Fights near Kramatorsk and Slavic. There were messages about the complete environment of Slavyansk

Fighting continues between fighters of the Donbas people's militia and representatives of the Ukrainian punitive detachments. The fighting takes place in the vicinity of Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. There is information that due to the attack of the Ukrainian security forces in Kramatorsk, the water line is damaged, through which drinking water enters the city. This same water line provided water and some areas of Slavyansk.

Site reports using the social network VK Igor Strelkov shares:

The waterways in the Severodonetsk canal, broken by artillery, broke through the artillery, through which the water “flowed” into Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. Now the city was completely without water. Wells will not be able to provide a still large population. In the center of Kramatorsk again works "Hurricane".

Igor Strelkov adds:

2 fighter killed in battle. Three wounded. The enemy tank was shot down (unfortunately, he was dragged to the rear).

RIA News With reference to the command of the militia states that Slavyansk is completely surrounded by Ukrainian security forces. Information agency quotes assistant Igor Strelkov:

The enemy cut off Slavyansk from the village of Nikolaevka, through which the last "road of life" between the city and the outside world remained. The militia forces were pushed back to Nikolaevka, now there is a battle between Nikolayevka and neighboring Semenovka.

The enemy slowly but surely compresses the ring of the environment. Artillery, "Grad", "Hurricane" work on positions and residential areas. The steadfastness of our infantry cannot stop the armada of armored vehicles in conditions when for every three of our fighters there is one enemy armored unit.

Comments

[fox21h]

Sucks, if that's true, I hope the situation will change for the better for the militias.

[portoc65]

Maybe Donetsk and Lugansk will send help and hit the rear .. They will finish Slavyansk .. So the guys have done the impossible, so much time is being restrained by such punitive forces .. I’m afraid that if they go in, they will cut out the entire population.

[VengefulRat]

I also don’t understand why there are no attempts to unblock Slavyansk from the side of the LPR and the DPR.

[portoc65]

I’m talking about the same thing ... from 2 sides would have hit .. and the Ukrainians would have been in ticks

[Yaks]

It would be something that would probably hit. ... (((

[Himalayan]

It is interesting that in the poll “sabotage in Donetsk,” this item is in last place. Why ...?
http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1381599/

As for me, it’s a direct subversive activity in the leadership and power structures of Donetsk.

The basics of armed struggle: telephone, telegraph, train station ... which in our time - control and logistics of communications and information flows - Any military man and politician knows

About Khodakovsky.
we have two enemies, commanders of the east and dill ... the east crushed Rinat ... it’s Khodakovsky drove the Donetsk militia special forces to the airport where they were all killed, it was Khodakovsky who put two checkpoints near Rinat’s house and set up a camp in the type of training camp for trainings , and in fact, to protect the property of Rinat, it was Khodakovsky who did not send a single person to Slavyansk to help, that Khodakovsky was all dressed, shod and armed, this Khodakovsky sent a company to Marinovka, which ultimately lost the only normal armored personnel carrier and two

From the same opera, the jerk-lip-slap-mmm-nashchik who appointed him - Pushilin

[Himalayan]

A good friend of mine today unsubscribed to this topic.
He himself in the militia, in Donetsk:
*****
"A week ago there was a shootout in the hotel" Niva "(Kalininsky market) - there were found 15 people of pravosek .... In short, they tied everyone up .... There are many such groups in Donetsk, they sit quietly and do not protrude yet, waiting for" commands. " On this and other questions they came to the head of the regional police department and asked which side he was on and if he wanted to swear allegiance to the DPR. However, he, being Akhmetov's man, rudely "asked people to leave." As a result, there was a shootout in the city center and the seizure of the OVD.This condom, under the patronage of its owner, created a sabotage network in the city and the region, covered groups of pravosek (it is no secret that through any precinct one can know everything in his area), merged resistance activists etc. I do not know his fate .... (information from local cops)
The situation in Donetsk is not clear. They shoot there, and 100 meters from the patrol they sit drinking beer and drumming ...
No one believes that Donetsk will be bombed .... In short, life takes its course, though the people became fewer and shooting was heard at night ....
Most of all, people trust Srelka (at least he is not Akhmetov's man). On his initiative, the army of Novorossiya is being formed. Specifically, in Donetsk, the Miners' division and all formations such as the "Vostok" or "Oplot" battalion will be obliged to go under general command, otherwise - kirdyk. These battalions were originally funded by Akhmetov and Yanukovych, respectively, so they have infamous informers. They drain everyone in a row to the right and to the left ... Although now the East is the most capable unit, but they will do something with it ... There are also many security formations funded by the Akhmetov sixes ... They are like guarding real estate, valuables, etc. The guys seem to be local, but for the money and what to expect from them is not clear. They can shoot in the back if they say ...
In Lugansk, the same crap, only there is still Efremov (the head of the Party of Regions and not the vowel owner of the region, I hope he was ..). In general, the gangster gopota throughout the region also mobilized and what to expect from them is not known ... But if someone discredits (robbing, wringing out cars, etc.), it is mainly they ... I think sooner or later we will perecheryachim, enough 20 years this rabble was endured and feared ... "
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[Dmitry Ukraine]

And here in Kramatorsk, those civilians who have already fully experienced howitzers on themselves say that in comparison with the Grad or Hurricane, when no one even reached the cellar at 23:30 yesterday evening (they did not have time , in the silence of the "peaceful night", immediately a full volley of MLRS over their heads), this is all "garbage" ... They flew up only from the floor from the blast waves when they tried to snuggle up to it during the shelling, and there was nothing left of the village - that's all was destroyed and burned (we are talking about the suburbs near Kramatorsk) ... But, for some reason, about Krasnogorka, Vesely and other villages destroyed tonight, near Kramatorsk - there is silence everywhere ... There is a type of "fighting" ... that EXCLUSIVELY PEACEFULS (pensioners, children, women) perish in them - all fucking fuck !!!

[Black_andy]

Dmitry Ukraine UA  Today, 22:36 PM ↑ New

- not for everyone Dmitry - at least - we sympathize with you all ... Anyway - we are with you

[Dmitry Ukraine]

Thank you, it is important for us that there are people who are not indifferent to these events.

[SSeT]

Hold on as you can, as long as patience and time allows. Unfortunately, our government is more "tolerant" to the piglet. In our hearts, we are still for you. Be patient, I think everything will work out

[captain dvv]

Everything that happens in Ukraine is an internal affair of Ukraine. So said Putin yesterday. Well, someone else believes in Putin's brilliant plan.

[pazuhinm]

Read the first comments. And why not Lugansk with Donetsk harness? Beer is not over yet?

And what, Putin should go to fight for them?

[aleks700]

Read the first comments. And why not Lugansk with Donetsk harness? Beer is not over yet?

And what, Putin must go to fight for them

There are no beer drinkers, but he promised to intercede for children, women, old people, and as a "man" - he gave his word and took back.

[Deff]

I have long spoken and hope that if Strelkov gets out, he will replace this pseudo-trash leadership of the DPR. Although he put off everything, it is impossible to fight and win victories in an uncoordinated space. This guide is simply a wartime betrayal.

[biznaw]

Strelkov is not allowed to go to Donetsk, he is guaranteed to be slammed there, it’s easier to ensure security in any other small city, and you can lead from the bunker.
Strelkov has a well-deserved authority, but he is now unable to "build" ukrosabotazhniks in Donetsk; later, if they fight back, he will engage in counterintelligence in the highest echelons of power in the DPR. Successful as always.
For good Strelkov need to be evacuated from Slavyansk, he will be very needed in the near future as F.E. Dzerzhinsky.

[atalef]

Quote: biznaw

Strelkov shouldn’t get to Donetsk, he’ll be guaranteed to slam him there,
For good Strelkov need to be evacuated from Slavyansk, he will be very needed in the near future as F.E. Dzerzhinsky.

Shooters idealist and romantic (generally quite a shitty combination for a military leader) well, in general Shooters outside Slavyansk - certainly doomed (and you are right in this)
His idealism will not allow him to take root in Donetsk (without sacrificing the princes), and he doesn’t need a competitor to Blazer or whatever Bolotov, they have shrew feeders, but the most interesting thing is that the top does not need him in Russia, such a leader has grown from the bottom, only it’s shaking the vertical line, and they don’t accept strangers into it, but democracy must be shown — then Strelkov has real chances to break through where they certainly aren’t waiting for him - therefore the conclusion is disappointing - Strelkov will die - in the halo of the martyr he will arrange all sides such garbage

[djqnbdjqnb]

Unfortunately, the same thoughts occurred to me. I really do not want this to be true. But it seems like it's true

[Gradus HuK]

Syria has not fallen yet!

[Gradus HuK]

Man assumes and GOD disposes.

[typhoon7]

This idealist has been holding the defense for a couple of months, although ukrov has a monstrous superiority in people and technology, Russia has always held on to such people.

[Hippopotamus]

Quote: typhoon7

This idealist has been holding the defense for a couple of months, although ukrov has a monstrous superiority in people and technology, Russia has always held on to such people.

But where is this "Russia" now? ...
A friend in need is a friend indeed. There is trouble in Donbass, and people were hoping for their "friend" ...

[avia1991]

Quote: atalef

therefore, the conclusion is disappointing - Strelkov will die-- in the halo of the martyr he will arrange all sides, such garbage

A thorn camel in your tongue, Alexander! You honestly do not understand how you still live in this world, if everything is so bad, and conclusions can only be made gloomy!
The shooters are not alone there. There is also Borodai, he represents the same forces. A romantic is still better than a skeptic who is embittered by the whole world, who is only capable of making an outsider. And if we take into account that romantic ideals have both the real combat experience of one and the experience of economic survival in crisis conditions of the other, multiply this by the sympathy and respect of the local "electorate", which just needs to believe in someone! - in general, it turns out a good and not weak tandem! If I were in your place (thank God that I am on my own!), I would be careful not to make predictions - you can be a fool!
No offense - but not everything in Russians is measured by profit. Unlike your fellow countrymen.

[Weniamin]

but not everything in Russians is measured by profit.

I absolutely agree with you with one amendment: Not all Russians measure everything in profit. The question is different: What is measured by those who are in power, who have the right to make decisions?

[avia1991]

Quote: Weniamin

What is measured by those who are in power, who have the right to make decisions?

The decision makers are unknown to us in my opinion, it’s hard to judge what drives them. But those who tackle the solutions obviously measure monetary value.
Only in this case they can hardly be called RUSSIAN: they represent international corporations, and the concept of "patriotism" is essentially alien to them.

[Semen Semyonitch]

It was smooth on paper ... I think he does not agree with this situation ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: atalef

Archer idealistic and romantic (generally pretty shitty combination for the military leader)

I don’t understand how this “idealist and romantic” for months fights off the many times superior forces of the ukrov; “keeps” Slavensk and Kramatorsk; introduced and maintains “iron” discipline; if necessary, shoot traitors and looters? All this could the "idealist and romantic"? Yes, Russia has at least a dozen such "idealists and romanticists" Strelkovs, and then really, glory to Russia! What are his ideas that have become known to you, which gave rise to declaring "idealist and romantic"?

[SSeT]

Explanatory commentary. Unfortunately, I agree.
it's atalef ~ y if that

[neon]

The shooters most likely will not get out. Too powerful forces against him .. while the Kremlin's sides, I will quote the words of Nicholas II that are relevant today in relation to Moscow as never before - "Around treason, cowardice and deception .."

[Hippopotamus]

Quote: Neone

The shooters most likely will not get out. Too powerful forces against him .. while the Kremlin's sides, I will quote the words of Nicholas II that are relevant today in relation to Moscow as never before - "Around treason, cowardice and deception .."

I gave you a minus for Strelkov. Because while a person is alive, all these "most likely" are irrelevant.
But I completely agree with the quote! Castrates are not born. They become them.

[I am proud of Russia]

Unfortunately, this is not realistic at the moment (Strelok and his units are really fighting, but it seems to me they want to buy this shusher and therefore they are not particularly driven to Donetsk. I hope I'm wrong.

[Magadan]

Okay, every ukropovskaya heresy is to be repeated! ERROR was allowed at the airport, as then in those days no one had somehow bombed airports from the air.
Maybe the militia - in general made a mistake that they first seized buildings, and then cities? After all, they too could be gouged from the air?

No need to divert attention from the CRIMINAL inaction of the Russian authorities! And to transfer arrows to the Militia.

It is interesting, in the event of the discharge of New Russia, with what feelings will we celebrate 9 of May 2015? And will we even have the right to celebrate it?

[I am proud of Russia]

Quote: Magadan

Okay, every ukropovskaya heresy is to be repeated! ERROR was allowed at the airport, as then in those days no one had somehow bombed airports from the air.
Maybe the militia - in general made a mistake that they first seized buildings, and then cities? After all, they too could be gouged from the air?

No need to divert attention from the CRIMINAL inaction of the Russian authorities! And to transfer arrows to the Militia.

It is interesting, in the event of the discharge of New Russia, with what feelings will we celebrate 9 of May 2015? And will we even have the right to celebrate it?

We will normally celebrate. Judging by the information and media in the DPR, there are too many talking heads with incomprehensible motivation, and looking at these faces it is very difficult to believe in their patriotism and altruism. So they can merge Arrow, but only the LPR with the DPR. but not Russia at all. I hope our sell peacekeeping mission through the UN ...

[niki233]

Quote: yaks

It would be something that would probably hit. ... (((

there is nothing to strike, there is no desire in the board of these republics; functionaries are sitting; they basically only work in language, and then they are not beaten, okay. there is no real center and unity, since there is no crushing them, it is not regrettable.

[avia1991]

Quote: niki233

have something to hit

Can you give more details? THAN? And where does such confidence come from - are you writing to us with the forefront ?!

[3vs]

A full-scale war has begun.

If someone from the militia reads the forum, I suggest in the cities,
who bomb on the speakerphone to broadcast the songs of the Great Patriotic War "Sacred War", "June 22",
"Blue handkerchief", etc. and if someone can, in the rear of the cranky Ukrainian warriors broadcast fascist military marches on loudspeakers.
I hope, I really hope that someone should have their brains in place.

[armageddon]

Hmm ... I hope the help from the LPR and the DPR will be provided !!! Perhaps they are waiting when the Natsik get in deeper ... What would then be with one MAKHOM ... DESTROY !!!

[captain dvv]

What help do you expect from Putin. Entering the military will not be. He already proposes to guard the border together with Ukraine and representatives from Europe.
that is, in other words, Russia is ready to cut off supplies. Mass killings of civilians in Novorossia already exist as well as shelling already on Russian territory. If you wanted to intervene, there were already more than enough reasons.
But the desire somewhere evaporated after a well-known visit from Switzerland.

[Associate Professor]

Quote: captain dvv

He already proposes to guard the border together with Ukraine and representatives from Europe.
that is, in other words, Russia is ready to cut off supplies.

Do not distort. It is proposed to put observers, but only for the period of a truce

[captain dvv]

Well, yes, let's look for an excuse for action, or rather, the inaction of our leadership. People are being killed, and we cannot even recognize New Russia.
Turkey in a similar situation, despite all the possible consequences, recognized and even sent troops to Northern Cyprus. And we didn’t even have enough to recognize courage.

[IGMIT]

I would like to believe in it, well, something tells the opposite.

[anfil]

I also don’t understand why there are no attempts to unblock Slavyansk from the side of the LPR and the DPR.

What from Lugansk, what from Donetsk 120-130km what forces to overcome such a distance ?!

[kronverg]

The Russian army would overcome.

[O_RUS]

Quote: kronverg

The Russian army would overcome.

as it was in the beginning ... most Ukrainians watched the killings from the side and remained. And solving problems with the wrong hands is probably a national feature of the Ukrainian.

[captain dvv]

You put yourself in the place of ordinary residents of New Russia. Initially, there were public statements from the Russian side for support. Then a full 180-turn and already wishes to wait with a referendum. Now our president has generally called everything that is happening an internal affair of Ukraine. That is, you need to leave your family and go to war for New Russia, which even Russia does not recognize.
Give hope to people, show the goal for the armed struggle, and then we can demand from a simple miner, teacher, locksmith participation in this struggle.
Indeed, now even having won the armed struggle, what New Russia can count on. On the status of the same Transnistria.

[Nikolaevich I]

[quote = captain dvv] After all, now even having won in the armed struggle, what can Novorossiya count on. For the status of the same Transnistria.
As for the pindobolism of the "Russian side", you are right. But the victorious Novorossia will have a "status" better than now that Transnistria has a border with Russia. Abkhazia live with South Ossetia and do not "scratch."

[Nina Zima]

02.07.2014/18/12 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Summary and comments by I. I. Strelkov

"The Ukrainians gouged the water conduits on the Severodonetsk Canal with artillery, through which the water flowed" by gravity "to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. Now the city is left completely without water. The wells will not be able to provide the still large population.
In the center of Kramatorsk again works "Hurricane".

- And what's the point in capturing Slavyanka?

I. I .: “Well, at least to try to destroy the most combat-ready militia units ... And to eliminate, so to speak, the banner. By the way, the city is heavily bombarded with heavy artillery. Apparently, they completely see the meaning.”

- Igor Ivanovich, the problem is that only a few percent of the brave ones are fighting on the land of New Russia. Where are the others? Do they drink beer? Rub your pants on the couches? Is it worth it for the sake of these "citizens" to shed the blood of Russian volunteers?

I. I .: "Tell me, if your brother, who is attacked by a hefty gangster, does not have enough courage to give change, you will stand by and complain:" well, why help you - are you such a coward? "
Here they kill old retired people who have worked all their lives for you. Here women are killed, who in any case cannot give the change to the murderers. "

And from myself: Guardian Angel to you, brothers !!!

[Bully]

Quote: Nina Zima

- Igor Ivanovich, the problem is that only a few percent of the brave ones are fighting on the land of New Russia. Where are the others? Do they drink beer? Rub your pants on the couches? Is it worth it for the sake of these "citizens" to shed the blood of Russian volunteers?

I. I .: "Tell me, if your brother, who is attacked by a hefty gangster, does not have enough courage to give change, you will stand by and complain:" well, why help you - are you such a coward? "
Here they kill old retired people who have worked all their lives for you. Here women are killed, who in any case cannot give the change to the murderers. "

Sissy, who asked these face-to-face questions, did not calm down and made a widespread and fashionable argument about drawing Russia into the war. To which Igor (Kotych) answered him: "Once upon a time there was a wise gudgeon ... Then read the tale of Saltykov-Shchedrin - everything is written there. Wait for shame, and then - a war on your territory, since you are afraid to enter it on the neighboring one (by the way, also not a stranger at all) ".

[70BSN]

You cannot run naked to armored vehicles and they cannot hit from two sides!

[Matroskin 18]

I also don’t understand why there are no attempts to unblock Slavyansk from the side of the LPR and the DPR.

The reasons can be different:
- when blocking the NP, usually, in addition to the inner ring of the environment, they do the outside in order to prevent a breakthrough to
- there is no proper interaction between militia units
- the environment was sudden and there was not enough time to organize a counterattack
- the moment has not ripened (the enemy is not bogged down enough in the battle, he still has the possibility of regrouping to repulse the attack)

[biznaw]

The reasons:
Paragraph 2 and paragraph 4

[figter]

Matroskin
The reasons can be different:
- when blocking the NP, usually, in addition to the inner ring of the environment, they do the outside in order to prevent a breakthrough to
- there is no proper interaction between militia units
- the environment was sudden and there was not enough time to organize a counterattack
- the moment has not ripened (the enemy is not bogged down enough in the battle, he still has the possibility of regrouping to repulse the attack)

There is one reason:
- there will be no help.
If, from the point of view of tactics, you are considering fighting in Slavyansk, then these fighting are similar to battles in the support zone. Such actions do not imply a complete encirclement of their units, and if there is a threat of such, they suggest a retreat to the next position, by conducting a maneuverable battle. Therefore, he has one way out - a breakthrough and retreat to the next frontier.
Behind Slavyansk, a whole series of settlements goes to the south, where it is possible to organize defense, consistently occupying them from line to line and exhausting the enemy with maneuverable defense, movements, deployment and regrouping, as well as sabotage on extension routes. It makes no sense from a military point of view to hold Slavyansk for so long. Strelkov, on the other hand, acts more likely from a political and moral point of view in relation to the city and its inhabitants, which runs counter to tactics and can lead to disastrous consequences. Better to win, not die. The easiest way to die.

[s1н7т]

Quote: figter

It makes no sense from a military point of view to hold Slavyansk for so long. Strelkov, on the other hand, acts more likely from a political and moral point of view in relation to the city and its inhabitants, which runs counter to tactics and can lead to disastrous consequences.

In fact, we don’t know what Strelkov’s motives are for making certain decisions. And, by the way, I’m not sure that he studied BUSV, part 1.

[figter]

In fact, we don’t know what Strelkov’s motives are for making certain decisions. And, by the way, I’m not sure that he studied BUSV, part 1.

I agree with you about the motives. However, actions to keep Slavyansk and to rivet the main forces of the enemy will bring results if the main militia forces of the DPR and LPR take advantage of this to strengthen general defense. So far, this is not traceable from the information available in the media. On the contrary, instead the leadership of the DPR is engaged in dividing up spheres of influence and civil strife, there is no general management of the hostilities. Therefore, the task of Strelkov’s units in such a stupid situation is to save strength for subsequent battles.

[Orik]

Quote: VengefulRat

I also don’t understand why there are no attempts to unblock Slavyansk from the side of the LPR and the DPR.

How do you imagine the unlocking by the forces of one infantry, without artillery and in the presence of armored vehicles, even under the rule of a frail ukrovsky aviation ?! Despite the fact that dill has an overwhelming quantitative superiority in manpower and technology!

[VengefulRat]

Well, in Lugansk there is definitely some kind of equipment. And without artillery - yes, unfortunately in no way.
And above the comrade all rightly voiced. It seems that there is not enough coordinated action between the units.

[Corsair]

Quote: VengefulRat

Well, in Lugansk there is definitely some kind of equipment. And without artillery - yes, unfortunately in no way.

And I will add, a BARREL ANTI-EQUIPMENT ARTILLERY, capable of "reaching" enemy aircraft at high altitudes, where they were forced out by "Zushki" and MANPADS ...

[Anisim1977]

Forgive Korsar - but, it’s not a pity, while such a mess in Donetsk (Slavyansk dies, and help from Donetsk is imperceptible), it is easier for Russia to accept millions of refugees than to rake this mess from the inside. 7 million people kill 20-30 thousand fascists. If at least all policemen and hunters (+ private security agents of all stripes) took up arms to fight in a serious way - they would have already gouged this riffraff.
Yes, the howitzer is serious - but a few dozen people with a smooth-bore gun can very well put the work of these systems - there, after all, not special forces, but botanists at the core ...
.A at capture of the battery - to expand trunks and to blow !!!!
It's just that while the majority thinks - the main thing is that “I’m not my beloved will die today” - Our Army has nothing to do there and there is no one even serious iron to adjust - there is nothing to lose, they will come to Us as refugees and we will accept everyone, even if millions - and those who shake over belongings, but he is not ready to fight for it, to whom the dying Slavyansk does not speak about anything - let him sit and wait for caramel in the air from the piglet.
But Akhmetov is simply not a smart person - it’s clear that the insane state of Donetsk is his work, that his guardsmen either do nothing or harm, because there are a lot of them with weapons and money. He alone cannot understand it - a scumbag and a pig - His factories, and therefore billions of land, are running out of time, and soon he can become poor. And the West is pragmatic - he will remember the path about Gaddafi’s fate, or Berezovsky .......
Ordinary people are very sorry, the only hope that this pain and horror - cleanse the souls of people, remind you of money, at home and so on - is not the most important thing in life .......

[Deff]

while such a mess in Doneck (Slavic dies, and help from Doneck
immeasurably), Russia is easier to take millions of refugees than to disassemble this gadget

I do not agree: Close the border with Ukraine, there is reason to increase the number of troops (border guards) on the border, Obama 30 / 06 / 14 has also declared for America to protect against migrants.

The move may not be pleasant for patriots, but effective. The stronger the ATO, the more refugees will demand from Kiev housing and conditions. Obviously, some of them will be in Kiev. This is the finished Maidan-3 with a constant new influx, without any military advance with losses to Kiev. Later it will be possible to join the militias, adopting the method on the Maidan of the right sector.

The first half a million refugees to Russia were just a week after the last strengthening of the ATO.
The second half a million will already be in Ukraine, when closing the border in less time. Where will Kiev get from decisions?
The mass of refugees will shut up all the arguments of the Kiev and international media, and of the law-abiding. Who can contradict the testimonies of thousands about the bombing?
Poroshenko will free his hands to go to peace.

This will force to stop the ATO and go to negotiations. By the way, these refugees are already enough mass for Maidan-3

And yes, those who did not want to fight will be forced to beg for housing.
Increased incentives to join the militia. And yes, with full control of the border by border guards, it’s easier to deliver and help Donbass really repel provocations, such as throwing shells or driving armored personnel carriers (s).

[max702]

Concentration camps are already being built .. This is the solution to the refugee problem, Westerners are not in the first.

[captain dvv]

They already said that they would hang it later. But it will be so after peace talks. The minimum that Novorossia should agree to is a confederation with Ukraine as an independent state. Otherwise, they will cut out over time all who fought against them. But the demand of the confederation is possible only after the recognition of New Russia by Russia.
What our leadership stubbornly does not want to do.

[avia1991]

Quote: Deff

The move may not be pleasant for patriots, but effective. The stronger the ATO, the more refugees will demand from Kiev housing and conditions.

"Maybe not nice"? That is, you admit a different attitude of patriots to such conclusions?! ..
And further: where is the logic? In your idea?

Quote: Deff

The mass of refugees will shut up all the arguments of Kiev and international media

First, who will let them go there?
Secondly, you do not admit that Ukrainians, with their brains long gone, will treat refugees like animals, and many more of these unfortunates will die - especially with the connivance of the "authorities"? Odessa has already demonstrated this to us ..
Thirdly, men who are in the militia will be forced to leave it - just so as not to jeopardize their relatives, who, according to your advice, fled to Ukraine.
Fourthly, as a result of paragraph three, the ATO will end with the complete success of the junta, and Russia will have NATO's friendly shoulder on its side ..
Sir, WHAT ARE YOU PUSHING US ???

[Deff]

Question to the propaganda patriots, indicate the places of concentration camps and mass shootings of 16 000 refugees from Donbass who have already moved to the Ukrainian

I'm not sure that the answers are substantiated and people have information, answering with purely propaganda slogans. Odessa was needed as an intimidation, Donbass refugees fleeing from Donbass, and not staying there, need to show the world and Europe how carefully Poroshenko treats them, unlike the "terrorists", at least now it is!

[Deff]

Question to the propaganda patriots, indicate the places of concentration camps and mass executions of 16 000 refugees from Donbass who have already moved to Ukraine?
Ksat Ukrainian press has articles on the topic. In the Rada, too, they are trying to attach the question to the same means, without increasing to the Crimean refugees.
I'm not sure that the answers are substantiated and people have information, answering with purely propaganda slogans. Odessa was needed as an intimidation, Donbass refugees fleeing from Donbass, and not staying there, need to show the world and Europe how carefully Poroshenko treats them, unlike the "terrorists", at least now it is!

[avia1991]

Quote: Deff

Question to the propaganda patriots, indicate the places of concentration camps and mass executions of 16 000 refugees from Donbass who have already moved to Ukraine?

16 thousand against half a million - is there a difference?
Concerning concentration camps: I talked about what could happen to people if Russia refuses to help. Now it is not profitable for ukram to provoke the massacre, but if you accept your option, there is a high probability of such a situation.
And why didn’t you answer Corsair, dear? For what, indeed, are you so actively - in different branches - promoting your idea?

[Deff]

Are you looking for "witches" on this site? Or argued polemics?
For what for so accentuate bold ???
So far I think that the idea takes place in the portfolio of options. Twice, so that I remember more.
Options allow you to make the best choice. The situation is changing fast, argument is changing too
I also have a post about a balloon, so five times it’s duplicated, study my profile!

[Corsair]

Quote: Deff

I do not agree: Close the border with Ukraine, there is reason to increase the number of troops (border guards) on the border, Obama 30 / 06 / 14 has also declared for America to protect against migrants.

Eco jammed you ...Deff RU 1 July 2014 16: 15 | Intensive artillery shelling of Slavyansk

Quote: Deff

Close the border, there is reason to increase the number of troops (border guards), Obama yesterday, too, exactly declared for America.

[aleks700]

The stronger the ATO, the more refugees will demand from Kiev housing and conditions. Obviously, some of them will be in Kiev. This is the finished Maidan-3 with a constant new influx, without any military advance with losses to Kiev

Which Maidan -3? Yes, they will be dispersed or shot. This is not Yanek, these will not flick.

[aleks700]

The mass of refugees will shut up all the arguments of the Kiev and international media, and of the law-abiding. Who can contradict the testimonies of thousands about the bombing?

State Department. no refugees and that’s it. And who will they believe? Psaki or frames from the border where the refugees? Answer: Psaki.

[Corsair]

Quote: Anisim1977

Yes, the howitzer is serious - but a few dozen people with a smooth-bore gun can very well put the work of these systems - there, after all, not special forces, but botanists at the core ...
.A at capture of the battery - to expand trunks and to blow !!!!

Then I will have to add to my comment on "anti-aircraft artillery" a request for the supply of remote mine clearance systems ...
And somehow I don’t feel like stupidly scribbling on artillery positions, between a word in a shot through and probably SHIELDED space, in MIN fields ...


Not a fun "walk" will come out ...

[anfil]

As a result of an artillery attack on a column of equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the area of ​​the village of Zheltoye, six enemy tanks were destroyed by militias on the road to the city of Happiness (Lugansk Region), the militia of the proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic reported.
It is reported by ITAR-TASS 1 July 2014, 20: 11

[alone]

Quote: Orik

How do you imagine the unlocking by the forces of one infantry, without artillery and in the presence of armored vehicles, even under the rule of a frail ukrovsky aviation ?! Despite the fact that dill has an overwhelming quantitative superiority in manpower and technology!

And where are the 250 tanks that Gubarev blew about for a week? Many of the top-ranking Uryalkins were ecstatic from these messages of his, but those who doubted it were nearly put to the wall.
Gubarev turned out to be a gaddler and a liar. And no wonder what is happening there now.

[avia1991]

Quote: lonely

Gubarev turned out to be a laborer and liar

"Omar Khayyam" majestically declared, contemptuously reading third-party comments .. Omar Khayyam turned over in his grave, seeing how you dishonor his name. He loved and respected people, by the way!
And in order to talk about a person like that, it would not hurt, at least, to be in his shoes! Everything is quite correct about the amount of equipment, it was assumed that part of it would be repaired - only this, as you know, takes time. Besides, why shouldn't Gubarev actually launch a "duck" with the aim of at least misinforming - and at most frightening the enemy?

[alone]

Quote: avia1991

"Omar Khayyam" majestically declared, contemptuously reading third-party comments .. Omar Khayyam turned over in his grave, seeing how you dishonor his name. He loved and respected people, by the way!
And in order to talk about a person like that, it would not hurt, at least, to be in his shoes! Everything is quite correct about the amount of equipment, it was assumed that part of it would be repaired - only this, as you know, takes time. Besides, why shouldn't Gubarev actually launch a "duck" with the aim of at least misinforming - and at most frightening the enemy?

)) Open your eyes, turn off the TV and think. The base is under the control of the Ukrainian army. Tanks, that is, what is called tanks in place. I’m not going to be in his shoes, because I was in a worse situation than this Santa Claus. Tell me, if you are so truthful, why do you need a t-34 tank monument if you have 250 tanks in your hands and who will feel better from misinformation about 250 tanks supposedly in Gubarev’s hands? Can you imagine what 250 tanks mean ? And what is the use of this misinformation for those who die there under shells? Correctly, Gubarev is not there, and his family has been killed in the drum for a long time.

[avia1991]

Quote: lonely

. And the fact that his family is dying on the drum has been in Russia for a long time.

A completely vain statement: he himself is THERE!

Quote: lonely

I’m not going to be in his shoes, because I was even worse off than this Santa Claus

It would be interesting to listen. Have you also tried to create a new state?

Quote: lonely

why do you need a monument to the t-34 tank

Do not remind WHEN the information about the captured base appeared? How many days after reports of the T-34? .. Even the IS-3 was brought up before! There were no others at that time!
And the last thing: since verbal communication is not enough for you, you will receive a return "minus"

[alone]

Quote: avia1991

Do not remind WHEN the information about the captured base appeared? How many days after reports of the T-34? .. Even the IS-3 was brought up before! There were no others at that time!

Information about the T-34 tank came literally a day or two ago. There it was removed from the pedestal and taken away to do everything so that the tank could fight. As for the IS-3, I know. Gubarev spoke about his 250 tanks on June 19 http://topwar.ru/52447-porazhenie-opolchencev-pod-krasnym-limanom-i-informaciya-

o-formirovanii-tankovoy-divizii-novorossii.html # comment-id-2898643.I think that at least 10-20 can be repaired during this period, but they aren’t there. As for the captured base, this is a fake. The base is controlled by paratroopers and military special forces Ukraine. The assault on the base failed. There are no these 250 tanks. This is PR.

Quote: avia1991

A completely vain statement: he himself is THERE!

But it’s not under shells, like those who are together in families in hell. A star from Donetsk, where there is no shelling, does not require much heroism. And you don’t need to worry about families.

Quote: avia1991

It would be interesting to listen. Have you also tried to create a new state?

I have my own state. I don’t need anything new. But when it was necessary, I fought for my country not in words and not for one year.

Quote: avia1991

And the last thing: since verbal communication is not enough for you, you will receive a return "minus"

I don’t know who set the minus to you. I don’t scatter the minuses. I’ll only put it when I am going to get to Washington from the R-17 Skad)) Everyone has the right to an opinion, and it may differ.

[miraculous]

or maybe there is no strength in the DNI LC? there are a handful of disparate units that Donetsk and Lugansk are unlikely to protect.

[RED_ICE]

but why is it not clear?
Donetsk doesn’t fight and it seems it’s not going to fight, unlike Lugansk, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. Donetsk has its own power.

[Alexan]

Along the highway or in the fields without the proper amount of armored vehicles to transfer the militia over a long distance and expose Donetsk? Do you have any idea of ​​the realities of the situation? The number of militias that can conduct street battles cannot attack tanks, armored personnel carriers, hailstones, tornadoes, aircraft and several army divisions! Well, just a kindergarten, not a "lieutenant general"!

[biznaw]

Unfortunately, commentators with generals and marshals' shoulder straps are not such, some did not even serve. They are given shoulder straps for the quantity +, for example, they wrote in the first post "Forward to Kiev !!!" they were given + other Uryapatriots and another rank ...
Stupidity, it would be better in the avatar to indicate the real rank and type of troops, the review is military, and the rating could be considered points.

[Mriya]

and I don’t understand, but what did Russia give up? We are "impatiently" waiting for NATO at our borders? What should happen to make at least some movement ???

[azkolt]

"Unfortunately, the" drain "of Novorossia by Putin actually happened. And for this you do not need to be a great analyst, to have access to the operational information of the Russian General Staff or the FSB. The border and the media are the main indicators of the drainage device. And the border shows that there are already hundreds of thousands of Russians from Ukraine crossed the border, fleeing the ethnic genocide of neo-Nazis. Is this not a drain? And in the media? We noticed how the degree of tension in hostilities on the territory of the DPR and LPR is gradually decreasing, and the vector of public opinion formed by Russian propaganda is shifting to refugees, assistance is now already on the territory of Russia? All this is covered by the game of Russian diplomacy to resolve the conflict in Ukraine peacefully on the sidelines of various UN, OSCE and private conversations with the leaders of the European Union.
Another thing worries. The so-called pacifists of Russia, supporters of Putin's "cunning" plan, exclaiming: "If only there was no war!" play into the hands only of the oligarchs of Russian business and the power structures that support them. Yes, our businessmen are not concerned about our well-being! It will be very bad for the entire Russian people if we bring in troops! - as the spell they repeat. Have you asked the people? Yes, we also understand how difficult it will be for us (by the way, it’s hard for us, by the way, all these years, starting from the 90s), but we also understand that our people by blood, our relatives and friends are dying in the literal sense. And there are millions of them! This cannot be dismissed !!! The blood of hundreds of our compatriot neighbors is already on Putin's hands. That is why now we are sharing with them the last piece of bread and our shelter. Everyone understands that the introduction of Russian troops into Ukraine will not solve all the problems. But Mr. President of Russia, help at least with weapons of New Russia !!! You may not even recognize it. There people will do everything for you and me. Such a trifle is required of you, but you are cowardly afraid to give it to the dying South-East! "
http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2358-cliv-novorossii-uzhe-nevozmozhen.html

[Associate Professor]

Quote: azkolt

Putin’s hands are already the blood of hundreds of our compatriots and neighbors.

Well wow statement. It turns out blood on Putin’s hands, and not on the hands of those who kill them. Why are we inspired by the authors of such statues. Do they not order such articles who want to arrange the same coup in Russia as in Ukraine? Putin is the president of Russia, not Ukraine or New Russia, and is responsible for Russia. I am grateful to him for not letting Russia collapse and its gradual restoration.

[avia1991]

Quote: Docent

Putin is the president of Russia, not Ukraine or New Russia, and is responsible for Russia.

I can’t say that I unequivocally agree with the author of the previous post. But about the President’s rhetoric:
"We could not leave the people of Crimea in trouble, who declared at the referendum .."
"What is happening in Donbass is an internal affair of Ukraine .."
Now explain: where are these different approaches from ?! That is, we do not intervene - then do not interfere ANYWHERE! Since the Crimea, with all referenda, etc., WAS FORMALLY THE TERRITORY OF UKRAINE. And if you declared support for the Russians - SO SUPPORT EVERYWHERE! What is the difference? The Black Sea Fleet was there, but it is not here. It turns out that this is the main and only reason? Or how?

[Associate Professor]

Quote: avia1991

The Black Sea Fleet was there, but it is not here. It turns out that this is the main and only reason? Or how?

"Under these conditions, allow the historical Russian territory with predominantly ethnic Russian population went there, to some kind of international military alliance, despite the fact that Crimeans themselves want to be part of Russia"Excuse me, we simply could not have acted otherwise." These are Putin's words from an interview with French media. This is the reason. The Black Sea Fleet, of course, too.

Quote: avia1991

Since the Crimea, with all referenda, etc., WAS FORMALLY THE TERRITORY OF UKRAINE.

In Crimea, legitimate authority declared independence, so even formally it was no longer the territory of Ukraine.

Quote: avia1991

And if you declared support for the Russians - SO SUPPORT EVERYWHERE! What is the difference?

I’ll also quote Putin on March 18:
"Millions of Russian people, Russian-speaking citizens live and will live in Ukraine, and Russia will always protect their interests political, diplomatic, legal means... However, first of all, Ukraine itself should be interested in ensuring that the rights and interests of these people are guaranteed. This is the guarantee of the stability of Ukrainian statehood and the territorial integrity of the country. "As he said, he supports it. At least publicly. What else do you want from him?

[captain dvv]

The recognition of New Russia after the referendum can be attributed to all three of these types of assistance. This is political and legal and diplomatic. But not military. But as they say they just threw it.
And the referendum also carried out the calculation of help that Putin has dishonored. No one then asked to send troops.

[avia1991]

Quote: Docent

"In these conditions, allow the historical Russian territory with a predominantly ethnic Russian population to go over there, into some kind of international military alliance,

And Donbass-historically not Russian territory ??? Like the rest of Novorossia? .. Come on - all this is just "convenient" rhetoric, to justify certain actions.

Quote: Docent

I’ll also quote Putin on March 18:

Look for his statement of March 4th. Everything is still more concrete there, and the appeal is not to the people of Crimea, but to all Russians. I’m not going to get it myself now - I’m going out. But I note that the fact remains: Putin reacts situationally, he simply does not have any plan. It is important for him to save face, because it was promised more than he really can afford to do.

[Deff]

Neher was accentuating about Novorossia, to the aggravation of the economic situation.
The president has little will, little consensus in power. Ukraine is actually in a state of war against Russia. And carries out genocide in the Donbass, and Novak reports that for the first quarter of the supply of petroleum products to Ukraine in full! Continue to say ATO, bring up guns, bomb planes, crush tanks.
And the United States is not embarrassed by the sanctions that are crushing us. And you see, too friendly to our oligarchs in every possible way helping the junta!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Docent

It turns out the blood in the hands of Putin, and not in the hands of those who kill them

Quote: Docent

Putin is president of Russia, not Ukraine or Novorossia

That's right! Even if they practice cannibalism in Ukraine or burn children in stoves instead of gas, what is it to us? This is an internal affair of Ukraine! And to interfere in any "internal affairs" is the prerogative of the United States! Russia, if it does intervene, then only with the permission of the United States. And as for the blood on your hands, you can put on gloves when Putin shakes Poroshenko's "bloody hand." Protocol? Nothing! Doctors will come up with some kind of eczema, in extreme cases, you can wash your hands. There is how many "detergents" Putin has: TV, radio channels, newspapers, and Internet.ru.

[Nikolaevich I]

PSWhen ukro-cannibals will enter into the taste and everyone in the Southeast will be eaten, where will they then rush? Which areas are nearby?

[aleks700]

Well wow statement. It turns out blood on Putin’s hands, and not on the hands of those who kill them.

Yes, and on his hands too. If it were not for his decision to ask for permission to send troops to Ukraine, there would be no armed uprising, there would be huge casualties among the civilian population. Order articles? Maybe someone. But people write from the heart and can in the hearts.

[aleksandroff]

Quote: azkolt

we also understand how difficult it will be for us (by the way, it has been difficult for us all these years, starting from the 90s), but we also understand that in the literal sense our people are dying, our relatives and friends. And there are millions of them! This can not be dismissed !!! Putin’s hands are already the blood of hundreds of our compatriots and neighbors.

No need to engage in slogans. And do not compare the 90s and the end of the 2000s. And do not blame Putin for their blood. There is no blood of Ukrainians on it. Blood of Ukrainians in Ukrainians. And we don’t know much what is going on there. The situation is ambiguous. Many, as they say, sit drinking beer until pravoseki come, and we must pour beer to them and begin to die for them. And you know that a lot of people in Donetsk generally want this to end, they do not understand and do not like militias. They also do not like Russia. And they do not care about us. And relatives and friends who like Russia are already in Russia. The rest are no longer brothers to us, already 23 years old. It is only we who think we are brothers. And they will spit in our faces when everything settles down. And the refugees will also do.

[Sandov]

How and how to help New Russia? You can’t let your own, the Gestapo’s will slaughter everyone. I’ll destroy armored vehicles with precision weapons, I think. The accumulation of punishers is also possible to see from space.

[Yapet100]

Quote: Sandov

How and how to help New Russia? You can’t let your own, the Gestapo’s will slaughter everyone. I’ll destroy armored vehicles with precision weapons, I think. The accumulation of punishers is also possible to see from space.

We are mere mortals ... But there are people with big stars and big salaries who receive money for upholding the interests of the state ... But, apparently, they are not given orders to solve this problem ...

[maxiban]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03bbgemSRwk#t=396
At the sixth minute, a rhetorical question and a rhetorical answer.

[Ugrumiy]

And why does the questioner himself walk along the bombed street in shorts and a T-shirt, and does not protect it in uniform and with a gun? No eggs? Forgive me harshly, but when your house is being destroyed and your family is under threat, go and protect it, and do not rely on someone! They sit on the woman evenly and groan: "Save Russia, help Russia!", But they themselves do nothing! My wife wrote to the girls from there: "Why don't your husbands protect you, but sit on the sidelines?" In response, silence and indistinct muttering. For your information, at that time I was just in Crimea, on a business trip. There, people together and on time got up and got the result, and the South-East at the same time was swinging, maybe it was necessary, but maybe it was not necessary, now they are slurping! It’s a pity that this didn’t add to their intelligence and courage, like sheep sit for slaughter and wait for them to be slaughtered.

[Mriya]

and this puff can go sideways of Russia itself, somehow it’s completely not clear what we expect? everyone just thinks about it, Putin has a chance to become a national hero, but for some reason, he does not seem to want this.

[kronverg]

Only the Russian army can help New Russia.

[European]

but she will not help! busy with sudden inspections of the commander in chief! maneuvers, they can’t. they have planned classes. yes and Uncle Lavrov runs around in their offices there, agrees that there would be less sanctions, well, we need to build a southern stream. what kind of new Russia. we don’t know any new Russia. shame the Kremlin.

[biznaw]

Scatter, ukrotroll!

[Associate Professor]

Quote: European

but she will not help! busy with sudden inspections of the commander in chief!

And rightly busy. The Russian army should protect only Russia.

Quote: European

Yes, and Uncle Lavrov runs everything around the offices there, agrees that there would be less sanctions, well, and the southern stream needs to be built

Yes, it is necessary to build the South Stream and it will be built.

Quote: European

what new Russia. we do not know any new Russia. shame on the Kremlin.

The Kremlin should work in the interests of Russia. It is in Russia's interests to help with volunteers and weapons. Such help is coming.

[avia1991]

Quote: Docent

Such help is coming.

Associate professor, do not wishful thinking. "Help" is to "keep the coal from going out completely." But in order to ignite the flame, you need a wind! And we have "above" - ​​complete calm ..

[captain dvv]

I totally agree. I do not see the sequence of actions of our leadership. Arms supply support is good, but what these deliveries give without official recognition. It really seems only to try to keep it from going out. I don’t see any signs of our leadership’s desire to provide real help. And the recipe for solving the problem is in full view.
1. Official recognition of New Russia following the results of voting in a referendum.
2. Assistance with military supplies of heavy weapons.
Direct participation of Russian troops would not be needed. Already now there is parity in the number of people participating in the hostilities on both sides. The difference is only in armament. And the difference is huge.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Docent

The Russian army must defend only Russia.

How does the merikan army manage to defend the United States in Libya, in Iraq and wherever it pleases?

[aleks700]

Strengthening our position in the Arctic!

[yana]

absolutely support!

[Stalker]

I’m afraid that if they go in, they’ll cut out the entire population.

They don’t need to be afraid ... It will be so if they don’t hit the rear of the junta and break through the encirclement ... GUYS HOLD !!! Your grandfathers in Brest Fortress also did not give up !!!! HELP YOU !!!!

[Yapet100]

Quote: Stalker

I’m afraid that if they go in, they’ll cut out the entire population.

They don’t need to be afraid ... It will be so if they don’t hit the rear of the junta and break through the encirclement ... GUYS HOLD !!! Your grandfathers in Brest Fortress also did not give up !!!! HELP YOU !!!!

Your words, yes, God would .....

[Stalker]

Your words, yes, God would .....

God is not a fraer, he sees everything ... and soon everything will change, believe me ...

[Ugrumiy]

It seems to God if the light bulb allows this to happen!

[Andriuha077]

bulbs

Are you talking about the Old Testament idol, before which priests crawl?
So the name of this fraer is taught to protect only the Jews, the rest to destroy.
This is happening.

[hotspur]

Quote: Stalker

GUYS KEEP !!! Your grandfathers in Brest Fortress also did not give up !!!! HELP YOU !!!!

Just as the grandfathers in the Brest fortress helped ....



In general, I said earlier, and I repeat again: in the History of the Russian People the concept of PUTLEP is doomed to become a household word. Symbol treacherous betrayal of one's neighbor. Like JUDA or PAVLIK FROST.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Stalker

YOUR GRADNERS IN BREST STRESS ARE ALSO NOT GIVE UP !!!

And where were they at the end of the 41?

[pazuhinm]

But Lugansk and Donetsk had no time to help Slavyansk. They write letters to Russia: Save us!

[jaguar]

Or maybe it's time to announce the unmanned zone?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: jaguar

Or maybe it's time to announce the unmanned zone?

It has already been said: such a zone can be declared by the UN, there is nothing to hope for (they will block it). And for such a “no-fly zone” over Libya one should “thank” the UN and the SPECKER D. Medvedev.

[Alexander_]

No doubt they will. Obama's goal is as many atrocities as possible towards Russians, towards Russian-speakers, to the maximum. Everything is quite obvious. It was obvious before. And sadly, the majority of the population of Ukraine keeps mum, or supports the junta, and ours support - they recognized the junta that seized power, and everyone is trying to agree on something, both in the UN and in the OSCE, and God knows where. ... They will cut out all the disobedient, and deliberately with special brutality, on purpose. There is no reception against the scrap, and the militias have no other scrap, and there is nowhere to take, and no one gives. The Americans, as before, will be amazed at the "miraculous restraint" of these bandits, demonstratively expressing their goal in relation to those who disagree with them, the American junta in Ukraine.

[Oleg amos]

We have been hoping for two months now, send in troops !!!

[sds555]

The village of Lugansk: the consequences of the shelling 02.07.2014/18/XNUMX XNUMX+

[sds555]

LPR. Village-Lugansk. Air strike. Prohibited video for showing the media. 18+

[kodxnumx]

Everything is wildly wild. I still can’t believe that these atrocities do not take place on any other planet, but in Ukraine, for such a short period of time people have turned into animals. These DAMS cannot be left in power, I think they understand this in RUSSIA. according to figs, what the West thinks about it, but as a RUSSIAN person, I don’t accept these Kiev FEATURES from the SS.

[Orik]

Quote: Oleg Amos

We have been hoping for two months now, send in troops !!!

The problem is that the sooner you start full-scale assistance, the less likely the introduction of troops. For a long time it is necessary to give the militia EVERYTHING necessary for an equivalent war against dill.
In terms of military specialists, give guarantees of maintaining the average monthly income for incumbent officers with a fictitious dismissal while staying in the SE, in the case of a positive response from Strelkov, guarantee an extraordinary rank and prospects for service and there will be no end, they will still choose who to take.
It is necessary to close all the resources on Strelkova and tomorrow he will crush the whole Makhnovism, cleanse the republic of dill. Further, he is a reasonable person, Moscow will ask him to stand at the border, no, he will go to Kiev.
Only, political will is needed ...

[Oleg amos]

You're right, but everything already infuriates me, I’m happy to indulge myself, but no one will feed my family, but I envy those soldiers who are there!
Wow, God forgive the sins of New Russia, He punishes them!
Putin, in my opinion, does not help, just does not interfere

[nycsson]

Quote: Oleg Amos

having fun myself

Do not worry, soon we will all be there ........

Quote: Oleg Amos

Wow, God forgive the sins of New Russia, He punishes them!

And he pities us !? Soon we will be punished ...

[anfil]

On the territory of Russia, in close proximity to the border with Ukraine, Russian security forces are developing firing positions, including using armored vehicles, the State Border Service of Ukraine reported.
As noted in the message, such positions were seen opposite the Donetsk region, UNIAN reports 2 July 2014, 17: 22

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Yevgeny Psakov- "We do not believe that our border guards are equipping positions, perhaps their equipment is stuck and they are pulling it out or are excavating at the sites of World War II"

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Oleg Amos

gladly posholy himself, but no one will feed my family, but those soldiers who I envy there!

I understand, I also have a desire to go to the South-East, but I am useless there. For a very long time I served in the army as a signalman for the ZAS; they fired from a submachine gun twice a year, 10 rounds. With age, my eyesight became very weak recently visited the shooting range, all the bullets are in the "milk". Eh, if I had been an anti-aircraft gunner MANPADS; an ATGM operator-gunner; a tanker, an artilleryman, a specialist with a "Buk"; at least a grenade launcher or a sapper, it would be possible at least "to work as a mentor", as suggested in the notes of a Soviet officer. But where are the rest of the "Soviet officers", albeit retired? Where have the gallant veterans from the army communities like the "Union of Airborne Veterans"; "Union of Afghan Veterans" who recently shouted: "Putin , give the order! "? No, I don't "mock" - I want to hear: "we are there."

[aleksandroff]

Quote: Oleg Amos

You're right, but everything already infuriates me, I’m happy to indulge myself, but no one will feed my family, but I envy those soldiers who are there!

this is what miners and other working people think in Donetsk and Lugansk. and drink beer, while talking about help from Russia. let the ass lift.

[stapler]

- but there is a tricky plan how to merge Donbass and stay with the rating ..., give
"hard" without him, nothing will happen, partisanship in the steppe will not work, everything is visible for kilometers ..., hit with aviation and say - it's not us, it's you on your own ...

[Sandov]

Quote: stappler

- but there is a tricky plan how to merge Donbass and stay with the rating ..., give
"hard" without him, nothing will happen, partisanship in the steppe will not work, everything is visible for kilometers ..., hit with aviation and say - it's not us, it's you on your own ...

The Israelis do this. That's who you need to learn from.

[vezunchik]

That Jews do not surrender - in every sense

[Yapet100]

Quote: stappler

- but there is a tricky plan how to merge Donbass and stay with the rating ..., give
"hard" without him, nothing will happen, partisanship in the steppe will not work, everything is visible for kilometers ..., hit with aviation and say - it's not us, it's you on your own ...

Audacity second happiness!!! Beat and officially deny everything. As life shows, those who are delicate and well-mannered always receive from the rude and ill-bred !!!

[vladimirovich39]

class, read my mind :)

[yana]

I join!

[svd-xnumx]

and most importantly what to enter is at your side

Last week, a separate bomber regiment of the Southern Military District, deployed in the Rostov Region (Morozovsk), was replenished with another batch of the latest Su-34 fighter-bomber.

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The planes overtook from Novosibirsk, from the V. Chkalov Aviation Plant (the production of military vehicles was established there), experienced pilots of the unit. A non-stop flight lasted four hours.

Last year, the combat park of the Morozov regiment was updated twice. In November, three Su-34s entered service; in December, six. Three planes arriving this year helped complete the formation of the squadron, now fully equipped with the latest machines.

The multifunctional front-line fighter-bomber Su-34 in its combat capabilities belongs to the generation of 4+ aircraft. It is designed to deliver high-precision strikes against land and surface targets at any time of the day. From its predecessors, the Su-34 is distinguished by an increased flight range, the availability of modern equipment, an improved complex of protection against air defense systems and a new weapons control system.

the border is open in many places, many radars in Novorossia were destroyed, send spotters and target designators and you can be bombed even without entering the airspace of Ukraine.

[vezunchik]

and our rulers are not afraid to become accomplices of the fascist junta ????? how did they become before 2 world england france with sha ???

[Mriya]

and where is she, this will ???

[zzz]

Quote: Orik

It is necessary to close all the resources on Strelkova and tomorrow he will crush the whole Makhnovism, cleanse the republic of dill. Further, he is a reasonable person, Moscow will ask him to stand at the border, no, he will go to Kiev.
Only, political will is needed ...

This means that it is unprofitable for someone to close all resources to Strelkov.

[Orik]

Quote: zzz

This means that it is unprofitable for someone to close all resources to Strelkov.

What are we talking about! When the information first passed that Strelkov was a former FSB colonel, I thought "this is Putin's combination." And when he found out that he was Orthodox, monarchist, patriot, Strelkov understood by himself ...
BUT he is the only one who is able to restore order there, so if you need order, you need to close it.

[Horly]

I subscribe to every word! And yet - Strelkov is the only one to whom we unconditionally believe!

[Ugrumiy]

Yes, yes, yes)) And you believe that !? Already once they recruited tankers and sent around one Caucasian town to ride, and then they disowned the dead and survivors!

[Foxmara]

"The economic adviser to the Russian president believes that the United States is trying to provoke a Russian military invasion of Ukraine. ..."

Read the article "Rubles, yuan and euro against the dollar: three for one"

and here it is http://vk.com/id42537671?w=wall42537671_2084%2Fall

[Oleg amos]

Economic Advisor m .... to

[Yapet100]

Quote: Oleg Amos

Economic Advisor m .... to

I join !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mriya]

this and his like "advisers" probably have accounts, they have invented this adage for themselves so as not to do anything, but simply to betray people in the South-East.

[Matroskin 18]

Gloomy picture ...
However, I think more and more that the militias deliberately demonstrate their weakness.
Remember the Battle of the Ice 1242.
Prince Alexander Nevsky demonstratively put up an advanced militia regiment against the obviously strong enemy, and when the "pig" was tied up in battle and lost his maneuver, he introduced reserves that were many times superior to the militia (regiments of the Right and Left Hand, Ambush Regiment) into battle.
The outcome surely everyone remembers.

[vladimirovich39]

yeah, all the roads are mined and when the columns of armored vehicles rush into the cities, everything will flop at once ..

[alone]

Quote: Matroskin 18

Prince Alexander Nevsky demonstratively put up an advanced militia regiment against the obviously strong enemy, and when the "pig" was tied up in battle and lost his maneuver, he introduced reserves that were many times superior to the militia (regiments of the Right and Left Hand, Ambush Regiment) into battle.
The outcome surely everyone remembers.

))) THAT was in 1242. And now 2014. Do you think it’s so easy now to hide the shelves of the right and left hands, not to mention the ambush shelf?

[atalef]

Quote: lonely

Quote: Matroskin 18

Prince Alexander Nevsky demonstratively put up an advanced militia regiment against the obviously strong enemy, and when the "pig" was tied up in battle and lost his maneuver, he introduced reserves that were many times superior to the militia (regiments of the Right and Left Hand, Ambush Regiment) into battle.
The outcome surely everyone remembers.

))) THAT was in 1242. And now 2014. Do you think it’s so easy now to hide the shelves of the right and left hands, not to mention the ambush shelf?

Duc and winter (more precisely, you have to wait for spring) and even pull it out onto the lake

[Matroskin 18]

Quote: atalef

Quote: lonely

Quote: Matroskin 18

Prince Alexander Nevsky demonstratively put up an advanced militia regiment against the obviously strong enemy, and when the "pig" was tied up in battle and lost his maneuver, he introduced reserves that were many times superior to the militia (regiments of the Right and Left Hand, Ambush Regiment) into battle.
The outcome surely everyone remembers.

))) THAT was in 1242. And now 2014. Do you think it’s so easy now to hide the shelves of the right and left hands, not to mention the ambush shelf?

Duc and winter (more precisely, you have to wait for spring) and even pull it out onto the lake

Well then, remember the operation "Bagration" for the liberation of Belarus in 1944. They managed to hide the whole front !!!! And the fascists believed in this deception until the last minute!
Yes, similar examples in military history - the sea!
Okay, why talk idly, time will judge us! We wait!

[captain dvv]

You tell this to the man who bit by bit trying to collect his mother from his fathers in the garden today. It's time to open your eyes and admit to yourself that there is no cunning plan. There is an obvious drain to all with attempts to save face or rating.

[70BSN]

And what is it that you immediately minus the person not to say what needs to be done since in 1242 but to have a good plan for the strike cycle of the attack, since the longer they just shoot back, the more they will be bombed !!!!! BEST PROTECTION IS AN ATTACK !!!!!!

P / S to me anyway minus further !!! I told my opinion !!!! I DO NOT need a rating for me ....

[stapler]

b ... t, now on the news, "the Kiev junta is bombing its own population",
and a month ago, 90% yelled at a referendum for Russia, for disconnection, and now they have turned over their "own population", everything is clear with our government, Medvedev in the 8th was more decisive, gov ... dava ..., Ossetians mean they beat us with hail, they got in, and then they beat our people, they beat us ... everyone is talking, I won't forgive ...

[alone]

Quote: stappler

In the 8th, Medvedev was more decisive, gov ... dava ...., Ossetians mean they beat them with hail, they got in, and here they beat us with nichrome ... everyone talks, I won’t forgive ...

The situation there was different. The Ossetians were given passports of the Russian Federation in advance, and the Georgians had the imprudence to bomb the MS of Russia. Yes, Saakashvili didn’t hide that Georgia was going to NATO. In vain you confuse one another. Yes, there were no sanctions. Politics, especially international affairs subtle. We are simple this is not a force.

[RONIN-HS]

Already got their subtle plan Putin's excuses. Two months otmazyvatsya Pu - he will still help ... but later! Well, where is the plan in action ??? When they kill ours ... - you have to put out the bender!

[captain dvv]

There is no international business or law as you describe here. It was and will be only the right of the strong. Everything else is husk to justify the right of the strong. Russia has a force of 2-3 in the world in the world and allows you to kill Russians in Ukraine. They wiped themselves out even after shelling and wounding their border guard. I still wonder what the Swiss said to our president, after which we all saw the change in the actions of our leadership.

[70BSN]

Yes, troops were quickly led there, since the PEACEKEEPERS bomb our zeros, and this is a VERY severe violation .... the lonely agree with you !!! And do not look at the minus so people have nothing to do !!!! I don’t want to think globally; I myself can’t think globally in many matters globally .... !!!!

[alone]

Quote: 70BSN

Yes, troops were quickly led there, since the PEACEKEEPERS bomb our zeros, and this is a VERY severe violation .... the lonely agree with you !!! And do not look at the minus so people have nothing to do !!!! I don’t want to think globally; I myself can’t think globally in many matters globally .... !!!!

Yes, I don’t pay attention to minus. Minus less, minus more, no difference. I’ll even be glad if they put me a minus and at the same time write what I was wrong about.

[70BSN]

ALSO LIKE WHEN INDICATE ERRORS ......

[vezunchik]

so he doesn’t when - he arranges his photo exhibition. Everyone demands his resignation, but no ... as with Serdyukov ...

[Stalker]

We have been hoping for two months now, send in troops !!!

The entire Kursk region is stuffed with troops to the eyeballs at the border ....

[avia1991]

Quote: Stalker

The entire Kursk region is stuffed with troops to the eyeballs at the border ....

Well? .. What's the point? They pulled 65 thousand, drove it, drove it, they spent a lot of money for it - "they were working out the peacekeeping operation," Bl..in. It would be better if these ammunition, put into the white light, went to Novorossiya!

[Associate Professor]

Quote: avia1991

Well? .. What's the point? They pulled 65 thousand, drove it, drove it, they spent a lot of money for it - "they were working out the peacekeeping operation," Bl..in. It would be better if these ammunition, put into the white light, went to Novorossiya!

And what about Ukraine and this check? Such sudden inspections took place all last year without any Ukraine, and it has long been said that such inspections will continue this year. What now does not train the army, if we are not going to get involved in the war in Ukraine?

[avia1991]

Quote: Docent

And what about Ukraine and this check?

Quote: Stalker

We have been hoping for two months now, send in troops !!!

The entire Kursk region is stuffed with troops to the eyeballs at the border ....

The point is clear, Associate Professor? I responded to a specific statement.

[vladimirZ]

The enemy slowly but surely squeezes the ring of the environment. ...
The resilience of our infantry cannot stop the armada of armored vehicles in conditions where for every three of our soldiers there is one enemy armored unit. (from article)

Here it is the result of the absence of unspoken military material assistance to Russia. There are no forces and resources to restrain the militias of the regrouped Bandera.
The chance of timely secret assistance from Russia, in the period before the election of President Poroshenko, was missed.
Hope for "Putin's tacit and secret plan" to save the situation in Novorossiya is melting before our eyes, and with it the plan to keep Ukraine in Russia's orbit and the prestige of Russia itself.
Unfortunately.

[Samsebenaum]

vladimirZ

Quote: vladimirZ

Hope for "Putin's tacit and secret plan" to save the situation in Novorossiya is melting before our eyes, and with it the plan to keep Ukraine in Russia's orbit and the prestige of Russia itself.

The prestige of Russia? Putin is not Peter I and Catherine the Great ...
The wrong level and the wrong way of thinking about Russia.
Putin's plans? I hear it for the first time. They never were and never will be.
I am deeply disappointed with the position of the Kremlin, which I cannot name otherwise than cowardice and betrayal.
Here you have the prestige of Russia ...
I want to be proud of my homeland. While there is no reason ...

[Mriya]

Betrayal and cowardice is their position, dear Gorbachev and Yeltsin are coming, what ratings ....

[70BSN]

Yes, I told you that he was DRUMED for us, but here in general people are on the left side !!!! RATING done! HE SAID WE WILL ALWAYS STRENGTHEN THE RIGHTS OF THE RUSSIAN HUMAN WHERE HE WASN’T BEEN AND THAT IS NOT SEEN !!!! because they could have given a couple of tanks when the border was behind the militia !!! AND IF AND WHO SOMETHING IN THE WORLD BEGAN TO SAY THAT SOMETHING ABOUT GDP GOVERNMENT OF NEW RUSSIA SO WE ALSO HAVE INCLUDED OUR DOGS AND EVERYTHING !!!!! (Merry-go-rounds))))) THESE DUCKS MAY BREAK THE TERRITORY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ENTERING US ON TANKS TO US AND WE WILL LOOK ALL !!!!
P \ S I'm not chasing the rating expressed my point ....

[starshina wmf]

I said earlier that Putin will merge the South-East. Of course I would like for me to be mistaken, but my suspicions are increasing.

[Lord of the Sith]

The militia managed to capture two tanks and one armored personnel carrier during the battle in the Krasnodonsky district of the Luhansk region of Ukraine, Interfax reports.

“In the Lugansk People’s Republic in the village of Porechye in the Krasnodonsky district, the militias are opposed by heavy military equipment of punitive troops,” the report said.

There is no information about losses yet, the battle continues.

Source: http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/07/02/n_6277949.shtml

[70BSN]

if so, then URAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and just HUMAN PUPPIES !!!!

[70BSN]

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT FOR THE ENEMY ME MINUS DELIVERED WHO HERE ARE NOT HAPPY TO COUPONS AND THAT THEY HAVE TANKS ?????? and?

[v245721]

how??????

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Slavyansk will not be taken unequivocally .. (even if they are completely destroyed ..) Let them try.
And this is the junta and encourages. Alas

Today I watched the news on the first channel .. The presenters stopped calling "huta" "punitive operations" were replaced by the word "special operation of the Ukrainian troops" Not nice! Painfully!

I, too, like a knife to the heart .. I’ll not write anything lost (it’s not yet evening and there is very little information, alas ..) ..

[nycsson]

Quote: MIKHAN

Slavyansk will not be taken unequivocally .. (even if they are completely destroyed ..) Let them try.

And why is that? And they don’t try, do you think ?!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: nycsson

Quote: MIKHAN

Slavyansk will not be taken unequivocally .. (even if they are completely destroyed ..) Let them try.

And why is that? And they don’t try, do you think ?!

They’re already trying out all types of weapons .. (gradually checking the reaction) .. The order of the State Department is clearly followed ..! We would have to act like that too .. (accidentally the rocket flew to Karachun .. etc.) Or the Su-30 pair got lost when exercises and not there bombed .. (apologize) Russia is not Israel ..))) Will have to make excuses ... (and the result will be effective) ..

[yana]

Quote: nycsson

Quote: IAlex

And the GDP is snot chewing with its peaceful settlement ...

Evil is not enough! Just played along to Kiev! He during this time regrouped the troops! I watched the news, they don’t even hide it .....

the wrong word, silence is simply amazing

[alone]

Quote: MIKHAN

Slavyansk will not be taken unequivocally .. (even if they are completely destroyed ..) Let them try.

Justify what was said, why not revolt? Or is it a cry of the soul?
If Slavyansk is completely blocked, sooner or later the besieged will remain without ammunition.

[biznaw]

Well, they will equalize and take Sloviansk ... then what? They will put the Gauleiter and the policemen in the only surviving building ... Then what? The population has no work and the population does not, who will survive will go to the partisans and saboteurs. The junta will restore something? The remaining Gauleiter and policemen will be shot and blown up as soon as they emerge from the base, they will not be able to control the terrain. Option of Americans in Afghanistan, sitting at bases and sometimes leaving nearby to shoot at the "white light"
For unitary Ukraine, after this ATO, everything is over, the territory that they are now antiterrotizing has actually become the land "beyond the river."

[avia1991]

Quote: biznaw

The junta will restore something?

Dear, the junta does not need to restore anything. The Slavinsk region is needed by amers to organize the production of shale gas, which is located right under the city. And the population there is NOT NEEDED, ideally, all under the knife ..

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: biznaw

Well, they will level and take Slovyansk ... then what? Gauleiter and policemen will be seated in the only surviving building ... Then what? The population has no work and no population, who will survive will go to the partisans and saboteurs. Will the junta recover something? Remaining gauleiter and policemen

So what kind of khrena Strelkov has been "fighting" for Slavensk for 2 months? Let's look at the map (not playing and not fortune-telling) - which areas will be "cut off" from each other; which supply routes will be cut?

[vladimirovich39]

Rather, it will snow in the summer ..

[nycsson]

Quote: fox21h

Sucks if it's true

True, unfortunately! If you do not help, then all of them have a khan!

[1812 1945]

Quote: fox21h

Sucks, if that's true, I hope the situation will change for the better for the militias.

I hope too. Whose fault? There were no doubters about the resumption of the junta of the punitive action!

[Codename49]

Hope must be reinforced with small arms !!!

[nycsson]

Igor Strelkov: Nikolaevka is surrounded, there is a hard fight, we are in the boiler

Igor Strelkov: Nikolaevka is surrounded, there is a hard fight, we are in the cauldron | Russian spring
Igor Strelkov, 2.07.2014 Synopsis.

10: 47: 51 (Moscow time)
The shelling of Slavyansk continued all night. Many civilian casualties and destruction. The same thing happens in Kramatorsk. The militia was not affected by shelling. In the morning, artillery raids periodically occur in our positions and in the city. Emergencies Ministry brigades and militias dismantled destroyed houses in different areas. The search for corpses. By numbers I will inform you when they will be accurately calculated. While it is precisely known about the death of one family of three people.

13:10:25
I did not confirm Su-24 over Semenovka. Yesterday I was informed that there was a launch, but there was a miss. Today, the aircraft heard very high and did not open fire.

Fierce fighting continues at the border. Ukrainians are doing their best to cut the last corridor in the Luhansk region.

Our enemy (in Slavyansk) is direct fire at the city.

13:21:06
Yes, by the way, the loss of the militia in Slavyansk-Kramatorsk-Semenovka-Nikolaevka amounted to 2 people injured yesterday, according to updated data. How many civilians died and injured (especially during the night - we are still specifying). Another terrorist bombardment of the residential areas of the village has just ended. Artyom.

16:10

We have a hard battle near Nikolaevka. The enemy with a mass of tanks and other equipment pushed our infantry into the village itself and is trying to "squeeze". At the same time, he is trying to cut off Nikolaevka from Semenovka along the "Canal" highway. Enemy artillery works continuously. Fire is also underway on Slavyansk. A civilian bus was shot in the area of ​​the bridge across Kazeny Torets. 2 people killed, 3 - injured. They shoot everything that tries to enter or leave the city.

17:10

At the moment, Nikolaevka is surrounded, the battle is between her and Semenovka. The enemy slowly but surely squeezes the ring of the environment. Artillery, "Grad", "Hurricanes" work on positions and residential quarters. The stamina of our infantry cannot stop the armada of armor in conditions where for every three of our fighters there are 1 enemy armor.

17: 11 (Moscow time)
2 fighter killed in battle. Three wounded. The enemy tank was shot down (unfortunately, he was dragged to the rear).

This is a long awaited boiler.

[573385]

Shame on Putin !!!

[nikolaev]

Bombings Force Sloviansk Residents to Flee: Russian Roulette (Di
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8S2AcR-oaA#t=26

[alekc73]

The city will not last long without water. Very bad news.

[portoc65]

Dill collected everything that is possible to finish, but they will run out of breath .. for a long time they will not be able to actively fight .. you just need to hold out and there will appear gaps that can be pierced

[Vitaly Anisimov]

There Strelkov with the militia ..! Usually shy and silent about plans ...

[nycsson]

Quote: MIKHAN

Usually shy and silent about plans ...

What plans can be in his position ?! One plan, hold out as long as possible ....

[Orik]

Strelkov's words on available resources:
Here I read another "great tactician" at the El-Murid forum (the last one was a "great strategist"). This one, with the nickname "staff captain", teaches me to fight with the use of artillery in field battles.
Ask the great tactician to give me a little shells ... so that at least it would be possible to fire a couple of dozen per barrel a day without saving a reserve to repel a likely attack. So that at least one of the 20 shots of the enemy (and not 60-70, as now) could respond. In general, I have a vacant position as commander of a mortar platoon. Offer to arrive and accept. If he manages to get through ... Today, not a single vehicle could arrive in the city without being fired upon.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: nycsson

Quote: MIKHAN

Usually shy and silent about plans ...

What plans can be in his position ?! One plan, hold out as long as possible ....

The sabotage groups are not acting badly with him .. (with the current mess they can even reach Kiev ..) Just do it while it’s not worth it .. (this is a junta on hand ..) Stand to death! .. knock out manpower armored vehicles ( as near Moscow! from x \ f Zhukov said ..) So I think ..

[kodxnumx]

I agree with you, alas, there are a lot of things that keep GDP from hasty actions, of course it’s easy to argue sitting at home there people are dying, but alas, you can win the battle but lose the war, we can’t afford it! This only reassures me that I understand that our leadership understands this. It means that military minds are developing plans, analysts have taken into account all the risks and the time for the move is determined.

[captain dvv]

Quote: kod3001

I agree with you, alas, there are a lot of things that keep GDP from hasty actions, of course it’s easy to argue sitting at home there people are dying, but alas, you can win the battle but lose the war, we can’t afford it! This only reassures me that I understand that our leadership understands this. It means that military minds are developing plans, analysts have taken into account all the risks and the time for the move is determined.

We have already heard this for 2 months. During these two months, he has completely changed his attitude towards Medvedev. This "pro-Western" for some reason did not wait 2 months and sent troops almost immediately. All popi..li 3 months, scared sanctions and forgotten.
But the strategist and patriot Putin has been building his brilliant plan for two months now.

[alone]

Shooters what, Lord God? what plans can there be if the city is completely surrounded. The only plan there can be a breakthrough with leaving. There is no other option. Moreover, the faster, the better, as long as you have enough strength and resources in your hands. Time and everything else are sold. Ammunition on trees does not grow. They can hold out for a week or two, but this will not solve anything.

[biznaw]

A plus. "The only plan there may be a breakthrough with leaving. There is no other option. Moreover, the sooner, the better, as long as there are enough forces and means in our hands."

Moreover, the maximum possible has already been done and the tasks have been completed, this is not Stalingrad, but they have already completed the task of the Brest Fortress. Militias in other regions are armed and trained, you can retreat.

[typhoon7]

Slavyansk cannot be commissioned, it is the largest strategic railway junction to which the industry of the Southeast is attached, as well as the very powerful enterprises of the military-industrial complex near Kramatorsk, therefore they are holding it. Yes, and the name is symbolic.

[kartalovkolya]

It is not easy for the guys in Slavyansk, they are dying but do not give up, and what is it time for Russia to declare a no-fly zone in the sky of New Russia (our air defense is within reach)!

[Sandov]

Quote: kartalovkolya

It is not easy for the guys in Slavyansk, they are dying but do not give up, and what is it time for Russia to declare a no-fly zone in the sky of New Russia (our air defense is within reach)!

S-300, S-400, and there is aviation. Punishers just need to be punished, otherwise these Gestapo men will be at our doorstep.

[IAlex]

And the GDP is snot chewing with its peaceful settlement ...

[stapler]

tricky plan: merge and stay rated ...

[nycsson]

Quote: IAlex

And the GDP is snot chewing with its peaceful settlement ...

Evil is not enough! Just played along to Kiev! He during this time regrouped the troops! I watched the news, they don’t even hide it .....

[vezunchik]

talked with refugees - there are many communists fighting - that’s the answer!

[Nick]

It remains only to hold on. Ukrainians will not spare any of the locals, it has already been proven.
God help them!

[Giant thought]

Well, what can I say? Respect the militia fighters! But their stamina and heroism are not enough to withstand the armored armada of the Ukrainian army. Dear President of the Russian Federation, you promised to help the Russians in Ukraine, so keep the promise, otherwise everyone will start to think, looking at you, that the Russians are abandoning theirs in the war.

[Associate Professor]

Quote: Thought Giant

Dear President of the Russian Federation, you promised to help the Russians in Ukraine, so keep the promise, otherwise everyone will start to think, looking at you, that the Russians are leaving their people in the war.

Nobody promised military assistance, no need to invent.

[snifer]

let them try to shoot, I’ll look at them, a Russian soldier (GDP) will stand behind each person, something like this he said

[Orik]

No comments....

[Associate Professor]

"Will stand behind" - this is about the events in Crimea. So, in fact, it was. Our troops stood behind the people's militia. As for the South-East: "We reserve the right to use all the means at our disposal" means "will we bring in troops"? Where are these promises? He considers it necessary to enter. Will not count, will not enter. This is his right. He is the president of Russia, not Ukraine or Novorossia, and must think about Russia's interests first of all.

[Orik]

Quote: Docent

Quote: Orik

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Tongue tongue is all great, but to do ....

[Mriya]

and in Crimea some special people live, how do they differ from the population of the Southeast? And Crimea was in Ukraine, but they did it ... and in our interests to see about the Donbass?

[leon7591]

Associate professor, already small children understand that in Noavorossiya there is a war AGAINST RUSSIA !!! And if you still do not understand this, then either your head is not in order, or you are a "cat-bayun" from the camp of "kabychegon left"! And now in Novrossia, Russian troops stand, to the great shame, precisely behind the backs of women and children! ... beyond the border line, on Russian territory! And he promised to "protect the Russian population even outside Russia", incl. on the territory of Ukraine! So how is his "protection" expressed? In accepting refugees? So this is not protection, this is assistance that is provided to refugees in any decent state! But if we do not help the fighters of the anti-fascist resistance now in Novorossiya, the fascists, having destroyed Novorossia, under the leadership of the amerikosov, will then attack Russia! And the first will be Crimea! So it is better now to defeat the Ukrop army on the territory of Novorossiya than to fight it off later on Russian territory near Moscow, or in the Crimea! This is the interests of Russia !!! Is it really beyond your understanding? The brains must at least sometimes be turned on, and not indulge themselves with "Putin's ingenious and secret plan"!

[Associate Professor]

Quote: leon7591

Associate Professor, already small children understand that in NoAvorossiya there is a war against RUSSIA !!!

In New Russia, there is a war against New Russia.

Quote: leon7591

And if you still do not understand this, then either your head is not in order, or you are a "cat-bayun" from the camp of "kabychegon left"!

Let's not insult each other. if we want to normally exchange opinions here.

Quote: leon7591

And now in Novrossia, Russian troops are, to the great shame, precisely behind the backs of women and children!

I won’t be surprised if you blame Russia for these victims.

Quote: leon7591

And he promised "to protect the Russian population even outside Russia", incl. on the territory of Ukraine!

I remember what he promised. I will quote from his address of March 18: “Millions of Russian people, Russian-speaking citizens live and will live in Ukraine, and Russia will always protect their interests by political, diplomatic, legal means. However, first of all, Ukraine itself should be interested in ensuring that the rights and the interests of these people were guaranteed. This is the guarantee of the stability of the Ukrainian statehood and the territorial integrity of the country. "
He keeps his promises.

Quote: leon7591

But if we do not help the anti-fascist resistance fighters now in New Russia, the Nazis, having destroyed Novorossia, will then attack Russia under the leadership of the Americans too! And the first will be Crimea!

What kind of attack on Russia are you talking about? Forwards will be destroyed at the first attempt to attack and those who want to attack will no longer be.

Quote: leon7591

The brains must at least sometimes be turned on, and not indulge themselves with "Putin's ingenious and secret plan"!

Yes, you’re right, you need to keep your brains turned on, and not be led to American wiring and follow the path in which they want to lead us.
I didn’t talk about any ingenious plan; I don’t need to ascribe to me. The purpose of this armed coup is to draw Russia into the war. Nicholas 2 sent troops to defend Serbia. As a result, Russia did not die and millions of victims in the First World War and the Civil War. Perhaps the Second World War could have been avoided with tens of millions more victims. A politician should not be guided by emotions. I am not saying that we should not help those who gravitate towards us. But whether or not to send troops is up to Putin. If she considers it necessary, then I will be only glad.

[biznaw]

In the year 39, even small children understood that war was inevitable, the task was to delay its beginning. If Stalin swung his saber and started a war at 40m? Hitler planned to start in May 41st, as a result of the efforts of the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Stalin, Hitler could not decide to start a war, as a result, the deadline was postponed to June 22.
Now imagine how events would develop if the Nazis attacked the USSR on May 1 ... General Moroz in August near Moscow would not be able to help us and we would not be able to transfer industry beyond the Urals.
Time is the main resource.
Russia has this resource, but the Ukrogosudarstva does not have it, so there is no reason for Putin to fuss, ukrov already has nothing to refuel, the last drops of technological oil are being burned up.

[Evgeniy1]

Dear, learn history. Until March-April 1941 the Germans waged an "air" war with England, so they simply could not attack the USSR in May ....

[Irokez]

Quote: leon7591

then led by the Americans to attack Russia! And the first will be Crimea!

Do not put pressure on the psyche, as many here have made our Crimea forever, and no one will go into Russia, much less NATO or the Ukropovsky ATO, which, with its last gasp, decided to take revenge.
Even if Slavyansk is surrounded, then they will not take 1-2 weeks and the inhabitants will not die of hunger, and during this time much can be decided, especially the fighting in the city itself - this is not in the field in the trenches.
So everyone has their nerves to the limit, and some still rekindle the negative with nagging and panic. There is still time for a change in the situation and let’s keep our fists for the militias and New Russia.

[Evgeniy1]

No need to play the fool, NOVOROSSIYA is a close approach (front) to the Crimea (Little Russia) and a distant (underbelly) to BIG Russia. "We handed over" NOVOROSSIYA, Crimea is next in turn, then "six" and "lean", then we will establish "friendly and fraternal" relations with BANDEROVSKOUKROPIA! Next, Bandera will destroy Transnistria, followed by a "new Maidan" in Belarus, South Ossetia, Abkhazia .... problems with Kaliningrad ... problems with the transportation and sale of gas and oil ...

[Andriuha077]

Posted: July 2 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOusm0QgVf4#t=139
http://lifenews.ru/news/135949

Igor Strelkov, Commander-in-Chief of the Donbass militia, said that after the Ukrainian army blew up the water conduit, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are in a state of humanitarian catastrophe. In the cities there were no sources of water supply other than wells.

- On July 2, we suffered serious losses. The enemy continues to fulfill the task assigned to him, - said Strelkov. - The enemy attacked Nikolaevka with the support of a huge amount of artillery, shells and tanks. The attacks were carried out both on the militia and on residential areas, as well as on the water conduit.

According to the Commander-in-Chief of the DPR, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, provided from the destroyed conduit, were left without water. Cities no longer have an external supply source, with the exception of wells.

“This is a humanitarian catastrophe,” Strelkov emphasized. - Apparently, in the framework of the fight against terrorism. Then we were attacked at Semenovka, there was a hard fight. We were bombarded with a hail of shells. There are dead, wounded. Losses of more than ten people. The militias managed to knock out the tank. I think that in the coming days the fighting in this area will continue.

Strelkov noted that a civilian bus at Cherevkovka was subjected to shelling. He also stressed that the militia continue to fight in full encirclement.

“There is no place to wait for help.” We really understand that Russia is behind us, ”said the head of the Donbass militia. - If we lose, it will not be a defeat of a handful of militias, but of the Russian people. The enemy uses powerful new artillery mounts against, but we will fight to the end.

[bubla5]

So the men of the southeast came to sit out with us, asking why they did not defend their house, like they didn’t let them go back

[yana]

but it’s definitely noticed, otherwise the men drink theirs here, they take off stress and go with their wives .. and our guys go there .. the divine army of New Russia probably exceeds the militias.

[Mriya]

quite right, and then silence ...

[Vasek]

Quote: Docent

Nobody promised military assistance, no need to invent.

Not certainly in that way.
The President expressed the hope that the armed forces would not be needed.
But that was during the "ceasefire".

[Associate Professor]

Quote: Vasek

Not certainly in that way.
The President expressed the hope that the armed forces would not be needed.
But that was during the "ceasefire".

That is yes. But this is not a promise to send troops.

[nycsson]

Quote: Docent

That is yes. But this is not a promise to send troops.

Oh! ...... Still not tired of yelling ?!

[Associate Professor]

Quote: nycsson

Oh! ...... Still not tired of yelling ?!

If an objective assessment is a lull, then no, not tired.

[nycsson]

Quote: Docent

If an objective assessment is a lull, then no, not tired.

I have been on the forum since July 2011! His opinion on Pu and Company has never changed. I recall how I was minus in the 2011 year for my opinion! I want to ask a question to all HIS supporters: what have your adored idols achieved over all these years ???? Russian went to Russian war !!! This is an achievement !!!

[Associate Professor]

Quote: nycsson

I want to ask a question to all HIS supporters: what have your adored idols achieved over all these years ???? Russian went to Russian war !!! This is an achievement !!!

What have you achieved? Putin did not allow the country to disintegrate, eliminated the PSA, raised the standard of living of the population, strengthened the armed forces, Putin returned Crimea to Russia.
Where did Russian go to Russian? In Russia? If you are about Ukraine? What, is Russia to blame for this?

[nycsson]

Quote: Docent

Putin did not let the country fall apart

What year?

Quote: Docent

eliminated PSA

What is PSA?

Quote: Docent

raised living standards

Do not write nonsense! In Russia, the social gap between the poorest and the richest!

Quote: Docent

strengthens the armed forces

That's just about the sun I do not need to talk. Let them first return to 2 years of service, the mobilization component, and then talk about the power of our aircraft!

Quote: Docent

Putin returned Crimea to Russia.

A substitute of pure water! When they get rid of the DPR and LPR, they will immediately rush to the Crimea. Now, if we had sent troops to the east of Ukraine after Crimea, then another thing.

Quote: Docent

Where did Russian go to Russian?

In Ukraine! Or do you think in Ukraine not Russian live?

Quote: Docent

In Russia?

Soon Russian from Ukraine will go to Russian in Russia! Or vice versa!

Quote: Docent

What, is Russia to blame for this?

Our power is to blame! Or do you want to give a lecture on what is foreign policy and what tasks should our Foreign Ministry solve?

[Associate Professor]

Quote: nycsson

What year?

In the late 90s.

Quote: nycsson

What is PSA?

PSA - production sharing agreements, according to which the Russian fields did not belong to Russia.

Quote: nycsson

Do not write nonsense! In Russia, the social gap between the poorest and the richest!

I do not write nonsense. It is enough to look at the number of cars in the population to understand that the standard of living has grown significantly. In the 90s they did not pay salaries and pensions at all.

Quote: nycsson

That's just about the sun I do not need to talk. Let them first return to 2 years of service, the mobilization component, and then talk about the power of our aircraft!

Why should they return 2 years? Where did the mobilization component go? The same operation in Crimea shows how the level of the Russian army has grown.

Quote: nycsson

A substitute of pure water! When they get rid of the DPR and LPR, they will immediately rush to the Crimea. Now, if we had sent troops to the east of Ukraine after Crimea, then another thing.

What kind of setup? What is the setup? The fact that the Russian army did not allow the Americans to capture Crimea? And where does the Southeast? Our troops stood in the Crimea. Do you understand the difference between the Crimea and the Southeast?

Quote: nycsson

In Ukraine! Or do you think in Ukraine not Russian live?

Quote: nycsson

Soon Russian from Ukraine will go to Russian in Russia! Or vice versa!

Quote: nycsson

Our power is to blame! Or do you want to give a lecture on what is foreign policy and what tasks should our Foreign Ministry solve?

Who are you to lecture me? The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not Santa Claus. If Ukraine has been under American occupation for 23 years, which has now only intensified, it is not the current Russian government that is to blame. AT
those who ruined the USSR are to blame

[Irokez]

Quote: nycsson

Russian went to Russian war !!! This is an achievement!

You want to say that your unloved Putin is to blame? And your opinion about Obama has probably changed for the better for the same time?
All anti-Putiners-give a worthy president.

[alone]

Quote: Docent

If an objective assessment is a lull, then no, not tired.

An objective assessment here does not interest anyone)))

[Associate Professor]

Quote: lonely

An objective assessment here does not interest anyone)))

It’s not sad, but you’re right (

[311066]

Associate Professor did not go sit still

[Associate Professor]

Quote: 311066

Associate Professor did not go sit still

Do not tell me what to do, found a wise guy

[biznaw]

The dominance of the trolls, it seems the State Department sent a money.

[woron333444]

He promised back in March, but not military assistance, but to send troops if genocide of the population begins. And he has been going for two months

[Associate Professor]

Quote: woron333444

He promised back in March, but not military assistance, but to send troops if genocide of the population begins. And he has been going for two months

Nobody promised to "send troops if genocide starts" Give a quote if you can.

[Mriya]

well, why did he say something about self-defense in front of the diplomats, and even earlier he hinted and unequivocally that "they say we will stand behind the zhans and see how they will shoot ...", and that if we see that weapons of mass defeats are used, we will intervene "... and we will help ... where is this help ???

[Associate Professor]

Quote: Mriya

"They say we will stand behind the zhans and see how they shoot ..."

It was during the Crimean events. So in the end it happened.

[vvvvv]

The Russians were abandoned in their own country when they gained freedom — to die as a homeless person in a landfill; hang yourself, being unable to feed the family, as year did not pay salaries; to die at the hands of bandits or to be deceived by fraudsters for all your savings - all this was and much remains. Why are scammers still throwing people with mortgages and hello ?! Pochkmu law allows the JSC to have a meager charter capital and not to bear liability to the owner as a physical person. his face with property and savings ?! Everywhere it is sharpened so that to remove all skins from the Russian inhabitant. Under the guise of now the rod is raising fees for everything and everyone. Now, for example, there will be a fee for purchases over the Internet over 150 euros ...
There is no need to be mistaken that the sovereignty, power and authority of Russia are being recruited for some, I apologize, "Russian frayers" ... By no means, the international establishment is gaining power, running a business called RUSSIA. All the graters in the world are inter-elite, oligarchic, clan (corporate). And the people are manipulated in these graters.
That's when everything is put in place, then what is happening is easier to understand.
Well, there are no idealists in the world, and if there are, then they are poor dreamers.

[Yapet100]

Quote: vvvvv

The Russians were abandoned in their own country when they gained freedom — to die as a homeless person in a landfill; hang yourself, being unable to feed the family, as year did not pay salaries; to die at the hands of bandits or to be deceived by fraudsters for all your savings - all this was and much remains.

You uttered bitter words and offensive to the Russians .... But the way it is !!!!! We grabbed for imaginary freedom, for chewing gum, for the fact that many candidates in the voting leaflet are democracy !! For the opportunity to watch Vidic in the cellars and admire ... And what do we have?!? What you described !!!!! The interests of a handful of friends are higher than the interests of state security (((((

[vvvvv]

This is more the rule than the exception. Isn't that so everywhere in society ?! Their interests are above public interests. And the personal, self-interested ones prevail over the friendly ones. Everything is sold by everyone, the only question is the price ... This is where theft, and nepotism, and corruption, etc. come from. As an example - recently there was a topic about looting with humanitarian aid to refugees. Even on this one, someone does not mind to warm their hands. But what if the rates are in the billions ?! Therefore, the US personal sanctions are by no means stupid. the "friends" pressed by the sanctions will influence the opinion ... Do you think they did not?! ...

[Vasek]

Quote: vvvvv

Now, for example, there will be a fee for purchases over the Internet over 150 euros ...

This, in my opinion, is just like fighting fraudsters.

[vvvvv]

I will say without exaggeration. You see, in my city in general any product sold in stores has a markup of 50 to 200-300%, even not import!
Those who have a lot of dough - they will buy at any price, but an ordinary person has to overpay for food, as it was said before - speculators. And taxes, of course. Businessmen could only import in batches and were subject to the duty, and now ordinary citizens will lose their way to save money. So that you know, earlier it was possible to buy real "branded" things through the Internet, even in Italy, etc., and at the price of any rags in our stores. You could buy an expensive, but very high quality item. All expensive things last a long time. And now even second-hand parties over 150 euros will take more than 30% of the duty out of people's pockets.

[Yapet100]

Quote: Giant thought

Well, what can I say? Respect the militia fighters! But their stamina and heroism are not enough to withstand the armored armada of the Ukrainian army. Dear President of the Russian Federation, you promised to help the Russians in Ukraine, so keep the promise, otherwise everyone will start to think, looking at you, that the Russians are abandoning theirs in the war.

Already started to think so ((((

[Anchonsha]

Giant, do not invent something that has never been in Putin’s speech. He did not promise military assistance, it’s not Crimea, where about one hundred percent of the population supported joining Russia. Another thing is with New Russia. Want to get stuck there like in Afghanistan? And then you yourself will conquer Putin’s actions and you will curse him. Want to help, come to the militias, but do not provoke.

[Mriya]

help brother is provocation. and who will help you, life is striped, everything can turn around, but for now we are betraying everyone, ours, ourselves, Yugoslavia ... We won’t help now, there will be an Amer’s base on the border, what if you sing ...?

[Associate Professor]

Quote: Mriya

help brother is provocation. and who will help you, life is striped, everything can turn around, but for now we are betraying everyone, ours, ourselves, Yugoslavia ... We won’t help now, there will be an Amer’s base on the border, what if you sing ...?

What the hell is Yugoslavia? Remember, no Yugoslavia will ever help us. In this world one cannot be weak. We owe nothing to anyone. Enough of this Pan-Slavism. They liberated Bulgaria from the Ottoman occupation, and it fought against us in two world wars. Thanked so to speak.

[Evgeniy1]

I will say without offense, only a "bipedal man" can compare Afghanistan and NOVOROSSIA, these are ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, EVERYTHING, except AKM ...

[Leshka]

they captured the equipment storage base so why they don’t use it

[Cat]

There is one trash and scrap.

[donavi49]

Not. The base is still under Zhovto-Blakitny. There were two attempts, one very weak with a pair of VOGs and an RPG at the gate, the second with the Tank, but it also failed. Yes, and at the base, there are not very many really fast chassis. Basically, everything was exported back in May, which is alive.

[Orik]

Quote: Leshka

they captured the equipment storage base so why they don’t use it

Which one?

[alone]

Quote: Leshka

they captured the equipment storage base so why they don’t use it

Gubarev’s fables were heard) 250 tanks. no, 2500. Gubarev, the former grandfather Frost. He’s a leader, he’s like a ballerina to me.
The DPR turned out to be a myth, moreover, very deplorable. Comparing the LPR and the DPR, the difference between heaven and earth.

[Evgeniy1]

They just took it, or maybe they gave it away - with METAL!

[alone]

the base is under control of the Ukrainian paratroopers and military special forces of the 3rd brigade. Nobody took anything there. Gubarev is just a talker

[Citizen of the world]

God is at the top — Russia on earth !!! God forbid everyone who opposes the ungodliness of those who bring death and destruction

[pg4]

The situation is generally bad.
ukroarmiya silent Dagger achieves his goal, it is clear that the troops to enter into two areas is detrimental to the Russian Federation. But why the militia does not have military assistance is impossible to explain.

[Valexav]

Military help is now indispensable - time is lost (see Strelkova). Only direct intervention can help. And he, apparently, will not be.
I wonder how the GDP will justify itself for the drain and who will believe it in the future?

[Semurik]

let it slip from the answer to patriotic speeches about the excellent readiness of the troops of the war ... or the celebration of the anniversary of the liberation of Belarus in the Second World War ... or whatever.

or keep silent, squinting his left eye))

we don’t know his plans))

[Russ69]

Quote: ValexAV

I wonder how the GDP will justify itself for the drain and who will believe it in the future?

He will not say a word. But all our media and all kinds of Kremlin analysts will bring a bunch of arguments. Yes, now, in every way, they are singing that this is an internal affair of Ukraine.

[Horly]

Right! There already Leontiev began to sing that troops should not be entered - and this always keeps his nose in the wind, although sometimes on the brink

[elmir15]

Quote: ValexAV

I wonder how the GDP will justify itself for the drain and who will believe it in the future?

Seeing the footage of victims in the SE, you begin to understand that part of the blame lies with our government. Since the liberation of Crimea encouraged the SE, the people gradually rose in the mood of a repetition of the Crimea's entry - they thought to raise an uprising, to hold a referendum like in Crimea and we are a part of Russia. Will not by will begin to come to an understanding of the plum of the SE as it was before-Yugoslavia, Iraq, Egypt, Libya. But what is interesting because Syria was supported !? and South Ossetia and Abkhazia were supported. And here we are looking at how the Russian population is being destroyed. Trying to understand why the authorities are hesitating, you can list many excuses, but somehow here I read a comment justifying not sending troops - it was cited that the people of Ukraine were precisely the central and western parts it is necessary to "get over the gained freedom" So that the people, in their pockets, feel who they have chosen and what benefit the friendship with the West has brought. When the people see the light, no propaganda can rattle about that Russia is to blame for everything.
If now the introduction of troops takes place and the junta is overthrown, then yes, the bloodshed will end, but the conviction that they did not allow free Ukraine to develop and grow rich like in the West (which almost everyone is now convinced) will not disappear for a long time and will essentially be laid. " a time bomb "and when it rumbles you don't know. And if they get sick," they will understand that salvation is only within Russia, and even the thought of independence and separation from Russia will not exist, since there will be something to compare with.
Perhaps this is so, but how long will it take to wait for the enlightenment of the western part of Ukraine? But every day more and more people are dying and waiting for the insight of Ukraine will turn out to be bloody.

[Andrey82]

Because no one is going to help them, except enthusiasts. Isn't it clear? Why? Question to Putin.

[Yapet100]

Quote: Andrey82

Because no one is going to help them, except enthusiasts. Isn't it clear? Why? Question to Putin.

Probably because this is the policy of the state ... At least one of the first persons has said it now, when the massacre is going on, that it is necessary to help with weapons and force !! None!!!!

[Mriya]

it's just called-meanness, cowardice and betrayal.

[kelevra]

It is necessary to send an assault group from Donetsk to help for the deblockade, if in fact there is a chance of being surrounded! The blow will be sudden, because no one expects Slavyansk to come to the rescue!

[avt]

Quote: kelevra

We need to send an assault group from Donetsk to help the deblockade,

In Donetsk, some kind of dregs. Not that they can’t take control of the city in any way. But then, how do they keep the National Guard on the way ??? It’s not that they are sharing power, now Bezler is being drained, or Bezler decided to use someone to seize the moment. In general, a murky story, against the background of which the idea creeps in that Slavyansk, or rather Strelkov, who declared himself commander in chief of Donbass, is merged through ykrov.

Quote: Leprechaun

And where do miners get all the coal in the mines?

In, in! And at this time, the "miners' division" formed in social networks by Gubarev "worked in the face and waited - where is the Red Army? The mess there in the" leadership "of the DPR is incredible, and Tsarev also struggled to" coordinate "as the main Novorossian, well, I don't believe repainted regionals, as you wish, I don’t believe.

[donavi49]

And to get even bigger forces into the Bag? And in general in Donetsk, commanders, only children know how to burn. They still cannot take control of their city, and you are about help. They already have a brigade with reinforcements in Aero sitting, while being supplied. And even before the battalion in the city in parts that have not yet been taken - with which they seem to be neutral, but they are also to Kiev and the DPR.

[Nayhas]

Quote: kelevra

It is necessary to send an assault group from Donetsk to help for the deblockade, if in fact there is a chance of being surrounded! The blow will be sudden, because no one expects Slavyansk to come to the rescue!

Donetsk is a city of a million, which no one really controls now. There are military and national guards and militias and it is still unclear who. The city is very large and neither side has the strength and means to control it, because the people do not really support anyone. The city lives at the expense of some kind of agreement between different forces, but armed clashes occur regularly. As far as I understand, there are relatively few militias in Donetsk, and their departure from the city will lead to the fact that they will be killed and they will lose everything in the city.

[biznaw]

That's why Putin doesn’t send troops, why? To step on the Ukrainian Mr.? Putin's plan is to wait until the Ukrainian revolutionaries begin to steer the Ukrainian economy without excuse for Russian aggression. The uprising in the southeast was not part of these plans. Crimea as a subject of blackmail from ukrov was taken, the South Stream will be launched in 15, and a bridge across the Kerch Bay will be built in 16. And that’s all ... Ukrainians followed in the footsteps of Bulgaria and Greece and other European countries who haven’t yet gone.

[aleks700]

That's why Putin doesn’t send troops, why? To step on the Ukrainian Mr.?

To save women and children.

[Leprechaun]

And where do miners get all the coal in the mines?

[pg4]

Do you throw coal at the tanks?

[Nikoha.2010]

Quote: Leprechaun

And where do miners get all the coal in the mines?

Yes, we need to feed our family. Yes, there, they are not bombing here ... But we, if we stand up ... And where is Russia? And so on ... PONTS! Shameful show-off! Where are the thousands who voted for freedom of the DPR? Pubic bones! "Shooters" die for YOU !!! It hurts and hurts! I'm not asking about conscience, the war has already shown everyone and in everything!

[alone]

Quote: Nikoha.2010

Yes, we need to feed our family

That's it. Feed the family. And do not listen to sweet speeches. In one word, the child does not feed at home.

[kashtak]

if the military are sitting on the barracks then what do you expect from random civilians? and if a military man nods at civilians, then he is also a criminal, from a moral point of view, comments are unnecessary

[stapler]

in your opinion, it is necessary to rush with helmets on tanks ... what a release of Slavyansk,
what are you talking about, enough forces to make the appearance of defense of pieces of Donetsk and Lugansk,
who writes about this, you at least think a little ..., you won’t do anything in the steppe, you’ll see for kilometers or crawl from Donetsk to Slavyansk, there are no mountains, no forests.

[Yapet100]

Quote: Leprechaun

And where do miners get all the coal in the mines?

Technique is needed ... And the militia tank-monument is fighting ((((((

[alone]

Quote: Yapet100

Technique is needed ... And the militia tank-monument is fighting ((((((

And others believed about 250 tanks. And when they saw the T-34 from the pedestal, they rejoiced. And no one asked if a tank repair base with 250 tanks was taken, what for then a tank monument is needed?

[nycsson]

Quote: Leprechaun

And where do miners get all the coal in the mines?

[dr.Bo]

Russia, where is your help !!!!
Digging out the brain after such news!

[Yapet100]

Quote: dr.Bo

Russia, where is your help !!!!
Digging out the brain after such news!

Forgive us, New Russia !!!

[biznaw]

Where will you be boiled from? From Kiev?

[Leprechaun]

Quote: kelevra

We need to send an assault group from Donetsk to help the deblockade,

One gets the impression (for a long time) that Donetsk itself and it does not care about the affairs of the Strelkov and Slavyansk militias.

[Semurik]

yes there everything and everywhere share power .... that Benny with a pig in Kiev .... that these kings and demons in Donetsk ((
blew the same bacillus of omnipotence in the SE ... uh (((

[Monk]

For good reason, this silence on our part, I think that soon something serious will happen .... at least it should

[IAlex]

Yes, everyone already laid a campaign on them, so far only with merkel and other pegans are bazaars, while they gain time. Then they will declare a note of protest, that’s all.

[biznaw]

Time is against ukrov, so they do not win anything, salaries must be paid not only to ATO participants but also to officials and state employees of the rest of Ukraine, but there is no money. the oligarchs wish to pay their battalions will soon end. But even faster, Dr. Hunger will cure the sick brains of the still-immature Ukraine.

[donavi49]

This is already happening. Lavrov, the new Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, a Frenchman and a German at consultations. Meanwhile, Tornadoes went around Kramatorsk and Stanitsa Lugansk, with bombs went along Kondrashovka. The number of corpses of a minder under 30 is suitable, including children. About Slavyansk who routinely process silent.

[Monk]

I will look at your cons when the situation turns over as I said

[311066]

I agree with you

[311066]

I agree with you

[dr.Bo]

After all, help is not necessarily the introduction of troops! There are many ways to help! Including a wave in the UN. Although the credibility of this organization is falling every day!

[Corsair]

Quote: dr.Bo

After all, help is not necessarily the introduction of troops! There are many ways to help! Including a wave in the UN.

You probably imagine it like this:
Effectively, but stupidly ... The bill is still not in your and our favor ...
I think you read between the lines, what did I mean ...

[Karabin]

Quote: dr.Bo

Including a wave in the UN.

[Semurik]

Aha!
whack !!!
then in silence our imperial bunch will sound deafening)))

[Black]

Quote: Monk

from our side

... only diplomacy .... there will be nothing related to direct military assistance !!!, really, someone did not understand !! -will not.
Only through diplomatic means. Germany is interested in the world, no less than Russia.
That together and the United States will break ... and seek a ceasefire ....
Parashenko, as if he were not ordered, understands that they dunk him in the bullshit ... oh, in the criminal offense, and the round timber is not iron ...
Slavyansk! Strelkovites! Hold on!

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Chen

Only through diplomatic means. Germany is interested in the world, no less than Russia. Here alone they will break the United States ... and seek a ceasefire .... Parashenko, no matter how he is ordered, realizes that he is being dipped in the ears ... oh, into the criminal act, but the round-iron is not iron ...

Parashka is head over heels in blood and all diplomatic curtsies are deeply awesome to him ......
If he stops the operation, then his own throats will be torn.
In the meantime, our negotiations will lead, then no one will remain there.
And no matter how tough the "Strelkovtsy" would have been against a heap of tanks and carpet bombing, nothing can be done.
And if they crush the leaders, the rest will be quickly crushed or simply ousted to the territory of the Russian Federation.
And lose Novorossia lose Russia .... globally lose.
But the South Stream is much more important, because the family must be fed ........

[Simple]

Quote: Chen

Germany ...

The German government, I apologize for the expression, snout in the gun:
following their imperial interests, some Men They did not disdain to take advantage of the help of neofascism.

... interested in the world

In the world under what conditions?

[GUSAR]

I can’t watch, read and listen to news about Ukraine anymore !!! Anger from what is happening simply chokes ... from powerlessness ...

[pg4]

Now news without validol is impossible to watch.

[Corsair]

Quote: pg4

Now news without validol is impossible to watch.

And you watch ukrov news, there is peace and grace. The victorious troops of all the ukrov of the Führer destroy terrorists, feed the old women and die at the same time from the blows paid by the mercenary putler ...

[snifer]

I wait and hope that the GDP will not leave the Russians

[Andrey82]

He has gas contracts, he needs to prepare for the 2018 Championship and bring in millions of Asian migrants. What the hell are Russians ?!

[v245721]

began to see clearly. it pleases.

[teacher]

teascher RU March 2, 2014 14:48 p.m. | We do not believe the Kremlin propaganda. Analysis of the Maidan government for the Russian intelligentsia
Well, where didn’t the Russians leave them-- in the Caucasus? In the Caucasus? In Central Asia? - It would be nice to learn to think, rather than repeat slogans. I quote myself. And in the current situation in Novorossia I continue to consider: they will merge, for the sake of gas contracts, friendship with the EU, the lifting of sanctions against senior officials. It seems that if Yeltsin was ready for anything, for the sake of friendship with the United States, then Putin is ready for a lot for friendship with the EU.

[Valexav]

Yes, little by little. After Crimea, illusions intensified, but now everything fell off in a swoop.
If the Guarantor at least somehow clearly explained to the people the logic of the behavior of the authorities, back and forth, and so .. :(
And who would advise Him, for the future: not to chat about what you cannot subsequently fulfill.

[snifer]

don't rash the salt on the wound

[v245721]

Yes, I would be glad. But everything is wrong and everything is not right guys.

[biznaw]

These gas contracts pay pensions and salaries. You are probably not from Russia.

[alone]

Quote: biznaw

These gas contracts pay pensions and salaries. You are probably not from Russia.

money from gas contracts should be spent on new industrial enterprises and industries. Stupidly selling gas and paying pensions for the money earned will not lead to anything. And to understand this, you do not have to be a brilliant economist.

[nycsson]

Quote: snifer

I wait and hope that the GDP will not leave the Russians

Oh well! Hope dies last.......

Quote: snifer

He has gas contracts, he needs to prepare for the 2018 Championship and bring in millions of Asian migrants. What the hell are Russians ?!

People who know in the subject that all these years there has been a genocide of the Russian people with the help of alcohol, tobacco, drugs, meager wages and corruption .....

Quote: snifer

began to see clearly. it pleases.

What's the point ?! Economy, army, etc. destroyed ....... Soon everyone will have to answer before God for alcohol, tobacco, drugs, stuffing their own pockets at all costs, etc.

[boozer]

During this time, I have already written and re-read so much ... Hang on guys, no more words, some emotions!

[yurik]

Strelkov and the militia have nowhere to wait for help, nor the locals will come to help already. no one, nor Russia. Putin betrayed the Donbass Resistance while he shamelessly vowed to protect those who belong to the Russian world. He wanted to spit on all of us, he didn’t even want to protect people who live on the border with Ukraine from shelling, here is a real example of his attitude
Therefore, we will witness the tragedy of the fall of Slavyansk and the destruction of its garrison, and this is already the beginning of the end, the road to Donetsk will be open ...

[Associate Professor]

Quote: yurik

Strelkov and the militia have nowhere to wait for help, nor the locals will come to help already. no one, nor Russia. Putin betrayed the Donbass Resistance while he shamelessly vowed to protect those who belong to the Russian world

When he swore, do not tell me?

[tor11121]

And that the president has already ceased to be Russian? What other oaths do you need in order to protect the president’s own people?

[Foxmara]

Well, I don’t know ... First of all, Strelkov has already announced ten times that he has only one cartridge left and without Russia's help they will no longer hold out. And then we read that tanks, armored personnel carriers, planes and helicopters were also hit, disinformation is a common thing in this war. As it is, we do not know, but about the loss of entire columns and the destruction of air defense units near the borders of the Russian Federation infa leaks out. http://vk.com/id42537671?w=wall42537671_2084%2Fall Which, by the way, may indicate preparations for the cleanup. Air defense poses a great threat in the event of the introduction of troops, and it is the air defense that is taken under control or destroyed. In general, I hope this "last cartridge" will shoot down many more tanks and we will see Igor Ivanovich at the military parade in honor of the independence of Novorossiya.

[Sandov]

Quote: Foxmara

and we will see Igor Ivanovich at a military parade in honor of the independence of New Russia.

I hope and believe.

[Andrey82]

Moscow needs shooters with its people just as Kiev needs it. He is now unlikely to be released alive from Slavyansk anyway.

[Valexav]

Such authorities do not need such Heroes alive. In books, yes.

[Evgeniy1]

Dear, I want to remind you of an old fairy tale where a little boy was constantly "joking" and everyone was frightened by the WOLF, the WOLF - how did it end, the REAL WOLF came and EATED the boy ...

[Yapet100]

Quote: yurik

Strelkov and the militia have nowhere to wait for help, nor the locals will come to help already. no one, nor Russia. Putin betrayed the Donbass Resistance while he shamelessly vowed to protect those who belong to the Russian world. He wanted to spit on all of us, he didn’t even want to protect people who live on the border with Ukraine from shelling, here is a real example of his attitude
Therefore, we will witness the tragedy of the fall of Slavyansk and the destruction of its garrison, and this is already the beginning of the end, the road to Donetsk will be open ...

This beginning of the end of Russia will be like a great state ... There has never been such inaction in the history of Russia ... We can’t even protect our borders ... People are leaving the border farms ... Horror !!!

[Setrac]

Quote: Yapet100

This beginning of the end of Russia will be like a great state ...

Beginning of the End? Or maybe the end of the beginning? Perhaps the decisive events have not even begun?

[Mountain shooter]

Alas, alas. They didn’t hold it. New Russians did not rally around Russian volunteers. Spanish script ...

[Roman 11]

The Spanish script was in the Pyrenees, and then under the nose. But I have doubts about the commander from 7.05. This is a watershed date.

[Semurik]

but they’re squeezing with a glanders (at this moment?)
with manure ... or without ... but is the result?
and what is there to swagger? (((

[Setrac]

Quote: Novel 11

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So their instructors are Americans.

[Gexzloy]

Quote: fox21h

Sucks, if that's true, I hope the situation will change for the better for the militias.

how?

Quote: Monk

For good reason, this silence on our part, I think that soon something serious will happen .... at least it should

top of optimism
reality in summaries
if they don’t give up, they will die, for which it’s not entirely clear to anyone, in any case, Putin didn’t need them.

[Andrey82]

We conclude - for the Ossetians with the Abkhazians harnessed, for the Russians - no. It turns out Russian for Putin does not exist. There are Russians and some Russian speakers abroad whom can be cut.

[Sandov]

Quote from GexZloy

top of optimism
reality in summaries
if they don’t give up, they will die, for which it’s not entirely clear to anyone, in any case, Putin didn’t need them.

Get more punitive with you. If the Russian army as the Israelis take action, the Gestapo Khan.

[tyumen901]

No there in the summaries of these 100% reality. That you are all so fixated on them.

[kodxnumx]

I think Slavyansk will not surrender! Perhaps volunteers have already moved forward from Donetsk, perhaps there are surprises for the SS guard, one thing is sure that Slavyansk will not surrender!

[Yapet100]

Quote: kod3001

I think Slavyansk will not surrender! Perhaps volunteers have already moved forward from Donetsk, perhaps there are surprises for the SS guard, one thing is sure that Slavyansk will not surrender!

God grant! But I can’t believe it already ... Time is running out and time is lost ...

[Semurik]

Is this a prayer?

[alone]

Quote: kod3001

I think Slavyansk will not surrender! Perhaps volunteers have already moved forward from Donetsk, perhaps there are surprises for the SS guard, one thing is sure that Slavyansk will not surrender!

A large grouping is already standing near Donetsk. And then there was some kind of coup, or rather, an attempt. Everyone is busy with his own business. He’s talking about the drum with Slavyansk

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: kod3001

I think Slavyansk will not surrender! Perhaps volunteers have already moved forward from Donetsk, perhaps there are surprises for the SS guard, one thing is sure that Slavyansk will not surrender!

You did not try to read the mantra?

[Iline]

KIEV, July 2 - RIA Novosti. The situation in the special operation zone, in the vicinity of Slavyansk, Donetsk region, remains very tense, said the commander of the National Guard of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Stepan Poltorak, summing up the day’s results on Wednesday.

According to him, the units of the National Guard over the past day have continued "search activities", the main task of which was to identify groups of militias, of which "there are still a lot in the area."

The commander noted that minor military clashes took place in the vicinity of Slavyansk. "In the course of these clashes, the National Guard units did not lose personnel, there were no wounded," the press service of the National Guard quotes Poltorak.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20140702/1014471663.html#ixzz36Kakl8q0

This is the opinion of the opposite side.
But we must take into account the real alignment of forces.

[Foxmara]

Well, if they write that there are no wounded, then they lost no more than half a hundred. It would be a couple of 200 - Avakov would report on the destroyed convoy of separatists.

[Kastor]

Very shitty ... I hope this is not the whole truth ... they are fighting for us, someone in the throat is simple, not everyone understands this

[Neighbor]

Something not a single Vekselberg and no Abramovich has ever been lit up with any statements. And Putin is silent ...

[atalef]

Quote: Neighbor

Something not a single Vekselberg and no Abramovich has ever been lit up with any statements. And Putin is silent ...

You are strange, on the one hand, Kolomoisky should fight for Ukraine, and on the other hand, should Abramovich and Vekselberg say something and shine for Russia - but doesn’t the Slavs themselves?

[Valexav]

I’ve got it already. In March. It used to cover the bread slicer.

[Gypsy girl]

Well, the news ... Hang on, guys ...

[tank64rus]

What a disgrace. All. Some words about help, but where is the real support.

[Monk]

Quote: IAlex

Yes, everyone already laid a campaign on them, so far only with merkel and other pegans are bazaars, while they gain time. Then they will declare a note of protest, that’s all.

I do not agree with you, the "drain" of Novorossia is the collapse of Russia, something is wrong here, I can feel it with my skin, there will be something ...

[djtyysq]

]

I feel the skin, it will be something ... [/ quote] The guys in Slavyansk now feel that AKM is not an argument against Grad and Hurricanes. But Putin still gives Novorossia !!!

[Yapet100]

[quote = djtyysq]]

I feel skin, it will be something ... [/ quote] The guys in Slavyansk are now feeling that AKM is not an argument against Grad and Hurricanes. But Putin still gives Novorossia !!! [/ quote]
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Precisely said !!!!!!!!!!!!!! And in the Kremlin that they "smell" .... ???? I dont know...

[vovan1949]

Stop whining: Putin gives up New Russia, Putin betrayed the Russians. Do you want Putin to send troops? What would have killed thousands of Russian guys? That the cherished plans of the USA come true ?. Tired of your nagging. Eat yourself or send your sons to Ukraine. Putin does everything right, and you assent to the fifth column.

[Russ69]

Quote: vovan1949

Do you want Putin to send troops?

Why troops at once? Why does everyone go to extremes?
Can you put a weapon?

[Valexav]

The weapon is late, now late. As an alternative to the introduction of troops - massive airstrikes on the concentration of junta troops.

[Valexav]

Sample logic. If you follow it, then in 1941 we should have gone under Hitler. And what - would eat sausages with cabbage and beer washed down now. And 26 million victims would not be. It is so? The pure logic of cowards and traitors.

[Foxmara]

In 41, it was known that a document was adopted in the USA that they would help the side attacked by the aggressor. Probably this explains all the orders prohibiting succumb to provocations. Could not afford to be the first to attack

[Monk]

On emotions to poke in the negative all much, but did not try to think soberly ???? Is it a war, if that is so, or do you all think it’s like in a counter-strike game, only one side wins ??? As children, I swear, in the war not only victories, but also bitter defeats, and victory will be ours. And the alarmists who scream that they betrayed and merged everyone were shot in the war. You can minus further ..

[kodxnumx]

You're right old man! Sometimes such an audience infuriates

[djtyysq]

Quote: Monk

in war, not only victories, but also bitter defeats, and victory will be ours.

Yes, there are also defeats. But at what cost? Put everyone in the Southeast, then win and shout Uryayayayai? Why such a "victory"!

[Setrac]

Quote: djtyysq

Why such a "victory"!

Which have!
One for all.... .

[The Art of War]

The monk you analyzed that South Ossetia recognized the DNI and LC

[Monk]

I try not to miss ... therefore, I say that something serious is coming, the only thing I can’t understand yet in what time frame, but I guess 10-15 days

[Monk]

just look at what the leadership of our country is talking about and it will immediately become clear what is going on

[The Art of War]

Yes, one of the deputies almost even made a slip about something

[Foxmara]

The management methodically sews the terms of the Ukrainian leadership. Piglet was given ONE chance at PEACE, now he has been made responsible for blood.

[The Art of War]

I don’t know the timing depending on how the civilians manage to evacuate women children and elderly people. you will analyze!

[pl675]

flashed information on the consideration of legislatively private armies.
our lawmakers, by whistle, can consider and take it in two days.
and if everything is ready for this, and the gdp is waiting for the moment?
something tells me - everything goes to this.
this is only speculation unfortunately, but what the hell is not joking.

[Evgeniy1]

No private armies will pull against "heavy" weapons!

[pl675]

Quote: Eugene1

No private armies will pull against "heavy" weapons!

who said that the armed forces are armed with slingshots?

[Yapet100]

Quote: Monk

On emotions to poke in the negative all much, but did not try to think soberly ???? Is it a war, if that is so, or do you all think it’s like in a counter-strike game, only one side wins ??? As children, I swear, in the war not only victories, but also bitter defeats, and victory will be ours. And the alarmists who scream that they betrayed and merged everyone were shot in the war. You can minus further ..

)))) Yes, "minus" is nothing))))) I was allowed into perpetual bans on two forums)))) At the expense, in short!))))

[The Art of War]

I agree with the Monk, no one will "drain" New Russia!

[kodxnumx]

The monk absolutely agrees with you, it’s not so simple, no one will merge the republic, apparently the GDP will pump some moment, and after the negotiations everything will be clear, I think the moments that Germany is clear that France will meet now for checking the clock, I think everything will be soon they know, I would like to believe that Europe will be on our side, or at least not interfere!

[tyumen901]

I agree with you.

[Second]

Yeltsin betrayed Serbia, Putin betrays the Southeast. It is not clear where the mass protests of public patriotic organizations against such betrayal. We celebrated the victory over fascism, and now Bandera, as on a training ground, is quietly killing Russians. Damn, where did all our patriots go? Why they are not in the media, but one moo to Bandera, that this is not good. Yes they laid that it is bad. But you can.

[Sandov]

Quote: Second

Damn, where did all our patriots go? Why they are not in the media, but one moo to Bandera, that this is not good. Yes they laid that it is bad. But you can.

Vladimir Solovyov on "Vesti", well illuminates the Gestapo scum.

[Vitynar]

Quote: Second

Damn, where did all our patriots go? Why are they not in the media?

a) Patriots in the zone. Arakcheev, Konstantinov, etc.
b) All media under censorship, who blurt out a word against Putin, will not survive until morning.

It’s strange that you still don’t understand this ...

[shitovmg]

Quote: GUSAR

I can’t watch, read and listen to news about Ukraine anymore !!! Anger from what is happening simply chokes ... from powerlessness ...

And I broke the TV, flat 82, saved up for three years on it ...

[Kastor]

I don’t turn it on at all (zombie), I can give it to you

[Sandov]

Quote: shitovmg

Quote: GUSAR

I can’t watch, read and listen to news about Ukraine anymore !!! Anger from what is happening simply chokes ... from powerlessness ...

And I broke the TV, flat 82, saved up for three years on it ...

I sympathize, we will hope until the very end for the liberation of Novorossia from shit.

[atalef]

Quote: shitovmg

Quote: GUSAR

I can’t watch, read and listen to news about Ukraine anymore !!! Anger from what is happening simply chokes ... from powerlessness ...

And I broke the TV, flat 82, saved up for three years on it ...

Now you will find peace of mind

[alone]

Quote: shitovmg

And I broke the TV, flat 82, saved up for three years on it ...

It is a pity of course, but I think you really only lost the loot for which you bought it.
And I’ve not watched TV for 3-4 years now, except maybe just football.

[samoletil18]

Quote: shitovmg

And I broke the TV, flat 82, saved up for three years on it ...

In another situation, I would recommend not to be so nervous, but ...

[v245721]

Russia is waiting for miners not 500 people but 100 thousand. And everything else will follow. But in general it is such a shame for Russia. it’s good that he served in the USSR army for a long time.

[Oleg amos]

Only now I understand, Donbass, this is the price for the Crimea, it's too expensive!

[v245721]

Crimea will fade, after the surrender of New Russia.

[donavi49]

So, the OSCE has already demanded to withdraw troops from the Crimea and return this occupied territory to Ukraine. Now they will deal with the Donbass and take up the Crimea. For example, the Revolution inside, a segment of communications simultaneously with the introduction of real sanctions, which they are now blackmailing.

[Sandov]

Quote: donavi49

So, the OSCE has already demanded to withdraw troops from the Crimea and return this occupied territory to Ukraine. Now they will deal with the Donbass and take up the Crimea. For example, the Revolution inside, a segment of communications simultaneously with the introduction of real sanctions, which they are now blackmailing.

Demand Eurogandons? The reverse will not work, Crimea has always been ours, ours will remain. Now it's up to Novorossia. Hollowing Banderoeses is not childish.

[kodxnumx]

You’re persecuting Donbass here for whatever kind of Crimea you don’t, you’re already talking about Russia if you listen to the GDP and everyone who surrounds it and automatically put it on Russia. Good guys I'm sure everything will be fine, the capital of New Russia will be Kiev.

[shitovmg]

Quote: GUSAR

I can’t watch, read and listen to news about Ukraine anymore !!! Anger from what is happening simply chokes ... from powerlessness ...

And I broke a new TV, flat on 82, saved three years on it ...

[Yugra]

He just returned from Turkey. So there are a lot of Ukrainians from Krivoy Rog, Dnepropetrovsk are resting. Most are miners. They say that Kolomoisky raised our salary twice, we are satisfied. And we don’t care about anything else. And Donetsk and Lugansk, so save your Russian. Here in this they are-corrupt Ukrainians

[Orik]

Quote: Ugra

He just returned from Turkey. So there are a lot of Ukrainians from Krivoy Rog, Dnepropetrovsk are resting. Most are miners. They say that Kolomoisky raised our salary twice, we are satisfied. And we don’t care about anything else. And Donetsk and Lugansk, so save your Russian. Here in this they are-corrupt Ukrainians

They don’t understand, they’ll decide with SE, the marami’s salary will lower them four times ....

[Rostovchanin]

They say that Kolomoisky’s salary was doubled, we are satisfied. And we don’t care about anything anymore. And Donetsk and Lugansk, so save your Russians yourself.

Yes, they all their lives on someone else's dick in heaven want to enter!

[kodxnumx]

Sukai and this is not Rusich! Oh, how oh, how embarrassing it will be.

[samoletil18]

Quote: kod3001

Sukai and this is not Rusich! Oh, how oh, how embarrassing it will be.

This? (!) Yes, spit their eyes, "The dew of God," - they will say.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: kod3001

Sukai and this is not Rusich! Oh, how oh, how embarrassing it will be.

Do you ever meet people who have even piss in the eyes, but they are all "God's dew"?

[DPN]

Quote: portoc65

Dill collected everything that is possible to finish, but they will run out of breath .. for a long time they will not be able to actively fight .. you just need to hold out and there will appear gaps that can be pierced

You can stay here on the site for as long as you need, and there the war goes on there are two big differences. And unfortunately without water and not here and there, no syudy is sung in songs. It seems that selling gas to Ukraine for free has done its job.

[saag]

Interestingly, the Spanish scenario is indeed repeating itself, after the fall of Slavyansk Donetsk surrenders rather quickly, Luhansk may take a little longer, what will happen next in the electoral scenario? What will happen to those who insisted about the "cunning plan" and silence from which the plaster fell from the ceiling?
PS If this happens, then this, people, will be one more confirmation of the depravity of the current system, no matter how you are covered up with gas contracts and other tank biathlon, this is all a show, GDP is an excellent showman, not to be taken away, but in real politics the politician is weak

[Leprechaun]

Quote: Andrey82

We conclude - for the Ossetians with the Abkhazians harnessed, for the Russians - no. It turns out Russian for Putin does not exist. There are Russians and some Russian speakers abroad whom can be cut.

You are aware that in South Ossetia and Abkhazia 99% of the population at that time were citizens of the Russian Federation, that there were officially ON peacekeepers who began to kill Georgian troops, etc. You are aware that back in 91-92, Abkhazia asked to include its territory in the Krasnodar Territory, not autonomy, namely to include in the territory of the Kyrgyz Republic. so your comparison is not correct.

[Andrey82]

I am aware that Putin does not need Russians. We need Russians submissive and diluted by migrants.

[Andrey82]

Yes, at least get out of hand. The facts speak for themselves.

[Setrac]

Quote: Andrey82

Yes, at least get out of hand. The facts speak for themselves.

And how many children do you have, Russian?

[Andrey82]

And as I understand it - not Russian?

[Roman 11]

By the way, it is still unknown whether it may be more convenient in the city to capture such valuable technique of crooks, crooks and crooks. In my opinion, Uncle Igor is bluffing, playing panic scenes surrounded ... maybe he invites him to the city? Fighting took place in Grozny for several months, and the equipment was defeated a lot in the first siege. So shaw nothing interesting - you think the wimps on armor ride on the outskirts ...... and even stretched their strength !!

[Andrey82]

Grozny stands on the river Sunzha. Slavyansk is not standing on the river. The fighting in Grozny went on in the winter - again there were no problems with water due to snow.

[djtyysq]

Quote: Andrey82

Grozny stands on the river Sunzha. Slavyansk is not standing on the river. The fighting in Grozny went on in the winter - again there were no problems with water due to snow.

And the planes of the city did not bomb.

[Andrey82]

And the Airborne Regiment captured Grozny in two hours.

[alone]

Quote: djtyysq

And the planes of the city did not bomb.

It's like they didn’t bomb Grozny. In fact, even Grachev said that the planes that bomb Grozny are not Russian

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: lonely

I remember even Grachev said that the planes that bombed Grozny are not Russian

So after all, the truth said: not Russian-Soviet!

[Vlad5307]

it seems that the oligarchs have crushed the president and Novorossia will be on the conscience of Russia, which left it at a critical moment without help! how bitter and insulting!

[Andrey82]

What does the oligarchs have to do with it? At another time, the obstinate were sent and planted and nothing. Here it is not at all the olegarchs.

[Valexav]

Bitterness will only be added: Serbia has a lot of fun, and now Novorossia still. I’m already a middle-aged man and the devil knows, maybe we will betray someone else.
And then we wonder: why is this all our country sausages. And betray nefig.

[Yapet100]

Such words were once sounded; "No man - no problem." And now it looks like this: No Novorossiya - no problem .. And then the Russian Federation will again come to an agreement with "our Western partners" ...
And there are excuses ... The war did not want ... or else they will say something ..
.. longing ... ((((How can the state be so toothless !!!! And all these teachings of our army are a bluff !!!
The word rotates in the language - a shame ... But while I am silent ((((

[Vitynar]

Quote: Yapet100

How can the state be so toothless !!!!

The state is a reflection of the people. What a people, such a state.

You can minus, but it's true!

[Coconut Tima]

Quote: IAlex

And the GDP is snot chewing with its peaceful settlement ...

It will help New Russia - they will not let the southern pipe be built, and this is many billions for one small group of friends !!!

[astapminus]

It’s not regrettable to say, but along the way it is ALL ..... there will be no help, and without it the men will not last long ((((

[nicollider]

if the news is not yet another disinformation, then everything, of course, is sad. however, morning, evenings are wiser. wait

[djtyysq]

Quote: nicollider

if the news is not just another disinformation,

Well, if RIA NEWS made this misinformation, is it worth discussing all this?

[NUR]

The news on the mouth is female battalions of women with painted nails with machine guns and the miners will come out when radicals with clubs come to their families and make them fight against the Crimea.

[snifer]

who are the miners in Ukraine? these are slaves who, for the ration that the owner gives them and will work, they don’t have a word or a thought, a stupid obedient herd, I met such people very often in Russia, on duty. they’ll give a handout we’re glad they’re not suitable for anything, they will continue to sit in their holes while their wives and daughters will dill f ... b.

[IAlex]

Here is the whole answer:
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev blamed the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko for the deaths in the south-east of the country and warned that Moscow will develop relations with Kiev in the current conditions "will be extremely difficult, but on certain issues impossible."

Those. ordinary people who have to fight in any form with the Nazis are less afraid of them than state people who are entrusted with the fate of the state ....

[Comintern]

Guys What a shame to read and see all this, the local people are waiting for their homeland, Voronezh is teeming with cars with Ukrainian numbers healthy men in Rostov are probably all in all from Donbass and no one cares about the homeland Question: Then why did you go to the referendum? Unclear . In the same Lugansk, I have a testimonial evrohol every day, I bet I honestly already got it and at my place of refugee my wife’s sister with a child and I also don’t see love for Rodin in their eyes, it takes evil that our leaders gave these Russian lands to these creatures and then from They built factories of the city’s metro, of course, I want to see Novorossia, but is it real if Kharkiv Odessa Nikolaev is silent and not only does not send its paratroopers. And we have to drive troops.

[Andrey82]

What troops? Time wasted in May. Now there in the southeast there is a group of 30-50 thousand with equipment. Then a grouping of 100-150 thousand is needed to suppress with the support of everything that is possible. It is not and will not be because it was decided to "merge" the Russians (this is not only about Novorossiya).
Our top here is not for the development of the country, for completely different purposes.

[Mhpv]

Kharkovites also repair tanks, a disgrace, the same killers only for the edge of bread (salary).
And among the population is full of informers who give out the position of militias.

[Evgeniy1]

If OUR tanks were in Kharkov, then their informers stood in line to pound on Bandera, WHO IS STRONG, AND RESPECT (fear and listen)!

[Monk]

I fully support

[Rostovchanin]

Voronezh is infested with cars with Ukrainian numbers by healthy men in Rostov, probably in general a shaft from the Donbass and no one cares about their homeland

I didn’t want to say, God bless them with these minuses ... refugees were brought to the region, the heads of administrations clutched their heads, then they are not like refrigerators, then TVs, then rooms without air conditioners and the funny thing is not the same color curtains ... their men in their homeland frankly put the device.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Rostovchanin

Voronezh is infested with cars with Ukrainian numbers by healthy men in Rostov, probably in general a shaft from the Donbass and no one cares about their homeland

I didn’t want to say, God bless them with these minuses ... refugees were brought to the region, the heads of administrations clutched their heads, then they are not like refrigerators, then TVs, then rooms without air conditioners and the funny thing is not the same color curtains ... their men in their homeland frankly put the device.

Facts in the studio.

[Rostovchanin]

Facts in the studio

And how will I provide you with the facts? These are the words of my friend, an employee of the administration of one of the districts, he resettled 10 families in a dormitory ... and this I only laid out the most gentle information about, the rest I can in PM so as not to compromise.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Rostovchanin

I only laid out the softest information, about the rest I can in lichku not to compromise.

And I believe. Because I assumed and expected that such a situation would arise. I have seen many people in my life; and I know what they are. Wait, on the Internet on forums Russians will complain about "Novorossi" and even "swear" (if they don't already start). But let's think not about "dirty foam" but about real "Novorossians", who brought their family and returned to fight, who will be grateful for a piece of bread, for some kind of roof over their heads, for a peaceful sky over the playground. And help them.

[sinukvl]

I confirm the words. In the camp in Dmitriadovka, there are also such ones. Howl the other day that they fed them wrongly and the humanitarian aid that people for them collected and handed out not all new things you see. But there, they campaigned them and their conscious and local put in place.

[Comintern]

In Boguchar the Thief. Region They demand from the local authorities 5000 how to say hello to them. Putin personally promised that he would still be indignant. Of course they are sorry, you can understand but such a cattle (

[Dave36]

What kind of nonsense .. I'm from Voronezh .... no one caches ... well, yes there is a car, but not enough

[sever.56]

The riflemen will fight to the death, they will not retreat. But where is the help? Why didn't ours supply weapons? It was necessary to spit on the entire "world community". People are dying, peaceful people, Russian people! Lord! Help to stand and win!

[Yapet100]

Quote: sever.56

The riflemen will fight to the death, they will not retreat. But where is the help? Why didn't ours supply weapons? It was necessary to spit on the entire "world community". People are dying, peaceful people, Russian people! Lord! Help to stand and win!

This voice will remain unheard ((((

[captain dvv]

Quote: sever.56

The riflemen will fight to the death, they will not retreat. But where is the help? Why didn't ours supply weapons? It was necessary to spit on the entire "world community". People are dying, peaceful people, Russian people! Lord! Help to stand and win!

To intervene we need eggs for our leadership. And they were clamped in the grip of Western banks.

[maxxdesign]

don't panic ahead of time! as if hail and hail storms this is the first time? as if trying to surround this is the first time? maybe this is generally a disinfectant for dill, which is quietly sitting here and m.s.

[Gexzloy]

Quote: Andrey82

We conclude - for the Ossetians with the Abkhazians harnessed, for the Russians - no. It turns out Russian for Putin does not exist. There are Russians and some Russian speakers abroad whom can be cut.

There is a big policy
Have a lot of money
There is something to respect for GDP, but we are not in a fairy tale.

Quote: kod3001

I think they will not surrender Slavyansk

Slavyansk goal number 1, in order not to surrender it needs something more than desire

Quote: kod3001

Perhaps volunteers have already advanced from Donetsk, maybe there are surprises for the SS guard, one thing is certain they won’t surrender to Slavyansk!

wishful thinking
written is surrounded
do you think the volunteers should break through the environment ring from armored vehicles?
Come break through!
What are the surprises?
Do you still believe in miracles?
the guys at the Kursk also believed, it didn't happen

Quote: Second

Damn, where did all our patriots go? Why are they not in the media, but one lowing to Bandera’s,

It's hard to admit, but the media in political matters always speaks only to the tone of the government.

Quote: Oleg Amos

Only now I understand, Donbass, this is the price for Crimea

where does the price?
Donbass is much cooler than Crimea
they themselves, without the help of the Russian army, did everything, but they were not just betrayed, but left to be torn to pieces, and passions were heated on both sides.

[Leprechaun]

Quote: NUR

The news on the mouth is female battalions of women with painted nails with machine guns and the miners will come out when radicals with clubs come to their families and make them fight against the Crimea.

Wait until the time will come, the miners will accuse us that we are to blame for everything, that they "miners" live poorly and starve and the mines were closed because of Russia, etc. Miners were initially opposed to joining Russia.

[ty60]

and get your ass upstairs and fight weakly. Let someone. And feed me the children. Those are my children.

[wanderer]

_________- if in 1941 our grandfathers also reasoned ... we wouldn’t be with you.

[sabakina]

Мужики...Прочитал все посты...Даже не знаю что писать...Ей Богу, в 41 было более-менее всё понятно. Сейчас...хоть карты Таро раскладывай...

[Vitynar]

А что непонятного-то, а?

а) Ни при каких обстоятельствах Путин ни введет войска, ни даст тяжелое оружие ополченцам. А русские ни при каких обстоятельствах не смогут поставить другого Президента, хотя бы Медведева, который 080808 "не ".
б) Кроме России, ополченцам помогать никто не будет.
в) Легкой пехотой против настоящей армии выиграть невозможно.
г) На стороне Украины США и ЕС, которые дадут деньги, спецов, любое оружие.

What could be incomprehensible here?

[Yapet100]

Quote: sabakina

Мужики...Прочитал все посты...Даже не знаю что писать...Ей Богу, в 41 было более-менее всё понятно. Сейчас...хоть карты Таро раскладывай...

А что тут непонятного???? Наших т.е. русских бьют((((

[Andrey82]

Кстати, вряд-ли укропы ломанутся на штурм в условиях перспективы городских боёв. Скорей всего будут сравнивать с землёй артиллерией и морить голодом и жаждой. Слабая надежда только ... нет не на ВВП, а на ополчение в др. районах. Но слишком неравны силы по технике и тяж. оружию.

[Hariva]

Думаю не стоит паниковать так уж сильно.
То что перемирие олицетворяло собой лишь время , необходимое для создания ударной группировки - было ясно.
То что удар будет не хилым - было ясно.
То что придётся отступать - было ясно ( все таки подавляющие превосходство в технике ).
То что основной блицкриг планируется под Славянском думаю то же было ясно.
Но и ополчение все это прекрасно понимало и план действий наверняка выработан.
Теперь мы имеим то, что имеем. Никаких сюрпризов , за исключением неожиданно обильного урожая летающе - ползающей техники противника.
Let's see what will happen next.

[Leprechaun]

Quote from GexZloy

Do you still believe in miracles?
the guys at the Kursk also believed, it didn't happen

А причем здесь трагедия АПЛ КУРСК, какое отношение имеет к этим событиям? Вы там были? Не надо будоражить память погибших моряков.

[Massik]

Ну где хитрый ход Путина?! Не видать совсем ,воевать не будем ,как по другому вояк незалежной остановим ???

Да.... был город ,а теперь одни развалины . Сейчас уже мало кто помнит, что там жили люди...

[Frate]

Конечно, ситуацию надо оценивать трезво, без паники и эмоций. Хотя, без эмоций трудно! Всякий здесь, который не верит в "мудрое молчание" и в "тайный замысел" путина, обзывается или пораженцем или либерастом. А ситуация ясна давно (об этом пишу постоянно): ЗЕМЛЯ ПРОДАНА АМЕРИКАНЦАМ! И не укропы и не нацисты (они только средство) вычищают эту территорию от населения. Пока наши геймеры заигрывают на дипломаттических сценах, произносят пламенные речи, американцы натаскивают нацистов, укрепляют деньгами, вооружением и спец инструкторами. А мы все ждем "тайного стратега" путина, "завоевателя Крыма" и еще сетуем на шахтеров. Вы же, большинство здесь, военные люди, представьте себе: сколько не набери шахтеров, добровольцев - без профессионального стратегического управления - это, всего лишь, НАРОДНЫЕ БРИГАДЫ, у которых в руках что вилы, что ПЗРК - без разницы! Стрелков все месяцы отчаянно просит помощи: и не тушонки с носками, а специалистов! Где они, проворовавшиеся сердюковские генералы? Народ воюет в основном трофейными средствами! Три бойца на один танк! Красиво и мужественно! Но - до каких пор?! Страшно об этом думать! Путин со своими скоморохами по уши завязан с американским капиталом. Ведь, это открытая информация, в которую никому не хочется верить. Жалко ранить мифическое воображение! Старая истина: нельзя служить двум господам. А мы верим в сказки про каких-то тайных вежливых людей, которые тайно рулят ситуацию! Кроме Стрелкова, практически никто грамотно не может организовать боевые задачи. Нелепая, обидная гибель Анатолия Кляна тому подтверждение! Пока мы здесь молимся на "тайные планы путина", кольцо блокады в Славянске сжимается каждую минуту! У меня сейчас одна надежда: на Господа, и на то, что может быть,Он так устроит, что нацистские штурмовики захлебнуться собственным огнем!

[saag]

Quote: FREGAT

Жалко ранить мифическое воображение!

хирурги отдирают бинты одним махом - так гуманнее

[Second]

Фрегату. Комментарий по делу на 100%. Сейчас необходимо крепить информационное патриотическое содружество на любых уровнях и оказывать давление на эту власть. Надеюсь, что в окружении Путина есть настоящие патриоты, немного, но есть. Так что надежда есть.

[Yapet100]

Quote: FREGAT

Три бойца на один танк!

++++++++++ Всё так и есть... Где был Путин, когда Сердюков гробил армию...
Только добавьте ещё про танк у ополченцев из музея -ИС....

[Barakuda]

ВВП ! Ты уже заколебал со своими "партнерами" !!! Предпринимай что-нибудь,а не в "ладошки" с западом играй ..Люди - СЛАВЯНЕ гибнут, и нафиг нам отчеты о ИЛ-76 МЧС, развернутых пунктах ВРЕМЕННОГО содержания. Спасибо конечно..

[Vitynar]

Quote: Barracuda

ВВП ! Ты уже заколебал со своими "партнерами" !!! Предпринимай что-нибудь,а не в "ладошки" с западом играй ..

Друг, без шуток! Сравни себя и украинцев 30 июня этого года. Порошенко обсудил с Меркель, Путиным и Олландом продление перемирия. И секретариат олланда выпустил пресс-релиз...

А вечером собрался Майдан и сказал - "Порошенко! Если ты не будешь воевать, мы тебя снесем, как Януковича!" И на следующий день, Порошенко, наплевав на все договоренности с 3 главами государств, начал войну.

Learn!

[Barakuda]

Майдан там совсем для другого собирался, их меньше всего волновало АТО, чиновников и судей ,всех бывших сместить хотят, а они как угри, если не тут,то там. Променяли шило на мыло. Я эти возгласы в "собственные уши" слышал,так как был там.
Как был народ рабом олигархата,так и останется.

[Barakuda]

Без шуток, я все это дело вижу собственными глазами и стуками в дверь по ночам,за то что сейчас пишу.

[atalef]

Quote: Barracuda

ВВП ! Ты уже заколебал со своими "партнерами" !!! Предпринимай что-нибудь,а не в "ладошки" с западом играй ..Люди - СЛАВЯНЕ гибнут, и нафиг нам отчеты о ИЛ-76 МЧС, развернутых пунктах ВРЕМЕННОГО содержания. Спасибо конечно..

А сам то ты где? На баррикадах?

[Barakuda]

Нет, просто живу в 70 км от Киева на юг, мотнутся туда и обратно труда не составляет. Пока Российские "тормоза" в посольстве России в Киеве , и ФМС бумажки складывают.

[atalef]

Quote: Barracuda

Нет, просто живу в 70 км от Киева на юг, мотнутся туда и обратно труда не составляет. Пока Российские "тормоза" в посольстве России в Киеве , и ФМС бумажки складывают.

70 км от Киева , это конечно гораздо дальше чем Сибирь( откуда в славянск приезжают добровольцы) - мне конечно нравится этот Новоросский подход - мужики значит в Ростовскую обл - типа беженцами , шахтеры в шахты- типа работать надо , баракуда - типа живет далеко -- но Путин предатель , а может спасать не кого ? на кой России такое болото нужно? сами за се�