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Gas for Hungary turned out to be more expensive than Ukrainian friendship

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Hungary, which supports Ukraine in everything and does not object to gas supplies to it, nevertheless recognized the need for South Stream, the construction of which would reduce the value of a friendly country as a transit country for Russian fuel to zero. About this newspaper reports Look.

Gas for Hungary turned out to be more expensive than Ukrainian friendship


“Hungary will build South Stream, as this project will ensure the security of our energy supply. We do not want to find ourselves in a situation where our gas supplies will depend on Ukraine. ”
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban declared in Belgrade after meeting with his Serbian counterpart.

“We support Ukraine (...), but we are responsible to our citizens for their electricity supply”
added the prime minister.

“South Stream” will ensure the independence of the country's energy supply from gas transit through Ukraine, therefore Hungary is against the postponement of the construction of a gas pipeline, ”the publication says the words of Orban.
Hungary, through which Europe supplies reverse gas to Naftogaz, is well versed in its neighbor. And therefore, even being pro-Ukrainian, he understands that the friendship will last exactly until such time as Naftogaz starts to steal gas from the transit pipe again, denigrating everyone, including Hungary.

The agreements on the construction of the gas pipeline were signed with Bulgaria, Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, Greece, Austria and the same Hungary. It’s very difficult for all of them to abandon South Stream, because there is nothing to replace Russian gas with.

If we talk about Hungary, then last year it bought 6 billion m³ of natural gas from Russia, which ran through the transit pipe through Ukraine. Only Czech Republic (7,3 billion), Poland (9,8 billion), Italy (25,3 billion) and Germany (40,2 billion) are buying large volumes

“Besides Ukraine, Hungary receives gas through Austria, but it is not enough to cover consumption. In addition, Austria itself buys 5,2 billion cubic meters of Russian gas per year. ”
said the head of the analytical department of United Traders, Mikhail Krylov.

He recalled that in 2015g. the term of the Hungarian-Russian Panrusgaz agreement on gas supply to Hungary ends, and Budapest will have to sign a new contract, bargaining at the same time interesting prices and the necessary volumes.

“Therefore, the current support of Hungary is caused not only by concerns about Ukraine, but also by the desire to quickly determine the parameters of imports for the next ten years”
noted Krylov.

There is no other place for Budapest to take it: they did not find shale gas in Europe, and it is unprofitable to buy liquefied gas, since its cost is twice as high. In addition, for the reception of liquefied gas, you need to create a special infrastructure, which in Hungary today is not. The situation is similar in other countries where the South Stream will pass.

The first country to build a new gas pipeline will be Bulgaria. That is why the European Commission most often addresses its threats to it, and not, say, Austria, where it is planned to build an end point.

However, Sofia is trying to resist the European Commission by announcing recently that the new pipeline does not violate the legislation of a united Europe.

Nevertheless, the EC declared that it would not allow South Stream to work in the EU if it does not meet the standards of the Third Energy Package. All countries that have concluded agreements with Russia are invited to review or terminate them.

According to the rules of the Third Energy Package, after the construction of the gas pipeline, Gazprom will be able to use it only on 50% of capacity, and will be obliged to provide the other half to other carriers. In practice, the EU wants to dispose of a pipe built with Gazprom’s money, and this is not a lot of money, $ 39 billion. This is no longer a business, but charity.

Russia is trying to remove South Stream from the Third Package, arguing that the EC does not have the right to influence this pipeline project, since it will pass not only across the EU. For example, Serbia is not an EU member. There are other arguments, but the main, according to Gazprom, will be the two coming winters, during which Europe will have so much trouble for Ukraine, that by the end of 2015, it’s unlikely to remember its ambitions.
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  1. Момент
    Момент 3 July 2014 18: 05
    +17
    It remains for the Bulgarians to remind about the winter, and to say about Ukraine that gas is charity and gas prices for reverse are not affordable - we won’t pay.
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 3 July 2014 18: 08
      +56
      So many good things were done to the Bulgarians and are constantly betraying us ..
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 3 July 2014 18: 16
        +26
        Quote: portoc65
        So many good things were done to the Bulgarians and are constantly betraying us ..


        The Bulgarian manual sells, and this is somewhat different.
        1. portoc65
          portoc65 3 July 2014 18: 19
          +17
          well yes .. and the monument to Alyosha repainted in pink light .. what
          1. Bagatur
            Bagatur 4 July 2014 11: 08
            -4
            The monument is sitting and no one is touching it! And not the leadership painted it!
          2. BLACK-SHARK-64
            BLACK-SHARK-64 4 July 2014 11: 12
            0
            I say ....
          3. Dazdranagon
            Dazdranagon 4 July 2014 11: 41
            +6
            Quote: portoc65
            Alyosha monument repainted in pink light
            - Vlad, there will always be a corrupt skin that does not know history, and is ready for 5 euros not for such actions! But only cowards are at war with monuments! hi
        2. jovanni
          jovanni 3 July 2014 18: 24
          +14
          As leadership is accountable to the people, so the people are responsible for who directs them. We know by ourselves ...
          1. Sergey777
            Sergey777 4 July 2014 09: 12
            +1
            I would say so what kind of people is the government, those government is a mirror of the people
            1. Bagatur
              Bagatur 4 July 2014 11: 10
              +3
              Aha ... then what about the person of Yeltsin? I never thought that he was the real face of the Russian people!
              1. Dazdranagon
                Dazdranagon 4 July 2014 11: 38
                +1
                Quote: bagatura
                then what about the person of Yeltsin?
                - To be honest, 90% of the population of Russia is shocked by this monument! Still, they would put Mama ... wassat
                1. ver_
                  ver_ 5 July 2014 17: 00
                  -2
                  ... and Mamai (Velyaminov) then what annoyed you? Maamai - the uncle of Dmitry Donskoy ... They had a cabal .... The throne passed from brother to brother in those days ....
            2. larand
              larand 4 July 2014 15: 38
              0
              Quote: Sergey777
              I would say so what kind of people is the government, those government is a mirror of the people


              according to some incomprehensible law of nature, the most unworthy persons are always led by human herds. And the herds moo and follow them.
        3. Prokop
          Prokop 3 July 2014 18: 30
          +22
          Quote: mamont5
          The Bulgarian manual sells, and this is somewhat different.

          In Bulgaria, in the country's leadership, there are now the same characters as Kuchma da Kravchuk, they live in different countries with the Bulgarian people.
          1. comprochikos
            comprochikos 3 July 2014 21: 55
            +7
            Every year I visit Bulgaria, normal people. At the monument to Ushakov in Coleacre flowers are constantly lying. And they choose preziks, as elsewhere, keep on promises that donkey donkey shit is not worth.
            1. Yurban
              Yurban 4 July 2014 13: 45
              0
              Yes, the problem is that people don’t choose, this is the work of hands, striped pedi-rastas and gummics from Brussels.
        4. alekSASHKA-36
          alekSASHKA-36 3 July 2014 19: 55
          +1
          leadership does not the people choose ?????
          1. pazuhinm
            pazuhinm 3 July 2014 22: 39
            -2
            Do you think that we have elected someone? laughing
          2. Bagatur
            Bagatur 4 July 2014 11: 14
            +3
            We have such a choice-proportional system! Party Gauleiter, determine who will be on the lists! No matter how he is a person and a professional, it is important that he did not think and obey! The people really do not pick anything! To replace it, an ugly system must be called. Great assembly of the people it is necessary to make a new constitution, etc. But ... of course, the politicians do not want to, because, as they say, the American turkeys do not vote for Christmas to come!
        5. macarque
          macarque 3 July 2014 23: 18
          +1
          A manual is selected however. And does this country's population
        6. tundra
          tundra 4 July 2014 09: 38
          +3
          Yeah, bros bros .... But I don’t remember something that the Bulgarians in the 20th century were our allies. All the time, Paskudniki were against Russia, and for the short time that they were in the Warsaw Pact, only extra evidence of their vile nature. Almost Russia has problems and not Bulgarians, because they are always for those who win at a given period of time. Here Russia rises and how they whine, bros yes we are always for you. God forbid from such friends.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 4 July 2014 10: 38
            +3
            Quote: tundra
            Yeah, bros bros .... But I don’t remember something that the Bulgarians in the 20th century were our allies. All the time, Paskudniki were against Russia, and for the short time that they were in the Warsaw Pact, only extra evidence of their vile nature. Almost Russia has problems and not Bulgarians, because they are always for those who win at a given period of time. Here Russia rises and how they whine, bros yes we are always for you. God forbid from such friends.


            Right Yes ! Another proof that the policy of Pan-Slavism is wrong and unsuccessful. negative
        7. Kopeck
          Kopeck 4 July 2014 15: 33
          +1
          I fully support!
        8. Kopeck
          Kopeck 4 July 2014 15: 33
          +1
          I fully support!
        9. STOP VOINE 2014
          STOP VOINE 2014 4 July 2014 16: 56
          0
          Shaw is true, that is true, the people of Bulgaria I think have little understanding of the meaning of this cheap Western geopolitics ... therefore why generalize .. but here is a cheap corrupt politician, he is also corrupt in Ukraine!
      2. dr.Bo
        dr.Bo 3 July 2014 18: 25
        +9
        Quote: portoc65
        So many good things were done to the Bulgarians and are constantly betraying us ..

        The whole world is clamped by pin-dos and nobody dares to blather.
        Imposed values, fucking burgers, type democracy,
        and most importantly, they planted everyone on a money needle.
      3. Imigrantt
        Imigrantt 3 July 2014 18: 50
        +10
        Not the Bulgarians betray, but their corrupt rulers !!!!! The Bulgarians themselves sold and betrayed !!! hi
      4. meriem1
        meriem1 3 July 2014 19: 13
        +7
        Yes!!! They were freed from the Turks, and Tsar Boris fought on the side of Hitler !!! Just a moment. And AKMs are spanking without a license !!!! Good people.
        1. izGOI
          izGOI 3 July 2014 21: 57
          +3
          And in the 1st World War, too, they fought on the side of Germany, and on the graves of the fallen liberators s-li (In Pikul. "I have the honor." I advise you to read, or re-read.
          1. Bagatur
            Bagatur 4 July 2014 11: 21
            +3
            Pikul there? If cf. if, come see for yourself more than 400 monuments stand across the country! Nobody touched them and the new ones raised up! Monuments to Skobleva and Gurko built last year .. and for 135 years all the monuments are standing! What is related to the WWI ... there we have a conflict with Serbia but now there is no time and everyone will explain the place!
        2. Bagatur
          Bagatur 4 July 2014 11: 18
          +1
          Bulgaria entered into an alliance with Germany on March 1, 1941! Another option is occupation! And the USSR didn’t mind, if the Beat Molotov-Ribentrop Pact was still not mistaken? And what .. Stalin was judged on UTB? USSR in alliance with Germany if there is interest, is it possible, Bulgaria is not?
      5. Stypor23
        Stypor23 3 July 2014 19: 18
        +18
        bastards, how many Soviet wars would perish this ebn to free Bulgaria. this is GRATITUDE in response
        1. fisherman
          fisherman 3 July 2014 21: 45
          -28
          I suggest you not to dramatize. This is just a joke and nothing more. How many Soviet wars were killed on the territory of Bulgaria, if during the whole war we maintained diplomatic relations with Moscow? As for the South Stream project, in this form it is unprofitable for Bulgaria. It is not ours, but a Gazprom project and Gazprom should build it at its own risk, and not through the so-called joint commonwealth will shift its expenses on the back of the Bulgarian taxpayers. In 2009, the project cost 1,5 billion euros in the Bulgarian territory. Today it is worth almost four billion.
          1. gav6757
            gav6757 3 July 2014 22: 25
            +2
            So you don’t have to build it ... Let them get it through the independent one, but rather Ukrainian shale gas, they with ami will heat them all of Europe!
          2. biznaw
            biznaw 3 July 2014 22: 36
            +3
            You are absolutely right ... "In 2009, on the Bulgarian territory, the project cost 1,5 billion euros. Today it costs almost four billion." Something tells me that if you please "yours and ours" by 2015 it will cost even more, and you will be happy to pay even more if only you have gas in your homes, and besides heating, gas is needed for thermal power plants. To please Europe, you have destroyed nuclear power, and now you are silently buying the most expensive electricity from ... the Americans.
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 3 July 2014 23: 40
              +1
              Yuzhen Potok has nothing to do with selling gas to Bulgarian consumers. These are completely separate contracts. And the rise in the price of electricity came as a result of the actions of the Kremlin official, then deputy chairman of the Council of Ministers, and now a member of the board of directors of Lukoil-Bulgaria. He signed an annex to the agreement with the American company, and he prematurely suspended the previous agreement with Gazprom providing a low price for fuel. Two billion levs have thrown into a puddle the project of a new AES "Belene", which is unnecessary to anyone except for the people who saw the money.
            2. Bagatur
              Bagatur 4 July 2014 11: 22
              0
              Can I answer my friend, why is a 1 km pipe to the Danube plain with us 2 times more expensive than in the Serbian mountains?
          3. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 4 July 2014 01: 21
            +8
            Bulgaria, except for a stable supply of gas and additional funds to the country's budget for transit - this project does not threaten anything. In any case, Russia will not "fool" you like your European and American friends, who forced you to stop nuclear reactors in Kozloduy and buy electricity from them at times more expensive, which forced you to sell your gold mine and take all the profits from the mine give you 2%, who ruined your agriculture and you eat Turkish tomatoes and French "Bulgarian" peppers .... From cooperation with them, you got into poverty and your citizens left the country in millions (there were 9 million left 5 million) When you were friends with the Russians in the USSR, you laughed and said that for lokum and cherries you have such an oil well as the USSR. Your cities stood in the North in the Komi Republic, where the Bulgarians prepared timber for Bulgaria and transported it to Sofia, for the same pepper .... Where is it all? Your western friends have fooled you so deeply that you are afraid on your own land to put a pipe in your interests. You don't feel like masters on your own land. Throw in the neck of your rulers and return to the brotherly family of the Slavs. And you will be happy
          4. balyaba
            balyaba 4 July 2014 01: 59
            -5
            Just kidding, you say ...
            So I also know how to joke:
            Is your mom fucking dick? Not! So cocksucker. Ha ha ha !!!
          5. Stypor23
            Stypor23 4 July 2014 06: 22
            +7
            Quote: ribar
            . This is just a joke and no more.

            For such jokes, those who painted and those who stood nearby and assented, should appear in between. This is not a joke, but a real attitude, at least your elite, to Russia and its past. You’re no different from Poland. Who pays, you serve.
          6. GUKTU92
            GUKTU92 4 July 2014 08: 28
            +7
            I suggest you not to dramatize. This is just a joke and no more.

            Dear Star World! In Russia (I don’t know how you do in Sunny Bulgaria), this qualifies as vandalism, not a joke. I wonder how your fellow citizens would react if YOUR monuments with YOUR national heroes were painted with paint ??? Or, having come to the cemetery, did you see a monument to grandfather decorated, for example, in a white and blue strip?
          7. ydjin
            ydjin 4 July 2014 10: 06
            +4
            Quote: ribar
            I suggest you not to dramatize. This is just a joke and no more.

            Mocking the memory of the dead, a joke? These people gave their lives in order for you to live! Tear off your hands for such jokes!
          8. Vovavvs
            Vovavvs 4 July 2014 11: 48
            +1
            "As for the South Stream project, in this form it is unprofitable for Bulgaria. It is not ours, but Gazprom's project and Gazprom should build it at its own risk, and not through the so-called joint commonwealth will shift its expenses on the back of the Bulgarian taxpayers. In 2009, the project cost 1,5 billion euros in the Bulgarian territory. Today it costs almost four billion. " Our answer to Chamberlain-ribar is as follows, demand gas for nothing or "in Ukrainian" for free from American owners! Like, let someone invest in the pipe, and we have nothing to do with it, but when it comes to paying for transit through it, do not forget to unfasten ... And more!
          9. fevg
            fevg 4 July 2014 12: 17
            +3
            If you are a real Bulgarian, then, of course, reason as you want, what is more profitable, what is not. Most likely, you are a provocateur! If you are waiting for the German king, then it is understandable. The Russian Orthodox gave you freedom from the Basurman Turks and you forgot. During World War II the same thing. Just for my "mold" registered here? Profitable and unprofitable. We will build it ourselves. No investment is required from Bulgaria - only political will HELP RUSSIA!
          10. Dazdranagon
            Dazdranagon 4 July 2014 13: 12
            +3
            Quote: ribar
            This is just a joke and no more
            - a joke ?! If you have jokes like that in Europe, then the complete p.r.i.d.o.s. How do you like it if someone draws Spider-Man at the grave of your relatives ?! This is a JOKE! Brainless Europe, when you die of stupidity ... angry
          11. Yurban
            Yurban 4 July 2014 13: 52
            0
            Hey ... oh you h..v, such as you sure are few, and I personally respect the Bulgarians.
      6. gav6757
        gav6757 3 July 2014 22: 21
        +6
        Yes, bros love it !!!
        And how many times have they sworn to eternal friendship? Since the Ottomans ...
        1. Gado
          Gado 4 July 2014 01: 04
          +9
          And you, dear, that you saw something bad from us? Have you been to Bulgaria to see how we ordinary people relate to Russians? Or just like that, throw words unprepared?
      7. pazuhinm
        pazuhinm 3 July 2014 22: 38
        +2
        Not so ... Bulgarians do not mind, even FOR. But their government ... We didn’t do anything good for him.
      8. Bagatur
        Bagatur 4 July 2014 11: 05
        +2
        They didn’t always do good ... but they argue about arguing! The project must be spared by all countries through which the pipe will pass! The Bulgarian country clearly stated -ZA, Russia needs to achieve the consent of the EU!
      9. BLACK-SHARK-64
        BLACK-SHARK-64 4 July 2014 11: 11
        -2
        .... traitors and prostitutes ...
      10. yehat
        yehat 4 July 2014 15: 37
        +1
        from the article it follows that just the Bulgarians are trying to cooperate with us, like the Hungarians.
        why did you decide that they sold someone?
        A situation is described where they balance between mutually exclusive processes.
        and do not want to abandon the construction of the pipeline.
      11. igor.oldtiger
        igor.oldtiger 5 July 2014 11: 46
        0
        betrayed not by the PEOPLE, but by the rulers!
    2. irina.mmm
      irina.mmm 3 July 2014 19: 23
      +3
      Bulgarians will quickly understand the warm friendship of Ukrainians.
      I think for a long time they will not be enough.
    3. Gado
      Gado 4 July 2014 00: 57
      +8
      There is nothing to remind us of winter, we ourselves know how things are, and the EU sends threats to us first of all, I wrote about this a month ago. I hope everything will be fine, the gas pipeline is under construction.
    4. Bagatur
      Bagatur 4 July 2014 11: 01
      -1
      But how does Bulgaria give a damn about the EU, without any support? Sorry, but the South Stream is not only our business that we expected Bulgaria to fight against the EU and the USA ...
      1. Stypor23
        Stypor23 4 July 2014 12: 04
        0
        Tell me, Bagatur. Is your country fully gasified?
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 4 July 2014 15: 49
          0
          Not! It is already far away ... If so, then they froze like a gansky near Moscow in 1941)))
        2. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 4 July 2014 17: 29
          +2
          Quote: Stypor23
          .Your country is fully gasified
          - Russia is also not completely gasified. It comes to the point of absurdity - quite large villages are found along the pipes, where they are drowned with wood! hi
          1. Stypor23
            Stypor23 4 July 2014 18: 17
            +1
            Quote: Dazdranagon
            Russia is also not fully gasified

            I know that. In the village where I spent almost all my childhood, I couldn’t hear anything about gas, the electricity used to be, the phone was only in the office, and I don’t know anything about the Internet and about 100 pounds. Like this. But...
    5. tyrus
      tyrus 4 July 2014 13: 32
      +4
      And the US must be destroyed
      1. Blondy
        Blondy 5 July 2014 09: 19
        +2
        ... and sprinkle the ruins of the USA with salt!
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    7. Serg7281
      Serg7281 5 July 2014 21: 16
      +2
      When the "brothers" feel bad, they immediately remember Great Russia, and when they want to live in a European way, they immediately forget about their friendship. Therefore, we should, in response to their call "brother help", ask ... who they are turning to: us, or their gayrope roommates
  2. Giant thought
    Giant thought 3 July 2014 18: 06
    +7
    The Hungarians do not want to sit on the hook of the Maidan thieving Ukrainians.
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 3 July 2014 18: 11
      +9
      The Yankees are not sickly pushing Europe ... It takes courage to confront them .. In Hungary, new people came to power, more sober .. not sick like in Europe for the whole head
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 3 July 2014 18: 31
        +3
        The Yankees are not sickly pushing for Europe .. It takes courage to resist them

        ... here you have the attitude to sanctions ... when it comes to the truly national interests of the country ... Who wants to carry chestnuts to someone else’s uncle ... but to stay with his nose and go to ....
        Friendship is friendship ... and tobacco ... i.e. GAS - FREE!
    2. armageddon
      armageddon 3 July 2014 18: 15
      +2
      Hmm ... USA ... NATO ... Its a pancake shirt is CLOSER somehow ... !!!
    3. Klepa
      Klepa 3 July 2014 21: 01
      +2
      Hungary is heavily dependent on Germany. The whole country actually makes money at two German factories (Bosch and Audi) and an American plant for the production of circuit boards. In Hungary, almost no one speaks English, even in tourist areas, they learn German as a second language. As far as I remember, the Hungarians already howled from the EU in 2007 (memories from a trip to Hungary), nevertheless they managed to get into the EU to their ears.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 3 July 2014 23: 03
        +2
        And winter is coming ... so they thought.
        "Who does not freeze - the one who? Right, m-l!"
  3. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 3 July 2014 18: 07
    +7
    Matter of course. Friendship is not warm in the winter)))
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    2. Aryan
      Aryan 4 July 2014 00: 48
      +2
      America will not calm down until the price of Ukrainian friendship is less than a box of matches
      It's a shame for the Slavic brothers
  4. portoc65
    portoc65 3 July 2014 18: 07
    +5
    All the same, the mind took up. The southern stream will allow us to escape from the dependence of transit on Ukraine .. There will be nothing to steal .. More and more Russia will become independent.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 3 July 2014 18: 11
      +4
      Truth and reason will triumph! So Brother said, and that's right!
  5. Arh
    Arh 3 July 2014 18: 07
    +1
    It is good that sanity wins !!!
  6. nikcris
    nikcris 3 July 2014 18: 08
    +7
    ShchAZ Minister of Defense Ukrov said that he will hold a victory time in Sevastopol, Ukraine. I have not found such a city on the globe. Russian is.
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 3 July 2014 18: 13
      +4
      The Minister of Defense of Dill is a sick man .. He does not know what he says
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 3 July 2014 22: 39
        +1
        Poroshenko said that his predecessor was shell-shocked ... Is that a new diagnosis of ukrovlasti?
        1. Kazanec
          Kazanec 4 July 2014 13: 12
          0
          They have the whole top shell-shocked! :) And not only in the head, some in the ass! wassat
        2. Kazanec
          Kazanec 4 July 2014 13: 12
          0
          They have the whole top shell-shocked! :) And not only in the head, some in the ass! wassat
    2. K-50
      K-50 3 July 2014 21: 46
      +1
      They will build a new one or rename it some kind of hail
    3. izGOI
      izGOI 3 July 2014 22: 05
      +1
      Remember the film "Formula of Love"? There Fimka (A. Zakharova) says that it is a sin to laugh at the poor. So with the new Ukroministr, he signed the oath, but forgot to remove the cap from the handle (RTR showed)
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    5. Vovavvs
      Vovavvs 4 July 2014 12: 00
      0
      Somehow this Tsarandoe’s swimmer finely swims for the Minister of Defense, although he takes an example from his beloved Fuhrer. But he, even though he printed the invitation to the victory parade in writing and generously distributed it among the freezing troops in the autumn of 1941 ...
    6. Vovavvs
      Vovavvs 4 July 2014 12: 08
      0
      PS Is it possible that Lviv will be renamed Sevastopol ?!
  7. sv68
    sv68 3 July 2014 18: 09
    +1
    tomorrow the Yankees will bark and ex will make the Hungarians change their minds and buy the Yankeeshale fool
  8. kelevra
    kelevra 3 July 2014 18: 10
    +3
    Friends are friends, and when it comes to money, only partners remain and no concessions!
  9. Dejavu
    Dejavu 3 July 2014 18: 10
    +2
    Friendship is friendship, and tobacco is apart.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 3 July 2014 18: 12
      +2
      I'll go smoke a Pogarsky pipe.
  10. sever.56
    sever.56 3 July 2014 18: 13
    +3
    Hungarians - well done, pragmatists. For them, Ukraine is nobody, and their name is nothing! They will even show them to throw out of the territory with the Magyar population.
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 3 July 2014 18: 16
      +4
      they have a view of part of Ukraine .. when Ukraine falls apart they will return their historic lands .. if this passes, then from Ukraine only Bandera regions will remain
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 3 July 2014 18: 29
        +6
        It is terrible to admit, but the vast majority of land Ukraine has never belonged to. So Bandera region - this is Ukraine in its true borders. And all other lands must return to their historical owners.
      2. sever.56
        sever.56 3 July 2014 19: 08
        +3
        Excuse me. But it was precisely the Bandera regions that were the historical lands of Austria - Hungary and Poland.
        1. portoc65
          portoc65 3 July 2014 19: 25
          +5
          In short, Ukraine is an illegitimate vertical stroana that snatched and stolen from everyone
          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 4 July 2014 00: 29
            +2
            Quote: portoc65
            In short, Ukraine is an illegitimate vertical stroana that snatched and stolen from everyone

            Ukraine is an artificially created state. Which showed its failure.
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 3 July 2014 20: 12
          +3
          But then nothing will remain of Ukraine in the division! Perhaps only Zaporizhzhya and a handful of areas the size of a postage stamp.
          1. sever.56
            sever.56 3 July 2014 21: 14
            +1
            Zaporozhye, Zaporizhzhya Sich, from ancient times was part of the Cossack Don Army. The same can be said about the historically Russian Kherson, Nikolaev and Dnepropetrovsk regions. There is nothing to say about Kharkov. From the 1630s and 40s, there were archery outposts guarding the Crimeans from raids.
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 3 July 2014 21: 23
              +1
              I have an seditious thought: is it possible that Ukraine is a completely artificial entity and in general has never owned lands throughout its history?
              1. nikcris
                nikcris 4 July 2014 02: 07
                +1
                No, who is hammering already in Russia? Artificial Are Dildos? Then why are holes in the walls from them?
              2. peter mechkaev
                peter mechkaev 4 July 2014 16: 13
                0
                Why seditious? It’s completely historical ... Ukraine didn’t exist as such ... and it has no history .. now they fantasize it ... for self-satisfaction ..
          2. izGOI
            izGOI 3 July 2014 22: 11
            +1
            Kiev, Chernihiv, Sumy, Poltava, it seems truncated..can be Kirovograd and Cherkasy. Now, it seems exactly truncated.
            1. Vovavvs
              Vovavvs 4 July 2014 11: 28
              0
              As for Sumy and Chernihiv in vain: the tsar allowed them to settle on these Russian lands when the Crimeans pressed ukrov ...
      3. K-50
        K-50 3 July 2014 21: 48
        +4
        Poland will clean up Bandera regions, say - "we lost it in 39th year"
  11. Belarus
    Belarus 3 July 2014 18: 14
    +17
    Ha PARASHAenko will soon talk again about any truce.
  12. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 July 2014 18: 15
    +10
    did they really remember that the Yankees had not yet abolished winter as violating the norms of democracy?
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 4 July 2014 00: 32
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      did they really remember that the Yankees had not yet abolished winter as violating the norms of democracy?

      Why do I wish Sooo cold winter in Europe laughing . So. it will be interesting to see ...
  13. rugor
    rugor 3 July 2014 18: 18
    +6
    But who cares about freezing Bulgarians. The decision maker overseas to a damn.
  14. Atoll
    Atoll 3 July 2014 18: 20
    +4
    Quote: portoc65
    So many good things were done to the Bulgarians and are constantly betraying us ..
    It’s not the Bulgarians who betray, but their elite, for whom the location of Uncle Sam is more valuable than the interests of his own people.
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 3 July 2014 18: 28
      +4
      I was in Bulgaria and Yugoslavia ... The difference in attitude towards the Russians is felt very big .. The Bulgarians treat us like Greeks ..- and not hostile and not obviously like friends .. unlike the Serbs ..- we are brothers for Serbs .
  15. Twice RUSSIAN
    Twice RUSSIAN 3 July 2014 18: 25
    0
    Welcome to Europe. .
  16. Black
    Black 3 July 2014 18: 26
    0
    http://topwar.ru/38580-vengriya-hochet-druzhit-s-rossiey.html

    Hungarians do not jump !!!!!
  17. Serbor
    Serbor 3 July 2014 18: 33
    +5
    The absolutely correct policy is to crush the reptiles economically. All of them, including Bulgarians, Serbs and other "brothers" will betray Nuland cookies without batting an eye. But when they are held by the balls, it immediately becomes clear who is the boss in the house. But gas still needs to be saved, it's an irreplaceable resource. Once it will end and it is necessary that when it ends for everyone, we still have it. Diversify the economy faster, gentlemen leaders, or even for your lifetime may not be enough.
    1. Stypor23
      Stypor23 3 July 2014 19: 20
      0
      Quote: Serbor
      But when they hold their eggs, it immediately becomes clear who is the boss in the house

      Golden words, Serbor.
  18. Dembel
    Dembel 3 July 2014 18: 35
    0
    Nothing, winter will come - ask for snow ...
  19. Iline
    Iline 3 July 2014 18: 47
    0
    We don’t want to be in a situation where the supply of our gas will depend on Ukraine ”

    And why then run into rudeness with reverse gas supplies to Ukraine?
  20. parusnik
    parusnik 3 July 2014 18: 48
    0
    Friendship, friendship with Ukraine, and gas apart ..
    1. AQUARIUS 65
      AQUARIUS 65 3 July 2014 20: 34
      +10
      Video on the topic: "They asked for cheap gas, get free!"
  21. commander
    commander 3 July 2014 18: 51
    +1
    Quote: Jovanni
    As leadership is accountable to the people, so the people are responsible for who directs them. We know by ourselves ...


    I do not agree. Here we have a new mayor. I was against him, and many in the city, too. But for the fact that he is now beginning to get up, I am not responsible.
    If the leadership during the elections says one thing, for which by the way they are elected, but in life they do something completely different, the people are not responsible. But to remove it you have to do "maidans".
  22. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 3 July 2014 18: 57
    +2
    Hunger is not an aunt ... frost is not an uncle ... winter will accentuate primarily in Ukraine and of course in Europe ... a couple of times before winter to slow down the Nord Stream for a scheduled inspection ...
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 3 July 2014 19: 08
      +2
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      Hunger is not an aunt ... frost is not an uncle ... winter will accentuate primarily in Ukraine and of course in Europe ... a couple of times before winter to slow down the Nord Stream for a scheduled inspection ...

      I want a winter in September from Ukraine to the Atlantic. bully
    2. izGOI
      izGOI 3 July 2014 22: 15
      0
      Yes, only before the winter of the junta many people will be killed.
  23. askof
    3 July 2014 19: 01
    0
    Gypsy girl RU
    Matter of course. Friendship is not warm in the winter)))

    You can warm up with the Druzhba chainsaw
  24. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 3 July 2014 19: 19
    +1
    In the end, Bulgaria, with South Stream on its territory, can easily renounce its EU membership.
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 3 July 2014 21: 19
      +2
      The train left. Industry is destroyed, agriculture is in decline, because it does not fit into European standards.
  25. INF
    INF 3 July 2014 19: 26
    0
    They should beat with a forehead! According to the results, they will say to Ukraine - sorry baby, this is just a business!
  26. hunn
    hunn 3 July 2014 20: 04
    +3
    Quote: portoc65
    I was in Bulgaria and Yugoslavia ... The difference in attitude towards the Russians is felt very big .. The Bulgarians treat us like Greeks ..- and not hostile and not obviously like friends .. unlike the Serbs ..- we are brothers for Serbs .

    I agree, I have a familiar Serb, after the Kosovo events he was declared a war criminal (he did not allow Albanians to kill Serbs), he treats the Bulgarians very negatively
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 3 July 2014 21: 52
      -2
      And he told you why he treats Bulgarians negatively?
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 4 July 2014 10: 50
        +2
        Bulgaria granted its NATO territory in 1999 to strike at Serbia.
        1. Vovavvs
          Vovavvs 4 July 2014 11: 21
          +2
          + closed its airspace to help Serbia from Belarus and Russia
        2. Bagatur
          Bagatur 4 July 2014 11: 27
          0
          Ohhh, if only this is .... we have been mutually "in love" with them since 1885 ... It is strange why this Serb does not belong to the attacks of his beloved Greece, a NATO member then, because she could veto the bombing ...
  27. hunn
    hunn 3 July 2014 20: 10
    +2
    Regarding the Greeks, in 99, when the Nata shot at Serbia, in Greece, Penda sailors were beaten.
    1. Stypor23
      Stypor23 3 July 2014 20: 18
      0
      There were brutal bombings there, not shooting. Pick up the March 1999 chronicle. It was possible and still belt on bare s.rake
  28. Vadim12
    Vadim12 3 July 2014 20: 20
    +1
    They rest, creak already ... Yes, surrender to Russia, and it will be good both for you and us ... They break like girls for the first time wink
  29. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 3 July 2014 20: 23
    +1
    Frosts will come in winter, they will restore order in the brain!
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  31. Deadmen
    Deadmen 3 July 2014 20: 47
    0
    by the time Europe builds (if it builds) its infrastructure for receiving liquefied gas, it is necessary to occupy a niche in this industry. There is progress. The reason for this is that it loses by a factor of 600 during liquefaction !!
    1. izGOI
      izGOI 3 July 2014 22: 17
      0
      And they are already working on it.
  32. sxn278619
    sxn278619 3 July 2014 21: 03
    -1
    The South Stream pipe belongs to Gazprom only 50%. Simple exit Gazprom sells 50% of Rosneft's gas in Russia, which then sells it to Europe through this pipe. A wise thought, but inside the elite money showdowns do not allow.
  33. Ramon Mercader
    Ramon Mercader 3 July 2014 21: 07
    0
    The deceased grandmother told how they drowned and warmed, drank, survived, gave birth, educated, and these ..... were fed
  34. Plamenvarna
    Plamenvarna 3 July 2014 21: 55
    +14
    Read:
    "Bring the ministers to Bulgaria and Sarbiya se obyavikha for South Stream

    No one in Bulgaria will pass on our long-standing friendship and kinship.
    And not going to do it.
    Remember this forever.
    When the "West" and Turkey inspired the first "Maidan" in Bulgaria in the socialist camp - this was the Bulgarian Turks who rebelled against our state (it happened during your perestroika) your Gorbachev completely merged us.
    But none of the Bulgarians said then "the Russians betrayed us"
    They said UTB Gorbi betrayed us, as he betrayed the Russians.
    We got out of the "Turkish Maidan" ourselves.
    The Serbs did not have time when later the "West" applied directly to their improved version of the "Maidan". But do not forget that the Serbs played along with the "west" during the management of friend Tito and "sat on two chairs"
    No friendlier than the Bulgarians will not find in Europe.
    And not because of gas and not because of benefits, and not because of trade.
    This is because of the general blood and because you drove the Turks, and then the Nazis from our lands. And we will remember it forever. We are not Ukrainians.
  35. Ryndabul
    Ryndabul 3 July 2014 23: 05
    +2
    Quote: ribar
    I suggest you not to dramatize. This is just a joke and nothing more. How many Soviet wars were killed on the territory of Bulgaria, if during the whole war we maintained diplomatic relations with Moscow? As for the South Stream project, in this form it is unprofitable for Bulgaria. It is not ours, but a Gazprom project and Gazprom should build it at its own risk, and not through the so-called joint commonwealth will shift its expenses on the back of the Bulgarian taxpayers. In 2009, the project cost 1,5 billion euros in the Bulgarian territory. Today it is worth almost four billion.

    Here is an example of the fact that the leadership is bad and the people are good ... Loves and respects Russia)))
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 3 July 2014 23: 21
      +3
      What foreign country do you have a feeling of love for? Each person is primarily a patriot of his homeland.
      1. Vovavvs
        Vovavvs 4 July 2014 11: 15
        0
        No, and you will not have your homeland under the fifth of the Turks and Amers!
        1. Vovavvs
          Vovavvs 4 July 2014 11: 18
          0
          PSA my name is Skobelev
  36. regul10108
    regul10108 3 July 2014 23: 06
    +2
    Ukrobanderlogam come cracks! What they hope for is incomprehensible! fool
  37. pvv113
    pvv113 4 July 2014 00: 41
    +3
    Quote: pazuhinm
    Not so ... Bulgarians do not mind, even FOR. But their government ... We didn’t do anything good for him.

    But the government, like all other European governments, has no opinion and is waiting for what Uncle Sam will say, so that later he will support him with a friendly bark
  38. Leprechaun
    Leprechaun 4 July 2014 01: 47
    0
    Quote: meriem1
    Yes!!! They were freed from the Turks, and Tsar Boris fought on the side of Hitler !!!

    They got ahead, and by the way, they fought against Russia in World War I. But in World War II Bulgaria still refused to declare war on the USSR and remained neutral until in 1944 the USSR itself declared war on Bulgaria.
    1. goose
      goose 4 July 2014 12: 37
      0
      And where could they go if the king was German, and even such promises were received by the growth of the territory.
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  39. Wolka
    Wolka 4 July 2014 06: 49
    +1
    nothing surprising: friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart ... bully
  40. Vovavvs
    Vovavvs 4 July 2014 11: 11
    0
    "Bastards, definitely!" V.F.Zhirinovsky
  41. Vovavvs
    Vovavvs 4 July 2014 11: 13
    0
    PS Well, nothing, since the Turks failed, winter and Ukrainians will teach them to love their homeland!
  42. Zolotse
    Zolotse 4 July 2014 11: 48
    +1
    The Minister of Defense said: "We will celebrate the victory in the Ukrainian Sevastopol" and signed with a closed pen ... that says it all.
  43. fevg
    fevg 4 July 2014 12: 35
    +1
    h.z.? comments are all about Bulgarians, for some reason? Gas for Hungary is cheaper than friendship with Ukraine. The grounds are the Soviet-American "friendship". Sov. Union and Warsaw. the agreement was ruined by us ourselves with the help of the state. The "democratic" Magyars helped a lot. Now the "help" period is over. Previously, the Hungarians were "obligated" to help at American orders. But it was not in vain that we stood there (Soviet troops) and carried the TRUTH and true friendship to the Magyars. They are the same people, and from Ugorshchyna. Ours, in a word. Ukrainians (not to be confused with Ukrainians) hate Russians, considering them a Finno-Ugric tribe. And the Magyars - that's it! And what should hinder our interaction?
  44. goose
    goose 4 July 2014 12: 35
    +1
    Quote: bagatura
    We have such a choice-proportional system! Party Gauleiter, determine who will be on the lists! No matter how he is a person and a professional, it is important that he did not think and obey! The people really do not pick anything! To replace it, an ugly system must be called. Great assembly of the people it is necessary to make a new constitution, etc. But ... of course, the politicians do not want to, because, as they say, the American turkeys do not vote for Christmas to come!

    Correctly, as in Iceland, the main method of expression of the people is direct popular vote, i.e. referendum. This is democracy, i.e. the dictatorship of the real majority, not money.
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  46. Bormental
    Bormental 4 July 2014 13: 35
    0
    Hungary is a country that is really offended (according to the results of WWI), and has not yet got a chance for revenge. But dreams and grievances have not disappeared, and dill should be weakened, bitten so that there will be little, especially since there is a reason (Magyars in Transcarpathia).
    1. cosmos132
      cosmos132 4 July 2014 14: 36
      0
      An occasion not only for Hungary, but also for Poland, Romania.
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  48. Kupez
    Kupez 4 July 2014 20: 08
    0
    Everything is known by comparison. And the comparison will be winter. And God forbid, it will be cold. The nature is always on our side. The heat does not break bones.
  49. Sibom
    Sibom 5 July 2014 13: 44
    0
    Zhirinovsky is right, it was necessary to feed less all "allies", and even more so Ukraine. But the Ukrainians were in power in the USSR, from 54 to 91, so they ruined EVERYTHING!
  50. varela
    varela 5 July 2014 15: 47
    0
    Who would doubt that!
    This is so in European, so in modern - to chat in someone’s language, but think about your pocket and your ass ...
    By the way, we are not far from them in this.