Have waited?

Irina Yarovaya and Aleksandr Khinshtein, Chairman and Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption, propose to introduce into the Law on Police more than 60 amendments concerning both the social security of the police and significantly expanding their powers and responsibilities, Kommersant reports on Tuesday.

“Studying 1’s January 2012, which entered into law on the reform of the Ministry of the Interior, they (Yarovaya and Khinshtein. -“ Kommersant ”) concluded that it contains inaccuracies that“ prevent the internal affairs bodies from effectively fulfilling their duties to protect citizens and society from criminal encroachments ", - notes the edition.

So, parliamentarians propose to add art. 30, concerning guarantees of legal protection of policemen, two points, the newspaper writes. According to them, the policeman, applying weapon, special equipment or physical force to the person who committed the crime is not responsible for the injuries received.

Old Cynic Comment:
“And I, a sinner who has a second legal, firmly believed that only a court can call an individual a criminal in our beloved Russia. It turns out no! They will make amendments, and now every type with epaulets will be determined by its own eye, you are a criminal, or not. ”

In the same way, it is proposed to release the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs from liability for damage caused to the property of third-party citizens and organizations during the performance of their official duties, Kommersant emphasizes.

color = # C0504D]Old Cynic Comment:
[b] “Prepare the property for takeaway, dear compatriots! Your laptops, televisions, cars - everything will be written off to the account of “the performance of official duties.” [

In addition, the publication adds, Interior Ministry officials are invited to legally oblige to explain to the detainee on suspicion of an administrative or criminal offense his rights and reason for detention.

[b] Old Cynic Comment:
“Do you have the right to remain silent until two years later you have a lawyer?”

Among the significant innovations, the authors of the bill also point out a new system of dismissal of unscrupulous employees.
“Previously, with the availability of operational information about the corruption of the head of the unit, it was impossible to dismiss him - he was reinstated by a court. Often there is not enough data to initiate a case, but the service of its own security knows for sure that the head is unscrupulous, ”Khinshtein said in an interview with Kommersant.
Meanwhile, deputies are proposing to establish special commissions in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, consisting of the heads of personnel departments, as well as their own security services.

Old Cynic Comment:
"Fuck! In! More feeding trough planned! PRS is not enough? "


“At their meetings, they will study the negative operational information about this or that leader, vote for his dismissal, and then pass the decision to the Minister, whose decision is not appealable, will fail,” Hinstein explained to the newspaper.

Among other things, parliamentarians propose that police officers, when detaining drunk citizens, use not only the services of medical institutions, but also social organizations that oversee the homeless, drug addicts and alcoholics. We are talking about state rehabilitation centers that are run by municipalities, Khinshtein specified in an interview with Kommersant.

Yak there seems on Vukraine: "Nema is the dog of what robyty - wines sobie egg lizhe!"

And what else to expect from State Dura State Duma and its best people - United Russia?

Comments

[esaul]

Well, firstly, the respected Old Cynic - no one has yet waited for anything. All sorts of different proposals are made in darkness, but not all of them are accepted. This is the first.
And secondly - you just need to remember such moments as pushing the juvenile law, etc., that did not pass. It should be noted the specifics of our legislative initiative - at the very least, but laws are being adopted with an eye on the opinion of society. Here it is necessary to note the opposition EP parties - KP, LD and Mironovskaya.

[alex-s]

Alexander Khinshtein proposes to introduce more than 60 amendments to the Law “On Police”, concerning both the social welfare of the police and significantly expanding their powers and duties

Khinshtein is going to be deprived of parliamentary immunity for a brawl on an airplane forest! What the hell amendments from him ?!

[kartalovkolya]

So it’s because of this that he is trying to push through the Dragon amendments so that his balls are released!

[1812 1945]

Quote: kartalovkolya

So it’s because of this that he is trying to push through the Dragon amendments so that his balls are released!

Your guess is likely. As for the article - indeed: such conversations have been going on for a long time. Perhaps it was worth making some amendments to the use of weapons during the Soviet era ... Now, for the innumerable army of orcs, the main purpose of which is to protect the prosperity of the ruling oligarchic capital (and to itself - "a little"), a different kind of innovation is needed: to take away the clubs, and for bribery, extortion and - God forbid (!) - forgery or falsification of criminal cases - the maximum terms of imprisonment, up to the death penalty. At the same time, they need to be paid in the same way as the police are paid in Western European countries (the price level is comparable) and punished for encroachment on their lives in the performance of their official duties (or - associated with this) maximum terms of imprisonment, and for murder - the death penalty. Not immediately, but the orcs will be replaced by humans. At the same time, it is necessary to provide law-abiding citizens with the right to protect life and property with the use of rifled firearms (which one and the licensing procedure is up to the experts to clarify). It is categorically necessary to change the law on the use of weapons for the above-mentioned purposes, towards its liberalization (the word has become disgusting recently, but the meaning, I think, is clear.) Why is it still not so, why everything should be so - a topic for many hours of justification , clarifications, bringing a huge statistical material ... - Not for comment here. And there will be no "army of orcs", but there will be a normal ("average") police force - there will be no problems with licensing and law enforcement ...

[Giant thought]

In general, the deputies of United Russia are proposing to further worsen our position as ordinary ordinary citizens, to increase the possibility of police arbitrariness. Question: is all this true?

[CONTROL]

Is it fair?
As the brutally unsettled heroes of American militants often say, life in general is .... and don’t look for justice in it ...
I think this is just a preparation for the adoption of these "amendments", even if they are rejected - they will still be dragged through somehow by internal instructions, regulations, and teh ... In fact, this has all been done for a long time, and speak against not very good! Sometimes all sorts of high-profile cases of torture, "shooters" and so on come up ... And how many did not come up?
Does anyone know how many cases of taking criminals to the police: they were caught hot, and why - a dashing guy, such a proposal will suit us, or join our ba ... that is, the police, or, according to the article, a white swan ...

[godun]

I agree with you. We had a case ... One disabled pensioner with a perforated stomach ulcer, a completely non-conflicting person, in the evening, caught the eye of a traffic police patrol. What they did not like him, it is completely unclear, according to the women who saw everything, he just went home. In general, they took him for “violation of public order.” According to the officers of the “law enforcement agencies,” the retired monster began to cynically beat three redneck employees and they had to defend themselves essno. After their self-defense, the man died, he was quickly sent to the morgue, for a long time they were not given to relatives until the body turned black and the traces of protection became not so visible. Then they made him up and gave him up in a closed coffin ... The case was not even started ... And if these amendments are accepted, the relatives of those killed will also pay the police for the scratched tooth enamel. You can substitute something in the laws on the protection of police officers, but at the same time maximize personal responsibility.

[psg72]

So, parliamentarians propose to supplement Art. 30, concerning the guarantees of legal protection of police officers, in two points, the newspaper writes. According to them, the policeman, using weapons, special equipment or physical force against the person who committed the crime, is not responsible for the injuries sustained.
So I immediately asked myself to apply my amendments.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote from psg72

So I immediately asked myself to apply my amendments.

Surprised. I didn’t expect that all such injured victims of police arbitrariness on our site! Tortured by lack of freedoms? Does the dill speak correctly? Is everything in Russia wrapped in barbed wire? No one knows the police at all? Do you know what’s with our liberal legislation , the police are no longer able to defend themselves, not to mention the protection of citizens? And the lawlessness of supervisory authorities, ballads can be added up! Example? Yes, please!
The case of this year. The police officers under the "Intercept" plan, at night, try to detain the criminals. As usual, they are more technically equipped. The senior of the squad, seeing that the pursuit will not bring results, decides to shoot at the wheels. From the PM, shoot from a moving car at the moving one. goals and hitting from the first shots? Well done! (Who understands the topic). The car is stopped, the criminals are tied! Hurray!
Hurray? Not really. A truck was standing on the side of the road. A trucker was sleeping in it, (I recall, it happened at night) the ricochet from the rim (according to the results of the examination). The ranger died. What is this? I think this is a tragic accident. The court judged otherwise. The policeman was found guilty, (attention!) Because, having received special training, he had to CALCULATE the flight path of the bullet !!! I think we have enough people who have shooting training to understand the absurdity of the decision. As a result, the policeman’s colleague, before entering the outfit, refuse to receive weapons.

[dmitriygorshkov]

I’ll also add an interesting case: a group of guest workers in the supermarket scored alcohol and snacks, naturally before reaching the cash register, and took the most expensive things, settled down to celebrate something right on the trading floor. They respond to the staff’s protests with the only phrase they learned well in Russian. Employees call the VO outfit with a button. Arriving law enforcement officers are stunned by what they saw. They will ask vacationers to pay the bill and leave the room. In response, the same phrase! In order to stop this, they kick this audience out onto the street. The police lawlessness of the citizens, without understanding the background, called the prosecutor's office. The prosecutor arrives, and the Gaster, under his DICTICIAN (!), write testimonies against the police! They call their management. The management finds out which of the prosecutors actually contact him and it turns out that he wants 1,5 million, otherwise he’ll plant employees! Is it normal? I repeat once again.
With this arrangement, the police cannot defend themselves. Where can it be before the protection of citizens!

[Old Cynic]

I wish you only one thing - never get caught by policemen in search of "closing the checkboxes" on the hangers.

God give you health and success !!!
And God will judge you ... When you get into a millstone, you will sing differently.

[Dart2027]

I wish you only one thing - never to be caught by a gang of stoned thugs in search of "money" for drugs.

God give you health and success !!!
And God will judge you ... When you need police protection, you will sing differently.

And a little digression into the recent story of what happens when there is no police:
The cry of the "soul" of the Maidanovka:
"I'm scared guys. Scary. And not from what is happening in Donbass. But from yesterday's and today's center of Kiev. Drunk men on the Maidan, drunken teenagers, drunk women who shout - Who are you? You were on the Maidan when you were here Teenagers with sawn-off shotguns rush at others who also have sawn-off shotguns. Yesterday with torches it seemed like a SLEEP, but all in the same sewn uniform. Question - What are you taking off, I'll break my phone and head off! Again the aunts in Mariinsky Park. sportswear, and already in camouflage, that is why they are no less blue and inadequate. ”Today, under the Cabinet of Ministers, when they fought with the National Guard, which ran out of the Cabinet, one, like one out of a hundred, was waving my lock to the bicycle, wanted to hit someone in the face. took my bike in the basket. ”The cops who you approach and ask what is happening? and who answer you:
"Ask what has been happening since November 30, all of you journalists-brutes tell on all channels that the police kill people, that the police are fascists! Go now, we will not do anything!"
Question to officials - How long can it take to capture the Cabinet at night? Over 15? In response, they nod in the affirmative. Aggression, closed faces, and the worst thing - there is no hierarchy at all, when it is impossible to understand who is the elder. At the same time, a 15-year-old teenager with a Kalash stands in front of you and gets nervous when you ask about a weapon. And knowing that they are shooting here, you think - What if they shoot? Maidan, in its darkest days and nights, was a territory of protection and was a territory where everyone was their own. There was Berkut, titushki there, and there we are. Now, explain something to me, because I don't understand anything anymore. PS. And try to write to me that #thomarionette of Putin and #picture is for Russian media. This is just some kind of household tin from stupidity, drunkenness and nothing to do. And titushki really scare me, well, and just unpleasant. "

[Hleb]

No one will rob him

[Old Cynic]

He is United Russia, who will deprive him of what?

[Old Cynic]

This hamster has not yet been deprived of anything. So twist your finger at your temple!

[vvvvv]

This is not the "Old Cynic" who launched the word "state fool" into use?! ...
This is also that "benefactor" of Russia ...

[Mareman Vasilich]

He, regarding the Duma (State Duma), did not say anything new. I. Stalin also called the Duma a full-time education, in which he was completely right. See volume 1 of his collected works.

[larand]

Quote: vvvvv

This is not the "Old Cynic" who launched the word "state fool" into use?! ...
This is also that "benefactor" of Russia ...

what do you want from the old man? He was going to the barricades.

[Old Cynic]

This is not him, I dare to assure you!
But with his "reservation" I agree 100%.

[Normal]

Quote: esaul

but not all are accepted

This is true Valery, (I welcome) not all.
Usually, several options follow.
1. The offer is accepted.
1.1 the proposal is accepted by the Duma, but the President cancels it by his decision (exultation in society, growth in rating and popularity (for this everything was muddied))
2. As a result of wide resonance and negative reaction to the proposal, the proposal is not accepted.
2.1 The proposal is not accepted, but subsequently the main provisions are put into effect by the adoption of presidential or departmental decisions.

In the absence of political life and real opposition to the authorities, there are many ways to push through an offer of ANY degree of delirium.
If I am not mistaken, Caligula made his horse a senator, and nothing ...

[Eugeniy_369k]

Quote: Normal

In the absence of political life and real opposition to the authorities, there are many ways to push through a solution to ANY degree of delirium.
If I am not mistaken, Caligula made his horse a senator, and nothing ...

Vladimir subscribe to every word.
by the way

Russia has lost all geostationary satellites of the launch detection system.
The Russian Ministry of Defense lost the last geostationary satellite of the Oko-1 ballistic missile launch detection system. It is part of the Missile Attack Warning System (SARS). The satellite, codenamed 71X6, launched in March 2012, worked for only two years, instead of the prescribed five to seven years.

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/25/eye/

[esaul]

Volodya, firstly -

Quote: Normal

The proposal is not accepted, but subsequently the main provisions are put into effect by the adoption of presidential or departmental decisions.

I agree that there are such "driving initiatives". But there are others: not so long ago I talked to one of my hard workers. The peasant is quite irresponsible in the sense of labor discipline - and he can drink and be absent. But - golden hands. Therefore, the conversation took place. During the conversation, his soul was wide open and he suddenly gave out the following information - "I took a loan. Yes, I don't need to give it back. For five years they were chasing me. And after a while, it took money to take, came to throw some dough for a seed that I give it back, but they tell me, “and your loan has been repaid.” - “Who repaid it?” - “Under the presidential program on amnesty for defaulters who fell into difficult conditions.” Yura almost lost his eyes. smear the snot that banks have laundered money from a legal loan, but let's see that caring for people (discussing legal shortcomings or advantages is a different topic) also manifests itself at the level of such unpublished programs. The topic is voluminous and there is no particular desire to post all kinds of links. If a person is aimed at highlighting the negative (which is not so bad), he will find him everywhere, and those who want to "happily clap their hands on the water" (like You, in due time, say rili, Volodya and I like this phrase with optimism) will always find "water" to slap on it with joy.

[Old Cynic]

"Under the presidential program of amnesty for defaulters who find themselves in difficult conditions."

Excuse me, what state is such a program in? In Russia it is not!

[yehat]

I do not know. I remember how quickly the ugly police law was pushed through. So, I do not believe that there is an eye on the people.

[Old Cynic]

Do you believe in anything coming from government bodies?

[armageddon]

Hmm ... Any normal STATE is trying to strengthen their ORDERS OF THE ORDER ... !!! Or is it better Ukrainian BADAK ...? It is NECESSARY to cancel the PLAN in the work of the police ... That would be REAL help in the fight against police lawlessness at the level of CITIZENS !!!

[vezunchik]

As in Saratov, the muzzle turned so grandmother, a former teacher, protesting against the destruction of education ... And now he just can beat her ...

[Old Cynic]

But the "normal state" also strictly asks the "authorities".

[Old Cynic]

just need to remember moments like pushing the juvenile law

Dear Esaul!
And what, in Russia, certain substances do not break into homes that have the crusts of "child rights commissioners in the city ......" and do not meticulously inspect refrigerators, closets with clothes, toy boxes?
I personally saw several reports on this subject, and, mind you, on ORT and Russia 1.

Question. On the basis of then what rule of law do these defective persons act? Juvenile law has not been adopted, you correctly noticed it. Then explain to me, please, on what basis are children taken from their parents? Where, in what FKZ, FZ are the norms of the right to remove children from their parents spelled out if there aren’t a certain number of sausage varieties in the house?

[alicante11]

And what, in Russia, certain substances do not break into homes that have the crusts of "child rights commissioners in the city ......" and do not meticulously inspect refrigerators, closets with clothes, toy boxes?
I personally saw several reports on this subject, and, mind you, on ORT and Russia 1.

If there are fools who allow this chaos, these are deeply their personal problems.

[Old Cynic]

I agree with you! I have nothing to fear so far - the children have not made happy their grandchildren.
But imagine the situation: these "chicks of Astakhov's nest" come to you not on their own, but with the policemen. Or have you seen the reports on TV? There they are all a friendly bunch: the district police officer and several "juvenile twas .."
And how, tell a "normal representative of power" not to open the door? to be taken out later? It’s not the district policeman himself who’s naklyuzhnya - these "mothers" will instantly snitch where necessary!

[alicante11]

But imagine the situation: these "chicks of Astakhov's nest" come to you not on their own, but with the policemen.

I stupidly do not open the door, through which I explain to them that they are wrong and I promise to call the prosecutor's office and these "chicks of Astakhov's nest" are fucking going. Since they don't have a search warrant, cops are sent after them, they don't need extra problems. Well, if, of course, they are not goblins. But goblins, they are both with the law of the goblins and without the law of the goblins.

[saag]

“Prepare take-away property, dear compatriots! Your laptops, televisions, cars - everything will be debited to the account of “performance of official duties”

It is now necessary to push through the law obliging insurance companies to insure the property of citizens from "performance of official duties", by the way, when this happens, I mean the last such offer from business will come

[Signaller]

I remember August 91, when there was a coup. I bought the car exactly on the 20th, so I insured it, but the insurers said: "We are not responsible for the fact that a tank hits your car." With the state, the freebie will not roll when.

[Old Cynic]

It is now necessary to push through the law obliging insurance companies to insure the property of citizens from "fulfillment of official duties"

And this is the next project from Yarovaya ...

[sds]

The right project. By the way, it was not without insurance companies lobby)

[alicante11]

Is there evidence? You are our true.

[sds]

Cuiprodest? Cui bono? Seek someone profitable.

[alicante11]

Cuiprodest? Cui bono? Seek someone profitable.

Not caught, not a thief :).

[sds]

This is the right topic. In accordance with Article 1069 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, harm caused to a citizen or legal entity as a result of illegal actions (inaction) of state bodies, local self-government bodies or officials of these bodies, including as a result of the publication of an act of a state body that does not comply with law or other legal act or local government, is refundable. The damage shall be compensated at the expense of the treasury of the Russian Federation, the treasury of the constituent entity of the Russian Federation, or the treasury of the municipality, respectively. Let government agencies insure their civil liability. This will greatly facilitate the compensation of damage to citizens.

[Old Cynic]

What did you anonymously kill a person? Really pricked in the eyes?
SDS - you are my plus.

[alicante11]

Is there evidence? You are our true.

What did you anonymously kill a person? Really pricked in the eyes?
SDS - you are my plus.

Is that the type of answer? And on the account of the one who cleared, so ask modders.

[Dezinto]

We wait...........

[Eugeniy_369k]

And who introduced the law?
Deboshir Hinstein?

The Investigative Committee of Russia (TFR) wants to strip the immunity of State Duma deputy Alexander Khinshtein. According to investigators, on May 29, on an Aeroflot flight Mineralnye Vody — Moscow, he violated the Air Code of the Russian Federation. Unlike the prosecutor’s office, the Investigative Committee found signs of an administrative offense in the actions of the deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Security.
Investigators found that on May 29, during the Mineralnye Vody – Moscow flight aboard Aeroflot, Alexander Khinshtein “flagrantly violated the requirements of the Air Code of the Russian Federation and the Rules of Conduct for Passengers”, namely, “prevented the flight attendant from fulfilling his official duties”, “ignored not only oral remarks of the flight attendant, but also a written warning to the commander, "" used expressions degrading to human dignity. "

Or Spring?

In 1988-1997 she worked in the prosecutor's office of the Kamchatka region. She consistently held the positions of trainee, investigator, assistant prosecutor, deputy prosecutor of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, head of the investigation department, senior assistant of the prosecutor of Kamchatka region.

She was elected to the State Duma five times, but she never became a deputy as a result of elections. The first deputy mandate was received from the Governor of the Kamchatka Territory A. A. Kuzmitsky.

And so the police have authority over the roof, but there is little ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Eugeniy_369k

Deboshir Hinstein?

It is a pity that his face was not filled in the plane.

[alicante11]

It is a pity that his face was not filled in the plane.

It’s impossible, the deputy is an inviolable person, so I would have to hit other parts of the body :).

[Old Cynic]

So what? Khinshtein, Spring ... United Russia contributed, that’s the most important thing !!!

Tomorrow there is Pupkin, or Hambardzumyan, or Svistodryshchenko ... It's not about the names.

[vvvvv]

This endpoint clearly reveals authorship:
"What else to expect from State Dura The State Duma and its best people - United Russia? "

And by deeds you will recognize them ... I have seen enough of the plots where complete thugs resist the police. Recently, in Orenburg, a crowd of young people jumped in a traffic police car and employees were simply afraid to get in touch. When a policeman is afraid to touch the criminal, that he will be dragged later and thrown with complaints, then in such conditions there can be no protection of citizens. Personally, I do not engage in counter-actions, and for some reason no policemen ever touched me. And whoever shows off or does something illegal, in my opinion, should catch it properly for science.

Well, a normal Russian cannot use terms like "rashka", "state fool", etc.
I am convinced that this is another occasion for liberoids to crack anything against the authorities.

[Revolver]

Quote: vvvvv

And whoever shows off or does something illegal, in my opinion, should catch it properly for science

That is, "hand over to the clinic for experiments", as the postman Pechkin from Prostokvashin suggested? Well, this is absolutely atrocity, it is better to shoot on the spot.

[vvvvv]

I do not quite understand the disadvantages of a number of members of the forum, as if they are asocial elements or have suffered from how you write the "atrocities" of the police ... I understand that there are real criminals in the police. But, even before, there was a tightening of their responsibility for forgery of evidence, etc. I judge by my own experience, but for almost 40 years I cannot say bad things for any of the police officers, with whom I had to somehow contact. Everything was mutually polite. That is why I wrote that there are examples when they begin to behave inappropriately against the representatives of the law. I see plots and StopHam, and much more, so as not to harbor illusions, which are inadequate fellow citizens. If they come into conflict and hand-to-hand with representatives of the law, then what can ordinary citizens expect from them ?! They can beat someone, etc., and when a police officer uses force against them, they run to scribble counter statements ... Let there be at least equal conditions - there will also be a possibility of using force for their resistance. It is clear that any "double-edged sword", but in recent years, the police have been pounded enough. Would you yourself begin to comply with the law if you are afraid to be convicted later, what the criminal was given in the face? After all, the responsibility for illegal actions does not seem to be removed from the police, but we are only talking about lawful use ?!

[Old Cynic]

This endpoint clearly reveals authorship:

Well, and who, in your opinion, is the author, the perspicacious you ours?

I have seen enough of the plots where complete thugs resist the police

Anecdote to the topic of your post:
Americans boast:
- Russians, you suck! For example, we came up with a channel for animals! they watch him in the absence of the owners, and not so miss ...
Russians say:
- It's buulshit! So we came up with a TV channel for vegetables!
The Americans precipitated:
- What is it? We have not seen this ...
Answer:
- Not even one, but two: ORT and RTR !!! "

What did Philip Filipych say about the Soviet newspapers? Do not remember?

[vvvvv]

I apologize if this is appropriate in case of my mistake in attribution. I believe that you have the right to criticize anything and anyone, but I don’t understand when they borrow from the outspoken enemies of Russia as a whole terminology, which, in addition, has a collective character. Indeed, in the State Duma there are the same KPRF or LDPR, which are also involved in lawmaking and do not always create bad laws. After all, a lot of laws are being adopted, of which only a small part of them causes controversy in society. So I did not quote the term "Rashka" in vain - the same denigrating and collective, as the denigration of the entire State Duma with the term "foolishness." Everyone knows who launched it. And then I see material with such an ending.
How can one criticize the "liberoids" and other anti-Russian leaders, and not disdain to express themselves in their words? If you criticized someone in particular, then I would have kept silent. I think you need to be more careful if you did not want to produce the effect that you had on me and perhaps not only.

[vvvvv]

About the anecdote. You are not a simple forum user who only comments, but write articles, i.e. have a certain impact. And there is more demand for such people, tk. simplifications and stereotyped approaches such as anecdotes are harmful distortions. It is in the evaluations-comments that extreme positions are still allowed, which often surprise me. Then they throw me "kakami" when, during Bolotnaya, I support Putin and indicate that he has done a lot useful for Russia. And I often go against the mass opposite wave in order to moderate radical views. Now I enter into disputes when Putin is overly idealized, forgetting that he is also a living person and is forced to experience the pressure of groups of influence, which may determine the steps that are not 100% necessary for the common people. I am closer to the perception of A. Dugin, who believes that, on the whole, the elites in Russia are forced to act in such a way that they are perceived as a patriotic course. But, I would consider it sovereign and without unnecessary idealization. And private business at the state level (sovereign capital), which is forced to defend itself within the framework of the state, can also be sovereign. Those. something is not being done for the sake of the people, but the norod has a kind of positive cost of gaining sovereignty by the Russian elites. So in Crimea, they have already gathered to sell the property of Ukraine and hostile oligarchs ... And to whom to sell? For myself, who else ...
I recently wrote here in the topics detailed comments on understanding what is happening. But, I am for moderate interpretations. Trying to see objective motivation. And extremes in assessments are always harmful. So the State Duma is just one of the "projectors" of this reality. In politics and diplomacy, it is not customary to conduct a dialogue with opponents in some kind of extreme and ultimatum approaches, which means only going beyond diplomacy - military action. So the pressure in the political field must be targeted specifically and put pressure on these goals, for example, by pushing something specific for citizens. And the "state fool" carries nothing concrete, except for extreme opposition and unwillingness to conduct diplomacy. This is a complete denial of this institution and the power that projects it. Are you sure you need to act with such methods ?!

[Eugeniy_369k]

Quote: Old Cynic

What did Philip Filipych say about the Soviet newspapers? Do not remember?

Well, what about

And - God bless you - do not read Soviet newspapers before dinner.

[Revolver]

] Old Cynic's comment:
“Do you have the right to remain silent until two years later you have a lawyer?”

In America, if during the arrest they did not read "Miranda", the court closes the case, even though the arrested person confessed on camera as before God.
[http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Rule]

a policeman, using weapons, special equipment or physical force against a person who has committed a crime, shall not be liable for injuries sustained by that.

What now? The cop is afraid to remove the gun from its holster, or even wears a sandwich there - both easier and more useful. In America, if the cop acted in accordance with the job description, i.e. had reason suggestthat there is a danger to himself or others, they usually don’t even open a case. And if they open it, then they usually close it.

[maximus235]

Only in America sometimes children with toy guns die from police bullets

[Revolver]

You only heard the translation, not necessarily adequate, but I saw and heard the sheriff's press conference. Nearby there are 2 AKM, toy and real, you cannot distinguish. In America, it is forbidden to sell toy weapons of a realistic color, only in wild neon green, orange, blue colors - specifically so that this could not happen. But this "boy" - 15 years old, and growing from an adult - was sent by relatives from Mexico. As they say, they made me feel good. And most importantly, if he had obeyed the cop and stood still with his hands up, nothing would have happened, and he began to turn around and pull the machine gun from his shoulder. Maybe I didn't understand English, there are many places where, in principle, Spanish is enough for life. Would you have a point if they tried to send AKM to you? Or would they still be proactively sniffed like this policeman (by the way, a veteran of the Iraqi and Afghan warriors, a former Marine, an instructor in the use of firearms in the police of that town)?
The court decided that there was no reason to open a case.

[Old Cynic]

What now? The cop is afraid to remove the gun from its holster, or even wears a sandwich there - both easier and more useful. In America, if the cop acted in accordance with the job description, i.e. I had reason to believe that there is a danger to himself or others, as a rule, they don’t even open a case. And if they open it, then they usually close it.

You in the States, of course, American cops are dearer and closer.
And I am enraged by the rudeness and shamelessness of eighteen-year-old jerks in the Moscow metro! It was subject to conscription, but it was raked into a policeman! So IT walks importantly through the station, dressed up in a new mold, brazenly shoving people ... Why, the "product of internal organs" is floating, sorry "they deign to march" ...

[alicante11]

And it infuriates me from the rudeness and shamelessness of eighteen-year-old jerks in the Moscow metro! One was subject to a call, and he was raided in policemen!

Am I missing something? Have we already taken into the mentality of the unmarried? And detail?

[vvvvv]

You are right, but please see the "other side of the coin" ...

[vvvvv]

Here I am about the same ....
To make it clearer, you can delve into the topic "General Kolesnikov jumped from the sixth floor." I do not presume to judge something in this story, but it can tell many thoughts. If people like Kolesnikov cannot defend themselves as a representative of the authorities and they are charged with abuse of power, then what can a simple policeman be able to do against someone's insolent sons and other "masters of life" ?! If a policeman dares to touch such a thug and dangerous scumbag with his finger, then he will rot later.

[maximus235]

Here just now, Mr. (like a gentleman, but everyone understands how he wants :)) of that same Hinstein was shown how a drunken man scythed in an airplane. What else can you expect from him?

[johnsnz]

You just do not touch us)))

[Balamyt]

Meanwhile, deputies are proposing to establish special commissions in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, consisting of the heads of personnel departments, as well as their own security services.

Keep it up guys! More commissions are good and different! We are always ahead of the rest! We are trying to invent something that almost the whole world has been using for a long time. Than sit for years, can simply learn from experience, even if it is the experience of our ideological opponents!

[Dronik3113]

And I wonder if you didn’t try to engage in crime prevention ??? Somehow, in the USSR, one "Aniskin" controlled 5 villages with a "bent spoon" in a holster, and in the Russian Federation, in each village, a platoon of machine gunners in helmets with bulletproof vests is not in the know ... For 70 years of Soviet power, 576 were on the wanted list " trunks ", and now in Russia -" infinity "... It is necessary not to engage in renaming, but to improve the" quality "of work ... And the use of specific real terms for crimes, but the options of" Oboronservis "- do not give ....

[andj61]

Quote: Dronik3113

Somehow in the USSR one "Aniskin" controlled 5 villages with a "bent spoon" in a holster,

Once upon a time, unarmed London "bobbies" patrolled the streets, but now those days are gone. With any use of weapons - even in the case of a warning shot into the air - the patrolman will still have to unsubscribe for a couple of days - and that's at least.
Still, here it is necessary to solve two problems:
1.To ensure the safety of law-abiding citizens, an effective police force with appropriate powers is required.
2. The very use of these powers by the police-police can lead - and it does! - to violations in the field of security of law-abiding citizens.
It is clear that an educated, properly motivated employee - but not all! - may have increased authority.
But in practice, linking one with the other is very difficult, and even taking into account our mentality with a nihilistic attitude towards law enforcement agencies and the low social status of these employees. Even the middle strata of society will not go to the service of an ordinary employee. As a result, problems will occur.
After all, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads.

[imperr0r]

I am for innovation! I liked it, I would still hang all the costs for their maintenance on criminals, even if the forced labor at the end of the term is added to it until they pay for food and communal services for their "free" imprisonment.

[ussrex]

About responsibility for the use of weapons. For example, a police officer made the assumption that he has the right to use a weapon, that he is facing a criminal. I used a weapon, harmed my health. And as a result an innocent person or his property suffered. Who should compensate for the harm suffered? I think the state that trained this policeman, instructed and empowered him. If the cop writes "War and Peace" after each touch of the weapon, you can not count on protection. Now, I will say, as a person who was related to the system, every employee who used weapons (almost regardless of the degree of legitimacy) needs a lawyer himself. Otherwise, it is very easy to share the bunk with the friends of the prisoner at which the employee shot.

[sds]

In general, this is exactly what is written in the civil code.

[bubalik]

ussrex (1) SU  Today, 09: 28 Now, I’ll say how a person related to the system, each employee who used weapons (almost regardless of the degree of legitimacy) himself needs a lawyer. Otherwise, it’s very easy to share the shkonka with friends of the lesson the employee shot at

,,, took out the barrel, shoot in the forehead, cynically however the only way to avoid share the shkonka with friends of the lesson the employee shot at,,, even if the weapon is legitimately used for all 200% ,,,

[bmv04636]

and if you look from the other side, if they throw an ax at the policeman or dozens of young men at two patrolmen, it’s probably better to give them the right to use service weapons, remember the story on the Moscow market when unarmed (supposedly) relatives arrived to detain the suspect for rape craniocerebral injury, and if he had not thought and applied the time-lumbago on the feeding limbs, he would have remained healthy. Our police do not have enough lethal stopping weapons such as shockers like ki cops

[BEGGAR]

They can already use weapons and special equipment in a mass or armed attack. They have a rule: if you shot someone without a weapon, do not forget to put a knife in the deceased's hand.

[Slavs69]

Let it be known to you, Beggar (by what?), That it is forbidden to use firearms in a mass gathering of citizens and do not confuse with an armed attack. Read the law "On the Police", and do not write detective novels, especially about putting a knife in the hand of the deceased.

[Revolver]

Quote: bmv04636

and if he had not thought and applied the time-sheet

Generally, I agree with you, except for one thing - "shooting through the limbs on the server." I shoot regularly, but I'm not sure if I will hit a limb even in a calm environment in the shooting range, and then there's the adrenaline. You need to shoot at the hull, but where exactly it hits - it's as lucky.

[evilrussian]

Obviously, legislation needs to be reviewed. And it’s better to change the system itself, because even if the policeman has the right to shoot, he will be afraid to do it, because
1) A bunch of red tape. Lots of
2) Deprivation of the premium
3) The authorities will eat afterwards for a year.
It is very hard for normal people to work in organs. Corruption, mutual responsibility, "cronyism" on positions. You can list it until the evening. All this must be eliminated.

[Stinger]

And I thought that it was Khinshtein who was making a scandal on the plane and was filming everything with his phone camera? It is now clear. I wanted to check the amendment "a policeman, using weapons, special equipment or physical force against a person who committed a crime, is not responsible for the injuries he received." Sorry failed.

[Cheldon]

Maybe not quite in the subject. In due time it was necessary to dismiss ensigns for discredit. And that, after a couple of months, requests came to give a description in connection with the device to the police. Once I got into a sobering-up station myself. Took up to hours. But I got a soul cap on duty and bargained for a bottle of brandy. Medvedev exceptionally wisely called them cops. But you could give a move and goodbye career. Not so bad.

[yana532912]

I will express my personal opinion, you can minus one. I like Khinshtein, but some guys from the security forces sometimes exceed their authority. Like every person, he (the silovik) wants to show his significance. Although everything could be solved peacefully. A very public, statesman, well, why provoke him, well, he drank, relaxed, so now he needs to be stoned, poisoned. I do not agree.

[Yaks]

Well, here it is important to understand that the security of citizens and the rights (freedoms) of citizens lie in opposite directions. If the police take away a number of powers to suppress illegal actions and thereby increase the freedom of citizens, the protection of citizens from criminal encroachments will decrease significantly. If on the contrary, the effectiveness of the police in matters of citizen safety will increase significantly. But the rights and freedoms of citizens decline because there will be more responsibilities to fulfill certain requirements of police officers

[Vend]

You quoted a Ukrainian proverb. Ukraine is going to the EU, ask about their police. And generally look at the global police legislative practice. Maybe the screech will be less.

[emotion]

already now garbage in their actions is in no way limited by anything. formally, of course, a citizen can complain to the prosecutor’s office or immediately to the court about their actions, but this is obviously futile. the court a priori “criticizes the applicant’s testimony (documents)” and “the court has no reason not to trust the testimony of a police officer”.

[Old Cynic]

garbage in their actions

Dear, "garbage" is just not left! There are policemen!

[Georgic]

Give Kinshtein the path of Kabalov!

[KUOLEMA]

They want to create another feeding trough for mediocrity and half-laborers, so tell me what the deputy chief of rear services is doing in the bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, what the delivery manager does in normal institutions so can remove stars from them and call them by their names

[chunga-changa]

I think St. Cynic proposes to patrol and detain at the same time the entire local court, together with the consultant St. Cynic, naturally. Whatever they decide on the spot and on the go, the criminal or not the criminal is the citizen who commits the crime. You can shoot the police or not. Then everything will be all right. That's about the damage, yes here. In my opinion, you should insure the police, or the local police department, against harm to third parties. They are not to blame for anything.
If you have already begun to live under the capitalism of the most terrible spill, then the police must be copied the most cruel, American. If a policeman points a gun and orders to do something or not to do something, any adequate person will obey, if this does not happen, then the person is considered inadequate and they will kill him. In America, the police shoot at any inadequate places, playing the role of orderlies.

[Old Cynic]

I think St. Cynic proposes to patrol and detain at the same time the entire local court, together with the consultant St. Cynic, naturally.

I understood a joke, funny.

[papa-billy]

Rumors are not enough to panic! Amendments, etc. a long process and one should not think that all changes are taken indiscriminately. The article resembles screaming "Chef, everything is lost"

[godun]

You want to say that gentlemen lawmakers, they think for a long time before pressing the button and that is why they were nicknamed "the mad printer"?

[Bashkaus]

Well, this is already a whirlwind!
Last year I had to go to Kiev, left the house, from the entrance to the metro station 200m, walked 100, stops the patrol.
I am an intelligent person, documents all matters, I understand the complexity of the work, but I am always interested in documents of an employee. And then this began ...
The lieutenant "very culturally" explained that I was wrong, the arguments that I was in a hurry for the train and the ticket only worsened the situation. The destination "Kiev" turned me into a subhuman, I could only give a damn about how they crawled into my bag (I also understand everything, the lack of attesting witnesses, reason and grounds for inspection and other legal aspects, while the mention of the law on police just in general caused a stupid misunderstanding of “what is it?” As a result, after finding a couple of jars of red caviar in a bag, the guys decided that I simply had to share or go to the department on suspicion of stealing phones! They took the bag, put it in the car and began to persistently offer to take a ride with them.
Of course, I drove to the department, but before that I called at 02 and said that some kind of pretzel that did not show documents in a car stylized "ala militia" with a license plate XXX, service number UUU took my things and are trying to take me away in an unknown direction. Then he sat in the car contentedly.
Of course, I was late for the train, but the effect was strong, although my opinion remained that such policemen’s grief should not be brought up in the legal framework with all that it implies, but should be driven into the asphalt in place, I think it’s more effective.
What am I doing? Proto in our country there can be no question of increasing the powers of police officers, i.e. the police.

[godun]

Unfortunately, this illegal behavior of the police gentlemen is the norm. And now, they want to legitimize this behavior, and it will turn out like in the fable "The Wolf and the Lamb", these amendments will untie the unclean hands of a certain number of employees who are not so tightly tied, and if in big cities you can still try to fight arbitrariness, then go to Zadrishchensk, the police will finally turn into a gang protected by law ...

[kapitan281271]

In my town near Pyatigorsk there is a city lake, I drove like a family drove in there twenty meters away, drunk in a belt, naked, and everyone on the PM belt turned out to be law enforcement officers. Having finished the latter, they crawled into their expensive foreign car and drove around the lake to take pictures stopping near each place where there was a subject of their search, the tragedy of the situation is that it is impossible to leave left or right from the road around the lake and now stopping again and saying greasy jokes a group of ub ludyuks with certificates and service weapons did not notice how a man with an 8-year-old child who had seriously rapped his leg stopped behind them, his father asked the villains for a long time to clear the way, but after receiving several dents, he grabbed the child and ran on foot to the taxi rank. Subsequently, one of the members of this organized crime group shot a teenager 15 years old in uniform and shot a hand to the second (the town is very small and I won’t translate the details of this case if I bring my hair up on end), he spent 3 years and after the court acknowledged (apparently there was no appeal or appeal) the lawyer can’t say for sure) about the legality of the use of weapons, it was restored in the organs and serves for the good of the Motherland now in the same town as ours, but 40 km from the place of the events described.

[alicante11]

[b] Comment of the Old Cynic: [/ b]
“And I, a sinner who has a second legal, firmly believed that only a court can call an individual a criminal in our beloved Russia. It turns out no! They will make amendments, and now every type with epaulets will be determined by its own eye, you are a criminal, or not. ”

First of all. Who told you that "every type with epaulets"? The court determines the criminal. It's just that if the court has determined a criminal, then there will be no more claims to the cops. And if the court acquitted you, then you can file a claim.
Secondly. Goblins in uniform, as they were, they will be so. They don’t care. But at the very least, normal cops will not, when detaining an explicit criminal, think how to detain him so that later they will not have trouble during the internal audit of the PRS, which will now be more difficult to carry out the plan at the expense of normal cops, and normal cops will be less likely to die.
The closest analogue that could be applied to civilians is the abolition of the concept of "necessary defense" when attempting to commit a crime against you personally. What all the right and left defenders have been shouting about for a long time.

[b] “Prepare the property for takeaway, dear compatriots! Your laptops, televisions, cars - everything will be written off to the account of “the performance of official duties.” [

If they can prove that it was necessary for the performance of official duties. For some reason, I strongly doubt that selling the dividend at the flea market, the cop will be able to prove that this is necessary to detain the criminal.

[b] Old Cynic Comment:
[/ b] “Do you have the right to remain silent until after two years you get a lawyer?”

And if you do not make jokes, but think. Here you are walking in the park in the evening, the PPP catches you, saying that you are a copy of the orientation to Vasya Pupkin, and without further ado, escorts you to the monkey house. As long as your identity is being established, then yes, you "take a steam bath". As it turns out, you are not Vasya Pupkin and they kick you in the ass from the department. Well, anything can happen; And after the introduction of the amendments, you should be officially informed that your face curve is similar to the equally curve face of Vasya Pupkin from the orientation. Naturally, your protest may not be heard by the cops, but others will surely be heard, who can become your witnesses when you complain about this lawlessness. Therefore, the cops will have two choices, or do not pay attention to your words, as now and when you leave, receive a disciplinary penalty, at least, or go not to the department, but to your home and see your passport. Whereas now, in principle, they are not obliged to explain to you why you were detained for 24 hours.

[b] Old Cynic Comment:
[/ b] “Get fucked! In! We’ve also planned a feeding trough !!! Is the PRS not enough? ”

Damn, you will not please. Either give me the 37th year, or you don’t like that they will dismiss corrupt officials without a trial. You already decide, or put on your pants or remove the cross.

[sds]

I want to note that police officers are not from Mars, not from the United States or China. They are our brothers, classmates, neighbors, sons-in-law, sons. Flesh from the flesh. What we are, so are they. They are worthless, and something is wrong with us.

[Old Cynic]

And if the court acquitted you, then you can make a claim.

And what is the stats about claims?

For some reason, I strongly doubt that selling the dividend at the flea market, the cop will be able to prove that this is necessary to detain the criminal.

And who will take it after presenting the certificate?

As it turns out, you are not Vasya Pupkin and you are being kicked in the ass from the department. Well, it happens, they overlooked it. And after the amendments are introduced, you should be officially informed that your curve face is similar to Vasya Pupkin’s same curve from orientation. Naturally, your protest may not be heard by the cops, but others will be heard for sure, who can become your witnesses when you complain about this mess.

And I don't want to be "kicked out of the department with a kick in the ass"! Maybe you like it? Then our views on maintaining law and order are fundamentally different.
And others will never intervene, because they do not have the desire to communicate with the system, and, in turn, to squeak a certain number of hours in the department. What country do you live in, Dear?

Damn, you will not please. Either give me the 37th year, or you don’t like that they will dismiss corrupt officials without a trial. You already decide, or put on your pants or remove the cross.

A link to my calls for the 37th year - IN THE STUDIO, you are our lying!

[alicante11]

And what is the stats about claims?

You were told above how it is now. Those. "the law enforcement officer is always wrong." If you have statistics that refute you, give it.

And who will take it after presenting the certificate?

PRS :).

And I don't want to be "kicked out of the department with a kick in the ass"! Maybe you like it? Then our views on maintaining law and order are fundamentally different.

So it is right now. But after entering the amendments, it will be fraught for goblins.

A link to my calls for the 37th year - IN THE STUDIO, you are our lying!

I’m talking about YOU in general - about LIBERASTS, and how can you divide it into 37th year-old or 37th year-old phage, these are deeply your problems.

[Old Cynic]

I’m talking about YOU in general - about LIBERASTS, and how can you divide it into 37th year-old or 37th year-old phage, these are deeply your problems.

In short, you have merged, you Young Guard is ours ... As it is familiar: instead of the answer - the transition to the person and a spray of saliva ... They did not answer a single question.

But after entering the amendments, it will be fraught for goblins.

Do you yourself believe in what you wrote, Orpheus?

[alicante11]

In short, you have merged, you Young Guard is ours ... As it is familiar: instead of the answer - the transition to the person and a spray of saliva ... They did not answer a single question.

Come on? There’s nothing to say, you won’t hide liberalism, you sewed it in a bag.

Do you yourself believe in what you wrote, Orpheus?

Yes, I understood, maybe, if you take the trouble to think, you will understand too.

[alicante11]

So, liberals, as always, prorolled, and merged. Well, it’s a matter of fact, answering specific questions is not scattering slogans.

[BEGGAR]

Give a couple of edros for re-education!

[akkash]

Where are links to articles by Yarovaya and Khinshtein? Where are the full quotes, not phrases torn from the text? Where is the evidence that this article is not unfounded?

[Old Cynic]

The new rules will be supplemented by the law on the police. Now law enforcement officers will be allowed to open fire without warning, open cars and shoot at the fairer sex if they have no "obvious signs of pregnancy."

The police have the right to shoot without warning now, but with reservations. This can be done if the suspect approaches the guard closer than the distance indicated by him, or tries to touch his weapon.

According to the new rules, this can be done if the suspect commits "other actions that give reason to regard them as a counteraction."

In addition, the police are now prohibited from shooting "in the presence of a significant crowd of citizens." They want to supplement this rule with an exception: "in conditions of reasonable risk".

It is worth noting that police officers will not be held liable for material or physical damage only if they act within the law. In the event of a deliberate crime, they bear "increased responsibility", RBC reports with reference to the text of the document.

New amendments to the law on police will be introduced to the State Duma by members of the security committee, which is headed by Irina Yarovaya.

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26247/3128182/

This is from a new one ... Look, find it!

[Nyrobsky]

All about human rights we care ??? Freedom of speech is not enough ??? Need democracy ??? Our, liberal-pro-Western legal public wants to see absolutely powerless police on pointe shoes, in ballet tutus with plastic water pistols. In their opinion, the police representatives, when arresting armed criminals, judging by the will of the liberal masses, should first of all die courageously, but in no case should they prevent the paintwork from being "scratched", like some Lexus, in which a lawyer or human rights activist, transports his ass. It turns out - that Lexus and "ass" are paramount - and the life of an employee is "secondary" ........ Or maybe you just need to have a society in which the rule of law and its observance by all citizens are ensured?

[provincial]

How tired you are of the sofa strategists.

[ivan.kormoran]

Finally WAIT.
YES, when the pedophile screams at a lawyer and don’t dare touch him?
When does an open homosexual do this in the square?
When do lesbians shit in the Temple?
And you, the author of the article, are writing in boiling water about the fact that you have a poster discrediting the country in which you were born / grew up and who fed you - will normal guardians of the law give IN THE Muzzle?
Yes, they waited, now it will be possible to engage in the prevention of this - drug addiction, drunkenness, etc. right without leaving the checkout!
You author really wants to see our youth on the streets with a cigarette in their mouth, with a bottle of beer in their hands on the streets, parks, playgrounds.
Hrenas to you !!!
Yes, they waited for you - 0,000001% of the population of the Russian Federation will beat the Muzzle for those DEMOCRATIC freedoms that you cultivate along with the Echo of Moscow and other small libelous editions.

[Old Cynic]

Drink valerian, take it easy!
All? Calm down? And now, read the point that you wrote again ... Maybe this time you will think.

write in boiling water about the fact that you have a poster discrediting the country in which you were born / grew up and who fed you - normal guardians of the law WILL GIVE IN THE Muzzle

Link to my statement, liar!

You author really wants to see our youth on the streets with a cigarette in their mouth, with a bottle of beer in their hands on the streets, parks, playgrounds.

Link, yap! I see this anyway, with the full connivance of these, as you put it, "normal guardians of the law"!

[Karabin]

And what else to expect from State Dura State Duma and its best people - United Russia?
Away shaggy hands from the Party of the People !!!

Zudin believes that at the meeting Putin proposed a new name for the party, describing it as a popular one. “The president did not just propose a new name for“ United Russia ”, he justified it - and justified it very convincingly,” said RIA Novosti political analyst.

[Stump]

Yeah, let's expand the powers of garbage ... So as in America, the cop shot a child with a toy gun because he seemed real to him.
All cops are bastards!

[monksm]

Hinstein was already enchanted by ideas and amendments ....

[tolancop]

I believe that the introduction of these amendments is long overdue. IMHO, now the most powerless of people is a policeman. He is entangled in instructions and restrictions from head to toe and every bast in his line. It is difficult to deal with the protection of citizens constantly thinking how not to "sit down" for some trifle. And it is as easy as shelling pears to "seat" a police officer if desired.
Opponents of the amendments raise a howl that police outrage will begin. I do not agree. The current restrictions do not interfere with the lawless men in uniform at all. There are no examples.
Of course, in the expansion of the rights of police there are certain negative aspects, but there are more positive ones, IMHO.

[kapitan281271]

I’m probably unlucky; there are several acquaintances, I emphasize the acquaintances of employees in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of more vile, unprincipled, greedy, mercantile people in my environment, it’s never been lucky for me. In recent years, the government and we society have created everything that would have turned the Ministry of Internal Affairs oh no where. I communicate with pensioners by some of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR and I wonder how people from another planet may need such amendments, but this is not.
PS Here in our small town the brand new Tayota was stolen by our prosecutors so they arranged it in a matter of hours, so if they wanted everything they had, they had enough power and all the means.

[sds]

I repeat, alicante11 above answered. Here you have a small town, which means that the local police are natives for the most part. So your relatives. Or relatives of your neighbors. Or relatives of neighbors of acquaintances. Studied with you at the same school. Communicated.
If they are bastards, then see above: bastards are your relatives. Or relatives of your neighbors. Or relatives of neighbors of acquaintances.
You made them yourself like that. They didn’t stop them in time, they didn’t make them in time. They are you.

[coserg 2012]

Quote: tolancop

I believe that the introduction of these amendments is long overdue. IMHO, now the most disenfranchised of people is a policeman. He is entangled in instructions and restrictions from head to toe, and he is bastard of every kind to him. Complicated

And I believe that the police never defended and do not protect people. They are people for them. They try to abide by the letter of the law, offending ordinary people, while taking advantage of any pretext. And what a miserable view they have when after leaving from the police department comes to work for you. We (ordinary citizens) are not people for them, but a means of enrichment. I judge this in my small homeland where I live.

[Captain45]

Quote: alex-s

Khinshtein is going to be deprived of parliamentary immunity for a brawl on an airplane forest! What the hell amendments from him ?! fool

Quote: kartalovkolya

So it’s because of this that he is trying to push through the Dragon amendments so that his balls are released!

I'm sorry, but were you there? Do you know the essence of the matter? Ah, they weren’t, they didn’t read, but we condemn! So why are you making decisions so easily? It might be worth stopping and thinking

[Captain45]

Quote: coserg 2012

And I believe that the police never defended and never protects people. They are people for them. They try to abide by the letter of the law, offending ordinary people, while under any pretext, extracting their own benefits. And what a miserable view they have when after leaving from ATS comes to get a job for you.

I will not say for the police, because I didn’t work in this structure. And about the police, I won’t answer. I don’t know how old you are, but it’s obviously much less than I worked in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and to say that the police did not protect ordinary people is just ridiculous. I I don’t presume to judge the Ministry, but simple cops from an ordinary police department always made people in the city and the region live quietly. Maybe this did not always work out, but the desire for it was always there.

[coserg 2012]

I’m only 57 years old. If you have worked so much, it’s certainly a lot. I don’t want to talk about the police here, but believe that I have a car and a truck, but who needs it. Personally, I am convinced that honest cops did not work for a long time. literally gnawed and rotts. And the desire was and is, I do not argue with this at all.