Ukraine: Putin's hunt has begun

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Ukraine: Putin's hunt has begun


In the next letter from "Alex" from Kiev everything is interesting. And, in my opinion, a number of details put into place a lot of what happened literally recently. Some things, alas, confirm what was said earlier. I hope our people in Slavyansk and Donetsk will also be interested to look at the situation from the “other side”. The letter, of course, with some reductions and corrections.

"... I understand that now all the attention is drawn to Slavyansk and the fate of Strelka, and my message seems to lie outside the current mainstream, however, maybe my information will be useful for you to understand the completeness of the current situation. As I assumed in the previous letter, these days were the most bloody in the war. Unfortunately, Gunpowder is not going to stop. The following information was received from different people and I will give it in the form of conclusions.

Poroshenko. As I kept saying all the time, Gunpowder was going to fight to the last soldier. He needs a military victory, otherwise, it seems, in the fall, he will simply be swept away. Moreover, he began to implement his election plan, which I described in the previous message.

Now they are breaking up the deputies for the adoption of a new electoral legislation, in accordance with which elections are held according to open party lists. The corresponding bill is already ready. Therefore, the deadline at Gunpowder in order to crush the uprising - until August, in fact, he went for broke.

Now it becomes clear and his personnel policy. If Yanukovych reigned, not rules, and preferred to spend time hunting or in his own Mezhyhirya, Gunpowder fits in everything personally and controls them. The posts are not placed grandee, and performers, whose main task - to perform accurately and in time all instructions Gunpowder.

At the same time, with the latest personnel changes, Gunpowder crushed all the financial flows associated with the security forces. By the way, the resumption of hostilities was an unpleasant surprise for the Europeans, the ministry was very hard in explaining with the Germans and the French. Only Payette was calm as an elephant and didn’t react at all to the “consultations” with representatives of the DNR and the LC.

The fact that “counseling” is a divorce is clear from one fact. If you remember, a lot of noise was caused by the news that the Donbass is protesting the AP against extending the truce. Everyone bought and started shouting that Donbass, in which case Gunpowder would be blown away. So, yesterday, when Gunpowder spoke at BP, the order around it was ensured by the very Donbass that was supposed to sweep it away. Rumor has it that Gunpowder took on full support of this very "Donbass", which will become his personal guard. Such is the protection against the Kolomoisky thugs. The conclusion is simple - Gunpowder does not trust the official power structures.

Tymoshenko. This person is not one of those who so easily give up. She has already recovered and is sitting in wait. Speaking about the situation in the country and Gunpowder, she spoke briefly: “Let's let him crap.”

Its goal is still simple - not to give elections in October, but to delay them until the spring of next year, and even then, given the disastrous situation in the social sphere, to return at least to parliament, and at the most, to become president in the next special elections. The goal has not changed - the presidency. In fact, it is now beneficial for her that Gunpowder could not crush the uprising, then she will begin to carry out her plan in the autumn. From this point of view, her interest in “consultations” with the DPR and LPR becomes clear.

"Consultations". There is no reliable information about the last “consultations”. It is known that Kuchma was needed there only for the entourage, all the negotiations were led by Medvedchuk.

What kind of person, I will not describe, anyone can google. I can only say that all the political projects for which Medvedchuk undertook failed miserably. His most epic failure is, of course, the Orange Revolution. For some reason everyone is convinced that this “revolution” is the work of Americans, but few know that Medvedchuk and Kuchma played a smaller, if not greater, role in it.

The purpose of this whole action was - Kuchma's third term. In short, Yanukovych and Yushchenko should have discredited each other, brought the situation to a standstill, as a result new presidential elections were called, without the participation of these clowns, at which Kuchma was supposed to run. But amers quickly cut through the situation and turned it around.

So, knowing what type of trying to cling to the DNI and LC, I am very afraid for their fate. Another frame participated in the "consultations" - Shufrich. And here it is much more interesting. Despite the fact that he is a former lover of Tymoshenko, Shufrich kept with her the warmest and most friendly relations. So, Yulia knows everything that Shufrich knows, consider that Yulia Vladimirovna herself was present at the “consultations” with the DPR and LPR. The fact that she uses the information obtained in their own interests, I have no doubt.

There was a lot of screaming on the net about whether Russia helps the DPR and LPR with armored vehicles or not. [Here is an explanation of where my interlocutor got the information, and I am forced to make a lacuna so as not to "light up" anyone inadvertently] Quantity tanks among militias (DNI and LNR) - in the region of 20 pieces, all of which were either repulsed or bought from ukrovoyannye. Even if Russia had supplied hundreds of tanks to the militias, they would not have been able to use them simply as a result of the lack of crews for them. According to my interlocutor, the militia’s tanks do not care about the ukramiya, since they cannot use them in large quantities, and single tanks will be quickly destroyed if they enter into any protracted battle.

On aviation the situation is, of course, deplorable. There aren’t any experienced pilots, now they’re “flying” with a dozen or two replenishment, but this story not fast Actually flying on a dozen attack aircraft. In short - there are planes, no pilots. There are no aviation militias, no airfields suitable for use by military aviation.

On the fate of the DNI and LC

Europe in no way will allow the existence of the DNI and the LC. She does not need another Transnistria. But, if Transnistria can still be tolerated with its 300 000 population, the unrecognized states in the center of Europe with a population of 7 million are not needed by Europeans, since ignoring their existence as Transnistria is simply impossible.

About Putin and Crimea

Crimea is Putin’s biggest mistake, the hook on which he planted himself. If at first the Europeans were confused, then after a miscalculation of the situation, they believe that, using the Crimea question, they will be able to drop Putin's rating. The plan is simple in general terms - by using economic and diplomatic methods to make Putin surrender to the DPR and the LPR, which, according to their calculations, should drop his rating, and then start the pressure, is much more serious about the Crimean issue.

At the first stage, we are not even talking about the return of the Crimea, it is about the possibility of forcing Putin to negotiate with Ukraine regarding the "settlement of the Crimean question." According to the calculations of Europeans, the very fact of the start of such negotiations will finish off Putin's rating.

In the West, there is a consensus on Putin. It was believed that after the Crimea, it was impossible to deal with him, and it was decided to dump him in any way - at least with the help of Moscow’s Maidan, at least in the form of physical elimination. Moreover, the West is now considering options for two “Maidans” - a certain new Bolotnaya, or “patriotic Maidan”, which, according to their calculations, is possible in case of the delivery of the DPR and the LPR and the start of “consultations in the Crimea”. The West is confident that he has enough opportunities to intercept the control of the “patriotic Maidan”.
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  1. +28
    6 July 2014 07: 58
    Gunpowder was about to fight until the last soldier. He needs a military victory, otherwise, it seems, in the fall, he will simply be swept away.

    So it is .. The Slav massacre is a cruel and merciless target, he is a Jew ... Well, it's not yet evening!
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    2. +29
      6 July 2014 08: 15
      And if Europe and America miscalculated, and the plan would be different? The Crimean version was not included in the plans of the “friends of Russia.” But the attempts of the Maidan in Russia will continue, and this is where the people will support.
      1. +26
        6 July 2014 08: 42
        The USA has already begun to counteract with the EU, look at how the French and German banks impose tribute to the Fed, they caught a new spy in Germany! Actually, everything is not so clear, as the author says! Conjecture without facts!
        1. +8
          6 July 2014 13: 00
          Rumor has it that Gunpowder took on full support this very Donbass, which will become his personal guard. Such is the protection against Kolomoisky’s thugs. The conclusion is simple - Gunpowder does not trust the official power structures.

          The President of Ukraine is not guarded by Ukrainian special services. Poroshenko does not trust the SBU, and therefore is guarded by the British PMC. Petro Poroshenko is surrounded by fellows with Belgian P90 assault rifles, from the private British military company AEGIS DEFENSE SERVICES. I jumped already.
          1. +4
            6 July 2014 13: 35
            Rumor has it that Gunpowder took on full support this very Donbass, which will become his personal guard. Such is the protection against Kolomoisky’s thugs.

            I don't think so; The correspondence of Yulia Tymoshenko's lawyer Sergei Vlasenko with the "German surgeon" Olga Wieber and the commander of the "Donbass" battalion Semyon Semenchenko appeared on social networks. It deals with the sale of organs of killed and wounded soldiers of the Ukrainian army. novorus.info/news/interesno/24743-advokat-timoshenko-pod-shumok-torguet-o ...
            Even if Semenchenko succeeds in getting out, it is unlikely that the president will guard him, most likely get rid of him, all the more there is a reason.
            1. +3
              6 July 2014 20: 37
              Quote: bumerang.
              novorus.info/news/interesno/24743-advokat-timoshenko-pod-shumok-torguet-o ...



              the link is broken, but if it’s true, then it’s necessary to bring further confusion, to quarrel the EU with the amers, so that they scored on all the recommendations from Washington.
          2. +1
            6 July 2014 13: 35
            Rumor has it that Gunpowder took on full support this very Donbass, which will become his personal guard. Such is the protection against Kolomoisky’s thugs.

            I don't think so; The correspondence of Yulia Tymoshenko's lawyer Sergei Vlasenko with the "German surgeon" Olga Wieber and the commander of the "Donbass" battalion Semyon Semenchenko appeared on social networks. It deals with the sale of organs of killed and wounded soldiers of the Ukrainian army. novorus.info/news/interesno/24743-advokat-timoshenko-pod-shumok-torguet-o ...
            Even if Semenchenko succeeds in getting out, it is unlikely that the president will guard him, most likely get rid of him, all the more there is a reason.
          3. +5
            6 July 2014 18: 39
            Anatoly, this is not a guard - this is a convoy. Suddenly, he kicks or blurs something off the boss topic. bully
      2. Foxtrot
        +18
        6 July 2014 10: 37
        Everything is much simpler - Putin is a patriot of Russia and this explains everything. People are unaccustomed to such terms and are looking for monetary or political (read monetary) benefits in everything.
      3. nikbor
        +4
        6 July 2014 11: 04
        Pro-Ukrainian article - provocateur
        1. -5
          6 July 2014 15: 05
          nikbor
          Pro-Ukrainian article - provocateur


          El Murid - a pro-Ukrainian provocateur ?! winked
          MORE stupidity ...

          Indeed, it is hardly possible to blame him for his great love for Putin. But call him a pro-Ukrainian provocateur winked ... well, drink the nikbor poison
          1. +11
            6 July 2014 15: 52
            Across the Crimea, Anatoly Murid is defeatist nonsense. According to Murid, so take a shovel and dig a hole. And Putin is not a woman to love him. There is geopolitics where bet is life.
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            2. -8
              6 July 2014 19: 04
              Murid only informs that the first shock after the capture of Crimea from the West has passed. The West saw new opportunities in the new situation. Obviously, there are already plans. Are we ready for this?
              He believes that in the Crimea there were serious mistakes. Do you disagree? So where are your arguments? Or do you only have blah blah ...?
              ... pour a bucket of slop on any dissent - some kind of strange patriotism.
      4. +32
        6 July 2014 11: 31
        Quote: Moment
        And if Europe and America miscalculated, and the plan will be different? The Crimean version was not included in the plans of "friends of Russia

        With Crimea, yes. They did not expect, so the topic is about a hook for Putin-crap. In reality, Vova could have finished everything beautifully in April, having introduced troops at the request of the legitimate president and swept away the junta. There were all the possibilities for this, and the whole plan of pen-dos in this version flew. At the same time, the introduction of troops could be formalized not as an occupation, but as a restoration of order and legality in Ukraine. A hoarse horror from the west would certainly be, but at the 08.08.08 level. They would shout and calm down.
        The main question today is why Putin did not? The fact that he was going to do this is a fact. His statements to the press conference in the Crimea were unambiguous and did not imply a double interpretation. But then something happened. Something that made Putin sharply change his position and act as a weak one. Today we are suffering the destruction of the Russian-speaking population. They are drenched from hail, howitzers, they are burned with phosphorus, they are bombed. And we only protest. In South Ossetia, we entered tanks and cleaned rodents in 5 days. And today we are sitting on the priest exactly. Moreover. They are already firing at our territory, but we do not even respond to fire. Tomorrow a company of banderlogs will drop into our village somewhere in the Rostov Region, shoot a peaceful man and leave — will we still write protest notes in the Foreign Ministry?
        Something happened in late April or early May. It was from this moment that Putin’s rhetoric and his actions changed dramatically. Someone really holds it on a hook, but this hook is not Crimea, as the author of the article writes, and not possible sanctions, as the media scare. There is something else. To know that ... What scared Vova so much?
        1. 573385
          -44
          6 July 2014 11: 52
          Type in "Search" "40 billion Putin" - "... and you will understand everything, you will see everything there ...."
          1. +24
            6 July 2014 11: 58
            If these 40 mld actually existed, then the West took advantage of this lever 5-6 years ago. Vova would not go to the presidential election, he simply would not allow him. And Russia would not have an independent foreign policy. There would be no South Ossetia, there would be no help from Syria. Crap these your 40 lards. There is no money involved. Putin, all of Russia belongs. I exaggerate of course, but making money for the rest of my life as president is not difficult. Even legal schemes exist. No, this is different crap.
            1. +4
              6 July 2014 13: 01
              I also think it is similar. Ukraine is Ukraine, but the answer, in my opinion, lies in the Middle East. Syria, Iraq, Iran. And, of course, South Stream. that something is stopping Putin and very much.
            2. +8
              6 July 2014 13: 32
              Quote: tungus
              These are your 40 lards.

              He warned the oligarchs after Cyprus (three years ago) - Withdraw money from offshore companies. Soon they will be taken from you. And it was broadcast on TV. I don’t know how disinterested, but I certainly don’t think of him as an idiot.
          2. 0
            6 July 2014 23: 38
            but where did you even get this amount?
        2. +5
          6 July 2014 12: 21
          As they say, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! In general, if you think soundly, you will come to the same conclusion as in tungusa. Something or someone really scared our ruling elite so much that it, the elite, is ready to endure a decline in ratings, and anger of Russians, and ridicule of opponents. A decrease in the rating is fatal for any high-ranking bureaucrats - a thinking electorate does not forgive such things as betrayal, but after such tragic disasters as the drain of the LPR and DPR, they, the top officials, hope that they will return the people's trust. Sanctions ... who will they affect? SIMPLE inhabitants of Russia? So even without sanctions, life in the regions is not sugar, no work, no prospects, almost one hopelessness. Then what stops the mighty Russia, which has a modern army and is offended by the words about a regional power? It is difficult to understand in this orgy, every day on TV blood and tears, refugees, etc. You involuntarily remember the words of the hero of the film "The battalions are asking for fire" - SO WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR?
          1. +1
            7 July 2014 00: 09
            That's right - blood and tears on TV. If there was "putinslil" - this would not be shown by any channel. But we are waiting for something and my meager mind does not understand this matter. All some complicated, clever explanations. I understand that no one could really calculate the "samurai". I’ll go and pull fifty drops, otherwise it’s somehow dreary in my soul.
            1. -1
              7 July 2014 00: 26
              Quote: kot stepan
              That's right - blood and tears on TV. If there was "putinslil" - this would not be shown by any channel.

              Did not leaked? Dill in the near future will cut the road Donek-Lugansk, in the region of Debaltseve. The forces liberated under Slovyansk will be thrown to block the border. And answer, how long will Lugansk and Donetsk hold out under siege? A month or two and all.
              Then the GDP will intelligently tell that the junta will answer to the people of Ukraine. The State Duma will release the next volume of the White Book. Kurginyan, will talk at all talk shows that if they listened to him, then New Russia would have won. In six months, everything will start to be safely forgotten, and in another year we will see an enchanting meeting between VVP and Parashka, with a shake of hands and a smile from ear to ear, with a bunch of cameras ...
        3. +3
          6 July 2014 12: 36
          What scared Vova?

          So the article clearly says "political and economic pressure", the result of which was the seizure of Russian capital and isolation, although not complete, but painful for our kakistocracy. Only fools think that Vova is omnipotent, his "omnipotence" is based on the consensus of the "elites". As soon as this consensus begins to creep apart, the king becomes naked.
          1. +6
            6 July 2014 13: 17
            The arrest of Russian capital will immediately entail the arrest of foreign capital in Russia. Our external debt is higher than our gold reserves, so the situation with the arrest is in our favor. Plus, the energy and resource blockade of Europe. And all the "elite" have already transferred their money to Hong Kong. And I'm not even talking about the economic blow to the west from the loss of our market and the blow to the dollar, which is already shaking.
            So, there is no economic pressure. In the sense that you understand it. All depend on each other and will not make sudden movements.
            1. +3
              6 July 2014 13: 50
              You do not even understand that you are writing gold reserves and the capital of the "elites", these are two big differences, but you do not know whether you have translated it or not, and whether you want to translate, this is the point. wink The energy blockade of geyrops, this minus gas and oil revenues, minus jobs, minus social welfare, plus increased tension in the country. The economic blow is mutual, you yourself write and besides the economy there is politics, they can sacrifice the economy, the question is who will collapse first and then it will be torn apart. What a hit on the dollar? When instability occurs, capitals run to the dollar, while there is no other way.
              The tale of our media that "Everyone depends on each other and will not make sudden movements." no need to repeat, you do not know the reality, but SE pays with lives and Putin is silent, this is reality.
              1. +5
                6 July 2014 16: 28
                Again. Elites withdrew capital from Europe. Immediately after Cyprus. And the most intelligent and those who were in the subject well or in a clip-TO Cyprus.
                About gold reserves. Gold reserves are mainly treasuries, and we cannot influence the return of these funds. But. Russia's external debt is higher than gold reserves. The bulk of external debt is company debt. That is, the debts of those very elites. And if Europe blocks Russian assets, including gold reserves, then the elites simply will not pay debts. And they will still remain in profit. Of course, in this case they will owe the Russian Federation, but then they’ll somehow agree.
                About the economic blow. Now we are being blackmailed by sanctions. Including the fact that our energy carriers will not buy. But firstly, there is China, India, Japan, Korea. Secondly, there is nothing to replace our energy carriers. At all. The Saudis will not help. So we can also blackmail us by stopping the sale of gas and oil to Europe. Will it be bad for us? Of course. But Europe will be shitty. The situation is stalemate. It follows that Europe will not refuse to cooperate with Russia, and there is no reason for Putin to be afraid of European sanctions.
                About the dollar. Capital runs from the stock markets into it, because there is nowhere else to run. There are simply no resources. There is no gold in the metal. Only in papers. The situation is the same with oil. The number of futures in circulation is ten times greater than the amount of the real product. Hence the conclusion, dollars are orders of magnitude more than real assets. This is the dollar and destroy it. Already destroys.
                And one more conclusion: there is no real reason for the discharge of New Russia. There is no reason not to send troops. But Putin is afraid of something. What?
                1. 0
                  6 July 2014 22: 26
                  In addition to the option "afraid", there is also - "waiting".
                  But the waiting time seems to be coming to an end - Novorossiya without Russia will not last until the end of July.
          2. +2
            6 July 2014 18: 29
            Exactly a month ago, a lecture by Igor Berkut became available on the Internet, naming and explaining the key points of the new people's government, which are not only important for success, but also vital for the new republics.

            Then, a month ago, Igor Berkut warned that if in the near future the leaders of Novorossia did not move from the rhetoric of revolutionary romanticism to practical, urgent and strong steps to create statehood, namely:

            - a regular army with centralized control and police,
            - controlled by the republics (!) financial flows,
            - own Republican Media Space (Radio, TV, Newspapers)

            then a tragedy awaits the Novorossiya region: the European “world” and the state machine of the Kiev junta, in fact, have co-organized and will be ready for a simultaneous and full-scale punitive operation in the near future.

            You can familiarize yourself with the full options of the analytical calculation here: this video is available on our website for more than a month
            :http://www.svarogday.com/berkut-igor-donbass-formula-uspexa/
      5. +1
        6 July 2014 12: 42
        Quote: Moment
        and here is whom the people will support.

        What kind of people?
        Everything will depend on how many supporters are recruited by the warring parties in the capital and, perhaps, in the nearest district.
    3. +5
      6 July 2014 10: 17
      "POWDER got together .... "The author has something with eyesight - it's just a SNEAKERS with a PUMPERS in one bottle, a foul-smelling mucus and declare this something with a loud word ...
      1. predator.3
        +4
        6 July 2014 10: 56
        Quote: baskoy

        baskoy


        Today, 10: 17

        ↑ ↓ New


        "GUNPOWDER is going ...."

        And then "GUNPOWDER" He has a cool Surname "PARASHENKO"! good
        1. +5
          6 July 2014 12: 37
          Quote: predator.3
          And then "GUNPOWDER" He has a cool Surname "PARASHENKO"!

          And who told you this?

          The real name of Petro Poroshenko is Valtsman. Poroshenko - the name of the mother of the oligarch, also Jewish.
          Poroshenko is a godfather of Yushchenko. Yushchenko became the godfather of two daughters of Poroshenko.
          In 2009, Poroshenko bought from Yushchenko the title of Hero of Ukraine for his father, one of the first speculators in the USSR.
          Alexey Valtsman (father of Petro Poroshenko) was born on June 11, 1936 in the village of Safyany, Izmail District, Odessa Region, into a family of small Jewish merchants.
          In 1956, Alexey Valtsman married Evgenia Sergeyevna Poroshenko and at the same time changed his surname from Valtsman to Poroshenko.
          In 1974, he took up the post of director of the Bender Research Experimental Repair Plant in the Moldavian SSR, where he became one of the first workshop workers in the USSR.
          Nothing prevented the conscience of Aleksey Poroshenko from taking out two coils of enameled cable in the amount of 204 rubles from his native enterprise. 16 kopecks., Buy at a low price 64 liters of stolen rectified spirit for a total of 1629 rubles. 48 kopecks, dilute it with water and open a small business selling alcoholic surrogate.
          November 29, 1985 Aleksey Poroshenko was detained by the Bender City Department of the Interior for the theft of material assets on an especially large scale; an arrest warrant was issued on December 2, 1985.
          The next six months of the pre-trial investigation, Aleksey Poroshenko sat in the detention center of Bender. On July 20, 1986 Aleksey Poroshenko was convicted by the verdict of the Criminal Cases Board of the Supreme Court of the Moldavian SSR under Articles 155-1, 123, part 2, 220, part 2, 227 part 1 of the Criminal Code of the MSSR to 5 years of imprisonment with the sentence being served in correctional general labor colony, confiscation of property and deprivation of the right to occupy leadership positions for a term of 5 years (criminal case No. 2-121 / 86).
      2. predator.3
        +1
        6 July 2014 10: 56
        Quote: baskoy

        baskoy


        Today, 10: 17

        ↑ ↓ New


        "GUNPOWDER is going ...."

        And then "GUNPOWDER" He has a cool Surname "PARASHENKO"! good
    4. +1
      6 July 2014 10: 48
      MIKHAN: Gunpowder was about to fight to the last soldier.
      This is the United States and Russia will fight until the last Ukrainian ...
    5. +3
      6 July 2014 13: 04
      Article-gum. Between the terms "Hero" and "Dick", the same difference as "gunpowder" (something explosive, flammable) and "pig" (piglet, baby pig. (Farrowing - the birth of little pigs). Porossenko-sacrificial pig, which will be dig our earth with a snout, trying to delay his sacrifice.
    6. +1
      6 July 2014 13: 04
      West ears from a dead donkey.
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    8. sds
      sds
      +1
      6 July 2014 20: 48
      Meehan, can I also be a Jew, and cho? Slavs, neighbors in the hostel, I destroy at night and drink their blood?
    9. sds
      sds
      0
      6 July 2014 20: 56
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Gunpowder was about to fight until the last soldier. He needs a military victory, otherwise, it seems, in the fall, he will simply be swept away.

      So it is .. The Slav massacre is a cruel and merciless target, he is a Jew ... Well, it's not yet evening!

      One of the minuses I put. I read your comments, like the Nazis do not like, but all the same. Maybe I am also not a Slav, so what? Do Slavic neighbors in the hostel drink blood at night?
  2. +17
    6 July 2014 08: 00
    America - Sodom with Gomorrah,
    But more corrupted hundreds of times.
    Confuses ass naked
    Not only Paradise, but even Hell!
    I could not stand the perversion of the flesh
    Lord, casting a glance at the earth.
    Doom the harlot to torment
    Cooking Angels squad!
    1. +34
      6 July 2014 08: 16
      I also want to..!
      1. +45
        6 July 2014 08: 38
        Something like this!!!!
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I also want to..!
        1. Foxtrot
          +22
          6 July 2014 10: 42
          And sho then object ... It is a pity that on my comments from Simferopol admin sculpts ukroflag.
          1. +5
            6 July 2014 11: 02
            Quote: Fokstrot
            It is a pity that in my comments from Simferopol admin sculpts ukroflag.

            It's cool, they also give you pluses for this. The admin cannot sculpt you anything, your aypi depends on your provider. Glory to Ukraine lol
          2. +2
            6 July 2014 12: 01
            And on mine from Transnistria also puts the flag of Moldova, although I ask the USSR.
            1. +1
              6 July 2014 14: 44
              Quote: Slavich
              And on mine from Transnistria also puts the flag of Moldova, although I ask the USSR.

              And I see the flag of the USSR!
              1. 0
                6 July 2014 19: 19
                When he wrote was Moldavian.
          3. +3
            6 July 2014 12: 15
            Do not be shy about the flag, nationality. It's not about them, but about your beliefs.
          4. 0
            6 July 2014 13: 19
            Go to your office and correct the data
      2. +1
        6 July 2014 14: 35
        Recently I read a cool analysis of why the USSR fell apart. The collapse went in many directions: economic, political and moral destruction. If someone else thinks that socialism has fallen itself - READ !!! Sorry. Long, but worth it.
        The essence of the proposed MPE method (the method of increasing labor efficiency) consisted in dividing any collective activity into planned and superplanned. Planned activity is to carry out a certain amount of work on time. For planned activities, the employee receives a monthly or weekly salary, the amount of which depends on his qualifications and length of service in the specialty. Part of the salary is issued in the form of quarterly and annual bonuses, which ensures the interest of employees in fulfilling the plan (if the plan is not fulfilled, the entire team loses the bonus). The management usually has the opportunity to vary the amount of the bonus, encouraging the hardworking and punishing the negligent, but this has little effect on the effectiveness of the team. Throughout the world, employees are exclusively engaged in planned activities. But in this case, the employee does not have the opportunity to show his abilities. Only occasionally can a smart boss accidentally notice these abilities and promote an employee up the ranks. But more often than not, going beyond a specific work plan is not encouraged, but punished.
        The genius of the MPE developers was that they were able to regulate the concept of superplanned work for most types of collective activity and to develop a system of material and moral incentives deprived of subjectivity for this work. MPE allowed each employee to realize his creative potential (from each according to his abilities), receive appropriate remuneration (to each according to his work) and, in general, feel like a person, respected person. Other members of the collective also received their share of remuneration, which excluded the envy and labor conflicts that were characteristic of the Stakhanov movement.
        My career began in the fall of 1958, when, being a 4th year student at the Leningrad Electrotechnical Institute, I began working part-time as a technician at the OKB-590 experimental design bureau of the Ministry of Aviation Industry. By this time, the MPE had already been eliminated, but the excellent moral climate in the collective of the organization, which was formed thanks to the MPE, remained until the early 60s. The topic of MPE quite often arose during informal communication with colleagues who had been working in the Design Bureau since the 40s, and ended with the traditional resume - "what a bald bastard" (meaning NS Khrushchev).
        1. +1
          6 July 2014 14: 36
          My father, who in the post-war period was engaged in the design and construction of highways, and during the war years was the commander of a sapper battalion and, in particular, in the winter of 1942, created the famous Leningrad "road of life", also told me about the MPE. In 1962, a casual fellow traveler on the Leningrad-Moscow train told me about how the MPE was used in universities and research institutes.
          All the work of design organizations was carried out by order of the relevant ministries. In the task that accompanied the order, the planned indicators of both the project and the projected object were indicated. These indicators were: the terms of the project, the cost of the project (without payroll), the cost of the project, as well as the main technical characteristics of the object. At the same time, the assignment included a bonus scale for exceeding planned targets. For shortening the design time, reducing the cost of the project or design object, improving the most important parameters of the object, specific values ​​of the premium in rubles were indicated. Each order had a premium fund exclusively for extra-scheduled work in the amount of 2% of the project cost. The unspent money of this fund after the completion of the project was returned to the Customer. For some critical orders, cars, apartments, and government awards, which also were not always in demand, could be included in the premium scale.
          For each project, the management of the organization appointed a leader, usually not holding an administrative position. The project manager recruited a temporary team to carry out the project from the staff of one or more departments of the organization with the consent of the leaders of these departments. Sometimes, the staff of other organizations participating in the project could also be included in this team. The project manager appointed one of the team members as his deputy. In the process of working on the project, the manager could exclude any member from the team. Each member of the team, regardless of their position, initially received 1 point, characterizing the share of his participation in the work on the project. The leader received an additional 5 points, and his deputy - 3. In the process, the leader could add from one to three points to any project participant, depending on the contribution to the project. This was done openly with an explanation of the reasons for the whole team. Rationalization proposals providing over-planned indicators of the project were evaluated at 3 points, and applications for inventions - at 5 points. The authors divided these points among themselves by mutual agreement. By the time the project was completed, each participant knew the amount of bonuses due to him, depending on the number of points scored and the total amount of the superplan award for the project in accordance with the bonus scales known to all. The amount of the award was finally approved at a meeting of the state commission implementing the project, and literally the next day, all project participants received the money due to them.
          1. 0
            6 July 2014 14: 39
            In order for the MPE to start working in the industry, an original approach was used. The planned indicators of enterprises annually included an item on reducing the cost of production by a certain number of percent due to the improvement of technology. To stimulate this work, a special bonus fund was created, similar to the two percent fund of design organizations. And then the same scheme was applied. Temporary teams were created with the same points, whose task was to reduce the cost of certain products. At the same time, the members of these collectives also performed the main work. The results were summed up at the end of the year and bonuses were paid at the same time. The enterprise was given the right for at least a year to sell products with a lower cost at the old price and from this money to form an over-planned bonus fund. As a result, labor productivity in the USSR in those years grew faster than in any other country. The effectiveness of the use of MBE at industrial enterprises is illustrated by the following table, which shows how the cost of weapons produced during the war decreased, when, it would seem, there were no opportunities to improve technological processes in addition to intense production (data taken from the book by A.B. Martirosyan " 200 myths about Stalin ").
            1. 0
              6 July 2014 14: 41
              The main feature of the MPE was that when it was used, not only did the creative activity of a large number of people increase and talents were revealed, but the psychology of all members of the team, as well as relationships in the team, changed. Any member of the team was aware of its importance for the overall process and was willing to carry out any part of the work, even if this work did not correspond to its status. Mutual friendliness, the desire to help each other were completely typical features. In fact, each member of the team considered himself a person, not a cog of a complex mechanism. Changed and the relationship of bosses with subordinates. Instead of orders and instructions, the chief sought to explain to each subordinate what role in the common business is the work that is entrusted to him. With the formation of collectives and the formation of a new psychology, material incentives themselves faded into the background and were no longer the main driving force. I believe that the developers of the MPE were counting on just such an effect.
              Although I came to OKB-590 in 1958 3 years after the abolition of the MPE, the moral climate in the team remained for a long time even in the absence of external incentives. A characteristic feature of the laboratory where I worked was a complete lack of subordination and friendly relations between all employees. Everyone addressed each other by name, including the head of the laboratory. This was facilitated by a small difference in the age of laboratory employees, the oldest of whom was less than 35 years old. People worked with great enthusiasm simply because it was interesting to work. The working day lasted from 9 am to 10-11 pm, and on a purely voluntary basis and without any additional payment. But no one controlled the time of arrival and departure of employees. For mild diseases, it was not necessary to draw up a sick leave. It was enough to call the head of the laboratory and inform about the reasons for not appearing at work.
              1. +1
                6 July 2014 14: 47
                They say that all genius should be simple. The MPE was a prime example of such ingenious simplicity. Temporary teams, points that objectively determine the labor participation of each employee in the work of the team and a relatively small bonus fund - this is the whole essence of the IPE. And what was the effect! Perhaps, the main result of the MBE should be considered the transformation of a large number of ordinary people into bright creative individuals who are able to make independent decisions. It is thanks to these people that the country continued to develop even after the abolition of the IPE until the beginning of the 60s. And then their abilities turned out to be unclaimed in the stifling atmosphere that had developed by that time, the main motto of which was “keep your head down”.
                IPE was destroyed deliberately. And here it is not a mistake, but a deliberate crime without a statute of limitations.
  3. Stypor23
    +40
    6 July 2014 08: 01
    Weakly right, the prophecy comes true
    1. +15
      6 July 2014 08: 10
      Quote: Stypor23
      Weakly right, the prophecy comes true

      Valentine, all our trouble is that we don’t teach history, we don’t draw conclusions! And here is the war! Thanks to the topic! hi
      1. Stypor23
        +8
        6 July 2014 08: 23
        Quote: Nikoha.2010
        rather, we do not draw conclusions!

        Absolutely correct remark, Sergey. When I was in grade 7, my history teacher said that studying a subject in a textbook will not work, more additional literature and reading newspapers, watching TV (news, analytical programs, documentaries) and using the Internet correctly communicating with competent people will draw a much more correct picture of being drinks
        1. nvv
          nvv
          +4
          6 July 2014 09: 01
          Do you want to throw a trick, rate it.
          1. Stypor23
            +5
            6 July 2014 09: 23
            Well, I’ll tell you so, in any symbolism, including architecture, you can find a lot of hidden subtexts. I’ll download the video to the archive. And by the way, I will also throw it into thought.
            Open a new document in Word, type Q33 NYC (this is the ill-fated plane's flight number from the latest events in the USA), select, make the font larger (say 72), and change the font to Windings.
            1. nvv
              nvv
              +2
              6 July 2014 09: 30
              Well, you loaded the old man, I’m not a boom in this business. And I print with one finger.
              1. Stypor23
                +1
                6 July 2014 09: 35
                Quote: nvv
                print with one finger

                You just had to select the word and paste it into the word, it is not necessary to print it.hi
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            2. Chatlanin
              +1
              6 July 2014 09: 56
              never mind a joke
            3. +1
              6 July 2014 11: 41
              Quote: Stypor23
              change the font to Windings.

              XVMSymbol Also not bad
              1. Stypor23
                0
                6 July 2014 11: 49
                Quote: KonstantM
                XVMSymbol Also not bad

                I really did not understand, but also not bad.
            4. +2
              6 July 2014 15: 04
              Wonderful "flight number of the aircraft ramming one of the twin towers." If you type these characters in the Wingdings font, our eyes will open a short comic book that briefly retells the events of September 11th.
              Some people still admire the “fatal coincidence” and are not aware that the combination “Q33 NYC” is not just not a flight number, but has approximately the same relation to the flight numbering system as, say, the telephone numbers of the Skolkovo telephone center or postal codes of the Russian Post, and the chances of meeting a plane with the number "Q33 NYC" are equal to the chances of dialing this number on a disk telephone. In reality, flights are numbered as follows: “VA 123”, where “VA” is the airline code (in the example of British Airlines), and 123 is the flight number. For charters, four-digit flight numbering of the type “BA 1234” is used. Although some particularly hardened anonymous authors claim that this is not the flight number, but the registration number of one of the aircraft. Even despite the fact that all 4 aircraft were American and had a registration number of format N (alphanumeric characters)
              About Q33 NYC - this is an old, and absolutely fake, button accordion.
              The side numbers of the aircraft killed in the incident of September 11.09.2001, XNUMX, were as follows (in brackets the flight number):
              N644AA (#AA 077), N334AA (#AA 011), N591UA (#UA 093), N612UA (#UA 175)
            5. +1
              7 July 2014 10: 34
              Quote: Stypor23
              Q33 NYC

              Old bike there wasn’t such a flight there. The numbers from the numbers of hijacked flights: 11, 175, 77, 99. Those. even the number 33 was not there. Captured the planes of two airlines: American Airlines and United Airlines, their codes: AA, AAL and UA, UAL. Those. there couldn’t be such letters either.
          2. Heccrbq04
            -4
            6 July 2014 11: 15
            Do you want me to tinker with you? The shooter shooter Jilin started guarding the corporation Marshall Capital until January 14, Boroday is the main PR man there. Each one makes his own conclusions ...
            1. Stypor23
              +1
              6 July 2014 12: 01
              We don’t know the whole truth, but Strelkov came to Donbass FROM RUSSIA and protects people, and the occupiers are sitting in Kiev AND EVEN NOT rock the boat, go to New Russia themselves., They make sure that the militia’s bullet or knife will cut off their precious life. That's all the conclusions.
            2. nvv
              nvv
              +1
              6 July 2014 12: 22
              Quote: Heccrbq04
              Do you want me to tinker with you? The shooter shooter Jilin started guarding the corporation Marshall Capital until January 14, Boroday is the main PR man there. Each one makes his own conclusions ...

              I am also a retired goat drummer. So what?
          3. 0
            7 July 2014 06: 23
            So what? The Pobeda cinema in Novosibirsk, together with NIIVT, forms a hammer and sickle in plan. So what? Does the emanation of communist ideas come from there? Let them build at least in the form of the world's best child, if only the roof was with walls!
    2. The Art of War
      +3
      6 July 2014 13: 34
      There is something to think about their historical roots!
  4. +14
    6 July 2014 08: 04
    I can understand why Putin doesn’t bring in troops, I can understand a lot if I think about it ... but I don’t understand ever why there wasn’t our answer after the shots at Rostov !!! The border is sacred, give slack once and Lithuania will bomb us with one half !!! request
  5. +9
    6 July 2014 08: 04
    I think that on this resource it will be more politically correct to call him Poros, well, not really Gunpowder. Site administration, where are you looking?
    1. +8
      6 July 2014 08: 07
      PARASHA, here is all the political correctness which he deserves !!!
      1. +3
        6 July 2014 08: 16
        radish, he wrote before me ... fifty times to scribble "gunpowder", so that they would remember .., although all forums have long been soiled .., ...
  6. +8
    6 July 2014 08: 11
    An interesting alignment. In Crimea, you can talk, yes. Just as we speak with the Yap in the Kuril Islands. On the subject of the DNI and LC I HZ. But taking into account the diving economy, Ukraine in any case will have an unsweetened life. According to Strelkov and his militias, too, not everything is clear. If they again stand on the defensive and allow themselves to be surrounded, this is one thing. If raids on the enemy’s rear with the destruction of important objects begin, this is different.
    1. +6
      6 July 2014 08: 27
      Quote: Zomanus
      If raids on the enemy’s rear with the destruction of important objects begin, this is different.

      These are not Rivne forests. An open-air raid very quickly stops.
  7. +6
    6 July 2014 08: 13
    Well, then let's go beat the Moscow Maidan and beat the entire 5-column!
  8. +21
    6 July 2014 08: 18
    Whatever mistakes Putin made, but to spread rot now, at the moment, is a balm for the soul of the West and dill. They only need this.
    1. pahom54
      +12
      6 July 2014 09: 48
      for sever 56
      Totally agree with you. Now Putin needs the support of the people more than ever, and we are part of it. And no matter how the anti-Putinists would say, however, in this situation, to be against Putin is actually to be against the future of Russia. Say what you like, but after Gorbach-Yeltsin, Putin is the best option, and not the fact that if Prokhorov or Zyuganov comes to power (the opposite, by the way), Russia will become better. I doubt it ...
      1. -8
        6 July 2014 10: 00
        Yes, he does not need popular support, he put a bolt on it, as well as on the Russians in Ukraine, whom he promised to protect. The tragedy is that they believed him. We are here talking to ourselves, on forums, in blozhiks, does anyone besides us care about this? No. On television, we do not "rip off" the "covers", we do not organize meetings and processions. I am not calling for them. Because to turn Russia into a second Ukraine can only be desired by the "almost also a European" who is completely addicted to haloperidol. But when the situation is resolved - naturally, by humiliation of Russia, economic sanctions and NATO bases in "friendly" Ukraine, will it not be necessary to repeat the lessons of 1917? And then some fat bugs obviously did not learn a lesson in history.
        1. +2
          6 July 2014 13: 56
          Nick is not good and the thoughts are the same
      2. +4
        6 July 2014 11: 29
        Groin, thank you for understanding me. After all, now to start a showdown in Russia is like fighting in your own house when your neighbor's house is on fire. As a result, your house will burn down. There is no need to give reasons for rejoicing to the West, dill and, especially, our "fifth column". With respect. hi
  9. +1
    6 July 2014 08: 19
    for Crimea, nonsense .., xs, like the east, the GDP did not promise help initially, and the peninsula was always ours, for it will shoot everyone’s knees ...
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 10: 10
      xs, as the east, GDP did not promise help initially


      He promised.

      1. +5
        6 July 2014 10: 31
        It is necessary to marry him, otherwise the memory of the girl after the divorce has become.
      2. +4
        6 July 2014 11: 03
        Well, where is the promise? He said - reserve the right to use the means to protect people. Where is it about the introduction of troops or the bombing of Kiev? Everyone sees what he wants to see and convinces himself of this. By the way, all means are both diplomatic and humanitarian.
  10. 0
    6 July 2014 08: 25
    "... At the first stage, we are not even talking about the return of Crimea, we are talking about the possibility of forcing Putin to negotiate with Ukraine on the" settlement of the Crimean issue. "According to the calculations of the Europeans, the very fact of starting such negotiations will finish off Putin's rating."

    Well, just yesterday, I wrote about this in the comments, while there was a discussion of military operations in Crimea
  11. +8
    6 July 2014 08: 28
    In Crimea, of course, they will press hard, with all their might. At the moment, the West is simply tied hands (and languages) with the problem of New Russia. We can say that this is a splinter in the body.
    But the fact that they can’t see Crimea, do not even go to my grandmother. But Putin is still in power. If a pro-Western politician comes to power in strange ways, this will not be so obvious. Let us recall Medvedev during the events in South Ossetia: he pulled everything, mumbled inexpressibly, and consulted. So far, Putin has not urgently intervened from China at the Olympics.
    1. +7
      6 July 2014 08: 42
      that Mlyn iPhone, and social networks .. what kind of Ossetia is there ....
    2. +1
      6 July 2014 11: 34
      You're right. Medvedev is not a person who makes responsible political decisions.
  12. +10
    6 July 2014 08: 29
    I do not believe! © Stanislavsky
    In particular, I don’t believe the idea of ​​holding a swamp maidan in Moscow - they won’t get so many liberalists, and you won’t make them ride, just imagine a galloping Novodvorskaya! Yes, and other ideas, too.
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 10: 34
      After Donbass and Donetsk, a normal person kicks any "belolentochnik" and hangs them on ribbons.
    2. 0
      6 July 2014 11: 10
      There are no liberasts, but hooray patriots easily, Americans have learned how to control a crowd of gentlemen, and with what slogans meat goes to a rally - glory to Chubais or Putin leaked - it’s absolutely unimportant. Attempts at the patriotic Maidan will surely be, and unfortunately its participants will be, like in Kuev, good but stupid and gullible people. Read komenty for recent days and you will see our version maydanutyh.
  13. 0
    6 July 2014 08: 37
    Independence Square, or Bolotnaya in Russia - to hell with radish, and the DPR, LPR or Novorossia - will win freedom and their statehood, it means to be on the world map, just like Kosovo and others, and the geyropa will stomp and swallow ....
    1. -1
      6 July 2014 10: 39
      win freedom and their statehood, it means to be it on the world map
      So! Absolutely in the hole! Sitting and hoping for help is easier than picking up a weapon yourself. And go protect your home, your loved ones soldier
  14. +2
    6 July 2014 08: 38
    we’ll fight to the last, hold on to Putin to share a common boat of death like that, show a civil position that is, unite, organize, arm yourself to fight swamps in Russia, do not rely only on silly structures, this is a challenge to the Russian world and we will only win together! Well, if God nevertheless, he will turn his back on us and destroy the West with a preemptive nuclear strike, our task as a people is to stop evil on earth even at the cost of life, I believe in it!
  15. +1
    6 July 2014 08: 42
    Nonsense! So far, all events are developing according to the American scenario, written by the lady who came up with the idea that "she spent her entire youth on a Russian" fishing "(in her opinion, of course, a" pirate ") ship" and therefore knows how to bake pies and swear in Russian. Where it actually came from, we, apparently, will never know. But her scenario excludes any political struggle in Ukraine. Only the occupation regime is and will be there. While.
  16. +1
    6 July 2014 08: 43
    To the point ... What are we minus? Or do not understand what is happening or just so stupid? To a point, the author writes, to a point ....
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    2. 0
      6 July 2014 10: 13
      At the first stage, we are not even talking about the return of the Crimea, it is about the possibility of forcing Putin to negotiate with Ukraine regarding the "settlement of the Crimean question." According to the calculations of Europeans, the very fact of the start of such negotiations will finish off Putin's rating.

      Dear Victor! Explain to me bluntly what does "settlement of the Crimean issue mean?" Crimea is a part of the Russian Federation, what can be discussed here? How to make it part of Ukraine again? Will we sign the papers and op-pa Crimeans, Ukrainians?
      Or we don’t understand what’s going on

      Of course, some Alex, you and El Murid understand what’s going on - everyone else is not given.
  17. +5
    6 July 2014 08: 45
    Quote: Santor
    To the point ... What are we minus? Or do not understand what is happening or just so stupid? To a point, the author writes, to a point ....

    Well, not everyone is smart, excuse me ...
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 10: 08
      I support, plus article, the author outlined one of the scenarios. You gentlemen forget that ANY action can be used in different directions and someone's victory can turn into a defeat, and vice versa. It all depends on the planners of these actions and the resources used.
  18. +4
    6 July 2014 08: 45
    What tells me that these steps have been calculated in the Kremlin, I think 91g will not happen again, so that the GDP will do everything to disrupt their plans, while he succeeded, I’m also sure that the reciprocal moves have been calculated. We will see what happens next!
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 08: 54
      we must not look, we must be preparing!
  19. +1
    6 July 2014 08: 50
    Quote: Nikoha.2010
    Quote: Stypor23
    Weakly right, the prophecy comes true

    Valentine, all our trouble is that we don’t teach history, we don’t draw conclusions! And here is the war! Thanks to the topic! hi

    our distinguishing feature is rake dancing ...
    1. Stypor23
      0
      6 July 2014 08: 56
      Quote: severniy
      rake dance ...

      I think here, more analogy with a minefield.
  20. tikhonov
    +7
    6 July 2014 08: 51
    The operation to return the Crimea was carried out flawlessly - on time and bloodlessly! In my opinion, the mistake is different - it was necessary to send troops to protect the Russian-speaking population (both Russians, and Ukrainians, and people of other nationalities) before the election. After all, it was clear that the position of illegitimate authorities after the election would only strengthen. The West also recognized the power seizure of power and, moreover, recognizes the election of its protege. In Potroshenko, the USA and Europe were not mistaken. He just needs to suppress the resistance, and for this they will kill people and destroy the cities ... This is also done so that, with the possible deployment of troops, Russia will spend huge sums on rebuilding the infrastructure. All that was needed was a statement that the troops were introduced to protect the Russian-speaking population and that this was our sphere of influence. Now, having entered the troops and protecting the people, we will restore the destroyed for several years ... To give up today is to jeopardize the future of Russia.
    1. +6
      6 July 2014 10: 43
      In my opinion, the mistake is different - it was necessary to send troops to protect the Russian-speaking population (both Russians, and Ukrainians, and people of other nationalities) before the election.
      You can argue. Crimea - wanted to go to Russia. Southeast - no. This is the fundamental difference. If briefly
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      2. +2
        6 July 2014 11: 17
        You can’t argue. In Crimea, first of all, there was a government that wanted to go to Russia. In the South-East (3 times more population than in Crimea), there is still no INTELLIGENT power - confusion and vacillation. And most importantly, there are no "polite people".
      3. sds
        sds
        0
        6 July 2014 11: 57
        So what? It's time to unlearn someone to ask.
  21. tokin1959
    +2
    6 July 2014 08: 52
    Moreover, the West is now considering options for two “Maidan” - a certain new Bolotnaya, or “patriotic Maidan”, which according to their calculations is possible in case of the surrender of the DPR and LPR and the start of “consultations on the Crimea”. The West is confident that it will have enough opportunities to seize control of the "patriotic Maidan"


    everything is possible, but if the patriotic Maidan begins, it is unlikely that the West will be able to control it.
    personalities like Strelkov’s west cannot be bought; they simply cannot be sold.
    and whatever Maidan would happen, Vova somehow needs to turn to the people - at least to answer for his words. and that was said a lot, but the real - there is nothing, and is silent.
    as if nothing was happening.
    1. +1
      6 July 2014 12: 52
      Unfortunately, people like Strelkov will not be allowed to go there, but there will be talking heads like Fedorov. Now, by analogy with the three eccentrics (egg-boxer, boxer and Nazi), then real creatures of big players will come out because of them. There are no serious patriotic organizations, all these are groups of people up to 100 people, without resources, not possessing technologies and with a bunch of intruders inside.
  22. -1
    6 July 2014 08: 53
    look at those who fight in Iraq on the side of the terrorists, America wants Maidan in Russia, who will do it? The idea is clear!? Arm-organize-unite! Fortunately, the law does not forbid!
  23. +2
    6 July 2014 08: 54
    The author outlined his nonsense and glitches. In vain read, only spent time.
    1. +1
      6 July 2014 09: 02
      unequivocally correctly said ... smile
  24. +2
    6 July 2014 08: 56
    The article makes a strange impression - there is a lot of ponto in front of us, stupid and uninformed. El - Murid, of course, is a respected person, but here he is not respectable - he does not consider it necessary to bring evidence and facts to the reader at least occasionally.
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 12: 54
      Quote: Anper
      The article makes a strange impression - there is a lot of ponto in front of us, stupid and uninformed. El - Murid, of course, is a respected person, but here he is not respectable - he does not consider it necessary to bring evidence and facts to the reader at least occasionally.

      Actually, this is not an article by El Murid, but an informational drain from Kiev, moreover, it is not complete by LJ of the author anymore.
      Mass casualties and destruction of SE for you is not evidence ?!
  25. +5
    6 July 2014 08: 59
    Quote: tikhonov
    The operation to return the Crimea was carried out flawlessly - on time and bloodlessly! In my opinion, the mistake is different - it was necessary to send troops to protect the Russian-speaking population (both Russians, and Ukrainians, and people of other nationalities) before the election. After all, it was clear that the position of illegitimate authorities after the election would only strengthen. The West also recognized the power seizure of power and, moreover, recognizes the election of its protege. In Potroshenko, the USA and Europe were not mistaken. He just needs to suppress the resistance, and for this they will kill people and destroy the cities ... This is also done so that, with the possible deployment of troops, Russia will spend huge sums on rebuilding the infrastructure. All that was needed was a statement that the troops were introduced to protect the Russian-speaking population and that this was our sphere of influence. Now, having entered the troops and protecting the people, we will restore the destroyed for several years ... To give up today is to jeopardize the future of Russia.

    people, yes, east of Russia does not need Russia, sad as it is .., demagogy about native speakers was needed to overcome Crimea, no more .., otherwise Prenistria would have been part of the Russian Federation. and the new ones, forgive me, the inhabitants, we can’t pull the poor regions, besides the majority of the 7 people living there, it doesn’t matter whose flag to live under, if only without shooting and this can be understood ...
  26. 0
    6 July 2014 09: 01
    Quote: Good
    The author outlined his nonsense and glitches. In vain read, only spent time.

    Krassava, streamlined my thoughts ... wink
  27. +3
    6 July 2014 09: 01
    Any politician can rely on the society from which he emerged. And if the country rose from its knees (the Bertsa laced it up), then the politician will not fall to his knees either. So the tantrum about New Russia (handed over, leaked) must be stopped - this is just a tantrum, and the civil war in Ukraine is an episode of much more global processes. Novorossiya will be able to consolidate and protect itself - we will help, it will not be able - another alignment ...
    There is a rearmament of the Russian army, the officers raise their heads and begin to be proud of their service. This is most important at present.
  28. +3
    6 July 2014 09: 06
    The article is just the opinion of the author. And to agree with him or not is the business of everyone who reads. Here I perceived it this way - perhaps inside the dill political patterns are just that, even if they themselves understand. In Crimea, all Western hysteria for the New Year will come to naught.
    1. +1
      6 July 2014 09: 32
      Quote: ODERVIT
      In Crimea, all Western hysteria for the New Year will come to naught.

      And what kind of sacred date is this - the New Year, they also said about the Maidan, well, exactly the same?
  29. +2
    6 July 2014 09: 07
    The article resembles a vinigret: add more lies and season it with several reliable facts and eat voila, sit down to eat! But you won’t fool the old sparrow, but you still need to look at who and who started hunting, but the EU’s hunt has not yet grown to compete with Putin. You look at the faces of these European people, it seems that all the homes of the crazy West have entered the governing bodies of a united Europe! And the article is vile and, in principle, is not worthy of our attention!
  30. +7
    6 July 2014 09: 09
    Quote from the article: "Crimea is Putin's biggest mistake, the hook on which he planted himself."
    I agree that this is a "hook", only not for Vladimir Putin, but for Europe. Putin looked at the reaction of Europe and their overseas friends, looked at how far they would go. And they swallowed it, and when the events began in the South-East, against the background of the Kremlin's silence (especially considering that Vladimir Putin asked the federal assembly for permission to use the Armed Forces), hysteria began. If you look at the screams of the West in relation to the Crimea, they basically boiled down to the fact that they say "not so good", "ay yay yay". And the cry that Crimea should be returned and returned - sounded from the lips of the "government" of Ukraine and its "glorious representatives" (ambitions, political speculations, and just drink ...). With the South-East it is much more difficult, not only are those lands where there are shale gas deposits are leased (read sold) to Western companies. This means that the money has already been paid (who cares?), So there is also Kolomoisky, who did not have a "passionate friendship" with Poroshenko. Plus, Kolomoisky and Poroshenko, the West holds financial "eggs", it is not so important for them how the events in the South-East will end. The West still wins. If we take the South-East (and how else, take it), then we will have to divide Ukraine along the Dnieper. In the hard remnant, we get a wildly hostile west of Ukraine, and on this side, not everyone is loyal to Russia. And with financial support from the West, it will be a protracted chaos. Do we need it? Now we look at Europe, there, about Russian sentiments are growing by leaps and bounds. Austria's behavior "killed" the United States and cannot do anything. South Stream is being built in spite of everything.
    And finally, where will you excuse the miners? After all, not so long ago, they "boldly" announced an ultimatum. Say, either stop fighting or we take machine guns. There was such a thing. And that's all they said. As my grandmother used to say - "He said he fart into a puddle," the miners did the same.
    Sorry for some confusion, I’m writing from a prosoni, from a smartphone (on the road). But in general, something like this.
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 09: 32
      I agree, if they don’t need it, then we .....
  31. +2
    6 July 2014 09: 09
    Well, rather hooked Americans and s. In Crimea, it was GLOBALLY WORKED! The West did not expect such agility from RUSSIA. Note the West no longer stutters about Crimea, the question is closed! And the author of the article simply fulfills the loot of the State Department. Southeast, if it lasts a couple of months, then the west will receive a new state. RUSSIA SOLD THE SOUTH FLOW, and the EMERGENCES do not need an EMPTY and RUSTY dill GTS; the chevron has stopped work, Biden has shut up, Obama has quieted down. Amerikosy see that Ukraine has FLYED through shale gas, it takes 2-3 years to get large volumes, but these they will not fill the gas transport department and the cost price will be higher, which means profit 0!
  32. komrad.klim
    +2
    6 July 2014 09: 11
    The trouble of ALL is that they are conducted on green toilet paper, which does not really cost anything, in particular because of the fear of getting on the forehead from the p.i.d.so.s.o.s., as soon as the USA is presented with a change green waste paper on a real material counterpart.
    The trouble is that around and around JUDAH, continuing to play the MMM, fueling the US monster.
    While the local elites of many countries will receive bonuses from the bloody bourgeois creatures of the United States, the ghouls "democratizers" will live and live.
  33. 0
    6 July 2014 09: 15
    I don’t understand why the article should be minus? According to the layout of the winds in Ukraine, everything is true. Well, and the fact that gunpowder spent a good word on Poros, duck is not so scary laughing
  34. +5
    6 July 2014 09: 18
    Crimea is Putin’s biggest mistake, the hook on which he pushed himself.


    This is the most main provocative thought this scribble in the "true information" style of the Voice of America.
    1. Artifact
      +2
      6 July 2014 09: 52
      This quote just "burns" in this article, and at the same time burned the entire article. The author's opinion is clear, an attempt at analysis is minimal, minus the article.
  35. +2
    6 July 2014 09: 28
    Naive analysis. Europe deals with those with whom it is beneficial for them to do business. Whether fascists or Pindos, the main thing is to achieve the goal. With us, and therefore with Putin, they will always have something to talk about, especially while they suck our gas and oil. But the main thing is that Crimea cannot be a mistake by definition. The territory returned to Russia and it is already necessary to dance from this, and not to reason whether this decision was correct or not. If we talk about hooks, then for any hook has its own pliers. Putin has plenty of them, China as an example.
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 11: 00
      Quote: dejavu
      Naive analysis.


      Extremely naive. Children’s.
  36. +1
    6 July 2014 09: 28
    At the beginning of the article there was an analysis of the internal political situation in Ukraine, which for 300 years has not fallen to us, Russia has no allies there, and who will eat whom in the end, it does not matter, it’s an enemy anyway. What kind of "affairs" do not want to do with Putin? All the "deeds" of the West have long been known, if Europe wants to ruin itself for the United States, then these are their problems. The position of Russia should proceed solely from economic benefits, there can be no strong political alliances here. Crimea can be worked back only with a new Crimean war, interesting Who will recruit the expeditionary force? You can shake Putin's rating inside the country because of the events in the southeast, but firstly it is not over yet, and secondly, all this rag-tag puts too many hopes on the possibilities of the Russian "oppositionists." the role of a serious analyst, it is necessary to carry out a more serious analysis.
  37. 3vs
    0
    6 July 2014 09: 29
    Some kind of virtual x..nya "El Murid" collects all sorts of gossip and gives out nagora.
  38. -14
    6 July 2014 09: 29
    Quote: Averias
    Quote from the article: "Crimea is Putin's biggest mistake, the hook on which he planted himself."
    I agree that this is a "hook", only not for Vladimir Putin, but for Europe. Putin looked at the reaction of Europe and their overseas friends, looked at how far they would go. And they swallowed it, and when the events began in the South-East, against the background of the Kremlin's silence (especially considering that Vladimir Putin asked the federal assembly for permission to use the Armed Forces), hysteria began. If you look at the screams of the West in relation to the Crimea, they basically boiled down to the fact that they say "not so good", "ay yay yay". And the cry that Crimea should be returned and returned - sounded from the lips of the "government" of Ukraine and its "glorious representatives" (ambitions, political speculations, and just drink ...). With the South-East it is much more difficult, not only are those lands where there are shale gas deposits are leased (read sold) to Western companies. This means that the money has already been paid (who cares?), So there is also Kolomoisky, who did not have a "passionate friendship" with Poroshenko. Plus, Kolomoisky and Poroshenko, the West holds financial "eggs", it is not so important for them how the events in the South-East will end. The West still wins. If we take the South-East (and how else, take it), then we will have to divide Ukraine along the Dnieper. In the hard remnant, we get a wildly hostile west of Ukraine, and on this side, not everyone is loyal to Russia. And with financial support from the West, it will be a protracted chaos. Do we need it? Now we look at Europe, there, about Russian sentiments are growing by leaps and bounds. Austria's behavior "killed" the United States and cannot do anything. South Stream is being built in spite of everything.
    And finally, where will you excuse the miners? After all, not so long ago, they "boldly" announced an ultimatum. Say, either stop fighting or we take machine guns. There was such a thing. And that's all they said. As my grandmother used to say - "He said he fart into a puddle," the miners did the same.
    Sorry for some confusion, I’m writing from a prosoni, from a smartphone (on the road). But in general, something like this.


    about the south stream. But how will the gas pipeline extend to Austria and Hungary if Serbia and Bulgaria do not participate (at least for now) in the project? by air?
    Putin really made a grave mistake by annexing Crimea. by this he narshuil all written and unwritten norms. and there is nothing to refer to Kosovo. Kosovo did not join Albania. it turned out two Albanian states. if Crimea remained formally independent, it seems to me that the reaction of the world community would be milder. but this, in my opinion, is not Putin’s only mistake. this is only the most serious of them
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 09: 38
      I live in Russia on the Black Sea, google and take a look at the video about the entry of Amer military shipboys into our territory in 88, while our Crimea, read RUSSIAN, I think this will not be repeated, but to me it is important ...
      if modernization allows: http://kobtv.narod.ru/documental/taran.html
      1. 0
        6 July 2014 11: 26
        do you think? as a result of the annexation of Crimea to Ukraine, the number of supporters of the country's joining NATO has tripled. and since the United States nevertheless plays the first fiddle in the alliance, the prospect of Ukraine’s membership in NATO is not so unrealistic. and missile defense, which Russia is so afraid of, will be deployed not somewhere in the Czech Republic or Poland, but on Khutor Mikhailovsky (I exaggerate slightly, but still). By the way, Lukashenko spoke of such a scenario.
        1. +1
          6 July 2014 15: 12
          yes that’s your business, I don’t mind .., place at least a devil with horns .., (do not forget the current where the missiles will be redirected ..) and merge the Black Sea military base to Amers .., well, no, sorry ...
          1. -3
            6 July 2014 16: 12
            I do not consider joining NATO (and any bloc, EU, CU, it does not matter) necessary for Ukraine. But, unfortunately, Vladimir Putin's actions are pushing our authorities (and public opinion) exactly in this direction. As a result of the annexation of Crimea, everyone will lose. And Ukraine, which has lost a third of its coastline, and Russia, having received a poor region cut off from mainland Russia, in which you need to invest so much money to make it "work." Build a bridge, infrastructure, improve the economy, and all this against the backdrop of sanctions, international non-recognition of Crimea's entry into the Russian Federation, etc. And Ukraine will never forgive the fact that, in a difficult time for the country, the Russian Federation simply wrested part of its territory.
            1. 0
              6 July 2014 21: 44
              You still haven't understood anything. It's a pity. Ukraine can "forgive" its "forgiveness" to itself, well, you know ... In a couple of years, what remains of Ukraine will dream of living in a "poor region cut off from the mainland." NATO, but something suggests that this is just another PR action like a visa-free regime with the EU. If you want to be a donkey running after a carrot hanging in front of your nose, run, jump, shout, your problems. Russia will definitely not forgive the Russians killed in the southeast, it will not forgive Odessa, it will not forgive the embassy, ​​give time, everything will be in demand. " International non-recognition "-do not be funny! If someone decided to follow in the footsteps of Napoleon or Hitler, happy journey! And if you are so stupid that you want to play the role of extras in this journey, blame yourself.
              1. 0
                7 July 2014 14: 10
                Russia certainly will not forgive the Russians who were killed in the southeast, it will not forgive Odessa, it will not forgive the embassy — give time — there will be demand for everything.

                Ukraine will not forgive trade wars; our soldiers who died in the East; citizens of the Russian Federation who are in charge of military operations on our land (Strelkov, Borodai, etc.); all these informational stuff about "such a people does not exist", "the Ukrainian language was artificially created in Austria"; Zhirinovsky's proposals to "divide" Ukraine; the same Crimea, etc. etc.
                the lists can be continued. both yours and mine. what's the point? as a result, two formerly friendly nations have been quarreled for decades. Was the game worth the candle?
                1. +1
                  7 July 2014 17: 58
                  With what "friendly people" did we quarrel? I saw the collapse of the Union in the Zhytomyr region - my father served there and I remember very well how one day Russia became to blame for all the troubles, how a portrait of Mazepa was hung in the history office, like children at school, repeating the words of their parents, they began to tell that in Ukraine in a year or two they will live like in Germany, and not that in this filthy Russia, like villagers in the market, they sold products only to those who passed their exam on the knowledge of "language." my, how much empty, unfounded boasting, it’s not clear where it came from overestimated self-esteem, yes we, yes Ukraine, yes independent, yes independent, great, mighty. And what? Literally a couple of years ago, having registered on "classmates", I learned that all my classmates went to military schools, then spat and quit, now they work as best they can in civilian life and they have, to put it mildly, not entirely accurate information about their neighbors in the east and generally a very strange picture in their heads. For example, the size of my money wow contentment, and I was just a captain of the Russian Armed Forces, caused them a temporary stupor and outright distrust. For some reason they believed that our army was dying of hunger and after an obvious refutation they somehow stopped asking questions like ? and generally somehow "sour." So the citizens of Ukraine were the first to behave like a brother, and it did not start yesterday, and if friendship comes down to the principle - give me gas at what price I want, buy my products at a loss (even it is of poor quality, even if it is generally a devil brought through my territory), and I will throw mud at you, make up a "story" for myself, where you are to blame for all my troubles, raise your children in hatred of you, but you dare not to answer, after all, we are friendly peoples, why do we need such friendship?
            2. 0
              7 July 2014 01: 15
              Quote: Koryatovich
              And Ukraine will never forgive the fact that in a difficult time for the country, the Russian Federation simply squeezed out part of its territory.

              these are still flowers in comparison with what the Jews will squeeze out for you, and here, according to the information, their lawyers are already working on the issue of
              "how Ukraine to carry out the restitution of Jewish property"
              Given the extent of the Jewish presence in Ukraine until 1917, it should be assumed that the number of objects that potentially fall within the European definition of restitution is only relative to nationalized Jewish property, measured not by hundreds, but by tens of thousands of objects


              http://evreiskiy.kiev.ua/advokat-gennadijj-belorickijj-kak-12500.html
  39. zol1
    +2
    6 July 2014 09: 39
    Bratislav Zivkovic, the commander of the Serbian detachment "Jovan Shevich" fighting in Donetsk, published an open letter about the situation in Novorossia.
    Brothers and sisters,
    These days, various messages and discouraging news are coming to me through the press, serving the New World Order, regarding Putin allegedly betraying the Russian people fighting against the fascist Ukrainian forces.
    Yandex Direct
    Truth is not only what you see with your eyes and hear with your ears. Let us recall the Apostle Thomas, who did not believe in the Risen Lord Jesus Christ, until he put his fingers into His wounds. The Lord then said: “You believed because you saw Me; Blessed are those who have not seen and who have believed. " And really, I tell you, believe the heart. Politics is a prostitute, we all know that. But wars from the Middle Ages were not waged for the sake of heroism. A soldier is a pawn in the game of politics, the only question is, does the pawn believe its king?
    And I would ask, in whose interests is it now to turn the Serbs against the Russians and Putin? Who uses this difficult moment to promote pro-western politics? Why not report on the support of the fascist formations in Ukraine by the EU and America? Why do not comment on the Poroshenko law on the lack of understanding of prisoners? This was not even among the pagans! Why not write about the bombing of schools, hospitals and churches, the murder of journalists, children and the elderly? Where is the truth about burned in Odessa? And there are thousands more questions, but the most important of them is - WHY DOES NO ONE HAVE ANY TALKS WITH RUSSIANS IN UKRAINE? !!! This is beyond comprehension. They are negotiating with terrorists, with insurgents, with kidnappers, even with suicides ... but, but no one invites the insurgent Russian people to negotiations ?! That is the question. And now think for yourself who does not need peace, who does not need an independent Ukraine ...

    In conclusion, I would return to the chessboard and tell you that in this game the white pawns exclaim to their king “GLORY OF RUSSIA !!!”

    Bratislav Zivkovic, Commander of the Chetnichesky Movement


    Learn to think!
  40. tikhonov
    +1
    6 July 2014 09: 54
    Quote: severnyi
    people, yes, east of Russia does not need Russia, sad as it is .., demagogy about native speakers was needed to overcome Crimea, no more .., otherwise Prenistria would have been part of the Russian Federation.

    We are one people with Little Russians - there was neither Ukraine, nor Ukrainians before the Bolsheviks ... But the people of Russia are needed - and very much! So that other neighbors do not have a desire to creep into our territory, Russia needs 300 million citizens. We will also pull the former Russian provinces, given away by the Bolsheviks to increase the percentage of the proletariat of the newly formed Ukraine. As for Transnistria, we don’t have a common border. And it was necessary to recognize Transnistria after several years of existence separately from Moldova. And this is also a mistake of our politicians - there is a state, but even we don’t recognize it ...
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 10: 10
      about the absence of Ukrainians, you, dear Cossacks, tell me, I’m sure to have fun, and about the territories, to our miners who will lose their income, their seed, etc., and so on ...
      also for the territory: taxes on the cadastral line, on the traffic police, (forgive all this slang), and some have already raised an average of one and a half times .., I also do not think that you are ready to buy an apartment for anyone in the East, or to give up everything and how, under the Soviets, to rush to the Komsomol construction site to restore the roads of Ukraine, but if I’m mistaken, it’s all in vain ...
  41. 0
    6 July 2014 09: 57
    Quote: Moment
    And if Europe and America miscalculated, and the plan would be different? The Crimean version was not included in the plans of the “friends of Russia.” But the attempts of the Maidan in Russia will continue, and this is where the people will support.

    I think the GDP is not the figure that the West is trying to play ... as practice shows, everything happens exactly the opposite ..
  42. +3
    6 July 2014 09: 59
    Of course, these are all very smart calculations.
    but they do not take into account one factor - Uncle Igor.
    I will not be surprised if he sends all the "advisers" to hell, breaks the ridge of the Ukrainian army near Donetsk, and reaches Kiev by winter.
    Shooter - this is the card that can interrupt all European, American and Russian schemes.
    Uncle Igor, do everything as you personally think you are faithful!
    And don't listen to anyone !!
    And cover your back from the dagger of the traitor !!!
  43. pahom54
    +2
    6 July 2014 10: 04
    Quote from the article: "There is a consensus in the West regarding Putin. There is an opinion that after Crimea it is impossible to deal with him, and it was decided to dump him in any way - even with the help of the Moscow" Maidan ", at least in the form of physical elimination. is considering options for two "Maidans" - a new Bolotnaya, or "patriotic Maidan", which, according to their calculations, is possible if the DPR and LPR surrender and the start of “consultations on Crimea.” The West is confident that it will have enough opportunities to seize control of the “patriotic Maidan” ...
    It seems to me that the task of the entire patriotic part of the people of Russia (I emphasize - the whole people, regardless of nationality) at the present stage is, no matter how scolding him, to support Putin and his policy. You can’t let the opposition paid by the West go for free !!! And the fight against them begins with our kitchens, porches, courtyards, streets ...
  44. +2
    6 July 2014 10: 26
    Dust swallow torment - pancake hunters. Moreover, the radioactive dust.
  45. +3
    6 July 2014 10: 27
    Quote: PanzerJager
    xs, as the east, GDP did not promise help initially


    He promised.


    and I’m sure I’m no less sure of the photos of the killed Ukrainian boys in uniform, but about the requests of people, (I can’t find it, I can't ..), the following came up on the forum: I’m a miner, I have dynamite, I’ll blow up the Russian current ..., something like this, I understand that just a post on the forum, but nevertheless out of 7 million how many and who needs help? a trifle a question, brought in troops and business with the end .., I think action will not be more silly.
    PS and distribute more of these photos of GDP, strengthen the power ... negative although on our trip to you ............
    1. Tyumen
      0
      6 July 2014 10: 46
      Quote: severniy
      I am a miner, I have dynamite, the Russians will tamper with the current.

      The dense cattle sharpened on my hut from the edgeenough everywhere.
      1. 0
        6 July 2014 15: 14
        and vsezhzhzhzhzh above where they wrote, not clearly they want in the Russian Federation, oh not clearly ...
  46. +2
    6 July 2014 10: 28
    Putin’s rating may fall, but if he freaks out and cuts off gas for Europeans =) then Europe will fall not only rating =) but everything else ...
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 10: 51
      Quote: Jrvin
      but everything else ...

      Is there anything to fall?
  47. Wladimir71
    +4
    6 July 2014 10: 39
    There is such an eastern wisdom - "Keep your friends close and enemies even closer."
  48. +3
    6 July 2014 10: 50
    El Murid is sometimes mistaken. Recently, more and more.
  49. +3
    6 July 2014 10: 56
    If so, then I wonder at the Westerners, their naivety. They will overthrow Putin. And who will overthrow something? In any case, Putin is a man who has done something for Russia. He has no substitute. I know that there are patriots. But in a democracy, it’s easy either to smear them, or simply to dilute them with an amount of water. And puppets are not needed, which are the majority in the EU. God forbid. In our country, a soft and liberal leader is like death.
  50. +6
    6 July 2014 11: 00
    Stop typing articles of misunderstanding the Russian mentality. Westerners never understand us. Let them not bother with paper scrapping. The swamps will get rid of or help them. And in the Crimea -... wow you, not the Crimea!
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 13: 44
      Do not .ui, but a blue flaky stump =)
    2. +2
      6 July 2014 16: 06
      I fully support. Russia will never again give Crimea to anyone. I am sure. And V. Putin also thinks.
  51. 0
    6 July 2014 11: 19
    Crimea is Putin’s biggest mistake, the hook on which he pushed himself.
    По-ходу автор сам нехилая fellow nature's mistake negative ...
  52. kay4yk
    0
    6 July 2014 11: 38
    bullshit
  53. VITA
    0
    6 July 2014 11: 38
    Quote: retired
    По-ходу автор сам нехилая ошибка природы ...


    seem to be.
  54. Alexander I
    +1
    6 July 2014 11: 39
    Никто В В Путину. Не сможет помешать В его работе. После присоединения Крыма как я понимаю начались разногласие власти. Всякая не честь которая мешает работать президенту и его единомышленникам. Так, что он ведет двойную войну. Войну за Донбасс укрепление власти в России в лице Президента и Парламента. Одна беда. Самая главная не наделать ошибок в этой роботе главный фактор народ, а не продажная олигархия которая путем обмана и воровства не законно нажилась и теперь им не нужны Путинские реформ. У них капиталистический эгоизм. ˂У них первично нажива и грабеж, порабощение народа. ˃ Они за эти двадцать лет тоже привыкло, что им все доверяют и все, что они делают это закон. Так, что В В Путину в данный момент ему нельзя бросить народ Донбасса и вести войну с своими либералами, олигархами и прочей нечестью народа. Наш Президент достоин этого доверия народа.
  55. kay4yk
    0
    6 July 2014 11: 39
    все зациклились на Путине, как на идоле.
    воен. обозрение, такой вопрос: а Гитлер сам начал вторую мировую?
    1. kompotnenado
      0
      6 July 2014 12: 51
      Гитлер не начинал войны. Войну объявили Англия и Франция.
  56. 0
    6 July 2014 11: 42
    Статья дрянь,даже беглый просмотр,показывает как автор стремиться стать пророком.
  57. +1
    6 July 2014 12: 05
    Как же меня напрягает этот псевдоаналитик Эль-Мюррид. Он же, как он сам выражается "спец по ближнему Востоку" и трижды орал что " Путин сдаёт Асада в обмен на контракты/Южный поток/Украину. Итого уже минимум 0 попаданий из 3, терь ещё за Новороссию и Крым взялся анализировать. Его прогнозы чем хороши- они постоянно не сбываются. Так что читать нужно от противного, тогда будет всем счастье :-)
  58. SAVA555.IVANOV
    0
    6 July 2014 12: 20
    Как бы ни было но если Эль -Мюрид пришёл на ВО это честь ,во всяком случае поопытней некоторых коментаторов (таких как я)))).
  59. +3
    6 July 2014 12: 32
    Крым - самая большая ошибка Путина, крючок, на который он насадил сам себя. Если сначала европейцы были растеряны, то после просчета ситуации считают, что, используя вопрос Крыма, смогут уронить рейтинг Путина.
    - Д.У.Р.А.К! - ВОТ НАСТОЯЩЕЕ имя автору!
    P.S. Помоему, последние лет сто никто нас так не "одаривал" земельными наделами...
    А Владимирович, хотят или не хотят ,НО записан будет в Новейшую историю России с георгиевской лентой!
    1. kompotnenado
      +1
      6 July 2014 12: 52
      Прошу прощения, при Иосифа Виссарионыча не забыли?
  60. +2
    6 July 2014 12: 40
    Не думаю, что Петя Хряк дотянет до осени.
  61. +4
    6 July 2014 12: 45
    did not like the article.

    ..План в общих чертах прост – экономическими и дипломатическими методами заставить Путина сдать ДНР и ЛНР, что по их расчетам должно уронить его рейтинг, а потом начать давление, на порядок серьезнее по поводу крымского вопроса...

    если даже рейтинг упадёт всё равно на выборах выберут его.Потому что в такой ситуации которая наметилась будет страшно менять курс.
  62. +3
    6 July 2014 12: 48
    Разрешите еще раз повторить слова Игоря Ивановича Стрелкова из сегодняшней военной сводки:
    Уже писал и повторю еще раз: Заняв Крым, Путин начал революцию сверху. Идёт этот процесс очень и очень тяжело, с постоянными "шатаниями из стороны в сторону". Но он идет. И если его не поддержать сейчас, то провал сметет и его, и всю страну. Кроме того, во время войны мятеж против главкома равносилен измене Отечеству. "Путь Гучкова-Милюкова-Львова и Ко", также в свое время воплотивших мятеж во имя "спасения России" привел известно к какому результату."
  63. +2
    6 July 2014 12: 51
    Конечно, Америка ещё сильна и спасая себя вполне способна умыть мир кровью. И всем разумным миром нужно не дать ей этого сделать.. Сила, влияние и уважение к США падают. Долг астрономический, ВВП США в первом квартале резко упал, всё чаще слышны призывы (и действия) к отказу от доллара (причём даже от союзников Ю.Корея, Франция http://politikus.ru/articles/23495-nakazyvaya-franciyu-ssha-uskorili-process-otk
    aza-ot-dollara.html
    ). Европа и мир не так уж однозначно на стороне Америки. Ну а майданы в России должны выглядеть так же как в Америке..
  64. +3
    6 July 2014 13: 42
    " .. Запад сейчас рассматривает варианты двух «майданов». Запад уверен, что у него хватит возможностей перехватить управление «патриотическим майданом ..." - Автор Эль Мюрид
    А мне хочется спросить: рассматривает ли Запад третий вариант: "Ближний" бой с русскими и возможность взглянуть прямо в глаза САМОЙ смерти, а не разговорам?
    Пока их правительства стравливают и травят русских, как они думают безнаказанно.
    Что думают поляки, литовцы, эстонцы, латвийцы. Через которых мы опять пойдем воевать.
    Запад уверен, что они захотят умирать первыми?
    Кстати говоря, США должен быть разрушен!
  65. +3
    6 July 2014 13: 45
    Статья - х...йня. Причём автор своей дурацкой интерпретацией фактов сам себя загоняет в угол. На фиг такую писанину.
  66. +4
    6 July 2014 14: 02
    Странный народ Украинцы у них страну в труху стирают а они письма аналитические строчат... советы дают... вы зимой как мамонты вымрите как мамонты... великие украинцы ...
  67. +4
    6 July 2014 14: 02
    Автор тупой провокатор,все будет норма,хохлы к весне прожарятся и сольются
  68. bergberg
    +2
    6 July 2014 14: 11
    Ничего у вас не выйдет господа фашисты ! Скорее народ сметёт вас , не Путина. Скорее развалится европа и америка ,чем Великая Россия .
  69. 0
    6 July 2014 14: 23
    В общем, довольно мрачно. Но выглядит правдоподобно, и это как раз и настораживает.
    То, что начало "консультаций" с представителями Новороссии было фарсом - понятно даже слепому, а представители противной стороны и вовсе вызывали большие сомнения в их способности что-то решить. Однако Медведчук мотался в Москву, и встречался там с оф. лицами - значит, человек не посторонний (о закулисье власти мы с вами, господа, вообще мало что знаем!). И поскольку понятно было, что это фарс, и продолжением перемирия вряд ли закончится, значит, фарс этот проводился, в том числе, и с подачи Москвы.. Интересно, С КЕМ общался Медведчук?
    На Западе сложился консенсус в отношении Путина. Сложилось мнение, что после Крыма с ним нельзя иметь дел, и принято решение его свалить любым способом – хоть с помощью московского «майдана», хоть в варианте физического устранения.

    А вот это, кстати, вполне реальная угроза. Можно закидывать шапками Запад, сколько угодно, но вопрос физического устранения очень даже вероятен. Вопрос, ЧТО ВЫГОДНЕЕ: убить - или с треском свалить, обеспечив политическую гибель? В первом случае вероятно сильнейшее патриотическое сплочение народа России, и тут уж не стоит надеяться, что они - Запад - смогут "перехватить управление" нами - как раз на западные рубежи и обрушится народный гнев, и тут уж им мало не покажется!
    Потому скорее всего, будут пытаться уничтожить Президента политически, и у них, надо сказать, это получается постепенно, т.к. сам Путин занимает весьма невнятную позицию, оправдывая это нежеланием применять силу, и стремлением соблюдать "международное право"..на которое остальные давно наплевали.
    Запад надо ставить на место решительными и жесткими действиями - причем, сделать это нужно было "еще вчера". Сейчас же Россия выглядит медведем, которого травит свора опытных лаек, ждущих подхода "охотника". И в этих условиях, на мой взгляд, лучшая защита своих интересов - нападение! Не обязательно открытое и буквальное - ведь силовых элементов для спецопераций у нас достаточно. Да и дипломатически можно бы пошевелиться - с тем же признанием Новороссии, к примеру..
    1. Leprechaun
      0
      6 July 2014 23: 14
      Quote: avia1991
      А вот это, кстати, вполне реальная угроза. Можно закидывать шапками Запад, сколько угодно, но вопрос физического устранения очень даже вероятен.

      Вы просто не в теме сколько уже покушений было за последние 10 лет.
      1. 0
        7 July 2014 03: 03
        Quote: Leprechaun
        Вы просто не в теме сколько уже покушений было за последние 10 лет.

        Ну, раз Вы в теме - поделитесь?..
        А вообще, прочтите внимательнее: речь не идет о том, что это - "открытие", речь о том, что к этому у Запада есть реальное стремление, и о том, в каком виде это может быть сделано.
        Что касается "сколько уже покушений": если будет "государственный заказ" - все равно выполнят, на то и существуют спецслужбы.
  70. +1
    6 July 2014 14: 27
    Крым был Российским и будет! За Путиным охота! Пусть попробуют.
  71. 0
    6 July 2014 14: 31
    Россия америкосам как ком в горле. Америкосы хотят мирового господства. Но Наполеон тоже хотел и Гитлер хотел. И что с ними стало???
  72. 0
    6 July 2014 14: 33
    Quote: tungus
    Кто то действительно держит его на крючке, но этот крючок не Крым, как пишет автор статьи и не возможные санкции, как пугают СМИ. Тут что то другое. Знать бы, что... Что так напугало Вову?


    всё просто.украину надо содержать,она нищая,еу и США хотят её на Россию повесить,плюс нацыки, Вова в курсе и ждёт когда украина поймёт в какой она попе и сама приползёт.
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 14: 40
      Возможно и так. Она уже давно в глубокой попе. Только ее рукой водители этого осознать не хотят!
  73. +1
    6 July 2014 14: 46
    Интересное мнение. Единственное - возникает диссонанс по поводу как назвать статью.

    Если назвать ее мнением автора, тогда почему вот такое присутствует:
    На Западе сложился консенсус в отношении Путина. Сложилось мнение, что после Крыма с ним нельзя иметь дел, и принято решение его свалить любым способом – хоть с помощью московского «майдана», хоть в варианте физического устранения. Причем Запад сейчас рассматривает варианты двух «майданов» - некой новой Болотной, либо «патриотического майдана»


    Если это не мнение, а достоверная информация то ссылка на источник где? Facebook? Не сильно достоверное - там кто угодно и что угодно можно писать.

    Можно подумать также об частых в последнее время вбросах. С этой позиции Facebook прекрасная платформа для этого, ну и для сайта ссылка на источник есть, т.е. тот кто размещает статью умывает руки.

    А вообще все выглядит как в зоопарке - обезьянки какашками бросаются. Думаю нужно понимать, что в реалиях информационной войны пропаганда ведется и с одной и с другой стороны.

    ЗЫ Статья в рубрике "Мнения" так и должна выглядеть, а не как показано выше.
  74. IMB
    IMB
    +2
    6 July 2014 15: 02
    сколько же сил затрачено на подобные опусы,контора пишет,крым выходит-крючек...ггггг,пиши как говорят ысшо,пысатель
  75. +1
    6 July 2014 15: 02
    либо «патриотического майдана», который по их расчетам возможен в случае сдачи ДНР и ЛНР и начала «консультаций по Крыму». Запад уверен, что у него хватит возможностей перехватить управление «патриотическим майданом».

    Какой нах майдан, задача поддерживая Новороссию, дождаться коллапса экономики Украины.

    Все расчеты на Тимошенко на якобы перехват власти в следущем году - чушь, ибо решение судьбы Украины - осень зима:
    Нужно порядка 3.5 месяца до полного колапса экономики Украины ибо:
    Украина в текущем году получает кредитов ЕС/CША 18.5 млрд $. Потери бюджета за первый квартал - 11.5 млрд $.
    Остаётся 7 млрд $.
    И до полного коллапса. (3/11.5)*7 = 1.82 месяца(заметим про идущее уже две недели активной фазы АТО, что ускорит процесс). Ну накинем еще столько же времени агонии из-за доп. средств от кризисной рапродажи Украинских активов по дешевке, получаем 3.5 месяца.

    Для полноты счастья ввести санкции на поставку нефтепродуктов на Украину(за обстрел погран.пунктов и убийство мирных, если конечно карман олигархов не дороже "русские своих не бросают") позволит заморозить АТО в режим "еле-еле" ибо переналадка поставок дело непростое. Автоматическая безпилотная зона за счет ограничения горючки самолётам. Ускорение коллапса экономики за счет повышенных трат на горючку(у России - дешевле) и всё остальное,ибо горючка автоматом входит в расходы на доставку любых товаров и при реализации и при их выработке. Тут может помочь и Лукашенко, подняв цены на импорт горючки со своего НПЗ в полном согласии с тенденцией уменьшения поставок Россией.
  76. alex 777
    0
    6 July 2014 15: 12
    Автор, ты чушь пишешь! Если бы Путин бросил Крым, там сейчас уже американский флот стоял бы. И никто Крым назад никогда не отдаст. Был референдум, это воля народа, а не аннексия. Вернем все бывшие земли России, хочется это кому-то или нет.
    1. +2
      6 July 2014 15: 20
      Quote: alex 777
      Если бы Путин бросил Крым, там сейчас уже американский флот стоял бы. И никто Крым назад никогда не отдаст.

      В том то и дело, что Крым нельзя было терять геополитически. А люди, уже второе оказались. Что и видим на отношение власти к Крыму и Новороссии. Люди везде те же, желания в принципе те же, а власть одних видит, других упорно не замечает, причем закрывает глаза и на обстрел нашей территории. Лично меня, лицемерии Кремля, просто поражает...
      Майданить, против него не буду конечно. Но среди моих знакомых, практически все больше за него голосовать не будут, кто голосовал раньше...
      1. +1
        6 July 2014 16: 00
        Блин Вы странный!
        Хм, в Новороссии более миллиона мужиков от 30-50 прошедших службу в рядах армии.
        Воюют лишь 15 000. Вопрос: Путин президент Новороссии или РФ?
        Cтоит ли класть на весы благополучие 140 миллионов за 15 т и пока мирное сосуществование РФ со всем миром, ибо НАТО уже помогает Украине, переправляя советские танки и самолеты(уже более 30) из Болгарии - Румынии, для возмещения потерь.
        При войне с России, думаю помощь будет уже более весомой и более современным оружием, хотя оно и сейчас уже поставляется - газовые гранаты с отравляюшим веществом, фосфорные бомбы, средства подавления радиосвязи противника и т.д.
        При текущей пассивности населения, цена вмешательства РФ ставит под вопрос
        его смысл, а кого РФ должно защищать ? Пофигистов, желающих с дивана поглядеть как они будут жить при коммунизме как в Крыму, ставя под угрозу жизни своих российских граждан(в пропорциях больших, чем те кто сейчас борется на Донбассе с оружием в руках) и непонятным для РФ экономическим будущим, Вы что думаете Европа будет с нами торговать после ввода войск ? А войска, если вводить нужно чистить всю территорию, минимум до Галиции, ибо иметь постоянную военную угрозу под боком до конца столетия, а в дальнейшем и с НАТО на Украине(это однозначно), с постоянно исходящим на говно Порошенко, - это в сто раз хуже, чем иметь вякующее с десяток лет ЕС даже без торговых отношений!
        Т.е. в мировом видении это будет типическая "окупация". Готов ли будет Киев трудиться не покладая рук при "окуппационном" режиме на восстановление хотя бы своей экономике(или это будет вторая Чечня, с активным направлением террористов всех мастей, из той же Сирии ?), в условиях ухудшающегося экономического состояния России из-за потери рынков(ибо ухудшения своего состояния украинцы еще не ощутили - мало времени прошло).

        Пока Россия осуществляет вариант со всяческой поддержкой, дипломатической, технической, военной.
        Остальное довершит коллапс Украинской экономики, см пост выше.
        1. +1
          7 July 2014 00: 33
          Quote: Deff
          Воюют лишь 15 000

          А сколько у нас людей встанет добровольно под ружье, в случае гражданского противостояния?
          Даже если республика объявит призыв, то вооружать чем?
          При войне с России,

          А кто говорит о войне? Оружием можно помощь оказать, почему разговор идет о вводе войск.
          И поглядите выступление ВВП 4 марта. Он вроде президент и зачем тогда разбрасывался словами. Новороссия без поддержки Россия погибнет, мы кинем миллионы людей, но зато в наших магазинах, не уменьшится количество сортов колбасы...

          Пока Россия осуществляет вариант со всяческой поддержкой, дипломатической, технической, военной.

          А можно конкретней, в чем это выражается, кроме дипломатической, здесь мы конечно активно переводим тонны бумаг, но безрезультатно пока?
        2. 0
          7 July 2014 03: 09
          Quote: Deff
          помощь будет уже более весомой и более современным оружием, хотя оно и сейчас уже поставляется - газовые гранаты с отравляюшим веществом, фосфорные бомбы, средства подавления радиосвязи противника и т.д.

          Quote: Deff
          Блин Вы странный!
          ОТКУДА ВЫ ЭТУ ИНФУ БЕРЕТЕ?! КЕМ, КОМУ и ЧТО поставляется??? Если Вы об этом ополченцам скажете - они Вас заплюют! Хрена лысого что там поставляют. Разве что - бракованные РПГ-18, которые пришлось бросить в Славинске, ввиду бесполезности.
  77. -1
    6 July 2014 15: 18
    Quote: morprepud
    Разрешите еще раз повторить слова Игоря Ивановича Стрелкова из сегодняшней военной сводки:
    Уже писал и повторю еще раз: Заняв Крым, Путин начал революцию сверху. Идёт этот процесс очень и очень тяжело, с постоянными "шатаниями из стороны в сторону". Но он идет. И если его не поддержать сейчас, то провал сметет и его, и всю страну. Кроме того, во время войны мятеж против главкома равносилен измене Отечеству. "Путь Гучкова-Милюкова-Львова и Ко", также в свое время воплотивших мятеж во имя "спасения России" привел известно к какому результату."

    пахнет провокационным сие заявление.., сильно извиняюсььь.
    1. 0
      6 July 2014 15: 47
      Хм. Сводки от Стрелкова Игоря Ивановича
      Вчера в 14:28 http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_5150

      эль-Мюрид (Анатолий Несмиян) нормальный аналитик и патриот, он за Путина без либерастов в Правительстве и парламенте. Критикует Медведева за сдачу Ливии.
      В данной статье анализ задач Запада и оценка ситуации со стороны Запада.
    2. 0
      7 July 2014 03: 13
      Quote: severniy
      пахнет провокационным сие заявление.., сильно извиняюсььь

      Хорошо, что извиняетесь. Здесь кричать "ура" не особо напряжно, а там - реальная оценка человека с места событий, еще и непосредственно руководителя ополчения. Да и.. факты на морде лица, их и так видно.
  78. Nikolaychuk
    0
    6 July 2014 16: 29
    С чего это Крым-ошибка Путина!
    Мы получили больше мил.Русских людей(людской ресурс).Получили курорт,
    плодородную землю,газовые и нефтяные месторождения, хим.промышленность. Наши войска и ракеты стали ближе к Гейвропе. Мы стали гордится армией и страной.Крым нас объединил.Получили стратегический выход в средиземное море.Почему они на го..но исходят. Сэкономили около 100 мил.долларов за аренду флота.Нам что-это англосаксы обещали дать?
    Ситуация такая,как если бы нам достался по наследству большой дом с землей, в убогом состоянии.Нам надо только вложить определенное количество сил и денег в благоустройство.
    Понятно что Европа отсасывает у США.Это их США надоумил как ослабить Россию и получить от этого прибыль,оставаясь в тени.Но когда наши с Китайцами пообщались с Европой,то Гейвропа включила заднюю,вот тогда и Нуланд сказала "фак европа" и пришлось открыться США. А хохлы этим пользуются,наезжают и на нас и на Европу.Почему автор не освещает деятельность США. Сейчас Европа начинает понимать в какое г... оно влезло.И пробует вылезти. Шпионские скандалы,требуют перемирие и.т.д.
    Эта статья понимается не однозначно.Казачек засланный.
  79. 0
    6 July 2014 16: 46
    Смешно читать про желание европейцев "уронить рейтинг Путина" а потом "свалить его". Укропав так успешно зомбировали, что даже элита опирается на фантазии как на реальные вещи. Европа просто молится на Путина и будет всеми силами пождерживать его. Не официально, но реально. Путин - единственный кто держит мир от сваливания в пожарище мировой войны. Немцы и французы на себе испытали возможности русских, загнанных в угол, потому прекрасно понимают что русские легко пойдут на войну с сша, но не отдадут страну во внешнее управление, как это сделали укропы. Это наивные американцы верят что могут бескровно решить вопрос с конкурирующей Россией манипуляциями, подкупами и угрозами, а европейцы-то прекрасно знают что это невозможно. Еще они понимают что действия сша РЕАЛЬНО приближают мир к ядерной войне.
    Честно говоря, видя что из себя представляет т.н. элита Украины, прекрасно понимаю что Украина иссчезнет с мировой арены в любом случае, кроме невозможного - прихода под российское крыло. Так что развал украины по югославскому сценарию - вопрос времени.
  80. 0
    6 July 2014 17: 04
    Думаю, всё что происходит, к благу России, ибо наличие ополчения, позволит придавить фашиствующих гадов после коллапса экономики Украины, ждать осталось недолго, 2-3 месяца. Главное не дать ополченцам погибнуть. Для этого подерживая ополченцев, искать мир и/или заморозить АТО санкциями, нефть, газ, торговые отношения с Москвой, поскольку иных источников доходов у Украины практически нет! Cейчас, на активной стадии день войны обходится Украине в 16-17млн $
  81. 0
    6 July 2014 19: 23
    Предлогаю зайти на украинский сайт о делах укроармии,ну почитать то можно а вот коменты неоставить.

    http://www.ukrinform.ua/rus/news/na_granitse_s_rossiey_unichtogena_ukrainskaya_c
    hast_pvo___smi_1645406?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=lentainform&utm_campaign=u
    krinform.ua&utm_term=5927&utm_content=2950715
  82. 0
    6 July 2014 20: 38
    План у Запада. Какой нафиг план? Вы забыли "господа" с кем связались, это же Россия, а она умеет ломать все планы своей непредсказуемостью. Как сказано - "на любой самый хитрый план Запада по уничтожению России, последняя ответит своей непредсказуемостью, и как не странно победит". laughing
  83. +1
    6 July 2014 21: 53
    " Сложилось мнение, что после Крыма с ним нельзя иметь дел, и принято решение его свалить любым способом "
    Свалить ВВП запад и юг пытаются все время пребывания ВВП на посту президента РФ. Это не новость. Я голосовал за ВВП и ни разу не пожалел. Сложная обстановка. Обаму все пытаются представить полуумком, а на самом деле он проводит жесткую линию и с нее не свернет, ему не дадут свернуть всякие байдены и маккейны. Не дадут. Мы не знаем всех подробностей. Я тоже не стал бы вводить войска на Украину без мандата ООН.
    1. 0
      7 July 2014 03: 17
      Quote: Balu
      Обаму все пытаются представить полуумком, а на самом деле он проводит жесткую линию и с нее не свернет, ему не дадут свернуть всякие байдены и маккейны. Не дадут. Мы не знаем всех подробностей.

      А-а, то есть, Вы считаете, что только у амеров все так - а у нас ВСЕ наверху единым фронтом выступают? Ключевые Ваши слова:
      Quote: Balu
      Не дадут. Мы не знаем всех подробностей
  84. -1
    6 July 2014 22: 07
    Автор, диванный баран. Что-то пошло не так как он рассчитывал своим куцым умом, и он от злости, попёрдывая и брызгая ядом, начал лепить сценарии, только бы как-то умерить свою злобу.
  85. Leprechaun
    0
    6 July 2014 22: 55
    Крым - самая большая ошибка Путина, крючок, на который он насадил сам себя. Если сначала европейцы были растеряны, то после просчета ситуации считают, что, используя вопрос Крыма, смогут уронить рейтинг Путина.


    Заметьте как автор описывает события, делая акцент Европа-Россия и не слова о США странно неправда ли. Хотя именно США очень хотела заполучить Крым. американцы как обычно через множество своих рупоров (Автор Эль Мюрид) пытается устроить раздор и грызню между своими противниками. Европа тоже рассматривается США как конкурент, кто бы что бы не говорил что они союзники.
  86. 0
    7 July 2014 00: 52
    Статья глуповатая.
    Автор явно мечтает на фоне недостатка информации о внутрироссийском положении.
    Рассуждения о любовниках явно достовернее.
    По поводу планов запада - они всегда мечтают об одном и том же.
    Ленина убить,
    Сталина победить,
    Хрущева охмурить,
    Брежнева разорить,
    Ебна напоить,
    теперь вот Путина свалить.

    Такое наворотили, что пускай теперь сами попытаются выкарабкаться из этого дерьма.
  87. Alexnik
    0
    7 July 2014 02: 12
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Glory to Ukraine

    Вот только не надо этого "Слава Украине", даже с этим смайлом lol ...
    У большинства на Донбассе это ассоциируется с нацистским приветствием. Особенно после Одессы, бомбардировок, обстрелов и прочих самоутверждающих действий хунты.
  88. 0
    7 July 2014 04: 48
    Путин понял, что примирение с Западом невозможно, потому что они хотят его убрать, и он начал менять свою команду. Слабый ответ России обусловлен тем, что ещё не существует должного окружения, оно ещё недостаточно сформировано. Сами идеи Путина находятся на середине пути, я так считаю. Бывают моменты, когда он даёт повод думать, что он понял тяжесть всей ситуации. Он великолепно действовал, когда понял, что интересы Европы и Америки не совпадают, и он немедленно попытался сыграть на этом. Он понимает, что сейчас Россия не может самостоятельно остановить США. Это получится только в том случае, если удастся разделить мнения европейцев и американцев, создав свой стратегический союз между Европой и Россией. Со злом нужно бороться сообща, привлекая партнёров на свою сторону с помощью новых идей. Источник: http://zerkalokryma.ru/lenta/people/interview/ukraina_ahillesova_pyata_rossii/ ©
    Мне кажется, что автор,известным европейским политический деятель, журналист, публицист Джульетто Кьеза, который побывал в Крыму по приглашению ММК "Формат-А3", правильно оценивает ситуацию. Именно поэтому Путин войска не вводит и с Европой не ссорится.
  89. Khalmamed
    0
    7 July 2014 06: 18
    МИХАН ..Бойня Славян жестокая и беспощадная его цель он еврей ...Ну еще не вечер![/quote]
    .....ЗДРАВИЯ ВСЕМ ЛЮДЯМ!
    .....ДА!, ПОЛНАЯ Победа состоит из маленьких Побед!, уже было, ДЕДЫ НАШИ в начале наступления гитлершлюхенберга тоже отступали..., НО ПОТОМ Гнали...
    .....Печально что тогда гомосов сделали жертвами, РУССЫ и Граждане СССР агрессорами.
    .....нодеюсь в этот РАЗ ЛЮДИ ПОЙМУТ, ПРОТРУТ от гамбергеров Глаза и НАЗОВУТ истинного врага РОДА РУССОКОГО и РУССИ.

    НИ ОДНА КАПЛЯ ПРОЛИТОЙ КРОВИ и СЛЕЗИНОК не будет прощенна, что энта нечисть кровожадная-людоед пЮДРОшенГомос сеял то и вернётся выродкам его.

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