Poroshenko went for broke! And what are we?

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Poroshenko went for broke! And what are we?


First the facts.

1. We (when I say “we”, I mean officials of the government of the Russian Federation, which means actions of our power structures, approved by the majority of our population), recognized Poroshenko as elected and legitimate president of Ukraine.

2. We made a number of attempts to reach an agreement with this “president” with the participation of high-level mediators from the “enlightened and developed” world on the issue of peace in south-eastern Ukraine, or, at worst, a temporary truce.

3. We actually ensured the observance of this temporary truce, to the extent possible in this situation, and contributed in every way to it.

4. The President of the Russian Federation annulled his right to use the armed forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine.

Further, the facts should be divided into a separate category, since they are a consequence of the previous ones.

1. Ukrainian President P. Poroshenko ceasefire ceased immediately as soon as allowed the minimum period of the cease-fire.

2. During the truce, the Russian side conducted international consultations at the UN; called for the extension of the truce and the search for a compromise on overcoming the crisis; showed maximum openness; invited international observers to assess and monitor current events; An important point is that in all media it has positioned a clearly positive thrust of the truce and a high probability of further peace negotiations, while practically silencing the violation of the truce on both sides.

The Ukrainian side organized and carried out the reorganization of the forces and means for conducting an offensive operation; continued the information war aimed at creating an image of the enemy in a resident of southeastern Ukraine and cultivating the instinct of the need to destroy it.

3. Currently, the Ukrainian authorities are conducting a large-scale offensive operation using aviation, artillery, heavy equipment, and it already brings a certain result (Slavyansk, for example, is already "liberated").

4. The militia (for those treated by the Ukrainian "free" media, of course - the terrorists) lose ground, die, retreat, are captured.

5. The civilian population located in the ATO zone (and there really is such) tries to leave this very zone and is subjected to targeted fire from all kinds weapons.

6. The number of victims of clashes in the blink of an eye has increased significantly, the so-called Ukrainian armed forces destroy everything that falls into their zone of visibility.

7. Ukrainian media report on the success of the ATO, and even the Russian media finally, at least once, show real sacrifices.

These are not all the facts that demonstrate what is happening in Ukraine, but even on this basis it is possible to carry out a specific analysis and draw conclusions, and they, unfortunately, are as follows:

1. We once again played by the rules of others and tactically lost. In Ukraine, people are dying, houses are being destroyed, this is no longer a humanitarian catastrophe, which is spoken about from screens, and even non-civil war is a crime against humanity!

This scenario has already been worked out more than once in Chechnya - and again they stepped on the same rake. As an average person, I have the following opinion - given the unequivocally negative results of such truces in Chechnya, understanding what consequences they may cause, our government is really looking for a peaceful solution to the current crisis. We really gave P. Poroshenko the opportunity to try to solve the matter with the world, but he (fully justifying my personal expectations) has rejected this opportunity, and now bears full responsibility for everything that is happening in Ukraine.

And, cynically, tactically, we lost, but strategically won.

No matter which way you look, Russia takes unprecedented steps to restore peace in Ukraine, often to the detriment of itself, its image, its economy, but the Ukrainian government, on the contrary, behaves like a gangster of the smallest possible offense responsible, informed decisions, in which every problem has one solution: there is no person — there is no problem, and all life plans are as follows: stole, drank, in jail.

2. P. Poroshenko, not being a responsible and far-sighted politician, went all in and decided, by all means, to “clear out” the south-east of Ukraine.

In a way, I understand him. It is enough to recall two Chechen wars in order to understand what it is like to have, to put it mildly, a hotbed of instability and tension in the territory of your state. But the trouble is that the goals for the elimination of this outbreak are completely different for us and for him. Russia needed to solve the Chechen issue in order to eliminate the bridgehead of the Western states, created by them for the further spread of instability to other territories of the Russian Federation. Ukraine, however, needs to “clear out” the south-east in order to eliminate the buffer zone in the territory with Russia, through which at the moment all active actions against Russia are impossible; to consolidate everything, without exception, the population within the borders of Ukraine and to direct the discontent of this population against Russia. And the fact that there will be dissatisfaction is not yet clear only to Ukrainians, but just for them, poor fellows, there is nowhere to go, the loans of “assistants in the struggle for freedom and democracy, and for the good of Ukraine” have already driven them into bondage, but this is not yet felt. And when they feel it, it’s necessary that the whole united Ukraine in a single impulse understands who is to blame for everything, and then you don’t need to go to the fortuneteller that we will. But for this there should be no dissenters.

It seems everything is correct, but the experience of solving the same Chechen problem shows that this conflict cannot be solved by force, and if Poroshenko did dare to do it, it means that his goal is not peace, his goal is to further develop the military conflict and spread it to the territory Russia.

Here's a simple logic based on recent historical examples. And no exception or miracle should be expected here. The current Ukrainian government made its choice, it chose the most effective and simple way to solve the problem, as it seems to it, but this path will lead it to the final, already known for all Nazis from the Second World War. Yes, behind the back of this government are the same Nazis in the form of the United States, but this will not save either one or the other - the world, fortunately, is changing once again.

And now, in fact, the most important thing is: what do we have to do with it? Rather, what do we have here, and so it is clear, it will be correct to ask the question like this: what should we do?

Paradoxically, the answer lies on the surface and is already being implemented. In addition to what we are already doing, nothing else needs to be done.

If you stop thinking in the categories of Brazilian serials and every time follow the emotions, it becomes clear that our government is doing everything possible in this situation, and nothing else needs to be done.

Yes, we definitely have no right, I stress - neither legal, nor moral, no (if not just strong), - by force to interfere in resolving the situation in Ukraine. All the cries for the death of the brotherly people are in favor of the poor, we have already really lost this brotherly people, and he himself has done everything possible and impossible for this. It really is their choice, although I would say their payment, well, it’s impossible to sit in the fifth point on two chairs all my life and think that no one will bill you. It is impossible to cultivate fascism and hatred for a neighbor so that it does not affect you, especially if the neighbor is not a whipping boy.

And our global task is to protect our people, our people, to finally let people live for at least a few years in peace, at least with some small confidence in their future. For a long time, perhaps, we have solved all the problems with housing and public utilities, healthcare, education, poverty, social inequality, drug and alcohol addiction, mortality, protection of our borders and our territories? Yes, the list of unsolved problems in our country is endless!

But no! We will now forget once again about ourselves and downright from the sofas, from beer, the World Cup and TV sets, we will go to free our brotherly people, most of whom are confident that we are the real and main enemy!

No, if someone has not won back childhood in one place, for God's sake, go ahead, pass the border, give a weapon, go ahead and with a song! If there is no mind, responsibility for their families (or are they simply not there?), Their own country, if suddenly the patriotism and feeling of offended innocence leaped into exile (only where were you when otmazyvatsya from the army?), Then definitely ahead! Drum on the neck, bruise in all the belly, and so on ...

Only now there is no need for angry libel against our president, he, to my great happiness, thinks with his head and not another place, and, judging by everything, he understands that we are not a nation — the savior of all mankind. Enough! Hurried! Above the roof already!

Our country, playing by the rules of others, lost tens of millions of the best, I emphasize - the best - of lives, a myriad square kilometers of territories, factories, factories, everything that was created, in fact, by hard labor of ordinary people, we were thrown back for decades in development , everyday life, the social sphere, they tried to rise, but they bought us for sneakers. Enough! You have to start thinking with your head. We must finally begin to understand - we are not alone in this world, but we have no friends. Just so, two points, translated into plain Russian - no one will help us, but they certainly will interfere.

And all these hysterical calls for the salvation of the fraternal people ... Is it not time to think about how many times we helped various nations, and how many times these same people after us hayali, and at least once someone helped us. And with all this we help: refugees are taken for our budget funds, our gas is pumped to Ukraine, by reducing the budget places in universities for our students, students from Ukraine will study there, and our billions of rubles will be transferred to the Crimea, but Believe me, it will not be better for you personally, and how much more our officials will plunder for these good purposes, so it’s scary to imagine.

We have something to fight on the territory of our country, we have something to strive for and what to improve. The external enemy in the modern world is often created artificially or used to hide their own internal, really important problems. Let's start thinking with our head, stop following the mood and emotions, it's time to realize the responsibility for our home, our land. It’s time to finally grow up with such a long history.
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  1. portoc65
    +15
    7 July 2014 09: 43
    And WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM A MAN WHO FINANCED THE MAIDAN .. What kind of negotiations could there be with him?
    1. +21
      7 July 2014 09: 48
      I agree with the author that being carried away with the solution of external problems, you can discourage the appearance of infection in your own country.
      1. +4
        7 July 2014 13: 06
        hi
        In my opinion, the situation in the Donbass will be brought to the line explicit for Geyrop -
        - humanitarian catastrophe and mass deaths of civilians in areas of punitive operations,
        - aggravation of the social situation in the "continental" Ukraine due to the situation in the economy, fulfillment of the IMF requirements and Russia's protection of its economic interests after the signing of the Association Paras with the EU.
        At the same time, one should expect a deterioration in relations between America and Europe, in particular Germany, which America, as a dominant female, has long been standing across the throat and tired of worse than the bitter radish - i.e. the prevalence of national economic and business interests will rise above the interests of Unions and Alliances - as Uncle Pu has long been talking about.
        After which, an agreement will be concluded on the introduction of peacekeeping forces ...
        The term? - October-November month ....
        1. +4
          7 July 2014 21: 05
          Yes, you are an optimist, I see. And as for me - no one will introduce anything into Ukraine, especially Europe. How do you imagine the introduction of German or Italian peacekeepers? Or maybe American "peacekeepers"? wassat
          I think everyone will observe and condemn the "Russian separatists" from the outside until it reaches the Ukrainians themselves where they have gone. The fate of my people should serve you as an example, you, Ukrainians or Russians, who define themselves as being on the territory of Ukraine, should do everything to stop fratricide, first of all. And then sit down at the table and agree ... And I, as it were, am also an optimist ...
      2. +3
        7 July 2014 13: 47
        The problem is that, against the background of Ukraine, all our internal problems are very small, but not a solution to the Ukrainian one will aggravate all our internal problems a hundredfold .. And the saddest thing is that no solution is observed, but there is a tactic "maybe it will dissolve by itself" real deeds, only puffing of cheeks, thoughtful silence and other antics .. Those who want to know how it will end just need to remember about June 22, 41, of course it will not be one to one, but the general meaning will be the same ..
        1. +3
          7 July 2014 14: 20
          Quote: max702
          The problem is that against the background of Ukraine, all our internal problems are very small, but not the Ukrainian solution will exacerbate all our internal problems a hundred times ..

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          Yes, they have already aggravated ... Why not touch, or not, or just being done ... We need to give out lead parachutes to many "effective" managers, and they give them all gold ... Mantras about the development and modernization of industry can be published in more than one volume .. The federation is only in words, almost all industrial and agricultural assets in the regions have been bought up by Moscow and are slowly dying ... Regional budgets are in debt, just like Ukraine ... No words ...
    2. +9
      7 July 2014 10: 03
      Poroshenko, as president, a complete zero. With his understanding of life, only in the market to sell seeds, but to swear with other bazaar merchants.
      1. +1
        7 July 2014 11: 09
        Potroshenko is a problem of hungry and frozen maydauns and, unfortunately, the majority of Ukrainians.
      2. bpyotr
        +2
        7 July 2014 12: 19
        Quote: made13
        Potroshenko is a problem of hungry and frozen maydauns and, unfortunately, the majority of Ukrainians.

        At first, we do not recognize any of the newly elected presidents, except Yanukovych, then we recognize the first creature that came to hand and then we start blaming Alla for very specific results (I mean the results of the future), and our descendants will forgive us forgiveness!
        1. 0
          7 July 2014 14: 47
          The author - to compare the situation of New Russia with Chechnya is nonsense!
          The difference is not seen only, I'm sorry, a very narrow-minded person.
          Purely offhand - a lot of people were abducted by the Dnieper? Or have multimillion-dollar scams been made with payment advice notes? Maybe a bunch of fakes printed? People wanted to live a little freer! Everything could be reassured by federalization and the recognition of the Russian language. And to compare parashenka sv Dudaev ...
          Although ... in all cases, it could not do without Western influence - you are right.
          1. +1
            7 July 2014 18: 44
            Quote: Drednout
            Purely offhand - a lot of people were abducted by the Dnieper? Or have multimillion-dollar scams been made with payment advice notes? Maybe a bunch of fakes printed? People wanted to live a little freer! Everything could be reassured by federalization and the recognition of the Russian language. And to compare parashenka sv Dudaev ...

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            Plus, Chechnya immediately gained wide autonomy and squeezed out almost 58% of the armament of the units that were on its territory from the 1,5th Army, which was 1,5 dozen aircraft, XNUMX hundreds of armored vehicles, thousands of small arms barrels and grenade launchers ... With such a handicap, Strelkov I would have long ago smashed ukrovsko ... In addition, Dudayev was a high-ranking military man with a wide military education and immediately pulled up specialists in all types of equipment and military operations with money stolen from Moscow ... And Moscow did not stop financing the rebellious province, even knowing that tranches are stolen by militants and do not pay pensions, salaries or benefits ...
          2. 0
            7 July 2014 19: 38
            “Ukraine needs to“ clean up ”the southeast in order to eliminate the buffer zone on the territory with Russia, through which any active actions against Russia are impossible at the moment.” The author, what the hell are you talking about. Ukrainians are cleaning the southeast to attack Russia. Think of something more interesting.
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  2. +2
    7 July 2014 09: 46
    Parashenka went Va-Bank, and it would not have been better if he went to ---! If only I could take my legs out of this one of my own, "I went six, and the shorn himself returned." The Russians did not break the backbone like that, oh Waltzman Waltzman why did you study so badly at school?
    1. +2
      7 July 2014 11: 52
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Parashenka went Va-Bank, and it would not have been better if he went to ---! If only I could take my legs out of this one of my own, "I went six, and the shorn himself returned." The Russians did not break the backbone like that, oh Waltzman Waltzman why did you study so badly at school?

      let him not "break the ridge" of the Russian Federation. While he suits his owners, they will not give him offense. The Russian Federation will not be allowed to him, and the Ukrainians will appoint him as the leader of the nation. Nationalism is a powerful tool, even in an economically weakened country. He will play on it.
  3. +2
    7 July 2014 09: 47
    Proud racks mean confidence because of powerful patrons. Without the United States and NATO, this is not what they introduced.
    1. +6
      7 July 2014 11: 17
      usa must be destroyed!
  4. ilya_82
    +15
    7 July 2014 09: 48
    AND WE MAY REMEMBER EVERYTHING THAT THE PRESIDENT, RECEIVING THE PERMISSION OF THE SF ON THE POSSIBILITY OF USING THE RF AF IN THE TERRITORY OF UKRAINE, PROMOTED THE UPRISING IN THE EAST. PEOPLE BELIEVED THAT IN THE CASE OF GENOCIDE, THEY WILL BE HELPED. AND NOW HE JUST LOOKED AND THROWED THEM !!!! AND I DO NOT SHOULD BE SLEEPING ABOUT THAT I AM NOT STILL IN DONBASS. WITH SUCH POWER THE VETERANS OF AFGHAN AND CHECHNIA RECEIVED AN ANSWER FROM THE CHINUSH: “I DIDN'T SEND YOU THERE,” Ie THEY WERE JUST BETRATING THEM - AND THIS WILL ALWAYS BE IN OUR COUNTRY
    1. nikbor
      +7
      7 July 2014 09: 59
      No one provoked this uprising - they themselves began to see clearly. Donbass has always been a working elite, so it started .... but only the miners all work for Akhmetov ... You want to decide everything right away - but let's start by asking them not to hold a referendum! And they themselves will not understand each other in any way - and what would happen without such guys as Strelkov, Brain and others?
    2. nikbor
      +6
      7 July 2014 10: 02
      In Crimea, by the way, they immediately understood this - do you know what they say there? "We all went out of the houses into the streets, and they all sit there ..." And it was at the end of May! And so they still continue to sit and leave for Russia, which they found fault with ...
      1. diamond
        +6
        7 July 2014 11: 28
        Who and where went in the Crimea? there were more of these rallies in the Donbas than in Russia. and people came out because on March 4, Putin promised that in the event of aggression, if there is a request from Yanukovych, which already existed, he will take measures to protect the southeast. man said man did)) and now where to go? from SCS to tanks through a minefield?
    3. Bartolomiu
      +6
      7 July 2014 10: 31
      Quote: ilya_82
      And MAYBE REMEMBER EVERYTHING THAT THE PRESIDENT, GETTING THE PERMISSION OF THE FEDERATION OF THE FEDERATION ON THE POSSIBILITY OF USING THE RF FORCES IN THE TERRITORY OF UKRAINE, provoked an uprising in the East.

      In my opinion, he received this permission on the eve of the referendum in Crimea. And the goal was to ensure the security of the referendum, which was done. And in the Southeast, certain individuals played a big game of politics, took advantage of the current situation and began to proclaim independent republics without considering further actions. We led the situation into a dead end from which there is still no normal way out.

      In fact, such as Strelkov were forced to go to fight for the Russians in Ukraine because of all sorts of short-sighted Ponomarev and Pushins. No wonder they are now squabbling when Strelkov came to them with his fighters. And the people of Donbass really shouldn’t sit at the 23th point all these 5 years and watch how hatred towards everything Russian is cultivated in Ukraine. As expected, it did not work out. But the fact that this people should not be protected, the author is not right here, it is necessary, no matter what he is, not everything Russian in them is still lost, and the next will be us, the inhabitants of Russia.
      1. diamond
        +12
        7 July 2014 11: 30
        Dear, there are dozens of ways to help, ranging from arms supplies to no-fly zones. do not need to enter anything
        1. Bartolomiu
          +1
          7 July 2014 11: 57
          Quote: diamond
          Dear, there are dozens of ways to help, ranging from arms supplies to no-fly zones. do not need to enter anything

          If this is for me, then in my message there is not a word about the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine.
      2. yzaharov04
        -4
        7 July 2014 13: 10
        Yes, Cougar was right when he sang a song about GDP, by the way, this also applies to you!
    4. IGS
      +3
      7 July 2014 10: 54
      He provoked an uprising in the East. And now he just watched and threw them !!!!
      I ask again, i.e. if it weren’t for the damned m ... if they would sit quietly and drink beer, like six months ago, while the Natsik would have them? So? Do you consider them cattle? So which side are you on?
      PS And yes, why are you still not in the Donbass?
      1. BEGGAR
        -3
        7 July 2014 13: 41
        According to Moscow media, people voted for the DPR and LPR by 90%. These are ordinary people, not everyone who knows how to handle weapons believed the GDP. They didn’t understand when the SWISS Prime Minister came to the GDP and he asked to postpone the referendum. Now they vote with their feet, bury relatives and they are waiting for a disaster. It was not necessary to believe the GDP, Russia has long been ruled by a karabas-drumas pulling the strings of control.
    5. +10
      7 July 2014 11: 19
      Quote: ilya_82
      He provoked an uprising in the East. PEOPLE BELIEVED THAT IN THE CASE OF THE GENOCIDE HELP THEM. And NOW HE JUST LOOKED AND THROW THEM !!!!

      I am surprised at the majority! However, he himself is ...
      Yesterday they were excitedly telling each other what patriots all were, what imperials ...

      Yesterday, they were shouting at each other with foam at the mouth - there is only one god, and his prophet’s GDP ...

      few have the wisdom, understanding, and patience. Ukraine is not for a month or two ... it's for years. Will rot and fall to pieces, providing neighbors with headache and heartburn. And this is not immediate, only cats will be born quickly.
    6. -4
      7 July 2014 11: 29
      Yeah, they would bring in troops and then get just such a rebuke or something like that ????????
      "Antifascist's correspondent recorded this monologue of a Lugansk resident while collecting material for a report from besieged Lugansk. The woman's emotional state shocked us so much that we decided to publish her words in full.

      I already hate you Russians. I hate Putin. When the referendum was held on May 11, we were convinced that everyone should stand up and go to vote. We were convinced that our opinion would be heard. We must show that we do not want to stay in Ukraine, we want to go to Russia.

      And I, too, stood in lines, and my neighbors stood and voted for the independence of Lugansk. I was still joking whether my son would have to go to the Russian army to serve if he was only demobilized from the Ukrainian. We were sure: we will vote and Russian troops will come to us. And we will have neither the Right Sector, nor Lyashko, nor Tymoshenko, nor Poroshenko, nor the Maydan Natsik.

      Voted. Time passed and the nightmare began. Today they’re just killing us. We are shot from artillery, they hunt us like animals, shoot from the air. Shells are torn day and night. And the worst thing is that children die.

      Well, where are you, Russian troops? Where is hard Putin? Why did you raise us? Why did you send your volunteers? Why send us weapons if we can’t fight them off. We can’t defend ourselves and save our homes and families. Did I wait until I reach retirement age and have to take a gun myself?

      We knew that there was a Russian army. You saw how she acted in the Crimea. And we believed that in my native Lugansk it would be the same.

      Lugansk is not a foreign land. This is Russian land. Here were the Red Guards, in Krasnodon and other cities, we fought together against the Nazis. My father told me how Soviet troops came here after the German occupation. As the war-dried old women ran out of the houses, hugged the soldiers and gave them the last piece of bread.

      We were waiting for Russian soldiers. And you left us. Slavyansk held on for several weeks, but you never helped him. They left the city alone with the barbarians. This is not a war. This is pure murder. And Kiev knows that you left us and does not spare shells, cartridges, they bomb our cities. Whom will you betray next? Donetsk? Lugansk?

      Then you just leave. Send your volunteers back, take your weapons, leave us alone. Because we just want to live. Yes, we hate this government, we know that it will take revenge on us. But better this way than all this horror without end. "


      CORRECTLY WHAT NEVEL !!!! WE LOST THE BROTHER PEOPLE 23 years ago.
      1. +6
        7 July 2014 11: 41
        Quote: I am
        CORRECTLY WHAT NEVEL !!!! WE LOST THE BROTHER PEOPLE 23 years ago.

        I gave you (+) with "hot", but after reading your remark below, I regret it ...
        Should you talk about "brotherhood" if you saw a hostile attack in the old woman's rebuke, which was largely fair ...
        Isn't it truethat in many respects the situation in Donbass "spun" at the suggestion of the Kremlin, and isn't it true, the fact that Donbass was used as a "curtain" for Crimea,isn't it true, what about the requests of the DPR for military-technical assistance, we received only miserable crumbs?
        1. +1
          7 July 2014 13: 16
          Quote: Corsair
          With "hot" delivered to you (+),

          Also plus, ahead of time ...
        2. +2
          7 July 2014 13: 31
          Quote: Corsair
          Isn't it true that in many respects the situation in Donbass "spun" at the suggestion of the Kremlin

          - from the Kremlin? Or from the example of the Crimea?
          The woman directly writes that she was encouraged by the example of the Crimea. Only Crimea was autonomy and had its own parliament and power, the pro-Russian population, a ready-made military base, were sure there was someone to help, than to insure. Novorosiya still has to hold on until the creation of its governance structures. You can’t bring a train of equipment and give it to the first of the field commanders? And the referendum served only to assess the mood of the masses, then again there was a lull or swarming in the offices. But the curse fell quickly.
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        5. -1
          7 July 2014 15: 05
          This is a hostile attack. They are helped as much as they can. And in response the ears of g *** a pour. Like all previous years. We owe them, we owe them ........ THEY - UKRAINE - A SEPARATE STATE !!!! RUSSIA has no right to interfere in the affairs of an INDEPENDENT state. Therefore, this is a hostile attack on their part. A LIFE of our RUSSIAN citizens US citizens of RUSSIA are not important ???? Or are we due to every revolution in an incomprehensible banana republic should JO ** tear and fight with the whole world ???? And in response to receive such letters ????
          CORRECTLY that they did not enter, you do not need to help those who do not want to help themselves !!!!!!
        6. 0
          7 July 2014 21: 56
          And here is a continuation from another forum, a user Dmitry Donskoy posted:
          I apologize for the offtopic.
          "A group of" refugees from Ukraine "has entered Novocherkassk (Rostov region). They demand! They demand only new things, money and housing for humanitarian aid. Refuse to find a job. They say that they were bombed by Putin and his" dogs ".
          I have a small LLC (I am a director and co-owner). I found a job for a real refugee, the person is happy to the point of insanity simply to find a job without delay. I took a risk and hired without paperwork, so that a person would immediately start earning money. Information about the events from him coincides with the information provided by our media. "

          Original here:
          http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/248170-kiev-reshil-stroit-inzhenernye-sooru

          zheniya-na-granice-s-russia-s-severa.html
      2. +4
        7 July 2014 12: 07
        Quote: I am
        CORRECTLY WHAT NEVEL !!!! WE LOST THE BROTHER PEOPLE 23 years ago.

        Well, how did they lose, but now we take tens of thousands and hundreds back ?! inconsistency dear
        1. +1
          7 July 2014 15: 09
          Lost ........ alas. And of those whom we accept, I’m afraid I will soon have to send part back - they have already begun to express dissatisfaction with the reception, despite the fact that the daily allowance we all pay them is 800 rubles per day per person. Compare with salaries ????
          And they ALREADY EXPRESS DISSATISFACTION !!!!!
          1. 0
            7 July 2014 15: 15
            Quote: I am
            And they ALREADY EXPRESS DISSATISFACTION !!!!!

            dear daughter of a serviceman hi , about this is a separate conversation, something my post somewhere was missing publication in the morning ... But here, any people - especially YOURS - can be returned to their fold! Ask your father about the strategy ...
      3. Bartolomiu
        -2
        7 July 2014 12: 18
        Quote: I am
        Yeah, they would bring in troops and then get just such a rebuke or something like that ????????

        I already hate you Russians. I hate Putin. When the referendum was held on May 11, we were convinced that everyone should stand up and go to vote. We were convinced that our opinion would be heard. We must show that we do not want to stay in Ukraine, we want to go to Russia.

        And I, too, stood in lines, and my neighbors stood and voted for the independence of Lugansk. I was still joking whether my son would have to go to the Russian army to serve if he was only demobilized from the Ukrainian. We were sure: we will vote and Russian troops will come to us. And we will have neither the Right Sector, nor Lyashko, nor Tymoshenko, nor Poroshenko, nor the Maydan Natsik.

        Here I am about the same. Who gave them this confidence, who convinced them? Putin in his speech said that Russia will accept everything legitimate measures to protect the Russian population in the South-East of Ukraine, about the introduction of troops there was no talk, unlike the Crimea. Ponomarev, kings and others like them took advantage of all this. Without any coordination with the Russian side, as it was in the Crimea, they began to rule the situation without fully realizing what they were getting into. The result was logical, we couldn’t do it ourselves, we didn’t have enough brains and started calling for help from Russia, and then blaming it.
        1. +3
          7 July 2014 13: 16
          There are many refugees here on the border, and there is almost no one who would say thank you to Putin! Curses alone! We living in RO ask one question: who do we accept? They, let us loose, will tear us apart and will not ask whether we want Che or not! Yes, between us 23 of the year their hate !!!
        2. yzaharov04
          -3
          7 July 2014 13: 17
          Your surname also ends in ..CO or ..CHUK!
        3. +2
          7 July 2014 13: 31
          Quote: Bartolomiu
          Who gave them this confidence, who convinced them? Putin in his speech said that Russia will take all legitimate measures to protect the Russian population in the South-East of Ukraine

          "I promised to be faithful to my husband, but I did not promise to keep my promise." It turns out something like this ...
          1. Bartolomiu
            +1
            7 July 2014 14: 18
            Quote: revnagan
            Quote: Bartolomiu
            Who gave them this confidence, who convinced them? Putin in his speech said that Russia will take all legitimate measures to protect the Russian population in the South-East of Ukraine

            "I promised to be faithful to my husband, but I did not promise to keep my promise." It turns out something like this ...

            Not so it turns out. I used to think that Putin promised and did not fulfill, as many say. But then he thought, after all, he was not the man to do so - it was akin to suicide. A, because I did not hear the speech itself, only retold in other words, I decided to find it. And it turned out that there wasn’t a word about the entry of troops into Ukraine. There were words that Russia uses all available means of protection of the Russian population in the South-East of Ukraine in accordance with international law. Something like that. But the Pushkin with Ponomarev seized on it, slightly changed the emphasis and began to twist their intrigues. Events were forced, intentionally or out of stupidity I do not know, but everything was done at the most inconvenient moment for Russia. I believe that everything should have happened in stages, first the Crimea and the settlement of all the problems associated with it, and then the South-East. And only with close agreements with Russia, with the elaboration of a joint action strategy, as was the case in Crimea, and not on its own and on the ball.
      4. yzaharov04
        0
        7 July 2014 13: 15
        More than sure that your last name ends in ..CO!
      5. +5
        7 July 2014 13: 15
        Quote: I am
        WE LOST THE BROTHER PEOPLE 23 years ago.

        And we are doing everything to lose the remnants of those who believed in us. And this aunt, I personally understand ...
        1. 0
          7 July 2014 15: 11
          I understand her too. But it reminds me of a situation where residents of an occupied country blame their president for everything instead of blaming the country that attacked them. Something like this.
  5. +8
    7 July 2014 09: 52
    the planting of hatred, however, this leads to an even greater stratification of society, even greater opportunities for its manipulation, in general the very shopkeeping in the subconscious, which destroyed the Union
  6. soyuz-nik
    +8
    7 July 2014 09: 53
    In many ways I agree with the author. Russia is not a chervonets to please everyone. The same Bulgarian brothers ... Now they are in NATO ... In the history of Russia, the success of external forces in its conquest was determined by the weakening of Russia itself due to its internal contradictions.
    Russia needs to concentrate on increasing the responsibility of officials so that there is no embezzlement and foolishness (so that rockets do not fall, state district power plants do not explode, bridges do not flutter in the wind, etc.), and on the development of human potential ...
    At the same time, it is necessary to develop international cooperation, but on a MUTUALLY beneficial basis. It is foolish to pump huge funds into "Papuan" projects ...
    1. +1
      7 July 2014 12: 10
      Yes, maybe the author is right, maybe right in many ways, but - here’s the last phrase -

      "We have something to fight with on the territory of our country, we have something to strive for and something to improve."

      - crosses it all out! I would also say - "there is something to fight." Are there really no military? Even my youngest son, playing in Red Alert, deduced that an offensive is better than defense - almost always leads to a loss! :(
  7. +8
    7 July 2014 09: 53
    Putin is a smart girl. I would send troops long ago, and our president has a head on his shoulders and now I see that he is right, and I was wrong.
    1. portoc65
      +4
      7 July 2014 11: 44
      okay .. maybe you can’t send troops .. but can you supply weapons like that? that the same thing should be done except for statements and public indignation.
      1. +1
        7 July 2014 15: 12
        And the weapon is supplied. Planes and helicopters by themselves fall at dill ????
    2. +4
      7 July 2014 12: 01
      Quote: Yoon Klob
      I would bring troops long ago, and our president has a head on his shoulders


      very

      right

      comment

      !

      if I were the president - the whole world would already burn in the fire of a nuclear fire
  8. +10
    7 July 2014 09: 55
    Article minus because of the "brotherly people". There is no need to compare some Afghans or Ethiopians with the inhabitants of Ukraine. Our peoples have been living side by side for too long, helping in everything. Not all problems are solved by finances and force. There will be another holiday in Novorossiya.
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 15: 14
      Perhaps, but then when the Ukrainian people stop waiting for the "Ivan the Fools" to come and do everything for them.
      Ukraine and was separated so as not to feed the "always drunk older brother"
  9. +3
    7 July 2014 10: 01
    I agree with the author. More than currently doing GDP - impossible to do. An alternative is the introduction of troops of the Russian Federation into Ukraine with the automatic enrollment of us by the whole world as * aggressor-occupiers * to the joy of singing gunpowder and all world piety. * Therefore, Sarai Husseinovich would have achieved his tasks, I will not repeat these theses. Alas for them, we replayed on their own field (and the situation in Ukraine is their field): our Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk are protected, the border of Little Russia and the Russian Federation is only on paper with all the consequences, .. well, finally, the GDP showed the whole world that one can achieve one’s foreign policy goals not only by bombing.
    1. +5
      7 July 2014 11: 43
      Quote: Gunsmith
      It is impossible to do more than GDP currently does.

      L.I. Brezhnev in relation to the DRV (SRV) did more ...

      Is he in support of Vietnam,stepped over the impossible??
      1. PN
        0
        7 July 2014 15: 51
        Those were different customs, different times. Time passes, everything in this world is changing and old dogmas and patterns are not always appropriate now.
  10. +7
    7 July 2014 10: 01
    Everything seems to be on the case, but a little deeper, my hut with the edge and unprecedented political myopia.
    Today we will merge Ukraine, who is next in line? Among other things, there are global interests, global ones.
    And how much will we lose and are already losing in the economy from the discharge of Ukraine ??? One defense industry is already in a stupor! And this is precisely what is the true goal of not letting go of the southeast — the main enterprises working with us in the military-industrial complex there! So west sticks us with scrap into the wheels!
    We are already overlaid like wolves. I think it's time to show your teeth. Airborne!
    1. +1
      7 July 2014 10: 39
      Many urapatriots behind claudia, geniuses of strategy. New Russia - the referendum is ALL-FOR, and protect 5%. The rest make money to Kuev. A revolution is worth something if you protect yourself, as Lenin said.
    2. +5
      7 July 2014 11: 17
      and then Transnistria will be. Belarus. Kazakhstan. The Americans are closely engaged in all who are close to Russia. America, too, has nowhere to retreat. They are stuck everywhere. In debt. History repeats itself. We will sell weapons to all of you and will give loans. And when in Europe there will be one ashes, they will enter as liberators.
  11. Alexan
    +8
    7 July 2014 10: 02
    The article is competent, but I consider it necessary to make some remarks:
    1. A big, not tactical, but a strategic mistake was in encouraging the population of South-East, through direct assurances. What did it take for the "emissaries" to visit the Donbass and explain to the leaders, to dissuade them from hanging the Russian tricolor and false hopes? Everything was put to chance! Funding and procurement at the level of self-employment and private capital.
    2. The territory of Novorossiya is bombed, people are killed, the territory of Russia is shelled, and in response - formal "notes", and not warnings, ultimatums. Are we afraid of something again? So after all, Sevastopol = then Russian already, no one will blackmail them!
    The self-respect of the nation is more important than any strategic reverence there. Respect for the leader - from the same opera. If someone doesn’t give a damn about the second, then everyone should respect their country, the rest must be made to respect. But this requires external manifestations of strength, confidence! In the meantime: all kinds of obstacles to supply, an attempt to discredit Strelkov ... And it is not the Kurginyan, but the line of Moscow and the obvious inconvenience of the national hero. But this is not Kvachkov - the figure of Igor Ivanovich is more massive in deeds!
    1. -4
      7 July 2014 10: 29
      You need to be friends with your head!
      1. Alexan
        0
        7 July 2014 11: 28
        Your arguments? In addition to another rudeness, of course ...
  12. +3
    7 July 2014 10: 12
    Quote: Gunsmith
    I agree with the author. More than currently doing GDP - impossible to do. An alternative is the introduction of troops of the Russian Federation into Ukraine with the automatic enrollment of us by the whole world as * aggressor-occupiers * to the joy of singing gunpowder and all world piety. * Therefore, Sarai Husseinovich would have achieved his tasks, I will not repeat these theses. Alas for them, we replayed on their own field (and the situation in Ukraine is their field): our Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk are protected, the border of Little Russia and the Russian Federation is only on paper with all the consequences, .. well, finally, the GDP showed the whole world that one can achieve one’s foreign policy goals not only by bombing.

    They have not achieved anything, but the rod in this direction. Losing the war in the media, they simply chose the stupid, arrogant and unscrupulous tactics of denial, distortion and arrogant lies against all facts of information!
    And where did you see that Donetsk and Lugansk are protected? Are they not exactly following Slavic?
    Is the border open? For their shells?
    And what has the GDP achieved?
    Crimea? This is not even a victory. It is so lucky that the people were in favor. It was a walk ... relatively.
    But what about him in the southeast? Here we will see what he will do.
  13. +5
    7 July 2014 10: 17
    "And all these hysterical calls for the salvation of the brotherly people ..."
    And why actually "hysterical" and not just appeals? And why is the people "fraternal", and not just, but this is so - Russian? The result is "calls for the salvation of the Russian people." True, the result (in the sense of real actions will not change), but the direction (subtext) of the article is changing - it is more difficult to "wash" the Kremlin's position on this issue.
    I remember something similar: first there was a long silence ... well, and then - "she drowned" ...
  14. +2
    7 July 2014 10: 17
    Article plus. I agree with almost everything except Crimea. Crimea does not need to be touched, this is our EVERYTHING. And about the "brotherly people", unfortunately they do not think so, well, we are Mordovians, and they are the highest race. And not only Westerners think so. We must learn to respect ourselves and love our Motherland.
    1. +2
      7 July 2014 10: 40
      Quote: yana532912
      ... And unfortunately, they don't think so about the "brotherly people"

      But in Lugansk, Donetsk and Rostov-on-Don regions, many are tied by family ties and I have doubts that "they do not think so."
  15. evilrussian
    0
    7 July 2014 10: 18
    What could be expected from such people? And why should a Jew feel sorry for Russians? It is not profitable for him
  16. +4
    7 July 2014 10: 21
    Another hysteria. Chechnya was Russian territory during the conflict. Ukraine is a separate state, there are only two ways to participate in the conflict: diplomacy and unofficial assistance. What Russia is doing. Once again I say, to all provocateurs practicing the American salary. Ukraine is a separate state, a solution to the conflict within the country is being solved with the help of the citizens themselves. The introduction of a regular military contingent is aggression.
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 14: 15
      And who prohibits the provision of large-scale assistance from the state to Novorossiya * ???
  17. +2
    7 July 2014 10: 24
    It feels like the whole world is enraged: blood, blood, war, war. In the Middle East, chaos, Israel and Palestine are hitting each other with missiles, Libya - generally the devil knows that the Balts are yelling as if they were captured and destroyed in gas chambers, Poland again yells about some aggressors, now there are rivers of blood in Ukraine. And everyone repeats like a mantra: wars, wars. Someone in this madhouse should keep calm. Here is our president and saves. It was still not enough that he was likened to warlike amers.
    Article plus. everything is correctly said.
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 14: 39
      +100500! Indeed, now we must be as cold-blooded as ever!
  18. +1
    7 July 2014 10: 28
    The "government" and the "president" who wash themselves daily with the blood of their citizens are KILLERS !!!, but there is only one conversation with the killers - the gallows!
  19. +2
    7 July 2014 10: 32
    Poroshenko in Russia is not recognized as president, because illegitimate.
    GDP and Lavrov were told to everyone that they would have a conversation with a powerful person in Ukraine.
    "Composure" in politics presupposes rivers of hot human blood.
    Donbass saw Crimea and decided to "defend itself", but apparently forgot to consult with the GDP, as Crimea did.
    But there is a "FEELING" that VVP and Merkel and Oland have already agreed - Donbass to them, Crimea to us, Waltzman restitution, Bene ferromagnets, Russian workers, America's pipe.
  20. +2
    7 July 2014 10: 44
    Quote: Pule
    Waltzman restitution

    But this topic is interesting, until 1917, left-bank Ukraine was the property of the Russian Empire, the Russian Federation seems to be its successor
  21. -1
    7 July 2014 10: 47
    Everything is very ambiguous. And my business is full, just started to improve a normal life. And the guys in Donetsk must be supported. But I don't want to go to Ukraine "to save the fraternal people". I meant these brothers, who hiss in your back: "b and the occupier." Let them cook in their shit that they themselves raised. Against the background of screams about the murder of the population of the DPR and LPR, I see how this population does not dig trenches for the militias, does not prepare bomb shelters for themselves in the form of, at least, blocked cracks. Periodically, young people go to a rally against Russia. There is no unity in them, only now (after Slavyansk) something began to unite. I think it is necessary to help (with weapons, equipment, ammunition, etc.) to fight for them - no.
  22. 0
    7 July 2014 10: 50
    Poroshenko went all-in! I learned to play poker .. You stay cute, naked ... in the truest sense of the word ...
  23. 0
    7 July 2014 11: 00
    I didn’t even begin to read it to the end. “We are such naive mugs and how many times we have been deceived." us, that patriotic elite, alas, is a minority and, moreover, is split into pro-Western and purely Slavic ...
  24. ilya_82
    +6
    7 July 2014 11: 12
    For some reason, this flawed, with "whose trend - you want to go and fight. Now in Donbass they are fighting and they cannot stop the genocide of the people. one thing - that for me, as for a soldier, there was the power of the state, and not citizens with voluntary donations. I can't buy a tank at my own expense ... even shots for RPGs
  25. +2
    7 July 2014 11: 19
    Quote: ilya_82
    I can’t buy a tank at my own expense ... even shots to an RPG

    and they don’t sell aviation, capitalism is called :-)
  26. 0
    7 July 2014 11: 39
    Poros and Vabanka can’t be by definition, he doesn’t already belong to himself, lackey Yankees, Janusz was cursed for theft, and Poros and all who support him and carry out his criminal orders are cursed for betraying his own country ... negative the Yatsik will be slammed like their own flies, the avatars will be thrown on a gilyak, Yarosh and a bunch of his thugs will be shot like a bunch of rabid dogs by yesterday's Berkut people, these grievances do not forgive, and people will never forgive Yes
  27. ed65b
    +9
    7 July 2014 11: 49
    Well, according to the author of Russia, you just need to live shit on everyone around. I agree with one point.
    Who asked the Athlete to talk about the Russian world, to argue that the Russians don’t give up theirs, we will help everyone to warm everyone, we caress and all this against the background of return, occupation, annexation, call whatever you want Crimea? Who asked him to arouse the population of Ukraine and the south-eastern regions for resistance, promising support? I would say that the guys forget, live in one country, we got ours on the drum. that would be honest. And so, the fire of civil war fanned and squirted. So how does he differ from Obama? That Obama can directly say about direct military assistance to the rebels in Syria, the junta of non-lethal deliveries to Kiev and not enough to say but to do. And what about an athlete? Can? It can help the comrades in building a golden bridge in Crimea to master the price tag for their friends. so to speak, to compensate for the losses and do not give a damn about him in Ukraine and the dying Russian world about which it was said well that he bit off Crimea from Ukraine.
  28. +2
    7 July 2014 11: 51
    Our state. banks in the list of those who finance the war in the east of Ukraine. On the website of the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine, a list of those who buy "Vіyskovі oblіgatsії"
    List of first dealers:
    1 AT “Oschadbank”;
    2 AT “Ukreksim Bank”;
    3 JSB “Ukrgasbank”;
    4 AT “UkrSibbank”;
    5 PAT "Yerste Bank";
    6 AT “Sberbank ROSIN”;
    7 AT “OTP Bank”;
    8 AT "Delta Bank";
    9 AT Raiffeisen Bank Aval;
    10 PAT "VTB Bank";
    11 PJSC Universal Bank;
    12 ВАТ UniCredit Bank;
    13 PAT "Citibank";
    14 PAT "KB" NADRA ";
    15 PAT "ING Bank Ukraine";
    16 PAT KB Khreschatyk;
    17 PAT "FUIB".
    http://www.minfin.gov.ua/control/uk/publish/article?art_id=399568&cat_id=53608
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    2. +2
      7 July 2014 13: 03
      Money does not smell
    3. 0
      8 July 2014 14: 20
      I hope that VTB and Sberbank are in the lead, as always. If you buy more, you will help more to kill civilians of a once friendly country. Mattresses are happy!
  29. Andrey82
    +2
    7 July 2014 11: 53
    Another effort covering the drain? Especially the words - And all these hysterical calls for the salvation of the brotherly people ...
    The author is talking about the salvation of the Russian genocide, and not about some "brotherly people". As you said yourself, concessions and dialogues led to even more blood. After New Russia, the United States, using the cowardice of our government, will dismember and set fire to Russia. But for some reason the staff propagandists and guardians are stubbornly silent about this ?! Do you really think that the United States will suddenly take and stop halfway, the more our ruling "elite" is demonstrating ever greater inadequacy, like Milosevic and Yanukovych trying to come to terms with the enemies ?!
  30. +10
    7 July 2014 12: 03
    With such a "strategy," Novorossia will be destroyed, Crimea will be taken back, they will be forced to pay indemnities, NATO bases will be erected near Moscow, the rulers will run over the hill, and we will go partisan into the forests with a karamultuk.
    1. Andrey82
      +2
      7 July 2014 12: 07
      One prophetic novel - "The Age of the Stillborn" has already become a reality, it is still in our power to make sure that another novel "The Punisher-Marauder" does not turn into reality due to Putin's cowardice.
  31. +3
    7 July 2014 12: 19
    I read to the point where the author talks about the guilt and reckoning of the Ukrainian people, minusanul, did not read further. What is the fault of the children dying in the Southeast, did not understand. What is the fault of their parents? That they did not want to repaint under Svidomo ukrov? Now, is that what they need? There are no printed words!
  32. +4
    7 July 2014 12: 21
    And I do not agree with the author that we are not a nation of saviors. Who are we then? A nation of rats shaking over their skins in the name of their own comfortable and well-fed life? Yes, in everyday terms, those who live in less historical moments are probably luckier — they live much calmer. BUT: "Blessed is he who visited this world in his fateful moments ...". Russia, and not by its will, is increasingly drawn into historical times ... And if we do not answer this challenge, we will turn into a historical concept - in the manner of the American Indians.
    No, we are a Russian people of ideas, a people of service, a people of mission. Czechs can eat and wow! Austrians can eat and wow! But Russians want a feat for the sake of an idea. This is true! If you disagree with me, then I cannot call you compatriots. I rather recognize my brother as the representative of any other nation sharing my ideals and ready to go to the end in the name of my idea, my mission. And even if there is no idea today, nobody promised it to us. So let's make our idea, our mission, the unification of a single Russian people. Yes, we lack the will and political will in particular. Comrade President, I beg you to find within yourself the will to make a decision worthy of our ancestors. Lead us by the will that defines the common goal; the will, overcoming laziness; by the will, which precisely states what is good and what is evil. And we Russians are great, beautiful, indefatigable, extremists in everything, we will put all cancer on the way to our great ideal!
  33. +3
    7 July 2014 12: 36
    It's useless to talk with ukrami. There is the main force that pushes for the murder of civilians in Donbass. This is the US government! The proof is that as soon as a telephone conversation with the overseas owners or their "undeclared" visit to occupied Kiev takes place, the hostilities in Donbas intensify. Cowboys only understand the language of power. And African Americans, at the genetic level, also recognize only strength. But to fight them means to plunge the world into the third world war, to put millions of Russian lives on the altar of victory again (sorry for the cliché).
    For me, this is how it is necessary to oust amers from all business projects in which they are involved in Russia. None of this will change. Because all the money is profit, they still pump it to America. Try to get our money out of the control of transnational American monopolies. Fighting American bribe takers can reduce corruption. Stop American drug trafficking from Afghanistan. Reduce all technical, cultural, informational contacts with this country. Eliminate consulates and various diplomatic missions in Russia, with the exception of the consulate in St. Petersburg. Do not accept a new ambassador. This is for a long time. But this must be done.
  34. Vitalka
    0
    7 July 2014 12: 38
    Luhansk, Donbass 8 million people The draft contingent is at least 0,5 million. Where? Is my hut on the edge? Will the Russians help? And we are on the couch. But 80-90 percent voted. "I won't give you a machine gun, guys"
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 14: 29
      But there are no heavy and powerful weapons !!! Everyone is talking about a small number of militias, but they stubbornly do not understand that it is necessary to fight having resources and reserves, a well-functioning military mechanism and a lot of money. That's why people do not go, because they do not want to die in vain under guns and aircraft! There will be real help - there will be a people’s shaft in the militia. There is a lot of hatred for ukrams in the Donbass, but there are no opportunities to get even. South Ossetia does not supply weapons and aircraft on credit, and other countries do not want problems with mattresses ...
  35. 0
    7 July 2014 12: 57
    The author, of course, is great. Strangely, it just appeared - "Author 205577". Anyway...
    But this is not clear to me (quote):

    But no! We will now forget once again about ourselves and downright from the sofas, from beer, the World Cup and TV sets, we will go to free our brotherly people, most of whom are confident that we are the real and main enemy!
    No, if someone has not won back childhood in one place, for God's sake, go ahead, pass the border, give a weapon, go ahead and with a song! If there is no mind, responsibility for their families (or are they simply not there?), Their own country, if suddenly the patriotism and feeling of offended innocence leaped into exile (only where were you when otmazyvatsya from the army?), Then definitely ahead! Drum on the neck, bruise in all the belly, and so on ...


    Those. either "couch heroes" with beer and chips, or irresponsible children with an outburst of patriotism. These are the ones who are fighting there now. I would say that to Motorola. I would have looked at the author's face :)
    In, geopolitical strategists ... sculpt!
  36. +1
    7 July 2014 12: 58
    Something directly vying with the rod of the article, that Russia does not need to intervene in any way, and in another article - in general, it is advised to withdraw all militias to Russia ...
    Honestly, I think that such a thing could be written personally by Poroshenko or his assistants.
    Even with adroit propaganda, it seems the West is winning ...
    Americans are a dime a dozen in Ukraine and everyone is instructed and otherwise wielded, but Russia cannot dare to recognize the republics, much less something more
    There is only one truth - he who dictates his will by force, in Ukraine also polarizes his opinion as he needs.
  37. +1
    7 July 2014 13: 07
    I understand the emotionality of the inhabitants of the Southeast, if these are not ducks, of course! But guys let's take a sober look! No need to think that the Russian guys will come and free everyone and everything !! We have already liberated Europe, and now we are getting sanctions! You can’t throw, you need help! But you need a desire to fight, and not wait for help! Is it really not clear that when the troops are introduced, this will begin on a global scale !!!
  38. 0
    7 July 2014 13: 08
    Yes, the list of unsolved problems in our country is endless!

    And this list will always be decided, and is unlikely to be solved.
  39. Serg7281
    0
    7 July 2014 13: 12
    The meaning of the article ... "everything is gone, the client leaves, the plaster cast is removed," and even tries to compare the current events with Chechnya, which is complete nonsense. He had to at least first visit Chechnya, during the events, and then express his "authoritative" opinion. The events in Chechnya took place precisely because of the terrorist attacks of all kinds of Basayevs, Raduevs, Umarovs, etc. on the territory adjacent to Chechnya. At the same time, there were no sabotage or terrorist acts in Georgia from Chechnya (although it borders). Therefore, the operations were counter-terrorist in nature. But in Ukraine, I do not know a single fact that someone from the militia of the South-East would commit a terrorist attack in Western Ukraine or Kiev.
  40. 3vs
    +1
    7 July 2014 13: 13
    The author is right, of course.
    But Russian people are dying.
    It is not their fault that the Union collapsed thanks to the "wise" policy of Misha Gorbachev and
    the ambitions of Boris Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich.
    The Russian Empire bleeds in fratricidal war.
    Or maybe stop playing in an independent way?
    Is it not time for the pieces of the Third Rome to unite into a single God-given state?
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 15: 45
      Here you won’t get off with calls, it’s time to adopt the methods of changing the board of the world hegemon. I think Kazakhstan is the right training ground, because the activation of such things by the US is already in full swing there.
  41. A40263S
    0
    7 July 2014 13: 25
    I believe that you just need to let the president do his thing and not make hasty conclusions. Answer yourself one question - who makes the decision on whether or not to send troops in our country and who accordingly is responsible for this decision? You need to understand that this is a very serious strategically fateful decision, far from unambiguous with all its pros and cons. Respond to yourself: are you ready to switch to wartime, and the introduction of troops will automatically launch the Third World War mechanism, though we will fight alone against everyone .. Well, even if you are ready, but are your friends, passers-by ready .. those who don’t are the combatants ready to live in wartime, keep in mind that less than 1% of the population of our country read this resource .. And there are those who simply ignore the problems in Ukraine now .. Don’t be afraid of the popular wave against the war ?? .. think from all sides .. All these swings in different directions and the lack of faith in their president in Okontsevo will only lead to our Maidan or Swamp .. something like that
  42. +2
    7 July 2014 13: 27
    The Minister of Defense of the Lugansk People’s Republic Igor Plotnitsky told the WG that the militias now have their own Su-25 attack aircraft.
    Photo: Natalia Seliverstova / RIA News www.ria.ru
    A Ukrainian warplane made an emergency landing at one of the airfields in the Luhansk region. The pilot surrendered. The militias also have tanks, artillery and even Grad multiple launch rocket systems. The question of encirclement and blockade of Lugansk is not yet raised.

    WHAT! If the day before yesterday it was reported about the operations of the DRG of the militia on boats in Azov (the prototype of the Navy of New Russia), now apparently we are talking about the birth of the Air Force! good
  43. mihasik
    +4
    7 July 2014 13: 34
    I don’t put a minus, I must respect the opinions of others. For me, the position of the hamster in the hole. What will the author say when there will be missile defense systems with nuclear warheads in the Lugansk and Kharkiv Oblasts, and the pravoseki (these won't calm down) will constantly terrorize the border territories of the Russian Federation? The villages of the Rostov region are firing now with enviable regularity. Forceful, and after it political pressure in the event of our defeat in Ukraine, in the Russian Federation will intensify at times. Proven by history. The weak are beaten, then eaten. If there are no victories on the external front, there will be a collapse on the internal. An example is the first and last president of the USSR.
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 15: 18
      Fight alone against all ????? What is more important than 50 rebels in Ukraine or 000 million citizens of Russia ????
  44. +2
    7 July 2014 13: 43
    "Poroshenko went for broke! And what about us?"

    If Poroshenko went all-in, then he has nothing more and there is no other way out either. And we still have reserves and reserves, so victory in any way will be on our side.
    The rest of the article is unclear ...
    1. +1
      7 July 2014 14: 55
      Quote: mamont5
      If Poroshenko went all-in, then he has nothing more and there is no other way out either.

      For the first quarter, losses to the Ukrainian budget of more than 11.5bn $ due to a break with the Russian Federation and the loss of Donbass.
      All EU / IMF loans for the current year $ 18.5bn.
      At this rate, the collapse of the economy in two to three months. In principle, Russia could increase economic pressure by accelerating the fall of the regime.
      For example why the heck are we supplying Ukraine with our oil industry? Oligarchs' pockets are more expensive than "Russians do not abandon their own"?
  45. Grandfather Victor
    0
    7 July 2014 14: 05
    "During the truce, the Russian side held international consultations ...".
    Grandfather Krylov also said: Vaska listens, but eats ...
  46. -1
    7 July 2014 14: 20
    What are we? That is, that’s the weapon (and there’s no need for ridiculous speculations about the Berdanka, about the fact that there are no weapons, go there yourself as a volunteer and they will give you a machine gun), but to fight out of 7000000 people. there is no Donbass population (with the exception of 10000 militias) ... No Russia can save them without their PERSONAL participation.
    1. +2
      7 July 2014 14: 34
      There is a controversial issue about "out of 7", armies usually fight, And here you want to see massive self-sacrifice, as in the Second World War. And this requires at least a centralized structure of leadership and management and at least the same means of propaganda.
      And so we have numbers close to the armies of Europe, for example, if we take the same percentage of the army to the population, as in the Russian Federation, then this figure in Novorosia will be about 43000 people. Now involved in the militia around 20 000.

      That is, the task of building up the militia comes down to building an effective governance and leadership structure of the republic with a full-fledged ministry of propaganda.
      =========================
      Exactly the same garbage and problems in the Russian Federation. That is, in modern conditions, the structure of the state is not adapted to the conduct of a non-nuclear war, especially in conditions of total international confrontation.
      Only the USSR version was prepared for such a confrontation
  47. -2
    7 July 2014 14: 38
    The author is right. We liberated Bulgaria from the Turks, and on whose side did these prostitutes fight in two world wars? And there are enough examples of such.
    1. +2
      7 July 2014 15: 16
      Damn well, you separate people from governments, governments can be puppet,
      You strongly protested when Yeltsin was put, this Yatsenyuk version of 001?
      You said half a word when he presented the shelves to the novices in the Barents Sea (or didn’t you know about this? He was going to give the Kuriles ... Well, etc.
  48. 0
    7 July 2014 14: 45
    Our country, playing by the rules of others, has lost tens of millions of the best, I emphasize - the best - lives, a myriad of square kilometers of territories, factories, factories, everything that was created, in fact, by hard labor of ordinary people, we were thrown back for decades in development , everyday life, social sphere, they tried to rise, but they bought us for sneakers.

    Can someone explain this nonsense to me? If "lost tens of millions of the best", then perhaps the Second World War is meant? If "I lost ... a myriad of square kilometers of territories," then perhaps this is about the collapse of the USSR? When the author managed to notice that “we were thrown back for decades in development, everyday life, social sphere,” did he witness the Tatar-Mongol yoke?
  49. Anrie
    +1
    7 July 2014 14: 56
    Nice article. And what a competent "ass oliz". I was born and raised in the USSR and I think if those who, after its collapse, ended up living in another country and he feels good there, well, God bless him. But if my people, people originally from the USSR, are screaming for help ... I swore an oath to all the people of the USSR, and no one asked my approval of its collapse.
  50. +2
    7 July 2014 14: 59
    Good afternoon, colleagues.
    I would like to state my point of view on everything that happens, maybe someone will find in it a grain of truth.
    No matter how my conclusions may sound, it is sacrilegious and not right, but this is a geopolitical strategy.
    What is Ukraine for Russia? Ukraine is a buffer zone between Russia and the NATO bloc.
    What kind of neighbor does Russia want to see Ukraine? Russia wants to see Ukraine as a buffer between Russia and NATO.
    What follows from this regarding the situation in the South-East of Ukraine?
    If Russia recognizes the South-East, and includes in Russia. What do we get from this?
    Russia receives the absence of a buffer zone as such, because after the inclusion of the Southeast in Russia, Ukraine will immediately join NATO and deploy troops of this block on its territory. As a result, Russia will lose that very buffer zone.
    If Russia introduces troops not to the territory of the Southeast, and recognizes the independence of the Southeast. Then NATO will enter Ukraine anyway. And Russia will receive a trimmed buffer zone.
    What we are seeing now. We are seeing destabilization in Ukraine. Time will pass, no matter how bitter it may sound, but this will be a bloody time, and events in Ukraine will take a completely different turn. Subject to "soft pressure" and consistent policy, which we are now observing in Russia's attitude to the situation in Ukraine, in a fairly short time, around the middle of late autumn, the situation in Ukraine will radically change. More precisely, it will be said that the attitude of the masses in the West and around the world to the situation in Ukraine will change. There are many factors and prerequisites for this.
    And so, in the end, we get what Russia wants?
    Russia wants:
    to see a federal state in Ukraine, for the stabilization and protection of the Russian-speaking population in the territories in which it lives;
    see Ukraine in a non-bloc state. Without the EU, without NATO, and as a result without the CU.
    The fraternal people themselves must make their choice, and not under duress through the introduction of troops. If Russia will now send troops to the Southeast, then how will it differ from the same OSA which we all condemn here?
    PS What kind of power can we talk about in the Southeast, if there were still in Donetsk and Lugansk, and objects still remain under the control of Kiev. How is this possible? First of all, there is always a seizure of strategic and tactical objects, and in our situation, many objects are still not controlled by the government of the Southeast. What kind of protection of the borders of the Southeast can be discussed if you have to keep a lot of forces in the cities themselves to control such objects. This situation is absolutely not clear to me. I hope that Igor Strelkov will correct this situation as soon as possible.
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 15: 09
      There is no choice, for the Ukrainian economy will collapse in a couple of three months, and will be divided into several territories. The probability of NATO in at least one of this parts is unequivocal. The task is to support the DNR-LNR until this collapse, otherwise this territory will pass to the anti-Russian forces. Romania and Hungary, already under the guise of Crimea, have already provided Transcarpathia with their passports.
  51. +1
    7 July 2014 17: 04
    All the cries about the death of the fraternal people are in favor of the poor, we have already really lost this fraternal people, and they themselves did everything possible and impossible for this. This is really their choice, although I would say it’s their payback, well, it’s impossible to sit on two chairs all your life and think that no one will present you with a bill. It is impossible to cultivate fascism and hatred of a neighbor without it having an impact on you, especially if the neighbor is not a whipping boy.


    Plus to the author, I support
  52. 0
    7 July 2014 17: 58
    I couldn't give it a plus or a minus. The article left an ambivalent impression. At first I thought “Plus”, but the ending let us down and the thought arose - “minus”. I couldn't decide. Well, I’m generally silent about comments. Completely off-top! It's time to introduce stricter moderation.

    P.S. The USA must be destroyed (Wise Indian).
  53. 0
    7 July 2014 22: 16
    Quote: I am
    This is a hostile attack. They are helped as much as they can. And in response the ears of g *** a pour. Like all previous years. We owe them, we owe them ........ THEY - UKRAINE - A SEPARATE STATE !!!! RUSSIA has no right to interfere in the affairs of an INDEPENDENT state. Therefore, this is a hostile attack on their part. A LIFE of our RUSSIAN citizens US citizens of RUSSIA are not important ???? Or are we due to every revolution in an incomprehensible banana republic should JO ** tear and fight with the whole world ???? And in response to receive such letters ????
    CORRECTLY that they did not enter, you do not need to help those who do not want to help themselves !!!!!!

    Quote: I am
    This is a hostile attack. They are helped as much as they can. And in response the ears of g *** a pour. Like all previous years. We owe them, we owe them ........ THEY - UKRAINE - A SEPARATE STATE !!!! RUSSIA has no right to interfere in the affairs of an INDEPENDENT state. Therefore, this is a hostile attack on their part. A LIFE of our RUSSIAN citizens US citizens of RUSSIA are not important ???? Or are we due to every revolution in an incomprehensible banana republic should JO ** tear and fight with the whole world ???? And in response to receive such letters ????
    CORRECTLY that they did not enter, you do not need to help those who do not want to help themselves !!!!!!

    These are not banana republics, but republics in which Russian people live - Slavs! Who needs help! How much do you know in the world of republics where Russians live? The Syrians still have BDKs from Novorossiysk with weapons and equipment, like trams! Just today another one left, and the next one was ready for loading! I saw it myself! And, most likely, for free! And the grandfathers of these Donetsk residents have already paid for the weapons and equipment that are not given to the Donetsk republics with interest during the war with their blood! The Syrians are being saved, and when it comes to the Russians, you immediately remember international law, which everyone has long since given a damn about and crushed! Iran did not bend to the United States and all of Europe, although the threat of war was more than real. What about Russia?
  54. +1
    7 July 2014 23: 40
    Quote: Goblin 28
    The Syrians are being saved, and when it comes to the Russians, you immediately remember international law, which everyone has long since given a damn about and crushed! Iran did not bend to the United States and all of Europe, although the threat of war was more than real. What about Russia?

    Brevity is not always the sister of talent - you approached the problem of Syria, Russia and Iran in a painfully simplistic way. First, it is necessary to indicate that Russia has its own national interest in Syria, just like the United States in Ukraine, within the framework of which there is support for forces loyal to Russia and the United States, respectively. In addition, Russia and Syria recently concluded contracts for the supply of weapons, which are being carried out within the framework of these contracts. And who said it was free? Now Iran - which did not bend to the USA and Europe, by a strange coincidence, is also in the zone of national interests of Russia and has financial, material and political support from it - the latest example, a 20 billion contract with Russia - oil in exchange for food and other goods, which allowed Iran to circumvent sanctions. As for the threat of war, the likelihood of which, as you write, was more than real in Iran, somehow went unnoticed by you in the current situation with Russia, as well as the same sanctions against Russia. What about Russia? And Russia, taking into account the colossal pressure from the United States and its satellites, has so far successfully resisted them without succumbing to the same sanctions and attempts to be drawn into a real war. At the same time, it should be noted that without support from Russia there would not have been such successes in the South-East.
  55. 0
    8 July 2014 00: 03
    It seems the author is off topic and I give him a minus. According to him, Russia does not need Crimea because it is too expensive. Following the author’s logic, we have only losses from Sevastopol, and the Russian army and navy are generally ruinous. It is not difficult to imagine what the author sees as a “benefit” for Russia.
  56. 0
    8 July 2014 02: 11
    We went through all this in the 90s, felt it on our own ass (and not only). Ukraine should feel all this itself.
  57. 0
    8 July 2014 10: 02
    I agree with the Author, he is 100% right. Article +.
  58. 0
    8 July 2014 14: 41
    Interesting: restitution will destroy the remnants of the state of Ukraine - link (http://novorus.info/news/policy/24858-bomba-dlya-ukrainy-ot-obse-krym-oto
    shel-k-rossii-v-poryadke-restitucii.html). And no options for federalization. The USA wanted the collapse of the state - they will get it. And Novorossiya must be defended! Strelkov is a wonderful leader and people will follow him. And there will be transformations, but later.

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