Putin's plan

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The recent events on the Novorossiysk fronts and the diplomatic European ones make it possible to more definitely speak out about Putin’s strategy in the Ukrainian crisis. The deployment of the peacekeeping contingent "in the coming 48 hours" to Ukraine did not take place, but the withdrawal of the DPR troops from Slavyansk to the prepared positions took place. And this coincidence in time is suggestive ...

The Donetsk militia left Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, the Strelkov group organizedly left these cities under pressure from the superior forces of the Bandera Nazis, and this brings to mind, of course, the surrender of Kutuzov to Napoleon in Moscow. The same, in essence, maneuver: he retained the militia, took him into the depth of the defense and began regrouping.

But Bandera was in the Napoleonic situation in Moscow: in the city bombed by them. The victory of the Ukroarmia is clearly “Pyrrhic”; Strelkov obviously gained time, and took a more comfortable position: Karachun hanging over Slavyansk was, of course, a constant headache for the militia.

Chairman of the State Duma Commission Alexei Pushkov said that relations between Russia and the United States are entering a confrontational stage. And in the face of confrontation, Moscow inevitably recognizes Novorossia: there will be nothing left to lose on the world stage. Question: when recognizes? This is determined by the strategy of confrontation with the West.

The notorious “Putin’s plan” in Ukraine seems to be connecting Berlin and Paris to resolving the Ukrainian crisis - this will strategically allow the situation in Ukraine to win, violating the Washington plan: to leave Russia in this crisis alone.

Prerequisites for this. The Ukrainian crisis, one way or another, will have to clear up Europe and Russia, not Washington. It seems that Moscow, Berlin and Paris have found mutual understanding in this. Only this can explain the cease-fire and truce initiatives in Ukraine until 5 July in Berlin and Paris. While in the US Congress a bill is being introduced: “The Act on the Prevention of Aggression by Russia 2014”.

Peace initiatives in Ukraine were thwarted by Washington, and we see that tensions began between “old Europe” and the United States, amid assurances of Atlantic solidarity. Washington threatens to impose sanctions on French and German banks, while in Germany they suddenly discovered an American spy in their intelligence. And they declare that this spy scandal threatens relations with the United States: “I must say: we have enough!” Informational touch: Euronews began to talk about “self-proclaimed DNR”, and not about militants and terrorists, like Washington.

We will not be naive, as if Chancellor Merkel was not aware of the status of Germany in Atlantic solidarity. On the contrary, the scandal in intelligence is hardly accidentally released into the light of God right now, and Merkel, while on a visit to China (!), Declared that “struck and confused” by this spy scandal - this is politically correct nonsense.

Rather, we are witnessing a conscious return of Germany to the world arena: it begins to distinguish its national interests from American, primarily in Ukraine, a painful point in Europe. And Putin is doing everything possible so that this process does not fail.

Probably, as long as the possibility of a situational alliance with Germany remains, Putin will be slow in taking decisive actions in Ukraine. Wait: will Atlantic solidarity prevail, or will it be called an addiction?

Another restriction for Russia is Novorossia. Lavrov, in general, unequivocally said that the suppression of the militia in the Donbass is not acceptable for Russia, in other words, Donbass Russia will not surrender. The task of Donbass today is to keep, to gain time for a possible turn of Europe to the East. Moscow needs to have time to play a game with Berlin - Paris in order to come together in the Donbass peacekeepers.

If Berlin and Paris capitulate to Washington ... This is the worst scenario, then Donbass will have to save Russia alone against the united front of the western countries. Then the confrontation will become an accomplished fact with the consequences in the form of a new Cold War. In any case, Moscow will make the next move, when, in one way or another, the struggle “for Europe” with Washington ends.
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  1. +111
    7 July 2014 08: 44
    This is the most acceptable scenario. A big game, big politics, where there are no rules.
    1. +41
      7 July 2014 08: 58
      I agree, everything is so tightly entwined into such a strong knot that it is extremely difficult to untie it alone, but apparently the time has not yet come to cut. Waiting tactics, apparently at the moment, are the most acceptable.
      1. BYV
        +92
        7 July 2014 09: 01
        It is especially recommended to read "All-spreads".
        1. +28
          7 July 2014 09: 14
          What is the minus? Right comment)))
          1. zzz
            zzz
            +48
            7 July 2014 09: 31
            Quote: nicolay338
            What is the minus? Right comment)))


            Do you think that there are only patriots on the site?
            1. +14
              7 July 2014 10: 02
              Not at all))) The motivation of those others is poorly understood))) I doubt that they earn, but some moral satisfaction is dubious)))
              1. Semurik
                +11
                7 July 2014 19: 34
                so you can see "minus players" from these ..: "not zim, so bite"))))
            2. +50
              7 July 2014 12: 49
              Quote: zzz
              Do you think that there are only patriots on the site?


              Patriots are also different. Who is for the immediate entry of troops into New Russia, and who says - wait, everything is going according to plan. Both are patriots. Cheer for Russia. That's just the situation is understood differently.
              1. +10
                7 July 2014 21: 34
                I will surprise you. There are also patriots who claim that Russia has annexed Crimea and is at war with Ukraine. At the same time, he is ready to defend Russia with arms, but only if the truth is on her side. (essno truth, which he, the "patriot" understands correctly) I struggle for six months .. if I was a stranger, I would have decided that a troll, but no - I have known for more than 20 years ..
                1. +4
                  8 July 2014 16: 18
                  Quote: Foxmara
                  I will surprise you. There are also patriots who claim that Russia annexed Crimea and is at war with Ukraine.

                  Well, they hardly consider themselves patriots:
                  1. +1
                    8 July 2014 18: 57
                    no, exactly what he thinks. This is surprising. Those. I have no reason not to believe him in the power of a long personal acquaintance:

                    "..Yes, this point needs to be clarified, I am for TRUTH, not for Russia, just like a real German patriot was for TRUTH, and not for Germany, after the Nazis came to power. And I preferred to go to a concentration camp, but not to snoop on a Jewish or socialist neighbor. In this sense, I am for the TRUTH. I do not know what these people thought about the truth, I think their conscience told them unmistakably with whom the truth is now. And I believe that the red-brown trash can quite get to authorities in our country, under any and primarily patriotic slogans.
                    Yes, I believe that Putin and those people who can influence him, perhaps not out of malice, but sincerely delusional (which, however, is unlikely), but certainly merge Russia. But my interest is not at all in the collapse and drain of Russia, but on the contrary, I am offended that our country, which has always been and deservedly among the advanced, leading powers, is now in the ass and seems to be strong, since the collective Putin seems to be for a long time. "

                    And here is what is amazing. Different people interpret the same facts in very different ways. Also faced so to speak personally.
                    1. 0
                      8 July 2014 21: 20
                      Yeah, man for the truth, but where is she? Why did he decide that he knows HER - THE TRUTH? Pure? After listening to the opinions of various clever people, maybe even relatives from Ukraine, I decided that I recognized HER? Yes, we will never find out the pure truth, relying only on the judgments of politicians, journalists and those zombified by them. You can only get close to transparency, raking from "feces" to any half-truthful water information from TV and the Internet, drawing conclusions: "who benefits."
                      Ask your friend: is it really profitable for Russia to turn a neighbor against itself, kindle a "hot spot" near its borders, push Ukraine into NATO, quarrel with the whole world, spend billions on gas bypass routes, on the defense industry? As a result, get the title of world "fascist" with hundreds of thousands of potential saboteurs near the border, who will definitely go to take revenge on the Russians for genocides, Crimea and so on (the list is multiplying)? And collapse as a result? Or is the "dictator" Putin himself so eager to enter History? Maybe he lacks amerskih dollars?
                      Does your friend have the wrong logic? I think that he asks himself the wrong questions. Although here in Ukraine this is precisely how the population holds its head, it does not look higher, dutifully, the neck does not let it go higher. Accustomed to slavery for centuries ... :(
                    2. 0
                      8 July 2014 21: 24
                      You plus, the topic is relevant. The other day, I highlighted a story on UTV about citizens of Russia, Russians fighting for an unlucky Ukrainian junta and their ideology - it does not fit my head.
              2. +7
                7 July 2014 22: 03
                Quote: mamont5
                Patriots are also different. Who is for the immediate entry of troops into Novorossia, and who says - wait, everything is going according to plan

                How will Willy Tokarev sing,
                "... give Russia alone with the hussars,
                and to another only with samovars, to the third tavern and vodka,
                and the fourth Siberia is a shoe ... "
            3. +1
              7 July 2014 17: 43
              There are a lot of patriots here - "the boss is gone" ... wassat
            4. +1
              7 July 2014 22: 27
              Quote: zzz
              Quote: nicolay338
              What is the minus? Right comment)))


              Do you think that there are only patriots on the site?


              Patriots are also different. Types of patriots: 1.UraPatriot. 2. Everything is Lost Patriot 3. Love West West Patriot (liberal). 4.Real Patriot. laughing
          2. +11
            7 July 2014 11: 42
            Quote: nicolay338
            What is the minus?

            - why do you react so strongly to the minuses ?! The value of the comment is not in the positive balance, but in the sum modulo, i.e. the total number of ratings of those who paid attention to your opinion, who were hurt. True, there are those who, according to old memory, "evaluate", but this is nothing.
          3. -6
            7 July 2014 14: 03
            Trolls are minus.
          4. 0
            7 July 2014 19: 10
            Proshalschiki and minus!
          5. 0
            8 July 2014 13: 46
            this is from the 5th minus))))
            1. +1
              8 July 2014 14: 17
              Judging by the minuses, five rats have definitely gotten here!
        2. +24
          7 July 2014 09: 16
          Why is it so rude, who now needs a big war, the Kiev junta is only waiting for this, then to write everything off to Russia!
          1. +26
            7 July 2014 16: 09
            I wrote yesterday. that if Russia enters troops, this is a gift for America and salvation for the junta. you just need to help the militia - with everything you can. so the minuses slapped. although these minuses are to me. somehow on the side. this is my main opinion and many others. amerikosy and so on the brink. why help them. he will understand how they will take off at all prices. they themselves will crush her. well, of course, not without the help of the southeast. as I noticed on many bnds and armored vehicles. it’s written in Kiev. even in Lviv.
            1. +1
              8 July 2014 00: 13
              Quote: urii
              I wrote yesterday. that if Russia enters troops, this is a gift for America and salvation for the junta. you just need to help the militia - with everything you can. so the minuses slapped. although these minuses are to me. somehow on the side. this is my main opinion and many others. amerikosy and so on the brink. why help them. he will understand how they will take off at all prices. they themselves will crush her. well, of course, not without the help of the southeast. as I noticed on many bnds and armored vehicles. it’s written in Kiev. even in Lviv.


              Salvation for the junta ??? The junta will last a maximum of two weeks. A gift for America? Well, perhaps America is dreaming of a revival of Russia.
              As for the help of Novorossia unofficial - it is practically nonexistent. It just works enthusiasm + some visibility. Even humanitarian aid is stolen.
              1. 0
                8 July 2014 06: 59
                Quote: Su24
                As for the help of Novorossia unofficial - it is practically nonexistent. It just works enthusiasm + some visibility. Even humanitarian aid is stolen.


                Where is the droushka?
                1. 0
                  9 July 2014 11: 08
                  New AKMs were delivered to the general store yesterday.
            2. +1
              8 July 2014 15: 23
              you were not the only one who wrote about the fact that in the fall there will be an end to both dill and fascington) and about the fact that why help America rise by introducing troops into Ukraine, she only needs this - start a war, write off her debts from different "aggressor countries" .. and they are again in chocolate and do not owe anyone
          2. +3
            7 July 2014 18: 22
            Quote: sssss018
            Why is it so rude, who now needs a big war, the Kiev junta is only waiting for this, then to write everything off to Russia!

            I agree, it’s only the juntists who are hoping in vain that it will be easier for them, rather the opposite, because in this case few of them have time to escape to the west, I think that even the CIA officers in Kiev will have every chance of being captured.
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        4. Andrey82
          -7
          7 July 2014 13: 08
          Now there will be some "cunning plan" called - 148 hours (for suckers). smile
          1. +2
            7 July 2014 21: 16
            Oh, I'm sorry for you. And the men of Novoshakhtinsky and Donetsk (RF) tell such fun.
            Do you know why Izvarino is still a draw?
            Because our ukrov peel and artillery and the counter. At 5-7 km, the buffer zone is cleaned.
            1. +1
              8 July 2014 00: 19
              what are you making up? Our border points even periodically fall under the distribution, not that ours somewhere out there "clean up".
          2. +2
            7 July 2014 22: 13
            Quote: Andrey82
            Now there will be some "cunning plan" called - 148 hours (for suckers).

            Don’t try! Does not work. Although you are in a drum.
            As they say, "It's cock's business to crow, but at least don't dawn there." In short, you will see Loha in the mirror. wassat
          3. +1
            8 July 2014 00: 16
            Quote: Andrey82
            Now there will be some "cunning plan" called - 148 hours (for suckers). smile



            )))))) Bravo) And the "patriots" eat, because they are so afraid for their own well-being that may suffer.
          4. Tambov
            +1
            8 July 2014 02: 39
            Yeah ... And here the Officer "typed" well on the topic
        5. +4
          7 July 2014 13: 24
          Quote: BYV
          It is especially recommended to read "All-spreads".

          "Vsepalschiki" are those who are afraid of rendering assistance to the Donbass. Yes, there will be no world war, there will NOT be. We are the owners of an arsenal of nuclear weapons that can destroy the earth several times. So navryatli who wants to engage in mortal combat with us.
          But whether our guarantor will be able to reward him, this is a big question.
          1. Semurik
            0
            7 July 2014 19: 42
            and there is no question here)
            we do not want the president of the Russian Federation in the eyes of the people (first of all his own people) to be seen next to those who are ready to "shoot their enemies with nuclear weapons"

            so let's not play such a guessing game, all the same, our desires do not depend on their capabilities))
          2. 0
            7 July 2014 22: 18
            Quote: BIGLESHIY
            But whether our guarantor will be able to reward him, this is a big question.

            Thank God, our guarantor is not to burn the globe in a nuclear fire ...
          3. 0
            8 July 2014 00: 22
            Quote: BIGLESHIY
            Quote: BYV
            It is especially recommended to read "All-spreads".

            "Vsepalschiki" are those who are afraid of rendering assistance to the Donbass. Yes, there will be no world war, there will NOT be. We are the owners of an arsenal of nuclear weapons that can destroy the earth several times. So navryatli who wants to engage in mortal combat with us.
            But whether our guarantor will be able to reward him, this is a big question.


            Do not try, the "patriots" (putinoids) firmly know that the destruction of the Russians of Donbass is part of the clever plan of the wise leadership. They have everything under control.
        6. +3
          7 July 2014 21: 58
          Quote: BYV
          All-spreads "is especially recommended for reading.

          All-pro-coders give grants; they do not need truth. State Department 30 green lards to replace the power in Russia allocated ...
        7. Oleg Gor
          +4
          8 July 2014 03: 33
          Quote: BYV
          It is especially recommended to read "All-spreads".

          By the way, in addition to "all-propals" and "slidonbasov" http://yurasumy.livejournal.com/106159.html
          1. nvv
            nvv
            0
            8 July 2014 04: 02
            Quote: Oleg Gor
            Quote: BYV
            It is especially recommended to read "All-spreads".

            By the way, in addition to "all-propals" and "slidonbasov" http://yurasumy.livejournal.com/106159.html

            Not a composer. THANKS.
            1. Oleg Gor
              +1
              9 July 2014 02: 11
              Quote: nvv
              Not a composer.

              I realized that you are not one of these. This is me in addition to your words for the "all-propals"
              1. nvv
                nvv
                0
                11 July 2014 03: 14
                I am also not enthusiastic about this word, but sometimes it quickly reaches the public.
      2. +6
        7 July 2014 10: 08
        Quote: Bob0859
        Waiting tactics, apparently at the moment, are the most acceptable.

        Yes? That's when its fruits - "... At a recent meeting of the EAEC Council, Russia proposed, in connection with Ukraine's agreement on association and free trade with the European Union, to adopt a single resolution on a new regime for Ukrainian goods. That is, on an agreed increase in import duties for goods from Ukraine up to 7% of the cost of these goods (while Ukrainian products are imported duty-free). But Belarus and Kazakhstan rejected this proposal, saying that they consider it, at least, controversial. "http://politobzor.net/show- 27655-evraziyskaya-integraciya-ukrainskiy-sboy.html
        1. -4
          7 July 2014 11: 11
          Quote: saag
          http://politobzor.net/show-27655-evraziyskaya-integraciya-ukrainskiy-sboy.html

          judging by this article - the vehicle will be torpedoed by Ukraine (which is quite interesting, since joining the vehicle of Ukraine would definitely be a victory for the Russian Federation and the whole vehicle .. and vice versa)
          1. +3
            7 July 2014 14: 53
            Quote: Cristall
            Quote: saag
            http://politobzor.net/show-27655-evraziyskaya-integraciya-ukrainskiy-sboy.html

            judging by this article - the vehicle will be torpedoed by Ukraine (which is quite interesting, since joining the vehicle of Ukraine would definitely be a victory for the Russian Federation and the whole vehicle .. and vice versa)

            it’s strange, I’m the only one like that when I look at the world, it doesn’t seem black and white to me, but it has other colors, for example, red, yellow, blue, but how many, but each color has a lot of shades .. .
            By the way, Nirazu did not see the goods that I use to be from Ukraine, for example, for the most part the head of the subject of the federation seeks to ensure that their manufacturers can sell their products, which fills the shelves of stores.
            maybe the metro, I also don’t remember that I came across goods from Ukraine, for the most part the products of nearby regions, with the exception of seafood, but also not Ukraine, and the bulk of electronics is China.
            and bargaining is not about raising prices for products from Ukraine, but rather, so as not to raise them for those products in which members of the customs union have a need! this is by the way about debatable issues with respect to raising customs duties.
        2. +15
          7 July 2014 11: 16
          what next? According to the charter, after disapproval of duties by Belarus and Kazakhstan, Russia has the right to independently introduce these duties. And he introduces, the market = then Russia is an order of magnitude larger than the Belarusian and Kazakhstan combined. Russia will close its market, in Kazakhstan I do not think that there are a lot of ukrov goods, and they must be transported through Russia. So this is absolutely not a problem.
          1. +12
            7 July 2014 12: 55
            It looks like Batska once again wants to cut the loot on the transfer of Ukrainian goods, as it was at one time with Georgian wine, mineral water and "tourists" ...
            1. 0
              7 July 2014 21: 18
              Quote: axpert2008
              It looks like Batska once again wants to cut the loot on the transfer of Ukrainian goods, as it was at one time with Georgian wine, mineral water and "tourists" ...


              It will not work, our already customs posts on the border with Belarus have been restored and trucks with dill products are being kicked off.
              1. 0
                7 July 2014 22: 33
                It will not work, our already customs posts on the border with Belarus have been restored and trucks with dill products are being kicked off.
                on Saturday, relatives from the Baltic states wanted to travel to Russia by taking only a Belarusian visa, because they were slowed down on the border with Russia. I had to wait on Monday, today we missed it.
          2. Semurik
            0
            7 July 2014 19: 45
            Quote: Edvagan
            after disapproval of duties by Belarus and Kazakhstan, Russia has the right to independently introduce these duties.


            those. it turns out that everyone is equal here, but still there is someone who is "smoother" than the others ?!)))
        3. Serg7281
          +2
          7 July 2014 11: 46
          If Astana and Minsk are thinking of staying in their estates (until Ukrainian goods reach them), then none of this will work. It is easier for Russia to merge all this product in transit to Kazakhstan, and given the fact that nationalist forces are gaining there and their tenge could collapse at once, as well as Belarusian bunnies, I think that the leaders of Belarus and Kazakhstan have enough intelligence to agree with the proposal of Moscow .
          1. +2
            7 July 2014 12: 38
            Quote: Serg7281
            nationalist forces are gaining and their tenge can collapse at once,

            it is not interconnected in any way, if the ruble is released again, then the tenge will also follow its course
            1. Serg7281
              +1
              7 July 2014 14: 10
              Why not connected ??? And what, in Ukraine, the hryvnia is as strong as before the Maidan? The course of national currencies is precisely influenced not only by external, but also by internal factors, including political ones.
          2. +2
            7 July 2014 15: 37
            but given the fact that there are gaining nationalist forces

            and how do you know everything ??? I somehow didn’t notice, maybe they are picking up a thread in stores?))
            1. +1
              7 July 2014 17: 12
              But I noticed. Can you open your eyes?
        4. 0
          7 July 2014 18: 32
          Quote: saag
          Quote: Bob0859
          Waiting tactics, apparently at the moment, are the most acceptable.

          Yes? That's when its fruits - "... At a recent meeting of the EAEC Council, Russia proposed, in connection with Ukraine's agreement on association and free trade with the European Union, to adopt a single resolution on a new regime for Ukrainian goods. That is, on an agreed increase in import duties for goods from Ukraine up to 7% of the cost of these goods (while Ukrainian products are imported duty-free). But Belarus and Kazakhstan rejected this proposal, saying that they consider it, at least, controversial. "http://politobzor.net/show- 27655-evraziyskaya-integraciya-ukrainskiy-sboy.html

          Nothing, they will be squeezed, they won’t go anywhere, all the more Kazakhstan can trade with Ukraine only through Russia, and for the Old Man this is the usual behavior when he wants to bargain for something from Russia.
      3. +11
        7 July 2014 10: 58
        ... it’s very interesting to see the change of outlook. substantiation of processes and tonality on the mainstream media ..
        Yesterday Sunday evening with Solovyov ... Solovyov is constantly the same: "there is no legal basis for the introduction of Russian troops" .. and even the UN dragged in ... and how he sang in March and May ...
        1. +9
          7 July 2014 11: 11
          Quote: 222222
          ... it’s very interesting to see the change of outlook. substantiation of processes and tonality on the mainstream media ..
          Yesterday Sunday evening with Solovyov ... Solovyov is constantly the same: "there is no legal basis for the introduction of Russian troops" .. and even the UN dragged in ... and how he sang in March and May ...

          He receives grandmas for this, such a job ... Another ruler will come, he will sing differently, any gesheft for your money.
          1. 0
            7 July 2014 11: 24
            In May, I heard the same thing from him on Russian radio, word for word
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        2. +8
          7 July 2014 13: 12
          I listen to the radio with Solovyov constantly. And somehow I did not notice a change in his position on the legal basis for the entry of Russian troops. In March and May, he asserted about the same thing, that without the UN sanction, Russia is not healthy to send troops.
      4. +4
        7 July 2014 11: 42
        Quote: Bob0859
        I agree, everything is so tightly entwined into such a strong knot that it is extremely difficult to untie it alone, but apparently the time has not yet come to cut. Waiting tactics, apparently at the moment, are the most acceptable.


        ladies and gentlemen, comrades, or perhaps a new anti-Russian axis is being created under the leadership of the deaf-eared. In the last century was Berlin-Rome-Tokyo. And today Paris-Berlin-Warsaw-Kiev. And the spearhead in the form of dill is aimed at the Russian Federation? And the alleged friction in Europe with a lop-eared is only a smokescreen.
      5. -1
        8 July 2014 00: 02
        Quote: Bob0859
        I agree, everything is so tightly entwined into such a strong knot that it is extremely difficult to untie it alone, but apparently the time has not yet come to cut. Waiting tactics, apparently at the moment, are the most acceptable.


        You are walking down the street with your wife. Suddenly, an unknown guy comes up and begins to beat her cynically and methodically. Your thoughts: "hmm, probably the tactic of waiting is the most acceptable now." Is this how it happens?

        P.S. "Don't be afraid, dear, I have a cunning plan!"
        1. +2
          8 July 2014 09: 38
          A slightly different situation:
          You walk down the street with someone else's wife. Suddenly her husband comes up and begins to cynically and methodically beat her. And there are policemen walking by who do not know whose side they will take, because you have 28 drives and a suspended sentence.
    2. nvv
      nvv
      +29
      7 July 2014 08: 58
      It should work out.
      1. +4
        7 July 2014 11: 06
        100 pluses for you for this video
        1. +4
          7 July 2014 14: 04
          This video is more than one month old. And what has changed? That's why he and the parliament, in order to have more fun talking. Hoping that there will be a split between the USA and Europe is the same as waiting for the Ukrainian people to revolt against the junta.
      2. itr
        -1
        7 July 2014 16: 58
        And I thought she shows the size of the device)))))
    3. +5
      7 July 2014 09: 02
      With the world on a thread, homeless on a shirt. Right, slow but right
      1. +11
        7 July 2014 09: 09
        A good article; the author made a smart and sober conclusion. And no one will surrender 100% to New Russia.
        1. +2
          7 July 2014 09: 32
          Everything is correctly said. Help is coming to Russia, just if you look closely, the same MANPADS and ATGMs do not appear from the air (I read as if they were buying supposedly from Ukrainian warriors for bucks, well, maybe they bought 5-10 pieces and the rest from where? Yes and new equipment comes up - Army Kamazs (Mustangs) and the Urals - well, just say that in any car dealership they just stand in rows.
          1. +8
            7 July 2014 11: 18
            Quote: zadorin1974
            Everything is correctly said. Help is coming to Russia, just if you look closely, the same MANPADS and ATGMs do not appear from the air (I read as if they were buying supposedly from Ukrainian warriors for bucks, well, maybe they bought 5-10 pieces and the rest from where? Yes and new equipment comes up - Army Kamazs (Mustangs) and the Urals - well, just say that in any car dealership they just stand in rows.

            Enough to lull yourself with fairy tales, yesterday Tsarev (El Murid wrote about this more than once) unequivocally said on the air at Solovyov's place "we CANNOT arm more people because all the weapons from captured units, captured or bought from the Ukrainian military," the question of why so few people are fighting. Strelkov unambiguously said that the limited ammunition is related to the same thing, "you can't bring much Gazelles at night, and there was nothing especially to carry." Kamaz was bought by the Ukrovsk army, and KRAZ also complained about this.
            1. zzz
              zzz
              +4
              7 July 2014 12: 52
              Quote: Orik
              Enough to lull yourself with fairy tales, yesterday Tsarev (El Murid wrote about this more than once) unequivocally said on the air at Solovyov's place, "We CANNOT arm more people because all the weapons from captured units, captured or bought from the Ukrainian military,"


              Correctly . How much was written about this here that there are no weapons, well, there isn’t enough to arm those who want to ... And again the same question, why is Donbass not fighting? What? With axes? Tsarev yesterday, like a cry from the soul, help, because the next will be you ...
            2. +5
              7 July 2014 14: 30
              And what should Tsarev say is the Russian weapon, to please Psaki?
              Okay, the girls believe, but we see how they started to fight and what they are fighting now.
        2. +10
          7 July 2014 13: 20
          Long time we did not fight,
          Long time no blood spilled,
          And so…
          Our turn has come!

          Take the machine
          And the machine gun
          And whispering: "Save the Lord!"
          Take a turn to the sky ...

          In the shower…
          To make the spirit stronger than steel,
          To justify the memory of ancestors,
          And survive if God gives ...

          And if not…
          That death take,
          And from the sky to beat the enemies of Russia
          In Ukraine, in New Russia ...
    4. -29
      7 July 2014 09: 14
      Nonsense writes the author, let's better about the new yachts of the oligarchs!
      1. +6
        7 July 2014 10: 14
        Civilian, it seems like thoughts of money filled all your brains. Probably got a lot of loans, but you can’t pay off? Leave the yachts to the oligarchs, and politics to the politicians. It is not necessary to insert your posts on your financial insolvency into each topic. Not everything is decided by money.
        1. -15
          7 July 2014 10: 28
          Quote: ovgorskiy
          Civilian, it seems like thoughts of money filled all your brains. Probably got a lot of loans, but you can’t pay off? Leave the yachts to the oligarchs, and politics to the politicians. It is not necessary to insert your posts on your financial insolvency into each topic. Not everything is decided by money.

          Oh, another couch drew) you are worried about your masters - Abramovich, Fridman and Gaydamakov) why is your native not in Israel? What are you doing on patriotic resources?
          1. +6
            7 July 2014 12: 43
            Hysteria Civil, with what word did I support the oligarchs? I wrote, translated for you, that the world is much more complicated than you see it. If oligarchs even prevent you from going to the toilet, then this is your problem. And why are you here Israel dragged, you are our patriot. Take care of your nerves, they will still be useful to you.
        2. VAF
          VAF
          +2
          7 July 2014 13: 47
          Quote: ovgorskiy
          . Not everything is decided by money.


          Well, well, well, loyal subject ... explain please .. how it is possible in our present time to carry out training, get proper medical care, buy GOOD and QUALITY products, not a DOMESTIC TETROPAK wassat , purchase (and not get) NORMAL housing .. and not ala Khrushchev? buy a COUNTY and RELIABLE car, not a "bucket of nuts", etc. etc.

          And then leave the yachts to them. Leave politics to those, but what to the people ??? request How do we get a retirement coefficient for retirement? wassat
          1. Tumbler
            +1
            8 July 2014 08: 55
            You are wrong, dear. They wrote that not everything can be bought for money. Can I buy health? Of real friends? Love? (in the normal sense of these words). Something like this....
      2. +1
        7 July 2014 11: 09
        And what, envy gnaws? Also wanted a yacht?
        1. -3
          7 July 2014 11: 26
          Quote: Sanglier
          And what, envy gnaws? Also wanted a yacht?


          Go dear to yourself on the echo of Tel Aviv, in general, with that kind of money you could save for example sick children, but to you like your master’s yacht more important))
          1. 0
            7 July 2014 12: 09
            Well, why the owner? And he himself has a good one ...
          2. +1
            7 July 2014 19: 10
            And what are you sending to Tel Aviv? Likely, recently there were and you want others to congress and rejoice, bask in the sun? It is not necessary to consider everyone around you as Jews and traitors, and not go crazy for long.
            1. Semurik
              0
              7 July 2014 19: 56
              he just now works in the salon "Yachts on Sadovoe" ... so he is gaining clientele here)))
              and in Tel Aviv ... these are echoes of the former profession of a tour operator))) you see tours were not selling well, and resentment of the Jews settled)))
      3. master 84
        -1
        7 July 2014 13: 54
        envy is a sin. about yachts
    5. +9
      7 July 2014 09: 35
      Politics has a rule: `` deceive your neighbor, otherwise the distant will come and deceive both ''
      1. -33
        7 July 2014 10: 06
        Quote: shaman-25rus
        Putin's plan


        - trouble in RUSSIA AND NEW RUSSIA (((THOUSANDS OF VICTIMS)))) !!!
        1. +3
          7 July 2014 15: 10
          the picture would have to be better photographed, otherwise it’s just a pale yellow
        2. +4
          7 July 2014 16: 19
          amid thousands of torn and torn people, they put humorous pictures in the form of bullfighting in the title of articles! there is no limit to cynicism!
        3. Glasha
          0
          9 July 2014 14: 35
          Our people are capable of much, but it is unbearable for them to realize their betrayal (albeit involuntarily). Any "excuses" will be "molded".
    6. +10
      7 July 2014 11: 27
      But all the same, Russia needs to have a more decisive position, set conditions for others, create situations, and not adapt to them.
      1. +5
        7 July 2014 13: 20
        It is necessary. But for this it is NECESSARY, there is still a lot of NECESSARY ... To strengthen economically, to gain solid allies, to have industrial potential, to suppress internal betrayal ... there is a lot of NECESSARY that does not exist. Hope so far no.
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +5
          7 July 2014 13: 53
          Quote: tolancop
          a lot of things are NECESSARY, which is not.


          Good koment. Honestly +drinks

          Only one word you have dropped out of the phrase .. and if not, then for the "uryapatriots" it is not .. readable wassat

          In my opinion, your phrase should look like this "a lot of things are NECESSARY and WHO NEEDSwhich is not.
    7. 0
      7 July 2014 13: 04
      At this stage we can only guess.
    8. -3
      7 July 2014 23: 56
      "Putin's plan" in today's realities sounds pitiful and ridiculous. Does anyone still believe this? Wake up, the pro-Western agents have long and reliably pressed any help to New Russia. This is not a cunning strategy, but a shameful attempt to evade responsibility for the fate of the Russian people of Novorossiya.
      Putin, send troops!
    9. +1
      8 July 2014 00: 05
      Times are changing, and the world with it, Britain and the United States will be shocked if RUSSIA GERMANY FRANCE starts working together in Ukraine. I think there is every chance that this would happen!
    10. 0
      8 July 2014 05: 27
      what is described here is the very thing ... it explains everything
  2. sanek0207
    +13
    7 July 2014 08: 47
    In any case, the DPR Russia is obliged to save !!
    1. Blot
      -60
      7 July 2014 08: 56
      And what to save already? Putin wavered and surrendered New Russia !!! And don't say he has a plan! A very clever plan! All. Euro-Ukrainians rejoice .... Putin-you betrayed the Russians !!! "And why was I so in love with you?"
      1. +27
        7 July 2014 09: 06
        Quote: Blot
        What to save already? Putin flinched and surrendered to New Russia !!!

        And what’s Lukashenko, he’s not letting anyone go? How do they cover the events in Ukraine in the news of the Byelorussian, even though they keep silence for at least 30 seconds?
        1. Blot
          -43
          7 July 2014 09: 15
          Lukashenko - he’s a sweep - Mrrazot !!! I don’t want to say anything or think about him at all!
          1. +14
            7 July 2014 09: 39
            Avatar is the coat of arms of Lithuania and the Belarusian himself seems -Where do you mark And ?, and you don’t like the Old Man! fifth column!!!
            1. Blot
              -16
              7 July 2014 09: 44
              This is the coat of arms of Belarus, (formerly ON), so if you don’t know our history, you don’t need to draw any conclusions! And I'm already tired of explaining to you that NOBODY in our country calls him that, he called himself that !!! Old Man was called Peter Masherov ...
              1. +4
                7 July 2014 10: 08
                If we assume that part of modern Belarus was part of the Russo-Lithuanian principality
                1. Semurik
                  +3
                  7 July 2014 20: 06
                  Russian-Lithuanian principality ??????????
                  go learn your lessons. EGEshnik))))))
              2. 0
                7 July 2014 10: 14
                then Kyyev was also the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and Belarus not only included in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania what did you choose this emblem for? So there is nothing here to flaunt history expert Mlyn.
                1. Semurik
                  0
                  7 July 2014 20: 13
                  it is a non-Lithuanian emblem!
                  look at heraldry.
                  because it’s really ... you have a gap in certain areas of history)
              3. +3
                7 July 2014 10: 58
                In my opinion, this is the whole point, "so if you don’t know our story"and the truth is that history has been common for many centuries, divide and conquer this, and the world’s bigwigs are engaged, later there will be indisputable grounds for your oppression in the Russian (Soviet) Empire ......
              4. +3
                7 July 2014 11: 38
                Quote: Blot
                This is the coat of arms of Belarus, (formerly ON), so if you don’t know our history, you don’t need to draw any conclusions! And I'm already tired of explaining to you that NOBODY in our country calls him that, he called himself that !!! Old Man was called Peter Masherov ...

                Son, you don’t know the story itself, the Russian lands extended to Vilnius (Vilnius, Vilnius) and only at the end of the 11th in the 12th century, due to princely welds, the Lithuanians begin to tidy up these lands under their own hand, the fall of Russia under the Tatar attacks accelerates this process and so actually on RUSSIAN lands arises ON.
                Here is an example of how the father’s country, drawing its origin from the ON, raises freaks like Westerners in the former Ukraine.
                1. Blot
                  +1
                  7 July 2014 14: 30
                  Actually, I already have two grandchildren. The first prince of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania was Mindovg, which takes its roots from Rostislav Polotsky. So think about who collected what ... There were no Lithuanians - there were Litvins, who, in turn, came presumably from Mecklenburg! And the current Lietuvises are jamoids ... Teach, read and will be for you ...
              5. Semurik
                +3
                7 July 2014 20: 11
                But what are you minus Klyaksu ???
                he does not like his president ... so what? He immediately swamp and fifth leg ???
                what is emotionally trying to explain and tell the story of Belarus?
                or only Russia has a history, but the neighbors didn’t have any history ... and in general, all the neighbors and not the people at all ??? What kind of great imperial chauvinism is this?
                if you want a dialogue (here on the forum), listen to others! at least listen ....
                1. Blot
                  0
                  7 July 2014 21: 07
                  Thank you friend!
            2. Semurik
              +2
              7 July 2014 20: 05
              on the coat of arms of Lithuania the horse has a tail UP !!

              and this is the coat of arms ON. he is the first coat of arms of Belarus.

              and Old Man ... you know, Vouva, I have ONE Old Man, and this is not the president of Belarus. but in fact the Old Man was also called Peter Masherov
              . if this name says something to my opponent)
              1. Blot
                -1
                7 July 2014 21: 08
                Thanks friend 2!
          2. HAM
            +1
            7 July 2014 09: 50
            Do you love yourself very much ??
          3. +1
            7 July 2014 16: 16
            Quote: Blot
            Lukashenko - he’s a sweep - Mrrazot !!!

            In Russia, the president of Ukraine, Yanukovych, is vegetating without work. Zabirai. This is definitely a man with a capital "H". wassat
        2. +6
          7 July 2014 09: 16
          Alexander Romanov "And what about Lukashenko, he does not give anyone away? How is it that the news of the Belorusskys covers the events in Ukraine, even if they take 30 seconds or are they silent?"
          Lukashenko is also not about the blot. Etozh Pole.))) And the Polish coat of arms on the profile picture.))) Oh, about the betrayal of the Russians, just do not tell him.)))
          1. +17
            7 July 2014 09: 37
            Quote: Nagaibak
            ...
            And the Polish coat of arms on the profile picture.))) Oh, about the betrayal of the Russians, just do not tell him.)))


            "Chase" is not a Polish, but a Lithuanian coat of arms.
            We have with such banners universal Svidomo hanging around. With this blot, personally to me, everything is clear. Obviously a provocateur and a liberal zmagar.
            1. +3
              7 July 2014 10: 26
              lol "... We have universal svidomites hanging around with such banners ..."
              Sorry "svidomity" or "sadomity"? The difference in form is small, but also true in content.
            2. 0
              7 July 2014 11: 58
              Petergut] "Chase" is not a Polish, but a Lithuanian coat of arms. "
              Totally agree with you.
              On the coat of arms of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, it is also present as an integral part.))) Yes, and white and red flags in Svidomo go.)))
              1. +2
                7 July 2014 12: 20
                Quote: Nagaibak
                ...
                Yes, and white and red flags in Svidomo go.)))

                Yeah. Once it was even a state symbol along with the Lithuanian pursuit ... until Old Man dispersed the gang of traitors led by Shushkevich.
                The people called it "lard-meat-lard". laughing
            3. Semurik
              0
              7 July 2014 20: 23
              Do you personally like consumer goods?
              are you satisfied
              did you see your consumer goods only on TV? Have you encountered live? worked on his programs?

              Enough dregs here to drive on the channel !!!!

              I myself am anti-political and look at everything from an economic point of view. therefore, I have friends both in pro-government and in OPP circles.
              I ask you to take this into account when you minus me !!!
              only I personally know the AHL to judge the life of Belarus not from pictures from TV!
              1. Blot
                0
                7 July 2014 21: 11
                I don’t even know how to give thanks ...
              2. 0
                8 July 2014 00: 17
                Quote: Semurik

                ...
                only I personally know the AHL to judge the life of Belarus not from pictures from TV!


                pffff
                But I generally went fishing with Putin ... it's a pity only the dream quickly ended.
          2. +2
            7 July 2014 11: 39
            Quote: Nagaibak
            Alexander Romanov "And what about Lukashenko, he does not give anyone away? How is it that the news of the Belorusskys covers the events in Ukraine, even if they take 30 seconds or are they silent?"
            Lukashenko is also not about the blot. Etozh Pole.))) And the Polish coat of arms on the profile picture.))) Oh, about the betrayal of the Russians, just do not tell him.)))

            So the vast majority of the opposition of Belarus consists of ethnic Poles.
            1. +6
              7 July 2014 11: 56
              Quote: Orik

              So the vast majority of the opposition of Belarus consists of ethnic Poles.


              The overwhelming majority of the opposition in Belarus consists of parasites, lazy birds, lazy losers and minors dol Lobotryasov with blurred brains. However, as elsewhere in the vastness of the USSR.
              Thank God, in Belarus this shushera is not strong and is regularly cleaned.
            2. Blot
              -1
              7 July 2014 21: 12
              Then all the major cities consist only of Poles ... hurt yourself ...
          3. Semurik
            +1
            7 July 2014 20: 24
            maybe enough strength to start digging in heraldry. and therefore already trying to give birth on air "smart" thoughts ???

            I will be glad if enough)
        3. +8
          7 July 2014 10: 03
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          And what’s Lukashenko, he’s not letting anyone go? How do they cover the events in Ukraine in the news of the Byelorussian, even though they keep silence for at least 30 seconds?


          By Belarusian channels, general information on Ukraine is provided, but overall silence. However, joint channels with Russia, NTV, ORT broadcast news without cuts.

          About Lukashenko. I don’t think he’s letting anyone go.
          Even if he merges with the giblets to the West, to him this:
          - Firstly, the people of Belarus will not forgive, but this is their only and main support (there are no oligarchs in the Republic of Belarus);
          - secondly, the West will never forgive him for his policies for all previous years, even if he promises complete inviolability. There are enough precedents.
          Lukashenko is an experienced politician and understands perfectly well that he cannot survive without Russia, and somehow he also does not want to be in the dungeons of The Hague.
          And actions (not words) as a whole confirm this point of view.

          Something like this.
          1. Semurik
            +1
            7 July 2014 20: 32
            Quote: Petergut
            there are no oligarchs in Belarus


            but, for example, Chizh, Peftiev, Moshensky, Shakutin ... it's just "middle class"))))))))))))))))))))))
        4. Semurik
          +3
          7 July 2014 20: 02
          30sec. Is even a lot !!!!
          there are more important topics: the cow Zorka in Shklov got hotels ... the pioneers collected 100 kg of scrap metal at the landfill ... Kolya ate a bowl of soup and asked for an addition ...

          something like
      2. +13
        7 July 2014 09: 09
        Blot Perhaps there is no plan, but dying Russian boys when the millionth of Donetsk holds the 1000th events is simply ridiculous. Treat everything with a sober mind, and not be a balobol.
        1. Blot
          -19
          7 July 2014 09: 16
          Well, yes, you're apparently right ... I wonder if the miners still give out coal to the mountain? Coal rats ...
      3. -35
        7 July 2014 09: 11
        No need to panic. If they impose a third package of sanctions against Russia, the Russian economy will come ...
        The third package involves sanctions against industries.
        What do you think Russia creates modern weapons exclusively using only its resources?
        The supply of machine tools will cease. parts for the purchased equipment, and many many "nishtyaks" that we do not produce ourselves, but without which the entire economy will go downhill.
        1. +13
          7 July 2014 09: 13
          You seem to be happy, two-sided Russian. Only yesterday you were broadcasting that "putinsdalvseh". Now it turns out: "No need to panic". Whose will you be?
          1. -11
            7 July 2014 09: 40
            You seem to be happy, two-sided Russian. Only yesterday you were broadcasting that "putinsdalvseh". Now it turns out: "No need to panic". Whose will you be?

            I can ask you the same question.
            And the fact that the GDP made certain statements is a fact. I think a politician of this level, in this situation, should very carefully express his intentions.
            1. +6
              7 July 2014 09: 43
              Where is the question? Address.
              Essentially: 3 days ago, you wrote that you, the entire Russian people, are ashamed of the fact that our president does not send troops. Today it turns out he is doing the right thing, and then Khan is an economist. Of course, people are inherent in changing their minds over time, but so quickly ... And the whole people will not be rebuilt so quickly. So I ask - on whose behalf, from what people? Whose will be.
              My geographical place of residence is indicated on the profile. I do not broadcast on behalf of the people, I have my own, strictly personal, point of view.
              1. -3
                7 July 2014 09: 48
                You don’t know that you yourself are 15 minutes. wrote back?
              2. -4
                7 July 2014 09: 56
                Essentially: 3 days ago you wrote that you, the whole Russian people are ashamed of the fact that our president does not send troops. Today it turns out he is doing the right thing, and then Khan is an economist. Of course, people are inherent in changing their minds over time, but so quickly ... And the whole people can’t change so quickly. So I ask - on whose behalf, from what people? Whose will be.
                My geographical place of residence is indicated on the profile. I do not broadcast on behalf of the people, I have my own, strictly personal, point of view.


                Read my komenty carefully, it seems that you are a "cossack sent", a provocateur.
                I never spoke from all the people, I write only my opinion.
                About the introduction of troops always spoke negatively.
                1. +4
                  7 July 2014 10: 02
                  Now there’s no time, in the evening I’ll find it, I'll throw it in PM. But all the same, whose will you be?
                  Offhand, a comment about the shelling victims:

                  Twice RUSSIAN July 4, 2014 10:11


                  The result of the diplomatic efforts of Russia.
                  We are waiting for new victims and statements "fi" by our politicians.
                  Soon we will read how shells explode in Sevastopol.

                  The rest later.
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        3. +3
          7 July 2014 09: 16
          Learn economics, not read online bullshit
        4. Blot
          -20
          7 July 2014 09: 21
          Well, in that case, are they holding us (Putin) by the balls? Well, let him hand over everything to them! And Siberia is better right away ... If sanctions are introduced, they will get an awesome social revolt, and we may still learn to do everything ourselves! "We are dangerous because of the scantiness of our needs" - in my opinion Churchill is lousy ... So the sanctions for us, like and for the good ... Better to substitute a point for them ???
          1. +6
            7 July 2014 09: 37
            Quote: Blot
            Blot (3) Today, 09:21 ↑
            Well, in that case, are they holding us (Putin) by the balls? Well, let him hand over everything to them! And Siberia is better right away ... If sanctions are introduced, they will get an awesome social revolt, and we may still learn to do everything ourselves! "We are dangerous because of the scantiness of our needs" - in my opinion Churchill is lousy ... So the sanctions for us, like and for the good ... Better to substitute a point for them ???

            You still haven’t settled down? How much hatred is in you. And someone called, Klyaksoy. Is that how pleasant?
            1. Blot
              -3
              7 July 2014 09: 47
              Have you read my entire comment? To end?
        5. +11
          7 July 2014 09: 23
          Quote: Twice RUSSIAN
          No need to panic. If they impose a third package of sanctions against Russia, the Russian economy will come ...

          The United States is sitting and thinking about how to omit Russia, and so everything is simple-introduced 3 packages and the khan of Russia. The only question is, who is not smart, are you or in Washington?
        6. +4
          7 July 2014 10: 03
          The supply of machine tools will cease. parts for the purchased equipment, and many many "nishtyaks" that we do not produce ourselves, but without which the entire economy will go downhill.

          These, as they are called, "nishtyaks" do not play a special role. Yes, they make life more convenient, but without them can live... You cannot live without air, water, bread, but you can live without "nishtyaks". Sanctions are a minus, but sanctions are also a plus. This is an incentive to learn how to produce what we buy abroad ourselves. It won't be easy for a while, but it will be the real foundation of Russia's sovereignty.
        7. Dimassaran
          +7
          7 July 2014 10: 21
          During the USSR, no one threatened us with sanctions because it was useless. If they are led by the economy, they will gradually reorganize. There are China where you can buy everything. Only oligarchs are afraid of sanctions.
          1. 0
            7 July 2014 11: 14
            Quote: Dimassaran
            During the USSR, no one threatened us with sanctions because it was useless

            The lists of COCOM, Johnson-Vanik and other "iron curtain", and you say there were no sanctions ???
          2. +5
            7 July 2014 11: 19
            Well, about the sanctions against the USSR, you are not quite right, there were sanctions, there were. In the USSR, for example, it was forbidden to supply multi-axis control systems, because they were allegedly used to make screws that reduce the noise of submarines. But still delivered through third countries and under other names. And then we joked that the US military-industrial complex works for the Soviet military-industrial complex.
        8. +4
          7 July 2014 10: 31
          "... without which the entire economy will derail ..."
          We’ll learn to do faster ourselves, as always. Purchasing everything new only leads to the degradation of science and production.
        9. +6
          7 July 2014 10: 39
          RUSSIA IS AN ABSOLUTELY SELF-SUFFICIENT COUNTRY.
          EVEN IF THE 50 PACKAGE OF SANCTIONS IS INTRODUCED TO US THERE WILL THERE NOTHING TO FEED THE CHILDREN OR HEAT THE HOUSES?
        10. +2
          7 July 2014 19: 21
          Yes, there will be nothing wrong. We will manage with those machines that are - we bought a lot of them at one time. And if they break down, we’ll make new ones, our heads and hands are the best in the world, who would not water us with any dirt. And BB will just have to decide for himself: which way to go next and with whom.
          1. +2
            7 July 2014 21: 05
            Quote: samuil60
            Yes, there will be nothing wrong

            But what about any office plankton? Any brokers, merchandisers, weak but attached lawyers, etc.?
      4. +2
        7 July 2014 09: 14
        You are more acutely respected by the words rushing, except for Putin there are still people who in eternity you can embed at the very reluctance
      5. +2
        7 July 2014 09: 15
        Letekha! turn on your brains if you have one. Nobody handed over anyone! an ordinary tactical move. The fighters are all intact and this is the main thing in this situation. Yes, and what are the fighters? The best are the backbone of the future death of ukrofilov !!!!
      6. +4
        7 July 2014 09: 20
        Blot, as soon as Putin surrenders Ukraine to the Nazis, at the same time all the rabble will fall on Belarus. Your power has long been worth a bone in the throat of Americans! And you with such moods don’t just stand idle for a long time, hand him over for American pies !!!
        1. Blot
          -6
          7 July 2014 09: 29
          Let’s hand over Lukashenka without hesitation !!! For free !!! We have nobody for him - no one will fight at all! But our way is with Russia!
          1. +4
            7 July 2014 11: 06
            This is what is called "betrayal" "for Lukoshenko ?? no one will stand up" are you really not passable do you think that someone needs the president of a country ?? We need resources, consumers, influence in the region, control and the president, a puppet, as for example, now is in Ukraine.
          2. +4
            7 July 2014 11: 49
            Exactly the same thing was said by the Vlasovites and Bendera! We are supposedly against Stalin, but for Russia (Ukraine) ....
        2. +7
          7 July 2014 09: 37
          Klyaksa had already visited the Old Man for a long time, probably in Poland and the Baltic states at all forums at the expense of all kinds of foreign funds. and remember on whose side the truth.
          1. +2
            7 July 2014 09: 46
            Nuuu, you be careful, they will perceive this for prank and flirting.
          2. +1
            7 July 2014 09: 46
            Nuuu, you be careful, they will perceive this for prank and flirting.
          3. Blot
            -5
            7 July 2014 09: 51
            Read the comments to the end - they are throats ... And catch the thought ... And PAGONYA is your coat of arms, the coat of arms of our ancestors, who beat him a bit! And the Poles, by the way, too! I don’t care about you ...
            1. +13
              7 July 2014 10: 17
              Quote: Blot
              Read the comments to the end - they are throats ... And catch the thought ... And PAGONYA is your coat of arms, the coat of arms of our ancestors, who beat him a bit! And the Poles, by the way, too! I don’t care about you ...

              Netushka, blot, Lithuanian pagon is your emblem.

              My coat of arms is sickle-hammer.
              1. Roman070280
                +2
                7 July 2014 11: 15
                With your permission, I’ll take it on ava ..
              2. 0
                7 July 2014 12: 00
                Petergut "Netushki, blot, Lithuanian pahonya is your coat of arms."
                Very true words .. hehe hehe ...
              3. pg4
                +1
                7 July 2014 13: 58
                You can’t just take and abandon the history of your people.
                By the way, the Pursuit is present on the arms of the Vitebsk and Gomel regions, Mogilev, Rechitsa, Lepel, and others.
                1. pg4
                  +1
                  7 July 2014 14: 08
                  But the Chase on the emblem of the Russian city of Siewierz.
                  If you rummage, you can find a lot of chases in the cities of Russia and Belarus.
                2. Blot
                  -1
                  7 July 2014 14: 38
                  So for them, our story begins with a shot of Aurora ...
              4. Freegal
                -6
                7 July 2014 14: 56
                The most beautiful was the coat of arms, the modern Russian is already very ugly. It is impossible to build a powerful state, having chicken-tobacco on the coat of arms.
                1. +2
                  7 July 2014 15: 27
                  Hold the tongue of a bastard. This is a great Russian coat of arms in which Russia threw off the yoke of the golden horde and grew into territories and entered the status of great powers. And by this he is holy. How the Bolsheviks do not care about traditions and change the coat of arms as spitting gloves in their ancestors. Russia is glorious not only the 2nd World War long before it won the greatest victories under the eagle.
            2. -2
              7 July 2014 11: 01
              And also under this emblem their servants served the fascists.
            3. 0
              7 July 2014 11: 16
              They are under white and red and white.
              1. +1
                7 July 2014 12: 01
                Liasenski "They are under white-red-white."
                What a familiar rag.)))
              2. +2
                7 July 2014 14: 16
                guys, the flag has nothing to do with it. Vlasovites also marched under the white-blue-red Russian flag. This does not prevent him from being a symbol of resistance in Ukraine now. The flag, unfortunately, cannot resist and resist that any bastard would use it.
                1. Blot
                  -1
                  7 July 2014 14: 39
                  In fact of the matter!!!
                2. 0
                  7 July 2014 16: 44
                  jasorgho "Unfortunately, the flag cannot resist and resist from the fact that any bastard would use it."
                  White-red is the Polish flag. Why pity him? Poles are enemies.)))
              3. 0
                7 July 2014 15: 28
                The fact that nits used the Russian flag does not mean that it is bad. Remember where the flag came from and that Russia under it became great.
            4. 0
              7 July 2014 13: 48
              Read the comments to the end - they are throats ... And catch the thought ... And PAGONYA is your coat of arms, the coat of arms of our ancestors, who beat him a bit! And the Poles, by the way, too! I don’t care about you ...

              Drop the reference, heartfelt, from which it will be seen that the coat of arms of Belarus, and not the ghouls of overseas.
              If you prove why not to believe
              Only a reference should be convincing, not at the level of a fucking wikipedia recourse
              1. 0
                7 July 2014 14: 34
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%EE%E3%EE%ED%FF_%28%E3%E5%F0%E1%29
              2. Blot
                -1
                7 July 2014 14: 44
                Books should be read. There are a lot of books on history ... Chronicles and so on ... You certainly won't understand Belarusian, but all the same: "Іmya ў letapіse" Vitaўt Charopka. In general, there are many similar books. You just need to want to know the history of your country. And of course better than different authors. And then the big picture will spill out ... Just don't start with Aurora's shot ...
                1. 0
                  7 July 2014 18: 21
                  Geta I have at minus Strelnuu (Where U after the vowel - is read and written as U neskladova, for the sake of this incident I did not change the keyboard)
      7. +1
        7 July 2014 13: 12
        Quote: Blot
        And what to save already? Putin wavered and surrendered New Russia !!! And don't say he has a plan! A very clever plan! All. Euro-Ukrainians rejoice .... Putin-you betrayed the Russians !!! "And why was I so in love with you?"

        Something I have not heard about a single Belarusian in the Southeast and not even a kilogram of help from Belarus for the Southeast !!!
        1. +2
          7 July 2014 18: 31
          And you will not hear, and you will not see, but there is one, believe me, the old guard sergeant, we in the Gomel region already accept refugees, we are only silent.
        2. Semurik
          0
          7 July 2014 20: 42
          were you specifically interested in?

          but I've heard and know. So what? will now be measured by pussy?))))))
    2. Semurik
      0
      7 July 2014 19: 59
      Russia owes nothing to anyone but its people!
    3. Glasha
      0
      9 July 2014 14: 39
      And as quickly as possible. They believed us, naive Orthodox. And we have long served the mammon, and not the Lord God ..
  3. +11
    7 July 2014 08: 49
    If Berlin and Paris surrender to Washington ... ..Here these cities will be more important than Slavyansk ... For them, the struggle is on ...
    1. +9
      7 July 2014 09: 05
      but I thought that the struggle should be for saving LIFES
      people who speak RUSSIAN
      (Ukrainians, Russians, Armenians, Tatars, Jews, Poles ....)

      The main thing is that these people WANT to live in the Russian world
      and be faithful descendants of those who defended the independence of the country and
      the future of generations in the war of 1941-1945
      1. 0
        7 July 2014 11: 10
        I'm certainly not a strategist, but for example in 1914. The Russian Empire stood up for the Slavs and after a few years fell into chaos and plunder .....
        1. Semurik
          0
          7 July 2014 20: 43
          exactly stepped on?)
          from simple and took and joined the war, because brother in the Balkans became ill ??? Yes?
        2. +1
          7 July 2014 21: 25
          Quote: STALGRAD76
          I'm certainly not a strategist, but for example in 1914. The Russian Empire stood up for the Slavs and after a few years fell into chaos and plunder .....

          This was the reason. And the reasons for Russia's entry are different: straits, markets, etc. Russia no longer has Britain as an "ally." Austria-Hungary sees South Stream with reactors as a prospect. Turkey has Kurds. And France and Germany are allied.
          Russia did not enter the civil war in a foreign country then, but protected the Slavs from external aggression.
          And so, in fact, everything is complicated. As long as there is the United States and Europe, Russia will not rest.
      2. 0
        7 July 2014 11: 22
        Politics is a dirty business, so people's lives are not put in it first. It’s hard, but they die in war ...
    2. +6
      7 July 2014 09: 25
      Article without hesitation put a plus! There is so much "garbage" and "stuffing" that you get tired without thoughtful, balanced, in some way alternative analytics. Well done, the author, justifying nothing and no one and not "omitting", put food for thought into his head!
      1. 0
        7 July 2014 13: 29
        Thanks, I think, we will break through!
  4. +15
    7 July 2014 08: 49
    God grant that Putin's plan succeeds.
    1. +3
      7 July 2014 09: 15
      Quote: Andrey92
      God grant that Putin's plan succeeds.

      God forbid. Fate is decided, the future of generations is at stake. It is clear that Russia will no longer humble itself in the West, as in the 90s. Strength in truth, brother.
    2. Dario
      +3
      7 July 2014 09: 16
      With all due respect to you, this is just speculation! Only Putin and someone close to him know Putin's plan.
      But if everything is as it is written in the article, then this will be the unconditional surrender of the United States.
    3. -2
      7 July 2014 09: 56
      Was there a plan?
  5. -1
    7 July 2014 08: 55
    This is all very good, BUT what a pity our brothers and sisters are dying at the hands of these Mrazey. The GDP plan would have worked faster!
    1. +2
      7 July 2014 11: 15
      Get ready and go as a volunteer, Rambo damn it, or accept a family of refugees, or send money, p.i.d.i.t., my friends don’t turn their bags, there are a lot of Internet bonaparts, but there are really few businessmen "so there are no leaders" ..........
  6. +1
    7 July 2014 08: 57
    Thanks, Victor.
    As Rostislav Ishchenko said at VO, physically the West of Ukraine has already won.
    In your words, too, there are notes of the Victory of New Russia.
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  7. +5
    7 July 2014 08: 59
    Even if it’s temporary, you shouldn’t count on the help of Berlin and Paris, because they will still take the US position, which has happened more than once .... Russia is faced with a serious challenge, as has happened more than once in our history ... Germany and the rest of Europe in only the prospect of being left without gas on the eve of winter can bring consciousness ... Today, Russia needs to adopt the tactics of the USA itself: establish without a flight zone over the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk region, return the President’s right to send troops, put Kiev tight Ie ultimatum, and in case of failure to fully take control of at least the entire Southeast ... The fate of not only the Russian people of the Southeast is being decided, now the fate of all of Russia is being decided !!!
  8. gsg955
    +6
    7 July 2014 08: 59
    In Germany, there are occupying forces, the Germans' gold has disappeared in the US Treasury, reparations to Israel have been deducted for 70 years already ... Germany is not an independent state, and not De Gaulle in power in France.
  9. +2
    7 July 2014 08: 59
    it’s hard to believe that the Russian Federation will now rush to the aid of New Russia, I would like to, but ... somehow, apart from the air shock, nothing is happening so far (HOPE I AM MISTAKE)
  10. +13
    7 July 2014 09: 03
    If GDP led the Union during the heyday of stagnation, relying on its economic and military power, it would have acted completely differently. The wisdom of a politician lies in the fact that soberly comprehensively assessing the situation to make the best decision. A large geostrategic chessboard requires exceptionally well-thought-out political decisions. In alliance with the FRG and France, the States must be sent away, and then, somehow, we will deal with our European partners. The main thing now is to remove the amers between brackets. And what Putin will not give up to Donbass is for sure. If this happens, then his political leadership will be put an end to. The people will not forgive him. And he understands this perfectly. IMHO.
  11. -1
    7 July 2014 09: 09
    They no longer know how to justify the surrender of New Russia. And here are my counterarguments:

    1. New Russia now actually consists of one Donetsk - is not enough?

    2. Judging by the sight of Strelkov, it does not look like some kind of brilliant military plan.

    3. While Strelkov is holding on, Putin's rating is also holding ...

    4. Why Strelkov, after the kidalov, is trying for Russia - it is not clear ...
    1. +6
      7 July 2014 09: 18
      Sorry, but you, whose agent ???
      1. And here is the sight of Strelkov ???
      2. Where did Lugansk go ???
      3. What is the relationship between Putin's rating and Strelkov ???
      4. Do you have evidence of "kidalov" ???
      1. +2
        7 July 2014 10: 21
        Quote: B.T.W.
        4. Do you have evidence of "kidalov" ???

        Strelkov came to the Donbass from Crimea to help implement the Crimean scenario, but after Didier Burkhalter’s visit, GDP changed his intentions, and rhetoric about the media in general, Strelkov waited, waited for military-technical and military assistance from the Russian Federation, called, called and understood that he won’t wait and left with the militia, that's the situation
        1. 0
          7 July 2014 13: 33
          If, you have not read it yet, here side by side, on http://warfiles.ru/ an article "About loud accusations" Putinslil "", I recommend.
        2. +1
          7 July 2014 14: 06
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ttu8oEDwY

          here one person says interesting things. in fact, what is happening now in New Russia is believable.
          but we’ll soon find out the truth or not - 1-2 months are left
          1. nvv
            nvv
            0
            7 July 2014 14: 23
            I looked, I thank. There is a swinging boat. And it seems they are throwing for this, the last, nowhere lit up reserve. Sometimes I look at them, but I hear this for the first time.
  12. +1
    7 July 2014 09: 09
    One thing in this situation is frightening - in the geyropa with their union, only political impotent people remained. God forbid that they remember about their nation and at least some kind of historical pride awoke in them. Look at this rotten worthless Europe is no longer possible. Political prostitutes and housewives
  13. anti-beetles
    +3
    7 July 2014 09: 11
    Putin, an Eastern cunning, I think he thinks his steps forward many times. Do not forget that the US budget for the past year amounted to $ 2.849 trillion, while our 439 billion should be beaten with mattresses using their own strategy to fight in foreign territory and drive a wedge between Europe and the mattress. while the United States is playing on us, they got involved in conflicts around the world and there is no return, as for dill, I’m silent about dill, this country is bankrupt for a couple of months and the economy will be in full contact.
  14. +12
    7 July 2014 09: 11
    threatens sanctions to French and German banks,


    And new sanctions against Russia

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/429/fcqu112.jpg
    1. +1
      7 July 2014 09: 43
      Oh e .... how am I going to live after that ... laughing Well, at least let's keep our people’s nerves and psyche.
    2. Leonidych
      +1
      7 July 2014 09: 48
      burn these fagots right on stage, this will be a show!
    3. SVT
      +1
      7 July 2014 10: 43
      First of all, we don’t have such swans for free.
      secondly what is it gay? no such thing. there is a term: P AND D R S. This is a normal medical term, the term from the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is sodomy.
      therefore, Russia doesn’t have to write. Then you’ll think about what’s happening here. and yes, I'm homophobic.
      1. +3
        7 July 2014 11: 21
        Quote: Svt
        no such thing. there is a term: P AND D R A S. THIS IS A NORMAL MEDICAL TERM, a term from the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

        laughing I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. Medical term from the criminal code!

        All the same, I’ll correct you. P AND D O R A S is just a concept. The medical term is a trans. And not from the Criminal Code, but from the Criminal Code of the USSR or the RSFSR. The difference is that the teacher is a pervert, but as a person, maybe not a bad one, and P&D A S is definitely a bad rotten person, but maybe not a pervert at all. Well, that would be clear, a joke:
        "-You know Syoma, Izya is a homosexual!
        -What? borrowed money and did not give?
        -No, I'm in a good way! "

        And more ... Speak directly - I don't like homosexuals! And that "fear of homosexuals" does not paint you. smile
    4. waisson
      0
      7 July 2014 20: 24
      ----------------- hi
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  16. ramsi
    -8
    7 July 2014 09: 14
    For a long time you can already guess what Putin’s plan is: the curve will take out
  17. +1
    7 July 2014 09: 16
    All these forecasts are already annoying. Everything is said well and correctly, but why is it called "Putin's Plan", he personally whispered to the author of the GDP. I don't like it.
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 23: 19
      There is such an amazing sphere: the noosphere ... Everything is from there, they say ...
  18. +1
    7 July 2014 09: 17
    The war that is now going on between diplomats is worse than another "hot, real" war. We probably won't get to know about this! So even if our children read about it in their memoirs, at that time already retired politicians.
  19. 0
    7 July 2014 09: 18
    Apparently, Moscow, Berlin and Paris found mutual understanding in this.


    Merkel questioned the prospects for cooperation with the United States

    http://politobzor.net/show-27675-merkel-postavila-pod-somnenie-perspektivy-sotru
    dnichestva-s-ssha.html
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  21. +2
    7 July 2014 09: 30
    To be honest, I thought that our people would focus on the internal conflict in Ukropostan with the expectation of winter and the accompanying communal and other "surprises" for the population. But the option with Europe most of all resembles the truth, for some Euro media began to slip adequate information about the events in the East, which speaks of some kind of rapprochement between Russia and the Euro countries. Putin is clearly not a supporter of meat, which cannot be said about Parashenych and his owners.
  22. -4
    7 July 2014 09: 30
    Quote: B.T.W.
    Sorry, but you, whose agent ???
    1. And here is the sight of Strelkov ???
    2. Where did Lugansk go ???
    3. What is the relationship between Putin's rating and Strelkov ???
    4. Do you have evidence of "kidalov" ???

    I’m an agent whose agent you need ... And if you don’t have abstract logical thinking in order to compare facts, this is your problem! Only you know how to declare slogans ...
    1. Leonidych
      +1
      7 July 2014 09: 51
      it’s necessary to smash these ovine and Gay-European rats with their own weapons, which is called a wedge, they knock out a wedge, it is necessary to pit them and litter and breed Maidans in Berlin, Washington, Brussels, London and Paris
    2. -1
      7 July 2014 10: 31
      Agent, if you pulled on a cap with earflaps and picked up a balalaika masquerading as a Russian, then we can definitely say whose agent you are. You don’t bring a bear on a leash with you?
    3. +2
      7 July 2014 12: 13
      So far, you are throwing slogans - "boss, everything is gone !!!"
  23. +3
    7 July 2014 09: 37
    Quote: Blot
    And what to save already? Putin wavered and surrendered New Russia !!! And don't say he has a plan! A very clever plan! All. Euro-Ukrainians rejoice .... Putin-you betrayed the Russians !!! "And why was I so in love with you?"


    Blot, you're not a blot, but a crybaby.
  24. +5
    7 July 2014 09: 48
    If "Putin's Plan" provided for the death of the population in the South-East of Ukraine, then I DO NOT NEED such a "plan"!
  25. Leonidych
    0
    7 July 2014 09: 54
    and the American spy in Germany clearly helped us identify and surrender
    1. SVT
      +3
      7 July 2014 10: 57
      here it’s not necessary to demonize or praise ourselves when our merit is not there, ALWAYS the Germans had good intelligence, that KONTR reconnaissance, if you think that ALWAYS when it is profitable, there is a mishandled Cossack who is being led and fed to the deza, so once it has been revealed and revealed with fanfare, the Germans needed it, and ours had nothing to do with it.
    2. +1
      7 July 2014 21: 49
      Quote: Leonidych
      and the American spy in Germany clearly helped us identify and surrender

      Incidentally, he was initially taken as a Russian spy and had time to "report" this to Merkel in the United States. And when he began to "thrash" the Germans had a SHOCK, that's why such an indistinct reaction from Merkel ... because other speeches were already prepared.)
  26. 0
    7 July 2014 09: 55
    Good article, there is something to think about.
    1. +2
      7 July 2014 13: 42
      One head it's good, but two better!
      It's not over yet ...
  27. +2
    7 July 2014 09: 59
    I agree, "Strelkovtsy" retreated to more advantageous positions only there is nowhere to retreat further and soon the Ukrainians will pull up all their artillery to Donetsk, and then what? More corpses, more refugees? Yes, there were more volunteers in Spain. Not that people became and the sofas became softer there is no great goal ahead for which they gave their lives not at us they shoot us already without a fight. (Private of the sofa troops)
    1. +2
      7 July 2014 10: 24
      Quote: basy66
      sofas are softer

      You are mistaken, sofas of those times, leather with rollers and springs were much more comfortable, I checked it myself (my grandmother had one), the current ones made of foam do not go to any comparison :-)
    2. VAF
      VAF
      0
      7 July 2014 14: 03
      Quote: basy66
      NOT that became the people


      So the country. Unfortunately not that ... "servants of the people" .. these are really SERVANTS, but whether the people and .. they see this people wassat
      Well, the Kings ... the farther the more .. okay. Drove crying
  28. Leonidych
    0
    7 July 2014 10: 01
    and the GDP plan is this: everything is right, he doesn’t need Novorossia separately, he needs all of Ukraine and if he is chopping off part of Ukraine now, which is what the Americans want, then we will lose all of Ukraine for a very long time, and soon with the help of a wise political game, Ukraine will again be with Russia like Belarus .... patience gentlemen and comrades, patience ....
    1. +1
      7 July 2014 10: 59
      Quote: Leonidych
      and the GDP plan is this: everything is right, he doesn’t need Novorossia separately, he needs all of Ukraine

      Finally, a sensible idea! And then the thoughts of our "strategists" basically boil down to the fact that it is necessary to send troops, that is, in a simple way - to give everyone p .. yule. Here are just the level of thinking of the gateway, it does not work further than the gateway.
      They attacked Putin, such as passed Novorossia. A person, in fact, just a couple of months (!) Ago, without unnecessary words and shots squeezed Crimea is accused of weakness, betrayal and even a bunch of sins. Verily, the memory of the people is short!
      First, indeed, our strategic goal, if not a union Ukraine, a member of the Customs Union, then Ukraine with a government loyal to Russia, is for sure.

      Secondly, Novorossia is the southeast of Ukraine from Donetsk to Odessa region. Without good relations with this part of Ukraine, the problems of the actual blockade of Crimea and Transnistria cannot be resolved. AB Transnistria, by the way, is also Russian. So now, at the expense of some Russians, throwing other Russians?

      Thirdly, it is undesirable to behave in foreign policy in the same way as the United States. Significant differences are needed and people reach for us. For starters, it would be nice to push Europe and America a little apart. Let the states, in splendid isolation, impose sanctions.

      Therefore, no one gives up Donbass. It’s just that you have to wait, it’s not the time to send troops. But no one will give a final victory to Poroshenko and Avakov. Smoldering Donbass will complicate the use of coal and shale gas energy components. And on the nose autumn and winter is just around the corner. And, corresponding difficulties for the Ukrainian economy, coupled with dissatisfaction of their own population with a decline in living standards and Europe’s dissatisfaction with gas theft.

      As a result, either the Europeans will force the junta to negotiate = the federalization of Ukraine and the treaties of Russia with subjects bypassing Kiev. Or we, with the tacit or not very consent of Europe and the people of Ukraine, will send troops to Lviv itself. And to send peacekeeping troops to Donetsk and Lugansk is to get bogged down in them and not solve a single problem.
      1. +1
        7 July 2014 11: 11
        Ask yourself a question. Why is Putin such a fascist Ukraine, between whose inhabitants there was death, Russophobian, why?
        1. 0
          7 July 2014 11: 30
          I don’t understand why this cry of Yaroslavna. And what, shall we now release fascist Ukraine to NATO?
          1. +1
            7 July 2014 12: 40
            Quote: bot.su
            And what, shall we now release fascist Ukraine to NATO?

            And they will not ask, Moldova, Ukraine and Georgia are going to declare NATO allies, without membership, but with advanced capabilities
            1. 0
              7 July 2014 12: 47
              A more detailed or link?
              An ally without membership? If we take into account the decision-making procedure in NATO, then we will capture such an ally ten times, if necessary, before they reach consensus in NATO smile
    2. +1
      7 July 2014 12: 18
      Like in one US movie "... I don't need his head, I want the whole package" :)
  29. 1nik-ol
    0
    7 July 2014 10: 02
    Never fight with the Russians. For each of your military tricks they will respond with unpredictable stupidity.
    From the site http://www.inpearls.ru/O.F. Bismarck

    Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.
    From the site http://www.inpearls.ru/O.F. Bismarck

    During the Second World War, Operation Bagration, the Nazis did not expect that the Russians would go on the offensive through the swamps, and even with tanks.
  30. +1
    7 July 2014 10: 04
    In my opinion, Europe is the only thing that can hold back Putin in Ukraine. The probability that it can become independent or weaken the influence of the United States flashed. If you recall that NATO was created against the influence of Russia (then Soviet, they jumped out of the windows because of Russian tanks), if you manage to get Europe away from controlling the Americans, it will be without an unconditional victory for Russia. And Europe, it is clear that an independent Europe is much more profitable for us
  31. 0
    7 July 2014 10: 05
    Soft Power Philosophy: Americans boast that Sun Tzu’s best are students, but Putin is outplaying them, so they raise rates and go all-in. Donbass hold on.
  32. +1
    7 July 2014 10: 06
    While this tricky plan will be implemented, can we help you weakly?
  33. 3vs
    0
    7 July 2014 10: 07
    Uncle Vova, probably already your way out?

    And the inhabitants of Lugansk and Donetsk-at the rallies, not one two thousand should be for ending the war
    and a hundred to two hundred thousand, so that it could be seen from space on the ISS!
  34. +1
    7 July 2014 10: 07
    Quote: Agent 008
    I’m an agent whose agent you need ... And if you don’t have abstract logical thinking in order to compare facts, this is your problem! Only you know how to declare slogans ...

    And you, cleverly avoiding answers to specifically posed questions. And to accuse of "lack of abstract-logical" thinking, a lot of "thinking" is not needed.
  35. 0
    7 July 2014 10: 08
    Will the West help us? Something like that ...
    1. MSA
      MSA
      0
      7 July 2014 13: 38
      Yeah, he's already helping ...
  36. +1
    7 July 2014 10: 09
    Quote: Leonidych
    and the GDP plan is this: everything is right, he doesn’t need Novorossia separately, he needs all of Ukraine and if he is chopping off part of Ukraine now, which is what the Americans want, then we will lose all of Ukraine for a very long time, and soon with the help of a wise political game, Ukraine will again be with Russia like Belarus .... patience gentlemen and comrades, patience ....

    Somewhere I already heard it ...
    1. Vitalka
      0
      7 July 2014 16: 49
      In the media in early March, this topic slipped very neatly.
  37. +1
    7 July 2014 10: 11
    It may be necessary for New Russia to help more actively, but for now it’s just that the gut is thin, there are no manpower and resources, our economy, like a Trishkin caftan, is cracking, but it’s simply inconsequential, some kind of moronic laws are being adopted, time is moving back and forth, but real ones There are almost no steps for development. You can’t go far on one defense, and money can only be scraped off from sales of resources — the remaining industries are falling apart. Hence the cunning plans of Putin-Lavrov and other peppy assurances. Until we replace the liberoid government with a real one, we will continue to merge .
  38. 1nik-ol
    +3
    7 July 2014 10: 11
    I fear that foreign bankers, known for their craftiness and ingenious tricks, will take complete control of America’s vast wealth and direct them to the systematic corruption of modern civilization. They will not fail to plunge the whole Christian world into the abyss of war and chaos only so that the whole earth becomes their legacy

    Posted by Otto Bismarck •
    From the site http://www.inpearls.ru/

    Therefore, it is important for archs to tear away from America all its allies and open their eyes to the truth.
  39. Rubmolot
    0
    7 July 2014 10: 28
    The author of the article wants to tell me that the "Slavs" hope for the help of the "Old West" in liberating the territory conquered by them and their ally - the United States? recourse

    I can imagine what naivety is, but such hopes should not go beyond the boundaries of a complex psychiatric clinic.

    Please, write at least one example of the help of the "Old West" to the "Slavs" during the existence of the United States. Can?

    WWII? Without the help of the USSR, no one in the world would then be able to cope with Hitler. And after the war, who imposed the closest relationship with whom? Why not Moscow and London, but Fashington? It's not that .. The Cold War has come.

    Are there any other examples of help from the "Old West" to the "Slavs"? To be honest, I don't remember ..
    Are you writing Paris, Berlin? And what about London? He is also included in the "Old West". Only the point is that London is ruling Berlin and Paris through Fashington. Note, I did not write - "trying to control", I wrote - controls.

    If the help of the "Old West", yes, it will be early. For the sake of money, for the sake of minimizing the loss of capital, for the sake of profit. But after this "help" again only what we know from history.
    What do you think? Is it not in vain to waste time, money, energy now turning to the "Old West"?
    Is it not more profitable to orient directly to the east - China?
    I guarantee that the "Old West" itself will not ask for help for a long time, but under the conditions set by the "Slavs".
    1. DPZ
      +2
      7 July 2014 10: 39
      but I understand that we don’t need the help of the old west, we need the old west just to not bother us!
      1. Rubmolot
        +1
        7 July 2014 11: 23
        It is logical!
        And if someone interferes with your family in life, how do you act so that you do not have any losses?
    2. 0
      7 July 2014 12: 33
      Quote: Rubmolot
      The author of the article wants to tell me that the "Slavs" hope for the help of the "Old West" in liberating the territory conquered by them and their ally - the United States?


      The author of the article says that "bad" Russia wants to help Germany and France find themselves on the world stage as powers independent of the United States, without losing face for the latter.
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      2. Rubmolot
        +1
        7 July 2014 16: 54
        ... in terms of - "We willingly believe what we desire"? good
  40. leonar
    +7
    7 July 2014 10: 32
    The sixth summit of the BRIC countries and the admission of Argentina to its members should play a large role in the fight against American nits. Which will take place from July 11 to July 16. Plus a visit to Cuba, which has long been friends with Russia. These events will inflict a severe blow to the Americans. Switching to payments in euros and yuan will allow an irreparable blow to the financial system of Americans. May the Higher Powers help the Americans die.
  41. +1
    7 July 2014 10: 34
    Among the provocative articles. nice to read a competent understanding of the situation. I am glad that there are enough adequate people among the members of the forum.
  42. 0
    7 July 2014 10: 41
    Quote: ovgorskiy
    Agent, if you pulled on a cap with earflaps and picked up a balalaika masquerading as a Russian, then we can definitely say whose agent you are. You don’t bring a bear on a leash with you?

    I, unlike you, a supporter, so that the bears in the forest live, free, and not on a leash! And you can’t imagine a bear without a leash ...
  43. Alexander Comte
    +1
    7 July 2014 10: 43
    The correct comment. No snot and panic.
  44. +2
    7 July 2014 11: 12
    Quote: Moment
    This is the most acceptable scenario. A big game, big politics, where there are no rules.

    I agree completely.
    Good analysis
  45. +2
    7 July 2014 11: 33
    Quite adequate and balanced article, in contrast to those vys * r.o.v that loomed early this morning about "Strelkov against Putin" and blah blah blah ...
  46. Max
    Max
    +3
    7 July 2014 11: 36
    The author absolutely unleashed a tangle of relations between the EU, the USA and the Russian Federation. The way it is. Now the whole question is how long is Russia ready to wait and look at the systematic destruction of the people and infrastructure of New Russia. After all, it must be noted that the junta acts extremely carefully, and moves gradually, without crossing the red line for destruction and casualties in a short period of time. And I must say that this tactic with a creak but works: the front line is gradually moving away to the main cities of Novorosia. On the other hand, the retreat of the militias to a key line of defense is a tactically well-known step by Russian military leaders.
    1. +2
      7 July 2014 13: 47
      Thank. The junta has a long logistics, this is where the militia will beat on it, so that the shells will not reach the guns. Like the guerrillas in 1812, they beat French logistics.
  47. +1
    7 July 2014 11: 39
    It seems that the introduction of joint peacekeeping forces is the plan of Our Supreme. Then one hundred birds with one stone will be killed immediately. The world through the eyes of the peacekeeping contingent will see who these ukrofashists are, and the bombing of cities will stop. Poroshenko seems to be guessing about this, and with all his might, while there is time pushing the Ukrainians to a fratricidal war .... The more corpses the more organs will be taken to a geyropu ...
  48. Roman070280
    +2
    7 July 2014 11: 41
    Do not think of it as alarmism .. I really want to believe that GDP really does have some kind of plan .. and that everything that is happening now is "going according to plan" ..
    But I also understand those who, to put it mildly, are upset and dissatisfied with the latest events .. Any emotions are directly proportional to the vector of the development of events .. And if two months ago we listened to how the militia almost seized military units with a pitchfork, armed themselves, took under control of all kinds of administrative buildings, daily accepted into their ranks "over 100500 volunteers", from the only Nona they made a rustle in the camp of ukrov, while continuing to acquire more and more new equipment .. while the Ukrainians themselves only lost in this regard .. and according to reports, all those the same militias, along with the equipment, the Ukrainian army was losing the remnants of morale .. constant reports about how the police and the military go over to the side of the militia .. If this vector line is drawn like this, then it obviously creeps out not to where it suddenly found itself after recent view of Strelkov, which could only be translated as "truncated disappeared" ..
    And here you really need to have an uncommon character and - Experience, so as not to succumb to panic .. Since now it is clear that everything is far from so rosy .. and "start with Kalash, and leave with two tanks" - for me personally - this is not a merit that you should really be proud of after almost three months of confrontation .. (in this case, "you should not be proud" refers specifically to us .. to Russia .. Strelkov himself, of course, has more than one medal for this)
    And now, if we ignore these "couple of tanks", as well as several hundred dead .. including children .. what do we have in the remainder ?? So far, only just a delayed time .. This is our only "victory" at the moment .. It remains to be hoped that this is the plan ..
  49. +5
    7 July 2014 11: 48
    Well, it’s not quite one, Lukashenko is with us, China supports and many more, just everyone is waiting for Russia to officially send Obama nah ** Y, then everyone will immediately have their hands untied and they will assent in unison with Vladimir Vladimirovich, because as they say live with us, and Washington just do it on another mainland
  50. wot
    wot
    +3
    7 July 2014 11: 50
    I’m wondering when the law “Act on the Prevention of Aggression by the USA 2014” will be passed in our Duma.
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    2. +1
      7 July 2014 18: 40
      Quote: wot
      I’m wondering when the law “Act on the Prevention of Aggression by the USA 2014” will be passed in our Duma.

      They won’t accept money at home in SGA. Although bitches are rotten, but they won’t chop. request
    3. 0
      7 July 2014 20: 26
      Add fascist aggression!
  51. Roman070280
    +1
    7 July 2014 11: 51
    Quote: Hard Hrych
    Мир глазами миротворческого контингента увидит кто такие укрофашисты
    А кто такой этот мир?? Считаете, сейчас запад просто не видит и не понимает, что происходит?? Как раз всё давно видят и понимают.. а потому и умышленно искажают картину, и, как минимум, пытаются её скрыть от населения своих стран..
    А решения о вводе миротворческого контингента принимаются именно теми, кто скрывает истинное положение дел..
  52. +1
    7 July 2014 11: 54
    А что есть действительно люди которые верят что васал пойдёт против своего суверена смешно ей Богу
    1. Roman070280
      +1
      7 July 2014 11: 59
      Ну даже сами штаты в этом отношении - сепаратисты.. и когда-то восстали против Англии.. А уж сколько раз в истории рабы поднимали бунты..))
      Будем верить..
  53. pink
    0
    7 July 2014 11: 58
    Логично, время выжидания работает на Россию, народ Украины постепенно в условиях обнищания будет становиться все более революционным, а власть будет терять и без того слабые рычаги управления государством. Вот тогда, как учил дедушка Ленин, и наступит момент, когда "верхи не смогут, а низы не захотят" ....
  54. Odessa16
    0
    7 July 2014 12: 01
    А с Францией что? Она вроде давно порвала с НАТО, да и к США прохладно относится? Что с ней не так?
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 22: 08
      Quote: Odessit16
      А с Францией что? Она вроде давно порвала с НАТО, да и к США прохладно относится? Что с ней не так?

      Да бог с вами уважаемый......Нынешний президент Франции самый слабый (политически)призидент за последние десителетия , и под США он "лежит" очень плотно. Единственное его неповиновение это мистрали , и то только потому что там колосальные деньги и репутация всей отрасли , его бы свои прокляли , и бюджет бы неустойку непотянул.)
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  55. +1
    7 July 2014 12: 04
    Quote: Leonidych
    burn these fagots right on stage, this will be a show!

    Мы не фашисты, заживо сжигать не надо.Подождать поколение другое и сами вымрут, это зараза без подпитки не развивается, надо всего лишь всех изолировать от нормального человечества.
    1. Vitalka
      0
      7 July 2014 16: 56
      Ага, Сталин до середины 50-х их давил, а потом чохом амнистировал. Результат - через 60 лет, через два поколения - вылезли. Гнать в гейропу - детей у ЛГБТИ нет и не будет, а приемные арабчата быстро их молится по своему научат. Да здравствуют через 30 лет Объединенные Европейские эмираты!
  56. +2
    7 July 2014 12: 07
    в политике нет правил, есть некий формат поведения "игроков" и только, а по сему расклад далеко не однозначный и выводы еще делать рано: янки и гейропа хочет привести Украину в "порядок", но за российские баки, а не за свои, а нам это надо...
  57. С_аНе_К
    +3
    7 July 2014 12: 14
    Не знаю каких надо высот добиться в жизни и деятельности что бы позволять себе критиковать человека вытащего страну из пропасти и вернувшего ей статус великой (пока еще не супер) державы с которой считаются все в мире ....
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 22: 20
      Цитата: С_аНе_К
      Не знаю каких надо высот добиться в жизни и деятельности что бы позволять себе критиковать человека вытащего страну из пропасти и вернувшего ей статус великой (пока еще не супер) державы с которой считаются все в мире ....

      Критиковать НУЖНО обязательно любого руководителя , иначе это не руководитель а вождь! Другое дело что есть критика , а есть пустой треп.
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  58. +1
    7 July 2014 12: 48
    Чтобы зубы показать , надо их отрастить.Все правильно, надо время. Путин его не теряет зря, как некоторые пишут. Моего родственника не отпускают с работы в отпуск, т.к. сейчас оборонных заказов на годы вперед. Не буду говорить какой завод и где, т.к. многие не те здесь "пасутся". А ведь ещё некоторое время назад, были сокращения, чуть ли не оградки для кладбищ данный завод клепал(утрирую), чтобы персонал сохранить. Сохранили, теперь каждый специалист на вес золота. На таких заводах люди тоже Родине служат и крепят оборону, а не только кто на форумах глотки дерет. Нужно время России, все делается.
  59. 0
    7 July 2014 12: 50
    Quote: 222222
    ... it’s very interesting to see the change of outlook. substantiation of processes and tonality on the mainstream media ..
    Yesterday Sunday evening with Solovyov ... Solovyov is constantly the same: "there is no legal basis for the introduction of Russian troops" .. and even the UN dragged in ... and how he sang in March and May ...

    То же самое хотел написать, полностью с вами согласен!!! Вам+++
  60. russianskijbelarus
    0
    7 July 2014 12: 51
    С потеряй Славянска не потеряна Новороссия.
    Так что, не всё так одназначно...
  61. +1
    7 July 2014 12: 52
    Цитата: С_аНе_К
    вернувшего ей статус великой

    СССР был великой державой, потому что мог отстоять свою независимость перед внешней угрозой не на словах, потому что производил многое сам, потому что была какая-никакая идея, сплачивающая многих, России до это еще ого как далеко, потому что ничего из вышеперечисленного нет
    1. Zema_M.D.
      0
      8 July 2014 11: 43
      Позвольте не согласиться с Вами. Конечно, до СССР нам еще как до Луны, однако Россия - не пустое место на мировой арене
  62. 0
    7 July 2014 12: 54
    Quote: bot.su
    по простому - дать всем п..юлей.

    Самый действенный метод! Если бы его применили, давно бы уже порядок был...
  63. 0
    7 July 2014 12: 55
    А что если передислокация Стрелкова - прямое указание из Москвы. Главная его цель - удержать границу между ДНР и Россией, а из обесточеного и окруженного Славянская это осуществлять не очень удобно. Вот ему и посоветовали . Плюс ко всему перебравшись в столицу ДНР Стрелков подомнет в плане руководства те разрозненные подразделения которые действуют там.
    1. Andrey82
      +1
      7 July 2014 13: 11
      Очнись - Кургинян и Багиров, близкие к ВВП уже начали обливать грязью Стрелкова. Некий "хитрый план" условно можно назвать - 148 часов. Далее будут всё новые и новые планы - 248 часов и т.д. и так до слива Новороссии и Крыма. Встав на путь предательства предающий проходит его до конца - предавая всех и вся.
  64. 0
    7 July 2014 13: 22
    Надо ждать,как бы тяжело не было, НАДО ЖДАТЬ!!!
  65. 0
    7 July 2014 13: 35
    Большая политика и дипломатия не любят трескотни и шума. Все главные вопросы обсуждаются в тиши кабинетов. Похоже и "бойцы невидимого фронта" работают. Уж слишком вовремя всплыли телефонные разговоры главы польского МИДа и обнаружили "двойного" агента в Германии.
  66. Vladimir Dobry
    +1
    7 July 2014 13: 35
    Интересная статья. Мысли есть..
    1. +1
      7 July 2014 13: 51
      Мысли добрые?
  67. MSA
    MSA
    0
    7 July 2014 13: 42
    Никогда, нам это не надо, мы нападать ни на кого не собираемся.
  68. 0
    7 July 2014 13: 42
    Россия как будто в карты играет (сдаст не сдаст). Вот только ее "партнеры" шулеры все. А шулером все ведь просто - "подсвечником да по морде".
  69. 0
    7 July 2014 13: 59
    А вот как 30 июня 1941 года, красноармеец Середа , будучи в наряде по кухне , воевал с врагом - "Увидев бронированное чудовище, Середа поначалу решил схорониться в леске, но когда танк подъехал непосредственно к полевой кухне, а из люка высунулась наглая рыжая рожа немецкого унтер-офицера, жадно облизывающегося на бурлящий котёл, Середу взяла такая злость, что он, потеряв остатки страха перед хвалёной немецкой техникой, бросился на танк с топором. Ошалев от такой наглости, унтер-офицер нырнул в люк и закрыл его изнутри.
    Ударом топора Середа погнул пулемётный ствол, а затем, закрыв смотровые щели брезентом, предусмотрительно закреплённым на броне немцами, принялся барабанить обухом по танковым люкам. Когда на подмогу прибежали привлечённые шумом бойцы соседнего подразделения, на земле уже лежали сдавшиеся в плен четверо немецких танкистов, которых Середа держал под автоматом – для экономии места в танке штатные MP-40 тоже крепились снаружи на броне, а внутри у танкистов был лишь один Парабеллум командира экипажа." Военное дело
  70. 0
    7 July 2014 14: 14
    Quote: nicolay338
    What is the minus? Right comment)))


    Все верно-правильный коммент! Будет как в не безызвестном анекдоте -"Не суетись,сейчас потихоньку спустимся и перее...м все стадо!" winked Glory of the Great Russian Empire !!!
  71. 242339
    +1
    7 July 2014 14: 17
    Quote: BIGLESHIY
    But whether our guarantor will be able to reward him, this is a big question.

    Я верю в талант Путина. Спасибо президенту также за то, что он в такой сложнейший для России период нашел время и обратил внимание на проблему грамотности (приминить). hi
    1. Zema_M.D.
      0
      8 July 2014 11: 45
      примЕнить, если уж о грамотности тут заговорили)))
  72. 0
    7 July 2014 14: 26
    Скоро у ДНР появиться авиация. Естественно су 25 и естественно "захваченая" (купленая)у укропов smile Зря америкосы сунулись на украину, они ничего не понимают здесь у нас,ни в украинцах, ни в русских. Сидите в своем иркае или ливане и не рыпайтесь.
  73. Vik.Tor
    +1
    7 July 2014 14: 32
    Пресловутый «план Путина» по Украине, похоже, состоит в том, чтобы подключить к разрешению украинского кризиса Берлин и Париж.
    Прикол в том,что они уже подключены к штатам только сомневаюсь,что в вопросе разрешения кризиса,по моему они не хило способствуют его эскалации.
  74. -1
    7 July 2014 14: 39
    Quote: Andrey92
    God grant that Putin's plan succeeds.

    Главное, чтобы он был.
    а пока читаю кремлевскую прессу: из интервью Путина от 4 марта 2014г.
    "QUESTION: Please answer the first question. That a war can start, does it bother you?"

    VLADIMIR PUTIN: This does not bother me, because we are not going to and will not fight with the Ukrainian people.

    QUESTION: But there are Ukrainian troops, the army is Ukrainian.

    VLADIMIR PUTIN: Listen carefully. I want you to understand me unequivocally if we make such a decision - only to protect Ukrainian citizens. And let one of the servicemen try to shoot at their own people, behind whom we will stand behind, not in front, but behind. Let them try to shoot women and children! And I will look at those who will issue such an order in Ukraine. "
    http://kremlin.ru/news/20366
    He did not promise to protect the Russians in New Russia. He promised to stand behind and watch what exactly does. With the exception of the withdrawal of troops from the border, so that the ukrofascists were certainly not afraid of anything.
    Приношу Путину свои извинения публично. Он держит слово.
    Стоит позади русского народа Новороссии и смотрит, как укрофашисты насилуют и разрывают на части женщин и детей, как поголовно расстреливают мужское население в захваченных городах.
  75. 0
    7 July 2014 14: 40
    План Путина - это конфедерация Новороссии с Украиной.

    При конфедерации права местного населения будут защищены, Украина не сможет вступить в НАТО, Россия понесёт минимальные убытки. При этом Россия, конечно, должна избежать серьёзных санкций.
  76. +2
    7 July 2014 14: 49
    Quote: ARS56
    Quote: Andrey92
    God grant that Putin's plan succeeds.

    Главное, чтобы он был.
    а пока читаю кремлевскую прессу: из интервью Путина от 4 марта 2014г.
    "QUESTION: Please answer the first question. That a war can start, does it bother you?"

    VLADIMIR PUTIN: This does not bother me, because we are not going to and will not fight with the Ukrainian people.

    QUESTION: But there are Ukrainian troops, the army is Ukrainian.

    VLADIMIR PUTIN: Listen carefully. I want you to understand me unequivocally if we make such a decision - only to protect Ukrainian citizens. And let one of the servicemen try to shoot at their own people, behind whom we will stand behind, not in front, but behind. Let them try to shoot women and children! And I will look at those who will issue such an order in Ukraine. "
    http://kremlin.ru/news/20366
    He did not promise to protect the Russians in New Russia. He promised to stand behind and watch what exactly does. With the exception of the withdrawal of troops from the border, so that the ukrofascists were certainly not afraid of anything.
    Приношу Путину свои извинения публично. Он держит слово.
    Стоит позади русского народа Новороссии и смотрит, как укрофашисты насилуют и разрывают на части женщин и детей, как поголовно расстреливают мужское население в захваченных городах.

    Остальные президенты тоже стоят и смотрят, почему вы их не обвиняете? Мы простые обыватели многое не знаем. Я думаю не нужно учить Путина как руководить такой сложной и противоречивой страной как Российская Империя. Я не оговорился - империя. Ибо все что сейчас происходит ничто иное как вечная война запада с Российской империей.
    1. Zema_M.D.
      0
      8 July 2014 11: 51
      Путин спаси, Путин введи войска.... а о том, что у него 150 миллионов здесь, в России живет, о которых тоже надо заботиться никто не думает??? Он и так как белка в колесе. Я думаю, он лучше знает что, как и когда делать. Сидя дома хорошо указания раздавать...
  77. Freegal
    0
    7 July 2014 14: 49
    Может быть ожидание Путина оправдано?
    Перессорить Европу с США-ой, перессорятся эвропейские страны, глядишь и начнут по Украине работать, признают федерацию ДНР, а там и до отделения недалеко.
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 15: 21
      признают федерацию ДНР, а там и до отделения недалеко.


      Если отделятся, тогда Украина сможет вступить в НАТО, что очень плохо.
  78. 0
    7 July 2014 15: 03
    Большая шахматная партия. Война в Новороссии, как это ни больно, лишь десант, который должен погибнуть, оттянув на себя всю укроповскую армию.
  79. Janis S.U.
    0
    7 July 2014 15: 04
    Статья логичная и всё вытекает из реалий. Но не следует и забывать сугубо человеческий фактор - там ведь всё больше и больше погибают наши соотечественники по некогда общей Родине, общей истории, до сих пор общим ценностям и общему для всех нас языку. Всему есть предел и всё же момент ввода Российских войск для защиты ДНР и ЛНР от украинских нациствующих мракобесов может быть упущен. В любой Большой Игре не стоит забывать вовремя принять судьбоносное решение. При любой гибкости нельзя прогибаться до бесконечности - можно потерять всё. Успехов и мужества бойцам, что отстаивают свои семьи, свою землю, свои дома, свой язык, свою культуру и свою память о предках, которые никогда бы не смирились с фашистской или коричневой националистической чумой!
  80. 0
    7 July 2014 15: 42
    This is the right decision, this is a very wise military decision ...
    In the city of Slavyansk, it was criminal to commit suicide .. in the city, every street, every house was shot by artillery of the National Guard ..
    In the history of Russia, military commanders when they left the city saved the lives of personnel, won time and counter-attacked.
    Well done Igor Ivanovich, this is your first victory!
    Now we need to change tactics, there should be no more habitable places, constant covert movement, exhaust the enemy on a constant pursuit, change of location, catch the main guns on ambush movements, deprive them of their only superiority ....
    The enemy will be in false euphoria for some time, but at the same time they will get off their homes, thereby for some time they will be in a psychological bustle - one move is equal to one fire .... this moment must also be used ...
    You in Slavyansk gained real combat experience, rallied a strong masculine spirit — the victory will be yours!
    And you will come back to Slavyansk and will meet you there as HEROES!
  81. Puskin71
    -2
    7 July 2014 15: 42
    эх путин ты путин, слил ты русских.
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 15: 44
      отставить паниковать....!
  82. 0
    7 July 2014 15: 52
    кстати немцы, с вас и начнется ВЕЛИКАЯ ЕВРОПЕЙСКАЯ РЕВОЛЮЦИЯ, потому как только у вас и осталось собственное Я..
    а остальные все еще долго перед западом стелиться КРАСНОЙ ДОРОЖКОЙ будут ...
  83. +1
    7 July 2014 15: 56
    Quote: shishakova
    Thanks, Victor.
    As Rostislav Ishchenko said at VO, physically the West of Ukraine has already won.
    In your words, too, there are notes of the Victory of New Russia.

    Ошиблась надо читать "Восток Украины уже победил..."
  84. 0
    7 July 2014 16: 00
    Статья интересная, но никаких новых фактов нет. А никто не задумывался, почему сейчас в наше время так мало говорят о ядерном оружие как о конце света, когда я учился в школе нам говорили: - Ядерное оружие - это гарантия ненападения и в случае применения - конец всего живого на земле! Мне кажется во всем мире стали забывать об этом, в США всерьез говорят о региональном ядерном ударе. Когда последний раз проводились испытания? Если человечеству не напоминать о фатальном, то все думают что 100 кт - ничего страшного вроде как пейнтбол. США вообще проецируют на себя вседозволенность вкупе с глупостью, сочетание которое хуже обезьяны с гранатой. Одна Австралия сидит на острове и думает:- мне по-хрену я далеко! Шикарное заблуждение, что остров выживет на Земле после глобального ядерного конфликта. Хватит спать - "Человечество", еще чуть-чуть и в следующий раз на земле будет цивилизация не млекопитающих! (Крик души)
  85. +1
    7 July 2014 16: 05
    Quote: 242339
    Quote: BIGLESHIY
    But whether our guarantor will be able to reward him, this is a big question.

    Я верю в талант Путина. Спасибо президенту также за то, что он в такой сложнейший для России период нашел время и обратил внимание на проблему грамотности (приминить). hi


    А вот я не верю в мудрость или талант Путина, могу и ошибаться. А верю я в его невидимое окружение , профессиональных людей из разных специальностей. Которые все анализируют и просчитывают, думаю что и на сайте такие есть. А вот его "мудрость" и получается от выбора информации которую ему преподносят.
  86. Vitalka
    +2
    7 July 2014 16: 42
    Кажется Никита Михалков прав в своем "Бесогоне" - Россия молчит (ВВП молчит) у негра за океаном начинаются проблемы.
  87. rodevaan
    0
    7 July 2014 16: 43
    Ничего мы не просрали!
    Статья дельная! Путин правильно делает, что не влазит туда с горячей головой! Я уверен, что в правительстве, которое отнюдь не горбачевское и уж тем более не ельцинское, - лучше владеют информацией. И я думаю, что мы нанесем удар по Фашингтону в Украине именно тогда, когда будет нужно.
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  90. 0
    7 July 2014 16: 55
    борьба «за Европу» с Вашингтоном.
    нда наверно ЭТО И ЕСТЬ!
  91. -1
    7 July 2014 17: 15
    Quote: Moment
    This is the most acceptable scenario. A big game, big politics, where there are no rules.

    Может игра и большая,но помнится когда мы были по слаб же,даже в той же Осетии,мы не думали столько об больших играх и различных клубках.Мы просто действовали.Чем дальше тем игра затягивается а клубок становится больше а значит и больше распутывать будем,а может и не распутаем и людей погубим.
  92. kelevra
    0
    7 July 2014 17: 18
    Правильная позиция!Нужно заручиться если не союзниками в Европе,так хотя бы нейтралитетом тех,кто раньше поддерживал Киев!Поэтому и понятны становятся и отход войск,и тянучка России по признанию и тем же миротворцам!
  93. 0
    7 July 2014 17: 37
    После всего произошедшего на Украине появилось совсем другое мнение.
    Собственно, кремль и не уходил от политики олигархии в РФ. Таким образом зачем кремлевскому окружению, зеленые бумажки которые они не смогут потратить ни где в странах золотого миллиарда, если они и их хозяйство окажется под санкциями? Тем более в РФ они все уже выбрали до такой степени, что пользоваться этим для них невозможно, ибо там где находятся на заработках не отдыхают. Если посмотреть на вопрос, для олигархов и крупных бизнесменов, кто такие обычные работники и их интересы? Просто товар, типа обычного станка причем расходной, он должен приносить прибыль и чтобы при этом еще и не нанести вред собственным интересам, и до людей как и до их интересов собственно власть имущем глубоко плевать. Поэтому, мне что-то подсказывает, что отжатие Крыма вообще было инициативой Госдепа, который намекнул кремлю о бизнес делах и санкциях, таким образом кремль получил какой то участок территории, ускоренную трубу в Китай как противопоставление ЕС, продолжение использования зеленых бумажек в странах золотого миллиарда, а Госдеп запасы сланцевого газа, кучу мяса для убоя, рынок-морковку для ЕС, и поставки оружия в ЕС для сдерживания медведя...
  94. 0
    7 July 2014 18: 00
    Quote: Bob0859
    Waiting tactics, apparently at the moment, are the most acceptable.

    Ты это объясни родственникам погибших !!!
  95. Kir41
    +1
    7 July 2014 18: 40
    Exactly 100 years ago, the Russian patriotic community with exaltation and foam at the mouth demanded that the emperor declare war, protect the Slav brothers, smash the Germans, and so on. A year later, the same patriotic community, suddenly permeated with pacifism, with the same exaltation and foam at spoke about the horrors of war, condemned the bloody tyrant who unleashed it and demanded that it be stopped.

    For this war, Russia paid millions of Russian lives, revolution, civil war and the death of the Russian Empire. Heroes then, as now, died, and the bastards and opportunists remained alive. So, one of those Russians and Ukrainians who are shouting now on the Internet “Putin leaked New Russia!” and “Putin send troops!”, sent his son to fight in Slavyansk or did he go there to fight in the militia?

    And yet ... You need to understand that the "fifth column" will create dissatisfaction with the Russian authorities and Putin in order to arrange a "Maidan" in Moscow, as she had already organized a "Maidan" in 2004 and 2013 in Kiev, or as she once had staged the February and October Revolution of 1917 in Petrograd. It doesn’t matter to Washington under what slogans Putin will be overthrown; it is important for him to overthrow him in order to put his puppets in the Kremlin. If Putin introduces troops to Ukraine, the “fifth column” will hold Peace Marches with the slogans “The occupation of Ukraine is a shame on Russia!”, “Brothers in Ukraine!” Fascists are in the Kremlin! ”,“ For our and your freedom! ”,“ Hands off Ukraine! ” If Putin does not send troops to Ukraine, he will hold rallies with the slogans “Putin leaked the Donbass!”, “Introduce Voiskoy!” and others you already know. It doesn’t matter what Putin will do, the “fifth column” will do everything to ensure that the Russians are not happy with this and that they go to the “Maidan” (as the “fifth column”, Navalny, Satellites and Pogroms and others, had already withdrawn to the “manege”, “swamp”, “Sakharov” and “occupation”) in order to drop either the “traitor” Putin, who did not send troops to Ukraine and did not help the Russians, or the “killer” Putin, who brought troops to Ukraine and helped Russian, but started a fratricidal war.

    “Moreover, the fact that during the real war (who wants it or doesn’t want it - no matter if it is already going on) makes me publicly try to use my public speeches as an“ ideological bomb ”aimed against the current government. I already wrote and will repeat it again: having occupied Crimea, Putin began a revolution from above. This process is going on very, very hard, with constant "swaying from side to side." But he is coming. And if you do not support him now, then failure will sweep away both him and the whole country. In addition, during the war, a rebellion against the commander in chief is tantamount to treason to the Fatherland. “The Guchkov-Milyukov-Lvov and Co path,” which also at one time embodied the rebellion in the name of “saving Russia,” led to the known outcome ”- Igor Strelkov, commander of the army of the Donetsk People’s Republic.
  96. Grandfather Victor
    0
    7 July 2014 19: 04
    "Если Берлин и Париж капитулируют перед Вашингтоном…". Неужели кто либо из трезвомыслящих политиков думает по другому?
  97. 0
    7 July 2014 19: 50
    В одном из старых советских фантастических романов был такой персонаж, немец Ганс, здоровенный бугай. В романе есть такая фраза: "После третьего удара Ганс почувствовал, что его бьют". Фрау Меркель как тот Ганс: после того, как её долго и трепетно имел Обама, вдруг поняла: он может взорвать газовую трубу.
  98. 0
    7 July 2014 20: 07
    Ключевая роль во всех катавасии на Укропии и в Новороссии - позиция выжидальщиков. В Новороссии боеспособных людей около 50 - 70 тысяч человек, воюет же с укрофашистами всего 10, от силы 15 тысяч. Остальные ждут, когда Россия придет и наведет порядок. То же самое и в Харькове с Одессой - люди, которые могли бы что-то сделать на благо самих себя и своих потомков, сидят и ждут. Если бы они взялись за оружие, что маловероятно в ближайшее время, не пришлось бы России вести длительные дипломатические дискуссии с целью привлечь на свою сторону Германию и Францию, когда гибнут дети и женщины. Ситуация тупиковая, ведь мир невозможно принести извне, его нужно завоевывать самим, нацистов и ополченцев Новороссии не помирить уже никогда!
  99. 0
    7 July 2014 20: 22
    Я не очень верю, что все так просто и американцы попали в свой же капкан. Хотя, если признать, что внешнюю политику делает госпожа, работавшая кухаркой на российском рыболовецком траулере, в паре с "кетчупным королем" (пищевики вообще атакуют!), а внутри США суд принимает постановление о запрете на добычу сланцевого газа, то, возможно, это и так. Поживем увидим. В пользу всего вышесказанного говорит и такой факт. Сарко-американца (Н. Саркози) во Франции взяли под стражу. Это логичный итог "правления" проамериканских политиков в Европе? Судя по тому, что 25% избирателей в Европарламент во Франции голосует за партии, защищающие национальные интересы страны (а отбросив подтасовки - все 35%), да, это логичный итог.
  100. waisson
    0
    7 July 2014 20: 25
    -------------------------- hi

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