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How to take Kiev and Lviv

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How to take Kiev and Lviv


Now in the Donbass there has been a positive turning point. Militiamen began to form an army, volunteers with combat experience arrive, they say Tanks and howitzers appeared in a fair amount. Kiev seems to have begun to make gestures towards negotiations (although it is not very clear what to negotiate with them after the bombing of peaceful cities with phosphorus bombs).

Many hot heads offer to form tank brigades and go to Kiev and Lviv, to free the cities from the fascists. At the same time, they somehow somehow forget that the same fascists have been unable to take a little Slavyansk for several months. Before that, one can recall the sad experience of Grozny. About Stalingrad, and so everything is already shot and said. Where to climb - to take by storm the multimillion Kiev or Lviv?!. Imagine how difficult and bloody it is even for a large and equipped professional army. Where to go to the emerging army of the Southeast! ..

However, this in no way means that Kiev can be left to the fascists.

Kiev can be released smarter, without shots from the army of the South-East. The key to everything is money! It's all about the financial organization of the country, which is called Ukraine. Southeast (Novorossiya) earns most of the money, the money goes to Kiev, from there a small part returns to the Southeast, the rest goes to Western and Central Ukraine.

Thus, no matter what anyone says, it is Novorossia that feeds Ukraine and zapadentsev in particular. The main problem of the Russian world in Ukraine is Westerners, plus supporters of European integration, who need visas to Europe for work. All this is generously pumped up with anti-Russian propaganda and fueled by gosdepovskimi money. What can you do in this situation?

The task must be divided into several moves:

1. The DPR and the LPR must fight back, create an effective army with heavy weapons, clean up their territory from the Ukrainian military and Kolomoisky mercenaries. All the institutions of statehood must be created: their own governors and mayors are chosen (that is, new leaders to be legalized, get official status and public support), a bank is created (or Russia is invited) to which all tax deductions should be closed from which will go salaries, pensions, infrastructure investments, the salary of the military.

2. You need to "take your own" pull up in Novorossia other regions of the Southeast. The situation is complicated by the fact that in these regions there is a propaganda pumping of the population, people are zombied, and even the inhabitants of the DPR and the LPR are called “zeks”, “daunbas” and “lugandons” (sorry for the verbatim quotation). Information resistance is needed: it is necessary to create the Novorossiya TV channel and radio stations that will broadcast to the territory of Ukraine, giving the public alternative information. Need work with the population, with local activists.
Association with the EU in the very near future will finish off the economy of Ukraine, breaking ties with the Russian Federation will lead to the closure of factories in the Southeast, people will be left without work and money, which will lead to an increase in protest moods.
Plus, winter, gas prices and all tariffs, and other delights of European integration.
It will be very important to help holding rallies not so much for political reasons (referendum), but for social and economic reasons. It should be understood that the authorities will most likely “drive” rallies, and in response it would be nice to help the people weapons and defense specialists such as Strelkova. It is very important that by this time a new state of Novorossia on the basis of the DNR and the LC is actually formed, so that it has already cleared its territory and rose to its feet. The goal for the Southeast should be clearly stated: "European integration is death for the economy of the Southeast, Eurasian integration in the structure of New Russia is life and development." The army of New Russia will have to help to clear the entire Southeast of the National Guard and the Pravosek, help hold referendums on self-determination and accept them into the structure of New Russia.
New Russia will have to start moving in the direction of the CU and the EAEU - the transition to Russian legislation, standards, the ruble, and so on. What to do after the liberation of New Russia?

Step 3. Go to Kiev? Go to Lviv? In no case!!! These are huge sacrifices and destruction. Obviously, fascism cannot be driven out of Western Ukraine; for this, it would have been necessary to cleanse this land of the population, and this is already another fascism. It is necessary to remove Galicia and Volhynia from the body of the Russian world back to where they came from. To do this, it is necessary for Novorossia to stop paying taxes to Kiev. And that’s it! As soon as Kiev runs out of money for Galicia and Volhynia, the zapadents will rage for a while, but when it comes to the understanding that there is no money and WILL NOT ALREADY BE ALREADY, they will become susceptible to one idea - a referendum on self-determination. Referendum on reunification with historical homeland, in the format of the borders of 1939. In the end, why the Crimea, the DNI and the LC are possible, but not Galicia and Volhynia? If they vote for reunification, Europe will take them back to itself, and the Westerners will again become Europeans and cease to be a problem of the Russian world. They will become a problem of the budget and law enforcement agencies of Poland, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia.

In this case, it will be possible to promote one little idea for Ukrainian supporters of European integration: if they want to become Europeans now, they can register in Lviv or Ternopil regions and enter Europe automatically, by obtaining citizenship of countries that are already EU members.

In theory, this may be the best solution for the population of Ukraine: Westerners return to Europe, taking with them supporters of European integration. I suppose that without them, Central Ukraine and Kiev will finally become a much more quiet and peaceful place.

And after that, with the calming Kiev and Central Ukraine, it will finally be possible to establish a dialogue and relations.
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  1. Baitly
    Baitly 27 June 2014 08: 22
    +34
    I completely agree with the Author! There’s nothing to add drinks
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 27 June 2014 08: 33
      +39
      Quote: baitly
      I completely agree with the Author! There’s nothing to add drinks

      Such intelligent thoughts are not news ...
      But, unfortunately, many in the independent one have not yet ripened to them. They do not want a peaceful divorce, as in Czechoslovakia, for example.
      Sala is still roaring to Ukraine, the heroes of sala! They want a great European power. Yes And they foolishly believe that "the richest land in Ukraine is not May"
      As for understanding about wealth, we need a few more months, so that there really is nothing to buy for ourselves and our family.
      And they also drove the son to the ATO to actively participate ... Yes, he was torn off a little there, or they even drove him in ...
      Then, yes, the eyes open.
      Unfortunately, it is not known how many more soldiers need to be killed in the Donbass in order to get sick and got an understanding of the fact that they do not want to endure not only banderlogs, but their spirit in the Southeast.
      Is it not better to exert efforts to eliminate the Beni, Avakovs, Parubiev, pastors, rabbits, etc. bastards?
      1. PRN
        PRN 27 June 2014 08: 39
        +24
        The author is right, even Sun Tzu said - Fight a hundred times and win a hundred times - this is not the best of the best; the best of the best is to conquer an alien army without fighting!
        1. Ivan Petrovich
          Ivan Petrovich 27 June 2014 09: 36
          -18
          another sofa Napoleon :)
          1. WKS
            WKS 27 June 2014 10: 35
            +12
            Quote: Ivan Petrovich
            another sofa Napoleon :)

            Do you mean the author? This is not so, the author has strategic thinking and is trying to convey these thoughts to society. Unlike Bonabart, he does not have the opportunity to personally implement his ideas.
          2. Validator
            Validator 27 June 2014 12: 05
            +9
            Quote: Ivan Petrovich
            another sofa Napoleon :)

            The author is clearly not an expert pro, but he managed to correctly formulate those ideas that hang in the air. Western Ukraine - separated, New Russia - annexed, Central Ukraine re-educated through the stomach, cleaned of pro-Western evil spirits and then also annexed, but peacefully. What did you do, Ivan Petrovich?
            1. socrates7
              socrates7 27 June 2014 12: 56
              +3
              Like what? Ivan Petrovich drink ... l, noted.
        2. 1812 1945
          1812 1945 27 June 2014 09: 55
          +3
          Quote: PRN
          The author is right, even Sun Tzu said - Fight a hundred times and win a hundred times - this is not the best of the best; the best of the best is to conquer an alien army without fighting!

          The quote is good. And the action plan in the article is great. And this is exactly how the authorities of New Russia will strive to act, I hope. But the author did not notice the rake that the author of another article on this topic, which appeared a few days ago, stepped on. In this case, the rake is the United States (and the interests of the EU to a certain, much lesser extent). The pacification of the region cannot take place without a forceful "element" for resolving the current situation. But, of course, it cannot be something similar to what is happening now - in the style of the Second World War - long, bloody, costly ... PS Yes, Poland, Hungary, Romania want to get some territories of Western Ukraine, but Brussels, the locomotives of the EU see the situation is somewhat different.
          1. divangeneral
            27 June 2014 10: 20
            +2
            Yes, New Russia should have an army and protected borders from the Nazis
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      3. alexng
        alexng 27 June 2014 08: 45
        +5
        So, in my opinion this is the cunning Plan E, which is already being implemented. In theory, by December, everything should end and end with the trial of all the current power fascists Ruins.
        1. raptor1975
          raptor1975 27 June 2014 11: 02
          +1
          As far as I know: the Poles hate Ukrainians so much (I don’t know why), and there will be a disaster for them - after Ukraine joins the EU there will be an influx of bandits, idlers from Ukraine to Poland, the Czech Republic, plus there will be many more Ukrainian prostitutes in Spain’s brothels, and the most interesting thing is that all these countries are silent, everyone listens only to the Americans ...
          1. BelPartizan
            BelPartizan 27 June 2014 11: 41
            +1
            How do you not know why? And the Volyn massacre? Didn't you hear that Bendera managed to commit genocide in Poland. This is the well-known Volyn massacre, when tens of thousands of Poles died. Surnames 27.000 are known by surname, the rest are supposedly
            1. Koryatovich
              Koryatovich 27 June 2014 15: 14
              +3
              The Volyn massacre is often mentioned, but for some reason everyone is silent on the policy of pacification pursued by the Pilsudski government. After all, there was an ethnic conflict between Ukrainians and Poles, it is incorrect to consider one of its episodes in isolation from other events. In general, this conflict was also in the territory of Galicia and in Southeast Poland. Moreover, while 35 Poles and 000 Ukrainians died in Volyn, 19 Ukrainians and 000 Poles died in Southeast Poland. Everyone remembers the Volyn massacre, but they prefer to remain silent about the massacre in Southeast Poland.
          2. Validator
            Validator 27 June 2014 12: 07
            +1
            Quote: raptor1975
            As far as I know: Poles hate Ukrainians so much (I don’t know why)

            And you read the story and the classics. You can start with Taras Bulba :)
          3. soyuz-nik
            soyuz-nik 27 June 2014 22: 40
            0
            Good health, I wish!
            In Europe, the notorious "friendship of peoples" in its own way: the French do not like the Britons and the Germans, and vice versa, so to speak, lamour de trois ... and the Italians are also called pasta ... If you dig around, you can find a lot of other examples among European peoples (would the same Czechs separate from the Slovaks?).
            There is an opinion that the gentry emanate bile on Russia and the Russians because Russia became the world-class empire, and not the Commonwealth ...
            In this regard, the coats of arms of some European cities are noteworthy (for example, http://pikabu.ru/story/prosto_gerbyi_nekotoryikh_evropeyskikh_gorodov_2316849)
            I agree with the Author in many ways, however, I do not rule out the possibility that for the first time in Novorossia it will be necessary to impose either martial law or curfew (or another regime) in order to free from the hostile element, establish normal business, delimitation / demarcation of (temporary) borders .
            New Russia should become a center of attraction for other regions of Ukraine, offering them an alternative arrangement of society (state).
            However, the huge question remains open: how to ensure the investigation and the tribunal for all anti-human facts that have taken place in the modern history of Ukraine? An important task is to expose the filthiness of the power elites of the p.i.nd.s.d.so.sov.v. and geyrops, as well as putting on the agenda of the international community the issue of amending the UN charter (questions on the application of sanctions, false media, gingerbread diplomacy, etc.) In addition, it is necessary that official representatives be heard at the UN and other venues LPR / DPR (New Russia), as well as ordinary citizens of Ukraine on the facts of the reincarnation of fascismhi
      4. military
        military 27 June 2014 09: 05
        +5
        Quote: Alekseev
        Is it not better to exert efforts to eliminate the Beni, Avakovs, Parubiev, pastors, rabbits, etc. bastards?

        this is not just "better" ... this is task number 1 ... as long as these guides are alive, there will be no peace in the southeast ...
        1. Carlos
          Carlos 27 June 2014 09: 57
          +1
          They must live to see the tribunal.
          1. socrates7
            socrates7 27 June 2014 12: 59
            +1
            Everything must be done so that these scum appear before the court. In addition, it is necessary to take such measures that the oligarchs forever forget what politics and political power are. Now they have a business and let them do it. They always need to discourage climbing into power or influence power.
          2. Svist
            Svist 27 June 2014 17: 44
            0
            I would not be very upset if they did not survive.
      5. oblako
        oblako 27 June 2014 09: 23
        +2
        The idea of ​​Ukrainian fascism must "outlive itself". Any idea loses its relevance and vitality when brought to the point of absurdity ... What the Ukrainian fascists and their patrons are doing with success, we must help them in every way in this. Killing people is not our way. Our path is the path of dialogue, including the economic one.
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      7. Fin
        Fin 27 June 2014 10: 21
        +1
        Quote: Alekseev
        Is it not better to exert efforts to eliminate the Beni, Avakovs, Parubiev, pastors, rabbits, etc. bastards?

        With two hands for. The first two would be like a trial for the murder of the population. These creatures should not remain in this world, there they are already tired of waiting ...
      8. Rus2012
        Rus2012 27 June 2014 10: 25
        +1
        Quote: Alekseev
        Such intelligent thoughts are not news ...

        As soon as Kiev runs out of money for Galicia and Volhynia, the zapadents will rage for a while, but when it comes to the understanding that there is no money and there WILL ALREADY BE NO MORE, they will become susceptible to one idea - a referendum on self-determination. Referendum on reunification with the historical homeland, in the format of the borders of 1939 of the year.

        No one will go to this from external countries, except 3,14ndosia!
        Europe understands that Natsik-Banderaites, as passionate ones, need to be lime, as aggressively dangerous pests by dust. Otherwise, the consequences are not predictable ...
        There are two options:
        - put bones on the battlefield
        - pass through the gulag archipelago
        Therefore, the civil war on the edge will continue until victory. Then enter the peacekeepers. On both sides. Guess what ...
        More details here - http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1391086/
      9. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 27 June 2014 11: 33
        0
        Is it not better to exert efforts to eliminate the Beni, Avakovs, Parubiev, pastors, rabbits, etc. bastards?
        That's it. And this should also be in the long-term program. No appeal. Here from Israel to take an example is simply crucial.
      10. Foxtrot
        Foxtrot 27 June 2014 11: 55
        +3
        There are very big doubts about, for example, the Poles to take the Galicians. They treat them very badly, you will be very surprised, but much worse than the Russians.
      11. Deff
        Deff 27 June 2014 12: 33
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        Isn't it better to exert efforts to eliminate the Beni, Avakovs, Parubiev, pass

        ++ 100% more effective, cheaper, and even closer to the collapse of the "heirs" and a more peaceful transition to the final outcome with fewer losses. Someone Benya feeds in our government, otherwise I will not explain the vitality of this murderer!
      12. mamont5
        mamont5 27 June 2014 14: 48
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        Is it not better to exert efforts to eliminate the Beni, Avakovs, Parubiev, pastors, rabbits, etc. bastards?


        That would be good. But he recently read (and not in one article) that Kolomoisky (Benya) had already fled, presumably to Europe. And no one has seen him in Ukraine since May. All his affairs are run by his assistants.
    2. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 27 June 2014 08: 41
      +6
      Quote: "" It is obvious that fascism cannot be driven out of Western Ukraine, for this it would be necessary to clear this land of the population, and this is already another fascism. It is necessary to remove Galicia and Volhynia from the body of the Russian world back to where they came from "".

      Let me show Poland, Romania, Hungary "ordinary fascism, the leadership of which is so supportive of the latest actions of dill. You still can't force the govnosekov to work. Let them see the prostitute countries of the Baltic states. Soon everyone will crawl to Russia for handouts."
      1. Nikolav
        Nikolav 27 June 2014 08: 56
        +4
        Roshen in Lipetsk warned of criminal liability
        The factory’s actions to dispose of wastewater are considered illegal.


        The Oktyabrsky District Department of Bailiffs of the UFSSP of Russia in the Lipetsk Region received an enforcement document to be immediately executed by the lawsuit of the interdistrict environmental prosecutor’s office, regarding the debtor of Rosneft LKF OJSC on the recognition of their actions as illegal and their obligation to suspend the discharge of wastewater until a decision on the provision of water object to use.
        1. Edvagan
          Edvagan 27 June 2014 13: 30
          +1
          and even if they sort it out with water, there is something in the air. Although you can’t completely close it, you need a thread to Poroshenko to pull from time to time
    3. Giant thought
      Giant thought 27 June 2014 09: 01
      +1
      Reasonable ideas have the right to implementation.
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    5. Horst78
      Horst78 27 June 2014 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: baitly
      There’s nothing to add

      Yes, there is something. For example, without the recognition of Novorossiya, how will it trade? Transnistria puts the label "Made in Moldova" to sell its products.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 27 June 2014 09: 46
        +3
        Quote: Horst78
        without the recognition of New Russia how will it trade?

        Well, then they recognize! Business!
      2. divangeneral
        27 June 2014 10: 19
        +2
        The economy of New Russia is historically tied to Russia.
        to a lesser extent on China.
        that Russia, that China does not need recognition for trade
        1. Zverboy
          Zverboy 27 June 2014 14: 00
          0
          Deliveries to Europe and Ukraine will be completely blocked, and I strongly doubt that Russia will be able to regularly buy all the products of Novorossia, while the mines are unprofitable and they are closed in the Russian part of the Donbass.
    6. 222222
      222222 27 June 2014 10: 17
      +1
      the old fox was silent for a long time .. now it was born .. "Brzezinski: the main task is to prevent the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine"
      June 16th ...
      "What did Brzezinski say? Let's single out the main idea of ​​the speech. It turned out, oddly enough, the idea of ​​the need to prevent the entry of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine. This, in the opinion of the American geopolitician, should not allow the United States in any case. According to him, Russia gained control of an important geopolitical region and its actions in Ukraine threaten to “destabilize the situation in Europe”, “testify to the destruction of the post-Second World International Order in Europe,” that is, if we set aside the rhetoric, threaten the American order in Europe and the US plans for the post-Soviet space.

      “The Ukrainian problem is a challenge to which the West, by which I understand the United States, Europe, and in particular NATO, must answer at three levels,” said Brzezinski:

      1) The first level according to Brzezinski is this set of priority measures, the purpose of which is to force Russia to abandon full-scale military intervention. “We must effectively prevent the temptation of the Russian leadership to use force. Simply put, we must prevent the use of force, ”the American geopolitician emphasized.

      2) The second level is analytical, the West must understand how ambitious Russia's goals are with regard to Ukraine. “We must determine how great Russia's resolve is to destabilize various parts of Ukraine,” said the coryphaeus of American geopolitics. In this regard, Brzezinski emphasized that Russia provides massive military support to the rebels in Novorossia, and its actions cannot be regarded otherwise as “interstate aggression”.

      3) The third level is diplomatic, the West should offer Russia a kind of compromise, while Russia should refuse both the support of the rebels and the idea of ​​large-scale military intervention in the conflict.

      As we can see, the main idea is precisely to prevent the introduction of Russian troops and the gradual "drain" of armed support for the rebels. "

      “What will happen if the United States fails to prevent the entry of Russian troops and, in general, a military solution to the conflict by Russia? Brzezinski said about this: Russia itself will unilaterally resolve the Ukrainian issue, and“ the forces of chauvinism ”will win. The United States, the Russian majority, will see a rise in national consciousness.

      Western-oriented forces will not be able to oppose Putin and use the burgeoning urban middle class (which Brzezinski has always pinned his hopes on when it comes to Russia) to their advantage. This is exactly what will happen if Putin brings in troops. This is what Brzezinski is afraid of. "
      http://www.geopolitika.ru/article/bzhezinskiy-glavnaya-zadacha-ne-dopustit-vvoda

      -rossiyskih-voysk-na-ukrainu # .U60LHZR_vko

      Starikov N.V. wrote on his website that he was supported by Nikita Mikhalkov about not sending Russian troops to Ukraine .. (((Nikita Mikhalkov supported my point of view http://nstarikov.ru/blog/41732)) .. A logical question arises .. .Who is supported by you-Brzezinski or He and Mikhalkov you ?????
      1. 222222
        222222 27 June 2014 12: 00
        0
        How !!! And here Ganapolsky was born (otherwise everything on Shuster's program ... comes off) .. if you could only be mortified what IT carries ...: "Putin's" betrayal "
        Radicals threaten Russia and its leader .. "" "
        .. "when the president suddenly decided to stop the aggression, who will protect Vladimir Putin himself? OMON? The army? Usually, in such situations, the country's leader is most reliably protected by the public opinion of his supporters.

        Yes, Putin’s popularity now is over 80%!

        Yes, Vladimir Putin decided that we do not need a war near the border.

        But what about those who already "declare war" on him? It seems to me that this is a new serious challenge for both our country and the president. "
        http://www.mk.ru/politics/2014/06/25/predatelstvo-putina.html
        ..and internal enemies were immediately found as "three from the casket .." ..
        PS-campaigns of Starikov and Mikhalkov increased Ganapolsky? .. Bravo patriots .. !!!
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 27 June 2014 14: 03
          +1
          Quote: 222222
          the old fox was silent for a long time .. now it was born .. "Brzezinski: the main task is to prevent the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine"

          it’s just a bluff, in my opinion, the Yusovtsy are sleeping and seeing that we have introduced troops, that something and the world in the region is definitely not happy with them ... hi
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 27 June 2014 12: 22
        +2
        Quote: 222222
        . "Brzezinski: the main task is to prevent the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine"

        Oh, those terrible Russians ... laughing
        1. 222222
          222222 27 June 2014 12: 45
          0
          Bayonet (1) SU Today, 12:22 ↑ New
          Oh, those terrible Russians ".." And let's equate the Pen with the Bayonet! "laughing hi
          And here is the heavy artillery udaprila .. Read ..
          "David Kramer - President of Freedom House. Published: 26/06/2014 17:50
          Original publication: US Must Move Now
          "Now is not the time to take Putin's word for it. He remains a dangerous threat not only to Ukraine, but to all of Russia's neighbors, as well as to European security and transatlantic stability. Obama must demonstrate US leadership by opposing this threat and imposing significant sanctions against Russian banks, energy companies, and defense and information technology firms. Such leadership will serve the national interests of the United States and may even force Europeans to follow the American example and do the right thing too. "
          http://inosmi.ru/world/20140627/221283155.html#ixzz35pJpKmjG
          .. all for the sake of national interests of the United States .. in open text .. and most importantly, this is Putin alone to blame for everything as if He RIDED OUT ... and handed out pies from a nobleman’s hand .. ???
          By the way, this is not David Kramer’s subordinate constantly on Solovyov’s show PR.
          1. socrates7
            socrates7 27 June 2014 13: 13
            +1
            The American "political scientist" forgot to blame Putin for such troubles as tsunami, tornado, oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. And it was not America that bombed Yugoslavia, but Putin. And in Libya, Gaddafi was killed not by the rebels, but by Putin's special services. In general, the whole world is Putin. What can you say about this? Either they are utterly stupid people, or they are people who do not know what conscience, decency, dignity, honor, etc. are.
            1. kush62
              kush62 27 June 2014 13: 32
              0
              What can be said about this? Either they are utterly stupid people, or they are people who don’t know what conscience, decency, dignity, honor, etc. are.

              In their dictionaries there are no such words and concepts, and if there are, they are greatly distorted. For example, the democratization of a country - sending cruise missiles and bombing.
            2. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 27 June 2014 14: 05
              +1
              Quote: sokrat7
              Either they are utterly stupid people, or they are people who don’t know what conscience, decency, dignity, honor, etc. are.

              certainly not the first option, otherwise they would not have crushed half the world for themselves ... hi
      3. kush62
        kush62 27 June 2014 13: 29
        +1
        Bzezhinsky's rhetoric is a cheap provocation. Like we (Russia) will take this and rush to send troops.
        1. 222222
          222222 27 June 2014 13: 35
          +1
          kush62 RU Today, 13:29 ↑ New
          @ The rhetoric of Brzezinski is a cheap provocation. @
          Sorry, but you are not at all a topic in the topic .. All US policy is built on discrete Brzezinski models for the last decades .. and as a rule, He speaks openly ..
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 27 June 2014 14: 09
            +1
            Quote: 222222
            kush62 RU Today, 13:29 ↑ New
            @ The rhetoric of Brzezinski is a cheap provocation. @
            Sorry, but you are not at all a topic in the topic .. All US policy is built on discrete Brzezinski models for the last decades .. and as a rule, He speaks openly ..

            and you are like "fershtein" ... discrete models of the USA - the world in the whole world ... yeah ... and grandfather Brzezinski is generally very deeply concerned about the war in Ukraine, he tried so hard to prevent it! ...wassat
            1. 222222
              222222 27 June 2014 14: 45
              0
              Andrey Yurievich (5) SU Today, 14:09 ↑
              and grandfather Brzezinski is generally very deeply concerned about the war in Ukraine, he tried so hard to prevent it! "
              .. firstly, he is a Pole by nationality, and secondly, he "laid" Ukraine as a precursor stone in the 20th century, see below ..
              Author: Brzezinski Zbigniew
              Title: Great Chess Board
              Год издания: 1998
              http://royallib.ru/read/bgezinskiy_zbignev/velikaya_shahmatnaya_doska.html#0
              .. his last speeches testify to that. that the American world is collapsing, and Russia is gaining weight, power and influence .. It comes to him to involve Russia in the Western sphere ..
              ..about US policy .. Conceptual foundations of US foreign policy in scientific works - See more at: http://geopolitics.by/analytics/konceptualnye-osnovy-vneshney-politiki-ssha-v-na
              uchnyh-trudah # sthash.iCUELngv.dpuf
    7. svp67
      svp67 27 June 2014 11: 21
      +1
      Quote: baitly
      I completely agree with the Author! There’s nothing to add
      Why is there -
      How to take Kiev and Lviv
      - DO NOT TAKE, but RELEASE ...
    8. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 27 June 2014 11: 31
      0
      A referendum on reunification with the historical homeland, in the format of the 1939 borders.
      The author is right, but not entirely. As Mark Twain said, "Buy land - they don't produce it anymore." There, Japan and China are ready to fight for every inch of sea cliff (of course, with the attached territorial waters). So there is nothing to give to Europe. So no volosts can be saved. They have plundered enough all over the world over the past 5 centuries.
      It's just that in these territories one should not be lazy to invest in people's minds. These are long-term programs for propaganda, education, etc.
      1. divangeneral
        27 June 2014 12: 19
        +1
        it's useless
        Galicians can’t make peace
        years through 70 again relapse will be
    9. Buran
      Buran 27 June 2014 11: 45
      +7
      The author is right when there are not enough brains, a wallet and a stomach begin to bring up the correct attitude!
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 27 June 2014 12: 03
        -1
        Quote: Buran
        wallet and stomach begin to bring up the correct attitude!


        yeah .. I can make such pictures with each country and what ... it’s not necessary to insert a picture for my thoughts ... In Ukraine you can find a million places where it would look no worse than the others. Yes, and PN looked much better than anyone, before the Maidan. And it will look.
        You are so smart here, sit talking like all fascists there. Sit as couch teachers and give advice.
        But the author of the article especially tried ... an unknowing ford climbs into the water and operates with simple and understandable words for the masses but not for experts --- pure populism. It is not that simple. Donbass is just more connected with the Ukrainian market, and there is also a large part of the Russian market. Difficulties will be considerable.
        Do not forget that now chemistry costs (by the way because of gas) and the Russian Federation does not think to sell HP this gas, and in general it will be difficult to think that it is easy to get HP and even have an ekonomik right away. It will take years. And then with the right steps.
        Vaughn Transnistria covered the shop and all --- more of their goods in Ukraine are not sold. Plus blockade full of borders. something is sad for them.
        And it’s worse with the Donbass - what if sluggish bombing? What nafig economy? It’s easy to destroy, create anew again ... to write the fairy tale author - everything is simple on paper with him, only there are unlimited gullies. I'm sad. VO began to look more like a populist site where there are 2-3 comments about weapons, and thousands of journalistic topics ..
    10. Cherdak
      Cherdak 27 June 2014 12: 16
      0
      Quote: 1
      In theory, this may be the best solution for the population of Ukraine: Westerners return to Europe, taking with them supporters of European integration. I suppose that without them, Central Ukraine and Kiev will finally become a much more quiet and peaceful place.

      The idea is old, but its implementation will be too bloody
      1. divangeneral
        27 June 2014 12: 21
        0
        Yes. unfortunately, not without blood ...
        at least it must be minimized ...
    11. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 27 June 2014 15: 59
      0
      Quote: baitly
      I completely agree with the Author! There’s nothing to add
      strange ... but what about the trial of war criminals?
      1. divangeneral
        28 June 2014 10: 25
        0
        criminals are likely to flee abroad.
        but there each of them will have their own ice ax or scarf in the bathroom
    12. Ujin61
      Ujin61 27 June 2014 18: 10
      0
      Utopia of pure water. The Zapadenians will never agree to this. The meaning of their fascist ideology is to sit on a hump near the Donbass and for this they will shed a lot of their own and other people's blood.
  2. skylare
    skylare 27 June 2014 08: 25
    +8
    Similarly. I fully support the point of view of the author. The main thing now is to clean the territories of the new republics and establish normal life there. And let the inhabitants of the western regions feed Kiev.
  3. mig31
    mig31 27 June 2014 08: 25
    +3
    A trip to the capital is inevitable, as well as the death of Bendery, it remains for the little ones to wake up the rest of Ukraine ...
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 27 June 2014 08: 44
      +6
      Quote: mig31
      A trip to the capital is inevitable, as is the death of Bendery

      First with powerful economic levers! The "client" must mature itself.

      Quote: mig31
      wake up the rest of Ukraine ...

      They wake up in winter, cold and hunger will do their job!
      I fully agree with the author of the article. War is the last resort. THESE DO NOT HURRY IT. The economic decline of Ukraine itself is the key to solving the problem.
    2. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 27 June 2014 08: 47
      +3
      Quote: mig31
      A trip to the capital is inevitable, as well as the death of Bendery, it remains for the little ones to wake up the rest of Ukraine ...

      How to eat nothing will wake up! We are waiting for the fall ...
    3. Nahum
      Nahum 27 June 2014 08: 51
      +3
      The former Ukraine will "wake up" only from hunger and cold, which sneak up on it as a famous northern animal. When it really sucks, uk * ry will inevitably wake up. The fact that the "class mosk" will be guilty of everything again. There is no doubt about it. But a global question will arise: "and what a trab to do?" Yak tse sho? They gave me a ride! To the coveted fabulous "Europa"! There they were tired of waiting.
  4. Stypor23
    Stypor23 27 June 2014 08: 25
    +2
    Lviv will be more difficult to take than a city on the banks of the Dnieper
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 27 June 2014 08: 32
      +6
      Quote: Stypor23
      Lviv will be more difficult to take

      But is it necessary? Their path is Europa, so let them knock them out.
      1. Stypor23
        Stypor23 27 June 2014 08: 34
        0
        It is necessary, because it is the capital of fascism
        1. military
          military 27 June 2014 09: 16
          0
          Quote: Stypor23
          It is necessary, because it is the capital of fascism

          no need! ... we need a section of xoxlandia ... and at the same time this "capital" with the adjacent territories must absolutely go to the gayropeans ...
          believe me, they will like it ...
          1. Stypor23
            Stypor23 27 June 2014 09: 52
            0
            And after 70 years, everything will happen again.
            1. military
              military 27 June 2014 13: 44
              0
              Quote: Stypor23
              And after 70 years, everything will happen again.

              and who told you that gayropeans will tacitly tolerate xoxlons for 70 years? ... in a similar situation, all this Bandera trash will be cleaned up much earlier ... within the framework of the intra-European "ATO" ...
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 27 June 2014 09: 26
      +1
      Quote: Stypor23
      Lviv will be more difficult to take than a city on the banks of the Dnieper

      How to say. It is necessary to collect and disseminate more facts, so they themselves will climb the "power".
      For example, the soldiers of the third battalion of territorial defense of the Lviv region were given shoes that do not protect from moisture, damage their legs, and you can tear it with your hands. This was reported by the polemic correspondent.

      As the chairman of the commission Yaroslav the Wise noted, “The best guys in Lviv, as it turned out, were shod in boots that even a weak man can tear apart with his hands. These are the shoes that the soldiers were given when they arrived at the training ground, fell apart the next day. The material from which the shoes are made resembles cardboard. They are moisture permeable, ”the deputy was indignant. According to the Wise, these boots have an unnormal amount of nails that damage soldiers' legs. “But these nails do not just harm while walking: if they explode in a mine, they can injure other parts of the body,” he stressed.
      xxx
      And the "bosses"? "Soldiers of the 80th separate Highly mobile airborne brigade from the Lviv region and the 25th airmobile regiment (120 people in total) who guard the airport in Luhansk complain that their leader, Colonel Kopachinsky, has not been with them since April 13th. At the same time, on May 3, this man received an award from the mayor 10 thousand hryvnia per regiment. For what merits? On the Internet, too, there are only positive reviews about the activities of the regiment under his leadership. The soldiers told me that he is a good friend of Defense Minister Koval. "
      xxx
      We will not talk now about which side this brigade is on. But in general .... Actually, I can’t understand how the brigade commander commands his brigade ?! By phone or what?
      1. Stypor23
        Stypor23 27 June 2014 09: 54
        +1
        Yaroslav the Wise, however, is such a prince, he was in Russia.
      2. cucun
        cucun 27 June 2014 11: 23
        +1
        As is customary in Ukraine, through Facebook ...
    3. Varyag_1973
      Varyag_1973 27 June 2014 09: 52
      +1
      I think that you don’t need to take it! Firstly, these are big sacrifices, and secondly, why ?! Hai ide to the geyropu, there they will be shown how much a pound of fat!
  5. zloybond
    zloybond 27 June 2014 08: 26
    0
    I think it would be worthwhile to declare an ultimatum of impracticable action and oblige to go victory to Kiev at least. For example, you can ask the question a bit: If at least one launch of the RZSO is in the direction of the residents of New Russia, the war will end with the headquarters of the headquarters of New Russia in Kiev. Well, or in Washington. These fascist creatures still can not stop.
  6. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 27 June 2014 08: 27
    +1
    Something needs to be given a little, maybe something else to look after and give? In general, who conquered all this, for which the people gave their lives, so that later, at the whim of several inferior ones, they would be returned back.
  7. johnsnz
    johnsnz 27 June 2014 08: 27
    +4
    I agree, they will eat themselves. The only question is, do we (Russia, New Russia) need a dialogue with a poor, embittered, Nazi-inclined Ukraine? At this stage, they do not really dialogues! I think this will be a good lesson for them!
  8. Gagarin
    Gagarin 27 June 2014 08: 28
    0
    The western regions of Ukraine must return to their historical homelands.
    1. Paradoxov
      Paradoxov 27 June 2014 08: 34
      +2
      Quote: Gagarin
      The western regions of Ukraine must return to their historical homelands.


      Or maybe, together with the very name "Ukraine" and movoy in addition, to where all this was invented and named?;)
      Unfilled place on this map - Little Russia)
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      3. Vend
        Vend 27 June 2014 10: 28
        +1
        I do not agree with your card. Here's another inquisitive.
        1. Stypor23
          Stypor23 27 June 2014 11: 05
          0
          I agree, the historical territory of Ukraine is much smaller. ONLY the cards I do not see
          1. Vend
            Vend 27 June 2014 11: 24
            0
            Quote: Stypor23
            I agree, the historical territory of Ukraine is much smaller. ONLY the cards I do not see

            Sorry, I didn’t get it, for some reason. Although displayed request
            1. Stypor23
              Stypor23 27 June 2014 13: 04
              0
              For some reason I have the same trouble
    2. Kerzhak
      Kerzhak 27 June 2014 13: 39
      0
      Ukraine is what is painted over turquoise. And white is Little Russia.
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      2. Stypor23
        Stypor23 27 June 2014 15: 22
        0
        I understand, but what is called Little Russia in theory should be 3 times less
    3. atos_kin
      atos_kin 27 June 2014 17: 13
      0
      Have you thought about people? There is no need to "think" in regions.
  9. Revolver
    Revolver 27 June 2014 08: 31
    +2
    In the end, why the Crimea, the DNI and the LC are possible, but not Galicia and Volhynia?

    Because Crimea, the DNI and the LC have Russia. And what does Galicia and Volhynia have?
    If they vote for a reunion, Europe will take them to themselves, and the zapadents will again become Europeans
    And with whom to reunite? They didn’t surrender to present Austria, Hungary may need that piece of land with the Hungarian national minority, but not Svidomo. Poland? Again, they will not give up the land, and they will recall the Svidomites as they cut the Poles of Bandera. Well, where are they?
    1. death fashistam
      death fashistam 27 June 2014 09: 04
      +1
      to the heavenly hundred
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    3. Egoza
      Egoza 27 June 2014 09: 35
      0
      Quote: Nagan
      and Svidomit remember how Bandera Poles slaughtered. Well, where are they?

      They will remember and shut their mouths, but they will be happy - they are in Europe. So it will be a good option.
  10. Neighbor
    Neighbor 27 June 2014 08: 31
    +1
    [quote] They will become a problem of the budget and law enforcement agencies of Poland, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia. / quote] A good present, you will not say anything. Although, if it were possible geographically, it would be fairer to attach them to Fashington.
  11. shishakova
    shishakova 27 June 2014 08: 31
    +1
    Thanks General! That's right, you have to push economically. But for this it would be good for Little Russia to become independent in every sense. I agree with all your suggestions. For the victory of the Russian World, in which all nations are always good.
  12. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 27 June 2014 08: 33
    +1
    Economy is the main lever of pressure on Kiev. When the money runs out
    for the maintenance of the National Guard, for the army, for retirement and salaries, cookies from
    the State Department is not enough for everyone! There will be an effect of spiders in the bank ...
    When there is nothing to eat, nevermind beautiful words and promises. Kiev so far this
    do not understand. When he understands, Ukraine is already the whole, anarchy and Makhnovism will overwhelm him.
    Already beginning ... And to whom is it to rake?
  13. asar
    asar 27 June 2014 08: 34
    +1
    I agree with the author! Article "PLUS"!
  14. evilrussian
    evilrussian 27 June 2014 08: 34
    +2
    Yes, the lands of New Russia must be cleared of fascists .. Another question: is Kiev and other parts of Ukraine needed? It seems to me that this bunch of Natsik and lazy people we do not need.
    1. divangeneral
      27 June 2014 10: 26
      +1
      in the Russian Federation, of course, are not needed.
      and in the CU and the EAEU it is quite.
  15. Russ69
    Russ69 27 June 2014 08: 40
    +2
    First, to keep what is, and then dream of Kiev. Of course, the plans are Napoleonic, only the reality is usually different ...
  16. dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 27 June 2014 08: 41
    +3
    I will distract a little:
    Mom, let’s get a kitten? -No daughter, he will grow up and will s.rat in the corners! -Mom, and a tiger cub? -No, when he grows up, we will s. fellow That's how dill fucked right sector
  17. DMB87
    DMB87 27 June 2014 08: 41
    +20
    Putin in Lugansk:

  18. drop
    drop 27 June 2014 08: 45
    +4
    The third step was proposed a long time ago in Soviet times. We were not allowed to realize it in the Central Committee of the CPSU. How many torments and difficulties I personally had to endure when developing the V.I. Lenin NGO in Lviv. I have always considered this land not ours. His population gravitated towards Poland, it was not possible to reverse this. Let them go.
    It is a pity in this situation, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and Kiev. These are our cities that Gorbachev and Yeltsin gave to the Nazis. And our ancestors created them, and we developed, then defended, then developed again, I have the honor.
  19. arch_kate3
    arch_kate3 27 June 2014 08: 46
    0
    Too good for this to come true! This is "ideal", but what will happen in nature - we'll see ...
  20. k1995
    k1995 27 June 2014 08: 48
    0
    It seems that everything is correct, but the article does not indicate 3 power, fed and provided, which will do everything to ensure that Ukraine remains with the right-wingers
  21. emotion
    emotion 27 June 2014 08: 48
    -29
    strategist, bonaparte.
    take cues and lions. crank-man, buy yourself a pair of billiard cues and toy lions and calm down.
    It is already clear to everyone that there will be no new Russia. Russia Donetsk with Lugansk does not take itself, which means no prospects. You can, of course, while the summer run with automation instead of physical education, and then what? there are no prerequisites for the independent existence of such a state, neither economic nor ethnic. only in Ukraine or Russia.
    the militias are not particularly popular among the population, and soon they will be hated at all.
    my sister in throat also went to a pseudo-referendum, Russia thought they would take the Crimea to herself and throw it in money, she didn’t. now he says that, as soon as these militias surrendered, they dumped them in Russia so that peace would come.
    so who will go to Kiev there - shooters with Ossetian (almost wrote pies) volunteers. with all due respect to the Ossetians, even the Georgians would have beaten them off without the Russian "peacekeepers," few of them. where there is 40 mln Ukraine to defeat.
    1. ELECTRON
      ELECTRON 27 June 2014 08: 59
      +4
      You are the next Troll with your govnovbrosom!

      As for New Russia !!! Only forward! Work ahead is the hardest, but doable! Russia will definitely help! It remains to stop paying taxes to the junta and tightly block the border for 5 years or so and revive production!
      I wish Novorossia to survive and get stronger !!!! Glory to the Russian people !!!!!
    2. Stiletto
      Stiletto 27 June 2014 09: 05
      +6
      Quote: noliemotion
      my sister in throat also went to a pseudo-referendum, Russia thought they would take the Crimea to herself and throw it in money, she didn’t. now he says that, as soon as these militias surrendered, they dumped them in Russia so that peace would come.



      You know, dear, your sister could choose for herself a more humane way of suicide. To begin with, let him go to Saurovka from his throat, she will be glad to death there.
    3. Merlin
      Merlin 27 June 2014 09: 24
      0
      Some rely on Russia, others on the EU and the USA. Have you tried to live with your own mind?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 27 June 2014 09: 32
        0
        Quote: Gyrfalcon
        Have you tried to live with your own mind?

        In order to live your own mind you need to have it! And here is a deficit, you know!
      2. emotion
        emotion 27 June 2014 09: 35
        -1
        in order to live his own mind, he (the mind) must at least be available
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    4. Starfish
      Starfish 27 June 2014 10: 19
      +2
      "My sister in Gorlovka also went to a pseudo-referendum, I thought Russia would take the Crimea for itself and throw it up with money, didn't give it a ride. Now she says, as soon as possible, these militias would surrender, but they would have dumped them in Russia so that calm would come."

      I believe about your sister. kinship with you is felt. the same man with a capital letter H like you.
      1. emotion
        emotion 27 June 2014 13: 23
        -3
        no, mlyn, she, as a patriot of Novorossiya, whom she only found out yesterday, should hang up with grenades, get into the Ukrainian military unit and blow herself up together with the Nazis.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 27 June 2014 14: 12
          +2
          Quote: noliemotion
          no, mlyn, she, as a patriot of Novorossiya, whom she only found out yesterday, should hang up with grenades, get into the Ukrainian military unit and blow herself up together with the Nazis.

          they don’t feed the trolls, so I went to the farm ...
      2. kush62
        kush62 27 June 2014 13: 42
        +2
        "my sister in Gorlovka also went to a pseudo-referendum, I thought Russia would take the Crimea for itself and throw money over it,

        But here Kolomoisky promised more and she is for European integration.
        A neighbor said that Russia will add even more. She became for Russia. But Poroshenko promised a lot of chocolate, she is for Kiev. Treklyali masaskals name the final price to decide who to be ....
    5. svp67
      svp67 27 June 2014 12: 07
      +1
      How do you all seem to say it correctly, but somehow with a "smell", did someone spoil your mood today or did you set such a goal for yourself?
      Quote: noliemotion
      everyone already understands that there will be no new Russia
      But she ALREADY EXISTS ...
      Quote: noliemotion
      Russia Donetsk with Lugansk itself does not take
      Not going to pick up, not picking up Russia is not going to ... Russia is not at war with anyone now. To join - it is possible, but not as you imagine it - by the common tasks of development, by a common market, that is, economically integrate, but this does not require political accession, Novorossia may well be a politically independent state ...
      Quote: noliemotion
      so who will go to Kiev there - shooters with Ossetian
      already Ossetians, and why not Chechens? You really decide there ... who are the Chechens, Dagestanis or Ossetians? Or maybe all the same local?
      Quote: noliemotion
      with all due respect to the Ossetians, even the Georgians would have beaten them without Russian “peacekeepers”
      Why even? The Georgian army at that moment of the war was represented by very well-trained troops, they just "quickly ended" (only three brigades) and the mobilized went to the war, who did not shine with such training and motivation ... Conclusion - the army should not only be good prepared, but also have a good prepared reserve ... And I do not agree - the Ossetians, their contribution to the defeat of the Georgian army was not small, without their perseverance, we could not have retained the tunnel, but without it ...
  22. Mahmut
    Mahmut 27 June 2014 08: 55
    +1
    I think Galicia will not take place as a separate state. They will scatter across Europe like rats in the hold. And then they will completely degenerate as a nation.
  23. saag
    saag 27 June 2014 08: 57
    +2
    "How to take Kiev and Lviv"

    How did Marshal Konev
  24. Wolka
    Wolka 27 June 2014 08: 57
    +2
    a completely sober pragmatic view and assessment of the situation, the restoration of industry and the economy as a whole in the region is the paramount task of the Donetsk people with Lugansk residents today, Kiev is definitely not going anywhere, it’s a matter of time, and Lviv itself will disappear, nobody really needs it, it inheritance is like a drug in Albania, hear Europe, you gave birth to another drug traffic ... bully
  25. Rigla
    Rigla 27 June 2014 08: 58
    +2
    Yes, the ideal solution would be a return to the borders of 1939. All the infection is from western Ukraine. All this autonomy, lack of respect, geyropezatsiya and everything else is from western Ukraine. And the population of Ukraine within the borders until 1939, in the absence of anti-Russian propaganda, is absolutely normal. Only now, no Ukraine is needed any longer, we need (except the Crimean) Donbass, Novorossiysk and South-Western districts of the Russian Federation.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 June 2014 09: 42
      +2
      Quote: Rigla
      All the infection is from western Ukraine.

      I really hope that all those who literally "came in large numbers" to Kiev as the capital with memory will quickly rush home to their west in order to get to Europe in time. Otherwise, this infection will lurk in Kiev, like an undercrowded snake. And although Tsarev said that Novorossiya will not have a single capital. However, Tsarev stressed that he was not against Kiev becoming the main city of the CHP, notes UNN.
      “There will be no capital in the LPR yet, but if this issue were to be considered, then I think that Kiev would suit us” ...
      I do not agree with him in this regard. Kiev can remain a cultural and historical center-reserve. And let Donetsk be the capital. Militias deserve it!
      1. Varyag_1973
        Varyag_1973 27 June 2014 10: 23
        +1
        I think Kharkov is more suitable, especially since it was once the capital of Ukraine, though not for long!
      2. atos_kin
        atos_kin 27 June 2014 17: 25
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        Kiev can remain a cultural and historical center-reserve.


        Sorry, but the word "cultural" in the presence of living Maidanoids in Kiev, I consider it superfluous.
    2. Zverboy
      Zverboy 27 June 2014 15: 42
      +1
      Here you are wrong. Because the self-consciousness of Ukrainians in UKRAINE was formed densely and quite a long time ago, when using violent Russification with ignoring self-designation - Ukraine and Ukrainian, will only give rise to Russophobia and serve as a protest base. Therefore, the best way out is the full integration of Ukraine into the Customs and Eurasian Unions and subsequently into the Russian Empire ...))
  26. GrandsonUncle Vasi
    GrandsonUncle Vasi 27 June 2014 09: 05
    +4
    We must give due respect and recognize the strength of spirit and courage to those guys in New Russia !!! I sincerely bow my head to YOU ​​men !!!
    I apologize for the taftologia, but fucking kolopiz ... ytsy, parashukins, lyazhkins and others like the rest of the evil spirits, learn the materiel and history of Russia! Napoleon said, "An army of lions ruled by a ram will always lose to an army of rams ruled by a lion!"
    Army of Novorossiya, not rams, but at the head is a true "Lion"!
    And you have liquid rams-real sheep and are trying to control a herd of sheep!
    Strength and spirit of fighting you guys of New Russia !!!
  27. sgazeev
    sgazeev 27 June 2014 09: 05
    +1
    A public campaign to boycott Russian goods in Ukraine has yielded first results. In Kiev, sales of Russian consumer goods fell by 20%, in the northern regions of Ukraine - by 10%, and in general in the Ukrainian regions - by 8%, according to data from GfK Ukraine. True, the success of the action can be called rather political: the boycott does no real harm to Russian business. After the signing of the association with the EU, it will “safely” bend itself. Russia warned that free, duty-free trade will end on the border with Russia. They will have to buy aspen for production of stakes, followed by hammering into a dying economy. The price will correspond to the price of gas at $ 385 per cubic meter. am
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 June 2014 09: 45
      0
      Quote: sgazeev
      Public campaign to boycott Russian goods in Ukraine yields first results

      Oh cunning, gentlemen! First you need to determine how many of those goods were !!!! Indeed, they pointedly stopped importing goods from the Russian Federation. And then count!
  28. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 27 June 2014 09: 08
    +2
    The question, of course, is an interesting one, and who and for what to hate, I would be careful not to find fault with the militia! And that the militia started the slaughter in the South-East, did they burn people in Odessa, crushed Mariupol with armored vehicles? Yes, thanks to Strelkov and his guys in the Donbass, ethnic cleansing and the actual extermination of Russians was prevented! Something I do not remember a single statement by I.I. Strelkov and other leaders of the DPR and LPR about "drang nakh Kiev" and we should not drag it into normal people, and you are Mr. NOLEMOTSY or a provocateur or an ordinary TROLL! And to voice that "... while the summer is running around with guns instead of physical education" is just stupidity and "dense" political illiteracy! A single governing body of the new Federation has already been created, the Constitution has been adopted, the Army and other institutions of power are being formed, the unity of the people of the DPR and LPR is strengthening in the new state! And the most important thing is the determination to fight to the last against the punishers! Your cause is just! You will win! Long live the heroic people of Novorossia!
    1. emotion
      emotion 27 June 2014 09: 30
      -17
      firstly, there is no southeast, only one east remains. let's call a spade a spade.
      secondly, everything would be calm in the Donbas, without rifle and people's governors with a vocabulary of 30 words, there would be no National Guard, tanks, etc. madhouse, but why?
      thirdly, there is no reason to fight until the last Donbass or Lugansk (no matter how you would like to), in Kiev, only the power has changed, not Hitler came, not Martians attacked. why die? for living in Russia - it’s easier to move to living in new Russia - a dubious pleasure, just not to live in Ukraine - again it’s easier to move to another country.
      cool down and look at the situation with a cold head and you will realize that this circus has no future.
      1. Varyag_1973
        Varyag_1973 27 June 2014 10: 33
        +3
        It would be more correct to say that the circus called Ukraine has no future! And there is no need to substitute concepts, Kiev dug itself a grave with its own hands called "association with the EU and IMF loan", respectively, there is the East and very soon the South will join it!
      2. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 27 June 2014 14: 09
        0
        The answer to the goodness of NOLEMOTIONS: ... And then Ostap suffered ... Do you even think about what you write? The land of Donbass is flooded with the blood of civilians, the impostors seized power in Ukraine, the president is appointed by the United States and promises to pass the entire population of Donbass through "filtration camps" (which are already being built by the Turks) and to resettle the disaffected (who will not be killed by the Nazis) to the central and western regions, and the liberated territory of Donbass will be given (already sold) to American companies for the extraction of shale gas, so it is really a dubious pleasure to live in such a state. Donbass will live without the Kiev junta, but the Kiev rulers will not be able to! But to speak out about the level of intelligence of I.I. Strelkov I was careful in your place, this is a very educated and well-mannered person (unlike you)! Troll further and it will be reckoned for you ... And then change the flag to a ready zhovto-blakitny one!
        1. emotion
          emotion 27 June 2014 19: 36
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          read carefully:
          People’s Governors with a vocabulary of 30 words

          all these lips and Ponomarev hardly choose words, didn’t you think so?

          the blood of citizens is, of course, flooded in places. and what now to rest against the horn and bring down people to the point of victory until the living end on some side?

          you can, of course, believe in the impending deportation of several million people to the Ukrainian "Siberia" - the central and western regions, how can you believe in vampires and werewolves, but you can somehow filter these horror stories.

          if in the Donbass instead of coal they start to produce gas, what's wrong with that? what are the Americans going to do, not us?

          I’m so Murmansk, why should I change the flag? except that the flag of the Lapland People's Republic (LNR2) lol
      3. Svist
        Svist 27 June 2014 18: 08
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        Quote: noliemotion
        cool down and look at the situation with a cold head and you will realize that this circus has no future.

        Well, what would you suggest in this situation? Criticism is one thing, and solving a problem is another. What steps do you think you need to take out of the crisis?
        1. emotion
          emotion 28 June 2014 05: 47
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          here it is necessary to think, so many things have already been heaped up and said everything that you need to get out of this situation very carefully so as not to aggravate with wrong actions.
          from what’s on the surface, it’s:
          - Russia may stop opposing the association of Ukraine with the EU,
          - Ukraine can declare its military non-aligned status, thereby removing fears of joining NATO and the deployment of offensive weapons of the bloc on its territory,
          - the zealots, all sorts of beards and riflemen, collect manat and go home, because Russia urges them, so there are no options to disobey, recommends returning to their homeland,
          - Ukraine withdraws from the rebel regions the National Guard and its most odious divisions,
          - The Russian language is given the status of regional in a number of areas, i.e. clerical work within these regions is allowed in Russian, as well as in Ukrainian, or necessarily immediately in 2 languages, regional media of these regions have the right to broadcast in Russian as well as in Ukrainian, all-Ukrainian only in Ukrainian. similar status is given to Hungarian, Romanian, Polish in the respective regions,
          - the DNI and LNR dissolve themselves and elections are immediately held in local government, in which local rebel leaders with Ukrainian passports (they didn’t throw them out, I'm sure of it) participate, because there are no claims from the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies to them, so they can legalize their power aspirations, and time will tell how they can cope with the leadership of the regions. the elections are held under the supervision of observers from the OSCE and the CIS countries,
          - The Ukrainian authorities take upon themselves the payment of compensation to families who have lost their breadwinner, housing, etc., as well as the restoration of the destroyed infrastructure, creditors to help them.
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    3. kush62
      kush62 27 June 2014 13: 48
      +1
      and you are Mr. NOLEMOTION or a provocateur or an ordinary TROLL!

      For a kilometer you can see two in one. Or to such a degree fooled that it carries such nonsense: in Kiev, only the power has changed, not Hitler came, not Martians attacked. why die?

      Yes, Hitler is a good guy compared to the fascist right-wingers.
      1. emotion
        emotion 27 June 2014 19: 39
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        oh how ?!
        so let's zafigachim them with a nuclear bomb, save humanity from the fascist plague
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 28 June 2014 07: 06
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          They have already explained to you that you are not the one you pretend to be, so you don't have to cling to Russia and the Russians. Hang up your flag and go to the "banderlog", and hang noodles on your ears will be your "Svidomo." but in Ukraine, besides Bandera, there are still normal people, though they have been fooled by the junta, so when they see their eyes, "zafigchat" so that it will not seem a little. And the crisis seems to have begun to quietly be resolved without yelling people like you. They have already reported that Benya Bablomoisky drove to Geneva, or else there will be! As for the fascist plague, you can be sure that this "human garbage" will soon be cleaned all over Ukraine. No one has ever considered the murderers of women and children people!
  29. Cheldon
    Cheldon 27 June 2014 09: 16
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    Not so simple. Like it or not, but Ukrainians are former Russians. I stayed with the hostess, saying that the Poles gave a cow for the transition to Catholicism. In Soviet times, Ukrainians inspired their own exclusivity. Remember the movies about the war. The main characters are Ukrainian and Georgian. We ourselves gave birth to what we now have.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 27 June 2014 14: 31
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      Well, what is not in the films about the war: there are three Poles, a Georgian (by the way, Saakashvili) and a dog, with the support of the Soviet Army, took Berlin and defeated Nazi Germany. And after the war, Georgia was recognized as the most affected by Nazi aggression (although the losses made up, in short, every fourth was killed. But this is not the point of Hitler's ridge was broken by the whole world, but Russia lost most of all! It's just that everything was adjusted to the concept of "Friendship of peoples" and therefore it was not the Bandera police battalion that was called the executioners of Khatyn, but the Germans from the SS (who themselves horrified at the atrocities of the Bandera)!
  30. Normal
    Normal 27 June 2014 09: 25
    +1
    But if yes, if only mushrooms had grown in your mouth ...
    Unfortunately, the author misses such problems as the unconditional support of Kiev by the West (no one has closed Ukraine’s project as Ukraine and financing of the pro-Western top of Ukraine will continue) and the economic futility of New Russia in the framework of political independence (Russia does not need coal, and Ukraine will not be interested in implementing it Donbass coal).
    It is naive to hope that poverty will make Ukrainians turn away from Westernism and rush into Russia's arms. Hungary and Bulgaria collapsed into poverty (relative to the times of the USSR), but no one really twitches there.
    I do not see (at least for now) the special successes of Novorossia, both in relation to state-building and in the field of military successes. The heroic defense of Slavyansk is not the liberation of the cities of the South - East controlled by Kiev.
  31. Starmos
    Starmos 27 June 2014 09: 29
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    The plan is not bad. There is one big BUT - who will answer with his head (or what they have instead of it) for what has been going on for six months already? Who will answer ??? For the despaired Kiev, for the destroyed cities and lives, for the death of thousands of people, for the horror of genocide ??? WHO WILL ANSWER ???
    That's when the Court will take place, when the bastards will carry the well-deserved Kara, only then all those who survive, those who want to go west - let them clean, but for a start - let them compensate all the damage, let everything that their sons destroyed ...
  32. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 27 June 2014 09: 37
    +1
    In general, the author voiced the basics - all this has long been known and clear, but only the last 23 years have not been taken into account by our foreign policy, and now it’s like opening the old door — the hinges are rusted, but if you lubricate it, it's better than breaking it.
  33. HAM
    HAM 27 June 2014 09: 47
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    I am tormented by vague doubts - no Evropa will take such beautiful ones around its neck. And you can promise and "associate" for years. Who needs idlers who only know how to rob the defenseless and grab what lies !?
  34. bmv04636
    bmv04636 27 June 2014 09: 49
    +1
    we already fed them dill with money, because such dill takes money and right there they spit on you a tough economic blockade; cold and hunger will only enlighten the Svidomo dill parashinoids of the maydauns; everything else is useless
  35. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 27 June 2014 09: 49
    +2
    Americans for about 20 years trained the Nazis in Ukraine.
    But with their current actions, the Americans are also preparing PROSSORISKY forces.
    Just need to organize them!
    This is where Russia's help becomes invaluable.
    Themselves for a long time and tediously will organize structures for the organization and conduct of the REBELLION.

    I just want to draw attention to the fact that Ukraine is part of the Americans plan.
    Russia should FULLY support forces in the United States and NATO to destabilize and break up these entities.
    Until the current government falls in the USA, Russia cannot be calm !!! am
    hi
  36. Iline
    Iline 27 June 2014 10: 03
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    It will be very important to help hold rallies not so much for political reasons (referendum) as for socio-economic ones.

    Help with what? A couple of cookies from the States were enough for the Maidowns, they were ready to shout: "America is behind us!" You can't get off with cookies here. Again the money of Russian taxpayers?
    1. divangeneral
      27 June 2014 10: 46
      +1
      help security
      for example, in Kharkov, such a referendum is possible now, but there the whole region is occupied by the National Guard.
      if you fight, they’ll just kill you.
      need help by introducing tanks and an army, knocking out Natsik
  37. Balamyt
    Balamyt 27 June 2014 10: 06
    +1
    Quote: PesnyaDV
    Until the current government falls in the USA, Russia cannot be calm !!!

    And where is the confidence that subsequent power will be less aggressive against Russia ?? With the strengthening of Russia, the growth of its influence throughout the world, anti-Russian sentiments will become increasingly heated! Nobody needs a strong Russia! And we must always remember this!
  38. bitevka
    bitevka 27 June 2014 10: 23
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    Pa-tsiki Hoh-landii, you do not need to get angry,
    Best of kindness make peace again
    Wild fascist do not scare the light,
    Except as Russian, there are NO brothers closer ....
  39. Sanglier
    Sanglier 27 June 2014 10: 30
    +1
    Viktor Aksenov has a novel "The Island of Crimea". So in this novel you can see an example of building a state in a single region of a once huge empire. Very, I would say, instructive. So, without political overtones.
  40. goose
    goose 27 June 2014 10: 47
    +1
    Quote: Rigla
    Yes, the ideal solution would be a return to the borders of 1939. All the infection is from western Ukraine. All this autonomy, lack of respect, geyropezatsiya and everything else is from western Ukraine. And the population of Ukraine within the borders until 1939, in the absence of anti-Russian propaganda, is absolutely normal. Only now, no Ukraine is needed any longer, we need (except the Crimean) Donbass, Novorossiysk and South-Western districts of the Russian Federation.

    Sorry, from Western what? Ukraine is not the name of the state, but a historical geographical place, in no case an indicator of nationality. This indicator Grushevsky invented, read the opinion of his predecessors and contemporaries - Germans, Poles, Austrians, Lithuanians, and the same Russian. For them, such a nation and people never existed. For them, Russians always lived in Ukraine of the Russian Empire, and they spoke Russian. There is also evidence of classics that no one could understand the speech of Western Ukrainians in Kiev in the 18th century. Only when the goings in the 18-19th century from the western provinces migrated there, the movement began to appear in Kiev a little. But in the USSR the real relocation was going on, especially for students. There was no place to work and study, except for Lviv in the West, everyone went to Kiev, and remained there.
    I ride in WOT: there are solid SALA Ukraine and templates from the TV. Terribly rejoiced when Russia tied with Algeria. That's when the plumbers were needed. The fecal collector burst completely.
  41. ajhevxfyby
    ajhevxfyby 27 June 2014 11: 00
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    Great article! +
  42. Petrik66
    Petrik66 27 June 2014 11: 21
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    Yes, they do not need the EU leadership on their own. They need: sales markets, resources, a springboard against the Russian Federation. And by themselves - don’t be a nat and don’t nat for money. They also don’t need the Poles — to indulge in spite of Russia — one thing, but to get millions of gopniks around their neck — they will compete with the Polish sewage trucks in England and France. The basis of power in Ukraine is to cut the budget, and then there will be nothing to saw, another Moldavia will appear in the outskirts of Europe.
    In short - too good to be true.
  43. papa-billy
    papa-billy 27 June 2014 11: 27
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    I agree with the author of the article, if only the mind does not refuse to implement.
  44. X Y Z
    X Y Z 27 June 2014 11: 30
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    There is no money, cold, hunger - these are all the right tools, but they do not abolish the task of organizing agitation and looting the population. The Novorossiya channel, proposed by the author, is a move in the right direction, but this is not enough. We need urgent measures and personnel to conduct information warfare. We need new, breakthrough technologies. If a person only looks blissfully into the sky at all the numbers and proofs and constantly repeats - "Europe will give everything", it is absolutely useless to prove something logically, other forms and methods of work are needed. And there are millions of them.
  45. net abortion
    net abortion 27 June 2014 11: 31
    +2
    Today's summary.
    The people's militia is getting stronger!


    According to information received from a resident of Seversk
    yesterday on the bridge across the Seversky Donets succeeded
    break through a large number of armed
    Army forces of New Russia. As part of the avant-garde
    - at least two tanks and several armored personnel carriers.

    That's what true Poroshenko reports about this
    Press Service of VK Nastup:
    де
    "According to the chairman of VK Nastup Ruslan Sekela,
    Seversk residents report
    that militants walked around the city calling for residents
    tomorrow do not leave the house and do not open
    shops and enterprises. Residents fear
    that the separatists are planning an assault on parts of the National Guard,
    which are located in Krasny Liman and Yampol ".

    Translated into Russian - the situation in the region may
    today will change dramatically
    and not in favor of the Nazis.

    ...
  46. dimasialyt
    dimasialyt 27 June 2014 11: 32
    +1
    this circus has no future. In this circus, people went to bed - a lot. On both sides ... And your clown "gee-gee" has already set my teeth on edge! I've been reading the site for a couple of years already, but there was never such a number of poor students per 1 sq. Cm!
  47. siberalt
    siberalt 27 June 2014 11: 34
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    Ukrainians still believe that there are almost 50 million of them. But according to some sources, about 30 live there now, together with Donbass. And then they will scatter. And about the recognition of the Union - the question is premature. Until autumn, no discussion. In addition, Ukraine is entering an association with the EU, and other areas will still be determined with the choice of their statehood. The main thing will start with the autumn "aggravation". Full respect to Donbass!
  48. Serg7281
    Serg7281 27 June 2014 11: 41
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    It turns out that the "couch generals" do not always talk nonsense, sometimes there are decent ideas. I agree with the author of the article in almost everything.
  49. melnik
    melnik 27 June 2014 11: 48
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    Straight Thomas Mann! As one Odessa citizen said, oil painting.
  50. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 27 June 2014 11: 59
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    It would not be with zapadentsy, but historically necessary to restore the border of the beginning of the last century along the Dnieper!