Calibres we choose

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Caliber is the diameter of the barrel of an artillery gun, as well as a pistol, machine gun, and hunting rifle. Anyone who, in one way or another, is connected with military affairs, is familiar with this term, knows what it is, and knows, of course, that aviation cannons and machine guns are of one caliber, but on ships they are different. Well, what calibers exist in military affairs in general and how many are there in total? The answer to this question will not be as simple as it seems, first of all, because there are a lot of calibers. Well, just a lot, and not always they were due to some special considerations - that's how! And since all this "riot of calibers" is directly related to the development of military technology, we decided to tell you about it. In this case, start with the cannons, because the calibers of the small weapons This is a separate topic.

So, the calibers of the guns ... But what could be the minimum caliber to say for sure: this is a gun, and this is a machine gun? Experts have been arguing about this for a long time and decided this: all that is less than 15-mm is a machine gun, but all that is more is a gun! Since the most common caliber of aircraft cannons during the Second World War was 20-mm, therefore, the smallest-caliber gun will have a bore diameter equal to 20 mm, although there are exceptions. The most famous is the Japanese anti-tank gun, created in the early 30s of the 20th century. just such a caliber. It was the heaviest anti-tank gun in the world, but since it was still a “gun”, two people could carry it. Large caliber - this is a great armor penetration, however, in general, it did not justify itself, since the speed of its armor-piercing bullet was not very high, and this is a very important indicator for this type of weapon!




M61 Vulcan


But the 20-mm automatic aircraft cannon are very much known, and the most famous of them is the Vulcan automatic cannon, developed in the USA for arming airplanes and helicopters, as well as anti-aircraft artillery systems on armored personnel carriers and ships. In the second film about the Terminator, you can see how such systems operate, although in reality a person cannot withstand the impact of such weapons.
And not only guns, but even a machine gun! “You have 20,” our military decided, having become acquainted with German aircraft guns during the Great Patriotic War, “but we will have 23-mm!” And such a gun with a heavier, and therefore more destructive projectile, VY brand was created and stood on many of our aircraft, including attack aircraft IL-2. In other countries, aircraft and anti-aircraft guns with 25 and 27 mm caliber were developed, until finally, the 30-mm caliber supplanted all others. However, it is known that more large-caliber guns were installed on the aircraft: 35, 37, 40, 45, 50, 55 and even 75-mm, which turned them into a real “flying artillery”. However, for the aircraft they were all too heavy, which is why today the military stopped at the caliber 30-mm ...

But on land and at sea 23, 25, 35 and 37 mm anti-aircraft guns, as well as the 40 mm, were very popular and remain so now, only 25 mm today is mainly found on the American BMP " Bradley. " We see anti-aircraft guns in 35 mm on the German Cheetah and the Japanese ZSU Type 87. The 45 mm caliber was very popular in the Red Army, where anti-tank guns - the “forty-hedgehogs” were its main means of fighting the German tanks almost the entire Great Patriotic War. But in other armies of the world they did not know such a caliber, except that in Italy there was such a mortar. But there from 37,40 and 47 mm anti-tank guns were distributed from Sweden to Japan, as well as the 57-mm caliber, which appeared in our country during the war. 50, 51 and 55 mm calibers are known, but they have not received much distribution. 50 and 51 mm gauges belong to modern light mortars in foreign armies. The 60 mm is also a "mortar" caliber, but now the 64 mm is a very serious artillery system - the caliber of Russia's first Baranovsky rapid-fire guns that had a pullback brake and a reel! 65 mm is the caliber of light Spanish howitzers, and 68 mm is the Austrian mountain guns of the late 73th and early XNUMXth centuries. XNUMX-mm guns "Thunder" were on the first Soviet BMP and BMD, but this caliber somehow did not really take root in us. But about the Russian "three-inch" Putilov plant many know.


Rapid Fire Baranovsky


However, the caliber equal to 75-mm, not much different from it, is better known all over the world. This was the name of the first French firing tool of Pütö and Duport of the 1897 model, and our 76,2-mm cannon is his direct heir. But why "three inches" is understandable. In Russia, as in many other countries in the nineteenth century. the calibers of the weapon were then measured in inches, and not in millimeters. One inch is 25,4 mm, so three inches will be equal to 76,2 mm!

The German cannon — the enemy of our three inches on the battlefields of the First World War — had a caliber of 77-mm, and on the whole, the caliber of 75 and 76,2 are the most common caliber in the world. Such guns were made as mountain, trench, tank, field and anti-aircraft guns, although there are some exceptions. For example, the 70-mm caliber had an English mountain cannon, and the Japanese X-type gun, the 92 type, which was actively used during the Second World War, had the same caliber. Interestingly, it is still in service in China and Vietnam, primarily because it is ideal for small soldiers! By the way, all for the same reason, the weight of the shells of this gun was in the Japanese 3,8 kg, but the British - 4,5! Interestingly, the same British had one more dimension for their guns, but not in inches, but according to tradition, in pounds by projectile weight. However, it turned out that this is not very convenient and sometimes leads to confusion. So, the British three-inch gun BL МК2, used in the English army during the Boer War, was called 15-pound, but the gun of exactly the same caliber of the First World War - 13-pound, and only because it had a lighter projectile! By the way, in Germany, the calibers of guns were traditionally measured not in millimeters and not in inches, but in centimeters and, accordingly, they were also designated in them.

81 and 82-mm are traditionally mortar calibers. Moreover, 81-mm was adopted abroad, but we have 82-mm. It is believed that this was done so that their mines could be fired from our mortars, but ours from their mortars is impossible! Of course, in combat conditions this is advantageous, although the accuracy of firing when using “not mine” mines has somewhat decreased.

Then come the very common and in the field troops, and in the tank, such medium calibers as 85,87,6, 88,90 and 94-mm. The 85-mm is the Soviet anti-aircraft gun and gun T-34 / 85, 87,6-mm is the English 25-liter howitzer-gun Mk2, shooting from the base plate, which allowed it to turn 360 degrees, and 88-mm caliber had famous German anti-aircraft gun "eight-eight". It was also the caliber of the guns of the Tiger tanks and the Ferdinand self-propelled guns. The 3,7-inch or 94-mm gun is the British anti-aircraft cannon in the 1937-1950, with a reach of 10 kilometers. But the 90-millimeter gun stood on the American Pershing tank, which appeared at the very end of the Second World War.

Caliber 100, 102, 105, 107 mm - were very popular both in the army and in navy. The 106-mm recoilless gun is also known, but the 105 and 107-mm guns were also recoilless. As for rifled guns, they were placed on ships (as the main caliber on light cruisers and destroyers and auxiliary on large ones) and on tanks. Moreover, 105-mm tank guns were the response of foreign tank builders to the accepted in our country the caliber of tank guns equal to 100 mm. When the 105-mm caliber “went” there, we put 115-caliber guns on our tanks, and then a 125-mm caliber! But the caliber of the 114-mm guns was English field howitzers, and they were also put on the so-called "artillery boats"! Interestingly, such a howitzer was for some reason in the storeroom of the historical museum in Kazan. Or is it not worth it now?

120-mm - this is a typical mortar caliber, but the same guns were on ships (in particular in the USSR, they were used on monitors and gunboats), and on heavy foreign tanks. But 122-mm howitzers existed only in Russia. 127-mm caliber - had universal guns on US warships and heavy British guns, used both by the British army and in the artillery of the Red Army. 130-mm - the caliber of Soviet naval, coastal and tank guns. 135,140,150,152-mm is the caliber of the guns of cruisers. Moreover, the 152-mm - “six-inch” - has long been considered the most popular and was also installed on the battleships, while the 140-mm is the caliber of promising tank guns currently being developed to replace the obsolete 120-mm guns.


mortar MT-13


At the same time, 152 and 155-mm are the calibers of heavy howitzers and cannons in ground forces, including self-propelled ones. 160-mm - the caliber of our Soviet (as well as Israeli and Chinese) mortar MT-13, as well as some naval guns on cruisers and armadillos. But on our ships such tools did not stand. 175-mm - on the contrary, it was never used on the sea, but the Americans used it in their heavy self-propelled artillery system M107. The 180,190 and 195-mm are, again, the calibers of the naval guns on cruisers, while the 203-mm is the famous “Washington caliber” of heavy cruisers. However, he had (and still has) some ground heavy guns of the ground forces intended to suppress and destroy the enemy at a great distance or destroy particularly strong fortifications. For example, this is our "Peony". 210-mm is also the caliber of land guns of great power, which were in service with the Red Army and the Wehrmacht at the beginning of World War II.


"Pion". 210-mm


The diameter of the barrel bore equal to 229, 234, 240, 254-mm had sea and coastal guns. In particular, our mortar "Tulip" just has a caliber 240-mm. But the caliber 270 and 280-mm also belonged to land mortars and long-range guns of battleships and battleships. "Twelve inches" - 305-mm - the most common main caliber on the battleships and battleships, but also in coastal and railway artillery, and, in addition, it was also the caliber of heavy howitzers of the reserve of the High Command and individual artillery divisions of special power.

However, shortly after their appearance on ships, the twelve-inch caliber ceased to satisfy naval gunners, and from 1875 onwards they began to install more and more powerful guns on ships. At first, 320, 330, 340, 343, 356, 381-mm - so gradually they became more and more, while the projectiles towards them became heavier and more deadly. At the same time, the 330-mm caliber had an American land siege mortar, first installed on a railway platform in 1865, but many rail-guns had an 356-mm caliber. The projectile of such a gun could weigh 747 kg, and fly out of the barrel at a speed of 731 m / s!

Calibres we choose
The lifting mechanism captured by the Germans of the French heavy 240-mm gun concern "Saint-Chamon" sample 84 / 17 of the year


The 400-mm caliber was also used by the railway gun, a French heavy cannon from the Saint-Chamon company, model 1916. The range of its shot was 16 km. The weight of the projectile was 900 kg. 406, 412 and 420-mm are caliber sea monster shells with barrels weighing more than 100 tons! An experienced 406-mm cannon is still standing on the range near St. Petersburg and our post-war self-propelled gun "Condenser" had the same caliber. 412-mm guns stood on the English battleship "Benbow". 420-mm - guns of the French battleship "Cayman" (1875 g.), And the German heavy field mortar "Big Bertha", which fired shells weighing 810 kg. It is also the caliber of the Soviet post-war self-propelled mortar "Oka". The 450-mm guns were the main caliber of the Italian battleships "Duilio" and "Dandolo". Finally, the 457-mm guns of the Japanese battleship Yamato (and Musashi of the same type with it), which had nine pieces on it, were the largest in terms of weight: a kind of record and now not beaten by any other country in the world. But these are not the largest weapons. An even larger caliber equal to 508-mm had guns of American monitors of the period of the American Civil War. And they sent to the target kernels weighing 500 kg. They were lifted by a special crane installed inside the tower, with the ears cast on their case, and they were rolled inside a special tray inserted into the barrel. The impact force of such nuclei was truly monstrous, they just made them from cast iron, therefore, hitting a sufficiently strong armor, they often simply broke, because of which they were abandoned in favor of projectiles with a pointed head.


SAU "Condenser"


On land, larger caliber guns also existed abound. For example, back in 1489, in Flanders, a 495-mm Mons Meg cannon was manufactured, with an unscrewing charging chamber, but the mortar of the Rhodes Knights, also preserved to this day, was even more - 584-mm! No less powerful guns had in the XV century. and the opponents of the Christians of that time were Turks who fought with Constantinople, as well as with the knights of Malta. Thus, during his siege in 1453, a Hungarian caster Urban cast them a copper bombard of the caliber 610-mm, shooting stone cores weighing 328 kg. In 1480, during the siege of the island of Rhodes, the Turks used bombers in caliber already 890-mm. In response, the Knights of Rhodes managed to cast exactly the same caliber of the Pumhard mortar, which threw its stone cores up sharply, which was more convenient for Europeans, while the Turks had to shoot from the bottom up. This also includes our legendary Tsar Cannon, which had an initial bore diameter of 900-mm, and the final one, next to a very narrow charging chamber, was 825-mm!


Mons Meg



"Tsar Cannon"


But the largest cannon (and not the bombard!) Was cast on the orders of Indian Rajah Gopola in 1670. By caliber, it is, however, inferior to the “Tsar Cannon”, but surpasses it in weight and length of the bore! The German self-propelled gun "Karl" originally had a caliber of 600-mm, but after the first trunks became unusable, they were replaced with new 540-millimeter. The famous "super gun" "Dora" had a caliber of 800-mm and was a giant railway transporter with its own bakery and bath, not to mention the means of air defense. But still it was not the largest ground weapon, but the American installation "Little David" in 914-mm caliber. Initially, it was used for the experimental throwing of aerial bombs, during their tests it replaced the bomber. At the end of the war, they tried to use it to destroy Japanese ground fortifications, but the war managed to end earlier than this idea actually worked.


"Little David" 914-mm caliber


However, this gun is not the biggest in diameter of the bore! The most large-caliber is considered the mortar of the Englishman Robert Mallet of the 920-mm caliber, created back in the 1857 year. And, by the way, either! Indeed, in the Jules Verne novel “Five Hundred Million Begumy” a much more monstrous cannon is described, with one shot of which the wicked professor Schulze intended to destroy the whole city of Franceville. And although this is not the best of Jules Vernovsky novels, the gun in the Bull Tower is described in it in sufficient detail and competently. And, nevertheless, this is after all a fiction, but the “Little David” can be personally seen on the open site of the Aberdeen training ground in the USA.

Interestingly, during the Second World War, so-called bikaliber guns appeared, that is, guns with a tapered bore. At the entrance to it, the caliber was one, but at the exit the other was smaller! They used the "principle of Gerlich": when a conical barrel compresses the bullet to a slightly smaller diameter. In this case, the pressure of gases on its bottom increases, and the initial velocity and energy increase. A typical representative of such weapons systems was the German 28 / 20-mm (28-mm at the entrance to the cone, and the 20-mm at the muzzle cut) anti-tank gun. With the weight of the gun itself 229 kg, its armor-piercing projectile had a speed 1400 m / s, which was an order of magnitude higher than at that time gave other similar guns. But such an achievement went to the Germans at a high price. Conical trunks were difficult to produce, and they wore out much faster. Shells for them are also much more complicated, but they hold smaller explosives than conventional caliber ones. That is why in the end they had to abandon them, although some of them even participated in the battles.


2,8 cm schwere Panzerbüchse 41


Most likely, this is not a complete list, however, for the withdrawal is sufficient. And what is the conclusion? Only the fact that almost any "hole in the pipe" can be made shooting, there would be only a desire! After all, the same Japanese, for example, made guns out of tree trunks at all, even in the 1905 year, and from them they fired, although, of course, not with cores, but with incendiary projectiles from segments of bamboo trunks.
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  1. +8
    3 July 2014 09: 38
    An informative article for the unknowing. A kind of broadening horizons.
    And the photos should be selected under the captions below. And then with "Little David" a blunder came out. Not him at all!
    Ultra-long-range guns with additional chambers could be added here. Quite interesting samples. And to add in the article that the choice of the caliber of the gun in each individual country is played well, just very significant factors. And the creation of each sample is only in the balance of all qualities. And sometimes some qualities are at the expense of others. Therefore, such mastodons as "Dora" are obtained.
    1. +14
      3 July 2014 12: 02
      About 76.2 mm, one interesting fact could be noted - the caliber of canned meat and other canned goods was also 76.2mm. The concept of dual-use production is to rivet a stew in peacetime, and shells in wartime.
      1. +1
        7 July 2014 10: 46
        Quote: bazilio
        About 76.2 mm, one interesting fact could be noted - the caliber of canned meat and other canned goods was also 76.2mm. The concept of dual-use production is to rivet a stew in peacetime, and shells in wartime.

        And Soviet pasta, caliber 7,62 mm ...
        And something was also connected with cigarettes ...
    2. 0
      3 July 2014 12: 02
      About 76.2 mm, one interesting fact could be noted - the caliber of canned meat and other canned goods was also 76.2mm. The concept of dual-use production is to rivet a stew in peacetime, and shells in wartime.
      1. +10
        3 July 2014 17: 41
        How to replace the production of shells and cans with stewed meat is a different production. Shells are turning work, tin cans were soldered, sleeves pulled from brass sheets. On this topic they already argued, they came to the conclusion that it was rather not production, but logistics of containers and the packaging was easier to fit. They say that cigarettes are similar in diameter to 7.62 mm cartridges, can anyone enlighten ??
        1. +3
          3 July 2014 22: 01
          because 7.62 is three inches.
          initially there is a binding to an integer in the imperial system of units.
          76.2 = 30 inches respectively. and no shells from tin.
          1. anomalocaris
            +5
            4 July 2014 15: 29
            Baby, you made a mistake. Three inches is 76,2 mm.
          2. +2
            16 July 2014 22: 37
            Quote: Bigfoot_Sev
            because 7.62 is three inches.

            Not three, but three tenths of an inch. Then, accordingly, in your formula you get 300 inches. Although I do not understand what exactly this should illustrate.
          3. +1
            15 December 2017 10: 03
            7,62 is not three inches, but three lines, hence the name of the rifle - a three-line.
        2. Itson
          +4
          3 July 2014 23: 25
          Not cigarettes, but cigarettes. In particular, the "Belomorkanal" of the former Uritsky factory in Leni ngrad, which no longer exists.
          1. anomalocaris
            +1
            5 July 2014 03: 08
            And what do the cartridge and the cigarette have in common?
            But the production of cartridge cases was disguised as the production of enameled dishes. Well, let's put the mugs at our "Enamel", too, but the main product is the sleeve - the production technology is exactly the same, the only difference is in the matrices.
        3. +1
          6 July 2014 22: 00
          Quote: tuesday
          cigarettes in diameter similar to 7.62 mm cartridges

          There was already a banter on this occasion: Soviet pasta was 7,62, round trays of type 406, take pipes - everything is close to army calibers (I will not list) - everything is easier - the tradition of measuring "round" in inches.
        4. 0
          6 July 2014 22: 00
          Quote: tuesday
          cigarettes in diameter similar to 7.62 mm cartridges

          There was already a banter on this occasion: Soviet pasta was 7,62, round trays of type 406, take pipes - everything is close to army calibers (I will not list) - everything is easier - the tradition of measuring "round" in inches.
      2. Alf
        +2
        5 July 2014 17: 01
        Quote: bazilio
        The concept of dual-use production is to rivet a stew in peacetime, and shells in wartime.

        During the war, canned food factories instantly switched to the production of pomegranates, the equipment allowed initially.
        1. +3
          6 July 2014 16: 05
          I agree about the grenades, the manufacture looks like a can of canned food, but it’s not clear on the shells.
        2. anomalocaris
          0
          8 July 2014 16: 22
          They simply made convenient, tin cans. By the way, it was not canning factories that switched to the production of pomegranates, but canning enterprises. And these are two very big differences.
      3. +2
        5 July 2014 17: 37
        And the "caliber" of cigarettes "Belomor" 7.62
  2. +12
    3 July 2014 09: 41
    Well, I don’t know all the same the article is so-so. The initial school level. And so it would be necessary for more illustrations.
    1. +4
      3 July 2014 09: 48
      Finally, the largest by weight were the 457-mm guns of the Japanese battleship Yamato

      in the center is the usual 305 mm of the times of the Russian-Japanese
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  3. mango68
    +1
    3 July 2014 09: 49
    Verbal diarrhea with constipation of the brain. Even a superficial glance does not pull. Peony is still considered 203,2 mm,-well, etc., etc.
  4. +17
    3 July 2014 09: 56
    Caliber is the diameter of the barrel of an artillery gun, as well as a pistol, machine gun and hunting rifle

    Somehow, vague doubts about hunting weapons swallow me. Voschpe something caliber hunting weapons exposes the number of shotguns of a diameter that can be cast from a pound of lead (if not confused, not a hunter). So the author at the very beginning sat down in a puddle, which is not good feel .
    1. +2
      3 July 2014 10: 26
      Exactly. For a sleek trunk. For rifled in mm.
    2. +1
      3 July 2014 10: 44
      Quote: inkass_98
      Somehow, vague doubts about hunting weapons swallow me. Voshchpe something caliber hunting weapons exposes the number of buckshots of a diameter that can be cast from a pound of lead (if not confused, not a hunter).

      Well, actually a hunting weapon is not only smoothbore guns, but also carbines, caliber, which is precisely determined in mm (well, or in the American manner in parts of an inch). And the caliber of smoothbore weapons is indeed considered to be the number of bullets cast from the English pound of lead. Although there is a very common smooth-bore caliber in parts of an inch - 410th
      1. +8
        3 July 2014 11: 53
        Quote: inkass_98
        Voshchpe something caliber hunting weapons exposes the number of buckshots of this diameter,

        Ento yes. Also, the author did not mention one significant point when measuring the caliber — the diameter of the barrel in different countries can be measured either by the bottom of the rifle or by the fields of the rifle.
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    3. 0
      3 July 2014 14: 34
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%E0%EB%E8%E1%F0
    4. Svyatoslavovich
      -5
      3 July 2014 18: 07
      [quote = inkass_98] [quote] Something you confused flies with cutlets. A caliber is really the diameter of the barrel, and the number of round bullets cast from a pound of lead for this caliber is just an archaic analog measurement system. You can measure the caliber even in cows, how many they can be pushed through the trunk in an hour of time, the term will also determine the size of the hole.
      1. +1
        3 July 2014 20: 11
        Quote: Svyatoslavovich
        Something you confused flies with cutlets. A caliber is really the diameter of the barrel, and the number of round bullets cast from a pound of lead for this caliber is just an archaic analog measurement system. You can measure the caliber even in cows, how many they can be pushed through the trunk in an hour of time, the term will also determine the size of the hole.

        Well, why are you doing this, the diameter of the barrel for, for example, 12 gauge in the range of 18,3 to 18,9 mm. And there’s nothing archaic in it, it’s just a recognized system.
  5. 0
    3 July 2014 10: 06
    experiments are being conducted in Russia to create an explosive generator when the explosion energy is converted into an electromagnetic pulse I think this topic is promising for creating mobile electromagnetic guns do not need a large current source and I think the mortar "Oka" combined with a sau A capacitor based on two link chassis will return to our army
  6. +10
    3 July 2014 11: 05
    I understand that the author is an amateur, but damn if you like, then prepare the material more carefully ...
    - but we will have 23 mm! ” And such a cannon with a heavier, and therefore more destructive, VY-brand projectile was created and stood on many of our aircraft, including IL-2 attack aircraft

    Only on IL-2 and IL-10.
    One inch is 2,54 mm, which means three inches will be exactly 7,62 mm!

    Well, with mathematics, it may be fine, but only 1 inch is equal to 2,54 centimeters, respectively, 3xx inches is 76,2mm. Somehow the author did not think that the gun with the caliber "7,62 mm!" this is nonsense ...
    as well as the 57 mm caliber, which appeared in our country during the war

    Forgive me for clinging, but it sounds to me like fingernails on glass ... I understand that it is 57 mm. they began to produce an anti-tank gun during World War II in 1940, but the author clearly had in mind the Great Patriotic War that began later ...
    and the same caliber was used by the Japanese type 92 infantry gun, which was actively used during the Second World War. Interestingly, it is still in service in China and Vietnam, primarily because it is ideal for small soldiers!

    And our "bobby" was also small due to the "short stature" of the soldiers? What nonsense? ...
    Conical trunks were difficult to produce, and they wore out much faster. The shells for them are also much more complicated, but they hold less explosives, conventional - caliber.

    The guns with conical barrels were anti-tank and there was no explosive in their shells at all, they fired pancakes with metal bars ... The fact that the barrels had increased wear had absolutely no value because their life on the battlefield was short, they didn’t even produce their small resource because worked direct fire ...
    1. +3
      3 July 2014 12: 00
      Quote: Nayhas
      Forgive me for clinging, but it sounds to me like fingernails on glass ... I understand that it is 57 mm. anti-tank gun began to produce as if during the Second World War in 1940,

      Yes, yes, Grabin developed the ZiS-2 even before the start of the war, in the 41st it was removed from production due to excessive armor penetration. With the advent of the Tigers and other "thick-skinned animals" ZiS-2 was returned to production.
      1. +1
        3 July 2014 13: 51
        What nafig excessive penetration? 85 mm anti-aircraft guns were used and did not soar that such a device would turn a three-ruble coin into a pile of metal. 57 mm had technological problems with the barrel, in 43 they were solved, but still these guns were not enough until the very end of the war, hence the abundance of 45 mm. Although the 45 mm has its own plus, it is light enough to roll with your hands, and a high-explosive grenade of this caliber EMNIP pulled 1.4 kg, everything is better than useless PTR.
        1. Svyatoslavovich
          +2
          3 July 2014 19: 01
          The decommissioning of the ZIS-2 before the war was associated with excessive armor penetration, which, with the small high-explosive action of high-explosive fragmentation shells of this caliber and the high cost of producing barrels for this weapon, was really not needed, based on the armored equipment of German tanks for the 40th year.
          And about the 85th anti-aircraft guns did you revise the movie or so for a red word? The fact that she understands the three-ruble note is yes, but where can I get so many of them, 85? And they cost more than ZIS-2. And their profile is not for anti-tank defense, although of course they were used according to the circumstances, but that would not have been soared straight ....
          And third, where does the myth about the uselessness of the PTR come from? Take an interest in "Dmitry Ostapenko", he and his brother during the Second World War in one battle in two PTR-and 20 fours calmed down.

          I will give a free piece of advice - before using aggressive interjections like "nafig", learn math. part.
          1. +5
            3 July 2014 19: 49
            Quote: Svyatoslavovich
            And third, where does the myth about the uselessness of the PTR come from? Take an interest in "Dmitry Ostapenko", he and his brother during the Second World War in one battle in two PTR-and 20 fours calmed down.

            During the Second World War, and especially after the USSR, many myths were fanned, one of which was the effectiveness of PTR. It was necessary to somehow compensate for the loss of almost all of the anti-tank artillery abandoned during the retreat, the simplest way was the mass production of PTR and Molotov cocktails, from exotic ways of fighting suicide dog tanks ...
            Actually, the PTR could of course disable the tank ... for a while. Once in the observation device to kill / injure a crew member, hit the track to interrupt the truck, hit the gun’s barrel, hit the engine room, jam the engine ... Even after breaking through the front / side armor, a 14,4 mm bullet did not provide a striking armor effect ensuring the destruction of the tank. Of course there is a chance of injuring / killing a crew member ... A damaged PTR tank was restored by the repair service quite quickly and after that it went into battle again.
            The massive use of PTR undoubtedly had some effectiveness, but the main work was carried out by anti-tank artillery. I will never forget the words of one veteran, holder of the Order of Glory of all degrees with whom I had a chance to talk. He went through the war since the winter of 1942. and to the end, he was wounded many times, but fate saved him. He served the entire war in anti-tank artillery, changed many calculations and guns ... I asked him how many tanks he had knocked out, he replied that there were 4-5 tanks. I was surprised, they say, for the whole war only 4-5 tanks? For which he was awarded such a heavy look, I am still ashamed of my stupid question ... He said, and you get into it when he is rushing at you ...
            So, it’s not easy to knock out a tank from a gun, where are 14,5mm sticks ...
            1. +2
              4 July 2014 02: 22
              "Pukalki" and "molotov" were often, in general, the only anti-tank weapon among the infantry. Near Moscow in the 41st it came to the piece distribution of the anti-tank missile system among the units defending the capital. The anti-tank guns and anti-tank systems were produced until the end of the Second World War - there were enough targets for them on the battlefield. The forty-five, the main anti-tank gun of the initial period of the Great Patriotic War, had problems with the quality of armor-piercing shells, the ZIS-2 was removed from service ... What really remained of the PTS? Hit the tank at close range and remain undetected - who has more chances - the anti-tank gun or PTR? And the rate of fire? And what about the saturation of units with them, maintenance and supply, training of calculations and maneuverability on the battlefield?
              The grandfather's younger brother was an armored-infantry paratrooper. Until the 45th he ran with PTRS.
              About the action of 14.5 bullets. It is even very effective "behind the armor" - fragments of the armor and the bullet itself hit the crew. All this is in a confined space with multiple ricochets and other "miracles". Even the "panther" was stopped "on the engine". About the "chassis" of German tanks, in general, I am silent. The transmission in front, leading in front, the tension (replacement) of the tracks on the "panther" -ass, replacement of rollers - it is the same.
              About dogs. It's not exotic at all. In late autumn-winter 41-42, they were massively used in tank-hazardous areas, especially near Moscow. Effectively a controlled weapon. In terms of performance, the German “golif” is far behind. True, the Germans soon learned how to shoot dogs ...
    2. +7
      3 July 2014 16: 04
      At the very beginning of the publication, my eyes were "cut" by the phrase:
      “You have 20,” our military decided, having met with German aviation guns during the Great Patriotic War, “but we will have 23-mm!”

      The development of the Soviet 23-mm air guns began in the middle of the 30's, long before becoming acquainted with German models.
      1. anomalocaris
        0
        5 July 2014 08: 04
        ... After meeting with the 23mm Madsen universal (anti-aircraft and aviation) gun.
        This unit made an extremely favorable impression, and here we are busy. But as always under the slogan faster, higher, easier. The result was an extremely powerful ammunition 23x152, but a very heavy gun with a very strong recoil VYA-23.
  7. Owl
    +3
    3 July 2014 11: 54
    "For example, this is our Pion. 210-mm is also the caliber of high-power land guns, which were in service with the Red Army and the Wehrmacht at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War." - caliber SAU "Pion" - 203,2 mm.
  8. +4
    3 July 2014 13: 04
    The article is very extensive, with such encyclopedic comprehensive material it is difficult to avoid some minor errors. Nevertheless, I like the article and I find it very useful. The disadvantages of such encyclopedic work can be put only by one who himself wrote at least one article.
  9. padonok.71
    +1
    3 July 2014 13: 19
    The 45-mm caliber was very popular in the Red Army, where anti-tank guns - the “forty-five” were its main means of fighting German tanks for almost the entire Great Patriotic War.

    As a whiter, not quite accurate (to put it mildly) statement. The author needs to learn a little more.
    1. +4
      3 July 2014 13: 22
      Quote: padonok.71
      Like whit, not quite accurate (to put it mildly),

      and what other anti-tank gun was massively armed with the Red Army?
  10. +1
    3 July 2014 14: 40
    Massively were in service with the ZIS-3, ZIS-2. from 1942, magpies modernized, mainly lengthened the trunk, in this form, she fought until the end of the war. They say the gun was phenomenally accurate. By the way, in 2006 or in 2004, the Americans launched an experimental batch of sniper rifles. in the amount of 10 pieces. caliber 25 mm. what kind of monster I don’t know, but there is such information.
  11. +1
    3 July 2014 15: 17
    The article talks about existing and existing calibers, but here is how the on-caliber calculates zero information. In some countries, a gauge, this is the distance from one thread (if you look into the barrel, you can see the cut grooves) to another in mm, and this is the same caliber.
  12. 0
    3 July 2014 15: 24
    "The gunners, Stalin gave the order,
    The artillerymen, the Fatherland is calling us ... "

    That's where the power is! smile
  13. Aydar
    +2
    3 July 2014 15: 32
    From a six-barreled minigun you can shoot standing and with hands
    1. 0
      9 July 2014 22: 38
      Only this machine gun is far from a Vulcan. Because, if memory serves, this is 7.62, not 20 mm.
      What this guy is shooting from is very remotely reminiscent of the "Volcano" shown in the picture attached to the message.
  14. padonok.71
    +1
    3 July 2014 15: 33
    Quote: Kars
    and what other anti-tank gun was massively armed with the Red Army?

    The 76 mm divisional cannon of the 1942 model (ZIS-3, GAU Index - 52-P-354U) - the 76,2 mm Soviet divisional and anti-tank gun. The chief designer is V. G. Grabin, the parent enterprise is the artillery factory No. 92 in the city of Gorky. ZIS-3 became the most massive Soviet artillery gun, produced during the Great Patriotic War. Due to its outstanding combat, operational and technological qualities, this weapon is recognized by experts as one of the best weapons of the Second World War. In the post-war period, the ZIS-3 was for a long time in service with the Soviet Army, and was also actively exported to a number of countries, in some of which it is currently in service.
    From 1942 to 1945, about 48000 units were produced.
    Teach materiel.
    1. +3
      3 July 2014 23: 12
      Quote: padonok.71
      76-mm division gun of the 1942 model of the year (ZIS-3, GAU Index - 52-П-354У) - 76,2-mm Soviet divisional and anti-tank gun.

      Inappropriately add And anti-tank. ZIS-3 has always been divisional.
      Quote: padonok.71
      Teach materiel.

      it’s just about you.

      by the way once brought Wikipedia fun with you

      Anti tank
      guns
      37-mm gun 1-К · ✰ 37-mm gun arr. 1944 · 45-mm gun mod. 1932 · 45-mm gun mod. 1937 · 45-mm gun M-42 · ✯ 57-mm gun ZIS-2 · 85-mm gun arr. 1941 100-mm gun BS-3

      Where is ZIS-3?
      1. padonok.71
        0
        4 July 2014 06: 26
        The author claims that the payload of the artillery system is 45 mm. caliber were the most common among the Red Army, throughout the Second World War. I say that this is not so, and the most widespread (for p / t) was 76 cal. As an argument, I quote the number of the most widespread system of 76 cal. To describe this system, I bring a copy of the description from the first available resource (even if it’s a wiki). You bring your knowledge of systems from 37 to 100 cal. And here it is?
        I argue, just to argue? They have already embroiled their own country, but do not argue.
  15. +2
    3 July 2014 15: 50
    And I liked the article. A couple of months ago, in St. Petersburg, at the Art Museum, I again looked at the "flower bed of artillery systems with flower names." winked I immediately remembered
    1. 0
      4 July 2014 05: 57
      Quote: xomaNN
      "flower bed of artillery systems with flower names"

      And the "flowers" - what kind ... love Already captures the spirit ... "Cornflower", "Hyacinth", "Chrysanthemum" ... Such cool bouquets of these "flowers" ... Well done designers !!! good
  16. +2
    3 July 2014 15: 52
    “You have 20,” our military decided, having met with German aviation guns during the Great Patriotic War, “but we will have 23-mm!”
    Some nonsense, firstly the cartridge was created in 1940, the origin is completely different. A cartridge for the DShK, -> a new 20 mm round in a machine gun sleeve -> a 23 mm round in a new long sleeve.
    Well, German guns aren’t visible here. Just the cartridge was created for specific performance characteristics of the Red Army. And the dimension had a specific one, that of the design of an elongated shell, that of a weight of gunpowder.
    I imagine how the well-known Tungsten would pour out poisons, looking at such posts on the site. Let's do without unverified stuffing. And let the authors indicate the sources of their "facts". And then people who read a little, and can believe.
  17. +3
    3 July 2014 16: 48
    ... the projectile had a speed of 1400 m / s, which was an order of magnitude higher than at that time other similar guns were giving ...
    Actually, the expression "an order of magnitude higher" has a very definite and unambiguous meaning: exactly 10 times more (and not more than 10 ... 20 ... 50 or some percentage there).
    Those. the author believes that the other guns had an initial speed of only 140 m / s? laughing
  18. +2
    3 July 2014 17: 54
    Article minus. It is even weak for Wikipedia, and for the forum, in general, about nothing. Information is not that zero, but, in general, minus three hundred. I don’t want to argue with the author - I’m too lazy to press the buttons ...
    1. 0
      3 July 2014 18: 55
      Well, you are in vain. Firstly, the man worked, made some sort of selection. It’s hard for me to argue and criticize as it’s not related to the armed forces, but I broadened my horizons. Try to create something yourself, write an interesting review, and we can all criticize ourselves. Therefore, I put a plus sign in a small article, but I did not put anything for you.
      1. anomalocaris
        +5
        3 July 2014 20: 21
        If a person carries nonsense, then this does not justify his labor. Materiel need to know.
  19. +1
    3 July 2014 21: 41
    "Caliber is the diameter of the barrel of an artillery gun, as well as a pistol, machine gun and hunting rifle. Anyone who is somehow connected with military affairs, is familiar with this term, knows what it is,"
    I am afraid that the author of the article is not quite a military man. Because the caliber of the HUNTING RUN is not at all connected with the diameter of the barrel bore. And then in Russian ballistics the DISTANCE BETWEEN Opposite CUTTING FIELDS is called the CALIBER "I think so!" (C) c \ f "Mimino" hi
    1. 0
      4 July 2014 05: 52
      Quote: Captain45
      Since the caliber of the HUNTING GUN is completely unrelated to the diameter of the barrel.


      Of course, I wildly apologize, BUT, the question arises, how do you get such knowledge? After all, the caliber of hunting weapons is measured by the number of ball-shaped bullets cast from an English pound of lead BY STEM CHANNEL DIAMETER feel. Here, somewhere like that. hi
      1. anomalocaris
        0
        4 July 2014 16: 22
        Not somewhere, but the way it is. Although in earlier times (until the middle of the XIX century), the pound could be taken and another.
  20. 0
    4 July 2014 02: 07
    Quote: Kars
    Inappropriately add And anti-tank. ZIS-3 has always been divisional.

    Incomprehensible definition with a divisional gun. The purpose is clear when it is anti-tank, anti-aircraft, howitzer, etc.
    What’s divisional? Struggling against divisions? Or just some indefinite barrel in service with the division?
    1. anomalocaris
      +1
      4 July 2014 03: 09
      It is a regular artillery armament of art divisions included in the staffing list of rifle and tank divisions.
      During the Second World War, we had 76mm ZiS-3 and 122mm M-30, for the Germans - 105mm lFH 18.
    2. 0
      4 July 2014 05: 48
      Quote: Denimax
      What’s divisional? Struggling against divisions? Or just some indefinite barrel in service with the division?


      "Divisional" actually means that the batteries of these guns were subordinate to the division commander. For the gifted, let me remind you that there were also regimental cannons ... feel
      1. anomalocaris
        0
        4 July 2014 16: 07
        I will add. In some armies there were also battalion guns ...
  21. 0
    4 July 2014 02: 32
    Lolsho? I honestly thought when I started reading that now I will point out to the author a couple of inaccuracies ... Yeah ... The author, read the article on the wiki about "Terminator-2" and "Predator", you will be first surprised. Schwartz moved like a volcano, the charm is simple. Gave an idea for an article. And so the idea is interesting, but the execution is weak. Inaccuracies are excusable, but blunders are upsetting.
  22. 0
    4 July 2014 05: 46
    Plus put the author without even thinking laughing . I read a lot about the calibres of various systems and weapons (so I know quite enough), the author quite briefly BUT YOMKO described the artillery calibers. Thank. hi
    1. anomalocaris
      +1
      4 July 2014 16: 10
      Yeah. If you've read so much, what is the diameter of the .357 Magnum cartridge bullet?
      To be honest, the author of nichrome did not really describe. Moreover, he did not even begin with a banal explanation of where the concept of caliber came from.
  23. vanyux04
    0
    5 July 2014 09: 21
    Good ...
  24. 0
    6 July 2014 12: 12
    The article does not reflect several interesting facts:
    the difference in the definition of caliber in us and in the west,
    bombs also have a caliber, only it is measured in kilograms,
    where did the name caliber come from.

    And also a lot of inaccuracies.
  25. 0
    6 July 2014 23: 01
    the gun or machine gun, as far as I know, is determined not so much by the caliber as by the presence of a leading belt: there is a gun, no machine gun (gun, rifle)
  26. -1
    7 July 2014 14: 36
    A very strange article! The number of exclamation marks, to put it mildly, is too much. This is not a "Full House!" Book. And there are mistakes.

    Incidentally, "when the 105-mm caliber" went "there, we put 115-caliber guns on our tanks" - just took a 100mm gun and sharpened the rifling. So it turned out 115mm. At the same time, the resource decreased by 25 times! From 10000 shots to just 400.
  27. +1
    7 July 2014 14: 43
    More pearl "With the weight of the gun itself 229 kg, its armor-piercing projectile had a speed of 1400 m / s, which was an order of magnitude higher than other similar weapons at that time." - An order of magnitude? Is it 140m \ s for the rest or something ?!