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Rogozin: Americans come to their senses "after a sanctioned stupor"

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Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that the United States is recovering "after a sanction stench" and want to increase purchases of rocket engines in Russia, said Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

Rogozin: Americans come to their senses "after a sanctioned stupor"


He stressed that the United States is already purchasing K-33 and RD-180 engines. But now they have expressed a desire to increase the volume of purchases.

It should be noted that comments on this issue from the United States administration have not yet been received.

According to Rogozin, at the same time China became interested in acquiring Russian rocket engines.
“They also need these engines to remove more serious loads, we are interested in such supplies”
declared Rogozin.

As is known, the Pentagon has previously called on the country's leadership to review cooperation between Russia and the United States in the military-technical sector in order to reduce the latter’s dependence on Russian supplies and, in particular, on rocket engines. Overseas experts, in turn, calculated that the development of a domestic engine, which would replace the Russian RD-180, could take up to 6 years and cost the US treasury about $ 1,5 billion.
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 30 June 2014 17: 07
    +112
    Well, raise the price .... tell me ... if it was ... the sanctions affected ...

    or better yet, propose a cheaper alternative ... well, these Proton ones ... still don't fly ...
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 June 2014 17: 20
      +55
      Quote: vorobey
      Well, raise the price .... tell me ... if it was ... the sanctions affected ...

      or better yet, propose a cheaper alternative ... well, these Proton ones ... still don't fly ...

      - They are walking through the desert Russian and Jew.
      A Jew found a bag of gold, and a Russian - a bag of food. They walked, the Jew wanted to eat. He speaks Russian:
      - Let's play the market with you, you will be a seller, and I will be a buyer.
      Russian answers:
      - Come on.
      A Jew approaches Russian and says:
      - Ivan, how much do you have these sandwiches?
      - A bag of gold.
      “Van, it's expensive.”
      - And you walk around the market, maybe you'll find cheaper. bully
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 30 June 2014 17: 27
        +12
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        And you walk around the market, maybe you'll find cheaper


        Well, Ukrainians still have dviguny but few ..
      2. armageddon
        armageddon 30 June 2014 17: 28
        +9
        Hmm ... An anecdote to the TOPIC ... LET SEARCH CHEAPER ... For what we Fought for it and RANGE !!!
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        2. Stalker
          Stalker 30 June 2014 18: 38
          +4
          Hmm ... Anecdote to the THEME


          It's good to be a black man. The hole in the socks is not visible. (For Barack) ...

          Yes, and Vova missed ... laughing
          1. PValery53
            PValery53 30 June 2014 20: 11
            +2
            Africans have light hands and soles.
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 30 June 2014 17: 33
      +14
      yes send them to .. mother, let them fly on a trampoline!
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 30 June 2014 18: 06
        +11
        ShturmKGB
        yes send them to .. mother, let them fly on a trampoline!

        Any, absolutely any deal with them can be marked with a "+" sign only when Washington becomes the administrative center of the "Overseas Federal District" of the Russian Federation.
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 30 June 2014 20: 28
          +3
          1812 1945 RU "Any, absolutely any transaction with them can be marked with a" + "sign only when Washington becomes the administrative center of the" Overseas Federal District "of the Russian Federation."
          ---------------------------------------------------------
          Under such conditions, I also agree to sell them something, but the trouble is, it seems there are predictions that America will be CAPTURE soon ...
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 30 June 2014 22: 24
            +2
            Quote: alexdol
            but the trouble is, like there are predictions that America will be CAPTURE soon ...

            These forecasts do not say WHAT Kaput. And most likely political and economic. And to whom should they then rush for protection? The whole world has so many "teeth" on them that they will tear them apart without looking! So they will have to ask Russia to take it "under the wing" ..
            And what an option! wink
      2. zennon
        zennon 30 June 2014 19: 04
        +9
        ShturmKGB
        yes send them to .. mother, let them fly on a trampoline!

        It’s not a problem to breed these swarms! Well, tell me how many units of world-class precision engineering we produce and sell for export not to Cuba and Vietnam with Angola, but to America? You need to calm down and cooperate. .As air we need the image of a reliable, convenient, friendly supplier of exclusive extra class equipment, and not the image of a "world gas station"! Movers are not bad, but in fact it is a half of a masterpiece of scientific, design, materials science
        й
        and engineering thought-RD 170 (lucky, I happened to see them once in Khimki)! We don't need them. We don't use them - the project "Rus M" is closed. On the "Angara" is RD-191. And they cost about 10 $ apiece! You understand, a.m..e. we will find a replacement, but we will lose the market! And yet, we are not signing contracts for their further supply-sanctions, their mother ...
        1. max73
          max73 30 June 2014 19: 21
          +7
          comrade, comments on the case haven’t been on this resource for some time now, alas ... photo jokes, demotivators and ... hats are in use here. For example, the forum has not been working here for more than a year - obviously the problem is not from the category of technical .... (
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 30 June 2014 19: 26
          +5
          Quote: zennon
          It’s not the thing to breed these swags!

          All this is clear but what about the honor of a power? They are a dirty rag for us to eat, and we will consider a penny? Another conversation. that you need to find other markets, and for the finished product, and not for copyright. At each sale, stipulate (and control the agreed) use of the product.
          Quote: zennon
          As air, we need the image of a reliable, convenient, friendly supplier

          Yes, you at least turn your skin out, you will never become a friend for them (USA), and it's silly to hope so. They will only respect power, but they will consider kindness weakness. hi
          1. Muadipus
            Muadipus 30 June 2014 20: 54
            +4
            Ingvar, and here, I agree with you. Despite the fact that zennon is also right, money does not like emotions.
            It just so happens that only power is respected. Look, the Americans are not the most reliable partners at all and pay badly on obligations, and half the world lies before them.
            According to sabzh, since sanctions are imposed .. the word is not a sparrow ... said so answer. Today, the Americans themselves decided to stop cooperating with us. Well, it doesn’t matter. As if we lived in the 90s in vain. Let now buy engines through intermediaries, in the person of Belarus for example, or North Korea. Then it will be clearly demonstrated that image is more important or stupid money. And something tells me that the Americans will turn on the back sooner than the engines they will buy from Korea.

            And, 10mln $ / pc against the background of the costs of eliminating the consequences of the nasty things that the United States does to us daily ... not the money.
            Considering the fact that if there are no engines, then there will be no rockets, there will be no rockets, then there will be no flights into space. which means that the demand for flights of our missiles will increase. Plus prestige and respect.
            And the mere pleasure of poking a finger toward the United States and its minions as an underdeveloped country that even a satellite cannot put into orbit ... is worth something.
            1. zennon
              zennon 30 June 2014 21: 30
              +2
              Quote: Muadipus
              Let now buy engines through intermediaries, in the person of Belarus for example, or North Korea. Then it will be clearly demonstrated that image is more important or stupid money.

              Yes, understand! I’m struggling to convey a simple thought. If the mattresses want to, they will invest serious money and develop everything themselves! They are pragmatists, they didn’t need it. So it’s necessary that it wasn’t necessary !!! We are interested to remain exclusive the supplier of such rocket engines! And so they will invest money, even if not immediately, but in 12-15 years they will develop the development and production of first-class rocket engines. Do you think they have no science, production, engineering school, energy? Yes, I beg you! By the way, they will become and stronger and richer. And we? Do we need this?
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 30 June 2014 23: 14
              +4
              Quote: Muadipus
              if there are no engines, then there will be no rockets, there will be no rockets, then there will be no flights into space. which means that the demand for flights of our missiles will increase.

              We are not monopolists. Arian-5 outputs up to 12 payloads. Return to manned flights. The last time the Americans used it in August 2012 of the year.
              Quote: Muadipus
              just the pleasure of poking a finger towards the USA
              Very doubtful. Everyone knows that the States are a powerful technologically advanced world power. It is unpleasant to say, but it is.
              And we need to "grow above ourselves", as the classic said.
              1. Muadipus
                Muadipus 30 June 2014 23: 40
                +2
                Quote: zennon
                And so they will invest money, even if not immediately, but in 12-15 years they will develop the development and production of first-class rocket engines

                No one will wait for them for 12-15 years. You are right about the deadlines ... but to catch up with the leaders with a fine of 15 years and it is not a fact that they will succeed ...
                Such complex systems are laid in the development of 20-30, and even 50 years in advance. I am sure that today the United States is working on creating its own engine, and most likely it is better than ours. And we will not stop these works. But we can deprive America of test benches. and thereby slow down its space program.
                How many years does the US missile defense exist? And just not long ago passed the first (!) Successful missile defense tests. thought caught the hope?
                To each his own, someone knows how to make toasters, someone cars, and someone su-35 and s-400 ...
                (By the way, the book of Turkmenbashi says that God created the Japanese so that they would make TV sets for the Turkmen laughing something like this )
                Quote: zennon
                By the way, they will become stronger and richer. And we? Do we need this?
                America is not very soon, and perhaps never when it will become stronger and richer than it is now. Moreover, I sincerely hope to survive and see its collapse.
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                Everyone knows that the States are a powerful technologically advanced world power. It is unpleasant to say, but it is.
                Technologically advanced? Everything is relative in this world. Hitler Germany, that’s who really was technologically more developed than everyone else. You know the outcome.
                Here I completely agree with the GDP that the shortest path to the prosperity of mankind lies through the cooperation of nations based on mutual respect.
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                And we need to "grow above ourselves", as the classic said
                There is nothing to add here. "gold words.!!

                Dear! each of us is right in his own way. And to convey the truth, we lack knowledge.
                1. zennon
                  zennon 1 July 2014 00: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Muadipus
                  America is not very soon, and perhaps never when it will become stronger and richer than it is now. Moreover, I sincerely hope to survive and see its collapse.

                  Good wishes ...
                  I am sure that today the United States is working on creating its own engine, and most likely it is better than ours. And we will not stop these works.

                  No, they don’t lead. They publish a budget for them. They didn’t have to, but now the unknown McCain asks Congress for billions to develop it. That’s why I’m afraid. If the money is allocated, they will join this race and may throw us away market.
                  Quote: Muadipus
                  By the way, the book of Turkmenbashi says that God created the Japanese so that they would make TV sets for the Turkmen

                  Why do you need this PRIUROK? In his "Rukhnama" it seems that a moving statue on the square shows the path to the sun, and does not follow it. Is this an argument?
                  Technologically advanced? Everything is relative in this world. Hitler Germany, that’s who really was technologically more developed than everyone else. You know the outcome.

                  Not correct. We had more resources, but unfortunately there were many times more victims.
                  1. Horn
                    Horn 1 July 2014 05: 57
                    +2
                    Not correct. We had more resources, but unfortunately there were many times more victims.

                    - What resources, dear? All, I repeat: ALL European industry worked for Germany. Oil has not yet been pumped from the North, Kryvyi Rih has been given, Donbass - given, Ukraine and the Kuban - given. What resources? Magnitogorsk and Kuznetsk coal, Volga oil industry against Ruhr and Silesia, Romanian oil and Scandinavian ore, Czech and French plants. Even the human resources in Germany with satellites were greater. What resources? !!
          2. zennon
            zennon 30 June 2014 21: 18
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            All this is understandable, but what about the honor of a power?

            Yes, I understand you perfectly !!! Do you think it’s not for me to realize all this? However, we have a situation like a poor but proud girl. Understand that if there are no such orders, then our industry will fall! We have been giving all our strength for more than 50 years, means, the best personnel raised rocket rocket engines, and achieved exceptional success! When to reap the benefits? Or is everything Obama's tail?
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            They will only respect power, but they will consider kindness weakness.

            But here I agree completely. Only I will add - including economic strength. You ask what is the guarantee of respect and the weight of the country? The answer is economic power! Look at China! Yes, no one would ever think of imposing sanctions on them. Their economy deeply integrated, intertwined with the whole world. And we are very dependent. Now the price of hydrocarbons has collapsed and we are like in the mid-80s with a bare bottom! To be strong means economically strong! This is the root of evil and troubles, the reason. To dictate our terms , we need to have a pragmatic, diversified, industry woven into the global economic space. High labor productivity, powerful science and engineering school, which we have lost. We produce a machine tool park, world-class electronics, modern medicines, no! All this and many-oh-oh -Oh, we exchange other things for raw materials, like the Papuans. That is why they call us "Upper Volta" with missiles! You complain that we are not respected, not considered in due measure. I agree, but what did you want? Maybe it's enough to play the fool , and work you see respect will come.
          3. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 30 June 2014 22: 55
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            They are a dirty rag for us to eat, and we will consider a penny?

            Why a penny! (Although they have never been superfluous). It can set a condition: engines in exchange for machining centers. (Or other high-tech equipment that we need).
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            you need to find other markets, and on the finished product,

            Well, what hinchiks did not please? The States could not copy RD-180, and hinchiki - can? something is not very hard to believe. With engines for fighters, they’re not particularly rushing. Technology, metal science, physical chemistry ...
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 1 July 2014 19: 52
              0
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Technology, metal science, physical chemistry ...

              .. Heat-resistant alloys, centuries of TsAGI experience, the best physicists and mathematicians .. wink
        3. avia1991
          avia1991 30 June 2014 22: 31
          0
          Quote: zennon
          A.M.E.r.will find a replacement,

          WHERE?
          Who else produces these engines? Not under license, but in-house developed! Who else has such an experience in creating space technology? .. In electronics we are behind - but this has always been the case. And in rocket science - well, let them create their own .. you see, money will be distracted from ideological color revolutions. And ours, in response, will begin to move more actively!
          10 lyam greens .. AND WHAT? !! What will it give us? Better to live? Or the war in Novorossia will end?
          And in order to put the "mattress covers" in place, you can sacrifice the economic immediate benefit!
          1. zennon
            zennon 30 June 2014 22: 39
            0
            Quote: avia1991
            WHERE?
            Who else produces these engines? Not under license, but in-house developed! Who else has such an experience in creating space technology? ..

            Take the trouble to read my comment above, published at 21:30. There absolutely everything is said.
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            2. avia1991
              avia1991 30 June 2014 23: 14
              +2
              Quote: zennon
              Take the trouble to read my comment above, published at 21:30. There absolutely everything is said.

              I read it before your recommendation.
              Quote: zennon
              I'm struggling to convey a simple thought. If the mattresses want to, they will invest serious money and develop everything themselves!
              And who told you that they are not dealing with this issue now? They need, for a certain period, to "turn over" with our engines, since most of the funds, apparently, are spent on space defense technologies.
              Quote: avia1991
              well, let them create their own .. you see, money will be distracted from ideological color revolutions. And ours, in response, will begin to move more actively!
              this is what, in particular, I substantiated my position. The diversion of funds for new developments, which will entail our refusal to cooperate, will be a painful blow to the promotion of priority projects - the budget for the space industry is not at all as "rubber" as you might think. And this is also a strategic gain, in terms of time, above all.
              You cite China as an example. But China has “grabbed” practically all existing industrial technologies, with the possible exception of top-secret ones. And we squander these technologies, right and left, and together with brains that continue to drain, despite Chubais's claims. Here's what to do! Instead of luring states into selling wheels for their cars in the hope that they themselves won't want to produce them.
              PS "Minus", by the way, yours? Just wondering at what level you prefer to communicate hi
              1. zennon
                zennon 30 June 2014 23: 49
                0
                Quote: avia1991
                And who told you that they are not dealing with this issue right now?

                They themselves! All large companies receive subsidies for promising developments. They include them in their balance sheet and publish it. If you wish, you can find out what exactly is involved in General Electric, Pratt & Whitney, or Hughes Aircraft. More often they work on the order of both NASA and and the Pentagon. Nothing secret.
                Quote: avia1991
                They need, for a certain period, to "turn over" with our engines,

                It’s not necessary. For your information, they managed on their own until the mid-90s and put into orbit quite a bit. Yes, their movers are less effective, seriously more expensive, but they THERE IS!I hope you know that they got to the moon back in 1969. Be sure. Besides, there is also "Ariane-5".
                You give China as an example.

                Yes, he brought it. Yes, he did it. What prevents us from succeeding? In the early 80s they had a billion choppers, that’s figuratively speaking, that’s all. We were in a much better position with our science and engineering school. 30 years passed and where are they and where are we? We can’t feed ourselves. This is Russia. Shame! You ask how much food we import. And China has become a global supplier.
                "Minus", by the way, yours? Just wondering at what level you prefer to communicate

                My. I do not find your comment useful.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 1 July 2014 00: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: zennon
                  They include them in their balance sheet and publish it.

                  Honestly - did not read hi But, frankly, I doubt that the information about something REALLY INTERESTING is in open sources. But the Pentagon does not tell which drug delivery channels it spends state money on.
                  Quote: zennon
                  . For your information until the mid-90s, they managed on their own

                  Not surprised. I am, in a way, aware. And that they have their own RD - I know. But, again - savings! And her absence may well "screw up".
                  Quote: zennon
                  Yes, he brought it. Yes, he grabbed. What is stopping us if it brings success?

                  Absolutely nothing prevents. However, nothing of the kind is being done. What surprises me: we are engaged in squandering in areas that are the basis of strategic power - and at the same time we nearly strangled ourselves because of gas debts .. SHAME! Then I absolutely agree with you, I don’t understand that you are boiling?
                  Quote: zennon
                  . I do not find your comment useful.

                  Well, your right. True, there are a lot of useless comments, from the point of view of expediency, and this does not mean at all that you need to put a minus for everyone - you can always reasonably object. Unless, of course, the opponent does not carry frank nonsense. Given your position, I will just answer the same hi , because I also have my own opinion, and my own evaluation criteria.
                  1. zennon
                    zennon 1 July 2014 00: 39
                    -1
                    Quote: avia1991
                    But, frankly, I doubt that the information about something REALLY INTERESTING is in open sources. But the Pentagon does not tell which drug delivery channels it spends state money on.

                    The entire program is published, although it is not detailed to an elementary level. I assure you! The entire budget is determined by Congress. As far as drugs are concerned, this is not proven. Believe me, they have very strict budget allocation. Remember, at least, Iran is a contra.
                    But, again - savings! And her absence may well "screw up".

                    If they fall under the tail, they will spit on economies. In addition, the money will go not to the hated Russia, but will remain in the mattress. In addition, their lobbyists rightly point out that scientific and technological progress always leads to progress and the appearance of developments in adjacent areas and pays off many times. they know how to use it like no one else.
                    Given your position, I will simply answer the same, because I also have my own opinion, and my own evaluation criteria.

                    Of course. If you don’t find my comments useful, there is nothing to be done about it. hi
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 1 July 2014 03: 05
                      0
                      Quote: zennon
                      In addition, the money will not go to the hated Russia, but will remain in the mattress

                      Andrey, honestly - I see no reason for us to "fight" hi : firstly, we both root for Russia, although each sees "his own" paths of movement. Secondly, our opinion here, perhaps, will add supporters, opponents, sympathizers to us - but it will in no way be noticed where decisions are actually made. request . I think this idea can calm your ardor: the annual turnover of Russia with the United States is, as you know, less than 30 billion tanks, with Geyropa - 400, with China approx. 90. And this means that the refusal of even the whole trade with staff members will not entail a global catastrophe! Do you agree? At the same time, the percentage of turnover in RDs is already very small, and it’s not entirely correct to talk about the loss of the global sales market by Russia. wink And at the same time to receive moral satisfaction, for the Russian people, seems to me a more important matter! Especially now, when they "wipe their feet" about us every day.
                      By the way, work with American business "directly", as I understand it, will not stop, and here the Obamka administration will not be able to do much harm .. Yes
                      PS
                      Of course. If you don’t find my comments useful, there’s nothing.

                      It was not in vain that I asked if your minus. I prefer to object in writing. A minus is if a person has nothing to say: "out of principle, I'll minus, I don't like you."
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        4. papas-57
          papas-57 1 July 2014 05: 25
          0
          '' You understand, a.m..e. we will find a replacement '' Where will they find a replacement for the RD-180, in Geyrop or in Africa. If there was a replacement, America would have been buying there for a long time. They have no choice, or they buy from us or remain without engines. However, they have one option - to buy a slingshot from the Maidan from ukrov. And ours need to think about increasing the cost, and at the same time it's time to put it in place.
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      3. Skif83
        Skif83 30 June 2014 20: 09
        +1
        No, they will sell everything that they can reach. Who thinks about the future, they are the main "partner".
    3. Vasek
      Vasek 30 June 2014 17: 43
      +3
      Quote: vorobey
      better yet, propose a cheaper alternative ...

      With the self-destruction algorithm (at a signal from the Strategic Missile Forces headquarters). bully
      1. Muadipus
        Muadipus 30 June 2014 20: 57
        0
        Quote: Vasek
        Quote: vorobey
        better yet, propose a cheaper alternative ...

        With the self-destruction algorithm (at a signal from the Strategic Missile Forces headquarters). bully

        they suggested so ... -Trampoline - cheap, cheerful and effective! -Proved, Gadia Petrovich Khrenova.
    4. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 30 June 2014 17: 55
      +5
      It seems that their wise men creaked their brains, dismantled our engines, sorted it out and didn’t figure it out yet))
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 June 2014 18: 29
        +4
        Quote: dr.Bo
        It seems that their wise men creaked their brains, dismantled our engines, sorted it out and didn’t figure it out yet))

        they just don’t know the main secret! After assembly, file with a file! bully
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 1 July 2014 00: 09
        +2
        Quote: dr.Bo
        It seems that their wise men creaked their brains, dismantled our engines, sorted it out and didn’t figure it out yet))

        We figured it out, but could not produce it. The Americans do not work with "boiling" liquid-propellant rocket engines, rightly considering them very dangerous.
        So what is all the fuss about?
        The Russian RD-180 engine, due to which the American space companies are quarreling, won the tender announced by the USA in two American and one European companies back in the mid-1990. The agreement with Lockheed Martin provides for the delivery of a total of 101 RD-180 engines manufactured by NPO Energomash to the United States for Atlas American launch vehicles. The price of one in 2010 was 9, 0 million dollars.
        The first production RD-180 engine was delivered to the USA on 2 on January 1999. At the beginning of 2013, the 63 engine was delivered to the USA. Over the next five years, NPO Energomash is expected to supply about 30 RD-180 rocket engines for the Atlas-5 rocket to the USA. Such a contract was signed in December 2012, which will allow NPO Energomash to obtain a guaranteed load of production capacities.
        RD-180 is designed on the basis of RD-170 used on the Energia and Zenit LVs. Unlike the 4's RD-170 chamber, the RD-180 engine has two combustion chambers and a new lower-capacity turbopump unit driven by a single gas generator. The thrust of the RD-180 is 400 tons. Full assembly of the RD-180 is carried out at Energomash. Combustion chambers are supplied to Khimki from Samara, special steels from Chelyabinsk. The assembly cycle of an engine is up to 16 months on average.
    5. Giant thought
      Giant thought 30 June 2014 18: 41
      0
      The mattress covers were again pocketed for themselves, and now we will set our own terms.
      1. portoc65
        portoc65 30 June 2014 19: 03
        0
        The states make themselves the smartest. Buy more than that without which they cannot protect themselves, and when they don’t need anything from us for a while, turn on their sanctions, it’s time to introduce asymmetry .. do not expose the other cheek, but respond with your fist in face on the slap
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 1 July 2014 00: 17
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        The mattresses again pocketed themselves,

        As in the tale of A.S. Pushkin about the goldfish ...
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    7. gandalf
      gandalf 30 June 2014 19: 00
      +2
      Quote: vorobey
      better offer an alternative cheaper ...

      So already suggested - trampolines... laughing
      Apparently the price did not suit or specifications.
    8. unknown
      unknown 30 June 2014 19: 18
      0
      Or Chinese fakes !!!
    9. PValery53
      PValery53 30 June 2014 20: 15
      0
      Sell ​​the RD-180 to America only after all sanctions have been lifted and at an increased price, so that the "sanctions" will be forgotten in the future! - Humpbacks (on the brains) must be treated!
  2. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 30 June 2014 17: 09
    +9
    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said the United States is recovering “after the sanctions burn” and wants to increase purchases of rocket engines in Russia, the Russian newspaper reported.


    So that there were no trampolines in the States at all?
    1. angarchanin
      angarchanin 30 June 2014 18: 44
      0
      No, trampolines remained, only very expensive!
  3. Akvadra
    Akvadra 30 June 2014 17: 09
    +18
    Do not give! Let the abamka with the make-up on her knees repent publicly, and psaka will comment on this!
    1. kolobok63
      kolobok63 30 June 2014 17: 54
      +1
      Comment hooked! Bravo !!! drinks
    2. Am
      Am 30 June 2014 17: 59
      +2
      what repentance is there, our men will smack-smack, let them push only on the way ...
  4. Yellow white
    Yellow white 30 June 2014 17: 10
    +2
    Quote: vorobey
    Well, raise the price .... tell me ... if it was ... the sanctions affected ...

    or better yet, propose a cheaper alternative ... well, these Proton ones ... still don't fly ...


    laughing laughing laughing
  5. Mercenary
    Mercenary 30 June 2014 17: 10
    +13
    This is all the Anglo-Saxons. How they need everything is so normal. No sanctions means sanctions of any engine, it’s better for the Chinese or for themselves.
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 30 June 2014 17: 24
      +8
      Support!
      Sanctions!? - So sanctions!
      Either cancel everything, or a trampoline to help.
      1. yuriy-48
        yuriy-48 30 June 2014 17: 45
        +5
        Let them feel Lend-Lease, only for gold, diamonds and other mat. values
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 30 June 2014 19: 26
          +2
          Quote: yuriy-48
          Let them feel Lend-Lease, only for gold, diamonds and other mat. values

          By the way, yes!!! And then dollars, dollars. An extreme case of yuan or rubles. You can still tenge.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 1 July 2014 00: 28
            +1
            Quote: shuhartred
            An extreme case of yuan or rubles. You can still tenge.

            Well, rubles still didn’t go, it’s kind of understandable. But what about the yuan and tenge? Where is the logic? They will produce something like that - let them buy and sell for their currency. In the meantime, only gold!
        2. Muadipus
          Muadipus 30 June 2014 20: 31
          0
          Lend-Lease is not a good word in business with the United States. His karma is not very. We threw the United States with the payment of Lend-Lease for the Second World War. :) as if they didn’t remember.
          But in general I support the thought !.
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 1 July 2014 01: 40
            0
            Well, about who threw someone a moot point. Yes, even if so. I think they had every right to do so, even according to concepts (or even more so according to concepts?). the Americans provoked the war, rose sourly on it, and then we threw them three rubles. As it is even frivolous to throw a show.
  6. fox21h
    fox21h 30 June 2014 17: 11
    +7
    It is necessary to make an answer to "Chamberlain", i.e. raise the price, well, what about the sanctions?
    In short, beat the ruble in their pocket, they immediately have brains cleared after that)
  7. Vend
    Vend 30 June 2014 17: 13
    +3
    Until the American business presses the idiots in the White House, the waste will not pass. The burn will develop into a kumar.
  8. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 30 June 2014 17: 13
    +2
    What sold, then sold, but then trampolines at the price of taxiway! Sanctions damn it!
  9. djqnbdjqnb
    djqnbdjqnb 30 June 2014 17: 14
    +5
    Set an alternative: either we are lifting prices, or we are selling ALL to Chinese comrades! And to the Chinese comrades we are saying the same thing and still we are raising prices! Something like this
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 30 June 2014 18: 02
      +2
      Set an alternative: either we are lifting prices, or we are selling ALL to Chinese comrades!

      Until the Americans publicly abandon the SECTORAL SANCTIONS INTRODUCTION PLANS ... there are no commercial contracts with them, especially for strategic goods ... And the amount of the contract for these engines is not that big ... but you can and should play with it! ALREADY THESE AMERICAN NEEDED THESE ENGINES! WELL VERY NEEDED !!!!
      And raise prices (the dollar is falling ... demand has appeared ... bypassing our hidden sanctions, etc.) ...
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  10. vsoltan
    vsoltan 30 June 2014 17: 14
    +4
    For some reason, initially it seemed that all their sanctions and vile cries were not worth a damn ...
  11. propolsky
    propolsky 30 June 2014 17: 15
    +9
    No, she died, she died! Double standards will not work here, flies - separately, cutlets - separately! stop
  12. pensioner
    pensioner 30 June 2014 17: 15
    +3
    [quote] The United States is already engaged in the procurement of K-33 and RD-180 engines. But now they have expressed a desire to increase the volume of purchases.
    I would like to respond in full compliance with market principles to increase the price of goods that suddenly became so popular .... Weak?
  1. Eugene A
    Eugene A 30 June 2014 18: 47
    +2
    Quote: retired
    [quote] The United States is already engaged in the procurement of K-33 and RD-180 engines. But now they have expressed a desire to increase the volume of purchases.
    I would like to respond in full compliance with market principles to increase the price of goods that suddenly became so popular .... Weak?
  • Eugene A
    Eugene A 30 June 2014 18: 47
    +1
    Quote: retired
    [quote] The United States is already engaged in the procurement of K-33 and RD-180 engines. But now they have expressed a desire to increase the volume of purchases.
    I would like to respond in full compliance with market principles to increase the price of goods that suddenly became so popular .... Weak?
  • CHILD
    CHILD 30 June 2014 17: 15
    +2
    Yeah !!!!!
  • staryivoin
    staryivoin 30 June 2014 17: 19
    +1
    No engines, nothing. Let them give birth to something of their own. In the meantime, really let them fly into space on trampolines. After all, who does not jump, is that mine? Or are they in my ... they want to turn her !!! soldier
  • BARKAS
    BARKAS 30 June 2014 17: 19
    0
    Overseas experts, in turn, calculated that the development of a domestic engine that would replace the Russian RD-180 could take up to 6 years and cost the US treasury about $ 1,5 billion.

    It is very similar to our case with the Mistrals of money, almost the same amount, only who needs it!
  • KIRON
    KIRON 30 June 2014 17: 21
    +2
    We can sell a smart launcher.
  • eletskii
    eletskii 30 June 2014 17: 22
    +1
    Let them buy. This is supported by the Russian defense industry, therefore, the development of new engines, the receipt of any workers in factories.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 30 June 2014 17: 22
    0
    Conduct a referendum "Whether or not to sell engines to Americans." Let observers be sent
  • Monk
    Monk 30 June 2014 17: 22
    +1
    Let them buy, we must put them in strict dependence on our products ...
  • Leksandrych
    Leksandrych 30 June 2014 17: 30
    +2
    You need to sell it, raising the price and setting a condition - for non-military purposes. But these, of course, will be used in the military, so every case is a daddy. And as soon as they begin again .... to say, so immediately get daddy and the international court.
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 30 June 2014 17: 31
    +2
    "Since 1996, the Russian Federation has been supplying the United States with the RD-180 engines used on Atlas rockets. The Americans are using Atlas 5 rockets to launch military satellites into orbit. In this regard, the Russian Foreign Ministry has advocated a thorough revaluation of the export of rocket engines to the United States.

    Officially, the Foreign Ministry did not comment on this position, however, according to an interlocutor in Roskosmos, the Foreign Ministry opposed the resumption of NK-33 supplies to the United States and in this matter it was supported by the Defense Ministry. "

    Earlier, US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel ordered the leadership of the US Air Force to review the principles of cooperation with Russia in the military-technical sphere and reduce America’s dependence on Russian engines.
    According to Bloomberg, developing a rocket engine to replace the Russian RD-180, which is used to launch the Atlas-5 heavy American launch vehicle, could cost the United States $ 1,5 billion and take up to six years.

    Well, 6 years is normal. And they will print wrappers and we will get them ...

    In general, someone is very rich in supplies to the United States. Obviously not the budget of Russia ...
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 30 June 2014 17: 31
    0
    Let them take for rubles ... or for gold.
  • djtyysq
    djtyysq 30 June 2014 17: 33
    +2
    I need to tell the Americans that after the sanctions we only have slingshots for their missiles !!!
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 30 June 2014 17: 34
    0
    want to increase purchases of rocket engines in Russia

    Is it really difficult to send them a forest, consider Christmas trees? sanctions so sanctions
  • sever.56
    sever.56 30 June 2014 17: 36
    0
    Yes, they do not need to sell rocket engines. Let them spend time and money on creating their own. It is not a fact that they will succeed in something similar in characteristics to ours. If we lose money, then it’s small. And the Americans will have significant losses. Let Obama and any McCains be thanked if they are refused the sale of engines
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  • lord
    lord 30 June 2014 17: 37
    +2
    Do not supply unambiguously! They use them to launch military satellites. They urgently need this, that’s backtracking. And why should we strengthen the enemy? Sanctions are sanctions! Trampoline to help them!
  • v245721
    v245721 30 June 2014 17: 38
    0
    they sold everything, but we ourselves can’t lift the lid from the pan. There are no new missiles, no technologies, but the old missiles do not want to fly, they say the wrong ones
  • DPZ
    DPZ 30 June 2014 17: 39
    0
    Quote: vorobey
    Well, raise the price .... tell me ... if it was ... the sanctions affected ...

    yeah. say so to them: we need to make up for gas losses unpaid by your Ukrainians!
  • SergeyZel
    SergeyZel 30 June 2014 17: 40
    0
    I do not believe a single word of Rogozin. The defense industry complex quickly fettered him with a kickback system. And while he oversees the defense industry, there will be sheer lies and deceit, including of the president. Rogozin is not a figure.
  • kind
    kind 30 June 2014 17: 41
    0
    The concept has changed. Now Russia must impose sanctions on the United States in space exploration!
  • stranik
    stranik 30 June 2014 17: 42
    0
    It's time to sell them trampolines and not engines. laughing
  • Siberian
    Siberian 30 June 2014 17: 44
    0
    want to increase purchases of rocket engines in Russia
    Cunningly .. for the future they decided to stock up on engines. And how it will turn around is not known. If the situation is complicated, Ours will take so break off with engines. So they fussed.
  • WS
    WS 30 June 2014 17: 46
    0
    Interestingly new engines or from stock, even from the Soviet Union?
  • koksalek
    koksalek 30 June 2014 17: 47
    0
    These Yankees are already insolently going to war against Russia, and our insoles are creeping in front of them, they will sell the last that they can sell. Yes, for such miscarriages it is necessary to bend these Yankees with these very engines at the most reluctant and do not like the trampoline in their hands. Soon, NATO will be an hour away from Moscow, and the government is talking to them all, the only trick of which was in Cuba with missiles, forcing them to put their pants on
  • novel68rus
    novel68rus 30 June 2014 17: 50
    0
    it’s advisable to throw them or to raise prices for rubles .. sell on your own terms
  • Max 33
    Max 33 30 June 2014 17: 53
    0
    Let them fly in balloons
  • madjik
    madjik 30 June 2014 17: 53
    0
    1,5 lard for them is not a problem! here is the time factor! procure for future use
  • Stypor23
    Stypor23 30 June 2014 17: 54
    0
    I amer and shit not selling
  • lord
    lord 30 June 2014 17: 59
    0
    If to sell, then only for gold! And let their smelly dollars be delivered to dill, it will be at least in the winter to stoke the stove!
  • sv68
    sv68 30 June 2014 18: 01
    0
    heher them like firewood! spend candy wrappers and how many five years there to develop your engines, and before that, hire women hedgehogs and fly on a broomstick fool
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 30 June 2014 18: 08
    0
    Priority in the supply of engines to give China, and the Yankees will wait, they behave like pigs. After all, we were banned from selling innovative technologies not only to our corporations, but also to the EU
  • saag
    saag 30 June 2014 18: 29
    0
    I wonder how they buy engines, the American court overturned its decision?
  • olegkrava
    olegkrava 30 June 2014 18: 36
    0
    Quote: KazaK Bo
    Set an alternative: either we are lifting prices, or we are selling ALL to Chinese comrades!

    Until the Americans publicly abandon the SECTORAL SANCTIONS INTRODUCTION PLANS ... there are no commercial contracts with them, especially for strategic goods ... And the amount of the contract for these engines is not that big ... but you can and should play with it! ALREADY THESE AMERICAN NEEDED THESE ENGINES! WELL VERY NEEDED !!!!
    And raise prices (the dollar is falling ... demand has appeared ... bypassing our hidden sanctions, etc.) ...


    Let them pay in rubles.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 30 June 2014 18: 46
    0
    They buy for the future. And when will we come to our senses and impose a moratorium?
  • siberalt
    siberalt 30 June 2014 18: 48
    0
    If you sell, then only for gold.
  • lpd1
    lpd1 30 June 2014 18: 52
    0
    Who does not jump, that is not Abama on a trampoline!
  • muginov2015
    muginov2015 30 June 2014 19: 04
    -2
    Yes, wake up you all, ZAEB.al already this cheap populist, matting on the bare ass of Roskosmos. Such are more dangerous than obvious enemies.
    AH WE SHARE MARS WITH CHINA! and at that time with ANGARA a complete ass ... and not only ... cheap stuff, crackle and a complete fool!
  • Kibl
    Kibl 30 June 2014 19: 05
    0
    Well, at the expense of 1,5 lards, you turned it down, multiply that by 10, then you get a real price list in American. There are also such saw cutters that they can saw and saw Russian !!!