“Poroshenko’s plan for the South-East is an American trap for us”

Exclusive interview with KM.RU portal, Deputy Director of the Institute of CIS Countries Vladimir Zharikhin about the situation in Ukraine

For representatives of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, such approaches are unacceptable.

- Petro Poroshenko announced his proposals for resolving the conflict in Ukraine. Poroshenko’s plan is an American trap for us. At least, I think so, although opinions on this subject may be different. Yes, the document has some correct points - for example, the idea of ​​decentralization of power in Ukraine. However, it still comes to mind historical a joke that there are ten reasons for the inability to shoot a gun. The first reason is the lack of gunpowder, which means that all other reasons are already losing their meaning.

So Poroshenko said that he refused to negotiate "with those who shot at the Ukrainian military," and, therefore, all other things in his plan lose their meaning. For representatives of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, such approaches are unacceptable, because it is a dictate and, in fact, a demand to surrender, and not an offer to negotiate.

But according to the form of the proposal, Poroshenko is served as a peace plan: the document itself is advertised in this way, and this is how it is estimated by the Western media. The parties that must accept or reject this plan are Western representatives and representatives of Russia; Poroshenko himself is also a participant in the negotiations, but not the leaders of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics.

After the introduction of sanctions Russia will have nothing to lose

Poroshenko pretends that he declared a truce not with the defenders of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics, but with Russia, and if the plan is not implemented, then Russia will be blamed for this! Then sanctions will be applied to Moscow, but there is one point about which, in my opinion, those who threaten us with these sanctions are not very thoughtful. Yes, we are accustomed to a certain structure of consumption, and it will not be easy for us. Yes, our industry buys imported machines, components, parts, devices, construction equipment and so on. But no one will fight with us, and after the imposition of sanctions Russia will have nothing to lose, and, in fact, Moscow will receive a blank check on any decisive actions.

In Iraq, the West has already “unexpectedly” experienced problems, just as “unexpectedly” problems can arise in Afghanistan and in other parts of the world. Let's see if the representatives of the West have enough sober mind in the matter of sanctions. In turn, Moscow should maintain a balance between the behavior of the authorities and the way the actions of our authorities are served in the state-run media. Either the hard tone in the media should correspond to the steps of Moscow, or there should be no such tone at all. There is a lot of talk about the example of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but I would caution against direct analogies. Moreover, the parallel with Transnistria is not suitable: the rebels of Lugansk and Donetsk do not control the entire territory and do not even control all the state bodies.

As for the Ukrainian authorities, it seems to her that they have a shortage of gas and money, but in fact the main deficit is the lack of independence, that is, the very “independence” for which they are “fighting” so loudly in Ukraine. While the Ukrainian government will act in the interests of the overseas uncle, there will be nothing good in Ukraine.

Comments

[Giant thought]

I agree that mattresses in Ukraine are preparing a trap for Russia, but they themselves will fall into it.

[kocclissi]

Definitely and most likely, it will be so!

[Natalia]

Let's see if the representatives of the West have enough ....

Stop watching already, we’ve already seen enough, it’s time to act.

What haven't we seen? They did not see how people were burned alive, how the population from the "Akatsii" was shot, how the Ukrainian security forces the border with R.F. violated, or we did not see how stupid dogs lie on the air.

It’s time, comrades, it’s time ... in vain do we carry out exercises.
Operation "Shock and Awe", Banderlogs escape.

[mamont5]

Quote: Natalia

Stop watching already, we’ve already seen enough, it’s time to act.

To act is how? In my opinion, all the necessary actions are already underway, but you just don’t need to wave a big mind with a saber.

[Alexan]

It will be only on condition of increasing military aid for Novorossiya. At the "negotiations" in Donetsk, Borodai was persuaded to go to a confederation with Ukraine, subject to the withdrawal of the militia. Medvedchuk made this proposal not so much from Kiev as from the Kremlin. In my opinion, they do not understand that Novorossiya cannot believe Kiev - there is a lie! Will Moscow help if Donetsk is resisted? And they must stand their ground - there is nothing to lose! Enemies pronounced their sentence long ago ...

[armageddon]

Hmm ... Natsik BLUFF and Southeast realizing THIS will never accept their terms !!! The collapse of Ukraine will not pass ... And do not build illusions about UKRAINE in the form of BORDERS ... As it still existed !!!

[KazaK Bo]

Hmm ... Natsik BLUFF and Southeast realizing THIS will never accept their conditions !!! The collapse of Ukraine will not pass ... And do not build illusions about UKRAINE ... !!!

This ULTIMATUM AT THEIR PLAN IS TAKEN! Definitely a trap has been laid for us - all the arrows are being transferred to Russia ... and the conditions are offered in such a way that you cannot agree to them ... Yes, and what right do we have to give consent for someone ??? Russia ... as a state ... does not take part in the civil war of Kiev and SEU!
Second ... and who is Pan KUCHMA? What powers does he have ... does he have an order signed by the PRESIDENT of Ukraine on the right to negotiate on behalf of the government ... even with Russia ??? A BEAR ... he is generally considered in Ukraine to be an agent of Moscow (even his country house was burned by the right-wingers !!!), a representative of the separatists! It’s just that the whole apparatus of the President, the Government itself, all Ukrainian media will scream at their full Nazi throat that no one authorized these two former government officials to speak on behalf of the authorities! So our ambassador ZURABOV coolly framed himself, and set up RUSSIA ... when he appeared at the meeting as part of the Ukrainian side ....
This whole ultimatum to the southeast (which they call a plan) .. has one goal - at the time of signing a new agreement with the EU on associative membership, the SIGNATURE (PRESIDENT) of Ukraine should be in the toiler! The punitive’s uniform is not suitable for these purposes ... therefore, Pan Poroshenko changed his outfit!
And to us - brains fool! Really believe ???

[koshh]

Quote: KazaK Bo

therefore, Pan Poroshenko changed his outfit!

How not to change the outfit, but for the geyrope he is already theirs, for them: "our sweet Parasha".

[saag]

Quote: Alexan

Medvedchuk not so much from Kiev made this proposal as from the Kremlin. In my opinion, they don’t understand that Novorossia cannot believe Kiev - there is a lie!

Look, one proposal for a challenge is already an attempt to advance the interests of the American side, they need territories, they try to merge at the slightest opportunity, but Medvedchuk is such a representative of Putin, well, blessed is he who believes

[Baikal]

Purely politically - Yes. Practically, in the event of a complete failure - they will make a mug with an ax, and disentangle - Russia.

[ZU-23]

Of all that Poroshenko said, I believe only that he promised to join NATO, and the rest is just a smooth transition, and the war with the southeast is also in limbo

[hooligan]

agree with you.

[Bobxnumx]

Russia initially declared - all parties to the conflict participate in the negotiations. But there is no trial. Poroshenko himself in his hole in the bag and please.

[Evil Pole]

Quote: Thought Giant

but they themselves will fall into it.

They originally hit it. And there will be no cookies from Nuland just like the rest. Look at the course of the wrapper in a week. Time. What's going on in Iraq. Two. Why the Americans decided to sell crude oil. Three. Exercises in Russia do not stop. 4. And in general, two months later, September and the time to harvest the dill only in the bins of the "homeland" that was sold. FULL FINISH.

[Luga]

I began to write "I wonder how they don't understand in Ukraine ..." then I realized that I was not surprised anymore. It is obvious to me that the actions of the mattress are aimed at causing maximum harm to Ukraine, the destruction of its industry and part of the population (the more, the better), or, if lucky, its complete collapse and taking under total control. The conductors of these plans are the current leadership of this "under-state".
Geyrope, of course, does not give a damn about Ukraine. They will soon have nothing to patch up their pants with. Our "eastern partners" will soon force the "western" namaz to perform under the Arc de Triomphe, Big Ben and the Brandenburg Gate. The dissatisfied will be stoned in the best traditions of gay European tolerance.
But to the Ukrainians themselves, including radical nationalists, how can this be incomprehensible?

[johnsnz]

Plus, the current Kiev authorities have a huge brain deficit! Plus a huge surplus of hatred for Russia and deflection under the EU and America! When the impending social and economic crisis overlaps with the political crisis, this is CAPETS! But they could take more than once a helping hand extended by him from the Russian Federation! Net, all the bite, yes bite! Well, grab it, you yourself wanted it and deserved it!
And I wish Novorossia to throw off the junta aggression as soon as possible, gain independence and establish, first and foremost, the economy. Help!

[SS68SS]

Quote: johnsnz

Plus, the current Kiev authorities have a huge brain deficit

[mig31]

Parasha is not at all capable of thinking, his destiny is the stall of the President of Ukraine, in which the groom is the State Department, he is also a jockey ...

[Russ69]

No comments...

[Ministry of Internal Affairs of the KGB TRP]

also no comment ...

[VNP1958PVN]

Clever uphill will not go, it’s better to go round ...

[diff]

Putin will taxi!

[diff]

So far, VV Putin has impressively pursued his policy towards the EU and Dill! So, I’m sure that he’s going to break something like you’s little ones and he won’t be frightened by some kind of Amerian grizzly there. (I suspect that it was he on the collage)

[Vtel]

Who would doubt sho ento kosher-Masonic conspiracy against Russia. God is with us and the Most Holy Theotokos will not leave us unless we sell our faith as dill.

[SS68SS]

... And as for the Ukrainian authorities, it seems to them that they have a shortage of gas and money ....


But in fact, a lack of decency and brain ....

[11111mail.ru]

In turn, Moscow it’s worth maintaining a balance between the behavior of the authorities and the way the actions of our authorities are presented in the state media. Author Vladimir Zharikhin

From Tel Aviv broadcasts, or what?

While the Ukrainian government will act in the interests of the overseas uncle, nothing good will be in Ukraine. Author Vladimir Zharikhin

Well, it's like two fingers on the asphalt.

[diff]

Show me at least one billionaire who would worry about his employee? Why is PARAShenka better ??
He only worries about the strict fulfillment of his obligations to Obama!

[Belarus]

I don’t understand one thing - doesn’t he know GDP at all?
The fact that the decision to send troops was canceled is nonsense. There is a decision of 2009 (I don’t remember the number) on an unlimited permit for the use of troops outside the Russian Federation. Yes, and it won’t take much to get a new one.
Surprisingly different, namely, what the Americans said ..... the downed MI-8 helicopter near Slavyansk will not affect the course of peace negotiations.For me, this means only one thing: the Americans are happy with the course of events or have come up with something else.
PS. For me, the most important thing is that Novorossia would stand.

[Gorbtk]

USof problems should be in Mexico and Canada so that there is more mutual understanding ...

[Comintern]

PArashenko stupid mattress pig. What plans can a pig have?

[Iline]

Quote: Comintern

What plans can a pig have?

And he has no plans of his own; everything is dictated to him by Psaki. Therefore, from the outside, these plans look like crazy nonsense designed for fools. By the way, Europe is being led to this plan (to the question of fools).

[VNP1958PVN]

ParAshenko, so right.

[ratnik]

No comments

[VNP1958PVN]

For this, all this mess started. This is Ukraine dreaming about the love of the State Department. They will use the girl in the EU in the used category!

[mackonya]

So Poroshenko thought that Putin was hooked.

[mamont5]

"But no one will fight us, and after the imposition of sanctions, Russia will have nothing to lose, and, in fact, Moscow will receive carte blanche for any decisive action."

By the way, about the sanctions:
"American business starts advertising campaign to break new sanctions against Russia

The Massachusetts National Association of Industrialists and the American Chamber of Commerce oppose new sanctions against Russia. To convince the public, the lobbyists intend to conduct an advertising campaign in the largest publications. The first publications will appear on the pages of American newspapers on June 26. The authors of the articles will indirectly criticize Barack Obama's position. "
http://russian.rt.com/article/38093

[Gypsy girl]

Plan, damn it ... Yes, no one from the junta was going to conduct really peaceful negotiations !!!

[volodyk50]

American traps have long been no traps for us, because in fact they set traps for themselves in the hope that we will fall into it, but as practice shows, while Poroshenko peacefully and ineffectually continues to bomb the territories of the militias, we make a rustle in Europe, sign documents that ensure the safety of construction. " South Stream "and conduct friendly conversations with EU leaders, the president cancels the Federation Council's right to send troops into the territory of Ukraine and strengthens the ruble. What's next?
Obama himself is probably not glad that he decided on this truce

[shah_I_mat]

The Ukrainian Junta BRAIN DEFICIENCY!

[Yaks]

"As for the Ukrainian government, it seems to them that they have a shortage of gas and money, but in fact, the main deficit is a deficit of independence."
Most importantly, brain deficiency

[chizhik]

Quote: Giant thought

I agree that mattresses in Ukraine are preparing a trap for Russia, but they themselves will fall into it.

There is a share of common sense in the intentions to accuse Russia of violating the "truce", but this lies so much on the surface that it is not worth talking about it. This "pig" is too rotten. Obviously, none of the sane people saw in this "truce" readiness to make peace , especially the military. Russia behaves intelligently and calmly, "the caravan is on its way," this is probably very annoying for the West, whose money disappears without much benefit in the pockets of the Ukrainian "democrats." the intentions of Russia in the person of Putin are perfectly clear to all the screaming and silent in the west. They try to influence the "bear" with the old methods of carrot and stick, they cannot accept that this "bear" has escaped (we many want to believe in it) from the cage ...

[dima-fesko]

As for the Ukrainian authorities, it seems to them that they have a shortage of gas and money, but in fact the main deficit is a lack of independence


They (the Ukrainian government) have a deficit of mind ...

[Roshchin]

Not a single normal person drew on the so-called. "plan" no attention. Empty chatter and no trap. You need to have intelligence and creative imagination to set up traps. The mind is given by nature, the imagination develops, for example, in the schools of the KGB. If Giblets wants to set up traps for someone, let him finish short-term courses at the FSB, if of course the mind allows.

[Stinger]

Quote: http://politobzor.net/show-27057-kolomoyskiy-sdal-gubernatorstvo-i-bezhal-v-zhen
evu.html

The coup sponsor in Ukraine and the neo-Nazi financier oligarch Igor Kolomoisky said that he no longer intended to be the governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region and left the country.

The process has begun. The rats, having read the Plan, rushed along the prepared holes. Only suckers from the Maidan will remain trapped.

[Evgeni]

"lack of intelligence, gas, money" - they already have everything, they sold their homeland

[mmrr]

And even she does not believe Parashenko’s plans.

[PValery53]

"Interesting" ParAshenko announced a truce: his own artillerymen chkhal at him and continue to rumble.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Giant thought

I agree that mattresses in Ukraine are preparing a trap for Russia, but they themselves will fall into it.

Yes, they have already taken aim or climbed into all the profitable enterprises.

But we can lose if we are not brave and strong.

As a strong political move, I would suggest holding a referendum in Russia on declaring war on Ukraine because of the humiliation of the USSR, the Great Red Army and the veneration of fascist henchmen.

He would present an ultimatum to Ukraine on the prohibition of the right sector of the party, freedom, party blow, demolition of the monuments of Bandera and the bandit, seizure of textbooks defaming anti-fascists.

Would put on the international wanted list of all law-breakers, etc.
With countries that provide them with political asylum, he would sever all relations, up to the cessation of gas supplies ...

A year or two, Russia would then live in poverty.
Any chantrap and frank bastard during this time would have blown over the hill ...

And only after that the unprecedented growth of the New United Russia would begin to the heights of world leadership in morality, education, living standards, ... even football.

[APASUS]

As for the Ukrainian authorities, it seems to them that they have a shortage of gas and money, but in fact the main deficit is a shortage of independence, that is, the very “independence” for which Ukraine is so loudly “fought”.

What Ukraine really lacks now is brains !!!
Those who will answer the eternal Slavic question: WHAT TO DO?

[repytw]

URGENTLY. Militia frees Donetsk airport
25.06.2014 - 21: 07
According to sources in the DPR, the Donetsk airport came under the control of the Donbass People’s Militia. After a two-hour clash, Ukrainian punishers hurriedly left the terminal building.

At the moment, the air port of Donetsk is under the complete control of militia fighters. The Supreme Council of the DPR assured that the victims of self-defense in the last battle for the airport were avoided.

According to the source, the operation to free the airport began a few days ago and was successfully carried out to its logical conclusion.


http://www.segodnia.ru/news/141815

[Tektor]

Now we need to wait for a convenient moment for another 6 republics of the southeast to join the Union. We need a plan to block the penetration of terrorist groups into the territory of New Russia: a sharp one-time increase in the territory of the conflict will make the suppression of the uprising by the same resources impossible.

[TOR2]

What a truce, here and there are local skirmishes. I think the junta is exhausted, and a truce is just an excuse.

[nomad74]

Quote: Belarus

Surprisingly different, namely, what the Americans said ..... the downed MI-8 helicopter near Slavyansk will not affect the course of peace negotiations.For me, this means only one thing: the Americans are happy with the course of events or have come up with something else.
PS. For me, the most important thing is that Novorossia would stand.

In Europe, they spoke in favor of taking control of the border, or rather the control of humanitarian aid! That’s the catch! How will the help now go? volunteers if they take control of the border will not miss! My opinion: there is nothing for the gay men on the border to do!