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Personnel, mastered the technique. Libertarians will disappear - there will be both industry and education

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Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili assured: "The personnel who have mastered the technique, decide everything." Subsequent experience indicated: in order to really solve, cadres must possess not only technology, but also the social sciences (their transformation into dogmas under the successors of Dzhugashvili is one of the most important reasons for the temporary failure of socialism). Nevertheless, possession of technology remains vital to the individual and society (in the same dogmatization of the social sciences, the transfer of their development to the discretion of people not connected with real production and / or exact sciences played a significant role).

As far as I know, from countries that still out of habit call themselves developed, at the moment, except that Germany does not complain publicly about the lack of specialists to work in its own industry. Basically - because it itself preserves and develops this industry. All the rest lack not only the laborer force, but also specialists in various branches. The famous “Polish plumber” became a horror story for France, among other things, also because the French, who want to seriously study how to work with modern sanitary equipment (and its insides are rather complicated), there are less and less every day. Less, in particular, because, as far as I can tell, the lack of technically competent personnel is to some extent a manifestation of attempts to create a so-called post-industrial society without the proper technical prerequisites for it.

Initially, the idea of ​​a post-industrial society was that machines should be produced, and people only think out - and come up, of course, not only what machines create, but also various more or less pleasant things and pleasant ways to spend time. Alas, the equipment has not yet matured to fully automate the entire production cycle (even the parts made by volumetric printers most often need to be assembled into a seamless structure). Therefore, they tried to simulate the post-industrial dream by transferring jobs to regions with cheap labor.

But as soon as the transfer became widespread, many discrepancies with the ideal of post-industrialism appeared. One of these discrepancies: a rather small part of the people can engage in creative activity at a level of interest to others. Moreover, it turned out: learning all sorts of pleasant things is inseparable from the training that is required for production. Roughly speaking, when they stopped seriously teaching people to the natural and technical sciences, it turned out that they at the same time learn the humanities much worse. This can be seen at least by the example of our current creaklists: most of them are focused on pure humanitarianism, and experience shows that they, in the humanitarian sphere, to put it mildly, are not oriented - they don’t feel the difference between the desired and the possible, between the pleasant and the useful, spectacular and effective, between the formal and the informative, between the state and the process ...

I’m not even talking about the many disciplines on the border between the exact and humanitarian sciences. Medicine, sociology, architecture and urban planning ... they all obviously suffer from the hope of replacing the exact knowledge and the exact measurement of the wishful thinking.

But to revive the natural-technical education is already quite difficult. During the time when postmodern utopia was in fashion, a significant part of not only those who want to learn what is needed for production, but also those who are willing (and able) to learn what is needed for production have been lost. For too many believed: there will be no production itself - it means there will be no need to learn and teach it. At the moment, there is a decline in the vocational education system itself. Most likely, in the near future, those countries that deem it necessary to preserve their own production will have to recreate this system from scratch.

For example, the recent meeting on education and engineering with the President of the Russian Federation, in my opinion, shows very negative trends. And a few of my acquaintances, who are somehow interested in these issues, say in a friendly chorus: you need to recreate everything, starting from the conceptual level - from understanding why you need a technical education.

But we have one trump card: we, fortunately, started moving into post-industrialism much later than others - when many people had already seen the ineffectiveness of this idea with the naked eye. Therefore, our education system has so far been ruined to a lesser extent than the western one - and we still have hope to revive faster than our opponents. So I think: we will not suffer so much from the post-industrialist utopia, as Western countries.

But, naturally, for the revival of the education system demanded by industry, it is necessary to revive the industry itself. And most importantly - for both of these revivals, we need to understand the causes of the problem we are facing. Unfortunately for me, I have a very shaky hope for this, since, for example, the economic block of the government (EBP) of the Russian Federation itself repeats post-industrialist and other libertarian spells. So from him - and from other lovers of liberal alternatives to thinking - one does not have to wait for an understanding of the causes of everything that happens with the country and the world. In particular, the current composition of the EBP is not indicative of an understanding of the causes of the inoperability of the current imitation of post-industrialism. This means that our education will again become meaningful and useful not earlier than replacing the libertarian EBPP with a sane one.
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  1. ispaniard
    ispaniard 1 July 2014 14: 59
    +26
    Oh, Wasserman would be in the mayors of Odessa;)! A better minister of education, if not Russia, then New Russia.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 1 July 2014 15: 17
      +8
      Quote: ispaniard
      Oh, Wasserman would be in the mayors of Odessa;)! A better minister of education, if not Russia, then New Russia.

      GIANT OF THOUGHTS !!!!!!!! laughing
      1. air wolf
        air wolf 1 July 2014 15: 19
        0
        Father, Lusian Democracy wassat
        1. waisson
          waisson 1 July 2014 15: 36
          +14
          father of the vest in which he stores his gigantic thoughts
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      3. Evgeniy1
        Evgeniy1 1 July 2014 16: 08
        +1
        and "FATHER" of Russian democracy!
      4. Irokez
        Irokez 1 July 2014 16: 16
        +9
        Quote: sgazeev
        GIANT OF THOUGHTS!

        I assure you that the giants of thought can be all the main thing several conditions:
        - discretion
        - reasonableness
        - pragmatism
        - well-read
        - charisma
        All of these factors add up wisdom and resilience with the choice of the right decisions for the situation. Unpretentiousness to your "I" also plays a big role because a person is not fixated on his Ego and does not require much attention to his person (immunity from star fever or, as in fairy tales, copper pipes are written).
        And in fact, if a person drives his Ego into a mouse hole so that it does not shine a little, then he will notice that they began to relate to him differently and it can be nice.
        Be wise and rational than nonchalant and reckless. IMHO.
        1. Nikolav
          Nikolav 1 July 2014 16: 30
          +2
          Irokez

          I would also add - there should be a self-esteem (not to be confused with pride). Of all these qualities, charisma develops.
        2. UREC
          UREC 1 July 2014 17: 56
          +1
          Still need to be able to analyze!
      5. armageddon
        armageddon 1 July 2014 16: 43
        0
        Hmm ... It's a pity at this time BEAUTIFUL ... I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY LIVING ... !!!
      6. Klepa
        Klepa 1 July 2014 17: 56
        +6
        Great article! Since I dealt with teaching, I can subscribe to the fact that science or technology education is the basis of everything. It forms a completely different, special type of personality and character. After him, you can even go to ballet dancers, but on the contrary, it is almost impossible.
        1. snn
          snn 2 July 2014 00: 12
          -1
          In Russia, where education has been destroyed (read school textbooks), only an expert can talk about education. I agree that this education forms a special type of personality - a brainless slave. And the slaves do not move anything either science or culture, let alone technology, and there’s nothing to talk about - a vivid example - the Russian cosmos will be even worse. And you with EGshny education and having to teach activities - is responsible for all this !!!!
          1. Klepa
            Klepa 2 July 2014 11: 08
            0
            Quote: snn
            And you with an EGshny education and having a teaching activity - is responsible for all this !!!!

            An "educated, intelligent" person is immediately visible. The construction of phrases also "gives off the presence of intelligence."
            For your information, the exam in my time did not pass - this time. Secondly, the Unified State Examination is only an exam form that does not take away or add knowledge. So, if we take school education, then the ability to pass the exam is just the ability to pass the exam. There are always very smart schoolchildren and students who fail their exams not because of a lack of knowledge, but because they just do not know how to pass exams. In addition, those who want to learn will always learn. It’s not necessary to blame everything from a sick head to a healthy one. The fact that schoolchildren and students lack an understanding of why they need education is entirely the responsibility of parents. Otherwise, let all children after 6 years will be selected in boarding schools in which they will live and be brought up at schools. It’s much easier to blame your problems on anyone. Broken glass at stops? This government is to blame! Nassano at the porches? It’s Putin personally who came to you to meet a small need. The child does not study and walks through bars? Duc, this is all the exam and the Bologna process! And the fact that dad could give such a scion on the scruff of the neck does not even occur to anyone. Now in any university there is an opportunity to get a great education. With them there are libraries and the Internet. Scientific conferences are being organized. There is a contract with employing companies that offer students a work practice from the 4th year. There are scientific works in the departments. Take and learn, instead of smoking anasha and ranting how bad everything is.


            PS And to hear from the "muzhik" nuns and snot about how bad everything is - disgusting and disgusting: such behavior does not fit into the concept of "masculine". Pull yourself together and achieve your goal, and not demagoguery.
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin 1 July 2014 15: 18
      +12
      Quote: ispaniard
      Wasserman would be the Mayors of Odessa;

      Wasserman is a spokesperson for the press. Expresses a certain opinion, often correct. Oh good in its place.
      Odessa needs to return to Russia, as well as all of Ukraine. Otherwise, the United States will not release them from its claws.
      And of course, a good mayor, an economic manager in Odessa, would not hurt. To each his own.
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      2. mazhnikof.Niko
        mazhnikof.Niko 1 July 2014 16: 09
        +1
        Quote: volot-voin
        Wasserman is a spokesperson for the press. Expresses a certain opinion, often correct. Oh good in its place.


        Quote: volot-voin
        And of course, a good mayor, an economic manager in Odessa, would not hurt. To each his own.


        Absolutely right! Iron plus YOU! And now, guys JOKING about the article, do it in vain. Not understanding the problems - solving them is not possible. Let’s, at least, try to realize UNIVERSAL PROBLEMS, THEN, maybe, and it will be easier and easier to solve them!
    3. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 1 July 2014 17: 37
      +1
      namely Russia !!! and certainly ALL previous Minobrov to account for the collapse of the education system! moreover, led by the prime minister - DAM !!! am
    4. UREC
      UREC 1 July 2014 17: 54
      +1
      Putin's Advisers !!! Very competent comrade.
  2. Giant thought
    Giant thought 1 July 2014 15: 03
    +30
    In order to survive in modern conditions, Russia urgently needs to revive the Soviet education system, the best of all the systems that existed on earth in our civilization.
    1. timer
      timer 1 July 2014 15: 24
      +11
      I agree with komentom 100%. On my own, I add that the system of technical education should be connected with the industrial production system so that it would not be necessary to retrain the young specialist.
      1. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 1 July 2014 17: 40
        +1
        and even that a young graduate would be able to work not only in language, but also in hands! winked
      2. max702
        max702 1 July 2014 18: 26
        0
        Wasserman is absolutely right now a huge problem with techies, and then it will only get worse .. It’s not clear what the world behind the scenes is trying to achieve a general educational level in the whole world (this includes the delivery of Gaster to Europe, the destruction of national cultures, religious hysteria, the decline in the prestige of science, propaganda obscurantism) who will do for them all the benefits of civilization? All that surrounds us is a consequence of technological progress, who will pull everything forward? Stability is the beginning of decline, either forward or backward, no other is given .. Are the powers that be in the world of fantasy so widely read that they want to live in the Middle Ages? But this is not only balls and castles, but also the lack of normal clothes, housing and everything that is around, and God forbid medicine, and with it the average life expectancy of 40 years. Does this world puppeteers want?
    2. Nahum
      Nahum 1 July 2014 15: 25
      0
      Even earlier it was very good. not a bad classical education in the Russian Empire. But there is no point in returning to the old. Everything constantly needs a reasonable upgrade. We must keep up to date without losing basic values. By the way - I would not mind teaching in schools the Law of God without fail and in a reasonable amount.
      1. Nikolav
        Nikolav 1 July 2014 16: 32
        +3
        In a multiconfessional country, this will not work. If only optional.
      2. urganov
        urganov 1 July 2014 22: 48
        0
        And by all means tear off the ears and the rest of the tricks for those who are trying to load any young heads with any, I emphasize ANY religious troubles.
    3. hoard
      hoard 1 July 2014 15: 30
      +2
      Again the slogans)))
      If you mean school under the Soviet system of education, then I completely agree with you.
      But the author writes about professional and engineering education. Under socialism, a huge number of universities were created, which gave a lot of under-engineers with all the consequences. And at the same time, the prestige of a highly skilled worker was dropped. Why come back to this ?!
      1. arch_kate3
        arch_kate3 1 July 2014 16: 11
        +2
        But this is not true! Very good engineers graduated, thanks to whose work we have been "afloat" until now! And how many of them left to work abroad? I am for development, but on a good past base!
        1. hoard
          hoard 1 July 2014 20: 45
          0
          20% - good (thanks to them, and kept afloat), 30% - mediocre and 50% - none. My parents worked in 2 different research institutes with GUIs - the whole work of a group of 5-8 people was pulled by 1-2, the rest - ballast. My personal experience of study, service, work, this alignment later confirmed. Maybe I'm wrong, someone in this plan was more fortunate, but I doubt it)))
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      2. Irokez
        Irokez 1 July 2014 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: magot
        Under socialism, a huge number of universities were created, which gave a lot of under-engineers with all the consequences. And at the same time, the prestige of a highly skilled worker was dropped. Why come back to this ?!

        I do not agree with you. The fact that there were many universities and many with higher education is, on the contrary, good. Even if people did not work in their specialty and sat at home with a child with higher education, but getting any job were much more capable and competent than the usual 10, or even 8 classmates. Education has not bothered anyone yet and intelligence has developed both thinking and a general level of knowledge, which is better than simple ignoramuses.
        With regard to specialists from abroad, we have different higher education systems when in the West they teach specifically something (highly specialized in our opinion), and in our country it is more expanded, but less specific, which is more correct because it is not in any specialty at any other place our specialist always delved into the essence of the matter and then learned it on the spot with excellent results later, and the foreign specialist just sniffed it into two holes, not understanding what it was and how to work with it, but knew how to cross stitch perfectly.
        Considering that in case of loss of work, it is necessary to look for a new one, our people are quicker and better adapted than Western people who sometimes just become homeless on subsidies living and free lunches.
        To take Japan and the United States is the difference: the United States wants to hire an emerald so that it brings money, and the Japanese take a rough stone and cut it and polish it to perfection, and we are likely somewhere in the middle - in the middle ground.
        1. Nikolav
          Nikolav 1 July 2014 16: 42
          +1
          Quite right. Remember Raikin. "Forget everything you were taught at the institute." And retrained like this: "Pull on this thing, click on the pimp, twist the squiggle, then jump aside, pretend to be rags and don't shine, otherwise it will hurt!" (Mikhail Zadornov) And retrained!)))
        2. hoard
          hoard 1 July 2014 20: 50
          0
          Quote: Irokez
          but getting any job was much more capable and competent than the usual 10, or even 8 classmates. Education has not disturbed anyone yet and intelligence has developed both thinking and a general level of knowledge, which is better than simple ignoramuses.
          I agree, but do you realize the price-effectiveness ratio of such an educational practice for the state? USSR collapsed including and for similar reasons.
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      3. tolancop
        tolancop 1 July 2014 17: 02
        +5
        I can not agree with you.
        1. Professional education.
        In the USSR, there were 2 branches of vocational education:
        a) vocational school. They scolded him a lot and reasonably. But it gave some skills of professional activity, and the birdman was already brought to the "condition" in production. Vocational schools, by the way, were also different: they gave good training and so-so. IMHO, it depended on what kind of enterprise the vocational school and the teaching staff were focused on.
        b) Institute of factory apprenticeship. I myself went through it, and therefore I can justifiably say that the system was very good. Perhaps I was lucky to get into a good team at a good enterprise, and therefore, within a couple of months I put knowledge and skills into my head and hands that made it possible to cope with rather complicated tasks. During the army service I had to deal with graduates of vocational schools in a similar specialty. And it turned out that with my 1st plumbing rank I know and can do much more than having the 3rd grade from vocational schools. But, as I wrote above, vocational schools have a right to exist.
        2. Engineering education.
        Probably (and even for sure) there were a lot of universities that gave a lot of underengineers. But there were and now are "giants" who gave good training. And a lot depends on the student himself: if he came to cut the army off, and fool around, then no teacher will make you smart.
        Moreover, unfortunately, the realities of the USSR were such that in order to occupy a certain position, a person was required to have an appropriate engineering diploma, despite the presence of more than enough practical training.
        A lecturer at the institute told the story of how he went to one of the branches to receive a session with students. I took it from almost everyone. In the evening, the chairman of the city executive committee comes to the hotel and asks to take an exam from a certain student right at his workplace. To the teacher's perplexed question with what joy such indulgences are, the official explained: “You see, Ivanov is the head of the largest workshop of such and such a plant and cannot leave production in any way, because the plant is" driving "the annual plan. Ivanov even sleeps in his office. And he needs an engineering degree to the bone, otherwise he will be dismissed on formal grounds, and it is a huge problem to find a replacement for him. Ivanov has prepared for delivery, and I ask you to get into the position ... As for the fact that you will be late for the train, do not worry - my "Volga" is at your disposal and at any time will take you to Moscow .. ". So that...

        And I cannot agree about the "dropped" prestige of a highly qualified worker - they have always been valued. Rather, there was a bias in wages depending on the locality.

        And I’ll add. Even the most unobtrusive technical university gave those wishing some training and the person became MUCHER. Maybe he didn’t reach the engineer, but if he wasn’t completely gouging, HOW TO GET KNOWLEDGE I got an idea myself.
        1. hoard
          hoard 1 July 2014 22: 56
          0
          Quote: tolancop
          And I cannot agree about the "dropped" prestige of a highly qualified worker - they have always been valued

          They are now worth its weight in gold, if not drinker. But in my workshops now men over fifty stand behind machine tools, and you will not even find young people who are even average skilled in the afternoon with fire - young people are not going to work. And you say - not dropped.
          Quote: tolancop
          Even the most unobtrusive technical university gave those wishing some training and the person became MUCHER. Maybe he didn’t reach the engineer, but if he wasn’t completely gouging, HOW TO GET KNOWLEDGE I got an idea myself.
          It is, of course, good when the people are generally more educated. But, sorry for the cynicism, it's not worth it. excessively expensive for the country, and low emissions.
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    5. 97110
      97110 1 July 2014 15: 50
      +2
      Quote: Giant thought
      In order to survive in modern conditions, Russia urgently needs to revive the Soviet education system, the best of all the systems that existed on earth in our civilization.

      And to her also Soviet people.
    6. 97110
      97110 1 July 2014 15: 50
      0
      Quote: Giant thought
      In order to survive in modern conditions, Russia urgently needs to revive the Soviet education system, the best of all the systems that existed on earth in our civilization.

      And to her also Soviet people.
  3. Altona
    Altona 1 July 2014 15: 07
    +5
    The liberal is not able to come up with a competent concept of development, does not see natural advantages, does not know the basics of many natural sciences, therefore all his attempts at mental activity are reduced to deceiving his neighbor ("people hawala") and the destruction of society - consumerism, hedonism and other asocial tricks .. In his psychology, he relies on the desecration of the foundations of the state and society ("Putin and the beavers are to blame for everything"), since they prevent uncontrolled theft and export of money and engage in debauchery in any form ...
  4. Glowworm
    Glowworm 1 July 2014 15: 11
    +13
    I agree with the author. My daughter is growing up and I can easily explain to her how an airplane takes off, using Lanzberg's textbook, throwing in a corner what was given to her at school based on someone else's idea of ​​physics. It is necessary to return our old school to the school (sorry for the tautology). It was necessary to do this yesterday, before we ourselves ruined our children's intelligence to please our "neighbors".
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 1 July 2014 16: 38
      +2
      Quote: Firefly
      throwing in a corner what they gave her at school based on someone else's idea of ​​physics.

      Here, even educational books are written so cunningly and so confused that children studying them simply do not understand what they mean. Dry, scientific language in children's books is simply unacceptable and you need to take into account the psyche of children, so that they understandably give knowledge on the examples of their childhood worldview and, as they grow older, increase the scientific nature of the explanations of the materials.
      But this is also a diversion in the way of providing information and training. Sores tried in due time.
  5. Vend
    Vend 1 July 2014 15: 17
    -2
    Something Wasserman broke up laughing
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 1 July 2014 20: 02
      0
      Quote: Wend
      Something Wasserman broke up

      Listen to a smart person - it will be beneficial to those who understand. And your comment for comment - these are slurred emotions. Personally, I haven’t minus you.
  6. frostof63
    frostof63 1 July 2014 15: 18
    +3
    Quote: ispaniard
    Oh, Wasserman would be in the mayors of Odessa;)! A better minister of education, if not Russia, then New Russia.

    if they don’t succeed, they will devour them, it is necessary to break the education system, soon our children (and not only) will slide to the level of Americans, we need to stimulate talents (and not only talents), create favorable conditions for their activities at home, enough to export minds to chapad
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 July 2014 15: 19
    +6
    Wasserman is great. Looks at the root. A technically literate society is needed, even if not all literate people are directly involved in production. It is much more difficult for a technically literate person, into whom the laws of conservation are "hammered", to "powder their brains" with advertising of wonderful things and drugs. Which simply cannot exist, for the most general reasons.
  8. starhina01
    starhina01 1 July 2014 15: 20
    0
    as someone said, I don’t remember who, FRAMES DECIDE EVERYTHING!
    1. 70BSN
      70BSN 1 July 2014 15: 23
      0
      Usually in the army they say so) good
    2. sever.56
      sever.56 1 July 2014 15: 38
      0
      Read the article carefully. About this said I.V. Stalin.
  9. volot-voin
    volot-voin 1 July 2014 15: 20
    +3
    Thoughts are certainly correct. Until we break the ridge of the liberal beast, there will be no order in Russia. So do not relax.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 1 July 2014 15: 22
    +6
    Everything is correct and intelligently written .. I’ll add from my own experience .. unfortunately, there is a class of officials in Russia who lick hemorrhoids, and do not treat .. that is, they cover up the problem, and do not try to solve it .. They are completely in my field -Mintrans, and in the rest I think not a little ..
  11. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 1 July 2014 15: 24
    +3
    the economic block of the government (EBP) of the Russian Federation itself repeats post-industrialist and other libertarian spells.

    Like parrots in the west they are repeating everything and slowly we are rolling behind them into the abyss ... You don’t need to invent anything here, just remember the recent past of our country and adjust it a bit to the current realities!
    1. 97110
      97110 1 July 2014 17: 01
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      There is nothing to invent here, you just need to remember the recent past of our country, slightly adjust it to the current realities, that's all!

      The trouble is that you don’t have to invent anything, but you have to work. And here they are just trying to get in, that there is no need to work, the market will regulate everything itself or something else. The main thing is that you don’t have to work.
  12. nils
    nils 1 July 2014 15: 24
    +11
    Dear Wasserman, covertly tries to explain the collapse of the education system, industrial production of Russia by the natural processes of the movement of post-industrial society.
    In my opinion, everything is much simpler. There are no natural processes in the world.
    Everything is explained by the achievement of certain goals by specific groups of people.
    Therefore, the appearance of Serdyukov, Skrynnik, Fursenkov, Mutko, Livanov, Chubais in power is not a coincidence, but a regularity.

    But the conclusions are real:
    "... our education will again become meaningful and useful not before replacing the libertarian economic bloc of the government."
    I would like to add - not only education. And the question is - who is the replacement for?
    Without fundamental changes in all domestic politics, with a concrete assessment of past figures,
    will be AWLED ON SOAP.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 1 July 2014 15: 47
      +1
      Without fundamental changes in all domestic politics, with a concrete assessment of past figures,
      will be AWLED ON SOAP.

      I agree, but look around you don’t change anyone, nepotism, patronage around, the social elevator does not work, there is no elevator .. change the social system .. more democracy ..
  13. Normal
    Normal 1 July 2014 15: 27
    +1
    It is necessary to drive in the neck .... Wasserman!
    Cleverness, bubbling conceit based on naked erudition and an irrepressible desire to teach the foolish. But! Obsequious fawning on the part of the supreme authority, praising Putin, and reluctance to acknowledge the simple fact that there is NO above that is not acceptable to Putin!
    After the start of the THIRD term for Putin’s presidency, 2 (TWO !!!) years have passed. Has the attitude of the Supreme Power changed towards industrial production, education, or the development path in general during THIS TIME? Quite a short time, by the way. And the EBP has nothing to do with it; no matter how hard the Wassermans try to divert the conversation to the side, however much they brainwash us - THE PRESIDENT DETERMINES THE POLICY! And EBP - you coggle clerks implementing PRESIDENTIAL POLICY.
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 1 July 2014 15: 45
      +5
      So, by the way ... production in Russia is growing ... slowly, yes, but steadily ... you read the review sites dedicated specifically to production / not production /, I think, reconsider your opinion .. and in general, what kind of prom. have you purchased products in the last 10-15 years of our production? None ... and they used Bush's legs ... now - a much larger assortment ... and indeed, more than half of foreign cars on the roads are collected in the Russian Federation. The regeneration process is not quick and painful ... but it is progressing ... well, in a small addition to the article of my respected Wasserman - to recreate the vocational school system, train engineers at the expense of local administrations, with the obligation to work out that money in 5 years at the plant .. .that is a piece of the Soviet system, it is not difficult to restore it .... otherwise it got divorced - designers, lawyers, economists, etc. The state should not copy the business that it wants "here and now", that is, to cut the dough in an easy way ... this is a long-term investment ... but there are no other ways if we do not want to remain a raw material appendage ... Vissarionich was right in -speed of personnel :-) And the last thing - for the years that have elapsed since 1881, what decent helmsmen in Russia can you name? Alexander III, Stalin ... and ... - that's right, you know the answer yourself
    2. Deff
      Deff 1 July 2014 18: 39
      +3
      Quote: Normal
      It is necessary to drive in the neck ...

      1. Wasserman does not please anyone, and declares his position of support for Putin loudly and says, while I trust him - I support, if I stop trusting, I will give up.
      2. To change positions in industry, you need to change everything, from the constitution and the banking system. For the first is related to the second. To do this, you need to make a revolution from above, and not to be killed. If you have read history, then Putin was replaced by Yeltsin by the Alfa-Bank group, from part of Putin's custody (see Berezovsky, partly Obramovich, but many remained). For a revolution, a completely loyal army and the FSB are needed from above. With the army, it seems, they almost decided (although it is difficult to control each general, but there are those who hobble those who do not support). The FSB and part of the parliament remained.
  14. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 1 July 2014 15: 27
    +7
    And most importantly, for both of these revivals, we need to be aware of the causes of the problem we are facing.
    And finally, the most important thing is that since the year 91, we have conscientiously created these reasons with our own hands!
    1. Deff
      Deff 1 July 2014 18: 49
      +1
      Yeltsin is Yatsenyuk's version of 01, delivered by the States, including the entire ruling elite of that time, see Zadornova, how he met all of them (the time of Yeltsin) at a meeting in the United States Regional Committee in America, some regular monthly forum led by one of the main the crushmen. I personally communicated with Gref (then the Minister of Economic Development), this topic also slipped through, and this was somehow considered natural in those days, typical of Ukraine now. Xing candidates in the field of education and finance must be approved in the United States throughout the post-Soviet space.
  15. sever.56
    sever.56 1 July 2014 15: 32
    +5
    A smart person and a great analyst. hi
  16. akula
    akula 1 July 2014 15: 42
    +9
    Education must be addressed immediately, every year the Ministry of Education. pleases us with moronic innovations, the impression is that the officials from the Ministry of Education. "the fifth column" and are slowly and surely working on the collapse of Russia. Where is the way out?
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 1 July 2014 18: 00
      +1
      disperse the economic bloc of government! Wasserman gives competent advice! angry
  17. demo_mag
    demo_mag 1 July 2014 15: 46
    +4
    Eh ... I cannot but agree with the Author. The problem in education is ubiquitous. I work in France and have already seen many students. You should have seen that here students and post-docs (people who, in theory, should already compose the experiment themselves, think over it and perform it) are doing it. The first few years I was in shock. Now I can say that the most advanced students from Europeans come from its eastern part. If you look around the world, then India and Iran. I would especially like to mention India - there has not yet been a single "dumb" student.
  18. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 1 July 2014 15: 47
    +9
    Wasserman is right. We have raised a generation of managers. Everyone wants to manage, shift papers, or command something. But to produce and do something of their own - no.
    Now it’s hard to find a good techie. Our education has become disgusting. The emphasis is on humanitarian, not technical education. Soon, no one will be able to do something with their own hands. It will be impossible to find a good chemist, physicist, nuclear engineer, steelworker, locksmith, turner, plumber, welder, engineer, tractor driver and the like.
    The Ministry of Education should reduce the universities that produce unnecessary specialists, who are mostly fake and unclaimed by the labor market. It is necessary to increase the enrollment in technical universities, give them benefits, and allocate more free training places in them. Revive and increase vocational education, taking their students to state security.
    People need to be trained to work, and not to be a consumer society.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 1 July 2014 16: 10
      +3
      You are mistaken, we did not raise anyone, but simply all "our American friends" imposed on us and introduced, with the help of the Gaidar-Chubais "call," the HSE natives, who are simply not capable of anything, except for "grinding the dough" and admiration for the "Western values ​​"! And now all this will have to disentangle the GDP and in any case (outcome) it will be extreme!
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 1 July 2014 17: 58
      +2
      and here you are a young man going against the policy of our "government" and in particular Minister Fursenko, who said, I quote: "We must raise a competent consumer", notice not the manufacturer, but the consumer, who will not know how to produce, but only eat and ... be! am
  19. zao74
    zao74 1 July 2014 15: 49
    0
    Again, the liberals muddied the water. To the count of all!
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 July 2014 15: 51
    0
    It’s useful for the author to fly to Silicon Valley or to the town of Cambridge
    near Boston (where Harvard, MIT). It is very informative to see for yourself
    a true modern industrial and post-industrial society,
    before criticizing him. With an abundance of high-end technical
    specialists, representatives of all conceivable peoples of the Earth and their crosses.

    I don’t know how to solve the problems of Russia in this area, but, for example,
    Israel has largely solved its problems of industrialization
    (and technical education of youth, as a result) by simple copying
    American experience.
  21. Tilkus75
    Tilkus75 1 July 2014 15: 51
    +3
    Quote: ispaniard
    Oh, Wasserman would be in the mayors of Odessa;)! A better minister of education, if not Russia, then New Russia.

    Thinkers are not able to control! Woe from the mind .... Decisions are made with a sufficient degree of risk and thinkers can’t calculate everything, because they ask themselves too many questions and each new question raises two more (chain reaction), as a result of continuous doubt. How to manage here?
  22. UV58
    UV58 1 July 2014 15: 54
    +5
    the right train of thought.
    As a programmer, all complications in programs serve the purpose of simplification. and in order to use "simplicity" you need to know what is going on three levels lower, where all simplicity is tenfold complexity. progress is deceiving: it seems to simplify life, but in fact, for specialists, it complicates it many times over. you can close your eyes to this and eat only cream, but this is temporary, until the first problems, then specialists will be needed, for whom simplicity is complexity.
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  23. Intensive
    Intensive 1 July 2014 16: 00
    0
    Wasserman is a project the same as Kuraev or many others like him. Artificial "authority" designed to PR and PR power. All of his article is either obvious, or a facelift of the authorities, which first destroyed the manufacturing industry, and now, after reading forums like this one, is trying to wash it off. And he does it in approximately the following manner: "You know, we have learned here - it turns out that our agriculture is completely absent. And with industrialization something is not entirely clear .. It seems that it was, but now it is not."
  24. Tilkus75
    Tilkus75 1 July 2014 16: 01
    0
    Quote: UV58
    then you will need specialists for whom simplicity is complexity.




    So also advisers and not managers.
  25. Vitynar
    Vitynar 1 July 2014 16: 04
    +3
    In a situation when an engineer in Moscow is paid 15 thousand rubles (see, for example, the Khrunichev Center, this is where Protons are made - http://gderabotaem.ru/zarplata/E2559J294P1/?xl=2), and the secretary - 60 thousand, then you need to be a downright idiot to think that it is possible to rectify the situation by some kind of appeals "all to engineers and workers!"
    1. Evgeniy1
      Evgeniy1 1 July 2014 16: 18
      0
      The secretary has longer legs, and the communications engineer has shorter ones!
  26. Grandfather Victor
    Grandfather Victor 1 July 2014 16: 20
    +4
    I still can’t understand how it was possible to get to such clinical idiocy as declaring and following the formula: we don’t need our own production, we’ll buy everything we need for oil and gas! And at the same time apply for any other status, except for the raw material colony.
  27. Russian_German
    Russian_German 1 July 2014 16: 35
    0
    Quote: Irokez

    I assure you that the giants of thought can be all the main thing several conditions:
    - discretion
    - reasonableness
    - pragmatism
    - well-read
    - charisma
    All of these factors add up wisdom and resilience with the choice of the right decisions for the situation. Unpretentiousness to your "I" also plays a big role because a person is not fixated on his Ego and does not require much attention to his person (immunity from star fever or, as in fairy tales, copper pipes are written).
    And in fact, if a person drives his Ego into a mouse hole so that it does not shine a little, then he will notice that they began to relate to him differently and it can be nice.
    Be wise and rational than nonchalant and reckless. IMHO.

    One point is missing, magnificent, if not phenomenal memory. Notice how Anatoly easily manipulates different dates, data, and facts in a conversation. This speaks not only of well-read, but magnificent memory. After all, all these facts must still be kept in mind.
  28. Russian_German
    Russian_German 1 July 2014 16: 46
    +2
    In a situation when an engineer in Moscow is paid 15 thousand rubles (see, for example, the Khrunichev Center, this is where Protons are made - http://gderabotaem.ru/zarplata/E2559J294P1/?xl=2), and the secretary - 60 thousand, then you need to be a downright idiot to think that it is possible to rectify the situation by some kind of appeals "all to engineers and workers!"
    Well, sorry for being rude, they have a secretary, but there is no engineer. While the corporal will prevail over the spiritual, we will not see us reborn in a real modern industrial and post-industrial society, such as the Serdyukov team. To such rams as Serdyukov, who by the way does not sit for some reason, personal joys and his own pocket are more expensive than the interests and needs of the state.
  29. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 1 July 2014 17: 51
    +2
    I read the article, and very attentively comments, the conclusion is one: WE all understand very well where the dog rummaged, but our "government doesn't understand at all! The conclusion suggests itself: our government, the WHOLE economic bloc are BOTH from Uncle Sam am
    1. Intensive
      Intensive 1 July 2014 18: 13
      +1
      Yes, that's just they themselves will not leave, and they can arrange a likeness of Ukraine when they completely resign.
    2. Intensive
      Intensive 1 July 2014 18: 13
      0
      Yes, that's just they themselves will not leave, and they can arrange a likeness of Ukraine when they completely resign.
  30. horoh
    horoh 1 July 2014 18: 08
    +2
    The article is very good and undoubtedly correct, but they have been talking about the return of our school for a long time, only the government does not react in any way, and it is absolutely itchy !!! The question is why? !!!
    1. Intensive
      Intensive 1 July 2014 18: 14
      +1
      There was no indication from Uncle Sam.
    2. Intensive
      Intensive 1 July 2014 18: 14
      0
      There was no indication from Uncle Sam.
  31. gregor6549
    gregor6549 1 July 2014 18: 19
    0
    Wasserman, of course, the head, and maybe even two. But when he talks about technology, some questions arise, in particular, does he understand everything in the question that he raised.
    There are two options for the development of industry and technology manufactured by this industry.
    Option times: planned, when both develops (or does not develop) on the basis of plans launched from above and allocated funds.
    Second: competitive, when production is private or mixed (public-private) and financing is also private or mixed.
    The first option was already in the days of the USSR. With this option, both the production efficiency and the quality of the produced equipment left much to be desired, but both were compensated for by duplication (when similar types of equipment and weapons were produced by several enterprises) as well as the amount of equipment. Let us recall how the masses of T34 literally overwhelmed with their "bodies" the Tigers superior in quality and efficiency, and if this did not help, then the Tigers beat them with suitable artillery, which they also released in excess. At the same time, the efficiency / cost parameter did not seem to exist. As much was needed, so much was allocated.
    With the disappearance of the planned system, the competitive system never appeared. Instead, the so-called United corporations are public-private entities that do not fit into either of two options: i.e. and fit poorly into the planning system not all private owners like when they impose an unprofitable type of product and they don’t dance with competition (what kind of competition is it within the same structure?) So there is an imitation of violent activity with the cutting of the most tidbit pieces of the budget, or not quite what was expected of them, or not at all. And what was expected is promised (blood from the nose) in the best case of years through 20 or even later. That's when this, in principle, simple problem with the SYSTEM is solved, then the technique will appear, and the frames that will take possession of it (or vice versa). In the meantime, Chubais rule and others like them, one can only dream about decent shots and decent technology
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 1 July 2014 22: 03
      0
      Quote: gregor6549
      Let us recall how the masses of T34 literally filled up with their "bodies" the Tigers superior in quality and efficiency

      Eck you got carried away .. First, a different class of cars. And secondly, the "effectiveness" of the Tigers at a long distance became negligible as they got closer. And ... somehow it is not very clear, on the basis of what you made such a conclusion?
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 1 July 2014 22: 10
      +1
      Quote: gregor6549
      Instead, the so-called united corporations representing public private structures

      Yes, and take good advice: re-read (or read Yes ) "Capital" K. Marx. These corporations, with the participation, as a rule, of international capital - the upper stage of the evolution of capitalist society. The period of competition ends - a period of wars begins, which aims at the final redistribution of the world, as a result of which several corporations will stupidly squeeze the juices out of the toiling gray mass. Development as such is no longer interesting to them.
  32. saag
    saag 1 July 2014 18: 35
    +1
    What Anatol says is half-measures, even half-measures, capitalism lives today, what will bring profit today, the development strategy of the USSR was such that it included elements of space expansion, so the emphasis was on technical disciplines, if you want to return to normal education, change the system
    1. Deff
      Deff 1 July 2014 19: 09
      +2
      If you don’t go over to socialism right away, you can try to move towards state capitalism when 40 percent of system-forming enterprises (defense, space, energy) are in the hands of the state, which, with a strong leader, will allow you to cross over to a partially planned economy in strategic areas (by the way, Wasserman has an excellent opus on this topic)
  33. avia1991
    avia1991 1 July 2014 21: 00
    +1
    All this is, of course, true. And many have long seen, with the naked eye, that the policy of the "top" is aimed at collapse, and not the revival of education, especially secondary education. And in this regard, regarding the ending of the article
    In particular, the current composition of the electronic signature does not show signs of understanding the reasons for the inoperability of the current imitation of post-industrialism. This means that our education will again become meaningful and useful no earlier than replacing the libertarian electronic signature with a sane one.
    the question arises for the respected Wasserman:
    And who, in your opinion, will deal with the replacement of the specified electronic components? ..
  34. Bayun
    Bayun 2 July 2014 00: 20
    +1
    Liberalism is a consequence of materialism. If you dig in, you will find out that even mathematics and physics are no more than "three elephants on a turtle." Humanities is not a science at all, but a collection of information - by definition. Consequence: abandoning the faithful monarchical (from God) control system, clever people through IDEAS (from the human mind) (19-20 centuries) switched to MYTHAM (21c; also from the mind, BUT - almost like "from God") in the interests of international Webin (special service-corporation-bandits-media-politicians-ministers of cults-"common people"). We get: a fascist Jew, a Christian Islamist (Jesuit), a good-natured murderer (the film "Brother"), a sodomite family man, and other "funny guys" who even a goblin cannot understand. If you "look at the root", education and industry - "will not be enough"; there is a need for an official change in the perception of the world, like the grandfathers "made a fairy tale come true," and we will not violate Nature: it is easier to turn reality into a GOOD fairy tale ...
  35. tolancop
    tolancop 2 July 2014 00: 26
    +1
    Quote: gregor6549
    ...
    There are two options for the development of industry and technology manufactured by this industry.
    Option times: planned, when both develops (or does not develop) on the basis of plans launched from above and allocated funds.
    Second: competitive, when production is private or mixed (public-private) and financing is also private or mixed.
    The first option was already in the days of the USSR. With this option, both the production efficiency and the quality of the produced equipment left much to be desired, but both were compensated for by duplication (when similar types of equipment and weapons were produced by several enterprises) as well as the amount of equipment. Let us recall how the masses of T34 literally overwhelmed with their "bodies" the Tigers superior in quality and efficiency, and if this did not help, then the Tigers were beaten with suitable artillery, which they also released in excess. At the same time, the efficiency / cost parameter did not seem to exist. As much was needed, so much was allocated ...

    I will not dispute the statement about the best quality and effectiveness of the Tiger against the T-34. I will give another example: "... The most ingenious design in the field of cannon artillery ..". Who said? The general is German, and the Germans are not the worst specialists in artillery. What is it about? Yes about the ZiS-3 cannon. About the one designed by the Soviet engineer Grabin. "Katyusha" gave the Germans a light, SVT-40 was a welcome trophy for the Germans. The list is long. So there is no need to argue that Soviet products were ineffective. It happened in different ways.
    1. Zomanus
      Zomanus 2 July 2014 06: 06
      0
      I think that it is somewhat incorrect to compare military equipment and, say, household equipment. And the parties produced are different and the conditions of use and requirements for reliability. A planned economy is bad when there is an unreasonable overestimation of plans to the detriment of modernization and critical parameters.
  36. Hope1960
    Hope1960 2 July 2014 01: 28
    +1
    In education, we entered the Bologna system, which imposed on us the notorious USE and all other changes in education! It is disgusting that the teachers were equated with the service personnel - the function of education was taken away !!! And without this it will turn out "at the exit" - an educated bastard, which is what we see: estimates are bought, but there is no knowledge !!! It is necessary to apply the experience of the USSR - a unified program (with regional amendments); state-controlled textbooks, vocational schools, as support for the poor and further opportunities for higher education. Education should be available to everyone - only then you can choose talented from the general mass !!! Wasserman is right: as long as US alumni rule in the government, these ideas will stall!
  37. Zomanus
    Zomanus 2 July 2014 06: 03
    0
    The main thing is that it wouldn’t turn out that the foreigners would take off the cream from our education simply by luring our specialists to themselves. By the way, it’s happening now in large quantities. Somehow we have not yet learned to value talents with us, they believe that he must be hungry without fail. This also needs to be broken.