Forces DNR disarm people of the field commander Bes

According to the "RT in Russian", referring to assistant Alexander Boroday Sergey Kavtaradze, the forces of the Donetsk People's Republic withdrew fighters from the building of the department of internal affairs in the center of Donetsk of the unit, which are subordinate to the field commander Besler, nicknamed Bes.

“In the center of Donetsk, parts under the control of Bezler seized the regional department of internal affairs. This happened despite the fact that the administration is not in conflict with the republic, there are joint patrols. The Bezler units seized the building, ”Kavtaradze said.

According to him, after this building was surrounded by militants DNR.

“The prosecutor’s office opened a criminal case under article 278 of the RF Criminal Code in force in the DPR on the forcible seizure of power. An operation was carried out to clean up the building, ”said Beardai’s assistant.

He also noted that Bezler's troops could disarm.

“If they do not disarm, then they will be fought as if they were illegal armed groups. They have a main base in Gorlovka. There is a civil war with its inherent streak of forces, ”said Kavtaradze.

In addition, Kavtaradze shared details about death of the journalist Channel One Anatoly Klyana.

“Without coordination with us, an action was planned by the armed formations. Hiding behind a human shield, they went to expel the Ukrainians from the unit. People do not know how to fight, and the press service listened and, without coordinating with us, sent the journalistic fraternity to the unit along with the soldiers' mothers, ”he said.

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[shyler]

Only bickering among themselves was not enough!

[tokin1959]

lies, bullshit and provocation.

[70BSN]

100% duck !!! Dumb Media

[Alexan]

Only now Russian they echo. The network has already given a rebuttal, and Lifenews continued to cover ... There are things whose publication only harms the situation. And here is the war!

[Anper]

Quote: tokin1959

lies, bullshit and provocation.

"RT in Russian" gives a link to RIA Novosti. RIA Novosti has not a word about the laser in the eye of the Russian goalkeeper, and about Goa - not a word about Bezler.
There is LJ Сlonel Cassad, there is almost online news from New Russia - not a word about it.

[pokermen]

Not a fact.
Read here an article about the fight for the airport of Donetsk on behalf of the participant.
http://el-murid.livejournal.com/1901358.html
It openly speaks of betrayal on the part of just Khodakovsky, the "Pushilin" detachments of "Vostok".
And those 2 KAMAZs just shot their own ((Now the turn has come to Bezler’s turn

[Момент]

A centralized military point why not organized
The Kiev junta is waiting for internal disagreement, and this will weaken the militia.

[WKS]

Quote: Moment

“In the center of Donetsk, units under the control of Bezler captured the regional department of internal affairs. This happened despite the fact that the administration is not in conflict with the republic; there are joint patrols.

Something very contradictory messages about this shooting. "Russian Spring" gives the following message: "As of 15:00 (Kiev), 16:00 (Moscow time), the building of the regional headquarters of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the center of Donetsk, after the fighting, completely passed under the control of the militia.

Volunteers of the army of the Donetsk People’s Republic and soldiers of the Berkut special forces made the pro-Kiev Donetsk police officers and the Sokol special forces soldiers who had arrived earlier to strengthen them surrender.

The head of the UMVD Konstantin Pozhidaev and his deputies were captured. This was reported by the Ukrainian media with reference to sources in the Donetsk Regional Ministry of Internal Affairs. "

[Alekseev]

Quote: shyler

only bickering among themselves was not enough!

There can be no such thing ... unfortunately.
See the history of civil wars.

[Giant thought]

There was somehow information that there were mishandled Cossacks in the militia, and that at the crucial moment, they would oppose, and before that they would not give themselves away, now, probably, this is just that case.

[Sid.74]

“In the center of Donetsk, units under the control of Bezler captured the regional department of internal affairs. This happened despite the fact that the administration is not in conflict with the republic; there are joint patrols. Bezler’s units seized the building, ”said Kavtoradze.

I don’t believe it! And the Rifleman is cunning to say they don’t care what’s happening in Donetsk, because they were so rear and they said that the people loyal to Kiev were in the police department! Of course, the story is murky, but I wouldn’t write off Besler!

[Hariva]

The giant at least occasionally read the comments of other users. A rebuttal only on this thread has already been heard 10 times. And you scatter all the skeletons in the cabinets.

[tolian]

Yes it is. SBU is also on the alert. And so it will be. The most ridiculous rumors will be spread, everything will be depicted as confusion and vacillation in these republics. We must be more careful with the publication of such materials here.

[family tree]

Quote: shyler

Only bickering among themselves was not enough!

Bes, yesterday, he sent all this dill crap to the forest.

[roman72-452]

Yesterday it was and they gave a refutation of this article.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: roman72-452

Yesterday it was and they gave a refutation of this article.

And then a rebuttal to rebuttal came out. They picked up hell knows who, and that’s the result. Every bandit begins to imagine himself a cool politician.
For example, this former mayor has fixes "thieves' gates" such are made by lads from the criminal world.

[nvv]

And how are they all there all there different from each other? But talk about some kind of coup? I mean, they seized the building, turned everything upside down there, locked themselves in and yelled out the window "We made a coup!"

[European]

and to be honest, many didn’t go there to fight for new Russia \. and they would take off their sentences for a criminal offense. I don’t argue, there are a lot of ordinary people and patriots there, but there will be some elements that will show themselves if the new Russia wins. Better than in Kiev.

[nablydatel]

That is why Russia has nothing to do there. let them understand each other. and if Russia goes and puts it on Kukan then they will shout, the OCCUPIERS have come. as in the Baltic states.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

For example, this former mayor has fixes "thieves' gates" are made by brothers from the criminal world

Personally, this does not surprise me, I am not surprised by the appearance of these strange characters, I am not surprised by the squabble, the transformation of Ukraine into something like an African country where you know who the hell is fighting with whom. I am surprised by the journalists and the general direction of their reports, which sometimes changes as a team .There are real deaths of people, fear, flight of people, but we do not know the truth.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: baltika-18

I am surprised by the journalists and the general, sometimes changing as a team the focus of their reports

This, it doesn’t surprise me at all. Tell Putin on TV that he doesn’t exclude the possibility of entering the military and you will see how the reports change on TV. Patriotism will be flooded 24 hours a day.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

This, it doesn’t surprise me at all. Tell Putin on TV that he doesn’t exclude the possibility of entering the military and you will see how the reports change on TV. Patriotism will be flooded 24 hours a day.

And where is the human conscience? Or is it replaced with money? They, instead of conveying the real picture of events, do shows at the show, shove lies, often staged photos and videos.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: baltika-18

And where is the human conscience?

What, What, What? Kolya, get these evil thoughts about conscience out of your head. It’s been a long time since it all started to fall down on grass where conscience was.

[Ing40]

And the grass continues to grow! We read the statistics: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/01/07/2014/933931.shtml We merge slowly.

[Papakiko]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

All has long been grass grass where conscience was.

No no!
Where there was a conscience ... I grew up.
Well, in accordance with the size and quantity of the exchanged conscience was.
My regards

[boris-1230]

As one character put it: "Conscience is an economic concept: no money - no conscience! "

[Sid.74]

Quote: baltika-18

And where is the human conscience? Or is it replaced with money? They, instead of conveying the real picture of events, do shows at the show, shove lies, often staged photos and videos.

Well, by God, what a nonsense! High matters, truth and justice, politics was never fair and truthful! Politics is always a farce, deceit, silence and propaganda! Otherwise, this is not politics but childish pranks!

[INVESTOR]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: roman72-452

Yesterday it was and they gave a refutation of this article.

And then a rebuttal to rebuttal came out. They picked up hell knows who, and that’s the result. Every bandit begins to imagine himself a cool politician.
For example, this former mayor has fixes "thieves' gates" such are made by lads from the criminal world.

And me for this assumption cheered patriots.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: INVESTOR

And me for this assumption cheered patriots.

You need to argue, then there will be less minuses.

[70BSN]

Well, then in the Donbass there are a lot of people from the circles of the criminal world !!! Why be surprised.

[Papakiko]

Quote: 70BSN

Well, then in the Donbass there are a lot of people from the circles of the criminal world !!! Why be surprised.

You have to be surprised at such conclusions as yours.
Former ZK were forcibly forced and moved to Donbass?
NO and many times no!
The number of ZK in the Donbas is the average on the outskirts and stole there no more than in all other areas of the non-seasonal.
Therefore, grandmother does not need to shag and scatter Bendery aphorisms.

[70BSN]

Dear, Let's not exchange compliments!
And then you tell me, do you have relatives there ????? or who is the thread of loved ones ????
Former ZKs were forcibly forced and moved to Donbass? <I SAID WHERE THAT ???? or gave a reason to think !!!! If you really like to think, then figure out why I could write like that !!!!

P | S IF I WOULD YOU LOOSE, YOU WOULD BE TORRED !!!!

[70BSN]

Papakiko I expect an objective answer from you !!!!

[Same lech]

The armed forces should have an iron discipline than the Bolsheviks were famous for in the CIVIL WAR.

All anarchists, adventurers, robbers, crooks with weapons in their hands should be immediately disarmed and malicious shot according to the laws of wartime.

[mazhnikof.Niko]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

The armed forces should have an iron discipline than the Bolsheviks were famous for in the CIVIL WAR.

Where does the data about the iron discipline for which the Bolsheviks were "famous", including ?! In the civil war, "in different ways" and everyone (white, red, green) was, let's not write myths in "VO", all the more that which was not often!

[alicante11]

And among the "red" not only were the Bolsheviks. And they just had an iron discipline.

[tokin1959]

the forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic removed from the building of the region’s Internal Affairs Directorate in the center of Donetsk fighters of the unit subordinate to the field commander Bezler, nicknamed Bes.

just wrote on the previous thread - "Military Review" begins to retype fakes from the Censor.

this "news" has already been a DISCLAIMER.
dill this fake launched !!!!!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tokin1959

dill this fake launched !!!!!

According to Laif News and Vesti 24, too feik?

[yurik]

So there was infa that stormed the pro-Kiev police, now the attackers were not the ones

[Angro Magno]

Yesterday there was information that Demon had nothing to do with it, but all this was a provocation of the law-abductors.
What to believe?

[taburetka]

Infa checked, this was not!

[skylare]

I think that you should not give in to provocations. I do not believe that such stupid people are in the militia who can start a redistribution of territory in view of the Ukrop offensive. It is not clear only why this "information" has been sucked for the second day, if only yesterday a refutation was given?

[boris-1230]

This information should be carefully checked before publishing! Because a lie is also a weapon, only it does not hit the body, but the spirit, causing mistrust and despondency. Ukrov have excellent teachers: from Comrade Gebels to the State Department headed by Psaki. There is only one weapon against their lies - the TRUTH! During the Second World War, people gave their lives to check the information, and we are in a hurry to be the first to take a sip of dirt! Eastern wisdom says: "hurry slowly." Companions - be vigilant, check everything and trust only trusted sources of information, and, if possible, check it too ... It's easy to smear in the mud, and people believe bad things more easily. It is very difficult to wash it afterwards.

[Fevrrr]

Very strange information. This is what "Russian Spring" says http://rusvesna.su/news/1404258609

[European]

some video makes you smile! CAPTURE, the guys on the street Mouzon are listening, a man with a string bag drags home beer))) damn there, what is the lightning?

[vezunchik]

As of 15: 00 (Kiev), 16: 00 (Moscow time), the building of the regional main department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the center of Donetsk after the fighting completely came under the control of the militia.

Volunteers of the army of the Donetsk People’s Republic and soldiers of the Berkut special forces made the pro-Kiev Donetsk police officers and the Sokol special forces soldiers who had arrived earlier to strengthen them surrender.

The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Konstantin Pozhidaev and his deputies, were captured. This was reported by Ukrainian media with reference to sources in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Donetsk region.
Eyes hurt, hands got tired - Avakov led the ATO on Facebook ...

After that, the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov conducted a brilliant and lightning-fast special operation on his Facebook page and reported that law enforcement officers repelled the assault on the police department building in Donetsk.

“ATC in Donetsk was repelled. Waiting for alive. 4 wounded, one dead ... ”, he wrote on his page on the social network.
A little later, the press service of the Prokiev prosecutor’s office reported that the building of the regional main department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in the Donetsk region was under the control of representatives of the DPR militia, among the dead police officers were the officer in charge of the Organized Crime Control Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Donetsk Region, the number of victims was being established.

Advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko said that the premises could be completely vacated as a result of negotiations. Recall that today the soldiers of the army of the Donetsk Republic stormed the building of the regional and city police departments in Donetsk.

TOTAL: according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, as a result of the battle in the center of Donetsk, one Sokol special forces officer was killed, 7 policemen were injured.

A supporter of the junta, head of the regional administration, General Konstantin Pozhidaev and his deputies were taken to an unknown destination.

[kodxnumx]

Now there will be a lot of deaths, of course it will not do without fuss I think the leadership of the DPR will take all measures to prevent the house, the SBU is also awake and will make efforts to drive a wedge between the leaders who promise grandmas to whom, so keep your ears sharp guys!

[vezunchik]

and what do you want from our body ?? After all, it is organized by amers, like ukrpnoe ...

[vezunchik]

Received misinformation about the betrayal by the commander of the militia of Donbass.
Today in the center of Donetsk there is a battle between the militia of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) and the Ukrainian security forces.
“At the same time, misinformation was launched that Alexander Borodai and other leaders of the DPR declared our people (Bezler’s people) terrorists and ordered to be destroyed. Now our people have figured out everything.
In general, this looks like a desperate and unsuccessful attempt by Kiev to strike from within and cause, at least, discord among the leadership of the DPR and the militia in Donetsk, ”said the militia commander of Donbass.

[Performance]

This situation in Donetsk is very different from Lugansk, regular disinformation campaigns are very similar to the truth, it clearly flows from the inside, where is the work announced SMERSH?

[samuil60]

The natural confusion of civil war in the absence of a front line as such. The population is also ambiguous to all this. Many simply do not want to delve into anything or participate in anything - if only they would not be expelled. Plus a disinformation wave. May God grant the guys strength, courage and patience!

[inkass_98]

Provocations or not, but here's the fact: on the radio (Russian News Service) they recently said that Boroday insists on negotiations with the junta and agrees to retreat from "some demands" (it is not clear what) from Novorossiya. What's next?

[boris-1230]

Borodai himself said into the microphone? Or "Russian" news service OBS (One Granny Said)?

[pinecone]

A typical example of the subversive activities of enemy media.

The headline of the message:DNR forces disarm people of the field commander Bes


Phrase from the text: He also noted that the Bezler units can disarm.

[djtyysq]

Quote: shyler

Only bickering among themselves was not enough!

Power must be in the same hands! And if someone takes uncoordinated actions, he must understand that by doing so he only harms the overall victory. Strength in a fist, not in scattered fingers!

[Leprechaun]

Quote: Angro Magno

Yesterday there was information that Demon had nothing to do with it, but all this was a provocation of the law-abductors.
What to believe?

And the rebuttal yesterday was that BES did not go anywhere. Or the fakes are reprinted and there’s a complete mess in Donetsk.

[evilrussian]

It is already worth creating normal controls. And now everything is in words. How to manage people like that? Need your own police, prosecutors, military prosecutors, etc.

[werewolf]

Donetsk ... The period of atamanism seems to be over (almost). The Strelkovites had loyal units (so far we are talking about three battalions), which immediately began active operations. Donetsk repeats the actions of Lugansk with a monthly lag. Capture parts of explosives, APU located in the city. Dense blockade of the airport (disconnecting the latter from all communications). Donetsk is slowly turning from the "cesspool" of the uprising into the capital. Considering the city's powerful mobilization resource, this is a good help for Strelkov. And "saddling" Donetsk is a victory over any military operation to destroy dozens of enemy soldiers.

[gandalf]

Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky

And - God save you - do not read until dinner Ukrainian newspapers. Patients who do not read newspapers feel great. The same ones that I deliberately forced to read "Ukrainian Truth", - lost weight.

[gandalf]

Quote: http://da-dzi.livejournal.com/292920.html

At the same time, a misinformation was launched on the media, "that Boroday and others declared Bezler's people terrorists and ordered to destroy." Bezler's men went to investigate.
All Found out. Now will be catching moles and Kiev Svidomothat arranged it.

[boris-1230]

Quote: gandalf

Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky

And - God save you - do not read until dinner Ukrainian newspapers. Patients who do not read newspapers feel great. The same ones that I deliberately forced to read "Ukrainian Truth", - lost weight.

This is their brain shrinkage! And if you also jump under the well-known slogan, then brain shaking will also happen. Know how to lose weight!

[BOB044]

For whom the war is trouble for whom the mother is dear. There will always be those who want to share their benefits.

[DPZ]

it seems that only Lugansk-Slavyansk, led by Strelkov, will soon remain as a force capable of representing the interests of the people and defending the lands of New Russia. the rest even agree among themselves incapable. it’s just a betrayal, in wartime, pulling forces from an external enemy to internal showdowns.

[awg75]

but it’s a disaster ... when it’s kind of like they share their power with weapons IT IS TROUBLE

[nov_tech.vrn]

desa continues to live his life

[tokin1959]

and they discuss it with might and main, draw "conclusions".
information war and its victims.
Those who discuss "discord" in the DPR - go to the website of the Russian Spring, everything is told there.

[Bakht]

The fact that "Bes" is not quite adequate has been said for a long time. And the fact that his troops should be disarmed was also known for a long time. He has already had several incidents with Strelkov. Then, the role of "Bes" in the case of the removal of corpses from the airport is also not entirely clear. At the beginning of May, Strelkov claimed that "Bes" did not obey anyone and recruited real scumbags into his squadron. Constantly feeds the Ukrainian media to demonize Donetsk. Who finances it is unknown. But he has up to 2000 people who are engaged in robberies. Strelkov claimed that they were perfectly equipped. Despite the fact that the militia in Slavyansk do not have such equipment and there are only 120 of them (at the beginning of May). Beginning with its first appearance in Gorlovka and waving the license of a lieutenant colonel of the Russian army, "Bes" discredits the movement of the South-East.

Personally, the information about the clashes with the Bes detachments did not surprise me at all.

[nov_tech.vrn]

As of 15: 00 (Kiev), 16: 00 (Moscow time), the building of the regional main department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the center of Donetsk after the fighting completely came under the control of the militia.

Volunteers of the army of the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Berkut special forces forces forced the Donetsk police to surrender and the Sokol special forces soldiers who had previously arrived to strengthen them

[novel68rus]

just desa .. not until then they are there now so that the power to share

[atalef]

Quote: novel68rus

just desa .. not until then they are there now so that the power to share

Believe me, for what, for what, and there is always time for this, read Strelkov’s reports,

I. I .: "Yes, in Donetsk forever -" then diarrhea, then scrofula. "Honestly, I have long been tired of hearing any news from there - they are constantly negative and completely about swarms, squabbles and" sharing the skin of an unkilled bear. " in the face of an attacking enemy, this is “the very thing.” We will not interfere. Personally, I don’t give a damn about who’s going to be in Donetsk’s “main”, if only there was ONE main. Although Bes, even Khodokovsky, even someone else. Medvedchuk somehow completely disagree ...
To bring order to Donetsk, we need another battalion (along with me). To remove such forces from the front is impossible. In addition, "restoring order" will result again in shooting and quarreling. And the consequences for the DPR will be the most negative both on the military and on the foreign policy front. "

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

Believe me, for what, for what, and there is always time for it

Sanya, let's go to Donetsk, there’s a ball to become the Governor, or the mayor. Porulim, while someone else doesn’t want to become the governor and will not overthrow us in FIG

[andrewvlg]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sanya, let's go to Donetsk, there’s a ball to become Governor, well, or mayor

What are you carrying? Which governor is a republic. If there is a chance to restore order in the DPR, go, and the fact that there may be semi-criminal showdowns is not at all funny, especially against the background of the suffering of ordinary citizens.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: andrewvlg

If there is a chance to restore order in the DNI - go

Why aren’t you there yet?

Quote: andrewvlg

and the fact that there may be semi-criminal showdowns is not funny at all

That's just the point, that is ridiculous, write-go yourself and put things in order, a question WHERE to bring up? I’m not a thief in law, I don’t have authority. Half of our politicians are ordinary fellows, and where there is chaos, there is generally 90% of it at the helm. Such as Gubarev.

[andrewvlg]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Such as Gubarev.

Is Gubarev a bandit, brother? I haven’t heard any accusations against him, but nothing has been confirmed. In particular, he was accused of being a member of RNE Barkashov, but it turned out - this was said by a single journalist the day after meeting with Gubarev. As proof, he cited a leaflet scan (!).

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: andrewvlg

Is Gubarev a bandit, brother?

And who is he a politician? There are five such politicians in your entrance at each site.
Take at least one who is accepted in Moscow. Gubarev is not on this list, he is a temporary worker, of which there are many at the stage of revolution.

[andrewvlg]

And who is he a politician?

You claim that he is supposedly a bandit, brother. Reasonably give some evidence. Otherwise, it looks somehow strange and even ugly.

Take at least one who is accepted in Moscow. Gubarev is not on this list.

Can you give a link to this list? Or explain what it is about.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Is Gubarev a bandit, brother?
And who is he a politician?

Gubarev is a professional artist, in fact, a bearded political scientist, a special forces shooter, reconstructor, a writer, Berezin,
Pushilin is a network manager.
When the boiler is boiling, a foam always pops up first, which, if not removed on time, can ruin the broth very much. The question is who will remove this foam. Will there be someone or visitors?

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: andrewvlg

If there is a chance to restore order in the DNI - go

Why aren’t you there yet?

Quote: andrewvlg

and the fact that there may be semi-criminal showdowns is not funny at all

That's just the point, that is ridiculous, write-go yourself and put things in order, a question WHERE to bring up? I’m not a thief in law, I don’t have authority. Half of our politicians are ordinary fellows, and where there is chaos, there is generally 90% of it at the helm. Such as Gubarev.

By the way, do you remember when at first they wrote that he was just a local urka - how the people were indignant (only it’s not Gubarev, but Ponomarev) - although they are all one gang

[atalef]

Quote: andrewvlg

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sanya, let's go to Donetsk, there’s a ball to become Governor, well, or mayor

What are you carrying? Which governor is a republic. If there is a chance to restore order in the DPR, go, and the fact that there may be semi-criminal showdowns is not at all funny, especially against the background of the suffering of ordinary citizens.

And what, we with Sanya (Romanov) - put things in order

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: atalef

Believe me, for what, for what, and there is always time for it

Sanya, let's go to Donetsk, there’s a ball to become the Governor, or the mayor. Porulim, while someone else doesn’t want to become the governor and will not overthrow us in FIG

Hi Sanya.
And who will knock on the clave?
At a computer with a buter and coffee - to fight is much more pleasant (to me at least)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

And who will knock on the clave?

How is it that someone is a pretty secretary of course. She writes a comment, shows you the text, and you erase Smailik and send

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: atalef

And who will knock on the clave?

How is it that someone is a pretty secretary of course. She writes a comment, shows you the text, and you erase Smailik and send

The same option, only mine, the secretary is terrible and old, and she doesn’t cut it in Russian

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

my secretary is terrible and old,

And what can not be changed?

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: atalef

my secretary is terrible and old,

And what can not be changed?

impossible, she is in the state of permanent workers, and for what? From the point of view of work, there is no claim, so he will retire .... they will send some other grymzu to Seyravno

[alicante11]

read Strelkov’s bulletins,

And since when did you start to believe "unsubstantiated information". About the chemical weapons of the shooters he lies, but about the "demon" he does not lie. You will decide. In addition, Strelkov is not aware of the situation. The reports say that there was no connection with Donetsk. And your quote doesn't say anything specific. There is no confirmation that this is a "demon".

[atalef]

Quote: alicante11

read Strelkov’s bulletins,

And since when did you start to believe "unsubstantiated information". About the chemical weapons of the shooters he lies, but about the "demon" he does not lie. You will decide. In addition, Strelkov is not aware of the situation. The reports say that there was no connection with Donetsk. And your quote doesn't say anything specific. There is no confirmation that this is a "demon".

Yes, I have already decided for a long time - everyone lies there

[alicante11]

Then why "read Strelkov's reports"?
Well, at the expense of "everyone". they don't judge everyone by themselves.

[djtyysq]

Quote: tokin1959

lies, bullshit and provocation.

In your opinion, it turns out that the assistant Beard is lying?

[atalef]

Quote: djtyysq

Quote: tokin1959

lies, bullshit and provocation.

In your opinion, it turns out that the assistant Beard is lying?

Only truth

[CONTROL]

when I was there - more than a month ago ... already then I sensed something in one place ... hoped - it seems. and now I hope that ukroSMI lie ...

[MahsusNazar]

On Monday, the day of the death of cameraman Klyan, his wife took a glass and, for the first time, raised a "third toast".
The children stood silently ... But I drank and thought that what was happening was scary. It’s scary because a woman in a peaceful country, in peacetime, in a peaceful profession (Channel 1 worker) drinks for her fallen comrades ...
Kingdom of heaven to you, Uncle Tolya

[Frate]

Quote: baltika-18

And where is the human conscience? Or is it replaced with money? They, instead of conveying the real picture of events, do shows at the show, shove lies, often staged photos and videos.

Whoever has a conscience, he does his own thing, and does not go into politics. The Russian philosopher Solonevich also spoke about this. A striking example of our days is Leonid Roshal, a pediatric surgeon. He refused the minister's portfolio, probably not out of modesty. The political power has never had such an organ as conscience. At the first symptoms of mental imbalance, this organ was removed operatively, like an appendix, sometimes together with the body.) Do not forget that journalism is the second oldest profession. The correspondent obtains information - the dough from which the authorities bake pies for us, adding seasonings to their liking and understanding. And the operator, as I already wrote about this, is a forced man - where he takes the rabid young correspondent, he is obliged to follow there, and no arguments will help. Otherwise: accusation of disrupting information material. And - dismissal. Anatoly Klyan (Heavenly Kingdom to him!) Was a highly professional and very obedient worker. I think if our government had a drop of conscience (a drop!), Then people would have a decent pension, and a person at 68 would not have to hump with a heavy "Sonya" on his shoulders on "hot" and not hot spots!

[Irokez]

Quote: FREGAT

Anyone who has a conscience is engaged in his own business, and does not go into politics.

There are other cases when a person, seeing lawlessness and a mess, tries to reach high places in order to try (I repeat try), to do something for the good of others. But as it was rightly said already about conscience and politics, even after getting there he will not be able to realize all his desires, not because he did not want to realize them, but because it is simply impossible to realize everything in the given current conditions.
And it turns out this way because the rules of management at the top do not work 100% according to the principle of life of the lower classes (by conscience), although not everyone lives by conscience in ordinary life (among people). And what do we have in the end? And the fact that the leader is faced with a choice of what to do when one group of people requires one thing, another another, the third expects inaction, and the fourth is on the verge of survival, and then the principle "Choose the lesser of two evils" works and this is a deliberately losing and unpopular action for some group who are offended by this action and put pressure on the psyche and conscience of the leader accusing him of venality and lack of conscience. There is hype in the press, rumors, gossip, and the leader who was looking for a way out of the least evil always turns out to be bad. And here you are talking about a conscience that simply cannot be applied simultaneously to all groups of people.
There is a good saying "Not to please everyone." But on the other hand, it is necessary to operate not with conscience for the leader (everyone undoubtedly has it), but with his wisdom and foresight in relation to the future. Ultimately, we are building a bright future by sacrificing something in the present.
Before throwing highly spiritual words such as the conscience and venality of leaders (this is, but not for everyone), first think about how you would act in their place when you need to act in conscience and please everyone who asks. Only God could feed everyone with one piece of bread.
There is one more saying "The regulation obliges", but what is meant by that? And it is understood that when you are not burdened with anything and do not occupy any posts, you are free in your views, desires and actions, but when you have taken some kind of leadership chair, then certain restrictions and work rules are immediately imposed on you associated with your official duties and responsibilities ... And here you are already not free because ordinary citizens are free. And now you must fulfill all the aspirations and whims of every free citizen while sitting in an unfree place in a limited space, and if you offend at least one free citizen, you will receive verbal gratitude and the label of the most just official.
I wish you success in leadership positions.

[argon]

Quote: Werwolf

Donetsk ... The period of atamanism seems to be over (almost). The Strelkovites had loyal units (so far we are talking about three battalions), which immediately began active operations. Donetsk repeats the actions of Lugansk with a monthly lag. Capture parts of explosives, APU located in the city. Dense blockade of the airport (disconnecting the latter from all communications). Donetsk is slowly turning from the "cesspool" of the uprising into the capital. Considering the city's powerful mobilization resource, this is a good help for Strelkov. And "saddling" Donetsk is a victory over any military operation to destroy dozens of enemy soldiers.

Your words to God in the ears.

[Aslan]

We forget that this is a PERSONALITY, and not a military unit with a charter of length of service and unity of command, therefore, as in Civil, each village has its own chieftain, and our hut is a bit off the edge. It's sad and bitter that this is so, and I think this is one of the reasons why dill is still can hope for something there.

[Bakht]

It is very likely that Bezler will go over to the side of Kiev. Together with his squad. The Ukrainian media have already spread the news that a large group of "terrorists" is going to go over to the side of the ATO troops. Also, information has already appeared in the Ukrainian media that Bezler did not shoot anyone and was not a terrorist at all, but his boyfriend.

So far this is all from the realm of speculation. Can anyone give information on what battles the Bes squad participated in?

[uhu189]

It is somehow very doubtful that this is even possible. He is just an implacable opponent of the current Ukrainian government. Before, the whole of Donetsk shushara will cross over than he. In what battles he participated - he met information precisely that the attack on the block post in Volnovakha was his work. There were references that it was his detachment that was constantly attacking columns of Ukrainian troops west of Donetsk, but without specifics of course. I read that the 2 of the tank came to Slavyansk just from Gorlovka, as before the 120mm mortars (it’s naturally impossible to verify this, maybe someone can confirm it on the forum).

[Dart_Veyder]

And the BBC says, http://bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2014/07/140701_donetsk_attack_police_dep
artmento did not take the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

[Nyrobsky]

I do not think that if the security forces were loyal to the DPR, they would not have barricaded themselves and fired back, would have sat at the table, rubbed them and dispersed. And here, when Porosenko resumed the ATO, to have armed forces behind him, something like comme il faut. Maybe there was a calculation to bring confusion into the ranks of the militia and the leadership of the DPR, having arranged a provocation with the security forces - they’ll figure it out.

[sever.56]

Even a discussion of this topic already plays into the hands of enemies. The feuds are now useless. Only joint, under a single command, struggle will bring success. And nobody canceled the information war.

[Wolka]

however misunderstandings happen as elsewhere

[deadj]

Cheto did not understand and this site has already been broken? It seems like the news about "supposedly" showdowns between the militia in Donetsk is disinformation from dill sim.
Admin au, good coffee blow and secretary sniff, check your Java scripts.

[Maksim...]

I just can’t find information from official sources of the DPR about this.
I suspect that it all started with this: http://rusvesna.su/news/1404258609

[yacht]

I am sure this is desa! I will try to argue:
1. Bezler is not based in Donetsk, but if I'm not mistaken in Gorlovka.
2. By the forces that Bezler has, he is not able to seize power in Donetsk
3. Only a stupid one will climb into a city building in Donetsk with a small detachment, where it will inapplicably be blocked and destroyed.
4, If I wanted to go to ukram, then in this case it would be easier to pass Horlivka.

[DPZ]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

For example, this former mayor has fixes "thieves' gates" such are made by lads from the criminal world.

yes it shows that bandos. maybe for this and broke up. dare-boldness and other traits of character threw overnight. maybe at that stage and needed one. otherwise there would be anarchy like dill.
By the way, where is he now? showed that the arrested was sitting. but somehow I can’t believe that he is alive ...

[deadj]

Fixes (false teeth in the jargon, mostly bronze) were set not only by authorities, but by anyone who could steam out a couple of packs of tea. Belonging to the authorities showed not fixes but tattoos.

[Eydolon]

In the present revolution, things are inevitable

[gregor6549]

Of course, this, like any other information published by the media of both sides should be treated with great caution, since in war and not only in it, the lack of specific and accurate knowledge is often replaced by an excess of "enthusiasm"
On the other hand, I don’t see anything unusual in the fact that "inside" the militias is fighting. This happened more than once, for example, in the same Tiraspol, about which I had first-hand information, and not from newspapers or TV. I have it in Ukraine too, because many of my old friends and colleagues (both Ukrainians and Russians) live there with whom I try to keep in touch. So everything is as usual. Someone lays down their lives defending the opportunity to live and die standing, and not on their knees, and someone, taking advantage of the lack of order in the conflict zone, rob, rape and ruin all attempts to find a compromise and somehow make peace. After all, all sane people on both sides of the barricades have long understood that apart from mass casualties nothing good will come of this war and cannot come out. And no entry of the Russian Armed Forces can improve the situation. That can worsen by 100%. As well as the endless anti-Ukrainian hysteria on this and other "strongly patriotic" sites.

[Leshka]

what for themselves to fight with themselves

[boris-1230]

"According to RT in Russian, with reference to Aleksandr Borodai's assistant Sergei Kavtoradze, the forces of the Donetsk People's Republic have withdrawn from the building of the regional department of internal affairs in the center of Donetsk the fighters of the unit subordinate to the field commander Bezler nicknamed Bes.

As it is not serious there, here in Chechnya - every field commander is a "brigadier general". It sounds solid and looks beautiful in print. It's time to assign ranks to our commanders, for example: Shooters - General of the Army of Novorossiya! Sounds! For each shot down plane or turntable - an asterisk, for an armored personnel carrier or BMP - a stripe. The stimulus will appear.