Military Review

Gasless tango

The longer Russia’s advance payment system for gas continues to operate, and the more warm summer days left behind, the more feverishly the Ukrainian political leadership begins to think about ways out of this situation. At the same time, the decisive principle for Kiev is still the option under which Ukraine will not pay Russia a penny on debts. Acting in the style of "And let Miller wait ...", Kiev thinks about how, without paying for gas from Russia, all the same, prepare for the onset of the cold season, which only seems very distant. Russian Prime Minister Medvedev, who predicted a full-fledged gas crisis in Ukraine this fall, added the feveriness to the thoughts of the Ukrainian authorities.

What steps is Kiev going to do to prevent Medvedev’s forecast from coming true?

Option One: banal theft. This method during the time in power in Ukraine of the most diverse (up to the opposite political views) authorities worked. It is believed that this method works now. True, a big minus of this method for Ukraine is that if gas is continuously stolen, then by the first night frosts gas will certainly be seized in the European Union. And even though they get the CPU, they can dance under the Washington flute, but they are able to count the money, and therefore they will surely find where exactly the paid cubic meters disappear from the pipe.
This means that the option of theft is good for Kiev, but Ukraine can only be used as an accompanying move, since Ukraine is paying too close attention today to be able to steal enough.

The second option means NAK "Naftogaz of Ukraine". According to the proposals of the management of Naftogaz, Ukraine should immediately be transferred to the rails of a large storage facility of American and European liquefied gas. In the terminology of the Ukrainian oil and gas company, it sounds like this: create a hub so that gas from this hub can later be sent to consumers. That is, Naftogaz offers American and European companies to pump gas (first of all, we are talking about liquefied fuel) into Ukrainian storages (including UGS), and Ukraine will send gas that has already been injected to those who are going to buy it. In this case, Kiev is going to commit itself to the formation of the Eastern European Exchange.

The main goal of this proposal is to reduce European “dependence” on Russian blue fuel. They say that neither Ukraine nor Europe will soon need Russian gas and the gas will be supplied by Americans, Algerians, Qatari and Norwegians, and honest Ukrainian “master gas schemes” will sell this gas at reasonable prices for consumers.

Well ... Such a fairy tale must be very beautiful for Ukraine. Especially for that part of it, which is simply crazy about “European integration”, having plunged into the Russophobic project being implemented on the territory of the Square.

Can the proposals of NAK “Naftogaz” to create an exchange hub on the territory of Ukraine for the concentration of gas volumes and their implementation be considered seriously? If from mentioning such a name as “Yatsenyuk” a person pulls out howl “no more died ...”, then undoubtedly, it can be considered and even necessary - the doctors, they say, are advised to resort to delusional fantasies ... For all the others, such proposals look at least least absurd.

The main absurdity is that in order to turn Ukraine into a gas hub, the gas itself must be taken somewhere. The fact that it can put the Americans, unless there can be doubts? Of course, they will. At first, they can even declare that the price of such gas is mere pennies ... It will be clear even for the finally politicized American businessmen (and there are such, apparently) to drag gas through the Bosphorus to the banks of the Square to sell gas gas, for example, Poland or the Czech Republic - pure economic masochism. For a long time, breaking the comedy with the low cost of such supplies, the American business cannot simply by definition - the loot for the States always wins ... So, in the end, the price of gas supplies from the US to the Ukrainian "hub" will be such that with similar success for Kiev gas receive from the depths of asteroids, which undoubtedly will be "exactly" (well, like the Ukrainian army, shells ...) send ukroastronauts directly into the target - into the "neck" of the UGS ...
But what about Norwegian or Qatari gas? Yes, about the same ... Any representative of the Norwegian gas sector, having only imagined the route of deliveries of liquefied gas to Ukrainian UGS, and considering that Ukraine is going to resell gas, will think for a long time: is it such an anecdote or “Naftogaz” - seriously? ..

Then the only option left is to pump gas from Russia. But this way is not for the Ukrainian authorities. Not for this, these braziers in the chairs of the government offices sat down.

Third Embodiment from Kiev. Premier Yatsenyuk spoke about him a couple of weeks ago, and now he has returned to his (or someone suggested) idea. It's about the possibility of introducing a state of emergency in Ukraine in the energy sector. But this option is precisely the reason why all of this Ukrainian “gopak”, perhaps, was started. Well, at least, including for the sake of it ...

From the speech Yatsenyuk (quotes to Reuters):

In the event of a special period, enterprises, institutions and organizations of the fuel and energy complex must comply with the instructions of the central executive bodies (...) despite the conditions of the signed agreements.

In case of restriction or termination of energy supplies to the territory of Ukraine, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine may decide on the mandatory sale of natural gas by gas producing enterprises (...) to a subject authorized by the Cabinet of Ministers (...) at a price set by the government.

The main points are: “despite the conditions of the signed contracts” and “at a price fixed by the government”.

That is, Kiev is going to legitimize not only the methods of coming to power on the basis of a coup d'etat (judging by the new proposals for amendments to the Constitution from Poroshenko), but also the possibility not to comply with any agreements, interfering in the trade relations of the subjects. That is, if company A bought energy from company B for the price of, for example, 1 “Tugrik”, but didn’t like such a deal for Kiev, then Kiev is utterly clumsy: announces a state of emergency and sets such a price for companies to benefit exclusively from the ukrovlast. Wants - poltugrika, wants - all five. This is due to circumstances. If this is not a corruption scheme, then what? ..

Oh yes! More reverse supplies ... Fourth option.

On the eve of Kiev announced that the Slovak Eustream AS has completed accepting applications from companies intending to supply gas from Slovakia by reverse to the territory of Ukraine. For God's sake! If Slovakia has got too much extra cheap gas, then let it deliver. Only Gazprom will have to ask the question: why is Slovakia relatively cheap, and even extra gas? .. Gazprom doesn’t like it when someone’s dreams come true based on the gas it produces ...

PS Their morals:

Gasless tango
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 4 July 2014 09: 23
    Maydown's commentary is very revealing. The main point: how is it that we want to eat, they promised us to eat, so it's not fair!
    1. Canep
      Canep 4 July 2014 09: 44
      Entrusting Ukraine with the storage of European gas is the same as entrusting the goat with cabbage.
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The main point: how is it that we want to eat, they promised us to eat, so it's not fair!
      I will not be surprised if they begin to demand money from Europe for transit.
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 4 July 2014 10: 19
        Quote: Canep
        Entrusting Ukraine with the storage of European gas is the same as entrusting the goat with cabbage.

        Moreover, much is said about the catastrophic deterioration of the gas transmission system and gas storages in particular. Everyone is talking about the possibility (with a probability close to 100%) of serious accidents, explosions with difficult to eliminate consequences. (Very expensive.) No funds for repairs and maintenance - get it! And injected, but not paid gas has an even higher explosion hazard ...
        1. WKS
          WKS 4 July 2014 11: 35
          Some options, nonsense. There are no options there except UKR (ast) gas, UKR (ast) oil and UKR (ast) something else. Because all available means go to war. If there is any calculation, then this is a quick victory in New Russia and obtaining loans from the west. No other options are miscalculated, and if miscalculated, then only by narrow specialists for internal use. Political schizophrenia in the country leaves no choice.
          1. Nikolaychuk
            Nikolaychuk 4 July 2014 12: 29
            The war is not in vain waged in for New Russia!
            There is another option. In Novorossia there are deposits of shale gas. They take the region under their control. They are cleared from the pro-Russian population. They produce shale gas for themselves and for sale in Europe! The managers of the company will put some kind of son from the government of the BAM OF ABAMA! Russia is losing money and leverage over Europe! The Americans are getting it all.
            They get coal, they drive used nuclear fuel into the mines (they used to buy it from us and utilize it in Russia). They prepare a springboard for an attack!
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 4 July 2014 15: 29
              Something like this will be -
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 4 July 2014 20: 51
                Few people know, but in Ukraine the SBU is starting to arrest people who simply appear on the Internet as personal correspondence, comments against or criticism of the Kiev authorities ...
            2. biznaw
              biznaw 5 July 2014 01: 33
              In the conditions of the civil war, it is unrealistic to organize even the production of seeders, especially the production and transportation of gas. There are many wells, drilling is expensive, the produced gas must be transported from the rebellious territory. The protection of this entire economy will require attracting more armed people than it is now participating in the ATO. Moreover, wells and pipelines still can not be saved, minefields will not help, a shot from an RPG and start all over again. In Ukraine after Ukraine, talking about any infrastructure projects is ridiculous.
              The other day I visited Crimea with surprise and nostalgia I saw trolleybuses from the 60s on the roads, i.e. Ukraine, which has not yet died, is not just a gas pipeline; for 23 years of its independence, it was not able to renew the Soviet fleet.
              1. fox21h
                fox21h 5 July 2014 17: 00
                Quote: biznaw

                .... The other day I visited Crimea with surprise and nostalgia I saw trolleybuses from the 60s on the roads, i.e. Ukraine, which has not yet died, is not just a gas pipeline; for 23 years of its independence, it was not able to renew the Soviet fleet.

                Well, it’s necessary to work, but they better jump, there was no contract about the work
              2. smart Fox
                smart Fox 5 July 2014 19: 11
                it’s like the info went away that the shell leaves the project because of = unstable situation
            3. Basarev
              Basarev 5 July 2014 16: 53
              Here are just a scenario this is some kind of fantastic. New Russians will not surrender unambiguously. And without this, all the other points lose their meaning.
          2. Leprechaun
            Leprechaun 4 July 2014 18: 04
            Quote: wks
            Political schizophrenia in the country leaves no choice.

            It seems to us that those who came to power schizophrenics. They are all pragmatic cynics who do everything for the sole purpose of earning money, and they apparently are not interested in methods. They will milk Ukraine and rake the loot until they are stopped.
      2. Russophile
        Russophile 4 July 2014 10: 49
        Wait, they will also demand money and preferences from Russia for a thousand-year occupation and misunderstanding of the European dream of dill. There is another option. Historically, it has already been "proven" that the ancient Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea by hand. And here the field is not plowed for the realization of dreams: from payment for slave labor to rent from Russians, Turkish, Bulgarian, etc. vacationers for a couple of thousand years ...
        1. Andy1967
          Andy1967 4 July 2014 17: 37
          Wonderful! And yet, perhaps, since the "super-Ukrainians" are also the basis of the entire population of the globe, then from all of them you also need ... a bribe! :)
        2. tehnoluks
          tehnoluks 5 July 2014 00: 27
          Historically, it has already been "proven" that ancient Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea by hand

          And if you take into account that the Caucasus Mountains are dumps of rock from the bottom of the Black Sea, then what, the peoples of the Caucasus are GOET?
        3. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 5 July 2014 23: 22
          Almost guessed right. They are going to demand through the international court (I do not remember what) compensation for the ATO and the bombed cities and enterprises of the southeast, as well as for everything that they could not sow, grow and harvest in the fields.
      3. OTTO
        OTTO 4 July 2014 11: 04
        Quote: Canep
        I will not be surprised if they begin to demand money from Europe for transit.

        I clarify - money for the transit of gas which maydanschiki themselves from the pipe with ... pumped out.
      4. WKS
        WKS 4 July 2014 11: 39
        Quote: Canep
        I will not be surprised if they begin to demand money from Europe for transit.

        For keeping, for diligence, for attentive attitude, for "Polish" love for the USA.
        1. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 4 July 2014 13: 03
          And here you have dill, the fifth option.
      5. neri73-r
        neri73-r 4 July 2014 14: 31
        If this is not a corrupt scheme, then what? ..

        This is not a corrupt scheme, this is a scheme of lawlessness !!! Usually (in human practice) such subjects are shot off after some time !!! What and the junta wish, God forgive me !!!
      6. Nick
        Nick 4 July 2014 21: 28
        Quote: Canep
        I will not be surprised if they begin to demand money from Europe for transit.

        What we fought for, we ran into it ... Our gayropeyskie "friends".
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      8. tehnoluks
        tehnoluks 5 July 2014 00: 24
        entrust the goat with cabbage

        You can't trust a rabbit, too, "cabbage" ...
    2. The point
      The point 5 July 2014 13: 33
      Locusts are locusts. All gobble up.
    3. MSA
      MSA 5 July 2014 16: 19
      It seems that Europe still does not understand who they contacted ...
      1. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 6 July 2014 13: 23
        He will understand when the crowds of Ukrainians will rush through Poland and the Czech Republic, to Germany about to warm themselves and devour. And they will yell like victims, they say you promised !!!! Here the Germans and other ropa, find out how much the Ukrainians rebellion, meaningless and useless ....
  2. Stypor23
    Stypor23 4 July 2014 09: 23
    Mikhaon, soon opu in the literal sense, you will substitute them, along with comrades
    1. Altona
      Altona 4 July 2014 10: 24
      Quote: Stypor23
      Mikhaon, soon opu in the literal sense, you will substitute them, along with comrades

      Why so? To eat peas at once and use gas from your dupa ...)))
      1. OTTO
        OTTO 4 July 2014 11: 07
        Quote: Altona
        To eat peas at once and use gas from your dupa ...)))

        Who did not fart - that ... from Muscovy !!!
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  3. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 4 July 2014 09: 25
    An interesting statement by Mixaon - it is starting to slowly reach even the brainwashed! Yes, guys, they threw you, threw you, shod you! There is such a concept - "a person deceived by a bully"! hi
    1. arane
      arane 4 July 2014 14: 20
      Has it become? Maidan and kidalovo became synonyms! If only it were once ..... Already not even funny .... who else had not thrown them? Imbits! And mind you, they don’t work, they stick out in the square, they want to eat, they’re warm and they urge them to achieve this by theft and robbery
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 4 July 2014 17: 42
        Quote: arane
        stick out on the square
        - waiting for a cookie! Once a ride! laughing
    2. papas-57
      papas-57 4 July 2014 23: 23
      `` An interesting statement by Mixaon - it is starting to slowly reach even the brainwashed. '' Yes, not a damn thing gets to him. He drives to Geyropa, but it will be popularly explained to him that Moscow is to blame for everything. And only Moscow.
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    KAPITANUS 4 July 2014 09: 29
    Oh winter, winter how close you are!
  5. mig31
    mig31 4 July 2014 09: 36
    Season autumn 2014 - winter 2015 for geyropa, and especially for Ukraine, boots and sheepskin coats are relevant ...
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 4 July 2014 09: 39
      Quote: mig31
      for geyropa, and especially for Ukraine, boots and sheepskin coats are relevant
      - which are also produced in Russia ... laughing
    2. Vades
      Vades 4 July 2014 10: 20
      What sheepskin coats? Vatniki them, and only VATNIKI !!! And the colors of St. George’s ribbon. smile
      1. builder
        builder 4 July 2014 22: 22
        Quote: Vades
        What sheepskin coats? Vatniki them, and only VATNIKI !!! And the colors of St. George’s ribbon.

    3. Deadmen
      Deadmen 5 July 2014 18: 25
      Then for them the word "quilted jacket" will become not a curse, but a means of survival.
    4. macarque
      macarque 10 July 2014 23: 45
      And VATNIKI, national dill clothes.
  6. Sergei 57
    Sergei 57 4 July 2014 09: 40
    In principle, everything is predictable, as smart people predicted, only behind the races on the Maidan there really is time to listen.
  7. alper
    alper 4 July 2014 09: 42
    Reverse is, of course, great, but something tells me that you have to pay for it. Or again pumped out for a few lards, and then they say that the price is unfair and refuse to pay?
    Really Slovaks did not think about it ???
    1. nicollider
      nicollider 4 July 2014 09: 52
      in Slovakia thought. there is probably a prepayment.
    2. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 4 July 2014 09: 53
      Slovaks were told - Slovaks signed. Who will ask them. This is democracy, freedom is ...
  8. kowalski
    kowalski 4 July 2014 09: 46
    Ukraine is taking leaps and bounds to the EU! And no one promised to feed on the road ... Rather, it would be winter!
  9. sergant89
    sergant89 4 July 2014 09: 49
    I'm sure if Ukraine would have had such a sum for gas to the United States, American troops would have already pounded tomahawks across the country due to lack of democracy, genocide, human rights violations, etc., and we are negotiating with our European "partners" and expressing protest notes.
    PS from personal: I was on a business trip for 2 days, I was on a business trip, I got a call from Rostelecom and said that the phone was disconnected for non-payment and if the debt in the amount of 678 rubles is not repaid within 10 days, then penalties will come into force in the form of accrual of interest on the amount of all debt ,,, and no delay in payment for many months, partners interested in a positive solution to the issue and discounts (this is all about him a national property), somehow beat your own so that others are afraid, BUT for some reason- then they are not going to be afraid. request
  10. Vend
    Vend 4 July 2014 10: 00
    The article finale really liked. This is Bendery. We will steal, this is our right
  11. iung
    iung 4 July 2014 10: 01
    "The winter is coming".
  12. Ministry of Internal Affairs of the KGB TRP
    Yeah, the hohlokommentarii especially touched laughing
  13. Siberian
    Siberian 4 July 2014 10: 05
    Just as Somalia is now saying: you have deprived us of everything, the country has been torn apart and abandoned. Now they have to feed us. We have nothing to do - only piracy. And Ukraine is ready for "piracy" from the day of birth. Close and control the border, no ukrogastarbeiters, let them farm laborers in the EU.
    1. Officer's Wife
      Officer's Wife 4 July 2014 10: 21
      Yes, even a stream of Nazi horses to direct towards Europe.
  14. Tanya
    Tanya 4 July 2014 10: 15
    Majdaun’s aggressive dependent attitude towards Europe is the European choice. Soon, Europeans will better recognize Ukrainians.
  15. Vovavvs
    Vovavvs 4 July 2014 10: 18
    The junta, without any autumn, perfectly understands that all options are not real, except the first. Yes, it’s scary to go along it: they somehow bit off 15% of the transit, and Russia in response cut off 15% of the territory ...
  16. Officer's Wife
    Officer's Wife 4 July 2014 10: 19
    In Ukraine, all life is built on two slogans:
    1. Russia and Putin are to blame.
    2. You owe us.

    Nezalezhnaya's demands are turning towards a democratic Europe, since Russia cannot keep this Bandera mess with its hands. And the citizens of the Russian Federation would not understand. Although I still don’t understand why gas was sold to Ukraine under Kuchma at a lower cost, with all his anti-Russian rhetoric and libels like the book “Ukraine is not Russia”.
  17. Vovavvs
    Vovavvs 4 July 2014 10: 23
    PS And the money for the transit of Yatsenyuk (it will become) it is necessary to demand not from Europe, but from Russia))) Moreover, for the transit of gas unpaid by them: after all, it was transported through their territory right to the storage facilities.
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 July 2014 10: 24
    What is gas? we drive the indebted into debt on gas. Do not heat up. When amers get tired of supporting Svidomo, then we will present for payment. And at the expense of refugees and Gaster, I think that completely different people will live in their Ukrainian apartments by winter.
  19. Tyumen
    Tyumen 4 July 2014 10: 25
    I read Ukrainian comments and was amazed. They are seriously speaking about the huge payments of Russia to Ukraine for Siberian gas. Based on the fact that in the USSR, Siberia mastered many Ukrainians. The desire for a freebie is simply surprising.
  20. Evgesh91
    Evgesh91 4 July 2014 10: 35
    Oh! how so??? no one wants poor hohlushkas, they have marred and left ... ahhhhhhh Europe.
    Morons. finally doper that they are not needed by anyone, except for Russia. yes late.
  21. Turbo rabbit
    Turbo rabbit 4 July 2014 10: 43
    I, as a specialist working in the field of trunk pipeline transport, I can say. There will be no reverse at the available capacities! These are dreams.
    1. starpom
      starpom 4 July 2014 14: 55
      Quote: Turbo-Rabbit
      There will be no reverse at the available capacities! These are dreams.

      This is a pseudo reverse. Gas is taken in the direction of travel.
  22. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 4 July 2014 10: 47
    Meet the guest soon
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 4 July 2014 12: 00
      "Is the girl warm to you? smile Are you warm, red? "
      1. The point
        The point 5 July 2014 14: 01
        Quote: Kahlan Amnell
        Are you warm, red? "

        Are you warm, blue?
      2. macarque
        macarque 10 July 2014 23: 50
        The won’s not red, the won’s blue, but a little yellowish
  23. CIANIT
    CIANIT 4 July 2014 11: 41
    WEST is not RUSSIA a generous soul, for every penny it will "tear 3 skins".
  24. Lelek
    Lelek 4 July 2014 11: 44
    Reverse gas flow from a high pressure pipe is nonsense of an illiterate first grader. Mr. YaytseNYUKH, warm up (urgently order quilts for members of the so-called "glad"). Take special care of Lyashko's ass, because the prisoners are already on edge. bully
  25. bucha12
    bucha12 4 July 2014 11: 44
    Order of Yaytsenyuhu !!!!
  26. kind
    kind 4 July 2014 11: 59
    Of course, Europe will help, because it is Ukraine laughing
    1. sskalinin
      sskalinin 5 July 2014 02: 27
      kidalovo and maidan are one and the same
    KUOLEMA 4 July 2014 12: 05
    Yes, they will not freeze in the winter, they will calmly steal from the pipe and Europe’s mouth will be closed, so by the way it was
  28. djtyysq
    djtyysq 4 July 2014 12: 14
    In general, Ukraine still has chances1
  29. papa-billy
    papa-billy 4 July 2014 12: 14
    Mdya In short: we stole gas earlier, we will always steal!
  30. mr_Akira
    mr_Akira 4 July 2014 12: 16
    "Winter is Coming" as they say in one TV show.
  31. mamont5
    mamont5 4 July 2014 12: 21
    Yes, especially the quotation "maydanauta" amused. Are they really so seriously sure of this that the EU has made this mess for the sake of their European "bright" future?
  32. Serbor
    Serbor 4 July 2014 12: 24
    Yesterday I saw an interview with a sane Ukrainian gas specialist.
    1. Technically, reverse gas through an existing pipe is not possible.
    2. Actually, the reverse will be called the selection of gas intended, for example, for Slovakia, for which Slovakia will have to be paid, but not the price that Slovakia pays Russia.
    3. The reverse will be able to provide no more than 30% of the need.
    4. The supply of liquefied gas from the United States and Norway is not even funny.
    5. Russia is responsible for the final volume of gas at the Ukraine-EU border!
    6. Russia refused to invest in supporting the Ukrainian gas transport system
    1. Theft is inevitable - this is the only way out for Ukraine.
    2. We cannot influence the situation in any way (see paragraph 5)
    3. Therefore, Miller and vomits one place for the South Stream - this is the only way to exclude transit through the territory and to stop the theft of theft
    4. The most important thing. I think that the alleged losses of Gazprom are already in our gas tariffs. Sad
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 4 July 2014 13: 20
      Quote: Serbor
      4. The most important thing. I think that the alleged losses of Gazprom are already in our gas tariffs. Sad
      - and Miller also asked Putin to unfreeze gas tariffs for the population - like for the construction of the Power of Siberia ... I didn't catch up with something - there should be an advance payment from the Chinese! wassat
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 4 July 2014 21: 57
        There is such a value-added tax. One of the declared goals of this tax is to stimulate exports, this is due to the reduction of the domestic market and, most importantly, industrial production. For example, Gazprom sells gas to Ukraine for $ 500, while the Russian budget should return refundable VAT to gas companies , in Ukraine it is 20% (I don’t know how much in Russia) i.e. $ 100 per thousand cubic meters. Naturally, there is never enough money in the budget for reimbursement. Here Miller comes to Putin and proposes to increase domestic gas prices, for transportation, simply speaking, to increase domestic VAT and thereby reduce the export VAT refund, and he also proposes to build some kind of flow, again, the refundable VAT will decrease, and you can steal on such a construction. Wow. One only misfortune, this tax empty the pockets of citizens no worse than a vacuum cleaner, the same thing happens with working capital of enterprises, industry is simply destroyed and all for the sake of export. And you know what Russia mainly exports. As long as there is VAT, neither Russia nor Ukraine will ever get out of poverty. There wouldn’t be this tax, there would be no oligarchs either for you or for us. For other countries would be.
    2. sskalinin
      sskalinin 5 July 2014 02: 39
      if you carefully read the Gazprom contract for the supply of gas from Russia to Europe, then all responsibility lies with Russia; there is no question of any transit countries at all; all the gas cheese boron happened because Russia is obliged to ensure gas supplies to Europe, regardless of the transit countries. this is how the northern stream is built. the main recipient of Germany. the south stream will be built exactly the same way. The main recipient is Austria. If the final recipient of the gas received what he paid everything, OK. and through which countries and how was this raw material delivered to customers
  33. northerner lech
    northerner lech 4 July 2014 12: 26
    I think they’re preparing for the development of their shales. Today there was news that a New York court banned the development of shales, I did not understand the current in the state itself or in the United States at all. It looks like the copper basin will be shale gas to the United States. Hence, there is such a frantic pressure on New Russia, deliveries of weapons from the nearest worst neighbors, that is, to take control of gas fields at all costs. And it seems to me that they will crush Novorossia, no matter what, spitting on everyone and everything.
    1. Serbor
      Serbor 4 July 2014 12: 46
      On shale gas. At least 4-6 years must pass from exploration and obtaining reliable data on the field to industrial production in acceptable volumes. Shale mining is not cheap (where is the money, Zin !?). If Novorossia cannot be strangled, then all the ideas on shale gas in the anus. And finally, even the production of shale gas in maximum volumes will cover no more than 40% of the demand.
  34. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 4 July 2014 12: 52
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Maydown's commentary is very revealing. The main point: how is it that we want to eat, they promised us to eat, so it's not fair!

    This is the case when Napoleon in the madhouse realized that he was not Napoleon !!! wassat
  35. Rarahin
    Rarahin 4 July 2014 13: 01
    By the way, Yatsenyuk still threatens to prohibit windows with window leaves from doing)))
  36. Dmitro_d
    Dmitro_d 4 July 2014 13: 25
    Unfortunately, there is another option !!! This is a betrayal of our oligarchs !!! Where everything will return to square one !!!!!
    1. 16112014nk
      16112014nk 4 July 2014 22: 11
      This option is already being implemented.
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  37. builder
    builder 4 July 2014 13: 48
    Ukraine will enter the Guinness Book of Records as the owner of the largest monument - an empty rusty gas pipe. "Monument to greed and stupidity". Along which, on long winter evenings, you can arrange ritual dances with jumping ...
  38. mihasik
    mihasik 4 July 2014 13: 51

    At last! Dill, now your cash cow in the West. East no more, no, don’t even look back!
  39. Forest
    Forest 4 July 2014 13: 53
    If the Ukrainian government - Bokai + Valtsman - does not comply with the price of the contract in the gas sector, then all attempts to negotiate with them in all areas are doomed to deception .....
  40. Akos28
    Akos28 4 July 2014 14: 14
    There is a vivid picture of how things were on Mars ... First, the Maidan, then the extraction of shale gas, then deforestation, grass digging, burning peat, wheels, fences, houses, the atmosphere .... am
  41. Roshchin
    Roshchin 4 July 2014 14: 26
    Gasless lard will not tear dill throat yet. The gas comedy, which is always free for Ukraine, has been going on for many years. Let’s see if gas comedy will grow into drama in the fall, with the purchase of tickets to the best places.
  42. scout
    scout 4 July 2014 15: 06
    PS I liked it very much)) This is a normal Ukrainian feeling. Everyone should and must be guilty. Indeed, it is time already to put responsibility on E.S. ...
  43. father nikon
    father nikon 4 July 2014 15: 21
    Option two
    Naftogaz offers American and European companies to pump gas (primarily liquefied fuel) to Ukrainian storages (including UGS facilities), and Ukraine will send the already pumped gas to those who are planning to buy it
    won't work either. The state of the GTS and the possibilities of the Ukrainian UGS facilities will not be able to provide guaranteed supplies "to those who are going to buy it"
    Article plus, especially the ending about Gazprom good
  44. leobos
    leobos 4 July 2014 15: 43
    Really got it! ? It seems to be not from Estonia, but only six months later, they figured out what was happening.
  45. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 4 July 2014 16: 09
    Here, gentlemen, pravoseki, the West will not help you. They themselves have a headache in which swamp the Americans dragged them, not to mention Ukraine. But you’ll have to pay the bills, but what’s the matter, you won’t get so much fat, and Gazprom is unlikely to go for such a barter.
  46. tag17
    tag17 4 July 2014 17: 04
    As there is Gaidar: we would have to stand the night, but hold out the day ... And there either the shah or the ass will die ... or we will have time to escape beyond the Canadian border.
  47. Lyton
    Lyton 4 July 2014 17: 25
    Well, the comment at the end of the article from Michael simply didn’t kill, it’s necessary to be such an idiom, to scratch such things, they all argue like that or through one, here the Chuvachs are zombified, they all turns out to be.
    1. Kerzhak
      Kerzhak 4 July 2014 19: 08
      Remember the Soviet joke about Ukrainians: that I do not eat, then I bite. They have always been like that.
  48. Kerzhak
    Kerzhak 4 July 2014 19: 06
    Quote: Canep
    I will not be surprised if they begin to demand money from Europe for transit.

    It is necessary to prompt this thought to them.
  49. Signaller
    Signaller 4 July 2014 19: 06
    I’m just curious. EVERYTHING - absolutely EVERYONE writes and says that Ukraine is KHANA. Only now they have a dollar in the region of 12 grams. Well, it's about a 2.5 times drop. Where is Khan ???? just wondering. Here we have in Russia in August 98 from 3 to 24 p. the dollar has grown (it's 8 times) or the ruble has crashed. That was the exact HANA. Nothing, they did it. So they have. They are fighting, yes, but the economy is holding on. It seems to me that I don’t have to wait for everything when it collapses, she apparently still has those reserves. Of course, not everything is smooth, but we would have an exact paragraph, if it had become the same. Personally, I do not like it when all the analysts say that Ukraine will collapse, and in the morning you get up, you look, it's worth it. I think such analysts. Fool us, oh fool us. There is no sober calculation. So one policy, no more, like, should collapse and all. This does not happen.
  50. Uzer 13.
    Uzer 13. 4 July 2014 19: 34
    Winter is just around the corner and South Stream is on the way. What remains? Unnecessary gas pipes, loss of transit payments and debts.