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Finland shakes off the Russian threat like dandruff

In 2015, a referendum on the country's accession to the North Atlantic Alliance may be held in Finland. At the same time, sociological polls show: in this alliance, they want about twenty percent of the population. As for the rulers and deputies, today it happens that they are in favor of NATO, but tomorrow they are against it. Spinning like a wind vane. The most sustained "atlas" - the Minister of Defense Karl Haglund. According to him, native Finland “should seriously consider the issue of joining NATO”.

Finland shakes off the Russian threat like dandruff

"Russian newspaper" cites data from sociological polls according to which less than 20% of Finns want to see their country in NATO. Politicians of the country "sharply change the rhetoric": they either speak for NATO, then suddenly they repeat the mantra about neutrality.

Get the new premiere of Alexander Stubb. A week ago, the newspaper notes, he spoke of the need for Finland to join the alliance, and the other day suddenly said that the country's foreign policy would remain unchanged, including on the NATO issue. (However, it may be only before the referendum.)

In the Finnish Parliament, this is a real mess. “None of the current deputies, with the exception, perhaps, of the three, opposes Finland’s membership in NATO,” said Janus Putkonen, editor-in-chief of the Verkkomedia political information portal, in an interview with RG. And the deputy director of the Alexandrovsky Institute of the University of Helsinki, Markku Kangaspuro, believes that the majority of deputies do not support the idea of ​​Suomi joining the alliance.

So “for” the majority - or “against”?

But these two are experts. Even if they do not know, “for” or “against” Finnish deputies, then, probably, the deputies themselves do not know either.

As for the people of Finland, his opinion, as usual, will not be taken into account. “For example, a few years ago, most Finns did not want the country to join the European Union and switch to the euro. However, the deputies voted differently. The same can happen with the NATO question, ”said Janus Putkonen.

In turn, Kangaspuro clarifies that the decision of the parliament needs the approval of the president. And President Sauli Niinistö does not consider it necessary to join the country to military blocs.

Finally, other experts say that if the Finnish authorities do without the people in their decision (that is, they decide to enter Suomi into NATO without a referendum), a civil war will break out in the country.

However, will the authorities hold a referendum? Who needs this plebiscite, if it is clear without him that only a fifth of the Finns support the idea of ​​joining the Alliance?

In general, in Finland, on the NATO issue, it really is a complete mess. But with clarification - confusion in the government and among deputies. The people are clear: for NATO, less than one-fifth. The people and the state are about to find themselves on opposite sides of the barricades, right on Marx.

Separately, it should be said about the position of Prime Minister Stubb and Defense Minister Karl Haglund.

Daniel Zubov (Center for International Journalism and Research) recalled that NATO has long dreamed of closing the "northern link of its western front against Russia." Alliance troops could be located less than 200 km from St. Petersburg. And the new Finnish Prime Minister Alexander Stubb 14 of June declared that his goal is “to strengthen national security to the limit,” the best way for which is the state’s membership in NATO. Before taking office, Stubb also stated the need for NATO membership, since Finland "does not have access to intelligence, planning, security guarantees and alliance decision-making systems."

ITAR-TASS indicates that Alexander Stubb will hold the post of prime minister until the next parliamentary elections in 2015. That is, just before the time of a possible referendum.

Some facts from the biography of the premier leads "Forbes". Stubb worked as an adviser to the Foreign Ministry of Finland, in the Finnish representation in the EU, as an advisor to the president of the European Commission. In 2004, he was elected to the European Parliament. In 2008, he was appointed Minister of Foreign Affairs. Being in this position, he condemned Russia's recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. This person believes that Finland should join NATO at the same time as joining the EU - that is, back in the 1995 year.

Newspaper "Sight" unearthed other details about Stubb. Journalists found out that he “treats Russia with difficulty and, in a sense, even condescendingly.” And this very indulgence contradicts his own statements about "ensuring security."

For example, in one of the interviews he stated that the threat from Russia towards Finland does not exist, and all the talk about it is like “dandruff that can be shaken off”. Moreover, “on an international scale, Russia is not a great power,” this man believes.

At the same time, since 2008, he has emerged as an opponent of imposing sanctions against Russia. He does not believe in the thesis that "Finland can share the fate of the Crimea." Stubb says that "those who draw such parallels have a vague idea of ​​international politics."

Thus, Stubb is not at all one of those who believe that joining NATO follows because Moscow is pulling hands towards Helsinki. But whether he will lobby for NATO’s real Atlantic interests is another matter. Rather yes than no. At least, it will definitely become clear in the coming months, because the idea of ​​joining the Alliance Stubb will have to be voiced before the elections of the 2015 year. Voice is not evasive, but definitely.

And here is Haglund. This person, as recalled "Sight", in a recent interview with Reuters, said that Finland "should seriously consider joining NATO." That he proposed to hold a referendum after the parliamentary elections 2015 year.

This gentleman, unlike Stubb, permits a threat emanating from Russia.

“I think that there are more reasons for membership in NATO than ever,” said the head of the military department. These grounds are a threat from Russia, which is expressed both in the “role of the Russian Federation in the Ukrainian crisis” and in the war with Georgia (2008 year). Finally, Moscow, according to Mr. Haglund, itself provokes Helsinki to become part of the alliance. True, “Russia is not a threat to Finland now,” but “the situation is unpredictable.” As a result, the minister agreed to the point that he said: "... Russia should not worry about Finland’s entry into NATO, since the alliance does not pose a threat to anyone."

It is clear that the Kremlin believes otherwise.

The newspaper "Vzglyad" further notes that Stubb and Haglund are like-minded people in terms of Atlantic integration. It was under Haglund that the state’s annual defense expenditures increased. Now they make up 3,1 billion euros, and in the near future they will increase by another 200 million euros in order, as the minister says, to “provide reliable protection”.

However, numerous opponents of ensuring “reliable protection” criticize the position of the government precisely because the desire to join the Alliance may well lead (and will lead) to a deterioration in relations with Russia. And there - and provoke aggression.

Kommersant writes that Alexander Stubb, stating that he would like to join the Alliance after 2015 for the sake of "maximum protection" of citizens, referred to the aggression of Moscow against Kiev. The publication also reminds that at the end of April 2014 of Helsinki announced the decision to sign a memorandum enabling NATO to deploy military aircraft and ships in Finland and “if necessary” to provide troops and military equipment to it.

As for the reaction of Russia, the week before last, the Russian Foreign Ministry gave an unequivocal warning that “against the background of increasing NATO infrastructure” in the Baltic States and Poland, talk of Finland’s membership in the Alliance could lead to “dangerous negative changes in the North Baltic region”.

Well, the northern political alignment is more or less clear. Obviously, Stubb and Haglund will do everything to hold a referendum and "introduce" the country into NATO. In the coming months and weeks, it is necessary to wait for the reinforcement of the relevant government rhetoric (for example, “maximum protection”) aimed at shaping the “anti-neutral” political opinion of the population. With a significant change in sentiment in the electorate, prepared informationally, in 2015, the authorities will launch a referendum.

True, there is one “but”: after the elections, completely different people may come to power.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Rigla
    Rigla 27 June 2014 09: 08
    The deterioration of relations with Russia is too expensive for a stupid membership in a bloc that Finland will not protect from Russia in case of nothing.
    1. savarineko
      savarineko 27 June 2014 09: 13
      Unfortunately, practice shows that when the government is loyal to the United States, then no logical arguments against joining NATO are taken into account ......
      1. Karabanov
        Karabanov 27 June 2014 15: 18
        The Finns will be the last fools if they join in nature ... Who should they be afraid of? Russia? Stupidity is utter. We have excellent relations, and Russia is not going to show aggression and limit their sovereignty. And after joining, they will just become potential adversaries.
        1. Kent0001
          Kent0001 27 June 2014 21: 52
          I think the Finnish guys may be a little roomy but not tours. Come on Nata-achievements from Suomi.
    2. BYV
      BYV 27 June 2014 09: 14
      If there really will be a referendum on joining NATO, then I very much doubt that the Finns will support this idea. They absolutely do not need a deterioration in relations with the Russian Federation. In many shops and shopping centers in Finland accept rubles, many know Russian. And in general, the attitude towards the Russians is friendly. I often wind up in Finland, so I know what I'm talking about.
      1. Shkodnik65
        Shkodnik65 27 June 2014 10: 24
        Yes, today the situation is just that. Most Finnish citizens are opposed to joining NATO. But ... Who in June 2013 could even have guessed !!!! that relations with Ukraine will be as they are now? Read last year's posts if you forgot. Who suggested that Ukrainians in their territory would rape their women, burn people in Odessa, invite foreign soldiers to destroy their citizens. What Ukraine If I said this, then they would spit in my face.
        Everything can be done simply: to make a film in Hollywood about the heroic defense by the little Finnish people of their land against the brutal Stalinist invaders, draw a parallel between Stalin and Putin (which is already being done), Finland and the Crimea, and ... voila! Indeed, a lot, if not everything depends on the leadership (remember Kekkonen). Nevertheless, I believe that today's position of our President is the only correct one: to conduct a dialogue calmly, without nerves. Well, in a year we'll see if we are alive. hi
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          1. Shkodnik65
            Shkodnik65 29 June 2014 17: 30
            Well, then, a loop with soap? What to do then?
      2. matross
        matross 27 June 2014 11: 14
        [quote = BYV] In many shops and shopping centers in Finland accept rubles, many know Russian. And in general, the attitude towards the Russians is friendly. I often wind up in Finland, so I know what I'm talking about. [/ Quot

        Here, in my opinion, the trend is the following - rubles and Russian only in the border zone. And friendliness, on the contrary, increases with distance from the border, and even then not much. In general, the Finns are, in short, inhibited village bukhariks with a complex of "small but proud people". These are my personal impressions.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 27 June 2014 11: 42
          Quote: matRoss

          Here, in my opinion, the trend is the following - rubles and Russian only in the border zone. And friendliness, on the contrary, increases with distance from the border, and even then not much. In general, the Finns are, in short, inhibited village bukhariks with a complex of "small but proud people". These are my personal impressions.

          It seems so. They rule politics, people follow the ideas that they pour into their heads.

          Today, the average European sees 2 things:
          1 - The Russian bear began to move in the den, expresses disagreement with Europe, began to conduct its policy, strengthen fighting efficiency
          2 - Russia separates from Europe and turns to an alliance with China.

          The fact that Russia is being forced into this is the same Europe, people even if they understand, but this does not reassure them.

          One way or another, the US has so far managed to divide Europe with Russia.
          I would not be surprised if gay tolerance was imposed on Europe in order to oppose Russia

        2. suomi76
          suomi76 27 June 2014 11: 50
          Ha, pay attention to the village bukhariks having all their teeth, but when I went to my grandmother’s homeland in the Porkhov district of the Pskov region, the Bukhara locals there had no teeth, and not the bukhariks either. Personal impressions. wink
          1. matross
            matross 27 June 2014 12: 26
            Quote: suomi76
            pay attention to the village bukharikov all teeth available

            I will recount on occasion! wink
            The presence and absence of teeth in bukhariks is directly dependent on their income - the more attendants, the more often the tusks! laughing
            Finns, of course, have higher incomes than in Porkhov ...
          2. Nahum
            Nahum 27 June 2014 12: 26
            "Your teeth" are just good dentures that are outwardly indistinguishable from real ones. No matter how you take care of your teeth, they are still lost with age and by old age, almost all sparkle with prostheses. It's just that ours do not always have enough money for these expensive dummies.
            1. suomi76
              suomi76 27 June 2014 16: 42
              I think this is simply the lack of vodka on sale from the Kabardino-Balkarian automobile, 15 r each, from the consumption of which teeth fall out by the age of 30.
              PS For those who are offended, I specially inform you that they drink in Suomi too much, just cheap high-quality alcohol, called mint.
      3. dim242
        dim242 27 June 2014 11: 39
        In my opinion, people no longer take into account either in Europe or the United States
        1. suomi76
          suomi76 27 June 2014 16: 47
          In Europe, most people are interested in politics at the municipality level. They are interested in what the chairman of the rural commune spent money on, where he put the asphalt, that's all. In Russia, everything is the opposite. Almost everyone is involved in foreign policy, and nobody knows the MPs.
      4. suomi76
        suomi76 27 June 2014 11: 45
        In South Karelia, everyone is definitely against NATO, they live with Russian tourists, but in Vaas, in the west, I think the majority will be in favor. You scared their reunions. request
      5. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 27 June 2014 18: 27
        More than 20% of revenues to the budget of Finland are from cross-border trade and tourism.
    3. bvi1965
      bvi1965 27 June 2014 18: 24
      In my opinion, one of the few sane in Europe. understand that "happiness" is not in NATO ...
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 June 2014 20: 33
      lol Finns, I advise you to watch the film "Peculiarities of National Fishing", everything is clearly voiced there: Russians always come for theirs .... ABZATS !!! wassat
    5. karpag
      karpag 27 June 2014 22: 06
      I’ll tell you one clever thing, but don’t be offended ... The "accession" of Crimea caused panic fear among all Russia's neighbors that they are next in line ... Therefore, Russia itself pushed countries such as Finland and Sweden into NATO ... Brotherhood , wrote what I think, do not minus ...
      1. Camouflet
        Camouflet 28 June 2014 05: 19
        Quote: karpag
        I’ll tell you one clever thing, but don’t be offended ... The "accession" of Crimea caused panic fear among all Russia's neighbors that they are next in line ... Therefore, Russia itself pushed countries such as Finland and Sweden into NATO ... Brotherhood , wrote what I think, do not minus ...

        If they really think so, then they are stupid and stupid rams. And also cowardly. Do Russians live in these northern countries? And they themselves ask to Russia? Why do we need Swedes, Finns and other Norwegians in Russia? Bullshit.
        1. Bene valete
          Bene valete 3 July 2014 17: 10
          ))) And why would not, in my opinion "Swedes, Finns and other Norwegians ..." is preferable and more useful for Russia than Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, etc .... !!!
          Maybe we’ll learn something ... for example, salaries will at least be equal to the minimum subsistence level (for starters), small-town officials from palaces and cars for 5 lyam will transfer to public transport and settle in panels, and maybe ordinary people will not solder them with a swill, so that their brains did not work ... you can continue to continue ... (((
  2. Yu-81
    Yu-81 27 June 2014 09: 13
    In 2015, Finland may hold a referendum on NATO accession to the North Atlantic Alliance.

    Something in this phrase is clearly wrong))))
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 June 2014 09: 59
      Quote: yu-xnumx
      Something in this phrase is clearly wrong))))

      They create a powerful block, and Finland controls everything. laughing
      1. Rusi dolaze
        Rusi dolaze 27 June 2014 10: 41
        Butter. NATO is the North Atlantic Alliance. Joins itself? GY :) I agree, he is hermophrodite and hermophrodite in Africa, he is scooping up with himself :))
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 27 June 2014 10: 06
      Quote: yu-xnumx
      In 2015, Finland may hold a referendum on NATO accession to the North Atlantic Alliance.

      Something in this phrase is clearly wrong))))

      No, it seemed to you laughing . Finns will henceforth decide who will join whom. A new world leader such as Poland is forming before our eyes soldier .
    3. Zaslavsky-S
      Zaslavsky-S 27 June 2014 10: 36
      Of course not! The referendum on the accession of Finland to the Russian Federation. So it will be more correct.
    4. Nahum
      Nahum 27 June 2014 14: 40
      Yeah, the block will split in two!))) The mattresses will be left alone and those, having received from the world community the lyuli, will be requested back. And they will receive again.
  3. mig31
    mig31 27 June 2014 09: 14
    Well, what kind of people, live and rejoice, there is no need to necessarily adventure on your neck ...
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 27 June 2014 10: 08
      The main thing in the photo is not to look in the mirror or to get a diaper before this, otherwise physiological embarrassment can happen, as with a Georgian colleague from a joke laughing .
  4. 222222
    222222 27 June 2014 09: 17
    Finland and NATO .. ​​However ...

    Overview of trade relations between Finland and the Russian Federation
    "Russia retains the status of Finland's largest trading partner, including 1st place in Finnish imports of goods, 2nd place - in exports of goods. Its share in Finland's trade turnover at the end of the reporting period amounted to 14,1% against the indicators of Sweden and Germany, equal to 11,3% and 10,9% respectively. "
    ... and the Finns need it ??? for the stars and stripes "drag the chestnuts out of the fire"
    but. # 1, "Finland is in favor of a referendum on NATO membership after 2015" .. shortly after the 2015 parliamentary elections.

    RIA Novosti ..
    No. 2, "Finland: NATO's northern link on the Western Front" and is constantly working with NATO and the United States according to annual plans, just like neutral Sweden ..
  5. engineer74
    engineer74 27 June 2014 09: 20
    Our Defense Ministry, with regret, will announce: "According to the results of the referendum, the list of strategic nuclear forces may increase." Fins, do you need this? fool
    Or did you miss the coffins from "hot" spots ???
    1. EvgenSuslov
      EvgenSuslov 27 June 2014 11: 01
      You will see which of the permanent members of NATy are present in hot spots. You can count them on one hand. So membership in NAT is such a fashionable trend in the West, "everyone is barking at Russia, why don't I bark." And they do not think that the kick of the tarpaulin boot will fly to them first. Western propaganda voices that Russia does not have an army (although then what are they afraid of us) and that brave American warriors will restore peace and order in every country that has been subjected to aggression in 2 counts. In general, they do not think, there is nothing, they have already thought for them, chewed and put it in their heads.
  6. evilrussian
    evilrussian 27 June 2014 09: 21
    NATO is waiting for them one disappointment.
    1. figter
      figter 28 June 2014 04: 51
      Not that disappointment is a danger. Hotheads are pushing Finland to participate in their adventures, and, apparently, Finnish officials paid for by the Americans are ready for anything. The United States needs fresh meat, and this is meat - 12 sufficiently combat-ready brigades (of which one is armored and two are mechanized), good aviation, and besides, the opportunity to play on our nerves by placing our naval, air force and land bases, conducting joint exercises. Deployed its lousy "Patriot". And for this, the Finns will annually deduct a round sum of money to the "roof" for their "protection and freedom", receive "valuable instructions" from NATO secretaries general, massively plug American holes somewhere in the Dark Cannon and put their soldiers there for "American happiness", freedom and crap of fat-assed go-dog eaters. For which Uncle Sam will thank them and wink, and Obama will wave from the lawn! What happiness! And most importantly, what the hell would we need this Finland for?
      It is logical that from our side there will be retaliatory measures that will not be to the liking of the Finns: 138 Guards were deployed. Omsb brigade again in 45 guards. the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which will be the only one like all the land forces of Finland and will conduct exercises and firing at their side almost every day, with the danger that this crazy Kamensko-Kirillovsky "gypsy camp" will somehow unexpectedly sharply "trample" towards the state border, aviation bases will be restored, some Tochka-U or Iskander missile brigade will be deployed, etc. And what, from this, the Finns will live more calmly? As the ancients said: "Look for someone who benefits from it!"
  7. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 27 June 2014 09: 21
    The Finns were already allied with Hitler. So what? The result is known. Now they want to join NATO? What for? Being a member of NATO also fulfills the signed obligations, but you don’t feel like fighting for your uncle. Finnish guys calmly drink Russian vodka and are in no hurry, no one threatens them and does not require anything from them. Why climb into trouble?
  8. -Dmitry-
    -Dmitry- 27 June 2014 09: 21
    Referendum may be held in Finland in 2015 on NATO accession to the North Atlantic Alliance.

    I thought it was banter, but it turns out they are serious :)))
  9. GUKTU92
    GUKTU92 27 June 2014 09: 23
    accession referendum may be held in Finland НАТО к North Atlantic Alliance.

    Oleg Chuvakin! Do you understand what you did? lol
    The newspaper Vzglyad unearthed other details about Stubba. Journalists found out that he "treats Russia hard and in some ways even condescending." And this same condescension contradicts his own statements about "ensuring security."

    That Mr. Lavrov may be lenient towards Finland. A primitive Stubbe can only relate "difficult" (ie, without any position of his own).
  10. Nova
    Nova 27 June 2014 09: 23
    "a referendum was held on NATO's accession to the North Atlantic Alliance"

    The author, correct the explanation under the topic heading, apparently it was Finland's accession to NATO, aka the North Atlantic Alliance.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 27 June 2014 09: 33
      You don't need to fix anything! Ochepyatka "according to Freud" - NATO, with its lies, "peacefulness", double standards and other carelessness, will soon have itself! wink
      1. Rusi dolaze
        Rusi dolaze 27 June 2014 10: 45
        Exactly! I wrote above, hermophrodite is :)) Himself :)
      2. Rusi dolaze
        Rusi dolaze 27 June 2014 10: 45
        Exactly! I wrote above, hermophrodite is :)) Himself :)
  11. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 27 June 2014 09: 30
    Let the citizens of Suomi and its current rulers remember their "membership" in the fascist bloc and the times of Kekkonen, when Finland declared that all planes and missiles flying to the USSR through its territory would go astray. In the first case - grief, in the second - economic preferences and welfare growth. Now let them choose. Only about this we need to constantly remind the finals, otherwise our own government will not be honored.
  12. Fast
    Fast 27 June 2014 09: 32
    Finns from Russia have super prosperity, and we from the Finns have nothing but peace on the border. Only if they all go crazy, which is unlikely, they will trample in NATO, we will soon be friends further.
  13. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 27 June 2014 09: 38
    on the picture. Look don't fall. Just scream. laughing fool
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 27 June 2014 10: 34
      Yes, it’s just that the kid is sausage without remembering either NATO or Russia. Weapons, by the way, are clones of the Russian (I'm talking about small arms).
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  15. Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 27 June 2014 09: 54
    It seems Russia and Finland are all okay ??
    Why do Finns in NATO flattery ???
  16. Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 27 June 2014 10: 01
    Question- Does Finland go to the EU?
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 27 June 2014 10: 14
      Quote: Lone Wolf
      Question- Does Finland go to the EU?
  17. Stypor23
    Stypor23 27 June 2014 10: 12
    Petrograd, the Leningrad region and the North-West are going to shop in Finland. It will be as if Suomi would do such a thing to themselves. They are not Bulgarians.
  18. MORDVIN13rus
    MORDVIN13rus 27 June 2014 10: 36
    But I wonder if the Finns will join NATO, the rearmament of their army will occur at whose expense ??? If in heavy armaments, they have NATO standard ammunition, then in small arms, on the contrary, in machine guns, the good old Soviet cartridge is 7,62x39mm, and their machine-gun cartridge seems to have their own 7,62x53R. Yes, and the Finns kind of filed a petition for joining the customs union.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 June 2014 11: 08
      Quote: MORDVIN13rus
      Yes, and the Finns kind of filed a petition

      Not petition, but petition. wink
  19. 23424636
    23424636 27 June 2014 10: 54
    you need to drink all the Finns before they enter Here they learn Swedish, although Russia made them people by tearing them from this toilet they pray for the Ecumenical Patriarch even though Protestants and pagans use the Russian channel cowardly signing a lease from Medvedev Get them Drink them all with fire water
  20. Iline
    Iline 27 June 2014 10: 56
    Do Finns need it? Soon, for 100 years they have been living in peace and good neighborliness with Russia and do not bother, unlike the Baltic states, about the Russian threat. Although there is a reason. After all, Finland was part of the Russian Empire.
    It turns out that you can be friends with Russia and develop normally. But this is already annoying hotheads in the West.
    1. MORDVIN13rus
      MORDVIN13rus 27 June 2014 11: 17
      Why 100 ??? Until the age of 21, the territory of present-day Finland was the Principality of Finland, which was the personal vassal territory of the Russian Emperors. Even during the coronation, this was mentioned.
      1. emotion
        emotion 28 June 2014 06: 36
        But what about the Soviet-Finnish war and the Second World War?
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  21. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 27 June 2014 11: 08
    Finns are better to be friends with RUSSIA than to look for an enemy in it.
  22. bubla5
    bubla5 27 June 2014 11: 22
    In any case, they will enter or not, in a local conflict with us, the perimeter to France is approximately a scorched earth, so nothing will change the situationand America nuclear burial ground
  23. bmv04636
    bmv04636 27 June 2014 11: 30
    and if at 15, will the question survive in the current state?
  24. melnik
    melnik 27 June 2014 11: 33
    Now it’s not 39 years old, and not Comrade Mehlis at the head. They will land troops, special forces, block communications and you will have dandruff podza.
  25. mixailval
    mixailval 27 June 2014 11: 59
    Time will pass and they will strongly want to join the customs union, but we will not accept them. Enough of the Russian state to protect and feed whores. You see, it will be so. The customs union will have the strongest economy in the entire history of mankind.
  26. 27 June 2014 12: 06
    Well, they do not teach history-NOBODY has yet defeated RUSSIA soldier and the natka the steeper laughing ? Of course, the enemy should not be underestimated, but the plan is for chickens from the Netherlands and no hey from geyropa and psakistan. NOT AN OPPONENTS for a RUSSIAN MAN! soldier And there’s a secret hi
  27. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 27 June 2014 12: 49
    Well, not everything is so simple ...
    The personnel of the Finnish army 34 700 people. Acquisition is carried out on the basis of universal military service and recruitment under a contract. Drafting age from 19 years. The total budget of the defensive forces is a little less than 3 billion euros per year.
    Ground Forces: 3 command, 12 military provinces, 22 brigades (armored, armored training, 11 infantry and 9 hunters), 3 anti-aircraft artillery regiment, 16 engineering battalions.
    Previously, the Finnish army was fully focused on Soviet weapons (T-72, T-55, BMP-1 / 2, BTR-60PB, S-125), but now Soviet weapons are being replaced by Western or manufactured own industry.
    100 tanks Leopard 2A4. In total, the 124 tank was delivered from the Bundeswehr. During the 2015-2019 period 100 Leopard 2A6 expected from the Netherlands.

    about 70 T-55 (stocked)

    102 Swedish BMP CV-9030 FIN, total ordered 120;
    110 BMP-2 will be upgraded.

    73 BTR-50, are used as specialized machines;
    367 MT-LB and 41 specialized machine based on MT-LB (147 Pbv 401s were delivered from Sweden to 2011);
    62 wheeled armored personnel carrier of own production Patria AMV;
    583 wheeled armored personnel carriers of Sisu Pasi's own production (XA-180, XA-185, XA-203) are being upgraded;
    47 South African MRAP RG-32 Scout- used by the Finnish contingent in Afghanistan;
    Artillery systems:
    34 MLRS 298 RsRakH 06 - Finnish designation 227-mm American MLRS M270 MLRS. 12 of such MLRSs was also purchased in Denmark.
    36 122 RAKH 89 is the Finnish designation of the Czech version of the BM-21 "Grad" - RM-70. Purchased in Germany from the arsenals of the former NNA of the GDR.
    18 152 TELAK 91 is the Finnish designation of the Soviet 152-mm 2S5 "Hyacinth".
    72 122 PSH 74 - Finnish designation of 122-mm SG 2S1 "Carnation", currently being modernized.

    486 122 H 63A- Finnish designation 122-mm BG D-30.
    56 155 K 98 -155-mm BG 155 GH 52 APU Finnish production.
    15 130 K 90-60 is the Finnish designation for the 130-mm gun M-46.
    24 152 K 89 - Finnish designation of the Soviet 152-mm 2A36 "Hyacinth-B", delivered from the USSR in 1989.
    108 155 K 83-155-mm Tampella 155 K 83 Finnish production, modernized according to NATO standards. The upgraded BGs are called 155 K 83-97.
    18 XA 361- 120-mm twin AMOS mounted on a wheeled APC Patria AMV
    27 Krh-TeKa - 120-mm mortar mounted on a truck NA-140
    In the 2013 of the year, the supply of 81,4-mm mortars mounted on the Bv-206D all-terrain vehicle, which received the name KRH 13, began from Norway.
    About 900 120-mm mortars of own production: 261 120 KRH 92, 120 KRH 92-76, 120 KRH 85-92, 120 KRH 38-77, 120 KRH 3842-77.
    About 1400 mortars of 81,4-82-mm caliber: 81 KRH 97, 81 KRH 71-96Y, 81 KRH 71 Y, 81 KRH 38Y, 82 KRH 36 RT-Finnish name of the Soviet Union-year 82 1938 min.
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 27 June 2014 12: 56
      Air Defense:
      24 PU ITO 96 is the Finnish designation of Buk-M1 air defense systems, currently replaced by the Norwegian NASAMS 2 air defense system. The 3 divisions (18 SDAs and ROMs, 288 missiles 9М38) were delivered in 1997 to pay off the state debt of the USSR. In 2008, Finland decided to abandon the operation of Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile systems, which were on alert for the protection of Helsinki. The decision was made due to the fact that air defense systems are subject to decryption.

      24 PU Norwegian SAM SAMSUNG 2, designed to replace the Buk-M1;
      20 PU ITO 90MOD - French Crotale NG SAM, mounted on the Finnish wheeled armored personnel carrier Sisu XA-181.

      16 PU ITO 2005 and ITO 2005 M - German SAM ASRAD-R with 9K38 Igla MANPADS is installed on trucks: 12 on Unimog 5000 and 4 on Finnish Sisu Nasu.
      The delivery of Danish American MANPADS FIM-92A Stinger and FIM-92F Stinger-RMP Block I is expected
      45 23 ITK 95- modernized by the Finns ZU-23;
      1100 23 ITK 61 is the Finnish designation of our memory 23, produced in Finland under license;
      18 35 ITK 88- Finnish designation of the Swiss 35-mm twin charger Oerlikon GDF;
      6 ITPSV 90 Marksman- Finnish ZSU with two 35-mm guns based on the T-55.

      Anti-tank weapons:
      100 PU PSTOHJ 2000 is the Finnish name for the Israeli anti-tank system Spike-MR, purchased in the Netherlands in December 2013.
      18 PU RO 2006 - Finnish name Spike-ER.

      PSTOHJ 83 MA and PSTOHJ 83 MB are the Finnish names of the American BGM-71E "TOW 2A" and BMG-71F "TOW 2B" respectively.
      RPG: 102 RSLPSTOHJ NLAW (Swedish MBT LAW), 112 RSKES APILAS (French RPG Apilas), 66 KES 12 (American one-time RPG M72 LAW Mk.I), 70 000 66 KES 88N 72N 5N MX one American one 1000-95 (58-mm reusable RPG Finnish production).

      Army Aviation:
      17 transport NH90 (ordered by 20);
      7 American Lightweight Multipurpose MD Helicopters MD 500;
      66 UAV (11 RUAG Swiss-made Ranger; Israeli-made 55 Orbiter)
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 27 June 2014 13: 30
        Finnish Air Force:
        62 American multipurpose fighter McDonnell Douglas F / A-18 Hornet (55 F-18C, 7 UBS F-18D). The first aircraft received in the 1995 year. 7 F / A-18D and accessories for 57 F / A-18C, assembled in Finland, were delivered. In flight accidents, 2 aircraft were lost.

        65 British BAE Hawk reactive warfare systems (42 Mk.51, 7 Mk.51A, 16 Mk.60, can be used as light attack aircraft for direct support of troops.

        3 Spanish EADS CASA C-295 (total ordered 4);

        2 Dutch Fokker F27 (1 is used for electronic intelligence) will be replaced by EADS CASA C-295.

        2 American Learjet 35, designed for conducting aerial photography of the terrain, dropping targets, coastal maritime patrols and for transporting command personnel of the Air Force. To launch targets under the wings, two Swedish-made RM-30 launchers were mounted.

        7 Valmet L-90 Redigo, own production, can be used as a light attack aircraft;

        28 Valmet L-70 Vinka, own production, can be used as a light attack aircraft;

        6 Pilatus PC-12NG, Swiss-made.
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 27 June 2014 14: 02
          Finnish Navy - 3,5 thousand people.
          Ship composition:
          6 mine traps:
          1 of the Pohyanmaa type is the Navy's flagship. Built in the 1978 year, modernized in the 1997-1998 year. Displacement: 1100 / 1476 t. Length - 78,3 m, width - 11,6 m, draft - 3,2 m. EU - twin-shaft, 2 diesel Wartsila-Vasa 16V22. with. Speed ​​- 5800 knots Cruising range - 19 / 3500. Armament: 17 1-mm self-propelled gun Bofors SAK, 57х2 1-mm self-propelled gun Bofors L40, 70х2 2-mm self-propelled gun Sako, 23х2 1-mm machine gun, 12,7XXNNX min.XXNNX min. Crew - 2 people + 5 cadets.

          2 of the Hämeenmaa type (Hämeenmaa and Uusimaa). Built in 1991-1992, modernized in 2007. Displacement: 1000 / 1330 t. Length - 77,0 m, width - 11,6 m, draft - 3,0 m. Power plant - twin-shaft, 2 diesel Wartsila-Vasa 16V22D .with. Speed ​​- 6400 knots Cruising range - 20 / 3600. Armament: 12x1 launchers Sako SAM (Mistral missiles), 6xNUMX 2 mm AU Bofors, 1x40 2-mm AS Sako, 2x23 RBU-2 (5 XBN-XNN-man XNN-XNN-X

          3 type "Pansio" (Porkkala, Pyhäranta, Pansio). Built in 1991-1992 Displacement: 450 t. Length - 44,0 m, width - 10,0 m, draft - 2,0 m. EU - twin-shaft, 2 diesel MTU 12V183 TE62, 1500 hp Speed ​​- 10 knots Crew - 12 people Navig. Radar Raytheon. Armament: 1x2 23-mm AU Sako, 12,7-mm machine gun, 50 min.
          8 missile boats:
          4 types of "Rauma" (Rauma, Raahe, Porvoo, Naantali) 1990-1992 the buildings. Displacement: 215/248 t. Length - 48,0 m, width - 8,0 m, draft - 0,87 m. Power plant - 2 diesel MTU 16V538 TB93, 2 water jets Riva Calzone IRC 115, 8000 hp Speed ​​- bol. 30 knots Cruising range - 500/30. Crew - 19 people. (5 off.). Armament: 2x2 and 2x1 RBS-15SF anti-ship missile launchers, 1x6 Sako SAM launchers (Mistral missiles), 1 40-mm Bofors L70-600E automatic unit, 2x1 12,7-mm machine guns, 2x9 RUB Saab Elma LLS.920

          4 types of "Hamina" (Hamina, Tornio, Hanko, Pori), 1998-2006 the buildings. Displacement: 235/268 tons. Aluminum hull. Length - 50,8 m, width - 8,3 m, draft - 2,0 m. Power plant - 2 MTU 16V538 TB93 diesel engines, 2 KaMeWa 90SII water jets, 8000 hp Speed ​​- 32 knots. Cruising range - 500/30. Crew - 19 people. (5 of.). Armament: 4x1 anti-ship missiles RBS-15SF, UVP SAM Denel Omkhonto, 1 57-mm guns Bofors SAK-57 Mk3, 2 12,7-mm machine guns, 4x9 RUB Saab Elma LLS.920.
          1. Roman 1977
            Roman 1977 27 June 2014 14: 36
            12 minesweepers of the Kuha type. 6 were built in 1974-1975, 6 were built in 1997-2000 according to a modernized design. Displacement: 90 t. Plastic case. Length - 26,6 m, width - 6,9 m, draft - 2,0 m. EU - 2 NT-380M diesel engine, 2 propellers, 660 hp Speed ​​- 12 knots Crew - 14 people (2 of.). Navig. Radar Decca, GAS Patria Finavitec SONAC. Armament: 1x2 23-mm AU Sako, 1 12,7-mm machine gun.

            Upgraded: Displacement: 130 t. Upgraded (Tyovenne Shipyard). Length - 31,6 m, width - 6,9 m, draft - 2,0 m. Power plant - 2 diesel (242kW). Speed ​​- 11 knots Crew - 19 people Armament: 1x2 23-mm AU Sako, 1 12,7-mm machine gun.
            2 landing boats of the Lohi type built by 1984 of the year. Displacement: 28 / 38 t. Aluminum housing. Length - 20,5 m, width - 5,9 m, draft - 1,0 m. EU - 2 diya Wizeman-Mercedes-Benz, 2 propulsion KaMeWa, 1100 hp Speed ​​- 24 knots Cruising range - 240 miles (24 knots). Crew - 4 people Armament: 12,7-mm machine gun. Navig. Radar Decca 1226
            16 Uisko landing boats have been built since 2001 of the year. Displacement: 13 t., Aluminum body. Length - 13,9 m, width - 3,7 m, draft - 0,7 m. EU - 2 Caterpillar diesel engine, 2 propeller. Speed ​​- 37 knots Crew - 3 people Armament: 1 12,7-mm machine gun. Take on board 20 soldiers.
            36 landing craft Meriusko. Displacement: 8,5 / 10,2 t. Length - 11,3 m, width - 3,5 m, draft - 0,6 m. Power plant - 2 diesel engine Volvo TAMD70E, 2 water cannon Hamilton 291, 600 hp (or 1 diesel MTU V8, 1 screw). Speed ​​- 36 knots Crew - 3 people Take on board 25 soldiers.

            4 command boats of the Syöksy type;
            3 transport vessels of the Kampela type;
            5 transport vessels of the "Valas" type.
            Thus, the total missile salvo of the Finnish Navy is 40 missiles: 16 RBS-15SF anti-ship missiles with the Hamina-type RCA and 24 RBS-15 anti-ship missiles with the Rauma-type RCA. The "Achilles heel" of the Finnish ships is weak air defense, only 4 ships of the "Hamina" type are armed with the South African Denel Omkhonto short-range air defense system with UVP. However, the presence of 6 minelayers allowing simultaneous deployment of 730 mines (120 from Pohyanmaa, 200-300 from 2 ships of the Hämeenmaa type, 150 from 3 types of Pansio), can block the Gulf of Finland, blocking the Kronstadt naval base. However, the Finnish Navy rightly considers weaker than our BF (aggregate missile salvo-102 anti-ship missiles: 8 "mosquitoes from" Persistent "+ 8 X-35 from" Yaroslav the Wise "+32 X-35 from 4 corvettes of project 20380+ 24 P-120 from 4 MRK project 1234+ 24 "Mosquito" with 6 RCA pr. 1241 + 8 P-15 with 2 RCA pr. 12411T)
  28. brn521
    brn521 27 June 2014 12: 52
    If the Finns join NATO, then for a bunch of nishtyaks and bonuses in economic terms. And not as usual, a threat as a blinker in front of your eyes, plus a milking machine hitched to a noise. They will probably be forced to rearm at their own expense, buying any garbage from Western concerns at a frantic price, in return for excellent Finnish samples. I also can not imagine a Finn soaring in any Syria as part of a peacekeeping contingent.
    Finland is the only country whose exit from the empire led to the preservation of stability and prosperity. It can not be compared with Lithuania or Latvia, which turned into miserable beggars. Can the Finns let themselves be bred? If NATO wants to keep its troops on their territory, let them pay rent comparable in strategic importance.
  29. okunevich_rv
    okunevich_rv 27 June 2014 13: 27
    The Finns are good guys, but the Bilderberg Club has already decided everything for them, defense contributions will increase, while the funds will be spent on bringing weapons systems in line with NATO systems, namely the purchase of obsolete US-made weapons. They won’t ask anyone. The club will plunder the Finns gently so that they don’t immediately notice that the army is no longer there, and deductions for public safety have ravaged the country and there is nowhere to go, the Finns will certainly understand, but you have to pay because such terrible Russians are nearby.
    In Lithuania, Latvia, etc. they began to understand what kind of public safety they landed in but late.
  30. tomcat117
    tomcat117 27 June 2014 13: 38
    "Finland will shake off the Russian threat like dandruff"

    Better shake the dandruff from your brains.
  31. brn521
    brn521 27 June 2014 14: 15
    The title of the article is of course stupid. But there is a transcript in the text
    there is no threat from Russia with regard to Finland, and all talk of it is like "dandruff that can be shaken off."

    Those. it's about the dubious quality of the scarecrow, under the guise of which they want to cut money from the Finns.
    “Internationally, Russia is not a great power”

    To the point too. We can only breed diplomacy, impose all kinds of veto there, well, it can also supply weapons and technologies. Neither Iraq, nor Iran, nor Syria will see our soldiers and equipment, only the USSR could decide on this. And then there are Finns who are not at all eager to become part of their neighbors. Yes, give Putin the order to advance, they will send him right there, and with obscenities. The Finns are great guys, we will not fight along with them, but we will thump together, writing excuses, why our offensive failed right at the very beginning.
    Whereas if they wear blue helmets, they will immediately turn into state dogs, tearing apart peaceful countries and asking for adequate resistance. Do Finns need it?
    Well, come some kind of Hitler to us, he will have a lot of problems at first, build the economy from scratch, restore the industry.

    In general, two sober opinions from Finnish politicians. For which he put the article plus, it’s nice to think that not the whole world community has gotten its brains so far.
  32. Dimas2
    Dimas2 27 June 2014 14: 18
    Yes, Russophobia is in vogue today ... what kind of brain do you need in order to consider Russia's invasion of Finland a reality, only a sick brain of Psaki or Obama, McCain is capable of this. Finns don’t threaten us, why should we fight them ??? the finals seem tired of independence, have stayed free for a hundred years and everything is booming ?? come to your senses before it's too late ....
  33. Perch_xnumx
    Perch_xnumx 27 June 2014 14: 26
    The headline should read "NATO has decided to equip sites in Finland for a quick strike against Russia."
    What threat will such an asymmetric response be, probably right down to the nuclear tactical one.
    With Russian - Finnish trade will have to strike up. Let the Chinese better buy wood and other raw materials.
  34. Leshka
    Leshka 27 June 2014 14: 44
    if they join NATO then for us it does not bode well
    1. ural evgeniy
      ural evgeniy 27 June 2014 15: 27
      Yes, for a long time there is nothing good for us, we need to raise our economy, develop, and no indulgences to anyone. Purely business relations. By the way, business relations are much better than "friendly" ones, since no one is obliged to lie to anyone about "love for one's neighbor." business, business only
  35. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 27 June 2014 16: 21
    Some kind of clown ..
  36. Kibl
    Kibl 27 June 2014 17: 11
    It’s time for Russia to put a big device on Europe for a long time, there’s nothing good here, just obscurantism and stupidity! I’m saying this is a European born in the USSR and living in a great country for 18 years! Europe sucks, you can only stay in it as a tourist, take a look and home.The future of Russia in the East, there are really great countries with great history and culture! When the East developed science, technology, etc., the European nations rummaged in herds in dense forests with doublets. Europe rots and this is a fact, and no European civilization, and no European values ​​exist anymore !!!
  37. Belbizback
    Belbizback 27 June 2014 17: 20
    If you trace how many times the Finns wanted in NATO ... throughout the whole time from the base of NATO. You can understand that the Finns in NATO are not much torn, only some individuals.
  38. 3vs
    3vs 27 June 2014 17: 25
    It is time for 4/5 of the population of Finland, which is against NATO, to quietly harvest tires.
    Maidan, however, will have to be with such a government! laughing
  39. Akulina
    Akulina 27 June 2014 17: 25
    Some nonsense, I also have "hot Finnish guys". Peter, and the whole northwest in the Finn is overstocked every day for crazy Jews. There, half of the country lives with trade with Russia. Houses, apartments, dachas are bought and rented. By the way, a summer cottage can be bought even cheaper than near St. Petersburg. Who will fight there? And how many Russian wives are there ... yes, they quickly tear off their bosses for their "warriors".
  40. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 27 June 2014 17: 59
    “On an international scale, Russia is not a great power,” this person believes.
    - internationally, there is no such power as Finland! laughing
  41. 1goose3
    1goose3 27 June 2014 20: 25
    Russophobia in Finland is certainly enough. But Finland, even during Soviet times, maintained neutrality and therefore will not follow these inadequacies.
    In any case, I would like to believe in it.
  42. 1goose3
    1goose3 27 June 2014 20: 25
    Russophobia in Finland is certainly enough. But Finland, even during Soviet times, maintained neutrality and therefore will not follow these inadequacies.
    In any case, I would like to believe in it.
  43. xomaNN
    xomaNN 27 June 2014 20: 28
    That the Finns, who in the past decades bought or bartered took weapons of the USSR and Russia, and now only the western one - CALL feel
  44. tehnoluks
    tehnoluks 27 June 2014 20: 46
    For example, for those who are in the subject. But for the headline, the author should have knocked on the head. Moreover, it does not reflect the meaning of the article, it is also intended to form a definite opinion in lured this way parts of the audience.
    1. tehnoluks
      tehnoluks 27 June 2014 20: 51
      Damn, the first time I see a whole phrase without a mat and so on. rudeness cut to the point! Moderators! Why are you using filters ?!
  45. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 27 June 2014 21: 15
    How dandruff shakes off Russia, Finland, if necessary. These pink-cheeked lovers of alcohol and Russian babe (a Ukrainian prostitute standing on the Helsinki-Vyborg highway) degraded, just as the Western consumer society wanted them to. Today, the Finns are not at all the nation that in 1939 could cause damage to the Red Army. Today it is European dandruff. Dust under the tracks of Russian tanks. They are aware of this and therefore it is interesting to observe their throwing from one extreme to another. Decide already, Finns!
  46. soyuz-nik
    soyuz-nik 28 June 2014 00: 51
    Good health, I wish!
    I think the sociological aspect is important: who are these 20% who support the idea of ​​Finland joining NATO? If these are young people, then over time this percentage will tend to increase.
    Need counter-propaganda.

  47. Morgan761
    Morgan761 28 June 2014 02: 37
    Let them go already ... To this .... how it is there, NATU .... If they have it SO called .... It’s easier to call, and you can send it farther and deeper .....
  48. Camouflet
    Camouflet 28 June 2014 05: 10
    Moreover, “on an international scale, Russia is not a great power,” this person believes.

    In order to crush the bug, it is not necessary to be a great power.
  49. barbiturate
    barbiturate 28 June 2014 05: 11
    as soon as the worst losses begin (and how can I smoke from the trench with a machine gun?) they will sober up and forget) Funny such, shrapnel wounds they saw interesting from the mortar?) of course our forces will not be enough to cross the border, but if aggression ...) It’s a pity their soldiers, why will they die in large numbers?