The separatism of Bohdan Khmelnytsky

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Ukraine’s economy is in deep crisis today, the country is on the verge of default. The question arises: "Why did the richest republic of the former Soviet Union become one of the poorest?" In the post-Soviet space, we can only compete in economic issues with Moldova and Tajikistan. How did we manage to squander the colossal economic potential? Maybe they went the wrong way? Maybe they chose the wrong guide? To answer the questions of today, you need to look back at historical way.

Kievan Rus was a highly developed medieval state. The French queen Anna, the daughter of Yaroslav the Wise, left us written messages about how much her new French subjects were inferior to the ancient Russians in cultural and economic development. After the Nicene Council of 1054, world Christianity was divided into Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Kievan Rus - the cradle of the three fraternal Slavic peoples - fell apart into specific principalities, and therefore could not resist the Mongols in the East and the Lithuanians in the West. The Pope initiates not only the crusades to Palestine, but also contributes in every possible way to the besieging of the Teutonic and Livonian knightly orders at the borders with Orthodoxy. The task of the knights is to conquer the infidel Orthodox, to exterminate the stubborn, who remained to convert to Catholicism, and to put their lands in the service of the western Catholic civilization. Thus began the geopolitical struggle between the West and the East, which does not stop until today.

During this time, Ukraine managed to visit the “European Union” - Commonwealth, but for some reason, Ukrainians, who did not betray the faith of their ancestors, did not convert to Catholicism, were second-rate people. The Orthodox nobleman Bogdan Khmelnitsky became the first Ukrainian (although the concept of Ukraine did not exist then) a separatist who returned the Ukrainian people to the bosom of Slavic-Orthodox civilization. The relations of the Ukrainian hetman with the Russian autocracy were far from smooth and rosy, as Soviet historiography represented. But at that time it was the only right choice.

After the Pereyaslav Rada, the Grand Duchy of Moscow was transformed into a great empire, and the Ukrainians became an impregnating nation. Without an active political activity of such Ukrainians as Prokopovich, Bezborodko, Razumovsky, Skoropadsky, there would be no Russian Empire. And if you recall the Soviet empire - the USSR, the Ukrainians were the dominant ethnic group in the ruling class: the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, members of the Politburo, secretaries of regional committees, generals and marshals. What I mean is that some of my fellow historians in school textbooks tell tales of how “Muscovites” mocked the Ukrainians, hushing up the facts that repression and hunger concerned the whole huge country, and not only Ukraine.

After the death of Bogdan Khmelnitsky in Ukraine began the period of the Ruins. The successor of Bohdan - Ivan Vyhovsky - tried to return Ukraine to the Catholic "European Union", Yury Khmelnitsky tossed between Moscow, Warsaw and Istanbul. Peter Doroshenko was focused exclusively on the Turkish Sultan. It was mainly the common people who suffered from these rushing of the ruling elite, who from constant wars and a deep economic crisis were looking for a better life in the territories of Poland and Russia, settling in modern Slobozhanschyna. The second Ruin began after the October Revolution and the collapse of the Russian Empire. The third - after the collapse of the Soviet Union. It continues to this day. New hetman presidents pull Ukraine in different directions and are torn between Moscow, Brussels and Washington. Behind each of them stands the new Cossack officers - the modern oligarchs, and the very same Ukrainian people are suffering.

So what is the reason for our failures? Why do the Slav brothers look at each other today through the scope of various weapons? It is necessary to honestly admit that Ukraine has become a battleground for its geopolitical interests between the West and the East, between the USA and Russia. While Russia was rising from its knees after the collapse of the Union, Ukraine was not of particular interest to the West, and as soon as the Russians got stronger, Ukraine and other post-Soviet states began to shake all sorts of color “revolutions”.

The concept of the West on this issue was clearly formulated in his book “The Big Chessboard” by the American politician and scholar Zbigniew Brzezinski. He argues that Russia is doomed to be a minor Asian country until it integrates in the post-Soviet space — primarily with Ukraine. Z. Brzezinski appeals to all future presidents of the United States with an insistent desire not to let Ukraine into Russia's arms in order to prevent the “Russian Empire” as a great state from being revived, reasonably explaining that in this case the Americans will again have to share world leadership.

The American “son-in-law” - V. Yushchenko, who over the years 5 did not bother to draw Ukraine into NATO, despite the huge evergreen investments in his person, brought great disappointment to overseas politicians. The West had to reorient itself in its aspirations and hopes for a “lady with a scythe”. And then, you see, and the pro-Russian in the past, Yanukovych led Ukraine in the right direction - to associate membership in the European Union. Why did you lead without considering the economic consequences? Yes, because in the Ukrainian oligarchic regime, the country is not led by presidents and ministers, but by oligarchs. Over the years of independence, we have replaced 5 presidents and 19 governments, and only the oligarchs remain unshakable pillars of Ukrainian statehood. For their well-being, the European market is preferable to the Russian one, and their Russian colleagues, as richer ones, are dangerous competitors.

In order not to “lose” Ukraine, the United States, not only through its high-ranking officials, “fed” activists and organizers of the Maidan. During the 23 year of independence in Ukraine, a generation grew up that studied domestic history from textbooks written in the USA and Canada (O. Subtelny, D. Mayes). Every year, thousands of students visit the United States through various charitable organizations, and hundreds of Ukrainian military personnel improve their skills overseas; structures of Ukrainian civil society are being created for American dollars - all kinds of funds, centers, and media. If in the XVII century the Ukrainian foreman alternately kissed the cross on fidelity to the Polish king or the Tsar of Moscow, now he is ardently bending in the back in front of the American ambassador.

It is necessary to recognize nevertheless that the Ukrainian nation reached its greatest prosperity in close unity of the fraternal Slavic peoples. We are proud of the history of Kievan Rus, the Russian Empire, the USSR. We do not like to recall the Lithuanian-Polish, Tatar, Turkish, Austrian, Nazi occupation. That is why our business does not go, that at the birth of the state of Ukraine the godfathers were completely alien to us. Instead of a Christian cross, the pagan symbol of Prince Vladimir was hanged on the chest of Orthodox Ukraine. Having converted to Christianity in 988, he cruelly refused to accept pagan symbolism — he drowned pagan gods in the Dnieper and defiled pagan temples.

Swaddled "nenku Ukraine" in the flag of the Ukrainian People's Republic. Chairman of the Central Rada, Professor of History M. S. Hrushevsky, suggested that the yellow-blue flag be made a symbol of the new state to the UNR parliamentarians as a symbol of the new state from the considerations that in the Battle of Grunwald in 1410, Russian regiments appeared under such banners. But the professor did not specify that the Russian regiments were represented only by the Galician-Volyn kingdom. The fact is that the coat of arms of the city of Lviv, which became the capital of the principality, and then the kingdom, is a golden lion on a blue background. Therefore, in order not to get lost in the army of thousands of representatives of different countries and nations, medieval Russian warriors raised yellow-blue banners above their heads (yellow color is on top, and blue is below).

An attempt to change the colors in some places was made by hetman P. Skoropadsky. The hetman was convinced that the yellow-blue colors have nothing to do with Dnieper Ukraine, that these are purely Galician symbols. The color of the banners of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, described in written sources, often changed, but the most preferred was crimson. Then, in order not to sew new flags (the treasury was empty), the hetman changes colors in places. He is credited with the idea of ​​a blue sky and a gold field, in order to somehow legitimize these colors for the Dnieper region.

Speaking of history, it is impossible not to remember that the future state symbols of Ukraine — the emblem and flag — were used as elements of military uniforms of the SS division “Galicia” during the Second World War: a cockade with a trident and a yellow-blue sleeveless chevron. It was this fact that determined that not yellow-blue, but blue-yellow prapor got into the Constitution of Ukraine. Our Chinese friends from 1996 and still throw letters at the Ukrainian embassies, claiming that, according to Feng Shui, is blue above and yellow below is a road to a dead end.

And now about the lullaby - about the hymn. The poem "Ukraine has not yet died" was written by Pavel Chubinsky in the 60-ies of the XIX century, during the Polish uprising against the Russian autocracy. This was the answer-support of the Polish military anthem Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła. During his lifetime, P. Chubinsky recalled how this poem, which later became famous, was written. He argued that the idea to write such a poem arose at the youth party of the Ukrainian-Polish student intelligentsia. Then the details of the Polish uprising were vividly discussed, the youth admired examples of the heroism of the rebels and even sang their battle hymn.

After that, as P. Chubinsky recalled, he took a piece of paper and a pencil, wrote down the first line in which he expressed the thought that not only Poland, but Ukraine had not died yet and was ready to fight against Russia. The youth team, putting down the glasses of wine, joined together in the creative process. In the line “Zinnut our vorozhkі” means the Russians- “Muscovites”; “Ukraine vіd Syanu to Don” is the Polish – Lithuanian Commonwealth. When the poems banned by the government came to Pavel Verbitsky, he decided to put them on music, after removing a few lines, namely:

“Bogdane! Bogdane! Glorious our hetman!

Navi viddav Ukraine Muscovites trash? ".

It is quite natural that all the state symbols of Ukraine, drawn from history as anti-Russian, anti-Soviet (SS division "Galicia"), will contribute not to the establishment of friendship and mutual understanding between the fraternal peoples, but to the formation of hostility. With the same purpose, the cult of Hetman Mazepa was created in Ukraine. Not because he was a prominent military or political figure. His merit is that he betrayed the Russian Tsar. Ukrainian history textbooks are silent about the fact that he consistently betrayed the Polish king, right-bank hetman Doroshenko, left-bank hetman Samoilovich, princess Sofia, and even intended to betray the Swedish king Karl, but failed to agree on his forgiveness with Tsar Peter. Documents confirming these facts were published in the 19th century by the historian Panteleimon Kulish.

Euromaidan also contributed to stirring up anti-Russian hysteria. Let us recall that not only portraits of S. Bandera, but also all sorts of fascist and neo-Nazi symbols decorated the places of accumulation and overnight stay of the right radicals. But this is not important. It’s much worse that after Euromaidan, ordinary Ukrainians and prominent politicians began to shout in unison: “Glory to Ukraine! - Glory to heroes!". The words are wonderful, but the slogan itself is “delicate”. This slogan appeared in the middle of the 30-s of the XX century in the military structures of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. First, under these exclamations, Poles were slaughtered and killed, and in the 40s and 50s of the last century, teachers, agronomists, and land surveyors — young girls — were executed, all of which was to be sent to work Western Ukraine.

How to overcome another Ruin in our history?

1. Reload our state, symbols, foreign policy. Ukraine should become the center of the fraternal Eastern Slavic world and Orthodox civilization. Internationalism is the unbreakable principle of domestic politics.

2. Business must be removed from power.

3. The base for the official should be the salary of the school teacher. The president receives, for example, 5 salaries for teachers, the minister and deputy of the Verkhovna Rada - 4. No benefits.

4. To fight corruption, create an Anti-Corruption Committee, whose employees will not be appointed, but will nominate their best representatives to individual enterprises and institutions as the conscience of their team, and be responsible for their impeccable service. It is advisable to return the death penalty for repeat offenders and bribe-takers.

5. The decentralization of power and the consolidation of the subjects of the administrative-territorial structure. Donbass - 3 areas; Galicia - 3 area; Sloboda - 2 areas; Skirts; Dnieper, etc. This will reduce the cost of management staff.

6. Literate humanitarian policy. By all-Ukrainian referendum to determine our heroes, our traditions and holidays. Only a territorial community, and not a visiting group of revolutionaries, can decide which monuments should stand on its territory.

Political elites should remember that any interstate union is fraught with the loss of part of sovereignty, and the rejection of the national army, recruited through the recruitment of recruits, and the transition to the army on a contractual basis is possible only in the collective security system of a group of states.
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  1. Yaks
    +32
    6 July 2014 14: 54
    How can one reform what is no longer.?
    1. portoc65
      +18
      6 July 2014 14: 57
      Yes, and there was no time .. Ukraine is a walk field ... Where power is a product of purchase and sale
      1. +19
        6 July 2014 16: 14
        Quote: portoc65
        Yes, and there was no time .. Ukraine is a walk in the field ...

        I do not agree!
        Ukraine for me is Bogdan Khmelnitsky with Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, Khortytsya, Bakhmut (Bakhmut shly), cut down Cossack stone crosses in our cemetery, Taras Shevchenko (little garden of the hut), but not all this Bendery drag.
        Kuban in this case, too, no .. but it is. And this part of the population with its history cannot be ignored.
        1. +11
          6 July 2014 16: 28
          Quote: Vesnik
          Kuban in this case, too, no .. but it is. And this part of the population with its history cannot be ignored.

          With all due respect to you, you still grabbed Ukropropagandy. I hope you know the history of the origin of YOUR city?
          1. +2
            6 July 2014 23: 25
            From the article smacks of historical illiteracy, such as "Nicene Council of 1054"? belay There were two Nicene cathedrals in the history of Christianity in 325 and 787; in 1054 there was a split of Christianity into Orthodoxy and Catholicism, it is not a cathedral at all.
        2. 0
          6 July 2014 16: 59
          Vesnik
          Kuban in Russia. Awww! and Crimea too. How do you feel about this?
        3. +6
          6 July 2014 19: 18
          Quote: Vesnik
          I do not agree!
          Ukraine for me is Bogdan Khmelnitsky with Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, Khortytsya, Bakhmut (Bakhmut shly), cut down Cossack stone crosses in our cemetery, Taras Shevchenko (little garden of the hut), but not all this Bendery drag.

          I agree with that. And I'm really sorry that now Ukraine has practically disintegrated, and will still fall apart. All this from the direct filing of the states (their training and money). Russia needed a strong and independent fraternal country with which it was possible to conduct normal neighborly relations. Unfortunately Bender's and Russophobic sentiments will not go anywhere on their own. The States are doing everything to ensure that Russia has a constant "hot" point close by ..
        4. +7
          6 July 2014 21: 42
          At the time of Bogdan, it was not Ukraine, but Getmashchina (previously the Commonwealth, Prince Lithuanian). Ukraine (Outskirts) these lands were called the Grand Duchy of Moscow from the 16th century, and it became a self-name in the 20th century, having been before Little Russia and New Russia.
          Kuban is a multi-ethnic entity with a predominance of immigrants from Little Russia. The same can be said about the West of the Rostov region, where Slobozhans prevail. Each of us has our own and common history, which are interconnected. Only the Galicians mentally and partly ethnically left the East Slavic brotherhood after a union with the Vatican. This is their choice, but now they are trying to impose it on all Little Russians and even parts of the Great Russians. This is their fatal mistake.
      2. +1
        6 July 2014 23: 31
        Quote: portoc65
        Yes, and there was no time .. Ukraine is a walk field ... Where power is a product of purchase and sale


        what I read - 1. Eduard Stavitsky, the excess of expenses over incomes 300 times
        Position - Minister of Energy and Coal Industry from December 2012 to February 2014
        Revenues - 2,7 million UAH
        Costs (hereinafter - the assessment of Transparency International) - more than 800 million UAH

        2. Vitaliy Zakharchenko, 31 times
        Position - Minister of the Interior (11.2011 - 02.2014)
        Revenues - 4 million UAH
        Costs - 127 million UAH

        3. Pavel Lebedev, 6 times
        Position - Minister of Defense (12.2012 - 02.2014)
        Revenues - 7,9 million UAH
        Costs - 53,5 million UAH

        4. Andrey Ignatov, 36 times
        Position - Deputy Minister of Revenue and Duties (04.2013 - 03.2014)
        Revenues - 7,9 million UAH
        Costs - 52 million UAH

        5. Alexander Oliinyk, 155 times
        Position - First Deputy Minister of Defense (02.2012 - 03.2014)
        Revenues - 232 681 UAH
        Costs - 36,5 million UAH

        Box K.ru
    2. +37
      6 July 2014 15: 06
      Kievan Rus - the cradle of three fraternal Slavic peoples - broke up into specific principalities,

      I looked at the resource - Ukrainian. We are always told about the three fraternal peoples. There were no three peoples. There was and is one people artificially divided into three, in order to weaken and divide.
      1. +18
        6 July 2014 16: 17
        Hitler once said - "We will then defeat the Russians when Belarusians and Ukrainians believe that they are not Russians."
        1. SLAVJYNIN
          0
          7 July 2014 00: 10
          In the course of the Americans re-read Hitler !!! Though learned to read !!!
    3. Matroskin 18
      +15
      6 July 2014 15: 23
      The article is good, explained in some detail, however, in my opinion, it came out late. I consider current events irreversible ...
      1. +6
        6 July 2014 15: 55
        and the author is the most naive
      2. +11
        6 July 2014 17: 00
        but for some reason, Ukrainians who did not betray the faith of their ancestors did not convert to Catholicism,

        There is no such nationality "Ukrainian". This is the place of residence or citizenship.
        1. +3
          6 July 2014 19: 34
          Yes, these ghouls in Ukraine, even in African countries, when filling out the questionnaire are written by the residents of Russia. Well, is this blasphemy. Cunning ... e Judas.
          1. -2
            7 July 2014 00: 16
            Quote: PTS-m
            Yes, these ghouls in Ukraine, even in African countries, when filling out the questionnaire are written by the residents of Russia. Well, is this blasphemy. Cunning ... e Judas.

            I wrote in the USSR that the Ukrainian.
            another thing is that for the bourgeois there is no difference
            do not dare obscene drive unreasonable
      3. Gloria45
        +3
        6 July 2014 20: 00
        I found an article that makes me tremble. Cynicism goes over everything
        borders! Off topic, but I can’t share. Venue - Ukraine,
        the characters are well-known and little-known, please get acquainted.
        Punishers took organs from living people for sale

        On the Internet discuss the results of hacking a Facebook account of a former lawyer of Yulia Tymoshenko Sergey Vlasenko. His correspondence with the German doctor Olga Viber and the commander of one of the battalions of the Ukrainian National Guard, Semyon Semenchenko, became publicly available. Parties discuss organ trade.

        A woman doctor, Olga Viber, is urging Vlasenko to provide supplies of organs as soon as possible, in exchange she promises to provide the Ukrainian military with material and technical support. On April 15, when the Kiev authorities launched a military operation, Viber wrote: "Judging by the news, events are in our favor. Do you think the course will not change?" Vlasenko replies that he will have something to work with, thanks to the help of Western partners.

        In other messages, Viber "pleases" with the news that the next batch sold well, customers are satisfied and there are many new customers. She describes in detail what orders are needed, for example: "17 hearts, 50 kidneys, new livers in the amount of 35 pieces, 30 pancreas and 5 lungs."
        Vlasenko promises to cope in response. Viber periodically scolds him for poor-quality supplies, he in his defense complains about the difficult working conditions. During one of these conversations, the doctor calls on the supplier to “start working as before,” that is, to remove organs from the seriously wounded and dying people who are still alive. Vlasenko says a resolute "no". Not for moral reasons: he was banned by the head of the SBU, moreover, he himself is afraid of publicity.

        For a low-quality batch, Vlasenko himself attacks the supplier Semyon Semenchenko, the commander of the "Donbass" punitive detachment. He promises to try. Vlasenko demands that Semenchenko make a new "seizure" by technology.

        Olga Viber: "Here I am. Our second batch sold well, customers are satisfied, new ones have appeared. Judging by the news, events are in our favor. Do you think the course will not change?" - "It is not expected, it will work with something!" Our Western partners "by their policy create good conditions for us and, most importantly, quantity!" - Vlasenko replies.

        “Orders are growing, do you have enough people?” The supplier's doctor asks. “As long as we manage with the same resources, we just work harder, no one will refuse more earnings,” the lawyer notes.

        "Seryozha, I still gave you an order, but the last batch contained a lot of low-quality goods! You set me up with this," Viber says indignantly.
        - "Ol, you have not been here, you do not see how everything is happening, and the conditions are becoming more difficult," Vlasenko complains.
        In response, she suggests: "Maybe then it is better for us to work as before? At least there is normal access to the difficult and hopeless, and the conditions are not much worse?"
        - "On my part, this is out of the question, you and Nalyvaichenko said this in the last conversation! There is a big risk of leakage and too many questions from the local staff, I don't want to get involved with this anymore!" - writes Vlasenko.

        "We are having problems with the last batch! A lot of substandard goods have arrived, our customers are unhappy!
        https://www.facebook.com/pages/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%9C%D0%B8
        %D1%80-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3-%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81/814519445243805
        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1767339 zdes' esche video
        1. 0
          6 July 2014 23: 35
          Yes, they wrote about this three weeks ago on the site! And you just found out ....
    4. +2
      6 July 2014 16: 46
      Obvious manilism, and nothing more.
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    6. +3
      6 July 2014 17: 54
      In 1646, King Vladislav decided to fight the Ottoman Empire and invited Khmelnitsky and several other Cossack chieftains to his conversation. He decided to organize an attack on Turkey in the form of another uprising of the Cossacks. The Sejm considered the war inappropriate and forbade the king to start a war with the Turks, but the army would give money to suppress the riot. By the time of the meeting, the Cossacks (with the consent of the king) will “tear up” the formation of the local “elite” and will already be reported to hit the Turks. But King Vladislav is dying, and the uprising (on the dowry of the King’s French wife) has already begun ...
      PS Modern Jews have the second hate, after Hitler comes the Ukrainian Cossack hetman Bogdan Khmelnitsky.
      The period of their life in Poland in the 13-17 centuries, until 1648 - until the Cossack uprising led by Bogdan Khmelnitsky, the Jews called the "Golden Age". The famous Jewish historian Semyon Markovich Dubnov commented on this period of the dominance of Jews in Poland:
      “By the beginning of the sixteenth century, Jewry in Poland had already become a major economic and social force, without which the country could not do”, “Poland became for Jews what they were in ancient Babylonia, and in the Middle Ages - Spain ...”.
      “Those temples, whose parishioners could not be converted into a union by any violence, were leased to Jews; the keys of the temples and bell towers turned into Jewish taverns ... I had to pay up to five thalers for each liturgy, the same for baptism or burial (quote from Filaret's “History of the Russian Church)”
      This is what the Polish priest, Lviv priest Yusefovich of Lviv testified, apparently worrying about his “workmate,” and genuinely shocked by the general outrageous practice:
      “The Cossack priest, simply called the priest, could not perform the sacraments of baptism, weddings and others in his church if he did not pay the Jews for the keys in advance by the payment established by the panel and had to carry them and give them to the Jews every time.”
      In eastern Poland, in today's regions: Lviv, Rivne, Zhytomyr, Gomel, Brest, Mogilev, Grodno, and in Lithuanian regions - in towns and cities, Jews made up the majority of the population, and Jewish was the everyday language even for peasants who were forced to know him.
      PP.S In 1787, the Black Sea Cossack army was created from the parts of the former Zaporizhzhya Cossacks by the Russian government. For the troops, the territory was allocated between the Southern Bug and the Dniester with the center in the city of Slobodzeya.
      In 1792, the army was relocated to the Kuban, where Cossacks founded 40 smokers with a center in the city of Yekaterinodar.
      In 1860, the army was renamed the Kuban Cossack Army.
      1. +2
        6 July 2014 19: 36
        The Black Sea Cossack army was revived in Tiraspol. It has a status and protects the borders of Transnistria along with border troops. Service in the Cossack troops counts as military service, which is not even in Ukraine. There is a separate law on Cossacks. http://iov.ucoz.ru/index/0-25
      2. 0
        7 July 2014 00: 08
        Quote: knn54
        In 1646, King Vladislav decided to fight the Ottoman Empire and invited Khmelnitsky and several other Cossack chieftains to his conversation. He decided to organize an attack on Turkey in the form of another uprising of the Cossacks. The Sejm considered the war inappropriate and forbade the king to start a war with the Turks, but the army would give money to suppress the riot. By the time of the meeting, the Cossacks (with the consent of the king) will “tear up” the formation of the local “elite” and will already be reported to hit the Turks. But King Vladislav is dying, and the uprising (on the dowry of the King’s French wife) has already begun ...
        PS Modern Jews have the second hate, after Hitler comes the Ukrainian Cossack hetman Bogdan Khmelnitsky.

        a little bit wrong, the king wanted the path of Batory (Stefan) and destroy the stupid self-government of the Sejm. The way-war with the Turks, a means of introducing mercenaries and militias + Cossacks. The funds of the dowry of my daughter had to be paid when the plan was revealed (Kisel transferred arrows to the Cossacks) to the German mercenaries for leaving.
        Bogdan just began to be persecuted, and Vladislav died after his son, and about his death Hops mourned no less than his daughter .... by the way, they both lost their sons
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    8. +6
      6 July 2014 18: 23
      Quote: yaks
      How can one reform what is no longer.?

      In the words of the satirist Khazanov, "The outcome of the meeting was summed up with the words - Shitty!" Ukraine is now waiting for a scenario of complete collapse like the Balts, who even before joining the EU howled and understood! But the puppet governments are trying to put on rose-colored glasses on the citizens they donated not for a sniff of tobacco !!! And only he alone knows how the current situation will develop!
    9. +8
      6 July 2014 18: 50
      Ukraine realized that Russia threw off a Ukrainian leech. Now we have to try to stick to Europe. Plus, we’ll also add an army of non-working people to Europe, that is, Molotov’s cocktail and leeches in one bottle.
      1. -3
        7 July 2014 00: 13
        Quote: Moment
        Ukraine realized that Russia threw off a Ukrainian leech. Now we have to try to stick to Europe. Plus, we’ll also add an army of non-working people to Europe, that is, Molotov’s cocktail and leeches in one bottle.

        what is the "leech" of Ukraine?
        And What has Ukraine "understood"?
        If you are hinting that the discount on gas "fed" Ukraine, then you are deeply mistaken confusing the people and the group of specific individuals, who with the faces letting go of Russian gas at the same time. \
        The people of Ukraine certainly did not suck this gas ...
        It is unlikely that Russia "feeds" Ukraine and never did ... We worked together.
        But maybe the market ... doesn’t fit. Loans, yes ... but government and people are two different things.
    10. +1
      7 July 2014 03: 49
      Come into the sites of maydanuti in the morning, communicate, explain who how can. This is also a war. info. really banyat quickly. as soon as they see the Russian flag even
  2. portoc65
    +22
    6 July 2014 14: 55
    In Ukrpov, the hero is not Bogdan Khmelnitsky but Mazepa .. In dill, the heroes are traitors .. Even there is no money on Khmelnitsky banknotes .. but there is Mazepa
    1. +39
      6 July 2014 15: 13
      Quote: portoc65
      In Ukrpov, the hero is not Bogdan Khmelnitsky but Mazepa.

      Mazepa's peculiarity is that he is @ urak. He betrayed at the age of 68, betrayed the one to whom he had served all his life, served his ancestors, and was this friend DONELZA kindly. Mazepa received the highest award of the Russian Empire, - Andrew the First-Called, - second number. And Peter I himself is only the seventh. Mazepa betrayed a fellow believer, and went over to the side of a foreigner with alien faith, after this betrayal he received nothing, lost everything and died like a dog cursed even by his closest associates. And, his betrayal was marked by a brilliant victory for the side that he had betrayed.
      It is necessary to BE ABLE! So Mazepa is really unique, a national hero, like Romanian Dracula. Changed the order of the apostle to the order of Judah. And now in Ukraine they have made the order of Mazepa himself, they reward themselves and rejoice like Yak Ditas. Which, you see, is CHARACTERISTIC.
      1. portoc65
        +11
        6 July 2014 15: 17
        I’m shocked-Ukraine is a field of miracles in the country of fools ... Although I don’t squeeze it like that .. Worse than Poles in Russophobia ..
      2. +7
        6 July 2014 15: 58
        And, his betrayal was marked by a brilliant victory for the side that he had betrayed.
        Dear Z.O.V.! History spirals and repeats. And we will be witnesses to this with you!
        1. 77bob1973
          +3
          6 July 2014 19: 36
          This is our story going in a spiral, and in Kiev it moves in a circle.
    2. +6
      6 July 2014 15: 29
      5 hryvnias - Bogdan Khmelnitsky, 10 - Mazepa. no need to put comments without diving deeply.
    3. +10
      6 July 2014 16: 27
      Quote: portoc65
      In Ukrpov, the hero is not Bogdan Khmelnitsky but Mazepa .. In dill, the heroes are traitors .. Even there is no money on Khmelnitsky banknotes .. but there is Mazepa

      The thing is that the culture of Western Ukraine is constantly being imposed and everything is presented as a "one-correct Ukraine" with its incomprehensible "pro-Polish carols", the Catholic faith, the constant performance of "some" theirs, "not our" priests ... and so constantly and all the time from scratch for 23 years.
      The dances did their job. La-la-la, tra-la-la ... it has come to cleansing out the "infidels" - who do not share the "revolution of guiding" ...
      They have all "their" stupid story betrayed by everyone and everything. And they constantly received "in the face" at all times and centuries .. does not reach ..
      Well .. have to "snatch" and this time. This is inevitable, sooner or later, with or without us, even if we are all killed here. No doubt about it.
    4. +1
      6 July 2014 16: 33
      I will correct, on the bill of 5 hryvnias there is Khmelnitsky.
      1. +3
        6 July 2014 17: 22
        Quote: 17 number
        I will correct, on the bill of 5 hryvnias there is Khmelnitsky.


        And on bill 10 - mazepa. Mazepa to the Ukrainian state is more expensive than Khmelnitsky.
    5. -1
      6 July 2014 18: 41
      Quote: portoc65
      The Ukrainians have a hero not Bogdan Khmelnitsky but Mazepa .. The Ukrainians have heroes-traitors .. Even on the banknotes of Khmelnitsky there isn’t ... but Mazepa

      I have a slight impression that either the people are not educated or they are not on the Internet .. and since a post on the Internet means the first
      You are talking nonsense, and you can check it, but you still carry it. And swearing is useless.
      In addition to betrayal, Mazepa did a lot of things for both Ukraine and Russia. You need to look at the root and not just one thing.
      His merit is not in betrayal. Although you can not argue that you even could not check the information on banknotes ....
      You got with your false information. You are from the censor no longer no different!
      1. +6
        6 July 2014 21: 21
        Crystal, even a bunch of good things that have been done, can be easily crossed out in one act. Here are examples of a good campaigner Kostsyushko and compare a good campaigner, general of the Cossack units Grombchevsky? Even the little Jew - Mason Abrasha Lincoln (who gave freedom to all types of "Nigeria") - did not give up the idea of ​​American Indian genocide ?! am As Khrushch (he was Ukrainian) and Gorbachev conceived everything well, and what came of it? Correctly one excesses and a mess! And there’s nothing to talk about Mazep ...
        It's time to remember that just one bad attack can negate 250 good deeds and remember you precisely because of the bad. PS: There is nothing to do propaganda here from the 5th column. Better for your city - tell me about Jewish glory. The inhabitants of Odessa survived and turned the hero city into a corrupt woman of easy virtue. And in the social. networks one chatter: - "Odessa will not forgive! Odessa will not forget!" The putsch and the Black Hundred pogroms were allowed - now you cluck like a flock of chickens.
  3. +23
    6 July 2014 14: 55
    "After the Pereyaslav Rada, the Grand Duchy of Moscow was transformed into a great empire, and the Ukrainians became an empire-building nation."

    What nonsense does this kume write?
    By the time of the Pereyaslav Rada (1654), the Grand Duchy of Moscow had long been (since 1547) the Kingdom (conquered Kazan, Astrakhan, Siberia)

    "that in 1410, in the Battle of Grunwald, Russian regiments performed under such banners. But the professor did not specify that the Russian regiments were represented only by the Galicia-Volyn kingdom."

    And has the author ever heard of the Smolensk regiments under Grunwald?
    1. portoc65
      +11
      6 July 2014 15: 02
      Ukrainians were not once a nation - A nation is a state and a centuries-old culture, and there was no such thing as Ukraine. There was a constant attempt to create something like the Jews, which is consolidated around the Ukrainian language and peasant traditions .. The forced imposition of peasant ukroinization spills out into terror ..
      1. +7
        6 July 2014 17: 14
        the Jews had a state similar to ANCIENT JEWS, but I did not hear about the Ukrainian state until 1991
    2. +10
      6 July 2014 15: 03
      Quote: paul72
      (conquered Kazan, Astrakhan, Siberia)

      Plus, by that time, Kabardins, Ossetians, Kalmyks voluntarily became part of Russia.
    3. +5
      6 July 2014 16: 04
      And the light Bashkir cavalry, which was ahead of everyone, who knows about this? I'm talking about Grunwald.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        +3
        6 July 2014 17: 35
        Quote: povojdtrf
        Bashkir cavalry, which was ahead of everyone - who knows about this? I'm talking about Grunwald.

        And the Bashkirs, by the way, are ancient ukrov. Did not hear? In Kapova cave (Shulgan-Tash) ancient Paleolithic drawings. So let the Ukrainians not lift their nose. Only here with Grunwald is incomprehensible ... However, the Bashkirs are always ahead! Alga!
        1. +3
          6 July 2014 18: 58
          Ancient Ukrainians, even the ancient Bashkirs ... Guys, I'm Russian, am I from Mars? what
        2. +1
          6 July 2014 20: 07
          and the flag in your hands, no offense, but before writing about the Paleolithic, study the map of the migration of peoples from the time of the great migration and it will not be inconvenient for you. and this migration is not the only, very useful information for lovers of originality from the creation of the world. the land is primordial, and we are all fleas on it
          1. 11111mail.ru
            0
            7 July 2014 05: 30
            Quote: kashtak
            and the flag in your hands, no offense

            They forgot to write about three objects in a certain place. Of course no offense. Paleolithic and Mesolithic studied practically, with a shovel and a knife on excavations. Didn't see the humor in my comment - then I apologize for wasting your time. As far as I remember the periodization (according to the type of processing of tools) "Shel", "Achel", "Aurignac (yat?)", "Solutre", "Madeleine", it is impossible to relate specifically the drawings from the Kapova cave with a specific period without studying the drawings with their inevitable damage. I just joked about the antiquity of the nationalities mentioned in my commentary, which is not yet punishable.
            Quote: kashtak
            the land is primordial, and we are all fleas on it

            Rather microbes, and pathogenic and proud of their "greatness".
            But seriously, we can purely hypothetically allow the participation of the Bashkirs in the Battle of Grunwald. On the other hand, that they forgot there and for what kind of carriage they should go to distant lands and shed blood for the interests of others. The accession of the Bashkir lands occurred under Anna Ioannovna (18th century).
            1. 0
              7 July 2014 19: 07
              I apologize mutually for the incomprehensibility, they just got amateurs to find out who is the most radical. already a sense of humor refuses.
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        4. 0
          6 July 2014 20: 35
          I know .... well, to be absolutely accurate there was the Tatar cavalry ....... and then Tatars, and Bashkirs, and Kalmyks, etc. were called Tatars.
    4. +3
      6 July 2014 17: 11
      that in 1410 in the Battle of Grunwald the Russian regiments appeared under such banners. But the professor did not specify that the Russian regiments were represented only by the Galicia-Volyn kingdom .----- it was absolutely incorrectly written. On the one hand Polish-Lithuanian troops, Smolensk regiments acted. on the other side of the EU of the Middle Ages. where did the Galician-Volyn kingdom come from, the author clearly exaggerated.
    5. +3
      6 July 2014 17: 48
      Quote: paul72
      "After the Pereyaslav Rada, the Grand Duchy of Moscow was transformed into a great empire, and the Ukrainians became an empire-building nation."

      What nonsense does this kume write?
      By the time of the Pereyaslav Rada (1654), the Grand Duchy of Moscow had long been (since 1547) the Kingdom (conquered Kazan, Astrakhan, Siberia)

      "that in 1410, in the Battle of Grunwald, Russian regiments performed under such banners. But the professor did not specify that the Russian regiments were represented only by the Galicia-Volyn kingdom."

      And has the author ever heard of the Smolensk regiments under Grunwald?


      So you find fault with such trifles? Here is the GRAND PICTURES OF THE GREAT PAST UKRAINE and the NEW PLAN OF THE GREAT PERFORMANCE, which undoubtedly should work. Well, at least the author thinks so. laughing
  4. +4
    6 July 2014 15: 00
    The plan of "overcoming the next Ruins" in the history of Ukraine, from the series: will give you fantastical truth, especially point # 3.
  5. kowalski
    +7
    6 July 2014 15: 00
    Just do not blame everything on the oligarchs. We have no less oligarchs! Maybe it's better to look into your soul, look from the side at your own signs of a national character ...
    1. portoc65
      0
      6 July 2014 15: 09
      We do not have a merger of business and power in Ukraine .. This is the difference ..
      1. -1
        6 July 2014 17: 53
        Quote: portoc65
        We do not have a merger of business and power in Ukraine .. This is the difference ..


        What, really not at all?
    2. 0
      6 July 2014 15: 56
      Quote: kowalski
      It may be better to look into your soul, from the side to look at your signs of a national character ...

      It might be better to peek, but it's so hard to do ...
      It’s not that to list banally correct theses in a banally correct article, they say, remove oligarchs, power to the people, internationalism instead of a Banderlos ideology.
      So far, everything is exactly the opposite.
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        1. 0
          6 July 2014 20: 14
          and who actually wrote these poems?
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        3. +1
          6 July 2014 20: 18
          Quote: Centurion
          Best of all, the vile x-lak nature is known to Russians, Poles and of course fellow countrymen, Ukrainians themselves. We quote T.G. Shevchenko, year 1851.

          + + + drinks
        4. -3
          6 July 2014 20: 29
          Quote: Centurion
          But the desire for a freebie is even more terrible and force majeure. For example, how, in fact, are Western Ukrainians different from Eastern? Westerners believe that the European Union should support them, while Easterners believe that the Customs Union, or rather Russia, should contain them. This is the only difference. At the same time, those who are better off will be given to them. But no one wants to contain 40 million parasites, neither the European Union, nor the Customs Union, if only because this is an unbearable burden on budgets. So if anyone has a great desire to take them to the towbar, prepare your pockets, you will have to greatly ease them. In these conditions, Ukrainians need to find the guilty. As a result, Ukrainians begin to hate everyone. First of all, Muscovites, only now because they are poorly maintained, they don’t help much and sponsor, they don’t give free oil and gas. Well, yes, for many centuries we have already become accustomed to “gratitude of fraternal peoples”, although we could already learn to think more adequately

          I don’t think you are right. Many Ukrainians rightfully believe that it is best not to go anywhere and not to take obligations of one or another union.
          To look for the guilty is a primordially Russian trait (what to do and who is to blame and what to do) here we can say parity.
          There was no talk of oil - this is for Belarusians. There are graters at the price of oil. Ukraine do not cling. On gas have always been-because gas is tied to politics. For loyalty they paid with discounts for the discount base .. bash on bash. And this is more a political conflict than a national conflict. It’s just that the media is clearly pumping up negative peoples (who do not directly receive benefits, but the oligarchs receive)
          Ukraine in the Union was a donor of the economy, as was the RFSR - Ukrainians also formed the backbone of that USSR along with the Russians.
          But right now, the animosity of peoples is actively moving - history is intermittent and I hear the words that Ukraine has ALWAYS been so ... sorry, I disagree. Ukraine has a difficult history and being between 2 or even 3 lights while you find peace is difficult.
          The campaign of the Russians is seriously pumped up against the Ukrainians by local media (which ours also have been doing for a long time), it is obvious to someone it is profitable within the country to allow the thought of killing Ukrainians only because they are Ukrainians. I thought this was only necessary for fans of Bandera (Muscovites for cola), but soon I will hear the Ukrainian call for pitchfork ... or something like that.
          1. +2
            6 July 2014 21: 49
            Donors of the economy: would you rather tell us who built this economy for you? Probably the peoples of the USSR. Who built industrial regions for you? Probably the Communist Party of the USSR! Who added the territories to you? True, Malenkov, Khrushchev and other figures. And they wanted in 1944. add to the center of the State of Poland in western Ukraine. Liss county - we know? But the Poles ofigeli, from the decree of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine in 1944. and this thesis of the resolution on reparation at the Yalta Conference did not pass.
            And the fact that the inhabitants of Ukraine are free, in the blood (not only of Ukrainians) is a fact. And the fact that for 23 years Ukraine has spit on fraternal Slavic feelings for the Slavs and ran into the most ardent Nazis, Masons, and terrorists. And she helped them with all her arms and legs, not shying away, to warm any rabble in her home: Chechen terrorists, thieves in law, drug dealers, Muslim jihakdists - Sufis, etc., etc. And at the same time I took money from everyone and from both of them!
            So what does the Russian media have to do with it? We know that in Ukraine for 23 years and since 1932 it was and where, how and where it got out sideways to the Ukrainians.
            This is written to you from the Crimea!
          2. +3
            6 July 2014 22: 34
            Another empty you & ser your dill - Svidomo. the fact that Ukraine has never heard of claims in the Crimea (as if all the Communists Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Farion are not literate) and about the Russian-Turkish agreements. And even more fake - that the Crimea was dismissed by Kravchuk in compensation for the work of Ukrainian workers on construction sites of the USSR!
            Guys, maybe trending is good ?! You tell who liberated Ukraine in 1944 - the natives of Siberia and Central Asia are offended by hearing your rotten banter. And who restored your infrastructure after WWII? Who was driving to your construction sites?
          3. Kazak ermaka
            0
            6 July 2014 23: 10
            Banderlyaku on gilyaku
          4. +1
            7 July 2014 02: 26
            Quote: Cristall
            The campaign of the Russians is seriously pumped up against the Ukrainians by local media (which ours also have been doing for a long time), it is obvious to someone it is profitable within the country to allow the thought of killing Ukrainians only because they are Ukrainians. I thought this was only necessary for fans of Bandera (Muscovites for cola), but soon I will hear the Ukrainian call for pitchfork ... or something like that.


            Here, perhaps you are wrong. Rather, there is irritation from the chronic unwillingness of the Little Russians to see that they are cheekily and vilely deceived and continue to cheat, that they are being set on their own Russian brothers (I do not consider Ukrainians as a separate people) and they happily go to kill them, not realizing that they are killing themselves as well also. An odd, wild desire to kill everything in Russia and fill this resulting void with all kinds of rubbish annoys them.

            Quote: Cristall
            Ukraine has a difficult history and being between 2 or even 3 lights while you find peace is difficult.


            Yeah, especially if you yourself fire hard in the hut.
    3. +7
      6 July 2014 17: 27
      Quote: kowalski
      It may be better to look into your soul, from the side to look at your signs of a national character ...

      Ukrainians seem to be desperate in life itself, and in this they can only sympathize. All of their unlucky history, it is a continuous series of discontent, insurrection, betrayal, excesses, unrestrained illusions, fantasies, more reminiscent of girlish dreams and disappointments. No one better than the Ukrainian classics knew the mentality of his people. N.V. Gogol put into the mouth of Bobchinsky-Dobchinsky a sacramental phrase: "It is not difficult to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived." And this is almost the credo of the Ukrainian mentality. Here is one of the last, with the bang of broken fantasies. In the 60-80 of the last century, Ukrainians blatantly and hypocritically, but rather methodically, destroyed the Soviet Union. It was a familiar and familiar thing for them, for many centuries they had gained a great deal of experience, dexterity and skill in these matters. The eternal maydanshchiki and buzotery they very successfully in the past destroyed the Khazar Khaganate, Kievan Rus, the Golden Horde, the Commonwealth, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union. Seen Dnieper this place is. They said: “There is everything in Ukraine, and the Union is robbing us. They drank all our gorilka, they baked all our lard, cracked all our mates. ” They were quite sure that by getting rid of the Union they would heal like cheese in butter. Only a few doubted, but they were rudely silenced. To the great shame of the Russians living in Ukraine, as well as in other Soviet republics, they were severely infected with this small-town chauvinism. And attempts to consolidate the Russian population of the union republics (including the Ukrainian southeast) on the basis of Russian nationalism failed. Since the southeast is populated not by Russians, but by Russian speakers. And this is a big difference. For the most part, these are either Russified Ukrainians, or not fully Ukrainized Russians or “Creoles”, that is, russophones, often aspiring to be “holier than the Pope of Rome.” Often, the most desperate Ukrainian nationalists are people with purely Russian surnames. In the most innocent case, they just dutifully jumped along with Svidomo, in the worst case, joined the local nationalists. In an effort to curry favor, they did the dirtiest work, for example, bottling Molotov cocktails. In general, such a typical Vlasov. But God is not fraer, he sees everything and distributes everything according to merit. Life puts everything in truth and the perpetrators of devastation generously punishes. As a result, instead of cheese in oil, Ukrainians found themselves in complete guan, and the collapse of illusions is a terrible force.
      1. -4
        6 July 2014 20: 33
        Quote: Centurion
        In the 60-80s of the last century, Ukrainians secretly and hypocritically, but very methodically destroyed the Soviet Union. It was a familiar and familiar thing for them; over many centuries they have gained great experience, dexterity and dexterity in these matters. The eternal Maidan and Buzoters, they quite successfully destroyed the Khazar Kaganate, Kievan Rus, the Golden Horde, the Commonwealth, the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union in the past.

        I didn’t have time to write somewhere that soon they would blame all sins - so here it is darling .. Are we also a chapel or in the 16th century ???
        The USSR in the era of the Ukrainian elite was ..with the departure of the Ukrainian vertical - it went into decline and the Russian Gorbachev collapsed.
        But no - bring down Ukraine is to blame for the ice ages, asteroid attacks, the Chelyabinsk meteorite! What else was there?
        Wow class - straight geniuses we all the same ... all fell apart ... talents .. Reminds Ukrainian speeches only the other way round, there the Russians are to blame and the Russians Ukrainians fell apart and always betrayed stole and other ...
        I wonder where the opinion makers work more with us or with you? Or the same?
        1. +2
          7 July 2014 02: 46
          Quote: Cristall
          I didn’t have time to write somewhere that soon they would blame all sins - so here it is darling .. Are we also a chapel or in the 16th century ???
          The USSR in the era of the Ukrainian elite was ..with the departure of the Ukrainian vertical - it went into decline and the Russian Gorbachev collapsed.
          But no - bring down Ukraine is to blame for the ice ages, asteroid attacks, the Chelyabinsk meteorite! What else was there?
          Wow class - straight geniuses we all the same ... all fell apart ... talents .. Reminds Ukrainian speeches only the other way round, there the Russians are to blame and the Russians Ukrainians fell apart and always betrayed stole and other ...
          I wonder where the opinion makers work more with us or with you? Or the same?


          Everyone is to blame for the collapse of the USSR and there is nothing to blame on Ukrainians alone; here you are right. But as for the opinion makers here, perhaps yours is better. They managed to create more than 40 million flawed arrogant and stupid in their hatred Russophobia. Alas. Russian hating Russians and this hurts everything.
          1. nvv
            nvv
            0
            7 July 2014 02: 57
            Quote: IS-80
            Quote: Cristall
            I didn’t have time to write somewhere that soon they would blame all sins - so here it is darling .. Are we also a chapel or in the 16th century ???
            The USSR in the era of the Ukrainian elite was ..with the departure of the Ukrainian vertical - it went into decline and the Russian Gorbachev collapsed.
            But no - bring down Ukraine is to blame for the ice ages, asteroid attacks, the Chelyabinsk meteorite! What else was there?
            Wow class - straight geniuses we all the same ... all fell apart ... talents .. Reminds Ukrainian speeches only the other way round, there the Russians are to blame and the Russians Ukrainians fell apart and always betrayed stole and other ...
            I wonder where the opinion makers work more with us or with you? Or the same?


            Everyone is to blame for the collapse of the USSR and there is nothing to blame on Ukrainians alone; here you are right. But as for the opinion makers here, perhaps yours is better. They managed to create more than 40 million flawed arrogant and stupid in their hatred Russophobia. Alas. Russian hating Russians and this hurts everything.

            40 million? Well, you turned down. If this were so, then there would have long been New Khazaria.
            1. 0
              10 July 2014 01: 11
              And this is the new Khazaria and already more NEW ICHKERIA! And in the best features from 1992 to 1996. Now Parasha will order to rivet new, "Svidomo machine guns / machine guns" and invite more thugs and release more junk from Faina's prisons.
      2. +1
        6 July 2014 20: 39
        Quote: Centurion
        As a result, Ukrainians, instead of cheese in butter, were in full guana, and the collapse of illusions is a terrible force.

        Centurion, thanks for the post.
        I’ll add from my favorite writer.
        "... according to my inner conviction, the most complete and insurmountable - Russia will not, and never before have, such haters, envious people, slanderers and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe will agree to recognize them as freed! And let them not object to me, do not challenge me, do not shout at me that I am exaggerating and that I am a hater of the Slavs! On the contrary, I love the Slavs very much, but I will not defend myself, because I know that everything is for sure so it will come true, as I say, and not at all for the low, ungrateful, as if, the character of the Slavs, not at all - they have a character in this sense, like everyone else, - namely, because such things in the world cannot happen otherwise ...
        After liberation, they will begin their new life, I repeat, precisely by asking for themselves from Europe, England and Germany, for example, a guarantee and protection of their freedom, and even though Russia will be included in the concert of the European powers, but they are in protection from Russia and will do it ... "
        the post did not fit, followed by.
      3. +1
        6 July 2014 20: 43
        I continue
        ".. They will certainly begin with the fact that inside themselves, if not out loud, they will declare to themselves and convince themselves that they do not owe Russia the slightest gratitude, on the contrary, that they barely escaped the lust for power of Russia at the conclusion of peace by the intervention of a European concert , and if Europe had not intervened, Russia would have swallowed them immediately, "meaning the expansion of borders and the foundation of the great All-Slavic empire on the enslavement of the Slavs to a greedy, cunning and barbaric Great Russian tribe."
        Perhaps a whole century, or even more, they will continually tremble for their freedom and fear the lust for power of Russia; they will curry favor with European states, slander Russia, gossip and intrigue against it.
        Oh, I'm not talking about individuals: there will be those who will understand what it means, it means that Russia will always mean to them. But these people, especially at the beginning, will appear in such a pitiful minority that they will be subjected to ridicule, hatred and even political persecution.
        It will be especially pleasant for the liberated Slavs to express and trumpet the whole world that they are educated tribes capable of the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbaric country, gloomy northern colossus, not even of pure Slavic blood, persecutor and hater of European civilization.
        Of course, they will have, from the very beginning, constitutional governance, parliaments, responsible ministers, speakers, and speeches. They will be extremely comforting and admiring. They will be in ecstasy, reading telegrams about themselves in Paris and London newspapers informing the whole world that after a long parliamentary storm the ministry finally fell into (... the country to taste ...) and a new majority of the liberal majority someday theirs (... last name to taste ...) agreed to finally accept the portfolio of the president of the Council of Ministers.
        Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that all these liberated Slavs will rush into Europe with rapture, before they lose their identity, they will become infected with European forms, political and social, and thus
        will have to go through a whole and long period of Europeanism before comprehending at least something in its Slavic meaning and in its special Slavic calling in the midst of mankind.
        Between themselves, these zemstvos will always quarrel, forever envy each other and intrigue against each other. Of course, in the moment of some serious disaster, they all will certainly turn to Russia for help. No matter how they hate, gossip and slander Europe, flirting with her and assuring her of love, they will always feel instinctively (of course, in a moment of trouble, and not before) that Europe was a natural enemy of their unity, they will always remain, and that if they exist in the world, then, of course, because there is a huge magnet - Russia, which, irresistibly attracting them all to itself, restrains their integrity and unity .... "

        Dostoevsky Fedor Mikhailovich.
        The diary of a writer.
        September - December 1877.
        1. Kazak ermaka
          -1
          6 July 2014 23: 17
          The clever man was Fedor Mikhailovich. No wonder we sat in Omsk)))
    4. gennady.ru
      0
      7 July 2014 01: 41
      I agree! There are patriotic oligarchs, and there are more than a few who have proved more than once with their work, public affairs, sponsorship and their civic position that they are worthy citizens of their country, and at times not easy for the country, for example, like now. And to look into one’s soul, this is not given to everyone according to their strength and not to everyone, pride, their pride / I / does not give to most of us. Well, what about the national character and the one who earlier and who later tears from the tree. After all the historical troubles and millennia-old movements of peoples, slavery, marriages between representatives of different nations, etc. etc. it’s hard to find a person who is purely ethnic. And genetics will confirm it. It is people who have strayed in packs, called these packs nationalities and states, and each praise itself and its individuals. Take any village or small town, all there are relatives, all are brought to someone by someone or accounted for. So between nations. more specifically, we are all brothers and all of the same blood, though in some individuals it is darker in others thinner. Therefore, I do not divide people according to nationality or character. For me there are two categories of people - GOOD MAN AND EVIL - while nationality does not play any role here, as well as family ties. I love all good people, especially those who feel bad and hard regardless of nationality. And yet, more than anything else, I value FRIENDSHIP, close relatives can sell you, deceive, rob and humiliate you. Even those close to me like brother, wife, sister, even mother, which happened to me, which inflicted a wound that still bleeds on my heart. But there were always GOOD-GOOD people who supported, sympathized with the help of advice. And these people were of different nationalities, just-GOOD people-my FRIENDS. The very concept of a friend excludes lies, deceit, betrayal, etc. That's why the soul hurts so much for GOOD-GOOD FRIENDS in Ukraine.
    5. gennady.ru
      0
      7 July 2014 01: 41
      I agree! There are patriotic oligarchs, and there are more than a few who have proved more than once with their work, public affairs, sponsorship and their civic position that they are worthy citizens of their country, and at times not easy for the country, for example, like now. And to look into one’s soul, this is not given to everyone according to their strength and not to everyone, pride, their pride / I / does not give to most of us. Well, what about the national character and the one who earlier and who later tears from the tree. After all the historical troubles and millennia-old movements of peoples, slavery, marriages between representatives of different nations, etc. etc. it’s hard to find a person who is purely ethnic. And genetics will confirm it. It is people who have strayed in packs, called these packs nationalities and states, and each praise itself and its individuals. Take any village or small town, all there are relatives, all are brought to someone by someone or accounted for. So between nations. more specifically, we are all brothers and all of the same blood, though in some individuals it is darker in others thinner. Therefore, I do not divide people according to nationality or character. For me there are two categories of people - GOOD MAN AND EVIL - while nationality does not play any role here, as well as family ties. I love all good people, especially those who feel bad and hard regardless of nationality. And yet, more than anything else, I value FRIENDSHIP, close relatives can sell you, deceive, rob and humiliate you. Even those close to me like brother, wife, sister, even mother, which happened to me, which inflicted a wound that still bleeds on my heart. But there were always GOOD-GOOD people who supported, sympathized with the help of advice. And these people were of different nationalities, just-GOOD people-my FRIENDS. The very concept of a friend excludes lies, deceit, betrayal, etc. That's why the soul hurts so much for GOOD-GOOD FRIENDS in Ukraine.
  6. +3
    6 July 2014 15: 02
    That's it - they chose guides, not leaders, leaders ... So they got lost. We went anyhow. And the guide for your guide took the last shirt off of you ...
  7. +2
    6 July 2014 15: 05
    The youth team, setting aside their glasses of wine, unitedly joined the creative process. In the line “Drive our vorozhdenki” we mean the Russians- “”;



    Here is the weakness of the KREMLIN ... HE LOSES CONSTANTLY THE FIGHT FOR THE MINDS OF YOUTH IN UKRAINE .... after all, one could instruct the specialists to find the necessary incentives for friendship with RUSSIA .... no, they always scratch their turnips when the hut starts to burn ....
    1. +3
      6 July 2014 15: 12
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      find the necessary incentives for friendship with RUSSIA ...

      For example, which ??
  8. +3
    6 July 2014 15: 08
    The author’s optimism is praised, but it does not correspond to reality.
  9. +6
    6 July 2014 15: 12
    3. The base for the official should be the salary of the school teacher. The president receives, for example, 5 salaries for teachers, the minister and deputy of the Verkhovna Rada - 4. No benefits.


    Our bureaucrats would also do well
    1. +4
      6 July 2014 15: 25
      Quote: paul72
      3. The base for the official should be the salary of the school teacher

      I will make the only clarification - all deputies must receive a salary in the amount of the "minimum wage", if you want to get more - do everything so that the country develops and the minimum wage grows
      1. +2
        6 July 2014 15: 46
        Quote: svp67
        Minimum wage - the minimum wage "

        Then, in principle, those who want to steal will go to the officials, otherwise it’s easier to work as a janitor - and you get Mrot in the fresh air + almost no responsibility.
  10. +4
    6 July 2014 15: 13
    Yes, that Ukraine is there, it’s somehow forgotten that in the USA it was like this
  11. +16
    6 July 2014 15: 24
    I, born in Ukraine, who studied the history of Ukraine and Russia, whose kind dates back to the 15th century, whose grandfathers and great-great-grandfathers gained glory of Great Russia, am proud of Orthodoxy and the deeds of my ancestors, and curse the cheap America with my bucks, and their fosterlings, that in Russia, or Belarus, as well as in Ukraine, which have no kinship, parashenki, kalomoytsy, eggs and others, and even more so the involvement of these state-minded sectarians, in the statehood of Slavic communities, and I swear to devote my whole life to the eradication of evil between the Slavs ... Amen! Amen! Amen! Always yours, let.snay.polk. Shnv ...
  12. +4
    6 July 2014 15: 32
    Quote: Matroskin 18
    The article is good, explained in some detail, however, in my opinion, it came out late. I consider current events irreversible ...


    UN Security Council: Recognize Sector Right as a terrorist organization like Al Qaeda

    Please help to collect 27,000,000 signatures - disseminate petition information via email, Facebook and Twitter
    https://secure.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Ostanovit_fashizm_na
    _Ukraine /? SHBiwhb
    Let's collect 27 million signatures! THEY NEED TO STOP! They themselves will not stop, because they have gone too far! FOR LIFE ON THE EARTH! NO Fascism!
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 17: 21
      Quote: GRIGORIY1957
      Quote: Matroskin 18
      The article is good, explained in some detail, however, in my opinion, it came out late. I consider current events irreversible ...


      UN Security Council: Recognize Sector Right as a terrorist organization like Al Qaeda

      Please help to collect 27,000,000 signatures - disseminate petition information via email, Facebook and Twitter
      https://secure.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Sovet_Bezopasnosti_OON_Ostanovit_fashizm_na

      _Ukraine /? SHBiwhb
      Let's collect 27 million signatures! THEY NEED TO STOP! They themselves will not stop, because they have gone too far! FOR LIFE ON THE EARTH! NO Fascism!

      I signed it myself, posted it on facebook and in VKontakte
    2. -1
      6 July 2014 17: 33
      signature ??? what are these signatures? who will they stop? and who will stop? The UN or what? yes, the UN is a former "league of nations", as an international organization has completely outlived its usefulness, one resolution on Russia - a "terrorist" is worth it!
      like Mark Twain: "It (or the situation ...) can be corrected only by a bullet from a good gun, and I don't see any other way! ..."
      1. 0
        6 July 2014 21: 50
        Quote: vlad-58
        signature ??? what are these signatures? who will they stop? and who will stop? The UN or what? yes, the UN is a former "league of nations", as an international organization has completely outlived its usefulness, one resolution on Russia - a "terrorist" is worth it!
        like Mark Twain: "It (or the situation ...) can be corrected only by a bullet from a good gun, and I don't see any other way! ..

        DEAR, YOU HAVE USED "VERY MANY EXTRA" BOOKS ", EASIER TO GO ON THE LINK AND SIGN,
        DO NOT FILM ...

        ... IF YOU REMEMBER TO RUSSIA AND CHINA IN RESPECT TO SYRIA THERE WERE HEARD ...

        DON'T NEED TO JOKE, YOU ARE AN ADULT PERSON ...
    3. Kazak ermaka
      -1
      6 July 2014 23: 19
      27 million? You are idealist
      1. 0
        6 July 2014 23: 25
        Quote: Kazak Ermaka
        27 million? You are idealist


        ... THE GOING WILL STRENGTHEN THE ROAD ...

        A Crying Dies ..

        P.S. IT'S DIFFICULT TO PASS ON THE LINK AND ADD YOUR ONE FROM 27.0000 ...?


        WHO ARE YOU...?
        HYSTERIOUS PESSIMIST (DISPUTE FOR A DISPUTE) OR A HEALTHY MAN ...?
      2. 0
        7 July 2014 00: 18
        Quote: Kazak Ermaka
        27 million? You are idealist

        A real Cossack has respect for his elders, and moreover, does not live in GEYROPE ...
  13. +1
    6 July 2014 15: 34
    Bogdan Khmelnitsky became the first Ukrainian (although the concept of Ukraine then did not exist) separatist ... in the Polish state, Mazepa was the first in the Russian .. there is no question that the regiments of the Smolensk principality took part under Grunwald ...
  14. +2
    6 July 2014 15: 36
    I must honestly admit that a generation under 30 in Ukraine has been lost for Russia. It studied, as the author correctly claims, on foreign textbooks (God, what a moronic head the idea came to learn your story from the voices of others?) And now Russia is driven into these heads - the enemy. So far this message has been diluted with the memory of the older generation who lived in the USSR, but this resource naturally decreases.
    And to be honest, I do not envy the author. I just can imagine what is waiting for him in Ukraine now.
    1. +3
      6 July 2014 16: 46
      I completely agree. Those born in 90 or 91 and later 93 are all completely washed out by ukrachebnikami. I was lucky in 1982, so I found a Soviet elementary school. But the history of Ukraine is very difficult. He studied at the history department and I will say a lot of far-fetched and exaggerated. The main thing is if you did not pay attention to the fact that Ukrainians slip the word and try to instill the word as far as possible in history. The author of the article is lying a little bit. There have never been Ukrainians. Invented at the beginning of the 20th century. But I don’t know how to explain this to the zapadents. Well, in conclusion about the language. In true Ukrainian language, a beautiful girl will be fayna divchina. Tell me, if everything is clear with the diva, the main thing is that it’s just not like the Russians, but the file is not from the word fine ????
      1. +1
        6 July 2014 17: 45
        generation of the 90s? Yes you!
        All! all of central Ukraine, all of western Ukraine, much of Ukraine: hostile to Russia. and not everything is clear with the east ...
        After all, these are not semi-literate farmers who do not read artisans in warehouses, but advanced Internet users, students, assistant professors, university professors, skilled workers, very literate military men, technical intelligentsia and creative intelligentsia - actors, artists, singers and te te have been creating this country; this is not with the connivance, but with their active support, Bandera propaganda arose, grew up and got stronger ... and - won! We all know these people, they still exist, and in Russia too, and they are in power, and on television and everywhere ... so that not to declare a nationwide boycott of Roshen products? but no - they buy as if nothing had happened, with a huge presence on the shelves of alternative products from other manufacturers at the same price ... well, at least! ...
      2. +1
        6 July 2014 20: 40
        Quote: number 17
        right ukrainets.azyke beautiful girl will fayna divchina. Tell me, if everything is clear with the diva, the main thing is that it’s just not like the Russians, but the file is not from the word fine ????

        similarly born in 82
        here with the girl - there will be Garna divnchyna (beautiful), and our teacher said that English came from Ukrainian (fine file)
        In fact, only a coincidence. The teacher is still a joker (sit down as a pebble, otherwise I'll put you 4 - 2 in mathematics and 2 in geometry)
        History was rewritten every year - I loved history, but after changing 3 textbooks I learned that I love only the world one. I hated arguing directly about Ukrainian, swearing, I got 5 for it anyway, and at the same time I handed over purely just to pass ...
        Stories after 91 all went terrible ... not only Ukraine concerns.
        Each country rewrote the Soviet and imperial period for itself ... Having appropriated everything in common.
      3. Kazak ermaka
        -1
        6 July 2014 23: 21
        So you studied at the historical. Please tell us about the ancient stolen at night.
  15. pahom54
    0
    6 July 2014 15: 40
    Here, mind you, in recent days there have been articles by Ukrainian journalists, more or less meaningfully suited to the current situation ... Let's see what happens next.
  16. djtyysq
    +1
    6 July 2014 15: 43
    We will not look at the times of Yaroslav the Wise. After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine was the second in terms of power after Russia. Where did everything disappear and who is to blame? We are RUSSIAN, "quilted jackets", and all the rest are angels! UKRAINIANS! Sort it out among yourself, and then blame us !!!
  17. +1
    6 July 2014 15: 52
    Enough to write the words "Euromaidan" and "Maidan" with a capital letter - we are not Bandera, not on Censore.net
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 16: 17
      I agree. Moreover, on some sites, even "gay parade" is written with a capital letter. I met such crap more than once. laughing laughing laughing
      Although "euromaidan" and "gay parade" are phenomena of the same order.
  18. +3
    6 July 2014 16: 06
    The article is certainly kind, but in fact, as in that proverb: .. "It's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off."
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  20. 0
    6 July 2014 16: 11
    Scythians, we are Asians and s-Europe only seen in the ass. Today we’ll have a little hard time, tomorrow we’ll really die, it’s time to beat them, and beat on black
    1. Kazak ermaka
      -1
      6 July 2014 23: 23
      Correctly. Scythians. And not the ancient Ukrainians and ancient Rus)
  21. +1
    6 July 2014 16: 14
    Speaking of Ukrainian identity. In Arabic, Maidan is a square. So this means that when they invented the Ukrainian language, there weren’t enough independent words?
    1. +4
      6 July 2014 16: 28
      In my homeland, in the south of the Nizhny Novgorod region, as well as in Mordovia, a lot of villages have the prefix "maidan" to their names. For example, Uchuevo-Maidan, Mikhalko-Maidan, Talsky Maidan, Vasilyov Maidan, Mozharov Maidan, Steep Maidan, Polkhovsky Maidan, Sarminsky Maidan, etc. We have a lot of such names. In the 16th and 17th centuries in our area, "Maidan" was the name given to sites where potash was burned from wood. The name is oriental, because mainly Arab and Persian merchants came to buy potash. In those days, potash was used for the production of saltpeter, white paint, and some expensive types of glass. It was made of hardwood, which was chronically lacking in the Arab-Persian East, but in Russia there is no problem with this.
  22. 0
    6 July 2014 16: 29
    a little off topic well if true it’s just fine
    Russia is preparing to adopt railway trains with ballistic nuclear missiles on board
    1. Stypor23
      0
      6 July 2014 16: 32
      Is there a reference to the info?
      1. +1
        6 July 2014 17: 46
        Here was:
        Russia recreates military railway missile systems
        April 23 2013
        topwar.ru/27182-rossiya-vosso...kompleksy.html
        1. Stypor23
          -1
          6 July 2014 18: 03
          Thank you hi . In the Ukrainian SSR were made, nepotyem unfortunately.
          1. +1
            6 July 2014 19: 14
            Are you sure in advance of defeat ??? fool
            1. Stypor23
              0
              6 July 2014 19: 32
              Quote: sabakina
              Are you sure in advance of defeat ??? fool

              To do such a thing, you need to have such a staff of specialists and technicians in the design bureaus and factories that the girl’s mind cannot understand. Plus, the industry must be developed. In Soviet times, all the necessary enterprises were interconnected and Chubais did not run high technologies, because they were not there. And the new Utkin brothers, under current conditions, are hard to find, to put it mildly, if not impossible.
    2. Kazak ermaka
      -1
      6 July 2014 23: 25
      What to accept them? They are still from the USSR travel around the BAM classified.
      1. Stypor23
        0
        6 July 2014 23: 44
        Nifiga no longer travel, sawed into metal under the supervision of the staff.
  23. +5
    6 July 2014 16: 39
    This country called Ukraine, in the entire history of mankind, NEVER EXISTED. This is how the gypsies will now declare that Antarctica is their "Motherland". It appeared only on world maps in 1991 (due to a happy RANDOMITY), the consequences are now being observed. had the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Hungary, Rzeczpospolita, the Russian Empire, the USSR, so that any legal receiving country from these "former" empires has full RIGHTS to all these territories, to which there are NATURALLY RELEVANT DOCUMENTS (corresponding to international law, as for example the US declaration about independence from 17 .. what that year). WHY ??? !!! having all these documents (Poland, Hungary, Germany, Turkey, Russia) due to some political conjuncture, OFFICIALLY no one declares their territorial claims, though about 2 months ago, the Hungarian Prime Minister's statement only flashed and EVERYTHING ENDED IN WORDS.
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 18: 13
      Today showed a story with a map:
      In a story about events in Ukraine, the American CNN television channel showed ignorance of geography - on the map shown on the television channel, the city of Slavyansk was in Crimea, on Russian territory.

      As the host of the comedy show The Colbert Report said on Comedy Central, Stephen Colbert: “What is not clear to you? This is America! We do not need to know where any country is in order to send troops there. Yes! Bang Bang! Perhaps then you will still want to look on the Google map where this country is. But after the order was given. "
    2. Kazak ermaka
      -1
      6 July 2014 23: 27
      correct card. in her ukrov textbooks
  24. +4
    6 July 2014 16: 41
    Quote: portoc65
    Ukrainians were not once a nation - A nation is a state and a centuries-old culture, and there was no such thing as Ukraine. There was a constant attempt to create something like the Jews, which is consolidated around the Ukrainian language and peasant traditions .. The forced imposition of peasant ukroinization spills out into terror ..

    I agree. I just want to add - why do you think the question of language is so acute? It would seem that it’s simpler - the second Russian state, and half of the problems are removed! NOT! The fact of the matter is that if Russian is made 2-m state, then Ukrainian will die by itself. Firstly, the majority of the population of Ukraine are Russian speakers. Secondly, the Ukrainian language is just an adverb of the Russian language. Recently, it has been greatly diluted with Polish words (so that it differs more strongly from Russian), therefore it comes to a paradox - the inhabitants of Kiev do not always understand the inhabitants of the Lviv region (and generally Western residents, where Polish culture is strong) - WE BROTHER IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES, BROTHERS!
    Artificially created language. Artificially created story. Artificially created state.
    This state will either die (which has almost happened) or integrate into the union of Slavic states.
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 16: 45
      Quote: Karasik
      The fact of the matter is that if Russian is made 2nd state, then Ukrainian will die by itself.

      That is precisely the point.
      1. +2
        6 July 2014 20: 48
        Quote: Sour
        The fact of the matter is that if Russian is made 2nd state, then Ukrainian will die by itself.

        2 ends stick. On the one hand, the Southeast will develop only the Russian language and culture (there will be nothing to do), therefore a single language is being imposed (unification)
        on the other hand, in order to unite a nation, one needs everything (the fundamental language)
        it’s not hard for me to understand Ukrainian, I even like him sometimes. But the adoption of 2 state - now there would be a different Ukraine in general ... There would not be much, including the Russian Crimea. Until now, thank V Svolota for the week when they stirred up the whole nation and started a separation war.
        Ukraine with 2 languages ​​would get rid of many problems. But Ukrainian would have a small prevalence ... would be considered the language of "the village and the Westerners"
        1. 0
          6 July 2014 21: 46
          Quote: Cristall
          But Ukrainian would have a small prevalence ... would be considered the language of "the village and the Westerners"

          Which would lead to contradictions.
    2. +2
      6 July 2014 22: 27
      Exactly. If Russian is made 2nd, then Ukrainian will die. Yes, he is already dead. But your message about Ukrainian is extremely false. The Ukrainian language is a branch of the Slavic dialect made before the separation of the Belarusian. In schools of Ukraine, they study surzhik, consisting of
      the set is not clear why. But the fact that recently it has been diluted with Polish words is half-truth. And about the Gothic-Dakian surzhik, which is spoken by the inhabitants of the Western outskirts - it's true! If you want to distinguish a "Banderlog" - listen not to what he says, but how. These are all "the axis is up to goy", "to rob .. to rob"; "dawn"; "rovertsi"; "morovs"; "piydemo by kalyakaemo" (Ukrainians say - by balakayemo); and moreover, Ukrainians do not speak fayno / fayna - this is generally a Ugro-Russian word.
      I wrote to one lady from the city of Uzh, now it is Uzhgorod! Tanya Regan - that she, with her you% sirs, is not even Ukrainian - let her look in her passport! And in the mirror! I have the names of Regan. I don’t know in Ukrainian ?!
      PS: - the last straw was the collision where I was Crimean. When on the Maidan, people died! And everything is diluted with an incomprehensible surzhik along with purely Russian matches - here it is the face of dill patriotism! am
  25. 0
    6 July 2014 16: 41
    In order not to “lose” Ukraine, the United States, not only through its high-ranking officials, “fed” activists and organizers of the Maidan. Over 23 years of independence, a generation has grown in Ukraine that studied Russian history from textbooks written in the USA and Canada (O. Subtelny, D. Mayes). Every year, thousands of students visit the United States through various charitable organizations, and hundreds of Ukrainian military personnel improve their skills overseas; structures of Ukrainian civil society are being created for American dollars - all kinds of funds, centers, and media.
    100% can be attributed to Russia
    The base for the official should be the salary of the school teacher. The president receives, for example, 5 teacher salaries, the minister and deputy of the Verkhovna Rada -

    this is of course a good example
  26. 0
    6 July 2014 16: 46
    Quote: portoc65
    Ukrainians were not once a nation - A nation is a state and a centuries-old culture, and there was no such thing as Ukraine. There was a constant attempt to create something like the Jews, which is consolidated around the Ukrainian language and peasant traditions .. The forced imposition of peasant ukroinization spills out into terror ..



    The Ukrainian media write about the same thing, only about Russia, "a nation of slaves, quilted jackets, Mordovians ...". There is a nation and a culture. Yes, we are generally one PEOPLE, we live the same way, we drink the same way, and our traitors and heroes are also alike, Nevsky and Donskoy also with their "skeletons in the closet", their holiness in repentance. Israel remembered. Yes, they are good fellows that they have preserved the way of life and traditions, and their small state is keeping the whole region in tension. Ukraine is not lucky with personalities in history. But all the same, we will go through this purgatory and unite.
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 17: 02
      Oh, come on, well, that’s unlikely. We don't need Hohlov.
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  27. +1
    6 July 2014 16: 52
    Quote: Sour
    Quote: Karasik
    The fact of the matter is that if Russian is made 2nd state, then Ukrainian will die by itself.

    That is precisely the point.


    In the Ukrainian SSR this problem did not arise. Documents in two languages ​​were issued: certificate. about birth, diplomas ...
    1. +1
      6 July 2014 17: 20
      Quote: Avis24
      In the Ukrainian SSR this problem did not arise.

      Wrong.
      Mova was forcibly spread in the Ukrainian SSR, including in places where no one spoke it until 1917 (for example, in Kiev, which was Russian-speaking before the revolution, or in Odessa, Donbass, and Crimea).
      I remember the signs on the "mov" in Simferopol, at which everyone laughed.
      Despite this, the percentage of Ukrainian speakers in the Ukrainian SSR did not increase.
      A diploma can even be written in Martian. So what?
      1. 0
        6 July 2014 20: 52
        Quote: Sour
        Mova was forcibly spread in the Ukrainian SSR, including in places where no one spoke it until 1917 (for example, in Kiev, which was Russian-speaking before the revolution, or in Odessa, Donbass, and Crimea).

        taught from grade 4 already ... so "raped" that he was not even the main one.
        The primer was Russian, the first 4 classes were Russian. The literature was Russian, we studied everything in Russian and the Ukrainian language itself was foreign to us (English went to 5)
        So do not talk about the Ukrainization of Odessa under the Union ... since grade 4 everything is already there - consciousness and thoughts are all in Russian. And the study itself was unobtrusive. Easy. True, our beautiful teacher with a cool voice has not yet been replaced. The grandmother became, and she is not very newcomers ...
        1. +1
          6 July 2014 22: 40
          You better tell me how many Ukrainian writers you studied then? For some reason I know about Odessa - my mother, more than you. By the way, it would be good to say that Ukrainian was not taught at all only in "closed military towns" and educational institutions in them. And many teachers. just treated the training negligently - so it seems to you your wishful thinking.
          PS: you can continue to live in a new way. Odessa really wanted to realize the dream of Duke Richelieu - to become a European port, but why. there is Constanta nearby.
          1. 0
            7 July 2014 00: 03
            Quote: 9lvariag
            You better tell me how many Ukrainian writers you studied then? For some reason I know about Odessa - my mother, more than you. By the way, it would be good to say that Ukrainian was not taught at all only in "closed military towns" and educational institutions in them. And many teachers. just treated the training negligently - so it seems to you your wishful thinking.
            PS: you can continue to live in a new way. Odessa really wanted to realize the dream of Duke Richelieu - to become a European port, but why. there is Constanta nearby.

            Yes, the same as now. Franco, Sosyuru, Shevchenko, Lesya and others. The textbook was built on the type of Soviet and Russian literature. That is, there was a figure, his biography, creations and actually his main creation for schoolchildren.
            At the end of the 11th grade, we passed all the poems that we studied during the year (state exam in literature) and all the works that passed. 50 questions could affect any writer.
            Our teacher of Ukrainian and literature was great. She was so good that she liked the language right away and everything was easy until she went on maternity ... A shiftwoman (she was in the second group) in her years (you can say pure Ukrainian) - and our dictation worsened and literature like who is wrong led .. In short, from that moment on, Russian was much more fond of (the teacher of Russian and literature was also good)
            In general, Russian from the ABC book and from the words of the mother ... where is Ukrainian ...
            And it’s not enough to know everything about Odessa ... you need to live here .. breathe it ...
            1. +1
              10 July 2014 01: 26
              Crystal, I think you are as Odessa as I am Papa Carlo! Well, like, Buba Kastorsky? If my mother, who was born in Odessa, studied Ukrainian, then you write that in the 80s you hardly studied it. If we talk about events in Ukraine and in your city, then you are everywhere inserting your five unusual cents. And everywhere you try to unscrew from all posts the citizens of the Russian Federation, in your own direction.
              But really - where were you during these events? And what did you do?
              And now you, personally, are making us sad here about the fraternal feelings of Ukrainians. For a long time, it's time to say - that there is NO and THEM! And the residents of some notorious Banderlozh regions are the ones who blame the most on all of them everywhere? And the truth is that the uterus is cut on the air - they are. Maybe enough trembling - let's be honest: you sold and drank Ukraine. And while you were sitting in the huts, the Maidanites staged a coup! But you didn’t have enough to enter the state of emergency and disperse the spirit!
    2. 0
      6 July 2014 19: 17
      If the mov dies, it will be confirmed that it is an artificial, imposed language. In contrast, for example, from the languages ​​of the peoples of Russia, which are used and do not die.
  28. DMB-88
    -1
    6 July 2014 16: 58
    The Kremlin is sitting on two chairs. always drawn to the strong
  29. 3vs
    0
    6 July 2014 17: 09
    "Kievan Rus - the cradle of three fraternal Slavic peoples - disintegrated into specific principalities, so it could not resist the Mongols in the East and the Lithuanians in the West."
    What the fuck is the cradle of three fraternal Slavic peoples!
    One people - Russians, therefore, Kievan Rus.
    No need to distribute any nonsense here.
  30. +1
    6 July 2014 17: 19
    nevertheless, in our USSR there was even the order of Bohdan Khmelnitsky — this is to the fact that the sources of separatism and nationalism are much closer to us in time and often one person could be not just a hero-deity for a group of people, but society considered him an attacker.
  31. 0
    6 July 2014 17: 30
    Quote: portoc65
    In Ukrpov, the hero is not Bogdan Khmelnitsky but Mazepa .. In dill, the heroes are traitors .. Even there is no money on Khmelnitsky banknotes .. but there is Mazepa

    You are mistaken - the portrait of Khmelnitsky is located on five-hryvnia banknotes
  32. +1
    6 July 2014 17: 36
    Quote: Dmitry Toderese
    Quote: 17 number
    I will correct, on the bill of 5 hryvnias there is Khmelnitsky.


    And on bill 10 - mazepa. Mazepa to the Ukrainian state is more expensive than Khmelnitsky.

    It’s just a gradation of who used to live on the first bill. Vladimir-1gr, Yaroslav-2gr, Khmelnitsky-5gr, Mazepa-10, Franco-20, etc.
    1. +1
      6 July 2014 20: 55
      Quote: Partizan Kramaha
      It’s just a gradation of who used to live on the first bill. Vladimir-1gr, Yaroslav-2gr, Khmelnitsky-5gr, Mazepa-10, Franco-20, etc.

      Grigory Skovoroda for 500 UAH lived in the Middle Ages ...
      In fact, it’s easier: Princes, Getmans (Skoropadsky is not enough), politician (Grushevsky was also a cultural figure) and cultural figures ...
      http://www.bolshoyvopros.ru/questions/153213-chi-portrety-izobrazheny-na-grivnah
      -kakih-cvetov-grivnevye-kupjury.html
  33. +3
    6 July 2014 17: 42
    some kind of a golden cornfield and a blue sky dragged)) the Swedes forced them to wear yellow-blue armbands of Ukrainian Cossacks in order to distinguish them in battle from the Cossacks fighting for Moscow and not slam like an enemy, in the color of their Swedish flag, hence the Ukrainian yellow block black, and here fairy tales have already come up with beautiful)
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 17: 54
      Quote: barbiturate
      from here went the Ukrainian yellow block

      Absolutely.
      The colors of the flag are of Mazepa origin, stripped from the allies of the Swedes.
      The rest is legends.
      The same goes for the "trident". It was introduced as the coat of arms of Ukraine by the famous nationalist Hrushevsky, referring to the "trident of Kyiv Rus". Subsequently, it was proved that this is a stylized image of a diving rarog falcon (the emblem of the Rurikovich, drawn on the shields of their warriors). But the nationalists are coming out to their liking were dung pitchforks, which they chose as their emblem.
      In short, everything is alien and artificial - language, flag, coat of arms. And the anthem was ripped off from the Poles. Just like the Poles, it is performed in the same size and begins with the words "the homeland has not died yet." Well, nothing, not long left.
      1. 0
        7 July 2014 00: 00
        The legend about the "diving falcon-horn", allegedly painted on someone's shields (as far as I know, not a single shield with such a pattern has been found) is just a legend. Most likely, the so-called "trident" is the stylized letter "Ш" of the Bulgarian Shishmanovich dynasty. At least they are similar.
  34. 0
    6 July 2014 17: 46
    Quote: 17 number
    I completely agree. Those born in 90 or 91 and later 93 are all completely washed out by ukrachebnikami. I was lucky in 1982, so I found a Soviet elementary school. But the history of Ukraine is very difficult. He studied at the history department and I will say a lot of far-fetched and exaggerated. The main thing is if you did not pay attention to the fact that Ukrainians slip the word and try to instill the word as far as possible in history. The author of the article is lying a little bit. There have never been Ukrainians. Invented at the beginning of the 20th century. But I don’t know how to explain this to the zapadents. Well, in conclusion about the language. In true Ukrainian language, a beautiful girl will be fayna divchina. Tell me, if everything is clear with the diva, the main thing is that it’s just not like the Russians, but the file is not from the word fine ????

    Do not confuse the literary mov with zapadentsky surzhik! A beautiful girl in Ukrainian will be garn divchina.
  35. 0
    6 July 2014 17: 53
    Quote: Sour
    Quote: Karasik
    The fact of the matter is that if Russian is made 2nd state, then Ukrainian will die by itself.

    That is precisely the point.

    I was born in the USSR and my birth certificate is written in Russian and Ukrainian. In our class, only one Belarusian girl didn’t learn Ukrainian, the rest were Russian, Ukrainian, even an Armenian, so you’re wrong in this statement
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 18: 02
      Yes, I myself mastered this "mova" when I served in the army. I even read books on it.
      Rosum good. And what to leave? My little thought will be lost as a bulo.
      Whatever one may say, "Mova" will be kept afloat only due to artificial inflation. Otherwise it will sink quickly. Languages ​​have too different status.
  36. +1
    6 July 2014 17: 54
    but nobody cares where the real Ukrainians in Siberia live from there for more than 200 years? they themselves do not really remember it, but - Ukrainians, that’s for sure, self-identify themselves as such!
    So, these are fugitives from the forcible "re-baptism" of the Orthodox into Uniatism, which the Westerners then carried out (who is interested, delve into history). they say - "they ran away from the rope." like this? and here's how: - they took the children in the family, tied them to a rope over the well, and lowered them! you accept the union - you raise it ... you don't accept it - ...
    the methods have not changed: the course of action is the same!
  37. +2
    6 July 2014 18: 03
    "After the Pereyaslav Rada, the Grand Duchy of Moscow was transformed into a great empire"
    What nonsense? It has long been a "kingdom" rather than a principality.
  38. -4
    6 July 2014 18: 12
    It is advisable to return the death penalty to repeat killers and lawless bribe takers.


    And how else can you evaluate this:

    Oleg Tsarev was banned from entering Russia. The reason for this was numerous (we quote): embezzlement of public funds. The money that went to help civilians and militants settled in the pockets of Tsarev and his associates, said the famous economist, director of the Institute for East European Development Research Institute, Andrei Istevich.
    According to him, Tsarev managed to get rich by $ 40 million in a matter of weeks. This money was intended for the population of Donbass and partly for the militias, but by no means should they go to Tsarev’s personal needs.
    The first to know the situation was Mr. Glazyev, and he reported where he should be about embezzlement of funds in especially large ones. If Tsarev were a citizen of the Russian Federation, a prison would become for him the mildest option of punishment, ”Istevich summarizes.
    In the meantime, Tsarev is wanted on the territory of Ukraine, and became the persona non grata in Russia.
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 18: 21
      If this is true, then I am not surprised.
      The time there is muddy, and it gives rise to the same personalities.
      But I won’t be surprised if this is bullshit. No one has canceled the propaganda war.
      Another thing is interesting - if this is true, then under what budget item were these 40 million allocated? To healthcare? Retired and benefits? On subsidies to agricultural producers?
      After all, there is probably no item in the budget "assistance to the Donbass and the militia."
      1. 0
        6 July 2014 19: 27
        Forty lemons of dollars? Too suspiciously high amount. Was she at all? I think that the authorities of New Russia will quickly deal with this
    2. 0
      6 July 2014 23: 33
      what is the ban ??? Now Soloviev speaks ???
    3. Kazak ermaka
      -1
      6 July 2014 23: 34
      Strelkova will not go far. Tsarev failed oligarch
  39. +2
    6 July 2014 18: 37
    The people that are there with Slavyansk .. Yu-V ..? I'm in a stupor now .. bad damn it’s insulting to drink ..
  40. +1
    6 July 2014 18: 41
    Battalion commander "Kiev-1": We announce the hunt for Girkin

    The commander of the battalion of the National Guard of Ukraine "Kiev-1" Yevgeny Deydey in a comment to the correspondent of the "Chief" said that the National Guard declares a hunt for Strelka-Girkin. According to Evgeny Deidey, having entered Slavyansk and communicated with the locals, the National Guard fighters saw how much trouble and loss the pro-Russian terrorists brought to the city. In particular, about 10% of buildings are destroyed or damaged.

    Source: newsdaily.com.ua/post/331848

    Their ears are from a dead donkey and not a Russian officer! He will definitely come back remember this ..
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 19: 30
      Buildings, too, Strelkov damaged?
  41. BelPartizan
    0
    6 July 2014 18: 43
    The Ukrainian army is trying to cut the strategic road between Donetsk and Lugansk

    Ukrainian security forces and militias of the self-proclaimed Donetsk people's republic are fighting near the height of Saur-Mogil, the militia headquarters reported

    “Saur-Mogila is a strategic height that covers the route from Donetsk to the Luhansk region and to Russia. Now we are in control of it, and the security forces are trying to take it, ”a militia representative told RIA Novosti.

    In addition, according to the militia, the DPR tank in the vicinity of the village of Dmitrovka was knocked out by the Ukrainian T-64 tank. The militias also managed to inflict significant damage on the Azov National Guard Guard battalion. Recall that it was this battalion that participated in the massacre of the male population in the village of Saurovka.

    During World War II, there were bloody battles between the Soviet and Nazi troops on Saur-Mogile. In June, militiamen were already able to capture eight Ukrainian paratroopers in this area.

    Meanwhile, according to eyewitnesses, shots from artillery shells and automatic bursts are heard in Lugansk. The mayor of Ukrainian Lugansk, Sergey Kravchenko, asks residents not to leave home due to the aggravation of the situation in the city. As a result of shelling of the bus station, a civilian was killed, four people were injured.





    The night before, the enemy fired on LPR army positions in the Krasnoyarsk region. In turn, the Lugansk militias continued shelling the Lugansk airport.

    In the morning, the Ukrainian Air Force launched a missile strike in the area of ​​Lysychansk, continued shelling of the suburbs of Krasnodon and Sverdlovsk, medium-intensity fire was fired on the border village of Izvarino.

    http://www.ukraina.ru/news/20140706/1009734341.html
  42. 0
    6 July 2014 18: 52
    http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1106736/
    DPR militia defeated the Azov battalion at Saur-Grave: dozens of dead
    Shooter works .. you dill!
  43. +1
    6 July 2014 19: 14
    The author wrote a good fairy tale. Only there is no one to implement, the patriots of Slavic and Orthodox orientations degenerated, with the exception of the New Russians, who unfortunately are very few (I mean patriots, but there are a lot of waiting people) And under the leadership of Potroshenko, the Nazis will now flood the cities of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk with blood .
  44. 0
    6 July 2014 19: 18
    Quote: Sour
    Sour (2) Today, 18:21 ↑
    If this is true, then I am not surprised.


    http://politobzor.net/show-27643-olegu-carevu-zapretili-vezd-v-rossiyu.html
  45. 0
    6 July 2014 19: 29
    The article shows that they smell dill whose meat was sheared and it seems they are again trying to cling to Russia. Get Judas. We have a little scribe in our RUSSIA!
  46. -1
    6 July 2014 19: 30
    2014 Slavyansk analogy ...
    While there, in a clearing, there was a battle, in a hollow, in the thickets of juniper, there must have been a sanitary company. The wounded were taken here and laid on pillows from needles. And so they lay now in rows under the canopy of bushes, half-covered and completely covered with snow. At first glance it became clear that they did not die of wounds. Someone with clever strokes of the knife cut the throat of them all, and they lay in identical poses, leaning their heads far away, as if trying to peer what was being done behind them. The mystery of the terrible picture was immediately clarified. Under a pine tree, near the snow-covered body of a Red Army man, holding his head in his lap, a sister sat, waist-deep in the snow, a small, fragile girl in an earflap, tied with ribbons under her chin. A knife hilt sticking out between her shoulder blades, gleaming with polish. Nearby, clutching each other's throats in the last deadly battle, a German in a black uniform of SS troops and a Red Army man with a head bandaged with bloody gauze froze. Alexei immediately realized that this one in black had killed the wounded with his knife, stabbed his sister and then was seized by a man he had not finished off, who put all the forces of his dying life into the fingers that squeezed the throat of the enemy.
    So they were buried by a blizzard - a fragile girl in earflaps, covering her body with a wounded man, and these two, the executioner and the avenger, who clung to each other at her feet, shod in old tarpaulin boots with wide legs.
    For a few moments Meresyev stood astounded, then hobbled to his sister and pulled a dagger from her body. It was an SS knife made in the form of an ancient German sword, with a mahogany hilt, into which a silver SS sign was cut. The inscription “Alles für Deutschland” was preserved on the rusty blade. Alexei removed the leather sheath of the dagger from the SS man. A knife was needed along the way. Then he dug out a snowy, icy raincoat from under the snow, carefully covered her sister’s corpse with it, laid down several pine branches ...
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 21: 00
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Then he dug out a snowy, icy raincoat from under the snow, carefully covered her sister’s corpse with it, laid down several pine branches ...

      The story of a real man ...
      why so?
  47. 0
    6 July 2014 19: 31
    THE GODS WERE SOLD FROM THE BEGINNING (WE KNOW TO WHOM), AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS NOT SO DIFFICULT WHEN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE ETERNAL MOOD OF THE "WESTERN", YES MANY OTHER MIRACLES ...
  48. +1
    6 July 2014 19: 43
    Well, business ... According to feng shui, the flag is wrong, leads to a dead end. The theme of the anthem was slammed by the Poles ... "Something is wrong in the Danish kingdom"!
  49. +1
    6 July 2014 19: 54
    Disinformation is the perfection that the shooter is fluent in
    That's for sure ..! A very interesting moment.
    [quote] These photos appeared on the network, and
    about the fact that, allegedly, ours went light, leaving all their weapons and saving only the personnel. But nothing that all this expired junk from dill depots for hell no one needs. But it’s nothing that the breakthrough was carefully prepared for three weeks and not a single mole about it was either a dream or a spirit. Bu-ha-ha, Tsarev in an interview on Vesti declares that the surrender of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk is a dill media victory.

    If you call this a victory, then I don’t understand anything at all: Sonderkommands move in groups of at least twenty people in two occupied cities and only under cover of armor. As soon as ukropovoen gape, so once the ax-head. The RDGs left in the cities are made up of adrenaline addicts, soldiers for whom war is the meaning of life, and dill and national draftees who played paintball at most. Now, the situation inside the DNI. A very good analysis was given by my friend.

    The forces of New Russia are also heterogeneous, as are the forces opposing them. You can only guess who is behind whom, the motives of actions are quite hidden.
    But sometimes these connections are manifested. Especially in times of crisis.

    An undeniable crisis occurred yesterday. Strelkov left Slavyansk. He went to Donetsk. That second point is very important. Will he consolidate power in the DPR? We will see.
    Strelkov’s departure from Slavyansk-Kramatorsk is connected with a clear choice of the trajectory of the conflict, where Strelka suffered a beautiful death, and now he and the forces behind him have a fairly wide range of opportunities to influence the situation, primarily politically and organizationally.
    Who is behind Strelkov? I can not say. Everything is quite confusing. There is one indisputable fact - for many it has become a symbol of the Russian spring, although he himself modestly denies this. And if Strelkov can put things in order with the authorities in the SE, then this will be to the benefit of the Russian world. The task is daunting. And it is not a fact that even comrades of the type of Beard may not be ready for such a turn of events. As a stroke, I note that Boroday seems to be absent from SE now.

    Fully here mir-mag.livejournal.com/66936.html
    From myself I will add the following points. Now, more than ever, we need to consolidate power in New Russia, we need an iron, solid, not trembling hand to restore order there. First of all, in Donetsk, because a bunch of Tsarev-Bolotov now operates in Lugansk, and the latter, apparently, managed to get out of Efremov’s influence. So about Donetsk, there Strelkov will act tough, as he knows how, remember the shooting of looters, after which he allegedly quarreled with Bezler? But nothing that Bezler was his commander in the First Chechen? And it was not for nothing that he stopped at Bes in Gorlovka yesterday. Chapai thought)))). And today, according to some reports, the Minister of Defense of the DPR finally arrived in Donetsk.,
    But all this is not yet accurate, so, at the level of rumors. One thing is known that all border crossings in the LPR were unblocked and held by Mozgovoy, and in the DPR, Kozitsin, the one who does not obey Strelkov. He obeys Snezhny, is based with his Cossack fighters in Anthracite. And in Snezhnoye, who, until now, is a mystery, is a great mystery, it is only known that the dill that tucked in there was so tough that it still bypasses this town for several tens of miles.

    And the last: a girl from Donetsk at night saw through the window such that she now fully believes in the victory and birth of New Russia. And you say Putensil, no-fly zone, etc. Yes, there is no need for a no-fly zone. Steshin read yesterday?))) The range is eight kilometers.

    UPD. "On the morning of Strelkov's arrival in Donetsk, Khodakovsky, with personal security, left the location of the Vostok battalion and went to Mariupol. He did not try fate)))" The rat ran away))))) [quote] [/ quote]
    We’ll fight again ...
  50. +2
    6 July 2014 20: 18
    Quote: enot73
    Buildings, too, Strelkov damaged?

    Yeah, I personally bit! I’m on the maidan, I’m jealous with the ability of Ukrosmrad to turn everything upside down, so soon Chikatilo will be declared a hero of Ukraine, he also killed mos.kaley
  51. sds
    sds
    0
    6 July 2014 20: 36
    Обратили внимание, что это знатный историк к значительным политическим деятелям российской государственности отнёс Скоропадского? laughing
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 21: 07
      Видимо, имеется ввиду не гетман Павло Скоропадский (деятель Гражданской войны 20-го века), а гетман Иван Скоропадский, который возглавлял в Полтавской битве отряды украинских казаков, сохранивших верность России и не ушедших с Мазепой.
  52. +1
    6 July 2014 20: 58
    У Украинцев каша в голове!!! Задурили голову им и сейчас дурят!!!
  53. +3
    6 July 2014 21: 03
    Quote: Vesnik
    Quote: portoc65
    Yes, and there was no time .. Ukraine is a walk in the field ...

    I do not agree!
    Ukraine for me is Bogdan Khmelnitsky with Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, Khortytsya, Bakhmut (Bakhmut shly), cut down Cossack stone crosses in our cemetery, Taras Shevchenko (little garden of the hut), but not all this Bendery drag.
    Kuban in this case, too, no .. but it is. And this part of the population with its history cannot be ignored.

    Где модераторы? Что делает здесь, укропская шваль с промытыми пропагандой мозгами. Дружище ты в курсе, что твои укропские патриоты писали что родина казаков - Луги? А козак, это "косак" - чуб! То бишь "вольные косари с Луг", это уще при Ярославе Мудром. А Луги, у нас где? Смотрим современный Луганск и ДонБас! am smile Так какие же вы, галичане и западенцы - козаки? И более того какая Хортица - родина козачества?
  54. +2
    6 July 2014 21: 08
    Скоропадских 2 было. Петр Канашевич и немецкий ставленник(уже 20 век)
    Первый вел переговоры с царем, осаждал Москву, воевал с московитами(на тот период он служил Речи Посполитой) турками и татарами.
    Второй "управлял Украиной для немцев после 1 мировой"
    Не думаю что у нас каша в голове. Несмотря на пропаганду она все таки в СМИ. Вырубаем зомбоящик и все ок. Идем на море идем на работу-отдыхаем делимся новостями(с мобильных от родственников) узнаем правду.
    Штампы поведения нам только СМИ накладывают(впрочем как и вам)
    Смениться риторика СМИ(с истеричного зомбирования) будет все нормально.
    Меня удивляет не зомбирование украинцев, а формирование мнения в РФ по поводу Украины и украинцев. Мнения что украинцы виноваты во всем плохом в РИ и СССР, что они все развалили, что они всегда предавали--откуда это? Подозрение что у вас там уже роют ответную яму ненависти. Если тут роют давно с переменным успехом то у вас я удивлен. Что не комментарий то так же само обвиняют украинцев во всех смертных грехах. В чем разница между цензор нет и ВО? Скоро будет никакой разницы. Тут даже быстрее идет процесс "поиска вины украинцев" чем поиск вины русских на Украине!
    1. +3
      6 July 2014 21: 19
      Quote: Cristall
      Первый вел переговоры с царем, осаждал Москву, воевал с московитами(на тот период он служил Речи Посполитой) турками и татарами.

      Было два гетмана Скоропадских - Иван и Павел.
      Никто из них Москву не осаждал. Вы, наверное, с Сагайдачным попутали.
      Я щирый и свидомый моцкаль, но украинскую историю знаю получше Вашего.
      Quote: Cristall
      Меня удивляет не зомбирование украинцев, а формирование мнения в РФ по поводу Украины и украинцев.

      Это очень сложная тема. Всё это началось ещё до распада СССР и даже до краха РИ. Кто начал? Это как посмотреть.
      1. 0
        7 July 2014 00: 25
        верно, я задумался о том что на купюрах не хватает Сагайдака и понеслось..
        не следует хвалиться о знании истории -тут я действительно перепутал.задумался(там было куча комментов о купюрах и о значении)
        Кстати я русскую(российскую историю) знаю лучше украинской и намного лучше россиян(в частности моей жены)
        но тут хвалиться нечем--полный упадок системы образования СССР что у вас что у нас..
        Quote: Sour
        Это очень сложная тема. Всё это началось ещё до распада СССР и даже до краха РИ. Кто начал? Это как посмотреть.

        а тут я заметил, что в настроении ВО именно за 2 недели посыпались мнения о "вине украинцев" чуть ли не в всемирном потопе. Я когда то предупреждал сообщество о том что скоро украинцев обвинят в уничтожении СССР--и что то очень быстро это случилось..Скоро Николая "убьют" и РЯВ сольют и Восточную войну проиграют специально.
        Не знаю насколько давно но резких перемен в настроении и обвинении--вижу буквально вот 2 недели...
    2. 0
      6 July 2014 22: 25
      Quote: Cristall
      В чем разница между цензор нет и ВО? Скоро будет никакой разницы. Тут даже быстрее идет процесс "поиска вины украинцев" чем поиск вины русских на Украине!

      Examples please.
      1. 0
        7 July 2014 00: 33
        Quote: samoletil18
        Examples please.

        эта тема перечитайте--комментарий
        усредненно
        Они(украинцы) всегда были такими(предателями врагами народа)
        всегда предавали, всегда воровали
        Они разрушили СССР(это вообще мне понравилось)
        Усреднено если в Украине счас "мос.л.ей на гиляку" то уже по этим комментариям "хох..лов на вилы"
        обоснования Во всех бедах виноваты кляти мос.ли--а тут во всех бедах виноваты украинцы. Идентично? Совпадает методика? Где собака порылась, что одинаково стравливают? по обе стороны границы одни и те же приемы!
        Почему не ведется контр борьба? Или выгодно на всех этапах?
        Боюсь обработка населения ведется ускоренно... и тоже образ врага внедряется по той же методичке, что у нас.Неужели вас не учит наш пример?
        ВО -это всего лишь ресурс с определенной репутацией посетителей. Согласно репутации-здесь минимальное было количество ура патриотов и всепросральщиков с носителями идей о "врагах ближних"...но количество их растет...что превращает ресурс из ВО в РОСЦЕНЗОР НЕТ No.
        И что странно мало кто борется с этим...
  55. +1
    6 July 2014 21: 42
    Ключевая фраза статьи - "Бизнес должен быть исключён из власти"
    1. +1
      6 July 2014 21: 45
      Absolutely right.
      Не менее (а может, и более) важно исключить власть из бизнеса.
      To each his own.
  56. Nina Zima
    +2
    6 July 2014 21: 43
    Vladimir Icon of the Mother of God
    Владимирская икона Божией Матери (икона Богородицы) считается чудотворной и, по преданию, написана евангелистом Лукою на доске из того стола, за которым трапезовало Святое Семейство: Спаситель, Богородица и праведный Иосиф Обручник. Божия Матерь, увидев этот образ, произнесла: «Отныне ублажат Меня все роды. Благодать Рождавшегося от Меня и Моя с этой иконой да будет». В Россию икона была завезена из Византии в начале 12 века, как подарок Юрию Долгорукому от Константинопольского Патриарха Луки Хризоверха. Икону поставили в женском монастыре Вышгорода, недалеко от Киева, слух о ее чудотворениях дошел до сына Юрия Долгорукого, князя Андрея Боголюбского, который и решил перевезти икону на север. Проезжая Владимир, лошади, везшие чудотворную икону, встали и не могли двинуться с места. Замена лошадей новыми также не помогла. Князь увидел в этом желание Божией Матери остаться во Владимире, где за два года и был сооружен храм Успения Богородицы. Празднование в честь Владимирской иконы Пресвятой Богородицы бывает несколько раз в году (3 июня, 6 июля, 8 сентября). Наиболее торжественное празднование совершается 8 сентября (по новому стилю), установленное в честь сретения Владимирской иконы при перенесении ее из Владимира в Москву. Празднество установлено в память спасения Москвы в 1521 году от нашествия татар под предводительством хана Махмет-Гирея. Татарские полчища приближались к Москве, предавая огню и разрушению русские города и селения, истребляя их жителей. Великий князь Василий собирал войско против татар, а Московский митрополит Варлаам вместе с жителями Москвы усердно молился об избавлении от гибели. Владимирская икона Божией Матери В это грозное время одна благочестивая слепая инокиня имела видение: из Спасских ворот Кремля выходили московские святители, покидая город и унося с собой Владимирскую икону Божией Матери — главную святыню Москвы — в наказание Божие за грехи ее жителей. У Спасских ворот святителей встретили преподобные Сергий Радонежский и Варлаам Хутынский, слезно умоляя их не оставлять Москвы. Все они вместе принесли Господу пламенную молитву о прощении согрешивших и избавлении Москвы от врагов. После этой молитвы святители возвратились в Кремль и внесли обратно Владимирскую святую икону. Подобное же видение было и московскому святому, блаженному Василию, которому было открыто, что заступлением Божией Матери и молитвами святых Москва будет спасена. Татарскому хану было видение Божией Матери, окруженной грозным войском, устремившимся на их полки. Татары в страхе бежали, столица Русского государства была спасена. Перед иконой Божией Матери «Владимирская» совершались многие важнейшие государственные акты России: присяга на верность Родине, молитвы перед военными походами, избрание всероссийских Патриархов. Таким образом, неоднократно Пресвятая Заступница рода человеческого являла милость к земле нашей через Свою святую икону «Владимирскую».

    Happy Holidays!
    1. +3
      6 July 2014 21: 55
      Радуйся, Пречистая, от иконы Твоея милости нам источающая.
  57. +1
    6 July 2014 21: 46
    Quote: vlad-58
    signature ??? what are these signatures? who will they stop? and who will stop? The UN or what? yes, the UN is a former "league of nations", as an international organization has completely outlived its usefulness, one resolution on Russia - a "terrorist" is worth it!
    like Mark Twain: "It (or the situation ...) can be corrected only by a bullet from a good gun, and I don't see any other way! ..

    DEAR, YOU HAVE USED "VERY MANY EXTRA" BOOKS ", EASIER TO GO ON THE LINK AND SIGN,
    DO NOT FILM ...

    ... IF YOU REMEMBER TO RUSSIA AND CHINA IN RESPECT TO SYRIA THERE WERE HEARD ...

    DON'T NEED TO JOKE, YOU ARE AN ADULT PERSON ...
  58. portoc65
    +1
    6 July 2014 21: 46
    ПОСЛЕДНИЕ НОВОСТИ-Ополченцы ДНР разгромили батальон «Азов» у Саур-Могилы: десятки убитых +34 Сегодня, 21:19 • Опубл.: Nikolaj • Просм.: 3402 • Комм.: 8 • События в мире Ополченцы ДНР разгромили батальон «Азов» у Саур-Могилы: десятки убитых Ополченцы Донецкой народной республики заявили, что смогли уничтожить более 200 украинских силовиков и танк Т-64 в боях возле города Снежное у границы с Ростовской областью. Украинские войска понесли тяжелые потери, пытаясь отбить у ополченцев стратегическую высоту — курган Саур-Могила. Это одна из самых высоких точек в Донецкой области, с которой очень удобно контролировать дорогу из Донецка в Луганскую область. О боях, в которых был задействован украинский батальон «Азов», рассказал «Интерфаксу» представитель штаба ополчения в Снежном. По его словам, за минувшие три дня батальон, состоявший из 300 человек, потерял до 70 процентов личного состава убитыми и ранеными. Кроме того, под селом Дмитровка замаскированный танк ополчения уничтожил украинский Т-64. Сегодня батальон «Азов» был отозван из зоны боевых действий для переформирования. Источник: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1106736/

    Источник: http://politikus.ru/events/23569-opolchency-dnr-razgromili-batalon-azov-u-saur-m
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    Politikus.ru
  59. 0
    6 July 2014 22: 39
    Quote: portoc65
    Yes, and there was no time .. Ukraine is a walk field ... Where power is a product of purchase and sale

    Вопрос об Украине не простой.
    Украины, как государства практически нет. Ибо нет признаной истории Украины. да ей и взяться неоткуда, ибо даже запорожским казакам было бы не объяснить, что они не русские (православные) люди.
    Есть украинский язык, который полноценным до сих пор не стал, ибо организация производства в среде этого "языка" за 23 года окончилась ничем. все трудовые действия. даже торговля на больше части укротерритории , осуществляется на русском.
    Даже укрозвёзды норовят зарабатывать на русском языке.

    Вопрос о язякке особенно страшен для укров еще и тем, что придуман он был Тарасом Шевченко, который был выкуплен из крепостных русскими офицерами. то есть Шевченко придумал этот самый письменный язык совсем недавно, немногим более 100 лет назад, на русской территории, и сам стал не нем писать, по сути графоманствовать.

    При этом Н.В. Гоголь писал на русском, Украину любил не меньше шевченко, но украинцы считают его русским писателем.

    Получается, до недавних событий русские сделали для самоопределения украинцев больше, чем сами будущие украинцы.
    Но допустить, чтобы эти самые украинцы пели нам, "никогда мы не будем братьями", мы не можем. Те, кто такие песни поет должны понимать, что это, как бы это сказать помягче, ... наказуемо.
    И никакие амер.ы их от братского наказания не спасут.

    And more.
    Ситуация движется в сторону, когда украинцы саморазделятся на русских (новорусских) и нелюдей-бандеровцев.
    1. portoc65
      0
      6 July 2014 22: 58
      Красиво сказал..полностью согласен.
    2. 0
      7 July 2014 00: 44
      Quote: Sergey S.
      Тарасом Шевченко, который был выкуплен из крепостных русскими офицерами. то есть Шевченко придумал этот самый письменный язык совсем недавно, немногим более 100 лет назад, на русской территории, и сам стал не нем писать, по сути графоманствовать.

      выкуплен Брюловым, Тарас был гениальным (для возраста) художником. Писателем он стал позже.
      Украинский язык(наречие далект называйте как хотите) существовал в разной форме со времен Руси. Носители -русины. В разных государствах(Московском царстве и Гетьманщине) он по разному изменялся(в тех же белорусских землях)
      все равно пишете что он диалект русского а саомму понять что это один и тот же язык просто измененный за время своего существования. Украинской кстати ближе ко многим языкам славян, чем русский...а слова "жито" "серпень" гораздо древнее чем рожь или август(август как раз римское слово-мы все помним Августа который и внес это в календарь)
      можно до бесконечности выяснять то что понятно и без вас
      Это один и тот же язык-измененный за время своего существования-разными влияниями и реформами(русский гораздо чаще изменялся)
      Все попытки представить что украинский -никакой язык поскольку диалект--неверны(он же был тут до воссоединения и был тут с историей человека на этой земле)
      А вот сами попытки сказать что украинского языка нет, нет культуры этого языка--это попытки унизить...Присвоить общее.. Вряд ли я могу найти разумное объяснения этим эмоциональным поступкам.При том что думаю на русском.Мне непонятны наезды русских на язык--есть у них язык и хорошо, вовсе он не диалект.Если бы поляки его выдумали был бы латиница как и австрийцы...
      Могу привести примеры где украинский язык гораздо ближе к Руси чем русский...и гораздо ближе к истории чем русский..
      1. 0
        7 July 2014 03: 25
        Quote: Cristall
        А вот сами попытки сказать что украинского языка нет, нет культуры этого языка--это попытки унизить...Присвоить общее.. Вряд ли я могу найти разумное объяснения этим эмоциональным поступкам.При том что думаю на русском.Мне непонятны наезды русских на язык--есть у них язык и хорошо, вовсе он не диалект.Если бы поляки его выдумали был бы латиница как и австрийцы...
        Могу привести примеры где украинский язык гораздо ближе к Руси чем русский...и гораздо ближе к истории чем русский..


        Диалект, такой же как и великорусский и белорусский. Вот только малороссы зачем-то сделали из него элемент отчуждения и русофобии. А наши лингвисты доморощенные любят из-за этого на мову нападать, что тоже крайне неумно.
  60. +1
    6 July 2014 23: 15
    Редакция. Какого лешего допускаете рекламу п*ор*но на сайте??!!
    Или беспокоитесь , что желающие сами не найдут angry
  61. +1
    6 July 2014 23: 15
    Quote: sly fox
    and the author is the most naive
    agree completely
  62. +1
    6 July 2014 23: 18
    убогие они кокие-то . Историю не учили. Синдром провинции даёт о себе знать. Придётся за это расплатитьсая .
  63. +1
    6 July 2014 23: 31
    Базовым для чиновника должен стать оклад школьного учителя. Президент получает, к примеру, 5 окладов учителя, министр и депутат Верховной Рады — 4. Никаких льгот. с таким раскладом у них и чиновников не будет. Больно хилая кормушка lol
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    1. +3
      6 July 2014 23: 37
      Долго думал куда ты это фото пристроить.
  65. +2
    6 July 2014 23: 38
    Модераторы с админами, а это что за пopнyxa на рекламном банере этого сайта?!!!! Что за бардак тут начался?!!!
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 01: 31
      Администрация, спасибо, что убрали эту гадость. hi Думается, что это была провокация рекламодателя.
  66. +1
    7 July 2014 00: 05
    Вот как же так можно так уверенно писать: " Французская королева Анна, дочь Ярослава Мудрого, оставила нам письменные сообщения о том, насколько ее новые подданные французы уступали древним русичам в культурном и экономическом развитии....".
    Кто нибудь видел эти "письменные сообщения" ? Кто-нибудь видел, чтобы хоть кто-то в своих мемуарах отметил, что, да, я видел (а) эти "письменные сообщения", которые затем бесследно пропали (сгорели, утонули.) ?
    Приятно конечно, верить в эту красивую легенду, но она увы, не подтверждена ничем.
  67. 0
    7 July 2014 02: 28
    Case smells like kerosene
  68. kondor-10
    +1
    7 July 2014 02: 38
    Время бездарно упущено.От полного развала Украину могла бы спасти только Россия,которая находится на распутье.Спасать Украину или не спасать?В том виде в котором она сегодня представляется миру ,это что-то вроде бешенной собаки,которую вроде-как и убить жалко,вылечить невозможно ,и,держать при себе опасно.Уже, сейчас, Украина полностью лишилась суверенитета,попав под патронаж США,и,стала её покорным сателлитом,нищим и убогим.Украина находится в такой смрадной трясине,что нет у неё своих сил из неё выбраться.Обидно,что этого она сама не замечает,или преднамеренно тонет в этой бездне.
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 02: 42
      Удивляет их слепота!
  69. +1
    7 July 2014 02: 56
    Очень необычный взгляд на события у автора Александра Афанасьева. http://samlib.ru/a/afanasiev_a_w/nauhodstrelkowaizslawjanska.shtml
    Чтобы заинтересовать, разбор ситуации "а что, если Стрелков так же организованно покинет Новороссию? " поверьте, ответ нетривиальный. Ведь на незалежной выборы на носу. А тут с фронта возвращаются нацгвардейцы с оружием, и понимают, что к столу их не приглашали.
    Маленькая победоносная война нужна власти, а "бой с тенью?".
    Минусы не ставьте, это мнение не мое, но очень неглупый и нетривиальный анализ вариантов.
  70. 0
    7 July 2014 03: 00
    Ребята укропы. Вы должны уже понять. Ваши жалкие потуги расстроить НАС РУССКИХ своими обижалками ни к чему не приводят. Ибо только вы падшие до такой степени люди можете наслаждатся агрессией и матом в адрес страны которая всю жизнь вас бережёт.
  71. 0
    7 July 2014 03: 15
    Вот он сепаратизм в действии.
  72. Shurshyk
    0
    7 July 2014 04: 00
    Quote: Naum
    Кубань - полиэтническое образование с преобладанием выходцев из Малороссии. То же можно сказать и о Западе Ростовской области, где преобладают слобожане

    Насмешил. Ростовская, Луганская и Донецкая области были Землей Войска Донского. Две последние области были переданы УССР в целях борьбы с казачеством (расказачивание). Станицы и хутора заселялись переселенцами из центральной украины по причине того, что казаки и х...лы недолюбливали друг друга. Шахтерские поселки заселялись выходцами из центральной России. Ростовская обл., в силу многонациональности (казаки, пришлые, армяне, евреи, корейцы, калмыки и т.д.) и географического положения (ворота на Кавказ)осталась в составе РСФСР.
  73. 0
    7 July 2014 07: 56
    Украина развалена, как государство, собрать будет очень трудно, а то и невозможно.
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