What are you killing us for, we are civilians!

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What are you killing us for, we are civilians!


Lugansk region, 02.07.14. As a result of shelling and air raids in the villages of Lugansk and Staraya Kondrashovka, seven people were killed, including a five-year-old girl, and eight more villagers were injured of varying degrees of severity.

In scenes from the scene of the tragedy, an elderly woman, all in tears, asks the Ukrainian authorities for the camera: “Why are you killing us, we are civilians!”

It will probably be difficult even for the Ukrainian media to call this elderly woman with a characteristic East Ukrainian reprimand and the dead little girl “separatists” and “Russian mercenaries”. But this time too, the stamps were prepared in advance: “They killed themselves”, “Separatists simulated air attack”, “Russians bombed”, etc.

It hurts, but I will try to answer the question of this woman.

The so-called "new Kiev government" has already sold your beautiful arable fertile chernozems and shale gas under them to western (primarily the US) companies. And, apparently, this "bloody contract" includes the cleaning of these lands from unnecessary "biomass." And the contract must be fulfilled, especially since the "deposit" seems to have already been received. Those. just business and nothing personal.

Therefore, residents of the East of Ukraine have four possibilities:
1. Self-destruct and not interfere with "civilized humanity" to rob your resources.
2. Run to Russia and do not interfere with "civilized humanity" to rob your resources.
3. Surrender to the "grace of the winner" and become, as in World War II, "new policemen" with the hope of scraps from the table from "civilized humanity."
4. Pick up weapon and, like your grandfathers, to defend your land or die with honor, protecting it from the new "higher race of the USA" and their Kiev "policemen."

Only here everyone has to make the choice himself.
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  1. +14
    4 July 2014 09: 08
    Punishers! No worse scum than punitive!
    1. Stypor23
      +7
      4 July 2014 09: 12
      Yes, by the way, they were the first to be hung on the ropes, after the end of the Second World War.
      1. +1
        4 July 2014 10: 51
        Quote: Stypor23
        Yes, by the way, they were the first to be hung on the ropes, after the end of the Second World War

        Apparently all the same ropes were not enough! recourse
      2. +2
        4 July 2014 10: 56
        To each "hero" - a rope with bacon (to spread it)! Hang them all exclusively by the eggs.
    2. +5
      4 July 2014 09: 13
      In life, everything is ambiguous, everyone can not be heroes, it has been so at all times. Someone will choose the second or third point.
      1. WKS
        +6
        4 July 2014 09: 25
        Quote: Thought Giant
        The so-called "new Kiev government" has already sold your beautiful arable fertile black soils and the shale gas lying beneath them to Western (primarily the USA) companies.

        And not only is it sold. Sevastopol, which was sold before. Not only chernozems are ready for sale, but all the territories and water areas desired by Amers and Europeans. Will be sold in Rechipospolita along with serfs and servants.
        1. S_mirnov
          +13
          4 July 2014 10: 30
          Quote: wks
          Will be sold in Rechipospolita along with serfs and servants.

          The population of the earth is growing, but the earth is no longer becoming. Therefore, a people who do not want to protect themselves will be destroyed.
          Does anyone have data what percentage of Ukrainians took up arms in order to protect themselves?
          And how many citizens of Russia are ready to defend themselves? And not at the time when the war begins, then it will be too late, but now? Indeed, right now, the Ukrainian scenario is being prepared in Russia.
          The official takes a bribe - everyone is silent. The innocent is sent to prison - everyone is silent. The oligarch grabbed part of state property - everyone is silent. The prosecutor walks with the bandits at the party - everyone is silent. They demolish the ZIL plant - everyone is silent. They carry out privatization - everyone is silent. Diasporas of different colors are becoming impudent - everyone is silent.
          But when they come to kill you - as was the case in Chechnya, citizens will ask - Why didn’t we do anything, are we peaceful people ?!
          It is only a pity that they will kill not only silent cowards, but also those who still or cannot protect themselves, children and the elderly.
          This is the price that will be paid sooner or later for cowardice and indifference to the fate of their own country. And arguments like - but we didn’t know anything, but they didn’t tell us! will not work.
          1. Nina Zima
            +1
            4 July 2014 12: 52
            Comrade General, you are all right. but why go so far? let's start with a simple one. spat in the entrance, everyone is silent. The bus driver smokes, everyone is silent. The old woman does not give way, everyone is silent. At night they shout the guard, kill, everyone is silent! you are being humiliated unfairly, everyone is silent! you should probably start with yourself, and not with others! Oh, and I forgot about the meters on the water. I have meters, and I still pay extra monthly for those who do not pay. the guard is robbed !!! and how to be? item 1. the commander is always right. item 2. if the commander is wrong, read paragraph 1.
            1. S_mirnov
              +1
              4 July 2014 13: 27
              Quote: Nina Zima
              you should probably start with yourself, and not with others!

              A smart excuse for not doing anything and not demanding from others.
              For example, I do not steal, can I now demand that the governors, Serdyukov and Chubais stop stealing?
              And if you return the privatized apartment, cottage plot to the state, how many chances are that Alisher Usmanov will return what was captured during the privatization process?

              Changes in the state begin from above, with the advent of an honest ruler. When changes come from below - this is called a revolution. Also an option, but in a pinch.

              Your position is not to demand anything from others, because it’s not ideal itself does not suit me.
              Nevertheless, this does not relieve everyone of their responsibility for their actions. As they say, We must grow spiritually, otherwise pi ... pepper! smile
      2. 0
        4 July 2014 11: 24
        I agree. But I would like that there would be much fewer options for choosing 2 and 3 than for choosing 4.
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    4. zzz
      zzz
      +3
      4 July 2014 09: 29
      Quote: Morgan
      Punishers! No worse scum than punitive!


      It was not in vain that the Germans recruited them into punitive battalions, precisely these V.Y.R.O.D.K.O.V. - why did their nature create them - brainless and cruel creatures?
    5. +7
      4 July 2014 09: 31
      Therefore, residents of the East of Ukraine have four possibilities:
      1. Self-destruct and not interfere with "civilized humanity" to rob your resources.
      2. Run to Russia and do not interfere with "civilized humanity" to rob your resources.
      3. Surrender to the "grace of the winner" and become, as in World War II, "new policemen" with the hope of scraps from the table from "civilized humanity."
      4. Take up arms and, like your grandfathers, defend your land or die with honor, defending it from the new "superior race of the USA" and their Kiev "policemen".

      Only here everyone has to make the choice himself.


      They agree with 4. The point has long been taken into the hands of weapons, but how much will you fight against the regular army, which has a full range of weapons?
      1. +3
        4 July 2014 09: 54
        Hello Nevsky! I agree with you! Only the list should have included item 5 "Joining with arms to the liberation army of Russia", and then everything will fall into place! But so far, sadly, it turns out that the choice leaves only two alternatives - either to become a slave, or to die! Unfortunately.
        1. +1
          4 July 2014 12: 42
          Quote: Horly
          Only the list should have included clause 5 "Joining with arms to the liberation army of Russia"

          I vote with a plus for the introduction of paragraph 5 ...
      2. +2
        4 July 2014 10: 34
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        They agree with 4. The point has long been taken into the hands of weapons, but how much will you fight against the regular army, which has a full range of weapons?

        If. A friend from Kramatorsk still goes online, so he writes that his high-rise building is closed by other houses and shells do not reach him. And the biggest problem - the TV broke down and he was looking for a new one all day. He cannot live without a TV (his words). And everything that is happening around does not concern him (his words). Like this!
      3. European
        0
        4 July 2014 12: 58
        I’m interested in something else. purely my opinion. without Moscow’s permission, without any guarantees, they wouldn’t start fighting in the south of Ukraine! Everyone understands that without proper weapons they won’t be able to withstand the regular army, with aviation and tanks. the go-ahead was from Moscow. now what? there are many of you in the south, fight for yourselves, it turns out that the plans have changed! and what should they do now?
    6. 0
      4 July 2014 09: 51
      Quote: Morgan
      Punishers! No worse scum than punitive!


      Slaughterhouses do not kill children and civilians.

      Watch from the 50 second how the pig responded to a cry from the session hall of the Verkhovna Zrada ...

      1. 0
        4 July 2014 10: 48
        Lugansk region, 02.07.14. As a result of shelling and air raids in the villages of Lugansk and Staraya Kondrashovka, seven people were killed, including a five-year-old girl, and eight more villagers were injured of varying degrees of severity.

        Actually, a boy died there, not a girl. There is even a photo.
        1. +4
          4 July 2014 11: 02
          Quote: lonely
          Actually, a boy died there, not a girl. There is even a photo.

          Two children died 2x and 5 years. One child died on the spot, the second on the way to the hospital.
          This is the "inconsistency" of the media, everything is very tense ...

          And what's the difference in essence, WHICH CHILD DIED?

          After all, I think it makes no difference which finger is pinched?

          EVERYONE HURTS ALONE ...
          1. +1
            4 July 2014 12: 03
            Quote: Corsair
            Two children died 2x and 5 years. One child died on the spot, the second on the way to the hospital.
            This is the "inconsistency" of the media, everything is very tense ...

            And what's the difference in essence, WHICH CHILD DIED?

            After all, I think it makes no difference which finger is pinched?

            EVERYONE HURTS ALONE ...


            No, what are you talking about? Nobody can justify the death of a child. But the information must be 100% correct in fact. A 5-year-old child was a boy. But I heard about you from a 2-year-old.
            1. 0
              4 July 2014 12: 40
              Quote: lonely
              . But the information should be 100% true in fact.

              To establish the FACTS with infallible 100% accuracy, there will be investigative bodies created to bring war criminals to justice ...
              And the media in any country and in any situation can "screw up" ...
              And in conditions of war, the infallibility of information can generally be said with some stretch ...
  2. +4
    4 July 2014 09: 08
    If residents chose the fourth item, like our grandfathers, then now there would be no such problems.
    1. +1
      4 July 2014 09: 57
      Well, you don’t just want to wishful thinking - see how many people were in occupation ... And then - how many guerrillas were in these territories. Subtract the second from the first and get a considerable figure - it will be in the millions! Just don’t think that I am blaming someone - my mother lived with me in the occupation, because I only sympathize with them and believe that this will not happen again!
    2. -2
      4 July 2014 11: 04
      Quote: _umka_
      If residents chose the fourth item, like our grandfathers, then now there would be no such problems.

      I think so ... Tight visitors would have to be tight ...
  3. +6
    4 July 2014 09: 09
    Everyone chooses for himself - to serve gold or to God ...
  4. +3
    4 July 2014 09: 12
    Without a military operation by the Russian Federation, the situation cannot be changed.
    After a change in the situation - the tribunal.
  5. +7
    4 July 2014 09: 14
    I don’t understand one thing: who are the miners working for now, those who are killing their families?
    1. +2
      4 July 2014 09: 21
      And this is from the Kharkov forum http://www.kharkovforums.com/showthread.php?t=9706&page=8:
      "... Volunteers come to Ghost from all over the former USSR. But the majority are still local. For example, Denis, a young thin guy, lives in Lisichansk. He worked at the mine, but took an indefinite leave and now does not get out of the patrol. , by the way, belongs to the state and still works.
      - Strange, right? We do not pay taxes to Kiev, and they still transfer salaries to us. - Denis was surprised.
      “Do other miners not think to join the militia?” I asked.
      - Many people think, - Denis nodded. - But they can't quit their job. They need to feed their families. Probably, that's why Kiev sends money. If it stops, it will not be a battalion, but an army. "
      1. +2
        4 July 2014 11: 09
        It is logical ... Kiev gives money to the miners - the miners continue to work underground - they continue to dig a grave for the money of Kiev, and in the meantime, the Kiev fascists are already approaching. Is it logical? !!
  6. +4
    4 July 2014 09: 16
    For what they kill. Yes, for the fact that you are RUSSIAN too !!! We to the "enlightened" West are like a bone in the throat.
  7. A40263S
    +3
    4 July 2014 09: 20
    Quote: Boudallino
    I don’t understand one thing: who are the miners working for now, those who are killing their families?

    trying to earn a living from their families, as I understand it, who could (knew how) to fight was already fighting .. maybe there is hopelessness in their hearts - what's the difference who will manage how they didn’t pay and they won’t pay .. somehow they think so? But guess what, they’re not fighting, then they think that it’s not necessary ..
  8. +1
    4 July 2014 09: 21
    “Why are you killing us, we are civilians!”

    The "new Kiev government" has already sold your excellent arable fertile chernozems and the shale gas lying beneath them to Western (primarily the USA) companies.


    In the estimate of the Urkovo government, it goes under the article "no e .... t! Sealed!"
  9. +1
    4 July 2014 09: 25
    A critical situation always answers the question of who is worth what. The only thing is who evaluates his life. And are the lives of thousands of miners hiding in the holes of the lives of one militia who understands that it is better to die in battle for their freedom than to submit to fascist power? But frank shooting at civilians gives an answer to the question of what the new government is worth.
    1. -2
      4 July 2014 11: 15
      Quote: Rurikovich
      A critical situation always answers the question of who is worth what. The only thing is who evaluates his life. And are the lives of thousands of miners hiding in the holes of the lives of one militia who understands that it is better to die in battle for their freedom than to submit to fascist power? But frank shooting at civilians gives an answer to the question of what the new government is worth.

      The worst thing is that if we hold parallels with Russia, then perhaps a very unpleasant discovery awaits us all. I hope that I am mistaken in my fears.
  10. 0
    4 July 2014 09: 28
    Tough but true. Everyone chooses for himself ...
  11. +1
    4 July 2014 09: 36
    The heredity of the banderlogs did not hide for a long time, as Khrushchev and Brezhnev did not appease them!
  12. 0
    4 July 2014 09: 39
    The population of Donbass is about 6 million, even 2 million of them. men who can hold weapons.
    AUUU, YOU where? ON EARNINGS? .. In the Mines? ... In Russia with women and children?

    They were all scared - The miners would stand up to everyone ... while I see only the miners' impotence, they can’t stand up at all.

    In Abkhazia, 80-year-old old men took up arms and fought. Have you settled in noni - Work for the good of the people? .. Everything for the front, everything for victory? It’s just not clear what victory you are working on. UNDERPANTS!
    1. 22Alex
      0
      4 July 2014 11: 42
      they sit in the mines, bombing, waiting for shelling
  13. +7
    4 July 2014 09: 39
    These poor Ukrainians (and they really consider sebch ukrami) do not understand one thing. Their spells will never stop. They will still be destroyed, accusing that they did not fight against the militia! And instead of dying with dignity or (more likely) winning, they will retaliate: why did not Putin protect? And here is the question: if our government would do something similar to what Kiev is doing now, would they come to save us? Someone else's interference (and we are ALIEN for them, no matter who dreamed of themselves) always leads to the expulsion of the "invader" from their territory (even if he came in peace) and procreating against him. Think back to Eastern Europe! Here, on another page, some ladies said that, they say, even the insurgent seven million could not do anything against the guns. They can! SEVEN MILLION PEOPLE will break these tools with their bare hands, because there are a LOT of them! And you simply won't be able to kill even 10 percent. Nobody will mess with the takai crowd. The thing is that Americans, working in Ukraine for many years, have thoroughly studied the mentality of residents of different regions and act on the basis of these data. Let me explain: to arrange such a genocide in the western regions (if, for example, the interests of the United States demanded it) would be shortsighted - the Americans would get a guerrilla war for many years (like we did after World War II). And these people will simply flee to Russia or surrender to Kiev - so long as they do not bomb. So they are bombing.
  14. +3
    4 July 2014 09: 43
    Quote: Boudallino
    I don’t understand one thing: who are the miners working for now, those who are killing their families?

    In-in, I remember two weeks ago they (the miners) walked in a friendly crowd, the "chevoyta" shouted and dispersed, but they also seem to have given parasenk two days to withdraw their troops, or they will do something there. No one knows for two days. are already over?
  15. rereture
    +2
    4 July 2014 09: 46
    There are already so many corpses, including children, shocking shots, that everything has already become hateful and mundane at the same time. It seems to fall into the hands of a weapon, I would kill without hesitation and my hand would not flinch, and nothing would move in my soul.
  16. +1
    4 July 2014 09: 56
    Actually, Crimea, in the State Department’s perspective vision, was supposed to become New California, but everything went wrong, and as a result, Russia was an occupier and Putin was a dictator, with all the ensuing consequences. Obama's personal insult against Putin, for shattered plans and dreams, resulted in this bloody massacre.
  17. Georgich
    0
    4 July 2014 10: 16
    ... they are being killed, and they - for what, we just want to live in peace - and the miners can finally be tin and say nothing.
  18. emotion
    -8
    4 July 2014 10: 27
    I still can’t understand why people are dying there:
    - for living in Russia? isn’t it easier to move
    - for living in New Russia? strange, a month ago you didn’t even know about any new Russia, and now, for its sake, are you ready to kill you, your children or your parents? Is the fantasy pay big?
    - just not to live in Ukraine? isn't it easier again to move to another country?
    they’ll answer me right now, they say, Bandera ... fascists ... our grandfathers fought ... in Ukrainian textbooks it is called vm ...
    But what if our grandfathers did, and what difference does it make in textbooks? Communists and the NKVD dispossessed, imprisoned, exiled, tortured and killed among millions of Russians of their grandfathers and great-grandfathers, and now they are in power, led by the kgbesh leader. and Russian history textbooks to national minorities should not be read at all, so as not to increase ethnic hatred.
    so let’s arrange a civil war, smash everything to pieces, and die in one day.
    1. 0
      4 July 2014 12: 19
      We will slightly change the first question: - Why are people killed there?
      And your subsequent questions, lose relevance and acquire the meaning of shit.
      1. emotion
        0
        4 July 2014 20: 11
        acquire

        back to school, finish my studies.
  19. +6
    4 July 2014 10: 38
    probably in the subject. so everything is correctly said.
  20. +1
    4 July 2014 10: 45
    Well, they correctly wrote here that an outsider will always be unwanted, whether he will come to kill or save. And we are still strangers to them, foreigners. Probably Kharkovites are releasing tanks into battle so that their army fights with foreigners. And here it’s not even about money. We’re just used to not sharing us and them, but they’ve always clearly divided. And now, if you look from their point of view, strangers who constantly climb to them with help, then with advice, decided to intervene in their internal showdowns. A simple example from the household. A downed neighbor (padded jacket) intervenes in your family quarrel. This is probably the closest analogue. We just have a different mindset, an attitude towards someone else's life. Europe for centuries delightedly cut each other, read the story. For them, cutting out the population of a couple of cities is nothing at all. And I think that they simply do not understand what we find so terrible in the fact that the capital is carving rebellious slaves from the periphery.
    1. 0
      4 July 2014 11: 05
      Quote: Zomanus
      strangers who constantly climb to them with help, then with advice, decided to intervene in their internal showdowns.

      This is so competently "hammered" into their consciousness that it is impossible to dispute! NLP brainwashing in action, and we too, by the way.
  21. +3
    4 July 2014 11: 18
    Quote: noliemotion
    I still can’t understand why people are dying there:

    So you are not quite smart, then you ...
    1. emotion
      0
      4 July 2014 11: 26
      well answer this question, wiseacre laurels fool , only without demagoguery
  22. 0
    4 July 2014 11: 25
    ALL ALL !!! Please note: residents and militias of the SE no longer ask for the entry of Russian troops ... Hatred of the ukrofashist regime is growing, who can only smash embassies, fire with artillery and aircraft, jump and jump ... where is that "BROOM" capable of sweeping this garbage from historical space ... "DEATH TO Fascist Invaders" YOUR CONCLUSIONS, I HOPE FOR THE INPUT OF PEACEKEEPERS ... TOMORROW WILL BE LATE
    While the shame of the Russian Federation, and tomorrow and the shame and war ... according to Churchill
  23. 22Alex
    +1
    4 July 2014 11: 40
    Vita Savitskaya
    The little "separatist" is sleeping ...
    Putting your hand under the cheek ...
    And in the sky - noise, and din, and whistle ...
    And that's all - not for fun ...
    He sleeps, but sleep explodes fear ...
    So the expanse of the river blows up a stone ...
    Everything in this childhood dream is not so ...
    And he presses closer to his mother ...
    How does he know that he ...
    Long ago registered as a "terrorist" ...
    What is calculated and condemned ...
    For fear and for ... a possible shot ...
    That he is deprived of rights and he must ...
    Living in a dark and damp basement ...
    And don't worry about the UN ...
    There is a game, and he is banned ...
    The little "separatist" is sleeping ...
    Putting your hand under the cheek ...
    And in the sky - noise, and thunder, and whistle ...
    And that's all - not for fun ...
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  27. 0
    4 July 2014 12: 07
    Why are they killing us Russians? For what we think in RUSSIAN, remember and honor our history and culture, speak in RUSSIAN, educate our children and grandchildren in RUSSIAN. Because we are strong. Because we are RUSSIAN and we will always remember and keep it! soldier
  28. -2
    4 July 2014 12: 21
    Quote: noliemotion
    I still can’t understand why people are dying there:

    And you will never understand. Because you and your kindred have a homeland where they will give more rations. You have no roots. People like you have no future. You will self-destruct in your universal hatred. And the future belongs to those who are pouring blood for their land, faith and relatives!
    1. emotion
      0
      4 July 2014 20: 07
      homeland where more rations will be given

      look at spring reports from the Crimea, where all the Crimean arguments about reuniting with Russia began with patriotic nonsense, and eventually rolled down to rations - grandmothers dreamed about the Russian pension, the warriors and trash who went to the service of the Russian Federation, about a lot of money.
      and I’m a commerce, I don’t get a penny from the state, so you can push public sector employees and any public servants to solder about soldering.
      And about my homeland, my mother is a native of Kramatorsk, my cousin lives in Gorlovka, I have been to the Donetsk region dozens of times. I have never heard of any Novorossiya there, they always had "here in Ukraine, you have there in Russia."
      and suddenly, for no reason, all this mess, neither Hitler, nor the Martians attacked, no one drove anyone off the ground, do you need to shed blood on the fig?
  29. +3
    4 July 2014 12: 33
    Quote: Eragon
    A friend from Kramatorsk still goes online, so he writes that his high-rise building is closed by other houses and shells do not reach him. And the biggest problem - the TV broke down and he was looking for a new one all day. He cannot live without a TV (his words). And everything that is happening around does not concern him (his words).

    And he probably wants to know on TV that he has become a slave?
  30. Rusin Dima
    0
    4 July 2014 12: 35
    Every word to a point and nothing to add
  31. Solovyov
    +1
    4 July 2014 12: 48
    Appeal of militias to the Ukrainian paratroopers
  32. Roshchin
    0
    4 July 2014 13: 55
    The fascists are not killing for something, but because they are fascists. At the same time, they want to bind as many soldiers as possible for the war, so that there is no turning back, trying to turn the majority of the population into an obedient, dumb mass ready to stupidly kill and also stupidly and dutifully go to the slaughter themselves, thinking that Putin is to blame. No negotiations, notes and other talking things can not be changed. The next object of mass killings should be Russia. It's time to beat the enemy on its territory.
  33. Argyn-suindyk
    +1
    4 July 2014 14: 03
    Merge militias!
  34. 0
    4 July 2014 14: 47
    As they say, it remains to pray!
    http://vk.com/strelkov_info
    Bulletins from Strelkova Igor Ivanovich
    04.06.14/14/03. XNUMX:XNUMX. Message from a source in the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    "The air defense calculations of the air defense missile system on the border with Ukraine are put on full alert to provide a no-fly zone over the Luhansk and Donetsk regions."
    PS Everything is ready. Now it all depends on one order from Putin.

    And yet, somewhere there was information that in Borispol "under steam" there are several VIP boards, the crews are not allowed to leave the territory. Is the junta going to skedaddle?
  35. 0
    4 July 2014 18: 27
    The smokescreen is cool, and everything is simpler than a steamed turnip: no one in the West needs Ukraine, let alone Donbass, mines are needed, but not for coal mining, but in order to bury nuclear waste from all over the West. The Donbass mines are very deep (well, at least take Yasinovataya-super deep about 1500 m.) Why not a nuclear waste disposal site? You will soon see the reaction to my comment. and then everyone will become clear who and why all this "muddied" in Ukraine! The funny thing is that in Poland there is already a train with nuclear weapons for Ukraine! think that the West will admit its meanness!

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