Reports from the fronts of New Russia

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The headquarters of the Donetsk People's Republic confirm the information that the militia left Slavyansk. As soon as Poroshenko reported that the roadblocks, on which the militiamen were stationed in Slavyansk, were empty, the ukroprezident ordered to occupy the center of the city and raise the Ukrainian flag. At the moment, ukroflag above the city administration is not raised. Apparently, the punishers still something (someone) prevents to fully manage in the city.

Reports from the fronts of New Russia


"First channel" reports that the militia decided to leave the city after Ukrainian armored vehicles entered Slavyansk. Channel One provides information from residents of the DPR and LPR.

Jeanne Verhovod:

What do the people who blast our territory want to tell us? What do they want to prove to us? So that we get scared? So we threw the territory and left everything from here? Freed their apartments, houses, abandoned property acquired over the years, abandoned old parents?


It is reported that the Ukrainian artillery is carrying out indiscriminate firing through the quarters of several cities of Novorossia at once. In Lugansk heard shots and explosions. Ammunition flies to the buildings of urban schools, the oncologic dispensary, and residential apartment buildings.

Under Lisichansk the militia of the Brain Detachment broke the mechanized convoy of the National Guard under, and in Artyomovsk the Ukrainian security forces still prevail over the militia, which is seriously inferior in numbers and equipment.

Local residents report that the Ukrainian troops attempted to advance towards Donetsk through Karlovka, but received a counter-attack from the militia and were forced to retreat. At the same time, intensive shelling of the capital of Donbass from the Ukrainian positions began. In Donetsk itself, the militia attempted to discourage the Ukrainian security forces. During long battles, the militia managed to take part of the airport under their control.

Agency RIA News reports that the column of military equipment of the national militia advanced in the direction of Donetsk. According to eyewitnesses, in the column - to 200 units of equipment: from trucks to armored vehicles. Initially, it was reported that the militia, who left Slavyansk, remain in Kramatorsk.

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    1. Gagarin
      +82
      5 July 2014 12: 49
      When will we finally see the Cunning PUTIN PLAN !?
      ... Yanukovych's "cunning plan" once we have already passed ...
      1. +32
        5 July 2014 12: 53
        Quote: Gagarin
        THE Tricky PUTIN PLAN !?

        The "tricky plan" is how to stay clean when Novorossiya is drained. Given the increase in articles justifying the inaction of the GDP, the plan is being actively implemented ...
        1. +34
          5 July 2014 13: 05
          rus69 SU Today, 12:53 ↑
          .Simple plan ..
          Donbass: grandiose ethnic cleansing of the Russian and Russian-speaking population
          Olga CHETVERIKOVA | 05.07.2014/00/00 | XNUMX:XNUMX
          http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2014/07/05/donbass-grandioznaya-etnicheskaya-chistka-r

          usskogo-naseleniya-28343.html
          1. Rossić
            +26
            5 July 2014 14: 17
            the ingenious plan of the world kagal-Judaic oligarchy is to physically destroy the Russians in the places of their compact residence (Donbass is just one of such places), dissolve the remnants of the people by settling the original Slavic territories with foreigners, geypropaganda, alcohol, drugs, Internet primitivism and other and other. ...
          2. -1
            5 July 2014 14: 53
            Cream-lyady Donbass leaked. It’s time to merge the Kremlin people.
            1. +25
              5 July 2014 15: 40
              Quote: cosmos111
              Cream-lyady Donbass leaked. It’s time to merge the Kremlin people.


              Who is going to merge? Gringam, Zion or maydaunam?
              I have to think what to do - I agree, but do not become traitors themselves, because of the silver-loving dishes.
              1. +10
                5 July 2014 15: 46
                ... according to my inner conviction, the most complete and insurmountable - Russia will never have, and never have had, such haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe agrees recognize them released!

                And do not mind me, do not dispute, do not shout at me that I am exaggerating and that I am a hater of the Slavs! On the contrary, I love the Slavs very much, but I won’t defend myself either, because I know that everything will come true exactly like I say, and not because of the low, ungrateful, as if, character of the Slavs - they have a character in this sense, like everyone else, namely because such things in the world cannot happen otherwise.

                After their release, they will begin their new life, I repeat, precisely by asking themselves to be given the pledge and protection of their freedom from Europe, England and Germany, and even Russia will be in a concert of European powers, but they will protection from Russia and will do it.

                They will certainly begin by saying that within themselves, if not directly out loud, they declare themselves and convince themselves that they are not obliged to Russia with the slightest gratitude, on the contrary, that they hardly escaped Russia’s power-loving intervention by the European concert, and not if Europe had intervened, Russia would have swallowed them right away, "bearing in mind the expansion of the borders and the foundation of the great All-Slavic empire on the enslavement of the Slavs to a greedy, cunning and barbarous Great Russian tribe."

                Perhaps a whole century, or even more, they will continually tremble for their freedom and fear the lust for power of Russia; they will curry favor with European states, slander Russia, gossip and intrigue against it.

                Oh, I'm not talking about individuals: there will be those who will understand what it means, it means that Russia will always mean to them. But these people, especially at the beginning, will appear in such a pitiful minority that they will be subjected to ridicule, hatred and even political persecution.

                It will be especially pleasant for the liberated Slavs to express and trumpet the whole world that they are educated tribes capable of the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbaric country, gloomy northern colossus, not even of pure Slavic blood, persecutor and hater of European civilization.
                1. Alexander I
                  -3
                  5 July 2014 17: 52
                  Something you see is visible liberal
                  1. +6
                    5 July 2014 18: 58
                    F.M.Dostoevsky: “One very special word about the Slavs ...
                    Well, you're dark!
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              3. +19
                5 July 2014 15: 48
                Of course, they will have, from the very beginning, constitutional governance, parliaments, responsible ministers, speakers, and speeches. They will be extremely comforting and admiring. They will be in ecstasy, reading telegrams about themselves in Paris and London newspapers informing the whole world that after a long parliamentary storm the ministry finally fell into (... the country to taste ...) and a new majority of the liberal majority someday theirs (... last name to taste ...) agreed to finally accept the portfolio of the president of the Council of Ministers.

                Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that all these liberated Slavs will rush into Europe with ecstasy, before losing their personality will become infected with European forms, political and social, and thus will have to go through a long and long period of Europeanism before comprehending anything in its Slavic meaning and its special Slavic vocation among the humanity.

                Between themselves, these zemstvos will always quarrel, forever envy each other and intrigue against each other. Of course, in the moment of some serious disaster, they all will certainly turn to Russia for help. No matter how they hate, gossip and slander Europe, flirting with her and assuring her of love, they will always feel instinctively (of course, in a moment of trouble, and not before) that Europe was a natural enemy of their unity, it will always remain for them, and that if they exist in the world, then, of course, because there is a huge magnet - Russia, which, irresistibly attracting them all to itself, restrains their integrity and unity ...


                F.M. Dostoevsky
                http://rvb.ru/dostoevski/01text/vol14/01journal_77/315.htm

                PS Dostoevsky writes about the Slavic tribes of the Balkan Peninsula, but everything is quite suitable for Ukraine rushing to Europe.
                1. +1
                  5 July 2014 16: 37
                  We have been citing Fedor Mikhailovich's useful thoughts for the third month. We need to think how we will still help ...
                  1. +1
                    5 July 2014 16: 57
                    The third month is not limited. It's forever.
                    1. ASQ
                      ASQ
                      +4
                      5 July 2014 17: 28
                      LET THEM TRY TO SHOOT FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN!



                      V.PUTIN: And I will look at those who give such an order in Ukraine.
                      I want you to clearly understand me, if we make such a decision - only for protection Ukrainian citizens.

                      http://kremlin.ru/news/20366
                      1. ASQ
                        ASQ
                        +3
                        5 July 2014 17: 35
                        WHY PUTIN DOES NOT ENTER A MILITARY:


                        The Western press writes that Putin's youngest daughter married Korean (southern, of course) Yoon Joon Won, the son of a South Korean admiral. According to the violinist Lettis Roubotem, who played at the event, the three-day wedding ceremony was allegedly held at the luxury hotel La Mamounia in Marrakesh (Morocco).


                        Then the korean Katya seemed to be bored and they broke up and now are “just friends” (from his words). Currently Katya lives in Munich, Germany.

                        According to the latest available information Putin's eldest daughter Masha lives in Holland, in the city of Worschooten and cohabits with 33-year-old native Jorrit Faassen, former top manager of Stroytransgaz and Gazprom. The media mentions sweet couple's neighborhood - Krimwijk Heet, where does she occupy a penthouse in a luxury house. On May 15, 2012, the Bulgarian television channel BTV reported that Masha had given birth to a child from a Dutchman.
                        http://btvnews.bg/article/svetut/vladimir-putin-se-sdobi-s-vnuk-pod-stroga-sekre
                        tnost.html



                        Putin's girls meet each other, too, clearly not at home. It is known that they repeatedly visited the villa at Silvio Berlusconi, which he himself recently told. In the photo Putin’s daughters are captured with Barbara Berlusconi (far left). Are they in the Russian Federation? There is no information about this, but one can often come across allegations that Masha has not lived in Russia since 2005.
                        http://www.utro.ru/articles/2014/05/18/1195496.shtml

                        1. +1
                          5 July 2014 17: 52
                          ASQ

                          Date of visit: July 5 2014 17: 43
                          Registration Date: July 5 2014 16: 52

                          Another fighter on the invisible front?
                        2. +1
                          5 July 2014 18: 02
                          I WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE ADMINISTS ... THE ATTACK IS GOING. TAKE ACTION ..
                        3. ASQ
                          ASQ
                          -4
                          5 July 2014 18: 06
                          Quote: Oprychnik
                          I WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE ADMINISTS ... THE ATTACK IS GOING. TAKE ACTION ..

                          laughing
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                        6. 0
                          5 July 2014 20: 40
                          Quote: Snipe
                          In short, anyway what !!!!

                          what do you spend silver on time
                        7. -2
                          5 July 2014 20: 39
                          Quote: DMB87
                          ASQ

                          Date of visit: July 5 2014 17: 43
                          Registration Date: July 5 2014 16: 52

                          Another fighter on the invisible front?

                          here lately so many of THESE fighters have divorced that there is no one to talk at least don't go to the site, then a provocateur, then a "fighter"
                        8. 0
                          6 July 2014 00: 24
                          Well, yes ... the State Department allocated money, now the trolls have a hot time ... haying greens.
                        9. Snipe
                          -1
                          5 July 2014 19: 53
                          In short, anyway what !!!!
                        10. BEGGAR
                          +2
                          5 July 2014 20: 53
                          Thanks for the info! What else to expect from the traitors. It would have been a hostage to these virgins if he had carried out a patriotic policy. The Russians, they sold us ...
                      2. +7
                        5 July 2014 17: 50
                        Quote: ASQ
                        LET THEM TRY TO SHOOT FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN!

                        He is the Great Pu, He gave the Word, he took the word ...
                        1. kronverg
                          +4
                          5 July 2014 18: 26
                          And what are some putinoids sitting here? As soon as criticism poo so immediately minus. Or is the editorial office doing this?
                        2. mirexes
                          +11
                          5 July 2014 19: 38
                          Just as they say, hope dies last. Personally, I felt ashamed in front of the residents of New Russia, forgive us
                        3. Snipe
                          +7
                          5 July 2014 19: 54
                          Not one of you was ashamed ...
                      3. +1
                        5 July 2014 18: 03
                        Kremlin dreamer!
                      4. +5
                        5 July 2014 18: 34
                        He 10 times already outplayed everything ....... but people in the Donbass never found out about it. Now they scratch the back of the head - who should you believe ??
                        1. +1
                          5 July 2014 21: 35
                          Quote: Novel 11
                          He 10 times already outplayed everything ....... but people in the Donbass never found out about it.

                          - Do we find out why the militia left Kramatorsk, passing it in transit from Slavyansk to Donetsk?
                          There is doubt that there was a conflict with the local population, i.e. there was no mass support and perhaps even asked not to expose the city to danger of destruction. You’ll think about it in these situations. (then Strelkov regrets the absence of a replenishment in the militia, then some unexpected fact crawls out)
                      5. Dr. Raz
                        +3
                        5 July 2014 20: 20
                        Here we are standing behind. Far, far behind ...
                      6. GDP
                        +9
                        5 July 2014 20: 59
                        LET THEM TRY TO SHOOT FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN!

                        They are already shooting, we are watching ...
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                      8. +3
                        6 July 2014 02: 49
                        I would like to ask him for a promise!
                        Why did people stop answering for their words?
                        And who wants to vote for such a president in the future ?!
                      9. nik.romanoff
                        0
                        6 July 2014 17: 35
                        only here is the sense of these decisions. which cannot even be in the original .... I understand that it would be ugly to send troops. but support could be made normal. or shooters ponty bashing, asking for help?
                  2. 0
                    5 July 2014 20: 34
                    Nothing stands still, as it is true that the world and civilization are developing in a spiral, but more simply, everything is new, the old is well forgotten.
                    But thought, national morality needs to be developed. If we indulge in the pessimism of Dostoevsky, let’s surrender everything at once !?
                    Or will we still fight for the Slavic world, for the great heritage of the Aryans (the Germans in this regard are only half-breeds)?
                    There is no other way for humanity, or all of humanity will suffer the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah, or we will truly become God's children (not Christ's slaves, but precisely the children of our gods).
                    And it’s not for the Indians to bring light to the world!
                2. 0
                  5 July 2014 18: 47
                  They were silent in a rag, and then you will be silent already in a dirty cloth, Putin steers! He returned the Crimea, and here you are fighters of office armchairs, clapping dubiously and rejoiced! And now Putin has started - kremlyad? That's all your slavish psychology!
                  1. mirexes
                    +8
                    5 July 2014 19: 40
                    Just understand why then it was to reassure people and promise to help them. You could just say Crimea returned, but you yourself somehow decide whether I will help. Then there would be no questions for him
                    1. koshh
                      +1
                      6 July 2014 00: 08
                      Quote: mirexes
                      why then was it to reassure people and promise to help them.


                      And they really have no help! You look at the refugees, and there are half of healthy men behind the backs of wives and children. Why didn’t they stay to protect their homes? Strelkov, after all, said that there weren’t enough militias. We will not forcibly push them back (but it would be necessary).
                    2. +2
                      6 July 2014 00: 33
                      Goebbels read the works? The art of mixing truth with lies.
                      Every memory you have is not the Dory fish from the movie Nemo. Putin asked to postpone the referendum until better times. But there are too many gorlopans in Ukraine, Putin is not a decree for us ... And the best times would have come at the beginning of winter and referenda would have passed by themselves even on the Maidan in Kiev, however the show is not canceled.
              4. Alexander I
                -2
                5 July 2014 17: 44
                It is necessary to formally present no confidence in the government according to the constitution of the Russian Federation. Otherwise, all other cases are not legal.
                1. -1
                  5 July 2014 21: 48
                  Quote: Alexander I
                  It is necessary to formally present no confidence

                  - Well, Trotsky came to us, you still need to buy a couple of Alpenstocks, they can come in handy!
                  1. -1
                    6 July 2014 00: 35
                    This is not Trotsky, this is the daughter of an officer from Sevastopol arrived ...
              5. nik.romanoff
                0
                5 July 2014 22: 59
                the guy on the rating works.
            2. +19
              5 July 2014 16: 05
              Our left Slavyansk, but did they leave?
              We read carefully; http://ivanoctober.livejournal.com/432635.html
              And this; http://rusvesna.su/news/1404548750
              Our friend, the militia Dmitry, is still at the frontline in Slavyansk with his comrades, he said that the city is under the full control of the militia and commented on the "delusional" statements of the President of Ukraine:
              “We offer Petro Poroshenko to personally hang the flag ...
              But it is better to flag the DNI and let the clean take with them, the Slavs have a tradition to bury even enemies, but in clean linen. Khazarin the damn. "

              And this is https://www.facebook.com/alexnoiyit
              Just. The message of the national guardsman with the ATO (on emotions):
              Alex noit

              "I'm in shock, d *** Muzhenko just about **** the flight of more than a hundred units of cars, trucks, armored personnel carriers, plus our" beloved "Non, with almost two dozen tanks from Slavyansk to Kramatorsk. Military, b *** * a genius in all its glory. The terrorists are quietly leaving the "blocked" Slavyansk. But to this d **** our intelligence told about this option that day, so it is "misinformation, misinformation" .. n **** .. "
              And where now does it all bomb and kill ???

              We will see further am
              1. kronverg
                -5
                5 July 2014 18: 28
                The flag is already Ukrainian in Slavyansk.
                1. +2
                  5 July 2014 19: 33
                  And what kind of ensign, malek? Uykuldyknuyas with their Polovtsian showdown ... Ushlepok ... http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/426/eerk782.jpg
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            4. fima
              +1
              5 July 2014 16: 09
              if the Kremlin merged everyone, then why on the border with the outskirts several brigades are sitting in the woods and even the troops are pulling up just so they can only wait for orders.
              1. +8
                5 July 2014 16: 50
                the demonstration, for the first time, the troops were brought to the border, then he gave the order to the GDP to return to the places of permanent deployment, now again here to the border, it is necessary to take something with the troops so that all sorts of thoughts do not arise
              2. +15
                5 July 2014 16: 50
                the key word is "sitting", for three months now they have been coming up, leaving, sitting
                1. kronverg
                  +3
                  5 July 2014 18: 31
                  Accurately sazano. + 100
              3. +3
                5 July 2014 17: 08
                Quote: fima
                why on the border with the outskirts of the forest several teams are sitting

                Where are the facts, dear? Especially about "pull up"?
                By the way, some units, indeed, are advanced to the border, in connection with the increasing shelling of our border posts. But only ..
                1. kronverg
                  -4
                  5 July 2014 18: 33
                  It would be better if the border was moved 3 km inland, so as not to disturb ukrov.
                2. koshh
                  0
                  6 July 2014 00: 18
                  Quote: avia1991
                  put forward to the border, in connection with the increasing shelling of our border points. But only ..


                  World War II began after the Poles were accused of killing German border guards. History may repeat itself.
                  1. +1
                    6 July 2014 01: 49
                    Quote: koshh
                    WWII started

                    Well, don’t wait for us when our people in OUR TERRITORY begin to die! .. However, the top and this can swallow - personally, it does not concern.
              4. 0
                5 July 2014 18: 47
                This is such a cunning help - what if the enemies are scared feel
                1. -4
                  5 July 2014 19: 11
                  Dove, but in Kuev you don’t drink beer? Or do you, bloodsuckers, only drink human blood?
              5. 0
                6 July 2014 00: 39
                Do not feed the trolls.
            5. kronverg
              -3
              5 July 2014 18: 05
              Directly my thoughts. + 100
          3. +11
            5 July 2014 15: 48
            It may turn out that there is no gas there;
            The real reason Shell has suspended the development of shale gas fields in Ukraine
            http://www.dialog.ua/news/6632_1403293082
            In accordance with the agreement, Shell’s Ukrainian colleagues will have to wait another 50 years to get their hands on this long-awaited “freedom gas”, which will reduce dependence on foreign energy sources.
            Shell’s first disappointment in the Ukrainian gas market turned out to be related to the quality of the metal in the pipes ... well, etc. wassat

            In March 2014, it became clear that the Belyaevskaya-400 well, which Shell drilled in the Pervomaisky District of the Kharkiv Region in search of shale gas, would not be profitable. "Gas was not found in our area. Geological exploration work showed that it is not there," admitted Viktor Namchuk, head of the Pervomaysky District State Administration of the Kharkiv Region, on February 28, 2014. request
            As in many other countries of Eastern Europe, optimistic forecasts about the size of shale gas deposits were several times higher than real estimates of reserves.
            In addition, Ukraine’s neighbors - Lithuania, Bulgaria and Poland - are also likely to close shale projects, because they turned out to be less economically viable. By the spring of 2014, Chevron and Eni had also abandoned many shale projects in Eastern Europe for various reasons.
            The current “hot” situation in Ukraine means that politicians in the EU and the US at the official level cannot announce the suspension of gas export projects from the region, but the business community has already begun to “move out”.
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          5. pg4
            +6
            5 July 2014 15: 57
            Video in topic
            1. +3
              5 July 2014 19: 33
              I don’t know who this elderly man is, but my thoughts are one to one like his! The question is, where did he find the information?
              1. 573385
                +1
                6 July 2014 01: 07
                About this in the network news was during the Crimean epic. By the way, a similar agreement was signed with China, but already concerned the Crimea and its shelf. China is going to grow agricultural products in the Crimean waterless steppes, apparently towers and pumps. And you thought that it was Putin a brave patriot? No, China stood behind him!
          6. 0
            5 July 2014 18: 57
            It will not happen!!!
        2. +29
          5 July 2014 13: 13
          05.07.14. 13: 05 Message from the militia

          "In the area of ​​Karlovka and on the outskirts of Donetsk airport, there are battles. At 12:35 Moscow time, a couple of dryers from the upper front launched NARs at the Donetsk airport. According to some reports, in the evening by nightfall the airport came under the control of the DPR, this information is being clarified and verified. "

          I confirm that in the evening and at night it was very loud and a dense skirmish was heard. Half an hour ago I heard two explosions.
          1. +5
            5 July 2014 13: 17
            Quote: Sith Lord
            According to some reports, in the evening by nightfall, the airport came under the control of the DPR, this information is being specified and verified. "

            Not the entire airport, but only part of the buildings and the position of ukrov, at the beginning of the runway ...
            1. 0
              5 July 2014 14: 14
              Nearest drive for whom?
            2. 0
              5 July 2014 16: 40
              Yes, only part ...
          2. +23
            5 July 2014 14: 17
            Vladislav said that “in Donetsk there are big problems with water. Donetsk airport is defeated. Now, buildings are on fire at the airport. The airport is on fire.
            Citizens in the city center can move around quietly. But skirmishes, of course, do happen. Our militias are now fighting with punishers in the proportion of "ten to one." The enemy has an advantage in manpower and equipment. Shooters left Slavyansk without loss. Now in the ruined city there were only old people. In the near future, it is planned to unite all the forces of the militias. Today we are joined by international brigades from France, Germany, and now from the Czech Republic.
            And I also want to make an announcement. July 6, in Donetsk, on Lenin Square, a large rally "Stop the genocide!"
            1. +13
              5 July 2014 14: 43
              In two regions, 7,5 million people, of whom 2,5 million are males, and 10 thousand are fighting, if 1/10 hours would RISE, then dill must have been torn with your bare hands! But something does not work, the miners, the workers are SILENT. So for what or for whom RUSSIA should shed its blood. With this attitude towards us, they will then blame RUSSIA for all mortal sins.
              1. Oleg amos
                +1
                5 July 2014 15: 12
                And what will they fight with slingshots? The apple itself didn’t go to fight if they didn’t give me weapons
                1. 0
                  5 July 2014 17: 51
                  And what will they fight with slingshots?

                  They cut coal to Akhmetov for 2 months? They sent money to Kiev? Probably thought that the National Guard would share weapons? Again Russia is to blame. But that is not all.
                  In conclusion, it is emphasized that the President of Ukraine also drew the attention of the leadership of the European Union and European institutions to the Donor Conference, the purpose of which, including raising funds for the restoration of destroyed buildings and infrastructure in Donetsk and Lugansk regions. The interlocutors agreed to talk again at the beginning of next week, the press service of Poroshenko said.

                  Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1822197.html#ixzz36ae362uF
                  Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.

                  Here we are. We will collect money (including from Russia) to "repair" the bombed cities.
                2. +6
                  5 July 2014 17: 53
                  Quote: Sibom
                  if 1/10 o'clock would RISE, then dill must have been torn with bare hands!

                  Quote: Oleg Amos
                  And what will they fight with slingshots?

                  The problem is taking place ...
                  With slingshots ... Yes, how many Saiga and Vepr carbines, not to mention SKS, SVT, are legally registered in Donbass?
                  Himself in my heart another time scolding Putin in every way, I want fluff and feathers to fly from banderlogs.
                  But ... really, if there were 100 thousand in the militia? I assure you that small arms would be found at all. But not only Kalash appeared, but also cliffs and PTRs.
                  And this is a garrison in every village. Donbass is a "continuous city". Hit the punishers at night (and from an ambush during the day), poison water, beer, vodka, food, place mines on the roads, blow up bridges, attack "carts". So that there is nowhere to stop to draw water. Yes
                  And with a kyle on tanks you don’t have to rush. And you need from the top floor a couple of bottles of gasoline. And to a truck with shells for these tanks to puncture tires. And drove methyl alcohol. Yes Troops do not go everywhere in battle formations and as part of a battalion regiment. See 1812, and later, up to Chechnya.
                  But there is none of this. They wear a punisher, they say the Ukrainian state does not supply them.
                  Not all, but wear ...
                  Maybe I’m wrong, the opinion of local comrades is desirable, but, apparently, the approximate distribution among the population is as follows: 60 percent are passive, although most of them went to the referendum for the DPR, they would only be as soon as possible over.
                  About 20 percent - the fifth column, sitting as long as they are quiet, waiting for Poroshenko to lead them to Europe by the handle.
                  Well, the remaining 20% ​​are so-called pro-Russian, of which they are ready to stand up with arms in their hands (for various reasons) percent ... five.
                  Even then, the number of militias should be 70.000 thousand. This is unlikely ...
                  It means not five percent, but two or only one of all pro-Russian on the barricades ...
                  And you say troops to enter ...
                  Not allowed.
                  But you can bomb with precision weapons.
                  To stop shelling Russian border points.
                  You look, then the "eternal peace" will begin.
                  1. +3
                    5 July 2014 20: 37
                    Quote: Alekseev
                    And with a kyle on tanks you don’t have to rush. And you need from the top floor a couple of bottles of gasoline. And to a truck with shells for these tanks to puncture tires. And drove methyl alcohol

                    Yes, a powerful instruction, the events in Slavyansk haven’t taught you anything, so the APU will fly around the city from the MLRS and fly from the upper floors of the bottles with gasoline in one direction and the thrower in parts to the other
                    1. +1
                      7 July 2014 11: 48
                      Quote: saag
                      the events in Slavyansk taught nothing

                      A thrower with a bottle climbs onto the upper floor, when the enemy’s BTT is already below, the MLRS does not fire. Yes
                      And ammunition for this same MLRS is being taken along the road, through towns too. And there she does not shoot.
                      The partisans are just fighting, from the top floor, but from around the corner ...
                      And there are dozens of towns like Slavyansk in the Donbass, and there will not be enough MLRS for all.
                      And what, many militias killed MLRS (and howitzers, etc.) in Slavyansk, and how many days she fired there?
                      Shooters brought fully combat-ready forces.
                      And so that every bastard was afraid of burning civilians from the City, it was not necessary ... The Soviet Union to fall apart and vote for an independent and rich Ukraine.
                      Now we have what we have.
              2. -2
                5 July 2014 16: 12
                Totally agree
              3. +3
                5 July 2014 16: 53
                Where is the weapon? Kyle to the tanks.
              4. +9
                5 July 2014 17: 12
                Quote: Sibom
                then dill must have been torn with bare hands!

                Here you are, ... ... ..., and go to fight with your bare hands! Have you ever gone unarmed even against a knife ?! "Heroes", damn it. A tank would have run you in - it would have had to be washed for a week! And here - of course, a hero!
                1. koshh
                  +1
                  6 July 2014 00: 40
                  I didn’t go against the tank with bare hands, but at the threshold of my house I would go with only one teeth. And against the knife - it’s not so scary, it was necessary, only the spirit must be had.
                  1. -1
                    6 July 2014 01: 56
                    Quote: koshh
                    I didn’t go against the tank with bare hands, but at the threshold of my house I would go with only one teeth.

                    Well? .. A tank would crush you (God forbid!) - and then a house with households.
                    I never understood the heroism of those who threw a grenade under the tank: with all due respect to their memory, in my understanding, the main task of a fighter is to preserve his life and combat effectiveness for as long as possible, causing maximum damage to the enemy! And the dead - what can you do? ..
                    And against the knife - not only the spirit, it would be necessary to have some self-defense skills. Well .. cold head smile
              5. kronverg
                -9
                5 July 2014 18: 38
                Again putinoid ... During the war the partisans had about one percent (sometimes more). The rest just survived ...
                1. +1
                  5 July 2014 19: 07
                  Quote: kronverg
                  During the partisan war, there was about one percent

                  Well, that’s enough for you, of course! But what a LITTLE is a fact, archives confirm this.
                2. -4
                  5 July 2014 19: 50
                  Quote: kronverg
                  During the war, partisans were on the order of one percent (sometimes more). The rest just survived ...

                  During the war, 29 million men were drafted into the army and other structures. Except for partisans.
                  And about a hundred thousand fled from them (deserters, policemen, etc.), in percentage terms, not very much. They didn’t want to succumb to the “smart nation”.
                  And if there were only partisans, then everyone would have survived, they wouldn’t have survived.
                  1. +1
                    5 July 2014 20: 18
                    For the position of the Russian Federation, what is happening now in Donbass is of decisive importance: the civil war of the population with the banderlog, albeit not all the people with weapons in their positions, or, simply, as the Svidomo kiyans write: "a bunch of shit turns cancer into a whole army"
                  2. 0
                    5 July 2014 20: 37
                    Have you got enough? Enumerate tomorrow and rehash !!!
              6. 0
                6 July 2014 00: 46
                It takes time to get people to the minimum, otherwise it is mass suicide.
                And in general, referenda were started in vain, by the winter of the junta, problems from management and chaos in the economy would have run away. And now they feel like heroes and have excuses for the people that the war ... no money ... everything went to the front.
                1. +2
                  6 July 2014 03: 09
                  Quote: biznaw
                  And in general in vain referenda started

                  We got it right, in accordance with the stated position "Russians don't abandon their own." When they asked for help, they were told: "Why do you guys have such confidence that the people want independence?" They held a referendum, showed - YES, THE PEOPLE WANT TO SEPARATE! And in response, there was already a FULL SILENCE ..
                  When asked to recognize the DPR, LPR, they made appeals - who heard them? Even in the media not a word was said, people only recognized this information from the Internet. And Pushilin was generally told: "Your document is incorrectly drawn up." Remember, maybe the video with his statement: "We are new to politics, and not very competent yet in drawing up such messages. BUT NOW IT'S DONE IN FORM!" And he read the text in the presence of THREE Russian TV channels. NOT A SINGLE FALL IS SHOWN! And no response from officials ..
                  So "in vain referendums" are you in vain hi It was not worth provoking people - that’s right.
            2. vlum
              +1
              5 July 2014 17: 35
              July 6, a large rally will be held in Donetsk on Lenin Square

              It is also necessary, as on the Maidan, that residents with pots on their heads come there.
              Some sort of cassette will fly in there, like in a park in front of the Lugansk administration - from the head or from ... who will tear their hair?
              Enough to do nonsense already and dance around the squares to drive if bombs arrive on the heads.

              Even at the very beginning of all this mass agitation, the thought came to me many times that work with the population should be carried out by methods of "direct influence with information." Those. exactly the way Amway Avon and the like have done in recent years. - the agitator creates the first five or ten, which is followed by five, etc. There was enough time for wide coverage and even a referendum was organized. At the same time, to maintain feedback on responding to the negativity of correspondents to take their opinion into account in their actions ... But I do not like rallies and I do not believe in the significance of this whole show. And the enemy press also does not believe in anything, but reacts either to obvious tragedies / disasters, or by order of sponsors - so why should activists and militia be diverted to rallies (to gather and protect a peaceful rally)
          3. 0
            5 July 2014 16: 15
            Quote: Sith Lord
            this information is being updated and verified. "

            Apparently they harnessed the team of oxen and sent refinements and checks to them.
        3. +32
          5 July 2014 13: 19
          PositionedRuss69and soonGagrin-y
          Not understood. Why are you happy about that? Have you already "buried" the Strelkovites? Or are there only parades and victorious bloodless offensives in the war? Or do you know what others do not know? like Vanga? Stick your dirty tongues ...
          1. +28
            5 July 2014 13: 22
            05.07.14. Message from Pavel Gubarev.

            “Igor Ivanovich Strelkov decided to leave Slavyansk. This was done at night. artillery calculations (Ukrainians "fight" mainly by shelling at peaceful cities.) This time can be effectively used to complete the process of uniting militia forces, centralizing them under a one-man command, to improve the quality of communications and communications of troops, to increase the supply of troops, primarily with heavy weapons (artillery and armored vehicles).
            Kutuzov also departed, and this was the plan. In general, the Russian depart only before the decisive victorious battle.
            Now we need to strengthen the humanitarian support of Donbass. Refugees on the border with Russia for yesterday passed more than the entire last month. "
            Something like that
            1. Ural guys
              +2
              5 July 2014 13: 31
              Yes! We jump for a long time, but drive fast!
              Yankees, if you can hear me, pick up your underpants and tick until it's too late!
            2. typhoon7
              +25
              5 July 2014 14: 32
              In the boiler, they would sooner or later be frayed with heavy weapons, but this does not mean that Slavyansk now belongs to the junta, there are partisan walls and bricks. Strelkov left with twenty tanks and a large column of other equipment, on their side their native land and mobility. Although of course they need help in no doubt. God bless you guys and Victory to you.
            3. +2
              5 July 2014 14: 32
              Retweeted Alexandr Zhuravlev
              Denis Pushilin @Pushilin_DNR12 min
              Sorry, the inhabitants of Slavyansk, that they could not protect you ... We fought with all our might. Sorry if you can forgive ...
              Retweeted Alexandr Zhuravlev
              Denis Pushilin @Pushilin_DNR17 min
              Slavyansk passed ...
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              1. +5
                5 July 2014 16: 11
                Russian Foreign Ministry: Moscow suspends transfer of weapons and military equipment from Crimea to Kiev

                Russia has announced the suspension of the transfer to Ukraine of military equipment from the Crimea. This decision, taken in connection with the continuation of the punitive operation of Kiev in the Donbass, will be valid until the operation is terminated. This was stated in the Russian Foreign Ministry.
                Is there anything strange happening, before all these months that the world has been? And they returned, (I don’t understand why, by the way, to be afraid of lawsuits or what else? So is it still ahead of Crimea, Or Putin thinks that because of SE Ukraine the Americans and the West will they let everything go on the brakes, (I mean Crimea)? Now Crimea itself is a great opportunity for them not to lift the sanctions and impose them in the future, and against this background, such a sloppy Kremlin policy. now, and we are hoping for negotiations, but they are just for them to take time
            4. strong man
              +7
              5 July 2014 14: 51
              "Remember the mysterious tactical technique, when we retreat - we are going forward !!!" The Soviet Army also retreated, but then passed all of Europe and took Berlin !!
              1. 0
                6 July 2014 00: 55
                "... While the enemy draws maps of the offensive, we change the landscapes, and manually. When the time comes for the attack, the enemy is lost in unfamiliar terrain and comes to full non-readiness. This is the point, this is our strategy."
            5. -12
              5 July 2014 14: 59
              Quote: sds555
              This time can be effectively used to complete the process of uniting the militia forces, centralize them under a single command, improve the quality of communications and communications of the troops, strengthen the supply of troops, primarily heavy weapons (artillery and armored vehicles).

              interesting . who prevented them from uniting the troops, when in general, if they did not win. then at least feel confident?
              How to improve the quality of communication? Having concentrated all in one place, so that you can talk without phones.
              It’s clear to any person who is not a little bit blinkered that the concentration of forces in one place in conditions of qualitative and quantitative superiority of the opponents and in the absence of supply of ammunition and the possibility of replenishing reserves will lead to only one thing - encirclement and defeat - of course another option - they will continue to jump from city to city in a crowd, and Ukrainians will methodically destroy these cities.
              We are no longer talking about any offensive actions or protecting the population (for which it’s all started, for example) - in the end, the population of these cities, well aware that the presence of defenders in these cities, in addition to destroying nothing, will simply drive them .
              1. Vik.Tor
                +9
                5 July 2014 15: 23
                What can you say about your comment, you can see from the couch how to fight Strelkova and where to be the militia, and unfortunately there is no war without victims, and not militias destroy the cities of the RZSO and aviation.
                1. 0
                  5 July 2014 15: 49
                  Quote: Vik.Tor
                  What can you say about your comment, you can see from the couch how to fight Strelkova

                  Of course, by the way, you are also responding to my comment, not from the dugout near Slavyansk
              2. +7
                5 July 2014 17: 23
                Quote: atalef
                It’s clear to any person who is not a little bit blinkered that the concentration of forces in one place in conditions of qualitative and quantitative superiority of opponents

                Ohhh, analysts from the lands of Israel are connected! Well, yes, yes: you have more experience of such a war — how many years have you been dealing with Palestine!
                Where were you, Alexander, with your advice when everything could have been arranged "differently"? Why didn't you go to Slavyansk, didn't give a hint? ..
                It's just "none of your business". Why are you performing here, in that case? Add skepticism? A sort of "regular opponent"! I had such an acquaintance: he will bring people to white heat, all evil - sparks fly! And he is crazy! Happy willow!
                Are you from the same opera?
                1. -3
                  5 July 2014 17: 31
                  Where were you, Alexander, with your advice when everything could have been arranged "differently"? Why didn't you go to Slavyansk, didn't give a hint? ..

                  as where? Like all VO strategists, on the couch
                  Go to Slavyansk? I look like a patient?

                  It's just "none of your business". Why are you performing here, in that case? Add skepticism? A sort of "regular opponent"! I had such an acquaintance: he will bring people to white heat, all evil - sparks fly! And he is crazy! Happy willow!
                  Are you from the same opera?

                  Of course not mine, and apparently not yours - otherwise why aren't they there?
                  Add skepticism? From the very beginning, I said that neither the LPR nor the DPR have any chances - there is no direct entry of Russian troops, the continuation of their fluttering will bring nothing but unnecessary casualties and destruction
                  1. +2
                    5 July 2014 19: 02
                    Quote: atalef
                    Of course not mine, and apparently not yours

                    Well, you're wrong about me - that's my business too. Why not there - I already wrote: with my condition it is only a burden to be in the "field", alas. But your interest is not clear! .. Or do you remember the "genetic memory" of the former unity in the USSR?
                    1. -1
                      5 July 2014 19: 10
                      Quote: avia1991
                      Well, you're wrong about me - that's my business too. Why not there - I already wrote: with my condition it is only a burden to be in the "field", alas.

                      So be in the rear, help with money, send your son at worst or daughter - the nurses also need

                      Quote: avia1991
                      . But your interest is incomprehensible!

                      Yes, in general, there is not much interest, but you will not forbid me to have an opinion - I hope.
                      Quote: avia1991
                      . Or is the "genetic memory" of the former unity in the USSR remembered?

                      Yes, this interferes with how the Ukrainians (who didn’t refuse their nationality during the USSR), who fought with everyone in the Great Patriotic War, worked throughout the USSR, overnight did it (only because they didn’t enter the TS) in view of not only Ukrainians, but all the inhabitants of Ukraine) by the Nazis, Bandera, etc. --- it bothers me.
                      1. +3
                        6 July 2014 01: 30
                        Quote: atalef
                        help with money

                        Money for a long time. I just don’t see the point of shouting about it.
                        Quote: atalef
                        You do not forbid me to have an opinion - I hope.

                        So be it - speak out .. laughing God forbid! I’m just trying to understand what drives a person for whom Russia is a foreign country, and the Slavs are not blood brothers.
                        As for "all Ukrainians were made fascists" - WHO made them like that? Coma themselves? Did you not live "in the old style", supporting trade, going on a visit, to earn money, etc.? I didn't live. Those Ukrainians who, together with my grandfathers, fought against Hitler, HAVE A LONG TIME. And those that exist are already "the descendants of the great ukrov, the founders of the entire civilization."
                        No, not all fascists. But the fascist junta is in power, and those who support it are MY ENEMIES. As I understand it hi
              3. +3
                5 July 2014 17: 33
                It seems to me that the time has come for Strelkov in fact, in fact, to lead the armed forces of New Russia.
              4. +1
                5 July 2014 18: 25
                Quote: atalef
                in the end, the population of these cities, realizing that the presence of defenders in these cities, in addition to destruction does not bring anything, will simply begin to drive them.

                And why the population does not begin to drive banderlog?
                After all, it is from them the greatest destruction!
                Ah, I forgot, banderlogs have tanks and artillery ...
                But the militias also have something.
                What about the population? what
                The active part of the people decides everything, and not the vague term population.
                No wonder Hitler demanded in occupied Poland to destroy "as a class" in the "first place" the nobility, officers, clergy, and intelligentsia.
                And he believed that the "population" could be left in reasonable aisles - someone needs to work.
                1. -4
                  5 July 2014 19: 15
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  And why the population does not begin to drive banderlog?

                  Strange, yes? Probably understand where the ears grow

                  Quote: Alekseev
                  The active part of the people decides everything, and not the vague term population.

                  I agree, the population is generally inert, the only one. what it can do is support or passively resist. The level of these two indicators shows who is for whom. And Strelkova has a big deficit with fighters (from local) - he himself spoke about this more than once - what conclusion can be drawn?
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  No wonder Hitler demanded in occupied Poland to destroy "as a class" in the "first place" the nobility, officers, clergy, intelligentsia

                  Of course. just what is it here for? Do ethnic cleansing take place in Ukraine? So far there have been no such facts.
              5. 0
                6 July 2014 00: 57
                The fact that dill are destroying city after city is already a problem of the Ukrainians themselves, and not of the militia, so the "language" will bring it to Kiev ...
          2. +18
            5 July 2014 13: 27
            Quote: GrBear
            PositionedRuss69and soonGagrin-y
            Not understood. Why are you happy about that? Have you already "buried" the Strelkovites? Or are there only parades and victorious bloodless offensives in the war? Or do you know what others do not know? like Vanga? Stick your dirty tongues ...

            Don’t swear. Not only victories in the war. Kiev had too big an advantage. Maintained the skeleton of the battle is the main thing. And at night they will come to Slavyansk to visit.
            1. +6
              5 July 2014 13: 35
              Not to visit, but to visit, how is it at home?
            2. +19
              5 July 2014 13: 47
              LPR intelligence neutralized the KP of punishers with space communications
              05.07.2014 - 10: 09

              The reconnaissance unit of the LPR army managed to neutralize the control system of the punitive group near Lugansk.

              As reported at the headquarters of the militia, "Luhansk scouts managed to track down and neutralize the enemy's mobile command post based on a semi-trailer trailer, equipped with elements of space communications and surveillance."

              In addition, "LPR intelligence revealed the routes of movement and accumulation of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 2 Ukrainian tanks were captured." Also, the retaliatory fire of the militia destroyed the tent of the punitive officers, equipped with an air conditioner, a satellite dish and elements of a communication system.
              1. +10
                5 July 2014 15: 35
                In vain they equipped a tent with the conditioner
                1. typhoon7
                  +1
                  5 July 2014 16: 29
                  The punitive air conditioners were a bad omen, breathed in fresh air.
                  1. +4
                    5 July 2014 19: 36
                    to have air conditioning in Ukraine is a bad omen! Something will definitely fly into it!
                    1. 0
                      8 July 2014 15: 43
                      Quote: Artyom
                      to have air conditioning in Ukraine is a bad omen! Something will definitely fly into it!

                      Exactly! Svidomye about this and broadcast!
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          3. +15
            5 July 2014 13: 46
            Quote: GrBear
            Not understood. Why are you happy?

            You really do not understand. This is not joy, but expectation! People want to know what is the plan of our permanent president, Vladimir?

            Quote: GrBear
            Have you already "buried" the Strelkovites?

            Nobody closed them. But the situation is becoming critical and this cannot fail to be noticed only by a real, full-fledged boob.

            Quote: GrBear
            Or do you know what others do not know? like Wang?

            Probably they don’t know, therefore they ask?
            Judging by your statements, do you know something more ??? Can share? Calm our oppressive souls?
            The situation of the militia is deteriorating every day, is it time for our GDP to show its outstanding abilities to one of the recognized world leaders (to flash on the political Olympus, so to speak) or do you think that there’s still a whole wagon?
            For some reason, I recently remember a cartoon from distant childhood.
            One of the characters of this cartoon all the time gave out such a phrase!
            "-Do you have a plan, Mr. FIX ???"
            1. 573385
              -3
              5 July 2014 14: 01
              "Mr. Fix" has one plan to save the "bookmarks" discovered by the Americans in Swiss banks (40 billion candy wrappers) !!!
              1. +10
                5 July 2014 14: 14
                Quote: 573385
                573385 Today, 14:01 ↑ New
                "Mr. Fix" has one plan to save the "bookmarks" discovered by the Americans in Swiss banks (40 billion candy wrappers) !!!

                I don’t know about bookmarks, I won’t chat, but the threat of sanctions from the bourgeoisie still makes itself felt (South Stream, the breakdown of trade relations in various sectors of our economy, an attempt to politically isolate our Motherland on the world stage, build up NATO forces on our borders) all this has a great influence on the further action or inaction of the Kremlin.
                Almost everyone here (with the exception of a couple of Ukrainian Natsik trolls) considers our country to be great and strong! Maybe it's time to actually show it or is it not how we think?
                1. +9
                  5 July 2014 16: 13
                  Quote: Arberes
                  the threat of sanctions from the bourgeoisie still makes itself felt (South Stream, the rupture of trade relations in various sectors of our economy, an attempt to politically isolate our Motherland on the world stage, the buildup of NATO forces on our borders)
                  We will be "friends" only if Russia actually becomes a protectorate of the West, if we allow our country to be weakened until it collapses completely. Talking about breaking off trade relations with Russia, refusing Russian gas ... Yes, it would not be their sanctions against us, but ours against them! Cut off the gas to Europe, to hell with their money, what will they sing, what quick "alternatives" will they find? Who else needs their goods? "Sanctions" are not so much terrible for Russia (there is the East for trade, its own resources), sanctions are terrible for individual government individuals with their foreign junk and selfish interests. Such, here, is the vision of the plot, dear Arberes. I don't know with whom Putin is, but as long as these friends of America have power with us, nothing good will happen.
                  1. +1
                    5 July 2014 16: 51
                    Quote: Per se.
                    Who else needs their goods?

                    Are you talking about electronics?
                    1. 0
                      5 July 2014 23: 28
                      Quote: saag
                      Are you talking about electronics?
                      Not only if we talk about the EU, but if about electronics in general, the same States often use Chinese components. At one time, abandoning the "Bush legs" was already a small sanction against the Americans, and there are many such "trifles" and not trifles on which they are doing millions and billions with us. Instead of their beef, their potatoes, and so on, we may well have our own, and what we cannot yet, then besides the USA and Europe there is the same China, the countries of Southeast Asia and Latin America.
                  2. +6
                    5 July 2014 16: 57
                    Quote: Per se.
                    They will be "friends" with us only if Russia actually becomes a protectorate of the West,

                    Well, this is no longer friendship, but what kind of partnerships do you get? In the pose of a broken birch!
                    You don’t have to be a wise guy three times to know for sure that Russia will cave in under the onslaught of brute, not very brute and other forces and they will speak with us in this language (from a position of strength) constantly.

                    Quote: Per se.
                    Who else needs their goods? "

                    This is a moot point, you can also ask who needs our products?
                    It is necessary to establish trade and economic ties with everyone, with Western countries and with Eastern countries, and with the whole world, and the more successful we are doing this, the less likely we will be to bite us more with the Western world or whatever.
                    Relations should be on an equal basis, without threats and other antics of our Western "friends". If friends begin to become impudent, they must be sharply and clearly upset in place. That's how I think, you will not respect yourself and others will not respect. drinks
                    1. -1
                      5 July 2014 23: 40
                      Quote: Arberes
                      This is a moot point, you can also ask who needs our products?
                      It may be controversial, but take the same Georgia, the same Dill, that they kid us, how can they, where are they without the Russian market? Both Poland and the Baltic states, almost all of Eastern Europe, make their money in Russia, as in Western Europe, our market for its products is important. Yes, it’s good to have honest partners, equal relations, but only a strong country has them, and weak capitalists do not stand on ceremony. Give a finger, bite off your hand. The fact of the matter is that they are impudent, feeling our weakness, and here, speaking of sanctions, the diplomatic principle is important - they sent our diplomat, we are their diplomat. Without this, they’ll sit on our neck.
              2. +2
                5 July 2014 14: 38
                The old son of a Kramatorsk officer?
              3. +1
                5 July 2014 14: 42
                Apparently, you personally counted these 40 billions of candy wrappers, and personally helped Putin make these bookmarks.
                But seriously, since you are talking so much about not so small amounts that you have sources, so enlighten everyone, proofs to the studio !!!!!!!
            2. +1
              5 July 2014 17: 18
              And I remember "Peculiarities of the National Hunt" - Leva said that one should not despair. ... and now you can despair
              http://citatyizfilmov.ru/video/1259/Не-надо-впадать-в-отчаян
              s
          4. +5
            5 July 2014 13: 48
            Quote: GrBear
            Positioned Russ69-u and Gagrin-ukro
            Not understood. Why are you happy?

            Uh ... I would like to ask, what is our joy expressed in? Or prefer to hear only positive news. So in war they are different, as a rule ...
          5. +1
            5 July 2014 17: 15
            Quote: GrBear
            Why are you happy?

            YOU - you do not roll - open the profiles of these people, and read "Latest comments". And then apologize if you know how to think. "Shoulder straps" are big, but there seems to be a lack of thoughts.
        4. +4
          5 July 2014 13: 23
          Apparently, this is the essence of this tricky plan, and we are all rubbed on the ears that everything is fine.
          1. +10
            5 July 2014 14: 04
            Quote: Giant thought
            Apparently, this is the essence of this tricky plan, and we are all rubbed on the ears that everything is fine.

            Or maybe this is the "cunning plan" - to collect in one place all the Ukrainian and Russian opponents of the oligarchy and Kiev neo-fascism, all active, all who can captivate and lead the people, all those who are not indifferent and trusting, promise them help, and then pretend, I forgot.
            And let them with defective MANPADS and RPGs in their hands defend themselves from aircraft and tanks ... until they are all smeared and bombed into dust.
            Tricky plan ...
        5. 0
          5 July 2014 13: 24
          New Russia merged. Now ethnic cleansing and filtration camps will begin (((
        6. -2
          5 July 2014 13: 59
          AMERICOS PUSHED A PINE TO PUTIN CAPITALLY. ALL RUSSIAN BILLIONARDS SIT AND DO NOT SEE AND DON'T BE HEARED THAT OBAMA AND THEIR MELLIARDS WILL BE DELIVERED EXTENTLY. NOW ONE FINANCIAL MEASURE IS TAKEN ABOUT THE CONSCIENCE OF HONOR DOES NOT WORTH AND SPEAK. THE FINAL WILL BE MISSLEONING THE ARMY WILL TURN THE PEOPLE AND THE END OF THE WORLD AGAINST TWO REGIONS OF SAND.
          1. +1
            5 July 2014 14: 15
            Brilliantly wipe the foam !!!
          2. +18
            5 July 2014 14: 35
            Quote: zlideny
            PUTIN TAIL AMERICOS PUSHED

            I give you this with all my heart:
            1. pahom54
              +6
              5 July 2014 15: 06
              for GRAY ...
              Ugh on this face ... Spoiled the appetite, I just took up a sandwich ...
              1. +13
                5 July 2014 15: 34
                Quote: pahom54
                Ugh on this face ... Spoiled the appetite, I just took up a sandwich ...


                Leave your sandwich- pahom!
                Alas, your appetite is spoiled.
                This face with popsicle,
                Your lunch will easily finish!

                Well, how much can you eat, madame?
                Human rights chimera.
                Look don't choke on the sour.
                Columns fifth pillar of Valera!

                For the picture, my respect to you, dear GRAY drinks
            2. -8
              5 July 2014 15: 09
              La La La La Da La La La Da!
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            3. Vik.Tor
              +2
              5 July 2014 15: 28
              Cool and with humor + you
            4. +4
              5 July 2014 16: 28
              Toad! copied .. thanks .. I’m going to scare the human being on the Internet. lol
            5. 0
              5 July 2014 17: 37
              Quote: GRAY
              I give you this with all my heart:

              Now I can’t eat ice cream for a year ...
          3. +1
            5 July 2014 16: 24
            Niari! delirium of hysterics.
        7. Nikolaychuk
          +2
          5 July 2014 14: 17
          But there is no cunning in the plan. Everything goes as it goes. No need to write off volunteers and locals. It is entirely possible that everyone will meet, regroup, and begin to fight on a common front.
          Napoleon entered Moscow, Hitler to Moscow, ended in Paris and Berlin.
          1. +8
            5 July 2014 14: 30
            Quote: Nikolaychuk
            they will meet, regroup, and begin to fight on a common front.

            With mortars and machine guns against howitzers, with MANPADS against jet aircraft, with some RPGs against hundreds of armored vehicles, REDUCED AGAINST THE REGULAR ARMY?
            I would be funny if it were not bitter and painful. Slavyansk almost wiped off the face of the earth and this is just the beginning.
            1. +2
              5 July 2014 17: 47
              Quote: Arberes
              Slavyansk almost wiped off the face of the earth and this is just the beginning.

              Apparently, more sacrifices and destruction are needed so that the world recognizes the fact of the destruction of their own people by Parashka.
              But the question is: where is the limit, how long will he get away with it?
              And how many cities like Slavyansk need to be razed to the ground so that it becomes obvious that it is he, and not Russia, who are to blame for all this lawlessness?
        8. -5
          5 July 2014 15: 19
          Quote: Russ69
          Quote: Gagarin
          THE Tricky PUTIN PLAN !?

          The "tricky plan" is how to stay clean when Novorossiya is drained. Given the increase in articles justifying the inaction of the GDP, the plan is being actively implemented ...

          It doesn’t work out, Crimea will soon become Ukrainian in that case ... And the Maidan is just around the corner
          1. +1
            6 July 2014 01: 09
            It's hard to disagree about the Maidan ... It is inevitable in your outskirts like the seasons.
        9. +4
          5 July 2014 15: 39
          [quote = rus69] [quote = Gagarin] THE PICTURE PUTIN PLAN!? [/ quote]
          The "tricky plan" is how to stay clean when Novorossiya is drained. Given the increase in articles justifying the inaction of the GDP, the plan is being actively implemented ... [/ quote]
          [quote = rus69] [quote = Gagarin] THE PICTURE PUTIN PLAN!? [/ quote]
          Here read what a resident of Lugansk writes https://www.facebook.com/olena.stepova/posts/597018237082373 And there are not a few of them! This is not Crimea. And these creatures will definitely shoot our guys in the back, you can be sure!
          1. +4
            5 July 2014 15: 59
            Quote: Raskolnik
            Here read what a resident of Lugansk writes

            I read this essay. I have a question for those present - has anyone tried to have sex in the basement during an art raid or air bombardment? In games on a computer, too, is not very trusted.
            It seems to me that this Lena is a zapadentets mykola.
            Well, maybe there in Ukraine people are not the same as everywhere and artillery and mortar shelling at them ... u?
          2. 0
            5 July 2014 16: 45
            I agree, I spoke about shooting in the back in April ...
        10. 0
          5 July 2014 16: 37
          [quote = rus69] [quote = Gagarin] THE PICTURE PUTIN PLAN!? [/ quote]
          The "tricky plan" is how to stay clean when Novorossiya is drained. Given the increase in articles justifying the inaction of the GDP, the plan is being actively implemented ... [/ quote

          It is fortunate that in 41 in the USSR there was no Internet. What expanse to the all-companions.
        11. +1
          5 July 2014 23: 18
          Quote: Russ69
          The cunning plan "is how to stay clean when Novorossia is drained. Given the increase in articles justifying the inaction of the GDP, the plan is being actively implemented ...

          You do not confuse your plans with the plans of Russia. You want to fight, this is your own business. The Supreme for the whole country is responsible, and not only for New Russia, and for this, when making this or that decision, the Supreme has to take into account many factors, unlike you. You are our warlike ...
        12. 0
          6 July 2014 00: 20
          Another troll ... Do you have a parade today?
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        1. +24
          5 July 2014 13: 03
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          What do not talk about tactics and strategy, but leaving Slavyansk is a shock. Everyone thought that they dug in well and there will be a mini-Terrible, where even in a mini-amu

          What a formidable, than to fight? Strelkov recently said that out of 20 RPG-18, none worked. To arrange a mini-Terrible, you need the appropriate weapons in the required quantity. And Grozny took place not so much from the genius of the militants, but from the stupidity of our command. Dill, on the other hand, has good advisers, and they won’t do such stupidity; you don’t need to consider them fools.
      3. +21
        5 July 2014 13: 00
        Here on this map the situation at the front is clearly visible

      4. +15
        5 July 2014 13: 13
        The gagarin-cunning plan comes down to the phrase-this is an internal affair of ukroina and you see its consequences every day - and the guarantee did not have another plan.
        1. +6
          5 July 2014 13: 19
          05.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX Message from Pavel Gubarev

          “Igor Ivanovich Strelkov decided to leave Slavyansk. This was done at night. artillery calculations (Ukrainians "fight" mainly by shelling at peaceful cities.) This time can be effectively used to complete the process of uniting militia forces, centralizing them under a one-man command, to improve the quality of communications and communications of troops, to increase the supply of troops, primarily with heavy weapons (artillery and armored vehicles).
          Kutuzov also departed, and this was the plan. In general, the Russian depart only before the decisive victorious battle.
          Now we need to strengthen the humanitarian support of Donbass. Refugees on the border with Russia for yesterday passed more than the entire last month. "
      5. +27
        5 July 2014 13: 14
        There was also the "Cunning Plan" of Gaddafi, Milosevic, Saddam ...
        Already bored.
        1. +1
          5 July 2014 14: 14
          And he brought his cover in Yugoslavia, if I am not mistaken, Churkin. And we know the result ...
        2. -3
          5 July 2014 16: 10
          So take your weapon and go!
      6. +17
        5 July 2014 13: 14
        Quote: Gagarin
        When will we finally see the Cunning PUTIN PLAN !?

        I won’t drink so much
        1. +11
          5 July 2014 13: 29
          This episode will go down in the history of military science as "Strelkov's Breakthrough from Slavyansk to Kramatorsk." It seems that the situation there is hopeless. We must consolidate our forces. Hero City has fallen ...
          1. tokin1959
            +30
            5 July 2014 13: 37
            Slavyansk did not fall !!!!!!
            The shooter just went to Donetsk.
            Strelkov does not need a heroic death, but a victory over dill.
            The "capture" of Slavyansk by dill is the beginning of their defeat.
            1. -6
              5 July 2014 14: 07
              Quote: tokin1959
              Slavyansk did not fall !!!!!!
              The shooter just went to Donetsk.
              Strelkov does not need a heroic death, but a victory over dill.
              The "capture" of Slavyansk by dill is the beginning of their defeat.

              another tricky plan?
            2. +2
              5 July 2014 16: 17
              Leave the "bag"? This is valor, and it's good if Slavyansk is held. Unfortunately, there is little information ...
            3. 0
              5 July 2014 18: 18
              And civilians ~ 30000?
              And the children ~ 1000?
              Why are they all abandoned?
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        2. +5
          5 July 2014 13: 31
          Andrey from Chelyabinsk (1) RU Today, 13:14 ↑ I won’t drink so much ....
          ..health warns ....

          ... look at what you've already thought about _Vyacheslav Musatov: "And only the" militias "do not negotiate with anyone, and do not officially cooperate with anyone. Even with each other, different units do not constitute an integral organizational structure. And judging by their position now, they did not even hold direct negotiations with Russia before taking up arms and starting to fight for something there. They just stood up and went to shoot, not considering it necessary to coordinate their actions with anyone. Probably, they are something fundamentally Are the others simply unworthy to negotiate with them? Or maybe during direct and honest negotiations they will have nothing to say as their argumentation?

          Unwillingness to negotiate, unwillingness to take official responsibility. That's what drives them.
          They defend their values ​​- the irresponsibility and frivolity to which they are accustomed. And for some reason they call it the "Russian world".

          Well, they get a natural result.
          http://maxpark.com/community/politic/content/2841646?utm_campaign=mostinterestin
          g & utm_source = newsletter
          ..However ... is he all right with his eyesight ??? maybe memory impotence: ??
          1. No. 4№y
            0
            5 July 2014 15: 08
            From a sick head to a healthy one.
          2. +2
            5 July 2014 16: 44
            Quote: 222222
            ..you look to what speculations already _Vyacheslav Musatov:

            Fairy tale..b. And how was he just released from the hospital?
      7. olf_1959
        +2
        5 July 2014 13: 35
        He wants to repeat the path of Yanukovych. But where is he granted asylum?
        1. +21
          5 July 2014 13: 38
          05.07.14/13/22. XNUMX:XNUMX Message from the militia

          Our militia friend Dmitry is still at the forefront with his comrades in Slavyansk, he said that the city is under FULL control of the militia and commented on the delusional statement of the president of the former Ukraine:

          "We suggest that Petro Poroshenko personally hang the flag ... and let the pure take with them, the Slavs have a tradition to bury even enemies, but in clean linen. Khazarin damn."
      8. Nyuta
        +11
        5 July 2014 13: 36
        What kind of plan is in the bathhouse ... The guys are leaving, the ass is really there ... We drove shorter ... Poor people living in these territories, now they will begin to filter them to the fullest ...
      9. +3
        5 July 2014 13: 46
        "Yeltsin's Cunning Plan" - Yugoslavia was unlocked.
        The campaign is the same.
        1. +31
          5 July 2014 14: 00
          Hey, all-embracers under Ukrainian flags pouring shit on Putin. I can understand the Russians, who demand from their president to begin to deist, but I can't understand you.
          You’re sitting here and watering Putin, what the hell are you doing at the computers, and not at the front line reflect the attacks of ukrov? They’re a fucking patriot, scratching their tongues, and hugging Claudia.
          Sit and stumble, the keyboard characters. We sat when the maidan was, it didn’t give a damn. You won’t touch it, but now, as then, you blame Russia for everything. The Russians will come and put things in order for you.
          Your asses from the sofas in isolation, at least once in your life. Damn disgusting for you to meet the gut-sicknesses are bad.
          1. +5
            5 July 2014 14: 56
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hey, all-embracers under Ukrainian flags pouring shit on Putin. I can understand the Russians, who demand from their president to begin to deist, but I can't understand you.
            You’re sitting here and watering Putin, what the hell are you doing at the computers, and not at the front line reflect the attacks of ukrov? They’re a fucking patriot, scratching their tongues, and hugging Claudia.
            Sit and stumble, the keyboard characters. We sat when the maidan was, it didn’t give a damn. You won’t touch it, but now, as then, you blame Russia for everything. The Russians will come and put things in order for you.
            Your asses from the sofas in isolation, at least once in your life. Damn disgusting for you to meet the gut-sicknesses are bad.


            Speak correctly, Alexander.
            1. +6
              5 July 2014 16: 35
              The territory of the Russian Federation is regularly shelled. Nonsense. Speak correctly, Alexander.
          2. +1
            5 July 2014 15: 22
            A man said-a man did, and whoever does not answer for his words .... Putin
            1. +5
              5 July 2014 16: 25
              Quote: T80UM1
              A man said-a man did, and whoever does not answer for his words .... Putin


              Yah? As long as Putin has no interest in egg-scent-kuli, etc. maydaunskih "figures are far away.

              I myself am not happy what is happening in the Southeast, but Putin has responsibility for all of Russia. Do you know the whole balance of power? Kutuzov could also, immediately give battle, but what would happen to Russia?
              Have you ever had to sacrifice anything, either in the hope of preserving more or do you refuse strategic thinking to GDP?
              Yes. The fate of the RUSSIAN WORLD is being decided in the Southeast and the stakes are very high, not everything can be resolved by a swift, saber strike.
              If there is a drain, then wait a short time for a war on our territory, you can begin to prepare either over the hill or in the trenches - according to your mentality.
              1. 0
                5 July 2014 17: 37
                Quote: skeptic
                In the Southeast, the fate of the RUSSIAN WORLD is being decided

                Exactly. And for some reason Russia in the FATE OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD decided to take part in "licking" the rabid enemies of this very world! Can you tell me why?
              2. 0
                8 July 2014 17: 36
                Quote: skeptic
                If the drain, then wait a short time for a war on our territory, you can begin to prepare either over the hill or in the trenches

                It is right! All the clues were cackling here (as Alexander Romanov said). Hey PEOPLE, are you ready to go into the trenches? !!!!!! Do you think the war will slip past you ?! Well, well ... Even if you don't get into the troops, you still have to work "for victory", otherwise it will be like in World War II (I was 15 minutes late for work to be shot !!!!). Get ready! Build bomb shelters for your families, preferably with protection from nuclear weapons.
            2. 0
              5 July 2014 18: 21
              Quote: T80UM1
              who does not answer for his words .... Putin

              And who is responsible - the one who is Obama, Poroshenko, Merkel?
          3. 0
            5 July 2014 16: 51
            We have a low ability to organize. This is bad, there are reasons for that. But it is. So why are we feeding about a powerful horde of deputies, referents, political strategists. Enter at each enterprise, private, budgetary not the essence, a shift for the Donbass, voluntary., But with the opportunity to look into the refuseniks, show this bank account and its contents. Send a summons with a voluntary appearance. Organize rallies in defense of the murdered Russians. Open help points. I don’t accept your comment. Hypocrisy.
            1. 0
              5 July 2014 17: 40
              "Organize rallies in support of the killed Russians. Open the collection points for help."

              And I UNDER DRINKING BEER ON THE SOFA ...
              1. +1
                5 July 2014 18: 18
                I don't drink vodka or beer. I read books, I drowned on the Internet. But I specifically suggested - a work shift to help Donbass. I'm ready to work it out. And from you one suggestion. I quote - "WHILE I WILL DRINK BEER ON THE SOFA ...". It was not enough for more. This is your position. And you are also talking idiotic nonsense about military history. There will be no military history Strelkov's Breakthrough. They will clean every website, burn every piece of paper mentioning the Donbass uprising.
          4. +1
            5 July 2014 18: 19
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hey, all-protesters under the Ukrainian flags, pouring Putin's shit.

            And not only the all-protesters, but also our tie-coilers (we have such marshals) who joined the pro-protesters.
            Despondency and panic of death and defeat are alike. In wartime, many were put to the wall and did not look Russian, Ukrainian or Oligarch.
        2. -9
          5 July 2014 14: 01
          Quote: Vesnik
          "Yeltsin's Cunning Plan" - Yugoslavia was unlocked.

          Unlike GDP, the EBN had the courage to make a march to Cristina's airport, albeit without his knowledge, but he supported the initiative of the commanders. And the fact that they left, so not of their own free will, but by the decision of the sold power of Serbia
          1. +3
            5 July 2014 15: 02
            Quote: Russ69
            Unlike GDP, EBN had the courage to march to Cristina Airport

            I read your comments for March, there is pride for Putin, Rogozin, Lavrov and the rest. Now there is verbal diarrhea, are you gaining a rating?
            1. +1
              5 July 2014 16: 06
              Yes ... panic. Calm down gentlemen ...
            2. +1
              5 July 2014 17: 08
              Yes, how much I do not read, only on rates and works request
            3. -2
              5 July 2014 17: 40
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I read your comments for March

              Do not overdo it, "covering up" the Guarantor. In March, it seemed to many that Russia was being reborn.
            4. 0
              5 July 2014 18: 30
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I read your comments for March, there is pride for Putin, Rogozin, Lavrov and the rest. Now there is verbal diarrhea, are you gaining a rating?

              Nevermind. Marshal Marshal strife. This is a shifter and fixtures in high shoulder straps who are pressed on his shoulders from this star disease develops (infectious) and is treated only by demotion, but there is no such antibiotic on the forum.
              1. +1
                6 July 2014 01: 02
                Quote: Irokez
                is treated only by demotion, but there is no such antibiotic on the forum.

                Why not? For example, I was "dropped", it was the case, from "captain" to "foreman". Apparently, the personal likes and dislikes of the moderators still have a place to be wassat
          2. -1
            5 July 2014 16: 21
            Crimea is he too?)))))
        3. -1
          5 July 2014 16: 20
          Crimea is also Elkin prosrar?
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      11. +1
        5 July 2014 13: 48
        Quote: Gagarin
        When will we finally see the Cunning PUTIN PLAN !?

        He already outwitted himself
      12. 573385
        -38
        5 July 2014 13: 52
        The semi-Jew of Putin points from dollars !!!
        1. 0
          5 July 2014 13: 55
          Apparently, the punishers still something (someone) prevents fully host in the city.

          Well, no one will flee the city from the hangover. First the sappers have to go. Then the special forces to make sure that there are no force majeure. And it’s not difficult to hang a banner.
        2. +2
          5 July 2014 16: 42
          Quote: 573385
          The semi-Jew of Putin points from dollars !!!


          Do not judge by yourself - let not you be judged.
        3. -1
          5 July 2014 17: 17
          It’s better to work out grants, otherwise you will work somehow without a twinkle, because they won’t pay negative
        4. 0
          5 July 2014 17: 50
          573385
          And yet he wipes them. AND BECAUSE YOU ARE FORWARDED TO YOU DON'T DYE FROM HUNGER!
      13. +12
        5 July 2014 13: 59
        Quote: Gagarin
        Gagarin Today, 12:49
        When will we finally see the Cunning PUTIN PLAN !?

        - not entirely in the same way, but, more than once have already written about modern means of confrontation, and therefore I am interested in the sources of topics and information. You, sir, registered on the site under the flag of Ukraine on February 25 of this year, wrote 1260 comments in 130 days - this is your job or now "having found yourself in Europe" there is a lot of free time - ???
        If you are free, then do not wait, but yourself, show your like-minded people an example of resistance.
      14. +8
        5 July 2014 14: 02
        Quote: Gagarin
        When will we finally see the Cunning PUTIN PLAN !?

        Gagarin is heard, and you yourself are finally going to fight for your land, or will you still shoot at posts on the Internet?
      15. +1
        5 July 2014 14: 02
        She is a "dark horse", be calm - they will find you a job as in the first months of the Great Patriotic War. When the time comes, you will shout "TANKS-I-I, TANKS-I-I, we TICK PETRO!"
      16. 0
        5 July 2014 14: 10
        And we see him!
      17. +3
        5 July 2014 14: 16
        no comment
        MOSCOW, Jul 5 - RIA News. Russia suspends the transfer to Kiev of arms and equipment from the Crimea belonging to the armed forces of Ukraine, said the Russian Foreign Ministry
        That's what technique dill and crushed Russian!
        1. 77bob1973
          +3
          5 July 2014 16: 17
          In my opinion, a month ago, ours already suspended the transfer of Khokhlov weapons, why it was necessary to resume the transfer, it is not clear or what, for this, the banderlogs will tell us thanks - no limit to stupidity ...
      18. gog27
        +1
        5 July 2014 14: 16
        Here He is - THE Tricky Plan!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZsPFsx70K0
      19. +2
        5 July 2014 14: 24
        Enough of "cunning plans", and instead of "White" books, you need to prepare execution lists and start executing them, from number one to the end!
        1. 0
          5 July 2014 15: 03
          Quote: Predator
          Enough of "cunning plans", and instead of "White" books, you need to prepare execution lists and start executing them, from number one to the end!

          Something I did not understand, but who wrote that the military is ready to complete the tasks?
          1. -1
            5 July 2014 15: 19
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What I did not understand, and who wrote that the waxes are ready to complete the tasks?

            Hi Sanya
            like who --
            The smallest predator in the world
            1. +1
              5 July 2014 17: 07
              Quote: atalef
              The smallest predator in the world

              Sanya, but he didn’t put a cat, it’s also a predator wink
          2. 0
            5 July 2014 17: 54
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            Something I did not understand, but who wrote that the military is ready to complete the tasks?

            The troops are ready, but I will give the order to them or what ?! Until "Heil Predator!" I am not yet mature! Otherwise Lviv would have been bombed long ago!
      20. thunder0255
        -6
        5 July 2014 15: 08
        Do not smoke Putin's plan! Stoned by this plan, despite the warning from the Ministry of Health, there are too many!
      21. +1
        5 July 2014 16: 16
        To bury Novorossia early! Let them leave Slavyansk, they will be relocated to Donetsk, and this is a very large city. Terrible took 10 years, so let them not hope to clear everything there in a week ... everything is just beginning!
      22. +1
        5 July 2014 16: 16
        To bury Novorossia early! Let them leave Slavyansk, they will be relocated to Donetsk, and this is a very large city. Terrible took 10 years, so let them not hope to clear everything there in a week ... everything is just beginning!
      23. Oleg amos
        +2
        5 July 2014 16: 18
        Urgent note of goodbye and frowning eyebrows required:
        Opened Russian checkpoint fired from Ukraine
        http://vz.ru/news/2014/7/5/694299.html
          Opened Russian checkpoint fired from Ukraine

          
      24. Oleg amos
        -1
        5 July 2014 16: 30
        http://vz.ru/news/2014/7/5/694299.html
        Urgent note and strong protest from Uncle Lavrov
        1. 0
          5 July 2014 17: 04
          Better an apology for everything.
      25. 0
        5 July 2014 16: 36
        Do not count your chickens before they are hatched...
      26. -1
        5 July 2014 16: 57
        Quote: Gagarin
        When will we finally see the Cunning PUTIN PLAN !?

        Dear, this plan is already in full swing! Already from April 24th ..
        Listen! .. Maybe this is the point?
        It is costly to gather a "divided people", and it is dangerous - after all, having united, we will again become invincible! And therefore, the separated parts must be "quietly" lowered "into the pipe", making a helpless gesture: "This is an internal affair of another state .."
        Bullshit, of course .. But, to be honest, bright thoughts visit me less and less.
      27. Foxtrot
        +4
        5 July 2014 17: 26
        Listen, gentlemen "vsepropalschiki", do you want Russian troops to enter Ukraine, do you want the Russian Vanya again or Sasha from Tambov (he is unlikely to go from Moscow) to fight in a foreign hostile country and us ?! I live in Simferopol and every god day I watch how cool cars with Donetsk numbers go to rest in the direction of Yalta (today we drove by several of them). Do you want to protect them? You know Ukraine very badly (especially with a small letter). No, guys, let them first defend their homeland themselves ! Or live under the great ukrami together with them.
        1. 0
          5 July 2014 19: 50
          This is the last courier before leaving for the front)
      28. +2
        5 July 2014 17: 33
        LIFT YOUR ASS AND DOY ON THE FRONT, ENOUGH TO WHILE, NO ONE WILL HELP YOU IF YOU CAN'T RIP OFF YOUR ASS! I don’t need the mothers of Russian soldiers to shed tears, ENOUGH SUFFERING, sickening already! Want a war, GO FOR A COUNTRY, I want peace for my country!
      29. +2
        5 July 2014 17: 34
        When, finally, the administration of this respected forum will exclude the yellow-black from the list of flags of the countries of origin / habitat? Unable to ...
      30. 0
        5 July 2014 17: 45
        I think if he’s a stupid dog doesn’t help any plan, New Russia then oh how soon it will come back to us all!
      31. -1
        5 July 2014 23: 24
        Quote: Gagarin
        When will we finally see the Cunning PUTIN PLAN !?
        ... Yanukovych's "cunning plan" once we have already passed ...


        What's the tricky plan? He shakes for millions in Swiss banks just like Yanukovych does, and also does not want to tear a gas pipe.
        There are no miracles in the world and never happens ...
      32. 0
        6 July 2014 00: 19
        Marshal of the Ukrotrolls.
    2. +10
      5 July 2014 12: 49
      I agree .. how much you can humiliate us and laugh at the same time in person ...
      ..how it would be desirable that all this were true ... that they would finally tear apart Svidomo creatures ...
      AGAINST THE SYSTEM
      Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine: “At the border opposite Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov regions, Russia has concentrated 39,3 thousand military, 10000 tanks, about 2200 armored combat vehicles (AFV), about 3000 pieces of artillery, about 1700 aircraft, 980 helicopters. 26000 Russian military personnel, about 3000 tanks, about 1200 armored combat vehicles, about 400 artillery units, 410 aircraft and 90 helicopters are concentrated on the territory of Belarus. About 7 thousand Russian military and 300 armored combat vehicles are based on the territory of Transnistria. In Crimea, the group of Russian troops has about 52 thousand military personnel. , about 300 tanks, 300 armored combat vehicles, 72 aircrafts and 55 helicopters. "We would like to add that Russia has combat experience in such operations. Chechnya-1994, Chechnya-1999, Af
      Gun, Georgia 2008
      1. rereture
        +22
        5 July 2014 12: 54
        Yes, that's all, the Russian Federation has finally lost its face as a geopolitical pole.
        Vile all. Vile.
        1. +11
          5 July 2014 13: 16
          Do not wait! Not yet evening.
          1. ozs
            ozs
            +10
            5 July 2014 13: 31
            have already waited, and not only this action is slowly moving to the Rostov region, and then there will only be more. There are still many snot, so you can chew for a long time.
            1. +2
              5 July 2014 14: 40
              for sure .. noticed that the journalist is in the newsletter .. in the Rostov Region .. IS THIS ???
              1. 0
                5 July 2014 16: 55
                So, when to the border from the center of the village there is only ONE kilometer, and UKROPs shoot almost without aiming ...
            2. -2
              5 July 2014 16: 25
              So chew))) - You will be healthier)
          2. +12
            5 July 2014 14: 00
            Quote: Lelek
            Do not wait! Not yet evening.

            You spelled correctly ..! The 5th column is just waiting for this .. "Putin has betrayed Novorossiyu" and on the Swamp Cry Putin hu ... o la la la and all with the flags of the EU and dill..It's not evening yet! This is the whole point!
            1. rereture
              +1
              5 July 2014 14: 03
              You spelled correctly ..! The 5th column is just waiting for this .. "Putin has betrayed Novorossiyu" and on the Swamp Cry Putin hu ... o la la la and all with the flags of the EU and dill..It's not evening yet! This is the whole point!


              I cannot blindly believe "in the national leader" (the leader of what nation?), Who acts according to the principle "I am the master of my word: I gave it myself, I will take it back myself."
              1. +4
                5 July 2014 14: 46
                Quote: rereture
                I can't blindly believe "in the national leader"

                - but blindly and do not! Just thinking that you understand the essence of something, do not forget to be critical of your knowledge and abilities.
              2. 0
                5 July 2014 17: 01
                What do you mean? Judging by the flag, it’s by no means in Russia. Believe or not believe your leaders.
                1. rereture
                  0
                  5 July 2014 20: 21
                  fool You can attach any flag to any Zimbabwe, if the server from which you access the Internet is in Zimbabwe. All my traffic goes through European servers, since they compress this traffic, Opera Turbo \ Yandex Turbo mode due to the low connection speed. And I myself live in Russia. I don’t want to put a red flag out of principle.
            2. +14
              5 July 2014 15: 06
              Granny was waiting already !!
              1. 0
                5 July 2014 15: 14
                Quote: Chief of the SA
                Granny was waiting already !!

                who will tell you what kind of machine gun the grandmother
                ?
                1. +4
                  5 July 2014 16: 31
                  German World War II - MG 42.
                  1. -5
                    5 July 2014 16: 40
                    here I am talking about, so whom did the granny decide to shoot? wassat
                    1. +6
                      5 July 2014 17: 08
                      Quote: atalef
                      here I am talking about, so whom did the granny decide to shoot?

                      Grandmother from the warriors dug up hidden in the garden lol
        2. -1
          5 July 2014 14: 06
          Quote: rereture
          Yes, that's all, the Russian Federation has finally lost its face as a geopolitical pole.
          Vile all. Vile.

          I charged you minus dkshi .. real!
          1. -1
            5 July 2014 16: 26
            I also added.
        3. Rusin Dima
          -1
          5 July 2014 15: 01
          Russia has never lost its face and is not going to lose
        4. The Art of War
          0
          5 July 2014 16: 44
          In fact, Europe lost its face, and especially Germany, which shook its president’s wiretap and de facto Europe, there are no independent states constantly watching how to please the United States they didn’t even conquer, they surrendered to the United States by placing bases of a foreign country!
      2. +30
        5 July 2014 12: 57
        Quote: MIKHAN
        10000 tanks, about 2200 armored fighting vehicles (BBM), about 3000 artillery units, about 1700 aircraft, 980 helicopters.

        Ept, it’s not for me to get out of the house now, everything is forced by tanks around !!!
        1. +9
          5 July 2014 13: 13
          Quote: tomket
          10000 tanks, about 2200 armored fighting vehicles (BBM), about 3000 artillery units, about 1700 aircraft, 980 helicopters.
          Ept, it’s not for me to get out of the house now, everything is forced by tanks around !!!

          Do not be afraid stop ! That's all- NANO Yes . Walk calmly, just don’t step on it all by chance, otherwise the whole group of Khan request
          1. +8
            5 July 2014 13: 18
            Quote: retired
            Do not be afraid ! That's all- NANO

            Chubais tried? Damn, then I watch midges on the street dofiga, and the ants in the cabbage wound up.
            1. +6
              5 July 2014 14: 25
              Quote: tomket
              Chubais tried? Damn, then I watch midges on the street dofiga, and the ants in the cabbage wound up.

              Our strike group did not fall! am
        2. +1
          5 July 2014 13: 38
          Like Rostselmash used to combine harvesters!
      3. +5
        5 July 2014 12: 57
        Obruby betrayal apparently caught a fierce one. Such a quantity of troops and equipment will be enough for Europe, and not just for ukrobandits. Fear has big eyes. That's pumping
        1. +2
          5 July 2014 16: 28
          In Sverdlovsk only 1500)
      4. +1
        5 July 2014 13: 21
        "10000 tanks,"
        We do not have so much throughout Russia. Two more zeros were not added ...
        1. +1
          5 July 2014 13: 44
          Quote: Oprychnik
          "10000 tanks,"
          We do not have so much throughout Russia. Two more zeros were not added ...

          Precisely, all of Europe is in a panic, is preparing to urgently emigrate to the United States. smile
      5. +3
        5 July 2014 13: 30
        MIHANU-y
        We quote elikoukrov? They did not prepare an order for the introduction of troops of the Russian Federation? Isn't it that you earn extra money in this department? What stars did you earn? On screaming? negative
      6. wanderer_032
        +6
        5 July 2014 13: 42
        Quote: MIKHAN
        "At the border opposite Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov regions, Russia has concentrated ...


        Some figures are too gigantic ...
        Which suggests that they are taken from the ceiling.
        In addition, if this were actually the case, then the Kiev gang would hardly have decided to crush the militia of New Russia so.
        Such a grouping of troops concentrated near the Ukrainian border would simply leave no illusions about the success of either the Kiev gang or their "sponsor-advisers" from the United States and NATO.
        Especially idiotic is the figure with 10 thousand tanks.
        This amount of our army would be enough to really get them to the English Channel practically without stopping, they simply could not be stopped by anyone.
        After all, these are 10 full-blooded tank divisions of the times of the USSR at the peak of their power, staffed according to wartime states.
        But all these armadas of troops exist only in the hypertrophied imagination of those who instigated such a heresy.
        1. Volkhov
          -9
          5 July 2014 13: 58
          The figures are gigantic, but the Russian Federation needs Ukrainian weapons from Artyomovsk, they can go behind it, in any case, the ground has been prepared for this since April. The Russian Federation spent its weapons on Libya and Syria, and in Ukraine, the supply in Transnistria, too, may try to make a couple of corridors for export.
          1. 0
            5 July 2014 17: 13
            Bullshit gelding. Even nothing to comment on.
      7. +4
        5 July 2014 13: 48
        Russia concentrated 39,3 thousands of military, 10000 tanks, about 2200 armored fighting vehicles (BBM), about 3000 artillery units, about 1700 airplanes, 980 helicopters. 26000 Russian military, about 3000 armored vehicles, about 1200 APCs, about 400 artillery are concentrated in Belarus. , 410 aircraft and 90 helicopters. In the territory of Transnistria about 7 thousand Russian military and 300 BBMs are based. In Crimea, the Russian army has about 52 thousand military, about 300 tanks, 300 BBM, 72 aircraft and 55 helicopters
        How many tank crew are people? And 13,5 thousand tanks? Xnumx guns? 3400 aircraft. 2300 thousand military? Do you have infantry in the Russian army?
        1. +4
          5 July 2014 13: 57
          Quote: aleks700
          Russia concentrated 39,3 thousands of military, 10000 tanks, about 2200 armored fighting vehicles (BBM), about 3000 artillery units, about 1700 airplanes, 980 helicopters. 26000 Russian military, about 3000 armored vehicles, about 1200 APCs, about 400 artillery are concentrated in Belarus. , 410 aircraft and 90 helicopters. In the territory of Transnistria about 7 thousand Russian military and 300 BBMs are based. In Crimea, the Russian army has about 52 thousand military, about 300 tanks, 300 BBM, 72 aircraft and 55 helicopters

          there’s more equipment than infantry. And who will manage everything? After all, crews are included in the number of manpower.
          1. 0
            5 July 2014 14: 05
            Excluded.))
          2. 0
            5 July 2014 14: 18
            there’s more equipment than infantry. And who will manage everything? After all, crews are included in the number of manpower.

            So there you go! And also equipment and protection of the Air Force and so on.
        2. wanderer_032
          0
          5 July 2014 14: 04
          Quote: aleks700
          How many tank crew are people?

          On the tanks T-72, T-80, T-90 three.
          If we still have 55 matches and 62 matches, then there are four.
          1. 77bob1973
            +1
            5 July 2014 16: 26
            Yes, there are not so many tanks in Russia, just as there are no T-55 and T-62, everything in the Kazakh steppes rusts. There are about 6000 T-90, T-72, T-80 tanks throughout the country.
        3. 0
          5 July 2014 16: 30
          See no green men soldier
      8. +1
        5 July 2014 14: 14
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I agree .. how much you can humiliate us and laugh at the same time in person ...
        ..how it would be desirable that all this were true ... that they would finally tear apart Svidomo creatures ...
        AGAINST THE SYSTEM
        Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine: “At the border opposite Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov regions, Russia has concentrated 39,3 thousand military, 10000 tanks, about 2200 armored combat vehicles (AFV), about 3000 pieces of artillery, about 1700 aircraft, 980 helicopters. 26000 Russian military personnel, about 3000 tanks, about 1200 armored combat vehicles, about 400 artillery units, 410 aircraft and 90 helicopters are concentrated on the territory of Belarus. About 7 thousand Russian military and 300 armored combat vehicles are based on the territory of Transnistria. In Crimea, the group of Russian troops has about 52 thousand military personnel. , about 300 tanks, 300 armored combat vehicles, 72 aircrafts and 55 helicopters. "We would like to add that Russia has combat experience in such operations. Chechnya-1994, Chechnya-1999, Af
        Gun, Georgia 2008


        Is this a Russian column?
        1. 0
          5 July 2014 20: 55
          laughing Do you even imagine a convoy of 10 tanks, 000 armored personnel carriers, 2200 artillery + a huge number of cargo vehicles?
    3. +60
      5 July 2014 12: 51
      This is the only reasonable solution ... Strelkov knows better ...
      Much has been said about Russian politics ... And Donabass .. and Strelkov ... and we, the forum users, have become hostages of dirty politics ...
      Very sad ... and tragic ... I do not want to write anything else ... All words are meaningless ...
      Many THANKS to all forum users who read my remarks on the site! Thank you for your feedback and ratings ..
      Many thanks to the administration of this wonderful site! A site where you can freely express your thoughts and express your feelings!
      Eternal Glory to the Fallen !!!
      And a peaceful sky above our heads!
      C \ u Michael

      1. +5
        5 July 2014 13: 04
        Quote: Yapet100
        This is the only reasonable solution ... Strelkov knows better ...
        Much has been said about Russian politics ...
        Very sad ... and tragic ... I do not want to write anything else ... All words are meaningless ...
        Many THANKS to all forum users who read my remarks on the site! Thank you for your feedback and ratings ..

        Your resignation is accepted. Don't write anything pessimistic here anymore.
        1. +12
          5 July 2014 14: 42
          Quote: Irokez
          Your resignation is accepted. Don't write anything pessimistic here anymore.

          Dear IROKEZ!
          In my emotional words, there was no request for "resignation" addressed to you.
          And I understand that there is no war (and there is a real war against fascism under the auspices of the USA) without retreats and defeats. Not a little one already ...
          We have been living in Slavic all the last days, and even watch the World Cup in football with one eye .. And such sad reports from the Western Front are not encouraging ... Yes ... it's bad that Slavyansk was left. But he is left - There !!! And in our souls Slavyansk will remain FOREVER !!!! And we are proud of his defenders !!!
          Everyone has the right to express their emotions! there are no iron people ...
          And I am grateful to the forum users who understood me correctly !!! And I will say it again that I am very glad that I accidentally got to this EXPLANATORY site !!!
          ... but about the "resignation" I will say briefly - WILL NOT WAIT !!!
          And I believe in our Victory !!! Because it cannot be otherwise !!!
          It was more difficult, but ... did it !!!
          1. +4
            5 July 2014 14: 47
            Quote: Yapet100
            And I believe in our Victory !!! Because it cannot be otherwise !!! It was more difficult, but ... they did it !!!

            But for these words Thank you.
            Let this motto be accepted on spiritual and moral weapons by all. +++++++
            1. +2
              5 July 2014 15: 23
              Quote: Irokez
              But thanks for these words.
              Let this motto be accepted on spiritual and moral weapons by all. +++++++

              !!! And thank you!!!
              I am sure that most of the people on this forum experience not a feeling of helplessness, but a feeling of rage! And God forbid someone to make this rage come true !!!
              PREPARED !!!!
              PS Damn !!! I even started to root for Latin and African teams ...
      2. Rossić
        +9
        5 July 2014 13: 07
        Alas, Russia has a non-Russian government, it would be Russian, Slavic, this massacre in the Donbass was not allowed to take place.
        1. 0
          5 July 2014 19: 27
          Quote: Rossich
          it would be Russian, Slavic

          The economic picture of the world has changed political priorities everywhere. Now ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD you will not meet "national" governments - all politicians represent the interests of international economic (oligarchic) ​​groups, and therefore it is simply inappropriate to talk about someone advocating "national interests".
      3. +10
        5 July 2014 13: 16
        To my great regret, I also admit it.
    4. +8
      5 July 2014 12: 52
      Bitterly learning about the retreat. But hope lives on and rage grows!
      1. portoc65
        +5
        5 July 2014 13: 20
        We lose the battle, but we will definitely win the battle
        1. +3
          5 July 2014 13: 52
          Quote: portoc65
          We lose the battle, but we will definitely win the battle

          This is a matter of our survival, and not geopolitics like the West, the defeat in this war with the USA is death for us!
          Many tried to destroy us, no one succeeded, and these next world hegemons will not succeed!
          Carthage (USA) must be destroyed!
        2. +4
          5 July 2014 13: 59
          It is very interesting when will victory finally happen ??? So far, only defeat. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, New Russia? ... They gave the cattle to rejoice over the Crimea and that's enough.
          1. 77bob1973
            0
            5 July 2014 17: 19
            Where did you see the defeat, I haven’t seen anything like that, you wanted a miracle - miracles do not happen, and therefore left Slavyansk, the shells will end someday there will be a truce again, until new ones are brought up, and it will continue, for quite a long time - "then dies, or padishah. "
    5. Gagarin
      +15
      5 July 2014 12: 53
      I can even prophesy a little:
      IF DONBASS IS ALL DROP - THE NEXT WILL BE CRIMEA!
      Kiev does not even hide it.
      It’s definitely not possible to get out.
      1. +16
        5 July 2014 13: 01
        Quote: Gagarin
        I can even prophesy a little:
        IF DONBASS IS ALL DROP - THE NEXT WILL BE CRIMEA!
        Kiev does not even hide it.
        It’s definitely not possible to get out.

        They will learn how to fight, the West will throw weapons, the support of the population of Ukraine is guaranteed to them. The question is, why delay the inevitable, and put yourself in a knee-elbow position depriving yourself of the bridgehead in Lugansk and Donbass?
      2. 0
        5 July 2014 13: 02
        Quote: Gagarin
        I can even prophesy a little:
        IF DONBASS IS ALL DROP - THE NEXT WILL BE CRIMEA!
        Kiev does not even hide it.
        It’s definitely not possible to get out.

        Bad of the shaft of the prophet.
        1. +9
          5 July 2014 13: 54
          Quote: Irokez
          Bad of the shaft of the prophet.

          quite adequate

          Yankees need war with Russia.
          with the wrong hands and in someone else's territory.
          ukrov just kicks drive to the Crimea.
          if they are not stopped at S / V

          choosing between war and shame
          get both war and shame
          1. 0
            5 July 2014 14: 44
            Quote: Rider
            the Yankees need a war with Russia. by strangers and in someone else's territory. the ukras will simply kick in the Crimea with kicks. if they don’t stop at S / V

            I have long known that the Yankees need war, and Ukraine needs a way to ignite it, but over time it’s in no way with the economy and politics in general.
            For example, autumn, winter will come, the Dill will have little money, the fuel is not enough, Europe will lose weight from sanctions and energy, and that only because the Crimea needs to be returned all these problems will continue until the end? What a long end - it will be beyond understanding.
            The starving people of Ukraine will understand themselves "We need it."
            1. +3
              5 July 2014 14: 51
              Quote: Irokez
              I have long known that the Yankees need war, and Ukraine a way to ignite it


              then why did you attack the "prophet"?
              he said everything correctly.

              and all your consequences for the population, the arrows will translate into Russia (though they’re already translating now) and nothing - people hawala

              Anti-terrorist operation - approvals
              fat to the heroes and u such

              But just how will this help the fired S / W?
        2. 0
          5 July 2014 13: 57
          Quote: Irokez
          Quote: Gagarin
          I can even prophesy a little:
          IF DONBASS IS ALL DROP - THE NEXT WILL BE CRIMEA!
          Kiev does not even hide it.
          It’s definitely not possible to get out.

          Bad of the shaft of the prophet.

          I confirm, Cassandra ended badly ...
          1. +4
            5 July 2014 13: 59
            Quote: PENZYAC
            I confirm, Cassandra ended badly ...

            those who did not believe her ended even worse.
      3. +3
        5 July 2014 13: 03
        What rubbish, Crimea is the territory of Russia, Novorossia is not. Our units and the Black Sea Fleet are already in Crimea.
        But I said that Strelkov's "groaning" was for a diversion. And dill has once again been led, stupid. Failed - well done, now they can pour the junta anywhere.
        1. +9
          5 July 2014 13: 54
          What rubbish, Crimea is the territory of Russia,
          The current Minister of Defense of Ukraine has promised a parade in the Crimea. As time shows, Natsik's promises are fulfilled, in contrast to the guarantors, concerned about the welfare of the country.
          1. +2
            5 July 2014 14: 33
            This is where they keep their promises? When they promised Yanukovych to stop buzzing, and together with the Europeans. And then they themselves went to the "last and decisive"? Don't talk nonsense. how can you believe the Nazis and the Naglo-Saxons.
          2. +1
            5 July 2014 14: 37
            Quote: aleks700
            The current Minister of Defense of Ukraine has promised a parade in the Crimea.

            A lot of promises are written on the fence. I can also promise a victory parade on Mars.
          3. +1
            5 July 2014 16: 35
            Do not carry shit. Dudaev spoke about the parade in Moscow
        2. +1
          5 July 2014 14: 16
          Quote: alicante11
          What rubbish, Crimea is the territory of Russia, Novorossia is not. Our units and the Black Sea Fleet are already in Crimea.
          But I said that Strelkov's "groaning" was for a diversion. And dill has once again been led, stupid. Failed - well done, now they can pour the junta anywhere.

          They didn’t take away any eyes, because they simply wouldn’t hold it, it’s not a tactical plan, but the retreat, Strelkov’s forces will continue to decrease, because of local reserves - zero, the border is practically blocked by Russia including - Slavyansk - it was a symbol - Kramators will not become like that - therefore, the motivation of the militia will only decrease, ukrov - on the contrary, and there will be an opportunity to concentrate forces on Kramatorsk, and not stretch the front to Slavyansk --- look really
          1. +1
            5 July 2014 14: 34
            Do not wait.
          2. typhoon7
            0
            5 July 2014 17: 09
            Do not wait. The Slavs never lose motivation. We have wars that are difficult and very difficult, but there is only one end, the destruction of the enemy in his capital, this war will not be an exception. It is only a matter of time, customers will also receive theirs.
        3. +4
          5 July 2014 14: 22
          Here is an elementary sketch:

          - Crimea is not recognized by any Western state.
          - In the Crimea there are Tatars and Svidomo + you can add, but if the SBU will deal with this, until without a total capture.

          1 action is an internal Revolution.
          - unrest for any reason that will immediately catch up with the media of the West
          - an ultimatum, or negotiations with revolutionaries or Sanctions and all that was promised for a blow to mainland Ukraine.
          - pumping on PREGNANT CHILDREN against the BLOOD MODE.

          2 action is a military company, and since Crimea is Russian, Ukraine’s right is recognized to return Crimea by military methods, and Russia is an aggressor.
          - pumping media.
          - drilling at the UN.
          - more sanctions.
          - indirect assistance (Exploration, AWACS, supplies of all uncut junk from Eastern Europe)

          3 action if the second crashes
          - the transition to sabotage war, all sorts of UNA-UNSO under the training of the SBU and more competent will ideologically make Dagestan.
          - the arrival of American bases under direct contracts.
          - supply of military equipment.
          - zombies on the topic of the Bloody Regime should go and pushing for revenge for Ukraine.


          As a result, the situation will be worse in any case than if it is now tough to confront.
          1. +1
            5 July 2014 14: 32
            Quote: donavi49
            As a result, the situation will be worse in any case than if it is now tough to confront.

            This is just your outline. Crimea and Southeast do not need to be compared, the situations are completely different especially in the presence of troops and a small isthmus. But the diversion and pumping of the media was, is and will always be until the United States falls.
          2. +2
            5 July 2014 14: 34
            Here is an elementary sketch:


            Here is an elementary waste - Crimea is recognized by Russia :).
            1. +4
              5 July 2014 15: 36
              Moreover, Russia especially does not ask anyone to recognize anything, because Crimea became precisely the territory of Russia, and not a separate state.
          3. 77bob1973
            0
            5 July 2014 16: 37
            Do you think that the Khokhlov after the DPR will want to deal with a regular army, more technically equipped which has the ability to strike at Ukraine from the north (for the time being the valiant Khokhloarmia, moreover, will prepare a parade in Sevastopol). In the military-strategic plan, Ukraine is quite vulnerable to Russia.
      4. +10
        5 July 2014 13: 04
        The Ukrainian Army is gaining combat experience and realizing the taste of blood will not stop in New Russia, it will go to the Crimea and then we will no longer have such an ally as the militias.
        1. +2
          5 July 2014 13: 35
          Oops, dill army is cool. With her and without militias in a week they will figure it out to Lviv itself. Do not scare people and do not be scared.
          1. +2
            5 July 2014 13: 56
            Quote: alicante11
            Oops, dill army is cool. With her and without militias in a week they will figure it out to Lviv itself.

            what are they waiting for right now?
            1. -1
              5 July 2014 14: 35
              what are they waiting for right now?


              To make the militias.
              1. 0
                5 July 2014 14: 36
                Quote: alicante11
                To make the militias.


                nuuu

                they
                great
                turns
                1. 0
                  5 July 2014 15: 40
                  nuuu

                  they
                  great
                  turns


                  Dashing trouble began.
                  1. 0
                    5 July 2014 17: 00
                    Quote: alicante11
                    Dashing trouble began.

                    God forbid.
          2. +4
            5 July 2014 13: 59
            Oops, dill army is cool. With her and without militias in a week they will figure it out to Lviv itself. Do not scare people and do not be scared
            Cool is not cool, but not understood. We can quickly break it up, maybe not very, but it will be a war on our territory as well. In any case, at first.
            1. -1
              5 July 2014 14: 36
              Cool is not cool, but not understood. We can quickly break it up, maybe not very, but it will be a war on our territory as well. In any case, at first.


              Ukraine is also our territory, so I don’t see much difference, from the point of view of the human, not legal.
              1. 0
                6 July 2014 02: 31
                Cool, the banderlog minusanul, and the Russians do not care, probably the truth is no longer ours.
        2. +2
          5 July 2014 14: 04
          Quote: shtanko.49
          The Ukrainian Army is gaining combat experience and realizing the taste of blood will not stop in New Russia, it will go to the Crimea and then we will no longer have such an ally as the militias.

          Ukroarmiya gains impudence, anger and punitive zeal, not combat experience, they cannot win in real battles, they avoid them, they prefer to "fight" remotely while the ammunition is being delivered.
          Is it time for the partisans to start a rail and road war behind enemy lines on the outskirts of New Russia?
          1. +2
            5 July 2014 14: 36
            Quote: PENZYAC
            Ukroarmiya gains impudence, anger and punitive zeal, not combat experience, they cannot win in real battles, they avoid them, they prefer to "fight" remotely while the ammunition is being delivered.

            The United States is at war and their influence on the Ukrop Army is traced, and it turns out that the militias oppose NATO control.
        3. 0
          5 July 2014 15: 38
          I believe Poroshenko has not yet lost his mind. It’s one thing to go out on the podium about the return of the Crimea, it’s another thing to attack the territory of the Russian Federation.
        4. 77bob1973
          0
          5 July 2014 17: 24
          What experience, you tell me at least one complete joining of the Khokhloarmia that is equivalent to the Russian employed in the database and gaining experience.
      5. +9
        5 July 2014 13: 04
        Quote: Gagarin
        IF DONBASS IS ALL DROP - THE NEXT WILL BE CRIMEA!

        If there is Crimea, then there will be no Kiev ... Do you have any fun with the people?
        1. +6
          5 July 2014 13: 14
          Well, they are firing at our territory, and that it somehow affected Kiev ??? Or, you think, as soon as they attack us, it will be a completely different matter! Yes, nothing of the kind, they will be pulled up to stabilize some allies like the Poles or who are not sorry there, and they will squeeze out. and Putin will also think about it, well, that there is Crimea, but sanctions and the welfare of the people are more important. Well, let’s not start the third world because of Crimea. And there the oligarchs will catch up, and public opinion will scream.
          1. -1
            5 July 2014 13: 53
            Cool. One flown shell, and another is a full-fledged attack. And any allies? Poles? So on them, along with dill for a week for a brother.
            1. +4
              5 July 2014 13: 58
              Quote: alicante11
              And any allies? Poles? So on them, along with dill for a week for a brother.



              Yes Yes

              little blood, on foreign territory

              somewhere I already heard it
              do not remind?
              1. 0
                5 July 2014 14: 37
                Probably in Berlin in May 45th in the cellars of the Reichstag :).
                1. 0
                  5 July 2014 14: 54
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Probably in Berlin in May 45th in the cellars of the Reichstag :)

                  paying for this with 27 lemons of the population
                  where are we going to retreat now?
                  to Smolensk?
                  Moscow?
                  Ural?

                  and yes, I was very pleased with your smiley at the end
                  1. -1
                    5 July 2014 15: 43
                    paying for this with 27 lemons of the population


                    Well, there's nothing to be done; to fill up such a beast is tin. By the way, the losses are largely due to the destruction of civilians. And the losses of the armies are comparable, and ours is more exclusively due to those who were tortured into captivity. Well, we could even the score, but we are not fascists.

                    where are we going to retreat now?


                    To where it is necessary, to there we will be.

                    and yes, I was very pleased with your smiley at the end


                    I guessed :)?
                    1. +1
                      5 July 2014 16: 09
                      Quote: alicante11
                      Well, there's nothing to be done; to fill up such a beast is tin.

                      the beast is certainly seasoned
                      without a doubt the best army of the time.

                      however, at least a quarter of the losses of the Red Army is June-December 41g
                      and for prisoners, more than 50%

                      how did it all start?
                      here it is - DO NOT RESPOND TO PROVOCATION.
                      Quote: alicante11
                      To where it is necessary, to there we will be.

                      I offer to Kamchatka.
                      foes will just start to catch up with us
                      1. 0
                        6 July 2014 04: 04
                        however, at least a quarter of the losses of the Red Army is June-December 41g
                        and for prisoners, more than 50%


                        And what is this talking about? Answer yourself, or is it detailed for you to answer?

                        how did it all start?
                        here it is - DO NOT RESPOND TO PROVOCATION.


                        Naturally, so as not to look aggressors. This is the first, second, if the army is not mobilized, then at least give in, at least do not give in, the result is one.

                        I offer to Kamchatka.
                        foes will just start to catch up with us


                        Judging by your flag, by this time you will already die in a concentration camp :).
        2. 0
          5 July 2014 14: 08
          Quote: vitvit123
          Quote: Gagarin
          IF DONBASS IS ALL DROP - THE NEXT WILL BE CRIMEA!

          If there is Crimea, then there will be no Kiev ... Do you have any fun with the people?

          Nobody touched Ichkeria until Basayev climbed into Dagestan.
          Aw, Ichkeria, where are you? Silent, the dead do not speak.
          There is a new Chechnya and it is Russian.
          Great-ukram note.
      6. tokin1959
        +5
        5 July 2014 13: 39
        do not bury.
        Shooters will not.
        in Slavyansk he sat and waited for help from the Vova. and did not wait.
        Now he will begin to act.
      7. +2
        5 July 2014 13: 55
        Quote: Gagarin
        I can even prophesy a little:
        IF DONBASS IS ALL DROP - THE NEXT WILL BE CRIMEA!
        Kiev does not even hide it.
        It’s definitely not possible to get out.

        Set fire to everything, and sit out for yourself - dream o, I hope this time will not work.
        Carthage must be destroyed (as the Native American leader said).
        1. -3
          5 July 2014 14: 01
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Carthage must be destroyed (as the Native American leader said).

          But how many combat-ready divisions does this leader have?
          1. 0
            5 July 2014 15: 29
            Are you intentionally or out of ignorance? Indeed, in an interview, he said that all the nations of the world should do it, so consider it!
            1. 0
              5 July 2014 15: 33
              Quote: kartalovkolya
              Are you intentionally or out of ignorance? Indeed, in an interview, he said that all the nations of the world should do it, so consider it!

              Of course, in the meantime, he will continue to sit on the welfare and receive income from the Casino (which are in all reservations)
            2. 0
              5 July 2014 15: 39
              Quote: kartalovkolya
              After all, in an interview he said that all the nations of the world should do it,

              but as ?
              Could you tell ?

              and the question I cited above was asked by I.V. Stalin to a request to include the Vatican in the anti-Hitler coalition (in 44g).

              so who are those "all the nations of the world" who will destroy the Babylonian harlot?
            3. +3
              5 July 2014 16: 44
              Children of war forget nothing, and in 50 years they will remind ...
        2. +1
          5 July 2014 15: 27
          Do not misinterpret the words of the Great Leader, because he said that the United States should be destroyed and this will happen very soon!
      8. -2
        5 July 2014 14: 10
        Quote: Gagarin
        I can even prophesy a little:
        IF DONBASS IS ALL DROP - THE NEXT WILL BE CRIMEA!
        Kiev does not even hide it.
        It’s definitely not possible to get out.

        I don’t think nobody will climb into Crimea. There is no sense, especially now. Why steal hemorrhoids with Crimea
        1. +4
          5 July 2014 14: 19
          Quote: atalef
          Why steal hemorrhoids with Crimea

          but to their owners, why
          1. 0
            5 July 2014 14: 24
            Quote: Rider
            Quote: atalef
            Why steal hemorrhoids with Crimea

            but to their owners, why

            And for what ?
            1. 0
              5 July 2014 14: 35
              Quote: atalef
              And for what ?

              stability island in the ocean 3 world
              they are not the first to get out of the crisis at the expense of millions of dead
              1. -1
                5 July 2014 15: 01
                Quote: Rider
                stability island in the ocean 3 world
                they are not the first to get out of the crisis at the expense of millions of dead

                Can I use a simpler language? More specific, please.
                I think about the island of stability - you are not talking about the Crimea, it is actually a peninsula. hi
                1. 0
                  5 July 2014 15: 18
                  Quote: atalef
                  Can I use a simpler language?

                  difficult is a topic so in a nutshell

                  US scrambled out of Great Depression through WWII
                  from the current - 3rd
                  ignite BV, draw Russia into the war.
                  (but just not with you, so as not to receive nuclear weapons hello)
                  To pull Europe under its control, if it doesn’t work, plunge into the chaos of interethnic conflicts.

                  About the goals of the new "big war"
                  http://oko-planet.su/first/119007-o-celyah-novoy-bolshoy-voyny.html

                  when the whole world is drowned in blood, capitals will sail to America, which will again sit overseas (this is what island was meant) and will skim the cream from the world massacre.

                  A new "economic theory" is replacing monetarism in the United States. The New York Times published an article titled "No Big War - Slows Economic Growth." Dastardly Ki rubbed in the following theses (these are quotes!):
                  http://oko-planet.su/finances/financesnews/245766-nyt-otsutstvie-bolshoy-voyny-z
                  amedlyaet-ekonomic news-rost.html


                  the future awaits us sooooo interesting

                  (by the way, you too)
                  1. -3
                    5 July 2014 15: 45
                    Quote: Rider
                    US scrambled out of Great Depression through WWII
                    from the current - 3rd

                    May God grant Russia to live like the States with its modern great diplomacy
                    Labor market data in the United States impressed investors and professionals. In June, 288 thousand new jobs appeared on the market, while 210-215 thousand were expected. Unemployment fell from 6,3% to 6,1% - the level of September 2008.
                    In almost all sectors of the economy, jobs have been created, the leaders are the sector of professional services, sales, restaurant business, financial and healthcare.
                    The average salary per hour increased in June by 6 cents to $ 24,45 per hour, in just a year the salary increased by 2%.
                    Since the beginning of the year, an average of 231 thousand jobs have appeared every month, 19% more than in 2013. This month, labor market data is particularly interesting amid speculations about a slowdown in the US economy. They clearly indicate the development of a positive trend in the US economy.

                    Quote: Rider
                    To pull Europe under its control, if it doesn’t work, plunge into the chaos of interethnic conflicts.

                    belay , and that it has already escaped and countries simply massively leave NATO?

                    Quote: Rider
                    when the whole world is drowned in blood, capitals will sail to America, which will again sit overseas (this is what island was meant) and will skim the cream from the world massacre.

                    You can be calm - they are already there
                    The United States remains the world leader in investment inflows ($ 159 billion),

                    how much does Russia have this year? less than 20?
                    Quote: Rider
                    the future awaits us sooooo interesting

                    (by the way, you too)

                    regularly read the predictions of various soothsayers, psychics and luminaries of the economy
                    In theory, to this day - no one should have survived. hi and even several times laughing
                    1. +2
                      5 July 2014 16: 29
                      Quote: atalef
                      May God grant Russia to live like the States with its modern great diplomacy

                      is it to have 17 trillions of public debt (and the total in the region of 70)?
                      Quote: atalef
                      and that it has already escaped and countries simply massively leave NATO?

                      It’s not about NATO, but about disconnecting Europe from Russian hydrocarbons and joining shtatovskoy gas from the state.
                      which means the loss of Russian influence in Europe and an even greater increase in US influence
                      Quote: atalef
                      You can be calm - they are already there

                      just so, but hard times are coming for the oil tank.
                      and to keep the financial system as it is now (that is, tied to the United States) and a plan of controlled chaos will be implemented, and in the aftermath of another world war, far from the "island of stability"
                      Quote: atalef
                      The United States remains the world leader in investment inflows ($ 159 billion),

                      how much does Russia have this year? less than 20?

                      you give distorted info all the time
                      thinking that your counterparty is not able to use google
                      I entered your quote about search investment and received:Russia for the first time took third place in the world in terms of foreign investment. In 2013, the inflow of foreign investment in Russia amounted to 94 billion dollars, which is 83 percent more than in 2012.
                      and further In the ranking of the most invested countries, Russia gave way only to the United States, which attracted $ 159 billion from abroad, and China, in which $ 127 billion was invested.
                      http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201401291639-dfq0.htm


                      Imagine what kind of jackpot passes the Fed?
                      and where to get these funds in the case of world overwhelming

                      open your eyes
                      or take off the pink glasses
                      Quote: atalef
                      regularly read the predictions of various soothsayers, psychics and luminaries of the economy
                      In theory, to this day - no one should have survived. and even several times

                      a couple of years ago, in dill, even in a nightmare, no one could have imagined that Natsik would shoot cities from hail in broad daylight.
                      and the president will be a Jew

                      it's only the beginning
            2. wanderer_032
              0
              5 July 2014 14: 47
              Quote: atalef
              And for what ?


              And at least in order to spoil the rest of the "Russians" from the "hamster" class.
              Remember how the Crimean events ended.
              As they rang in every way, that let the "dill" die of envy as the "Russians" will powerfully pull off at the Crimean resorts.
              All these words were not forgotten.
              It was more modest to behave.
              Now think about what will happen if Ukrainian artillery, for example, hits the Crimean beaches and resorts?
              How will all the "hamsters" who have come there to "rest" on evil enemies.
              1. -5
                5 July 2014 15: 05
                Quote: wanderer_032
                And at least in order to spoil the rest of the "Russians" from the "hamster" class.

                Well, Amerov’s cunning plan is to spoil the rest of Russians in Crimea. Russians didn’t go there very much before. nor go now. What would the Russians spoil the rest - they had to arrange hemorrhoids in Egypt and Turkey

                Quote: wanderer_032
                Now think about what will happen if Ukrainian artillery, for example, hits the Crimean beaches and resorts?

                what artillery? belay
                1. wanderer_032
                  +4
                  5 July 2014 15: 48
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, Amerov’s cunning plan is to spoil the rest of Russians in Crimea. Russians didn’t go there very much before. nor go now.


                  From that on all TV channels and they blow that air tickets to Crimea are being bought up with a bang.

                  Quote: atalef
                  what artillery?


                  How is that?
                  The one that is ironing Donbass now.
                  And when he settles, if things continue to go on with the help of the militia of New Russia, then he will take up the Crimea.
                  For your information:
                  MLRS "Hurricane"
                  Caliber, mm 220
                  Number of rails 16
                  Minimum firing range, m 8000 (10)
                  Maximum firing range, m 35 800
                  Area of ​​defeat, m² 426 000
                  MLRS "Smerch"
                  Caliber, mm 300
                  Number of rails 12
                  Minimum firing range, m 20 000
                  Maximum firing range, m 120 000
                  Area of ​​defeat, m² 672 000
                  MLRS "Grad"
                  Caliber, mm 122
                  Number of rails 40
                  Minimum firing range, m OFS: 4000
                  CAS: 2500
                  WAS: 1600
                  Maximum firing range, m OFS: 40
                  CAS: 33
                  UAS: 42
                  Damage area, m² 145[000]
                  Howitzer D-30
                  Rate of fire
                  shots / min: 1 shot per minute (sustained), 7-8 rpm. (max)
                  Sighting range, m: 15300 m
                  Maximum
                  range, m: 22000 m (active-reactive projectile)
                  (TTX quotes are taken from Wikipedia, but they coincide with well-known ones)
                  Or what do you think they have the spirit for this is not enough?
                  After all that they have already done.
                  And PCs and shells will be thrown at them, there are "well-wishers".
                  Let me remind you once again, although not willingly, that the autonomous republic of Crimea is still de jure, have not been recognized at the international level.
                  This is fertile ground for some of our "partners" to inflate from this you can guess what.
              2. -1
                5 July 2014 16: 19
                Quote: wanderer_032
                Now think about what will happen if Ukrainian artillery, for example, hits the Crimean beaches and resorts?

                they first need to bring this artillery there and go through a dig.
            3. 0
              5 July 2014 17: 58
              To hold a military parade in Sevastopol. Unfortunately, Kiev is in power, clearly correlating its true intentions with their implementation.
      9. +4
        5 July 2014 14: 38
        Through Th ukrofil in the Crimea will break through Perekop, Chongar. or scythe? Do they have trained infantry? Do they have cohesive tank units? And howitzers in the bare steppe will be arranged like in the picture? Will this superior rabble have superiority in aviation? You want to say that misunderstandings will go wrong, and other insignificant crap will go to the assault in orderly rows. this is not an army but a gopkompashka. And in the Crimea, a fleet, heavy bombers. Which Crimea? Completeness is not real.
        1. -1
          5 July 2014 15: 07
          Quote: saigon
          Through Th ukrofil in the Crimea will break through Perekop, Chongar. or scythe? Do they have trained infantry? Do they have cohesive tank units? And howitzers in the bare steppe will be arranged like in the picture? Will this superior rabble have superiority in aviation? You want to say that misunderstandings will go wrong, and other insignificant crap will go to the assault in orderly rows. this is not an army but a gopkompashka. And in the Crimea, a fleet, heavy bombers. Which Crimea? Completeness is not real.

          Yes, Crimea does not need Ukraine, or rather, it needs occupied - a great opportunity to present yourself to the world as occupied (ask the Palestinians - this has been working for them for 60 years)
          No one will win back Crimea.
          There is no need, nobody used to need it before - subsidized land - and now even more so.
          1. wanderer_032
            +1
            5 July 2014 15: 56
            Quote: atalef
            No one will win back Crimea.
            There is no need, nobody used to need it before - subsidized land - and now even more so.

            You probably have personal informants in the junta environment?
            Or are you building your version on something real?
          2. 0
            5 July 2014 23: 11
            And you look like a litter (troll - if not in Russian). Rider has nothing to answer, about what am war is needed for.

            Crimea subsidized will remain .... ndass, you are not just a litter, you are just a liar ....
      10. +3
        5 July 2014 14: 38
        Through Th ukrofil in the Crimea will break through Perekop, Chongar. or scythe? Do they have trained infantry? Do they have cohesive tank units? And howitzers in the bare steppe will be arranged like in the picture? Will this superior rabble have superiority in aviation? You want to say that misunderstandings will go wrong, and other insignificant crap will go to the assault in orderly rows. this is not an army but a gopkompashka. And in the Crimea, a fleet, heavy bombers. Which Crimea? Completeness is not real.
        1. +1
          5 July 2014 15: 36
          You are of course right, but they can make a petty "turmoil, but to start a real war with a nuclear power, it would be the height of folly! But have they not seen the reports from the exercises of the Central Military District, when tens of thousands of soldiers with equipment were deployed in 72 hours by more than for 3000 km., and Crimea is nearby and Kiev is not far away. In general, for this national Gadovskoy shobla, even now the aviation of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is enough!
          1. wanderer_032
            0
            5 July 2014 16: 15
            Quote: kartalovkolya
            "They can make a mess, but to start a real war with a nuclear power it would be the height of folly!


            And with impunity to kill thousands of innocent people with the use of MLRS and aviation is not this folly?
            How can you not understand that the war has already begun. It was untied by the hands of the Ukrainians, washing their brains and playing on their desire for independence.
    6. +2
      5 July 2014 12: 58
      Fighting is a sign of maneuverability. It is a pity that without outside help, the militias especially and there is nothing to counter the punitive at the moment.
    7. Gagarin
      +32
      5 July 2014 12: 58
      It will be ridiculous when, after several years of Russian diplomacy struggle to prevent missile defense systems in the Czech Republic and Poland, Russia will receive these bases near Kharkov and on the Rostov border ...
      1. 0
        5 July 2014 12: 59
        And what's so "funny"?
        1. pg4
          +10
          5 July 2014 13: 07
          It's just a shame and betrayal no matter how bitterly admit it.
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      3. -6
        5 July 2014 13: 24
        Quote: Gagarin
        It will be ridiculous when, after several years of Russian diplomacy struggle to prevent missile defense systems in the Czech Republic and Poland, Russia will receive these bases near Kharkov and on the Rostov border ...

        Dear, you would have predicted less not to hit. How do you not understand that the words of thought materialize over time and that what is thoughtlessly said once appears, and then people ask why this happens?
        Follow your thoughts and words.
        1. +1
          5 July 2014 14: 04
          Quote: Irokez
          How do you not understand that the words of thought materialize over time and that thoughtlessly said something appears, and then people ask why this happens?

          ABABLE !!!
          so who turns out to be to blame!
          Yuri under the nickname "Gagarin"

          atu him, atu!
        2. rereture
          0
          5 July 2014 14: 08
          .
          How do you not understand that the words of thought materialize over time and that thoughtlessly said something appears, and then people ask why this happens?


          Unfortunately no. There is even a saying: "No matter how much you say" halva ", your mouth will not become sweeter"
        3. 0
          5 July 2014 14: 44
          Irokez (1) RU Today, 13: 24 ↑

          Quote: Gagarin
          It will be ridiculous when, after several years of Russian diplomacy struggle to prevent missile defense systems in the Czech Republic and Poland, Russia will receive these bases near Kharkov and on the Rostov border ...

          Dear, you would have predicted less not to hit. How do you not understand that the words of thought materialize over time and that what is thoughtlessly said once appears, and then people ask why this happens?
          Follow your thoughts and words.

          We have voiced our thoughts so much about Putin’s ingenious plan (I’m still writing with a capital letter)
          And our subsequent heroic actions regarding the junta
          Well, everything went through in the mind, all figured
          Here are just our thoughts, su.ka, as you have noticed, over time, for some reason they do not materialize
          Rather, materialize, in the opposite direction recourse
        4. 0
          5 July 2014 23: 19
          But thoughts just need to be expressed ...

          And thoughts directed at desires and actions can materialize. Just here the thought is aimed at preventing the appearance of these bases near Kharkov and on the border ... Because any action begins with thought, although you can dig deeper ...
      4. +2
        5 July 2014 14: 14
        Quote: Gagarin
        It will be ridiculous when, after several years of Russian diplomacy struggle to prevent missile defense systems in the Czech Republic and Poland, Russia will receive these bases near Kharkov and on the Rostov border ...

        It would be funny when it were not so sad.
    8. +1
      5 July 2014 13: 01
      Well, actually, I wrote about this when I was afraid of the introduction of martial law after the election. All the same, the militia does not dance against the army. Remember the war in Libya? When, after the successes of Gaddafi’s troops, they were simply crushed by a combined assault. I will not say anything about Russian politics.
      1. PN
        0
        5 July 2014 13: 32
        and it’s right that keep silent about our policy. about the dead either good or ... keep quiet.
      2. +2
        5 July 2014 13: 38
        Zomanus-y
        Do not compare x ... east with your finger angry . The movement of the fronts has not been canceled. And Strelkov with the guys are not corrupt Gaddafi generals.
      3. 0
        5 July 2014 14: 18
        Quote: Zomanus
        Well, actually, I wrote about this when I was afraid of the introduction of martial law after the election. All the same, the militia does not dance against the army. Remember the war in Libya? When, after the successes of Gaddafi’s troops, they were simply crushed by a combined assault. I will not say anything about Russian politics.

        It is not entirely correct to compare with Libya, here "humanitarian" "democratizing" Western bombings, fortunately, are not possible, and the dill does not have much of its own aviation.
    9. +9
      5 July 2014 13: 02
      If Putin is afraid of upsetting the West with the introduction of troops, you can help ours, provide weapons, enter a no-fly zone, shoot Iskander at the accumulation of fascists (double benefit and we will help and the missilemen will conduct training)
      1. +5
        5 July 2014 13: 20
        The giraffe is big, he knows better ...
    10. Ural guys
      +8
      5 July 2014 13: 02
      The most important thing is not to drift. Yes, there are few of them, and you can fight with small forces, but they are obviously afraid of this, otherwise they would not have created filtration camps and carried out lustration.
      I think they specifically want to spread terror, but instead they will only make these people even stronger like granite, like diamond! You take these people figs, they have no where to retreat.
      As for the United States, I would rather not advise them to twitch, it is extremely harmful to the nervous system ...
      1. +8
        5 July 2014 13: 33
        Quote: Ural guys
        The most important thing is not to drift. Yes, there are few of them, and you can fight with small forces, but they are obviously afraid of this, otherwise they would not have created filtration camps and carried out lustration.
        I think they specifically want to spread terror, but instead they will only make these people even stronger like granite, like diamond! You take these people figs, they have no where to retreat.
        As for the United States, I would rather not advise them to twitch, it is extremely harmful to the nervous system ...

        I support. Leaving positions and regrouping is not a defeat. Kramotorsk will strengthen, and Slavyansk has already gone down in history as the Brest Fortress. Shooters with Babai explosive mixture for Dill. And we need to gain time in this confrontation, and most importantly, the militia and equipment have been preserved. Make bets gentlemen - the meeting continues.
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    11. Tartar
      -1
      5 July 2014 13: 03
      If Russia introduces a peacekeeping contingent, dill under the dictation of the United States will attack peacekeepers. Russia will be forced to respond. The United States will call us aggressors and even half the world will force us to push along in the same spirit, so they will find a reason to attack us. And their satellites are drawn into the war. So think about whether each of us is ready to mobilize and go to the front? And think about the national traitors inside Russia (5th column), how will they behave during the war? But there’s no time to think. America needs a war, don’t you understand? They will find any reason to unleash it.
      1. pg4
        +17
        5 July 2014 13: 14
        The United States will call us aggressors and even half the world will force us to push along in the same spirit, so they will find a reason to attack us

        Already attacked one democrat in 2008, so what?

        think about the national traitors inside Russia (5th column), how they will behave during the war

        and how real Russians will behave if Novorossia dies
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      2. +3
        5 July 2014 13: 19
        And, they could just shake a test tube with powder, forever the United States is looking for difficult ways wassat
      3. +11
        5 July 2014 13: 45
        If America needs a war, it will receive it in any situation. No need to be naive. If you want to fight, you will always find a reason too. The more Russia waits, the more it will lose. If we do not want to get involved in the war, we should have lagged behind Ukraine for a long time, close any trade operations with it, and cross borders . But we ourselves began to defend our interests. And as they say, if you got involved in a battle, then the return road is either a complete victory or surrender. So today we must already choose.
      4. +3
        5 July 2014 13: 45
        If America needs a war, it will receive it in any situation. No need to be naive. If you want to fight, you will always find a reason too. The more Russia waits, the more it will lose. If we do not want to get involved in the war, we should have lagged behind Ukraine for a long time, close any trade operations with it, and cross borders . But we ourselves began to defend our interests. And as they say, if you got involved in a battle, then the return road is either a complete victory or surrender. So today we must already choose.
      5. 0
        5 July 2014 14: 07
        This column is already at least the 2nd, if not the first.
      6. +1
        5 July 2014 23: 28
        "If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it will receive both war and shame."
        - these words were said by Winston Churchill

        "But by the way, there is no time to think. America needs a war, how can you not understand? They will find any reason to unleash it." - so you yourself answered that in the end we will get both war and shame.
    12. +6
      5 July 2014 13: 04
      My heart and soul require watering the Natsiks (make Karachun mountain a lake ..) my mind advises digging trenches and stocking with matches with kerosene salt ..) So I think who to believe .. Not a clear connection .. (I like the first option ..)
      1. +5
        5 July 2014 13: 11
        Quote: MIKHAN
        My heart and soul require watering the Natsiks (make Karachun mountain a lake ..)


        This bomb must be dropped on Karachun.


        1. +1
          5 July 2014 14: 28
          Quote: Athenogen
          Quote: MIKHAN
          My heart and soul require watering the Natsiks (make Karachun mountain a lake ..)


          This bomb must be dropped on Karachun.



          And it is even better to get into the Pentagon (CIA, White House) with a "accidentally lost and out of control missile" with such a charge.
      2. +4
        5 July 2014 13: 21
        Quote: MIKHAN
        the mind advises digging trenches and storing matches with salt kerosene ..

        Meehan! hi If you already gathered in the trenches, then stock up better with grenades and cartridges. The light will succumb to you ...
        Quote: MIKHAN
        So I think who to believe ..

        Meehan! Look at your wife with a fresh look and believe your instincts wink .
        1. +2
          5 July 2014 13: 59
          Quote: retired
          Meehan! Look at your wife with a fresh look and believe your instincts.

          laughing good
        2. 0
          5 July 2014 14: 23
          Quote: retired
          Quote: MIKHAN
          the mind advises digging trenches and storing matches with salt kerosene ..

          Meehan! hi If you already gathered in the trenches, then stock up better with grenades and cartridges. The light will succumb to you ...
          Quote: MIKHAN
          So I think who to believe ..

          Meehan! Look at your wife with a fresh look and believe your instincts wink .

          Well you bastards ..! bully
          Here you go..
          the militias call Poroshenko personally to hang the flag of Ukraine, but they warn that they will hang him for war crimes

          Our friend, the militia Dmitry, is still at the frontline in Slavyansk with his comrades, he said that the city is under the full control of the militia and commented on the "delusional" statements of the President of Ukraine:

          “We offer Petro Poroshenko to personally hang the flag ...

          But it is better to flag the DNI and let the clean take with them, the Slavs have a tradition to bury even enemies, but in clean linen. Khazarin the damn. "

          According to approximate data from eyewitnesses and the Ukrainian media, 2 tanks, three KAMAZs, armored personnel carriers and 15 passenger cars with militias drove along the highway from Slavyansk. Later, information was received that they are in Kramatorsk, near the headquarters of the defense.

          At night, there really was the movement of militia groups and equipment for operational necessity. There were battles and the transfer of large detachments.

          Information will be later. At 12:00 Moscow time, Pavel Gubarev said:
          1. +2
            5 July 2014 20: 59
            Quote: MIKHAN
            the militias call Poroshenko personally to hang the flag of Ukraine, but they warn that they will hang him for war crimes

            They had already hung over the City Council, and the judge, according to intelligence reports and sappers, was already in Kramatorsk. Dmitry may be a brave man, but ordinary warriors should hang the flags, not the Supreme High Command. Stalin, by the way, didn’t hang the flags over the Reichstag, but he also ordered to do this (But this does not mean that Poroshenko or Putin are Stalin).
      3. +3
        5 July 2014 13: 22
        "You can only trust me ..." (Mueller)
      4. +1
        5 July 2014 23: 34
        Quote: MIKHAN
        My heart and soul require watering the Natsiks (make Karachun mountain a lake ..)

        two kilometers from the mountain, the suburb of Slavyansk - Sobachevka. I think you are wrong about these dwellings. Sincerely.
    13. +21
      5 July 2014 13: 09
      As the ancient warriors said, "it's better to die while standing than to live on your knees." And to paraphrase it, we can say differently it would be better if Russia fell in the eyes of the freaks of the West than to fall in the eyes of the entire Russian-speaking people who believed in justice. It turns out the lie commands the ball.
      1. 0
        5 July 2014 17: 03
        We are talking about a more successful propaganda of the West. About our failure in the info war. And your resume, Radik, is the water in their mill. Patience and endurance ...
    14. +2
      5 July 2014 13: 10
      From Russvesna http://rusvesna.su/news/1404548750

      On the night and morning of July 5, most Ukrainian media reported that all the militia escaped from Slavyansk to Kramatorsk - a large convoy of equipment and soldiers.
      They referred to representatives of 95 airmobile brigades participating in the environment of Slavyansk.


      "The enemy forces are trying to get out of Slavyansk and will gain a foothold in the city of Kramatorsk."

      “Several columns at once, fight their way to Kramatorsk. The artillery located on Karachun Mountain works on them. ” This shelling was recorded on video.
      In the morning, Petro Poroshenko instructed the Chief of General Staff to raise the Ukrainian flag over Slavyansk, freed from militias. He wrote about this on his Facebook page.


      “I gave the order to the chief of the General Staff to raise the state flag over Slavyansk. The chief of the General Staff of Ukraine Viktor Muzhenko said that militants who fell under mortar fire of the Ukrainian military tried to break out of Slavyansk tonight. As a result, 1 tank, 2 BMPs and 2 BMD fighters were hit. ”

      According to him, intelligence in the Armed Forces and the National Guard of Ukraine is currently working in Slavyansk.

      “For an hour and a half, local residents have been carrying weapons left by militants to our military. This is genuine disarmament, as envisaged by the plan I announced for a peaceful settlement of the situation in the East, ”the president summed up.”

      Our friend, the militia Dmitry, is still at the frontline in Slavyansk with his comrades, he said that the city is under the full control of the militia and commented on the "delusional" statements of the President of Ukraine:



      “We offer Petro Poroshenko to personally hang the flag ...

      But it is better to flag the DNI and let the clean take with them, the Slavs have a tradition to bury even enemies, but in clean linen. Khazarin the damn. "
      1. +2
        5 July 2014 13: 18
        why do you re-post all sorts of fakes from facebook?
        1. +3
          5 July 2014 13: 46
          Quote: Sith Lord
          why do you re-post all sorts of fakes from facebook?

          Just everything on the shelves, who and what said, for the full picture ...
        2. 0
          5 July 2014 14: 24
          Quote: Sith Lord
          why do you re-post all sorts of fakes from facebook?
          Sergey, on Facebook not only Avakov and Poroshenko are noted, but also Gubarev.
          Quote: Russ69
          Just everything on the shelves, who and what said, for the full picture ...
          That's it.
      2. Ural guys
        +3
        5 July 2014 13: 23
        I propose that the flag do not weigh Porashenko, but hang himself on it!
        This is much better. For if we really concentrated our forces on the border, then there will be exclusively fighters of the North. Of the Caucasus. They have a short conversation.
        1. +1
          5 July 2014 13: 42
          Man, I haven’t seen what you wrote about this before.
      3. 0
        5 July 2014 13: 41
        “We offer Petro Poroshenko to personally hang the flag ...
        Better hang yourself on this flag. am
    15. +5
      5 July 2014 13: 11
      The problem of the DPR is that the bulk of the population after the referendum stupidly did not want to defend their independence ... someone continued to work, someone migrated, but no one wanted to fight, even after the Nazis got up ... after all, it is not locals who are generally fighting, and the militia that arrived from other "regions" ... it turns out that this war touched the Russians more than the locals ..
      1. 0
        5 July 2014 13: 35
        Absolutely right. This primarily concerns miners. And when they begin to cut, and rape their wives and daughters, then it will be too late.
        1. tokin1959
          +6
          5 July 2014 13: 42
          what to uphold?
          axes against tanks?
          but VO wrote a lot - how the militia fights.
        2. +3
          5 July 2014 13: 58
          Idiocy above the roof! Believe UkrSMI, or on their side? Strelkov, more than once, gave an answer to all the talkers that 80-90% of the militias are citizens of Ukraine.
          What more do you need? Well, go, increase the percentage.
      2. +1
        5 July 2014 14: 36
        Quote: vorchyn_ymka
        The problem of the DPR is that the bulk of the population after the referendum stupidly did not want to defend their independence ... someone continued to work, someone migrated, but no one wanted to fight, even after the Nazis got up ... after all, it is not locals who are generally fighting, and the militia that arrived from other "regions" ... it turns out that this war touched the Russians more than the locals ..

        It’s not yours, Strelkov himself said that if previously the local made up 90% of his troops, now the share of the local has reached 95%. Do not believe ukro-media.
    16. +3
      5 July 2014 13: 13
      These are the things .. (heart bleeds ..) And the inhabitants ..?
      Pavel Gubarev:

      Igor Ivanovich Strelkov decided to leave Slavyansk. This was done at night. Militia losses are minimal. In an organized and united manner, the forces of the militia left in the direction of Kramatorsk, then the redeployment will continue, apparently to Horlivka and Donetsk. This is how we gain time while the Ukrainians relocate their personnel and artillery crews (Ukrainians "fight" mainly by shelling at peaceful cities). This time can be effectively used to complete the process of uniting the militia forces, centralizing them under one-man command, improving the quality of communications and communications of troops, and increasing the supply of troops, primarily with heavy weapons (artillery and armored vehicles).

      Kutuzov also departed, and this was the plan. In general, the Russian depart only before the decisive victorious battle.

      Now we need to strengthen the humanitarian support of the Donbass. More than yesterday there were more refugees on the border with Russia than last month.
    17. Sava
      +8
      5 July 2014 13: 14
      Unfortunately, if the Ukrainian militia is not helped now, American nationalists will prevail. This is the beginning of the end.
      1. 0
        5 July 2014 14: 40
        Quote: Sava
        Unfortunately, if the Ukrainian militia is not helped now, American nationalists will prevail. This is the beginning of the end.

        The US attack on Ukraine 22.02.14 by the forces of its hires is the beginning of the end of the USA, although they still do not understand this.
        As the Native American leader said, Carthage must be destroyed.
    18. Drunya
      +1
      5 July 2014 13: 17
      radio (walkie-talkie) - southeast
      http://anti-maidan.com/?p=streams&sid=lerss
    19. +2
      5 July 2014 13: 18
      05.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX Message from Pavel Gubarev

      “Igor Ivanovich Strelkov decided to leave Slavyansk. This was done at night. artillery calculations (Ukrainians "fight" mainly by shelling at peaceful cities.) This time can be effectively used to complete the process of uniting militia forces, centralizing them under a one-man command, to improve the quality of communications and communications of troops, to increase the supply of troops, primarily with heavy weapons (artillery and armored vehicles).
      Kutuzov also departed, and this was the plan. In general, the Russian depart only before the decisive victorious battle.
      Now we need to strengthen the humanitarian support of Donbass. Refugees on the border with Russia for yesterday passed more than the entire last month. "
      1. 0
        5 July 2014 21: 02
        Once again, this unfortunate governor is promoting himself. What is he going to do for a decisive victorious battle with the 250 tanks he saw in his dream?
    20. +8
      5 July 2014 13: 18
      I saw one pattern in the comments. In the forefront are the highest ranking officials, but the comments themselves are from the category "Give ....!" Is this a kind of gambling addiction, who is cooler? As in the army, the most adequate middle level.
      Minus the gentlemen officers.
      1. +3
        5 July 2014 14: 05
        Quote: Avis24
        I saw one pattern in the comments. In the forefront are the highest ranking officials, but the comments themselves are from the category "Give ....!" Is this a kind of gambling addiction, who is cooler? As in the army, the most adequate middle level.
        Minus the gentlemen officers.

        Based on this pattern, many of their shoulder straps have made throwing in populist slogans. For all the marshals and generals (I also belong to them), the words of Grigor Yavlinsky: - "I divide the word populism in two." Don't forget that there are stupid generals and smart fighters.
      2. 0
        5 July 2014 14: 47
        Quote: Avis24
        I saw one pattern in the comments. In the forefront are the highest ranking officials, but the comments themselves are from the category "Give ....!" Is this a kind of gambling addiction, who is cooler? As in the army, the most adequate middle level.
        Minus the gentlemen officers.

        Get a plus from the General, Sergeant.
    21. +17
      5 July 2014 13: 18
      "We turned the Earth back from the border - it was the case, at first .....

      Strelkov took the guys out of Slavyansk. That he would do this became clear yesterday from his assessment of the situation ... I did the right thing, as long as there is land behind me, people are more expensive. I hope you won't have to make a start from the “Ural”, there will be borders to the west.
      And I ask you to stop gossiping about the "cunning plan". Bonaparte we are couch ...
      The time will come, and we will wet ... but for now .... bad for now ....
      1. MSA
        MSA
        +4
        5 July 2014 13: 28
        I agree, Moscow was also once left to win the war, not the battle. Khokhlov is not difficult to defeat, but we need a victory not over them ...
    22. +3
      5 July 2014 13: 19
      The Petty Moscow Movement-Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced the suspension of the transfer of weapons from the Crimean reserves to Kiev. (How many Orthodox lives had to be put before it came)
      1. 0
        5 July 2014 13: 44
        It is not known what and in what state they transmitted.
      2. +1
        5 July 2014 14: 54
        Quote: AIR-ZNAK
        The Petty Moscow Movement-Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced the suspension of the transfer of weapons from the Crimean reserves to Kiev. (How many Orthodox lives had to be put before it came)

        It was necessary to stop immediately after Odessa and the first volleys in Slavyansk.
    23. +2
      5 July 2014 13: 20
      Quote: Gagarin
      When will we finally see the Cunning PUTIN PLAN !?
      ... Yanukovych's "cunning plan" once we have already passed ...

      That's why he is cunning, so that you would never see him. When the feds immediately captured Grozny, everyone was waiting for them to see Dudayev’s cunning plan. The tricky plan was that you can quickly take everything, but at the same time be afraid of everything and lose the war.
    24. +7
      5 July 2014 13: 20
      I think that if in the coming days Putin does not send troops and does not drop ukrov, then all responsibility for the cut-off population of the South-East will fall on him, because it was he who gave guarantees of assistance to Russia, it was he who was believed ... It is disgusting at heart and filthy (((((
      1. 0
        5 July 2014 14: 35
        Link to the studio, where Putin directly guarantees the entry of troops. And then in all sources known to me, there is nothing of the kind.
        And responsibility will firstly fall on the Khokhlofashists who have committed a coup and unleashed hostilities with their people; secondly, on the fucking ... in those who do not listen to anyone, and do what the left heel wants, if someone does not understand, then I’m talking about a referendum, in particular the 23 of the year sat on the priest exactly, but here they could not wait another six months; and thirdly, the responsibility will be on you and you like hysterics, squealing on every corner, Putin leaked, and demanding the introduction of troops to Ukraine.
        Really, I’m just tired of reading tantrums when discussing the news feed. For some reason, it seems to me that Putin is being informed about the information collected not on the basis of the media, but more verified and truthful information, on the basis of which certain decisions are made, and this information is classified as secret. So, there are fewer tantrums, no one will ever give us the full information on what is happening in Ukraine, and media owners order news, news to achieve their goals. One of these goals is the internal destabilization of society within Russia, by which you can do the same thing that our sworn friends did in Ukraine. Personally, I do not want such a fate for my homeland, we already have enough of the frantic 90's and the bloody 00's. As for Donetsk and Lugansk, work in this direction is underway, whether according to Putin’s cunning plan or I don’t know yet, but the work is ongoing, help is being provided.
      2. 0
        5 July 2014 14: 57
        Quote: jgthfnjh
        I think that if in the coming days Putin does not send troops and does not drop ukrov, then all responsibility for the cut-off population of the South-East will fall on him, because it was he who gave guarantees of assistance to Russia, it was he who was believed ... It is disgusting at heart and filthy (((((

        Not necessarily troops at once, they are needed to liberate Kiev, it would be enough in the American way, "pinpoint" air strikes on the positions of artillery and armored vehicles of dill.
    25. +7
      5 July 2014 13: 20
      Quote: Russ69
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      What do not talk about tactics and strategy, but leaving Slavyansk is a shock. Everyone thought that they dug in well and there will be a mini-Terrible, where even in a mini-amu

      What a formidable, than to fight? Strelkov recently said that out of 20 RPG-18, none worked. To arrange a mini-Terrible, you need the appropriate weapons in the required quantity. And Grozny took place not so much from the genius of the militants, but from the stupidity of our command. Dill, on the other hand, has good advisers, and they won’t do such stupidity; you don’t need to consider them fools.


      That's right! The experience of military operations in Chechnya showed a weak level of interaction between the SV, Air Force, border guards and the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in solving joint combat missions. If, very polite to express! But there isn’t even here!
      1. 0
        5 July 2014 13: 27
        Dear, do not mix the first and second CV.
    26. +5
      5 July 2014 13: 21
      And what, the EU and US sanctions were still effective despite all the show-offs and all the bravado ?????
      1. 0
        5 July 2014 15: 05
        Quote: jgthfnjh
        And what, the EU and US sanctions were still effective despite all the show-offs and all the bravado ?????

        The 6th column in the Russian Federation (the 5th is weak, marginalized and demoralized after the "swamp") is too strong and tenacious, as it turned out, unfortunately.
        1. -1
          5 July 2014 15: 22
          Quote: PENZYAC
          The 6th column in the Russian Federation (the 5th is weak, marginalized and demoralized after the "swamp") is too strong and tenacious, as it turned out, unfortunately.

          Ie there are so many problems. what to explain them all. the presence of only one 5th column is no longer possible.
          They came up with the 6th. good
    27. +3
      5 July 2014 13: 22
      Such a comparison would be appropriate: America is grandfathers, Europe is scoops, Russia and Ukraine are perfumes. At the same time, Ukraine fell under this system, and Russia resists. Accordingly, the scoops, with the support of their grandfathers, set Ukraine on Russia, while they terrified Russia if it responded. In this situation, inaction is the worst option, or not?
      1. +1
        5 July 2014 14: 12
        Quote: Jarilo
        America is grandfathers, Europe is scoops, Russia and Ukraine are perfumes.

        I do not think so. Even in the army there were grandfathers, but of different groups (well, such as at the place of conscription or nationality), and therefore Russia is also grandfathers, but in an overwhelming minority, and the spirits are just set against this minority, and scoops where the wind blows there and are substituted (Geyropa )
      2. 0
        5 July 2014 15: 01
        Quote: Jarilo
        Such a comparison would be appropriate: America is grandfathers, Europe is scoops, Russia and Ukraine are perfumes. At the same time, Ukraine fell under this system, and Russia resists. Accordingly, the scoops, with the support of their grandfathers, set Ukraine on Russia, while they terrified Russia if it responded. In this situation, inaction is the worst option, or not?

        Here - or pan, or gone.
    28. +5
      5 July 2014 13: 23
      Hey up there, moderator, what's up? They asked me not to swear, I fulfilled the request! What are you doing? All that plus, turn into a minus, and vice versa! It’s not good to do such a thing!
    29. Fuse
      0
      5 July 2014 13: 24
      This is what the junta media outlet Novosti Donbassa writes. I quote:
      "Ukrainian troops have not yet entered Slavyansk. Local separatists remain at the checkpoints. They are being persuaded to surrender without a fight."

      Such are the cases.
    30. MSA
      MSA
      +2
      5 July 2014 13: 26
      From airports you need to kick! Or jam everything that flies in and out !!!
    31. Vtel
      +5
      5 July 2014 13: 27
      When Russian people die in Novorossia, our Duma-government liberals arrange gambling zones and poker rooms for themselves and go on a "well-deserved" vacation, because they are Russians, not Russians.
    32. rus77
      +42
      5 July 2014 13: 28
      with open spaces
      1. Ural guys
        -6
        5 July 2014 14: 04
        This, of course, is true, and your indignation is clear to me, but judge for yourself, but now we can send in troops, what's next?
        There, these dill have been fighting for more than 6 months, they formally have already learned to survive in these conditions. If our people go there, and the "conscripts" go first, we will automatically receive Argun of the 2000 model. There are really few non-fired specialists in the troops, i.e. will have to announce mobilization. After the announcement of which the economy can be safely forgotten.
        Since now only 1 year has been serving in the army, only two conscripts are among conscripts this autumn 2013 and spring 2014, which has only just ended.
        What the autumn people could get in 9 months is another question. I think only theory, now they have practice. Vesenniki do not even know how to slaughter weapons even normally.
        Therefore, the main reason for not sending troops to Ukraine is personnel.
        But on the other hand, time works against us.
        In the network, in particular, there was information about the possible collection of ukrami "RS-18". I don’t know yet whether it will be mine-based or land-based. But at one time when Russia transferred them to the balance of nuclear weapons mines were there, how long is the question.
        As for the nature of the war, it gradually begins to look like a Second World War.
        And moreover, if we talk about the concentrated number of troops on the border, then formally the United States has so far managed to divert our attention from the eastern borders, while Japan has adopted amendments to its Constitution and, instead of self-defense forces, has the right to create armed forces and participate in various actions under NATO leadership.
        1. rereture
          +3
          5 July 2014 14: 10
          And we have contractors for a look?

          What makes you think that you need to send conscripts? Do we have a world war?
          Do our special warriors in Chechnya have no experience? Every day from there news about the destroyed militants.

          Conscripts - mob reserve. And so the contract soldiers are enough for the eyes.
        2. 0
          5 July 2014 14: 14
          Sammurai decided to once again demonstrate "the world's shortest war with the Russians," only now with an invitation to us on their territory.
        3. 0
          6 July 2014 00: 03
          And from the Urals, are you ...

          What are these "more than 6 months" - explain ?!

          And what kind of nuclear weapons did Russia pass to dill? - nuka-nuka tell us? !!!
    33. Fuse
      +5
      5 July 2014 13: 33
      Unknown partisans at night on July 5 fired at a technical observation point on the coast of the Azov Sea. This was reported by the press service of the State Defense Service of Ukraine. About 15 partisans reportedly used mortars and small arms. "As a result of the shelling, 1 border guard was killed, 8 were injured. The building of the facility was destroyed, the APM-90 searchlight and the UAZ service car were destroyed," the department said.
      1. +4
        5 July 2014 13: 53
        Yes, they are Azov poachers! fish with border guards not divided wink
    34. pahom54
      +23
      5 July 2014 13: 34
      Something I, as a Russian and a Russian citizen, feel obos.r.a.nym from head to toe ... It's a shame, Mlyn ... Some mothers in my head ...
      And then they stayed in the city, count, kamikaze ... Apparently, the men were already tired of everything, they decided to fight to the last ... Only the song comes to mind: "Our proud Varyag does not surrender to the enemy!" ...
      1. -4
        5 July 2014 16: 35
        Dry yourself and change diapers, but rather wash yourself, if you feel like this, it can help.
    35. +11
      5 July 2014 13: 35
      Re-grouping. Association of the armed forces, followed by the offensive. The input of the Russian peacekeeping forces. I hope so.
    36. +21
      5 July 2014 13: 36
      Shooters well done that got out of the boiler. In stationary defense he had no chance. A column of 200 units. This is how many people? Thousands of three to four. The brigade, however. Surprisingly, neither artillery nor aviation could stop the convoy. Neither shoot nor fly dill can, which pleases. And no intelligence, overslept. But when will there be a unification of forces and a single command in Novorossiya?
      Here you are all on the forum - help, help, carry weapons ... And where to carry it? To whom to transfer? Personally.
      I'm modeling. The D-30 battery, with ammunition in trucks, is absolutely necessary for the militia to enter the territory of New Russia. WITHOUT calculations and commanders, only equipment and ammunition. And wanders between villages and parts of the militia. Guys, take it. Normally organized, such a battery will suppress all dill at a distance of 10 km at a time. And where to get the calculations, commanders, fire control devices, maps, finally?
      So they fight light infantry.
      1. gog27
        +1
        5 July 2014 13: 48
        Shooters and co. Of course they fight absolutely right, but the inhabitants of Slavyansk ...
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZsPFsx70K0
      2. +2
        5 July 2014 15: 04
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Shooters well done that got out of the boiler. In stationary defense he had no chance.

        the fact that he left the cauldron means that there is nowhere more to do.
        he no longer waits for the Russian Armed Forces, and at least means of anti-aircraft equipment.
        the experience of Grozny and Stalingrad shows that with a large garrison saturated with ammunition, Slavyansk can be defended for an arbitrarily long time.

        either with grenade launchers tight or with fighters strained
        (rather both)

        here you are
      3. -2
        5 July 2014 15: 25
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Shooters well done that got out of the boiler

        Well, where did you get in?
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Surprisingly, neither artillery nor aviation could stop the convoy. Neither shoot nor fly dill can, which pleases.

        Sure . just why then did the Strelkov with the whole brigade leave Slavyansk?
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        But when will there be a unification of forces and a single command in Novorossiya?

        Never. nor have done this before, will not be now
    37. +5
      5 July 2014 13: 36
      Sputnik & Pogrom 05.07.14/12/51. XNUMX:XNUMX. Message from the militia.
      "Slavyansk is currently under the control of the militia. Let Poroshenko personally hang the dog flag of Ukraine in the hero city, unless, of course, he himself is hung up by the people for war crimes."
    38. kelevra
      +2
      5 July 2014 13: 40
      Nothing, this is not the end, just a regrouping. The tactical withdrawal of the army, this is not flight, as the fagot Avakov stated!
    39. +1
      5 July 2014 13: 42
      no need to panic, everything will be decided before the July 7, this is the point of the year 2014
      1. wanderer_032
        0
        5 July 2014 13: 48
        Quote: v245721
        no need to panic, everything will be decided before July 7, this is point h.

        What did you decide?
      2. wanderer
        0
        5 July 2014 13: 49