Losses of the Ukrainian Air Force: on the verge of disaster

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Since the beginning of the so-called the anti-terrorist operation in the eastern regions of Ukraine, the armed forces and the National Guard of this country began to suffer losses. Yielding to the enemy in the number of fighters, armaments and equipment, the militia of the unrecognized Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics successfully defends and destroys enemy manpower and equipment. At the same time, part of the military equipment goes to the militias as trophies. Over the past few months, the “anti-terrorist operation” has been using aviation. As in the case of other equipment of the Ukrainian troops and armed groups, the militia of the LPR and DPR successfully destroy enemy aircraft and helicopters from time to time.



Unfortunately, the overall information surrounding the current conflict is extremely complex. Information about losses is fragmentary. For example, the militia regularly declare downed aircraft and submit photos or videos with evidence. The new Kiev authorities, in turn, actively deny the facts of destruction of equipment. Nevertheless, the "anti-terrorist operation" continues and both sides of the conflict continue to lose people and equipment.

Let's try to determine the loss of Ukrainian aviation in the current conflict. We will use the Aviation Safety Network database as the main source of information. This service collects information on various accidents and is considered one of the most authoritative sources of information on this topic. An important feature of the Aviation Safety Network service is the simultaneous operation of two databases - the ASN Aviation Safety Database and the ASN Aviation Safety WikiBase. Replenishment first engaged in service editors. To include in it the incident must be confirmed by several sources. The second base is available for editing by the general public. To new records in it also rely to bring sources of information. Some of the entries from WikiBase later fall into the main Database.

In the main database of the ASN Aviation Safety Database at the moment there are only four records of incidents with Ukrainian aircraft that happened this year:

- On April 25, during the shelling of the airfield in the city of Kramatorsk, the An-2 private aircraft (registration number UR-ABAB) was destroyed in the parking lot. The plane at the time of the incident was unmanned and passengers;

- On May 26, during the battle for the airport in Donetsk, the Yak-40 passenger aircraft (UR-MMK registration number) owned by Constanta Airlines was destroyed. The plane was parked without a crew and passengers;

- June 6 near the village Drobyshevo in the north of the Donetsk region was shot down from the ground by the An-30B reconnaissance aircraft (the tail number "80 yellow"). Of the eight crew members, five were killed;

- 14 June, several kilometers from the airport of Lugansk, while approaching with a fire, the Il-76MD military transport aircraft (b / n 76777) was shot down from the ground. On board the aircraft were 9 crew members, 40 fighters of the armed forces of Ukraine and several armored vehicles. The crash killed all 49 people on the plane.

According to the ASN Aviation Safety Base WikiBase, the first case of an attack by a Ukrainian plane militia took place on April 22. From this day to the present, a total of 17 entries have appeared in WikiBase, not counting the four incidents recorded in the main base and the three incidents that occurred outside the combat zone. The following accidents were recorded in the user-populated base:

- On April 22, during an reconnaissance flight over the city of Slavyansk, an An-30B Ukrainian Air Force plane was fired (w / o "80 yellow"). The plane was damaged and went for a forced landing. One crew member was injured. After a minor overhaul, the damaged aircraft returned to service and was hit by 6 June;

- On April 25, during the battle for the airfield in the city of Kramatorsk, the Mi-8 helicopter (w / o "55 yellow") of the Ukrainian Air Force was destroyed in the parking lot. In the cabin of the car was one pilot who managed to save. The helicopter can not be restored;

- May 2 near Slavyansk damaged Mi-8MT helicopter (w / o "69 yellow"). No one was hurt, the damaged car was able to return to the base;

- May 2 militiamen from Slavyansk used MANPADS against a Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopter (b / n “02 yellow”). The rocket successfully hit the target, the helicopter crashed to the ground. On board were three pilots, none of them survived;

- On the same day, another Mi-24 (b / n "14 yellow") was destroyed by militia from Slavyansk using MANPADS. Two pilots died, the third was captured;

- On May 5, a Mi-24P helicopter (w / o “29 Red”) was hit by fire from the ground near Slavyansk. The crew made a forced landing and was evacuated by the Ukrainian military. The condition of the damaged car after landing is unknown, but it was left in place and soon destroyed with the help of the Su-25 attack aircraft;

- May 29 near the village of Andreevka near Slavyansk militia shot down a Mi-8МТ helicopter (w / o "16 yellow"), which belonged to the National Guard. Of the 13 people aboard, 12 died. The only survivor was seriously injured and captured;

- June 3 under Slavic fire from the ground was damaged Mi-24VP helicopter (w / o "10 yellow"). The pilots put the wrecked car and were evacuated from the landing site. A little later it became known that the Ukrainian military had managed to take the helicopter from the landing site and send it in for repair;

- June 4 under Slavyansk was damaged by another Mi-24 (w / o "91 yellow"). The helicopter made an emergency landing, the pilots were evacuated. 5 June, Ukrainian media reported that preparations were under way for the evacuation of the damaged car, but on the same day the DPR militia shot the damaged helicopter from a BMD-2 gun;

- also 4 of June near Slavyansk by means of MANPADS was shot down by Mi-24P (w / o “25 red”). The pilots were burned, but were saved. After a forced landing, the helicopter completely burned down;

- The third Ukrainian helicopter that came under attack on 4 June was the Mi-24P (w / o "15 yellow"). After firing from anti-aircraft artillery, the damaged helicopter made an emergency landing. The pilots were not injured and were evacuated. The helicopter was taken from the scene the next day;

- June 5 near Slavyansk was attacked by a Mi-8 helicopter (b / n unknown). It is reported that the car made an emergency landing. Information about the wounded or dead is missing;

- 14 June, while attacking a missile-bombing attack on targets in the city of Gorlovka (DPR), the Su-25 attack aircraft (b / n unknown) was shot down. The pilot successfully ejected, the plane crashed;

- June 24 while trying to take off from Mount Karachun near Slavyansk with the help of artillery, the Mi-8 helicopter was shot down (w / o "63 yellow"). On board the car there were 9 people and various loads. When the helicopter fell, the crew and passengers died;

- July 1 militia fired from anti-aircraft artillery attack aircraft Su-25 (b / n unknown). Despite the damage, the pilot was able to return the car to the airfield;

- also 1 July near the village of Lugansk (LNR), a Su-27 fighter was shot down from the ground by fire (unknown w / n). Two pilots managed to eject. The plane fell to the ground and burned down;

- July 2 on the territory of the unrecognized DNR was seriously damaged bomber Su-24 (b / n unknown). The militia attacked him with MANPADS and damaged one of the two engines. On the remaining engine, the aircraft returned to its aerodrome. After landing, the fire started, but the Ukrainian military managed to cope with it.

Thus, during the so-called. The anti-terrorist operation of the Ukrainian Air Force suffered serious losses. According to the ASN Aviation Safety Database and ASN Aviation Safety WikiBase, from April to the beginning of July, Ukraine lost four aircraft of several types during the fighting. Three times the aircraft was damaged, and one of the damaged (An-30B, b / n "80 yellow") after repair was again attacked and destroyed. Even greater losses suffered helicopters Ukrainian Air Force. Eight helicopters were destroyed, four more helicopters received various damage and can be repaired. In total, about 80 people died.



It should be noted that the Ukrainian Air Force suffers losses not only during the fighting. Over the past few months, the Ukrainian military has lost two strike aircraft outside the war zone:

- 21 of March at the airfield of Starokonstantinov (Khmelnitsky region) bomber Su-24M crashed while landing after a training flight. The crew ejected, no one was hurt on the ground;

- July 2 during landing at the airport in Dnepropetrovsk crashed attack aircraft Su-25 (b / n "25 blue"). The pilot managed to eject, but the aircraft cannot be restored. The cause of the incident could be a malfunction of the control system.

Over the past months, the Ukrainian Air Force suffered serious losses. In total, under different circumstances, they lost:

- 1 reconnaissance An-30B;
- 1 military transport Il-76MD;
- 3 Mi-8 helicopter of various modifications;
- 5 Mi-24 helicopters of various modifications;
- 1 bomber Su-24;
- 2 attack aircraft Su-25.

At first glance, the Ukrainian Air Force lost not so much equipment. However, in the light of the state of this type of armed forces, the losses look much more serious. So, in mid-March, and. Minister of Defense of Ukraine Igor Tenyukh presented a report on the state of the air forces. According to the. the heads of the military department, at that time, the Ukrainian Air Force had 507 combat aircraft and a 121 attack helicopter. At the same time, only 15% of this technology is intact and can fly. Moreover, due to poor training, no more than 10% crews can perform combat missions.

From the report of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine it followed that only 50 airplanes and 10-12 military helicopters could participate in the battles. This means that 13 planes and helicopters destroyed by the militia make up approximately 20% of the combat-ready fleet of the Ukrainian Air Force. Taking into account 6 airplanes and helicopters damaged and under repair, the total losses of the Ukrainian military aviation reach approximately 30% of the fleet.

In mid-June, the new Ukrainian government announced even more shocking figures. According to Tatyana Chornovol, the Commissioner for Anti-Corruption Policy, at that time only 10 helicopters in use remained in the Air Force ranks. In addition, 26 helicopters were rented by some private company, which has not yet returned them.

As we can see, the air forces of Ukraine fully felt the consequences of the ill-conceived and sometimes criminal policy of the past decades. Permanent savings on their own army led to the fact that in the already small number of air forces only a few percent of aircraft and helicopters remained combat-ready. In addition, the constant reduction in defense spending has seriously affected the training of personnel. As a result, the Ukrainian Air Force cannot organize competent actions against the militias and suffer serious losses.

According to reports, the DPR and LNR militia has at its disposal various anti-aircraft artillery mounts (primarily ZU-23), as well as portable missile systems. This allows fighters of the unrecognized republics to protect their cities from air attacks and regularly destroy enemy aircraft or helicopters. July 2 video appeared, according to the description of which the militia of the Lugansk People’s Republic now has an Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system.

To date, the militia has acquired a fairly wide range of anti-aircraft weapons. Therefore, it is already clear that the Ukrainian Air Force during the “anti-terrorist operation” will continue to suffer losses. The exact number of aircraft and helicopters that will be destroyed over the DPR and the LPR is not yet known. However, it is clear that these losses can turn into a real catastrophe. Militiamen are capable of not only seriously complicating the situation of Ukrainian military aviation, but also completely destroy the fleet of vehicles still capable of carrying out combat missions.


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  1. +73
    4 July 2014 09: 33
    They will surely be given Soviet free-pile weapons. Former Warsaw Pact countries will do anything to amer lick nicer. Canadians seem to already want to give the decommissioned F-18s. The West will fight with Russia until the last crest. Alas, this is so.
    1. +27
      4 July 2014 09: 56
      Already purchased in Romania and Hungary ... Flight crews are recruited from Croats and Romanians.
      1. +43
        4 July 2014 10: 30
        Quote: kaa_andrey
        Already purchased in Romania and Hungary ... Flight crews are recruited from Croats and Romanians.

        But you need to publicly hang a thread of a Romanian pilot, and show on YouTube. So that others might be discouraged. They are fighting for grandmothers, they are on the drum for ukronatsikov and their ideas
        1. +8
          4 July 2014 11: 52
          Romanians, Hungarians were not taken prisoner in the Second World War ...
          1. +16
            4 July 2014 12: 15
            I heard about the Hungarians and their habits, about the Romanians - here:
            1. +25
              4 July 2014 13: 48
              Quote: Moore
              I heard about the Hungarians and their habits, about the Romanians - here:

              My father went through three years of war. For the Hungarians and Slovaks, neither father nor mother, she was in occupation for 4 years, they never spoke good. As they said, the bastards were still those. But for the Romanians they said that they didn’t see more thieving and mean people .Mom said that in their village a German commandant beat a Romanian officer and his soldiers for taking cows and goats from local residents. Moreover, this was not just once. I certainly understand that the Germans themselves also needed cows and goats, but the fact It remains a fact. And when the father, as part of the army, was advancing in Romania, he didn’t see such poverty what he saw there, he said.
              1. Snipe
                +5
                4 July 2014 18: 38
                The way it is
                1. +4
                  4 July 2014 20: 52
                  hi
                  Few people know, but in Ukraine the SBU is starting to arrest people who simply appear on the Internet as personal correspondence, comments against or criticism of the Kiev authorities ...
                  1. +2
                    4 July 2014 21: 47
                    Quote: Apologet.Ru
                    Few people know, but in Ukraine the SBU is starting to arrest people who simply appear on the Internet as personal correspondence, comments against or criticism of the Kiev authorities ...

                    Well, so! ... New order!
              2. +13
                4 July 2014 19: 10
                such poverty as they saw there, in his words he did not see anywhere.


                In 1993, the picture has not changed.
                Transit followed from Serbia. Well, poverty! Our "seven" flew, overtaking everyone on the highway at a speed of 65 km / h. Faster - the state of the track did not give. Romanians in their "Dachia" squeezed 45-50, trucks kept 40.
                I saw so many crippled beggars in films about the dark Middle Ages. A brigade of beggars: 5-6 children, 1,5-2 years old, with a placard around their necks (they cannot speak) and a foreman with a stick, 5 years old. An old man wearing a hat as in Vyalik's photo and a woolen polto. And he is wearing pants - blue "family" underpants, knee-length, and below - trousers from a sheet. There I saw live plywood suitcases familiar from stories. With rope handles, freshly painted, NEW! For the first time I saw peasants plowing on cows (with udders). In general, I returned to Russia full of pride and great-power chauvinism. And he began to harshly cut off conversations like "this country ... must be dumped ..."
                And for the pilots from Romania - are they there? Can they still fly? They have been abbreviated for a long time.
                1. +1
                  5 July 2014 03: 01
                  He himself worked in the Air Force as a civilian specialist. I know if the pilot does not fly then this is not a pilot
              3. vkrav
                +2
                4 July 2014 21: 29
                Quote: Wyalik
                For Hungarians and Slovaks

                In the Crimea, the Germans held the Slavic Roughla Division ("fast" means) so half of the Slovaks fled to the partisans with weapons, for which their remnants were taken out of the Crimea. And the Romanians were not really taken prisoner, since their officers loved to mock the prisoners. and the working qualities of the Romanians Manstein, it seems, said: "They cook mamalyga for 4 hours, eat it for 4 hours, and rest for 4 hours after dinner" (c) But bullets from Mannlicher's rifles (that's what they call Romanians) are still finding a hell of a lot.
              4. Erg
                0
                6 July 2014 09: 41
                Romanians, in my opinion, are of the same blood as gypsies ... I don’t remember any outstanding Romanian personality (I'm talking about science and culture).
            2. 0
              5 July 2014 01: 15
              Quote: Moore
              about Romanians - here:

              wassat And one more thing:
          2. +5
            4 July 2014 15: 11
            Quote: air wolf
            Romanians, Hungarians were not taken prisoner in the Second World War ...

            They took and how they took! Especially Romanians! In the Donbass during the Second World War there were most of the Romanians and Italians, the Germans exercised general leadership. My parents told me that the Romanians and Italians were very loyal to the population, they did not allow atrocities. When the Donbass was liberated in 1943, the "allies" surrendered in droves, the Germans were forced to remove them from the front and replace them with their own. Italians and Romanians as warriors - none, my classmates, who participated in the peacekeeping mission in Yugoslavia, confirmed this to me, where the Romanians and Italians were engaged exclusively in logistics! request
          3. 0
            5 July 2014 02: 57
            I completely agree. Aspomnim Stalingrad
        2. +20
          4 July 2014 12: 35
          That's what bothers me, they tell us about the disastrous state of the Ukrainian economy. About how much money she lost by refusing to cooperate with the Russian Federation, that Ukraine was bankrupt, etc. etc. Where is Zin's money from?

          I called relatives in Ukraine (I’m worried, maybe I should help), they say that Pensions are paid (!) And on time (!). ZP give on time (!) And so I realized that the government fulfills social obligations (I will explain in central Ukraine). clearly and on time. Plus, we all understand that war is a costly affair. Where does Zin come from?

          Something ours is not negotiating with us. Personally, I thought that we were not directly interfering in the conflict in the hope that they themselves would just bend over and a riot would begin throughout Ukraine. I do not observe trends towards this. Then what are we hoping for? At this rate, pressure on the SE will only increase. Winters wait? since the main consumers of gas are just in the southeast, their authorities do not mind.
          In short, I do not fit information.

          Shl. at one time Leontyev in the program "However" before the culmination of the "Crimean issue" took and authoritatively declared, "That no one will say anything" and that everything will be normal. And it was so convincing that personally I was completely calm, or maybe my intuition was just calm.
          I mean, at least they hinted something, what to expect. Should I evacuate my grandfather or not? The move for him is like death, and leave ... but hope for what?
          1. +7
            4 July 2014 12: 54
            Quote: Muadipus
            they would have hinted what to expect.


            The war waited and now wait for its long continuation ....
            As for the numbers (30%) DESTROYED equipment. somewhat wrong. Ukraine turned out to be surprisingly capable of restoring its old technology. little by little riveting ... and the loss so far - that a drop in the ocean ... another thing is flyers ... and there are few of them, and it is dangerous ... the junta will solve the issue at the expense of "geese" ... very expensive. but they find money until ...
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +7
              4 July 2014 14: 41
              Quote: Chen
              As for the numbers (30%) of the DESTROYED technique. somewhat wrong.


              Let me disagree with you, because depending on what to count.
              the author, in my opinion, is right, because. if we take from the calculation of running and combat-ready (for example, on the Su-24m, of which there were only 5-6 pieces). then the loss of 2 just "intermeddle" in 30%.

              Quote: Chen
              . Ukraine was surprisingly capable of restoring its old equipment. rivet little by little.


              I completely agree here, +! Nikolaev ARZ only this year made 5 CWRs on the Su-24M and MR and 4 more Su-24Ms now ... they are "restoring", since there are no problems with the "donors". and Decisions of the developer's KB .. who needs it "fuck".
              Transported to ARZ by conveyors.
              Zaporizhzhya and Lviv ARZs are also working with might and main.



              Quote: Chen
              .other matter is flyers ... and few of them, and dangerous


              For that amount of equipment .. quite enough .. and the breaks ... the same will be restored .. it would be on what .. although on March 21 the squadron commander allowed a "progressing goat" to land (usually this is corrected in the first year .. where- then at the end of the export program) .. this is how many years he did not fly at all ??? wassat

              And in combat use ... since they throw in squares ... such an impression is that in the good old way (two hoods are taken out), and for the Su-24 with 1000 meters. The speed of the 800-toe LDPE closed the target and .. throw .. somewhere you get it .. especially if a series with a minimum interval or a salvo of 2.4.6.8.
              For such a goal as a village or a city ... it will not overshoot (the frames of destruction have all been seen) am

              1. stranik72
                +5
                4 July 2014 19: 00
                There are serious problems with repairs (SU-24, SU-25, Su-27), in terms of engines and BO, especially with sights. In a word, it is not possible to produce a high-quality CWR with them; they can assemble one limited serviceable aircraft from 3 aircraft. But at one time we left enough of them in some republics of the former USSR, now emissaries dart around and try to buy everything that is possible, especially CI. For helicopters, almost a full cycle of repairs is established, if only Lugansk was blocked by ARZ (it is the only one in Ukraine) who repairs the main gearboxes for MI, plus KI for repairing units of the support system and transmission, NV and RV blades only Russia with proper organization of work with suppliers, they will not have enough aviation resources for a long time, I think with tension (by helicopters) 3-5 sorties per day, no more than a month even without anti-air defense. Everything else can only be provided by sponsors from the "former".
              2. 0
                5 July 2014 01: 27
                Quote: vaf
                allowed a "progressive goat" to land

                There, on the 2nd photo, a soldier next to the plane of the "progressive goat" performs or proves that he is not a mosk @ l?
          2. VAF
            VAF
            +4
            4 July 2014 14: 26
            Quote: Muadipus

            I called relatives in Ukraine (I’m worried, maybe I should help), they say that Pensions are paid (!) And on time (!). ZP give on time (!) And so I realized that the government fulfills social obligations (I will explain in central Ukraine). clearly and on time.


            I agree, +! In "Dnepr" the same remained .. "some young relatives", thank God, I managed to get my parents out. They left the grandchildren with powers of attorney to receive pensions.
            While everything is being paid on time. True, new receipts have arrived .. a slight shock and the prices are "twig" by leaps and bounds, but in general ... at least in the Dnieper everything works in the evenings. As in the good old days ... "booze" and "partying".
            On the waterfront, the taverns are all full.

            Quote: Muadipus
            I mean, at least they hinted something, what to expect. Should I evacuate my grandfather or not? The move for him is like death, and leave ... but hope for what?


            It was necessary to do this a long time ago. and now ... I don’t even know what to advise request
            1. +1
              5 July 2014 03: 09
              to whom war and to whom mother is dear
          3. +3
            4 July 2014 15: 18
            Quote: Muadipus
            claim that Pensions are paid (!) and on time (!). ZP give on time (!)

            I confirm! Although not quite on time and on time! I am in the Central Donbass. Pensions and salaries to state employees are paid with a delay of a week to two! Workers of enterprises do not see the full salary from the month of January! They give out UAH 1000-1500 so that the pants do not fall. Since April, some enterprises have not seen salaries at all ...
          4. +8
            4 July 2014 18: 50
            We have highly developed black cash. A lot of gray schemes, etc. Well, you work with bank transfer, when you have nowhere to go. But there are other gaps, of course. Taxes are collected, you can’t get anywhere. They cut all allowances, length of service, etc. If the brow had salaries. 100d naked, with all the premiums turned out to be about 300 and above. Now bare 100d. stayed. The Treasury pays almost no one for the work done. Wait, they say .... Do the work and pay later. Maybe .... Plus summer. Cottages, gardens, grub from the bush and the ground. This is where the money comes from. And official statistics show little. Due to cash and we survive. Plus inertia. But since June there has already been a strong slowdown in activity. Everything slowly stops. People buy only the most necessary. The car market has become. Today he was driving from Chuguev to Kharkov, stopped near the road to buy milk from grannies. So I was almost torn so that I would at least buy something else, such as potatoes or cucumbers. This has not happened before, so that they grab hold of the hands. By the way, tankers are constantly going to the side of Raisins and helicopters are chasing on a shaver. In the fall we are waiting for a furry animal to visit.
          5. +2
            4 July 2014 18: 50
            We have highly developed black cash. A lot of gray schemes, etc. Well, you work with bank transfer, when you have nowhere to go. But there are other gaps, of course. Taxes are collected, you can’t get anywhere. They cut all allowances, length of service, etc. If the brow had salaries. 100d naked, with all the premiums turned out to be about 300 and above. Now bare 100d. stayed. The Treasury pays almost no one for the work done. Wait, they say .... Do the work and pay later. Maybe .... Plus summer. Cottages, gardens, grub from the bush and the ground. This is where the money comes from. And official statistics show little. Due to cash and we survive. Plus inertia. But since June there has already been a strong slowdown in activity. Everything slowly stops. People buy only the most necessary. The car market has become. Today he was driving from Chuguev to Kharkov, stopped near the road to buy milk from grannies. So I was almost torn so that I would at least buy something else, such as potatoes or cucumbers. This has not happened before, so that they grab hold of the hands. By the way, tankers are constantly going to the side of Raisins and helicopters are chasing on a shaver. In the fall we are waiting for a furry animal to visit.
            1. +1
              5 July 2014 02: 22
              Quote: vvkroxa
              It wasn’t like this before

              In those penates that were, maybe not, but two years ago I was traveling from the Crimea by train, so in Melitopol (it seems) 3 melons per hundred Russian, I thought they would tear apart, except for jokes. I took it already without choosing, but I’m a peasant under 100 kilos and not cowardly, but I was really demoralized. Hope and hopelessness - that is what I saw in the eyes of those people then. And I was not surprised by the outcome of spring 2014 for the Crimea, what did Ukraine do for him? I traveled around the coast, everywhere the devastation of the Soviet heritage. Yalta? Set up, yes, for whom? and who? Dirty water on the central beach, cigarette butts, banks ... And that was the face of the resort
          6. +5
            4 July 2014 19: 34
            Quote: Muadipus
            They claim that Pensions are paid (!) and on time (!). ZP give on time (

            To print money a lot of mind is not necessary
          7. +11
            4 July 2014 20: 25
            The same opinion. In my Luhansk region my nephew works as a miner. He brought his family to Russia. He returned and works in the mine. At my suggestion to come with my family to me, I thanked and said, the family is safe, and I have 3.5 years left until retirement, I do not want to lose, I will finalize. I'm in stupor. I don’t understand anything at all. They tell us on TV that tanks go to the city of Krasnodon, and they work in the mine. In general, what’s going on there is no longer clear.
            1. +1
              6 July 2014 12: 04
              that’s why Putin doesn’t send troops. because in the Donbass still stupid miners continue to work for those who bomb their cities.
              in Sevastopol in 2-3 days in February all payments to Kiev were completely stopped. all taxes and income went to the city budget.
          8. 0
            5 July 2014 03: 05
            Crimea Sevastopol and so on is primarily the base of the Navy. This is the Russian presence on the Black Sea and the eternal war with the Turks. Learn the story of a young man
          9. -1
            5 July 2014 16: 47
            Don’t worry, everything is really fine with us. The right sector doesn’t run around the streets and doesn’t eat babies. By the way, I have never seen them and if your TV hadn’t even suspected their existence. Of course there are problems, but they are problems: were, are and will be.
            1. 0
              5 July 2014 22: 30
              Quote: Motors1991
              The right sector does not run along the streets and does not eat babies.

              They all hang out in Kiev and Slavyansk
              And we don’t fantasize about babies, unlike you
              1. +1
                6 July 2014 15: 22
                In Kiev, they may hang out, but near Slavyansk you won’t find them, because the pravoseki are ordinary provocateurs and put up with them, I think, until the war ends, and then the very fastest ones are shot, like the same Muzychko, the rest themselves run away.
            2. sleepy
              +1
              6 July 2014 03: 13
              Quote: Motors1991
              "Don't worry, we're really fine.
              The right sector does not run around the streets and does not eat babies. "


              "Good uncles and aunts" are running.

              From the Internet.
              "Cases of missing people have become more frequent in Ukraine
              The following message is distributed on social networks:
              Attention of parents !!!
              I ask for the maximum repost !!! Appeal to the Lugansk, Donetsk People's Republics, Kharkov, Odessa regions of Ukraine.
              In the chaos of current events, we ceased to notice truly terrible things.
              We started to have CHILDREN! ..
              ... MAKE CONCLUSIONS AND TAKE ACTION.
              There is a war, regardless of your beliefs and political views.
              Police often simply refuse to fulfill their duties. Therefore!!! Do not leave children unattended.
              No work then replaces the loss of your own child.
              ... Once again - we repeat, TAKE CARE OF CHILDREN! WITHOUT CHILDREN, NO COUNTRY WILL LIVE FOR A LONG TIME! There is such a page VKontakte:
              https://vk.com/poiskdeteidonbass
              It contains information about the missing people of DONBASS. LOOK INTO IT! MAYBE YOU WILL HELP ANYONE. "
              http://anti-maidan.com/index.php?id=1356&attempt=1
              1. sleepy
                0
                6 July 2014 03: 17
                Article about black transplantologists in Kiev,
                http://mikle1.livejournal.com/4237216.html
                “According to the investigation, in two years a group of doctors led by Fedak sold at least 130 babies abroad. In 1997, the Ivano-Frankivsk court sentenced Fedak to two years. However, after serving only a third of his sentence in a pre-trial detention center, the doctor was released under an amnesty. Viktor Yushchenko came to power in Ukraine, Fedak was invited to work on the parliamentary committee on health. Strange, isn't it? A person with such a reputation - and the Verkhovna Rada! They say that Fedak was bothered by none other than the nationalist Oleg Tyagnibok, who now heads the deputy faction of "Svoboda". Why would such concern, you ask. Perhaps, it is explained by the fact that in the 90s Tyagnibok worked in the very hospital that Fedak was in charge. http://zarubezhom.com/may-2 -2014.htm
                Not only that, Tyagnibok went through the aforementioned criminal case of “black transplantologists” as an accomplice, but the investigation failed to prove his involvement, and the future candidate for president of Ukraine was transferred to witnesses.
                And here is a new similar story with his participation: the 24th “hundred”, flatly refusing to let observers into the morgue on Oranzhereinaya,
                hiding behind precisely Tyagnibok’s name.
                “I realize that they have broken the law,” explained Yuri Polyachenko, director of the Institute of Surgery and Transplantology at the Shalimov Academy of Medical Sciences, “but you need to understand that they are professional doctors. They need to be given a chance so that they, as they say, atoned for their blood with blood. ” In general, according to the head, the defendants "from the point of view of morality, it would be correct to sentence him to corrective labor at the Shalimov Institute."
                1. -1
                  6 July 2014 15: 30
                  Recently I watched a series about the cops, and so there they were just fighting black transplants in Russia, but I don’t draw conclusions from this that your business is flourishing. There is a problem in all countries without exception, this unfortunately can not be avoided, because there are very rich people who want to live at the expense of the poor. The weaker the state, the poorer the poor.
              2. +1
                6 July 2014 12: 08
                Scum who work on the black market of transplantology, always where lawlessness and house ......
                everything was the same in Yugoslavia ...
          10. 0
            6 July 2014 09: 32
            Someone deceived you ....
            They showed people on TV on the west of Ukraine, they don’t pay a damn there, people ALREADY began to resent.
        3. +2
          4 July 2014 21: 57
          Quote: Raskolnik
          But you need to publicly hang a thread of a Romanian pilot, and show on YouTube. So that others might be discouraged.

          In fact, for a stronger and longer-lasting effect, it is better to put on a stake.
          Then the mercenary flyers, at least, will require several times more dough to cover the risk - and the dough is not available for ukrov and is not expected. Or maybe they’ll be afraid even for the crazy loot of ass to substitute - their own tea, not an uncle.
          1. 0
            5 July 2014 01: 40
            better to put on the count.
            Then, mercenary flyers, at least, will require several times more dough to cover the risk
            Well, not a fact, maybe the opposite effect will turn out, on the contrary, all homosexual rear-wheel-drive pilots from all over Europe will break. At stake, being planted is a great honor for Peredast. This is Ukraine, everything is possible there, as Garik said, felt-tip pens can come to power
          2. jonh
            +1
            6 July 2014 12: 12
            but I’m wondering, what Romanian pilots were going to fly on which planes if they have nothing besides 21? as I understand it, in order to transfer to another plane, you first need to exercise. So I conclude that many who comment here sculpt with an Intellect are not deprived
      2. +4
        4 July 2014 11: 45
        Quote: kaa_andrey
        Already purchased in Romania and Hungary ... Flight crews are recruited from Croats and Romanians.

        Let's see how much the mercenaries will earn, and how much they will survive, the dill have no money! And the weapon under "when we pay the realties" will only give what samin is not needed! (Save on utilization) And from that there will be a lot of sense!
        1. +8
          4 July 2014 12: 14
          Quote: serega.fedotov
          Let's see how much the mercenaries will earn, and how much they will survive, the dill have no money! And the weapon under "when we pay the realties" will only give what samin is not needed! (Save on utilization) And from that there will be a lot of sense!

          Sponsors from foggy albion and mattress do not skimp pay for Slavic blood.
          Iron was brought in immeasurably, the battles fought.
      3. +2
        4 July 2014 21: 52
        the question is, what condition are they in, someone was selling Mig-29 stubbornly for a long time but I still didn’t sell the connection with the worthless state, I think that the poor Romanians who are not rich Hungarians have no ice machines and flying on these coffins is not super
      4. 0
        6 July 2014 11: 58
        Not all migrant workers return home ....
    2. +4
      4 July 2014 09: 56
      Well yes! You are wretched, sho we are no good!
    3. +11
      4 July 2014 09: 58
      About all - no need. Czech Republic and Slovakia - these do not lick.
      And Poland, Romania have been "fallen women" all their lives
      1. +8
        4 July 2014 10: 13
        Quote: sscha
        Czech Republic and Slovakia - these do not lick.

        You wanted to say - they don't lick at the moment. And in fact, they still lick and lick them. This current leadership has gone into ambition, but where the missile defense elements were supposed to be deployed before Romania, do you remember? I refresh my memory - in the Czech Republic. So, "everything is not so simple" (tm).
        1. +5
          4 July 2014 11: 53
          The most interesting thing is that they all understand their position as prostitutes under the State Department, but they can’t do anything about it, they’re even afraid to say it openly.
        2. +11
          4 July 2014 12: 16
          All our "former friends" will not only lick the stern for a dollar, but also suck the tank. bully
      2. +6
        4 July 2014 15: 17
        You don’t need so bad things about fallen women, they (women) didn’t become that way from a good life .., and Poland and the like are just historical nits.
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    4. +9
      4 July 2014 10: 51
      Quote: Mitek
      They will surely be given Soviet free-pile weapons.

      In an acceptable state of Soviet aircraft there is little left. Stupidly fly up the clock, work off takeoff - landing, maybe. For military use - extremely doubtful. If that is, we ourselves need it. Young Europeans have no money for F 22 & F 35.
      1. +2
        4 July 2014 11: 55
        Amerikosy will present them with it, they will find junk from junk in the coffers. There, Canadians are already offering.
      2. 0
        5 July 2014 03: 14
        A pilot for a fighter of type Mig 29 was taught at the Soviet school for 5 years, at a rate of 100 hours of flight plus materiel
    5. Stypor23
      +5
      4 July 2014 11: 31
      Quote: Mitek
      Former Warsaw Pact countries will do anything to amer lick nicer

      Egypt is immediately remembered. During the Afghan war, the pharaohs sold to the amers and Saudis from their depots, Soviet weapons. Which was naturally delivered to Nashar, especially Prada, under Gamar Abdel, Kremlin comrades. This is how they repay for Russian help
    6. +1
      4 July 2014 12: 03
      Quote: Mitek
      They will surely be given Soviet free-pile weapons. Former Warsaw Pact countries will do anything to amer lick nicer. Canadians seem to already want to give the decommissioned F-18s. The West will fight with Russia until the last crest. Alas, this is so.

      I’m already discussing in a neighboring article that the former Warsaw Pact countries are dumping their weapons on dill.
    7. +2
      4 July 2014 13: 16
      http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/airforce/5512-1-sp-753988906.html Чад проводит модернизацию своих вооруженных сил и с этой целью было принято решение закупить многоцелевые истребители для нужд военно-воздушных сил страны. После продолжительных консультаций был выбран вариант закупки трех истребителей МиГ-29 на Украине.

      So, the MiG-29 planes that were in use by the Ukrainian Air Force must undergo repairs and partial modernization on the basis of the state-owned enterprise Lviv State Aviation Repair Plant.

      It is assumed that the Chadian Air Force signed a contract in 2009 with Ukraine for the supply of two MiG-29 multipurpose fighters and one MiG-29 combat trainer. In addition to the aircraft themselves, it is planned to train specialists and pilots in Ukraine, supply spare parts and ammunition.

      One of the first aircraft intended for the Chadian Air Force was recently photographed during the test phase at the international airport of Lviv. The Chad Air Force MiG-29 aircraft caught in the lenses of local spotters has a “TT-OAP” board number and will soon be handed over to Chad Air Force representatives. 1,06,2014
      [media = http: //www.military-informant.com/images/news/2447014.jpg]
      1. stranik72
        +2
        4 July 2014 19: 03
        Do not worry too much about this topic (MiG-29), they died, repairs were carried out with the participation of our companies, the delivery of KI. This is an old contract in 2011 yet.
    8. +2
      4 July 2014 22: 04
      Quote: Mitek
      Canadians sort of like they want to give the F-18s decommissioned.

      And the whole infrastructure? Pilots prepare mechanics. Again, spare parts, ammunition - Soviet bombs cannot just be suspended from them. And they will have to be served slightly, so that they can fly, because used, not in vain Canadians wrote them off - it’s painfully expensive to maintain such worn-out junk, Canadians can count money.
    9. 0
      5 July 2014 00: 01
      Yes, it’s a pity, but alas, you’ll be right, the war will be waged by the Ukrainian people, okay, people from Bendery can somehow be understood as Greek by Catholics, this and that, the ancestors fled through the forests with weapons for the Germans, but the waters when the central part and southeast of Ukraine how chicken doesn’t go crazy, it’s already scary for people's health! The most striking former Golden Eagle on the side of the Armed Forces is fighting and following the orders of those who shot them in February and beat them with stones. I don’t understand what kind of nonsense! Russia, how much will it look at this diabolical coven? ?! They must be wetted with cruise missiles, all hail installations, tanks, helicopters, airplanes, to hell with all this, then we’ll see how it is with a machine gun in hand and they’ll fight for a long time!
  2. RUBIN
    +5
    4 July 2014 09: 50
    Serious numbers ...
  3. +14
    4 July 2014 09: 53
    This afternoon, the commander of the militia of Slavyansk and the Minister of Defense of the Donetsk Republic Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, during the lull between the battles, shared operational data on the enemy’s purchase of Soviet aircraft and armored vehicles in Eastern Europe.

    Ukrainians purchased, according to reports, about 20 different Soviet-made aircraft in Romania and Hungary. Also bought Soviet tanks and other armored vehicles. So everyone who is looking forward to an “imminent disappearance" of enemy aircraft and hopes that therefore the war will end on its own will have to give up.
    http://rusvesna.su/news/1404408154

    So while there is money then the planes will be !! So from here a conclusion, it is necessary to introduce severe sanctions for Ukraine. Let your goods shove in Europe.
    1. +5
      4 July 2014 10: 00
      IZUM RU  Today, 09: 53 Ukrainians purchased, according to reports, about 20 various Soviet-made aircraft in Romania and Hungary


      ,,, I wonder what shisha? Or they are "gratuitously" from the NATO on the ATO provide? recourse
      1. +7
        4 July 2014 12: 23
        And what, for you this is news. But Western bookkeeping brings everything to the debt register and later presents it to Kiev. For no reason, Rossinante does not sneeze.
      2. +3
        4 July 2014 12: 24
        Quote: bubalik
        ,,, I wonder what shisha? Or they are "gratuitously" from the NATO on the ATO provide?


        Title: "The best member of NATO" according to the results of the competition for the supply of BU (it will still burn) - the equipment is worth a lot. laughing
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    3. +5
      4 July 2014 10: 07
      That's right. However, this does not beg for the merits of the militia !!
  4. +3
    4 July 2014 09: 54
    This could be called the result if they had not ironed defenseless villages today!
  5. +5
    4 July 2014 10: 10
    Pilot training is a troublesome, long and costly task, especially for foreign-made cars. Unless NATO supplies its trained pilots with the planes, there will be little use for the donated planes.
  6. +15
    4 July 2014 10: 14
    The planes were shot down ... and the pilots that evacuated everyone? Catch, interrogate, all the information on camera and around the world. The pilots now have one way to atone for their guilt, to drain everything they know ... and then let them be shot ... and let their families repress their own SBU .... only in this way. And yes, to execute the pilots after they find out that his family is so that he knows what it is like to betray his people. And if the pilot hires .... document of proof to Russia, and it's another one + for providing limited assistance to Novorossia. And I don’t understand one thing, why Putin, having collected all the evidence .. will not come forward (personally) with an accusation against the US and the EU… everyone knows where the legs and arms of this conflict come from… and why he… and we are silent. Enough illusions ... they showed us their "friendship". Show the EU where their "blindness" is leading ... and where the Americans are pulling the world. To throw propaganda on ukrovoennyh (leaflets), where to use logical conclusions and experience of psychology. With the latter, we are always weak ... otherwise they say it's shitty vodka, and Idki to a psychologist, I'm sho crazy.
    1. 0
      4 July 2014 12: 18
      Because talking about it even openly is completely useless.
    2. +2
      4 July 2014 17: 42
      Quote: rosomaha
      And I don’t understand why Putin has collected all the evidence .. he won’t (personally) accuse the US and the EU ...

      Maybe he’s going to speak and even officially. For this, so many sudden exercises and checks of his army are carried out. The calculation is correct - today is not 1941 and Russia does not have large reserves. We have to rely on professionalism.
  7. Vik.Tor
    +2
    4 July 2014 10: 26
    And I was pinned about the redemption of tanks and other armored vehicles, sort of like a shaft, and they collect rubbish from eastern Europe, so to speak, utilize it.
  8. +4
    4 July 2014 10: 33
    Will the mercenaries be able to fly as well, knowing about the counteraction from the ground - their militias will not save, like the Ukrainians, but what do they do with captured mercenaries, let alone flyers, I think there are few survivors
  9. +3
    4 July 2014 10: 36
    Won Canadians give 26 aircraft dill.
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  11. +1
    4 July 2014 10: 43
    Poroshenko Falcons
  12. +8
    4 July 2014 10: 45
    Ukrainian Air Force and before the losses were, if not a catastrophe, then a misunderstanding.
  13. +5
    4 July 2014 10: 46

    The website "Russian Spring" had information that
    (http://rusvesna.su/news/1404041521)
    "... fighters of the special forces of the army of the Donetsk People's Republic captured a garrison of missile forces, an anti-aircraft missile regiment of air defense number A-1402 (Donetsk anti-aircraft missile regiment). The unit is armed with powerful long-range air defense systems for detecting and destroying air targets, in particular anti-aircraft missile complex "Buk" From Donetsk to Slavyansk - 113 km.
    In addition, as written above, "On July 2, a video appeared, according to which the militia of the Lugansk People's Republic now has a Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system."
    In general, the air defense of the DPR army is growing stronger.
    1. +6
      4 July 2014 11: 07
      Unfortunately, the Buk is not a Kalashnikov. He needs specialists. And they prepare for at least a year. (This is like "point this cross at this point and click on this button").
      1. +3
        4 July 2014 14: 41
        If I honestly don’t believe about the year .. since you really want to, you will learn and understand a lot in a week, of course you can’t replace practical starts, but you want to learn how to live, they often say that you need two years for the initial stage, and then the people who serve say I can Shooting from T64 in a day is so easy to teach there, but on T72 it takes 3-4 days longer, so I think someone is either lying or incompetent .. Although, from my own experience, I have not seen such a technique for using which it takes a year to learn if if you want, you’ll master anything in 1-2 weeks if you really want to, and if you are taught to be honest.
        1. +8
          4 July 2014 17: 55
          Quote: max702
          it’s often broadcast here that two years are needed for the initial run-off, and then the people who serve say I can shoot T64 in a day, it’s easy to teach how much it is, but on T72 it takes 3-4 days longer, so I think someone is either lying incompetent ..

          You can get acquainted in a few hours.
          Learn practically - in a few days.
          To develop clear reflex actions - months of constant training.
          It takes years to know all the capabilities of your equipment (not even described in the manuals) and apply them creatively in unpredictable combat conditions with clear interaction and coordinated actions of all crew members.
        2. 0
          5 July 2014 03: 20
          I agree you want to learn how to live
  14. MSA
    MSA
    +4
    4 July 2014 10: 59
    Missiles would help ours, it would be easier ...
  15. +1
    4 July 2014 11: 14
    Wherever you go, there is a wedge everywhere, and human tragedies are similar to iron-technical ones. I especially liked the article "the pilot managed to eject, the plane cannot be restored". No, maybe there are other cases when the plane changed its mind to fall and landed on its own ... Who knows. Life is so varied and unpredictable! laughing
  16. +4
    4 July 2014 11: 41
    Air defense militias so far are:
    1 SAM "Strela-10", spotted the day before yesterday in Lugansk


    a certain amount of memory-23-2 and memory-2 (no more than 10), some are installed on cars


    Igla and Strela-2 MANPADS (the exact number is unknown)

    Also used as anti-aircraft guns are the NSV-12,7 "Utes" and DShK large-caliber machine guns installed on vehicles.
    1. 0
      5 July 2014 03: 22
      look carefully at the marking and think how much this complex costs.
  17. +4
    4 July 2014 12: 06
    Throw it, catastrophe ... not yet. Canada promised to transfer dozens of F-16s, with the world on a thread, Ukraine military aircraft ..
    1. +2
      4 July 2014 12: 29
      Will Canada give pilots the identity? Or from Su to F and into battle? So then generally the gift to the militias will be
    2. +5
      4 July 2014 12: 32
      Quote: parusnik
      Canada promised to transfer a dozen F-16


      I understand these pilots will not be piloted by Ukrainians.
      NATO is preparing to participate in the armed conflict in the territory of the former Ukraine.
    3. +6
      4 July 2014 13: 12
      Where did Canada get the F-16? Of the 4th generation, they have only F-18 Hornets, in my opinion 78 units.
  18. +1
    4 July 2014 12: 08
    As Ostap Bender used to say "Abroad will help us"
    1. 0
      5 July 2014 13: 18
      Photo in the studio!
  19. +4
    4 July 2014 12: 11
    Here the other day in a talk show on "First" Tsarev spoke literally the following: "weekly the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine will reopen and commission up to 25 tanks and 5 aircraft." request
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      4 July 2014 14: 51
      Quote: Captain45
      : "every week the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine will reactivate and commission up to 25 tanks and 5 aircraft."


      I don’t know about the tanks ... this is for the tankers. But for the planes, for deactivation of 5 days it is above the roof, here Tsarev is right, but at the expense of commissioning ... 5 days ... it got very excited .. .small military repair .. it is possible, but commissioning ... at least 1 month and then .... in the presence of a large number of "donors"!
      But their plants plow in 3 shifts!
      There are problems with helicopters. So the blades of HB and RV .. as a rule cannot be repaired (unless of course they are old, then of course you can "try", but here's where, who and how will repair them, how, and especially balance ???? wassat
  20. +8
    4 July 2014 12: 16
    No matter how many shots, dill will be replenished, and they themselves have a lot of things to conserve. It is worried, not that dill has and will be, but that the militia will fight. And here is the problem ...
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      4 July 2014 14: 56
      Quote: Russ69
      , and that than the militia will fight. And here is the problem ..


      Absolutely, +! After all, not all the time "cast iron" will be "thrown" .. although it "brings" a lot of troubles.
      But it is already clear that the C-25s and X-25s went into operation, and this is already outside the range of "current air defense systems" from our recourse
      And what if they start using the ASP even "cooler"? request

  21. +3
    4 July 2014 12: 33
    A good article gave +. It is a pity There is not enough time for the republics to master the technology. Yes, and the mess in the manual is annoying, everyone pulls a blanket over himself. Is it really not clear that in this case everyone can die without reaching the goal. But I hope for the best, everyone will gather, unite, learn and trample the hunter away into Bandera caches (graves). Soviet rep. in the 20s, too, almost crushed.
  22. +4
    4 July 2014 12: 47
    I would be Russia's commander in chief, having the technical ability to bring down Ukrainian air defense planes. He summed up to customs posts and, on the pretext of strengthening the National Security of Russia, announced a no-fly zone, everything for the guys from the LPR and the DPR was easier!
  23. +3
    4 July 2014 12: 49
    Just now I realized that I was behaving like a "couch warrior". There and so without snotty ice!
  24. +4
    4 July 2014 13: 16
    http://cassad.net/tv/videos/311/03-07-2014/

    - Got it, at least five
    - I'm going on five

    Five of what, feet, centimeters, inches? MANPADS take?

    Canada will supply Nazis with 20 F-18 units with personnel
    http://warfiles.ru/63112-kanada-namerena-peredat-ukraine-dva-desyatka-istrebitel
    ey-f-18.html

    The author will bring them down with the help of MANPADS. Tanks - with axes and rifles. Send and even sponsor.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +7
      4 July 2014 14: 12
      Quote: Andriuha077
      Five of what, feet, centimeters, inches? MANPADS take?


      Naturally thousands of meters ... the specifics of radio!
      Even the Chechens "practiced" ("experienced" on themselves) the self-liquidator is removed from the rocket and .. it "whistles", how cute is 5 and more. and stingers so in general. recourse
      Therefore, when we went to the waiting area .. we went there at least 5, and if also over the "relief". then we climbed to 7-8. and then they started working.
      1. +2
        4 July 2014 15: 44
        Take "Arrow-10", the appearance of which among the militia in the amount of about two units caused a surge of unheard-of enthusiasm on our couch.

        Launch range max .: in the front hemisphere 5 km

        The presence on the machines of suitable rockets: unknown.
    2. 0
      5 July 2014 13: 20
      Obviously, columns of couch troops marched in solemn order. soldier laughing
  25. +7
    4 July 2014 13: 17
    This is where the conclusions come from for the Russian Defense Ministry, and others like them. There M-35, there Drying 25e from a strategic reserve. Submarines, tanks, one loot in their heads instead of brains! They would be under these bombs !!! But on the site, many proudly declare jobs, replenishment of the budget (it is not clear only for whom and for whom?), Friends we help out, Hindus and everyone who is not lazy. Now think about who is who! Traders are DIRECT TRADERS to whom there is no justification, only the highest measure. And who justifies their actions-accomplices !!!
  26. +1
    4 July 2014 13: 41
    About humpbacked (IL-76 TD) do not mention!
  27. +3
    4 July 2014 14: 04
    This allows fighters of unrecognized republics to defend their cities from air attacks and regularly destroy enemy planes or helicopters.

    Fly, pigeons, fly am
  28. Leshka
    -1
    4 July 2014 14: 17
    soon from the Air Force ukrov nothing will remain am
    1. +1
      4 July 2014 19: 11
      If ... If you knock out the flight crew, then surely and yes. And so lyuftukro quickly replenished with technology.
  29. +4
    4 July 2014 14: 48
    Quote: Wyalik
    Mom said that in their village, the German commandant beat the Romanian officer and his soldiers for taking cows and goats from local residents.

    Our old people also talked about this, even they did not like the vile Romanians.
  30. +4
    4 July 2014 15: 00
    Now, according to Ukrainian media, it is reported that the militia seized the Air Force base, and on it are 2 pieces Mi-24 and 1 Mi-8. drinks
    1. +2
      4 July 2014 17: 42
      Already a victory. The eternal story.
  31. Sofa fighter
    +1
    4 July 2014 16: 05
    The strength is not in the number of tanks, planes and helicopters. The strength in truth is that the militias are already successfully fighting the Nazis.
  32. +3
    4 July 2014 19: 07
    Yes there is no disaster, Vaf is right. The old Soviet equipment is being handed over to the Ukroluffs (it’s not like that, but the consolation is weak). But the Nazis still have flyers.
  33. Stasi
    +1
    4 July 2014 19: 14
    The militia now has a primary problem - the unified command and coordination of all actions. Without all this, you cannot win a war. Also a problem is shelling. The militia does not have its own artillery to respond with fire. So it remains only to try to capture it from the enemy. If it is impossible to capture it should be destroyed, thereby stopping the shelling. All these militias can, I am sure that among them there are experienced fighters and special forces capable of doing all this.
  34. +2
    4 July 2014 19: 15
    No Air Force disaster. Lugansk is being bombed, Donetsk too. Where is she this disaster. ???. They have these Sushki stored for years. They are repaired, taken from storage, put into operation, the grandmother is thrown at it. Don't wait for "manna from heaven". Like the plane was shot down and he's the LAST. This is not and will not be. It is necessary to strengthen the air defense of Novorossia, that's for sure, but you don't need to console yourself with the fact that today we will shoot down this bastard and all-war kirdyk .. This will not be for a long time. "Bits are eaten" - the carriage went into an uncontrollable run.
  35. +2
    4 July 2014 20: 11
    Quote: Stasi
    The militia now has a primary problem - the unified command and coordination of all actions. Without all this, you cannot win a war. Also a problem is shelling. The militia does not have its own artillery to respond with fire. So it remains only to try to capture it from the enemy. If it is impossible to capture it should be destroyed, thereby stopping the shelling. All these militias can, I am sure that among them there are experienced fighters and special forces capable of doing all this.


    I agree. The main problem is the lack of control from a single strategic center, as well as the development of the offensive is impossible without the massive use of aviation, which is not. The Nazis have a huge advantage. And the list of losses of the Air Force dill does not inspire after the last urgent message of Igor Strelkov. Unfortunately.
  36. +1
    4 July 2014 21: 04
    Here is how the fight of an armed elephant (in the person of several tens of thousands of punishers against airplanes and helicopters) and militia ant (whose air defense is only fragmented MANPADS and art. Small-caliber memory) The ant's strength of course is high, but because it became clear that neither under the guise of MS or even how regular RF Armed Forces will not fight in Ukraine, unfortunately the outcome is negative No.
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  38. Grandfather Victor
    0
    4 July 2014 21: 52
    "The crash killed all 49 people on the plane."
    There was not a single person! And all the foul bastards, so that they always burn in hell!
  39. 0
    5 July 2014 00: 56
    A little bit in addition about the Romanians. They surrendered, didn’t give up, took them prisoner, or didn’t take them, I’m talking about today.
    I have many Portuguese gypsies among my neighbors. Sometimes we talk about this and that. But for the last two years, as Romania was accepted into the EU, I increasingly hear their indignation at the "romenos". Like, even the gypsies, and they got sick.
    1. 0
      5 July 2014 03: 27
      When not a single prisoner was served in Chechnya to headquarters
  40. Pretorianez
    0
    5 July 2014 01: 09
    One of the leaders of the terrorist organization "Donetsk People's Republic", officer of the GRU of Russia Igor Girkin (Shooter) said that the ATO forces are an order of magnitude superior to the forces of the terrorists and in the near future the positions of the militants can be completely destroyed.

    As Girkin declared to the Russian media, Nikolaevka is surrounded. There is no connection with the garrison. Continuous shelling of Semenovka, Nikolaevka, and CHP continues.

    "The number of spent shells is such that I have never seen anything like this in Chechnya. At night Sloviansk was repeatedly fired upon with howitzers. The population was in panic. Everyone curses Kiev, Poroshenko and ... Russia. Which gave hope and abandoned the punishers to the mercy," said one of the leaders of the militants.

    According to the terrorist, the ATO forces "crush with a continuous stream of armor and shells, the infantry is practically not used."

    "If Russia does not take over in the very near future, Novorossia will perish as soon as possible. Slavyansk will perish much earlier than all the others," Girkin said.

    "Our supply is completely interrupted. So unloading, boots, night vision devices and everything else can be safely sent anywhere - they will not reach us. The shelling of the city continues," added a representative of the terrorist organization.

    And so, it seems that kirdyk to Girkin comes, even with Russian tanks and MANPADS, even without them: he lived a sinful life and died funny ...))) It was reconstructed, the clown)))
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      5 July 2014 01: 45
      Ahahah losses on both sides 1 militia to 10ke warrior ??? Yes, in your place I would have shot myself from such a shame !!! Etozh need REGULAR ARMY can't cope with PERFORMANCE while still suffering such huge losses. I understand that you are shouting "Glory to Ukraine", and then only "Bulk" after the bullet in the throat that came to the scream. You don’t have enough brains, to climb to the maximum ceiling and throw bombs from there, adjust the fire - you don’t pull out a child's puzzle. Even a platoon of sensible motorized riflemen will not be enough for the whole Dill army sprinkled with parsley.
      It’s just that people there, in the Donbass, did not think that our government did not care about their own citizens, much less at them ...
  41. Pretorianez
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    5 July 2014 12: 51
    Congratulations to all! Terrorists kicked out of SlAvinsk! The city is liberated!
  42. Pretorianez
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    5 July 2014 14: 22
    As I understand it from my deleted comments, only squeals in the spirit of a nyash-krymnash are welcome here ?! fool Well, well, is it true that heartburn causes fermented patriots? lol Well, console yourself further with unfulfilled hopes, and meanwhile Slavinsk is freed from gangster trash! good drinks
  43. Pretorianez
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    5 July 2014 16: 48
    Run towards the border?)))
  44. 0
    5 July 2014 18: 47
    Quote: Pretorianez
    Run towards the border?)))

    And who are you? Patriot of Ukraine? or who? Bandits in Kiev in Parliament are sitting)))
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  45. Pretorianez
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    5 July 2014 22: 22
    Quote: Combat279
    Quote: Pretorianez
    Run towards the border?)))

    And who are you? Patriot of Ukraine? or who? Bandits in Kiev in Parliament are sitting)))

    Yah?! I didn’t know that the legally elected authorities of a sovereign state are bandits! belay You are not Kiselyov on rusTV seen enough hours? Then yes, an armed declassified rabble, collected from all over Russia and sent to Ukraine, certainly does not look like bandits (illegal border crossing, illegal acquisition and carrying of weapons, mercenary, threat of violence, causing grievous bodily harm, seizing and holding hostages , murder, destruction of property of citizens, etc., etc., etc.): yes, indeed they are not bandits - it’s rather small, the listed elements of crimes committed and committed by each of this trash are 100% drawn to terrorism! A place for a terrorist in a plastic bag! good
  46. Pretorianez
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    5 July 2014 22: 25
    PS: Where they will certainly come soon! good
  47. Pretorianez
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    5 July 2014 22: 37
    About real bandits: illegal border crossing, illegal acquisition and carrying of weapons, the threat of violence and the use of violence, deliberate destruction of citizens' property, disobedience to legal requirements of representatives of state authorities, inflicting grievous bodily harm, mercenarism, hostage-taking and holding, murder, etc. . etc. Well, what is it if not terrorism ?! So all of this Girkinskaya trash breaks up, gentlemen, fermented patriots, yes, HSE, no options!
    Want to help them? Collect money for plastic bags! laughing
  48. +1
    6 July 2014 01: 29
    As it was said above on the use of c-25 and x-25, you still need to be able to get them, and with one controlled package we have to fly a pilot a year (dear infection), I think that the comrade from ukgayna has only theoretical knowledge in this matter
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    6 July 2014 09: 44
    Sooner or later, dill without feathers will remain!laughing
  50. 0
    6 July 2014 10: 33
    In principle, to organize engineering and aviation support and military repairs they will be able, for some conditionally long period. But here I can understand how it is possible to replace the flight crew, even if I can’t even be mercenary pilots. This did not come, he pressed the start button, the throttle to the stop ... and that’s it. No ... I don’t understand. wink Forgive me fellow pilots, pilots, navigators, engineers and technicians.
  51. jonh
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    6 July 2014 12: 21
    почитал я тут. и самое интересное. у украинцев всё оружие хлам как я понял, но самый интересный вопрос откуда у ополченцев оружие в таком хорошем состоянии если украинское хлам? оно ведь трофейное из арсеналов украинской армии. многие именно так и утверждают тут на сайте. а ещё вопрос . как это в одной голове могут уживаться мнения которые прямо противоречат друг другу? laughing заранее благодарю за минусы. это как подтверждение моей правоты
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    7 July 2014 06: 07
    Из статьи и особенно комментов vaf-а понял, что нужно выводить из строя ремонтные мощности. Те же авиа- и танкоремонтные заводы. Рабочих убивать не обязательно, но инфраструктуру рушить качественно. Как вариант, начать охоту за двумя тремя критичными деталями, без которых и самолет не полетит и танк не поедет. Вот тупо/решительно воровать и/или уничтожать 2-3 определенные детали/прибора.
  53. 0
    7 July 2014 08: 53
    Интересно как обстоят дела с российской военной техникой? Как бы такого же состояния не было. Много писали, что в армии все разворовывают. Знакомый служивший в танковой части говорил, что танков много, но в рабочем состоянии всего несколько было.

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