What kind of beast is the "Needle"

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Last time in the news MANPADS are very often remembered, as a rule "Strela-2" or Igla ".
But very few people understand what this is all about, so I’ll briefly describe the device of such devices.

What kind of beast is the "Needle"


So, first banal things.
Such MANPADS have a homing missile. Not a rocket that flies out of a grenade launcher, where to send it and where it gets lucky. Not anti-tank missile "Fagot", which is sent by the operator in flight. The MANPADS missile flies by itself and directs itself.

To capture a goal you need a very hot target. Well, like the exhaust of an aircraft jet engine, of the order of 900 degrees. But according to the stories of the fighters - the rocket is able to cling to the tip of a cigarette, which has only 400 ° C.
But, of course, there is no talk of any “hot conditioner”; even the exhaust pipe of the car is too cold for a rocket. Unless it can "catch" the brake discs of a sports car, they warm up during the races red hot, and this is more than 500 ° C.



Now look at the rocket.

A certain “figovina” sticks out in front of her and for some reason it is considered that it is she who is guided to the target, it is in her sensor.
I hasten to disappoint - this is a trivial flow divider. The rocket is supersonic, it has a speed of the order of 500 m / s (this is one and a half the speed of sound). The Kalashnikov bullet flies slightly faster than the 700 m / s, but the bullet speed drops rapidly, and here the rocket flies several kilometers at that speed. But the divider is not required. There are rockets with a certain trick on a tripod, and there is generally no divider.
So - this is a splitter. Inside it is just empty. The sensor is a little further - behind the annular glass.
But the question arises - if the interrupter divider sticks out right in front, how does the rocket see the plane? She is right on the course blind!

Yes, that is right.
The rocket NEVER flies right on the target. Even if it hits, it tries to explode not exactly in the exhaust of the engine, but a little to the side near the side of the aircraft (it has a sensor) in order to have more damage.
Even when the rocket is still in the installation during aiming and the sensor has not yet captured the target - it still stands unevenly.
If a soldier hits the horizon exactly in the sight, then the rocket will stick up 10 degrees, it does not coincide with the line of sight.
And by the way, so is the explanation stories with the allegedly “Needle” in Lugansk, which “shot too low” is unthinkable. It is constructively made so as not to shoot too low. At the same time, if the pipe is really lowered slightly downwards, then the rocket will simply slip out from there, it does not adhere to anything on the battle platoon from falling forward. I can imagine how many bricks can be postponed because of this, even though the rocket does not explode, the fuse is cocked already in flight.

So, below the horizon, the missile when aiming is not omitted. And how high can you screw it up?
Around 60 °. If you try to hook the target, which is higher above your head, then when you fire a rocket, powder gases will heat the heels of the soldier, and you will get your ass.



Let's go back to the sensor.
In the "Needle" there are two of them - one for the goal, and the second for false goals. And the first infrared, and the second optical. And they are both installed inside the lens / mirror lens. And the lens is mounted inside the gyroscope. Which also turns. Egg in a duck, duck in a chest ...
Before the target is captured on the ground, the gyroscope spins up to 100 revolutions per second. And this lens with sensors inside the gyroscope also rotates, examining the surrounding through the annular glass. In fact - scans the neighborhood. The lens has a narrow angle of view - 2 °, but it scans the angle in 38 °. That is, 18 ° in each direction. This is exactly the angle to which the rocket can "tighten".
But that's not all.
After the shot, the rocket rotates. It makes 20 revolutions per second, and the gyroscope at this time reduces revolutions to 20 per second, but in the opposite direction. The sensor holds the target. But keeps the goal a little to the side.

Why do it?
The rocket does not catch up with the target, it preempts it. She calculates where the goal will be with her speed and flies slightly ahead to the venue.
The main sensor is infrared and it is very desirable for it to be cooled. They do it - they cool it with liquid nitrogen, -196 ° С.
In the field. After long storage ... How?
This question is related to how they feed the rocket electronics. In the field. After storage. It is unlikely that the batteries will be a good solution if they sit down and the MANPADS will be useless.



There is something like a battery. Remotely.
We admire the picture - it is a ground power source.
In the black round - liquid nitrogen at a pressure of 350 atmospheres, and in the cylinder - an electrochemical cell, that is to say, a battery. But the battery is special - it is solid, and in working condition - on the molten electrolyte.
How does this happen.
When the power supply is connected, you need to sharply “chop” it with a special handle, that is, pierce the membrane.
The container with liquid nitrogen is opened and it is fed through a special tube to the infrared sensor of the rocket. The sensor is cooled to almost two hundred degrees frost. For this to happen, it takes 4.5 seconds. In the missile warhead there is a cumulative element, where liquid nitrogen is stored during the flight, it lasts for 14 seconds. In general, this is the life time of a rocket in flight, after 17 seconds self-destructive fires (if the rocket did not reach the target).



So liquid nitrogen ran to the rocket.
But he rushed inside - and led the action podruzhennuyu firing pin, which blows a pyrotechnic element with a blow. He lights up and melts the electrolyte (up to 500-700 ° C), a current appears in the system in a half seconds. The trigger comes to life. This is such a device from the bottom with a pistol grip. It is reusable, and if it is sown - the tribunal. Because it is terribly secret interrogator of the system of others, for the loss of which a period is provided.
This trigger gives a command to the gyroscope, which spins in three seconds. The rocket begins to search for a target.
Time to search for a target is limited. Because the nitrogen from the tank goes and evaporates, and the electrolyte in the battery cools. Time - about a minute, the manufacturer guarantees 30 seconds. After that, it all turns off, the trigger mechanism stops the gyroscope with a pointing system, the nitrogen evaporates.
So, the preparation for launch is about 5 seconds and there is about half a minute for a shot. If it didn't work out - for the next shot you need a new NPC (ground power source).
Well, let's say we coped with a bunch of target capture modes (considering whether it flies at us or away from us), the rocket said “everything is OK, caught the target” and fired.

Next is the active life of the rocket, its very same 14 seconds that are set aside for everything.
Firstly, the start engine works. This is a simple powder engine that throws a rocket out of the pipe. Throws out on 5.5 meters (for 0.4 seconds) after which the main engine works - also solid propellant and also on special powder. The launch engine does not crash with the rocket, it remains trapped at the end of the pipe. But he manages to ignite the main engine through a special channel.

The question is - from what source of power does the rocket fly in flight? As you understand, the rocket itself is not a battery either. But, unlike a terrestrial source, this is NOT a battery at all.
Before starting the starting engine, the on-board power source, the alternator, is also started. It is started by electric ignition. Because this generator works on a powder checker. Gunpowder burns, gases evolve that turn the turbogenerator. As a result, 250 watts of power and a complex scheme of speed control (and the turbine makes about 18 thousand rpm). The gunpowder burns at a speed of 5 mm per second and burns completely in 14 seconds (which is not surprising).



Here you need to rocket the rocket on the target to take lead. But there is still no speed, the rocket has not accelerated, the aerodynamic control surfaces (designed for supersonic) are useless. And then it will turn late. This helps the generator. More precisely not the generator itself, but its exhaust powder gases. They are on special tubes through the valves to the side at the end of the rocket, which deploys it at the commands of the guidance system.

Then everything is clear - the rocket works itself. She looks after the goal, estimates her speed and goes to the meeting point. Whether it succeeds depends on many factors. The “Needle” helicopter reaches the 3.5 km altitude, and the plane only reaches the 2.5, its speed is greater and if it is higher, it will not be caught up.

Well, after the shot, we are left with an empty plastic pipe and a trigger mechanism with a handle. It is desirable to pass the plastic pipe, it can be equipped again, the newly equipped pipes are marked with red rings, up to five starts can be made from one pipe.

And that garbage that flew ... it cost 35 thousands of euros.
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  1. 0
    24 June 2014 08: 33
    It’s interesting, but they tried to put a divider on ordinary bullets for small arms, as an experiment?
    1. +4
      24 June 2014 12: 33
      Look at the bullet at the revolver. There is a flat tip with a cavitation effect that reduces air resistance.
      1. +8
        26 June 2014 11: 00
        How does the air resistance decrease if a shock is formed in front of an aircraft with a "blunt" tip in a supersonic flow? Then all our supersonic aircraft would look like airships ...
        Only the temperature of the outer shell decreases, because the shock is detached - not on the surface of the object. Therefore, on the Needle, as on some supersonic aircraft, the heat was taken away from the sensing element by a rod on the head, and not by "bluntness".
        With a revolver, everything is easier: "blunting" increased the stopping effect of the bullet.
        1. +1
          26 June 2014 16: 10
          Quote: Genry
          Look at the bullet at the revolver. There is a flat tip with a cavitation effect that reduces air resistance.


          Quote: Moore
          With a revolver, everything is easier: "blunting" increased the stopping effect of the bullet.


          As far as I remember about Nagan, the bullet was simply cut off from him so that it would not protrude from the sleeve. In this form, the neck of the sleeve entered the barrel (on these same 2-3 mm) and snuggled up against the walls of the barrel when fired, protected from gas breakthrough.
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            1. -1
              27 June 2014 07: 00
              I agree with you about the stupidity of "mammoth5"
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        2. 0
          26 June 2014 21: 49
          The gizmo on the head of the aircraft is called an ejector and serves to form a kind of cocoon in which the aircraft can acquire a higher flight speed than without an ejector. The whole secret in this case is in the form of an ejector.
    2. +4
      24 June 2014 12: 35
      Quote: Bosk
      It’s interesting, but they tried to put a divider on ordinary bullets for small arms, as an experiment?

      Sheepskin dressing is not worth it. Even as an experiment ...
    3. anomalocaris
      +4
      25 June 2014 11: 07
      We tried, but the sheepskin, as the respected Chicot 1 said, is not worth the candle. In principle, pointed bullets appeared precisely with the aim of reducing aerodynamic drag. And now conjure over the rear end of the bullet.
    4. +2
      26 June 2014 01: 16
      What kind of beast is the "Needle"
      This is a very dangerous beast. Quiet, inconspicuous and thus very dangerous.
      The article does not understand the principle of lead with the GOS. Scanning is not at all anticipation at any point. The missile itself approaches and rests against the radiation source by scanning.
  2. +32
    24 June 2014 08: 34
    The most important thing is not said ... but maybe it’s for the better ... nobody has canceled the state secret, and I will not.
    For reference - I studied this thing professionally.
    1. +1
      24 June 2014 09: 12
      If necessary, you can write about the interrogator ... in general terms
      1. +36
        24 June 2014 10: 19
        well yes. About aiming and capturing the target not a word. and this is interesting.

        cool article. accessible and understandable. and interesting.
        1. +13
          24 June 2014 10: 41
          Quote: Bigfoot_Sev
          cool article. accessible and understandable. and interesting.

          Yeah, yes. You can recommend to the children's encyclopedia.
          1. +16
            24 June 2014 11: 23
            uh huh. in the section on "how it works".

            By the way, here in the shops there are toy machines, pistols, shotguns. there are sniper rifles. But there is no toy PZRK / PTRK.
            hmm, great idea for a business. :-))))))))
            1. +7
              24 June 2014 18: 57
              he worked in one office. We arrived at the object, a boy comes out, about 10 years old, a MUHA hangs on his shoulder next to the military unit, they bring empty containers instead of toys to the kids.
              1. 0
                25 June 2014 13: 48
                In childhood, there were such toys from the landfill laughing
            2. Andrey1
              0
              26 June 2014 12: 05
              If they can just shoot with an exact copy of the machine (((That’s for it, they will arrest them for a few days they will see until they figure out what it is a fake.
              1. 0
                26 June 2014 22: 24
                Quote: Andrey1
                If with an exact copy of the machine they can just shoot

                Relax, Andrew. We are not in America! wink
        2. +2
          24 June 2014 11: 28
          Ahead.
          In my opinion, it was necessary to start with this - from where the anti-aircraft gunner generally finds out where he should look
          By the way, about the same question on Arrow-10
        3. +16
          24 June 2014 16: 58
          .... 35 thousand euros .... Yes, the device has risen in price ... I remember in the distant 80s on a bad question: "is it worth lope" ??? - there was an answer 2 pieces - "Zhiguli" ... wassat laughing
          1. +9
            24 June 2014 17: 42
            Actually, the price ratio remains the same. 2 small cars.
        4. +15
          24 June 2014 18: 50
          The operator does not need an algorithm for capturing and aiming, and "chatting - helping the enemy" laughing nobody canceled.
      2. +25
        24 June 2014 12: 23
        Still, do not go deeper. Here not only their own "walk". There are also people who wish Russia and its population bad.
        1. +4
          24 June 2014 13: 24
          Quote: mirag2
          Still, do not go deeper. Here not only their own "walk". There are also people who wish Russia and its population bad.


          oh my god. Yes, everything is on the Internet. :-)

          in Google:
          PZRK needle pointing
          PZRK needle interrogator
          pzrk needle nrz work

          sold, sold ... secrets secrets ... laid out themselves, for free! :-)
          1. badger1974
            +7
            24 June 2014 14: 07
            What are you as a little child, you sold secrets, these secrets are a hundred years old at lunchtime, extensive articles about MANPADS in the 90s Foreign Military Review, in the same 90s detailed articles about the Strela-type MANPADS family, etc. , in addition, you should know that the GOS of Soviet MANPADS in Soviet times was produced at the enterprise "Arsenal", the city of Kiev, after the collapse of the USSR, "Arsenal" entered the NPO "Luch", the city of Kiev, which the Igla-type MANPADS produced completely independently, exactly like ATGM "Skif" and so on, it's worth noticing - MANPADS from Luch and MANPADS from Russian tochmash differ in quality and all sorts of useful devices, you can talk about them separately
            1. +5
              24 June 2014 15: 27
              about sold it was lower. but about the secrets above. generally.
              I mimicked.

              I just didn’t understand. why should I know that "the arsenal was in Kiev, and now it is the beam that the needle makes, as well as the Scythian. and the fact that the Kiev beam of the MANPADS differs in quality from the Russian tomash and has useful devices". Well, I just asked about aiming and capture. I didn’t come to buy it. laughing

              for advertising plus.
              1. badger1974
                +1
                24 June 2014 15: 32
                Well, call me, I didn’t understand immediately, I read about some selling secrets that are not there, well, etc.
                1. +4
                  24 June 2014 17: 07
                  .... There are secrets .... Few countries can afford to develop and make such devices .... Everyone knows how the atomic bomb works, but they can’t do it .... hi
            2. +4
              24 June 2014 17: 01
              secrets, these secrets are a hundred years old at lunch, ....
              ... The most interesting thing is that the Americans ripped off their MANPADS from the Soviet one, right exactly after the Vietnam War ... Before that, they didn’t have, and the first Soviet MANPADS was baptized in precisely 73 in Vietnam .... Amerov this device very unpleasantly surprised ... hi
              1. badger1974
                +5
                24 June 2014 17: 11
                there is one thing, but theirs Red Eye was previously tested in trials, another thing they even kept their MANPADS secret from their allies, because the NATO allies went their separate ways, but it turned out that the Soviets and the Americans went the same way, at 80 -kh, we were divided in the matter of spectrum, and our GOS IR in MANPADS is the most effective (ours, I mean the USSR), which has a two-channel sector in the IR range, star-striped elbows bite now, UV in the GOS system of MANPADS were not visible
              2. 0
                26 June 2014 20: 56
                And, by the way, therefore, the explanation of the story with the alleged "Needle" in Luhansk, which "shot too low" is unthinkable. And it continues to amaze. Something like this.
          2. +11
            24 June 2014 17: 29
            There are no secrets here. Since those old years, when one long-dead scum hijacked the MiG-25 with our interrogator-responder system from the alliance and sold secrets to NATO, the situation has completely settled down. Immediately after that memorable incident, the "friend or foe" system was modified in our country, information on the principle of the "passwords" operation was of little interest to anyone (the request and response codes themselves are constantly changing). Therefore, there is not the slightest secret in the description of the general principle of operation of MANPADS (the missile homing head detects a target, gives a command to the interrogator, who issues a coded signal of the detected target, if the target is "his own", receives a corresponding coded signal in response, decrypting it, the interrogator issues a signal to the sight of the complex that we are aiming at "ours", after which the operator has the joyful opportunity to press the button "one - shoot"). The flight algorithm of the missile of ground-based complexes "with excess" is also not a state secret - this is more connected with the danger at the initial stage of the flight not to collide with tree branches, high hills and other obstacles, and the fuses on most air defense systems were always remote and fragmentation warheads - the luminous target is extremely does not even like small holes (I still remember how in the early 80s we left the MiG-23 airfield from the unfinished hatch of the behind-the-cockpit compartment - thank God, he could sit down, the skin was stripped almost to the keel; MiG was not ours, flight , but it took a long time to fix it).
          3. +3
            24 June 2014 19: 05
            and half an hour after a request to the Internet, polite people don’t knock on my door
        2. +1
          24 June 2014 16: 45
          Quote: mirag2
          Still, do not go deeper. Here not only their own "walk". There are also people who wish Russia and its population bad.

          This is all on the network and is described in much more detail:
          For those interested, the link: http://portal.tpu.ru/files/departments/publish/VK_AkylovBaydakovVasiliev.pdf
      3. +1
        26 June 2014 00: 37
        I agree that if you only aim at the request "friend or foe" then nitrogen is not needed, the target shows itself when asked ... Maybe I "froze", but still ...
        1. +1
          26 June 2014 19: 09
          A warm Bosko missile simply can’t see the target at max range, it won’t shoot
    2. +3
      24 June 2014 11: 34
      Quote: akm8226
      .. no one canceled the guest

      Do you seriously think that with the level of corruption of our officials, the Pentagon has no detailed plans for this product? I am sure that there is, and with all the documentation and samples.
      1. +1
        24 June 2014 13: 05
        good "Everything is sold to us .." (p.)
    3. +9
      24 June 2014 12: 20
      And rightly so! The article is "popular science", and besides, with light humor, so that the "teapot" would roughly imagine what it is all about.
      I liked her very much.
      There would be more of these, and of course not only about the "Needle", but also about other MANPADS, including those of foreign production.
      I think I'm not the only one who will be grateful for this! good
      1. +3
        24 June 2014 13: 53
        For a teapot, the weight of the kit could be specified to represent how easily a fighter can move with it. Well, the simplest performance characteristics, such as the minimum and maximum target hitting height ...
      2. +3
        24 June 2014 17: 08
        .... Foreign MANPADS are basically clones from a derivative ("Igla") ....
    4. +1
      24 June 2014 15: 14
      Quote: akm8226
      The most important thing is not said ... but maybe it’s for the better ... nobody has canceled the state secret, and I will not.
      For reference - I studied this thing professionally.

      And why brag?
      And the article .. About nothing.
      But "everything" is told.
      The author is well done. And the photo is not our sample.
    5. DPZ
      +2
      25 June 2014 08: 50
      here it is described in an accessible language, for the profane, this is enough to understand the principle of operation
    6. +1
      25 June 2014 19: 23
      Quote: akm8226
      The most important thing is not said ...

      Yes, the guidance system is not covered.
      But do not!
      Let secretly work reliably against the enemies of the motherland! Yes
    7. +2
      27 June 2014 06: 05
      akm8226
      The most important thing is not said ... but maybe it’s for the better ... nobody has canceled the state secret, and I will not.
      For reference - I studied this thing professionally

      What kind of state secrets can there be in the Needle? That you are casting a shadow on the fence. Without reference, her gender of this site has been professionally (and not so) studied. The system for identifying friend or foe there is prehistoric and the simplest, and does not give any guarantee of recognition. Therefore, for the loss of the trigger, except as "squandering military property", nothing more will be sewn. And knowledge of the enemy's air attack silhouettes is a guarantee of a free and calm life.
      In addition, the article focuses on technical training, but does not pay attention to shooting, its modes - manual and automatic, target capture for tracking. And this is the main thing. By and large, the anti-aircraft gunner on the drum, what’s inside the rocket and what chemical processes are going on in it. The main thing is that he promptly accepts the command to fire, as the robot did a shot, capture the target and launch. Everything else does not depend on him.
    8. Matroskin 18
      0
      28 June 2014 21: 46
      The most important thing is not said ... but maybe it’s for the better ... nobody has canceled the state secret, and I will not.
      For reference - I studied this thing professionally.

      I remember from college ... there is a switch for oncoming and catch-up courses. This is for general information. For what - it is clear from the name.
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  3. I am proud of Russia
    +12
    24 June 2014 08: 51
    It was very interesting, especially about generators and nitrogen ... All my life I thought that the black ball is a guidance sensor (
    1. +4
      24 June 2014 17: 10
      Quote: Proud of Russia
      It was very interesting, especially about generators and nitrogen ... All my life I thought that the black ball is a guidance sensor (
      ...
      ... Sometimes read the magazine "Popular Mechanics" section "Weapons" .... There you will not find something like that and with beautiful pictures ... laughing
  4. +9
    24 June 2014 08: 52
    Quote: akm8226
    The most important thing is not said ... but maybe it’s for the better ... nobody has canceled the state secret, and I will not.
    For reference - I studied this thing professionally.

    I understand what you mean, but for the layman it’s enough. Offset to the author.
  5. +3
    24 June 2014 09: 15
    He served on Arrow-10, with joint launches, our missiles intercepted the Needles and shot them down)))
    1. +1
      24 June 2014 10: 42
      Quote: granula1010
      He served on Arrow-10, with joint launches, our missiles intercepted the Needles and shot them down)))


      Is it your entertainment? shoot figovy for 35 thousand euros?
      1. +12
        24 June 2014 17: 16
        Pavel, I served at an air training ground. The cost of one ATGM is about the cost of a Lada by Soviet standards. And they were shot by dozens of turntables during flights to us, to the training ground. And if we talk about work, then the landfill worked 300 days a year. Imagine how much ammunition was fired - bombs, NURSs, ATGMs, shots to the AP and KP. And this is one flight school, where there are 3 regiments of fighters and 1 regiment of a turntable, where they trained foreign allies (Warsaw Treaty, Cuba, Asia, Africa). For training 1 pilot, for example, Libya paid 1 mil. rubles in gold (as we were told). Do you want to have a good army? Pay, and the maintenance of the army is not profitable. Therefore, a well-equipped and trained army can only have a rich state, and not the fact that it can solve all the tasks.
    2. badger1974
      +2
      24 June 2014 14: 19
      you were lucky that there were no “partisans” with a “cornet” or “mestizo” as part of Igla's calculations, it is not worth enthusiasm, MANPADS are a weapon of asymmetric war, surprise, and your carriage does not fit into surprise,
      1. +5
        24 June 2014 18: 03
        The purpose of MANPADS is to protect the unit from a direct attack from the air (near air defense). None of such a complex has the task of shooting down the enemy’s MANPADS, that is, defending their own aircraft. Do not be fooled by the foolish enthusiasm that some air defense systems beat others somewhere. The author of this comment is somehow not very adequate to the tactical air defense mission ...
  6. Dima190579
    +8
    24 June 2014 09: 29
    THANKS. I was interested.
  7. +4
    24 June 2014 09: 54
    I absolutely admire the genius of the developers of this complex !!! Weakly defeat the Russian people to these stupid Americans. We’ll not even come up with this. Yes, probably already come up with. It is only necessary to work for everyone, and not drink coffee at offices.
  8. +15
    24 June 2014 10: 03
    You have to understand that the photo shows the same "famous" POLISH COUNTERFEIT, which they tried to foist on Life News journalists, thus tying them to "complicity in terrorism."
    And the "blue army blanket" also figured in the case.

    ARTICLE GOOD, informative. And I would very much like for the author in such a publication separately, in more detail, to dwell on the basics of aiming from such complexes.

    And suddenly come in handy??
    1. +9
      24 June 2014 10: 30
      With our missile you can shoot down any plane, even your own, at least someone else's. When capturing a target in MANPADS, they turn on the interrogator "friend or foe", on the MANPADS, on the side, there is a switch - "slider"
      Shift to the right - the interrogator is on, to the left - off. What is typical is that it is turned off in storage .. If the aircraft responds with a valid identification code, the system gives an audible signal to alert the operator ... The interrogator can simply be turned off this time, and two is that the mode of changing identification codes is a very complicated constant process and it must be monitored with particular care. That is, during the change of codes in the interrogators of anti-aircraft weapons and the defendants of aviation.
    2. +5
      24 June 2014 13: 17
      Quote: Corsair
      And suddenly come in handy ???

      Technical training of the platoon commander 9K38 Igla .pdf - https://yadi.sk/i/1eQFeOiaUfk4q
    3. SIT
      0
      24 June 2014 15: 00
      Quote: Corsair


      You have to understand that the photo shows the same "famous" POLISH COUNTERFEIT, which they tried to foist on Life News journalists, thus tying them to "complicity in terrorism."

      Ahhh that's the thing! And then I watched the news and did not get into MANPADS in appearance like ours, but the inscriptions in Latin. The Poles, therefore, were piracy, and the SBU officers, having spun off such crap, did not see it due to their duty, so they thought that they were doing it in the Russian Federation.
      1. badger1974
        +2
        24 June 2014 17: 32
        Kivivsky Ray, Poles and all sraka, therefore, the needle went to the three-point
    4. SIT
      0
      24 June 2014 15: 00
      Quote: Corsair


      You have to understand that the photo shows the same "famous" POLISH COUNTERFEIT, which they tried to foist on Life News journalists, thus tying them to "complicity in terrorism."

      Ahhh that's the thing! And then I watched the news and did not get into MANPADS in appearance like ours, but the inscriptions in Latin. The Poles, therefore, were piracy, and the SBU officers, having spun off such crap, did not see it due to their duty, so they thought that they were doing it in the Russian Federation.
    5. 0
      24 June 2014 15: 58
      Quote: Corsair
      And suddenly come in handy ???

      Forgot about Gaddafi’s looted arsenals?
  9. Merck
    +2
    24 June 2014 10: 10
    very instructive and interesting, thanks, offset
  10. +2
    24 June 2014 10: 23
    Good article. 5+
  11. +6
    24 June 2014 10: 29
    the article is very informative. Built with a touch of sarcasm and prosperity))))))
    The phrase at the end of the article smiled especially
    "And that bullshit that flew away ... it cost 35 thousand euros."
    1. +1
      24 June 2014 12: 28
      But shot down a turntable or a plane ten times more expensive!
      1. +1
        24 June 2014 19: 06
        no, the cost is a hundred times difference. life saved, and damage, if not destroyed. so the thing is useful.
        1. +1
          26 June 2014 12: 53
          The main damage from missiles is always pilots. For modern aviation, pilot qualifications are decisive. The cost of training a jet pilot is at least $ 3 million, usually more. The time is rather big. A piece of iron can be cut a lot, only who will fly?
          1. badger1974
            +2
            26 June 2014 14: 30
            erroneesh, the piece of iron needs a device for the presence of an attack, that is, an IR sensor, which will certainly show you about a point that is approaching you, like "Sirena" (to irradiate the radar) and the like, only then the pilot having the information can do something, in the case of Okrainsky Air Force - there is a loot for a flight of about 9000 bahli and a refuge in the states, so we have felled and will bring down Benderavia from their own ISL produced by BEAM
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  12. +1
    24 June 2014 10: 31
    informatively, did not know much, plus to the author.
  13. +4
    24 June 2014 11: 29
    ... So, liquid nitrogen ran to the rocket.

    Even I doubt that liquid nitrogen ran to the rocket, storing nitrogen in a liquid state for a long time (in storage in warehouses) is a bad and unnecessary task. Who is in the know, tell me, probably all the same, the nitrogen in the capsule is just under high pressure, but gaseous, and it becomes liquid in the rocket, through some kind of expander or cunning nozzle?
    1. +7
      24 June 2014 12: 42
      There, most likely, NORMAL, gaseous nitrogen under high pressure, but it becomes "liquid" already in the area of ​​the mirror, at the moment it leaves the "liquefaction nozzle" - the pressure drops sharply, the temperature also drops in proportion to the pressure - school physics course.
      1. 0
        25 June 2014 19: 47
        In the scientific literature, the "liquefaction nozzle" is called a throttle; both conventional refrigerators and installations for the liquefaction of nitrogen, oxygen and even helium (-269 C) work on this principle
    2. 0
      24 June 2014 15: 37
      Quote: Max Otto
      Even I doubt that liquid nitrogen ran to the rocket, storing nitrogen in a liquid state for a long time (in storage in warehouses) is a bad and unnecessary task. Who is in the know, tell me, probably all the same, the nitrogen in the capsule is just under high pressure, but gaseous, and it becomes liquid in the rocket, through some kind of expander or cunning nozzle?


      Liquid nitrogen can be stored both in open form and under pressure.

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Жидкий_азот

      Here is the second case, and it does not turn from gas to liquid, as it was still liquid, but on the contrary, liquid gas turns into ordinary vaporizing. For example, a lighter, there is liquid, butane, which turns into a combustible gas, into zippo gasoline. which also turns into gas after exiting.
      1. IGS
        0
        26 June 2014 01: 44
        Liquid nitrogen can be stored both in open form and under pressure.
        Here it is in compressed form, and not in liquefied form. Learn materiel laughing. There is such a thing as critical temperature. This is the temperature above which the liquid cannot exist at any pressure. Look at its value for nitrogen. Will you be able to constantly maintain this temperature in the field (~ -147C). It is possible to turn nitrogen into liquid only at a temperature below -147С, at a temperature above (in particular from -50С to + 50С), at any pressure it will be gas.
        1. 0
          26 June 2014 12: 54
          At 3000 atm at 271K it will not be gas but brick.
          1. badger1974
            +1
            26 June 2014 14: 34
            Interesting, but here you are? not really reached such a point in kelvin? I haven’t met anywhere in Naupope (popular science journalism)
            1. IGS
              0
              30 June 2014 18: 12
              At 3000 atm at 271K it will not be gas but brick.

              271 Kelvin is -2 Celsius
              PS How do you test children in children? laughing
              1. badger1974
                0
                30 June 2014 19: 44
                you will deal with your IGS formation, kelvin starts from an assumed zero (3 degrees adds relic background radiation) that Kelvin zero is zero plus three degrees Kelvin zero is 3 degrees and is absolute zero, and Celsius takes its measurement at the point of crystallization , that of pure distilled water, that is zero from Kelvin, that is 273 degrees, you can use pharyngate (there is complete confusion and what does it have to do with system units), your physicist has an absolute zero in Kelvin
                1. IGS
                  0
                  1 July 2014 09: 15
                  Answer the question: 0 Kelvin, how much Celsius?
                  1. badger1974
                    0
                    8 July 2014 13: 03
                    -273 and there are some hundredths after the decimal point, but in general minus 273 centigrade, not a single laboratory in this world has reached such a temperature, relict radiation of 3 degrees is to blame
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      2. IGS
        0
        30 June 2014 18: 29
        For example, a lighter, there is liquid, butane, which turns into a combustible gas, into zippo gasoline. which also turns into gas after exiting.

        Butane is a colorless combustible gas with a specific odor, easily liquefied from −0,5 ° C at normal pressure. Critical temperature +152 ° C. Turns into brick at −138 ° C.
        1. badger1974
          0
          30 June 2014 19: 46
          Well, not in brick, but in cotton wool, I hope you can’t put it out of cotton at home? or all the same dog?
          1. IGS
            0
            1 July 2014 09: 00
            Into the brick. In cotton wool those who are nearby without Izz. laughing Read the properties of butane.
            PS They didn’t drink at the Brudershaft.
    3. anomalocaris
      +2
      25 June 2014 11: 20
      It is stored very simply. It is even easier to store than compressed gas. There is such a thing, a Dewar vessel, colloquially called a thermos, and here it is stored in it, as well as other liquefied gases.
      1. badger1974
        +1
        26 June 2014 14: 37
        I will add, at the shipyard Ilyichevsk we poured into a bucket and yelled while pouring soaring gas under the Mouzon, similar to the cartoon about a hare and a wolf in "just wait a minute"
  14. +1
    24 June 2014 11: 32
    The article is good, I learned a lot!
  15. +1
    24 June 2014 12: 07
    Informative for those interested.
    It would be necessary to also talk about shooting in the same simplistic way (how to turn on, aim and shoot).
    Suddenly come in handy? Not me, so the guys from Donetsk ...
  16. +7
    24 June 2014 12: 17
    Quote: Max Otto
    Even I doubt that liquid nitrogen ran to the rocket, storing nitrogen in a liquid state for a long time (in storage in warehouses) is a bad and unnecessary task. Who is in the know, tell me, probably all the same, the nitrogen in the capsule is just under high pressure, but gaseous, and it becomes liquid in the rocket, through some kind of expander or cunning nozzle?

    It is stored in the gaseous phase, and it does not become liquid, thermodynamics are triggered here, because Since the process develops rapidly, it is actually an adiabatic expansion process. (Probably, at certain pressures, at room temperature, it passes through the liquid phase, but these are exorbitant values, since its solid phase at 3500 atm, as was said, in the cylinder is only 350 atm)
    http://physics-lectures.ru/molekulyarnaya-fizika-i-termodinamika/9-9-adiabatiche

    skij-process /
    The gas expands sharply, the pressure drops to several atmospheres, changing 100 times, respectively, having a low heat capacity, it cools sharply to a temperature of about 70 Kelvin. It is possible that in the drive it even reaches the liquefaction phase, but in any case, it becomes VERY cold. In a semiconductor matrix, thermal noise becomes close to zero, and sensitivity to light quanta increases sharply.
    The purchase price of the Stinger missile for the US Army in the mid-80s in the cheapest version for the Air Force was about $ 100. For the Allies, it was about $ 180. So we did it much cheaper.
    1. 0
      24 June 2014 13: 51
      Thank you, so I guessed right.
    2. badger1974
      0
      24 June 2014 15: 55
      In a semiconductor matrix, thermal noise becomes close to zero,

      Well, 70 Kelvin is far from being close to zero, and about 70 Kelvin is the possibility of destroying the material system to almost any overload and disconnecting the preservation of temperatures, and you went through the matrix, it’s not there, there are photocells based on indium and the same lead, at the expense of the stingers, everything is much more complicated, there, for the UV head, it is required to obtain a wavelength in the nanometric frequency range, and in general for a start there is Mistral MANPADS, there is no need to cool anything, but the effect is dashing
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      2. +1
        26 June 2014 12: 40
        I talked about gas, and gas reaches a temperature of 70K at the exit of the Joule-Thompson nozzle, and most likely even lower, because It was planned that it would be liquefied. The temperature of the photodetector due to the design is greater than gas. The operation of the photodetector is designed for a temperature of several K - it will not fall apart.

        The photodetectors of Needle and Stinger are multi-element, same matrix.

        The Stinger UV photomark FIM-92B and C based on InSb (like the Needle) has a sensitivity range of 1-7 microns, which is thousands of times more than a nanometer. You can, of course, write in nanometers, and in angstroms, and in kilometers, but many zeros will be needed. Therefore, it is customary to write in microns for these ranges. The thermal imager of the sight operates in the range of the order of 3-5 microns.

        InAs based Mistral photodetectors have a spectral sensitivity in the region of 3-5 μm, for this it needs to be cooled to a temperature of about 195 K. This is significantly higher than the optimal temperature of 77 K, as in InSb in Eagle. But it is necessary to cool !!! In theory, Mistral should be inferior to Stinger and Eagle in terms of target capture range, especially in PPS.
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  17. +1
    24 June 2014 12: 32
    If in the military departments reading lectures were given in the same way, then the students' opinion about them would be completely different ...
    1. +9
      24 June 2014 13: 07
      Quote: Dragon-y
      If in the military departments reading lectures were given in the same way, then the students' opinion about them would be completely different ...

      During my time as a cadet, a teacher of Theoretical Electrical Engineering, cap. 3rd rank Kozlov, taught SO that ELECTRONS THEY Crawled ON THE TABLE ...
      A man knew how to bring material to the most stupid cadet ...
      "Cap three" literally LOOKED INTO THE EYES of the cadet to understand whether it "got it" or not ...

      It is a pity that such PEOPLE come across very rarely in life, I would like more often, you look and would be smarter than it is ...
      1. +1
        25 June 2014 19: 54
        We called it: "tell it so that your grandmother understands." And by and large, everyone can count such teachers on the fingers of one hand.
  18. badger1974
    +7
    24 June 2014 13: 04
    article on the total score plus, but some details on the IK GOS of the "Igla" family are misleading, for example, the author writes: There are two of them in "Needle" - one for the purpose, and the second for false targets. Moreover, the first is infrared, and the second is optical. Somehow it is wrong in the IR GOS Eagle, both optical elements work in the IR spectrum (IR spectrum of wavelengths from about 1 to 2000 micrometers), and so in the needle the main cooled photodetector records a length of 3-5 μm While the auxiliary uncooled one is in the range from 1 to 3 microns, that is, the Eagle's GOS has a two-band mode of operation in the IR spectrum, currently the Eagle family has a three-band IR GOS, in contrast to the stinger GOS which has a two-spectral GOS IR and UV
    1. +2
      25 June 2014 20: 07
      Well, I understand you, after all, a specialist. And the article is written for those who have infrared and UV ... (And there’s no reason to offend anyone, you shouldn’t be an expert in everything.)
      And you still plus.
      1. badger1974
        0
        26 June 2014 16: 45
        You look at Nick’s photo, I’m a fireman, it happened in my life, but in general I was methyl in the design bureau at the plant named after Malysheva, armament is a hobby, ATP is for your understanding and plus
  19. +4
    24 June 2014 13: 12
    An excellent article, there would be more of them, otherwise this site more closely resembles a political review rather than a military one.
  20. +2
    24 June 2014 13: 31
    In the black round - liquid nitrogen at a pressure of 350 atmospheres, and in the cylinder - an electrochemical cell, that is to say, a battery. But the battery is special - it is solid, and in working condition - on the molten electrolyte.

    In a cylinder - gas under pressure of 350 atmospheres. When the pressure drops to atmospheric, the compressed gas cools very much. Liquid nitrogen, unlike compressed, cannot be stored for a long time.
    Technical training of the platoon commander 9K38 Igla .pdf - https://yadi.sk/i/1eQFeOiaUfk4q
    1. 0
      24 June 2014 18: 32
      It’s even possible, and you can store it for years without spending any energy in an ordinary thick-walled thermos. I myself witnessed how they found such a thermos in the warehouse that stood there for so long that the storekeeper who worked there for 20 years assured that he appeared there before him and when the nitrogen was opened, and was in a liquid state.
      1. anomalocaris
        0
        25 June 2014 11: 30
        Yeah. I myself use these. Volume - 4,5 liters, the size of a bucket.
        1. 0
          25 June 2014 20: 14
          In youth, in such a Dewar flask, beer was secretly transported to the enterprise. It was really cold for a long time, but it was not possible to set a maximum period.
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  22. 0
    24 June 2014 13: 55
    an amusing little thing, but it’s more reliable, that is, say a height of up to 5 km. well, and no way ...
  23. Leshka
    0
    24 June 2014 14: 17
    The needle is not a nice thing for turntables and planes good
  24. Arzamas
    0
    24 June 2014 14: 51
    A good article, thanks to the author, before that I had imagined such things simply by cutting a pipe with a primitive rocket such as a couple kg of gunpowder in an iron case, but it turns out to be not so simple.
    I can imagine how many bricks can be put aside because of this, although the rocket does not explode, the fuse is cocked already in flight.
    - but this offer normally amused me, I didn’t immediately drive in and where did the bricks ... smile
    1. 0
      24 June 2014 22: 27
      Quote: Arzamas
      the rocket will not explode, the fuse cocked already in flight.
      - but this offer normally amused me, I didn’t immediately drive in and where did the bricks

      Even knowing all this, the bricks will sprinkle.
  25. 0
    24 June 2014 14: 57
    The author of the article 5 +, is written in a simple, understandable language with a share of humor and sarcasm! good
  26. RAA
    0
    24 June 2014 15: 40
    There was information that the British used MANPADS in the Falklands not only against aviation but also against Argentine artillery.
    1. badger1974
      +1
      25 June 2014 07: 58
      the radio command system MANPADS "Bloupipe" is quite possible to hit on marmots, there is one drawback, all 20 seconds of the missile flight to the target you are tied to it, and seconds in a war turn into minutes if not hours
      1. 0
        26 June 2014 12: 48
        + It’s unrealistic to get into something real at a distance of more than 3 km.
        1. badger1974
          0
          26 June 2014 15: 47
          but what about the tank biathlon ----- without "Sona" (pine is an automatic calculator for the tank's LMS)
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  27. +3
    24 June 2014 15: 51
    I thought the former operators would tell in more detail, but for now, what I once asked
    http://gspo.ru/index.php?showtopic=1303&st=2080
    Partisan Base> Military-historical sections> Modern weapons. Ground troops
    The following is written about Said’s Igloo
    In the combat operation of these complexes, the differences from the portable air defense systems "Igla-1" consisted in the fact that the target designation from the 1L110 tablet developed for the "Igla" complex could be sent to the anti-aircraft gunners to the anti-aircraft gunners on the indicator devices of the trigger mechanism of this complex through the wired communication lines of the complex, which accelerated search and capture of targets.
    http://pvo.guns.ru/pzrk/igla_02.htm
    In practice, really used wire lines? What was the maximum length of such a line?
    or preferred to use radio stations or just flags?
    The cable to 1L110 went 50m.
    In practice, I saw MANPADS only once, most likely - Strela2. The unit commander had a tablet, but they drove us away from him with kicks, such as a top secret. TS was given by walkie-talkie. The shooter should have had a radio receiver, but in real life he dragged P105 (P140P, as far as I know) with an elongated headset cable and twisted around it, as if on a leash.
    Hand control was not given. Around each position of the shooter, according to the compass, 8 sticks were stuck, and then the command went something like this: "on the target over the 6th, right twenty, range 5" - then the shooter's answer, which I did not hear - "fire". True, there were no launches, and it seems that the GOS was not turned on, they just caught the plane in the sight. In my opinion, the execution of the command itself was practiced. The targets were MIGs 23 or 27, which at that time took off and landed in Tver
    the design of the first domestic PEP 1L110 included the possibility of target allocation and automated control of the combat operations of the anti-aircraft gunner’s squad, including by transmitting target designation to individual PU sighting devices by wire.
    But this function was not in demand since the tactics of using MANPADS in domestic motorized rifle units, worked out during exercises, showed that there is no time for deploying wireline lines for offensive and mobile defense (the main battle method). In addition, wired communication lines are vulnerable to fire, and dramatically reduce the mobility of the complex.
    At the same time, it was proposed to introduce launchers and two missiles into each motorized rifle compartment on the BMP (such measures were not taken only for subjective reasons), which also leveled the value of the control function by wire.
    This function was in demand only in the "stationary" departments of the cover MANPADS, which are organizationally part of the anti-aircraft missile batteries of heavier air defense systems (TOP, BUK and S 300).
    can there be deployed a wired connection
    Easy: 1987
    Probably, the tablet was 1L15.
    But (see Mikhalych's post) TSU telecode was "not in use" until the appearance of a radio channel in the MANPADS "Shlem" automated control system (and this is already the 2000s), that is, on the Needle.
    1. badger1974
      +2
      24 June 2014 16: 31
      Yes, you yourself think, Arrows were in tanks and in BETRs and Pawns, what kind of wired connection? maybe it was necessary in the compounds of regimental significance. but in general, MANPADS is a specific snag, and all past wars give a definitely accurate answer, MANPADS are partisan weapons, sho stingshaw sho an arrow, one field of berries, another thing is RBSka Swedish or blow shave isn’t ... there are a lot of people there it’s necessary and the operas are tied, but here he jumped out the shmall and go, there is a difference
  28. +1
    24 June 2014 16: 03
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: Dragon-y
    If in the military departments reading lectures were given in the same way, then the students' opinion about them would be completely different ...

    During my time as a cadet, a teacher of Theoretical Electrical Engineering, cap. 3rd rank Kozlov, taught SO that ELECTRONS THEY Crawled ON THE TABLE ...
    A man knew how to bring material to the most stupid cadet ...
    "Cap three" literally LOOKED INTO THE EYES of the cadet to understand whether it "got it" or not ...

    It is a pity that such PEOPLE come across very rarely in life, I would like more often, you look and would be smarter than it is ...

    To the author + for the simple and intelligible presentation of the material! and what’s not complete, then colleagues will quickly complement!
    And as for other intelligible explanations, I recall the definition of step-by-step tension: "Step-by-step tension is the tension between the legs that occurs when approaching the bare end."
  29. 0
    24 June 2014 17: 08
    The article is interesting. Another would be about "Stinger" read the same popular article.
    1. badger1974
      0
      24 June 2014 17: 35
      what exactly interests you, dual-spectrum seeker? no problem. break up like sho
      1. 0
        25 June 2014 16: 42
        You can ask a simple question ... which is better - Stinger or Needle? This is due to the latest modifications. Do you know anything about the Russian Verb? =)
        1. badger1974
          0
          26 June 2014 15: 09
          The willow is a needle, but with a three-band GOS in the IR spectrum, the sting has an omission, the UV spectrum does not hold the signal in cloudy weather, and even more so at dusk, the reference signal comes from the IR spectrum and if it is lost, the UV cannot be the reference (that is, off) , but if you overtake the sting of 500 meters, then there is nothing to "shake off" it, except for a maneuver in a cloud or in a tin-overload, UV is not used to blende
  30. 0
    24 June 2014 19: 08
    I "studied" with pleasure, thanks.
  31. leeppeeman
    0
    24 June 2014 20: 15
    Now a question. The militias in Donbass, as I understand it, are filming this very top-secret garbage, responsible for "friend or foe"?
    1. ran nearby
      +1
      24 June 2014 23: 15
      Just turn off the toggle switch. Yes, you can not turn it off - the Ukrainians still do not transfer the valid codes to them :) And the wrong code is "alien". Although it is better to turn it off all the same, the pilot remained in the dark for a longer time, he will soon be "karachun"
    2. badger1974
      0
      26 June 2014 15: 12
      there is no need to turn on this system, it is a closed zone for flights, the militia of the aviation does not, although it does, but it is on the ground in the form of downed aircraft
  32. 0
    24 June 2014 22: 55
    As a child, my father bought me a book "What a tractor can do". Until now I see off the tractor. I would not like to see off missiles from MANPADS, but the author has already set the right path. It will be necessary, I will see it off, the time is restless. For what +.
  33. kelevra
    0
    25 June 2014 07: 53
    Informative! Especially for those who believe that with a MANPADS you can knock out a tank!
    1. badger1974
      0
      25 June 2014 08: 16
      depending on which MANPADS, with a blastipe or RVS-70 it’s quite possible, well, not to knock out and mutilate incompatible with the combat activities of an armored mastodon, unfortunately neither Igla nor Stinger can
      1. 0
        25 June 2014 11: 48
        Quote: badger1974
        depending on which MANPADS, with a blastipe or RVS-70 it’s quite possible, well, not to knock out and mutilate incompatible with the combat activities of an armored mastodon, unfortunately neither Igla nor Stinger can

        What if Abrams aims at a gas turbine engine? )))
        1. badger1974
          0
          25 June 2014 12: 03
          MANPAD missile flies straight 15-20 meters, the rest of the time it (that is, the electronic brain) reads information in terms of plus-minus (there is no current) or 0 or 1 in the binary bin, for this short time the missile deviates, this is characteristic minus the aerodynamic translational motion of the IR towards the target, the higher the rate of information reset in favor of updating it, the more stable the flight, unfortunately the ground in the IR range is very phonetic, therefore there is a filter in the ATGM, it is not in the MANPADS of the IR systems
    2. +1
      25 June 2014 09: 49
      I heard that from a grenade launcher you can land a rotorcraft, but I didn’t hear that you could knock a tank out of MANPADS.
      1. badger1974
        0
        25 June 2014 12: 48
        well, not to knock out but to limit the void to incapacitation, easily, just not with needles and stingers, RBS-70 and BLOUs, JOVA's videos show, I doubt sometimes Jave Lynn doesn’t even have a rocket with TPK, so her mother doesn’t take into account clever chocks
  34. Nikita_Pilot
    0
    25 June 2014 08: 22
    Quote: Bosk
    It’s interesting, but they tried to put a divider on ordinary bullets for small arms, as an experiment?


    Bullets are already made comulative, but the divider can also be delivered.
  35. +1
    25 June 2014 09: 08
    Quote: Bigfoot_Sev
    uh huh. in the section on "how it works".

    By the way, here in the shops there are toy machines, pistols, shotguns. there are sniper rifles. But there is no toy PZRK / PTRK.
    hmm, great idea for a business. :-))))))))

    You just haven't been to toy stores for a long time.
  36. +2
    25 June 2014 09: 46
    Very interesting and informatively written and most importantly - in moderation with humor: "And that garbage that flew away ... it cost 35 thousand euros" laughing
    I love such articles in which the material is so readily developed, for such, for example, noobs like me feel
  37. MSA
    MSA
    0
    25 June 2014 11: 09
    Interesting information, when it may come in handy.
  38. +3
    25 June 2014 12: 04
    Quote: sivuch
    Ahead.
    In my opinion, it was necessary to start with this - from where the anti-aircraft gunner generally finds out where he should look
    By the way, about the same question on Arrow-10


    On Strela-10 ... In wartime, the battery of arrows should be guided by the Command Control Center based on the PPRU, it has a radar. The Arrow itself does not emit anything, there is only a passive radio direction finder (boxes on the body) (PRP), which can approximately determine from which direction the arrow is irradiated by the radar of the helicopter aircraft and, by signal strength, determine the range, very approximate. In the sight, it looks like a diode bar of different colors (if the memory does not change from green to red). Alternatively, observers can be assigned at the parking lot, so as not to unmask the positions of the tank (motorized rifle) regiment with radar from the KPU. If a target is detected (visually, by sound), they report to the command post by radio, and the Arrow on duty begins a visual search for the target. Another subtlety, the crew of each Arrow in the parking lot makes a binding on the ground with the help of an artillery compass (when a target appears from the KPU, an order, for example, "call sign" is to search for a target azimuth such and such ...). Also, the crew of each vehicle can independently search for the target, but this, I say from experience, is a bad idea, if not in theory. In KapYar, in a clear sky, it was not immediately possible to see the plane at a distance of 1,5 km and an altitude of 0,8 km even through a sight, without accurate target designation from a launcher. It's like finding a bird high in the sky, although we heard the plane perfectly. In modernized arrows like the IR-mode was added, I'm sure it's easier with it.
  39. +1
    25 June 2014 13: 19
    Great educational program ... Thank you!

    Only one question - Was the text of the article declassified for our "friends" - the true purpose of the "hog-cutter" at the end of the rocket? smile
  40. 0
    25 June 2014 13: 21
    An interesting article, but what's new? I read that a new complex has appeared.
  41. 0
    25 June 2014 13: 27
    I wonder why the rocket costs so much? it's a lot!
    1. badger1974
      0
      25 June 2014 15: 20
      interesting? read the magazines that correspond to your interests, or study well (better than the best), while in the golden key - directly in the design bureau, and there they will evaluate you and understand that you are carelessness, and your knowledge about ballistics and aperration is suitable for selling female plugs and pants -this is the 20-year-oldKrainian strategy, and therefore they are jumping
  42. 0
    25 June 2014 13: 42
    Quote: yehat
    I wonder why the rocket costs so much? it's a lot!


    So in a rocket, the filling is not cheap, starting with a lithium-based battery (lithium melt playing the role of an electrolyte), to NZR (ground-based radio interrogator) It is still cheaper than a plane or helicopter drunkard, well, cheaper than the Strela complex similar in combat characteristics -10.
  43. Googlezh
    -3
    25 June 2014 13: 57
    Treatment in Israel with a medical tour - http://Medicaltour.co.il
  44. Googlezh
    -2
    25 June 2014 13: 57
    Treatment in Israel with a medical tour - http://Medicaltour.co.il
    1. badger1974
      +1
      25 June 2014 15: 32
      do you accept kidneys from corpses? troupe of not the first freshness, the smell of kerosene is possible, less often with propane, mainly with phosphorus residues, and YOU BEAUTY WITH RADIATION
  45. Googlezh
    -4
    25 June 2014 13: 57
    Treatment in Israel with a medical tour - http://Medicaltour.co.il
    1. badger1974
      0
      25 June 2014 15: 33
      do you accept kidneys from corpses? troupe of not the first freshness, the smell of kerosene is possible, less often with propane, mainly with phosphorus residues, and YOU BEAUTY WITH RADIATION
  46. 0
    25 June 2014 15: 23
    Great article! A little expensive thing, of course :)
  47. 0
    25 June 2014 20: 42
    NU Krasava told everything correctly (experience does not drink), and most importantly, individuals in the homeland have not yet translated in intelligibly understandable language !!!
  48. +3
    25 June 2014 22: 02
    I want to disappoint you. To use the complex effectively, one theory is not enough. You need training on simulators, otherwise money is wasted. I do not believe that amateurs work in Ukraine.
    1. Carp
      0
      9 January 2015 18: 17
      Trainers are usually very simple. I explained to illiterate fighters how to use it, so they figured out in a couple of hours. And educated people understand even faster. It’s just necessary to clearly explain when she can’t shoot, under what conditions.
  49. 0
    25 June 2014 22: 21
    Briefly and clearly!!!!!
  50. +1
    25 June 2014 22: 53
    useful thing and irreplaceable .. but the cost of a shot is certainly impressive ..
    1. Carp
      0
      9 January 2015 18: 18
      60000 dollars, one capping, that is, 2 missiles with spare starters. In 1996 we tried to sell them to Iran.
  51. bubble82009
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    26 June 2014 00: 15
    мда много интересного рассказано. не так просто пустить такую ракету
  52. 0
    26 June 2014 00: 23
    Хорошая вещь. правда удовольствие не из дешевых..(((
  53. 0
    26 June 2014 02: 28
    Самолёты и вертолёты карателей мне кажется можно и этим сбить. laughing Обычный стальной конус (сталь 45) - приделал сзади фейрверк и готова ракетница laughing.
  54. 0
    26 June 2014 10: 35
    Очень любопытно. Спасибо.
  55. djtyysq
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    26 June 2014 12: 23
    Хорошая.доходчивая статья!Спасибо автору,
  56. +1
    26 June 2014 13: 01
    Quote: oreh72
    Пошаговое напряжение - это напряжение между ног, возникающее при приближении к оголенному концу".

    Не пошаговое, а шаговое.
    Пошаговое, в соответствии с русским языком - это напряжение, измеряемое каждый шаг непонятно где и зачем. Шаговое - просто напряжение между потенциалами в точках касания ног на земле.
    1. badger1974
      0
      26 June 2014 18: 18
      тут те плюс, проще говоря пошаговое-это ступеньками, а шаговое-это круг, несимметричная геометрия , прям как ПЗРК
  57. Dromac
    +1
    26 June 2014 15: 12
    Огромное спасибо, для меня очень познавательно
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    26 June 2014 22: 21
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  60. +1
    27 June 2014 05: 12
    Сначала заголовок статьи удивил-я,почему-то,был уверен,что основные "тезисы" о российских ПЗРК хорошо известны читателям.Но статья оказалась интересной-для "чайников" просто отлично!К сожалению,нет времени Подробно ознакомиться со статьёй и со всеми комментариями,а также заглянуть в справочники,но хотелось кое-что заметить (по памяти).1.Что-то я припоминаю,что в первых ПЗРК для охлаждения датчика использовался не азот,а хладоагент типа фреона.2.Почему автор называет 1й датчик(фоторезистор) инфракрасным,а 2й-оптическим?Ведь оба датчика(фоторезистора) "работают" на тепловое излучение.3."Баллон" с хладоагентом,отдельно изображенный в статье,по-моему,от "Стрелы-3".4.Предложение по статье о "Стингере"(напечатать)-неплохое. В Ираке боевики ИГИЛ захватили столь много вооружения,что часть уничтожают,чтобы досталось обратно правительственной армии.А вот денег много не бывает:надо российским спец.службам выкупить,сколько возможно,"Стингеры;птрк "ТОУ";средства цифровой радиосвязи;приборы ночного видения 5.Необходима разработка зур (например,калибра 80 мм) с дальностью до 8 км и с досягаемостью по высоте до 5 км для ЗРК "Стрелец";"ЛУЧНИК";"Джигит"(категория "Мистрель";Rbs15;)
  61. 0
    27 June 2014 06: 52
    akm8226 SU Самое главное не сказано...но, может, это и к лучшему...гостайну никто не отменял, и я не буду.

    Ну вот, в вашем комментарии я нашла ответ, на возникший у меня вопрос, как можно так подробно описывать стратегическое оружие. Теперь я спокойна.
    1. badger1974
      0
      30 June 2014 03: 48
      ты , пациент клиники психатрического оружия, для таких дур как псаки и ты есть журналы, могу перечислить их в последовательной категории лично для тебя, а гостайна заключена в действиях, вбей себе в свой идиотский лоб
  62. 0
    8 July 2014 12: 26
    Quote: goose
    The purchase price of the Stinger missile for the US Army in the mid-80s in the cheapest version for the Air Force was about $ 100. For the Allies, it was about $ 180. So we did it much cheaper.


    Бабосы, везде бабосы. Особенно это явно видно по ЗАКУПОЧНОЙ стоимости. Почему-то себестоимость у а.м.е.р.о.в всегда скромно умалчивается.
  63. 0
    11 September 2014 18: 50
    Просто и толково.
    Thank you.
  64. 0
    9 October 2014 20: 59
    Статья хорошая особенно та часть где улетела та фигня за 35 тысяч евро

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