The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 30 June 2014

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However, hello! Even such very contradictory peace initiatives of Poroshenko caused a real emotional breakdown in the Ukrainian Natsik. The degree, one might say, of the excitement that engulfed them, was exhibited by the ex-Minister of Defense of Ukraine in a very peculiar way on television.

“Can anyone imagine, for example, that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow Putin arrives in Kiev and signs something with us? Can you imagine such a thing? I cannot. I think that there would simply be patriots who would just kill he would have done it right! ", said Anatoly Gritsenko on the air of a talk show on one of the Ukrainian TV channels.

In order to kill their compatriots, the fearless warrior Gritsenko, like the entire Ukrainian army, is forced to drive himself into exaltation, somewhat unusual for the Minister of Defense of a European country, even the former.

The incumbent president Poroshenko, who was elected practically by consensus on the nationalist part of Ukraine, has to fear the Nazi thugs who became the armed detachment of the Ukrainian revolution, fear the Ukrainian oligarchs who ordered and brought down the fragile Ukrainian statehood, the same Putin who, after all, is strictly and consistently defending Russian statehood.

“The so-called volunteer battalions - Donbass, Dnepr, Aydar — formed with the money of the Dnepropetrovsk governor, oligarch and swindler Kolomoisky, and Maidan activists picketed the administration of the President of Ukraine, demanding the continuation of the war to the bitter end in eastern Ukraine.

“I am ready to conclude an agreement on peace with anyone,” Poroshenko said on CNN, sometimes Mr. Putin’s position is quite pragmatic, sometimes very emotional. I try to find a moment when he is more pragmatic than emotional.

In the context of Ukrainian politics, the remarks on Putin’s emotion look somehow not quite appropriate. In Ukraine today, emotions have supplanted not only politics, but also the economy. Evidence of which is the signing of a mad association agreement with the European Union.

At the same time, under the feet of poor Poroshenko, the country, the army, and the security forces are simply leaving. Ukraine is turning into Eastern European Somalia, in which there will eventually be five private armies or gangs, and oligarchic patrimonies under their control. The only thing that sticks together this Bandera-Kolomoischyna is Russophobic hysteria, inflated by delusional Ukrainian propaganda, the victim of which even the fearless Ukrainian generals become.

"If someone gives orders, and here after these orders go flamethrowers that say" Greetings from Russia, "Grad multiple launch rocket systems that destroy everything, Tanks, armored personnel carriers, guns, systems that shoot down our planes and helicopters, destroy everything in a row ... ", said Anatoly Gritsenko.

What are the Grads ?! Do the militias ?! Yes, if they had Grads, Gritsenko would long ago have been broadcasting from Canada, and not from Kiev! Indeed, "with greetings ..."
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  1. +17
    1 July 2014 06: 38
    They are afraid of their own, they are afraid of militias, they are afraid that they will not give loans, they are afraid of Russia. So it’s not far from madness.
    1. nvv
      nvv
      +2
      1 July 2014 06: 46
      Oh don't tell, fear has big eyes.
      1. +5
        1 July 2014 07: 36
        What are the Grads ?! Do the militias ?! Yes, if they had Grads, Gritsenko would long ago have been broadcasting from Canada, and not from Kiev! Indeed, "with greetings ..."

        What Gritsenko is still .... no words! Wild Kiev ancient Ukrainian!
        1. +6
          1 July 2014 07: 59
          Quote: Sid.74
          What are the Grads ?! Do the militias ?! Yes, if they had Grads, Gritsenko would long ago have been broadcasting from Canada, and not from Kiev! Indeed, "with greetings ..."

          What Gritsenko is still .... no words! Wild Kiev ancient Ukrainian!

          "Which and the Black Sea" dug out "," dumps "in the form of the Caucasus (well," giants "are simple! wassat And the pyramids were "built" - the Egyptians, in the sense, the ancients, and the same Cheops, and other different pharaohs - "move over", "your regiment has arrived!" Dill! You yourself are not ashamed to listen to this nonsense, or does it "amuse" your "national identity" ?! Well, then to all of you, in formation, under the chant - dill bacon, bacon to heroes! - to a psychiatrist, yes, yes! you will be "cured" there, this is their "profile"! And whoever "broke away" from the "herd" and "rushes" to "prove" something in the SE - so a bullet "fool"! By the way, "aniki-warriors" leaving for the SE! Have you forgotten to take "corpse bags" with you ?! Maybe yes it WILL BE USED! In what "home" will you "twirl" ?! laughing
          1. +6
            1 July 2014 20: 14
            Quote: asar
            "Who and the Black Sea" dug up "," dumps "in the form of the Caucasus (well, the" giants "are simple! "your regiment has arrived"!

            they were taught that way
        2. SSR
          +10
          1 July 2014 08: 19
          Quote: Sid.74
          What are the Grads ?! Do the militias ?! Yes, if they had Grads, Gritsenko would long ago have been broadcasting from Canada, and not from Kiev! Indeed, "with greetings ..."

          What Gritsenko is still .... no words! Wild Kiev ancient Ukrainian!

          Do you remember the compads as we were worried that the situation in Ukraine would be ala Libya, Syria? So - our "forecasts" for today did not come true - maydanutye dill do not shout Alla, I am in the bar, but they shout bacon to the heroes! And in all other respects a copy, what can I say if the leader of the African republic says that it is impossible to slide down to the level of Ukraine.
          1. +4
            1 July 2014 08: 39
            Quote from S.S.R.
            what can I say if the leader of the African republic says that you can not slide down to the level of Ukraine.

            Yes, yes! I will do everything so that Somalia does not turn into Ukraine !!! laughing
            1. +6
              1 July 2014 20: 18
              Quote: Sid.74
              Yes, yes! I will do everything so that Somalia does not turn into Ukraine !!!

              the new motto of the outskirts, catch up and surpass Somalia smile
          2. +1
            1 July 2014 08: 49
            Well, if the head of Somalia "says this", then I just PURPLE from dill! "Dill" has arrived, then only "below the plinth"!
        3. oplot112
          +1
          1 July 2014 10: 30
          nevertheless, the militia have a couple of captured Grad SZOs, there have been reports of their seizure of installations. Although there have also been reports of the seizure of about 200 tanks in Artemovsk, in fact only the Nona and the IS-3 are still fighting.
          1. +1
            1 July 2014 11: 39
            Quote: oplot112
            but in fact only the Nona and the IS-3 are at war.

            There was a message recently about a tank attack of 2's tanks, like near Slavyansk!
            I forgot where I read! That is, not only the IP is at war!
        4. oplot112
          +2
          1 July 2014 10: 30
          nevertheless, the militia have a couple of captured Grad SZOs, there have been reports of their seizure of installations. Although there have also been reports of the seizure of about 200 tanks in Artemovsk, in fact only the Nona and the IS-3 are still fighting.
    2. +2
      1 July 2014 07: 48
      Yes, they are all sick for a long time! Well, what to take with the abnormal ?! Just crazy nonsense!
    3. +5
      1 July 2014 07: 59
      Quote: Moment
      .So madness is not far away.

      So there all from ward No. ... starting with those brains and ending with those who ... with lack thereof ... Although rather like this:
      1. 0
        1 July 2014 08: 58
        S.U.K.I - "Patriot"!
    4. +1
      1 July 2014 08: 01
      Hmm ... The Nazis were intoxicated by their impunity !!! So let them be afraid !!!
      1. +2
        1 July 2014 08: 51
        We warn you right away - the brine will not be "isolated" for "drunk"! "Get out" yourself!
    5. +1
      1 July 2014 08: 25
      Quote: Moment
      They are afraid of their own, they are afraid of militias, they are afraid that they will not give loans, they are afraid of Russia. So it’s not far from madness.


      Yes, they have long been crazy. It is unlikely that a normal person will dig his own grave of his own free will, and they only do this. Moreover, not only are they digging for themselves, they also want to bury the whole country.
    6. +1
      1 July 2014 09: 41
      Parashenko got down with a bucket
      and went into politics ...
      There is no president more beautiful:
      I ate very well!

      Chocolate eaten
      For more than 20 years,
      That’s why in speeches it’s so sweet
      Like a whole pound of sweets.
    7. +1
      1 July 2014 09: 50
      Soon the whole junta will end! Thanks to Slavyansk, thanks to Strelkov, it all started with him, and now it’s definitely not to stop while there is a Maidan, while there is a right sector, while there are downs in the Ukrainian government. The cure is near.
      Soon, Europe itself will understand what it got into, and with whom they decided to play =)
    8. 0
      1 July 2014 09: 51
      Soon the whole junta will end! Thanks to Slavyansk, thanks to Strelkov, it all started with him, and now it’s definitely not to stop while there is a Maidan, while there is a right sector, while there are downs in the Ukrainian government. The cure is near.
      Soon, Europe itself will understand what it got into, and with whom they decided to play =)
    9. 0
      1 July 2014 12: 20
      All the Kiev fascist junta "with greetings."
    10. +5
      1 July 2014 20: 13
      Quote: Moment
      .So madness is not far away.

      and the Maidan with jumps is crazy
  2. +5
    1 July 2014 06: 39
    they will soon say that Russia supplies ballistic missiles to New Russia laughing
    1. nvv
      nvv
      +4
      1 July 2014 06: 50
      I am sure that after reading your koment, it will be so.
  3. +5
    1 July 2014 06: 46
    Greetings to all! That's what you can’t observe because of the emotions on the part of the GDP on the issue of New Russia; unlike the Kiev junta and law enforcement officers led by the USA. From Russia only a cold head and a warm heart, - school something SOVIET but.
    1. +1
      1 July 2014 07: 37
      Quote: name
      Russia has only a cold head and a warm heart - a SOVIET school, however.

      Say the truth! Yes
  4. +2
    1 July 2014 06: 47
    “Can anyone imagine, for example, that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow Putin will fly to Kiev and sign something with us? it would be rightly done! "

    this is how it is necessary to hate us to Amerzikan and Uuukrainian personalities in order to push it into the firebrands and say, padriods ml ...
    1. Semurik
      0
      1 July 2014 11: 02
      another "Drishchitsa" ... only bloodthirsty .... sss bitch ... (
  5. +3
    1 July 2014 06: 50
    It means obor ...

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/175/vdwz827.jpg
    1. 0
      1 July 2014 08: 55
      He probably has nothing to eat .... Suhpay humanitarian has long ended ...
  6. +4
    1 July 2014 06: 50
    However, in today's convocation, Ukraine is END !!!
  7. +7
    1 July 2014 06: 56
    When, finally, they will diagnose this and begin to treat what I no longer have the strength to wake up with the news from the open!
  8. +1
    1 July 2014 06: 58
    Hello! I have a feeling that not all radiation has eroded from Ukraine after Chernobyl.
  9. +3
    1 July 2014 07: 02
    "If someone gives orders, and here, after these orders, there are flamethrowers with the words" Greetings from Russia "," Grad "multiple launch rocket systems that destroy everything, tanks, armored personnel carriers, guns, systems that shoot down our planes and helicopters, destroying everything ... "

    Whether it will still be, when Putin's cavalry rushes in, with sabers on the head and shouting "I will chop, you bastards!", Will begin to knock out debts.
  10. lord
    0
    1 July 2014 07: 04
    The fact that Ukraine, as the state of the khan, has long been understood. But how many more people these raging dogs will lay down - that is the question! Russia's position of non-interference is gradually beginning to strain. After all, the further, the more victims there will be, and then NATO will introduce "peacekeepers" and everything will repeat itself, as in Yugoslavia! Will Russia be watching again? - I do not understand!
  11. -4
    1 July 2014 07: 12
    All this is wonderful and interesting, but I have already become skeptical about the "However" team. I understand that today's people are demanding more and more "positivics", and Leontyev is giving it. At the same time, Leontyev persistently insists on the mantra "America-wants-to-incite us", ignoring all common sense. The entire team "However" is hysterical against the introduction of troops. Although no one asks them to be introduced, we simply ask stupidly for a day or two to smash the junta formations in Novorossiya from the air. And none of those singing about "America-wants-to-incite us" can object ANYTHING to this, but simply keeps silent and avoids the answer WHAT WILL BE.
    No one believes in the existence of overt pests in power, which merge New Russia.
    Let me remind you: Guys, where is our payment system ?! Already 3 months have come out. Where is the movement ?! As far back as 3 a month ago it was written that PRO100 is Gref's pure wrecking. Specially muddied, so that later nothing happens. Now Siluanov is grunting about the usefulness of a visa / mastercard ...
    So where is the payment system in Russia, I ask ?!

    Sorry, but I don’t trust Leontiev and However. They are a smoke screen over the discharge of New Russia!
    1. +2
      1 July 2014 07: 14
      Quote: Magadan
      nobody asks them to enter, we ask just stupidly for a day or two from the air to break up the junta formations in New Russia

      All of this bothered me too am But how to gouge it?
    2. -6
      1 July 2014 07: 47
      Quote: Magadan
      The whole team "However" is hysterical against entering

      Not surprisingly, Leontiev works for Sechin, for some reason it’s not interesting to lose the loot as a result of some active actions, in general I suspect oil and gas in Russia, and Putin is a prince-consort
    3. +5
      1 July 2014 09: 56
      The entire team "However" is hysterical against the introduction of troops. Although no one asks them to be introduced, we simply ask stupidly to smash the junta formations in Novorossiya from the air in a day or two. And none of those singing about "America-wants-to-incite us" can object NOTHING to this, but simply keeps silent and avoids the answer WHAT WILL BE.

      You do not know what will happen? I’ll tell you - there will be a war and, judging by your age, you can very well be on it and lay your head there or, even worse, become a disabled cripple. Do not bother yourself with domestic payment systems and use those that are. The main thing is that you have a stable job and a salary that you can live on. The president has someone to advise and help, and if Russia has not yet entered into a direct military conflict, then so far everything is being done right.
    4. Semurik
      0
      1 July 2014 11: 09
      Quote: Magadan
      So where is the payment system in Russia, I ask ?!


      Nabiulina recently said that in 1,5 (!!!) years !!!
  12. +3
    1 July 2014 07: 24
    “Can anyone imagine, for example, that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow Putin arrives in Kiev and signs something with us? Can you imagine such a thing? I cannot. I think that there would simply be patriots who would just kill he would have done it right! ", said Anatoly Gritsenko on the air of a talk show on one of the Ukrainian TV channels.

    I wonder how Psaki would have commented on this opus? Something like this: "We have control over the patriotic sentiments of the democratic forces in Ukraine."
    1. +1
      1 July 2014 09: 52
      I wonder how Psaki would have commented on this opus? Something like this: "We have control over the patriotic sentiments of the democratic forces in Ukraine."

      But I'm still going to clarify laughing
  13. +3
    1 July 2014 07: 25
    This is not the same Gritsenko who was a minister in a binge for a week, if we drink like that we will also hear from him, especially from a hangover, they are all there along the way, the national guards and Bandera’s are eating drugs, from someone instead of brains by nature filings and these people occupy such high posts in government, however tin however.
  14. +1
    1 July 2014 07: 28
    sometimes dreams come true-the gritsenka wants the militia to have "grads" well, so make an effort, after the militia fired your shitheads, at least five of these wonderful installations on the battlefield, and your dream will come true, the hail will fly to the fascist bosko
  15. 0
    1 July 2014 07: 29
    "I am ready to conclude a peace agreement with anyone," Poroshenko said on CNN.
    Well, surrender to the militias, let go of the Donbass..khoronyak..Russia and Putin have something to do with..Russia does not fire at the territory of Ukraine and does not violate airspace ..
  16. +2
    1 July 2014 07: 37
    Mentally unhealthy people are in power in Kiev! It requires long-term inpatient treatment, preferably in specialized closed hospitals! Otherwise, a relapse of schizophrenia will be observed !!!!!!!!
    1. +9
      1 July 2014 08: 12
      Quote: azbukin77
      Mentally unhealthy people are in power in Kiev!

      In this regard, I cannot but quote A. Vajra ...

      “I have not just spoken to these mental cripples since January, but SCREAMED! damn ... what are you doing ??? !!! You are one pi ... and exchange for other pi ... s! And the price of this change of “guard of honor” will be dark and deep for YOU maydauns (and at the same time for everyone who has kept the adequacy, but is forced to live in the same country with you) ЖО ... А! Nichrome. These downites only galloped in flocks and bleated all the crap that the zombies of the oligarchs had driven into their heads.

      And now they, you see, are beginning to see clearly ... Nothing, by the autumn you will not only have insight, by the fall your eyes will drop out of their sights from this insight ”
      http://andreyvadjra.livejournal.com/
      1. +1
        1 July 2014 08: 21
        you are a very big plus! love
  17. +1
    1 July 2014 07: 47
    Can anyone imagine, for example, that Putin arrives in Kiev tomorrow or the day after tomorrow and signs something with us? Can you imagine that? I can not.

    Interestingly. I can not too. You can’t sign anything with such goons. He’d better tell how he grouped the troops of the three KVO, PrikVO and OdVO districts into such a short time.
  18. 0
    1 July 2014 09: 16
    What Grads? How what? The Militias have as many as 2 pieces! True, they recaptured them from the Dill - but they are. Here he did it out of fear :-)
  19. 0
    1 July 2014 09: 20
    apparently not everything is so safe in the camp of the maydauns and this is a victory, hold on to Donbass, hold on, but there is no other way ... soldier angry soldier
  20. +3
    1 July 2014 09: 32
    So far, no shots have been fired from Russia towards Ukraine, not a single Russian soldier has crossed the border, the rulers of the Kiev junta cannot blame the deaths of members of the punitive expedition and the impoverishment of the people in Russia. And if Russia does not officially intervene in any way other than diplomatic, then the rulers of dill will have to be responsible for the chaos that is occurring. Otherwise, everyone will be blamed on Russia. So banderlogs are trying their best to drag Russia into the war. And the point here, in my opinion, is not Western sanctions, but that the people of Ukraine clearly understand who is to blame for their troubles. When in a couple of months there will be nothing to eat in Ukraine, you can’t explain to people that Moscow is to blame. And the money of ukrov migrant workers coming from Russia has already decently declined, and soon they may completely disappear.
    1. +1
      1 July 2014 10: 08
      I agree with you. I do not want the West to feed and warm Ukraine, but it will be necessary. because Association Agreement signed. You will have to pay for this with open Russophobia, the extermination of the Russian-speaking population in the south and southeast, and its expulsion from the country. I think that the situation will increase more and more and there is no hope for improving relations with Ukraine, and any attempts by Russia to find a compromise dictated by concern for the fraternal Ukrainian people will be defamed and distorted by the Ukrainian media controlled by the authorities.
      1. 0
        1 July 2014 12: 01
        I agree with the speakers (Walk and rubin6286). What about
        Quote: rubin6286
        any attempts by Russia to find a compromise dictated by concern for the fraternal Ukrainian people will be slandered and perverted by the Ukrainian media controlled by the authorities.

        My mother (under 80 already) once said to me: "They have already tortured me with this Ukraine. What a bleeding wound on the body of Russia is necessary!" A somewhat contradictory phrase, but the wound was then inflicted so that it was, and they will constantly resent it.
    2. 0
      1 July 2014 16: 54
      And if Russia does not officially intervene in any way other than diplomatic, then the rulers of dill will have to be responsible for the chaos that is occurring. Otherwise, everyone will be blamed on Russia.




      That's it, to the point. This is the very essence of the expectant position of Putin V.V. Whoever has at least a lot of common sense left in his head, besides, on both sides, understands perfectly well - the ball was blown away ... There is nowhere to hurry. There was only one dill-Amer rhetoric that was foolishly conducted. Ukraine, along with its chief Vamerikoy - bankrupt swindlers. And they will bluff to the last. Because how to draw Russia into the conflict, this is their last chance to blame all sins and miscalculations on Putin, while staying afloat themselves.
  21. 0
    1 July 2014 09: 32
    Who cares, I recommend reading and supporting:
    http://politobzor.net/show-27383-spartancam-novorossii-posvyaschaetsya.html
  22. 0
    1 July 2014 09: 57
    Yes, sorry no hail.
  23. 0
    1 July 2014 10: 40
    Everything has its end and the end of Ukraine has come too. I don’t know what they smoke or drink there, but all their actions put a bullet in the fate of Ukraine. It's just like not to love your homeland to wish it have such an end!
  24. 0
    1 July 2014 12: 09
    However, comrade Gritsenko with regards. Like all this new Ukrainian power.
  25. Grandfather Victor
    +1
    1 July 2014 12: 29
    Putin will probably have to come to Kiev all the same, quiet and peaceful, cleansed of Nazi evil spirits ...
  26. 0
    1 July 2014 12: 31
    Yes, mass hysteria in Ukraine has reached a complete dullness and lack of principle. They openly call for civil war in their own country. This is a clinic
  27. 0
    1 July 2014 12: 50
    When the last Maidan flared up, many (including on the Internet) called Gritsenko a much more moderate politician than Tyagnibok, Yatsenyuk and Klitschko. They said that it was he who should negotiate with Yanyk on behalf of the "people". The general meaning was this - "Gritsenko is not an extremist, he will not allow blood and disintegration of the country."
    There are no "non-extremists" there. It is high time to understand this. Approximately 24 years of commercials it is already necessary to understand.
  28. Andrey Ulyanovsky
    0
    1 July 2014 14: 45
    At 1:56 - Pisdilo-peacemaker Porosenko.

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