Polish Foreign Minister: Relations with the United States are useless and even harmful

22 June in the magazine “Vprost” published excerpts from statements by Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski, in which he called relations with the United States useless and even harmful for Poland, as they create a “false sense of security” and provoke conflicts with France, Germany and Russia, reports ITAR-TASS.

Statements by the head of the Polish diplomatic department commented on the Russian Foreign Ministry, noting that they speak of Sikorsky’s “political realism”.

“The essence of Sikorsky's statements speaks about his political realism. And the form in the form of using strong expressions in relation to the United States is probably a kind of response from Poland to insulting and rude remarks (US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria) Nuland addressed to the European Union, ”the ministry’s press service noted.

Meanwhile, the US State Department declined to comment on the statements of the minister.

"We will not comment on this," - said the official representative of the Ministry of Marie Harf.

According to the representative of the State Department, she is not going to talk about the publication, which is based on the illegal record of the negotiations, but in any case, all the statements made are not true.

“Whoever declares this is not true,” Harf said, adding that relations between Washington and Warsaw are “extremely strong” and they “strengthened even more during the crisis in Ukraine.” According to her, the relationship is “based on common interests and common values.”

Comments

[Yellow white]

Season 3 of the series "Real Suckers"

[armageddon]

Hmm ... THEM ... EVERYTHING IS AGAINST THE STATES POLICY: Nonsense and WRONG ... !!!

[comprochikos]

“Whoever claims it is not true”

Any facts about the machinations of the United States - this is not true

[Alez]

Victoria Nuland's answer now sounds like "FUCK the USA !!!

[1812 1945]

Quote: Black and White

Season 3 of the series "Real Suckers"

Here are the rams! Psaki should be asked to comment! More precisely, no one will say!

[Matroskin 18]

According to her, the relationship "is based on common interests and common values."

Amerikosov always present their interests as "common" ones!
Sikorsky - well done! Feel free to speak!

[Hariva]

Well done??? Oh well. Do you seriously think that he was confident in wiretapping, but in spite of this, he picked it up and boldly uttered it like that?

[herruvim]

But is he not a relative of the Russian Sikorsky that the helicopter invented, if so, then it’s clear how clever thoughts are in his head

[e_krendel]

"General" means "our personal" (Uncle Sam)

[PRN]

The policy of the State Department, without the financial and forceful pressure of amers, would lead to the fact that from the states they shied away from lepers!

[thimble]

Quote: PRN

State Department policy, without financial and force pressure

A real recorded conversation between Spaniards and Americans on the frequency "Extreme situations at sea"
navigation channel 106 in the Strait of Finisterra (Galicia). October 16, 1997

Spaniards: (background noise) ... says A-853, please turn 15 degrees south to avoid a collision with us. You are moving directly at us, a distance of 25 nautical miles.

Americans: (background noise) ... we advise you to turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision with us.

Spaniards: The answer is no. Repeat, turn 15 degrees south into
collision avoidance.

Americans (other voice): The captain of the ship of the United States of America speaks to you.
Turn 15 degrees north to avoid a collision.

Spaniards: We do not consider your proposal either possible or adequate, we advise you to turn
15 degrees south so as not to crash into us.

Americans (in elevated tones): CAPTAIN RICHARD JAMES HOWARD SPEAKING YOU WITH YOU
USS LINCOLN, Navy OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SECOND LARGER WAR
AMERICAN NAVY. We are escorted by 2 cruisers, 6 destroyers, 4 submarines and many
SUPPORT SHIPS. I DO NOT "ADVICE" YOU, I "ORDER" TO CHANGE YOUR COURSE BY 15 DEGREES TO THE NORTH.
OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE FORCED TO TAKE THE NECESSARY MEASURES TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR SHIP.
PLEASE IMMEDIATELY REMOVE OUR COURSE !!!!

Spaniards :: Juan Manuel Salas Alcantara speaks to you. We are 2 people. We are accompanied by our dog, dinner,
2 bottles of beer and a canary that is sleeping now. We are supported by the radio station "Cadena Dial de La Coruna"
and channel 106 "Extreme situations at sea". We're not going to turn nowhere, considering that we are
on land and we are the lighthouse of A-853 of the Finisterra Strait of the Galician coast of Spain. We have not the slightest
concepts of the largest place we occupy among the Spanish lighthouses. You can take all the fucking measures you
consider it necessary and do anything to ensure the safety of your eb..go ship that
smash into smithereens on the rocks. Therefore, we again strongly recommend that you do the most meaningful thing:
change your course 15 degrees south to avoid a collision.

Americans: Ok, accepted, thanks.

Relations with the USA are useless and even harmful

[xbhxbr-777]

Well, to the very point !!! It seems that in the states all the hounds!

[siberko]

Poland has always dealt with obedience, here is another case .... disgusting

[1-Patriot]

Tired of the deceitful / vile policy of 2 standards!

that's why the voice of reason sounds!

[222222]

Bretton Woods II and George Soros
Valentin Katasonov
http://www.fondsk.ru/news/2014/06/24/bretton-vuds-ii-i-dzhordzh-soros-28051.html

http://www.fondsk.ru/

[Barboskin]

The scales of world influence are outweighed in the direction of the United States. But they began to hesitate. So far, not much, but everything is ahead.

[comprochikos]

Yes, all these NATO sixes are well aware of the dangers of relations with the United States, just as the sorry-tutu understands its unenviable position with a pimp.

[vorobey]

Europe is now like an honest courtesan. In the soul itself, it is painfully disgusting and unpleasant, but in fact it is necessary to appease. Why all this?


I liked how ours smeared it. And what about marie harf now instead of our beloved woman?

[Alf]

Quote: vorobey

. And what about marie harf now instead of our beloved woman?

No, she complements the psaku. This is a duet!

[Giant thought]

The mattresses received a bite from their shav.ki, which is extremely unexpected for them and therefore very unpleasant.

[smart75]

The Russian Foreign Ministry cynically reacted to a statement by the Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski about relations between Warsaw and Washington that appeared on the Internet.

"The essence of Sikorsky's statements talks about his political realism... And the form in the form of using strong expressions against the United States is, probably, a kind of Poland's response to offensive and rude statements (by US Secretary of State Victoria's Adviser) Nuland to the European Union, "the Russian Department of Information and Press commented.

[skullcap]

This leak suggests that even the Polish leadership has enough intelligence to properly assess the situation.
The tragedy of Poland is that this guide does not have the power of will to correct this situation.

[Wedmak]

I am amazed how the United States has not yet become entangled in its own lies and double standards. However, sometimes this can be seen, for example, Psaki.

[vorobey]

Quote: Wedmak

I am amazed how the United States has not yet become entangled in its own lies and double standards. However, sometimes this can be seen, for example, Psaki.

who said they were not confused. They already lolit according to the situation and immediately think about the maz. Previously, there were no press secretaries who explained what this or that senator from the authorities meant.

[xbhxbr-777]

And rightly so!

[xbhxbr-777]

The fact of the matter is that they are confused! They lie to themselves and, most importantly, that they believe in this lie!

[rasputin17]

According to her, the relationship "is based on common interests and common values."

Interests and values ​​in this case, America and Poland will pay for them!

[Antor]

Their people will be paid, which in case of military conflicts or God forbid, nuclear war will receive in full!
Sikorsky, although he is completely pro-Western, understands that by deploying missile defense and American soldiers in Poland, Poland is not becoming a virtual target for Russian nuclear missiles, but a real one, to destroy! They need it! ?? Sikorsky does not like Russia, but he loves his Poland and he is far from being a stupid person, a diplomat, so as not to understand the harm of their foreign policy under the leadership of the United States. Those overseas, and these are near us and they will have to die first for Uncle Sam, that's all arithmetic! They need it! ?? In general, he said as a man, in essence, but well, they didn’t even allow it because of their tolerance — in their gay culture, these are flowers!

[crambol]

in any case, all statements made are not true.

This once again confirms that the foundation of American politics is LIES!

[Sashko]

The Americans, as always, "I see nothing, I hear nothing" if this is inconvenient for them. Poles - "the patient is rather alive". With one caveat - without the Americans, everyone who is at the helm of power would not be at the very helm ...

[Prometey]

The destruction of US influence in Europe will begin with the strengthening of Russian-Polish relations. This is a very complex process, but it is necessary. Poland and Russia have rather large mutual economic interests. Yes, and it's time to get rid of mutual historical grievances (after all, they got rid of the Finns).

[Wedmak]

Yes, and it's time to get rid of mutual historical grievances (after all, they got rid of the Finns).

Well, they cursed a couple of times with the Finns, then the deal ended. But we’ve been battling with Poland for a couple of centuries; something has never been received from them about friendship and mutual assistance at the official level.

[Prometey]

Quote: Wedmak

But we’ve been battling with Poland for a couple of centuries; something has never been received from them about friendship and mutual assistance at the official level.

Yes, friendship is hardly necessary and possible, and the process of political and economic rapprochement is quite real. The idea of ​​a fix is ​​to squeeze out an American missile defense system from there. And by the way, with the help of Poland you can keep Ukraine on a short leash.

[P-38]

The destruction of US influence in Europe will begin with the strengthening of Russian-Polish relations. This is a very complex process, but it is necessary.

Forgive me, Prometey, but I don't believe that. I really want to soften relations with Poland, and not only with it. But there is a huge percentage of the population brought up in hatred of Russians and Russia. And the press, which, like almost everywhere in Europe, is working out Amer’s money. Although I really want you to be right, not me

[Prometey]

Quote: P-38

I really want to soften relations with Poland, and not only with it. But there is a huge percentage of the population brought up in hatred of Russians and Russia.

Well, I say, this is not a momentary process. And about the hatred of the Russians. At least half of the population is neutral. My sister often goes on business trips there, she says that she has not met any anger.

[Alf]

Quote: Prometey

. My sister often goes on business trips there, she says that she has not met any anger.

The thing is that in Poland and the Baltic countries there are a lot of sane people who do not harbor malice both in Russia and in other countries.
There are not so many haters of ruson, but they stink, as they say, "for themselves and that guy." We also have a lot of liberal vonism, but in reality these goldsmiths are few.
And the position of Poland testifies only to the stupidity of those in power. After all, if you went under the roof of the "big boy", then this is not a reason to run into others. Very often the "big boys" agree among themselves and hand over the whole shushe.ru.

[xbhxbr-777]

And you really are wrong! On the contrary, most of the population of Poland, especially middle-aged people, are very loyal to Russia, and many even love Russia, because, like many roots from Russia, we served there, and I know that for sure!

[Alf]

Quote: xbhxbr-777

And you really are wrong! On the contrary, most of the population of Poland, especially middle-aged people, are very loyal to Russia, and many even love Russia, because, like many roots from Russia, we served there, and I know that for sure!

And what am I wrong in? What you said, I wrote in other words.

[Wedmak]

It is a pity that very few European politicians suffer from political realism. And their voices just drown in the choir of US vassals.

[arch_kate3]

Perhaps the events in Ukraine Poles taught something (good) ?!

[regul10108]

Even if Poland begins to reduce the amplitude of its tail wagging towards Amers, then Amers should think very hard (if there is anything) about their influence in Geyrop.

[lexxxus]

Relations with the U.S.

- this is a deal with the devil!

[Mihail177]

"I do not believe." (c) There is no faith in the hypocritical Lyakhs and other Balts.

[siberalt]

A man will be fired for the truth. And Poland will remain as it was.

[valday]

Even if it’s too late, it starts to reach.

[Vend]

And what else did the US have to answer? What are they aggressors and other countries and politicians for them are rubbish and no match? Although half underground, Sikorsky had the courage to cast his voice.

[Kuvabatake]

According to her, the relationship "is based on common interests and common values."

What can be the common interests and values ​​of two completely different countries located on different ends of the planet? Fans of same-sex friendship?

[Vtel]

Such is their 6th share, they do not have time to bend, and the poor one has broken down - he has spoken.

[APS]

Harf - "I'm not guilty!"

[Egen]

"The essence of Sikorski's statements speaks of his political realism. And the form in the form of using strong expressions against the United States is probably a kind of Poland's response to the offensive and rude statements of (US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria) Nuland to the European Union."

- yeah, what, penetrated and got ?! Well then, well done Poles, Welkam to the Slav brothers

[Gorbtk]

Yes, really .. the same does not happen. dad is usually thrashed in a crowd, and then the Poles in one mug ran into the "breadwinner". Something is not all exactly in the Danish kingdom ...

[Minsk]

Feel that he "negotiate"! Again the Polish plane may fall.

[olegkrava]

Quote: Armagedon

Hmm ... THEM ... EVERYTHING IS AGAINST THE STATES POLICY: Nonsense and WRONG ... !!!

If the Americans said that this is not true, then this is true.

[johnsnz]

Let Psaka comment !!! She will say that he did not mean the USA at all

[subbtin.725]

Quote::
“Whoever declares this is not true,” Harf said, adding that relations between Washington and Warsaw are “extremely strong” and they “strengthened even more during the crisis in Ukraine.” According to her, the relationship is “based on common interests and common values.”


AND EVERYTHING SHORTLY "BELIEVED" ".

[Yura]

Quote: subbtin.725

AND EVERYTHING SHORTLY "BELIEVED" ".

And what is surprising is even herself.

[Semurik]

Well done, neighbors))))
how beautifully and on time they shoved everyone, so that by winter they would be the first in line to stand for gas)))

[klavyr]

that’s how the NSA can substitute anyone ... but here everything is clear: they say not what they think and think not what they say. and this eavesdropped conversation - thoughts out loud, and these thoughts are close to the truth, only they cannot be said out loud - America will not like

[propolsky]

Is that what the blind saw or another setup for Russia?

[Alexandr73]

It seems to me that in a private conversation, any European politician still cannot say that. He did not know that the conversation was being written. But aloud and to the public he says something completely different. The reason is that the United States holds them all by their balls or by their pocket or something else. So they lick the "back wall of the barracks" and compete with each other.
Even Psaki is far from stupid. (she just can't be). It's just that under the guise of a stupid it is easier to carry the nonsense that it carries. And so she said that it is not refugees who go to Russia from Ukraine, but tourists to breathe in the mountainous clean Rostov air - and it is wonderful, and all at once "ah - she does not know geography," how illiterate. We are discussing her illiteracy - and millions of viewers have heard that there are no refugees, there are tourists. A smart person cannot say that. And it's easier to mow for a fool.

[Iline]

Waiting for comments psaki. not sick. accidentally. Long time did not amuse the audience.

[hooligan]

Poland, a prostitute country will hold the strong side.

[mackonya]

Many people hate their "boss" behind the eyes, and this applies to many countries.

[Dbnfkmtdbx]

I’m what I think where America is there, there’s a war, they earn more money from them, they don’t know anything, it’s time to all who they bother to unite to ask all of them completely, but what is mine, where is there some kind of revolution or an incomprehensible war, even for \ those who are fighting, or let's stir up something for them, for example, blacks and Indians, we will finance and arm them, and what’s the problem with mine

[thrower]

A diplomat should never forget that he is a diplomat. And a diplomat should use only diplomatic expressions in his speech. Although they can mean exactly what Sikorsky, Nuland and Deshchitsa said.

V. Pelevin already wrote about this:

Any diplomatic or journalistic discourse always has two levels:

1) external, formal factual (geopolitical),
2) "essential" - the real energetic content of the discourse, metatext.

Manipulation of facts is simply the external design of the energy essence of each statement. Imagine, for example, that a Baltic diplomat tells you at an embassy reception:

- Stalin, in a broad historical perspective, is the same as Hitler, and the USSR is the same as fascist Germany, only with an Asian touch. And Russia, as the legal successor to the USSR, is fascist Germany today.

At the essential energy level, this phrase has approximately the following projection:

"Roly, get up with cancer. I will ride you to Europe, and you will clean my shoes for ten euro cents a day."

At the same level, the answer, of course, is this:

"Suck, swamp, then I'll pour you some oil - and if you suck well, maybe I'll buy some sprat from you. And because you had your own SS legion, the Jews will have you in a shit for a hundred years, and so you need it. "

But at the geopolitical level, the essential response is projected like this:

- Sorry, but this is a rather primitive concept. The Soviet Union during the Second World War bore the brunt of the fight against Nazism, and at present Russia is the most important economic partner of a united Europe. And any attempt to question the liberation mission of the Red Army is a criminal shamelessness, as disgusting as the denial of the Holocaust.

The traditional misfortune of Russian diplomacy is the confusion of discourse levels. Our diplomat would most likely answer precisely at the energy level - because that is how the response is born in the soul. But diplomatic skill is to carefully reflect the essential response that is born in the heart, and then with a smile translate it into an impeccable geopolitical language.

Some believe that an immediate transition to the essential level of communication is not a disaster, but just the strength of our diplomacy (Lavrov). But this is imperial. approach of the last century, due great number of tanks. division to Europe. Now out of date.
Diff. diploma school.


Taken from here: http://oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051613812

[thrower]

Continued:

Homework.

1) Transfer from the geopolitical to the essential the following dialogue of American (A) and Russian (P) diplomats:

A .: - Russia is not democracy and never has been - and Russian statehood from the thirteenth to twenty-first century is constantly mimicking and trying to arm itself with the latest technology, the Mongol-Tatar yoke.
R .: - Sorry, but this is a rather primitive concept. The Soviet Union during the Second World War bore the brunt of the struggle against Nazism, and then created a nuclear shield, which was impossible without a temporary restriction of rights and freedoms. And about the vaunted American democracy, everyone knows that it is just a fig leaflet covering up the criminal shamelessness of the Wall Street mafia, as disgusting as Holocaust denial, and everyone knows about it. And you can't even talk about it out loud.

2) You are present at the dispersal of an unauthorized rally in Moscow. A member of the European Parliament, who is in the same place, is turning to you with a request to comment on the restriction of your freedom he has witnessed. You get the following answer at the essential level:

"My, freedom is not limited by the rubbish who come here once a month to screw three Jews and one homosexual who live off this for two hours in front of ten television cameras, but just your fucking European Parliament, because of which I need as the last for a cocksucker to collect paperwork for a visa for weeks, and then sit for three hours in a queue where there is nowhere to piss, but Vivaldi plays to invest his own hard-earned euros, with which, by the way, tomorrow he knows what will happen in your fat Greeks and sweaty Italians - yes if you go with your Baltic sprots and Polish potato eaters, I'd rather take my money to Brazil or Hong Kong, or somewhere else where they won't piss me in the face at the entrance, okay? "

Task: translate into geopolitical, removing the hate speech elements. Read with a hypocritical smile.

Taken from here: http://oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051613812

[theadenter]

If, as a result of Russia's actions, there is a rethinking of relations with the United States, then Putin is on the right track.

[Yura]

Quote: theadenter

If as a result of Russia's actions there is a rethinking of relations with the United States

I would add to this that the rethinking of relations is also a result of US actions, a comparison gives the result that was voiced by the Polish Foreign Minister.

[theadenter]

So, after all, the USA manages to dissipate the world and pour sand into everyone’s eyes.
With the help of Russia, a little progress has gone, with a systematic reminder to the world of our position. You just need to prove yourself fair and able to protect the world (or that the United States really does not want to protect anyone), and then the world will slowly begin to fall off the sandbox of a spoiled child in the person of the United States. IR this will not come all at once, but this should be sought.

[goose]

Quote: Wedmak

Yes, and it's time to get rid of mutual historical grievances (after all, they got rid of the Finns).

Well, they cursed a couple of times with the Finns, then the deal ended. But we’ve been battling with Poland for a couple of centuries; something has never been received from them about friendship and mutual assistance at the official level.

Excuse me, the state of the Republic of Finland, if I was not mistaken, was formed in 1918. Poland is also not a political long-liver, but it still has a history several times longer than Finland.

[thrower]

Actually, Poland has a history of existence comparable to Russia (Russia), and all this time Poland and I were sometimes adversaries, sometimes enemies, sometimes allies (1 2 army of the Polish Army, Warsaw Treaty), and before the First World War, one state.

[kowalski]

"shared values"
The common values ​​of Poland and the USA are hatred of Russia ...
People's Gazprom omen: "If in the summer Poland starts blowing in the ass of Russia and crap on" partners "- it will be a cold winter" ...

[Serg7281]

And what else can the State Department say? If he is offended, he thereby admits that NATO unity is a soap bubble. So it remains to pretend that everything is fine in the Oblomovs' house, although the hallway has already burned down.

[leonar]

If this is Sikorsky’s real statement, it’s nice that Poland is starting to move away from the drug addiction of the United States of America. Indeed, friendship with it leads to one loss and suffering. It's time for the whole world to show FUCK the USA !!!

[thrower]

It is not at all a matter of Poland’s friendship with the United States or Europe, it’s the worldview of the Poles who consider themselves the center of the earth. This exceptional trait, it can be called stubbornness or obstinacy. Positive in obstinacy - Poles are wonderful soldiers: The Battle of Kroyant http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C1%EE%E9_%EF%EE%E4_%CA%F0%EE%FF%ED%F2%E0% EC% E8.
Negative: sections of Poland, the death of their president near Smolensk during a plane crash, etc.

[vic.danilow2014]

Really, at least someone began to realize that the United States is an abscess on the body of the earth, which must be removed once and for all. They have a life credo, someone to screw up their existence. I can’t wait until they start to drive them around the world.

[Case48]

"The trail has started, gentlemen of the jury", next in line is France, Germany. I'm tired of IMHO, better "I think so"

[Sergey Medvedev]

Эти высказывания Сикорского, всего лишь запись кухонного разговора, не предназначенного для широкой публики. Сикорский в этом не одинок. Многие в Европе на публике США хвалят, а на кухне хают. Хаять США в открытую позволяют себе только некоторые отставные политики, как бывший французский президент. И ещё очень далеко до того момента, когда кухонные настроения европейских элит станут официальными. Все смотрят на Россию. А мы вопрос ребром пока не ставим, а пора бы.

[StepanovTDSM]

Когда Америка прислушивалась к чужим интересам. Она блюдет только свои интересы. Ей лубоко плевать на все остальное.

[Ajent cho]

Давай, Радослав! Жги дальше!

[Everest2014]

Если вы думаете, что так думает только Польша, то вы глубоко ошибаетесь.
Профессор Майкл Чосудовски (Michel Chossudovsky), утверждает что BBC пляшет под дудку госдепа поддерживая неонацистов уркаины. Более подробно на английском языке можно прочитать на одном из канадских ресурсов по ссылке:
http://www.globalresearch.ca
/the-bbc-supports-ukraines-neo-nazis/5383112
И его статей там много по поводу всей этой кровавой заварухи на Украине.