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Slavyansk. Die but not now…

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Slavyansk. Die but not now…Judging by the recent events on the southeastern front, namely, the withdrawal of the Slavic garrison to Kramatorsk and later to Donetsk, all pocket bloggers of Surkov are given an installation to accuse Strelkov of fleeing Slavyansk.

Even an emergency procedure from a distant closet got Kurginyan, shook off his mold and sent him to preach under the walls of Donetsk with a sermon. And judging by his speech, while the biggest claim to Strelkov is that he, with his garrison and most of the civilians of Slavyansk, did not die for Kurginyan ...

Kremlin journalists have a command claim on Strelkov and the militia that they have survived.

It is right for me, until the colic, it is ridiculous to listen to the accusations of cowardice Strelkov from those who have not served a day in the army and do not understand nicherta in tactics, strategy and operational art.

Therefore, for those who are on an armored train, I explain on the fingers.

In any war there is such a thing as tactics, strategy and operational art. These things define the very essence of the war, that is, the battles of the troops ...

If the critics of Strelkov accidentally find on the Internet the lieutenant’s reference book of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation called the Ground Forces Combat Regulations or any similar book on which West Point Academy students learn the basics of democratization of the indigenous peoples of Africa, then they might be lucky to find out that every military unit from state and public-political affiliation has such a chip, both combat effectiveness and combat capabilities.

These chips describe such unnecessary parameters as areas of the terrain on which military units can perform their tasks on the offensive, in defense and on the march. They talk about the possibility of inflicting fire damage to the enemy, depending on the types in service weapons. They show how many days and with which ammunition units can perform their tasks. And a lot of interesting things, which the ordinary sofa warrior does not need to know ...

So, in terms of tactics, strategy and military art, the battle for Slavyansk was lost. Yes it is!!! And to leave the garrison there for the slaughter, only so that the sofa patriots could beat themselves with a heel in the chest crying about the mythical “Stalingrad”, it was at least silly and wrong. There was neither “Stalingrad” nor “Leningrad” in Slavyansk, exactly as there was no life in the surrounded Slavyansk and did not stand under the Kramatorsk army of Chuikov and Tolbukhin.

After the punitive Kiev junta, using the factor of the mythical truce, significantly increased the combat capabilities and increased the combat effectiveness of its troops standing around Slavyansk, that is, they exceeded the similar parameters of the defensive forces under the command of Strelkov, the further fate of the defensive garrison was sealed and their final defeat was a matter of time. Soldiers armed with machine guns have no chance in confrontation with multiple rocket launchers and this is not a matter of policy, this is a matter of elementary calculation!

And in light of the fact that despite the promises of individual politicians, the second front was never opened, the further standing of Strelkov in Slavyansk would have led to the complete defeat of the Slavic garrison and, as a result, exposed a whole section of the front, which the Kiev punishers had to take advantage of.

The withdrawal of the Slavic garrison through Kramatorsk to Donetsk allowed Strelkov not only to bring combat-ready units to new, previously prepared lines of defense, but also to exhaust the enemy in a substantial way, due to the need to regroup forces and means and combat the DRG.

The positional retreat of Strelkov from Slavyansk means that the Kiev punishers will have to re-conduct reconnaissance of the defense of Novorossia, determine its weak areas, will necessitate the creation of new positional areas of attack, redeployment of rear units, and so on ...

Military machine Kiev punitive, she know is not so agile ...

All this is precious time, which Moscow politicians, I hope, use correctly to understand their place in stories Russian state.

And sofa coups, Surkov’s bloggers and old moldy whoopers, screaming about why Strelkov turned Slavyansk, today completely repeat what Zhukov said at headquarters, when he declared the need to leave Kiev.

And as we remember, after the surrender of Kiev, was Berlin ...
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  2. KIRON
    KIRON 7 July 2014 06: 27
    +24
    Everything is on the shelves. Disputes are superfluous. Strelkov kept his people. He left the DRG, which are quite effective. He united the groups of militias. Under Donetsk, a mess will soon go sick. Unfortunately, the laity will die again ...
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 7 July 2014 06: 52
      +9
      Strelkov won a moral victory. He saved people and equipment for the subsequent struggle. Like Borodin and Napoleon, and then there was Paris.
    2. Predator
      Predator 7 July 2014 08: 21
      +5
      And what kind of accusations can be? Time to get out of the encirclement is an art. Personnel is more important than a settlement, which is stupid to keep at the cost of the death of the unit. Now, by joining together, the density of defense will also increase, and along the path of dill the RDG will work fine, and the same in the rear. Kiev is waiting good fun.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 7 July 2014 10: 53
        +4
        Honestly, I have never seen the point of sitting the Minister of Defense with the most combat-ready units of the DPR in the surrounded city. Strelkov did what had to be done 2 weeks ago — to come to Donetsk and restore order, as well as to unite the disparate parts of the militia. After all, two-thirds of the militia almost did not participate in the battles. I didn’t believe in Strelkov too much, as in the Minister of Defense, but the fact that he made a competent breakthrough of hundreds of militias from the encircled city and began to operate in Donetsk and Gorlovka shows that he has a good strategic sense. Moreover, to ensure a complete blockade of information about breakthrough plans from both enemies and their own, and supposedly their own - this is strong. Akhmetov’s sixes in Donetsk learned about a breakthrough when the Strelkovites were already approaching Donetsk. In general, I repent, greatly underestimated him. I hope that even now headquarters and logistical support will be created and the operations already developed will begin. Only I don’t understand one thing, at least kill if all combat-ready units are in the Donbass, then why not start raids in the Kherson region, Zaporozhye, near Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa. In this case, dill will have to remove parts from the front and send them there. This is all passed in World War II. In the end, the blown up bridge near Kiev or the shelling of cops near Zhytomyr will make the piglets panic and can have a much stronger effect on the population, since for 70 percent of Ukrainians the war is somewhere far away, where some incomprehensible terrorists are being wetted.
  3. snifer
    snifer 7 July 2014 06: 29
    +4
    And they call us
    And they call us
    And here they call us
    Our special department
    Tell me why you ...
    Tell me why you ...
    Tell me why you
    Did you burn out with the tank?

    Lubo brothers love, love brothers live!
    In the tank brigade does not have to push

    You forgive me
    You forgive me
    You forgive me -
    I tell them that
    In the next attack
    In the next attack
    In the next attack
    Be sure to burn.
    civil defense
    something I have nothing to say to my head this song and wonder what is happening ???
    1. ispaniard
      ispaniard 7 July 2014 08: 25
      +6
      I was waiting for such an article and thank God they wrote it! ABSOLUTELY agree with the author, Strelkov won a victory in Slavyansk making it the modern Thermopylae. His garrison ball those 300 Spartans who: 1) Restrained the hordes of the junta by bleeding them ("Landing" many Banderlets in particular) 2) Got time for the LPR, DPR (Referendum) the state device. structures, the formation of the army of Novorossiya 3) Baptism in battle, if not thousands, then hundreds of militias passed through Slavyansk 4) The moment has come for Strelkov with his indisputable (Thanks to his
      1. Pancho
        Pancho 7 July 2014 23: 33
        0
        Guys, what about the inhabitants of these settlements? Where are they and how to live? They found themselves in a very difficult situation, who will restore it all now? I don’t know the answer. And I want the Ukrov warriors to disappear, and I feel sorry for ordinary people. I've been working all my life, enough for bread, and even and smeared with oil, but never accumulated wealth. Can't imagine what I would do in such circumstances? Maybe they’ll throw minuses to me now, but what will change?
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  4. olf_1959
    olf_1959 7 July 2014 06: 29
    +12
    The shooter will bury Parashu, so don’t scream.
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    2. ispaniard
      ispaniard 7 July 2014 08: 44
      +3
      I was waiting for such an article and thank God they wrote it! ABSOLUTELY agree with the author, Strelkov won a victory in Slavyansk making it the modern Thermopylae. His garrison was those 300 Spartans who: 1) Restrained the hordes of the junta by bleeding them ("Landing" many Banderlets in particular) 2) Gained time for the LPR, DPR (Referendum) state structure. structures, the formation of the army of Novorossia 3) They gave the opportunity to go through baptism in battle through Slavyansk, if not thousands, then hundreds of militias 4) The moment has come for Strelkov with his indisputable (Thanks to his actions) authority to unite all field commanders under a single command, so that the story with the "Demon" does not repeat itself "... 5) As stated in the article," 300 Strelkovites "left Slavyansk at that moment, only when there was no point in waiting for help ... 6) A gigantic number of about 95% of the defenders left, including the odious survivors:" Motorola "," Babay "and even Ponomarev and at the same time with heavy equipment (Avakov dr-chi and further on his Facebook ...) 7) A symbol of resistance was created, which can now be equal - Slavyansk held out for 3 months ... (If gives a historical analogy that this is not Stalingrad, this is SEVASTOPOL!) 8) We saved the city from full multiplication by 0 ... But this would have happened given the unscrupulousness of the Bandera-Artillery ... PS I am very pleased with this development of events, as a historian and a loving / somewhat understanding person in the strategy and tactics of war agree with the regrouping of the militia forces and their consolidation in Donetsk. Many are used to comparing the "300 Spartans" with the "300 Strelkovites". And imagine if Tsar Leonidas had survived there in Thermopylae? And already covered with glory, he returned and led the entire Greek army to fight the Persian army. What do you think people would follow him and he would be able to win the whole war? Personally, I think yes.
  5. Echo
    Echo 7 July 2014 06: 30
    +19
    They would have taken this Kurginyan in Donetsk, and sent him to dig trenches to shoot from a horse while standing. That would be right.
  6. SAHALIN
    SAHALIN 7 July 2014 06: 32
    +3
    Help first, and then you will judge !!!!!!!!!!!! Igor Ivanovich is a real man, he will still say his weighty "word", without any notes of protest, like some !!!!!!!!!!
  7. Docklishin
    Docklishin 7 July 2014 06: 34
    +1
    Yes, everyone understands everything. I just feel sorry for the people who remained in Slavyansk. It’s interesting, if dill violates all conceivable international norms, then why at least we can’t transfer the equipment from the "Crimea" to the militias in transit through the Rostov region. Ps was yesterday unpleasantly surprised by visiting the Ukrainian search engine Yandex ... I never thought that at this level there would be 2 standards in the submission of information.
  8. KIRON
    KIRON 7 July 2014 06: 35
    0
    But Kurginyan was not there, unfortunately! Maybe Shooter will give him the honor to dig trenches?
    1. Dejavu
      Dejavu 7 July 2014 08: 27
      +2
      This down apparently did not hear about such a fantastic engineering invention as a movable bridge. /hand face
    2. doxtop
      doxtop 7 July 2014 11: 39
      0
      It’s bad to be a sane person in a country full of idiots! )))
      Eh! COMMODITY Risch would first need to learn the materiel. Any more or less well-provided engineering company will overcome the "Great Ukrainian Wall" mentioned by him in half an hour.
  9. Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 7 July 2014 06: 36
    +4
    Quote: Echo
    They would have taken this Kurginyan in Donetsk, and sent him to dig trenches to shoot from a horse while standing. That would be right.


    ..... whoever sends it, only a mongrel-prostitute can blah blah blak out of his hawalnik, this rag is here for their Khazyayevs, someone was interested in (checking) the reaction of the RUSSIANS and Russians on the subject of Understanding the Situation, the degree of ACCEPTANCE.
    ..... A NORMAL MAN will not say this !, ONLY a thin-minded, slave for candy wrappers being sold.
  10. michurinec
    michurinec 7 July 2014 06: 42
    +5
    A little off topic. Europe wakes up
    1. KIRON
      KIRON 7 July 2014 07: 00
      +3
      Why, not the topic. Very much! hi
    2. 70BSN
      70BSN 7 July 2014 07: 45
      +4
      AND SO ACCORDING TO SILENT ACTIVISTS in Germany, France, then :::: EUROPE REVEALED OR did you all bend down and think in one place ????? !!!!
  11. Same lech
    Same lech 7 July 2014 06: 45
    +4
    All this is a precious time that Moscow politicians, I hope, use correctly to comprehend their place in the history of the Russian state.



    I don’t trust Moscow politicians in anything .....
    In the future, Strelkov will have to rely only on his own strength and minimal assistance from RUSSIA.

    Now, as always, Ukrainians will begin to engage in shelling of settlements and cleaning up occupied territories.

    I can wish Strelkov good luck and beat the army of ukrov in SUVOROVSKY.
  12. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 7 July 2014 06: 46
    +4
    Well done, that he escaped and brought people out! Affairs is still not an edge!
  13. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 7 July 2014 06: 47
    +18
    Whoever studied military science in the slightest degree, not in the school lessons of the CWP, but in a normal military educational institution, will soberly assess the abandonment of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. The operation was carried out brilliantly, the most combat-ready units were withdrawn, the punishers suffered significant damage and, as a result, the defense of Donetsk and Lugansk was strengthened. But I would like to remind the klikusha and all-pro-Russian people why they don’t shout at the President’s advisers for the fact that there is no adequate answer to the national gadas shelling our territory (at least they took Israel as an example)! The abandonment of Slavyansk does not mean the fall of the whole of Novorossiya, but only a very correct military decision with far-reaching consequences. MI Kutuzov surrendered Moscow, but saved Russia, and Strelkov is a very talented student of his! But it’s time for our advisers to provide Novorossia with real help. Taking into account the 20 F-18s promised by Canada, allocate air defense systems to save the population of Donetsk and Lugansk. small, medium and high heights. And stop throwing mud at the heroes of Slavyansk and do not forget the old proverb: "Do not throw mud at a person, it may not reach him, but you will have it on your hands!"
    1. DPZ
      DPZ 7 July 2014 08: 00
      +3
      Anyone who has studied military affairs in the slightest degree, not at the school classes of NVP, but in a normal military educational institution, will soberly appreciate the abandonment of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
      I’m a woman who doesn’t understand how the strategy differs from tactics, and I didn’t understand why the troops did not unite under one boss, and why they kept Slavyansk, because he was sticking out straight from the line of cities with militias like a wart! explained this only by what they keep because of peaceful people, so that they do not pokotsali. so that only a complete stupid person can not understand the rationality of this step.
  14. nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 7 July 2014 06: 47
    +1
    The article "Colonel Strelkov versus Colonel Putin" was deleted .. On the one hand, when it sounded in it that Russia is always a traitor, this is correct, but on the other hand it makes it great to think about the time to be determined in terms of GDP, to support or not, after all, those who write such a b.y.k. influence so effectively the patriotic sentiments of our society. And if the alarmists, of which there are many, do not decide, then McFaul will come to us on horseback.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 7 July 2014 07: 17
      +5
      Well, my friend, do not confuse the "gift of God" with scrambled eggs, Russia and its people have never been traitors, but this applies to some "rulers" by hook or by crook who became its head. After all, it was not the people who betrayed Yugoslavia, betrayed Iraq, etc. ... etc.! I believe that the time has passed when the US ambassador insolently commanded the "Kremlin figures" (remember how the Americans "savored" the shooting of our White House). Well, nothing is far off the hour when we admire the shooting of their White House together with its black master !
      1. nahalenok911
        nahalenok911 7 July 2014 08: 51
        +1
        Russia and its people have never been traitors, but this applies completely to some "rulers" by hook or by crook.

        It’s like you’re saying everything correctly, but somehow with a subtext ... as if the current ruler of the Russian Federation had already betrayed.
    2. AndreyS
      AndreyS 7 July 2014 08: 27
      +1
      Quote: nahalenok911
      On the one hand, when it sounded that Russia is always a traitor, that’s right,

      In the light of this quote I want to say only one thing - PEOPLE SEE A LITTLE BEYOND YOUR NOSE! Anyone who blames their president needs to think, but are they ready for the war to enter their own home ?! Are they ready to spend money financially ?! And are they so sure that the Americans will not deliver a preventive nuclear strike against Russia in connection with its aggression in Ukraine ???????? !!!!!!!!
      Are you all ready to fight ?! Are your families ready for this ?!
      I advise you to try to voice your favorite thesis that you are going (at least) to retrain in the army for three months and there is no way to get out! (and this is not for war)
      And you are millions in Russia! I agree that politics in the near abroad is pro-on by our wonderful politicians, but who did we see in politics until some time ago? Fifth column ?!
      1. nahalenok911
        nahalenok911 7 July 2014 08: 43
        +1
        Dear, what you cited as my quote is taken out of context! It is not good.
        Any people of any country, if they love their homeland and do not betray their Faith, should be ready for war at any time. Like any normal person, I do not want war. And who wanted her in 1941 ?! And who of the common people prepared for her?
        And besides, I wrote the previous post that we should be alert not only in anticipation of war, but also in resistance to our fooling.
        Among the people sow panic. And panic is a very scary thing, it primarily disables the mind and the instinct of self-preservation.
  15. gameover_65
    gameover_65 7 July 2014 06: 49
    +6
    since the Kurginians are in Donetsk, the shooter, this old zh.i.d.o. Armenian hysteria, must also be found according to the laws of war, sent to forced labor, dig trenches, collect corpses and the remains of people so that they can use less language. at least some benefit would be, since I arrived in Donetsk
  16. KLIM
    KLIM 7 July 2014 06: 50
    +3
    Not visiting Slavyansk during the period of hostilities, has no moral right to condemn the militia. And Kurginyan, a thrill-seeker, either raises his rating by supporting resistance, or lowers himself below the baseboard.
  17. dima79
    dima79 7 July 2014 06: 51
    -16
    Yes, Strelkova is banging, all the same, as they say, he knows too much. How many generals who fought in Chechnya survived?
    1. sv68
      sv68 7 July 2014 07: 45
      +3
      Dima 79-don’t you bang for an hour?
  18. dima79
    dima79 7 July 2014 06: 54
    -6
    In general, they all play their roles, their Strelkov, their own Kurginyan. Well, we are fighting for New Russia.
    1. sv68
      sv68 7 July 2014 07: 48
      +1
      Dima 79-so you fight against the adversary with your provocative relics? It’s a pity that you can’t put more than one minus — you earned a hundred
  19. jovanni
    jovanni 7 July 2014 06: 54
    +2
    Somehow I thought of Kurganian better ... Wow! Critic, damn it. It would seem that if you are such a cool strategist, what is easier: buy the weapon you can and break through to Slavyansk. Stand there to the last drop of blood. But no, in Donetsk it will be safer to spray with saliva ...
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 7 July 2014 08: 51
      0
      And you did not draw on the photo next to him something like a "Saiga" roofing felts, or some kind of pneumatic! In a word: "Malbrook is going on a hike ... (further on the test it seems crap)"! Hey there, stop singing the favorite song of Vasily Ivanovich and General Ivolgin with Kuzmich: "Black crow, what are you curling up, etc. in the sense of what the hell will you achieve (unless you hare)!
  20. Mahmut
    Mahmut 7 July 2014 06: 57
    +5
    "And the couch warriors, Surkov bloggers and old moldy whoopers screaming why Strelkov surrendered Slavyansk, today completely repeat what they told Zhukov at headquarters when he announced the need to leave Kiev."

    Strange, but not a single attack that accused Strelkov of cowardice in the internet or on TV I have not seen. Probably Kremlin journalism has gone deep underground, or the author himself loves to heroically smash the monsters he invented.
    As for the phrase of Zhukov, who proposed to Stalin to surrender Kiev in early August, it exists only in his printed "memoirs" and feature films. In fact, this is not confirmed not only by the transcripts of the meetings, but also by the journal of Stalin's visit. But it turned out that a similar proposal was from Budyonny, but already in the fall. So belletristic historians did not go far from sofa strategists.
    1. The point
      The point 7 July 2014 07: 38
      +1
      A very reasoned answer. You are a plus from a like-minded person.
  21. shishakova
    shishakova 7 July 2014 07: 02
    +2
    Thanks to the author! Even a woman understands that Strelkov is a wise commander. In Slavyansk, he was able to strengthen his Army both militarily and in armament. There is no doubt that the surrender of Slavyansk is the beginning of Strelkov’s victory!
  22. Kubatai
    Kubatai 7 July 2014 07: 03
    +2
    Strelkov did the right thing ... ukram shook his nerves and withdrew when the point of defending Slavyansk was completely lost ..
    To aggravate the whole situation as a whole:
    On the one hand, Putin said "A" - we will defend the Russians in the south-east. Ukraine - what in fact has not been done and whether that question will still be done (remember the Chechen times, when the Chechens learned about the plans of military operations before our military) .. even if they did as the Americans did in Syria (they supplied weapons, mercenaries - all the same we are in this accused)
    On the other hand, there are only about 15 thousand militias in the DPR and LPR (and this is 10 million), there are not enough weapons, and there were military units, police, warehouses, etc. on their territory. moreover, in Donetsk itself it turns out that militias do not control many critical objects (belong to Akhmetov, there are people of the same comrade who is not known for whom) ..
    In general, I don’t understand why the May referendum was needed? or dropped a piece of paper about the department and that's it. Hooray! You can go on working to Kiev further, and let the Russian Vanka brother fight for us .. it's just (no words) .. part of ukrov let Vanka pay for our cool future in the EU, other we are independent (and let others fight) ..
    1. snifer
      snifer 7 July 2014 07: 19
      +4
      respected 15 thousand out of 7 million, but this is the backbone which the 45 thousandth dill army with all its weapons cannot take, the Militia fulfilled its mission and fulfilled it brilliantly. How did it all begin? Yes, because people do not just do not want to live with the Nazis, they understand that they will be destroyed in any case, simply because they are RUSSIAN attention. And they do not want their children and wives to be robbed and raped and burned. Now imagine if there were no dill tanks and artillery, with aviation, where there was now a 45 thousandth Ukrainian army. why was such a situation near Slavyansk allowed if this was asked not from Strelkov. On the other hand, it’s really time for Strelkov to restore order to the DPR.
      1. Kubatai
        Kubatai 7 July 2014 07: 48
        0
        And I don’t argue with you ... I’m talking about that Strelkov was busy at one point, and in fact nothing was done in the DPR ... you must agree that for 3 months it was possible to better control your territory (repel military and police depots ), somehow establish a command (otherwise Strelkov seems to be the commander of the DPR, but coordination is not visible at all), 15 thousand is the backbone, you can say the heroes, but this is not enough .. you need to understand that if you are for independence, you must defend it but don’t rely on someone .. a vivid example to you is Mariupol .. how many militias were there? A few dozens? and it's from the city to half a million!
        And I also wrote about working for Kiev for a reason ... Slavyansk was already bombarded for weeks 2 and only then decided not to transfer taxes to Kiev .. and this is the most striking example I give ... and when did the rest stop transferring taxes to Kiev? in May? when dozens have already died or hundreds? or in June, the rector sends students from Lugansk to Kharkov .. why? and last week in the center of Donetsk there is a police unit (sort of like near Akhmetoav now) does not obey the militia - is that how? and this is a small weapon, ammunition (you can equip comrades-in-arms), well, or people would also stand under arms ...
        I understand everything about geopolitics and about the "Russian world", BUT .. if they kill you, take a gun and defend yours!
        1. snifer
          snifer 7 July 2014 08: 04
          0
          yes, these miscalculations really were not small, there are reports of moles in the DPR. As for the inertia of the population, I think that Ukrainians are the majority and they will live quietly and work under any government and certainly will not pick up weapons (it’s like most miners) even if the Russian army takes all of Ukraine, but look at what Heroes Novorossia gave. The soldiers who covered the military’s withdrawal ensuring a successful withdrawal of the militia died but completed the task! and I don’t argue with you, respectfully, just expressed his vision of this situation hi
    2. AndreyS
      AndreyS 7 July 2014 08: 39
      0
      Quote: Kubatai
      Strelkov did the right thing ... ukram shook his nerves and withdrew when the point of defending Slavyansk was completely lost ..

      And they gave us the opportunity to gain strength and build muscle, pulling on ourselves quite large forces of the enemy. And just as it’s not cruel, they simply forced ukrovoyak, together with amers, to commit war crimes!
  23. snifer
    snifer 7 July 2014 07: 05
    +1
    And here is the text of Edik Bagirov, to whom soon the riflemen will also answer:

    Returning to Girkin, which is Strelkov. Until recently, I had a restrained attitude towards him, speaking restrainedly. He has a position, it is completely outlined, and he is ready to die for it; or, more precisely, to put any number of any people - soldiers of the caricature army of Ukraine, their subordinates, and just civilians: he obviously does not care who to put for this position. But I am a confidant of Putin, not Girkin. And I will never be positive about a person who is trying to substitute Putin with outright provocations or provocative statements. In general, this rudeness wildly infuriates me. Girkin is fighting there not for Russia, but for himself. Or for the DNI, or for the Liberal Democratic Party, or hell still knows - for what, but not for Russia. And for me, Russia is more important than Donbass: I generally believe that Donbass is not our Russian Crimea, and Russia, in any case, doesn’t need horseradish, and we definitely do not have to fight there. What is there to fight, explain to me? Why put our soldiers? For ambition, excuse me, Girkin? The borders are always open for Ukrainian Russians - come to your health, almost entire government programs are already in place to help refugees from there, and without any programs we will always help our own. But Girkin does not seem to be his own. Russia has a leader, he is the Supreme Commander-in-Chief: this is President Vladimir Putin. And no Girkin dares to point him out or provoke him to solve his small-town problems. Russia is larger than the Donbass and much more important, and for all, without exception, Russians. Therefore, Girkin either follows the recommendations from Moscow, or pretty soon shares the fate of Sasha Muzychko: the Kiev junta will destroy him like a flea, she won’t even have time to blather. And no one will even regret it. In the history of such precedents, there are many.
    what kind of cockerel blathers towards Strelkova ??
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 July 2014 07: 36
      +2
      Girkin is fighting there not for Russia, but for himself.

      Girkin is fighting against Fascists !!! This is what is unpleasant for "some" to realize. Someone makes fun, and someone shakes hands with fascists !!! am
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 7 July 2014 07: 37
      +1
      Quote: snifer
      And here is the text of Edik Bagirov, to whom soon the riflemen will also answer:

      Yes, why repeat the moronic text of the moron and the provocateur Bagirov? People, piss on him, he crap!
      1. snifer
        snifer 7 July 2014 08: 05
        0
        but for what is interesting to know what kind of a clown is and why this reptile opens his mouth and says that he is Putin's confidant ??
    3. innoker-1563
      innoker-1563 7 July 2014 07: 38
      0
      Do not mix concepts, and do not compare the freak Muzychko with Girkin.
  24. Leader
    Leader 7 July 2014 07: 10
    +4
    We will help Strelkov and further than anyone can - even with finances, for example.
    Strelkov and his guys should know that the Russian people are by 90% on their side!
    The Russian people and the Russian leadership are different definitions!
    But Kremlin political scientists and other political prostitutes - let them burn in hell!
  25. KC4E
    KC4E 7 July 2014 07: 12
    0
    "" The instruction was given to accuse Strelkov of fleeing from Slavyansk. "" "The Kremlin journalists have a command claim to Strelkov and the militias that they survived."
    Is this really so? Someone in Russia "runs into" Strelkov? Guys, enlighten me, I think I missed something.
    1. saag
      saag 7 July 2014 08: 39
      +1
      Quote: KC 4
      Is this really so? Someone in Russia "runs into" Strelkov? Guys, enlighten me, I think I missed something.

      Since in Russia the vertical of power is logical to look at the very top
  26. mig31
    mig31 7 July 2014 07: 16
    +1
    Without strategy in war there is nothing to do, Zhukov knows better ....
  27. Alexander I
    Alexander I 7 July 2014 07: 16
    +1
    Anyone who wants to blame Strelkov is the servant of Abam and Poroshenko. If they are such patriots, then let them take weapons and stand to death. Then you will have the right to say something. Until you stand and his little finger and his guys.
  28. Roust
    Roust 7 July 2014 07: 20
    +2
    Shooter - REAL BATTLE AND LITERARY OFFICER, HERO! Guys who are fighting there now, you have nothing and do not need to make excuses! And couch strategists, water kurginyan screaming about a tactical retreat from Slavyansk and Kramatorsk - in p ... Damn, I do not want to swear ... Good luck, HEROES - SLAVES !!! STAY ALIVE !!!
  29. Nayhas
    Nayhas 7 July 2014 07: 22
    -9
    Exit from Slavyansk, of course, will now be considered almost a "genius" move by Strelkov ... But if you look at it, it was an ordinary escape with the loss of all heavy equipment and ammunition depots.
    According to Strelkov, some of his units delivered a diversionary blow and were destroyed, while he supposedly was free to leave. Photos and videos of the defeat of that "unknown" unit are already on the network. How many died there is unclear, but it looks like a lot. In the photo there are two BMP-2 hulls, the remains of a BMP-2 torn to shreds and a turret from the tank, next to its engine, the tank was also blown to shreds.


    Pay attention to the chain of funnels on the road.

    Official sources say about ten armored vehicles trying to escape from Slavyansk. They say they were all destroyed. It can be seen from the photo that the vehicles were moving in a column and were ambushed. Anti-tank mines were pulled onto the road, on which armored vehicles were blown up, then they were shot from grenade launchers. So Strelkov is lying. It was not an attack, but an attempt to exit which Strelkov covered himself by leaving the other road in civilian cars with civilians. According to the official authorities, they left "through the 6th checkpoint" (the checkpoint was next to the road and was supposed to prevent attempts to escape along the road with fire), which did not open fire due to the presence of civilians in the convoy. Strelkov himself casually mentioned that there were civilians in the convoy, saying that the relatives of the militiamen left with them.
    Captured either by the Marktantes (they were called snipers in the press, but that’s understandable why ...), or by the wives of the militias, one of whom specifically accused Strelkov of the camera that he set them up.

    That's all the "genius" ...
    1. innoker-1563
      innoker-1563 7 July 2014 07: 42
      +1
      And where are the facts and evidence of your conclusions and photos?
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 7 July 2014 09: 00
        +1
        And the "Cossack" seems to have been sent, somewhere I have already seen this footage (and most importantly, both promptly and on time), but I also remember Strelkov's statement about the creation of mine-explosive obstacles against the army of the national gadov! (This is even before the breakthrough of the troops from Slavyansk). Good gentleman, as prof. Preobrazhensky from "Heart of a Dog": "... read and watch less UkroSMI, you will be healthier, in the sense of mentally"!
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 7 July 2014 09: 25
        -1
        Quote: innoker-1563
        And where are the facts and evidence of your conclusions and photos?

        Please.
        http://inforesist.org/doroga-smerti-unichtozhennaya-bronegruppa-terroristov-foto
        /
        http://glavnoe.ua/galleries/g586/p1
        http://topwar.ru/53603-svodki-ot-strelkova-igorya-ivanovicha-5-6-iyulya-2014-god
        a.html
    2. tank64rus
      tank64rus 7 July 2014 07: 49
      +2
      Data from ukrosayta. In general, as I. Stalin said, there is no war without losses. And then there is propaganda. One question is I.I. Strelkov built his defense taking into account the fact that help would come from Russia and Donetsk. The last bridge linking Slavyansk with Russia was blown up three days ago. In general, “couch strategists” like Kurganian are tired of.
    3. ELECTRON
      ELECTRON 7 July 2014 07: 52
      0
      What smacks of th ... m that they are trying to pour on Strelkova. There is information that a large column arrived in Donetsk. And what about civilians? What role did they play in a group that was engaged in distracting maneuver ???
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 7 July 2014 08: 17
        -2
        Quote: ELECTRON
        And what about civilians? What role did they play in a group that was engaged in distracting maneuver ???

        Civilians were with Strelkov. See "Summaries from Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, July 5-6, 2014" on the same website:
        From 80% to 90% of the personnel and 90% of the weapons from the city managed to be removed. Families of servicemen and people sympathizing with the militia were evacuated, for whom it was mortally dangerous to stay in the city.
    4. fedorovith
      fedorovith 7 July 2014 08: 27
      +2
      It looks like the photo of the tank tower is not lying around for the first week ...
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 7 July 2014 09: 13
        -1
        Quote: fedorovith
        It looks like the photo of the tank tower is not lying around for the first week ...

        Yeah, from the second world ...
    5. AndreyS
      AndreyS 7 July 2014 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: Nayhas
      Pay attention to the chain of funnels on the road.

      You forgive me, of course, dear! But have you personally seen the undermining of an anti-tank mine on asphalt ?! And how do you even imagine the opportunity to dig an anti-tank mine into asphalt ?!
      And the people in the photo are more like militias than ukropovskih warriors. Something your photos smack of desuha!

      this is an anti-tank mine, how do you think it fits in those funnels, and after 7.5 kg of TNT are blown up, what funnel should be there ?! What an ambush, what land mines ?! Nonsense is complete.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 7 July 2014 10: 02
        0
        Quote: AndreyS
        You forgive me, of course, dear! But have you personally seen the undermining of an anti-tank mine on asphalt ?! And how do you even imagine the opportunity to dig an anti-tank mine into asphalt ?!
        And the people in the photo are more like militias than ukropovskih warriors. Something your photos smack of desuha!

        The photo is not laid out, follow the link, there is a detailed photo report.
        http://inforesist.org/doroga-smerti-unichtozhennaya-bronegruppa-terroristov-foto
        /
      2. The comment was deleted.
    6. iwakura
      iwakura 7 July 2014 12: 00
      +1
      minus. refer to ukroresurs and believe that they stopped "a large column of armored vehicles", "big losses from terrorists" who "covered themselves with children" (yeah, I read it there) do not respect myself
      In the photo you can see one burnt infantry fighting vehicle, one with broken tracks. in general, the grandmother in two said about the tank tower, in spraying the tank corps, and even with which the engine remains, I don’t believe

      most likely, it really was a breakthrough of the militia group, the one that remained on the cover. Also, the possibility of setting / juggling is not ruled out
  30. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 7 July 2014 07: 24
    +1
    To accuse II Strelkov, this "stern man with sadness in his eyes", is the height of meanness and shamelessness and is beneficial only to the enemies of the Russian people. You will recall all interviews with II. Riflemen, they are all permeated with pain and anger, such people never give up and do not give up anyone! Good luck to you, Minister of War of Novorossiya! And may our Lord protect you and your army!
  31. Bigriver
    Bigriver 7 July 2014 07: 36
    +4
    I don’t understand what to discuss here. negative
    The life of any group in a "pot" without external supplies is calculated in days. And Igor Ivanovich's brigade ended up, practically in a boiler, which while has not been squeezed around the perimeter. But the delivery of humanitarian aid and other "consumables" has already stopped at the end of last week.
    What would Kurginyan want? So that the militiamen who massively used up ammunition, fuel, water, food would make seppuk with bayonet-knives? Or surrendered?
    That would be a junta gift!
    Slavyansk on defense tasks similar to Smolensk - 1941.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 7 July 2014 07: 44
      -2
      Quote: BigRiver
      The life of any group in a "pot" without external supply is calculated in days

      And how will life in the Lugansk or Donetsk boiler be better? To retain the same Donetsk, a group of 10 thousand people is needed. Donetsk is a very large city, it is not Slavyansk, even Grozny, and was not nearby in size ... Let's say he picks up so much, where does he get ammunition for everyone? Consumption for one at least zinc per day. And 10 thousand zinc is five thousand cartridge boxes. Suppose fights are only 20 percent, but even then it is 1000 boxes. Where to get them? Throw stones?
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 7 July 2014 07: 50
        +2
        Quote: Nayhas
        ... And what life will be better in Lugansk or Donetsk cauldron? .. where will he get ammunition for everyone?

        1. And why did you decide that with the available outfit of ukrov forces these boilers are possible in the near-medium term?
        2. Time works for the militia and against the junta.
        3. Contrary to popular belief, I do not believe that the strength of the militia is the strength of large "partisan" battalions with riflemen. They need something else more: artillery, air defense and anti-tank systems.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 7 July 2014 08: 30
          -2
          Quote: BigRiver
          1. And why did you decide that with the available outfit of ukrov forces these boilers are possible in the near-medium term?

          The supply of ammunition in the required quantities is possible only by road, you can’t drag it on your hands, so it’s enough to block the roads coming from Donetsk, there’s definitely enough ATO forces to do this. The militias themselves shout about the total superiority of the enemy in numbers. Do you not believe them?
          Quote: BigRiver
          2. Time works for the militia and against the junta.

          And how? Just the opposite. Donetsk and Lugansk are turning into a big mess every day, where nothing works. Locals really do not like it. Is it worth mentioning that globally the militias in these cities do not have support?
          Quote: BigRiver
          3. Contrary to popular belief, I do not believe that the strength of the militia is the strength of large "partisan" battalions with riflemen. They need something else more: artillery, air defense and anti-tank systems.

          And where do they come from in a blocked city? The most consumable ammunition is cartridges, they are needed by thousands, where can I get them?
          There was recently a message from the militias "Summaries from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich July 5-6, 2014":
          They ask questions about ATGMs, which were demonstrated by dill in the Slavyansk occupied by them. They were expired, so they were not used and left during the retreat as garbage. All guided missiles went into the sky. ... The other day, Strelkov reported 20 defective RPG-18s, here is the same story with ATGMs, only it turned out to be offensive to them - so much dill armor could be burned if they were new

          Let's be clear. ATGMs and MANPADS with "Flies" were brought from Russia, well, there is no such weapon in the police mountains. departments and divisions of the SBU. It turns out Russia sends trash, what's the use of such help?
          1. Bigriver
            Bigriver 7 July 2014 08: 42
            +1
            Quote: Nayhas
            ... The supply of ammunition in the required quantities is possible only by road, you can’t drag it on your hands, so it’s enough to block the roads coming from Donetsk, there will definitely be enough ATO forces for this ...

            If we consider wholesale, then the junta certainly has a TOTAL superiority in manpower. But, not in the quality (and possibly quantity) of the combat personnel! To block roads and blockades, a huge and overwhelming number of combat-capable small units and a high degree of interaction are required for Parashenko. There is neither the first nor the second.
            The ukrami bet is on artogony. In addition, the experience of two months showed that ATO forces are very sensitive to drug losses.
            And how? Just the opposite. Donetsk and Lugansk are turning into a big mess every day, where nothing works.

            Are you from Donetsk or Lugansk?
            Yes, even if so, you cannot know the objective picture.
            Time works for the republics, because their fate is mostly decided not in the fields of Donbass and Lugansk. And the task of the militia is not to be defeated until a political solution is reached.
            ... Let's be clear. ATGMs and MANPADS with "Flies" were brought from Russia, well, there is no such weapon in the police mountains. departments and divisions of the SBU. It turns out Russia sends trash, what's the use of such help?

            I can’t be honest. I am not a theurgist; I am not subject to any knowledge. Reliable information, I have no facts. And to draw conclusions without having a factology = fall into insanity.
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 7 July 2014 09: 49
              -1
              Quote: BigRiver
              If we consider wholesale, then the junta certainly has a TOTAL superiority in manpower. But, not in the quality (and possibly quantity) of the combat personnel!

              How do you measure quality? Or are you out of principle if this is the enemy, then he is squinty and cowardly? Or do you really think that the forces of the ATO consist entirely of bonded servants who breathe fumes in the back Right sector? I am 100% sure that the same Strelkov does not think so, propaganda-propaganda, and the enemy cannot be underestimated and he does not. Therefore, he dumped from Slavyansk.
              Quote: BigRiver
              In addition, the experience of two months showed that ATO forces are very sensitive to drug losses.

              This is true for any army, including the militia of the DNI and LC.
              Quote: BigRiver
              Are you from Donetsk or Lugansk?
              Yes, even if so, you cannot know the objective picture.

              No, I'm from Novosib, but I can read. And the network is full of information from both sides. The fact that the people are passive more than once was said by Strelkov himself. Moreover, he admitted that in Slavyansk the residents demanded that he leave them alone and leave. It was in recent reports that there are regularly laid out.
              Well, in Donetsk, it is enough to watch the video from the DPR "rallies" to which no more than a thousand people come, this is in a city with a million population. So from Donetsk you can recruit thousands to 100 thousand without problems, I have no doubt that out of a million in Donetsk, you can choose 100 thousand healthy men aged 18 to 40 years. But they are not and never will be.
              1. Bigriver
                Bigriver 7 July 2014 12: 22
                0
                Quote: Nayhas
                ... How do you measure quality?

                The achieved results of the militia, in the confrontation with the group, many times superior in terms of personnel and heavy weapons.
          2. saag
            saag 7 July 2014 08: 45
            +3
            Quote: Nayhas
            Let's be clear. ATGMs and MANPADS with "Flies" were brought from Russia, well, there is no such weapon in the police mountains. departments and divisions of the SBU.

            And why not assume that they either obtained it in the APU’s warehouses, or acquired it by hand, at the beginning of the year in Lviv a lot of MANPADS were looted in the warehouses
    2. the polar
      the polar 7 July 2014 08: 28
      +1
      Quote: BigRiver

      What would Kurginyan want? So that the militiamen who massively used up ammunition, fuel, water, food would make seppuk with bayonet-knives? Or surrendered?

      It should be understood that this was precisely the goal of the Kremlin politicians, which was voiced by the Kurghins.
      Is it really not clear that the Kremlin is not interested in freeing the Donbass from the Nazis. The selfish interests of the Russian oligarchy, which he serves, turned out to be more important for him than the mass killings of the civilian population, and even more so the lives of the Donbass militias.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 7 July 2014 08: 48
        +1
        Quote: Polar
        ... It must be understood that this is exactly what was the goal Kremlin politicians voiced by kurginyan ...

        You said it was. Is it all over? Or is it over?
  32. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 7 July 2014 07: 44
    +1
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/670/ncdg149.jpg
  33. GRAY
    GRAY 7 July 2014 07: 52
    +1
    While the "vsepalschiki" scribble on the network panicky comments on the retreat of the militias from Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, the supporters of the junta accuse their generals of negligence and even "colossal treachery."

    A supporter of the junta, Aleksey Arestovich, tells how the militias succeeded "Having united with the Kramatorsk grouping, both detachments formed a convoy more than two kilometers long, led by armored vehicles. The column moved to Donetsk through Druzhkovka and Konstantinovka.
    The column was observed, for more than two and a half hours it was in the zone of free destruction, where there are no civilians, and after that it was on the march. "
    Arestovich emphasizes that despite continuous reports and scandals at the level of the Minister of Internal Affairs and the head of the Security Service of Ukraine, more than a thousand militias "freely moved to Donetsk, although aviation was raised and artillery was directed." He is especially enraged that the militias "went out in a huge column of hundreds of cars, with armored vehicles in front and in the column. They moved in two rows along the Kramatorsk-Donetsk highway and represented an ideal target for more than three hours in a row."
    From this Arestovich concludes: “the fact that they were released is not a“ decision ”, but a colossal-scale official negligence (at best), and so it is very much like outright betrayal. According to some reports, the general forbade opening fire personally. Lieutenant Muzhenko ".
  34. vodolaz
    vodolaz 7 July 2014 07: 59
    0
    He did the right thing, that he moved away, why use people like cannon fodder? In the end, Moscow was somehow given to the French too.
  35. mamont5
    mamont5 7 July 2014 08: 13
    0
    You can argue to death about tactics and strategy (anyway, it does not solve anything), but no one dares to blame heroes. And Kurginyan, there’s a plug to every barrel ...

    "Ivan's patriots could kick themselves in the chest, yelling about the mythical" Stalingrad ", it was at least stupid and incorrect. There was no" Stalingrad "or" Leningrad "in Slavyansk, just as there was no road of life in the surrounded Slavyansk Chuikov's and Tolbukhin's armies stood near Kramatorsk. "

    Why not? Certain analogies can be traced, only in severe cases Sevastopol, Odessa and many other hero cities had to be surrendered. But then, they were repulsed and released. And in general, “With the loss of Moscow Russia is not lost. By the power given to me by the Emperor, I order:“ Retreat. ”Field Marshal M. Kutuzov.
  36. Rigla
    Rigla 7 July 2014 08: 16
    0
    And in the sense of strategic resolution of the situation, what now to do? Bandera will surround Donetsk and begin to shoot it like Slavyansk, and then what? Shooters will leave Donetsk, leaving 1000000 Russians to be destroyed. Well then what?
    1. the polar
      the polar 7 July 2014 08: 35
      0
      Quote: Rigla
      Bandera will surround Donetsk and begin to shoot it like Slavyansk, and then what? Shooters will leave Donetsk, leaving 1000000 Russians to be destroyed. Well then what?

      And then there will be a victory for the Bandera army. Then the construction of the new neo-Nazi state of Ukraine and the armament of the Ukrainian Nazi army, aimed at the East
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 July 2014 17: 00
        0
        Quote: Polar

        And then there will be a victory for the Bandera army. Then the construction of the new neo-Nazi state of Ukraine and the armament of the Ukrainian Nazi army

        Yes, under Stalin, they shot you like a panicist without trial
    2. Rock2
      Rock2 7 July 2014 09: 21
      0
      And that this 1 Russians will sit and wait when it is destroyed? Or, nevertheless, they will organize themselves and rebuff the Nazis. They already have a competent commander and commanders!
      So that? Will we sit and wait when a shell arrives at the house or defend its independence (and not only ours) with weapons in hand?
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 7 July 2014 10: 48
        +1
        Quote: Rock2
        And that this 1 Russians will sit and wait when it is destroyed? Or, nevertheless, they will organize themselves and rebuff the Nazis. They already have a competent commander and commanders!
        So that? Will we sit and wait when a shell arrives at the house or defend its independence (and not only ours) with weapons in hand?

        Of course, he will sit and wait. who can run the rest through the basements, and what are other examples? From observations on TV pictures and numerous interviews, 95% of men who have lost their loved ones are not going to fight and take revenge, they just take their asses in a handful and dump them away.
  37. ed65b
    ed65b 7 July 2014 08: 38
    -6
    I have an opinion that the defeat of Novorossia has been resolved. Putin seems to have agreed with Poroshenko on the discharge of New Russia is unclear so far on what conditions. And what, Parashka goes down in history as the winner of separatism, the people carry it in their arms, he probably should then disperse the illegal formations and somehow begin to interact with Russia. But do not go to the fortune-teller. Russian politics has become a farce. There are no prerequisites for another. Maybe the destruction of a millionaire will make Putin scratch? No, he decided everything. The death of Novorosia will forever cover Russia with shame and stigmatize it as a country of a traitor. Russia will never have any allies or friends or just sympathizing with it. Why be surprised if all Slavic countries treat us with suspicion and distrust because they sold everyone. And the surrender of the DNI and LC will confirm the abomination of Putin and his regime and will be the crown of the art of betrayal. And he will have to give Crimea as he will have no other option. The athlete grabbed a piece and choked.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 7 July 2014 09: 06
      +1
      An alarmist and a traitor, as the chief of staff said in the film "battalions are asking for fire": "... if you get cold feet and don't know what to do, go to a distant trench and shoot yourself ..."! And who will allow this, and the Krymchaks were asked what they want? No, hell gnawed at you all, not Crimea!
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 7 July 2014 10: 36
        +1
        Quote: kartalovkolya
        An alarmist and a traitor, as the chief of staff said in the film "battalions are asking for fire": "... if you get cold feet and don't know what to do, go to a distant trench and shoot yourself ..."! And who will allow this, and the Krymchaks were asked what they want? No, hell gnawed at you all, not Crimea!

        Why such confidence? So far, Russia and Putin personally receive horseradish, allowing them to shoot their own customs terminals and border guards. transitions. Cowardly pulling back the heavy. armament and opening the borders for the "rides" of Ukropskiy armored personnel carriers on the sovereign territory, and the movies quote the masters of darkness. so raise your eyelids VIY look where this is going. And everything goes to the complete defeat of Novorosiya. Who made the Sportsman speak from the rostrum about the Russian world and the protection of the Russian world? Or what he thinks will serve out for digging? War will be mandatory in the event of Novorossia's defeat Parashenko is not going to sit down at the negotiating table, and the United States will be dragged into the war by anyone, only on its own terms, or Kiev will first level Novorossiya to the ground, and then go to Crimea and no one will interfere with it. from a legal point of view, Crimea is Ukrainian. The United States and the EU, seeing Putin's cowardice, will impose sanctions and Putin will give up Crimea. there are simply no other options.
    2. Rock2
      Rock2 7 July 2014 09: 23
      0
      It's too early to talk about it ...
  38. marina1811
    marina1811 7 July 2014 08: 55
    +1
    I don't understand at all. Why are there so many exculpatory articles? It's simple. War is like war. You can't always win. And why so many defeatist sentiments. Why are you digging into Putin? The man is doing his job. Does great. If he does not introduce troops, then there is no such possibility. And about patriotism, it's not for us to tell him. Where were all the patriots in the 90s? When the country was plundered, when can you say banditry ruled? Who did what good for the country, when all who "smarter" emigrated. I am sure everyone will find an answer to this question. And it is Putin who does everything to raise patriotism in the country. A drain or not a drain, sorry, not for you to decide. You do what you can, but do not touch the president. You can go to Kiev and touch Poroshenko as you want. And in the USA they are waiting for you too. As God willing (mind not Putin) so it will be. Our business is to pray, to help, and whoever can, then fight, even on the couch. In general, swearing, criticizing, whining at such a time is counterproductive) - that's Lavrov's favorite word inserted)
    1. AndreyS
      AndreyS 7 July 2014 09: 58
      0
      SUPER! I agree marina1811 completely!
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 7 July 2014 10: 44
      +1
      If there were victories, no one would be upset and there are none. there is a stupidly remote slaughter of the militia with the population and the buildup of an ukrogroup and its combat potential. all. there is still an incomprehensible position of Putin with a bluff who has some kind of plan, but he doesn’t. Appeal to the OSCE and Western countries bullshit.
  39. NUR
    NUR 7 July 2014 10: 29
    0
    All that is not done is for the best. Couch troops sit and wait for new events. And it is better if possible to provide all possible assistance to the victims.
  40. ed65b
    ed65b 7 July 2014 10: 50
    0
    Actually, yesterday, on the "blue eye", a representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry announced that Ukraine would complete the operation to defeat the self-proclaimed republics in the near future and the Russian Federation was not going to interfere with them in this. Moreover, in response to numerous wishes of partners, it will close the border and place it under the monitoring of the OSCE and representatives of the Ukrainian border guards. This is such a cunning plan of Putin, draw your own conclusions.
    1. iwakura
      iwakura 7 July 2014 12: 24
      0
      minus again. I would like a link to a Russian resource with an official statement, an official of the Foreign Ministry authorized to say something there.

      PS: Ukrosayt writings about how one liberate chet there blurted out on the air of the Pindoc radio Patient Baba said not accepted.
      in the morning the echo of fascinatington was accidentally turned on enough for me: "those people who surround Girkin are certainly all marginal: alcoholics, homeless people, criminals ...". Slightly, ...!, The wire from the headphones did not break
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 7 July 2014 12: 47
        0
        Yes, the fig link? Russia 24 all day yesterday interruptedly spun the interview of the bald from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
        1. iwakura
          iwakura 7 July 2014 13: 23
          +1
          "bald" who is this?
          I remember the mock-up of the snowstorm being transported yesterday, ... there are no official statements "the ministry is awaiting the completion of the rout and will close the border" (rather the opposite), I would still like a specific reference
  41. ed65b
    ed65b 7 July 2014 14: 43
    0
    Quote: iwakura
    "bald" who is this?
    I remember the mock-up of the snowstorm being transported yesterday, ... there are no official statements "the ministry is awaiting the completion of the rout and will close the border" (rather the opposite), I would still like a specific reference

    I don’t know what you’re looking at, but there’s just a sea of ​​statements, all about everything, but not about help. all around the gas, yes, and snowstorm. A bald author of a white paper and its curator. if interested, find me no.
  42. The point
    The point 7 July 2014 15: 51
    +1
    I read all the news IN. For some reason I remember there was nobody Greek, walking in broad daylight with a torch. When asked who he was looking for, he replied that HUMAN. Imagine there are a lot of people around, and he is looking for HUMAN. Why am I? In addition to Strelkov, I no longer see any person (among those who determine the state of things). Putin, who has long been singing hosanna, seems to be carrying his superplan for a long time to come.
    People are dying, our borders are dying, our customs are being fired upon, and we are expressing another "Chinese" (may our yellow and moon-faced neighbors forgive me) warning. Yes, pind ... s, they will not be remembered by nightfall (although we are still dancing at their commemoration), they would have injected the tonsils long ago. But we can't. Pindo ... we shot an Oscar-winning movie about saving Private Ryan. And we cannot save our brothers, sisters, and from themselves. Yes, this is more difficult to do than to confront an external enemy. But we can see this enemy too. These are the USA and their hangers-on: the former Warsaw Pact countries (there is no worse executioner than a former slave), as well as countries that emerged from the ruins of the Soviet Union (the Baltic countries, Hohlandia are fantastic, not a country, a land of fairytale ..., well, you know who). Why should I, Russian by passport, Mordvin by father, Ukrainian by mother, hate those who were born outside this suburb? Yes, my address is not a house or a street. My address is SOVIET UNION! I'm not the only one! PEOPLE! HUMANS! ! BE CLEAN, after all! Chernihiv region! My little homeland! Why are you blind too? Yes, we are being played off to dance on our bones.
    I do not believe that all Ukrainians are stained by the shame of killing children, pregnant women, the elderly, and the shooting of Red Cross vehicles.
    PEOPLE! HUMANS! READ OUT!

    And the non-people who have soiled their hands with the blood of the innocent are waiting for the Last Judgment, because The Hague court, I think, will justify them and nominate the Heroes of Democracy (American).
  43. Watchman
    Watchman 7 July 2014 22: 35
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    Igor Ivanovich knows better where and when to defend!
  44. Radical
    Radical 8 July 2014 00: 34
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    A couple of days ago I wrote, about the same thing as the author of the article, only more ministeredly-immediately threw minuses.