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The latest developments of the Dozor-B armored car and the Fort assault rifle did not reach the Ukrainian military

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In early June, at the Chuguev polygon (Kharkiv region), the then acting president of Ukraine, Oleksandr Turchynov, was shown an armored car, Dozor-B, the brainchild of the Kharkiv mechanical engineering design bureau in Kharkiv. A. A. Morozova. This armored vehicle is much smaller and more maneuverable than armored personnel carriers and surpasses them in speed, which makes it possible to quickly move mobile groups to hot spots. And, most importantly, unlike their counterparts, the same American Hummer, not to mention the Russian "Tigre" (many still remember how this miracle of the Russian car industry could not overcome the curb in the Crimea), "Dozor-B" has quite serious armament.

Immediately after the demonstration of the car, Alexander Turchinov announced that very soon the 200 of the new “Dozorov-B” would arrive in military units of Ukraine, including the National Guard.

How did the Ukrainian security officials hit the new “Dozor-B”, “FACTS” tried to find out from the weapons expert, an employee of one of the defense enterprises Vladimir (at the request of the interlocutor changed the name).

- I just want to warn you: “Dozor-B” is not a novelty, it was created in 2005 year. But, unfortunately, like much in our country, this development of Ukrainian designers did not get into military units. Moreover, without waiting for serial production, she was successfully “buried,” says Vladimir. - Nevertheless, the characteristics embedded in this car still meet all modern requirements. Not without reason, in the year 2013, Poland acquired a license to manufacture Dozorov under the name Oncilla.

- What is the difference between our armored car from world analogues?

- “Dozor-B” is a universal high-quality combat unit that can be a good help for military personnel, especially in combat zones. In particular, it provides for all possible systems of crew protection (three people. - Auth.), And airborne troops (eight people. - Auth.). The body of the armored car is made of heavy-duty steel that protects from both shots and impact. weapons mass destruction. The bottom of the "Dozor-B" has a special cylindrical shape that allows you to protect people from the explosion of mines. Glass at the car, too, armored. A relief painting makes the armored cars almost invisible at a distance of already 300 meters.

The latest developments of the Dozor-B armored car and the Fort assault rifle did not reach the Ukrainian military

* Dozor-B is equipped with a remote-controlled anti-aircraft gun capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to two kilometers.
In addition, “Dozor-B”, in contrast to the same Russian “Tigers”, is equipped with a filter-ventilation unit capable of purifying the air entering the compartments from toxic substances, biological aerosols, and even radioactive dust. In addition, it provides exhaust of powder gases from the cabin with the active firing by the crew of the car.


- Speaking of fire ... What is in service with our "Watch"?

- It is equipped, for example, with an anti-aircraft machine-gun unit with 450 ammunition ammunition of millimeter 12,7 caliber (three 150 ammo cartridges. - Auth.), Which allows to hit targets at a distance of up to two kilometers. Moreover, the periscope sight of the “anti-aircraft guns” saves the shooter from having to sit in the turret of the Patrol — he can fire, controlling the installation remotely. Moreover, the firing sector is practically unlimited: horizontally, the fire is fired at all 360 degrees, and vertically the installation shaft can be raised at an angle of almost 70 degrees. In addition, the armored car has a 30-mm automatic grenade launcher KBA-117 also Ukrainian development. In accuracy and accuracy, it is not inferior to its Russian counterpart AGS-17 "Flame".

- And the engines that allow the “Watch” to maneuver perfectly on the roads and develop high speed on a hard surface, Ukrainian?

- Unfortunately not. As power plants of an armored vehicle, Iveco or Deutz turbocharged diesel engines are used. They allow you to develop cruising speeds up to 120 kilometers per hour. And without refueling, the Dozor-B passes 700 kilometers. For the convenience of driving this armored car, which has a full and permanent drive, can be equipped with not only manual, but also automatic transmission. As special equipment there is a centralized tire inflation system that allows you to change the pressure in the wheels depending on road conditions, and a winch designed for self-pulling stuck armored cars or “saving” other cars whose mass does not exceed its own - 6,3 tons.

“Literally two years ago, I had to hold FORT-221, the Ukrainian counterpart of the Israeli TAR-21 assault rifle, which completely supplanted the outdated Galel (which, it is believed, was a copy of AK-74) in the Israeli army. Our development was quite easy, compact and easy to use "machine". But, as far as I know, this project, as in due time and “Watch”, “was buried”. Maybe it should also be shown to the leadership of the country, so that our security forces will have modern small arms?

- It would be great. After all, in local clashes, an effective fighter, especially a Special Forces soldier, must, in terms of armament, combine the capabilities of a whole rifle platoon. Unfortunately, the AK-74, which is now provided by the Ukrainian army, does not meet these requirements. Therefore, many fighters have to “tune” their weapons on their own, in order to at least somehow improve them. Meanwhile, at Vinnitsa plant "FORT" even in 2008, a test batch of 200-series assault rifles (analog TAR-21) with a caliber 5,56 cartridge millimeter and a range of 500 meters was developed and released. The most important advantage of the "FORT-224" is that for local collisions, you can equip these rifles with a barrel for an 9-mm pistol cartridge.



A constructive feature of FORT is the “fashionable” to-date type of “bull-pap” layout: the store is located behind the fire control knob, which significantly reduced the size of the weapon without shortening the barrel (the total length of FORT 645 millimeters, but now used AKS -74 - 943 mm. - Auth.). In addition, thanks to the body of impact-resistant steel-reinforced plastic, it was possible to significantly reduce weight. The volume of the store is the same as that of the Kalashnikov, 30 cartridges. Thus, the FORT-221 you mentioned is a really light and compact weapon, one of the best in its class.

- What else, besides lightness and compactness, does “FORT” differ from the Kalashnikov assault rifle that has proven itself in more than one military conflict?

- High firing accuracy. This was possible due to the fact that the assault rifle butt is flush with the barrel. Another advantage of "FORT" is the location of the rear center of gravity close to the body of the shooter, which allows you to conveniently not only hold the weapon while moving, but also take aim. Contributes to the accuracy of shooting and the fact that the sight system is attached directly to the barrel of the rifle. Moreover, the "FORT" can be equipped with a tactical flashlight, laser designator, telescopic sight and night vision device.

And with all this, it is difficult to say whether the security forces will want to move to FORT assault rifles. Indeed, in the warehouses there are still hundreds of thousands of still preserved Kalashnikovs.
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  1. evilrussian
    evilrussian 26 June 2014 07: 57
    +9

    The latest development of an armored car
    Dozor-B and assault rifle
    "Fort" before the Ukrainian military did not
    are welcome

    And what money will they build for the army? The treasury is empty, there are only mice.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 26 June 2014 08: 18
      +5
      Quote: evilrussian
      The treasury is empty, there are only mice.

      And they hanged themselves ...
      1. Andof odessa
        Andof odessa 26 June 2014 13: 40
        +7
        don’t have our mice traveling with the bins of the motherland. they have long enjoyed Swiss cheese or coconut milk in the Cayman Islands
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 June 2014 08: 20
      +3
      Quote: evilrussian

      And what money will they build for the army? The treasury is empty, there are only mice.

      They will receive a loan from the IMF, raise taxes, reduce salaries and pensions and voila, new cars for the army
      1. scout
        scout 26 June 2014 13: 23
        +2
        The IMF will give out a loan only for the purchase of US weapons))) why do ukram develop the defense industry?
    3. mamont5
      mamont5 26 June 2014 09: 59
      0
      Quote: evilrussian
      And what money will they build for the army? The treasury is empty, there are only mice.


      They will catch mice, remove and sell skins. Meat in the bins of the motherland.
    4. Cherdak
      Cherdak 26 June 2014 12: 02
      +10
      Quote: evilrussian
      not to mention the Russian "Tiger" (many still remember how this miracle of the Russian automobile industry could not overcome the edge in the Crimea)


      The video speaks more about the squint of the driver and the maliciousness of onlookers than about the Tiger’s shortcomings
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 26 June 2014 12: 07
        +6


        It’s quite a device
        1. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 26 June 2014 14: 01
          +1
          Something the driver on Iveco did not want to ride on the main obstacles
      2. dim242
        dim242 26 June 2014 12: 31
        +3
        I agree with what here Tiger if drove
      3. MAGGNUM
        MAGGNUM 26 June 2014 13: 02
        +1
        Yes, a lot depends on the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat, it can be seen that the gasket leaks slightly. And the device is excellent, and in this article it’s just an advertisement for its cars, which includes the anti-advertising of our Tigers. Only for some reason, our Tigers are already in the series and are bought by other states, as well, and the Khokhlyat sub-car has not yet been launched. We are already launching a new Wolf car, while Ukrainians are marking time. And then there is the Lynx and the Bear.
      4. bootlegger
        bootlegger 26 June 2014 14: 28
        +3
        The driver simply did not want to turn the curb. He tried to drive out carefully and of course could press the gas so that the curb would fly into the wall ...
      5. Steel loli
        Steel loli 26 June 2014 19: 00
        -7
        Excuse me, but there’s a 10 cm video clip. And not directly standing, but inclined to the road - read just a bump. And always blaming technical shit on someone, this is a sign of regression. It's like playing a question - an answer with a known result.

        Question: Why in Russia do cars look like shit and are designed like shit?
        Answer: Because you have a shitty aesthetic taste and your hands are crooked for repair. And you are also a liberal and a traitor to the Motherland!

        Question: why the newest Russian military all-terrain vehicle cannot enter the road, cannot move a bump of 10 cm and breaks into a pancake when it collides with passenger transport?

        Answer: because in the Russian army drivers are shit, and in Crimea the roads are too bad for Russian cars.
      6. zvo
        zvo 26 June 2014 19: 57
        +2
        As for me, the driver simply didn’t want to turn the old curb inside out + notice that on the opposite side of the road there are cars in a row. So there was a chance to give Gazk, as at the training ground, and to demolish the heel or two of foreign cars.

        What can I say, polite people - they drive carefully. Moreover, on their own roads)
      7. Shurik34RF
        Shurik34RF 26 June 2014 20: 15
        0
        Some kind of loshara driving.
    5. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 26 June 2014 19: 44
      0
      Article is nonsense! The author is inadequate!
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    7. APASUS
      APASUS 26 June 2014 20: 31
      0
      Quote: evilrussian
      And what money will they build for the army? The treasury is empty, there are only mice.

      In addition to resolving the issue of money, the issue of mass production has not been resolved at all.
      These are all piece samples, who invested in mass production?
  2. Artyom
    Artyom 26 June 2014 08: 02
    +2
    at the expense of the armored car, I don't even know how to treat them now? After using old anti-tank rifles and machine guns of the "court" type! Are burning winked Mama Do not Cry!
    1. ispaniard
      ispaniard 26 June 2014 08: 09
      +10
      Lieutenant Colonel, 12mm machine gun is not called "court" ... But "Kord", re-read your text before publishing it.
      1. Letun
        Letun 26 June 2014 08: 58
        +4
        Lt. Col. probably a tennis player lol
      2. Jin
        Jin 26 June 2014 09: 20
        +5
        Quote: ispaniard
        Lieutenant Colonel, 12mm machine gun is not called "court" ... But "Kord",


        Comrade, General of the Army, then not 12mm, but 12,7mm heavy machine gun "Kord" ... Best regards hi
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    3. Letun
      Letun 26 June 2014 08: 48
      +9
      The phrase about "a cruising speed of 120 km / h killed laughing not an armored car, but a plane lol
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 26 June 2014 10: 21
      0
      It is good, especially for the militias, that this weapon did not reach the Ukrainian military.
      1. Jin
        Jin 26 June 2014 10: 51
        +2
        By the way, judging by the photo, the "remote control" of the machine gun, it doesn't smell !!! The usual, banal sunroof ...
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    6. Basarev
      Basarev 26 June 2014 11: 26
      +2
      In general, I was struck by pride about the superiority of the Ukrainian grenade launcher over the AGS-17. And at the same time it seems that the Ukrainians do not know about the AGS-30 grenade launcher already in service with the Russian army. A machine gun looks like a very old NSVT, while ours switched to CORD. So all the ambition is in vain - a lag in the armory for an entire generation - this is more than serious.
      1. salamandra2826
        salamandra2826 26 June 2014 19: 08
        0
        Does the ukgranatomet have combat experience? And how many of his spirits failed?
    7. yushch
      yushch 26 June 2014 12: 06
      +4
      The complete incompetence of the people who concocted this article is simply striking.
      All equipment is in service with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but like other countries it has protection against WMD and this is a prerequisite for the military. At the expense of rifles, bullpup, shmull-mum, disputes can be infinite. However, the axiom is that the simpler the gun the more reliable that confirmed by practice. For AK, the maximum tuning is a more convenient butt and holographic sight and the ability to mount a tactical flashlight. Everything else is for playing airsoft.
    8. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 26 June 2014 13: 40
      0
      Any pepelats with less armor than the tank is flashed with a heavy machine gun. On the Tiger there is not enough module on top
  3. Andrey Ulyanovsky
    Andrey Ulyanovsky 26 June 2014 08: 03
    +7
    Forget the opinion of specialists from Novorossia to ask them to fight with this captured equipment.
  4. nicollider
    nicollider 26 June 2014 08: 04
    +3
    Gramadyans, tse peremoga. Naturally. Yes
  5. Corsair
    Corsair 26 June 2014 08: 05
    +9
    Quote: article title
    The latest developments of the Dozor-B armored car and the Fort assault rifle did not reach the Ukrainian military

    But the other most recent development of Ukrainian gunsmiths finally made its way lol ...
    Ukrainian border guards received new heavy equipment. The Nikolaev armored plant transferred to the state border service a mobile checkpoint created on the basis of the armored reconnaissance and patrol vehicle BRDM-2. It is alleged that it was created at the expense of the labor collective and farmers.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 June 2014 08: 23
      +11
      Quote: Corsair
      But the other most recent development of Ukrainian gunsmiths finally made its way

      And that’s a normal topic. Economy on the engine and wheels, the driver is also not needed. And you can bury in this crap right away, also saving on coffins laughing
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 26 June 2014 08: 25
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what a normal topic. Economy on the engine and wheels

        So the wheels are there! laughing Mobile hearse !!! - it's cool! belay
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 26 June 2014 09: 01
          0
          Well so, FOUR instead of EIGHT, already saving!
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 26 June 2014 08: 43
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . And you can bury in this crap right away, also saving on coffins

        Seeing this, without exaggeration, "wunderwaffe", the first thought was: "A GRIN on wheels" ...
        And impressions from "first sight" are (as a rule) very accurate ...
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 26 June 2014 11: 28
          0
          And also similar to the Latin American tank of the Tortug of the thirties.
      3. sinukvl
        sinukvl 26 June 2014 09: 12
        +1
        This is a prodigy! lol
      4. Jin
        Jin 26 June 2014 09: 24
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        And that’s a normal topic. Economy on the engine and wheels, the driver is also not needed. And you can bury in this crap right away, also saving on coffins


        Aha laughing While I was reading, I was still thinking that so many "ge" was pouring on "Tiger" and AK ... until I saw the author's name ...
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 26 June 2014 08: 35
      0
      Well the "fort" has the same disadvantages as the "Tavor" - delays, low range.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 26 June 2014 09: 46
        +1
        Quote: mirag2
        Well the "fort" has the same disadvantages as the "Tavor" - delays, low range.

        No need to compose.
        The Tavor has no delays, and it does not wedge more often than the AK, the mechanism in it is as simple as a dumbbell, there are fewer parts than in the Kalash, and there are no such small parts as in the M-16. 99% of failures are due to low-quality ammunition (Turkish for example).



        And the range of targeted shooting depends on the modification, 500m - this is at the short circuit (analogue of M-4 or AKSU, where he surpasses them by head)
        The long-barreled Tavor hits farther than the AK-74, and is no less accurate than the M-16. And in the same turn, they are better in ergonomics, balance and the speed of transfer of fire between targets. (I shot all of them, so I can vouch)


        "X-95" with an interchangeable set of barrels:



        "MTAR-21" ultrashort (trunk 330mm):


        "CTAR-21" short (trunk 380mm):


        "TAR-21" long (barrel 460mm, AK-74 - 415 mm, for comparison):


        "STAR-21" sniper (weighted barrel, high-power cartridges):
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 26 June 2014 11: 32
          +2
          But we have the A-91 under powerful cartridges of 7.62x39 caliber. Very noble machine. Those who shot very positive reviews. And there is also the world's first fully two-machine automatic telephone exchange.
        2. Rider
          Rider 26 June 2014 13: 41
          -1
          There is no better Kalash submachine gun. Tested in combat from and to.
    3. spech
      spech 26 June 2014 08: 59
      +2
      It is alleged that it was created at the expense of the labor collective and farmers.

      if you don’t pay your salary, then you can make 2 pcs request
    4. GRAY
      GRAY 26 June 2014 10: 18
      0
      Quote: Corsair
      mobile checkpoint

      Yes, add horse traction and Makhno’s dream will come true.
  6. Horst78
    Horst78 26 June 2014 08: 05
    +8
    Article is nonsense.
    And, most importantly, unlike their counterparts, the same American Hummer, not to mention the Russian Tiger (many still remember how this miracle of the Russian automobile industry could not overcome the edge in Crimea), Dozor-B It has rather serious weapons.
    It is equipped, for example, with an anti-aircraft machine-gun mount with an ammunition load in 450 cartridges of 12,7 millimeter caliber (three tapes per 150 cartridges. - Aut.), Which allows hitting targets at a distance of two kilometers.
    Is it when the bullets just fall to the ground?
    Just two years ago, I was able to hold FORT-221, the Ukrainian analogue of the Israeli TAR-21 assault rifle, which completely supplanted the obsolete in the Israeli army "Galel"(which, it is believed, was a copy of the AK-74).
    and this is the "weapons expert" saying?
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic 26 June 2014 08: 17
      +3
      Quote: Horst78
      Article rubbish

      All for advertising purposes, in the media are not shy. lol
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 June 2014 08: 24
      0
      Quote: Horst78
      Is it when the bullets just fall to the ground?

      They will not fall to the ground.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 26 June 2014 08: 25
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They will not fall to the ground.
        belay fly to the moon?
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic 26 June 2014 08: 32
          0
          Quote: Horst78
          fly to the moon

          7.62 retains its lethal ability at 3600 meters, although it is unlikely to hit the target.
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 26 June 2014 09: 23
            0
            Quote: schizophrenic
            7.62 retains its lethal ability at 3600 meters, although it is unlikely to hit the target.
            tyk in the article is written
            It is equipped, for example, with an anti-aircraft machine gun mount with ammunition in 450 caliber cartridges 12,7 millimeter (three tapes on 150 cartridges
            although what's the difference. The scatter is such that hit / miss did not know
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 26 June 2014 11: 35
              0
              It’s good that our KORD doesn’t have this. Even more than two kilometers hits the point. True, sometimes there is a serious scatter, but this is only if you shoot with your hands.
              1. Drednout
                Drednout 26 June 2014 13: 41
                +1
                Quote: Basarev
                there is a serious scatter, but this is only if you shoot with your hands.

                Cord with hands ??? TERMINATOR!!!
  7. mad
    mad 26 June 2014 08: 06
    +2
    Since when did the weapons of terrorists - Uzi, albeit slightly modified by Ukrainians, become:
    - What else, besides lightness and compactness, does “FORT” differ from the Kalashnikov assault rifle that has proven itself in more than one military conflict?
    - High firing accuracy.

    more accurate than the good old AKA? Another tale of the Great Ukrainian engineers? hi
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 June 2014 09: 58
      +2
      Quote: mad
      more accurate than the good old AKA? Another tale of the Great Ukrainian engineers?

      I do not know how ukrokopiya "Fort", but the original - yes, more precisely, the barrel length of the "TAR-21" is 460mm, the AK-74 for comparison is 415mm. The design of the weapon is more "rigid", and the sights are attached to the barrel, and not to the receiver as on the AK. Let me remind you that ukroengineers have nothing to do with it, this licensed copy. hi
  8. sergey72
    sergey72 26 June 2014 08: 09
    +5
    I don’t understand, did they decide to release Tabor under 5.45? And how will he digest a steel sleeve? If we are talking about the .223 caliber, then it is not clear where the ammunition will be taken ... I foresee indignant screams - But what about the AR-15 copies from Zbroyar? Zbroyar is a private shop and the volume of trunks produced is not large ... And I repeat, where will the ammunition be taken? You can’t buy ATO in war quantities, and the only cartridge plant in Ukraine that could theoretically master production is in Lugansk!
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 June 2014 10: 12
      0
      Quote: sergey72
      I don’t understand, did they decide to release Tabor under 5.45?

      Why "decided to release"? Already released. Moreover, "at home". wink


      Quote: sergey72
      And how will he digest a steel sleeve?

      Silently. laughing
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 26 June 2014 10: 22
        +2
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Why "decided to release"? Already released. Moreover, "at home".

        And here the question of the PRICE for the "independent" one already arises, a point about which even the most super-duper developments and undertakings are sometimes broken ...
        So, on the air of the notorious Channel Five in the "Arsenal" program, it was indicated that the cost of the "Tavor" ukroversion was off the charts, and was not "elevated" ...
        After all, production is not localized in territory, and practically "screwdriver assembly" is made from components imported from Israel ...
      2. sergey72
        sergey72 26 June 2014 11: 15
        +1
        Quote: And Us Rat
        And how will he digest a steel sleeve?

        Quote: And Us Rat
        Silently. laughing

        Torment dust swallow ... laughing
  9. inkass_98
    inkass_98 26 June 2014 08: 10
    +11
    Some delusional article of an amateur ukrozhurnalizda. Either his "Tiger" could not overcome some kind of brok (although the fashionable Lynx had problems with cross-country ability), then Galel (although he had been "Galil" all his life) is a copy of the AK-74 (although it is a revised AKM, or rather its Finnish version "Valmet").
    And the most important thing has been forgotten by the body - unlike the "koklochudo-weapons", our samples are in service, and something prevents them from introducing their new developments into life - obviously, European beliefs.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 26 June 2014 11: 40
      0
      What is generally good for us. Even if we assume that a sum sufficient for the full localization of Tavor in Ukraine is suddenly announced and this amount is not stolen, all the same, by that time our entire army will switch to AK-12 and all other automatic devices will immediately become obsolete.
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 26 June 2014 15: 43
        0
        Quote: Basarev
        by that time, our entire army will switch to AK-12 and all other assault rifles will immediately become obsolete.

        How would you put it mildly ... With all my respect for its great history, the AK is a weapon of 60 years ago. And the Ak-12 is only a "opicated" version of the honored veteran. There is no talk about any "best in the world" and "unparalleled". Just a good solid weapon, adapted to modern realities. Belated, by the way adjusted.

        Tavor is the weapon of the next generation ... And we need to compare it with our promising samples, and at least the same 9A-91 - Lightweight, compact, integrated grenade launcher, ejection of shells down, cartridge 7,62x39 makes it easy to modify automation under 9x39 or 6.5 Grendel, well, just a fairy tale and not an automatic machine. Another would be an assault version with a grenade launcher for a shot from gm-94 ...
        Here are just things and now there. Are you talking about the outdated (even before your birth) AK-12 ...
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 30 June 2014 21: 56
          0
          Pigtail - not 9A-91 but A-91M ...
          Sorry))
  10. kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 26 June 2014 08: 12
    +2
    This armored vehicle is much smaller and more maneuverable than APCs and surpasses them in speed, which allows faster transfer of mobile groups to hot spots. And, most importantly, unlike its counterparts, the same American Hummer, not to mention the Russian "Tiger"


    It seems to me that it can not be compared with the Tiger, nor with Hammer, much less with the armored personnel carrier. Rather, it was necessary to compare with the BRDM ...
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 26 June 2014 08: 16
      +7
      Quote: kolyhalovs
      It seems to me that it cannot be compared with the Tiger, nor with Hammer, much less with armored personnel carriers

      Rather, compare with this! laughing
  11. lukewarm
    lukewarm 26 June 2014 08: 15
    +1
    What's wrong with the “Tiger” Which edge he could not overcome?
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 26 June 2014 08: 22
      +3
      They mean this:
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 26 June 2014 08: 30
        +6
        Well, this is not an argument. Inept driver and ZIL-131 will not overeat. I saw it myself. laughing
        1. STALGRAD76
          STALGRAD76 26 June 2014 09: 14
          +5
          I had a Mage drove in the Urals, he could drive a damn at least somewhere, at least backwards, during his service, two traffic accidents in the city (then he wasn’t let out into the city) a couple of rammed gates, a couple of fallen pillars and trees, and if they were delivering l / s, then in the evening they weighed him pendals for blueberries on the ass.
          If the driver is careful, this does not mean that the equipment is bad.
      2. Andchevh
        Andchevh 26 June 2014 10: 22
        +3
        If you are driving a bodybuilder, you won’t even cross the edge on the tank! Show the test test video at the training ground !! Dill unfinished !!
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 26 June 2014 11: 19
          +2
          Quote: Andchevh
          If driving a bodybuilder, you won’t even cross the edge on the tank

          I drove a normal driver at the wheel ..... it’s just that a blue sedan is standing in front of him, so he is afraid to hurt him .... suddenly at the wheel of blondes laughing
      3. Jin
        Jin 26 June 2014 11: 27
        +4
        Quote: sergey72
        They mean this:


        Seriously??? laughing well, dill are generally clowns. And I'm already worn out, what "edge" do I think? ... Well, damn it, dabloids, what can you say. One bile and envy, from not having anything of your own ... Yes, it's just ridiculous! laughing He can't move over the curb ... the finish line, that's where the legs grow from such data, from "experts" ... nonsense !!!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 June 2014 08: 25
      +2
      Quote: unwillingly
      What's wrong with the “Tiger” Which edge he could not overcome?

      Yes, that’s what it means.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 26 June 2014 09: 09
        +1
        The ability of a technician to overcome obstacles depends on the skill of laying between the steering wheel and the seat.
        And here it is clear that the soldier will not have enough drag, roll back a little more and overcome the obstacle from dispersal.
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 26 June 2014 09: 13
        +7
        Mura all this front end is not included! I hopped on the GAZ-63 through the rails, didn’t take it on the forehead, turned it obliquely and walked calmly.
      3. Wedmak
        Wedmak 26 June 2014 09: 55
        +4
        Woe driver, this eyebrow, even not beloved Kalina, will move.
    3. Chtecz
      Chtecz 26 June 2014 09: 12
      +1
      There was a video on youtube when polite people appeared in Crimea. There the Tiger could not pass back through the curb, stalled a couple of times. But the matter is not at all in the Tigris, but simply drove such a driver, it’s not experienced.
    4. Andrey555580
      Andrey555580 26 June 2014 10: 31
      0
      Yes, there was a video in YouTube shot at a military unit in the Crimea. There, the driver on the Tigris tried too carefully to drive into the lawn of the military unit because of which he did not press the gas pedal and early threw the clutch from which it died out without stopping on the curb (edge, curb). Svidomity then oh how happy this driver failure.
  12. Death to the Nazis
    Death to the Nazis 26 June 2014 08: 15
    +4
    Dozor-B is a universal high-quality combat unit


    This is an ordinary police car. Well, no matter how not fighting. Hilenka. negative
    1. Jin
      Jin 26 June 2014 11: 30
      0
      Quote: Death to the Nazis
      This is an ordinary police car. Well, no matter how not fighting. Pretty


      + The most selected slag cut down with an ax!
  13. a boat
    a boat 26 June 2014 08: 16
    0
    Quote: evilrussian

    The latest development of an armored car
    Dozor-B and assault rifle
    "Fort" before the Ukrainian military did not
    are welcome

    And what money will they build for the army? The treasury is empty, there are only mice.

    probably for the money that mayDAUN, sponsors will help, and repeat SMS and Donbass still pays taxes
  14. Baitly
    Baitly 26 June 2014 08: 18
    +4
    Article is complete nonsense. Apparently a long time at the Dill with the brain is not in order.
    Especially pleased with this miracle called "mobile checkpoint"

    One shot from an RPG and there is no checkpoint with all the personnel.
  15. dmitriygorshkov
    dmitriygorshkov 26 June 2014 08: 21
    +4
    The author did not mess up anything:
    crew (three people. - Auth.), and landing (eight people. - Auth.).

    11 people in this box? No, I understand when we were six in our youth we climbed into Zaporozhets, but we didn't need to fight.
  16. Intsurfer
    Intsurfer 26 June 2014 08: 21
    0
    Quote: mad
    Since when the weapons of terrorists - Uzi

    Well, don’t ... with Kalash, there are also many terrorists and bandits running around the world. This does not mean that he is the weapon of these characters. And Uzi was originally created as a melee weapon and for cleaning rooms.
  17. Figvam
    Figvam 26 June 2014 08: 21
    +1
    But does the Tiger have no air purification system?
    Well, maybe not on all versions, but on the TIGER-M there are definitely yes and on armored vehicles on the 5th and 6th class for sure
  18. Corsair
    Corsair 26 June 2014 08: 22
    +3
    Quote: from article
    And, most importantly, unlike its counterparts, the same American Hummer, not to mention the Russian Tiger (many still remember how this miracle of the Russian automobile industry could not overcome the edge in the Crimea), Dozor-B has quite serious weapons.

    As for the "edge", here the author's claims should generally lie in the direction of MOUNTAIN - the DRIVER of the "hero" of the sensational video filmed during the Crimean events ...
    But NO ... It is necessary to "bite" the Russian car industry, and in the end, the army ...
    For this one article (-) ...
    1. GRune
      GRune 26 June 2014 08: 47
      +1
      Why then in the army, and in the elite part of it, such super-drivers ???
      1. STALGRAD76
        STALGRAD76 26 June 2014 09: 16
        0
        Did you think that there are only rambs in the army? In the "elite" ??? All in good time to find out what kind of "elite" was in the Crimea. The conscript is cautious behind the wheel ...
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 26 June 2014 09: 54
      0
      It still looks like the driver is careful not to break the suspension.
  19. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 26 June 2014 08: 25
    +6
    Come on, "Fort", they even boasted of their "Vepr" at one time and did not bring it to the army. hi
  20. Figvam
    Figvam 26 June 2014 08: 26
    0
    here it is cylindrical over the spare wheel
  21. Baitly
    Baitly 26 June 2014 08: 29
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: from article
    And, most importantly, unlike its counterparts, the same American Hummer, not to mention the Russian Tiger (many still remember how this miracle of the Russian automobile industry could not overcome the edge in the Crimea), Dozor-B has quite serious weapons.

    As for the "edge", here the author's claims should generally lie in the direction of MOUNTAIN - the DRIVER of the "hero" of the sensational video filmed during the Crimean events ...
    But NO ... It is necessary to "bite" the Russian car industry, and in the end, the army ...


    Yes, the driver is simply no. Girls drive better laughing
  22. Figvam
    Figvam 26 June 2014 08: 29
    +3
    picture with cleaning system
  23. Mahmut
    Mahmut 26 June 2014 08: 46
    +1
    You must first conduct comparative tests at the training grounds and in special laboratories, and then draw conclusions about the benefits. In the meantime, this is just an advertising article. Moreover, the advertisement is unfair, reminiscent of anti-advertising Renault against AvtoVAZ.
  24. yehat
    yehat 26 June 2014 08: 48
    +2
    and I was amused by something else - a statement on the protection of STEEL from weapons of mass destruction. That's just a snap - from what does this miracle protect steel? From radiation? not an option. From poisons or viruses? It is not a matter of materials at all, but again, based on the design of the protection, there is no protection. Although, probably, they had in mind the treatment of the body with garlic and lard ... From a vacuum bomb? Judging by the design, the protection will be something like in a double boiler. Stewed Ukrainians in their own juice and under pressure ... Probably, the author had in mind a special Russian weapon - sapper shovels. Then I agree - it protects ... And it also protects against stones, which, as it will hit the mass, will not seem so little)))
  25. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 26 June 2014 08: 55
    0
    And, most importantly, unlike its counterparts, the same American Hummer, not to mention the Russian Tiger (many still remember how this miracle of the Russian automobile industry could not overcome the edge in the Crimea), Dozor-B has quite serious weapons.

    Of course stupid, they build everything .. well !!!

    But only.

    The tiger overcomes obstacles:



    Armament installed on the Tigers undergoing military tests:



    In general, the Tiger is on the move as it is, but the fact that somewhere they could not overcome some kind of obstacle on it was such a guide, such a machine, nothing to do with it.

  26. umah
    umah 26 June 2014 09: 08
    +1
    It seems to me alone that this one person asks a question and answers it himself?
  27. Fox
    Fox 26 June 2014 09: 11
    0
    that there are so many minuses to the article? Ukrainians, as the descendants of ancient ukrov, will surely find new developments that have never been seen before: lasers from star wars, Don Quixote armor (reinforced with a layer of cardboard), death rays, a flying and floating plane (or a submarine, like khrushch came up with) ... it’s just that I don’t have enough imagination to cover EVERYTHING ... here, there are simply British scientists, and there are GREAT Ukrainians!
    py.sy.article huge + ... for ukrov I am now calm. laughed for a long time ... laughing
  28. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 26 June 2014 09: 28
    +1
    Dozor-B is an ordinary BA with a bearing armored hull into which PMZ is integrated.



    The composition and quality of armored steel for these armored corps, after the Iraqi scandal known to everyone, is in question. As well as the quality of their welding.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 26 June 2014 09: 34
      0
      The original version of the Watch looked like this:



      Subsequently, minor changes appeared in the appearance of the machine:



      Here is the same photo of the Watch inside:





      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 26 June 2014 10: 00
        0
        As can be seen from the photo, the alteration of the armored hull from the outside is aimed at making the car better able to ford water obstacles.
        As for the review and placement of the landing, there is nothing essentially new for equipment of this class.
        In addition, the review from the inside of the car, as well as the illumination inside is very mediocre.
        In general, this machine looks like a modified copy of the OTOKAR-KOBRA BA made in Turkey.
  29. Alex_T
    Alex_T 26 June 2014 09: 51
    0
    "Accuracy is promoted by the fact that the sighting system is attached directly to the rifle barrel." What nonsense, even in the photo you can see that the bar for mounting the sight is on the rifle casing.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 June 2014 10: 00
      0
      Quote: Alex_T
      "Accuracy is promoted by the fact that the sighting system is attached directly to the rifle barrel." What nonsense, even in the photo you can see that the bar for mounting the sight is on the rifle casing.

      And now? wink

      1. a-cola
        a-cola 26 June 2014 10: 55
        0
        Here, as I understand it, a quick-change barrel system. At the same time, it is not reliably secured to the receiver. Hence the need to place mounts directly on the trunk. For Kalash, this is not relevant, therefore, in comparison with it, a controversial advantage.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 June 2014 13: 55
          0
          Quote: a-cola
          Here, as I understand it, a quick-change barrel system. At the same time, it is not reliably secured to the receiver. Hence the need to place mounts directly on the trunk. For Kalash, this is not relevant, therefore, in comparison with it, a controversial advantage.

          And as I understand it, you can justify your words with facts, right? lol
          Py.Sy. - I had occasion to shoot (and a lot over the years of service) from both Western and Russian weapons, but do you have anything to compare with? request
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      3. Alex_T
        Alex_T 26 June 2014 13: 02
        +1
        Thank you for the clarification. Now I believe.
  30. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 26 June 2014 09: 52
    +1
    about the Russian "Tiger" (many still remember how this miracle of the Russian automobile industry could not overcome the edge in the Crimea)


    The author was not able to watch the real film about "Tiger".
    He was framed with "misinformation" with blonde behind the wheel.
  31. lukke
    lukke 26 June 2014 10: 00
    0
    The expert is kaneshno smart, I found something to compare my Watch with ... I’d compare it with UAZ 469. Let him conduct a comparative analysis with classmates, for example:

    Light armored personnel carrier KAMAZ-43269 BMP-97 "Shot"
  32. uhu189
    uhu189 26 June 2014 10: 04
    0
    But I didn’t understand one thing - why do Forts under NATO caliber of cartridges do? What's the catch? Or Ukraine CE Europe? So to speak, they press the scoop with all their might?
    1. yehat
      yehat 26 June 2014 10: 28
      0
      This is banal speculation. NATO produces cartridges according to other quality standards (there are less tolerances from the standard), but 2-2.5 times more expensive (not including intermediaries), due to this they are trying to improve the performance characteristics of the product. But how do they plan to supply ???
    2. commander
      commander 26 June 2014 10: 30
      0
      And they have already begun unhurried assimilation with Western standards. Graduates of military universities receive diplomas in Ukrainian and English. NATO assistance is being formed as an instructor activity. In general, we recall the tighter Georgia itself in the mid-2000s ...
  33. Rjn
    Rjn 26 June 2014 10: 17
    0
    And where is the "rear center of gravity"?
  34. miraculous
    miraculous 26 June 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Dozor-B "is equipped with a remotely controlled anti-aircraft installation capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to two kilometers, in contrast to the same Russian" Tigers ", it is equipped with a filter-ventilation unit capable of purifying the air supplied to the compartments from toxic substances, biological aerosols and even radioactive dust. In addition, it provides extraction of powder gases .................

    Yes, and if he were here, he would surely destroy all enemies with fireballs from his eyes and lightning from his ass. But still, unlike the Russian tiger, the super-duper Dozor is just a fantasy that is not produced)
  35. zzpop
    zzpop 26 June 2014 10: 48
    0
    Drove correctly cautious, because on our roads there are peckers, just E ..., I would have hit a civil wheelbarrow, which is standing and prevents parking on the lawn, would have been declared a terrorist attack after ukrosMI. And they were polite there, your division.
  36. Juborg
    Juborg 26 June 2014 11: 01
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: evilrussian

    And what money will they build for the army? The treasury is empty, there are only mice.

    They will receive a loan from the IMF, raise taxes, reduce salaries and pensions and voila, new cars for the army

    What is most interesting is that after raising tariffs for everything, the price of paying for gas, electricity, housing, water, remains almost twice as low as in Russia, so one wonders who has the crisis !? This is a quote from one blog of the economic observer. If interested, take a pen or calculator and read, all tariffs are laid out in the internet.
  37. a-cola
    a-cola 26 June 2014 11: 04
    0
    Yes, there is nothing at all to take this case with the Tiger and the border. Everyone understands everything. And surely everyone watched the video from the landfills. It's just a pathetic attempt by enemies to spit in our direction. And we all make excuses ...
  38. Rigla
    Rigla 26 June 2014 11: 28
    0
    But when it’s KB them. Morozova was developing weapons against our enemies, and now against the Russians ...
  39. Cristall
    Cristall 26 June 2014 11: 45
    0
    weapons were developed a long time ago.
    On the one hand, it’s good that the USSR’s reserves are still preserved for 23 years ... and on the other, they create competition for the new. Well, the lack of funds, too.
  40. Pacifist
    Pacifist 26 June 2014 11: 58
    0
    many still remember how this miracle of the Russian automobile industry could not overcome the edge in the Crimea

    I advise the author not to make a fool of himself and not to repeat the nonsense of Svidomo bribe-tellers. Could for the sake of decency look at the real and proving tests of the Tigers and the reports of the operators. It is not difficult, google to help.
  41. Aslan
    Aslan 26 June 2014 12: 19
    0
    Che heaps, after the completion of the Tigers they look cheerfully voshche, copied a pan of some kind, with the naked eye it is visible. According to the assault rifle, the Israelis themselves admit that the tar needs to be improved, but the Ukrainians have done better than the original?)!)) Are the brains of their people * fucked up, they decided to switch to ours now.
  42. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 26 June 2014 13: 17
    +2
    Who would doubt it ... These are not pictures of Russian military equipment posting posing as Ukrainian (the most interesting is that the BTR-60PB is just Ukrainian, from Crimea):

    The next revelations of Tymchuk:

    In the meantime ,'re coming out, the army in the Donbass is getting this "charm". Tse peremog ...


  43. bistrov.
    bistrov. 26 June 2014 13: 46
    +1
    This is the usual style of self-styled people, first to praise their not-so-successful "product" to the limit, and then finish everything with the usual "zilch", that is, at the exit "0". After all, from a single sample riveted on the knee to mass production there is usually a "huge distance", there are flow charts and placing orders and components, and most importantly money, money and money that must be paid everywhere, but these are just not there.
  44. Massik
    Massik 26 June 2014 18: 47
    0
    On the technical side, the article is illiterate (