Military Review

Self-immolation of Ukrainian statehood

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In anticipation of the international liquidation commission

The main reason why the Ukrainian state is still considered to be existing is the difficulty of liquidation from the international legal point of view. Ukraine is one of the founding countries of the United Nations, a member of the OSCE, the WTO and a host of other world and European structures. So, it will be necessary to decide what will happen in this territory after the fact of the disappearance of the state is ascertained and somehow it will be necessary to legalize a new geopolitical reality in all international organizations and structures, of which Ukraine has been a member so far. In addition, someone must take responsibility for tens of billions of dollars of public debt. Or lenders will have to accept the fact that the money is gone.

It cannot be said that all these issues were so difficult to solve. For example, debts in the world stories written off repeatedly. Moreover, it is already clear: Ukraine will never, give anything to anyone. States also appear and disappear by the dozens. Nevertheless, the world community does not really want to act as a liquidation commission of a large European country, which a year ago both the European Union, Russia and the United States counted as promising partners. The systemic crisis that has engulfed the Western world is disposed to philosophical reflections, and the logic of events suggests that tomorrow many members of the EU may take the place of Ukraine. Nobody wants to create a precedent.

There is one more thing. Ukrainian territory is not the sphere of interests of only one state, its population is focused on different external forces. If New Russia is not at all opposed to reunification with Russia, and Galicia and Volyn are completely satisfied with integration into the EU by joining Poland, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, then the center (Kiev) is still undergoing a sovereignty complex, raising it to the level of world capitals (at least in own eyes). Moreover, the boundaries of potential spheres of interests of external players, along which theoretically it would be possible to draw a demarcation line, do not coincide with the regional foreign policy preferences of the Ukrainian population itself.

And finally, the European Union clearly does not come to the delight of the fact that in the regions, which he would have to take care of, the main forces of armed neo-Nazi militants who have real combat experience gained during the ongoing civil war would be concentrated.

And yet, the state of Ukraine is no longer there, and sooner or later it will have to be considered with this fact.

Firstly, because there is a civil war, a complete military victory in which one of the parties is impossible. Even despite the tactical surrender of Slavyansk.

Now, neo-Nazis, relying on the western regions and the center, cannot suppress the resistance of only two regions of the Southeast. But if the militiamen go on the offensive, then, relatively quickly expelling the enemy from the territory of Novorossia and occupying the central regions (Little Russia), they risk encountering fierce resistance from Western Ukraine. Its population will defend its civilization choice with no less bitterness than the DNR / LC militia are doing now.

Consequently, even from this point of view, a way out of a destructive civil war that can last for years is a civilized divorce. He will allow Galicians and Russians to live in different states. The price of the issue is the border between Galicia and Novorossia, which will have to divide Little Russia, whose independent existence is impossible without eastern, southern and western regions.

Actually, the border line may be the only practical result of military actions. That is why the refusal of the Kiev regime to recognize the independence of the DPR and the LPR (and initially even their autonomy) is a strategic stupidity, since during the fighting the border may significantly shift to the West. Even much west of Kiev.

Secondly, the closest neighbors are not interested in the existence of an aggressive neo-Nazi state on their borders, in which even the central authorities are unable to control illegal armed groups created on their own initiative both by individual oligarchs and politicians and simply “public organizations” like the Right Sector. It is not only about Russia. In Europe, too, they are well aware that, sooner or later, the Nazis will turn their gaze in their direction, because the Bandera do not like the Poles any more than the Russians.

Third, Ukraine will face a financial and economic collapse. Ten years ago, the inability of the state to support itself would not be a big problem, since international financial markets were full of cheap and affordable credit resources. Today, loans for the continuation of the war are issued to Kiev in a teaspoon a year. Even the United States is in no hurry to invest money, despite its obvious political motivation.

Fourth, the main sponsor of the Ukrainian statehood, the United States, does not need its long-term preservation. Of course, America is interested in continuing the destructive civil war in New Russia as long as possible. After all, hostilities link Russian resources and still create the conditions for a possible confrontation between Moscow and Brussels. But Ukraine for the USA is a consumable item, it wins for Washington time and space for geopolitical maneuver, sacrificing itself. To save her, the United States is not going to.

If it were otherwise, they would not have initially brought the matter to destabilization, but would have stimulated Kiev to agreements with the South-East, which initially could be reached on very favorable conditions. Even local oligarchic elites would retain their administrative and political positions in the regions and would rather quickly suppress unsanctioned resistance.

Washington could not fail to see such a simple move as “to promise and then deceive”, but purposefully pushed Kiev towards the beginning of hostilities, when it also had no troops. That is, America did not need a single Ukraine, nor Kiev’s victory — the United States relied on the war as a problem for Russia, regardless of whether it could be drawn in. Moreover, the United States incited the Kremlin to occupy a neighboring state, knowing full well that this would take no more than a week for the Russian army. Therefore, I stress once more: Ukraine is a pawn, which was sacrificed to the geopolitical ambitions of Washington. Since Russia did not take it immediately, before the figure still falls off the board, it is necessary to squeeze everything out of it.

Fifthly, the population of Ukraine itself has no interest in maintaining statehood. Now it seems that the western and central regions are embraced by an unprecedented patriotic upsurge and are eager to defend the state from unknown people and from all at once. True, so far this “upsurge” has made it possible to forcibly mobilize a little more than ten thousand people (who did not have time, who were unable to, or who did not guess to run away and hide) and attract the same number of neo-Nazi volunteers. Given the fact that even volunteers prefer to stand at checkpoints or carry out punitive actions against civilians, the 40 millionth country was able to attract only artillery to real front-line operations (aviation already almost lost), “warring” beyond the reach of return fire.

In reality, Kiev office hamsters are interested in preserving the Ukrainian state; they feel that they are the foremen of the world's destinies, several thousand journalists from the central media, part of the highest bureaucracy that feels equal to Putin and Obama and has the ability to milk the empty budget and, finally, the oligarchs, for whom Ukraine is the main asset . Without it, all powders, pinchuks, Akhmetovs, Kolomoisky are mere millionaires with the prospect of confiscation of acquired things.

Thus, the population of the south-east of the country for the most part seeks to return to Russia, and seemingly patriotic residents of the west and the center dream of joining the EU, where, according to their ideas, they will be paid German wages, French pensions, and they will work as the greeks That is, it is about trying to exchange sovereignty for a loaf. True, there is no sovereignty anymore, and no one is going to give a loaf.

In general, if a state is not able to ensure its existence economically, cannot defend itself militarily, if it is a burden for external players and is not particularly needed by its own population, the question of its elimination is a matter of time, not of principle. Even despite the difficulties that will arise in connection with the need to somehow enter this process into the norms of a destroyed, but formally existing international law.

Even the unforgettable Ilf and Petrov rightly pointed out that if the entire population of Voroniy suburb is sure that it should burn (and after property insurance even interested in it), then it will burn, set on fire immediately from six ends. Ukraine has already been set on fire - not without the participation of its “patriots”.
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  1. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger 8 July 2014 07: 32
    +9
    Article plus.
    On the other hand, holding such a state formation for a long time (or even maintaining it), even without SE, is also not an option. Pragmatism will take its toll.
    1. BYV
      BYV 8 July 2014 07: 44
      +8
      I respect Ishchenko as a competent and sensible analyst.
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 8 July 2014 07: 57
        +15
        Without the industrial potential of the Southeast, the economy of the western khan dill.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 8 July 2014 08: 15
          +7
          Well nifiga yourself! winked

          Six junta tanks exploded after overhaul
          08.07.2014

          According to sources in Novorossia, the punishers of the Kiev junta suffered new casualties in manpower and weapons.

          According to sources, six T-72 tanks were destroyed after repairs at the Kharkov Tank Plant. According to some reports, the ammunition detonated in military vehicles when trying to shoot.

          It is reported that in this way, four tanks were destroyed at the junta near Slavyansk, and two at Kramatorsk.

          The ATO leadership traditionally concealed the losses of crews and combat vehicles proper from the public. In the best case, the death of the crews will be recognized later and blamed on the insidious "separatists".

          http://www.segodnia.ru/news/142494
          1. tank64rus
            tank64rus 8 July 2014 10: 08
            +8
            So the patriots who remained at the Kharkov plant remember the Chief Designer Koshkin, Morozov, Kucherenko and all those who created the armored power of the USSR.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 8 July 2014 10: 23
              +4
              Quote: tank64rus
              So they stayed at the Kharkov plant

              If undermining the BC, then it is completely optional.
              The ignoramus with weapons is the most dangerous for himself and others, for the enemy in the last turn.
              1. Rus2012
                8 July 2014 10: 46
                +5
                Quote: Cynic
                If undermining the BC, then it is completely optional.

                ... :)))
                I will not disclose how this could happen ...
                Let Natsik-Bandera guess and brain, if it is, break!
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 8 July 2014 17: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  I will not disclose how this could happen ...

                  Well, this is a no brainer, but only an ignoramus can slap it. Recently, a video was posted about the Ukrtankists, full of maydaunas. Shoot and fear, fear and shoot!
                  And what is characteristic is that they are no longer afraid of the shot itself, but of the work of AZ! They don’t understand how it can work!
                  But essentially BC itself is more interesting in this light.
                  wink
          2. tank64rus
            tank64rus 8 July 2014 10: 08
            0
            So the patriots who remained at the Kharkov plant remember the Chief Designer Koshkin, Morozov, Kucherenko and all those who created the armored power of the USSR.
          3. yur58
            yur58 8 July 2014 10: 30
            +2
            This worked militia agents in factories.
        2. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 8 July 2014 08: 19
          +16
          Spread already .. I think the article is very suitable. As if about today's time.
        3. kotvov
          kotvov 8 July 2014 08: 32
          +6
          so Hungarians, Romanians, and Poles aimed at them. The European integration plan implies restitution-return of property and land. So, Ukraine’s friends will take it in full.
          1. PATTIY
            PATTIY 8 July 2014 13: 18
            +2
            Quote: kotvov
            so Hungarians, Romanians, and Poles aimed at them. The European integration plan implies restitution-return of property and land. So, Ukraine’s friends will take it in full.

            Do not forget about the Canadian Ukrainians who fled overseas after 39 years from the Soviet regime. laughing and then they were fooled. I think that Ukrainians really will not want to part with their good, because of their mentality. Moldova there too laughing
        4. Sid.74
          Sid.74 8 July 2014 08: 32
          +7
          Quote: subbtin.725
          Without the industrial potential of the Southeast, the economy of the western khan dill.


          By the way, here’s the joke when signing the European integration with the EU, the Ukrainian authorities did an incredible stupidity, the zapadents will soon understand what they’ve done!
          The point is, by signing the conditions for integration, Ukraine agreed with the terms of restitution, that is, the return of property and property to the rightful owner or relative of the owner! Poles, Romanians, Hungarians have already stood in line!
          It's time for us to claim the royal lands back! Guess who will suffer the most from this, zapadentsy!laughing
      2. DOMINO100
        DOMINO100 8 July 2014 09: 21
        +1
        it’s written very correctly, and anyone can spread hysteria, pragmatism will prevail. the clock is ticking, like the money of Ukraine. and Russia has huge interests in the Middle East.
      3. WKS
        WKS 8 July 2014 10: 04
        +3
        Quote: Ischenko
        That is why the refusal of the Kiev regime to recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR (and initially even their autonomy) is strategic stupidity, because during the hostilities the border can essentially shift to the West. Even significantly west of Kiev.

        I strongly disagree with this. In case of recognition of the LPR and the DPR, the other regions of Novorossia will quickly and voluntarily forcibly join their union. And subsequently, the rest of the former Russian provinces, with the possible exception of the western regions. Today, Ukraine, as the heiress of the Ukrainian SSR, killed itself with two maidans, the state disappeared, only its vestiges remained.
    2. Canep
      Canep 8 July 2014 08: 25
      +4
      Or lenders will have to come to terms with the fact that the money is gone.
      It seems to me "OR" is superfluous here. I think the default is not far off.
      1. nvv
        nvv 8 July 2014 08: 27
        0
        Lugansk. SUMMARY.
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 8 July 2014 10: 11
      0
      Ukraine from a secular state has slipped into a fascist form in essence.
    4. The comment was deleted.
  2. Morgan
    Morgan 8 July 2014 07: 33
    +11
    Is Ukraine a State? I never laughed like that ...
    1. doctor
      doctor 8 July 2014 07: 36
      +5
      I think that it’s not a state, but several subjects of Russia. laughing
      1. doctor
        doctor 8 July 2014 08: 43
        0
        All Europe Unquestioningly Fulfills Putin's Decrees laughing
  3. Dezinto
    Dezinto 8 July 2014 07: 35
    +4
    Ukraine - fired!
  4. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 8 July 2014 07: 42
    -5
    More surprised that the author considers Ukraine a co-founder of the UN ...
    Banderlogs on the censor have the same conviction ... Who is the author?
    What is the purpose of the article?
    The article seems to be correct, but the devil, as always, is hiding in the details ...
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 8 July 2014 07: 59
      +15
      You will be surprised, but not only Ukraine, but also Belarus are included in the list of 50 founding countries of the UN. Rummage in the Internet, search all list.
      This was Stalin's brilliant move, for the USSR received not 1 vote, but three.
      1. Kapdva
        Kapdva 8 July 2014 15: 51
        0
        Not three, but 4. USSR, RSFSR, Ukrainian SSR and BSSR
    2. Angro Magno
      Angro Magno 8 July 2014 08: 25
      +3
      Who is the author?


      The author is Stalin.
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. thinking
      thinking 8 July 2014 09: 18
      +2
      Yes, indeed, Ukraine is one of the founding states of the UN. Joseph Vissarionovich had a hand in it.
  5. KIRON
    KIRON 8 July 2014 07: 43
    +1
    A little different. Ukraine? -Dismissed.
  6. Agat
    Agat 8 July 2014 07: 43
    +5
    America did not need a single Ukraine, nor the victory of Kiev - the United States relied on war as a problem for Russia, regardless of whether it could be pulled. Moreover, the United States incited the Kremlin to occupy the neighboring state, knowing full well that the Russian army would need no more than a week to do this. Therefore, I emphasize once again: Ukraine is a pawn sacrificed to Washington’s geopolitical ambitions. Since Russia did not immediately take it, before the figure anyway falls off the board, it is necessary to squeeze everything possible out of it.
    So the role of Ukraine was determined - a pawn falling from the table. And Putin is most likely a new chess figure who walks as he wants!
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 8 July 2014 08: 09
      +10
      Here Obama cries loudly
      He wanted to play the ball.
      Only Putin (howl-not howl!)
      Does not give the whole globe of the earth. Obama takes away
      The dirt erases from Ukraine.
      Then Obama sobbed
      I ran for "help".

      Here the "six" galloped
      And she screamed at Vova:
      "Why are you hitting Obama ?!
      Do not give a ball in your hands? Erasing blue from the ball
      And you don’t respect Bender!
      Right now, give the ball to Obama! -
      And stomped feet-

      You can’t object to us!
      You and I are now enemies! "
      Vova waited a little,
      And then he said like this:

      "Your friendship is unnecessary.
      Two pennies its price.
      I won’t give the ball, at least dine
      Though you all cling to me. None of you yet
      I did not touch and slightly ...
      But you don’t have to make me angry
      I can and bite.

      You played enough
      And the borders trampled
      Smeared with blood and mud
      Flooded with scum ...

      Rocketed
      That white light is not visible!
      Not! In your opinion it will not!
      God will not leave Russia!

      I will wash the globe of the earth!
      Who is for the world, come with me!
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 8 July 2014 15: 10
      0
      Quote: Agat
      So the role of Ukraine was determined - a pawn falling from the table. And Putin is most likely a new chess figure who walks as he wants!

      a chess piece, even the most figured one, is dressed only by the will of the player. Comparing the PLAYER and the GAME FIGURE is nonsense.
      1. Agat
        Agat 9 July 2014 06: 15
        0
        Dear, this is humor! Do not take it so seriously!
  7. sv68
    sv68 8 July 2014 07: 44
    +2
    everything is mixed up with money and blood. There is no future and the authorities can’t do anything and are afraid of everything, ukroin today. while ukroin is still but no longer the state
  8. Same lech
    Same lech 8 July 2014 07: 45
    +2
    In general, if a state is not able to ensure its existence economically, cannot defend itself militarily, if it is a burden for external players and is not particularly needed by its own population, the question of its elimination is a matter of time, not of principle. Even despite the difficulties that will arise in connection with the need to somehow enter this process into the norms of a destroyed, but formally existing international law.



    Absolutely true .... Ukrainians want to ride on the Maidan .... we don’t want to work ... let the quilted jackets work ... heh heh well what can I say ... stupid life form.
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 8 July 2014 09: 37
      +1
      Seppuku of Ukraine began 23 years ago.
      - Japanese do hara-kiri by themselves, hiding in a secluded place.
      - And seppuku requires the help of a best friend. The samurai hides in a secluded place, reads his last poem, then cuts his stomach with a sharp grandfather's sword and proceeds to observe his entrails. Here his best friend is connected - he must at one stroke separate the head of the observant samurai from the neck. As a bonus, the head separated from the neck will be sent by postal order to the inconsolable Samurai widow.

      I wonder who will be the best friend? That's what is not Russia, that's for sure!
    2. Nikolav
      Nikolav 8 July 2014 13: 10
      0
      Parasitic civilization. Parasitic population. One such nation scattered all over the world, and now it was their turn. Only these ... They have no mind at all. Just jump. "I am straight, I am sideways, with a turn and a jump, and with a run, and in place, and with two legs together."
  9. KIRON
    KIRON 8 July 2014 07: 46
    +4
    Pain. Tears. Blood.
  10. Venier
    Venier 8 July 2014 07: 46
    +3
    Yes, burn it, with a blue and yellow flame. You look, through the fire, purification will come, and the tangle of fascism will go away forever.
  11. yana532912
    yana532912 8 July 2014 07: 48
    +1
    After all, well done author! How accurately described the clique, which puffed up to catch up with the leaders of other countries, but it looks just a pity, if not comical. Only now the sluggish dying of the state will take many more lives. I feel sorry for people.
  12. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 8 July 2014 07: 50
    +3
    Yeah! The IMF has suspended the transfer of the next tranche, the commission working in Ukraine has extended its stay until July 9, they cannot deal with the Ukrainian economy, they are naive. And here already Poland, Hungary, Romania dust off the documents on the right of ownership, in short, the country dill jumped. Well, how can one not recall the saying: what they fought for, they ran into something. Only here are the lives that you can’t return, they don’t allow you to calmly relate to this.
  13. knn54
    knn54 8 July 2014 07: 51
    +6
    When it's time
    collapse of structures
    Anytime
    everywhere at the interchanges
    at the deathbed
    empires and cultures
    are Jews
    in mourning bandages.
    Igor Guberman
    In 2007, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. PUBLICALLY thanked Soviet Jews for the collapse of the USSR!
  14. Saturn
    Saturn 8 July 2014 07: 51
    +1
    The oligarchs of Ukraine buried their country for profit.
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 8 July 2014 07: 54
    +3
    Ukraine is one of the founding countries of the UN- as the country most affected by Nazism and the same country has slipped into Nazism .. and cries at the UN that its poor Nazi power is being offended ..
  16. dima67
    dima67 8 July 2014 07: 55
    0
    Here read what could remain of Ukraine
    http://novorus.info/news/policy/24858-bomba-dlya-ukrainy-ot-obse-krym-otoshel-k-
    rossii-v-poryadke-restitucii.html
  17. mig31
    mig31 8 July 2014 07: 57
    +2
    Such a country, with such riches, for the sake of joining the s.r.a.s.u. of geyrop - to drive down the drain ... Dumb and brainless ...
  18. saag
    saag 8 July 2014 08: 03
    0
    when someone or something is buried in advance, then what they tried to bury like that lives for a long time
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 8 July 2014 08: 28
      +1
      Quote: saag
      when someone or something is buried in advance, then what they tried to bury like that lives for a long time

      It is much worse when a dead state is not buried and when it decomposes, it poisons others.
  19. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 July 2014 08: 04
    +1
    The article is certainly positive. Only now the hryvnia is strengthening. I may be tired of my repetitions, but I repeat again, follow the course of the hryvnia. How the hryvnia will cost less than 2.5 rubles, then you can rejoice. So far we can only discuss the demise of the country, speculating and expressing our fantasies.
  20. GRAY
    GRAY 8 July 2014 08: 06
    +9
    "Vadim Ulida, Deputy Minister of the Coal Industry and Energy of Ukraine, said that" the country has begun to reanimate projects to create nuclear fuel, based on the availability of its own developments and raw materials, "the media reported on July 6.
    “Ukraine has a real opportunity to abandon Russian gas. For this, it is necessary to implement a nuclear energy development program. Kiev has natural resources for this. The issue is political will and sources of financing, ”Ulida believes.
    Ukraine plans to build a plant for the production of fuel elements for reactors, a centralized storage facility for spent nuclear fuel and eleven new power units. Now nuclear power plants provide almost half of all Ukrainian electricity generation. "

    Well, for starters, about financing, since it is a question. I don’t have a detailed price list for the construction of a nuclear power plant, well, they didn’t send a fresh one, so I’ll have to estimate it.
    The first power unit of the Bushehr NPP cost Iran a round bill of one billion green non-rubles and is not maneuverable. Here, of course, we must take into account the fact that when invoicing, Russia, which built it, took into account the prospects and did not take it fully, but let it be.
    A billion, therefore, we multiply in a column of 11 blocks, we get crazy money. In three or four billion times, a plant for the production of TVEs will stand up. Five or six billion - an enrichment plant, centrifuges, expensive. Well, plus a little there in the storage and equipment of the mine in Yellow Waters.

    There is a vague suspicion that this amount cannot be obtained by exporting fat and vodka.
    But this is not the worst.

    The horror lies elsewhere. Namely, in the fact that some Merkel will definitely choke on beer, having learned that in the Wild Field, where the baron's squads run after each other across the steppes, very vaguely imagining the prospects not only of a monthly distance, but even of the next Monday, but per person who came to the prosecutor's office without a machine gun, they look at him as if he came there without pants, in all this splendor they are going to launch a full cycle of nuclear production. From which there is only one step to the production of weapons-grade plutonium, and a "dirty bomb" can be assembled in general right on the knee.
    And Drang tries Osten. Or he’ll call Volodya’s friend and ask if he is satisfied with the border along the Rivne – Chernivtsi line or is it necessary?

    Gift, in general, for a gift.
    There is such an opinion - as soon as the yards leave for free swimming, they immediately lose their shores.
    What, in the ass, troop deployment, they do everything themselves.
    "And in the morning they swayed on the waves. Only splinters of that shuttle."
  21. saag
    saag 8 July 2014 08: 10
    0
    Quote: GRAY
    Five or six billion - an enrichment plant, centrifuges, expensive. Well, plus a little there in the storage and equipment of the mine in Yellow Waters.

    In Zheltye Vody since the times of the USSR there is an enrichment plant
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 8 July 2014 08: 27
      0
      Quote: saag
      In Zheltye Vody since the times of the USSR there is an enrichment plant

      In 1991, uranium mining in Ukraine was completely discontinued, and the plants of the Republic of Kazakhstan were mothballed. If there are centrifuges, then why do they themselves not produce fuel for nuclear power plants?
      1. saag
        saag 8 July 2014 09: 00
        +1
        they themselves answered - there is no uranium mining - there’s nothing to enrich
  22. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 8 July 2014 08: 14
    +4
    What idiots you had to be in order to stir up all this, and to stay in order to continue all this, on all Censors to protect and defend all this! A great example for the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Belarus, etc. - you will see the white carpet kill or fascist or gay !!!!!
  23. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 8 July 2014 08: 16
    0
    And there is nothing to add to the article, it’s a pity only people who fell under this moloch for the sake of someone’s ambitions and interests.
  24. kowalski
    kowalski 8 July 2014 08: 18
    -2
    "Ukraine is one of the UN founding countries ..."
    There it is! And you say "Ukraine has no statehood"! It turns out there is! Since 1945 ... It will soon become clear that Ukraine is the founder of NATO, the League of Nations and the Third International ...
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 8 July 2014 08: 47
      +3
      Quote: kowalski
      ..It will soon become clear that Ukraine is the founder

      It’s strange for me to listen to you, dear kowalski You’re not ours.
      It is precisely proved that Eden was in the territory of Ukraine and, accordingly, Adam and Eve were broad Ukrainians.
      About someone Jesus, the same rumors spread that he was from Nazareth, it was definitely established by the locals, he was from the Poltava region!
      And VO forum users have long been proven that Bulat is the heir to the war mammoth from time immemorial living in the steppes of Ukraine!

      hi
  25. terrible
    terrible 8 July 2014 08: 23
    +1
    There are normal people, and there are nerds. And they keep fools in special institutions, and let them live healthy people separate from us. Let them jump in their madhouse, shake their boobs. The end they still have is one, the orderlies will come, they will give cuffs especially violent)))
  26. Gagarin
    Gagarin 8 July 2014 08: 24
    +1
    Two rebellious areas are FAR NOT THE INDUSTRIAL POTENTIAL, Zaporizhzhya, Dnepropetrovsk, and especially Kharkiv, are VERY AND VERY serious regions. There, the capacity was laid not under the skinny Ukraine (which could not normally dispose of them) but under the potential of the empire of the caliber of the USSR.
    Quote: subbtin.725
    Without the industrial potential of the Southeast, the economy of the western khan dill.
  27. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 8 July 2014 08: 27
    +3
    Here the Nazis spoke about Ukraine ... After all, this was not hidden from where the Galicians worshiped the Nazis, etc.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 July 2014 08: 50
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Here are the Nazis spoke about Ukraine

      Meehan, these words were spoken by Wittmann, but in the photo he is not even the SS.
      Here he is Wittman, a tankman.
      1. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 8 July 2014 09: 43
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        Yes, in the photo in a comment by MIKHAN, some Wehrmacht general.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 8 July 2014 09: 45
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          The Nazis all on one face ..))))
  28. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 8 July 2014 08: 29
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    Quote: GRAY

    There is such an opinion - as soon as the yards leave for free swimming, they immediately lose their shores.
    What, in the ass, troop deployment, they do everything themselves.
    "And in the morning they swayed on the waves. Only splinters of that shuttle."

    Hurry to look at the chips.
    Ukraine, as a state, in addition to political absurdity, also contains cultural decay.
    Even forever naked shoy-wumenki or mediocre figured muddles are not the limit of debauchery.
    Even corrupt politicians, constantly showing inconsistency of position and incoherence of words and deeds, are not the limit of unscrupulousness.
    But shooting at temples, squeezing temples from competitors in faith, targeting a foreign culture is a rare occurrence. which, in principle, does not occur among peoples with their own statehood.

    They ran into the Russian language.
    But Russian for Ukraine is a minimal evil. Russian speakers will not flee en masse to geyropu, or Asia with America.
    But integrating into the EU ...
    The Croats held an international conference on engines ... To her, local professor Colin published a book ... in English.
    Causes on the surface. it is primitively clear.
    so that abandoning Russian nationalists will need to abandon other world languages. And banderlogs will choose a second language from the list: Pashtun, Zulu or Berber ...
  29. silver169
    silver169 8 July 2014 08: 30
    +1
    The under-state of nonhumans cannot exist for a long time. This shameful Ukronodessodov does not even need to win or conquer. Very soon, its population, clinging to each other, like spiders in a bank, will devour themselves.
  30. shishakova
    shishakova 8 July 2014 08: 32
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    Thanks to the author!
    A logical analysis of the tragic political confrontation.
    It seems that the United States is poorly predicting its aggressive actions.
  31. marder4
    marder4 8 July 2014 08: 33
    +1
    about how, have already begun to bury Ukraine, maybe the end is near?
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 8 July 2014 09: 00
      +1
      The end of Ukraine as a state is really near. Everything that is written in the article is absolutely true, especially with regard to the lack of benefits of preserving Ukraine as a state for the West. Sooner or later, the West will offer Russia to divide Ukraine, the only question is how the border will go, which areas will go to New Russia and which to the West. Moreover, Westerners will have to solve the problem with the Hungarians, Poles and Romanians, to whom to give a piece from Ukraine. You will also have to resolve the issue with the debts of Ukraine. In general, it all goes to the partition of Ukraine. The only question is who will offer this first, Russia or the West. And also under what conditions everything will happen.
  32. GRAY
    GRAY 8 July 2014 08: 38
    +2
    Ukraine: Arctic fox sneaks up much earlier
    Alexey Blyuminov, political observer, Lugansk-Kiev
    I'm a padded jacket, miscellaneous, Ukraine Strong

    It's been the fifth month since the sign with the inscription “Rent” flaunted on the glass facade of a former children's clothing store in my area. There were no people who wanted to establish an office or a retail outlet on an empty area.
    Over the past three months, two cafes have closed in my area. Unbecoming. Middle arm. Near them expensive cars did not graze in herds, but it was possible to have an inexpensive snack. They could not stand the price increase, drop in attendance and rent growth.
    Not so long ago my favorite point was closed, where friendly Georgians baked fresh Georgian Puri bread.
    About a dozen acquaintances lost their jobs, but they never found her. Two more were cut salaries, and they, sighing and swearing, are forced to do the same work as before, but for less money. What can you do? At least something.
    A few days ago, an ad from Jack near the elevator door politely notified me and other residents that the cost of hot water had increased by 1% since July 80.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 8 July 2014 08: 39
      +4
      And now is the time to move from private to general.
      Since the beginning of the year, 11 banks have gone bankrupt in Ukraine. A few dozen more are on the line. How and at whose expense they will be saved is still unclear. IMF money is not enough for everyone. Rumor has it that even monsters like Privatbank started having problems. People cannot withdraw their money from deposits. And the government itself taxed the deposits themselves.
      Speaking in parliament, the newly-made chairman of the National Bank Valeria Gontareva stated: since the beginning of the year, prices have already increased by 10%, while over the past year they have increased by 0,5%. Until the end of the year there will be several more waves of price increases. The National Bank predicts inflation at 20%. This is the highest figure since 2008. Since the beginning of this year, prices in the country have increased by 10,5%, the 2014 State Budget is based on an inflation forecast of 14%.
      The Freedom Minister of Agrarian Policy Schweika “pleased” with the message that in the three months of the new government, Ukrainian farmers lost a third of the Russian market. And Russia plans to introduce a number of new restrictions on Ukrainian food products. This is the fee for the pompously signed Agreement with the EU.
      In turn, the Minister of Energy, Prodan, said that the gas reserves available in Ukraine would be enough only until the end of the year, and that, subject to the most austerity regime. Given the parliament’s failed version of Yatsenyuk’s plan to introduce a state of emergency in the energy sector, the Arctic fox will sneak up much earlier. No wonder the prime minister hysterically shouted to the deputies that the country would sit without gas. And this is true, given the fact that the gas stolen from Russia will end in a few months. So the industry will "become" in any way. Though with an emergency, even without it. And these are hundreds of thousands of lost jobs.
      It is not surprising that this summer most Ukrainians have no time to rest in resorts. And the matter is not only in political instability and war. In the conditions of the coming crisis, “non-core” expenses are sent to a long box. Until better times. This situation was not slow to affect the corresponding segment of the business. While the patriotic public is worried about the problems of the “occupation of Crimea,” about the fullness of the beaches of Sudak and Alushta, no one is going to mainland Ukraine, and the hotels are empty.
      The beginning of the season was marked by a total decrease in demand for travel agency services. “This is the worst tourist season in 13 years. Even the crisis of 2008-2009 was not so powerful compared to the current one. The tourism industry suffered a double blow, first political, then economic. The hotels are empty, transporters without loading, tour operators leaving without loading, ”says Alexander Novikovsky, president of the Association of Leaders of Tourism in Ukraine. In general, according to experts, the tourism industry in Ukraine has lost 80% of its potential.
      Given the general bleak prospect for the country, the problems of tour operators are not the worst that awaits us.
      In these conditions, deputies from the ruling coalition behave on the principle “After us at least a flood”, foreseeing the imminent Maidan 3.0 and hoping to steal as much as possible from the treasury. for the army at the expense of the treasury of warm tents, stove-bourgeois stoves and ammunition for ... the winter war in the Donbass.

      Pretty prospects, however ....
  33. CONTROL
    CONTROL 8 July 2014 08: 41
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    palavina - sugar, palavina - honey ... more precisely, tar!
    the article is exactly half-hearted: - Westerners in Poland do not want to enter the state (this is an obligation!), and Polish toilets can be washed even as a Ukrainian.
    he wants the southeast to Russia only now, when there is a war, and so - "... I eat tomatoes, but I don’t ..."), this is also a commitment ...
    the center only wants to stiffen more and tick (running on the spot).
    and it has always been! ukraine has never felt like a single country, even in the historical past, and the attitude of the authorities to the country and the people is the same - temporary workers, "tick and tick" ... the Verkhovna Rada is a bunch of Nazis, or what? and who selected them? there are no opponents of the junta at all - in a simple way, the opposition! Is this like-mindedness, or what? Or were they all driven out? or - which is much more likely - everyone "repainted" instantly, their money is closer to the pocket ...
    but the topic is that the war in Ukraine is a big problem, and not only and not so much Russia, one cannot but agree! fascism returned, and Europe already understood this perfectly - the Germans were the first (Chuyka had not forgotten yet ...), and fascism is the war of everyone with everyone (remember Chile, otherwise fairy tales sing to us about the economic recovery with Auguste Pinch! still so far have not risen ...)
    well, and so on - divide everything into two ...
  34. kay4yk
    kay4yk 8 July 2014 08: 48
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    conclusion: West and East will kill each other until they wonder: why do we need this?
  35. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 8 July 2014 08: 50
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    As if this statehood had once been! So...
  36. kowalski
    kowalski 8 July 2014 09: 16
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    Ukraine: Arctic fox sneaks up much earlier
    It feels like the Arctic fox is no longer sneaking up! He strays into huge flocks and rushes all over the "Square" ...
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 8 July 2014 09: 49
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      does not go astray. Swells with hunger! And when it swells completely, it will be "boommmmm".
  37. 70BSN
    70BSN 8 July 2014 09: 30
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    I will wash the globe of the earth!
    Who is for the world, come with me! [/ Quote]

    hi Good Verse, you can be in the book,
    for others it’s like a lesson .... soldier
  38. Deff
    Deff 8 July 2014 10: 23
    +1
    Actually, the border line may be the only practical result of military actions. That is why the refusal of the Kiev regime to recognize the independence of the DPR and the LPR (and initially even their autonomy) is a strategic stupidity, since during the fighting the border may significantly shift to the West. Even much west of Kiev.

    I don’t think that as soon as the first successes of the militia appear, in the direction of only the possibility of moving to the West, the United States will not immediately impose sanctions and calls on us to immediately sit at the negotiating table, knowing these Psuco-Saka impostors. (Of course, Putin can go to the hospital with a back injury like Tymoshenko, for example, after a sambo training, for a couple of days ... Let these couple of days express sympathy, well, concern ...
  39. yur58
    yur58 8 July 2014 10: 46
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    Why does Russia need territories destroyed by war? Invest big money to rebuild the infrastructure of cities, villages, industry? And still, after that, to be an enemy in the eyes of a significant part of the population, and the rest - simply "not an enemy." For 20 years (and $ 5 billion invested by amers), a whole generation of ukrov has become not a "brotherly people", but a population not accustomed to working, looking with hatred at Russia, which should simultaneously provide them for free to everyone and buy their worthless goods (not refers to the defense industry created under the USSR). How many peoples has Russia helped in its history? How many did you save from death? And where are they now? With very rare exceptions, they strive to bite, insert sticks into the wheels, make shit wherever possible (and where it is not possible either). Latest egregious example - Bulgaria with South Stream
    1. victorrat
      victorrat 8 July 2014 13: 32
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      YOU mister good where will you be With Geyropa? Our lands are Russian and raise. NOT used to it. And our Donbass will bloom better than before. And there will be a normal life there. Ie peaceful. The Russian bureaucracy is another question, so there are free elections for this without liberals, whose photos flaunt on the toilet floor at the Kiev Station in Moscow!
  40. Captain45
    Captain45 8 July 2014 13: 21
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    Quote: "There is one more thing. The Ukrainian territory is not the sphere of interests of only one state, its population is oriented towards different external forces. If Novorossia is not at all opposed to reunification with Russia, and Galicia and Volynia are completely satisfied with integration into the EU by joining Poland, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, the center (Kiev) is still experiencing a complex of sovereignty that raises it to the level of world capitals (at least in its own eyes). Moreover, the boundaries of potential spheres of interests of external players, along which it would theoretically be possible to draw a demarcation line do not coincide with the regional foreign policy preferences of the Ukrainian population proper. "
    But even at the beginning of April, V.V. Zhirinovsky spoke on the topic that let's give in Ukraine whoever needs what they need in a historical perspective, so to speak. Volhynia, Galicia-Poland, Hungary, there was another article on this topic on VO, everyone was neighing as always, but "that's it, Mikhalych!" as the same zapadentsam old-new owners of property will say: "Lick, chobot. I'm a pan!" And they will lick, swallowing snot and dreary memories of the Great and Mighty Soviet Union in which they lived like people. But as the saying goes: "A thief is right and torment!"
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 8 July 2014 17: 58
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      Quote: Captain45
      By joining the EU, Ukrainians are signing up for restitution, and now there will be a joke, as the same zapadentsam old-new owners of property will say: "Lick, chobot.

      If before that the Serpent Romanians had already been squeezed out, now what sabbath will begin.
      Expanse for scams.
      drinks
  41. Performance
    Performance 8 July 2014 13: 45
    +1
    The project "Ukraine" must be closed, investors must return their investment! Crimea is already in its place!