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The dragon is awakening

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The dragon is awakening


Chinese policy is increasingly taking on "neo-colonial" outlines. To protect its interests, Beijing may deviate from the rule of non-interference.
The concept of "national interests" is interpreted by each state differently. The United States, in particular, uses it as a pretext for using military force in remote parts of the world - “in order to protect national interests.”

China, which has every chance of taking an equal place with the United States in the international community, has consistently upheld the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries - for many years this has been a key postulate of its foreign policy.

The growing influence of the PRC, the formation of numerous Chinese diasporas and billions of dollars of injections into the economies of developing countries led to a gradual departure from this principle. The need to protect the economic and political interests of the country came into conflict with traditional views, evidenced by a new study by the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

It was based on the principle of non-interference in foreign affairs that China refused to support both Russia and Western countries on the crisis in Ukraine.

At the same time, Beijing is pursuing an aggressive policy regarding disputed territories. In November, 2013, the Chinese authorities announced the creation of an “air defense zone” over the Senkaku archipelago, which Japan claims. In January, it became known that the People’s Liberation Army of China (PLA) had prepared a plan for a military operation against the Philippines in order to return Chungye Island. In May, the actions of the Chinese oil company in the Paracel archipelago exacerbated the conflict with Vietnam. Both countries sent warships to the disputed area of ​​the South China Sea, and a series of anti-Chinese pogroms took place in Vietnamese cities.


A ship with Chinese workers leaves the Vietnamese port of Vung Ang, 19 May 2014 of the year. Photo: Hau Dinh / AP


As a result, China had to send a fleet to evacuate its citizens from Vietnam to 600. This is not the largest evacuation in the new stories the countries, the authors of the study remind: in March 2011 of the year over 35 thousands of Chinese, mostly workers and oil workers, were evacuated after the start of the civil war in Libya. Now on the agenda is a similar operation in Iraq, where more than 10 thousands of Chinese citizens work. The successes of jihadists from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, attacking Baghdad, threaten not only ordinary Chinese, but also the country's business interests: the state-owned company PetroChina is the largest investor in the Iraqi oil sector.

A significant part of China’s oil and gas exports is built on supplies from politically unstable regions in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia, scientists say. Chinese analysts have identified four major threats to the economic interests of their country in “risk zones”: terrorism, extortion, and kidnapping; civil protests, riots, military actions; negative changes in the policy of power structures; any form of expropriation, especially in Latin America.

It is precisely as expropriation that the Chinese view the loss of the Venezuelan oil fields of the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and Sinopec in 2006. Despite the excellent relations with the PRC, then-President Hugo Chavez achieved strict compliance with the law on the nationalization of oil, and as a result 80% of CNPC fields were transferred to the state-owned company PDVSA.

In more or less stable countries, the interests of China are threatened by anti-Chinese sentiment. Political forces in such countries are often gaining popularity, playing on the desire of the population to reduce China’s role in the national economy, the authors of the study write.


The protest against the intention of the People's Republic of China to lease land for the cultivation of crops, Almaty, Kazakhstan, 30 January 2010 year. Photo: Shamil Zhumatov / Reuters


As an example, they recall Kazakhstan, where workers in joint ventures repeatedly staged strikes demanding improved working conditions and higher wages. During one of these protests in the local press, the Chinese were called "exploiters of the Kazakh people." In May 2011, the leading opposition party Azat called on people to take to the streets, describing the influence of China as "a threat to the independence and national security of Kazakhastan."

Similar sentiments are observed at the other end of the world - in Myanmar. CNPC has invested in the construction of a gas pipeline connecting the two countries and is completing the construction of a similar gas transportation facility. The growth of anti-Chinese sentiment led to clashes between local workers and those arriving from the PRC in January 2014, during which the oil pipeline was attempted to be set on fire.

According to the authors of the study, the majority of Chinese analysts blame external factors on these events. In particular, in the situation in Central Asia, they accuse the Russian-language media, which continue to use the stereotypes of the Cold War and the Western forces of influence, "envious of the success of the Central Asian policy of the PRC." In other cases, analysts believe local politicians manipulate public opinion with the help of the “Chinese threat” guilty.

Chinese state-owned companies are also represented in regions covered by armed confrontation, where their employees are in immediate danger. One of the bloodiest attacks against Chinese citizens happened in April 2007, in one of the Ethiopian provinces. During an attack by supporters of the creation of the Great Somalia from the Ogaden National Liberation Front on the town of Abola, 65 Ethiopians and nine Chinese oilmen from Sinopec were killed. In March 2011, Sinopec was forced to evacuate its employees from Yemen to 30, where an oil pipeline was destroyed as a result of Al-Qaida attacks.

These and other similar cases have led to a heated discussion on the effectiveness of the principle of non-interference in the Chinese academic environment, the study explains. In addition to the interests of state-owned companies, there are millions of citizens abroad. There is no exact data, but most analysts agree on a figure of five million. Only the number of students in foreign universities reaches 400 thousands.

The probability of "overseas" use of parts of the PLA is still regarded as unlikely. As the scientists explain, the Chinese do not want to create a network of military bases around the world, which only entails the growth of xenophobic sentiments. In 2011, the authorities of the Seychelles invited the People's Republic of China to create an anti-piracy base on their territory, but the matter did not get further. The Pakistani seaport of Gwadar, built by China, could well become the base of the Navy, but so far this is a matter of a distant future - now it is used exclusively for trade.

Today, foreign mercenaries remain the main instrument for protecting Chinese interests abroad. Preference is given to Western private military companies (PMCs) because of the fear that an armed clash involving Chinese security guards will cast a shadow over the entire state.


Chinese worker at an oil rig in Iraq, 29 Jun 2010 of the year. Photo: Leila Fadel / The Washington Post / Getty Images / Fotobank.ru


This prejudice is actively used by businessmen from other countries. For example, the founder of the most famous American PMC, Blackwater, Eric Prince, registered in Abu Dhabi a new company, the Frontiers Resource Group, specifically focused on the security services market for Chinese enterprises in Africa. In Pakistan, ZTE hired local security guards and also invited Western security experts. In Iraq, the Chinese, in addition to foreign experts, receive assistance from local security officials.

Gradually, Chinese PMCs emerge that do not shun work abroad. For example, the large security company Shandong Huawei Security Group, in addition to 2010, set up a Security Center Abroad in Beijing in Beijing, for which former members of special forces were hired.

In general, it is still too early to talk about the complete refusal of the PRC from the principle of non-intervention, conclude the authors of the study. The likelihood of using brute military power beyond the borders of the country remains extremely unlikely, they are sure. However, the need to protect their own citizens, the growth of economic interests and unpredictable critical situations can lead to a radical change in policy.
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  1. portoc65
    portoc65 1 July 2014 21: 12
    +5
    TOGETHER with China, Russia would wake up and establish how the influence of the entire planet would be under the USSR .. Of course, it’s glad that they woke up .. We can’t protect our own .. Maybe when we become strong and no one pests against us .. I would like to.
    1. Interface
      Interface 1 July 2014 21: 17
      +5
      The PRC fought with the Soviet Union in 1969 and we spat mutually until 2005, when the dilapidated after the 90s RFia transferred Damansky and a number of territories along the Amur River to them, calling it "border demarcation".
      1. kavad
        kavad 1 July 2014 23: 37
        +9
        Well, actually the Russian Empire 150 years ago chopped off much more from China in the Amur and Primorye! And having given these 380 sq. Km, the border was finally established. And China can no longer claim the lost.

        "In May 1858, the Governor-General of Eastern Siberia N. Muravyov and the representative of China Yi Shan signed an agreement in Aigun, according to which the left bank of the Amur from the Argun River to the mouth was recognized as the property of Russia, and the Ussuri Territory, until the final determination of the border, was to be temporarily be in the common possession of two states. "
        1. Interface
          Interface 2 July 2014 00: 04
          -7
          China can no longer claim the lost.


          In years through 30, China will be able to get everything it wants. One hint and pale shadow-heirs of Putin will give the Asians at the mercy of everything. Even the Moscow metro. China is also among the shareholders there.
        2. pirate technician
          pirate technician 2 July 2014 05: 43
          +3
          Quote: kavad
          Well, actually the Russian Empire 150 years ago chopped off much more from China in the Amur and Primorye! And having given these 380 sq. Km, the border was finally established. And China can no longer claim the lost.

          For what reason "chopped off"? In fact, China simply claimed these territories. Then the Russians came and founded Ust-Zeiskaya stanitsa here. Then the village grew into the city of Blagoveshchensk. In the late 19th and early 20th century, there were border skirmishes provoked on the Chinese side. Then China tried to take the city by siege, but was defeated.
      2. falcon
        falcon 2 July 2014 01: 01
        +6
        Quote: Interface
        half-decayed after the 90s, the RF

        Well, actually, it’s worthless to call homeland erefia.
        1. Interface
          Interface 2 July 2014 10: 43
          0
          Not. Suppose Putin did not come. Russia spread to separate states like the USSR.

          In your opinion, I was supposed to sit in "Muscovy", "Ingria" or somewhere else, and on topwar, full of admiration to sing odes to this splinter? And if not, then you would reproach me that I do not read "Native Land" ...
          What does he love for? For Sochi 2014?
          And South Africa held the World Cup, then the euphoria passed, and everything returned to what it was!
          For the standard of living? So this is not patriotism. The patriot puts the state better than his personal interests, so that the standard of living is out of place to mention ... and due to what this standard of living is relatively low, in comparison with the aforementioned China, is provided? Import. We have computers Lenovo, Mac, Samsung do not produce, of course.

          Russia lives by importing Western technology; take iPhones and clothes from the population-- there will be a riot worse. Maidan!
          Over the 20 years, Russia has become a complete cultural zero! Everyone is listening to eminem, Lana del ray, or whatever it is!

          We have turned into a cultural and economic colony of the West, and if 2 problem is solvable, then in general culture is not treated. The culture of the nation has been created and affirmed over the years.

          If I saw serious shifts in all areas of life, I might not call it "rfia".
          And in 20 years only the flag over the Kremlin, and the clothes from ours to foreign ones, have changed. That's all the changes by and large.
          I love and read the history of my "Motherland". And that's why I say that our people deserve more than to extol the squalor to which Russia has degraded.
    2. armageddon
      armageddon 1 July 2014 21: 30
      +3
      Hmm ... China and Russia have long woken up ... The question is HOW to wake the rest ... !!!
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 1 July 2014 22: 11
      +7
      You need to keep your eyes open with the Chinese; you will not have time to blink an eye, as they are being fooled.
      1. pirate technician
        pirate technician 2 July 2014 15: 14
        0
        Quote: Thought Giant
        You need to keep your eyes open with the Chinese; you will not have time to blink an eye, as they are being fooled.

        But it’s right! China has always put its interests above all.
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    5. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 1 July 2014 22: 15
      +7
      We don’t need any euphoria,
      then there will be no disappointment.
      China agrees to revive friendship with Russia.
      And this is a mutual desire.
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 2 July 2014 00: 13
        +1
        Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
        We don’t need any euphoria,
        then there will be no disappointment.
        China agrees to revive friendship with Russia.
        And this is a mutual desire.

        Philosophical you get a quatrain. It contains the whole meaning of the current situation. Of course, it would be ideal to reconcile the interests of all "Eastern Dragons" ... But so far, it does not work. The United States has long tied Japan's arms and legs. And the last step of the Japanese government, practically obliging Japan to interact with NATO, is another step towards a conflict with China (at least). However, the military-political alliance of the Russian Federation and China can still positively influence the orientation of the regional leaders of Southeast Asia ...
  2. Interface
    Interface 1 July 2014 21: 13
    +17
    Who else wants to say that China is a "friendly country"?

    Here Vietnam has evicted-- we also need. Evict from the Far East, and begin to resettle the people from the center themselves. For 3 years, exempt from taxes. And involve their companies in the construction of infrastructure. And then Russia, trying to sit on the 2x chairs, may also leave for the Ural Mountains.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 1 July 2014 21: 51
      +12
      Quote: Interface
      and ourselves begin to resettle the people from the center there.

      Exactly! And start with Muscovy .. "Rotation" will be extremely useful: they, the poor, are bent over exhaustion in their stuffy offices! And then - hunting, fishing .. mosquitoes .. Nature! Mother.. laughing
      1. woron333444
        woron333444 1 July 2014 23: 26
        +5
        offices of Gazprom, Rosneft and Russian Railways to transfer to the east
        1. pirate technician
          pirate technician 3 July 2014 11: 52
          0
          It is not necessary to transfer offices, but factories! In our Far East, except that aircraft are being built and rockets will soon start to shoot (from the cosmodrome). What's the point? By the way, people are moving west closer to Moscow, to the sun in Krasnodar (Many of my friends have gone there).
      2. Sterlya
        Sterlya 1 July 2014 23: 35
        +2
        Quote: avia1991
        Quote: Interface
        and ourselves begin to resettle the people from the center there.

        Exactly! And start with Muscovy .. "Rotation" will be extremely useful: they, the poor, are bent over exhaustion in their stuffy offices! And then - hunting, fishing .. mosquitoes .. Nature! Mother.. laughing

        I support! And housing there is much cheaper than in Moscow.
        For the cost of 1 sq.m. housing in the center of Moscow, you can build a good house, even in our village in Bashkortostan laughing And why are they tormented there in cramped offices, bringing themselves to exhausting work ...
      3. Interface
        Interface 2 July 2014 00: 00
        0
        Although, glamorous queers will be hard, I think. No.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 2 July 2014 00: 50
          -1
          Quote: Interface
          Although, glamorous queers will be hard, I think.

          This is how to look: a luxurious chance to create your own isolated little world where they can do whatever they want with their priests.
          1. subbtin.725
            subbtin.725 2 July 2014 04: 30
            0
            Quote: samoletil18
            Quote: Interface
            Although, glamorous queers will be hard, I think.
            This is how to look: a luxurious chance to create your own isolated little world where they can do whatever they want with their priests.

            The Far East, all this glamor with a blue tint, does not take to the spirit; so this audience, let it be perverted at home.
            1. samoletil18
              samoletil18 2 July 2014 11: 24
              0
              Excuse me. I didn’t know that if there was homo-settlement at a distance of 500 km, there would be a resonance. Then to Mosul them. Let ISIS decompose.
    2. sub307
      sub307 1 July 2014 22: 24
      +1
      "Think crystal" + You do not mind. It is a pity that these good wishes will most likely remain so.
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    4. Hedgehog_Russian
      Hedgehog_Russian 2 July 2014 11: 36
      0
      ... Russia, trying to sit on 2 chairs, can also part along the Ural ridge.

      - Russia is unlikely, but the federation is completely ... Centrifugal processes with the collapse of the USSR did not stop, but only took on a different form - population replacement ... Given the population density in Russia (less than in the Sahara desert), this is just filling voids, because a holy place does not exist.
      ... In addition to the interests of state-owned companies, there are millions of citizens of the country abroad. There is no exact data, but most analysts agree on a figure of five million ...

      - The author obviously underestimated the number of Chinese citizens abroad by an order of magnitude, so as not to inflate the "Chinese threat" in the Russian media. Citizens of Central Asian states actively arriving in the central regions of Russia are also actively being replaced in the regions of their traditional residence by citizens of the PRC. For a radical change in migration policy, the government of the Russian Federation requires a decisive change in demographic and social policies in relation to the country's own state-forming people. Religious rubbish in the heads of officials exposed by state power will inevitably burst into an abscess of the people's unrest. By and large, there is no time to stop the "locomotive rushing into the abyss". The antibiotic in the form of a fight against corruption is no longer working, and the rise of national consciousness in the fight against the American fascist Eurosodom will very quickly come to naught without decisive reinforcing actions by the authorities in domestic politics. The falsity of the spiritual guidelines actively introduced by the "fifth and sixth columns" into public consciousness are effective catalysts for the destruction of the Russian Federation as a state ...
    5. Hedgehog_Russian
      Hedgehog_Russian 2 July 2014 11: 36
      0
      ... Russia, trying to sit on 2 chairs, can also part along the Ural ridge.

      - Russia is unlikely, but the federation is completely ... Centrifugal processes with the collapse of the USSR did not stop, but only took on a different form - population replacement ... Given the population density in Russia (less than in the Sahara desert), this is just filling voids, because a holy place does not exist.
      ... In addition to the interests of state-owned companies, there are millions of citizens of the country abroad. There is no exact data, but most analysts agree on a figure of five million ...

      - The author obviously underestimated the number of Chinese citizens abroad by an order of magnitude, so as not to inflate the "Chinese threat" in the Russian media. Citizens of Central Asian states actively arriving in the central regions of Russia are also actively being replaced in the regions of their traditional residence by citizens of the PRC. For a radical change in migration policy, the government of the Russian Federation requires a decisive change in demographic and social policies in relation to the country's own state-forming people. Religious rubbish in the heads of officials exposed by state power will inevitably burst into an abscess of the people's unrest. By and large, there is no time to stop the "locomotive rushing into the abyss". The antibiotic in the form of a fight against corruption is no longer working, and the rise of national consciousness in the fight against the American fascist Eurosodom will very quickly come to naught without decisive reinforcing actions by the authorities in domestic politics. The falsity of the spiritual guidelines actively introduced by the "fifth and sixth columns" into public consciousness are effective catalysts for the destruction of the Russian Federation as a state ...
  3. roman72-452
    roman72-452 1 July 2014 21: 17
    +6
    China’s geopolitical interests are precisely a factor of its stability and prosperity, and not defending one’s own interests means losing the competition.
  4. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 1 July 2014 21: 22
    +9
    China is not to blame - but the venality of functionaries in power in these states. China just offers. And those who are in power are simply not able to solve national issues themselves and are being sold. An example is the same Ukraine - for a place in the Rada or at a state feeder, they are ready to sell all national property. As a result, they will be paid so much that FOR THEIR CENTURY ENOUGH and they did not care about Ukraine and its people.
    Great Britain and France once led a colonial policy, and today the United States. The diaspora in any country is always a THREAT, if the authorities in the country do not pursue a national policy - and then the PRIVATE is placed above the PUBLIC (NATIONAL). In short, if the authorities are traitors, then why not grab that no one needs.
    And this is the main duty of men in society - for this the communities were formed first, and then the states - to protect the public domain
  5. michurinec
    michurinec 1 July 2014 21: 26
    +2
    Quote: Interface
    The dilapidated after the 90s RFiya transferred Damansky and a number of territories along the Amur River to them, calling it "border demarcation".

    This is our guide the foolish to blame. Damansky, by all rules, was supposed to move to China. He was actually on the other side of the Amur River on the Chinese side due to a change in the course of the Amur River. It wouldn’t be enough to make a smart diplomatic move, so many people put it and as a result they still gave up the island.
    1. Hedgehog_Russian
      Hedgehog_Russian 2 July 2014 12: 06
      0
      Changing the course of the Amur is not an accident or a whim of nature, but the result of deliberate actions by the Chinese side. In your trade in spans of the native land of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, a smart diplomatic move ?! It is our fault when we have a government that sees us as cattle. It was we who gave birth to him, raised him and put him on our own ridge! What tapery moo then ?!
    2. Hedgehog_Russian
      Hedgehog_Russian 2 July 2014 12: 06
      0
      Changing the course of the Amur is not an accident or a whim of nature, but the result of deliberate actions by the Chinese side. In your trade in spans of the native land of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, a smart diplomatic move ?! It is our fault when we have a government that sees us as cattle. It was we who gave birth to him, raised him and put him on our own ridge! What tapery moo then ?!
  6. VadimSt
    VadimSt 1 July 2014 21: 26
    +8
    After E. Vasilyeva in the news (Russia 24) told that she had changed her style in painting, and after three weeks she will be able to hear her new songs .... everything else is not news.
    Klava, I ... What court? We are waiting for the premiere!
  7. Sultan
    Sultan 1 July 2014 21: 29
    +9
    You have to be very careful with China. The East is a delicate matter, said Comrade Sukhov. Not always a statement spoken out loud means a statement. China is not our friend, it is not waiting for us with open arms. He can easily deceive and overturn the "partner", being confident in his impunity. You can not completely trust ANYONE and doubly the Chinese. They are not fools - they sense the benefits and bargain very well, always take the side of the stronger, not wanting to enter into a conflict that is not included in its national spheres of influence. Do not forget about their ambitions for the status of a military world power ... A short leash, eye and eye, not to give slack and not turn your back on them - this is the only way to deal with them ...
  8. portoc65
    portoc65 1 July 2014 21: 31
    +6
    Right now, it would be Stalin .. I would have put the real order in the COUNTRY and I would really understand Dill .. Russia has become stronger Of course, just not cold not hot that we are stronger .. Dill already bombed our territory and urinate our journalists .. we swallow everything
    1. BEGGAR
      BEGGAR 1 July 2014 22: 13
      +3
      What is there to understand? Create a DNR rear, support the militias with provisions, weapons, information and money. Suppress accumulations of Ukrainian equipment, knock down the remnants of aviation, block Poland. Mobilize those who are not satisfied with the junta. We also need political will and money. But the overseas accounts hovered over the leaders like a Domocles sword. They most likely leaked us ...
  9. Drunya
    Drunya 1 July 2014 21: 35
    +4
    and ourselves begin to resettle the people from the center there.

    maybe in "Stolypin" cars?
    And involve their companies in the construction of infrastructure

    the company can be ours, only here are our workers once, twice ....
  10. sv68
    sv68 1 July 2014 21: 36
    +6
    thirty years later, for example, China will present to us terretorial pritenzies sucked from a finger, how then will those who China thinks be close to us? Do not wait for good from China, sooner or later they will show themselves to beasts like this, the whole world will be horrified
  11. SergeyZel
    SergeyZel 1 July 2014 21: 46
    +6
    And artillery-machine-gun divisions on the border with China must be resurrected and strengthened. So that the Dragon’s teeth do not ache and the eyes do not squint towards Russia.
    1. Hedgehog_Russian
      Hedgehog_Russian 2 July 2014 12: 18
      0
      Do you offer Chinese to complete these divisions ?!
    2. Hedgehog_Russian
      Hedgehog_Russian 2 July 2014 12: 18
      0
      Do you offer Chinese to complete these divisions ?!
  12. sv68
    sv68 1 July 2014 21: 55
    0
    your division, again urry-patreots stupidly minus fool I’ll tell you boobies — in 2010 in Vladivostok, my relative sold the apartment he inherited. I don’t know, I hadn’t been there before and the relative was only two times, so Chinese merchants often appeared in the courtyard and often they were brazen they said it’s our land and we’ll survive you by any means, or we’ll cut off the legs of China for all of you Russians. So if it’s brazenly saying in a foreign country nobody is afraid of anything, you think this people is joking and we will really needed?
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 1 July 2014 22: 10
      0
      Russia and India in 2013 realized military contracts worth almost five billion dollars
      http://itar-tass.com/politika/943176
      India is waiting for a war with China?
      http://topwar.ru/11771-v-indii-zhdut-voynu-s-kitaem.html
      Questions?
  13. avia1991
    avia1991 1 July 2014 21: 56
    +3
    China's behavior can be explained simply: "to live with wolves - howl like a wolf." Where are they from the submarine? We live in one global world.
    That is how the Russian authorities would learn: "non-interference", in the end, comes like a boomerang. Moreover, if you do not want to protect "your own"! Moreover, you demonstrate "double standards": "These Russians are our Russians, and TE - let them be on their own."
  14. persei
    persei 1 July 2014 22: 06
    +2
    China is a "thorn in the pants" not only of the United States, but in our future ....
  15. KIRON
    KIRON 1 July 2014 22: 12
    +10
    The dragon raises its head. It will be hard for the bear to fight him. The Chinese are stubborn. Only the command "face" and they will crush everyone. Not by experience, but purely by the crowd. Discipline in the PLA is the most severe. There is no difference - a mausoleum or an ordinary motorized infantry regiment. in the army is not discussed. Any insubordination is punishable. Until the execution. Providing the army of the PLA is the first prerogative of Beijing. The best brains are thrown into the development, copying, stealing of military equipment. They have succeeded. A year and a half, and already we will have to catch up with them .Russian and Chinese, brothers forever! It was like that in my life. Only I am not going to fraternize with them. Father, uncle, even Mom, all went through military clashes with the Chinese on the border in the 60s. So that politicians do not say, the Chinese cannot be trusted . Will smile at you, and hold a knife behind his back.
    1. Hedgehog_Russian
      Hedgehog_Russian 2 July 2014 12: 36
      0
      In connection with the transfer to China of the mass of world production, more than 80% of the country's water resources are poisoned by industrial waste. Therefore, with China's obvious energy dependence on Russia and a huge excess of the population of the PRC of draft age, the geopolitical forecast of the development of events in the Far East is quite obvious and disappointing ...
    2. Hedgehog_Russian
      Hedgehog_Russian 2 July 2014 12: 36
      0
      In connection with the transfer to China of the mass of world production, more than 80% of the country's water resources are poisoned by industrial waste. Therefore, with China's obvious energy dependence on Russia and a huge excess of the population of the PRC of draft age, the geopolitical forecast of the development of events in the Far East is quite obvious and disappointing ...
  16. Saireg
    Saireg 1 July 2014 22: 23
    +1
    Quote: sv68
    your division, again urry-patreots stupidly minus fool I’ll tell you boobies — in 2010 in Vladivostok, my relative sold the apartment he inherited. I don’t know, I hadn’t been there before and the relative was only two times, so Chinese merchants often appeared in the courtyard and often they were brazen they said it’s our land and we’ll survive you by any means, or we’ll cut off the legs of China for all of you Russians. So if it’s brazenly saying in a foreign country nobody is afraid of anything, you think this people is joking and we will really needed?

    minus for a clear provocation a citizen either from Ukraine, or from Poland)
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 1 July 2014 23: 28
      -1
      Quote: Saireg
      minus for a clear provocation a citizen either from Ukraine, or from Poland)

      Not a sassy statement, namesake? It is still worth looking at the "shoulder straps": trolls do not rise to such levels here.
      The rest would like to say that I also have a sad ... no, not an experience as such. But in 1973-1975, while living in the Primorsky Territory, several times I learned the Facts (not gossip!) About the deaths of civilians in border villages. The border guards then also had an order "not to succumb to provocations" - as a result, the outfits disappeared and the outposts suffered.
      The Chinese - like all Asians - are extremely unpredictable people.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 2 July 2014 21: 31
        0
        Obviously, the "minus" was set by the very opponent I was referring to. And this only says that "tavarischu" has nothing to argue on the merits negative
  17. serge siberian
    serge siberian 1 July 2014 22: 23
    +3
    nutes for those zdrasste to you! fat plus for a replica of daman! the Chinese immediately began to strengthen the coast. here we have no money for the matter of state importance. rocked near full explosives in warehouses tore rocks and carry it to the shore, pour it and strengthen it. amur river with a burrow and the channel changes, nibbles the coast of Russia and the Chinese simply licks.
    not so long ago in Vladik even the FSB only by storm could enter the night clubs whose owners are Chinese.
    we don’t even have to talk about corrupt officials. We can sell them Russian land as well.
  18. melnik
    melnik 1 July 2014 22: 23
    +2
    Well, as they get out of the policy of non-interference, so the sunset will begin. God is such a joker ...
  19. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 1 July 2014 22: 29
    +8
    In the near future, China is not dangerous for Russia. They understand perfectly well that the United States wants to reduce China's influence in the region, block its sea trade routes and thereby slow down economic development. Well, there is no need to talk about how diligently the United States is trying to isolate Russia, so the interest is mutual. China needs a guaranteed route for goods through Russia, while Russia needs a stable gas market, and more. It is better to have such a "conditionally dangerous enemy" as China than an "openly hostile friend" like the West.
  20. Saireg
    Saireg 1 July 2014 22: 34
    -4
    A raid of NATOtrolls or UKROtrolls started hysterically scaring us with China)
  21. draft
    draft 1 July 2014 22: 53
    +4
    Quote: Saireg
    A raid of NATOtrolls or UKROtrolls started hysterically scaring us with China)

    Let me object to you. You can minus as much as you want, but I think that we should be careful with China. I will try to explain my opinion:
    1. The USA is a jackal, which, in addition to imposing sanctions and pitting people among themselves, for Russia, in my opinion, does not pose a military threat. Well, imagine the NATO ground operation in Russia - they will rake it, I have no doubt about it. An ocean barrier is also a problem for ground operations on such a scale.
    They will not inflict a nuclear strike until they are sure of 100% impunity - they, unlike us, have something to lose, and they love themselves very much. In addition, a simple American man in the street before a Russian person simply does not care - well, man and man, in my opinion, he does not dislike him.
    2. China. With China, the opposite is true. The East of Russia is already behind them behind the scenes - I think it's hard to argue with this, and something urgently needs to be done about it. I remembered the words of one person who often visited Southeast Asia: "They smile in your face, but (to put it mildly) do not love you." The fact that overpopulated China borders on us, and these richest, sparsely populated lands cause him profuse salivation, I think no one will argue.
    Well, the army, when mobilizing exceeds quantitatively the population of Russia, will have a great chance of success during the ground operation. Something like this.
    In no case do I urge to break off relations with China, but I think that such a neighbor who has already begun to eat you slowly should be treated with caution, firmly defending his interests, especially territorial ones.
    1. vadgen
      vadgen 2 July 2014 07: 14
      0
      "The East of Russia is behind them behind the scenes - I think it's hard to argue with that."

      Every time I read such conclusions, I remember Professor Preobrazhensky from "Heart of a Dog" and his phrase about "advice on a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity." will you try to find confirmation of your words on the Internet?
  22. v245721
    v245721 1 July 2014 23: 06
    0
    glory to the USSR. the most powerful power in the world and its valiant ARMY, !!!!!!
  23. Saireg
    Saireg 1 July 2014 23: 10
    0
    Quote: Draft
    Quote: Saireg
    A raid of NATOtrolls or UKROtrolls started hysterically scaring us with China)

    Let me object to you. You can minus as much as you want, but I think that we should be careful with China. I will try to explain my opinion:
    1. The USA is a jackal, which, in addition to imposing sanctions and pitting people among themselves, for Russia, in my opinion, does not pose a military threat. Well, imagine the NATO ground operation in Russia - they will rake it, I have no doubt about it. An ocean barrier is also a problem for ground operations on such a scale.
    They will not inflict a nuclear strike until they are sure of 100% impunity - they, unlike us, have something to lose, and they love themselves very much. In addition, a simple American man in the street before a Russian person simply does not care - well, man and man, in my opinion, he does not dislike him.
    2. China. With China, the opposite is true. The East of Russia is already behind them behind the scenes - I think it's hard to argue with this, and something urgently needs to be done about it. I remembered the words of one person who often visited Southeast Asia: "They smile in your face, but (to put it mildly) do not love you." The fact that overpopulated China borders on us, and these richest, sparsely populated lands cause him profuse salivation, I think no one will argue.
    Well, the army, when mobilizing exceeds quantitatively the population of Russia, will have a great chance of success during the ground operation. Something like this.
    In no case do I urge to break off relations with China, but I think that such a neighbor who has already begun to eat you slowly should be treated with caution, firmly defending his interests, especially territorial ones.

    And here is a plus for you, for do not be hysterical and have a clear and complementary position with me. You just forgot a little India (because of Tibet), Vietnam (because of the lands of the south-west of China) and possibly Japan (having their territorial claims to China and which seems to have gained the right to fight outside Japan), which could hit China in the back while they will fight with us Russian)
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  25. Saireg
    Saireg 1 July 2014 23: 27
    +1
    In the Triangle, Russia, India and China are all based on the principle of Stone, Scissors and Paper, in other words India is holding back China, or according to your why Russia helped to obtain atomic weapons (covering it from the United States at the same time), built a tank factory and a skeleton fleet, and also gives India nuclear submarine rental?
  26. Saireg
    Saireg 1 July 2014 23: 42
    +1
    Human resources of India available for military service:
    men aged 16-49: 319 million
    women age 16-49: 296 million people (2010 estimated)

    The human resources of India annually reaching military age:
    men: 12 million people
    women: 10 million people (2010 estimated)
  27. Kimblee
    Kimblee 1 July 2014 23: 47
    +2
    You can condemn, but to me personally, China is pretty. If the Soviet-Chinese split had not happened at one time, and the USSR had been reformed according to the Chinese model, then maybe the United States would not have existed now, because the USSR had no problems with overpopulation, and there were no more resources than China did.
  28. Saireg
    Saireg 1 July 2014 23: 48
    +1
    Quote: avia1991
    Quote: Saireg
    minus for a clear provocation a citizen either from Ukraine, or from Poland)

    Not a sassy statement, namesake? It is still worth looking at the "shoulder straps": trolls do not rise to such levels here.
    The rest would like to say that I also have a sad ... no, not an experience as such. But in 1973-1975, while living in the Primorsky Territory, several times I learned the Facts (not gossip!) About the deaths of civilians in border villages. The border guards then also had an order "not to succumb to provocations" - as a result, the outfits disappeared and the outposts suffered.
    The Chinese - like all Asians - are extremely unpredictable people.

    The rating can be artificially increased, but I am aware of those events and in fact share a number of concerns, but I will change people who comment hysterically in the spirit of the saying "Elephantum ex musca facis" (
  29. Barakuda
    Barakuda 2 July 2014 00: 09
    +1
    Quote: Saireg
    In the Triangle, Russia, India and China are all on the principle of Stone, Scissors and Paper

    And Japan at the same time is quietly looking at it and arming itself. They even have a question - whether to create nuclear weapons. And they can create it, and pretty quickly.
  30. Edvid
    Edvid 2 July 2014 00: 15
    +1
    Quote: kavad
    Well, actually the Russian Empire 150 years ago chopped off much more from China in the Amur and Primorye! And having given these 380 sq. Km, the border was finally established. And China can no longer claim the lost.

    "In May 1858, the Governor-General of Eastern Siberia N. Muravyov and the representative of China Yi Shan signed an agreement in Aigun, according to which the left bank of the Amur from the Argun River to the mouth was recognized as the property of Russia, and the Ussuri Territory, until the final determination of the border, was to be temporarily be in the common possession of two states. "

    //////////////////////////////////////
    Prior to this, the Russian border posts stood on the right bank of the Amur River at a distance of 200 kilometers from the coast. Now this is the territory of China.
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  32. Saireg
    Saireg 2 July 2014 00: 57
    +1
    Quote: Barracuda
    Quote: Saireg
    In the Triangle, Russia, India and China are all on the principle of Stone, Scissors and Paper

    And Japan at the same time is quietly looking at it and arming itself. They even have a question - whether to create nuclear weapons. And they can create it, and pretty quickly.

    They already have about the same amount as France has, simply leased to NATO to create the illusion of a nuclear country.
  33. Saireg
    Saireg 2 July 2014 01: 17
    0
    Any action repeated three hundred times in a row becomes a habit. Three hundred times defeated the lack of will - acquired the will. Three hundred times weighed out, even in total - the hands will become stronger. Three hundred times in a row he restrained himself and did not shout - he became restrained.
  34. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 2 July 2014 03: 04
    0
    Maybe the red dragon once slept, but with one eye open!
  35. Stypor23
    Stypor23 2 July 2014 03: 16
    0
    Quote: Interface
    Who else wants to say that China is a "friendly country"?

    Here Vietnam has evicted-- we also need. Evict from the Far East, and begin to resettle the people from the center themselves. For 3 years, exempt from taxes. And involve their companies in the construction of infrastructure. And then Russia, trying to sit on the 2x chairs, may also leave for the Ural Mountains.

    Vietnam is generally akin to Afghanistan. They certainly don’t care whether the tea is trampled or not. But They will arrange a guerrilla war for 10-15 years, let's see how the Chinese army will spin without combat experience.
  36. Wolka
    Wolka 2 July 2014 05: 44
    0
    a bad example is contagious, the Yankees provoked repeatedly, the Chinese fledged, now the samurai also "woke up", something grandiose has awakened, now it’s as if the butts around the world will not calm down for a long time ... hi
  37. vadgen
    vadgen 2 July 2014 06: 51
    +2
    Quote: sv68
    I don’t know the city — once I wasn’t there, but a relative was only two times, so Chinese merchants often appeared in the courtyard and often they brazenly said directly to our eyes — this is our land and we can survive from here by any means or cut out legs China is enough for all of you Russians.

    Yes, that’s called “I didn’t read Pasternak, but I condemn.” Dear, how a person who was born in Vladivostok and lived there most of his life, I can say that you wrote complete nonsense. Firstly, Chinese traders in Vladik never walked around the yards. Secondly, there is a serious language barrier, and there are very few Chinese who know Russian well. In our opinion, at least part of what you wrote can only be a Chinese man who speaks Russian well, and such specialists find better jobs for themselves. Thirdly, what you need to be a fool to tell the inhabitants of the country in which you came about how you will cut them.
    I don’t know why, but some on the site believe that you can write any nonsense about the Far East, and no one will say a word, because it’s very far away, and who was actually or was not known there. Therefore, I would like to know on the site information about my region from those people who at least know a little about the Far East.
  38. Eydolon
    Eydolon 2 July 2014 08: 01
    0
    China is a great civilization, and therefore we need Russian civilization, we must be friends with it, but be careful, the Chinese dragon is quirky and bites like a snake ..
  39. Saireg
    Saireg 2 July 2014 08: 53
    0
    Well, if China is the Dragon, then Russia is Black (you can invent it in white, because in the east the color of mourning is white and therefore not welcome) turtle (Chinese exercise. 玄武, pinyin: Xuán Wǔ, pall .: Xuan W) is one of four Chinese zodiac signs, corresponding to a group of seven constellations in the northern part of the sky. It is sometimes called the Black Warrior of the North (Chinese р 玄武, pinyin: Běi Fāng Xuán Wǔ, pall .: Bei Fang Xuan Wu). In Japan, he is known as Gembu (玄武), in Korea - as Hyunmu 현무. It symbolizes the north, water and winter. Although in Chinese it is called Xuan, the "black warrior", the name is often translated as the Black Turtle. He is usually depicted as a tortoise with a snake entwined around it.

    Actually earlier, he apparently symbolized the enemies of China - the Hunn Empire (Chinese 匈奴 Huns) - an ancient nomadic people, from 220 BC. e. to the XNUMXnd century AD e. inhabiting the steppes north of China. To protect against their raids, Qin Shihuandi built the Great Wall of China. Huns waged active wars with the Chinese Han Empire, during which they consolidated into a single power, subjugating the tribes of neighboring nomads. Later, as a result of wars with China and the Xianbi tribes, as well as civil strife and the penetration of Chinese culture, the Hunnish state collapsed.

    According to the widespread opinion, part of the Hunnu reached Europe and, mixed with the Ugrians, gave rise to a new people, known in Europe under the name of the Huns (as you understand, they defeated the Roman Empire). During the departure to the west, the fourth part of the so-called low-powered Huns remains in the territories of Semirechye and Western Siberia with the formation of the state of Yueban - Avar.
  40. Saireg
    Saireg 2 July 2014 09: 14
    0
    And the symbol by the way is really strong, for example, you can recall the aporia of the ancient Greek philosopher Zeno "Achilles and the skull". "Let's say Achilles runs ten times faster than a turtle, and is behind her at a distance of a thousand steps. During the time it takes Achilles to run this distance, the turtle crawls a hundred steps in the same direction. When Achilles runs a hundred steps, the turtle ten more steps will crawl, and so on. The process will continue indefinitely, Achilles will never catch up with the turtle. " This is exactly what Bismarck meant when he said that "the Russian harnesses for a long time but travels fast"
  41. Saireg
    Saireg 2 July 2014 09: 33
    0
    People, most importantly, do not forget that Bismarck said about us "Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the disintegration of the main force of Russia, which is based on millions of Russians proper ... These latter, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, just as quickly reunite with each other like particles of a cut piece of mercury. This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs. "