Two companies claim to build a missile defense system in Poland

Over the past few years, the Polish leadership has been actively discussing the possible creation of its own missile defense system. The current Ukrainian crisis has affected the views of Warsaw politicians and the military, because of what they are forced to accelerate the work on this program. Earlier, the Polish Ministry of Defense published its requirements for a promising missile defense system, and recently identified participants in a new tender.

According to Reuters, at the very end of June, the Polish Defense Ministry announced a list of contestants who will compete for its contract in the near future. The consortium, Eurosam, owned by the French company Thales and the European concern MBDA, and the American company Raytheon, are claiming a contract. In the near future, they should submit to the competition commission a package of documents on the proposed missile defense system. The order of the Polish Ministry of Defense is of great interest to the organizations participating in the competition. According to some data, the contract value will be 24 billion zlotys (slightly less than 8 billion US dollars). According to other sources, the potential order of the Polish military is more modest and will cost taxpayers about 5 billion dollars.

The Polish ABM construction program is called the Vistula. It is noted that in the course of this project, Poland intends to build its own missile defense system, armed with medium-range missiles. The task of the system will be to protect the state from the missile threat of third countries. At the same time, as far as is known, the Vistula system will not be a substitute or complement for the Euro-Atlantic missile defense system being deployed by the United States and Eastern European states. "Vistula" will be intended only to protect Poland.

Initially, four bids were submitted to the tender. In addition to the short-listed organizations, the Israeli company Rafael and a merger of American firms led by Lockheed Martin were going to take part in the competition. In all applications submitted for the competition, various ways were proposed to solve the tasks posed and to protect the specified areas from the enemy's ballistic missiles. The company Lockheed Martin offered Poland its new project of the air defense system and the MEADS pro, and Israeli specialists from the firm Rafael, in turn, intended to supply the slightly modified Sharvit Ksamim complex designed for their needs.

The official reason for changing the conditions of the competition was the recent events in Ukraine and the concomitant deterioration of the international situation. Responding to these events, the Polish Ministry of Defense stated that now, within the framework of the Vistula program, only those proposed projects that have already reached the implementation stage will be considered. Now the Polish military want to buy foreign missile defense systems, which are already being mass-produced and used by NATO countries. Raytheon and the Eurosam consortium have proposed such systems. The proposed project of Lockheed Martin, which is only planned to be created, as well as the Israeli missile defense system, which has not yet been adopted, dropped out of the competition due to non-compliance with customer requirements.

The second important condition of the competition is the participation of Polish enterprises in the development, construction and maintenance of advanced missile defense systems. Polish defense holding Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa should play one of the main roles in the new project. It is noteworthy that foreign participants in the competition are ready for this. For example, officials at the American company Raytheon expressed their approval of this demand and expressed hope for productive cooperation with Polish colleagues in the creation of new missile defense systems.

According to reports, the company Raytheon offers the Polish military anti-aircraft missile complex Patriot of the last modification, capable of destroying both aerodynamic and ballistic targets. There is no exact information about the proposal of the Eurosam consortium. Apparently, European specialists are ready to offer Poland one of their latest developments, which have already been tested and put into service, for example, the Aster anti-aircraft missile system currently used by France.

An interesting fact is that Lockheed Martin with the MEADS project does not intend to sit back. It is argued that in the event of a new change in the conditions of the competition, the American draft of the ABM system may again take part in it. For obvious reasons, it is not yet possible to talk about the resumption of participation in the competition, since too little time has passed since the last change in requirements.

According to current plans, eight launchers with medium-range interceptor missiles are planned to be deployed as part of the Vistula missile defense system. In the future, their number can be increased. In addition, the possibility of retrofitting the Vistula with short-range missiles, increasing its flexibility, is not excluded.

At the beginning of this year, the Polish authorities approved the proposal of the military to build their own missile defense system and provided funding for this program. The next few months will be used to finalize the projects submitted to the competition, analysis of proposals and summing up the results. The company, which, in cooperation with Polish specialists, will have to build a promising missile defense system, will be chosen at the beginning of 2015.


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Comments

[Rurikovich]

It can be seen that many Polish politicians are dealing with America with what we recently learned from the mouth of Sikorski. For he can only believe that the American missile defense in Poland is directed against the DPRK or Iran. Or are these 8 anti-ballistic missiles the guarantee of Poland’s freedom? It’s funny. Mocking and creeping has not brought anyone to good. But it can set against yourself. And then no missile defense will save

[Vadivak]

Quote: ....

The Polish missile defense construction program was called "Wisla".

Well, it is clear that not "Oder".

Quote: ...

Lockheed Martin with MEADS does not intend to sit back.

The US Department of Defense is well aware that the primary function of this missile defense is to cut the Pentagon’s budget, it’s most likely not to be adopted, it means it needs to be pulled in by someone, but to whom not to the Poles?

[MINSK 1965]

Not 8 missiles, but 8 systems. These are complexes that will make up the upper echelon, but there will also be complexes of near range and this is only the Polish component.
The fact is that the Americans, too, did not abandon the deployment by 2018. and their complexes. As for "sycophancy and groveling," no one calls such purchases of Russian complexes by Belarus. Each country has the right to purchase those weapons that it considers necessary if it is not under international sanctions and does not violate international law.

[Rurikovich]

Minsk 1965. Belarus purchases Russian weapons because the economy has been deeply integrated since the time of the Union to the same standards. And only people with a limited mind can shout that Western weapons are better. Maybe they are better (as they judge), only reworking the entire established supply and security system will completely destroy the RB of the Republic of Belarus. With regard to freedom of choice of weapons, Belarus does not purchase nuclear missiles from Russia as opposed to the Polish segment of the US missile defense system. And it is necessary to separate the grains from the chaff in terms of the one against whom the REAL defense systems are REALLY directed.
And even if the Polish government itself recognized that .... em in America, is there any need to doubt the obscurity and the creepy thing ???

[abc_alex]

Do not be confused. The missile defense system that is deployed in Eastern Europe, the United States USA. Only the USA and no one else. This is the third positional region, which makes it highly likely to intercept warheads sent across the United States from missile defense bases in the north of the country.

The Poles, on the other hand, are trying to blow out some kind of "national missile defense" from it is not clear, just not understanding what they are talking about. The effectiveness of the deeply echeloned US missile defense system is far from even 50%. Although the system costs dozens of times more than the Polish one. Even Moscow's missile defense system is much more numerous than the "8 complexes". Despite the fact that it relies on an early detection system and a fairly developed radar network. And literally guards the patch.

From a military engineering point of view buy "Missile defense of the country" is a utopia. There is not a single country in the world that has such a product.

But from a political point of view, buying a missile defense system of the country is an excellent reason to demonstrate loyalty and "Euro-Atlantic solidarity."

[qwert]

However, Belarusians are well aware that no one will jam them with missiles. Well, the country is in the wrong format, as is Poland. If they are afraid of Russia, in the sense that we will attack them, then I think that even in the present deplorable state of our country, we will have enough tanks to iron through Poland, while America will pull up the main forces by sea. They obviously flatter themselves expecting a nuclear strike ...
At the same time, they need to understand that protecting the interests of America and the US land from a possible nuclear strike, they really are asking for destruction.
Why do they need it? And by the way, the Poles alone are quite normal guys, but they were unlucky with politics throughout history

[Lelek]

Something Poles have been very worried about "Honduras" lately. Probably the Polish plumbers threw in the missile defense. Flag in hand and with the song: "America, America ...".

[MINSK 1965]

You have a very different opinion about the possibilities of Poland. In economic terms, they feel quite normal. Poland is the only country in the EU that has not reduced its GDP by one percent during all the years of the crisis. Even in the most difficult of 2008. when almost all EU countries sank, Poland had an economic growth. They spend a little less than 2% of GDP on defense. Such expenses are not critical for them at all.

[Professor]

The proposed Lockheed Martin project, which is only planned to be created, as well as the Israeli missile defense system, which has not yet been put into service, were dropped out of the competition due to non-compliance with customer requirements.

No. The Americans imposed a vetto on Raphael's participation because "American funding and technology were used in the development of the complex." Having received financial assistance for 3 billion a year (and with this money you can buy weapons in America itself, not Israel) Israel flew 13 billion. Free cheese however ...

Rafael also intended to participate in a competition with the David Sling complex, however, according to Reuters, the United States exerted strong pressure on the Israeli leadership to withdraw the company from the tender, which should increase the chances of success for American manufacturers.
Rafael suggests using the Stanner interceptor as part of Poland’s Wisla air defense / missile defense system

[Vadivak]

Quote: professor

Israel flew 13 billion.

Yes, there was an article. The USA did not let Poland hide with the "David's Sling"
The deal was disrupted under pressure from the United States, which impose its own missile defense system on Poland.

An interesting fact is the Israeli complex is equipped with American-made Raytheon missiles. And still, the famous American greed prevailed.

[Professor]

Quote: Vadivak

An interesting fact is the Israeli complex is equipped with American-made Raytheon missiles.

No. The Israeli complex is equipped with Russian-made missiles in the development of which there is a share of US funding and technology.

[Vadivak]

Quote: professor

The Israeli complex is equipped with Russian-made missiles in the development of which there is a share of US funding and technology.

I do not argue. I know that Raytheon has been working on missiles since 1945, with all the consequences

[Nayhas]

Quote: Vadivak

I do not argue. I know that Raytheon has been working on missiles since 1945, with all the consequences

That's only in the Patriot PAK-3 SAM, which performs the functions of the MIM-104F missile defense manufactured by LM, and not Raytheon.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Nayhas

That's only in the Patriot PAK-3 SAM, which performs the functions of the MIM-104F missile defense manufactured by LM, and not Raytheon.

Here at all did not understand, where does the patriot? we discussed Sharvit Ksamim "David's sling" Developed by the Israeli company Rafael together with the American company Raytheon

[Nayhas]

Quote: Vadivak

Here at all did not understand, where does the patriot? we discussed Sharvit Ksamim "David's sling" Developed by the Israeli company Rafael together with the American company Raytheon

Sorry, just when I sent a reference to Rayton's experience ... But Patriot is Rayton's brainchild ... Rayton is now more concerned with guidance systems, here the SAM is obviously Israeli ...

[Gray 43]

Another "memory knot" for the GOS missiles - this object will be a set-up for the Poles, the Czechs protested against the placement of elements of the US missile defense

[DanG73]

Against this background, I would like to once again say "thank you very much" to America for another canceled contract for the sale of an Israeli military-industrial complex (Poland, China, India).
If you calculate all the income and expenses of American aid, then Israel only loses from this.

[qwert]

It is pleasant to know that in Israel they understand the kind of "elder brother". It is not clear just why on this site they usually stand up for him with such patriotism?

[DanG73]

I’ve been reading this site for several years, although it’s only recently signed up, but in any case I didn’t notice that Israeli friends are vigorously defending America.
Well, personally, the older I get, the more annoying is the American policy to poke my nose in everything

[DanG73]

I’ve been reading this site for several years, although it’s only recently signed up, but in any case I didn’t notice that Israeli friends are vigorously defending America.
Well, personally, the older I get, the more annoying is the American policy to poke my nose in everything

[Pimply]

Quote: qwert

It’s not clear just why usually on this site they intercede for him with such patriotism?

Do not transfer your complexes and faith to the opinions of other people

[Barakuda]

Fools, why do they need it? Money nowhere to go? Poland kapets in any situation, they’ll get under the skating rink, God forbid nuclear.
Although, licking ass Uncle Sam - that is still a job ..

[Vadivak]

Quote: Barracuda

licking ass uncle sam - that is still a work ..

Do not lick ass Uncle Sam privilege probably only North Korea and the Gashi hill tribe in Nigeria

[Barakuda]

Well, not really, Hugo Chavez will add to this list.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Barracuda

I will add Hugo Chavez to this list.

Since March 5, 2013 this worthy person reports on the work done to the Lord.

[Pimply]

Quote: Vadivak

Do not lick ass Uncle Sam privilege probably only North Korea

It is very controversial, given the number of supplies of fuel oil and products from the United States to the DPRK

[Vadivak]

Quote: Pimply

It is very controversial, given the number of supplies of fuel oil and products from the United States to the DPRK

On December 13, 2002, the DPRK announced the resumption of its nuclear program and its intention to return to the construction of a nuclear reactor. The leadership of North Korea emphasized the forced nature of such a step in view of the cessation of the supply of fuel oil from the United States.
On July 24, 2004, the DPRK mass media published materials describing the US proposal to curtail the country's nuclear program in exchange for "fictitious" economic aid. "The US proposals are not worthy of further consideration," the DPRK leadership says.

Well and further in the same vein

RIA News

[knn54]

-tend two companies.
Ravshan and Jamshut ...

[voyaka uh]

I do not see anything wrong with the failure of the contract with Poland.
First of all, you need to 1) finish the "David's Sling" 2) put
Israel’s missile defense system 3) make at least a minimum
batteries to cover your territory.
And then to sell.

Although the David Sling is more suitable for the needs of Poland than
American complex - Israeli imprisoned for intercepting missiles
Short-range missiles flying along a low path (class Point)

[Nayhas]

Quote: voyaka uh

Although the David Sling is more suitable for the needs of Poland than
American complex - Israeli imprisoned for intercepting missiles
Short-range missiles flying along a low path (class Point)

In my MEADS just right.

[voyaka uh]

As I understand it, MEADS is a replacement for Patriot. Patriot (block 3)
able to shoot down missiles such as Scud, i.e. high flying medium-range BRs ..
In Israel, hez (Arrow) -2 deals with them - interception at the final site
and Hetz-3 - long-range interception of Scud and modern medium-range ballistic missiles.
The Hetz-2 is knocked down by an explosion, and the Hetz-3 - by a kinetic blow.

According to the MEADS tests, it is not clear what type of BR it managed to shoot down.

[abc_alex]

At the same time, it is not the Tochki but the Iskander with quasi-ballistic 6-flywheel missiles that pose a potential threat to Poland. And, potentially, with winged supersonic packets of the "Granat" type.
Or naval missile systems such as "Caliber".

The Poles have already screwed up at the concept stage.

[PSih2097]

Quote: abc_alex

Or naval missile systems such as "Caliber".

Well, why only sea, and these?

[padded jacket]

The system "David's Sling" is outdated already at its birth and is capable of shooting down only NURs flying along a ballistic trajectory (against poor countries and partisans). Modern hypersonic missiles and missiles actively changing their trajectory in the final flight phase, it is not able to shoot down.
"Points" have not been released for a long time, they are living out their last days.

[Professor]

Please, give examples of such "Modern hypersonic missiles and missiles actively changing their trajectory in the final phase of flight."
Also interested in what segment of the flight of the target is the system intercepting?

[qwert]

I know only one system with highly maneuverable hypersonic (5M) missiles. But this is the S-300 air defense system

[padded jacket]

Operational and tactical missile system 9K720 Iskander
The 9M723 missile is a solid fuel, single-stage missile with a warhead not detachable in flight. The missile is controlled along the entire flight path using aerodynamic and gas-dynamic rudders. The 9M723 flight path is not ballistic, but controllable. The rocket is constantly changing the plane of the trajectory. It is especially active in maneuvering in the area of ​​its acceleration and approach to the target - with an overload of 20 to 30g.
Hypersonic missiles either already exist or will be in the near future. And "David's Sling" will not be able to shoot them down.
Your system, at best, will intercept the ancient "Scud" and that is doubtful.
Poles against Russia, it is simply useless and even harmful (stupid waste of money)

[Professor]

Quote: quilted jacket

Hypersonic missiles either already exist or will be in the near future. And "David's Sling" will not be able to shoot them down.

You are an ignoramus and amateur. How fast do you think the ancient Scud is approaching its goal? And the point?

[padded jacket]

I do not know exactly how fast they fly, but Point and Scud fly along a ballistic trajectory and do not maneuver.
Hypersonic missiles will maneuver and will not fly along a ballistic trajectory.
Here are the key words: ballistic trajectory - your "miracle rocket" will not be able to meet the target at a given point if the target maneuvers and randomly selects the vector of its movement.
The computer of your misunderstanding called "David's Sling" simply will not know in which direction the rocket will fly the next second.

[Professor]

Quote: quilted jacket

I do not know exactly how fast they fly, but Point and Scud fly along a ballistic trajectory and do not maneuver.

A read laziness? Or religion does not allow materiel to study?

Quote: quilted jacket

The computer of your misunderstanding called "David's Sling" simply will not know in which direction the rocket will fly the next second.

For specialists like you, I will use your own method and explain on fingers. David's sling comes into the tail of Iskander and, at a third cosmic speed, experiencing 113 ji overloads knocks them astray. Now try to refute.

[padded jacket]

Again, you are talking about the same thing - once again, a rocket flies along a ballistic trajectory and the computer can calculate the moment it meets a missile defense - it does not maneuver. Here take a pebble and throw a ballistic missile as well. Do you understand?
David’s sling comes into the tail of Iskander; they made fun of her, she’s unlikely to even notice aphids unless Iskander explodes at the positions of this complex.
So it makes no sense for Poland to buy this slingshot against the Papuans, this is a "miracle weapon" only for Israel

[voyaka uh]

I wrote, if you reread carefully, not "Point" but "Point class": BR with a range of 300-400 km. Iskander is also included in this class. Although I am not suggesting that David's Sling is capable of intercepting him.
David's sling intercepts the BR in the middle, rather than the final flight section.

[padded jacket]

And I apologize, you just meant ballistic missiles, otherwise you indicated a range of 300-400 km. and "Tochka" even has "Tochka-U" 80-120 km. Then it’s like "Scud" and its derivatives. (Your neighbors do not have anything newer, only this antiquity of the 60s)

[voyaka uh]

Our neighbors: Iran, Pakistan have much more
more long-range and accurate medium-range ballistic missiles,
developed with the help of China and North Korea. A Hatz-3 is being deployed against them.
A short-range BR is in Lebanon and Syria. Against them
develop David's Sling. I gave an upper limit of 300-400 km,
and the neighbor, as you rightly pointed out, is 80-120 km.
Those. the entire range for the David Sling is (approximately) -from 80 to 400 km.

[padded jacket]

I read this- "David's Sling" is capable of hitting ballistic targets with a flight range of 70 to 300 kilometers.
All Iran and Pakistan’s liquid rockets are based on the Scud, although Pakistan’s are unlikely to reach you.

[Stypor23]

So the Americans will defend themselves, over the sky of Poland

[Signaller]

Well, the Poles give. They want to get a pill in the ass. It's like "without me, they married me." Iskander will get hit in the head in response to the use of missile defense missiles by the US command and then they will tearfully say: "We were attacked." In such cases, they say: "We must think." And the thought does not work for them, apparently because of their inadequate hatred of Russia.

[qwert]

If they install a missile defense system against ballistic missiles, they swarm to hammer them cruise. If they make an impenetrable zone for cruise missiles, they will have to iron the tank brigades. Poland is not Israel, and the neighbor is not Egypt. There are no options here. Here the smartest is FRIEND. At the same time, Russia does not mind !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[voyaka uh]

Poland is a country of NATO. They need to hold on their own before approaching.
English and American airborne units. Those. a month is another, no more.
And for this period, the missile defense "umbrella" will not hurt. Further Iskander and missile defense missiles
all the same, they will end - they are expensive, how many of them? ...

But, there is no doubt, it is best not to fight nuclear Russia, but to be friends, you are right.

[1536]

Indeed, the Russian proverb "Fear has big eyes" lives and wins. And all computer games are to blame. Only in a real war, the "Cancel" key is not and cannot be. In Russia, in my opinion, they understand this very well, and therefore Poland's actions seem to us somewhat ... strange.

[Dry_T-50]

They can build as many of their own missile defense systems as possible, but the guidance systems for these missile defense systems are located in Crimea. I don’t think that Aksyonov will agree to protect those who made him persona Non grata.

[qwert]

Quote: MINSK 1965

As for "sycophancy and groveling," no one calls such purchases of Russian complexes by Belarus.

However, Belarusians are well aware that no one will jam them with missiles. Well, the country is in the wrong format, as is Poland. If they are afraid of Russia, in the sense that we will attack them, then I think that even in the present deplorable state of our country, we will have enough tanks to iron through Poland, while America will pull up the main forces by sea. They obviously flatter themselves expecting a nuclear strike ...
At the same time, they need to understand that protecting the interests of America and the US land from a possible nuclear strike, they really are asking for destruction.
Why do they need it? And by the way, the Poles alone are quite normal guys, but they were unlucky with politics throughout history

[andrey682006]

Quote: professor

Please, give examples of such "Modern hypersonic missiles and missiles actively changing their trajectory in the final phase of flight."
Also interested in what segment of the flight of the target is the system intercepting?

I won't say about hypersound, but along the trajectory the same "Point" is quasi-ballistic with programmed trajectory change (4 flight programs, if I'm not mistaken). It flies on the border of dense layers of the atmosphere with an angle of attack, so the trajectory constantly changes within small limits.
In addition, after reaching an oblique range, the rocket tends to a direct trajectory, and not to a ballistic one. The result is a snake - a spiral around a straight oblique range.

[MINSK 1965]

Quote: Rurikovich

Minsk 1965. Belarus purchases Russian weapons because the economy has been deeply integrated since the time of the Union to the same standards. And only people with a limited mind can shout that Western weapons are better. Maybe they are better (as they judge), only reworking the entire established supply and security system will completely destroy the RB of the Republic of Belarus. With regard to freedom of choice of weapons, Belarus does not purchase nuclear missiles from Russia as opposed to the Polish segment of the US missile defense system. And it is necessary to separate the grains from the chaff in terms of the one against whom the REAL defense systems are REALLY directed.
And even if the Polish government itself recognized that .... em in America, is there any need to doubt the obscurity and the creepy thing ???

I did not quite understand the promise with nuclear weapons. But what ... does Poland buy nuclear missiles from the United States as opposed to the Republic of Belarus?

[1536]

But it would be good: Poland is a key member of the Warsaw Pact. Fraternal armies - The Polish and Russian armies reliably stand guard over the peace and tranquility of their countries and peoples, using advanced weapons and excellent combat training. Insolent invaders from across the ocean will not succeed in repairing provocations and breaking peace in Eastern Europe with impunity.
Alas, this can only be regretted, seeing on TV instead of all this retired general secretary, who today became like Lord Vader from the movie "Star Wars", when in the last episode he was removed from his helmet, and he admitted all his mistakes.

[Ramon Mercader]

the plants are fed with Russian gas, fueled with Russian gasoline and will beat the Russian territory

[ufa1000]

If a full-scale war begins, Poland will get the first number, I think this country will not exist as such, it was too painful for Russia to set itself up against it.

[P-36M]

One could call "One country claims to receive a preemptive strike by Iskander."