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Disagreements on the Ukrainian issue do not prevent Washington from continuing purchases of Russian engines

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The United States does not refuse to import Russian RD-180 space engines, although they continue to work on domestic power plants, “in order to be ready for any future developments.” About this correspondent RIA News said Mark Bitterman, vice president of the United Launch Alliance.

Disagreements on the Ukrainian issue do not prevent Washington from continuing purchases of Russian engines


Recently, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that Americans are not only continuing to buy Russian engines, but are also going to increase their number.

Commenting on the words of Rogozin, Bitterman said:
"By contributing to the fulfillment of national security requirements, we will continue to import RD-180 engines and conduct business in the usual way."
According to him, work in this direction meets the national interests of America.

In turn, President Obama’s national security adviser Ben Rhodes said:
“We really want to work with Russia where we can.”


He noted that "even in this difficult period," the American president is convinced of the need for further dialogue with Russia, while he "is coordinated with European leaders regarding contacts with Moscow."

“In the Ukrainian issue, as you know, we occupy different positions, but we leave the door for dialogue open”
said rhodes. In his opinion, the root of the existing disagreements over Ukraine "lies not in our desire to punish Russia, but in the fact that we are confident that people (in each country) must make decisions and choose their own way."

Meanwhile, earlier Vladimir Putin declared that it was the external pressure that provoked an anti-constitutional coup in Ukraine and is now pushing it towards an artificial choice between Russia and Europe, which, in turn, has led Ukrainian society to a split.
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  1. awg75
    awg75 3 July 2014 09: 37
    +19
    the false double US policy in all its glory
    1. siberko
      siberko 3 July 2014 09: 39
      +25
      And our coexistence ...
      1. dr.Bo
        dr.Bo 3 July 2014 10: 00
        +5
        Quote: siberko
        And our coexistence ...

        Nepoymu! Why can't engines be bargained for our interests ?!
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 3 July 2014 10: 30
          +2
          Quote: dr.Bo
          Nepoymu! Why can't engines be bargained for our interests ?!

          Because the interests are "Our", and the business of selling engines is not "Our"! Everything fits very clearly into the concept of this article:
          http://insiderblogs.info/project-utilizacia-rossii-nacalo/

          Do not be too lazy to read and much will become clear.
      2. sub307
        sub307 3 July 2014 10: 14
        +4
        That's it: "... it was external pressure that provoked an anti-constitutional coup in Ukraine and is now pushing it towards an artificial choice between Russia and Europe, which, in turn, has led Ukrainian society to a split." And further: "" As part of our contribution to meeting national security requirements, we will continue to import RD-180 engines and conduct business as usual. "
        Thus, we can conclude: the United States always gets what it wants (both the "mess in Ukraine" and the engines) because "flies with cutlets do not interfere."
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      4. Rubmolot
        Rubmolot 3 July 2014 10: 16
        +4
        Capital ... avoids noise and abuse and is characterized by a fearful nature. It is true, but that is not the whole truth. Capital is afraid of lack of profit or profit too small, just as nature is afraid of emptiness. But once sufficient profit is available, capital becomes bold. Provide 10 percent, and capital agrees to any use, at 20 percent it becomes lively, at 50 percent it is positively ready to break its head, at 100 percent it violates all human laws, at 300 percent, there is no crime that he would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows. If noise and abuse bring profit, capital will contribute to both.
        Evidence: smuggling and trafficking in slaves.
        T. J. Dunning
      5. twin22
        twin22 3 July 2014 10: 40
        +5
        siberko
        And our coexistence ...


        And this is very in our opinion. Download u.kropam gas for free. Sell ​​rocket engines to the enemy (to launch military satellites)
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 18: 01
          0
          You might think that they used to fly into space without engines! On a trampoline bounced. But our engines wean their little by little to produce, and dependence on others is not the best quality of the state. At the same time, we value our story a little: when our showed the Tu-4 at an air parade, no one believed that it was Russian-made, since the amers knew about the 4 B-29 of the repressed USSR and considered that it was they who were repaired and only the number of aircraft the exceeding 4 pieces convinced them that the Russians had done the impossible: without transferring documentation and production technologies, to master the production of an advanced aircraft. They thought it was NOT POSSIBLE! for such a short period.
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      7. knn54
        knn54 3 July 2014 10: 56
        0
        -siberko: And our coexistence ...
        Place "info" in the European media - maybe the "guardians" of sanctions will see their light ...
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    2. Момент
      Момент 3 July 2014 09: 46
      +2
      They are afraid that the American astronauts will starve to death, but the new satellites will cease to spy, and so far it has not been possible to use a slingshot and with a trampoline.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 3 July 2014 09: 55
        +11
        I quietly goof off the article! The author accuses America of the fact that despite the events in Ukraine, the United States continues to buy engines in the Russian Federation. But at the same time, the thought doesn’t occur to anyone. And what ..., in connection with the events in Ukraine, we - the USA are selling these engines? !!!
        However, it seems surprising only at first glance. In reality, business rules politics. This is wrong, but it is.
        http://insiderblogs.info/project-utilizacia-rossii-nacalo/
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 18: 17
          0
          I took one point for
          Quote: S_mirnov
          in connection with the events in Ukraine,
          because I want to ask: how is the sale of engines related to events outside of Ukraine? Our first jet fighters flew with British engines, not with analogues, but with British ones assembled at factories in England. Then they began to produce them. The same Tu-4, which I wrote about above, sat on American rubber, since it was this part of the aircraft that our industry could not master. And then at the sale they bought the necessary amount from the Americans to shoe all the Tu-4s, which were an exact copy of the B-29. And nobody tore their hair out. After all, many industrialists in Europe were outraged that sanctions from Europe hit the economy of European factories. And they rightly remarked: "Let them impose sanctions on themselves, what does industry have to do with it?" And here we have the most "Clever" one found and linked the sale of engines with the events in Ukraine. In fact, someone was thinking about the political phrase "Cold War". This is nonsense! how can there be a cold war. It’s like in a sandbox: “I don’t talk to you, but I’ll still play with your toys.” In Ukraine, there is “population destruction” and has nothing to do with Europe, except that Europe needs Ukraine as a market for its goods, but not Ukrainian goods in Europe. Well, if we don't sell engines to the Amers, they will start making their own, but our production of the whole industry will decrease.
    3. atalef
      atalef 3 July 2014 09: 56
      +8
      Quote: awg75
      the false double US policy in all its glory

      Well, in general, a purchase without a sale cannot take place somehow, I wonder if the article sounded like this --- disagreements in Ukraine do not prevent Russia from selling engines to the States - what would be the comments?
      But the essence is one
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 3 July 2014 10: 01
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        But the essence is one
        The essence is the same, and with this essence, if it were July 1941, the article would even sound like this: "The outbreak of war does not prevent Russia from fulfilling its trade obligations to Germany."
        1. atalef
          atalef 3 July 2014 10: 13
          +2
          Quote: Per se.
          Quote: atalef
          But the essence is one
          The essence is the same, and with this essence, if it were July 1941, the article would even sound like this: "The outbreak of war does not prevent Russia from fulfilling its trade obligations to Germany."

          Well, yes, in general - a two-edged sword and there is no buyer without a seller - like transactions by mutual agreement, shaking hands and pictures with a smile laughing
        2. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 18: 29
          0
          The announcement of war on the ASP did not prevent Standard Woyle from selling fuel and oils for fighter and bombers to Germany. German cars ran on "suragatny" gasoline, which the planes did not fly. This is now the 90th gasoline in the car is poured, and Stalin asked the Americans for planes under the 80th gasoline, and not under the 90th. Only in 43, Great Britain, at the insistent request of the USSR, declared war on Finland, and before that it traded with it and supplied fuel and other goods, and to whom then these goods went through Finland. So Great Britain, fighting with Germany from 39 to 43, supplied her with its goods through a "third party". We will learn all the ins and outs of the Ukrainian "cleansing" of its territory in twenty years.
    4. fktrcfylhn61
      fktrcfylhn61 3 July 2014 10: 18
      +5
      Is it only America? And what is the position of Russia much better? Everything corresponds to the thesis: Money does not smell! It is not possible to sit on all the chairs at once! Meanwhile, people continue to be killed! And between Russia and Ukraine there is only verbal skirmish. In short, exactly according to the Ukrainian proverb: Pans are fighting and at lackeys forelocks are cracking! Okay, they would burst, but in fact slaves kill each other for the lords! Guys from the south-east of Ukraine flee to Russia with the women! In short, some are definitely worthy of others! Everything follows from here!
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 18: 34
        0
        It is not for nothing that the Lord, through the prophets of the Old Testament, said: "I punish for sins up to the seventh generation" How many have already written on the forum, about mistakes in the proclamation of the DPR. It was necessary not to shout, but to do the deed, as they did in the Crimea.
    5. comprochikos
      comprochikos 3 July 2014 10: 19
      +1
      "... we are confident that people (in every country) must make their own decisions and choose their own path."

      He said something. Like we are not in the business.
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 18: 37
        0
        Quote from comprochikos
        Like we are not in the business.

        And Ukraine was in business when the Georgians supplied weapons and militants, which fired at our soldiers? You can remember at least one protest rally: "Hands off Russia."
    6. max702
      max702 3 July 2014 10: 27
      0
      Bitterman said: “By contributing to meeting national security requirements, we will continue to import RD-180 engines and conduct business as usual.”
      That's how people care about their national security, and if you rephrase this statement
      "We really want to work with Russia where we can." it will turn out like "We can work with Russia where we want" and this is the whole essence of the mattress policy, but the fact that our hucksters, strengthening the security of the United States, are selling and betraying their country, they do not care much ..
    7. armageddon
      armageddon 3 July 2014 10: 59
      0
      Hmm ... But the sword of Damocles hangs over the US Space Program ... I’m happy pancake !!!
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 18: 40
        0
        America pays for the vast majority of our missile flights. But this does not mean much.
  2. HAM
    HAM 3 July 2014 09: 40
    +3
    And I, naive, thought that only wise people live in Kiev!
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 3 July 2014 09: 44
      +4
      Do not believe your eyes, do not believe!
      Of course they will deceive,
      And the evil lie will suddenly become true
      And the peaceful beast will be scary!
  3. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 3 July 2014 09: 40
    +4
    There is a double-edged sword - it seems that we have to stop supplying engines, but they will begin to develop their own! My opinion is that the moment has not come when America will have to be left for 5-6 years without space flights! hi
    1. johnsnz
      johnsnz 3 July 2014 09: 43
      +5
      No, it’s better to supply and equip tracking systems with the ability to intercept control. This will be cool!
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 3 July 2014 09: 40
    +5
    Yeah The oligarchs have a war - a war, and lunch - on a schedule ...
  5. Giant thought
    Giant thought 3 July 2014 09: 40
    +5
    The mattresses will not do anything to their detriment, and the screamers who prevent them from doing this are very quickly upset.
  6. tomket
    tomket 3 July 2014 09: 41
    +8
    We pose the question differently, why do we continue to sell US rocket engines, despite the whole spectrum of disagreements ???
  7. Balamyt
    Balamyt 3 July 2014 09: 42
    +1
    Stop guys! Where is the conscience? As against your own frame, you raise your shabby tails ??? Or "punishment cannot be pardoned." And the commas are put as needed, and depending on the conjuncture ???
  8. INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 3 July 2014 09: 42
    +2
    Let Obama with a box of bananas send Mars to colonize.
  9. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 3 July 2014 09: 43
    +6
    And the Americans in general have a very cunning position on all these "sanctions". In general, I have a great suspicion that if the Americans keep a watchful eye on the observance of the sanctions regime on the part of "European partners" the government will turn a blind eye. ExxonMobil announced that it had seen all these sanctions in its grave and would work with Russian companies as usual. And that not a single angry shout from Congress or the Senate, which in general is not surprising if you look at the list of this very ExxonMobil Shareholders.
  10. Andrew K
    Andrew K 3 July 2014 09: 45
    +4
    Honestly, I don’t understand why they "spit in our faces", but we continue, as if nothing had happened, to supply them with engines?
  11. Stypor23
    Stypor23 3 July 2014 09: 46
    +1
    The rocket that came from the cold, it seems, is called a movie. Look who wants it.
  12. vorobey
    vorobey 3 July 2014 09: 47
    +4
    Che here to say it’s all said already ...

    1. 70BSN
      70BSN 3 July 2014 11: 28
      0
      [quote = vorobey] Che here to say that everything is said already ...

      Sparrow KRASAVA))))) good
  13. Per se.
    Per se. 3 July 2014 09: 48
    +3
    Contributing to the implementation of national security requirements, we will continue to import RD-180 engines and conduct business in the usual manner. ”
    According to him, work in this direction meets the national interests of America.
    Does this meet the national interests of Russia? The United States is threatening us with sanctions, while we and the junta "should" supply gas at preferential prices and comply with all agreements with America. Why don't we have our own package of sanctions against the United States and its sixes? Take even the power of the Ukrops, do they have no interests in Russia, the same Poroshenko and Kolomoisky? We sell everything, raw materials, military equipment, the same titanium and the same rocket engines ... Maybe the United States is so impudent that for our powers that be, the main thing is money, and money is the United States.
  14. Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 3 July 2014 09: 50
    +2
    Quote: tomket
    We pose the question differently, why do we continue to sell US rocket engines, despite the whole spectrum of disagreements ???


    ..... because there is no V.I. STALIN and articles in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "for assistance to the enemy of the Russian Federation."
    ..... why did the General Staff of the Russian Federation allow, did these engines give the go-ahead to sell ?, what is the epidemic of stupidity?
    ..... and who said that they had not already copied and were short of (although they were unlikely to have brought it, purchased it) to serial production?
    ..... who said that it is these engines that bring out satellites, maybe evil spirits are already building a carrier "captain america" ​​so that they can come to us ?, it is very difficult to laugh when the MENTALLY NOT NORMAL have a steering wheel from a car in their hands, how many opened biological dens ..?

    Greed! ..., hey pig, we’ll cut you tomorrow!, Pig (hawa) in response - oink.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 18: 51
      0
      Quote: Khalmamed
      for assistance to the enemy of the Russian Federation ".

      And who is the enemy? Sanctions are from Europe, from America, if you remember only the words, but the fact that 95% of our relations with America is space, they do not shout. That means America announced to us about five percent of sanctions. Or maybe the enemy is five percent hate? I want to quote one of our veterans: “The neighbors cooked on the street, there were no stoves in the house, and when they were arguing and there were not enough words, they lifted up their skirts and showed each other their asses, which would lower the skirt earlier, and that lost. come home from work, but nothing is prepared at home. Neighbors stand in front of the stove and show each other's asses. " This is the enemy by 5%, because tomorrow they will gossip again. But you are not acting like the men of these comrades, who will rip off their ass with belts and make them cook. You want to cut off their heads at once! And then who will cook for tomorrow?
  15. pahom54
    pahom54 3 July 2014 09: 51
    +4
    I don’t understand what is stopping Russia from stopping the supply of these NASA engines? I don’t think that there will be too much damage to our economy (on the scale of the entire GDP), but there is an opportunity for the states to subsist ... Calculate how much time and dough they will spend on developing their own engines? So, by the saying: what is bad for the Russian, then to Americans - death. Let it be a little bad for us, and they-kirdyk ...
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 18: 57
      0
      Quote: pahom54
      Let it be a little bad for us, and they-kirdyk.

      It is a pity that you do not work at a factory, your salary does not depend on the production of rocket engines! But what would the one who lost his job because of this say? You propose to undermine our economy "the damage is not big." Only water with what to compare: switching to summer time saved us electricity, which would have been enough for the whole of Belgium for a year, but for us it is 3% of the total volume.
  16. sazhka4
    sazhka4 3 July 2014 09: 51
    +5
    Rogozin's belligerent statements and such a deflection in front of his "partners" .. I don't understand anything. What nonsense.
    1. Barmal
      Barmal 3 July 2014 10: 17
      0
      Quote: sazhka4
      Rogozin's belligerent statements and such a deflection in front of his "partners" .. I don't understand anything. What nonsense.

      really, but where are the promised trampoline jumps for amers?
  17. StepanovTDSM
    StepanovTDSM 3 July 2014 09: 56
    +1
    The more Americans buy from us, the more they depend on us.
    1. tomket
      tomket 3 July 2014 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: StepanovTDSM
      The more Americans buy from us, the more they depend on us.

      And how does it affect the situation now? Do Americans back down on some issue ???
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 18: 59
        0
        Quote: tomket
        Americans backtrack on some issue

        But they do not come, and do not take by the throat. you have to live according to the principle: "At least with your tongue ... ice cream ... lick, but don't give your hands free will"
  18. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 3 July 2014 09: 56
    0
    Did anyone doubt it?
  19. combat66
    combat66 3 July 2014 09: 59
    +2
    Quote: Per se.
    Why do not we have our own package of sanctions against the United States and its sixes? Take even the dill power, do they have no interests in Russia, the same Poroshenko and Kolomoisky? We sell everything, raw materials, military equipment, the same titanium and the same rocket engines ... Maybe the United States is so impudent that the main thing for our powerful people is money, and the money is USA.

    Because between the war and the shame was chosen ..... Well, you understand.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 19: 13
      0
      Quote: combat66
      between war and shame

      How cool we are in our anger! Count to yourself, and not to others: The goalkeeper of our football team Lev Yashin, for two swords missed at the World Cup, was "lowered" among the people so that he could not stand it and left the sport. But he could still play glorifying our country. Note that it was not the government who "lowered him to the enemy of the country," but people like you and me. Here is Poddubny, for the fact that during the occupation he worked as a bouncer in a German restaurant, the government "lowered", but he carried the Order of the Red Banner of Labor into the open during the entire occupation. So he caved in before the Germans, or he was "bent" by the government, when he almost died of hunger in 46, he tore the people away from him. Sitting in the government, you have to think not with kitchen emotions, and with these emotions slipping on cockroaches. It is not necessary to unleash a conflict of mind, and in order to avoid even greater sacrifices, one must have responsibility for millions of human lives. After the Crimea, immediately and shame. Give me an example in history for someone to voluntarily join another country. Russia did not conquer Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia; they themselves were afraid of complete disappearance as a people and joined Russia. But here: "the filthy descendants of the glorious grandfathers" got out.
  20. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 3 July 2014 10: 06
    +2
    I am very interested in whether their use is being accounted for, or do they quietly supply ballistic missiles to them and target them? wassat
  21. Roman1970
    Roman1970 3 July 2014 10: 06
    +1
    Here it was already suggested by someone to give the Americans the opportunity to go into space with the help of trampolines ... laughing
  22. Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 3 July 2014 10: 08
    +1
    Quote: StepanovTDSM
    The more Americans buy from us, the more they depend on us.


    .... Doubtfully !, as such America since the departure of Kennedy’s brains - NO, there are institutions, firms, etc. - they are all scattered around the world, they are all in the hands of 365 families.
    .... all sanctions are handiwork 365, receive anti-sanctions signs America, Germany and the EU.
    .... America is a symptom of the disease, the toxin that produces the infection, it is the pathogen that needs to be treated.
    .... and all these sanctions against the sanctions are just "boxers whirling around the ring before hitting."
  23. zorcher
    zorcher 3 July 2014 10: 09
    +2
    Landmine them thermonuclear in every engine. A bonus.
    In rusvnesne today reports simply kill. Bastards
  24. Lelek
    Lelek 3 July 2014 10: 10
    +1
    In any situations and relations between countries, one must act on the basis of expediency and one's national interests. Trade with the USA is profitable for us, so we need to trade. As regards space programs, the greater cooperation will be in this area, the better for humanity, i.e. us including. The call to leave only slingshots and trampolines for US astronauts is wildness. We all live on this little ball and can’t get anywhere from each other, therefore: the positive is the way, and the negative, indecent, inhuman is stop and liquidation. hi
  25. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 3 July 2014 10: 12
    +4
    Disagreements on the Ukrainian issue do not prevent Washington from continuing purchases of Russian engines

    Why don't these disagreements "hinder" RUSSIA sell engines to Phillington?
    So, the CIA continues to work in the sweat of the brow for the good of the United States?
    So the agents because of the OCEAN in the Russian government are FULL-FULL?
    Otherwise, how can this be understood?
    And the money for the sale of the STRATEGIC EQUIPMENT, which subsequently can harm Russia, DOESN'T BURN OUT HANDS ???
  26. MSA
    MSA 3 July 2014 10: 12
    +1
    We also need to play on their interests in our favor, since they are buying engines from us, then they are doing this out of hopelessness. Close their way into space and let them develop their own engine, and in the meantime we will colonize space ...
  27. crambol
    crambol 3 July 2014 10: 12
    +3
    “By contributing to meeting national security requirements, we will continue to import RD-180 engines and conduct business in the usual manner.” According to him, work in this direction meets the national interests of America.

    - And who will think about our security and our national interests? Or did the greenery of the eyes blur?
  28. bmv04636
    bmv04636 3 July 2014 10: 13
    +1
    and in the near future we will need large quantities of titanium and new rocket engines ourselves when realizing the lunar base to cover Russia, for example, from the same DPRK. Imagine taking an asteroid, accelerating engines are installed on it, acceleration and direction are set, and voila a meteorite flies to intercept an enemy rocket - a joke, but there is some truth in every joke
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 July 2014 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: bmv04636
      and in the near future we will need large quantities of titanium and new rocket engines ourselves when realizing the lunar base to cover Russia, for example, from the same DPRK. Imagine taking an asteroid, accelerating engines are installed on it, acceleration and direction are set, and voila a meteorite flies to intercept an enemy rocket - a joke, but there is some truth in every joke

      Wow, where you buy grass, address pliz good
  29. Aslan
    Aslan 3 July 2014 10: 14
    0
    If the devils do not calm down and continue to tighten the sanctions nuts, the Americans can say goodbye to our engines.
  30. Iline
    Iline 3 July 2014 10: 15
    +3
    Disagreements on the Ukrainian issue do not prevent Washington from continuing purchases of Russian engines

    It is necessary to suspend sales of these engines so that the differences disappear.
  31. kelevra
    kelevra 3 July 2014 10: 24
    +1
    Some kind of stupidity, not politics! The USA sends us a fucker, and we trade with them! Ukraine declared enemies, and Putin addresses Parashenko by his middle name! You need to be less hypocritical, say everything as it is, and do not care about ethics, politics, this is a big lie, there all methods for achieving power are suitable, so why not communicate freely in this area!
  32. erased
    erased 3 July 2014 10: 26
    +1
    Someone here is sitting tight on the dough from the deal and simply does not allow to terminate the contract. Here is such a trash.
  33. djtyysq
    djtyysq 3 July 2014 10: 28
    +2
    To paraphrase Ben Rhodes, we can say: "We really want to work with Russia where it suits us!" And comments are superfluous!
  34. PValery53
    PValery53 3 July 2014 10: 30
    +1
    Due to the openly hostile US policy towards Russia, the supply of RD-180 engines to America should be stopped without any plausible excuses. The traitors of Russia will object.
  35. Vend
    Vend 3 July 2014 10: 30
    0
    “We really want to work with Russia where we can.”

    If you rephrase it, it will turn out: where it is beneficial for us, we will continue cooperation, and where there will be no sanctions. US duplicity is no longer a mystery.
  36. andrey777
    andrey777 3 July 2014 10: 34
    -1
    “In the Ukrainian issue, as you know, we occupy different positions, but we leave the door for dialogue open”
    said rhodes. In his opinion, the root of the existing disagreements over Ukraine "lies not in our desire to punish Russia, but in the fact that we are confident that people (in each country) must make decisions and choose their own way."
    So Russia has accepted.
  37. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 3 July 2014 10: 40
    +2
    On this occasion, I already wrote on another forum, so I will be verbose. When the United States abandoned the gold standard and untied the dollar, many businessmen understood the precariousness of this situation and began to look for an indirect substitute for the gold standard. And they quickly found it in the form of oil, and since oil was recognized in some way as the equivalent of money, they began to speculate on it. At the moment, the speculative cap is about 40% of the market price of oil. These so-called petrodollars are distributed according to countries in different ways. Russia withdraws a significant part of petrodollars and puts them in a small capsule, into the National Welfare Funds. At the same time, both the United States and Russia understand that these are not entirely honestly earned funds. The United States would like Russia to deal with them, such as Saudi Arabia, which buys food, luxury goods and armaments completely unnecessary in the United States, thereby providing orders for the American economy. But Russia is pursuing a food security policy; it, as a state, does not need luxury goods, and we produce weapons ourselves. What else can be done with this money. Many demand to invest them in our economy. But for this it is necessary to sell these dollars and buy rubles on them. But in the world there is no such amount of rubles. The Central Bank can print them, but it turns out that the state buys from itself, while increasing the ruble mass drops the ruble against the dollar and spins hyperinflation. What else can be done? Buy gold in international markets. Russia has been doing this closely and in recent years has been the largest buyer of gold, for this very reason, the dollar weight in our little capsule is constantly decreasing. The best thing you can do with petrodollars is to buy the most advanced equipment and technology in the United States. But the United States does not want Russia to be able to utilize petrodollars, which have speculative origin, in the most profitable way for themselves. Therefore, there is an unofficial ban on the sale of Russia, gas liquefaction equipment, equipment for the production of microchips, and so on. This is the idea of ​​containing Russia.
    But the RD-180 engines are the most high-tech products and they are sold as gas, oil and metals, also for dollars and these dollars are actually equal to petrodollars. That is, in the contracts for the sale of our engines, the clause must necessarily be included that we have the right to buy any American high-tech products for dollars from the sale of our high-tech products without deletion in any lists. Otherwise, we simply do not need this money. Otherwise, what's the point of selling?
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 3 July 2014 11: 21
      +1
      In Soviet times, they found ways to buy high-tech machines, special equipment, machinery and heavy duty computers, despite the prohibitions, they bought through dummies, like used equipment through Finland, etc.
      There is one more question, Rogozin announced that we sell engines on the condition that the United States will not launch military satellites, etc., with their help, but the United States does it openly! What is Ragozin’s response to what is happening?
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 3 July 2014 19: 45
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        I have not heard such a passage from Rogozin, contracts are difficult to change, because the Americans are spinning so as not to create force majeure circumstances for the cancellation of contracts.
  38. vvvvv
    vvvvv 3 July 2014 10: 42
    +2
    It is not the US that continues to buy, but Russia continues to sell.
    After all the rhetoric, this is the pro. Tut. Position ...
    Russia is inferior in everything and everything, although sanctions, etc., are not canceled.
    There is not the slightest firmness in anything. They waved bucks and our oligarchs, "patriots" rushed to be friends and please. What are the Russians and the interests of Russia ?! Only loot interests. Any reasoning about the protection of the Russians in Ukraine now looks very shameful. Ugh, abomination!
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 3 July 2014 15: 22
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      I do not quite agree with you!
      The fact is that space, at the suggestion of Gorbaty, and then EBN, was frozen for more than 10 years (the fall of rockets is an echo of that time, there are almost no specialists left, and those who are mostly retired grandfathers), now with funding the same no ice and the sale of these engines to enemies may be some way out of the situation, and Russia, at the moment, simply does not need such engines, so we are launching "environmentally friendly" Protons.
      1. atalef
        atalef 3 July 2014 16: 10
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        Quote: Sergei75
        Now financing is not ice, and selling these engines to enemies may be some way out

        An interesting approach. What are some 2 ridiculous statements, excuse me
        1. Financing - yes the financing is just endless, if you read how many gene prosecutors revealed only thefts, it was possible to complete 2 lunar programs
        2. Sale to the enemy - a way out.
        Maybe it’s better to shoot yourself right away?
      2. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 5 July 2014 19: 20
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        Quote: Sergei75
        the fall of rockets is an echo of that

        The fall of rockets is an echo of the transfer of government orders to private companies.
        Quote: Sergei75
        "green" Protons.

        Angara
    2. vvvvv
      vvvvv 3 July 2014 21: 26
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      It is necessary to get acquainted with such an opinion (V. Solovyova)
  39. PValery53
    PValery53 3 July 2014 10: 48
    +1
    Due to the openly hostile US policy towards Russia, the supply of RD-180 engines to America should be stopped without any plausible excuses. The traitors of Russia will object.
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 3 July 2014 15: 24
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      Well, maybe you don’t have to act on the principle ... there are only two opinions - mine and not right! You can break such firewood, and I expressed a vision of this problem a line above.
  40. renics
    renics 3 July 2014 10: 51
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    “In the Ukrainian question, as you know, we occupy different positions, but we leave the door for dialogue open.” But you cannot enter through this door, and if you enter, you will fall into the world of illusions.
  41. 1536
    1536 3 July 2014 11: 09
    +2
    "US Vice President Biden" strongly supported "the massacre in Ukraine and promised Poroshenko to increase sanctions against Moscow. On the same day, Australia joined the anti-Russian campaign." - quote from the media.
    And we still sell engines to these very Biden, so that they launch rockets and destroy the Russians. It’s like selling Katyushas to the Germans when their armies were near Moscow in 1941.
  42. roman72-452
    roman72-452 3 July 2014 11: 15
    +3
    Around this winter, there was a massive enlightenment of the population of Russia, everyone suddenly saw, looking at the Ukrainian events, that everything is fine with us and our country is only good, and there were polite people in Crimea, and we have both hands for Donbass, BUT nothing has changed in the leadership, the attitude has changed population to the government no more. Even last autumn, the non-combatability of our army plundered by Serdyukov and the company was discussed. Modern Russia "in business", in the global monetary turnover, we did not have a revolution and a change of system, just the so-called business elite decided to become independent, the people for the most part supported it. Stalin, having created the most powerful Soviet Union, opposed the world government and at the first opportunity was killed and slandered by the fool and traitor Khrushchev and his followers. Illusions are harmful, without seeing at least not all, but most of the picture of what is happening, it is difficult to draw correct conclusions , you can only change yourself, but not the whole society, and even less the government.
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 3 July 2014 15: 26
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      There is a simple explanation for this - NLP, the media control the masses, and we can clearly see this on the one hand and on the other hand.
  43. 70BSN
    70BSN 3 July 2014 11: 38
    +1
    THIS ONCE AGAIN PROVES THAT OUR SERVICES OF THE PEOPLE TO US ........................................ .....

    After all, according to their rules, they could play dash for dash ..... And WE saw the BABLO AND ABOUT ALL FORGOTTEN ......
    that someone is dying, that they are sucking us FU FU FU NO WE HAVE UNITY OF THE BATTERY TAKE WHILE STILL TOP ABOVE EVERYONE in RUSSIA.

    WRITING ONE MORE THAN MORE PURCHASES ARE STEELING BECAUSE THERE THEY ALL MAKE THEIR MOTIONS ONE AND WHILE FLYING ON OURS, AND ALL RUSSIA WILL BE AFFECTED BY ALL THOSE. ALL HOLDERS THAT RUSSIA IS BAD,
  44. mamont5
    mamont5 3 July 2014 12: 57
    +1
    "The Americans not only continue to buy Russian engines, but are also going to increase their number."

    In stock gain. Before the sanctions, so long enough.
  45. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 3 July 2014 13: 13
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    Quote: dr.Bo

    Nepoymu! Why can't engines be bargained for our interests ?!

    That's it! What's silent, gentlemen of politics?
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 3 July 2014 15: 29
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      Bargaining using engines does not work, they have already created a reserve and can easily pull the rubber for a while, and we need the result of the bargaining now.
  46. StepanovTDSM
    StepanovTDSM 3 July 2014 15: 08
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    And how does this affect the situation now? Do Americans back down on some issue ??? These are jobs and money.
  47. provincial
    provincial 3 July 2014 15: 15
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    And again we are in the ass.
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 3 July 2014 15: 30
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      But as always...