Donbass. Kuchma instead of tanks?

In Donetsk, negotiations began to resolve the situation in the south-east of the country. Russia at these talks is represented by Ambassador Mikhail Zurabov, OSCE - Heidi Tagliavini. The surprise was presented by the Ukrainian side. The interests of Kiev in Donetsk are defended by Leonid Kuchma. Participation in the Donetsk negotiations Mr. Kuchma (second president of Ukraine) confirms the press service of Petro Poroshenko.

The current Ukrainian president said that participation in the negotiation process of Leonid Kuchma testifies to the high attention that Kiev is paying to the meeting in Donetsk.

It is a pity that in Russia there was no ex-president unoccupied in the civil service who could be sent for negotiations ...

Before the start of negotiations, the Ukrainian side denied that it was ready to sit down at the same table with the representatives of the DPR. Agency Interfax reports that representatives of the leadership of the Donetsk People's Republic can still take part in the meeting. In particular, we are talking about a man like Alexander Boroday - the Prime Minister of the DPR. In the DNI, this information is not confirmed.

In addition to these individuals, the following will take part in the negotiations to resolve the situation in the south-east

leader of the public movement “Ukrainian choice” Viktor Medvedchuk and deputy Nestor Shufrich. Medvedchuk headed the presidential administration of Ukraine under Leonid Kuchma.

His reaction to Medvedchuk's arrival in Donetsk and the idea of ​​holding the talks themselves were expressed in The Kremlin:

V. Medvedchuk, as is known, is the leader of the public movement “Ukrainian choice”, consistently supports the idea of ​​federalization of Ukraine. At the same time, he is respected in Kiev, and is familiar with him in the West.

As it became known, during the talks with representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic, V. Medvedchuk agreed to meet with the OSCE mission to establish a dialogue between Kiev and south-eastern Ukraine, which the Russian Federation supports at the ambassador level.

The President of Russia has repeatedly stated that the settlement of the crisis in Ukraine is possible only through a peaceful dialogue and taking into account the interests of the eastern regions of the country.

Comments

[Cossack Ermak]

Do not be deceived. Kiev only makes time.

[herruvim]

The leadership of Ukraine does not have more than one independent politician, everyone sings what he says, a big, white master, sorry now a big, black master

[fif21]

Quote: herruvim

The leadership of Ukraine is not one independent politician

Who to negotiate with? If the representatives of the southeast have real power, then from Kiev alone clowns.

[Egen]

Quote: herruvim

The leadership of Ukraine does not have more than one independent politician, everyone sings what he says, a big, white master, sorry now a big, black master

Exactly, without Abama’s participation, 0 will be useless, but they will say that Russia has disrupted the negotiations!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

These negotiations are just a farce .. The West wants the blood of the Slavs and slaughter! It’s ridiculous to read all these slaves and they are slaves in Africa ..

[Max otto]

What's the point at all? In Ukraine, no one controls the whole country. And what about Kuchma? On the Maidan they will say to him: "You negotiated it yourself - do it yourself. Come on, goodbye!" And they will pour more greenery.
Wasted time.

[Vasek]

Quote: Max Otto

And what about Kuchma?

The main thief of all Ukrainian ex-presidents.
At one time, a lot of real estate was bought for him in Toronto and the surrounding area.

[1812 1945]

Quote: Vasek

The main thief of all Ukrainian ex-presidents.
At one time, a lot of real estate was bought for him in Toronto and the surrounding area.

Here, for sure: with such a "track record" and will not be taken to prison! To prevent the thieves from spoiling.

[Paradoxov]

The point is to get carte blanche from "vacillating" Europe to continue the sweep of South-East, they say they made the last attempt to negotiate peacefully - it didn't work out, well ...

[DPZ]

I think it makes sense to pretend to the EU that they want peace. and then blame the militia and Novorossia that they do not want peace.

[222222]

http://csis.org/files/publication/140528_Russia_Color_Revolution_Full.pdf
http://csis.org/files/publication/140528_Russia_Color_Revolution_Summary.pdf
color revolutions organized by usa around the world in pictures ...

[SPAAARTAAA]

Thank you, very informative materials.

[Cherdak]

Quote: 1

It is a pity that in Russia there was no ex-president unoccupied in the civil service who could be sent for negotiations ...

The error came out. There is such a human being! And if you send him to Kiev, then many years of chatting with constant "selfies" and reports on Twitter are provided to the world!

[Sid.74]

Quote: Cherdak

The error came out. There is such a human being! And if you send him to Kiev, then many years of chatting with constant "selfies" and reports on Twitter are provided to the world!

Of course ETOGES Dimon .... !!! In the meantime!
Donbass sent Kiev, Kuchma, Parash to ....! And put forward counterclaims!

“Essential negotiations can only begin after:
1. The withdrawal from the territory of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics of the National Guard, illegal armed groups of the Kolomoisky and the right sector, as well as units of the Ukrainian army, guilty of murders of civilians.
2. Payment by Kiev of compensation to the families of deceased civilians.
3. Payment by Kiev of compensation to residents of the republics for destroyed housing.
4. Kiev paid compensations to municipalities for damage caused by Ukrainian troops to the communal infrastructure.
5. Payment by Kiev of compensation to owners of destroyed industrial facilities.
6. The approval by the President of Ukraine and the parliaments of the Republic of the draft constitutional act defining the status of the People's Republics.
7. Amnesties to all participants of the militia and all political prisoners in Ukrainian prisons, ”Oleg Tsarev listed the conditions.

[1812 1945]

Quote: Sid.74

Of course ETOGES Dimon .... !!! In the meantime!
Donbass sent Kiev, Kuchma, Parash to ....! And put forward counterclaims!

“Essential negotiations can only begin after:
1. The withdrawal from the territory of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics of the National Guard, illegal armed groups of the Kolomoisky and the right sector, as well as units of the Ukrainian army, guilty of murders of civilians.
2. Payment by Kiev of compensation to the families of deceased civilians.
3. Payment by Kiev of compensation to residents of the republics for destroyed housing.
4. Kiev paid compensations to municipalities for damage caused by Ukrainian troops to the communal infrastructure.
5. Payment by Kiev of compensation to owners of destroyed industrial facilities.
6. The approval by the President of Ukraine and the parliaments of the Republic of the draft constitutional act defining the status of the People's Republics.
7. Amnesties to all participants of the militia and all political prisoners in Ukrainian prisons, ”Oleg Tsarev listed the conditions.

Neither reduce nor add. There can be no other conditions! Agree to pindo ... the Soviet scenario of negotiations and play the pindo assigned to you in this cheap play .. the role itself is to make yourself a laughing stock and gain only contempt for yourself. ........................... PS And the candidate is suitable.

[Paradoxov]

All requirements are specific and in the case, not a junta one! Donbass is already beginning to teach independent, setting an example of statehood! Bravo!

[DPZ]

it is impossible, it will mix up his hounds with a bear!

[paul1992]

I forgot about him, I thought you would want to send Yeltsin ...

[Wellych]

Kiev only makes time

What would the military pay more? I do not think that time plays on them.

[ZU-23]

So I want to believe in these crap talks

[Ramzaj99]

Negotiations will look like this!)

[Predator]

And what kind of negotiations are these with the roar of the cannonade, aerial bombardment, train explosions ?!

[Predator]

Negotiations will go very productively, provided the guards from the Russian special forces are behind the doors, the Russian aviation is in the air, and our tanks are rattling under the windows!

[kotyara]

Stretching time, Kiev may lose! If this trend of dismissal of military personnel continues, then soon there will be no one to fight besides mercenaries!

[the polar]

Quote: Cossack Ermak

Do not be deceived. Kiev only makes time.

Why is Zurab sitting there? To confirm the fact of its presence, that Moscow is fueling separatism?
Kremlin lackeys again caved in under Obama ...

[andrewvlg]

That is why in our country you can throw mud at the top leadership? When will we start banning for swearing against the president and the government? I propose to organize a petition to the site administration. Ears wither from every statement of "offended" to the whole world.

[fif21]

Quote: andrewvlg

That is why in our country you can pour mud on top management?

And, you can only say what you think about Obama, Merkel, Poroshenko, and so on. Sometimes it’s useful for management to know what people think about them. Do not shut up freedom of speech and mouth, sneak.

[the polar]

Quote: andrewvlg

That is why in our country you can throw mud at the top leadership? When will we start banning for swearing against the president and the government? I propose to organize a petition to the site administration. Ears wither from every statement of "offended" to the whole world.

And you hope that for the sweet language you will be awarded orders ... right in the St. George Hall!

[Fish supervision]

It’s you who are bending with us. Such Cossacks usually with Hitler crowed about the device of the USSR Cossack turned

[Rodin]

It is rightly noticed, since Kuchma is a person who does not have real power, then the agreements that could be reached are formal.

[Kasym]

The Ukrainians have forgotten how they shouted: "Kuchma get". But now the Ukrainians consider him the best president. The country's gold and foreign exchange reserves grew, he negotiated the creation of the EAEU together with the Russian Federation, the Republic of Kazakhstan, the Republic of Belarus. He led a balanced foreign policy and managed to make money on the resale of our gas. But he didn’t leave a sensible “successor” for himself, now the fruits of Yushchenko and Co. have sprung up in the form of Bandera pravoseks. Therefore, I think that Kuchma is not suitable as a mediator.
And what negotiations, if Kolomoisky is against. He and his mercenaries will cross out any negotiations. And what about the right-wing people, nominal battalions and hundreds from the Maidan? No, the bouquet is too big. Poroshenko has little control. This is already obvious if Benya sends him with his statements. Clown talking head. In Ukraine, a kind of Makhnovism turns out, "anarchy is the mother of order." Bandits-robbers are missing until "everything. Oil painting". And everything is probably flavored with American grandmothers. Reminds of the last century, the 20s, and all the same Ukraine.

[soyuz-nik]

I feel they are plotting .....

[Angro Magno]

Let them talk. Sorry for what? They will troll each other and disperse.
The problem no longer has an interim solution.

[Russ69]

In the Donetsk regional state administration, multilateral negotiations began between representatives of Ukraine, the OSCE, the self-proclaimed "DPR" and "LPR" and Russia.

The negotiations are attended by Russian Ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov, representative of the OSCE Chairman-in-Office Heidi Tagliavini, former President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, head of the Ukrainian Choice organization Viktor Medvedchuk, the so-called DPR Prime Minister Alexander Borodai, leader of the Southeast movement Oleg Tsarev and representatives of the self-proclaimed LPR.

[Vend]

This is good news. What will happen next, time will tell. But this fact confirms the Kiev government is not able to crush and destroy the southeast. This is a clear weakness of power and fear. what the future can turn out for them. And they will have it in gloomy tones, at best in a cage.

[Corsair]

Kiev suggests, and the Donbass has ...

[asar]

It seems that the dill under the retouching of the "negotiations" is simply dragging out time for another "dirty trick"!

[Luga]

Quote: asar

It seems that the dill under the retouching of the "negotiations" is simply dragging out time for another "dirty trick"!

At the beginning of the discussion there was still

Quote: asar

Do not be deceived. Kiev only makes time.

Personally, it seems to me that there is no need to delay time for the junta. What will they spend this time on, how are they using? It is in their interests not to pull it, but rather to resolve the issue as soon as possible. Time works for Little Russia. The information blockade is about to break through, the junta’s budget has long been measured in negative values, if things go on like this, then you don’t have to wait for winter. However, winter will come anyway.
In my opinion, this is, if not a convulsive, then, in any case, a desperate attempt to begin to somehow resolve issues. None of the participants in the process is authorized to take at least some decisions, but they may well be able to express each other and pass on what they have heard. Most importantly, the essence of these negotiations, that is, the underwater part of the iceberg, can not be brought to the general public. I am sure that Kuchma has with him a highly secret message from Putin to Putin.
For example, "we plant Avakov and Nalyvaichenko, we liquidate Benya (we blame you), we prohibit the fascist parties (run after Yarosh and Tyagnibok yourself, good luck), stop raiding Little Russia, give the go-ahead for Donbas autonomy and don’t open our mouths to Crimea. , for this you give us a loan (non-refundable) for gas, you convince Donbass of all the delights of autonomous existence and at the same time reduce your activity in Odessa and other regions. " Nonsense, of course, but in the order of delirium.

[Leksandrych]

But the separatists themselves were not invited. There are intentions, but where is the action?

[Camouflet]

Also gov.nyuk. But of all those who more or less have at least some acceptable image in the eyes of people, perhaps the most suitable person. However, he is an unofficial person, what are his powers? And where are they recorded? The price of his speeches is zero without a wand. Let them first appoint to the position, at least adviser Pidroshenko.

Apparently, Kiev decided that the Donbasians were "not like him."

But at least something is better than nothing.

[avt]

Quote: Cossack Ermak

Kiev only makes time.

The frontal attack choked, again the first wave of ykrov ended, whatever one may say, but we need a respite, well, the sponsor is probably not happy with the results of the failed blitz krieg, they will be rebuilt and will start to crush again.

[vsoltan]

"It is a pity that there is no ex-president left in the civil service in Russia who could be sent to negotiations ..."

Oh, well, don’t, what would the late EBN agree to?
And about Kuchma - well, you won’t wash off a black dog ... that's what he’s trying ... though, maybe the mattresses outplayed with Poroshenko? Maybe reinsured? Can you imagine - the next pre-term elections ... the candidates are the same Poroshenko / or which of his accomplices / and Kuchma ... the people will decide what? Right...

[Angro Magno]

Theoretically, iPhone would do. But for all his outstanding personal qualities, there is one flaw. Silly s.

[Finches]

The usual nomenclature mug, which successfully married and went to the top of the wave of a small-town partocracy, and only then fussed at (in) Ukraine, to become president, it was an independent licked ass in both Russia and America! Ordinary crest! Zurabov is the same, of course it’s the only one, but the West can and talks about it, like Russia’s desire to find a compromise, where a compromise is not needed! But Poroshenko, at least somehow hedges his safety in these negotiations!

[Novosib]

And from pindosov who?

[Black]

Quote: Novosib

And from pindosov who?

So this is ..... office !!!! Kiev as if their ....

[gunya]

Kuchma, it’s not Obama’s people to distract.

[gunya]

Kuchma, it’s not Obama’s people to distract.

[Strashila]

"The current Ukrainian president said that Leonid Kuchma's participation in the negotiation process testifies to the high attention that Kiev pays to the meeting in Donetsk."
"It is a pity that there is no ex-president left in the civil service in Russia who could be sent to negotiations ..." ... rZhuuuuuu.
It reads like this ... it’s a pity that in Russia there is no pro-American ex-president to defend the interests of the United States in the negotiations ... but in Ukraine he is.

[evilrussian]

I don’t understand what you can talk about with animals? It is necessary to crush these cattle, and not talk to them. All diplomatic lines have already exhausted themselves.

[andrei332809]

well, how can Zadornov not remember- "Ukraine joined Kuchma"

[Black]

Quote: andrei332809

"Ukraine joined Kuchma"

... it would still be nothing ... She was in "this" from the full swing- FALLED !!!!
And also - in blood, and the death of thousands of citizens of a "quiet" country ...
Now have to wash off soon ....

[Giant thought]

Nobody needs war, everyone needs peace. But to negotiate without representatives of the DNI and LNR means to a large extent doom these negotiations to failure or simple failure to fulfill the decisions made.

[Iline]

Why would Russia even get involved in these negotiations? Especially in the person of amorphous Zurabov, who does not understand what he is doing there, he did not even predict the development of the situation in Ukraine last year. There are problems of ukrov and the southeast, so let them understand at this level. Russia may be present as an observer. The OSCE is also concerned. And then all dogs are used to hanging on Russia. As they say in the army: rewarding those who did not participate and punishing the innocent.

[g1v2]

Zurabov old sidekick Poroshenko. This was also reported by some ukrsites. So, the negotiations will most likely be undercover. Piglets in the Russian Federation are full of property, it seems that they will be caught through it. Moreover, even though he said that he would get rid of his property, he actually simply copied it to his son.

[roman72-452]

Unfortunately, the world can’t solve the problem of Donbass anymore, the Rubicon has been passed.

[Alexan]

Now Novorossia is stronger than the Kremlin - it is not their hidden capitalist who is losing them, but their life. A little more to hold out and Moscow will have no choice but to supply arms, stop hindering the advancement of volunteers. Otherwise, all the khan! Now the main leitmotif of articles: what good fellows we are - do not succumb to the provocations of Ukraine! War! Going Already! Russia shows weakness, or rather, the Kremlin is wandering, and more precisely, the GDP is hiding in the sand.

[Agent 008]

"Gorilochki" will drink under the lard, and will disperse satisfied ...

[Fuse]

DNR. Slavyansk. The war continues. Hold on slowly

[tehnoluks]

And Nestor Shufrich - who is this? Ahhhh! This is YULI'S BATTERY! Why is Julia already in Donetsk?

[Makarov]

NOVOROSSIA I was killed near Slavyansk. I was seven years old. Mom and dad are killed with me, Grandmother and grandfather are killed. It hurt, it hurt a lot. This does not happen in children. Tell me, soldier who shot me, What do you say to your daughter? Will you give her my toys? Will you give an album with drawings? Will you give my kitten in the blood? How do you look into her eyes then? Tell me, soldier who killed me, How do you pray to the Gods? Who sacrificed the child? Where do you give the booty to the temple? I have died and I am not crying. There was a tear on her cheek. Remember the enemy who shot me, the eyes of the daughter killed. ---Author unknown

[Comrade Bender]

Like, the positive has gone. Now time (or rather negotiations) will show how Kuev is set up. But only with the participation of representatives of the DPR and LPR in the negotiations. I propose to call them now not "militias" but "republicans". I think it would be more correct.

[kowalski]

Well, now all the "infantry" will be brought up! All these "exes", useless, flawed old men, what can they do ?! Strains another. Zurabov! Diplomatic bubble gum! It seems that the taste has passed, and it is a pity to throw it away, and there is no garbage bin nearby! Churkin or Lavrov here! These are the monsters! Well, yes, for this "dacha cooperative" and Zurabov is the chairman ...

[borisov1]

Whose dull head instructed the negotiator from the Russian side to the rogue Zurabov?

[azbukin77]

The same thief and rogue like Zurabov!

[jovanni]

And who is there with the rogue K.U.Ch.M.O.y. will still speak? They’ll find a common language! Only the Southeast of this will not get any easier ...
PS And who can charge in addition to GDP?

[Black]

No, well, the fact that the "Ambassador of Russia" is a plus,
But ...- Zurabov is a minus !!!!
on the other hand ... what a pop is such a parish!

[Stypor23]

I thought the rocket builder has been living in the United States for a long time, shares his knowledge in the field of manned space exploration or electronic systems of intercontinental ballistic missiles. How interesting he is to his owners of classified documents Yuzhmash sold.

[cosmos132]

They have rockets for a long time in the city .... Maybe only "Cyclone" remains

[Stypor23]

Given what kind of inheritance from the USSR remains, maybe there is something else. MAYBE, ANYWHERE UNDER Dnepropetrovsk, there is a secret bunker from which the Kolomosh did not pull out everything.

[dr.star75]

We already saw the price of the agreements with the junta on February 21. They were respected until the ink was dry. after Yanyk barely escaped ...

[Million]

The Americans decided to use all the presidents of Hohland as a consumable to achieve their vile goals. And they agreed!

[azbukin77]

The negotiations will be like gas, you are black to them, but they are not, sour!

[DMB-75]

What kind of negotiations with these fascists can be, after their own statements about Novorossiya: - "promise them everything, and then we will destroy them all."

[corintiy]

The power in Ukraine is inadequate, vile, licentious and not legitimate ..... Interestingly, how can you negotiate with mentally unhealthy people?

[Stypor23]

It’s very simple, it’s easier to bribe such people or to compromise. It’s not for nothing that the Chinese practice shooting at home and invite the children to watch it. Therefore, the Chinese Union will last more than 69 years.

[nicollider]

Well, they agree, before the withdrawal of troops, and then what? Piglet will announce that Kuchma has beguiled and in a new circle.

[nicollider]

Again, a wonderful phrase about hanging ... Well, let's see

[valentina-makanalina]

Negotiations for a diversion. Just to show that we are for a "peaceful solution to the issue." This is from the side of Kiev, like a seance. Summoned spirits from among the former. No hope. Only a waste of time.

[Stinger]

I do not get it. Blew Germany, France and Poland, and peace with the OSCE and Russia? So she is a terrible aggressor. And her tanks are still plowing the square! Did Obama even approve? And then the UN Security Council will speak out that under the trunks of tank guns and America stole the victory. Putin - he is like that. And Lithuania will not regret it. Can they instead of gas pump fresh Arctic air? To ventilate the environment.

[Rigla]

Complete nonsense! Whom do they represent all these Kuchma, Shufrich and others? Yes, and what to talk about? There was a referendum and a point. Any compromise will result in Russian deception and blood. Only New Russia! Only victory!

[NBN]

Kuchma gooryorite? Bachili, there was nothing good with him. I doubt that shame is gnawing at him, and he is ready to do something good for the Russians (for the Southeast).

[Anchonsha]

Naturally, Porosenko will turn his brains on the appearance of such negotiations. The United States does not suit these negotiations at all, they need a war between the east and the west of Ukraine, the fewer dill and Novorossiysk left, the more good reason to dictate their conditions.

[DPZ]

Why didn’t they call Kolomoisky? he is also a great military leader, even has his own army.

[X Y Z]

This is the one who spent a significant part of his life proving that Ukraine is not Russia. Experts say that everything turned out very unconvincing.

[Baloo]

While they were chasing teas, what did the Kalamo people do? By their usual business, they bombed, shot, killed. And Porosenko ranted that his peace plan had been violated 20 times.
Does the Russian ambassador have sufficient experience in conducting such negotiations?

[Balamyt]

From which closet did they get this dusty, political skeleton ??? What for??? Like in a song ... Do you remember how it all began? ..... With it all these banderlogs and other evil spirits arose! Well, now everyone who, with his connivance, hatched from the viper masonry, entered puberty! So this amoeba is limp hardly what can be done!

[Nitarius]

Humpbacked ... with a bomb in the ass! GADA!

[EsTaF]

Quite intelligibly, he gave her points

[paul1992]

It is a pity that in Russia there was no ex-president unoccupied in the civil service who could be sent for negotiations ...

the author is beautifully under *** l

[Russ69]

On the one hand, negotiations, on the other hand, they issue arrest warrants for the leadership of the republics ...

KIEV, June 23 - RIA Novosti. The Shevchenkovsky district court of Kiev granted the request of law enforcement authorities to detain a number of leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics to consider the issue of choosing a preventive measure in the form of detention, the press service of the Prosecutor General said on Monday.

In general, we are talking about the arrest of 11 representatives of the republics, in particular, Prime Minister of the DPR Alexander Borodai, Chairman of the DPR Security Service Alexander Khodakovsky, Deputy Prime Minister for Social Policy of the DPR Alexander Kalyusky, Minister of Defense of the LPR Igor Plotnitsky. Earlier, the Prosecutor General's Office announced to the aforementioned persons on suspicion of committing a criminal offense under the article "creation of a terrorist organization."

RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140623/1013266056.html#ixzz35TtDO0JQ

[Radical]

These three former: Krachuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko themselves must be brought to justice. The first is for active participation in the collapse of the Union, the second for banal theft, the third for communication with the CIA, and all together for the cultivation of nationalism in Ukraine all these years. Now they are on every talk show of Ukrotelevedeniya, like planted fathers or worse, like mothers for the next president,
hatch, triumvirate, be it not okay! With these scum, both separately and together it is impossible to negotiate, sell and betray!

[Russ69]

В Луганской народной республике объявили о прекращении огня. Сообщается, что такое же решение приняли представители Донецкой народной. По словам представителей ЛНР и ДНР, перемирие будет действовать до 27 июня. «Срокдействияо прекращении огня такой же, как был объявлен ранее, - до 10 утра 27 июня. Хотим сказать, что за этот период будет организован режим мониторинга со стороны Россиии ОБСЕ за соблюдением этого режима. Надеемся, что за время прекращения огня с обеих сторон мы сможем договориться и начать консультации о ведении переговоров о мирномурегулировании конфликта», - сказал премьер-министр ДНР Бородай в прямом телеканале «Россия 24». По словам ополченцы готовы прекратить огонь вответна аналогичные действия украинской стороны.«Мы в ответ на прекращение огня со стороны Киева обязуемся прекратить огонь со своей стороны», - отметил Бородай. Решение было принято на встрече в Донецке. По данным украинских СМИ, во встрече приняли участие экс- президент Украины Леонид Кучма, два представителя ОБСЕ, посол России на Украине Михаил Зурабов, глава общественной организации "Украинский выбор" Виктор Медведчук, премьер-министр ДНР Александр Бородай и бывший депутат Верховной рады Олег Царёв. Переговоры в Донецке могут стать действительно переломным моментом по выходу из кризиса на Украине. Такое мнение ИТАР-ТАСС высказал сегодня глава профильного комитета по делам СНГ, евразийской интеграции и связям с соотечественниками ЛеонидСлуцкий. «В отличие от 21 февраля будем надеяться, что переговоры в Донецке смогут стать действительно переломным и основным моментом по выводу Украины из политического и конституционного кризиса», - цитирует Слуцкого ИТАР-ТАСС.

[sv68]

не верю,я не кучке не параше и не зурабову.всё это чистой воды политика для самопиара и перегруппировки фашистов чтобы потом внезапно нанести удар по оплчению под любым надуманным предлогом

[tasey]

EsTaF - интересное видео. Правда, сильно сомневаюсь, что оно было показано в прямом эфире... кстати, а кучма видел расстрел своей книжонки?

[Agent 008]

Прально, пусть договариваются. Когда помирятся, правосеки будут мирно ездить в гости к ополченцам...Хотя...Вешать-то будут потом, когда ополченцы им поверят...

[Black]

А тем временем, сегодня Шевченковский районный суд Киева удовлетворил просьбу Генеральной прокуратуры Украины выдать санкцию на задержание руководителей самопровозглашенных Донецкой и Луганской "народных республик".

Как сообщает в понедельник пресс-служба Генпрокуратуры, речь идет о 11 представителям ДНР и ЛНР: "премьер-министре ДНР" Александре Бородае, "главе СБУ ДНР" Александре Ходаковском, "вице-премьере по социальной политике ДНР" Александре Калюском, "министре труда и социальной политики ДНР" Романе Лягине, "министре информации и массовых коммуникаций ДНР" Александре Хрякове, "руководителе управления делами правительства ДНР" Борисе Литвинове, "министру экономического развития ДНР" Владимире Пидгирном....

Генпрокуратура подозревает этих лиц в совершении создании террористической организации (ч. 1 ст. 258-3 УК Украины).

Вот и все переговоры.....

[Agent 008]

А наши отряды "диванных войск" тоже поддерживают временное прекращение огня? Если так, подождём, до утра пятницы, а там снова в бой...

[Mik-51]

Quote: Iline

Iline Today, 19:06
Why would Russia even get involved in these negotiations? Especially in the person of amorphous Zurabov, who does not understand what he is doing there, he did not even predict the development of the situation in Ukraine last year. There are problems of ukrov and the southeast, so let them understand at this level. Russia may be present as an observer. The OSCE is also concerned. And then all dogs are used to hanging on Russia. As they say in the army: rewarding those who did not participate and punishing the innocent.

Мне кажется - России в предложенных условиях выгодно - просто тянуть время. Всячески заволокитивая процессы на легальном уровне. В то же время активно вести поставки "тайными тропами" всего необходимогр в Новороссию.
А время... Время работает аротив хунты. Лето красное проскочит моментально, там подтянутся "генерал холод", полковник "банкрот" и партизан "мороз". И всем радетелям незалежности придёт время щадаввть вопросы: сами понимаете - какие, и соответственно - кому...

[Kent0001]

А вообще то пусть поговорят. Смысл в том, что переговоры будут освещать СМИ запада. Есть возможность во время переговоров попытаться донести то что нужно. Переговорный процесс всегда длительный, холрошо если для простых людей это будет передышка. Наличие Кучмы на переговорах - шаг со сторны Киевской хунты интересен тем, что именно из хунты ни скем разговаривать вообще не о чем и даже "западло". Представьте яйценюха на переговорах - думаю ему бы недолго натой политой кровью земле дышать пришлось бы в принципе. А кучму вроде как знают, при нем окраину тихо рас таскивали без шума и пыли, типа он лицо которого все знают ну т.д. т.п. Короче будем посмотреть....

[Mik-51]

Quote: Iline

Iline Today, 19:06
Why would Russia even get involved in these negotiations? Especially in the person of amorphous Zurabov, who does not understand what he is doing there, he did not even predict the development of the situation in Ukraine last year. There are problems of ukrov and the southeast, so let them understand at this level. Russia may be present as an observer. The OSCE is also concerned. And then all dogs are used to hanging on Russia. As they say in the army: rewarding those who did not participate and punishing the innocent.

Мне кажется - России в предложенных условиях выгодно - просто тянуть время. Всячески заволокитивая процессы на легальном уровне. В то же время активно вести поставки "тайными тропами" всего необходимого в Новороссию.
А время... Время работает против хунты. Лето красное проскочит моментально, там подтянутся "генерал холод", полковник "банкрот" и партизан "мороз". И всем радетелям незалежности придёт время задаввть вопросы: сами понимаете - какие, и соответственно - кому...

[pvv113]

Quote: Vasek

Quote: Max Otto

And what about Kuchma?

The main thief of all Ukrainian ex-presidents.
At one time, a lot of real estate was bought for him in Toronto and the surrounding area.

И родственники не обижены:

Дочь Леонида Кучмы Елена Франчук установила новый рекорд цен на недвижимость в Британии. Она купила в Кенингстоне пятиэтажный особняк ценой в 80 млн фунтов стерлингов, или 159 млн долларов.

http://korrespondent.net/Default.aspx?page_id=2&lang=ru&roi=5&id=391352&tu=doch-
kuchmy-ustanovila-rekord-na-rynke-nedvizhimosti-britanii

[Russ69]

Вашингтонская обезьяна, все санкциями стращает, может ВВП его послать подальше пора...

ВАШИНГТОН, 23 июн — РИА Новости. Президент Обама напомнил президенту РФ Путину в состоявшемся в понедельник телефонном разговоре о возможном усилении давления в отношении РФ в связи с ситуацией на Украине и призвал активнее использовать личный авторитет для урегулирования кризиса, сообщил журналистам представитель Белого дома Джош Эрнест.

"Обама вновь призвал президента Путина поддержать мир вместо того, чтобы допускать поставки оружия и боевой техники через границу и по-прежнему оказывать поддержку боевикам и сепаратистам, которые дестабилизируют ситуацию в регионе", — сказал Эрнест.

"России придется платить дополнительную цену, если мы не увидим конкретных мер по деэскалации ситуации", — привел содержание разговора лидеров США и РФ представитель Белого дома.

По его словам, Обама подчеркнул, что желает видеть, чтобы "Россия и лично президент Путин использовали свое влияние для того, чтобы попытаться создать мир и стабильность в Восточной Украине". Он подчеркнул, что США поддерживают президента Порошенко в его усилиях по мирному разрешению кризиса.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20140623/1013279552.html#ixzz35UPajhyk

[Valkh]

Еще бы Горбача пригласили!?!

[muhomor]

Спокойно! Все эти переговоры проводятся для галочки и выигрыша времени для обеих сторон. И та и другая сторона это знает. После 27 июня, обе стороны обвинят друг-друга в подлых нарушениях-и понеслось с новой надеждой на победу.

[Lelek]

Отдаление Украины от России началось именно при Кравчуке и Кучме, так-что верить намерениям этих Янусов нельзя. Новороссии нельзя отказываться ни от одного пункта условий для переговоров с Украиной, иначе всё будет повёрнуто в пользу Киевских "руками водителей".

[fif21]

Quote: EsTaF

Quite intelligibly, he gave her points

Брюнетка не профи, она блондинка. Сепаратисты прикрываются мирными гражданами? Мирные граждане взяли в руки оружие ,чтоб защитить себя и свои семьи от озверевших майдановских фашистов! Неужели это трудно понять? Боюсь ,что федерации уже не получится. Остается одно -развод. А там уже республики сами определятся как жить будут. Похоже ,что эти территории и России тоже не нужны.

[Karasik]

Quote: Max Otto

What's the point at all? In Ukraine, no one controls the whole country. And what about Kuchma? On the Maidan they will say to him: "You negotiated it yourself - do it yourself. Come on, goodbye!" And they will pour more greenery.
Wasted time.

Не согласен с автором. Многие в Украине уважают Кучму, во время его правления на Украине была самая стабильная и спокойная жизнь за время "самостийности". Именно его заслуга в том, что в 90-е в Крыму не разгорелся пожар войны наподобие чеченской. Ситуация тогда там была точно такая же как в Чечне:Крымские татары резко воспылали религиозным фанатизмом, кто подогревал эти страсти не знаю, но догадываюсь. Кучма тогда разрулил ситуацию правильно. Очень надеюсь, что и сейчас у него все получится. Он умеет договариваться, однако автор прав, официальный Киев может и не согласиться с тем, до чего он там договорится. Проблема в том, что авторитет у Кучмы есть (именно поэтому он и не боится ехать на Донбасс, в отличии от Ляшко, Тимошенко и прочих уродов), но никакой власти нет.
Сейчас власти Украины поделили граждан на 2 категории: 1) "нормальные граждане" и 2) недочеловеки. Кстати, фраза "недочеловеки" принадлежит не какому-то отморозку, а премьер-министру Яценюку. В СМИ недочеловеков политкорректно называют "сепаратистами". Если сепаратист взял в руки оружие, он автоматически попадает в подкатегорию "террористов". Уничтожению подлежат и те и другие. Например, если сепаратисту всего 5 лет, и по причине малолетнего возраста он пока воевать не может, зачем ждать пока он вырастет и сможет взять в руки оружие? Его необходимо уничтожить прямо сейчас, это будет логично и целесообразно. (Упаси боже, кому-то подумать, что это мое личное мнение! Я всего лишь схематически обрисовал политику правящей верхушки Украины, как она лично мне представляется). Так вот, по моему мнению, Кучма не из таких. На его переговоры я надеюсь, хотя логикой понимаю, что это наивно. С кукловодами из США он ничего сделать не сможет.
Реально разрядить обстановку сможет только Путин. Конечно, войска вводить не нужно - есть кому воевать. Но если Россия признает ДНР и ЛНР, закроет воздушное пространство над этими республиками и начнет поставку оружия, боеприпасов, медикаментов и т.д - гражданская война на Украине утихнет сама собой. Конечно, вони с Запада будет очень много, но как это всегда бывает, очень скоро все Западные и Украинские крикуны засунут свои языки себе же в ж.опу. Молю бога, чтобы у ВВП хватило мужества и воли противостоять офигенному давлению Запада!

[Dracula]

Переговоры по рецепту Бориса Филатова - *Нужно давать мра....м любые подобные обещания, гарантии и идти на любые уступки. А вешать... Вешать их надо потом* Верить таким людям смерти подобно.

[silverwolf88]

Переговоры переговорами ... НО это только обмен мнениями не более ... ибо без участия представителей Востока Украины ... провозгласивших образование новых территориальных образований ... реально договариваться не с кем и не о чём.

[Aslan]

то что переговоры ведет Кучма весьма примечательно,это он продал страну США,и находился под их полным влиянием,при нём подняли головы бандеровцы,при нём начали придумывать слова в украинском языке,чтобы заменить ими русские,старый подкрашенный п.е.д.и.к.