7 July 2014 15: 37
        +19
        Quote: Himalayan
        Judging by Akhmetov-Kurginyan - the panic is not sickly

        yeah, so I didn’t expect such a vainness from Ervandych! From whom, from whom, but not from him ... Scumbag in general! negative Even if we assume that she is right in this snotty hysteria of her own, this in no way gives him the right to share such statements on camera !! This is equivalent to if some political mongrel of the Moscow spill (not even the Kremlin spill) in October / November 1941 made the same statements to the press with criticism and accusations of treason Zhukov, Tymoshenko and others! And anyway, how long would she have lived in 41 then that mongrel? laughing Although the Supreme Commander-in-Chief at 41 had every reason to suspect the generals of treason, even he did not allow himself in the conditions of war and did not allow himself such public statements !!
        Today, all strategists, Mathiu, are sitting on leather sofas under a safe. angry
      5. VAF
        VAF 7 July 2014 15: 39
        +23
        Quote: Himalayan
        Judging by Akhmetov


        Akhmetov's panic is understandable, as a gift from God. if they "compare from the face of the earth" as well as Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, then what will remain of his "property" wassat

        And so the article is very positive, but not trustworthy .... 85 tanks of the 1st Zhytomyr army and .. Mount Saur-Mogila "ended", not to mention aviation.

        everything is too "sweet" .. as if Strelkov's "Nones" are already moving along Khreshchatyk to Nezalezhnosti Square recourse
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 7 July 2014 16: 03
          +17
          But where can I get them, 85, combat-ready, manned drugs, fuel and lubricants and BZ, with rear areas and so that at this height? With aviation, ukrov is also not as healthy as at the beginning of the ATO, air defense more or less develops among rebels. It was smooth on paper ... But, of course, you should not relax.
        2. Paradoxov
          Paradoxov 7 July 2014 17: 19
          +14
          "everything is too" sweet "...

          With us Russians, when "everything is sweet" stops comforting, we urgently switch to "bitter";)

          And in my opinion everything in the article is quite competent according to military science, if you do not read about the emotions of the ukrovodvod. And Strelkov constantly confirmed this - looking at the map of the National Guard’s maneuvers on any military’s hair on end ... Well, that’s how historically it happened, my uncle general, who was from Kharkov, participated in the capture of Berlin, the humble man was saying so: of us Ukrainians get excellent commanders ... only drill drill;)
          1. Monge
            Monge 8 July 2014 11: 59
            0
            Remember L.N. Gumilyov spoke of excellent ensigns and foremen companies that are obtained from Ukrainians wink I think that we should be treated like a joke. Or not?
        3. Tyumen
          Tyumen 8 July 2014 00: 14
          +1
          Quote: vaf
          Akhmetov’s panic is understandable. As a divine gift

          You better write further about airplanes.
      6. dr.Bo
        dr.Bo 7 July 2014 15: 43
        +12
        Quote: Himalayan
        Judging by Akhmetov-Kurginyan - the panic is not sickly

        Kurginyan, what became the fifth column ???
        Look at his panic!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtGIh8RfP08
        Spitting saliva, draining Strelka, incomprehensible accusations,
        not beautiful at all ((((
        1. nvv
          nvv 7 July 2014 16: 06
          +5
          Maybe this is the last reserve unclarified? Kurginyan, what became the 5th column ???
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 7 July 2014 16: 10
          +18
          Why are everyone surprised with Kurginyan? He was in the commission under the Union of Theater Workers of the RSFSR, although he graduated from the Geological Prospecting Institute, joined the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and managed to visit the Democrat, participated in the seizure, received two buildings in Moscow for balance, participated in the EBN election campaign ... now he’s a patriot.
          Typical fittest.
        3. ispaniard
          ispaniard 7 July 2014 16: 15
          +10
          As one predictor said, the border will pass along the Dnieper ... But this victory / agreement with the United States on the division of spheres of influence is not so important as the fact that the Russian society will be cleansed of every city. Only normal people will remain who really love their country, but at the same time are not inclined to indulge in schizophrenic "Hurray" frenzy ... If Nemtsov, Makar, and "Night sniper" can be attributed to the "Urah patriots" who are blind (and whether blind ...) in the "Patriotic frenzy" can already begin to include -Mikhalkov, Kurginyan, Dugin.
          1. bubla5
            bubla5 7 July 2014 16: 41
            +3
            And what about those who are smiling --- to Russia until better times, I'm talking about men
            1. biznaw
              biznaw 7 July 2014 16: 56
              +3
              Nothing ... just to give work to cattlemen in our villages of non-black soil there are no men left
            2. Penzyac
              Penzyac 7 July 2014 22: 10
              +3
              Quote: bubla5
              And what about those who are smiling --- to Russia until better times, I'm talking about men

              And these are ordinary cowards, although not the most cowardly, to go to Russia through the occupied territory under the threat of shelling, for this, too, some courage is needed. By the way, we are happy about the dill desertion, and this is from the same opera, there is nothing to respect them for, but also to hate them.
          2. kaa_andrey
            kaa_andrey 7 July 2014 16: 55
            +6
            the border will pass along the Vistula
          3. Monge
            Monge 8 July 2014 12: 03
            0
            If Nemtsov, Makar, and the Night Sniper can be attributed to the "rollovers" of the civil society of Russia, then to the "Hurray patriots" who were blinded (and were they blind ...) in the "Patriotic Frenzy" one can already begin to include -Mikhalkov, Kurginyan, Dugin.

            I propose to add the entire Echo of Moscow team to the list
            1. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 8 July 2014 19: 57
              0
              and the editorial office of "Rain" !!! belay
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        5. Comrade Bender
          Comrade Bender 7 July 2014 16: 15
          +4
          I just didn’t understand, but why did he have machines behind him? Show what kind of hero warrior he is?
          1. series
            series 7 July 2014 16: 55
            +5
            Sofa ... it is noteworthy that the machines on the same element of furniture ...
          2. Philemon
            Philemon 8 July 2014 03: 54
            0
            Yes, show off of course, and at the same time very cheap.
        6. subsprite
          subsprite 7 July 2014 18: 57
          +3
          Quote: dr.Bo
          Kurginyan, what became the fifth column ???
          Look at his panic!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtGIh8RfP08
          Spitting saliva, draining Strelka, incomprehensible accusations,
          not beautiful at all ((((

          It feels like he's some kind of dumbass! Eyes are climbing out of their sockets, saliva, as you rightly noticed, splashes, erysipelas burn with fire ... Macedonian or Julius Caesar imagines himself to be. Great strategist, ...
      7. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 7 July 2014 15: 46
        +11
        Quote: Himalayan
        Judging by Akhmetov-Kurginyan - the panic is not sickly

        We must wait for reports from the command of the People’s Army. The junta is completely capable of disu. If true - glory to the People’s Militia! And to God!
        1. biznaw
          biznaw 7 July 2014 17: 01
          +19
          And God rules Russia.
          It was not I who said, another 200 years ago, one German who came to serve Russia. He served Peter 1, Catherine 2 by the way. He joined Crimea to Russia.
          1. azkolt
            azkolt 7 July 2014 20: 27
            +12
            It was Field Marshal Christopher Minich. He said that God himself rules Russia, otherwise you cannot understand how it is governed!
            1. Philemon
              Philemon 8 July 2014 03: 59
              +2
              I'm just boggled by the realization that we are like this. And this in no way speaks of some kind of "exclusiveness". It's just that we are, well, definitely not like everyone else. And this is what makes Western snobs deadly envy.
      8. Iline
        Iline 7 July 2014 15: 46
        +7
        This indirectly confirms the presence of panic in the ranks of the enemy and the search for ways out of this situation.

        President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko will discuss with the security forces in the evening their further actions in the south-east of the country, according to the website of the president of the country.

        РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20140707/1014966419.html#ixzz36mYQd2x7
      9. Vadivak
        Vadivak 7 July 2014 15: 50
        +16
        Quote: Himalayan
        Judging by Akhmetov-Kurginyan - the panic is not sickly


        Yes, quit. Kurginyan executes someone's political order
        About the panic delirium.
        Independent Ukrainian journalist Anatoliy Shariy in his author's video blog exposed the message about how "the happy residents of Slavyansk greeted Ukrainian soldiers by hanging the flag of Ukraine on the balcony." The journalist found out that this house is not at all in Slavyansk, but in Kharkov.
      10. doctor
        doctor 7 July 2014 18: 32
        +2
        The Ukrainian diarrhea syroviks have a catatonic stupor + dementia + temperature 40 + rash + ulcers + blisters. Such a diagnosis. laughing
      11. Rarahin
        Rarahin 7 July 2014 18: 56
        +1
        Very similar...
      12. hooligan
        hooligan 7 July 2014 23: 12
        +2
        so much dough will disappear .. that’s been boiled up)) Akhmetov needs to help the militias look at the factories and beat them off)) lol
      13. roman svarnoi
        roman svarnoi 8 July 2014 11: 49
        +1
        Yes suchara fidgeted with him a bunch of factories and the Ukrainians right now they will bomb everything pity
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    3. Момент
      Момент 7 July 2014 15: 00
      +6
      And they say that they merged Novorossia? There is no spirit, no strength, and luck passed by.
      1. Alexan
        Alexan 7 July 2014 15: 19
        +17
        The fact is that Novorossia DOES NOT MERGER!
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 7 July 2014 15: 50
        +3
        Quote: Moment
        There is no spirit, no strength, and luck passed by.


        Some clarification is required-
        past war criminals such as: Poroshenko and company.
        They will wait ...
      3. fzr1000
        fzr1000 7 July 2014 16: 14
        +6
        I don't like that word at all - "leaked". Some kind of thieves. Kaku is poured into the toilet. In military-political terminology, there are the words "surrendered", "surrendered." But no one has yet surrendered Novorossiya. The fight continues.
      4. saha6052
        saha6052 8 July 2014 05: 09
        0
        This moment is defined in such a way: if there is no Strength, then Luck always bypasses you.
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 7 July 2014 15: 03
      +16
      So glimpses of the end of the junta appear, even if more mediocrity will command the ATO, everything will be easier to break the ukrovoyak.
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 7 July 2014 15: 10
        +16
        Quote: Moment
        And they say that they merged Novorossia? There is no spirit, no strength, and luck passed by.

        Quote: Thought Giant
        Here are glimpses of the end of the junta
        - The information war is in full swing, a huge amount of contradictory and provocative information from different angles ... Who to believe, who not ... Therefore, we hope for victory and wait ... For the militia good luck and strength!
        1. portoc65
          portoc65 7 July 2014 15: 23
          +3
          DIM shaw there in the Crimea, is everything calm?
          1. Dazdranagon
            Dazdranagon 7 July 2014 15: 37
            +9
            Quote: portoc65
            DIM shaw there in the Crimea, is everything calm?
            - Yes, all is well, vacationers and twigs ... Even Americans will not go there! laughing
            1. saha6052
              saha6052 8 July 2014 05: 19
              0
              "Even Americans won't stick in there!" --- Giant, here's an example of linear thinking (traditional). The world is not the first day in the information era, and people think that you can only "meddle" with a member, but you wake up from hibernation: watch TV, not only Russian speech, Russian letters you will not meet, go to the theater, look on the Internet, and along the way and think about it, is it the most Echelon? There are no ideas or products in the country, only well-fed hari thieves, prostitutes and sweet speeches "strategists" - people in the madhouse have more sane comments than on our forums, and we are not the only ones who read them.
          2. badger1974
            badger1974 8 July 2014 11: 26
            0
            there is no calmer place, come hang out, mountain hikes, spearfishing, etc.

            true vodaru and beer after 23.00 is prohibited on sale,
          3. navara399
            navara399 10 July 2014 10: 19
            0
            06.07/20. came from the Crimea, was XNUMX days. Everything is exactly there, no problems with food water. Shops are pretty well overstocked, prices are slightly lower than Russian ones. Quiet and grace, locals are only shocked by a small number of tourists (there are no Ukrainians and Belarusians), there are few ferry crossings like a stranglehold in Russia. Very low prices for rental housing.
        2. saha6052
          saha6052 8 July 2014 05: 13
          0
          "Whom to believe, who does not ..." - it is impossible to believe even in the Temple, God gave Reason to a person not for faith, but for - Knowledge, so what - learn to think for yourself, especially if - Giant.
      2. kaa_andrey
        kaa_andrey 7 July 2014 15: 15
        +35
        "At a press conference, a Russian journalist asks the coach of the Russian national team Fabio Capello:
        - What do you think, who will become the next champion of Russia: CSKA, Zenit, Lokomotiv
        Or maybe Spartak?
        “I would bet on the Donetsk Miner,” Capello answered with a little thought.
        - And what about Dynamo Dynamo? - the sarcastic voice of the Ukrainian correspondent is heard from the back row.
        - I do not know. The Polish Championship never really interested me ... "

        For me, so about Dynamo Kiev is wrong. Rather it will be "MAIDAN Championship never interested me"
      3. Denka
        Denka 7 July 2014 15: 21
        +10
        I am glad that at least someone from a bunch of dill is aware that they will have to answer for war crimes anyway! angry
        1. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 7 July 2014 15: 25
          +8
          But this article, narrates already closer to the topic. I do not hear shouting: "everything is gone."
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 7 July 2014 15: 51
            +17
            Quote: subbtin.725
            But this article, narrates already closer to the topic. I do not hear shouting: "everything is gone."

            Too arrogant article.
            The Natsik’s superiority in artillery and aviation is multiple and, with rather stupid control, it doesn’t cost shelling to equal Lugansk and Donetsk for years with land
            Brains for shelling are completely unnecessary.
            It’s a completely different situation that the war requires enormous funds and Ukraine cannot last long. I would say that they can’t last more than 3 months, then there will be nothing to pay for the new Maidan, because the idea of ​​an external enemy starts to fall apart, direct repressions appeared, the power in the country did not become ROSHEN’s
            1. azkolt
              azkolt 7 July 2014 20: 38
              +2
              I think Ukraine is now so important for the USA that it doesn’t cost anything to cut more paper and send some lards to Ukraine!
              1. Seldon
                Seldon 8 July 2014 00: 08
                0
                Americans have achieved their goals in urkain and will bargain for Russia's concessions in Syria.
                1. saha6052
                  saha6052 8 July 2014 05: 32
                  -1
                  Hands down: the whole world is in control and the Americans are asking for concessions on Syria? - bullshit, if you surrender your own (you pass the mass murder of American cities and the pitiful babbling of the White House? - did not present? And I, too, but you write what?) how will you help Syria? -language, on a commercial TV, which, by the way, does not belong to you, and your enemies, who demoralize the country day and night, would Stalin look at the current television-gasped and hung all the presenters with producers on the antennas, and pukin? -No one can be called anyway: he says the right things that no one performs and “sometimes it’s a shame that the owner is not visible,” says Makar's song, this is the very case.
            2. Torn
              Torn 8 July 2014 00: 17
              0
              New Maidan is already beginning.
        2. Reks
          Reks 8 July 2014 00: 02
          0
          Quote: Denka
          someone from a bunch of dill realizes that for war crimes
          Doubts about this are huge ... No ... they all went crazy !!! The punishers - "72nd separate guards Krasnograd Kievskaya Order of the Red Banner mechanized brigade! This is HOW ????? They themselves understand the circus of the situation .. . even though ... what I mean. wassat
      4. Nahum
        Nahum 7 July 2014 15: 35
        +17
        I observe that the "sofa" panic like "everything is lost !!!" slowly gradually subsides and it is replaced by the understanding that everything is just beginning! The war in the south-east has been going on for two months - a period of 60 days is extremely short to draw conclusions. This time definitely benefited the militia and contributed to the pulling of the noose around the neck of the punishers. UkroATO bubble will inevitably burst together with Dill itself.
        1. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 7 July 2014 15: 39
          +2
          Quote: Naum
          Nahum Today, 15:35 ↑ New
          I observe that the "sofa" panic like "everything is lost !!!" slowly gradually subsides and it is replaced by the understanding that everything is just beginning! The war in the south-east has been going on for two months - a period of 60 days is extremely short to draw conclusions. This time definitely benefited the militia and contributed to the pulling of the noose around the neck of the punishers. UkroATO bubble will inevitably burst together with Dill itself.

          Definitely a plus.
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    6. nikrandel
      nikrandel 7 July 2014 15: 20
      +72
      A little off topic, I’ve gotten a fun parable, but, excuse me, with light obscene words, but I think it's worth it:
      Ukraine’s fable: Putin vs. Poroshenko, Obama and Merkel

      At the edge of the border
      Pig, Macaque and the Wolf
      Discussed a tricky plan
      How to hit a bear in a jug!

      Only so that the Bear
      Boer suddenly could not shake
      Type, clubfoot guy
      He was drunk and not in shock!

      Like, I went to the wrong area
      Treading someone else's lawn
      Then the beast burned him
      And the crowd departed!

      And then put together a meeting
      Sanctions as punishment
      Apply to Bear strictly
      I did not climb out from the den!

      Discussed all day
      No thoughts, only rubbish
      Everyone said his word
      Although it was all crazy!

      The first, the Wolf said,
      We need a bear like a bird
      No way without him in the forest
      He is healthy, not weak!

      In his forest glade
      We will live like a pancake in sour cream
      Because the Bear
      Many berries, eat a lot!

      And with us, you look,
      Only dead woodlice
      And when the winter comes
      There will be empty bins!

      Maybe We, having concocted xiva
      We will threaten with a grimace sweet
      So that before the fall eat us
      All Bears brought!

      Pig later opened the bread
      Immediately stank of fat
      And a frowning brow and a snout
      He began to look like a moron!

      Bears will not help us
      We live without their food
      We will tear the wolf to you
      We will live and have fun!

      We don't care about the Bears
      All for FUM, and DOWNLOAD
      Need to jump, not otherwise
      Let's get richer jumping!

      A damn brown bear
      Let her think with a little mind
      How without us he will live
      Maybe he’ll die by fall?

      Then Makaka yelled
      Pig, would you close the bread
      You rush out of your mouth
      My stomach is aching!

      We are in the forest across the river
      Stupidly choke on all the chopped
      Tired of this meal
      We should live like your bear!

      He needs supplies
      Select everything as you like
      To bear provisions
      I wouldn’t get the neighbors!

      We’ll take everything away from the Bear
      We will move to the river
      And then everyone will heal
      They will build their comfort!

      Both the Wolf and the Pig
      Become as old as family
      I will distribute everything to everyone
      According to merit and deed!

      Only me will you help
      Make a noise
      To all the honest people
      He knew who was leading the trouble!

      Then the beast in the thicket
      They will be happy, if only ..
      After all, the Bear is the Ghoul in the den
      It will owe a lot!

      Suddenly behind their back
      Crunched under a pine tree
      Misha entered the clearing
      Without show-offs, and without flaw!

      And speaks softly
      My soul hurts
      For the clearing, for the den
      Right now, how will I give you the banderlogs!

      Snatching his club
      Immediately hit everyone on the back
      Ripped a Pig Snout
      Then the Bear is covered!

      He began to water all together
      He kicked in the face
      Gave Macaque's ears
      So that cracked at the seams!

      And the she-wolf sobbed
      Misha, I'm sorry, I didn’t know
      All damn macaque
      From him one cesspool!

      Better to live in peace
      Sleep peacefully and do not bother
      We to you from all glade
      Give your share!

      Only Misha, forgive us
      And you take away your anger
      And we will expel Makaku
      We will bury all vices!

      The essence of this fable, here is the cross
      On the Bear - God's finger
      Who will come to him with a sword
      He will most likely die!
      1. mister2013
        mister2013 7 July 2014 15: 43
        +5
        nikrandel Thank you so much! Loved it! The author is just SUPER, and it is easy to read, and there is no need to guess where anyone is. I printed it with my friends. ++++++
        good
        1. nikrandel
          nikrandel 7 July 2014 16: 24
          +1
          Thank you ... you + 45 smile
      2. Pula
        Pula 7 July 2014 17: 41
        0
        Beautiful thank you.
      3. djqnbdjqnb
        djqnbdjqnb 7 July 2014 19: 01
        0
        Wow! Plus and rating raised as far as I could. Wow!
    7. comprochikos
      comprochikos 7 July 2014 15: 23
      +2
      More entih stupid advisers. The more people try to grab the wheel with their hands, the better
    8. Andrey SPB
      Andrey SPB 7 July 2014 15: 30
      +34
      I found this text on a neighboring site;


      The other day I called a childhood friend in St. Petersburg, naturally the conversation about Ukraine came in naturally. So a friend told amazing. His companion returned from Omerigi tribe, was trained there. He says they lived there in a private hotel under a contract. The owner of the hotel had a son, a two-meter bull served in PMCs (which he did not specify) so, his son was in Ukraine. Two weeks since he returned from Ted, and all the time after returning he thumped in black. Upon learning that the Russians were living in a hotel, he ran into them and told the following. He had the choice to go to Africa or to Ukraine, to Ukraine they paid more and signed a contract there. Everything was nice and wonderful, but one day, on a dark Ukrainian night, a Russian army special forces appeared at their base, equipped and equipped with the highest standard (night vision devices, thermal imagers, silent short barrels, etc.). We said that they were probably militias. To which the son replied that among us there are no specialists from the rebels, they distinguish by scent. After that the night guests of all awake people put a snout in the ground, and his son also fell into their category. What they did at the base, he does not know, but after about ten minutes as they appeared, they also disappeared into the night. Leaving the stalkers with a snout in the ground, the firm conviction that if they had the desire, all the formidable PMC fighters would be cut out without noise and dust. In general, I regretted the contract that had been concluded, and if I had known what happened to Ukraine to stand up to the Russians, I wouldn’t go there for any money. Then the contract was terminated and sent to the house. So I put you and no help whatsoever.
      1. nikrandel
        nikrandel 7 July 2014 15: 41
        +19
        Americans fight only for money - this time!
        The menacing and power of the American army is just a show - these are two !!
        And the Russian army special forces are most likely just the drunken ravings of this "son". They were the militias.
        1. biznaw
          biznaw 7 July 2014 17: 13
          +3
          Well, yes, the militias from the former specialists ...
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 7 July 2014 22: 30
            +4
            Quote: biznaw
            Well, yes, the militias from the former specialists ...

            Specialists are not former ...
          2. Reks
            Reks 8 July 2014 00: 08
            +5
            Quote: biznaw
            Well, yes, the militias from the former specialists ...
            smile Yeah, all the polls are GRU. Good luck to peasants !!!
        2. typhoon7
          typhoon7 7 July 2014 17: 45
          +18
          I read it on the internet today. In a battle near Izvarino, a Cossack Alexander Skryabin with a grenade threw himself under the vk.kom / antimaydan tank, and this already speaks of self-sacrifice for the sake of victory. Logging in is always easy, that's just how this clumsy Nazi army will get out. Eternal memory to the fighters of New Russia who sacrificed their lives for the fatherland and civilians killed by Natsik.
        3. djqnbdjqnb
          djqnbdjqnb 7 July 2014 19: 09
          0
          Russian army special forces are most likely just the drunken nonsense of this "son"

          And it also seems to me that the valiant American mercenary just described. They say that we are preparing a law on Russian private military units. This is great!
          1. SVT
            SVT 8 July 2014 05: 54
            0
            in Russia there is ALREADY PMCs. google it, PMCs of the Russian Federation. and that’s it.
        4. USSR
          USSR 7 July 2014 21: 17
          0
          How to know how to know by rumors the earth is full. Maybe ours were from the future, you see the plates over the white house appear. It is not in vain that they want to pass a law on Russian aggression. I love when dreams come true - dream number one, this is the end, there is no complete end to the damned imperialists. I want them to know all the horrors of war, and all the world’s tears finally spilled over them and flood them and their neighbors in the north,
        5. Raskolnik
          Raskolnik 8 July 2014 00: 57
          +2
          Quote: nikrandel
          Americans fight only for money - this time!
          The menacing and power of the American army is just a show - these are two !!
          And the Russian army special forces are most likely just the drunken ravings of this "son". They were the militias.

          Ash tree stump. admit that some "separatists" put a super-duper "pro" into the ground with his snout, he certainly could not. So, washing my dirty pants, I came up with a "Russian special force"
        6. saha6052
          saha6052 8 July 2014 05: 50
          -4
          Legends are an entertaining thing, but the fact that the legendary "Pennant" Yeltsin dispersed is not a legend, but this is also "someone's" work? and the morgues of Lugansk and Donetsk are also not a legend, but "the work of the" Kremlin "because the arbitrariness of fascism is the weakness of Russia, about which not the Americans, but the Jurassic, bought three times and Sold five times, wipe their feet, this is the Emperor of Russia to Brussels for instructions on how to behave and how much to trade in gas, because this gas is not mine and not yours, but THEM! And the thief who robbed the USSR naively thought that they would be written into bourgeois happiness? - in a moment, they fled, already new rooms in Guantanamo have been renovated and the court will not be the one that is judging Vasilyeva or she, who would take it apart.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 7 July 2014 15: 52
        +17
        Quote: Andrey SPB
        The other day I called a childhood friend in St. Petersburg

        I can make up a hundred of these tales for you. However, the OSB
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 7 July 2014 22: 32
          +2
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Quote: Andrey SPB
          The other day I called a childhood friend in St. Petersburg

          I can make up a hundred of these tales for you. However, the OSB

          Although you must admit, the bike is beautiful, it warms the soul.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 7 July 2014 23: 46
            0
            Quote: PENZYAC
            the bike is beautiful, it warms the soul

            In a real war, crammed along the perimeter of sensors, and thermal imagers look
            1. saha6052
              saha6052 8 July 2014 05: 57
              -5
              He sits in an American computer, eats American chips and drinks Coca-Cola, heats his soul, and maybe Ass?
      3. Foxtrot
        Foxtrot 7 July 2014 16: 04
        +8
        God grant that it really was!
        1. nikrandel
          nikrandel 7 July 2014 16: 21
          +2
          What is the truth ?!
          There is nothing to listen to American provocateurs, do not get fooled by Western propaganda !!!
      4. Scoun
        Scoun 7 July 2014 16: 13
        +4
        Quote: Andrey SPB
        Everything was nice and wonderful, but then one day on a dark Ukrainian night a Russian army special forces appeared at their base, equipped and equipped to the highest standard.

        This, even if it’s just like reading a bike, still warms the soul and in principle this is normal)))
        and here are the contradictions (under the article)
        The basis of the ATO forces in this "half-boiler" is the 72nd separate guard Krasnograd Kiev Order of the Red Banner a mechanized brigade, the soldiers of which, in principle, are not particularly enthusiastic when conducting combat operations against the Donbass militia.

        Do the Nazis the Red Guard part of their own people exterminates under the leadership of the Nazis (or duck)? but at least the fighters as they say in the article are not eager to wage war.
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 7 July 2014 20: 40
          +2
          in-in, I would also like to advise this, the 72nd separate guard Krasnograd Kiev Order of the Red Banner mechanized brigade, change the name. well, like, the great martyr musicians,
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 7 July 2014 22: 38
          +1
          Quote: Scoun
          The basis of the ATO forces in this "half-boiler" is the 72nd separate guards Krasnograd Kiev Order of the Red Banner mechanized brigade

          It’s time to rename it to Waffen SS Krasnogradskaya (???) Kiev Order of Himler mechanized brigade ... IMHO
      5. Blot
        Blot 7 July 2014 16: 20
        -1
        Damn ... Good news to heaven! It seems like it’s easier ... It’s a pity that they left us alive ...
      6. fzr1000
        fzr1000 7 July 2014 16: 23
        +7
        I’ll answer you this way, without the bogeys from PMCs, etc. ..- there (in Novorossia) there are ours ...... You can call them special forces of something, and they work sooooo well, because ukram still doesn’t work out so far provide at least one evidence of their presence. Ukrainians know, guess about it, but they can’t do anything while.
        Where did I get this information? From one building in the center of Moscow, and this is not the Kremlin, State Duma, Federation Council or Government House ...
      7. papas-57
        papas-57 7 July 2014 16: 30
        +2
        `` Everything was good and wonderful, but then one dark Ukrainian night they had a Russian army special forces at their base, equipped and equipped to the highest level. '' If the Russian special forces were working in Ukraine, then all the high persons who visited the southeast (Parashaenko, Turchinov, Avakov, blue, etc.) on the way back to Kiev would disappear and surface in Matrosskaya Tishina (or maybe they just disappeared without a trace. )
        1. biznaw
          biznaw 7 July 2014 17: 19
          +5
          They bring more benefits alive ...
          Successfully eliminate non-state non-education of Ukraine.
          I was always surprised that the Ukrop "elite" did not understand the fact that the more they pacast Russia, the less chances the under-state will survive. No dill - no problems with transit and problems with not recognizing Crimea as Russian.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 7 July 2014 18: 09
            +2
            And does one of the sane comrades think that Strelkov's "miraculous breakthrough" is only luck and his military genius? I am begging you...
          2. djqnbdjqnb
            djqnbdjqnb 7 July 2014 19: 17
            +2
            they bring more benefits alive

            Exactly! They say that in 1943 or 44, Stalin did not allow the liquidation of Hitler - he became useful to him with his stupidity and obstinacy
            1. saha6052
              saha6052 8 July 2014 06: 14
              -4
              Stalin was so smart that he believed in his own stupidity about his genius, hence the catastrophe of the outbreak of war, and while he began to understand its laws — how many goals did they put? —Do not remember? And I don’t, no, and I remember, it’s good that he He didn’t count them, but simply rounded them to millions. Compare Hitler’s war in Europe and Stalin’s war, where he lay down and shot finding the extreme ones, plugging the holes of his stupidity and crimes? Hitler only risked, because Stalin created the conditions, although sober heads in he was warned by the General Staff and the Germans are not Nenets, they are people of mathematics and physics, and even if they thought that they would take Moscow on the move, it was necessary in the USSR to try and create the prerequisites for this — to undermine the country's defense, economy and personnel.
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 7 July 2014 17: 52
          +1
          There is no such task ... The task is to ensure the withdrawal of civil (yes, yes!) And RD activities behind enemy lines, but "without heroism" ...
        3. saha6052
          saha6052 8 July 2014 06: 05
          -1
          Well, finally: there are sane people on this "patriotic-carbon monoxide" forum who do not want to eat the dung of legends and myths because they understand that they end up in a sea of ​​blood and painful insights. The Americans have crushed the world because they work and they are fighting not in trenches, but in offices, and this is the aerobatics of reforming governments and elites to suit their goals and interests. You need to work with the Dollar, and not grind nonsense about special forces, real special forces are excellent: philosophy, sociology, psychology.
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      9. Zlyden.Zlo
        Zlyden.Zlo 7 July 2014 19: 08
        +2
        somewhere I already heard about the invisible Russian troops
    9. Alez
      Alez 7 July 2014 15: 35
      +9
      War is a matter for the young, a medicine against the Nazis. When the supply ends, we will see the columns of the natsgads, pravosek and other evil spirits sadly wandering to a gay parade called "Dill"
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 7 July 2014 17: 21
        0
        Almost by Choi, war is a cure for wrinkles ... belay
    10. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 July 2014 15: 56
      +5
      Well, without words. Something like this laughing
    11. Coltxnumx
      Coltxnumx 7 July 2014 16: 07
      +1
      Something is all right. And not URRY !!!! Is it a throw up? Sources, facts? So I want to believe!
    12. vrach
      vrach 7 July 2014 16: 14
      +2
      This is the bottleneck along the Russian border. Striking at it with artillery and sabotage groups seems natural and reasonable.
      1. vrach
        vrach 10 July 2014 12: 21
        0
        And today is July 10, a message from mail.ru
        “In brief, the general picture can be described as follows: the enemy continues to draw troops to Donetsk, we are trying to prevent him from doing this. At the same time, our forces continue to hold Seversk in the vicinity of Slavyansk, which we need so that the enemy does not close the ring around Lysychansk and Rubezhnoye Luhansk region. [b] In turn, we surrounded a large group in the south of the region, in the Saur-Mogily region ”, [/ b] - said a representative of the headquarters.
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    14. Penzyac
      Penzyac 7 July 2014 21: 44
      0
      Quote: portoc65
      Be afraid right ... Our cause is just! Victory will be ours!!!!!!!!!! soldier

      Criminals are always afraid of retaliation - the law of nature.
    15. Sandov
      Sandov 8 July 2014 19: 56
      +2
      Quote: portoc65
      Be afraid right ... Our cause is just! Victory will be ours!!!!!!!!!! soldier

      The fascization of geyrops is in full swing, again the Eurogandons are nurturing the fascists.
    16. Ivan Ivanovich
      Ivan Ivanovich 8 July 2014 21: 09
      0
      civilians are only sorry, many cannot be returned. finished dill ...
    17. Andrenaline
      Andrenaline 8 July 2014 22: 54
      0
      My heart feels, but it rarely deceived me that dill on the eve of a grand kipish (s) laughing
    18. gav6757
      gav6757 10 July 2014 00: 38
      0
      May God give them !!!
      But it would not be bad to help Russia as well!
      Why is Israel protecting its borders, and we are writing notes to which, in other matters, no one answers!
  2. Koresh
    Koresh 7 July 2014 14: 57
    +24
    All of Ukraine because of the ATO in a disastrous state.
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 7 July 2014 14: 59
      +23
      Quote: Koresh
      All of Ukraine because of the ATO in a disastrous state.

      Almost the whole world is in this state .. Ukraine is a challenge to us ...
      1. ussr1960
        ussr1960 7 July 2014 15: 14
        +16
        Quote: Koresh
        All of Ukraine because of the ATO in a disastrous state.

        Not all for now, when the grandmother runs out altogether and there is nothing to send sms from phones to support the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the National Guard, in the absence of payment for their bloody "hard" work, will go to Poroshenko's attack together with the Cabinet of Ministers, and then a catastrophic state will come for all of Ukraine. Believe me guys, you still have everything ahead of you, you have just dipped a spoon into a vat full of d ... And you will have to sip it now ... forever. The EU will help you with this.
      2. saha6052
        saha6052 8 July 2014 06: 25
        +2
        Here's another sane: ATO is removed from the tactics the letter-H, so as not to hurt the eye. she pays for aggression against herself, this is the money of Ukrainian migrant workers, money for gas, oil and other resources, including people going to the West, to their banks and offshores. food is bought to poison Russians with GMOs and other abominations, not counting drugs, alcohol and surrogates that mow down young people. This is an endless topic.
    2. avt
      avt 7 July 2014 15: 39
      +11
      Quote: Koresh
      All of Ukraine because of the ATO in a disastrous state.

      The correction, however, is that all the catastrophic state of Ukraine will be written off to the ATO, and specifically to Russia. Well, do not tell people that the country is already bankrupt and looking for a loan to pay interest on debts ?? It’s easier to say that there is no default.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 7 July 2014 16: 23
      +4
      Quote: Koresh
      All of Ukraine because of the ATO in a disastrous state.

      What does the ATO have to do with ??
      The country is in a catastrophic state in recent years 10-15 and only because each new president and his team stuffed their pockets, promising more benefits in the near future !!!
      And ATO is the result of domestic politics. So to say, an indicator of the venality of an official, for the sake of a sponsor from the USA .......
    4. Spike
      Spike 7 July 2014 17: 56
      +1
      Interestingly, what will Ukraine eat? Probably they didn’t plant any bread?
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 7 July 2014 22: 49
        0
        Quote: Crutch
        Interestingly, what will Ukraine eat? Probably they didn’t plant any bread?

        They will chew dill from the Maidan and ride for a sugare. smile
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    1. portoc65
      portoc65 7 July 2014 15: 00
      +6
      Kolomoisky already dumped just in case in Geneva ...
      1. Performance
        Performance 7 July 2014 15: 06
        +10
        Interestingly, stocked up with scarves?
        1. sinukvl
          sinukvl 7 July 2014 15: 34
          +1
          Miho didn't fit his tie
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      3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 July 2014 15: 08
        +8
        Quote: portoc65
        Kolomoisky already dumped just in case in Geneva ...

        On the wanted list this bastard, international, so that they would scratch their turnips before they go somewhere, they will surrender - they will not surrender! Chamomile, ponEmayesh! bully
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 7 July 2014 22: 52
          +1
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          Quote: portoc65
          Kolomoisky already dumped just in case in Geneva ...

          On the wanted list this bastard, international, so that they would scratch their turnips before they go somewhere, they will surrender - they will not surrender! Chamomile, ponEmayesh! bully

          Birch also thought that he was reliably settled in Europe.
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      5. Roman1970
        Roman1970 7 July 2014 15: 09
        +5
        Quote: portoc65
        Kolomoisky already dumped just in case in Geneva ...

        What do you want? A smart and cunning Jew, however! laughing Signal for the rest! laughing
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 7 July 2014 23: 00
          +1
          Quote: Roman1970
          Quote: portoc65
          Kolomoisky already dumped just in case in Geneva ...

          What do you want? A smart and cunning Jew, however! laughing Signal for the rest! laughing

          Sly and arrogant outrageous - yes, I doubt about "smart". Smart people would not behave like that. Smart people themselves do not climb on the rampage. Simply, he is still needed smart (Birch also considered himself smart).
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 7 July 2014 15: 04
      +38
      It’s nice to read the article of course, but it’s too painful for the students. I doubt that everything is so sad and the enemy will surrender tomorrow ...
  4. Dimych
    Dimych 7 July 2014 14: 58
    +18
    How I want to believe that this is true!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 7 July 2014 15: 15
      +12
      Quote: Dimych
      How I want to believe that this is true!

      The other day, together we discussed "48 hours", now everyone rushed to discuss the quick surrender of the junta ... smile
      Guys, come down to earth and stop believing in fairy tales. There are problems at the headquarters or not, but sooner or later they will be solved. They also learn to fight there ...
      1. coolvoldik
        coolvoldik 7 July 2014 17: 37
        +1
        tomorrow we will discuss "48 hours" part II. continuation ...
  5. tchack
    tchack 7 July 2014 14: 58
    +1
    Why be surprised ?! Advisers acting in the interests of the United States want to destroy as many people as possible. It is already clear that the ATO will not lead to anything. Money for the ATO is less and less every day ...
    So it remains to destroy as many people as possible now, so that in five to ten years one could try again. Favorite American "Lyote Plan" ...
    1. mister2013
      mister2013 7 July 2014 15: 23
      +3
      All according to plan! They (the Americans) have already "declared": "We will fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian!"
  6. volot-voin
    volot-voin 7 July 2014 14: 59
    +12
    The dill army dies all, nor how can it die. The West does not. She should be helped to die.
    Militia fellow, trying in this matter quite successfully.

    Omandir call out volunteers with weapons experience + doctors. We will issue everything. With security features groups are welcome. Hotline Phones:
    -In Moscow, the coordinator Alexander 89686614121; Eugene 89160400700
    - in Rostov-on-Don coordinator Alexander Rostovsky +79381115219 [email protected]; [email protected]
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 7 July 2014 15: 08
      +3
      Yes, the junta is soon over, the whole Donbass needs 3 million volunteers, respectively, according to the number of trunks taken out from Soledar, sign up for everything - RUSSIA ARE FORWARD!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 July 2014 16: 02
        +2
        Quote: Wolves
        Yes, the junta is about to end, in total, the Donbass needs 3 million volunteers, respectively, according to the number of trunks exported from Soledar,

        Volkhov, pounding, did you post this picture about plasma?
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 7 July 2014 16: 52
          +1
          How it concerns you - Poseidon and Tomket graze the Polish swamp over Peenemuende-2, these are the problems of NATO which is looking for and the Reich which is hiding. Do you really have time to work for them and take care of Poland from Vladivostok? Google photo, logo is visible, if a puncture - so them.
          I advised you to look at the bridge across the strait - it informatively and directly concerns Vladivostok.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 July 2014 16: 56
            +2
            Quote: Wolves
            Google photo, logo is visible, if a puncture - so them.

            I wrote here about Svidomo Ukrainians-If a person is dr and this is for life!
            Here you have a photo from Russia, a passenger plane. And there are a lot of such pictures in Google. It is better to take an interest in about photo effects before writing nonsense. Really get smarter hi
            And the smoke was treated with plasma lol
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov 7 July 2014 17: 12
              0
              Here is Photoshop, and there are 2 different types of aircraft - why on earth will Google stick a picture to the picture, and the camera itself until Poseidon turns it into Tomket in my reality.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 July 2014 17: 17
                +1
                What a photoshop, you take a whole Google photo. A bit of a different slope and it seems that different types of aircraft.
                Quote: Wolves
                why should Google stick a picture to the picture

                Oh, how it’s all started, ohrenet. You speak the Russian language, their photo effect is full in Google maps.
                1. Volkhov
                  Volkhov 7 July 2014 17: 43
                  0
                  I understood - you are in the service "Men in Black" ... (The light of Venus was reflected from the Moon ... and now look here. (C))
                  But before they gave the costume there, is it really now they are making a black cat?
      2. alone
        alone 7 July 2014 16: 12
        +1
        Soledar is already under the control of the Ukrainians. no one took out the warehouses. Alas, but a fact.
  7. Stypor23
    Stypor23 7 July 2014 14: 59
    +15
    General Staff of Ukraine: we are on the eve of the catastrophe
    If this is the case, fall into the hell of a Uroda and burn with a blue flame, Gandons are darned.
  8. A40263S
    A40263S 7 July 2014 15: 00
    +20
    In my opinion, a duck, only military specialists who have a real situation with the balance of power on their hands will be able to understand whether there is a reason for panic or not, there is definitely no reason to rejoice .. And the situation with the delivery of the aircraft is not clear, they want war crimes to be bombed later to shift from planes to New Russia? maybe someone is beneficial in Ukraine so that this porridge cooked longer ..
    1. Egen
      Egen 7 July 2014 15: 09
      +5
      Quote: A40263S
      in my opinion, a duck, only military specialists who have real situations on hand will be able to understand whether this is a duck or not, you definitely don’t have to rejoice

      quite possible. A relative from a military unit on the border in the Rostov Region says that Ukrov tanks are behind the border, as much as he said, the towers are deployed from the border, you can hear that they are firing Izvarino-Donetsk, and sometimes tanks shoot in that direction. It seems like they are not allowed to break through to the border, although to whom, to refugees? They all there it does not look very optimistic :(
      1. Egen
        Egen 7 July 2014 15: 25
        +6
        still wrote today:
        “Today they said that in the river near the border in Donets, corpses with gunshots to the back of the head and neck are being caught. Some are tied up. They put nets on fishing and this is the catch ... It looks like these are Ukrainians of their own.”
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 7 July 2014 15: 14
      +4
      Quote: A40263S
      maybe someone is beneficial in Ukraine so that this porridge cooked longer ..

      Here you are right, sir! There are now many fish in troubled waters. "To whom the war, and to whom - the mother is dear" - there are many of them around the parashenka.
      1. saha6052
        saha6052 8 July 2014 06: 39
        -1
        When even the formal signs of state and law and order are canceled, it’s a paradise for the BES limit, and how many people have debt on loans? This is the bonanza, Klondike and the criminal world pour hordes of bullets in the back of the head, fire in the office and there are no debts, dad yourself Makhno-feudalization of a European country in a matter of hours, and Russia? : and in our country, gas — just strike a match once? With such a migration policy (corruption), make a couple, three private armies — spit it once and get Fate.
    3. volot-voin
      volot-voin 7 July 2014 15: 27
      +5
      Quote: A40263S
      In my opinion, a duck, only military specialists who have a real situation with the balance of power on their hands will be able to understand whether there is a reason for panic or not, there is definitely no need to rejoice ..

      The article is certainly optimistic, and indeed the dill spirit is not up to par. But do not underestimate the enemy. He is supported with all his might by our original enemies. Without this, the Ukrainian army has died for a long time, and it still bombed the city with a bang. So think about why such a resource?
      1. security expert
        security expert 7 July 2014 22: 14
        0
        our original enemies will never support a losing project, so their help will gradually dry up, and then generally end.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 July 2014 15: 01
    +8
    Article plus.
    He would give expensive for a look at the operational map of the dill general staff. But if the militias cut off their supply, where will they go. They are pressed to the border. And ours are ready to accept so many troops? And intern, respectively.
    And judging by the intensity of the battles at Saur-Mogila, the information in the article is relevant to reality. The militia will be very useful tanks and artillery cut off ukrov.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 7 July 2014 15: 19
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      He would give expensive for a look at the operational map of the dill general staff.

      The militias, for sure, have enough intelligence from our satellites. From there, the situation can be seen better than from the operational maps of the Ukrainian headquarters.
    2. cosmos132
      cosmos132 7 July 2014 15: 29
      +1
      Both tanks and artillery will come in handy when tens of thousands of soldiers are in the ranks of the militia. In the meantime, albeit successfully, but a handful of fighters are fighting.
      1. security expert
        security expert 7 July 2014 22: 13
        0
        and artillery and tank are equally effective in defense
  10. solar99
    solar99 7 July 2014 15: 02
    +5
    Great news!
  11. a52333
    a52333 7 July 2014 15: 02
    +4
    Corsair, no news expansion? Maybe something else dug interesting?
  12. vsoltan
    vsoltan 7 July 2014 15: 02
    +6
    It is also clear for competent Kiev officers that there are no prospects for the ATO - the stated goals have not been achieved, the resources are running out, the resistance of the rebel republics is growing ...

    Soon, these competent officers will begin to take the side of the militias .... and the pravoseki will remain alone ....
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 July 2014 15: 14
      +3
      Quote: vsoltan
      Soon, these competent officers will begin to take the side of the militias .... and the pravoseki will remain alone ....

      Well, let them tease each other, and let him go to the mug! bully
    2. nizrum
      nizrum 7 July 2014 15: 41
      +3
      Already half a year pass ...
    3. volot-voin
      volot-voin 7 July 2014 15: 52
      +4
      Quote: vsoltan
      Soon, these competent officers will begin to side with the militias

      Your words to God in the ears. Already in April, they are moving all can’t go. In addition, they may well be blackmailed by their families, the scum (the leadership of Ukraine) did not have anything holy left.
    4. Penzyac
      Penzyac 7 July 2014 23: 12
      0
      Quote: vsoltan
      It is also clear for competent Kiev officers that there are no prospects for the ATO - the stated goals have not been achieved, the resources are running out, the resistance of the rebel republics is growing ...

      Soon, these competent officers will begin to take the side of the militias .... and the pravoseki will remain alone ....

      Yes, it will not be bad if they even turn into deserters, and then "bread".
  13. mamont5
    mamont5 7 July 2014 15: 03
    +12
    "In the south, DPR reconnaissance and sabotage groups attacked and partially destroyed more than 20 supply columns."

    And it is right. Cut the supply and the entire ATO will drown in their own problems.

    "On July 3, as a result of" friendly fire "(a common practice in the Armed Forces of Ukraine), the Chief of the General Staff of Ukraine Mikhail Kutsin was seriously wounded."

    But this is generally a trick. To be able to.
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 7 July 2014 15: 11
      +3
      "On July 3, as a result of" friendly fire "(a common practice in the Armed Forces of Ukraine), the Chief of the General Staff of Ukraine Mikhail Kutsin was seriously wounded."

      But this is generally a trick. To be able to.


      They tried very hard!
  14. Freegal
    Freegal 7 July 2014 15: 03
    +5
    Pleases! Maybe they will "die" faster and start dialogues about peace and the payment of quotations to the South-East angry
  15. alone
    alone 7 July 2014 15: 04
    +3
    Incidentally, the photo is old. The monument is no longer there. Destroyed under the blows of aviation and artillery
    1. Torn
      Torn 8 July 2014 00: 32
      0
      Yes, unfortunately only the boots are not full left (((
  16. zzz
    zzz 7 July 2014 15: 05
    +7
    I wrote 3-4 days ago, as soon as it comes to Donetsk, so immediately the situation will change. That hysteria began. There and chem. the factories and the mercury plant in Gorlovka, and the mines are deep, everything is pitted underground. If they just start bombing, cities will go underground. And I also think that there is not only Akhmetov’s money. They will begin to agree with Russia so that only their property is not touched. Maybe this was part of the plan when Strelkov left Slavyansk? IMHO.
    1. Nicholas
      Nicholas 7 July 2014 16: 19
      +2
      Dear 3Z, everything you say is completely in the hole! I bet 100 +
      1. zzz
        zzz 7 July 2014 16: 35
        +3
        Nicholas, thanks. Only I am not respected, but respected smile
  17. demotivator
    demotivator 7 July 2014 15: 05
    +8
    stated goals are not achieved, resources are running out, resistance of the rebel republics is growing ...

    The cat knows whose meat it ate. This is a proverb, and if in a serious way, then against the background of the propaganda howls of official Kiev about "crushing" successes, these timid sober voices speak volumes. This is the answer to our panic-mongers "all-slugs". And like, for example, this moment:
    The Investigative Committee of Russia de jure recognized the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics as state entities!
    A criminal case has been instituted regarding the use of prohibited means and methods of warfare in the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics.
    It is clear that such documents are accepted with the consent of the first persons of the Russian state.
  18. danTT
    danTT 7 July 2014 15: 05
    +11
    Reports from Strelkova: Su-25 made an emergency landing at one of the airfields of the Luhansk region. The pilot surrendered!
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 7 July 2014 15: 07
      +3
      Class, the process has begun and the beginning has been made. We are waiting for the continuation. soldier
    2. zzz
      zzz 7 July 2014 15: 12
      +7
      And here's some more news from another site. I can not vouch for authenticity. No news link.
      LNR intelligence neutralized the KP of punishers with space communications.
      The reconnaissance unit of the LPR army managed to neutralize the control system of the group of punishers near Lugansk. As reported at the headquarters of the militia, "Luhansk scouts managed to track down and neutralize the enemy's mobile command post based on a semi-trailer trailer, equipped with elements of space communications and surveillance." In addition, "LPR intelligence revealed the routes of movement and accumulation of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 2 Ukrainian tanks were captured." Also, the retaliatory fire of the militia destroyed the tent of the punitive officers, equipped with an air conditioner, a satellite dish and elements of a communication system.
      1. zzz
        zzz 7 July 2014 15: 14
        +2
        Poroshenko declared Donetsk and Lugansk will not bomb
        1. zzz
          zzz 7 July 2014 15: 36
          +4
          "Fatherland" under the leadership of Tymoshenko began the war with the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.

          “Unfortunately, this is absolutely true. This war is based in the Verkhovna Rada on the reluctance of four political forces - "Fatherland", "Freedom", communists and regionals - to go to the parliamentary elections. Around this, they rallied, had already talked with all their deputies that they would hold parliament until the spring of next year.

          Until spring of next year, President Poroshenko’s rating will be lowered, attacking him for any reason and without them. And in the spring, they will already overwhelm this power and arrange the Sabbath that they want, ”says Inna Bogoslovskaya, a deputy from the Party of Regions.

          The bill of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko regarding amendments to the Constitution of the country is blocked by the "Fatherland" and "Freedom".

          The amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine that President Petro Poroshenko introduced on July 3 to the Verkhovna Rada were blocked before the first hearing. For consideration of this bill, the Fatherland faction and the Freedom party refused to vote. As it turned out, they have different reasons.

          So, on the website of the faction of Yulia Tymoshenko it is said that “Fatherland” insists that the President introduce a new draft amendment to the Constitution, which does not provide for usurpation of power by the new head of state and provides for a real decentralization of power.

          Deputy Andrei Pavlovsky on the sidelines of the parliament said that the proposals of the head of state on the Basic Law have nothing to do with decentralization of power: “This was not even when Yanukovych came to power ...

          Most deputies did not see the text of the changes in their eyes. But this is the most important document! How can one vote for him without even seeing? This is a mockery and rape of the parliament! What's this? Yanukovych number 2! ", - the people's deputy concluded.

          The deputy from "Freedom" Yuri Sirotyuk also said that his faction will not vote for a change to the Constitution. "The indignation of the Svobodovites, he said, caused a special status for the Russian language, which this document offers."

          Along with this, other deputies who supported the bill Poroshenko say that the "Fatherland" is trying to disrupt the adoption of amendments to the Constitution, as well as strive to dissolve the parliament and promote the post of Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

          Sergey Volodin,
          Central News Agency Novorossia
          http://topwar.ru/53668-genshtab-ukrainy-my-nakanune-katastrofy.html#
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 8 July 2014 18: 30
          +2
          Quote: zzz
          Poroshenko declared Donetsk and Lugansk will not bomb

          First time said whether sho ?
          Moreover, now the militia has its own Rook, now the maydauns will be drawn, writing off their CRIMES to others.
      2. Cossack Ermak
        Cossack Ermak 8 July 2014 17: 05
        0
        Not verified
    3. Alexan
      Alexan 7 July 2014 15: 28
      +6
      "Drying". like those "Buki" that you need to be able to manage! Actually more of a propaganda toy, but very nice. An airplane is a whole system: refueling, repairs, specific ammunition, guidance, communication ... The same is with air defense - locators and missiles are a very complicated thing, you can't just throw it on your shoulder like MANPADS. It is not for nothing that Georgians hired ukrov for themselves, who, by the way, did a lot of nasty things with those "Buks".
      1. VAF
        VAF 7 July 2014 16: 01
        +6
        Quote: Alexan
        "Drying". like those "Buki"


        Comparison is not correct.

        1. Drying is not Buk.tk. drying also needs to fly and not bad to fly. she, drying can not be disguised in the folds of the area like a beech.
        2. Drying also needs to be shot. But unlike Buk it is Drying. does not stand still and time for aiming is strictly limited.
        3. There is no locator on the dryer, but only the ASP and your eyes, I saw well. but did not see .. the second circle may not be.
        4. Ukropskie Sushki run at 5 thousand and more, because the air defense militia does not yet have the necessary air defense ... with the militia Drying this number will not work .... there are no current codes "friend or foe".
        So you need to fly .. "on the belly." and this radius immediately becomes .. not very. And on the belly yourself to find a target without a control center ... this must be very able ... very soldier
        5. Repair, in principle, is not a problem ... nothing could be left from the TECh college. Yes, and the specialists-grandfathers hope to find the same thing, with ATO and fuel and lubricants I hope the same, but with ASP as ??? belay I don’t throw P-50-75 ... but in the WWW, there were no other ammunition as far as I remember .. even the shells for the tail guns on the An-12's and that. 23 mm.
        6. There are no problems with the connection. The tower is an airplane of one VHF ... for the eyes, but guidance and control ... here, of course, there is a problem .. a small drone would be very useful.

        Well, the most important problem is ... the base aerodrome .... judging by the deployment of dill and free spikes of the entire city. Then to the Acute Grave .... no problems.
        True, you can take off from the taxiway too ... but ...
        So with drying ... this is more talk and fellow . than business.

        ZY I wrote in the usual "mundane" language, otherwise people get upset when I use specific terms. drinks
        1. Poroh
          Poroh 7 July 2014 16: 23
          0
          And from the BMP 30-mm shells do not fit really? There are ammunition on the BMP and BMD ...
        2. security expert
          security expert 7 July 2014 22: 06
          +1
          something tells me that drying will take off from Russian territory. Radar near Donetsk militias destroy. No one will prove anything. And the story of this drying is an informational cover.
          1. saha6052
            saha6052 8 July 2014 06: 57
            0
            "Nobody will prove anything." - on psychology, or what else to pay attention to? The Americans are passing decisions through the UN Security Council, will they not support? - Well, they don’t give a damn, will NATO advice, they don’t support? - Well, they don’t give a damn about whoever has an "umbrella" , and Russia is a subject of world politics or is it really a den? - "They won't prove anything?" funny to God, kindergarten.
  19. darksoul
    darksoul 7 July 2014 15: 06
    +33
    It’s written beautifully + an article, only on the other side of the barricades they write how distant guys are walking along the Donbass and they are met with flowers and cherries. Here's how by the way they become, our experts ege rest
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 7 July 2014 15: 14
      +12
      "Ukraine will be reborn like Germany" - a good tool for "Great Ukrov" for brainwashing! The most important thing - the results of the Second World War - were hidden! I personally want such a humanoid to live in association with the EU for a couple of years. Only do not pull the South-East! hi
      1. comprochikos
        comprochikos 7 July 2014 15: 35
        +9
        Tibetan monks said just the opposite. I imagine that they are told at school, they are already trembling.
        1. mister2013
          mister2013 7 July 2014 16: 03
          +1
          NO "Tebetskie" (ukrovskie) monakhs and spoke! bully
          1. comprochikos
            comprochikos 7 July 2014 16: 36
            0
            These are the Tibetan monks who are to be taken from Lviv and go ??
    2. Mimocrocodile
      Mimocrocodile 7 July 2014 15: 17
      +27
      It looks like this guy reached nirvana even before the Tibetan monks ...
    3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 July 2014 15: 22
      +6
      Quote: darksoul
      It’s written beautifully + an article, only on the other side of the barricades they write how distant guys are walking along the Donbass and they are met with flowers and cherries. Here's how by the way they become, our experts ege rest

      Damn, this same degenerate really is in Contact! He writes that Peter 1 forbade the women of Muscovy to wear veils, and forbade harems! He also sought cartographers in Europe to call his country not Muscovy, but Russia! laughing laughing laughing
    4. Stypor23
      Stypor23 7 July 2014 15: 23
      +4
      What a funny little boy. Soon, the western neighbors will present am
    5. sscha
      sscha 7 July 2014 15: 29
      +3
      This Max himself in "nirvana" looks like !!! ... laughing
    6. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 7 July 2014 16: 07
      +5
      so many mistakes! I even couldn’t read until the middle of the text!))) this imbitsil was already deprived of the brain from birth, so he also didn’t give a shit to the head)))
      "ancient ukrov" !!! ahaha ... laughed for a long time ... and what not "ancient orcs"? )))
      and it is interesting that almost the only correctly spelled word is "error")))
      he even wrote to Polshchi))) are there really such illiterate woodpeckers? this definitely needs to live with brothers in America)
    7. although
      although 7 July 2014 19: 58
      0
      Uhhu .. spelling check dill humanitarian aid ... nirvana ppts ..
    8. Homo sapiens
      Homo sapiens 8 July 2014 19: 19
      +1
      Cool article!)))) I’m Ukrainian, my ancestors lived on Ukraine. And this is not a Ukrainian. This is a great shit! Let him scratch to himself in Ukryandia! To me too ... I found a Tibetan-Minet-German monk!)))) Not a single "Rusich" thought that it was their great-grandfathers who threw shovels over the Ural Mountains. And these are nothing ... They are not embarrassed ... They dug the whole sea ... Now it is clear where there is so much hydrogen sulfide on the bottom of the Black Sea!)))
    9. Cynic
      Cynic 9 July 2014 07: 29
      0
      Quote: darksoul
      on the other side of the barricade

      That's why the barricades are not in a hurry to disassemble, then there will come prose of life an associate member of the EU, a standard that turned Europe into a Geyropa.
      In general, from the words you are nobody and there’s no way to call you life will get down to business you are nobody and there’s no way to call you.
  20. awg75
    awg75 7 July 2014 15: 06
    +21
    "72nd separate guards Krasnogradskaya Kievskaya Order of the Red Banner mechanized brigade" killing old men and children under the HEROIC NAME for the ideas of Nazism of old men and children ... DOGS DOGS DEATH
    1. peter-tank
      peter-tank 7 July 2014 15: 24
      +12
      I’m also wondering, are the soldiers from this brigade wearing guards signs? Or in the Ukrainian army, such a badge of distinction is canceled. Honorary titles, military awards for the Second World War to their units retained. And on ... (why) is asked? How do their educating officers introduce the young replenishment to the combat route of the unit?
      By the way, on the Battle Banner of this brigade (if it is a guard), a St. George ribbon should be tied. Maybe they took it off and also burned it on the next divorce on Monday after the Maidan? Then, tv.a.r.r.i, do not dare to use this sacred symbol of military valor in the names of your units !!! am
  21. Slavich
    Slavich 7 July 2014 15: 06
    0
    I read it on another site. If everything is as they say, then life becomes fun. That would be another map with real positions. Then it will be more obvious.
    1. Torn
      Torn 8 July 2014 00: 40
      0
      See above - take away Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Artyomovsk- alignment of the front line?
  22. sever.56
    sever.56 7 July 2014 15: 06
    +21
    [center] [/ center] http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/756/ydif245.jpg
  23. Belarus
    Belarus 7 July 2014 15: 06
    +11
    14-45, From an Informed Source:

    - UPD: VERY IMPORTANT! Verified information from the source from the place. In the outskirts of Slavyansk, where previously there were positions of junta troops, construction equipment appeared. Excavation work is underway, the territory is guarded, posts from nazgad are placed around the perimeter, patrolling is ongoing; Apparently they open their own burial grounds, where they previously dug up conscripts who refused to shoot civilians and their punishers.
    This is especially correlated with other information received from Kiev - there is evidence that the Ukrainian propagandists are going to mount a report in which they tell about the "atrocities" of the militia, they say, they shot civilians. Considering that there are already the first killed among the civilian population after the entry of dill into Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, the provocation can take place literally today or tomorrow. A source from Kiev said the report was scheduled for tomorrow. Please spread this situation as much as possible on social media to prevent this heinous provocation.
    UPD 1: Congratulations to the LPR with aviation. At one of the LNR airports, the SU-25 sat down, the pilot surrendered, or an emergency landing, and so the pilot surrendered - it does not matter. In general - with an initiative!
    UPD 2: 13:00 (Moscow time) In the area of ​​"Shakhtar" there is thick black smoke - this is a garage garbage dump on which there are discarded slopes and cans, hence such a strong smoke. (from)


    reference: http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2533-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-06072014
    -hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html
  24. Andrey82
    Andrey82 7 July 2014 15: 07
    +1
    Something else that looks like another "next 48 hours" ?! Oh my God! And after all, they believe and grab, like Yanukovych, the last straw ("guarantees" of Western partners). The genocide was planned by amer instructors and specials. Insights (Rand Corporation) and they will bring it to the end with the silence of the GDP (read - approval).
  25. Password
    Password 7 July 2014 15: 07
    +8
    Well, God forbid! It is necessary to make full use of the miscalculations and mistakes of the enemy. Make the dominant Saur-Grave an impregnable fortress for ukrov. And to form from the militia units organized with a single command the liberation army of the Russian-speaking Southeast.
  26. Battle hamster
    Battle hamster 7 July 2014 15: 08
    +3
    I hope that the Anglo-Saxons will also be discouraged by this situation and they will lag behind Russia and Ukraine. Russian just can’t take. good luck militia!
    1. Andrey82
      Andrey82 7 July 2014 15: 11
      +7
      They will not lag behind. They have nowhere to go, and you won't scare them with hats and slogans. They would lag behind if "suddenly" a movement of the Meks began in California to return this land to the Meks.
      This I mean how to act with amers, and not to "negotiate".
  27. APS
    APS 7 July 2014 15: 08
    +3
    Letting all punishers into the region - not letting anyone out. Let the land of Novorossia be a grave for these URDOs!
  28. Siberian 1975
    Siberian 1975 7 July 2014 15: 10
    +1
    As the mess at the Dill pleases, it would be better to use it wisely.
  29. Russ69
    Russ69 7 July 2014 15: 11
    0
    KIEV, July 7 - RIA Novosti. President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko will discuss with the security forces in the evening their further actions in the south-east of the country, according to the website of the president of the country.

    This weekend, the militias were forced to retreat towards Donetsk and Lugansk from Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Artemovsk and Druzhkovka in order, according to them, to draw fire from the civilian population. According to the statement of the deputy secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, Mikhail Koval, Donetsk and Lugansk will be taken into complete blockade to force the militias to surrender.

    "In the evening, the president will hold a meeting with the heads of law enforcement agencies on a plan for further actions," the press release says.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140707/1015031746.html#ixzz36mQHFXj0
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 7 July 2014 15: 34
      0
      Yes, war is an expensive affair, so they’re about to talk. We will see ...
  30. Mimocrocodile
    Mimocrocodile 7 July 2014 15: 11
    +1
    Quote: awg75
    "The 72nd separate guards Krasnograd Kievskaya Order of the Red Banner mechanized brigade" killing old men and children under the HEROIC NAME OF HONORED GRANDFATES for the ideas of Nazism ...

    And the article says that
    Quote: Belarus
    the fighters of which, in principle, are not particularly enthusiastic when conducting combat operations against the Donbass militia.

    Its fighters are forced people: to stay in the unit, to shoot at peaceful people, and to desert, they are probably afraid of revenge from the militia. They in the brigade (it turned out to be an ambiguity!) Probably so fooled their heads about "bloodthirsty terrorists" that Goebbels would have rubbed his hands with pleasure.
  31. kaban0072
    kaban0072 7 July 2014 15: 12
    +9
    Initially I thought it looked like an attempt to morally support the alarmists and "all-propals". Most of all, it was embarrassing that they refer to a certain source in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which in itself does not inspire confidence. If there is any rumor, and you want to replicate it, refer to similar sources. But after some semblance of analysis in the article and comparison of information, "Nadia" (who always dies last) began to wake up. In general, I WANT TO BELIEVE !!!!!)))
  32. abc_02
    abc_02 7 July 2014 15: 13
    +2
    Again, the spies of GDP are to blame. Do not give the valiant ukrovokoya fight correctly!
  33. SAHALIN
    SAHALIN 7 July 2014 15: 14
    +4
    All the troubles of Ukraine, and of the whole world, from mattresses and not thinking, peeping geyerops under the skirt of mattresses !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  34. Fast
    Fast 7 July 2014 15: 14
    +1
    Soon they will have foot problems carry away. Own and sell.
  35. Vend
    Vend 7 July 2014 15: 15
    +1
    Well, if that's true, then the news is good.
  36. Performance
    Performance 7 July 2014 15: 16
    +4
    The ATO itself will not die, it is initially dead and zombified. Interestingly, those zombies from "Azov" who went to the front - how were they processed? Discreetly through rations and water, or voluntarily, through medicine and alcohol?
  37. Roshchin
    Roshchin 7 July 2014 15: 16
    0
    The article is wonderful. A plus. However, let me ask where the respected author information? But is the source from Kyev not from this very ukropovsky GSh? Or take it higher?
    1. military_medic
      military_medic 7 July 2014 15: 27
      +1
      Psionic interception winked
  38. venzim
    venzim 7 July 2014 15: 19
    +2
    Uplifting article !!!
  39. SIROP73
    SIROP73 7 July 2014 15: 19
    +2
    Good news, good luck guys.
  40. papont64
    papont64 7 July 2014 15: 22
    +5
    Hit the enemy anywhere!
    Hit the enemy with anything!
    A lot of them fell, but still few!
    Few of them fell! It is necessary still!
  41. Leshka
    Leshka 7 July 2014 15: 23
    0
    no need to be very happy it can be a duck
  42. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 7 July 2014 15: 23
    +5
    The only consoling moment - the greatest losses (up to half of the personnel) were incurred by the volunteer battalion "Azov" (a collection of little-controlled criminals and Nazis),


    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/143/mfut946.jpg
    1. Coltxnumx
      Coltxnumx 7 July 2014 17: 29
      +3
      I would have buried such a son with swastikas in the basement in a quiet base, and would have told my neighbors that I didn’t have a son!
  43. strelok93rus
    strelok93rus 7 July 2014 15: 24
    +6
    We did everything competently! A separate respect for Strelkov and his guys! Less panic and everything will go as it should. And then they have already started pouring mud on Strelkov that Slavyansk had "leaked". To choke the "fifth column" in the bud. Drive Kurginyan in the neck.
  44. Yellow white
    Yellow white 7 July 2014 15: 24
    +1
    Info for "Vsepalschikov"!

    Well, if the truth is about the SU-25 pilot, then this is very good!
    1. VAF
      VAF 7 July 2014 16: 10
      -1
      Quote: Black and White
      Info for "Vsepalschikov"!

      Well, if the truth is about the SU-25 pilot, then this is very good!


      Be so kind as to clarify ... why infa is for "all-spreads" request and why it’s very good. that the pilot gave up belay ?
  45. Yapet100
    Yapet100 7 July 2014 15: 25
    +8
    Well ... we'll see more !!! and Kiev will still be !!!
    1. comprochikos
      comprochikos 7 July 2014 15: 37
      +7
      What is this creature? what
      1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Stypor23
      Stypor23 7 July 2014 15: 40
      +4
      However, she has something in her mouth, which fellow, advertises herself in advance, a lady. laughing
    3. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 7 July 2014 15: 42
      +11
      Apparently, Chernobyl had a strong effect on the Ukrainians ... Poor people, how the hell were waiting for you ... wassat
      1. ver_
        ver_ 8 July 2014 07: 09
        +1
        ... it’s not Chernobl that acts, but a gas pipe ... There will be no pipe - there will be no Ukraine ... Old Man sold his pipe to Russia and ... sleeps peacefully, even he doesn’t have his own army ...
    4. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 7 July 2014 15: 51
      +6
      It looks like something between Merlin Manson and Masha Rasputin)))))
    5. Vitalka
      Vitalka 7 July 2014 16: 26
      +2
      Well, where did this come from?
      Although it’s clear where to go - to Holland to earn money!
    6. Pula
      Pula 7 July 2014 19: 13
      0
      Judging by the photo, the girl is fully engaged in what Prime Minister of Poland ... wink
  46. SeAl2014
    SeAl2014 7 July 2014 15: 25
    +1
    Battle success and soldier good luck!
  47. military_medic
    military_medic 7 July 2014 15: 26
    0
    Paper troops. What can I say. This is understandable that the military personnel understand and see everything - the destruction of their people is underway. A war that can only end at the negotiating table is pointless.
    1. Vitalka
      Vitalka 7 July 2014 16: 28
      0
      The destruction of a strange people is underway. Mr. Poroshenko-Waltzman is going to live on another continent!
  48. Russ69
    Russ69 7 July 2014 15: 28
    +1
    Hit a shell in a car during shelling in Lugans. Two dead ...
    1. Cossack Ermak
      Cossack Ermak 8 July 2014 17: 13
      0
      the crossroads that were shot for the campaign ....
  49. Mahmut
    Mahmut 7 July 2014 15: 28
    +1
    Well, you must. Direct dispatches from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the editorial office of "Military Review". Interestingly, they guessed to send a copy to Strelkov.
  50. GHOST29RUS
    GHOST29RUS 7 July 2014 15: 29
    0
    ATO was blown away like everyone who started it
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 7 July 2014 20: 34
      +1
      Explain to me, the slow-witted - Ato was blown away, and the militias are retreating? How illogical? Or is this the logic?
      1. security expert
        security expert 7 July 2014 22: 37
        +2
        They retreat, but they were not destroyed or taken prisoner. Moreover, they united with their own under a single command. And "retreat" is also a retreat - a type of maneuver by troops in order to reach more advantageous lines (Combat manual of ground forces)
      2. boris-1230
        boris-1230 8 July 2014 20: 37
        +1
        A retreat is a maneuver that allows you to save forces and resources for regrouping, rearmament and counterattack.