Russia rolled on a sloping ...

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Russia rolled on a sloping ...


Read in the newsthat negotiations began in Donetsk with those who arranged Khatyn in Odessa. Among others, Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov is reportedly involved in these negotiations.

Legally, the Russian ambassador is Russia itself. Russia sank to negotiations with those whose ideological instigators were executed by the verdict of the Nuremberg Tribunal. Russia indicated that it considers the frankly-fascist Kiev junta its equal interlocutor.

And this is after Slavyansk and Odessa. This is after the five-year-old child agonizing on the operating table and his killed mother. After tears, the 80-year-olds do not understand how they were again in 1940's in their last years.

I am a simple person, not very well versed in political intrigues, but a little able to read between the lines. Many reasons for what happened, and even more options for what will happen. At the moment, I see that Russia, strenuously declaring its resurgent power, is in fact nothing really effective, except empty diplomatic words, it cannot show to the world.

Many will consider me a sort of dreamer, but ... Who prevented Russia from putting at least a couple of missiles (not nuclear, of course) to the concentration points of the Ukrainian National Guard under the wounded Russian citizens on the Ukrainian-Russian border? Israel, I remember, always responds to such incidents appropriately. For this he is respected all over the world.

It makes no sense, I think, to further develop my thoughts, which, I am sure, are similar to the thoughts of many readers of my lines.

Over the past 10-15 years which only countries, from the USA to Israel, have not used their own armed forces behind their borders for the sake of their interests. And only Russia remains a “dormant bear.” And the longer the bear slumbers, the greater the likelihood that the hunters will not allow him to finally wake up.
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  1. +98
    24 June 2014 08: 03
    The boss is all gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving ...
    I’m wondering - the author himself is ready to go to war in Ukraine ??? And to send their children to fight ??? And while their residents of Southeast, for example, Kharkov citizens are working properly, they stamp the junta’s weapons in 3 shifts ...
    Putin does the right thing - first you need to use all other ways !!!
    1. +4
      24 June 2014 08: 04
      Read my mind.
      1. +1
        24 June 2014 10: 39
        A bad world is better than a good war.
        1. +14
          24 June 2014 11: 35
          Quote: Canep
          A bad world is better than a good war.

          Well, yes, well, yes, let them just not beat
          1. +13
            24 June 2014 12: 04
            Quote: sssla
            Well, yes, well, yes, let them just not beat


            IMHO whatever happens, no matter how anyone behaves, including our leadership — our task, the task of the Russian patriots — to help Strelkov and his militia in every way! With everything we can - finance, equipment, medicine, food, ourselves if we are in shape!
            For only he and his riflemen in whom you can believe today!
            1. -8
              24 June 2014 12: 44
              Quote: Rus2012
              Quote: sssla
              Well, yes, well, yes, let them just not beat


              With everything we can - finance, equipment, medicine, food, ourselves if we are in shape!
              For only he and his riflemen in whom you can believe today!


              Have you already gathered?
              1. +5
                24 June 2014 12: 55
                Quote: pazuhinm
                Have you already gathered?

                Yes! To the best of our ability ... both materially and supply ...
              2. +2
                24 June 2014 14: 36
                "Have you already gathered yourself?" ---- Why go somewhere, they will deliver you to your house.
              3. +1
                26 June 2014 22: 04
                And yourself? What a statement, fake the commentator. If there is nothing to say in essence, be silent. Or koment for the sake of koment. If of course you are already there, or in some way helping, praise you. I myself sent a honestly earned thing, a little, so to speak, but at least something. So, as we said at school, uncle do not teach how to live, show how to.
            2. +1
              24 June 2014 17: 44
              Quote: Rus2012
              IMHO whatever happens, no matter how anyone behaves, including our leadership — our task, the task of the Russian patriots — to help Strelkov and his militia in every way! With everything we can - finance, equipment, medicine, food, ourselves if we are in shape!

              This case
          2. +3
            24 June 2014 12: 27
            Another couch militarist. In Ukraine, several million people with outstripped brains. Let them starve for at least a few months - they will not die of course, but they will make it clear in their head. And there simply will not be anyone to fight with. And criminals, ideological fascists need not be destroyed by carpet bombing - this is not our method. They should not get a random bullet, but a show trial before the whole world. But the world is not yet ready for such a development of events.
            1. GRune
              +10
              24 June 2014 12: 49
              Hunger will not clarify anything in their brains, since Putin and Putin personally were to blame for their hunger ... Even that they will not be to blame for them in Europe and NATO !!!
              1. +5
                24 June 2014 13: 03
                Do not tell me - if your nerves are strong - read their forums, blogs and articles - in my opinion, there are two directly opposite tendencies - someone is coming in more and more, but there are also sensible "reflections", but only gas has risen in price. If the Polish Foreign Minister has seen his sight (and she’s still Nida), we must be patient and it’s important that peaceful people do not die at this time - much can be sacrificed for this. And to endure does not mean to eat chips while sitting on the couch in front of the TV, but to think .... After all, you still have to fight - but only together with the Ukrainians who have recovered their sight against their own homegrown monsters.
                1. 0
                  24 June 2014 13: 17
                  give a link to their forums
                2. +5
                  24 June 2014 14: 36
                  I communicate with the Ukrainians on the Internet, my relatives there (Odessa, Odessa region), and not only. In nete, only a few see something there, the rest of the mustache in order and calls to visit. To our fears - yes, you have collapsed with an oak, we are waiting with all open arms we are all hurt.

                  Another example from communication on the network is a friend who sees that something is not in order, sees it from his side of the border, and even in Belarus they consider us aggressors. Not all, but those with whom I communicate for sure. And all the Russian media consider the false propaganda paid by the Kremlin. At the suggestion, we ourselves search in nete, analyze and compare - no, but why not ... probably scary.

                  The result is no argument or belief to challenge their point of view. Only quarrel to the bone. A lot of friends have real estate (rich) in Ukraine, and they do business in Russia and at the same time absorb and support anti-Russian sentiments. Accordingly, they quarreled with relatives and friends.

                  Regarding the hunger that sets the brains straight, or what other bills are to pay, it’s complete rubbish, I remember in the 90s brains were full of what to eat, but where to get the money, and who was to blame was looking for a well-fed, drunken head in the kitchen, but this quickly passed with a hangover and new hunger.

                  Considering that at the same time everything is constantly running on TV, there is no need to search for a search vector, it has already been set for a long time.

                  PS Here I recently read an article by an "intellectual" who allegedly repents in the article, talks about rethinking his position in relation to Russians ... But I read the whole article about what kind of shit they think we are, but there are no refutations. The result of the "article of repentance" in the last paragraph is three lines - and that which is disgusting. Well, they say they are not right in anger, well, do not be angry. Can we reconsider the attitude? Do not reconsider, well, okay ... And eat the fish and do not stain the frying pan. Ugh.
                  1. +4
                    24 June 2014 22: 59
                    Quote: Lapotnik
                    A lot of friends have real estate (rich) in Ukraine, and they do business in Russia and at the same time absorb and support anti-Russian sentiments. Accordingly, they quarreled with relatives and friends.


                    I myself am a Ukrainian, and before the Maidan I managed to get my family out of Kiev. Thanks to the Russians, they helped, as much as they could, until he got himself settled. Although he could live as long as necessary, the Russians are hospitable and kind. Unfortunately, Ukraine takes advantage of this ... in a word, parasites and freeloaders.

                    And about the anti-Russian mood, I agree with you. And those who are deprived of this mood are fighting with weapons for independence in the southeast.
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            2. +2
              24 June 2014 17: 47
              Quote: Akulina
              They should not get a random bullet, but a show trial before the whole world.

              While the essence of the matter and the road to the execution corridor, how many civilian deaths will be at the hands of law enforcement officers and banderlogs ???
            3. +2
              24 June 2014 19: 12
              "this is not our method" - smiled, although just right to feel sad ...
              "They should not get an accidental bullet, but a show trial before the whole world" - yes, you, my friend, double sofa idealist (s) ...
              "But the world is not yet ready for such a development of events." - Yes? and when will it be ready? and will it be ready at all? and what, in your opinion, the development of events that same "world" should see)
              You, Akulina (I am not personally acquainted with you, therefore I do not know whether you are a man or a woman) - an idealist (I would even say a naive "fairy-tale-believing"), labeling, sofa optimist (fabulous)
              and, YES: I myself put up labels, also an idealist ... well, the same sofa ..............
            4. 0
              24 June 2014 23: 27
              There is such a term in medical medicine as fasting.
            5. 0
              26 June 2014 22: 09
              Not clear. I don’t know what you want them to understand, but they will invest what the junta needs. Namely, Russia is to blame for your troubles. Yesterday I talked with one client, he has a cousin in Ukraine. He called to ask how it was there, and she said that they would go to war with us, we, all their life, had been guilty of them. And a year and a half ago, he was resting at their place. And he was a beloved brother. So, until we personally remove the blockage, they won’t change their minds there.
        2. +8
          24 June 2014 12: 26
          Quote: Canep
          A bad world is better than a good war.

          But sometimes a good scuffle is useful for setting brains.
        3. -1
          24 June 2014 14: 05
          I apologize at the beginning for posting. But the fact that the Internet does not pull.
          These are such evil Ukrainians, Russaks are being destroyed ... They don’t give a damn, obscene, they want to get rid of the old government who was corrupt. Another question, what if they succeed? Someone will say that these are US machinations, but there’s a moment when people get tired of corruption, Yes there is the so-called democracy.
          From myself I wish PEACE in UKRAINE!
          PSIf Russia does not assist in guiding the WORLD, then after 2024, well, I don’t see Russia within its former borders, much will change. P. Globa tells the same thing to someone. smile "the cards don't fit like that" - the kortoko is just below the back.
          1. -5
            24 June 2014 15: 38
            I’ll add to the minus. smile
            What do you think Novorossia will be part of the Russian Federation, I’ll trump you, the Eurasian Economic Community is hacking.
            All the "body movements" in the southeast of Ukraine, no matter what they enter into NATO. Crimea, well, supposedly the Russian Federation, we think, but economically grandmothers will not invest. A new group of Slavs will be drawn, west of the Ural Mountains, a republic of 100 population, not old so 25.
            It is a pity for you, although you and others "reduced" just do not star that civilization has brought, you are not British.
            As they say, WHAT TO VISIT AND REAP, not much is left.
            And I advise you to relax, so that it would not look like wear. smile
            And they could purely humanly "dilute" all the questions. The past does not allow to see.
            1. +1
              24 June 2014 17: 53
              Quote: marshes
              It is a pity for you, although you and others "reduced" just do not star that civilization has brought, you are not British.

              Laughing or crying is the question of questions !!! Tell the ignoramus to whom the British brought civilization! ???
              1. -4
                24 June 2014 18: 14
                Quote: sssla
                Tell the ignoramus to whom the British brought civilization! ???

                Roughly, your fuse is clear.
                Surprisingly, while the Soviets did not poke their head in Afghanistan, life was normal there. There is a photo of life under the Shah
                , Hong Kong do not live badly, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, even South Africa ... And others included in the British community, except AFGHANISTAN well who was there laughing It’s good that my father is alive and I watched the whole bacchanalia in the year 1997 in Tajikistan, through Pyadzh.
                So catch up.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teaGlOwX19c
            2. 0
              24 June 2014 18: 28
              except cleverness, zero information, take pity on yourself
              1. -1
                24 June 2014 18: 45
                Quote: Victorio
                except cleverness, zero information, take pity on yourself

                But what do you feel sorry for yourself, a feeling of chill on the back, some of which have different ways. I'm already under forty, a live pancake smoking room laughing , I just understand what people faced. Afghanistan- after 2000 .....
                I’m looking at the flag from Latvia, there is a desire to go.
                So I can briefly consider places of rest. laughing
        4. 0
          24 June 2014 18: 57
          Known and CORRECT expression.
          But what about HONOR, how DIGNITY, how RUSSIANS DO NOT THROW OWNERS - just words .......?
          1. -1
            24 June 2014 19: 07
            Quote: juneart
            Known and CORRECT expression.
            But what about HONOR, how DIGNITY, how RUSSIANS DO NOT THROW OWNERS - just words .......?

            It turns out so ..., they didn’t throw in those days where there were no Russians.
            strange it turns out, Ukrainians, Kazakhs and other nationalities were and there were no Russians, this is after the 40-80s, the activities of special services. Well, how else to explain, even in Lebanon they were not, Asians of which you do not like doing things.
        5. +2
          25 June 2014 00: 51
          Quote: Canep
          A bad world is better than a good war.

          Not always. Amputation of an infected gangrene of the leg is painful, but it needs to be done.
          Israel, I remember, always responds to such incidents appropriately. For this he is respected throughout the world.

          I never loved Jews, but I respect them for that. Defending their interests, their state and their people will stop at nothing (just recall the recent incident on the Syrian border).
      2. +1
        24 June 2014 10: 39
        Does the author want to fight to the last resident?
        Bloodthirsty some kind of author ....
        Well, in response, you can certainly shoot
        1. WKS
          +1
          24 June 2014 11: 27
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Does the author want to fight to the last resident?
          Bloodthirsty some kind of author ....

          The author is simply an irresponsible instigator. Russia, unlike Israel, cannot bombard Russian people even if they are so far mistaken. It cannot for the simple reason that even now, when Russia cannot be blamed for more than one fact of participation in the Ukrainian conflict, Russia is reproached by everyone who is not lazy in this participation, thus zombifying the Russian population of Ukraine. And if you throw a couple of cruise missiles from Russian territory at the concentration of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as the author suggests, then the Ukrainian army, who does not want to fight now, will begin to do so with fury and frenzy. There are other ways to achieve the desired result; these methods are now being implemented by the Russian leadership.
          1. +4
            24 June 2014 11: 55
            The guy is not an irresponsible instigator, but simply on emotions he goes off scale and does not remember that there is a gap of one generation between the single nation "Soviet people" and the society of Ukraine and Russia. And it is this generation that cuts the layer of unity between Russia and Ukraine and is the breeding ground from which modern Nazis grow.

            And yes, Russia is to blame, for it knew and allowed this Russophobia and anti-Russian propaganda all these 23 years, in the entire post-Soviet space. And it is precisely these young people who make up 70% of today's conscripts and military men of draft age, and 90% of the National Guard and make up about 8 million people. Obviously, such declared actions by you as an automatic declaration of war of Russia with the full support of the United States. Are you personally (to the author of the article) ready to stand under the gun for your statements? Or do you hope that someone’s children should answer for your words?
            1. +2
              24 June 2014 14: 52
              Quote: Deff
              Are you personally (to the author of the article) ready to stand under the gun for your statements? Or do you hope that someone’s children should answer for your words?

              Ready. Immediately upon receipt of the summons.
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            3. 0
              24 June 2014 15: 06
              "And yes, Russia is to blame," --- Russia is not to blame, the authorities are to blame. After 91, the government is essentially anti-people, it serves the oligarchs, which means divide and rule, so it divides. The authorities do not notice the hostile attitude towards Russia not only in the CIS countries, but also inside Russia, otherwise they would not condone the manifestation of extremism in some of their own republics. So everything goes from here, the raven will not peck out a crow's eyes, the rest is from the evil one. We will wait for trouble on our own doorstep, we have learned to divide the power, but there is no foresight. Above there was a comment on how to bomb your own people even if they are mistaken, and so trouble will come to your own doorstep, the enemy must be destroyed to the seventh knee, to hell with kindred blood - an apple does not feed far from an apple tree, a complete cleanup, either you or you.
          2. GRune
            0
            24 June 2014 12: 53
            Well, how impossible the Americans reproach and impose sanctions ...
        2. +1
          24 June 2014 13: 15
          Quote: Pilat2009
          Does the author want to fight to the last resident?

          I want to remind the author of the words of Peter1 from the film, or maybe we want to fight the sea, but you get my wings flipped .... How does he know how ready the country is for war, what are Putin's plans? Everyone can yell from the couch.
      3. PRN
        +14
        24 June 2014 10: 45
        No need to panic, let them panic beyond the Dnieper and a large puddle
        .
    2. +20
      24 June 2014 08: 07
      the author teach political science, read not only the yellow press, and you will be happy.
      1. +20
        24 June 2014 08: 21
        In global politics, Nodo should think with MIND, not with his heart. The West is pushing Russia for the second option. And the sofa troops are eager for battle. And the war is only in the movies, everything is so colorful. You can’t follow the amers who want to make Russia an aggressor and an outcast. Russia does not need war.
        1. +15
          24 June 2014 09: 57
          Well, the audience ... Some strategists :-)

          What mother gave birth to you? Which father raised you? You have not lost the idea of ​​honor and conscience, people?

          Before your eyes, your wife will be raped - you will think, get involved in a fight or cost :-)
          1. +18
            24 June 2014 10: 18
            Sleeping little separatist

            Putting your palm under the cheek
            And in the sky - noise, and din, and whistle
            And that's all - no fun

            He sleeps but sleep explodes fear
            So the expanse of the river blows up a stone
            Everything in this childhood dream is wrong
            And he presses closer to mom

            How to know him that he
            Long recorded as terrorists
            What is calculated and condemned
            For fear and for a possible shot

            What rights is deprived and should he
            Living in a dark and damp basement
            And don't worry about the UN
            There is a game, and he is banned

            Sleeping little separatist
            Putting your palm under the cheek
            And in the sky - noise, and thunder, and whistle
            And that's all - not for fun.

            Author: Vita Savitskaya
            "" PS: How many more children must die for the authorities to understand that they have lost this war a long time ago ?! "
            1. yulka2980
              +8
              24 June 2014 11: 06
              cryingI agree with the author! There is no strength to look at how the kids die and do not care ... But if some kind of mattress died, then the hive would be buzzing, they would send peacekeepers long ago and bombard all the guilty
          2. +1
            24 June 2014 11: 08
            The question is not at the address. Ukraine as a non-commissioned officer widow who beats herself. Suggest you take part in this process?
            1. -2
              24 June 2014 11: 43
              Remember this question, when for the Urals with your family you will be draping
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          3. 0
            24 June 2014 13: 08
            Are you already in Donetsk? Or Lugansk? Just in case, check if some of the residents consider you a rapist, and then into a fight. It’s a shame that in the heat of time he defended, but it turned out that no one called.
          4. European
            +1
            24 June 2014 15: 16
            definitely plus! I am 100% sure that Russia will merge the whole east of Ukraine! everything shows what he is doing to maintain his pants, and he is moving the army back and forth, and they wanted to give a damn about Russia in Kiev, and Russia is not a rival to the Americans! not the financial level, if a Russian soldier can stand up for himself, then the Russian authorities, supposedly patriots, will not lose their money. The states know how to put pressure on them! Alas, there will never be such a thing as in the old days - not a single cannon in Europe can fire without the permission of Russia. And the Jewish state of Israel will never forgive anyone for shelling its territory. One wrote it right here, for this they are respected and afraid.
          5. Igor62
            0
            24 June 2014 16: 01
            do not confuse x ... with a tram handle
            1. European
              0
              24 June 2014 16: 27
              Tip popped wise guy? so poke the tram on the bend!
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        3. +3
          24 June 2014 10: 10
          I still hope that all these blah blah are bred by people who are not related to our army. Otherwise, we ... for sure, HA-NA
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        5. +1
          24 June 2014 11: 41
          Quote: subbtin.725
          The West is pushing for the second option.

          All talk only about this that God forbid to send troops. Or maybe the West just from this and fulfill the plan for boiling water in shorts?You can’t follow the lead of the amers who want to make Russia an aggressor and an outcast.Fucking zabrehany --- and now in the eyes of the whole "progressive-devil" world, according to their media, how do you look ??????? Naivety sleeping and seeing themselves as bluff strategists.
        6. +1
          24 June 2014 13: 19
          Quote: subbtin.725
          . You can’t follow the lead of the amers who want to make Russia an aggressor and an outcast. Russia does not need war.

          absolutely right, still Stolypin said, let us live 50 years without war and you will startle with happiness ....
        7. +1
          24 June 2014 15: 21
          "You can't follow the lead of amers who want to make Russia an aggressor and an outcast. Russia doesn't need a war." --- The war is not needed, just the question of who will ask us. A year ago, when I read articles about the collapse of Ukraine, it seemed to me to be complete nonsense, but they are already fighting among themselves. So internally we must be prepared for any situation, now we are fighting among ourselves in words, where is the guarantee that it will not reach weapons, what position do you take with regard to the future of Russia?
          1. 0
            24 June 2014 15: 59
            Quote: varov14
            . Russia does not need war.

            What do you think? Short victorious, but people will also die and for us Asians it will be funny. The Slavs "grind" each other, girls are not.
            Maybe then I will get Tokalka, my second wife, and I will have more children. laughing
      2. +5
        24 June 2014 11: 39
        Quote: Veles75
        the author teach political science, read not only the yellow press, and you will be happy

        I apologize 3 times, but when your daughter (God forbid) breaks off a mine explosion in the city center, I would like to read your comments later hi
    3. +36
      24 June 2014 08: 20
      more and more our forum looks like a "club of experts", it seems everyone knows everything what to do, except for Putin! a lot of idiotic appeals and advice from starting a war immediately, to building a second Berlin wall! from orthodox "all-propals" to the coolest sofa Rimbos! wassat
      1. +13
        24 June 2014 09: 15
        The normal reaction of people who are not responsible for anything. Even for his words ... T.ch. do not be surprised.
      2. nvv
        nvv
        0
        24 June 2014 09: 49
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        more and more our forum looks like a "club of experts", it seems everyone knows everything what to do, except for Putin! a lot of idiotic appeals and advice from starting a war immediately, to building a second Berlin wall! from orthodox "all-propals" to the coolest sofa Rimbos! wassat

        Andrei Yurich, what are you entitled to do? It’s necessary for people to let off steam. It’s true if all the steam doesn’t go off the steam. Can all of these articles serve for this? Are they so complicated?
      3. +5
        24 June 2014 14: 19
        I have already spoken out about the introduction of troops and assistance. Military operation is an extreme measure. Calling for a war to begin at all times and among all peoples was not considered a sign of wisdom. This is an emergency.
        Take a look at the story. In 270 AD The Roman emperor Aurelianus sacrificed his own son before going to the Dacians, so that everyone could understand that this is his suffering decision to start the war - the only possible way.
        I repeat, not all funds have been exhausted yet - help is possible by volunteers, the supply of heavy weapons, air defense equipment, drugs, medicines, and products. Targeted sabotage is possible in places of accumulation of equipment, at airfields, on railway tracks. Liquidation of leaders of anti-terrorist operation. And finally - political - recognition of new republics, visa regime with Ukraine, economic pressure.
        I purely humanly understand that everyone’s emotions are going wild. But you need to understand another thing, that the invasion of our troops in Ukraine is a full-blown military conflict in which many countries will be drawn. Let’s, nevertheless, leave the decision to the Supreme Commander. A mistake will lead to the deaths of millions of people.
      4. Igor62
        0
        24 June 2014 16: 06
        similar to classmates. and the public from there. trolls.
    4. +3
      24 June 2014 08: 20
      totally agree good
    5. +18
      24 June 2014 08: 21
      And for swine, one must answer (about the border). A pair of rockets and not any guys and their mothers. Impunity gives birth to permissiveness. Ukrainians are pulling troops to the Crimea, so that we will also watch and complain to the UN?
      1. -8
        24 June 2014 08: 51
        I think Kozhuguetych nevertheless honors some Soviet experience, for example, as near Semipalatinsk in his time: they raked the remains with bulldozers on the other side - and there are no problems.
        1. Aydar
          +12
          24 June 2014 09: 34
          Kuzhugetich, as you familiarly deigned to express yourself (although the reasons for such familiarity are incomprehensible, Petrovich or Ivanych would be understandable, but Kuzhuget is a Tuvan name and not a Russian one) - well, that's not the point. So it would be more useful for "Kuzhugetich" to honor the catastrophic desecration of its own population and the decline in its even minimum educational level, which is especially clearly seen in your case. Well, please tell me what kind of "that side" is, and even in Soviet times, Kazakh chtoli? Well, under the USSR it was a single country and there was no "that side" there, but if you think that the present Semipalatinsk (Semey) about which your mind knows only from the test site is "borderline" and divided into "that side" and " your side "- then in this case your" Kuzhugetich "just right to grab his head and howl wildly, and then there is a war like you, for example, Britain or Bonn on the map will be able to find a" vigorous bonboy "shandarahnut? That way, instead of the obsessed Obama and Merkel, you can inadvertently and innocently hook the innocent Khan Carlos in the park. Learn in general, for how Ilyich inspired the whole world in learning.
          1. yulka2980
            0
            24 June 2014 11: 11
            About familiarity is understandable, but what's the difference Russian middle name or not? with Russian it is possible, but not with Tuvan? !! wassat
          2. -2
            24 June 2014 11: 29
            Quote: Aydar
            That way instead of Obama with Merkel, you can inadvertently and innocent Khan Carlos in the park catch.


            It is also necessary to see how innocent he is. Of course we are for world peace, but if anything, then immediately. Call to answer. smile
          3. 0
            25 June 2014 16: 02
            Buddy, look at my checkbox. I can say that a relic of the Soviet era, made and educated in the USSR, someone born in Kazakhstan with a cut through national aplomb, begins to educate through Kozhugetych as a “scoffed” blonde “with a drop in education” on Soviet realities.

            So, it would be more useful for "Kuzhugetich" to honor the catastrophic desecration of its own population and the fall of its even minimum educational level, (Sorry, you him FOR THIS so many advantages?) which is especially evident in your case. Well, please tell me what kind of "that side" is, and even in Soviet times, Kazakh chtoli? Well, under the USSR it was a single country and there was no "that side" there, but if you think that the present Semipalatinsk (Semey) about which your mind knows only from the test site is "borderline" and divided into "that side" and " your side "

            Semipalatinsk and in Soviet times was located on the territory of the Kazakh SSR and "Kazakh chtoli?" the side, of course, couldn’t be “that” in any way (well, there is no need for insinuations on my behalf about the correspondence of this and that side of the territory inside and outside the landfill - in itself such an assumption of yours is enough for Kozhugetych to grab his head). Unfortunately, I have to admit that the awakening of national republican self-awareness somehow stuck in the perception of the Soviet positioning of structures and objects of union jurisdiction. And the administrative-territorial division was by no means of primary importance here.

            Why, for example, “who doesn’t need”, was to know that Krasnoyarsk-26, which is a secret object, is located not within the city of Krasnoyarsk, but 60 kilometers from it, or that such an address is hidden under the address of Semipalatinsk - Someone office Semipalatinsk test site.

            But the fact that such, for example, an address like Semipaltinsk-23, military unit 43137 denotes some border guard detachment on the Kazakhstan section of the State Soviet-Chinese border, matters not so much secrecy as a simple consideration that the spelling of the names of local settlements relatives, friends and girlfriends of border guards from different republics will give rise to a lot of mistakes (not mentioning other necessary recordings) and an additional headache (even in the case of correct spelling) among postal officials and the slowing down of mail between all republics of the USSR with the all-Union use of such practices. Well, since Russian at that time was the language of interethnic communication, the Russian name of the city of Semipalatinsk (by the way, Semey was still not in the project at that time) was relatively easy to remember and write to people from different regions of the USSR, and postal workers to understand it even if there are errors . As a result, such a vast region “near Semipalatinsk” was born from the city of Semipalatinsk, further south, capturing the training ground, and to the very border of the USSR-China.

            I hope, in the light of the foregoing, the respected resonator about 1969 and the “other side” will not need additional chewing - after all, the head is not only designed to be inside.
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      2. +8
        24 June 2014 10: 31
        All provocations of Ukrainians must be answered harshly so that they do not think that Russia is a mess, that it’s more expensive to bully us.
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    6. 0
      24 June 2014 08: 26
      Here Starikov is a clear and understandable answer why Russia does not send troops into the territory of the DPR and LPR. Questions all by themselves disappear
      http://vk.com/video153115471_168825667?list=b128a2a965928efee7&og=1
      1. +6
        24 June 2014 09: 54
        Quote: alexneg
        Here Starikov is a clear and understandable answer why Russia does not send troops into the territory of the DPR and LPR. Questions all by themselves disappear
        http://vk.com/video153115471_168825667?list=b128a2a965928efee7&og=1


        He listened only the first three minutes, and turned it off. To calm down a bit.
        Wow! What crafty arguments does Starikov bring.
        ----------
        An example about Gorbachev and I do not want to comment. ((
        And Starikov’s words that the millionth of Donetsk didn’t even put out 100 000 (one hundred thousand) militias .. caused anger.
        ------
        Yes Edits him to the left (((((100 000 partisans (active) is the total number of partisans throughout the occupied territory in the 1942 year .. at the time of the month of May.
        All 40 millionth Ukraine .. related state system authorities, could not send and 50 thousand recruits for "ATO" ((
        ----------
        But by the way. It’s too late to be indignant. It is done.
        -----------
        That's just militias sorry.
        May God save and save them!
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        2. 0
          24 June 2014 10: 04
          That's how rumors are born. Look to the end and then you can say something intelligible. And yelling everything was gone and helping fasciston to implement his plan for the collapse of Russia-it is mean and ped.rastically. I hate those who, living in Russia, stand on the side of the enemy of Russia.
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    8. +8
      24 June 2014 08: 26
      Hmm ... All This ... Propaganda !!! The West WANTS to leave Russia EXTREMELY ... !!! They ALSO UNDERSTAND ... THAT THE DECOMPOSITION OF UKRAINE IS INEVITABLE ... THERE ARE LOOKING FOR THE EXTREME !!! Take the Nazis to the CONTENT ... Nobody WANTS ... !!!
    9. irina.mmm
      +2
      24 June 2014 08: 37
      I don’t think that if he was responsible for making decisions and taking responsibility for so many lives, and even giving incident to inadequate people a chance to start a war, he would write this. Why not go to the militia? always needed. But no, it's always easier to judge.
    10. +8
      24 June 2014 08: 48
      ready even myself, even with a kid
    11. +16
      24 June 2014 08: 52
      Quote: olegff68
      The boss is all gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving ...
      I’m wondering - the author himself is ready to go to war in Ukraine ??? And to send their children to fight ???

      You are not tired of scamming about "your children to Ukraine". It's time to turn on your Moscow and realize that every citizen pays taxes on the maintenance of many millions of government officials, embezzlers and the army. And all these hordes of parasites are sitting on the necks of the people only in order to ensure the strategic security of the country, at the borders of which a hostile national-fascist state is growing and forming. Today it is weak, so the sooner you crush it, the more guarantees. And in five years the West will feed him and arm him against Russia.
      During World War II you would be shot for such propaganda. And they’d do it right, because you don’t think with your own mind, you are hoping for someone else’s.
      PS I put you a minus, but for some reason you immediately added three pluses. You can see the local chemist administrators like you. So you -3!
      1. +8
        24 June 2014 09: 28
        I, too, already got these
        The boss is all gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving ...
        I’m wondering - the author himself is ready to go to war in Ukraine ???

        there is no idea of ​​their own, but the people will die and who will help who will help if some are afraid others are looking for benefits and still others think that everything will resolve itself. GUYS TURN THESE WOODS AND IN THE 41M WAS SEA. and there will be both shame and war for us. It all started back in the 99th when the bombing of Yugoslavia crap, now the woman (merkel) blue (oland) and the monkey (Obama) will teach us how to live.
        1. yulka2980
          +2
          24 June 2014 11: 15
          Lord! The previous speaker wrote "mosk", and you follow the mosg! Eyes already "cut" !!!
      2. +9
        24 June 2014 09: 52
        Quote: Polar
        PS I put you a minus, but for some reason you immediately added three pluses. You can see the local chemist administrators like you.

        Administrators have nothing to do with it. Since the page was loaded, four people put a plus and you are a minus. Total plus three.
      3. +3
        24 June 2014 10: 38
        As you, my dear, -
        to parrot about "their children to Ukraine"

        I will not get tired NEVER !!! They won’t let me do it - visiting deceased friends in cemeteries ...
        And we must have the courage to clearly be aware - we are sending troops to Ukraine (a priori do not give a shit) in the Luhansk region and the Donbass we will be met as liberators, the bulk of Ukrainians, including Kharkiv and Dnepropetrovtsy, will perceive us due to zombies as invaders they will fight with us, fight sincerely and wholeheartedly - and then we will be enemies REALLY AND FOR A LONG TIME ...
        Before deciding to send troops it is necessary to VERY carefully prepare the ground - they want ...
        1. +2
          24 June 2014 11: 50
          Do you think that now we are not their enemies. Enemies and weapons they rivet therefore. And even this is not the point, it’s like with hooligans, the more you tell them that it’s so bad, the worse they behave. The scum is afraid only of strength. And they will also think about us, Russia was scared. So you can bend it further. Remember Georgia, what happened, and the shelling and seizure of convoys and that persuaded them that they should not behave like that in the language of the world - no. No one understood yet. The whole story is like that. Just remember that. Damansky. That's the catch.
        2. 0
          24 June 2014 11: 56
          Quote: olegff68
          , including Kharkovites and Dnepropetrovsk, by virtue of zombies, they will perceive us as invaders and will fight with us, fight sincerely and selflessly - and then we will be enemies REALLY AND FOR A LONG TIME ...

          I do not agree with you. We must go immediately to Lviv and turn off the junta TV throughout Ukraine. Turn on our TV. And everything will not be as terrible as it seems to many. Afraid of wolves - do not go to the forest.
        3. +1
          24 June 2014 12: 06
          The zombies are real there, but why aren’t there any minimal Russian zombie actions?
          Why not conduct counter propaganda on the sly, without raping the viewer, just a summary between music and songs? Thus, to prepare the electorate, under the yoke of the junta, to understand the real state of things, both own and in the DPR, LPR. Without forcibly imposed propaganda and agitation, music and in between info bulletins and news?

          An aerostat in the Crimea and on the western borders with Ukraine at an altitude of about two kilometers will make it possible to restore the broadcasting of practically all of Ukraine Russian channels and VHF FM stations,
          The greatest information effect: music and information in vehicles.
          An example of a finished version http://rosaerosystems.ru/aero/obj16
          I think you can attach special communication channels (maybe even cellular). A jammer for such heights is problematic, because in any hole there is an aerostat in direct line of sight, but there is no jammer. Again, special communications will be reliable even in the trenches ..
          Perhaps not as the main form, but as a reliable emergency. For apparently, such problems were with the use of electronic warfare. - Hid in a hole or behind a hill, behind a tank and got in touch with emergency gang.
          1. 0
            24 June 2014 12: 14
            By the way, a good example of thought processes in Kiev on journalism issues,
            (do not look at the bravure heading, on 70% this is how everyone thinks outside of Donetsk - Lugansk):
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NXApQL0Q7aE
          2. 0
            24 June 2014 13: 26
            Quote: Deff
            An aerostat in the Crimea and on the western borders with Ukraine at an altitude of about two kilometers will make it possible to restore the broadcasting of practically all of Ukraine Russian channels and VHF FM stations,

            Complete nonsense! It’s immediately obvious that a person is an absolute
            fiercely far from radio engineering. And "attach special communication channels" - nothing but a laugh can not cause! laughing
          3. 0
            24 June 2014 13: 39
            I do not think that the pit will be small for VHF radio stations. The balloon from the demolition of the wind must be securely fastened. The weather would be sunny and smaller clouds.
      4. 0
        24 June 2014 10: 41
        "It’s time mosk include and think"
        What is mosk ????
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      6. nvv
        nvv
        -3
        24 June 2014 10: 45
        You can see the local chemist administrators like you. So get -3! [/ Quote]
        Checked all coincided. You are right.
      7. +1
        24 June 2014 11: 03
        I fully support you !!
        1. nvv
          nvv
          +1
          24 June 2014 12: 45
          What's this? General insanity? Or some kind of joke moderates? All faces are broken. Not a single whole. And the pros and cons.
          The battle is going on for the sake of life on earth.
      8. yulka2980
        +1
        24 June 2014 11: 17
        Officials are parasites and thieves of course, but I think you’re sinning for the army! Where have you seen ordinary millionaires?
        1. 0
          24 June 2014 12: 10
          As you probably know, the army is not commanded by rank-and-file officers and officers are stealing in the army today, as it is not scanty.
      9. 0
        24 June 2014 11: 45
        Here you would definitely be shot for alarmism.
        And this:
        .to. you don’t think with your own mind, you hope for someone else’s.

        fully applies to you.

        Enrages Putin's silence? Then show an example - go as a volunteer to Slavyansk. Weak?
      10. 0
        24 June 2014 13: 23
        Quote: Polar
        I put you a minus, but for some reason you added three pluses at once

        Because besides you, several more people, more sane ones, have voted!
    12. +6
      24 June 2014 08: 54
      It’s probably a secret for the author that any war, except for the war of annihilation, ends with negotiations. Even in the year 45, before signing the surrender, negotiations were held with the Nazis. Although you can certainly demonstrate a proud profile on your couch by sending soldiers to war, but then you still have to negotiate, though by spilling a river of blood. Not mine ...
    13. Serg7281
      0
      24 June 2014 08: 58
      The author of the article is another couch general.
      1. 0
        24 June 2014 10: 21
        but in essence what can you say? Or besides the thought of "myself" there is nothing else in your head?
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      3. +4
        24 June 2014 11: 51
        Everyone pounced on the author. And what suggestions. What is silent and watch. And so, because of our silence, everything happens. Do not beat us pass. Only when they begin to beat us, who will help
        1. +2
          24 June 2014 13: 36
          Quote: perm23
          Everyone pounced on the author. And what are the suggestions

          Proposals, negotiations, ceasefire. So, as if the author is against, he gathered to victory ...
    14. +2
      24 June 2014 09: 04
      I think in such a situation as it is now necessary to use all available opportunities for a peaceful resolution of the situation. A missile strike on the positions of the National Guard would make further peaceful dialogue practically impossible, would lead to a further escalation of the conflict and the death of civilians, including Russians. I believe Israel’s indiscriminate response to those around it in response to sacrifices among its citizens carries the imperative message of intimidating opponents and creating intolerance in their midst of armed radicals. Such actions inevitably have negative side effects and lead to further confrontation with some opponents, an increase in the overall anti-Israeli sentiment in the territories surrounding Israel.
      1. -1
        24 June 2014 14: 01
        Quote: 51064
        Missile strike on the positions of the National Guard ...

        and where the army was, as far as I know the shelling was carried out for about an hour, it was enough to identify and suppress the firing points of time.
        Or do our military receive money for parades ?!
        PS and the Nazis if they survive, do not calm down
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    16. -3
      24 June 2014 09: 08
      Plus! More precisely, you will not say! good
    17. +12
      24 June 2014 09: 10
      The boss is all gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving ...

      the author teach political science, read not only the yellow press, and you will be happy.

      ... and these pearls of BOW are given out for the depth of thought ... especially for ... well, oh well ... everyone has their own level of understanding of WHAT WE, THE RUSSIANS, ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE WHO TRUSTED ... WHO TRUSTED US AND READY FOR US SACRIFICE (what is happening now!) FOR YOURSELF FOR STRENGTHENING OUR POSITIONS IN THE WORLD!
      And do not talk about ... why (name) on your couch ... and not on the stronghold of the militias ... How much do we know about each other, where is he ... what is his contribution to ... that trampled like this .... cry of the human soul?
      And everyone can express their point ... right or wrong ... LET'S NOT GOING TO JUDGE! MORE THAN SO ADDITIONAL!
      And the author of the article is to some extent right! I know much more ... than I write on these pages ... and not only know ... but ... in general, I’m not completely aloof from these events ... therefore my hand will not rise to scoff at the author of this article. ..
      And the author is right in that ... it’s not necessary for us to send troops to the adjacent territory ... and the DNI and LC do not even require this! Ammers ... the French and other NATO troops did not officially send their troops to LIBYA ... but it was they who played a decisive role in the victory of the Islamist forces ... Or like Israel ... the boy accidentally blew up a mine ... the next day the base of the group’s deployment that delivered this mine was destroyed ... They flew up to our mine transfer point ... this battery must be destroyed ... there are opportunities for this ... they fired again ... our goods were blown up - all the headquarters were razed to Raisins, supply bases, etc. - mixed with soil .... banderloo aviation was bombed by residents - no longer let any ukrov aircraft fly into the air ... And we don’t have to send our troops across the border ... this will be enough. ..to direct negotiations in a constructive direction ...
      But negotiations are necessary ... but not at the expense of concessions and indulgence to the fascist forces of Ukraine! That is my point of view ... AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO HER!
      And now - you can jerk and put a minus!
      ... and you will be happy .....
      1. 0
        24 June 2014 15: 42
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        RUSSIANS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE WHO Tamed ...

        Some strange phrase, even offensive ... Are you talking about people - "Tamed"? This is what they usually say about animals. They would have said already - TRAINED!
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    19. niklaus
      +8
      24 June 2014 09: 51
      Nobody sends your children anywhere, and the contractors who go there receive a bad salary for this, and this is not a bad salary paid from our taxes and they are obliged to defend the interests of Russia, and receive Donbass for Russia, which brings 30 percent of GDP Ukraine, a worthy acquisition in the treasury of the state. Why then are they needed, 450 thousand people to keep for what.
      1. +4
        24 June 2014 11: 18
        You are absolutely right! Why the hell do we need the Army, special services, the military-industrial complex and many other departments and directions of the state if there is no sense in them? Hypothetical conflict with the use of nuclear weapons? Yes ktozh will do it then? Our opponents do not want to live, but to destroy, destroy the state’s potential from the inside, having bought the top and covering it with shit, blood and other things, it’s always welcome ... Alas, now we are witnessing not only the most treacherous betrayal by the country's leadership, but and absolute stupidity of a truly epic scale, for the pawns who have done their job will be merged, cut out like rams .. There are plenty of precedents
    20. Storog27
      +5
      24 June 2014 09: 53
      Yes, but they are obliged to suppress artillery with the leading shelling of our territory.
    21. +2
      24 June 2014 09: 53
      Quote: olegff68
      The boss is all gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving ...
      I’m wondering - the author himself is ready to go to war in Ukraine ??? And to send their children to fight ??? And while their residents of Southeast, for example, Kharkov citizens are working properly, they stamp the junta’s weapons in 3 shifts ...
      Putin does the right thing - first you need to use all other ways !!!

      I agree, the cannon is the last argument. Ukraine is economically weak, they will not let it "die", but it is good to "freeze" please. Not only from the Politburo, but also analysts from well-known organs are sitting at the top. There is no need to panic. soldier
      1. +4
        24 June 2014 11: 55
        But why did you get the idea that Ukraine will freeze. It will calmly steal gas and all. We cannot block the pipe. And the West will ask for evidence, negotiate, and Ukrainians steal. And we talk. How many discussed the issue of prepayment. 2-3 months. So here we talk, and winter will pass. It’s calm that Ukrainians do not give water to the Crimea and that everyone does not give a damn.
        1. +2
          24 June 2014 13: 04
          They will have to freeze, when they are taken to their UGS facilities, the devices will be shown. Gazprom warned that they will reduce the volume of supplies through the transit pipe. They will switch to Nord Stream and Yamal and pumped into German UGS facilities. And let the "brothers" sniff when chopping wood. fellow
    22. +1
      24 June 2014 10: 41
      First of all, I am enraged not by those who write such emotional articles and not by those who are against the deployment of troops, for some rational reasons (political, alternative, economic).

      No.
      First and foremost, those who argue the fear of troop deployment by saying that:
      1) wants to send the author first of all to unorganized and unarmed militias
      2) asks are you ready to send your children to fight
      3) someone living in Kharkiv stamps a junta weapon (maybe a zombie or an American, but the main thing is in Kharkov or near Kharkov, in general, somewhere out there), and this is an argument in favor of not interfering.

      You are generally patriots of your nation, your land, country, and is there any conscience to be a warrior, and at least have no doubt that any war is normal for men, as is death for any person at a certain point in time?

      You need to be prepared to die and give the lives of your children (and a normal young 18-25 year old man worthy to leave competitive offspring is unlikely to sit out because his parents said they would not protrude).

      Those who sit back during an organized war, these are the parasites of society who are not worthy to leave such offspring, because he will not protect the society that has hosted him, in case of danger, but will join the stronger (for example, aliens or fascists) and learn his language and culture.

      And partisanism and military resistance in the face of a superior enemy, this is the highest level of courage. To know that you will lose, but not to accept the conditions of the enemy, so that your offspring will be yours and the imperative inherent in the topic will not disappear.
      On an equal footing, I would put only a strong genetic memory on my ancestors, the ability to convey the culture of my ancestors in the conditions when around the chameleons began to change it taking on a completely different religion / culture and began to fight for someone else's values, sacrificing themselves for another society. (For example, young people from the Yenisei went to fight for the values ​​of Arabs in Syria / Caucasus and so on - this is the highest degree of stupidity and such a bad gene is not worth living).
      Execute every tenth - the testament of Chyngyzkhan. It works. So you can conquer the world.
      1. yulka2980
        +3
        24 June 2014 11: 21
        I think the point here is that all the former union republics are looking askance at Russia! Lukashenko alone is worth what! Therefore, the GDP is trying to solve everything without violence
      2. -2
        24 June 2014 11: 51
        so what is the problem? Forward and with the song! You're a patriot! Why are you "sitting out during an organized war" ??? Why aren't you in the militia? Where is your genetic memory then ?!
        Or are you just another couch warrior ???
      3. 0
        24 June 2014 15: 47
        Quote: KG_patriot_last
        any war for men is normal

        Increased aggressiveness is one of the common problems of the children's team. Perhaps it's time to see a psychiatrist!
    23. +5
      24 June 2014 10: 41
      And what does it have to do with "fighting for Ukraine" Mines are being brought to our territory, our people are wounded. I served in the army and would not have gone anywhere and would have gone to fight and defend the Motherland if there was such an order. I don’t know what prevents ours from "accidentally" launching and dropping a couple of missiles at those who fired at our border guards. I don’t believe that they didn’t track where the fire was coming from (note) for several hours. In the future, they would think about shelling Russian territory or will they be immediately covered? And then as in that joke about two Ukrainians: "Let's shoot at the ikas. -And if they are in us? -And we are for sho?"
    24. +1
      24 June 2014 10: 47
      To begin with, you can ask if he is ready not even to go to Ukraine, but to forget about comfortable housing, foreign cars, holidays abroad and beautiful clothes. In short, a significant decline in their living standards. And this is instead of giving the Supreme Commander-in-Chief "smart advice" from the couch. Which is quite safe and pleasantly satisfies your own vanity.
    25. 0
      24 June 2014 10: 53
      Quote: olegff68
      the author himself is ready to go to war in Ukraine ???

      What do you mean! Sergei Kushakov, like a typical Moscow forty-year-old hamster, is only capable of grievingly raising his eyes and crying: "How long" and "We are in power here." By definition, he is not capable of more. The scariest part of the sofa analysts is that there are no other solutions for them except the most primitive ones hammered in by American militants: bombing, launching missiles, etc.
      The highest valor is a white shred in front of a mirror ...
      Such is the lost generation of "perestroika-skirmish"
      1. yulka2980
        +2
        24 June 2014 11: 25
        forty year old hamster
        She laughed heartily! laughing
        1. +1
          24 June 2014 11: 47
          Quote: yulka2980
          She laughed heartily!

          And what other feelings can arise at the sight of this next "giant of advanced Moscow thought"?
          1. -2
            24 June 2014 14: 16
            Quote: Cherdak

            And what other feelings can arise at the sight of this next

            Man, show yourself to the world. And then maybe you are a political one, a giant of thought, the father of Russian democracy.
            1. +5
              24 June 2014 15: 22
              They didn’t seem to drink at Brudershaft and did not consume salt in buckets.
              Unlike you, I am not a fan of twitter, I do not bear radical thoughts, I do not try on the camisole of the arbiter of All Russia. Global brain elevations categorically do not welcome.
              It is completely satisfied with the activities of the President. Enough?
              Or do you need another key to the apartment where the money is?

              By the way, here is the latest news:

              Vladimir Putin asks the Federation Council to cancel the decree on the possible use of the army in Ukraine
              1. -1
                24 June 2014 15: 39
                Quote: Cherdak
                They didn’t seem to drink at Brudershaft and did not consume salt in buckets

                "oysya you oysya" you confuse me with someone
                But what about the generation of the fact that everyone was prosral? :)
                Thank you for your frankness.
        2. 0
          24 June 2014 12: 33
          Quote: yulka2980
          forty year old hamster

          And he is also vindictive smile
          So far, I am only ready to "put at least a couple of missiles (not nuclear, of course)", but also to exterminate the "soviet" dissent.
          And if you give him a "ruzho", he will cripple whom in the first place? Yourself or others?
    26. +3
      24 June 2014 10: 55
      I am against the official deployment of troops, because the United States is seeking to call Russia an aggressor, and to introduce NATO troops, in addition, propaganda by the Ukros who confirm that the Ukroarmy is now fighting with Russian (read Russian) troops who are dressed as militias will confirm this. Then all Ukraine will support the junta, and they will shoot at the backs of Russian fighters, and so not everyone is loyal. So don’t, thank you.

      What can you do? on a legal level to repulse attacks with small arms and other "more humane" weapons of attackers on the territory of the Russian Federation, because they violate territorial integrity without a declaration of war, it could be an embassy, ​​it could be a customs and border checkpoint at the border. The main thing is not to cross the border, but to punish the violators, it is advisable to record all this with photos and videos by reporters "who have eggs (not chicken)."

      Further, do not stop supporting the militia, which, thanks to God, is becoming more and more (the miners have recently woken up), with food, weapons, not Russian so as not to burn (the United States in Afghanistan was given to the spirits of Chinese Kalash, m-16 burn for), to give what is in service with the Ukrainian army in order to write off what they supposedly won back.

      IMHO, with respect.
      1. +1
        24 June 2014 11: 58
        Yes, damn it if Americans want to find an excuse they will find. How did you find it in Iraq. Libya.
    27. -2
      24 June 2014 11: 02
      yeah nasty little things. how to bark from under the shkonka. Governors Plia
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    29. Hordik
      +4
      24 June 2014 12: 25
      I’m arguing with many tantrums on the Internet who shout about entering the army in Ukraine, and when they offer them to go there to Slavyansk, for example, people immediately talk about some kind of couch troops there. All these people are VOID BAD !!!!! I completely agree with your opinion!
    30. +1
      24 June 2014 13: 08
      Quote: olegff68
      interesting - the author himself is ready to go to fight in Ukraine ??? And to send their children to fight ???

      That is unlikely!
      Quote: olegff68
      And while their residents of Southeast, for example, Kharkov citizens are working properly, they stamp the junta’s weapons in 3 shifts ...
      Putin does the right thing - first you need to use all other ways !!!

      That's right!
      And the author publishes a provocative spirit.
      In the Donbass, there is someone to fight with their hands, and they help so much about helping. Yes
      Otherwise, there would have been no negotiations.
    31. +3
      24 June 2014 14: 14
      Quote: olegff68
      Russia rolled on a sloping ...

      Oleg calm down! this is the author -> author -> the author has rolled ... but how loud !!! wassat
    32. -1
      24 June 2014 14: 16
      Quote: olegff68
      Putin does the right thing - first you need to use all other ways !!!

      And there will be no other ways
      Vladimir Putin proposed that senators revoke permission to use the Russian armed forces in Ukraine

      Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed that the Federation Council revoke permission to use the Russian armed forces in Ukraine, said Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for the head of state.
      24 June 2014, 14: 02
      Today, before flying to Vienna, President Vladimir Putin sent a letter to the Federation Council addressed to Chairman Valentina Matvienko, where he made a proposal to cancel the decree “On the use of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in Ukraine,” RIA Novosti reported. According to Dmitry Peskov, this was done "in order to normalize the situation and resolve the situation in the eastern regions of Ukraine, as well as in connection with the start of trilateral negotiations on this issue."
      The president’s proposal will be considered by the Federation Council tomorrow.


      Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/37918#ixzz35YBEvdeN
    33. +1
      24 June 2014 17: 12
      Quote: olegff68
      Putin does the right thing - first you need to use all other ways !!!

      And when these other paths end, then due to the change in the situation there will be a new list of other paths. Time will pass and the realization will come that in search of "other ways" we have been wandering through the forest all the time.
  2. +5
    24 June 2014 08: 04
    And only Russia remains a "dormant bear". And the longer the bear sleeps, the more likely it is that the hunters will not let him finally wake up ......... The bear woke up, and a very long time ago, so do not create illusions!
    1. -2
      24 June 2014 08: 56
      Quote: turk
      And only Russia remains a "dormant bear". And the longer the bear sleeps, the more likely it is that the hunters will not let him finally wake up ......... The bear woke up, and a very long time ago, so do not create illusions!

      Yeah, the bear woke up and was sitting on the pot ... he looked at what Russia had been brought to and the bear disease had happened.
    2. +1
      24 June 2014 13: 10
      Quote: turk
      ..... The bear woke up, and a very long time, so do not build illusions!

      I agree completely. The bear woke up, had a snack, quietly digests and waits for the next portion! A HURRY DURING THE RECEPTION OF "FOOD" SIMPLY AND JUST LEADS TO INDIGENOUS STOMACH, AND IT JUST DOES NOT WANT TO BE A BEAR!
  3. +13
    24 June 2014 08: 05
    Sorry, citizens, and the militias do not need a respite for reformation?
    1. +8
      24 June 2014 09: 43
      Quote: Angro Magno
      and doesn’t a respite for the militias for reformation?

      really needed! Only her, respite - NO! They still fire!
    2. 0
      24 June 2014 10: 55
      Slavic militia in complete encirclement. It is unlikely that such a respite will benefit them after the 27th
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  4. -4
    24 June 2014 08: 05
    Everything is correct and the drawing in the subject ...
  5. +4
    24 June 2014 08: 06
    Unfortunately, our leadership still lives by the principle - AND SUDDENLY WHAT IS NOT SO !!!!
    1. +6
      24 June 2014 08: 57
      Dear granula1010, our management does not live according to the principle "what if something is wrong", but according to the principle, you must try everything before ...
      1. Yurii suh
        +3
        24 June 2014 09: 54
        Well said! And I also want to add, but this is a personal opinion that negotiations are needed to show EVERYONE all the "phony" promises of poroshenko. And show EVERYONE how Kiev has thwarted peaceful consultations. And they will disrupt them, for some reason I have no doubt! and a peacekeeping mission in relation to the Kiev junta ...
  6. -4
    24 June 2014 08: 07
    For some reason, it seems to me that it is likely that the current check of the combat readiness of our armed forces may well end in Kiev. God give it!
    1. +6
      24 June 2014 08: 36
      God forbid. Nothing for our guys to do there. The people of Ukraine must realize everything and make their choice.
      1. -1
        24 June 2014 11: 58
        Our guys there a lot of things there, just do not run in front of a steam train! Everything has its time!!!
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  7. +19
    24 June 2014 08: 08
    Well, it began, DNR LC betrayed? None of these negotiations will end. Everything goes to Maidan version 3.0, and the junta needs peace. Tsarev yesterday voiced such a demand, which for the junta as a guillotine. For Russia, the most important thing is for the junta to be quietly hated by Westerners. And this is already beginning to happen when a load of 200 began to come to the trap from New Russia.
  8. +3
    24 June 2014 08: 08
    And you read in the media - who is involved in these negotiations. It's good that you can read between the term (as you noticed - a little bit), but, I would define it as very little, or not quite what is written there. Sometimes look at political programs and devoted to Ukrainian events, our representatives from the government (not Putin!), For example, S. Zheleznyak, specially participate there. and they say between the lines (the flow of words), catch.
    1. 225chay
      +4
      24 June 2014 11: 12
      Quote: Siberian
      And you read in the media - who is involved in these negotiations.

      Quote: Siberian
      for example, S. Zheleznyak. and they say between the lines (the flow of words), catch.


      iron ore? And what did the good piece of iron say between the lines? And in general, what is good for the common people, not for millionaires and oligarchs, maybe the iron ore would like to know?
      for some reason, the "iron ore" are associated with the Gaidar team - boys in pink panties.
      I do not pretend to be true
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  10. +19
    24 June 2014 08: 11
    I am a simple person, not very knowledgeable in political intrigues


    The key to this stream of emotions.
  11. +4
    24 June 2014 08: 13
    Quote: dejavu
    I am a simple person, not very knowledgeable in political intrigues


    The key to this stream of emotions.

    Well, yes. They’ve seen enough of the TV and let's analyze it.
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  13. +5
    24 June 2014 08: 14
    Any conflict, sooner or later, should end with negotiations anyway. If the weaker side is negotiating - and the DPR and LPR have less resources anyway - this is normal and should only be respected.
    And this is after Slavyansk and Odessa. This is after the five-year-old child agonizing on the operating table and his killed mother. After tears, the 80-year-olds do not understand how they were again in 1940's in their last years.

    Does the author really want the number of such children and old women to increase hundreds of times?
    Participation in the negotiations, and the result of them - just a truce before June 27.06 - will allow the evacuation of more civilians from the battle zone, bring up ammunition, equipment, people to repel subsequent attacks. And the shelling from heavy weapons, which does not stop even in the declared truce, proves to the whole world that Poroshenko cannot be trusted. It is not for nothing that Putin himself spoke about the shelling, and the media published footage filmed by "national means of objective control."
    And the article is too emotional. Leave no rating.
    1. +3
      24 June 2014 08: 50
      And where did the ammunition come from? Ukrainians will bring themselves ammunition and people.
      1. 0
        24 June 2014 12: 06
        On the territory of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions of canned weapons, the Ukrainian army in warehouses is so much that it is enough to arm the whole of Ukraine! 250 tanks I heard have already entered the army of New Russia. Byby people were more active already at least drove the invaders from their land!
  14. -3
    24 June 2014 08: 15
    and the name is what he came up with the opposite!
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  16. +1
    24 June 2014 08: 16
    Everything is gone - the whole point of the article!




    ENOUGH PANICS, ALL OF ITS TIME. EMOTIONS AND POLICY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE !!!
  17. +8
    24 June 2014 08: 16
    Negotiations with Kuchma are not negotiations. Although Zurabov is participating there. But our militia needs a respite.
    1. +3
      24 June 2014 09: 27
      Quote: MIST096
      Negotiations with Kuchma are not negotiations. Although Zurabov is participating there. But our militia needs a respite.


      So reacting to the first contacts in attempts to prepare a discussion of the terms of the settlement, NOT the EXTREMELY RADICAL part of the Kiev clique ...

      And what rabid fascists say is generally ...

      The episode of negotiations in Donetsk. VIDEO

      Tags: Donetsk, negotiations in Donetsk, Bolotov, Kuchma, DPR, LPR
      24.06.2014 07:49
      http://uainfo.org/


      A bunch of bastards under the flag of the DNI. And Kuchma reported to the DPR while standing. Then he will say that for the sake of peace on earth, Babai is ready to kiss the navel.
  18. -2
    24 June 2014 08: 17
    "... sometimes they insult, then they rob! And this house is still fighting for the title of" House of high culture of everyday life "! Nightmare, nightmare!" (C). The respected author did not even try to analyze the composition of the group of negotiators, but in the same place, the entire junta, headed by Legitimny, personally negotiates with Strelkov! It takes time to rest, reorganization of the militia forces, delivery of reinforcements and other things. And Zurabov as a negotiator is the same as Dima Aifon is a president. They will sit, drink, and on the 27th Legitimny will sign an agreement with the EU and there will be happiness ...
    1. +1
      24 June 2014 10: 52
      Quote: inkass_98
      The dear author did not even try to analyze the composition of the group of negotiators, and there, the entire junta, led by the Legitimate

      Zurabov is the official representative of the Russian Federation, Medvedchuk is Putin’s person in Ukraine, Kuchma, in my opinion he is the least harmful of all the former ex-presidents, and a mediator, so as not to agree on something not provided for. The essence of the process in my opinion is that Russia, through its official and unofficial representatives, is conducting separate negotiations with Ukraine, the purpose of the negotiations is to share influence in this very country
  19. 0
    24 June 2014 08: 19
    Another provocative article! Did the urks order her?
    1. Igor62
      0
      24 June 2014 16: 40
      rather our belolentochniki
  20. +2
    24 June 2014 08: 19
    The key in the article "I am a simple person, not very well versed in political intrigue"
    Question: So where are you, "mister" author, poking your physiognomy with your advice, if (by your own admission) you don’t understand politics?
    Verdict: Another provocative vys.r!
  21. 0
    24 June 2014 08: 21
    The author draws strange conclusions! The author, but do you think it would be better to bomb the whole dill? The whole west of dill? Kiev? They are doing everything right, it is necessary to stop the deaths of civilians and militias must be preserved - men! Those countries that you indicated bombed foreign territories, and we have wide family ties with dill, and how do you propose in this case to resolve conflicts ....
  22. 0
    24 June 2014 08: 22
    I am a simple person, not very versed in political intrigues, but a little able to read between the lines.


    An article such as a conversation in the kitchen. If I don’t understand, I’m not climbing. That we have all become advisers. To whom and what to do. A rare cook can become a minister. And most likely no.
  23. +5
    24 June 2014 08: 24
    Well, Ukrainians will break it all in a week, once again they will show absolute incompatibility. And time is not on their side. And negotiations are being conducted with those who are actually leading, not with Yanukovych, however, to conduct them. Although there would be nothing wrong with the well-being bombing to the Polish border and the hangouts with professional Ukrainians.
  24. druidcat
    -1
    24 June 2014 08: 24
    The author is a provocateur. He is either the fifth column or simply not-so-distant. I will not argue my words, since in both cases it is useless.
    1. Igor62
      -1
      24 June 2014 16: 44
      Do not go to the fortuneteller, it is. Recently, liberals have become active on "VO"
  25. +5
    24 June 2014 08: 25
    The use of the Armed Forces, a last resort! I do not think that the author of the article is in the first echelon and is waiting for an order to advance. To give instructions to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief how and where to use the Armed Forces, sitting at the computer, is not great heroism! Russia has not rolled anywhere!
    Our use of the army, in addition to human casualties, will drive a wedge between fraternal peoples even more! On the other hand, there are a lot of normal Ukrainians, simply drugged by propaganda, and they will figure it out, but if we begin to deploy troops, then for many generations it will remain in their blood.
    And then all Ukrainians will fall into the arms of America! That's what the Americans are seeking !!!
    If half-sub .... Yuch Kuchma will agree on a real cease-fire with the same half-sub ... Zurabov and men, women and children will survive, this is a huge deal! But then you can introduce peacekeepers and make buffer zones and recognize New Russia!
    The junta will not go anywhere from the submarine and no America will help them! Incidentally, therefore, the junta doesn’t want to go to the world!
    1. Igor62
      -1
      24 June 2014 16: 46
      Briefly and clearly. +
  26. +1
    24 June 2014 08: 26
    The Russian government is doing the right thing! The Ukrainians were stupefied by their goals, but any stupefying will soon fly away and inspiration will come! We need to give people time to understand and correct mistakes! The people of Ukraine have been led into deep deception, but sooner or later, every box will be revealed and awareness of its errors will come! And our task is to think not only about New Russia, but also about the whole Ukraine.
    1. -3
      24 June 2014 08: 48
      Well summed up. I support. Glory to the Russian World!
    2. +2
      24 June 2014 11: 48
      The entire population of the LPR and DPR, going to the referendum, waited and hoped for Russia. Have you waited?
      I. STRELKOV: ... There are no GRU special forces here, there are no Russian intelligence specialists, there are no Chechen battalions here. There are people here from Russia and the CIS. But there are literally a few of them. Almost all of the militias are local. Ordinary local guys, with a minimum of weapons ... the ratio in HEAVY weapons is simply unbearable .... "
      Pay attention - with a minimum of weapons.

      I strongly disagree with the opinion: "... This is primarily their land."
      Who divided us and continues to divide us?
      Or is it a confirmation of the opinion of a Jewess who tried to convince me that such a nation as Russians does not exist?
      Yes - a crisis. Yes - mass zombies, that the purpose of life is money, comfort and the motherland where it’s good. Yes - the enemies are trying to rub their hands on the fragment of the great USSR of Russia.
      BUT - DO NOT WAIT!
    3. Victory V
      +3
      24 June 2014 13: 13
      Do you yourself believe in what you write? What is the insight? And how can this help those who are now defending
      blood your right to be Russian?
      We are like Serbs now. They probably felt the same way when they hoped until the last that they would not give up, that they would help. And as a result, they didn’t help, and they pushed for negotiations .. well, the result is notorious.
      What kind of insight you expect from Svidomo-is unclear. But from invisible you can wait for hatred for betrayal.
      We probably did not come out with erysipelas. We are not Ostetins, but simply Russians and Orthodox. So we were not lucky.
      Thanks to those Russians who are now in our SE! You do not need orders and do not care about the political situation.
      Thank you for your call of heart and blood.
      1. 0
        24 June 2014 18: 41
        In recent days, RUSSIA has accepted about half a million refugees from Ukraine and helps these people with everything they need, since many literally "in what their mother gave birth to" fled from the war! And yet, even among these people, there are many of those who do not want to become Russian, but dream of returning and being Ukrainian! So for whom should the sons of Russia lay their heads? Not for those who sit in the mines? Enough! Helped! Look what a snake was growing on his chest. Raised yourself a DEAD - so expel yourself!
  27. +3
    24 June 2014 08: 29
    The author does not own the question. Well, firstly, these are not negotiations, as such, but consultations, during which a cease-fire was concluded. How it will be implemented is another question. And, secondly, even a dialogue with frostbitten fascists is necessary. This is a necessary measure. This is any better than communicating through weapons. Understanding the emotions of the author, I want to note that no one there fraternizes and does not recognize the Nazis.
  28. +1
    24 June 2014 08: 31
    Whenever they want to cheat, they try to play on emotions, emotions turned on, the brain turned off.
  29. 0
    24 June 2014 08: 34
    so I wonder if you put the author in the president’s chair what will he do ?!
  30. ed65b
    +9
    24 June 2014 08: 37
    Of course you need to speak. It is desirable, of course, that negotiations take place against the backdrop of the military successes of the militia, but life is life, the success of the militia is obvious even if Slavyansk and Kramatorsk stand. And you need to talk.
  31. I am proud of Russia
    0
    24 June 2014 08: 38
    I liked about the respect of Israel) Directly all the neighbors respect him as one))
  32. Shont
    -2
    24 June 2014 08: 38
    Quote: dejavu
    I am a simple person, not very knowledgeable in political intrigues


    The key to this stream of emotions.


    I agree. Mr. writer, as he himself put it, understands nothing in politics. Although, here it is not necessary to understand too much. Very emotionally, you, my friend, with such analytical abilities should not be allowed to get close to management.
  33. +6
    24 June 2014 08: 38
    The author is 100% right. It’s not necessary to send troops, BUT you can answer with return fire at Ukrainian positions. Indeed, Israel does not stand on ceremony with the Palestinians, it immediately responds with a bamboo missile strike. Why is Russia engaged in coping with it ?? A powerful country, but looks west, no matter how it turns out, disgusting to stupor !! That’s why in the West we have nothing to put, and we were sure that all the bodygirl with Ukraine would pass and Russia would accept Nazi power. Correctly, one journalist from the West wrote that if a coup would take place in Mexico and the Communists came to power, then the next day, American troops would have stood there, and they wanted to spit on the UN, OSCE, etc. organizations. THIS IS A STRONG POSITION !!!! But we can’t clearly say anything, don’t recognize Novorossia, don’t help militarily. We collect money among Russians !!
  34. 0
    24 June 2014 08: 39
    I read to this place, I quote: "Who prevented Russia from putting at least a couple of missiles (not nuclear, of course) on the places of concentration of the Ukrainian National Guard in response to the injury of Russian citizens on the Ukrainian-Russian border? Israel, I remember, always responds to such incidents with appropriate For this he is respected all over the world. "
    The author, with such views ....., hmm, no need, do not argue anymore. And do not write, M. Bulgakov immediately comes to mind "Heart of a Dog" (two winged expressions at once):
    1. "Do not read" liberal "(paraphrased) my dear newspapers! So there are no others? So do not read any!
    2. Well, what do you think about this Sharikov, curious?
    What is there to think? What is known - Take everything and share!
    The offer to snipe at enemies while sitting on the couch with a cup of coffee is a provocation and meanness. And it's very convenient in case something goes wrong. You can always turn on the "back" and say that no, it was not necessary. And the most important thing that pisses me off is that they write everywhere - Putin promised. Excuse me, who did you promise? And what did he promise? That we will start a war (and you are calling for this)?
    How it all comes out, they missed out on missiles and the whole world immediately respects us (on the example of Israel, as you write). So why then with simple missiles, let’s already have nuclear weapons, we’ll crash so much (DMB film). Arrange a fireworks so to speak on a planetary scale with the subsequent apocalypse, so why trifle it?
  35. 0
    24 June 2014 08: 39
    Another lover to solve all problems with one paratrooper regiment.
    1. 0
      24 June 2014 13: 02
      Another lover to solve all problems with one paratrooper regiment.


      parachute-sofa regiment.
      1. byego
        0
        26 June 2014 11: 34
        This is a Chechen company.
        But still correctly noticed;)
  36. +4
    24 June 2014 08: 41
    I support the policy of the president. If the borders are violated, knock down a turntable, knock out an armored personnel carrier or a tank, grumble at the positions of mortar bombers when shelling our territory, this is the recipe for sobering up the
  37. +7
    24 June 2014 08: 43
    The fact that negotiations are going on in the Donbass, and not in Kyive, means a lot. This is already a progress. At least some beginning to find a foothold.
  38. Nikolav
    +6
    24 June 2014 08: 45
    No need to play diplomatic games. They should be regarded as an attempt to cover the mouth of the rabid West, to pretend that Russia is meeting their demands. The usual diplomatic practice is in plain sight. What's going on under the carpet? We do not know for sure, but we can indirectly judge. There is a strengthening of the self-defense forces, a certain decline in accusatory rhetoric from the West. "Calm. Only calm!" - so said Carlson.
  39. +3
    24 June 2014 08: 46
    Yes, all these "negotiations" are fiction and clownery! Kuchma and Zurabov are clowns, if these were real negotiations, they would have sent more serious people. And these characters are a comedy, and only ...
  40. +3
    24 June 2014 08: 51
    WHAT IS THE SALT - SUCH AN AMBASSADOR!
  41. -2
    24 June 2014 08: 55
    I'm a simple person


    Author, you are a simple provocateur.
    If New Russia is so bothering you, why aren’t you fighting there yet?
    A policy is being made in the Kremlin on which all our lives depend, including yours, wherever you are in Russia or the USA or in Europe or Ukraine. Or do you want bombs to fall on our cities tomorrow? That my five-year-old daughter join that five-year-old child from Slavyansk? Or so that a fungus grows on the lawn near the White House?
    I hope that GDP will clear the situation with minimal losses for Russians both in Ukraine and in Russia. And we’ll always have time to fight, if there are chances to resolve the matter without a big fight, then we must use it.
    1. -1
      24 June 2014 11: 31
      Quote: alicante11
      I'm a simple person


      Author, you are a simple provocateur.
      If New Russia is so bothering you, why aren’t you fighting there yet?
      A policy is being made in the Kremlin on which all our lives depend, including yours, wherever you are in Russia or the USA or in Europe or Ukraine. Or do you want bombs to fall on our cities tomorrow? That my five-year-old daughter join that five-year-old child from Slavyansk? Or so that a fungus grows on the lawn near the White House?
      I hope that GDP will clear the situation with minimal losses for Russians both in Ukraine and in Russia. And we’ll always have time to fight, if there are chances to resolve the matter without a big fight, then we must use it.


      Everything is absolutely correct. Except as provocative, working for the US State Department, you can’t name an article.
      If you think this is not the case, please check out the vision of the US representative, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Ronald Reagan administration, Paul Craig Roberts.

      RIA News
      http://ria.ru/world/20140623/1013145162.html

  42. +8
    24 June 2014 08: 55
    Well, it started ...
    As soon as someone speaks out not complimentingly with respect to the Russian leadership or its policies, all those who know, are unemotional, and completely right-wing always support the stability, and it begins:
    Quote: olegff68
    The boss is all gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving ...

    Quote: Veles75
    author teach political science,

    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    , it seems everyone knows what to do except Putin! mass of idiotic calls

    Quote: roman72-452
    Well, yes. They’ve seen enough of the TV and let's analyze it.

    Quote: sso-250659
    Another provocative article! Did the urks order her?

    Quote: S-17
    Another provocative vys.r!

    Quote: kush62
    An article such as a conversation in the kitchen.

    Quote: Dwarfik
    The author draws strange conclusions!

    Quote: druidcat
    The author is a provocateur.

    Quote: Kushadasov
    The author does not own the question.


    Yes, I, too, "have seen enough TV", do not know the question and draw strange conclusions (that I am a provocateur, Nazi-fascist-liberal pro-government on the site has known for sure for a long time) and this is what I noticed - Zurabov was from the Ukrainian side. Not from the representatives of Novorosiya and not neutral in the middle, but from the representatives of the Kiev illegal government.
    By the way, the all-knowing site moderator once shouted that Putin would never recognize the Bandera Nazis who seized power in Kiev.
    Time has shown which of us THEN was right.
    So do not merge and all this is a "cunning plan"?
    It would be time for this cunning plan to stop smoking already pro-government, then maybe the brains will become clear and reality will be realized.

    A plus article!
    1. -3
      24 June 2014 10: 58
      Quote: Normal
      It would be time for this cunning plan to stop smoking already pro-government, then maybe the brains will become clear and reality will be realized.

      It's time for you to stop smoking. Bad habit for head health.
      They wrote many letters, but washed off one - I am D'Artagnan, and the government - .... nervously smokes.
      Why should the plan be tricky? And why the only one? You, comrade, sofa "general". Want to speak out - write an article with facts and reasoning. And you shouldn't consider yourself to be an order of magnitude smarter than the president's advisers a priori.
      1. -1
        24 June 2014 13: 51
        Well, it started ...
        As soon as someone speaks out not complimentingly with respect to the Russian leadership or its policies, all those who know, are unemotional, and completely right-wing always support the stability, and it begins:

        HOW ABLE IT DELIVERED FROM FOOT TO HEAD. If you wrote that in vain
        PUTIN DID NOT SHOOT SERDYUKOV, I WOULD SUPPORT. And when they allegedly write an opinion that has already been chewed many times, what our troops have to do there is nothing to do and laid out on shelves a thousand times, why. A patriot cannot come out of a screamer. You need help, but you can’t introduce an army. And the slogan forward to Berlin (Kiev) is simply idle talk or provocation !!!
    2. 0
      24 June 2014 10: 58
      Quote: Normal
      So do not merge and all this is a "cunning plan"?

      And there is no "cunning plan", everyone thinks that Putin is silent because he has the above-mentioned plan, in fact, there is no consensus among the oligarchic elite, where Putin acts as an arbiter, about Novorossiya, so the President of the Russian Federation has nothing to voice
    3. +1
      24 June 2014 13: 06
      Quote: Normal
      It would be time for this cunning plan to stop smoking already pro-government, then maybe the brains will become clear and reality will be realized.

      Nothing to add. Of course, it is understandable the desire of people to wishful thinking, but, unfortunately, the facts belong to the world of reality, and desires, even the best, to the world of illusions. It’s better to be aware of realities, and not to be held captive by dreams.
      And the facts are such that the south-west of Ukraine is currently, unfortunately, not considered by the Russian authorities as its own territory and actions are aimed, mainly not at supporting the militias, but at resolving the confrontation by peaceful means while maintaining the DNR and LNR status of Ukrainian regions. The question is, what are the implications of such a strategic decision. Perhaps this is justified, perhaps not, but the facts are just that.
  43. -2
    24 June 2014 08: 57
    The political defeat of the "Ukrainian junta" has already begun, so the articles "Russia is merging Novorossia", "Russia is intervening in Novorossia", "Putin, help" one article contradicts the other, and it becomes clear to everyone how events will unfold.
    1. -1
      24 June 2014 13: 27
      Thank you for minus, confirm my words.
      1. 0
        24 June 2014 19: 05
        Indistinctly stated.
  44. +4
    24 June 2014 08: 59
    until at least 10% of the population of Lugansk and Donetsk rises in armed struggle, the situation does not wrap up although in this situation there are pluses the junta puts all the money into the ATO and winter is around the corner, as they say comes at the wrong time I think this situation is being held in order to dill realized their wretched policies who do not skip that
  45. +4
    24 June 2014 09: 03
    But what, does someone believe in the possibility of real military operations with huge casualties in the event of direct military assistance to New Russia?
  46. -6
    24 June 2014 09: 14
    Quote---At the moment, I see that Russia, strenuously declaring its resurgent power, actually can’t reveal anything to the world, except for empty empty diplomatic phrases
    The author should be reminded of the sparkling expression -The nobility of power in its non-use
    1. +2
      24 June 2014 11: 00
      not in our case
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  47. +8
    24 June 2014 09: 14
    And here I agree with the author, so far, apart from Crimea, no action has been taken to maintain their interests, except for any diplomatic notes with which Russia did not take a junta in the toilet in the toilet, even if they announced a no-fly zone, it would be good.
  48. -6
    24 June 2014 09: 14
    "I am a simple person, not very well versed in political intrigue." Stump. you are the author. And such stumps are all who add up. War with the "state of Ukraine", where relatives of half of Russia live? My father came to the RSFSR from western Ukraine. Believe me - there are normal people there. And there are diasporas from other states - Poles, Hungarians, Romanians. My father himself is a representative of such a diaspora. None of them want war. It is necessary to defeat the Kiev junta - and to raise all the regions to fight, especially since recently it has begun to reach the Ukrainians - the civil war is going on with heavy losses and they are not happy with the coffins of their children.
    1. +4
      24 June 2014 10: 26
      But did the author suggest starting a war? It is necessary to read, and not as in a joke about the woman whom the pussy turned to. READ and try to remember what is written at the beginning of the article.
    2. Nikolav
      +2
      24 June 2014 12: 17
      I put the author a plus. He’s not a provocateur
      as some write, and even more so not a stump (and this is rudeness). A man sincerely and interestedly expressed his point of view, he worries about the situation, like you, like us all. And his point of view also deserves consideration. It can only be very emotionally expressed.
  49. -2
    24 June 2014 09: 16
    I believe that in Ukraine there is a war of corporations, or anything personal. And for us, "husk", "information background" is being pumped up. "Big uncles" are dividing the market, and the population is not "lucky" to be in the wrong place.
    I am very interested in how a "small" group of militias keeps the city for several months. I agree that in Ukraine the army has collapsed, but not to the same extent, so as not to recruit several battalions of "special forces". Our army, which is in a similar state in the 90s, managed to take Grozny, which is more than Slavensk.
    Therefore, I think that all the songs are about someone leaking, or that someone has a "brilliant" plan to counter the "banderization" of Ukraine, nonsense and "informational" background to distract the "people". The "big uncles" are now desperately bargaining to whom which spheres of influence will go. As soon as an acceptable result is achieved, the hostilities will end, the "benderlogs" will listen to the wise "Kaa" and hide, the "militias" will turn into civilians. Of course, it is also possible that they will not share, then they will continue to defend their interests, exterminating the population, destroying infrastructure and "yelling" to the whole world about their heroism and the "lawlessness" of the enemy.
    Interestingly, for about 20 years they've been slurping around the topic of the Russian language in Ukraine, and it never occurred to anyone to fight. And now, this is almost the main reason for the war.
    1. +4
      24 June 2014 10: 47
      The question is, if your son or your mother were in the place of the customs officer and the injured second citizen of the Russian Federation, then I think you would go with a candle to the Ukrainian Embassy? The author does not offer to start a war, he suggests doing what all self-respecting countries do.
      1. Alexan
        0
        24 June 2014 11: 58
        He suggests that no negotiations be held. That is - the war to a victorious end? Even a relative weekly respite for the warriors is good. For this, one must sit down at the negotiating table. Those who came to the negotiations are quite sane people.
      2. +1
        24 June 2014 13: 03
        "All self-respecting countries" generally do not allow their neighbors to have what happened in Ukraine. The only thing the Americans need is for Russia to find itself in the position of a "besieged fortress." Look at how literally every day their vice president threatens Russia with all the punishments possible. Apparently, his son promised his friends with three boxes about the extraction of shale gas from the Slavyansk, and here, as luck would have it, time passes, but there is still no production. We know from Hollywood films how those who do not keep their word end up in American gangs.
        And negotiations are always useful. Maybe even the wounded and prisoners will be saved from death at this time.
    2. +2
      24 June 2014 13: 37
      Quote: gnv731
      I believe that in Ukraine there is a war of corporations, or anything personal. And for us, "husk", "information background" is being pumped up. "Big uncles" are dividing the market, and the population is not "lucky" to be in the wrong place.

      not a bad comment, which is close enough to the truth. It’s strange that 3 minuses ...
    3. 0
      25 June 2014 00: 14
      I could not resist. Not funny of course, but laughing
  50. +1
    24 June 2014 09: 18
    Yes, this will always happen now. They remembered the rhetoric of the USSR. Only now we are in the wrong position and the wrong way. It is already clear that all the agreements are not being implemented. since there are more than two warring parties. And yes, we met, talked ... the Americans very much asked about it ... in their usual manner.))
  51. +3
    24 June 2014 09: 19
    Quote: Balamyt
    For some reason, it seems to me that it is likely that the current check of the combat readiness of our armed forces may well end in Kiev. God give it!

    баламут вы и есть...
  52. -1
    24 June 2014 09: 20
    автор, езжай воюй, диванный воин
  53. -1
    24 June 2014 09: 22
    Приветствую всех! Прочитал статейку, не думал что желтая пресса проявится на сайте... request recourse
  54. -1
    24 June 2014 09: 24
    Автор, ну конечно же надо ввести войска устроить "международную войну" (юридически), перехерачить фиг знает сколько солдат и мирных жителей, вступить в конфликт с половиной мира (не самой слабой). Тут же введут войска нато на украину, будет очередная встреча на эльбе, разделить государство т.е. в лучшем случае путем кровавых боев отобрать две области, выступить агрессором, что бы потом каждая шавка в оон могла плюнуть в Росиию, произвести добровольную изоляцию (сми постараются, уже вижу заголовки Путин = гитлер, напал аннексировал, всех убил и т.д. и т.п.).А главное ради чего!? Спасти несколько сотен человек от смерти, пусть тысячу, да это будет очень хорошо, люди эти будут до гроба благодарны, в лучшем случае. А скольким тысячам жизнь угробить из-за этого благороднейшего хода? Помимо убитых военных, раненых, искалеченных, еще и мирным жителям уже России и как следствие всего Евразийского союза? И что получим в итоге? Агрессивнейшее государство рядом с границей, с полным правом на эти земли, а на "аннексированной" территории ничего толком не построишь, ибо судьба областей вообще не ясна будет, десятилетия еще. Получим пораженную терроризмом на долгие годы зону, 7 миллионов ртов которых кормить надо, за свой счет, потому что там все разрушено будет. И кормить их будут за счет налогов наших с вами, и как следствие в России мощнейший социальный бунт и т.д. и т.п. Это не учитывая того, какие еще шаги может запад предпринять, какие ловушки уже расставлены, какие поставят. При таких раскладах в сми вести сейчас войска - значит подписать нашей власти смертный приговор, а заодно возможно и России. Желает этого запад, да непременно, это их цель как максимум.
    Жаль население Юго-Востока - очень жаль, страшна их участь, уже убитых замученных и искалеченных. И что делать, подставлять под удар еще 140 млн человек, это гарантированные жертвы будущих военных действий, социальных пертурбаций и т.д. плюс жители остального ЕАК? Или исходить из того, что война с западом неизбежна и эти люди все потенциальные покойники ядерного конфликта и с криком, кто не рискует, ввести войска? Жизнь очень жестока, люди умирают тысячами каждый день. Это факт. Плохо когда они умирают раньше срока, когда их убивают, это надо пресекать. Как пресекать? Я не знаю как. Надеюсь Путин знает.
    Но вопрос остается, как же быть жителям Юго-Востока и вообще нормальному населению украины? Когда на тебя падают снаряды, особо о геополитики думать не будешь, а будешь помощь звать, будешь страшно злиться и проклинать всё и вся, когда тебя не услышат, да это страшно. И выбор у них не большой или победить или умереть. Там из всего региона в 7 млн, хорошо, если 10-20 тысяч воюет, а остальные чего ждут? Как их спасать, если они сами о себе не думают или им такая судьба нравится? Главный вопрос - почему там еще есть мирные здоровые мужики?

    Вот примеряю такую ситуацию на свой регион, не дай Бог такое случится, в моем городе. Да это очень страшно взять в руки автомат и пойти воевать, реально страшно, что бы кто что не говорил, но при таком скромном выборе, что сидеть и ждать когда тебя и твою семью убьют?

    Вот исходя хотя бы из таких лежащих на поверхности данных, легко ли принять решение Владимиру Владимировичу? А ведь у него источников информации "несколько" больше, чем из сми. А в случае чего виноват будет он один, лично он, сми постараются, никто не будет разбираться сколько в Кремле предателей и что они постараются сделать. Автор так рассуждает, будто ввести войска это на ковёр насрать, будет пахнуть - легко совочком уберем. О последствиях автор подумал? Очень хорошо, что Путин думать умеет.

    Так вот автор ты за кого!? Или просто клинически ничего не понимаешь? Или ты по заказу, за деньги не от злости?
  55. +8
    24 June 2014 09: 24
    Давайте вспомним старый анекдот, подведя его под нынешнюю ситуацию:" По сообщению СМИ на российско-украинской границе был обстрелян мирно пашущий трактор "Беларусь". Ответным огнем трактора "Беларусь" были уничтожены две дивизии "правосеков". Приводим отрывок из интервью с местным фермером, гвардии полковником Петровым -"Что Вам нужно для успешного завершения уборки урожая?" -"Мне просто необходимы пара звеньев комбайнов "Нива" с полным вооружением..."
    1. +5
      24 June 2014 11: 41
      Quote: Sanglier
      "Мне просто необходимы пара звеньев комбайнов "Нива" с полным вооружением..."

      В такой модификации?
  56. -1
    24 June 2014 09: 25
    автор статьи пытается выдать свое личное мнение по ситуации отношений Украины, США, ЕС и России, но делает большую ошибку, его взгляд на ситуации весьма ограничен, мыслит слишком шаблонно, абсолютно не просчитывая ситуацию что называется "на два шага вперед"... bully
  57. +3
    24 June 2014 09: 32
    Quote: Letun
    It’s probably a secret for the author that any war, except for the war of annihilation, ends with negotiations. Even in the year 45, before signing the surrender, negotiations were held with the Nazis. Although you can certainly demonstrate a proud profile on your couch by sending soldiers to war, but then you still have to negotiate, though by spilling a river of blood. Not mine ...



    Уже в конце 1944 начале 1945 а именно февраль началась дележка немецких территорий и долгие мучительные переговоры между СССР-Англией-США, вот так с помощью англосаксы не спешили, а когда война ещё не кончилась делить начали.
  58. +4
    24 June 2014 09: 36
    Сначала у меня были такие же настроения как и у автора статьи. По мере получения информации "кубики" складываются, и приходит понимание что в ситуации на Украине и вокруг этой ситуации не так всё линейно.
    Сдавать Новороссию конечно нельзя, но делать это нужно не тупыми "вводами войск, авианалётами и т.д."
    Необходимо прежде всего использовать другие способы воздействия, их много, перечислять нет смысла.
    Не исключено военное вмешательство, но это самый последний вариант, и самый неэффективный.
    I think so.
  59. kronverg
    -5
    24 June 2014 09: 40
    Ширится пропутинская пропаганда - "сдыхайте сами"
  60. -1
    24 June 2014 09: 43
    "За последние 10-15 лет какие только страны, от США до Израиля, не использовали за своими границами собственные ВС ради своих интересов."

    Так только США и Израиль и использовали.

    А с кем тогда автор предлагает вести переговоры? Или предлагаете продолжать войнушку?
  61. +2
    24 June 2014 09: 52
    Автор высказал свое мнение.... имеет право! А прав не прав время покажет ..(сердцем с автором согласен а вот разумом нет)
  62. -1
    24 June 2014 09: 53
    Что то много на сайте стало появляться призывов к втягиванию России в войну на Украине. Наша пятая колонна активизировалась?
  63. -1
    24 June 2014 09: 55
    "Прочитал в новостях, что в Донецке начались переговоры с теми, кто устроил Хатынь в Одессе. Среди всех прочих в этих переговорах, как сообщается, принимает участие посол России на Украине Михаил Зурабов.
    Юридически посол России — это сама Россия. Россия опустилась до переговоров с теми, чьи идейные вдохновители были казнены по приговору Нюрнбергского трибунала. Россия обозначила, что считает своим равноправным собеседником откровенно-фашистскую киевскую хунту."

    Насколько я понял, Россия в этом процессе официально занимает роль посредника. И очень хорошо. Гораздо хуже было бы, если в указанном процессе решили обойтись без России.
    А рассуждения по поводу того, что "опустилась до переговоров с..." считаю неумными: переговоры с врагом дело вполне обычное, хотя бы об условиях капитуляции. Война штука страшная и крайне дорогая. Легко рассуждать о войне до победного конца. Особенно если сидишь не в окопе, а на диване. И если снаряды не летят в твой дом и не тебе потом восстанавливать разрушенные жилье, заводы, мосты, дороги... Не тебе содержать ивалидов, решать проблему сирот и прочие удовольствия.
  64. M. Isaev
    +2
    24 June 2014 09: 59
    С ополченцами Новороссии поступят так же как с коммунарами в Париже. Выведут и расстреляют как террористов. Амнистия только для тех кто "не совершал серьезных преступлений" А ведь Губарева закрыли за одни только речи о свободе выбора и обвинили во всех смертных грехах. Стрелков, Болотов, Царев и другие лидеры Новороссии по определению хунты подлежат суду. Так и судов для многих не будет. Сгноят по тихому. И еще олигархической верхушке не нужен поток пассионарности идущий снизу. Их "сольют" и накажут чтоб своим неповадно было.
    1. +1
      24 June 2014 12: 43
      Ну раз "корветы" ополченцам получают, значит не сольют, больно дорого обеспечивать покойников продвинутой техникой.
      Просто пока зеркальный Сирийский вариант военных действий. Америка получает назад всю свою "демократизацию" и по полной, и уже даже перестала визжать от "удовольствия".
  65. +1
    24 June 2014 10: 05
    У Новороссии военных сил меньше чем у хунты (они не могут пока выбить со своей территории врага), по-этому чем дольше перемирие тем лучше ополченцам.
    Вряд ли за время перемирия "хунта сделает перегруппировку и станет ещё хуже" так как они уже не раз перегруппировывались и пока это им мало помогало.
    1. +4
      24 June 2014 11: 21
      Quote: tan0472
      Вряд ли за время перемирия "хунта сделает перегруппировку и станет ещё хуже" так как они уже не раз перегруппировывались и пока это им мало помогало.

      В условиях ПРЕДВАРИТЕЛЬНЫХ договорённостей,выдвинутых представителями Юго Востока,есть пункт,в котором указанно,что на время перемирия(цитата) :"приостанавливается процесс переброски и передислокации войск и подразделений".И что контроль за исполнением этих пунктов возлагается на ОБСЕ и Россию...

      Вот и посмотрим,КТО КАК будет "мониторить",и КТО и КАК будет придерживаться договорённостей.

      В общем узнаем,"КТО ЕСТЬ ХУ"...
  66. +1
    24 June 2014 10: 08
    Автору большой плюс,хотя не со всем согласен
  67. -1
    24 June 2014 10: 12
    Ну вот и началось. Как только Россия дипломатическими и скрытыми силовыми методами начала продавливать украинское руководство, резко усилилась истерия в стиле - всесливаем. Посыпались статья за статьей. Желающие немедленного ввода войск, это для вас. Уже дописались до того, что переговоры - это плохо. Нужна война!!!!
  68. 0
    24 June 2014 10: 17
    Unconstructive tantrum. Look carefully, everything that Putin has done has led to negotiations.
    1. Militias held with the support of Russia.
    2. Russia has withdrawn troops from the border to show the west, we will do as you ask, but it will be worse.
    3. Russia returned troops to the border and began full-scale exercises and training in the event of a military conflict. Namely, the crossing of the Ukrainian army of the borders of Russia.
    4. Calm ignoring the provocation for Russia to send troops.
    5. Russia did not begin to clean and correct mistakes for the USA and the EU.
    6. Russia transferred Ukraine to prepayment, despite pressure from the West.
    Fear, that’s what Poroshenko and the West now own, they don’t know what to do. And when you do not know what to do, you must do as Russia wants. They still have the hope that during the negotiations, it will be possible, by pressure, to find a loophole to force Russia to do as they want. After all, they don’t want to admit that the West has done a lot of things.
    Calm down with your provocation, you and your owners lost. Further it will be worse for Ukraine, the USA and the EU. Russia and the southeast have nothing to blame.
  69. +5
    24 June 2014 10: 22
    Автор прав , он не предлагает вводить войска на Украину , он правильно пишет , что ни одна страна в мире , которая считает себя обьектом международного права не позволит обстреливать свою территорию. Он предлагает очень не глупые вещи , нанести ответный удар по огневым позициям артиллерии Украины. Есть артиллерийская разведка , есть арт .батареи , есть посол Украины сидящий в Москве, есть ООн и есть ОБСЕ. Всех предупредить и в следующий раз сразу нанести удар и думаю провокации прекратятся. Уважаемые , преданные царю и престолу комментаторы , не хайте человека , который высказал свою мысль и на мой взгляд не глупую.
    1. +1
      24 June 2014 12: 52
      Хм, достаточно фиксации военного ответа России по территории Украины, чтобы под крик мировой прессы объявить войну России, при полной поддержке США и НАТО. Если Вы вспомните, первоначально мировой ор был и наезд на Россию даже без боевых действий, только за недоказанную поддержку "cепаратистов". Хотя те же действия на западе Украина, тот же захват правым сектором администраций и постановка своих "народных мэров" прошел в полном согласии и при нескрываемой поддержке США.
  70. Ivan 63
    +2
    24 June 2014 10: 28
    Да, к сожалению это наша постоянная практика- упираться и ждать до последнего, менталитет такой, понимаю автора у самого зубы сжаты и не дай Бог таким как я принимать решения,(а может наоборот?), но надеюсь не только учения проходят не зря.
    1. +1
      24 June 2014 12: 13
      Ага и война против Грузии тому пример laughing
  71. +2
    24 June 2014 10: 34
    Сталин то же стратегические планы разрабатывал (не разводите панику , войны не будет), покуда немцы до Москвы не дошли. Так и Путин разрабатывает стратегии , по куда укропы не раздолбают ДНР и ЛНР и не вторгнутся в Крым с помощью наемников с гейропы . Только в 1941 техника и вооружение было не то, а сейчас кто первым тот и на коне . США от того что задумали не отступятся , не для того они все это затевали с хохляндией. Не хочешь сам так дай оружие людям в ДНР и ЛНР , люди и за себя и за Россию постоят . Желающих много но нет оружия и снаряжения .
  72. -2
    24 June 2014 10: 34
    Статье не поставил ни плюс, ни минус.
    Не разделяю совершенно призывов о вводе войск.
    Не разделяю совершенно дифирамбов Путину. Он олицетворение правящей в России олигархии и не более. Живут они иными мыслями, в другой реальности. На народ Новоросии, как и на народ России ему наплевать. И больше всего наплевать именно на русский народ. Он это подчеркивает при каждом удобном случае. А еще больше его характеризуют дела. Одно заселение России мигрантами чего стоит. Или спокойное созерцание "культурных различий кавказских народов", демонстрируемых на нашей земле. Он просто об этом не думает. По барабану...
    И вы ждете, что он будет думать о русских в Новоросии?
    1. -2
      24 June 2014 11: 17
      Quote: I doubt it
      Одно заселение России мигрантами чего стоит.

      Ваш интеллект так и прет из всех щелей.
  73. +3
    24 June 2014 10: 44
    Автор прав , он не предлагает начать войну с Украиной и ввести войска , кто комментируют его видимо иностранцы ( не все но судя по комментариям довольно много их), автор предлагает привлечь нашу артиллерию для подавления артиллерии , которая ведет огонь по нашей территории с территории Украины. Надо было после первого раза предупредить их посла, довести все нарушения и предупредить ООН , ОБСЕ об ответных мерах , а потом поступить , как это делает все уважающие себя страны.
  74. komrad.klim
    -5
    24 June 2014 10: 47
    Минусуйте провокатора - автора статьи!

    Для ТУПЫХ и совершенно ТУПЫХ смотреть и слушать внимательно!!!
    Если не дойдет с первого раза, второй и третий просмотр рекомендуется!

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    2. +1
      24 June 2014 11: 15
      где то я таких видел.
      ...МММ, Гербалайф?
  75. +5
    24 June 2014 10: 50
    Quote: olegff68
    Мне вот интересно - сам автор готов ехать воевать на Украину ??? А послать воевать своих детей ??? Причём пока свои же жители ЮгоВостка , например Харьковчане исправно , в 3 смены штампуют оружие хунте


    Опять началось.... толстовцы-непротивленцы в действии! Избитые фразы и вопросы.
    Готов ли автор воевать? А наша армия на что? Думаете там мало желающих отстоять честь своих дедов, которые на полбуханке хлеба в день, поколено в грязи и без весточки от родных кровь свою лили на фронтах против фашисткого отродья?!
    Не все такие хатаскрайники как вы.
    И такие как вы создают благоприятный тон для нациков, которые жгли людей в Одессе.
    Continue in the same spirit.
    Давления от народа, значит, на Путина не будет (по вводу войск) и Новороссию по тихой сольют,как слил в свое время Черномырдин Югославию. Там ВООБЩЕ ничего плохого не предвещало. А Черномырдин приехал и как то убедил Югославов прекратить борьбу.

    На вашей совести и таких как вы будет слив Новороссии, если хунта переломит ход войны в свою пользу. Если вам плевать на честь своих дедов (если те воевали, конечно), значит вашм детям будет плевать на вашу честь.
    Ликует хунта: «Сдохли террористы!»
    А террористы – бабушка и дед.
    В слезах хоронит мать сепаратиста.
    «Сепаратисту» только 8 лет …
    1. -5
      24 June 2014 11: 40
      Quote: Magadan
      На вашей совести и таких как вы будет слив Новороссии, если хунта переломит ход войны в свою пользу.

      Голос патриота из Америки!
  76. 0
    24 June 2014 11: 00
    Quote: Aydar
    Kuzhugetich, as you familiarly deigned to express yourself (although the reasons for such familiarity are incomprehensible, Petrovich or Ivanych would be understandable, but Kuzhuget is a Tuvan name and not a Russian one) - well, that's not the point. So it would be more useful for "Kuzhugetich" to honor the catastrophic desecration of its own population and the decline in its even minimum educational level, which is especially clearly seen in your case. Well, please tell me what kind of "that side" is, and even in Soviet times, Kazakh chtoli? Well, under the USSR it was a single country and there was no "that side" there, but if you think that the present Semipalatinsk (Semey) about which your mind knows only from the test site is "borderline" and divided into "that side" and " your side "- then in this case your" Kuzhugetich "just right to grab his head and howl wildly, and then there is a war like you, for example, Britain or Bonn on the map will be able to find a" vigorous bonboy "shandarahnut? That way, instead of the obsessed Obama and Merkel, you can inadvertently and innocently hook the innocent Khan Carlos in the park. Learn in general, for how Ilyich inspired the whole world in learning.

    Вам тоШ поучиться не помешало бы. Оппонент имел ввиду Жаланашколь и китайскую границу. Напомню - это было после Чингисхана, но до Желтоксана.
    И минуса ему влепили незаслуженно! am
  77. soyuz-nik
    -1
    24 June 2014 11: 03
    Good health, I wish!

    Искренне надеюсь, что

    (А) ВВП опасается последствий запандосских санкций не для себя лично и своего окружения, а опасается последствий для народа России, в противном случае смахивает, что ВВП с Яныком - одного поля ягодки,

    (Б) ВВП действует в соответствии с принципом "дзю" - поддаться, чтобы победить и, что у него есть доступ к болевым точкам оппонентов России.
  78. -1
    24 June 2014 11: 04
    Нам надо что то делать очень решительно. Хирург мгновенно отрезает то что мешает организму.
  79. +1
    24 June 2014 11: 05
    Господи..ещё один с бронепоезда..Да,переговоры не легитимны..те кто представляет Украину, по большому счёту никто не уполномочивал..Не смотря на это Россия согласилась..и правильно сделала..
  80. Semurik
    -1
    24 June 2014 11: 06
    "Юридически посол России — это сама Россия. Россия опустилась до переговоров с теми, чьи идейные вдохновители были казнены по приговору Нюрнбергского трибунала. Россия обозначила, что считает своим равноправным собеседником откровенно-фашистскую киевскую хунту."

    Оспади! сам факт принятия участия в переговорах-большое и нужное дело! а кого посылать? Жириновского? Лимонова? тогда уж точно будет: "а давайте вместе @нем по Тбилиси" (с)
    Когда горит дом, нужно вызывать пожарных (то бишь ПРОФЕССИОНАЛОВ), а не просто патриотов с ведерками!!!
    Мнение автора-популизм, основанный на настроениях (а хотя бы и некоторых присутствующих на сайте) людей и паникерство! легко орать "Ракетой аааагонь". а вот взять и применить мозги, искусство убеждения, аргументированные факты и позиции-это высший пилотаж!
    Ведь не факт, что мнение того же господина Зурабова совпадает с государственной оценкой происходящего. Но он-официальный представитель государства, призванный ОСТАНОВИТЬ кровопролитие и добиться этого.
    Не нужно путать закат с трусами после менструации!!!!
    Мы (имеются в ввиду россияне, а конкретнее-официальные лица) должны вести переговоры с любыми представителями власти Укропии, имеющими право и полномочия прекратить бойню в Новороссии! И начхать в данном случае на их взгляды, мотивировку, полит.окраску, легитимность и прочее. ЦЕЛЬ: прекратить геноцид.
    поэтому и включается артиллерия (в данном случае-ПОЛИТИЧЕСКАЯ).
    ведь нужно испробовать ВСЕ методы до того как применить крайние....чтобы потом...оглянувшись...смело сказать, глядя в зеркало и глаза других: "я сделал все что мог" и отдать уже команду как Верховному главнокомандующему!

    I have the honor
    1. Iero
      0
      24 June 2014 13: 07
      Порошенко так и сделал: послал лидера карманной партии Медведчука (в феврале 2014 г. организация была запрещена в Закарпатской области, популярность не более 1 %); Шуфрича, который знаменит только разговором с Юлей (да тем самым «уничтожать кац-в ядерным оружием»); пенсионера Кучму… Чем Медведчук лучше Лимонова? А Жириновский, в отличие от означенных представителей Украины, — действующий депутат и лидер крупной партии. А в какой партии Шуфрич знаете? Вы от этих украинских ребят «с ведёрками», от Зурабова ждёте «высший пилотаж»?! Они, по Вашему мнению, профессионалы высшего разряда? «Оспади»… Дорогой, «не нужно путать закат с трусами после менструации!!!!» Честь имею.
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  81. -3
    24 June 2014 11: 20
    Ура патриот. Тюкнем ракетами, а разбираться будем потом. Да может в этой умеренности и есть наша сила. Мне жаль автора. recourse
  82. -2
    24 June 2014 11: 21
    автор этих бредовых мыслей не только не разбирается в политике но и вообще не видит что творится в мире!
    кем интересно уважаем израиль? самим автором? америке и израилю за свои действия ниче не бывает только потому что все подвязаны на экономике с ними, больше чем с Россией. Если Россия начнет делать тоже самое что израиль и америкосы то она повернет против себя и оставшихся союзников! И к тому же зачем опускаться до уровня этих фашистов?
    а на счет переговоров...Россия выступает как третья сторона, как свидетель переговоров между Юго-Востоком и киевом, Путин сразу говорил что России не о чем переговариваться с хунтой, договариваться должны киевские власти и ополчение!
    так что автору статьи большая просьба больше не засорять сайт своими домыслами! да и похож он больше на проамерикосовского подсоса, еврея правосека!
  83. -1
    24 June 2014 11: 22
    " .. Многие посчитают меня этаким мечтателем, но… Кто мешал России положить хотя бы пару
    ракет .."
    Ты не мечтатель, а поджигатель III Мировой!
  84. +5
    24 June 2014 11: 26
    Не знаю, Россия пытается достучаться хоть до кого-нибудь. Нас не слышат, точнее не хотят слышать!
  85. Cheldon
    +1
    24 June 2014 11: 36
    Хочешь завалить дело поручи его Зурабову.
  86. -2
    24 June 2014 11: 54
    Прочитал две первые строчки...Читать комменты не стал.. Автор - да пусть меня забанят - или из плеяды гнусных провокаторов, или круглый с соской во рту.... Иного не вижу...
  87. -1
    24 June 2014 11: 55
    Статья так себе,в башке у автора мешанина,но есть и здравые мысли об "ударах возмездия" по тем тварям которые осмелились стрелять по территории России! А все остальное типа Усе пропало Шеф! Ну с палачами Одессы никто бы за стол переговоров не сел бы,а Кучма лицо непричастное и неофициальное,просто идет "зондаж" мнений! А с чего Вы взяли,что Зурабов-это Россия,сегодня он посол,а завтра пошел на фиг. Очень удобная фигура на данный момент т.к. фактически все это полулегально и не совсем легитимно!
  88. ivan.kormoran
    +1
    24 June 2014 12: 05
    Какой грозный автор статейки, и вывод то какой красивый - типа президент говорит а не делает.
    НЕ СТЫДНО???
    У тебя дети есть, мальчики конкретно???
    шник ты - кнопкодав, ДА ОГРОМНОЕ СПАСИБО В,В, ПУТИНУ за выдержку!!!
    Наших пацанов сберёг, а то кто тебе (автору статьи) пенсию то зарабатывать будет.
    Вот что кнопкодав клавиатурный, думай как мужчина, а не как холоп.
    А в прочем что я горячусь - очевидно этот автор и есть та самая 5 колонна, поклонник Эхо Москвы?
    Then everything is clear.
    Эти 0,0000001% существ на территории Российской федерации считают себя обделёнными, агитируют за педофилию/гомосексуализм/лесбиянство (ранее в СССР их просто изолировали), а сейчас эта шваль поскуливает из подворотни, давить таких надо как ГНИД.
    Это моё личное мнение! И я горжусь своей позицией.
    1. Semurik
      -1
      24 June 2014 13: 31
      + 100500!!! good
  89. portoc65
    +6
    24 June 2014 12: 07
    Автор прав-Больно все это наблюдать..Одно утешает-а вдруг Кремль все делает правильно..Мы же все-на эмоциях
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    1. Praetorian
      0
      24 June 2014 12: 23
      Ерунда. Сырьевая экономика отличается от несырьевой лишь тем, что продает невозобновимый ресурс. Все. По сути, никто не может толком сказать, чем это плохо, кроме того, что через 70 лет это кончится или что-то вэтом духе.
      1. +1
        24 June 2014 12: 59
        "По сути, никто не может толком сказать, чем это плохо"
        Диверсифицированная индустриализация даёт истинный сувернитет(вспомните СССР), когда никто не может нам загрозить санкциями, де мол Вы загнётесь, ибо всегда есть чем своим заменить.

        2. При этом автоматом нарабатывается научная база и инновационный капитал, вынуждающий иный страны углублять и расширять связи с такой страной. Пример атомная, космическая и оружейная отрасль даже сейчас.
  91. -2
    24 June 2014 12: 12
    Израиль может отстреляться в ЛЮБУЮ сторону - он окружен врагами-арабами. У РФ пока вокруг - СНГ и ОДКБ. Уважают себя ВСЕ страны, а вот уважают других - очень мало. Израиль НЕ уважают. Так что аналогии некорректны. Ответить по Крайне ракетой ср. д. не можем - пуск будет засечён, минометный обстрел - снят со спутников. И предъявлен в ООН, со всеми вытекающими. Есть вариант ночного проникновения РДГ на территорию сопредельного государства и закладка фугаса. Но кто кто на нем подорвется - ???
  92. Praetorian
    -3
    24 June 2014 12: 13
    С немцами тоже переговоры вели. Статье минус - читать не стал даже.
  93. 0
    24 June 2014 12: 38
    а я вот в чем то с автором согласен. В 2008 году Сракашвиля и за меньшее наш тогдашний президент объявил "не рукопожатной персоной" (а кому в России руку жать стремно думаю все знают:))) и "политическим трупом", после чего все официальные контакты с грузинским фашистом прекратились. А автор прав - Россия унижается. Обстреляли территорию - умылись, убивают русских - умылис, за газ долги ведь тоже не отдадут ни когда и эти долги кремль рано или поздно спишет как какому нибудь Никарагуа или Папуа новой гвинеи... Вот и переговоры с фашистами ведут...те самые двойные стандарты, в которых Путин так любит обвинять гнилой Запад теперь применяет и сам Кремль. Ни че хорошего в этом нет.
  94. Vadim
    -1
    24 June 2014 12: 40
    Соглашусь с автором. Хохлы ведут себя все наглее и наглее, а Путин в толерантность решил поиграть. А ведь это он задал тон возрождения величия русского народа, спасая Крым. Россияне на этом фоне реально готовы к любым санкциям, да и к войне с Западом. Своим бездействием он предоет не только Донбасс, но и нас россиян, потому как воевать все равно придеться. Только уже на своей территории.
  95. 0
    24 June 2014 12: 40
    Уважаемые форумчане, по поводу этой статьи и им подобным - это походу новый тренд от создателей " Путин всех сдал в Крыму" и "Путин сдал Донбасс". Ну почему ни один из авторов этой и предыдущей статьи не желают слушать президента и оперировать фактами которые проскакивают (подчёркиваю ПРОСКАКИВАЮТ а не тиражируются) в наших СМИ:
    1) Порошенко позвонил Путину и рассказал про план мирного урегулирования (уже смешно, ибо очевидно что как и обычно Петро озвучивал американскую точку зрения украинскими словами, видимо условия мира предлагали)
    2) Аваков и Коломойский обяъвлены в розыск по Интерполу. (Заметьте именно эта парочка, не Порошенко, не Яценюк, не ТУрчинов а именно эти двое).
    3) И самое главное вслушайтесь в коменты самого Путина: в них чётко прослеживается разделение АТОшников на украинскую армию (государственную с кучей призывников) и карателей (ПСов, боевиков Коломойского, наёмников и т.д.)

    Из всего этого может следовать, что всю вину и за бомбёжки, и за расстрелы жителей,и за нарушения границы, и за Одессу 2 мая, и за разгоны митингов и жертвы на них в Новороссии возложат вину на Коломойского, его наёмников и ПСов.

    После чего, на мой взгляд, произойдёт инцидент, который используют как повод, чтобы разогнать правосеков по лесам, объявив их вне закона, а несогласных и наёмников постреляют (увы и ах, но нужен ещё один инцидент, а не использование уже имеющихся, хотя подрыв газопровода вполне сгодился бы). Вариантов разгона два: 1 - укроармия начнёт сама стрелять в виноватых, отказавшихся сложить оружие (вспомните откровенные бомбёжки авиацией позиций "Днепра" или как посылают на убой батальоны Коломойского, например Айдар, а потом открещивается от этих операций ) 2- произойдёт инцидент на российской границе, и наши грады и артиллерия перемелят всю эту гоп-братию в кашу под радостные взвизгивания Гейропы и Порошенки.
    В заключение хочу сказать, что это один из возможных вариантов. Просто мне он кажется наиболее вероятным, ориентируясь на факты, которые попадают в СМИ.
  96. Nikolav
    +2
    24 June 2014 13: 00
    А теперь остановитесь и реально посмотрите, как здесь всем за 2-3 недели проутюжили мозги.:)))
    Тогда 80% кричали - "Вперёд, на Киев! Остановимся только на польской границе!" Сейчас этот процент реально снизился. Теперь за подобные призывы автора уже причисляют к провокаторам.Очнитесь, господа!:)))
  97. +1
    24 June 2014 13: 15
    Некорректно сравнивать Израиль и Россию.
  98. Pesnyadv
    0
    24 June 2014 13: 22
    Автор статьи не видит разницы между ссорой жены с мужем и ссорой соседних государств.
    hi
  99. Semurik
    +1
    24 June 2014 13: 51
    уважаемые минусующие оппоненты, алчущие вдарить по соплям!))
    касательно этой статьи, ура-патриотизма и отвергающих переговоры. дополню свой пост)
    давайте не будем путать "привлеченных специалистов по урегулированию" с "контрагентами". в данном случае мы из первой категории, т.е. наше мнение не решающее, а рекомендательное. договариваются только Киев и только Новороссия, а не Украина и Россия. ведь это бесспорно?!)
    далее. как и в любом мало мальски глобальном процессе существует понятие эшелонированной подготовки. я имею ввиду то, что ОФИЦИАЛЬНЫЙ представитель РФ г-н Зурабов (понимайте это хотя бы как статусность (например, г-н Жириновский был хорош для Крыма и "вбрасывания в социум мнения Кремля") будет озвучивать не свое мнение, а позицию руководства РФ.
    хотя на мой взгляд все это носит характер межевания интересов и зондажа мнений. а вот уже потом сядут за стол те люди, которые правомерны принимать решения.
    поймите...прекращение огня-не есть самоцель. это-только промежуточный..начальный этап. Главное-ПРЕКРАТИТЬ геноцид и убрать руки от ДНР и ЛНР. тут важнее стратегия (т.е. геополитика), а не тактика (сворачивание огня).
    и как факт...из опыта командования разными воинскими коллективами...скажу, что при любой операции командир не бежит впереди с пистолетом, вселяя надежду в бойцов и оправдывая их ожидания))) для этого есть политруки))) вот и пускай пока они бегут)
  100. marinabelochka
    -1
    24 June 2014 14: 15
    В ВОЕННОМ ДЕЛЕ КОНЕЧНО НЕ ПОНИМАЮ, НУ ТО ТО ОТНОШЕНИЯ РОССИИ И УКРАИНЫ В СОВРЕМЕННОМ МИРЕ НЕ ИДЕАЛЬНЫ ЭТО ТОЧНО. И ЛЕЗТЬ В ВОЙНУ НА РАДОСТЬ ВРАГАМ НЕ СТОИТ. ПРИВЕДУ МАЛЕНЬКИЙ ПРИМЕР. МНОГО ГОВОРЯТ ПРО БЕЖЕНЦЕВ, САМА ЛИЧНО КАК УЗНАЛА ЧТО ТРЕБУЕТСЯ ПОМОЩЬ, АЖ ПОБЕЖАЛА В МАГАЗИН ВСЕ СКУПАТЬ. ПРИВЕЗЛИ, ПОМОГЛИ. ВРОДЕ СПАТЬ ЛЕГЧЕ СТАЛА. НУ И ЧТО? НА СЛЕДУЮЩИЙ ДЕНЬ УЗНАЮ ОДНА МАДАМ С УКРАИНЫ ВЫСТУПАЕТ. И ПРИНЯЛИ ЕЕ ВИДИТЕ ЛИ НЕ ТАК. И УСЛОВИЯ ТАК СЕБЕ. И ВООБЩЕ РУССКИЕ КАШУ НА УКРАИНЕ ЗАВАРИЛИ ВОТ И РАСХЛЕБЫВАЙТЕ!!!!! ВОТ И СКАЗОЧКИ КОНЕЦ,.......
    1. Semurik
      -2
      24 June 2014 14: 27
      вот вот!)
      про что-то подобное я вчера и писал...
      что мы им еще и должны останемся)))

      а посему...ту тетку по руки, тушенку ей у котомку...да и на Алтай ее...помогать нашим людям) чтобы кушала наш хлебушек и давилась от удовольствия)

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