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The largest amphibious assault ship

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The largest amphibious assault ship


In a small cozy museum of the Baltic fleet, located in a building still of German construction in Baltiysk (Kaliningrad region), the guide demonstrates historical relics - first Peter the Great (guns, anchors and flags from Swedish ships), then the times of the First and Second World Wars. And finally, he moves on to modern artifacts, with particular pride in displaying the project 12321 Jeyran air-cushion control panel mounted on the booth, most of which were based in Baltiysk: “It’s unlikely to see anything like that anywhere else!” “Well, why? I cautiously notice. “Just yesterday I saw how they controlled the Bison”! The guide grins with increased respect: “And how, are you not deaf?”

The landing ship "Mordovia", standing on the concrete pier of the military harbor of Baltiysk, is a bit like a whale cast ashore. Only helplessness does not blow from him at all - the open mouth of the lowered “lip” of a flexible rubber fence and the front ramp are more like a predatory smile. Several BMPs lined up in front of the ship, and one of the officers, with gestures, helped the driver mechanics to back in. After the last BMP takes its place in the landing compartment, the officer carefully checks the placement of the vehicles. He doesn’t like something, at his command several BMPs move forward - literally several centimeters. Finally, the results of the test satisfy the officer, and the machines are fastened with chains. The commander of the ship, captain of the 3 rank, Sergey Konov explains the meaning of these manipulations: “Accurate load centering is very important for the hovercraft. If the trim at the stern exceeds 2 °, the nose section rises too high above the water, the stern section drops, and the pressure of the air flow can exceed the pressure of the air created by the pillow. There will be the danger of breaking a flexible rubber fence on the move, which is approximately equivalent to a collision with a wall. ”

In a water coat

Having huddled in a corner of the wheelhouse (so as not to disturb anyone), I watch the preparations for going to sea. The posts report readiness, and now, finally, a command is given to start the engines, freeing the herd of 50 000 horses. In the armored wheelhouse, the roar of the engines is pretty muted, and I can only guess how this incredible sound is perceived outside. At the same time, I understand that the ride with the breeze will not work: while on the move, access to the deck is forbidden, because with the operation of a person’s engines it can simply blow off.

“Rise!” - the commander of the ship, personally sitting at the helm, throws one of the tumblers on the console. On each side, two injection units are installed, the air intakes of which are closed from above by rotating vanes. Clicking the toggle switch turns the blades, and the blowers begin to blow air into the pad. Around the "Mordovia" takes off the dust, the ship, shaken by a large tremor, rises above the surface. Turning the steering wheel from side to side, Sergey Konov swings the heavily loaded Bison, slowly creeping down the concrete slope into the water. When the ship is completely on the water, an amazing sight opens from the wheelhouse - around, wherever you look, a lot of rainbows sparkle - this light is refracted on a cloud of mist raised by an air bag. At full speed (and this is 60 nodes!) The ship is almost invisible - only the nose section and the cabin glazing protrude from the cloud of mist. According to the officers, this also serves as a masking factor: the water dust interferes with the signals of enemy radars, making it difficult to detect and target designation. The case of an aluminum-magnesium alloy is non-magnetic, and taking into account the height of its flight (about half a meter), the Bison is not afraid of either magnetic or contact mines.


Most terrible weapon "Bison" - these are two launchers for 140-millimeter uncontrolled missiles.
Such installations are used for assault fire support. But in the running position of the ship, you will not see them.


Commander and helmsman

Hovercraft are the only ones where the commander not only gives orders to the helmsman, but is personally at the helm. Displacement vessels and ships deep in the water are much more inertial and predictable. “Bison” hovering above water without touching it, and literally reacts to gusts of wind: “The main problem that makes it difficult to control a hovercraft is its windage,” explains Sergey Konov. - The lateral projection area is more than 500 m², so even a moderate wind makes its corrections, not to mention the gusts that knock the ship off course. Therefore, in the management of "Bison" more from aviationthan from navigation, instant reactions and correction for the wind. "

Off-road clearance

Finally, the Zubr approaches its destination, one of the beaches on the Baltic coast. Two sailors inspect the landing area with the help of sightings and report that everything is clean. The ship slows down and, raising clouds of sand and dust, falls out onto the shore. “Landing!” - the commander clicks the toggle switch, translating the injection units into the landing mode: the blades of the upper air intakes are closed, the air circulates inside the airbag, cooling the engines. The Zubr settles on the sand, lowers the bow and the gangway, along which five BMP assault forces slide down one after the other to the beach. The gangway is removed, and then the ascent to the pillow is again in the sea. The whole operation takes a couple of minutes.


The ship easily goes to the sandy beach, almost not noticing the boundary between the water and the firmament.


Going ashore is easy for the “Bison” at almost any speed. Launching is much more difficult for him, although it is noticeable only from the inside, from the wheelhouse.

Technically, the ship can not just go ashore, but also go by land or through the swamp much further. Flexible rubber fencing consists of two parts - the receiver and mounted easy-replaceable elements ("kerchiefs"). Thick reinforced rubber is fairly resistant to various damages, and small holes do not affect driving performance. The ship can overcome obstacles up to 1,6 − 2 m in height, and those that are less than a meter are not noticed at all. There was a case when, during the demonstration of a night landing, one of the export samples destined for Greece simply “rolled out” GAZ-66, which was supposed to highlight the landing site. Fortunately, none of the people was hurt, but the car, of course, had to be written off. Not without reason, the manufacturer claims that the Bison is available for landing assault forces up to 70% of the total length of the coastline of the seas and oceans of the world.
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  1. Mature Hrych
    Mature Hrych 5 July 2014 07: 07
    +9
    Not only the largest but also the most combat-ready, in terms of the range of tasks performed.
    1. Russian
      Russian 5 July 2014 09: 24
      +7
      The ship is excellent, but is calculated in a couple of units. Now, apparently, China will go into a series
      1. Kir
        Kir 5 July 2014 15: 43
        +5
        Interestingly, but you are not confused by another fact that as far as I remember, the documentation came to China from the Square, and now it is known who is in charge, so the situation is much worse - the documentation is in the hands of "sworn friends", and if they do not copy it, then by any use the information to the detriment of Us, this is a real cause for concern !!!
        Thanks to the author of the article. and even more Thanks to the designers and everyone involved in this creation !!!
        1. carbofo
          carbofo 7 July 2014 19: 14
          +1
          Quote: Kir
          You are not confused by another fact that the documentation as far as I remember came to China from an independent

          We couldn’t conclude a contract with us, but we divorced poets as .. :).
          Under the contract, there were 2 ships and docks, a crane broke during the installation of the hull of the first, the ship’s hull was damaged and the contract was closed, of course, with a forfeit, that they gave it away, and the skilled docks hastily threw back the docks.
          Bottom line: production has become damaged, the capacity of orders is actually the same, the docks have sailed away and now the Zarya shipyard seems to be so called in general no one is interested except creditors.
          Here is a brilliant plan on how to get something for free.
          It happened so or not, this is another story
          Something like that.
  2. GRAY
    GRAY 5 July 2014 08: 03
    +9
    Last year. The Zubr air cushion landing craft has landed marines on the beach in Kaliningrad soldier
    .
    1. mrDimkaP
      mrDimkaP 5 July 2014 09: 58
      +1
      This video was shown in the American news. And Ray seemed to be observing him.
  3. sv68
    sv68 5 July 2014 09: 19
    +1
    how many of them do we have left in the fleets? Will they be building new ones, or will dachas and mansions be needed?
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 5 July 2014 14: 04
      +2
      two, both on the bf. the ship is specific, the application is limited about the construction of new for Russia there is no data, the Chinese showed interest.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 7 July 2014 01: 33
        0
        Suitable for Polish swamps - NATO members look at them from above, but this one can sail. Wolfshanze near Kaliningrad.
        In the photo, 2 NATO members are the lower scout, the upper cover with the plasma on, so it seems colored. Afraid of someone.
        The Russians also fly in Kamchatka as a group - Il-38 and Mig-31, maybe there will still be An-26 with paratroopers.
        http://topwar.ru/53389-v-nebe-kamchatki.html
  4. malikszh
    malikszh 5 July 2014 11: 08
    +2
    there are two of them, Evgeny Kocheshkov and Mordovia, but now in Russia there is a plant in Crimea that produces these bison
    1. nnz226
      nnz226 5 July 2014 18: 52
      +1
      The Feodosia plant "More" seems to have retained its potential, despite the efforts of Svidomo ...
  5. Kus Imak
    Kus Imak 5 July 2014 11: 10
    0
    Cool car, sorry Israel does not pay attention to them.
    1. Professor
      Professor 5 July 2014 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Kus Imac
      Cool car, sorry Israel does not pay attention to them.

      For what? In Beirut to land or in Gaza? In general, ships with dynamic principles of maintaining buoyancy leave much to be desired in terms of survivability. Damaging the skirt on hovercraft or hydrofoils on their respective ships will at best make them an excellent target. This is not for you to bully a hole ...
      About the consumption of solariums generally keep quiet.
      1. Kus Imak
        Kus Imak 5 July 2014 12: 44
        +2
        Quote: professor
        Quote: Kus Imac
        Cool car, sorry Israel does not pay attention to them.

        For what? In Beirut to land or in Gaza? In general, ships with dynamic principles of maintaining buoyancy leave much to be desired in terms of survivability. Damaging the skirt on hovercraft or hydrofoils on their respective ships will at best make them an excellent target. This is not for you to bully a hole ...
        About the consumption of solariums generally keep quiet.


        It is for landing in Lebanon. Each type of vessel has pros and cons. The survivability of an hovercraft is perhaps less than that of an ordinary vessel similar in size to it, but it allows landing in absolutely any place when, as with ordinary ships, the enemy can create a strong defense in bays convenient for landing. It is clear that previously when landing from a ship on air. Pillow reconnaissance needs to find out that there is no fortified coastal defense.
        As a rule, the landing is not carried out exclusively by ships on air. pillow, and goes along with a unit of ordinary sea ships protecting ships on air. pillow while driving and supporting landing from the sea.

        If we are talking about a large landing operation (in Israel, as far as I know, such were not carried out), then landing from ordinary ships is carried out in 2 stages: first, troops are transported on a seagoing vessel to the traverse of the landing site, and then they are carried ashore by small ships. This second stage is critical and most of the losses will be in it. Moreover, under sea conditions, it is practically impossible to reload armored vehicles onto small-sized vessels. You need to either use floating armored vehicles (which floats very slowly and is an excellent target) or not to use armored vehicles at all.
        By the way, floating armored vehicles as a rule leave much to be desired in terms of booking.
        The hovercraft allows you to solve the problem of delivering armored vehicles to the shore in the fastest way. As far as I know, Israel at the moment practically does not have the possibility to use armored vehicles together with amphibious assault forces, and the ship on air. the pillow solves this gap. The use of systems similar to the tank's "Meil Ruach" windbreaker greatly increases the survivability of the vessel.
        1. Professor
          Professor 5 July 2014 13: 10
          0
          You think by the standards of the Soviet military commanders of the 1950s: the seizure of the bridgehead, gums, marines, etc. However, the reality is that the last time the airborne landing was in combat in 1955, today helicopters can do this very well. Even Russia, which had the ability to drop armored vehicles, drove it through the tunnel in a column tens of kilometers long, and sent semi-partisan units on the coast with such means of landing.

          For landing in Lebanon and any other country do not need such ships.


          The only advantage is the shuttle service from landing ships such as Mistral. And here, as you know, Israel is resting.


          1. bmv04636
            bmv04636 5 July 2014 15: 16
            +3
            yes admit the professor just does not work. such a ship can go into river deltas and go deep behind enemy lines and land troops where they did not wait. not for nothing was his china at the outskirts of those. documentation bought for southeast asia
            1. Professor
              Professor 5 July 2014 16: 03
              -3
              Quote: bmv04636
              yes admit the professor just does not work.

              Who doesn’t succeed?

              Quote: bmv04636
              such a ship can go into river deltas and go deep behind enemy lines and land troops where they did not wait

              Do not make me laugh. How many fighters and weapons will he throw behind enemy lines? 3 tanks and 140 fighters? The same American Larks from the shelf will transfer more and with air support. This ship is exotic and not in vain they were built so little.

              Quote: bmv04636
              not for nothing was his china at the outskirts of those. documentation bought for southeast asia

              First, Ukraine, and with a capital letter. Secondly, if "the very thing" then how have they still managed the poor without him? wink

              PS
              Which regiment you yourself served in?
              1. bmv04636
                bmv04636 5 July 2014 16: 11
                +3
                USSR with a large and what is now it is dill or Ukraine, just like poor Singapore did without mercenaries. and China needed ships as the light elves declared their claims to Southeast Asia.
                And who said that China will have one or you doubt the ability of China to clone
                1. Professor
                  Professor 5 July 2014 16: 22
                  0
                  Quote: bmv04636
                  USSR with a large and what is now it is dill or Ukraine, just like poor Singapore did without mercenaries.

                  Your pity to attach Merkava (also with a capital letter) does not change the fact of the existence of the state Уkrajina. By the way, in poor Singapore, per capita income is $ 62,400 compared to $ 18,100 of rich Russia (three times !!!), and life expectancy of 84.38 years compared to 70.16 of the same rich Russia, 14 !!! years difference.

                  Quote: bmv04636
                  and China needed ships as the light elves declared their claims to Southeast Asia. And who said that China will have one or you doubt the ability of China to clone

                  Bought to indulge. Let's see how much they stamp them and then we will see how much they need them.

                  PS
                  Which regiment you yourself served in? wink
                  1. bmv04636
                    bmv04636 5 July 2014 16: 34
                    +2
                    professor You are wrong Ukraine as a state after the military coup is not there and then compare the income and life expectancy of Singapore and the outskirts if we compare.
                    You can congratulate you on your first sale now and look at what the much-praised Merkava 4M is suitable for or will stand as monuments.
                    1. Kir
                      Kir 5 July 2014 16: 49
                      +2
                      I apologize for interfering in the conversation, but Ukraine is purely artificial and has no historical justification, let’s say a malignant neoplasm, the question is more likely how much longer will this last even with active support from outside?
                      Yes, and the Ussr say the same from the Union had more than it gave !!!, and the return is mostly due to the additional land, enterprises and the People !!!
                      as the conclusion is always clever with the subscript !!!
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 5 July 2014 17: 02
                      -1
                      Quote: bmv04636
                      professor You are wrong Ukraine as a state after the military coup is not there and then compare the income and life expectancy of Singapore and the outskirts if we compare.

                      Have you understood about poor Singapore and rich Russia? Please contact, I will conduct educational program.
                      Either you write the name of the countries (I’m writing Syria with a capital letter, I write) or you will communicate with the government officials like you.

                      Quote: bmv04636
                      Can I congratulate you on your first sale now and look at what the much-praised Merkava 4M is suitable for or will stand as monuments

                      Are you a troll? Where is there even a word about Merkava in the article? request
                  2. bmv04636
                    bmv04636 5 July 2014 16: 43
                    0
                    A Palestinian teenager, whose body was discovered this week in East Jerusalem, died of burns, BBC News reports. According to a medical examination conducted by Israeli doctors, 16-year-old Mohammad Abu Khdair received burns to 90% of the body surface. The Palestinian prosecutor general said the young man was burned alive. However, Israeli authorities say that the circumstances of the death of Abu Khdair are not yet clear. The body of a 16-year-old Palestinian was discovered on Wednesday, July 2, in East Jerusalem. This happened a few days after the fasting of three Israeli schoolchildren who were missing on June 12 near Hebron in the West Bank. The Israeli authorities believe that they were kidnapped by Hamas militants. However, the group itself says that they have nothing to do with this incident.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 5 July 2014 17: 03
                      +6
                      Quote: bmv04636
                      The body of a 16-year-old Palestinian was discovered on Wednesday, July 2, in East Jerusalem.

                      What does this teenager have to do with this article?
                      1. bmv04636
                        bmv04636 5 July 2014 17: 15
                        -1
                        where where he served about us a joke went and walks -I want to take off, but the eggs interfere. it was not very interesting
                        and a teenager has the same meaning as GDP per capita in the dill of Singapore and the Russian Federation as well as life expectancy
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 5 July 2014 17: 25
                        -2
                        Quote: bmv04636
                        where where he served about us a joke went and walks -I want to take off, but the eggs interfere.

                        So I thought, a sofa fighter. soldier

                        Quote: bmv04636
                        and a teenager has the same meaning as GDP per capita in the dill of Singapore and the Russian Federation as well as life expectancy

                        Quote: bmv04636
                        Ukrainian SSR with a large and the fact that now it is dill or Ukraine as well as poor Singapore dispensed with merci.

                        Singapore you dragged here, and even with the epithet "poor". Have you learned the lesson?

                        And about this teenager for your information, there were rumors in his aul that he was a homosexual. So, most likely, his own relatives crashed. "Kvod mishpaha" is a family honor.

                        Get ready, I’ll stop feeding you soon.
                      3. bmv04636
                        bmv04636 5 July 2014 18: 31
                        +1
                        Do not offend the professor, look at the emblem of the auto troops of the Russian Federation and served next to the country evergreen tomato, or as the poetry spring is more poetically called the year after the academy.
                        But Singapore didn’t have an understanding of the poor, not because of lack of money, but poor how he still managed without מרכבה - a chariot.
                      4. bmv04636
                        bmv04636 6 July 2014 18: 25
                        +1
                        the professor hastened, as always, drew the line without roaring and, as always, were wrong
                        Israeli police arrest suspects in killing a Palestinian teenager from the Shuafat refugee camp in East Jerusalem. As the representative of Israeli law enforcement agencies pointed out, the motives for the crime are nationalist, and ultra-right Jewish activists are suspected of committing it. He refused to provide the press with more details, citing the fact that the investigation into this case has not yet been completed.
                  3. bmv04636
                    bmv04636 5 July 2014 16: 47
                    +2
                    five bison in two runs will transfer the regiment
                  4. Bersaglieri
                    Bersaglieri 6 July 2014 00: 16
                    +1
                    GDP per capita PPP (figures given) is not income. Income is household income per capita. Although, it is worth noting that they correlate well.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 6 July 2014 08: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Bersaglieri
                      GDP per capita PPP (figures given) is not income. Income is household income per capita. Although, it is worth noting that they correlate well.

                      If you insist on the accuracy of the wording, then GDP (gross domestic product) - per capita (PPP) is the gross domestic product per capita. This does not change the essence, but the layman is more understandable. hi
            2. Kus Imak
              Kus Imak 5 July 2014 20: 02
              0
              Quote: bmv04636
              yes admit the professor just does not work. such a ship can go into river deltas and go deep behind enemy lines and land troops where they did not wait. not for nothing was his china at the outskirts of those. documentation bought for southeast asia


              In order that would not work, you need to at least try. I don’t think that anyone here was puzzled by this problem. I think if there is such a need, they will not invest billions of dollars for a dozen ships. They will simply be bought either from the USA or from another manufacturer.
          2. Kus Imak
            Kus Imak 5 July 2014 19: 03
            0
            Quote: professor
            You think by the standards of the Soviet military commanders of the 1950s: the seizure of a bridgehead, gums, marines, etc.

            In military affairs, as in physics, there are certain laws that you can’t go around on a lame mare. The sea landing and the seizure of bridgeheads were not invented by owls. warlords. Marines are widely used in the United States and other countries. The fact that the theme of the Marine Corps is not developed in Israel is simply because it is not developed in our small country, and not because the Marines are not needed in the modern army.


            Quote: professor

            For landing in Lebanon and any other country do not need such ships.


            You said that. In 1982 (or in 1983), the United States used the Marines to land in Lebanon.



            Quote: professor

            The only advantage is the shuttle service from landing ships such as Mistral. And here, as you know, Israel is resting.

            That's it, that Israel is resting on the topic of the development of the Marine Corps. However, Israel does not really need the Mistral. We need small high-speed ships, and on the air. pillow including.
            1. Professor
              Professor 5 July 2014 19: 45
              +2
              Quote: Kus Imak
              The fact that the topic of the Marine Corps is not developed in Israel is simply because it is not developed in our small country, and not because the Marines are not needed in the modern army.

              Do not touch America, there the marines are fighting in the whole, even in the maritime country of Afghanistan.
              But as in a movie on the unprepared coast for a very long time did not land.

              Quote: Kus Imak
              We need small high-speed ships, and on the air. pillow including.

              What to do with them? To Cyprus swear? They do not make sense without a dock ship.

              Quote: Kus Imak
              There is a significant difference between the tasks of the air and marine corps.

              On paper, but in practice, there is no difference between them and the infantry. The last parachuting was carried out 60 years ago. The survivability of hovercraft does not compare with conventional vessels.

              Quote: Kus Imak
              It was almost not at the landing, because we were not going to bring it.

              There is something. At least to land a division from the sea in Gaza. There's no point.

              Before landing in Sidon.



              1. Kus Imak
                Kus Imak 6 July 2014 00: 25
                0
                Quote: professor

                Do not touch America, there the marines are fighting in the whole, even in the maritime country of Afghanistan.


                The fact that the United States used marins instead of mountain infantry does not mean that the marines are not needed.

                Quote: professor

                But as in a movie on the unprepared coast for a very long time did not land.

                What does prepared coast mean? Equipped with sunbeds and fungi from the sun or what? Did you land in Gaza on the prepared coast?


                Quote: professor

                What to do with them? To Cyprus swear? They do not make sense without a dock ship.

                We don’t have aircraft carriers either, so what about aviation? In Russia on the Casp. the sea is a brigade of landing ships on air. pillow, but whether the flotilla includes a ship dock I don’t know. Opposes them the Navy of Iran, where there are also boats on the air. pillow, but I didn’t find any mention of the docking ship?


                Quote: professor

                On paper, but in practice, there is no difference between them and the infantry.

                A very, very, very controversial statement that between air. infantry, marines and infantry units there is no difference. This statement is worthy of a separate discussion, I do not want to skip from one topic to another now.

                Quote: professor

                The last parachuting was carried out 60 years ago. The survivability of hovercraft does not compare with conventional vessels.

                Again, a very controversial statement, because, unlike an ordinary ship, a ship on air. torpedoes do not threaten the pillow (a trifle, right?). In fact, it is more correct to compare the ship on the air. the pillow is not so much with sea vessels, but with air (primarily with a helicopter), since the ship is on air. The airbag is de facto an airborne vehicle traveling at zero altitude. Just like a helicopter, the prepared site for landing is not manly. Its speed is quite comparable to that of a helicopter and not much inferior to it. Ship on air. the pillow, unlike a helicopter, is not threatened by enemy air defense (the coast guard and the Navy are naturally threatened). You can compare for a long time. However, my main idea is that of a ship. on air. A cushion is another, additional useful tool for building an operation, which allows more flexible planning of military operations.
                Surely there are situations in which the use of a ship on air. other airborne delivery vehicles preferred
                It’s good when there is a helicopter and a missile-landing boat, and even better when in addition to them there is also a ship on the air. pillow.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 6 July 2014 08: 42
                  0
                  The fact that the United States used marins instead of mountain infantry does not mean that the marines are not needed.

                  This means that the name remains, and the essence has changed. It’s like cavalry divisions in America, there is a name, but no horses.

                  What does prepared coast mean? Equipped with sunbeds and fungi from the sun or what?

                  Here is what prepared means:

                  or as



                  We don’t have aircraft carriers either, so what about aviation?

                  I see no connection with hovercraft.

                  In Russia on the Casp. the sea is a brigade of landing ships on air. pillow, but whether the flotilla includes a ship dock I don’t know. Opposes them the Navy of Iran, where there are also boats on the air. pillow, but I didn’t find any mention of the docking ship?

                  Well, yes, in the Caspian by inertia there are only a few units of "Jeyran" and "Kalmar", about how many "Zubrs" have already been mentioned. I think how many of them are left and how many are being built speaks much more eloquently about their necessity and effectiveness.

                  There are no ships on the docks. There will be Mistral, there will be a couple of hovercraft shuttles.
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 6 July 2014 23: 39
              0
              "However, Israel really does not need the Mistrals. We need small high-speed ships, including those on an air cushion." ////

              I agree with you. Speed ​​hovercraft would be great
              and to protect the coast, and to land special forces on shore.
              Those boats that are, in terms of speed, are not a gift.
              1. MACCABI TLV
                MACCABI TLV 7 July 2014 11: 20
                -1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Speed ​​hovercraft would be great
                and to protect the coast, and to land special forces on shore.
                Those boats that are, in terms of speed, are not a gift.

                and super yards and shaldag enough for the eyes
          3. Kus Imak
            Kus Imak 5 July 2014 19: 04
            0
            Quote: professor

            However, the reality is that the last time the airborne landing was in a combat situation in 1955, today helicopters can do this very well.

            There is a significant difference between the tasks of the air and marine corps. With all this, again, airborne infantry, when landing from helicopters, does not have the ability to use armored vehicles, Karnaf is needed to transport the Hamers. And he (karnaf) needs to be planted on the runway or on a very well-packed field. This is a completely different level. Using the same ship on the air. the pillow can carry heavier armored vehicles. I did not check, but it seems to me that there are types of ships that can overpower even Ahzarit. Think yourself, how is it more convenient to storm an assault? When are you covered by a sufficient number of heavy armored vehicles or a couple of lightly armored vehicles that are afraid to once again substitute the side under the RPG?
            And all this despite the fact that the vulnerability of helicopters is much higher than ships on air. pillow, and the survival of people after a helicopter and a ship hit on the air. it’s better not to discuss the pillow at all. It is clear that if the ship is on the air. they will fit the pillow, then people can hold out in the water for 15-20 minutes while they are picked up by other vessels. After a helicopter crash, there is usually no one to pick up.



            Quote: professor

            Even Russia, which had the ability to drop armored vehicles, drove it through the tunnel in a column tens of kilometers long, and sent semi-partisan units on the coast with such means of landing.


            So what? And I know that in the last war with Hamas, Israel landed amphibious assault on the Gaza coast and then supported it from the sea. So what is bad if this landing could also be supported by armored vehicles? It was almost not at the landing, because we were not going to bring it.
            1. Professor
              Professor 6 July 2014 08: 43
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              Again, a very controversial statement, because, unlike an ordinary ship, a ship on air. torpedoes do not threaten the pillow (a trifle, right?).

              Of course a trifle. A simple anti-ship missile from a sea or air or coastal carrier (such as a Hezbalon missile) will not damage such a ship, it will destroy it along with equipment and crew. The buoyancy margin there is practically zero, and the speed of 120 km / h does not contribute to survivability. This ship is a nightmare for those who are going to fight for its survivability.

              In fact, it is more correct to compare the ship on the air. the pillow is not so much with sea vessels, but with air (primarily with a helicopter), since the ship is on air. The airbag is de facto an airborne vehicle traveling at zero altitude.

              Let's leave the owl and the globe out of the discussion. An hovercraft is actually a vessel, although with the dynamic principle of maintaining buoyancy, and it should only be compared with ships. And here the comparison is not in his favor. Of the obvious pluses are speed (for which you have to pay dearly), the ability to walk on ice and swamps. Tales about not sensitive to excitement leave for land. Disadvantages, carrying capacity (Even the Bison monster carries only 3 tanks and 140 fighters. How many are there to transfer the brigade?), The high cost of construction and operation, the complexity of maintenance and management (guess why it is the captain who acts as the helmsman?). I wrote an article about American hovercraft, there are many interesting details.

              However, my main idea is that of a ship. on air. A cushion is another, additional useful tool for building an operation, which allows more flexible planning of military operations.

              If only for special forces such as Saeret Matkal, but here I would choose a seaplane or ekranoplan. The ship will also go as a white elephant. on air. pillow, maybe come in handy. Wouldn't the Americans give Israel a pair of LCAC if Zahal asked? wink
              1. bmv04636
                bmv04636 6 July 2014 10: 50
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                Professor, remember how glorious USA marines floundered on the sand like it was on the beaches of Odessa. The coastline, especially with sandy beaches, can be very dangerous and the valiant Merkava can drown right under the top of the head, and the Bison has a great opportunity to deliver a platoon under cover of three tanks on solid ground.
            2. MACCABI TLV
              MACCABI TLV 7 July 2014 11: 30
              -1
              Quote: Kus Imak
              There is a significant difference between the tasks of the air and marine corps.

              and infantry training is the same. smile
              It is not justifiable to maintain M. infantry in a country like ours.
              Quote: Kus Imak
              And I know that in the last war with Hamas, Israel landed amphibious assault on the Gaza coast and then supported it from the sea.

              were these guys from Givati ​​(in the past, an analogue of M.P.), or fighters of sh-13?
      2. bmv04636
        bmv04636 5 July 2014 17: 16
        +1
        and how much professor regiment Merkav eats goryuchki
  6. Samson
    Samson 5 July 2014 15: 29
    +2
    It would be nice to have five pieces for each fleet, five pieces of baht of the Marine Corps will be transferred to two accounts.
  7. Cristall
    Cristall 5 July 2014 18: 30
    +1
    Factory Sea (owned by a Ukrainian businessman) is located in the Crimea.
    I have not heard of orders for the RF Ministry of Defense "Bizons" ... we conclude that the plant itself is fulfilling the Chinese order ... and will again try to survive ...
    Sense to inflate and try to breed professor on srach?
    Or is it such an internet approach?
    1. bmv04636
      bmv04636 5 July 2014 18: 51
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      Well, as promised that all the plants will be occupied to strengthen our unsinkable multi-purpose aircraft carrier Crimea (whoever likes to call it Tauris) we will wait and see, the professors did not want to offend anyone else who would explain everything intelligently.
  8. Observer2014
    Observer2014 6 July 2014 12: 37
    +1
    the ship is a handsome man here even a dispute there is no amerikosy it even in the last science fiction film they shot "Edge of the Future" and Russia needs to buy a dozen more
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 7 July 2014 01: 28
    -1
    I rode a similar one (in its civilian version) between the Greek islands.
    Their Rhodes on Kos seems.
    This Russian factory sold them to Greece several pieces. I like it -
    furious speed, he holds the waves well, really with the breeze!
  10. wizarden
    wizarden 9 July 2014 08: 54
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    Great landing ship. It is strange why we have so few of them and are not going to build.
    1. Shkolnik
      Shkolnik 17 July 2014 14: 55
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      Comrade Professor lucidly explained all the main shortcomings of this unique ship ... He also enlightened himself.
  11. Florist
    Florist 30 July 2014 17: 06
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    I saw them alive) A spectacular sight!