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Discussion of the new symbol "Army of Russia" (poll)

427

Attitude to the new symbol of the Russian army

I like the new symbol - 922 (10.82%)
10.82%
No need to change anything, leave the old - 4872 (57.18%)
57.18%
The character is unsuccessful, another is needed - 2622 (30.77%)
30.77%
I don't care - 95 (1.12%)
1.12%
On the petition platform in RuNet Appeared to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. This appeal proposes to suspend the adoption of the symbol "Army of Russia", which was created by the design bureau, controlled by the country's main defense department. For official consideration of this petition by state authorities it is necessary that it (the petition) gained at least 100 thousands of votes on the site. For the time being, these figures are more than modest - less than 1% of the required number of signatories advocate for the suspension of the “commissioning” of a new army badge. The main reason is that very few people know about such an initiative.
It is necessary to touch the new sign "Army of Russia" in more detail. "Design Bureau", which was engaged in the creation of a new sign, presented it in the following form:

This is a classic pentacle, which crosses a confident horizontal line, emphasizing stability, support and dignity.

When forming the image of the future mark, designers carefully treated the traditions and form of the Russian army, taking as a basis the five-pointed star, which for 3 thousands of years was perceived as a symbol of protection and security. The sign "Army of Russia" means moving forward and striving for new goals. The five-pointed star is strongly associated with the traditions and victories of the Russian army. This sign is respected and honored by both the older generation and young people.


Discussion of the new symbol "Army of Russia" (poll)


The five-pointed star and the presence of the colors of the Russian flag on it - everything seems to be correct, aimed at displaying traditions and state symbols, but still it is alarming in this new symbol. As soon as a new sign appeared during the parade on Red Square on May 9, many of those present and watching the event via television noted that the state authorities are again trying to borrow the theme for symbolism from abroad.

Why again? - Recalling the borrowing of Peter I of the Russian tricolor from the Dutch. But if Peter changed at least the arrangement of colors, then the designers of the “Army of Russia” badge decided to return everything to normal — the arrangement of colors is exactly the same as on the flag of the Netherlands. If you look at the saturation (or rather, the desaturation) in blue, the symbol rather resembles the flag of Luxembourg, which, by the way, was also “born” not without the participation of the Dutch.



Interestingly, even in Luxembourg, judging by the latest polls from RTL Radio Luxembourg, 90% of the country's population are in favor of changing the national flag so that the flags of the Netherlands and VGL (Grand Duchy of Luxembourg) are not confused.

The authors of the petition on the indicated (as a link) site of color and their order were reminded by the symbol “Pepsi”, which in itself looks ambiguous for the Russian army, because here the term “Pepsi generation” “pops up”, which is hardly possible to match with patriotism and readiness at any moment to stand up for your Fatherland.



Those who posted the petition offer their own version of the army symbol.



Of course, you can think about the fact that all speculations today look like a derivative of literalism, and that opponents of any character will always be there, but ... The main question that arises when considering the attempt to create the next draft of a new character for the Russian army is not even in what order will be arranged by the selected colors. He is, and why do you need to make this garden? History Russia is so rich that the desire to invent another version of symbolism looks more like a business project. Perhaps this is primarily a business project? After all, on the website of the main defense department appeared information that the new symbol "Army of Russia" is already actively used in the manufacture of souvenirs. That is, the symbol itself did not have time to officially become a symbol, but the souvenir products with its image have already been released and distributed, the equipment on the main square of the country passed on the Great Victory Day, the state TV and radio company Zvezda also changed the symbolism.

Last Saturday, a presentation of this sign took place at the Alabino training ground. The presence of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, led by Sergei Shoigu, at this presentation demonstrates that for the ministry, the adoption of a new symbol has become a good thing.



The next draft of the “Russian Army” badge is not the first version of the new symbolism. The previous versions, many of which clearly resembled something from the US Army graphic, did not receive recognition either among Russian servicemen or among the public.



Whether the new graphic brainchild from the Design Bureau will be tenacious and whether it will cause support is a big question, given the peculiarities of what was revealed at the last presentation. An even bigger question: can this sign replace the legendary red star?
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  1. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 23 June 2014 09: 45
    +21
    Netherlands.
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 23 June 2014 09: 51
      +107
      Nothing!!! time will tell, the anthem is back! and the star will be returned!
      1. armageddon
        armageddon 23 June 2014 10: 05
        +20
        Hmm ... I agree with you ... True triumph !!!
        1. matross
          matross 23 June 2014 10: 27
          +6
          Quote: Armagedon
          Huh

          Got a sniff already! What is the truth, that on the topic, like-dislike? Zero full!
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            1. MORDVIN13rus
              MORDVIN13rus 23 June 2014 13: 14
              +40
              And why didn’t the red star please you, the Two-headed Eagle, is a symbol of the state, and the star is the symbol of its sun !!! And do not interfere with everything in a heap
              1. Lyubteh
                Lyubteh 24 June 2014 13: 38
                +1
                And I would generally suggest returning to the ancient symbols reigning in Russia long before the stars, as long as the five-star star is not good. I propose to return to the bright solar symbols, to say, solariums. Although I like the shield too. And Oleg nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople.
                1. Zhekson
                  Zhekson 24 June 2014 18: 21
                  0
                  these stars have already taken Israel and criminals. Not okay
                  1. avg
                    avg 24 June 2014 20: 57
                    -7
                    All those who continue to be bothered by Honduras were given a universal answer many years ago - they need to be scratched less.
                  2. dervis 65
                    dervis 65 25 June 2014 12: 25
                    -1
                    Moron at Israel is a six-pointed star of David and she is blue. And she is more years old than the stars of the country of advice.
                    1. Dmitry Toderes
                      Dmitry Toderes 26 June 2014 01: 16
                      +2
                      Are you not against the next new symbol of the Russian army? Joke. bully
                      1. yurgis68
                        yurgis68 11 July 2014 22: 26
                        0
                        Somewhere I already saw it winked . Well yes!, Of course, passed in vocational schools for electrical engineering lol
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 24 July 2015 05: 54
                        0
                        Star of David.
                  3. dervis 65
                    dervis 65 25 June 2014 12: 25
                    -2
                    Moron at Israel is a six-pointed star of David and she is blue. And she is more years old than the stars of the country of advice.
                2. Basarev
                  Basarev 24 June 2014 22: 40
                  +11
                  I am a supporter of Soviet symbols - the legendary red star: it is a symbol of the great Victory. Yes, and the flag should be changed, getting rid of the Dutch-Luxembourgish banners. Let's get back to the original Russian red colors.
                  1. WILLIGUT
                    WILLIGUT 24 June 2014 23: 47
                    0
                    truly so WHAT A SYMBOL IS SUCH A COUNTRY
                  2. Dmitry Toderes
                    Dmitry Toderes 26 June 2014 01: 53
                    +3
                    Yah you! But I don’t like everything only red! It would be better then the Black-Yellow-White flag - and then as an option is much better. White color is a symbol of purity. Enough about Holland. Does speaking about tricolor - white-blue-red someone recalls about Holland? Everyone knows - this is Russia.

                    IMHO. The flag of the USSR is similar to the flag of Turkey. Just expressed his opinion. Do you like red colors? - Well, they are in our flag.
                    1. yurgis68
                      yurgis68 11 July 2014 22: 47
                      +1
                      So what did the Turks take Berlin !? am A symbol for that and a symbol that symbolizes an idea, our fathers and grandfathers gave their blood and lives for this idea, they raised a country from ruins! We were respected and reckoned with us! And the tricolor is a symbol of our HOMELAND, we must bend and stand our ground, there will be honor and respect! Crimea is a confirmation of this, as people rejoiced, this does not need to be ashamed, proud and believe!
                3. Dmitry Toderes
                  Dmitry Toderes 26 June 2014 01: 13
                  +3
                  Pravoseki now use the symbol of the solarium. They completely subjugated Slavic symbols - first German fascists, then these.
              2. Svetlik
                Svetlik 7 July 2014 16: 41
                +2
                FIVE-POINT STAR is an international satanic occult sign. Better is the Orthodox cross-weapon of the world, an invincible victory. (Andreevsky flag returned to our fleet.)
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              1. nvv
                nvv 23 June 2014 14: 10
                +1
                Note ! IN THE FIRST SECONDS YOU WILL SEE ITTHOSE!
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                1. northern
                  northern 23 June 2014 15: 02
                  +3
                  he did not study well at school, they don’t teach counting in geyrop, only tolerance
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                3. nvv
                  nvv 23 June 2014 16: 25
                  0
                  Quote: MORDVIN13rus
                  My dear, I ask you to enlighten me, otherwise I wondered, since when did the 5th final star become a Jewish symbol?

                  He wanted to answer, but they threw me out of here. Another time somewhere in the future somehow another time sometime later.
                  1. MORDVIN13rus
                    MORDVIN13rus 23 June 2014 19: 31
                    +3
                    I was thrown out of here, I had no time, I’m at work, etc., the familiar answers, if there is no well-reasoned evidence base before writing something, please at least study the subject of the statement, and not write nonsense
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                    1. Lyubteh
                      Lyubteh 24 June 2014 14: 00
                      +2
                      1) Satanael (Shtanail, Shaitan, Satan, Lucifer, Adanai, Yove, Jehovah, Yahweh, Lord God, Set) - the ruler of the dark Lands of the Navi World (the planets of the World of Darkness, i.e. 10000 planets that followed the technocratic path of development) ... The Latins called him Lucifer, which means "morning star" or "bearer of light". Lucifer was typified by the "light of the Cyphers." In Kabbalah, there is the concept of Tsifiroth - ten Worlds united into one system, which is ruled by Lucifer (Sataniel). The parent of Sataniel was one of the Elohim (Elohim - "Gods" from Hebrew), who was called the "God of the seven heavens" (later they began to call him "the God of the seventh heaven"). Dark hierarchy or a few words about the "Devil"

                      2) Samael (Shmael, Ialdabaof, Saklyas, the Devil, he was also called Seth, like Satanail) - the prince of the air and the angel of the court (modern bailiff) in the dark Worlds of Navi.
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                  3. Lyubteh
                    Lyubteh 24 June 2014 14: 01
                    -2
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                    1) Satanael (Shtanail, Shaitan, Satan, Lucifer, Adanai, Yove, Jehovah, Yahweh, Lord God, Set) - the ruler of the dark Lands of the Navi World (the planets of the World of Darkness, i.e. 10000 planets that followed the technocratic path of development) ... The Latins called him Lucifer, which means "morning star" or "bearer of light". Lucifer was typified by the "light of the Cyphers." In Kabbalah, there is the concept of Tsifiroth - ten Worlds united into one system, which is ruled by Lucifer (Sataniel). The parent of Sataniel was one of the Elohim (Elohim - "Gods" from Hebrew), who was called the "God of the seven heavens" (later they began to call him "the God of the seventh heaven"). Dark hierarchy or a few words about the "Devil"

                    2) Samael (Shmael, Ialdabaof, Saklyas, the Devil, he was also called Seth, like Satanail) - the prince of the air and the angel of the court (modern bailiff) in the dark Worlds of Navi.
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                    2. Pavel Cherniga
                      Pavel Cherniga 25 June 2014 16: 15
                      +5
                      Don’t confuse symbolism, if you don’t know don’t say, the symbol of Satan is the sign of the goat (5 inverted end star) and the 5 end star in the normal position (pentogram) is a symbol of man
            3. northern
              northern 23 June 2014 15: 01
              -1
              gay man, exhale.
              1. European
                European 24 June 2014 10: 52
                -6
                son! you will exhale faster! I thought only the Ukrainians on their sites are rude, it turns out you, too, have not gone far.
                1. northern
                  northern 25 June 2014 01: 38
                  -3
                  Not really you, older, uncomfortable on a Russian site? itchy?
                  1. European
                    European 25 June 2014 07: 55
                    -2
                    I'm among other things Russian! you are just not ham!
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            5. ultra
              ultra 23 June 2014 15: 02
              -3
              Nick is a European, but such an anti-Semite! Not good, sir. No.
              1. northern
                northern 23 June 2014 15: 03
                -5
                he has an Estonian flag, and they guys are not fast, while they are working out, what's what :-)
                1. MORDVIN13rus
                  MORDVIN13rus 23 June 2014 15: 12
                  -1
                  Well eeeessststttoooontsaaammmm ash tree stump, red star, like a red rag to the bull, only the opposite effect, if the bull grows wild, they turn white, they start to faint, the smell is unpleasant, and they start to yell, Angry Russians want to capture us !!! laughing
                  1. northern
                    northern 23 June 2014 15: 53
                    -3
                    Cthulhu has long been wailing them
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                  3. Coltxnumx
                    Coltxnumx 23 June 2014 16: 39
                    0
                    And she's messing up !! ер юта ля с с с--ок ок ок!!!!!!!! Svesda in Popp is still sverbet.
                    1. European
                      European 24 June 2014 15: 03
                      0
                      I would not like to be like you! therefore I will not say anything. I did the weak, rudeness! you’re a warrior.
                    2. European
                      European 24 June 2014 20: 53
                      -5
                      do you have problems with homosexuality? personally, I don’t even write hints of gay orientation! do you have problems with priests? you don’t have enough there in Russia ..and? I think people of your circle, possibly yours, are teeming with you on stage, politics and cinema there!
                  4. European
                    European 24 June 2014 10: 58
                    -2
                    I am 44g, I grew up in the USSR, so I am loyal to the stars. It’s just that in my personal opinion the star is not suitable for Russia. Swastika is an old Russian symbol of the sun. In my opinion. p / s and in the east, too, the swastika was held in high esteem.
                    1. Lyubteh
                      Lyubteh 24 June 2014 20: 02
                      -2
                      I fully support
                    2. northern
                      northern 25 June 2014 21: 32
                      -4
                      Do you call yourself a Russian? so look in your profile.

                      European (1)
                      Full Name: Forest Brother

                      are you from these or what?
                      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_brothers_(1940-1957)
                      1. European
                        European 26 June 2014 06: 29
                        -1
                        rattles on sites do not talk about personal views! if I wrote Count Dracula, what do I thirst for blood at night ?! And you shouldn’t scribble me a wikipedia here! full of articles about the work of the NKVD can be found! Or do you think it was so necessary to get in those times ??? my grandmother told me how in 47g in Lithuania everyone hated the NKVD forest, gangs of Poles! so, would it be PARTISAN written in your profile would you shake my hand? but in another it’s the enemy right away?
                      2. northern
                        northern 26 June 2014 10: 03
                        -1
                        yes you are no one to me at all
                      3. European
                        European 26 June 2014 14: 06
                        -2
                        mutually!.....
                      4. northern
                        northern 26 June 2014 15: 23
                        -1
                        rattle man ... well for broccoli in your head?
                      5. Cynic
                        Cynic 27 June 2014 12: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: European
                        rattles on sites do not talk about personal views!

                        Is it really so?
                        Then why such a sharp reaction ?!
                        Have you touched a patient? NOT YOUR EUROPEAN?
                        Quote: European
                        so, it would be written in the profile

                        The more pathos a person speaks, the lower his goal.
                      6. European
                        European 26 June 2014 06: 32
                        -2
                        It should be noted that in Lithuania the term “forest brothers” was never used either by the Lithuanian partisans themselves. again you pierced the guy !!!!!! I threw off the article and didn’t have enough to read it !!! Oh, you barefoot!
                  5. European
                    European 24 June 2014 15: 01
                    -1
                    Color blind bulls! they are annoyed by the sweep of a rag and the movement of the bullfighter! and even blue, even yellow they do not care !!!! This is for you a note of the 13th Mordvin!
                2. European
                  European 24 June 2014 10: 55
                  +1
                  I have an Estonian flag, so I’ll explain it to you on an armored train! shows the IP of the country in which I am! and if I were an Estonian, I would not write in Russian correctly. incl. logic boy.
                  1. northern
                    northern 25 June 2014 01: 42
                    -1
                    Do you slow down slowly, do you get personal? Yes, this happens to those whose arguments are exhausting. By the way, I'll be older than you if you are 44. So dry it.
                  2. Cynic
                    Cynic 27 June 2014 12: 24
                    0
                    Quote: European
                    I would be an Estonian, I would not write in Russian correctly

                    Hmm, obviously you are not a European _ national humiliation.
                    wink
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            7. pilot8878
              pilot8878 23 June 2014 16: 35
              0
              Let the Polish cockerels crow in the chicken coop
            8. Avalon
              Avalon 23 June 2014 17: 55
              0
              I always thought that the star of David is six-pointed ...
            9. Apollo
              Apollo 23 June 2014 18: 37
              +5
              Quote: European
              again....................deleted by moderator Apollo pentagram!!!!! Why is the star bustling again? eagles and that's it!

              You shouldn’t be minus but delete your comment. As other moderators didn’t pay attention. winked Moreover, a warning to you from me for breaking the rules.
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        2. Predator
          Predator 23 June 2014 10: 46
          +42
          What is the truth?! About the fact that the old and tried-and-tested character is better?! So then, no doubt, you don’t need to touch it. Let it be better to indulge and underwear with underwear, it’s not visible under the uniform!
          1. 222222
            222222 23 June 2014 12: 23
            +33
            “Star, I am Earth. Answer the earth. Reception .... STAR, STAR, I AM THE EARTH, ANSWER THE EARTH ..... "
            The Red Star is a symbol of the Victory of the Soviet People in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945 ..
          2. psg72
            psg72 23 June 2014 12: 24
            +12
            Not a thong in the army is not necessary.
          3. GDP
            GDP 23 June 2014 12: 40
            +38
            Nothing more to do, except to change the symbolism!
            How did the old star not please them? She at least has a legendary past ...
            Drive these parasites-designers from the army ...
            The best symbolism is that - under which blood is spilled and victories are won!
            1. s1н7т
              s1н7т 23 June 2014 15: 31
              +11
              Quote: GDP
              Drive these parasites-designers from the army ...

              What have designers got to do with it? They just left the star, but to change the color is the order of the builder / rescuer / military officer Shoigu. Everything that is Soviet is being consistently etched out in the army - this is really "reform"! And it is not some designers who promote it, but Putin's "team" by the hands of Shoigu. Or did the designers come up with everything? laughing
            2. Ptah
              Ptah 23 June 2014 19: 41
              +24
              Quote: GDP
              The best symbolism is that - under which blood is spilled and victories are won!

              You can’t argue here! good Is it not at this moment that the spears break.
              So how to unite the pagan symbols and bunchuks of "pre-baptismal Rus", the face of Christ on the banners of the Donskoy and Nevsky regiments, "eight-pointed" (Orthodox) crosses at the Minin and Pozharsky squads, double-headed eagles and a red star?

              My opinion. Take as a basis a shield, on it a stylized eagle and star.
              1. Chukcha
                Chukcha 24 June 2014 11: 02
                +2
                I support. If a chevron is placed at the bottom of the shield (at a white angle) (or painted in the colors of the Russian flag, it might be better.
              2. sds
                sds 24 June 2014 13: 18
                +2
                I like. It seems, in the spirit of the Civil. And as a common symbol - something based on the extreme right (Motorized Rifle).
              3. boboss
                boboss 24 June 2014 18: 38
                +2
                Not bad ... but no one will hear you .. and no one has announced a contest - this is wrong
              4. ibnvladimir
                ibnvladimir 24 June 2014 21: 17
                +1
                The idea is good, there is an opportunity to designate anything, and for a chevron can pass. I want to say that it is very universal. The white edging is controversial, preferably gold or silver, not so easily soiled, although the edging can be different for everyone.
                Reminds a story with a ruble sign. Initially, the letter P with a dot was assumed. common sense won when everyone simply ignored the government. One of the co-authors of the ruble sign spoke out: http: //www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/business-lynch/2014/06/23/
              5. Buzzard
                Buzzard 25 June 2014 09: 31
                +2
                Well nitsche so, more army.
                But I am for a more modern styling. Now about the new symbolism. For example, this is from a comp game. Field Chevron. The eagle is an imperial symbol, to finish off the 2nd head, the same star is the Soviet symbol, and the shield is visible. And rectangular, easier to manufacture smile
                The color scheme is the color of a lump, you can still screw the symbol of the kind of troops in the same style. As for me, stylishly concise, but in the western.
                But in general, a star than objectionable. what Soviet symbols are the most relevant, seriously.
              6. gunya
                gunya 25 June 2014 13: 13
                +4
                There is an opinion that the brighter and more colorful the form and symbols, the weaker the army.
                Do not forget that all changes in form and attributes are primarily a lot of money. So it’s better to spend on extra training than on unnecessary decoration.
              7. gunya
                gunya 25 June 2014 13: 13
                0
                There is an opinion that the brighter and more colorful the form and symbols, the weaker the army.
                Do not forget that all changes in form and attributes are primarily a lot of money. So it’s better to spend on extra training than on unnecessary decoration.
            3. raf
              raf 23 June 2014 20: 20
              0
              I absolutely agree with everything except the neck. A kick in the ass, just like that !!! hi
        3. Max otto
          Max otto 23 June 2014 10: 51
          +17
          ... which crosses confident horizontalemphasizing stability ...

          This expression reminded me of another - "... fell with a swift jack ..." from a famous work.
          1. Arbatov
            Arbatov 23 June 2014 11: 02
            +32
            They crossed out the battle star with their "white ribbon".
            1. Altona
              Altona 23 June 2014 11: 41
              +8
              Quote: Arbatov
              They crossed out the battle star with their "white ribbon".

              --------------------
              They didn’t even cross out ... It looks like an inscribed white silhouette with hands spread out on both sides ... Well, here I am so inept (miserable, unlucky, etc.) ...
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 23 June 2014 11: 58
            0
            Quote: Max Otto
            - "... fell with a swift jack ..."

            It's five ! fellow
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          4. ispaniard
            ispaniard 23 June 2014 13: 44
            +54
            I will add my "Five kopecks" being a historian of my first higher education, I was already spitting up when I looked at the monument to Peter 1 in the center of Moscow (standing on the defeated ships of the Russian fleet ...) "Thank you" Tseritelli am Now history repeats itself, as if neither history nor events teach anything sad Kuzhugetovich come to your senses! "Captain America from Luxembourg" on the chevrons and sides of the Russian army is just disgusting angry ! There are alternatives, a drop-shaped shield presented with a star presented in the article above or a star that in the application in the picture (Yes, it refers to the Russian Air Force), I think it deserves to be a symbol of the entire Russian army. When I look at her, I always remember the legendary tsarist army with its tricolor (the picture of Nesterov with the noble tricolor on the wings rams the Austrian baron forever from childhood has always been a memory) and the mighty red army with its red star. P.S. Flying around the country, let's stop doing x ... with the clock, militia / police, don’t smoke in a cafe ... And we’ll do real work without breaking what was tolerably done to you in this country.
            1. The Art of War
              The Art of War 23 June 2014 13: 53
              +4
              Thanks for the photo symbol is what you need!
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            3. 97110
              97110 23 June 2014 14: 27
              +1
              Quote: ispaniard
              And let’s get down to real work without breaking what was tolerably done to you in this country.
              Namely, the ROA flag over the country, the payment from the budget of training in Cambridges - why not break it yet.
              1. EwgenyZ
                EwgenyZ 23 June 2014 15: 50
                +4
                Quote: 97110
                ROA flag over the country

                This is not the ROA flag (!), This is the Flag of Russia, and no less legendary than the Red one with a hammer and sickle. Respect the entire history of Your Homeland, not just any part of it. And the fact that the traitors made him their symbol is not the flag's fault, but his misfortune. Vaughn Bandera also speak Russian well, so now we will "smear" the Russian language?
                1. albolo
                  albolo 25 June 2014 23: 52
                  +1
                  You see, Eugene, for example, is a symbol now called SWASTIKA. He is much more ancient than tricolor! And this swastika was used by so many tribes and peoples several thousand years ago. But at the beginning of the 20th century for some 12 years (funny for history) the Nazis of Nazi Germany took this symbol. Only for 12 years !!!!
                  But you will not find anywhere in the civilized world now the use of a swastika. Although, again, for example, many ancient Orthodox icons are decorated with this symbol. For any person on earth, the swastika is now a symbol of Nazism. The same thing happened with tricolor. Sorry for the comparison, but if someone used your favorite cup several times, like a night pot, you are unlikely to drink tea from it onward! Although, it would seem, which is easier, wash with soap and everything is in order. I don’t know about you, but I won’t leave such a cup in the house, I’ll throw it away. They are defiled. That tricolor, alas, is defiled! And in the Russian Empire was a completely different imperial flag, a different color! Well, at least they took him, since I didn’t like it that way (I don’t understand why) The Red Banner! And the red banner is the oldest banner of the ancient Russian principalities, and especially of Moscow. Remember at least the current Moscow flag and coat of arms!
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 26 June 2014 02: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: albolo
                    you will not find anywhere in the civilized world now the use of a swastika

                    Quote: albolo
                    For any person on earth, the swastika is now a symbol of Nazism
                    Quite right. And as in any rule, there are exceptions. For example, the Finnish Air Force ... "Shutskor" negative on the topic of the article: did the red star bother you? Are you guys in vain ...
            4. Coltxnumx
              Coltxnumx 23 June 2014 16: 46
              +2
              Bravo!! I support, you can’t imagine a better idea.
            5. s1н7т
              s1н7т 23 June 2014 17: 56
              +2
              Quote: ispaniard
              There are alternatives

              At right now, you simply declare an alternative to the red star, are you our associate of the "reformers" of the country and the army? Kapets, the Russian Federation spawned moral freaks! There is no alternative to her, no!
              1. ispaniard
                ispaniard 23 June 2014 18: 03
                +2
                First Lieutenant General do not swear, this is prohibited by the rules of the site, and you are not painted. Moreover, thank you, God and I are not on the Maidan in order to express our opinion to our opponents in this way. And in your opinion, to the picture I presented, I will say- Look carefully at the symbol I presented, the RED STAR is there, in the edging of the Russian tricolor this is the unity of Tsarist Russia, the USSR and the Russian Federation.
                1. s1н7т
                  s1н7т 23 June 2014 23: 28
                  +5
                  Okay, comrade general of the army, I apologize for the excessive emotions! But - the red star should be just red, without all these "Tsarist Russians" and other stuff. It's just a red star. What does Russian tsarism have to do with it? What does the Russian Federation have to do with it? This is the emblem of the most powerful and invincible army, no need to touch it! I would venture to say - Away from my dirty hands, fucking reformers, from the symbols of the victories of the people's army of the Red Army!
                  "Sleep of reason gives rise to monsters" - this is about our time.
                  But the heroic history of the Russian army for the entire time of its existence cannot be expounded by spoiling the RKKA-SA symbol. Let her teach at high schools.
                  And the Russian army has not yet earned any differences in comparison with the SA.
                  Do not touch the sacred, (it was written, ready to replace the villains)!
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 24 June 2014 16: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: c1n7
                    Okay, comrade general of the army, I apologize for the excessive emotions! But - the red star should be just red, without all these "Tsarist Russians" and other stuff. It's just a red star. What does Russian tsarism have to do with it? What does the Russian Federation have to do with it? This is the emblem of the most powerful and invincible army, no need to touch it! I would venture to say - Away from my dirty hands, fucking reformers, from the symbols of the victories of the people's army of the Red Army!
                    "Sleep of reason gives rise to monsters" - this is about our time.
                    But the heroic history of the Russian army for the entire time of its existence cannot be expounded by spoiling the RKKA-SA symbol. Let her teach at high schools.
                    And the Russian army has not yet earned any differences in comparison with the SA.
                    Do not touch the sacred, (it was written, ready to replace the villains)!

                    Do you think it is necessary to throw out and forget the history of Russia until 17? The red star is a sacred one for those who still "stayed in the USSR". And for me personally, the symbolism up to 17 is close and I see nothing wrong with combining the past and the present in a star. and the future. It's time to come to terms with the history of our homeland and stop dividing into before 17 and after. This is one of the steps and quite literate.
                    1. albolo
                      albolo 26 June 2014 00: 28
                      0
                      You are absolutely correct in saying that we must stop dividing until 1917 .. before 1991 ... We have all this the history of one country - Russia. But at the same time, you yourself immediately bring discord. What did the red star not please you ??? How is it defiled? Betrayal? Treason? Defeat? No!!! Why change it. And here, meanwhile, unfortunately (!!!) the tricolor of the Russian Empire is defiled by the use of the tricolor by the Vlasovites. You do not suggest using a swastika. not the Nazis invented. but defiled by them. And the Russians have a red color even from Kievan Rus, both in high esteem and on banners. Once again, I propose to see, for example. on the CURRENT flag and coat of arms of Moscow. They are red!
                      1. Vend
                        Vend 30 June 2014 18: 48
                        0
                        Quote: albolo
                        But at the same time, you yourself immediately bring discord. What did the red star not please you ??? How is it defiled? Betrayal? Treason? Defeat? Not!!! Why change it.

                        No, I do not bring discord. Read my comment. I answered the opponent, expressing my opinion. And then he called on to stop sharing the history of Russia. In general, I calmly relate to symbols, I am no longer liable for military service, so it’s not for me to wear this symbol on a helmet or a beret. And the symbol proposed by ispaniard, I liked. There is a red star and a tricolor. If you look at history, then the brightest representatives of the times, the star is a product of the Soviet era, until the 17 of the year there were St. George's crosses, and even earlier a fur coat from the royal shoulder. So now the president should give out suits instead of awards. Time is changing, people are changing, it’s not worth hanging.
                2. Basarev
                  Basarev 24 June 2014 22: 54
                  +1
                  However, one should not forget the ancient Russia. The legendary victories were won by the Russians, but their incredible feats for the glory of the Motherland are now undeservedly forgotten in symbolism.
                3. Buzzard
                  Buzzard 25 June 2014 09: 51
                  +2
                  The star is yes. But still, change the geometry, get away from the pentagram.
                4. gunya
                  gunya 25 June 2014 13: 25
                  0
                  We are talking about traditions, constancy, and making changes - it’s not clear somehow. How, under Grechko, a number of buttons were sewn to an old reliable overcoat - for what? The soldier’s overcoat is not in vain on hooks - they are less likely to catch and the buttons do not shine.
                  And the star of the Great Victory is the race leading forward and it does not need either pointed rays in the US manner or multicolored edging. Remember better under what star your grandfathers, fathers, and they themselves served.
                5. gunya
                  gunya 25 June 2014 13: 25
                  0
                  We are talking about traditions, constancy, and making changes - it’s not clear somehow. How, under Grechko, a number of buttons were sewn to an old reliable overcoat - for what? The soldier’s overcoat is not in vain on hooks - they are less likely to catch and the buttons do not shine.
                  And the star of the Great Victory is the race leading forward and it does not need either pointed rays in the US manner or multicolored edging. Remember better under what star your grandfathers, fathers, and they themselves served.
            6. Styx
              Styx 23 June 2014 21: 11
              0
              here’s how this one is :)
            7. Basarev
              Basarev 24 June 2014 22: 49
              0
              I really liked the star, which is in the commentary above ... But only in equal parts of the area to place the colors of the tricolor will be perfect.
            8. albolo
              albolo 25 June 2014 23: 39
              -1
              When I look at her I always remember the legendary tsarist army with its tricolor
              ---------------------------------------
              And when I look at the tricolor, I remember one of the most significant days in the history of Russia of the 20th century! Red Square, June 24, 1945 Victory Parade! And shots come before my eyes, when almost at the end of the parade, everything calmed down and only under the drumming did the NKVD soldiers enter the square, carrying the banners and standards of the defeated Nazi Germany and its satellites. And among these defeated bowed banners is the tricolor of the Vlasov ROA! They drag the tricolor across the square, trample it and throw it at the foot of the Mausoleum, on which are the Marshals of the Soviet Union, famous in the battles for the Homeland - the Marshals of Victory led by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Generalissim Stalin! And the defeated banners were not thrown onto the paving stones of the square, so as not to trash the Russian soil, they were thrown onto a special wooden platform. And then the platform on which the Nazi flags were thrown and the Vlasov tricolor was gathered, gloves were collected from the soldiers (and without gloves the soldiers refused to pick up the fascist banners and tricolor), they were taken outside Moscow and burned! That's what I constantly remember when I look at the tricolor. I am a law-abiding citizen of Russia and am forced to recognize the tricolor as the state flag of the Russian Federation. But at heart, alas ...
              And the red color is not at all the color of the Bolshevik Communists, or rather, not only their color. Crane banners were the banners of the Grand Duchy of Moscow!
          5. northern
            northern 23 June 2014 15: 55
            +3
            in addition to this, there is also a "metal oscilloscope arrow"
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        4. edge
          edge 23 June 2014 15: 59
          +1
          as far as I understand, the Chinas took the red star ..... the yellow one is in Vietnam, the white one among Amers. China can’t come up with anything, just steal and replicate (and someone will talk about the invention of gunpowder by the Chinese?
      2. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 23 June 2014 10: 28
        +27
        Nothing!!! time will tell, the anthem is back! and the star will be returned!

        Why return? It's easier NOT to innovate. Millions of people are satisfied with the Red Star. Who doesn’t like it - those for cutting onions (yes more!), You look, it clears up in the brains.
        1. Rostovchanin
          Rostovchanin 23 June 2014 10: 31
          +7
          Why return? It's easier NOT to innovate. Millions of people are satisfied with the Red Star. Who doesn’t like it - those for cutting onions (yes more!), You look, it clears up in the brains.

          Yes, I think that they just will not ask us, everything is decided without us
          1. s1н7т
            s1н7т 23 June 2014 23: 48
            0
            and YOU signed "against" or so, just to be noted? When I signed up, it was only 2161.
        2. matross
          matross 23 June 2014 10: 34
          -4
          Shoigu is generally greedy for external paraphernalia. One new everyday worth.
          By symbol: I voted for "I don't care". This, in my opinion, is unimportant. The symbol is controversial, but it is impossible to say that it is completely bad. So it won't affect the combat effectiveness and general perception. In short - a storm in a glass of water.
          1. liark
            liark 23 June 2014 10: 40
            +24
            the symbol is very bad, as a symbol of protection and integrity. This can be printed on a T-shirt for a girl, let him rejoice, but not as a symbol of a big and too tidbit for the enemies of the earth
            1. WInovikov
              WInovikov 23 June 2014 12: 42
              +8
              I agree completely with you. This symbol should be printed on the T-shirts of the wives of Shoigu, Serdyukov and Medvedev, and for the army to leave the Red Star. It is more familiar to residents of Russia and more understandable.
              1. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 23 June 2014 13: 54
                +10
                ... leave the Red Star. It is more familiar to residents of Russia and more understandable.

                The main thing is dearer!
                1. raf
                  raf 23 June 2014 20: 26
                  +1
                  Absolutely and absolutely true !!!!! hi
              2. raf
                raf 23 June 2014 20: 25
                0
                That's right !!!!!
            2. 1812 1945
              1812 1945 23 June 2014 12: 50
              +9
              Quote: liark
              the symbol is very bad, as a symbol of protection and integrity. This can be printed on a T-shirt for a girl, let him rejoice, but not as a symbol of a big and too tidbit for the enemies of the earth

              Right. But Russian Military Glory did not begin in Soviet times. Eagles, crosses, shields ... I am not the heraldmeister, whose job is to take care of the legitimacy of the symbols, their compliance with the mentality of the nation, military traditions, the National Idea, finally! But I believe that the National Idea should also reflect the aspirations of the people to restore the state within the borders of courage and blood, the wisdom and generosity of the Russian People by the beginning of the XNUMXth century, and the military emblems should contain Russian traditional military symbols, indicating the feats of arms of many centuries, and nor Zhidogollandsky!
              1. rereture
                rereture 23 June 2014 13: 26
                +1
                erno. But Russian Military Glory did not begin in Soviet times. Eagles, crosses, shields ... I am not the heraldmeister, whose job is to take care of the legitimacy of the symbols, their compliance with the mentality of the nation, military traditions, the National Idea, finally! But I believe that the National Idea should also reflect the aspirations of the people to restore the state within the borders of courage and blood, the wisdom and generosity of the Russian People by the beginning of the XNUMXth century, and the military emblems should contain Russian traditional military symbols, indicating the feats of arms of many centuries, and nor Zhidogollandsky!



                He said everything correctly.
          2. liark
            liark 23 June 2014 10: 40
            +2
            the symbol is very bad, as a symbol of protection and integrity. This can be printed on a T-shirt for a girl, let him rejoice, but not as a symbol of a big and too tidbit for the enemies of the earth
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 23 June 2014 11: 46
              +47
              Quote: liark
              the symbol is very bad, as a symbol of protection and integrity.


              That's right ... A fragmented symbol cannot mean a coherent structure. The police were renamed the police, now the Red Star - the Victory symbol has been replaced with the brand of the American supermarket Mall of America. I would have used a pin ... an owl sued the dolbyotyatl from the Moscow Region for plagiarism, but this is unlikely to happen because in Washington they will only be glad for such a symbol ... Now, the Victory Banner remains to be replaced ....
              The Red Star is the symbol that united our People and the Army in Victory in the Great Patriotic War. Become inextricably linked to this Victory.
              There is a petition where signatures are collected for the abolition of this "symbol"
              Return the Red Star to the Army
          3. Sid.74
            Sid.74 23 June 2014 11: 35
            +4
            Quote: matRoss
            By symbol: I voted for "I don't care". This, in my opinion, is unimportant. The symbol is controversial, but it is impossible to say that it is completely bad. So it won't affect the combat effectiveness and general perception. In short - a storm in a glass of water.

            I think that for some kind of aviation wing, a pretty good star with a bird inside will not work for the army as a whole! Either leave the old star or beat the heraldry of older times with a two-headed eagle! Or George the Victorious!

            1. matross
              matross 23 June 2014 12: 19
              0
              Quote: Sid.74
              Either leave the old star, or beat the heraldry of older times with a two-headed eagle! Or George the Victorious!

              The double-headed eagle and the Victorious are graphically too complex - on the technique it may still somehow, but on the uniform will be shapeless. And the red star will have something in common with the Chinese.
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 23 June 2014 12: 30
                +11
                Quote: matRoss
                The double-headed eagle and the Victorious are graphically too complex - on the technique it may still somehow, but on the uniform will be shapeless.

                Perhaps it would be worth trying the "St. George" star! The star in the colors of the St. George ribbon! Somewhere similar was, it seems, the "star" channel! Or a red star against the background of the St. George ribbon and symbolism can be traced through generations and everything familiar!

                The St. George ribbon against the background of the star should be wider!
                1. s1н7т
                  s1н7т 24 June 2014 16: 04
                  0
                  In my understanding, this is not a "St. George" tape, but a Guards tape. She still had to be earned - in the Red Army, in particular. In the USSR Armed Forces, not every banner was. And you can't mold it on everyone. Just a Red Star, that's all, calm down, damn it, push buttons!
              2. Interface
                Interface 24 June 2014 00: 13
                +3
                have something in common with the Chinese.


                This Chinese will resonate with ours, and not ours with theirs.
                Who has torn someone?
              3. Revolver
                Revolver 24 June 2014 05: 30
                +2
                Quote: matRoss
                And the red star will have something in common with the Chinese.

                The fact that the Chinese are riveting an unlicensed weapon from Kalashnikov to the Su-27 and S-300 doesn’t care, and the red stars just as unlicensed put up - so do they give them along with copyright? Nifiga, let them repaint their technique themselves and paint some thread of their own character. And if necessary, so in an international court against them for violating copyright.
              4. gunya
                gunya 25 June 2014 13: 41
                0
                Do not worry, the Chinese borrowed a star from us.
              5. gunya
                gunya 25 June 2014 13: 41
                0
                Do not worry, the Chinese borrowed a star from us.
            2. s1н7т
              s1н7т 24 June 2014 15: 58
              -2
              Quote: Sid.74
              I think that for some kind of aviation wing, a pretty good star with a bird inside will not work for the army as a whole! Either leave the old star or beat the heraldry of older times with a two-headed eagle! Or George the Victorious!

              Dope, sorry, children! What the fuck. wing?! What, nah. two-headed mutants ?! crazy and electorate EP! laughing
              And, by the way, in the early 80s, I saw birds on planes of the USSR Air Force - a white stork, for example. It was in the IBA. So "everything is stolen" up to you, reformer, damn it! And the scouts had bats on their helmets - there was such a black shadow on the white ZSH against the background of the setting sun, beautiful! You don't have to invent anything! Leave it as it was, dolboformers !!!
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 24 June 2014 23: 30
                0
                Quote: c1n7
                What, nah. two-headed mutants ?!
                fool
                Do not like the double-headed eagle? Your problems!
                Quote: c1n7
                crazy and electorate EP!

                What a joy, I did not vote for EP!
                Quote: c1n7
                And by the way, at the beginning of 80's on USSR Air Force saw birds - white stork, for example. It was in the IBA. So "everything is stolen" up to you, reformer, damn it!

                And now, see the horseradish, understand which star !!!
                Quote: c1n7
                Nothing to invent! Leave as it was, dolboformator !!!

                Hamovato, don’t you think? You say so, as if I am the author of this star! I am generally in favor of preserving the red star!
              2. gunya
                gunya 25 June 2014 13: 46
                0
                For your information, the bat appeared as an emblem in the 80s and only in the GRU, in parts the scouts wore emblems according to the type of troops.
              3. gunya
                gunya 25 June 2014 13: 46
                0
                For your information, the bat appeared as an emblem in the 80s and only in the GRU, in parts the scouts wore emblems according to the type of troops.
          4. Ujin61
            Ujin61 23 June 2014 11: 49
            +12
            The question is what? Why is it needed at all? What are the other problems in the army? I recall attempts to reform the alphabet and spelling. As they say, when a dog has nothing to do, she licks.
          5. andj61
            andj61 23 June 2014 12: 14
            +9
            Quote: matRoss
            The symbol is controversial, but to say that it is completely bad is impossible. So the combat efficiency and general perception will not be affected. In short - a storm in a glass of water.

            I did not like the symbol. The colors - their location - are not Russian. In addition, there is the legendary Red Star. Let's better leave it.
          6. s1н7т
            s1н7т 23 June 2014 23: 52
            0
            Oh how! No wonder he always considered sailors to be unreliable people.
            But a lot depends on symbolism, if, of course, you have a higher military education and you served, you should know. If shpak - my apologies for the minus.
            1. matross
              matross 24 June 2014 01: 26
              +1
              Quote: c1n7
              if, of course, you have a higher military education

              If you graduated from a military university, then you have a higher education in civilian specialty - look at the diploma. Higher military education receive officers who graduated from the academy. There are, I think, a few on the forum.
              Quote: c1n7
              If spar

              Universities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs as you are quoted? If not, the spack comes out wink
        3. Freegal
          Freegal 23 June 2014 10: 49
          +12
          Agree! And then some kind of pepsoid army is getting. Eh !!!
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        5. Egoza
          Egoza 23 June 2014 12: 06
          +18
          Quote: Kahlan Amnell
          Millions of people are satisfied with the Red Star.

          In any case, the Ukrainian media are already trumpeting "The Russian Army STEALED the sign in the American supermarket" !!! am
          But many people remember the Red Star !!! And many are afraid too !!!
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 23 June 2014 12: 28
            +11
            Quote: Egoza
            In any case, the Ukrainian media are already trumpeting "The Russian Army STEALED the sign in the American supermarket" !!!


            Elena, UkroSMI is still far from Echo, it was she who joyfully sounded about it ... In principle, you can put this symbol on our ICBMs and Strategic Missile Forces with the signature Mall for America (package for America) by analogy with Stolen from Mall of America. smile
            And for other military branches to leave the Red Star.
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 23 June 2014 19: 51
            +2
            Quote: Egoza
            Ukrainian media are already trumpeting "The Russian army STEALED the sign in the American supermarket" !!!

            Again, "kakly" lies ... If it was stolen, then from programmers / designers igruhi
            Quote: Ptah
            As soon as I saw the picture, a shortcut to the "Desktop" of the simulator "LockOn: Flaming Cliffs 2 (3)" immediately came to mind

            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock_On:_Горячие_скалы_2
      3. Papakiko
        Papakiko 23 June 2014 10: 36
        +7
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        Nothing!!! time will tell, the anthem is back! and the star will be returned!

        Quote: Armagedon
        Hmm ... I agree with you ... True triumph !!!

        All the movement around "sawing the dough".
        The easiest way to cut down from scratch.
        It does not build aircraft with ships and tanks.
        They scratched their tongues, the partists danced, and everyone had a celebration in their hearts and wallets.
        Kozhegedovich was very happy in the photo and video.
        Right now, the hype will begin and a year later the new sign will be "accepted" once again under the tank waltz, the thunder of guns and the screeching of the popartists.
      4. Freegal
        Freegal 23 June 2014 10: 41
        +6
        I wish the Emblem would be returned!
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      6. VNP1958PVN
        VNP1958PVN 23 June 2014 11: 15
        +11
        It's time to "quit" with 20-year-old throwing. Big money is spent on reforms of everything and everyone, and the result is basically one - a return to the "well-forgotten" old!
      7. understudy
        understudy 23 June 2014 16: 13
        +2
        ... and the star will be returned!

        It’s just not clear what the hell the need for it to be abolished now is swollen ???
      8. Bryanskiy_Volk
        Bryanskiy_Volk 23 June 2014 16: 40
        +1
        Who cares, please vote for the "Return the Red Star as a Symbol of Our Army" petition at www.change.org
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      9. raf
        raf 23 June 2014 19: 09
        +2
        You don’t have to return anything, it’s better to leave everything to the old, but education should be returned. Dolo merikano-liberalistic USE !!!
      10. Dormidont
        Dormidont 23 June 2014 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        Nothing!!! time will tell, the anthem is back! and the star will be returned!

        millionaires in uniform, the Red Star and the Red Flag inspire fear, and they are right to do what they fear, the story goes in a circle .. wait
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 23 June 2014 21: 36
          +1
          Quote: Dormidont
          the story goes in a circle .. wait

          In a spiral wink
          1. Dormidont
            Dormidont 23 June 2014 22: 24
            +1
            that's it in a spiral laughing
      11. ddmm09
        ddmm09 24 June 2014 05: 01
        +1
        There is no better sign than a red star in a red and white edging !!! It attracts the eye, has some kind of magical effect. It is he who is the best and should remain our symbol for centuries!
      12. Little Muck
        Little Muck 24 June 2014 11: 39
        +9
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        Nothing!!! time will tell, the anthem is back! and the star will be returned!

        With the new symbol, our Army will be like a branch of the US Postal Service. As they say find 10 differences.
        Infa from here: http://colnect.com/en/stamps/stamp/97835-Star-Star-USA
      13. gunya
        gunya 25 June 2014 12: 53
        0
        And why return, you need to leave it as it is. Unfortunately, everything is connected with money and someone is already rubbing his paws in anticipation of the next gesheft.
        I tried to vote on the site of the petition, no matter how hard I tried, it's all wrong.
        Something more simple and effective is needed.
      14. gunya
        gunya 25 June 2014 12: 54
        0
        And why return, you need to leave it as it is. Unfortunately, everything is connected with money and someone is already rubbing his paws in anticipation of the next gesheft.
        I tried to vote on the site of the petition, no matter how hard I tried, it's all wrong.
        Something more simple and effective is needed.
      15. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 25 June 2014 14: 29
        0
        the fifth column does not sleep, everyone shoves under the US standard, our strength is in our hummingbird ...
      16. CHUPAKABRA
        CHUPAKABRA 8 December 2014 22: 06
        0
        A SHAME
        RUSSIA ... RUSSIA ..... You can't look at this squalor without tears. To call a bunch of parasites, a whole "designer brown" ... is bold. The designers probably didn’t sleep enough and didn’t eat enough ... they worked tirelessly .... The salary was probably not sickly .... To call someone else's sign of a foreign state .... A NEW SIGN OF THE RUSSIAN ARMY. Well, it's just the BOTTOM-BOTTOM shameful.
    2. protopop avvakum
      protopop avvakum 23 June 2014 10: 52
      +23
      The star is torn in two by a white line, i.e. the symbol has lost its integrity or is destroyed
    3. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 23 June 2014 11: 25
      +8
      Not I said, but my opinion is the same:

      I wrote above that Victory and its symbols are the only things that somehow hold our people together. The introduction of such a crumbling new symbol, in my opinion, is not a coincidence. All this is part of a sequential plan for the final collapse of our people, our Army and our country. Many people write on the Internet that the symbol was created by nerds, or idiots. But I think that just the professionals who worked there very well understood what exactly needed to be done.


      PS By the way, how is the question of the symbolism of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation generally regulated by law? Who and on what basis makes decisions about changes in symbolism? Is this done quietly? Shouldn't issues of this magnitude be brought up at least for parliamentary discussion?


      sl-lopatnikov.livejournal.com/1029696.html
      1. nika407
        nika407 23 June 2014 12: 08
        +8
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        But I think that just the professionals who worked there very well understood what exactly needed to be done.

        Agree with you. The fear of Soviet symbolism is already enraging. On May 9, an official was pulled on the carpet because he came out with a portrait of Stalin. And who, in their opinion, was the commander in chief in this war, and why was it unreasonable to go to Victory Laziness with a portrait of the commander in chief? It’s just from the same series how to make people ashamed of their history.
    4. divangeneral
      divangeneral 23 June 2014 11: 49
      +5
      looks like a Captain America sign to be honest
    5. irina.mmm
      irina.mmm 23 June 2014 13: 17
      +4
      This is not our sign, it resembles between Pepsi, many stars of America, etc. (which can still be recalled, if you look well) is clearly not ours.
    6. Apostle
      Apostle 23 June 2014 15: 17
      0
      I want a star in the shield!
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    8. Interface
      Interface 23 June 2014 15: 27
      +24
      I will try to express a common opinion:
      Shit symbol

      This b - s "confident vertical" you pan ...
      Stability, dignity support symbolizes
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 23 June 2014 18: 31
        +2
        In the process, they tore off this brand ...
    9. galser
      galser 23 June 2014 19: 52
      +3
      Captain America. This is idiocy.
    10. comprochikos
      comprochikos 24 June 2014 10: 13
      0
      They would add a little blue to the white outline, in the color of the flag, and that’s it. Nafig here a whole codla of parasites brainstorming over this art.
    11. RUSS
      RUSS 24 June 2014 14: 51
      0
      The issue has been resolved with a new symbol, so the survey, in principle, does not solve anything, but this does not mean that it is not needed.
    12. nycsson
      nycsson 24 June 2014 18: 12
      0
      I have no words. Now they play "biathlon", then they change the badges! Nothing else to do? I almost forgot. It's money. How nice it is to master the state budget ..... wassat
    13. Zhekson
      Zhekson 24 June 2014 18: 15
      0
      why again to change something, slipping some new interpretations of reality under these replacements? Look, half of the world is wearing a uniform that resembles the shape of the USSR. Are they giving us something reminiscent of US signs? What is this for ??? Is the army a brand where there is a conditional phase of life or is it a structure for centuries?
  2. Velizariy
    Velizariy 23 June 2014 09: 46
    +38
    No words ... still would have accepted the rainbow flag ... Designers like that. called you need to whip it until the operating system is completely rebooted (you can’t call it a brain) and then in the taiga for six months learn the history and the correct symbolism of Russian soldiers, a cat. was a thousand years old ... classes at least 14 hours a week! physical preparation in the morning on backfill with sand and gravel of some kind of swamp for example!
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 23 June 2014 10: 01
      +9
      the new symbol of pockets ...
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 23 June 2014 10: 20
        +15
        All these "pictures" are reminiscent of road signs and imitation of p and d o s am!
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  3. saag
    saag 23 June 2014 09: 47
    +29
    "This is some kind of shame" (C) Shvonder
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 23 June 2014 10: 40
      +16
      it’s just the love of the new Secretary of Defense for bright things in the Latin American style. look at the uniform of the Ministry of Emergency Situations - a mixture of pinochet and somos.
      1. en 45
        en 45 23 June 2014 11: 25
        +6
        -Now the same with the military. Only on the back nothing is written.
        1. Mama_Cholli
          Mama_Cholli 23 June 2014 16: 00
          +5
          His would, on the back, the target would be depicted. After all, the cabinet general does not care, but the target seems to be related to the military.
  4. Lyubimov
    Lyubimov 23 June 2014 09: 47
    +14
    The proposed symbol is pido ... hmm gomesual in the rough form of the word
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 23 June 2014 16: 34
      -6
      The symbol is beautiful - the white arrow promises a quick departure of the Zionists from Russia, and the blue ones remain under the red ones.
      Perfume helped the shaman with the right sticker, all that is done is for the best.
  5. unclevad
    unclevad 23 June 2014 09: 48
    +3
    An existing character is better. The eighth is normal, and the Americanized ones (No. 9-13), for me, are completely unacceptable.
  6. northern
    northern 23 June 2014 09: 49
    +124
    Well, designed, artists without a clan, without a tribe.
    What could be better?
    1. Lieutenant SA
      Lieutenant SA 23 June 2014 10: 00
      +27
      Red Star is the best symbol of the Russian Army!
      And it’s easier for children to draw on airplanes and tanks (remember childhood :)
      1. northern
        northern 23 June 2014 10: 03
        +8
        Still such a childhood not to remember? Airplanes with stars painted a lot!
      2. KAMAZ
        KAMAZ 23 June 2014 12: 16
        +19
        Quote: Lieutenant SA
        And it’s easier for children to draw on airplanes and tanks (remember childhood :)

        This is generally an unbending argument! The symbol must be simple so that it can be easily drawn or cut out of paper by a child. And this is part of patriotic education.
        Not too lazy to find children's drawings. According to the law, I did not find meanness, but in my sister’s album:
        1. KAMAZ
          KAMAZ 23 June 2014 12: 19
          +9
          and one more for example:
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      4. True
        True 23 June 2014 13: 54
        +3
        This, by the way, is important. Any logo should be, simple. So that the child can draw with a stick on the ground.
    2. amigo1969
      amigo1969 23 June 2014 10: 07
      +16
      Definitely, the Red Star is better !!!! No need to break the tradition. The new symbol is really reminiscent of Pepsi .....
    3. Burberry
      Burberry 23 June 2014 10: 10
      +13
      Quote: north
      What could be better?


      +1, exactly what you need!
      The red star is not only known and respected by the people, but enemies are remembered and afraid !!!
    4. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 23 June 2014 10: 16
      +2
      Not over the horizon. Wait a little while to infuse. They returned the anthem.
    5. liark
      liark 23 June 2014 10: 34
      +3
      from the point of view of the symbolism of protection - nothing. Here, the energy in the center is sublimated twice. But a new symbol - the gap of protection - must not be allowed!
      Not a single symbolism of an attack, swastika or something else, with the previous symbol (red star) can break through the defense.
      Could make a blue contour from the outside and that's it
    6. Yrsh.2008
      Yrsh.2008 23 June 2014 11: 48
      -1
      Shoigu is an excellent leader, but damn he loves different "tinsel" on the form, so we got to the saint in this frenzy!
    7. Polevik
      Polevik 23 June 2014 13: 26
      +2
      For official consideration of this petition by state authorities, it is necessary that it (the petition) collect at least 100 thousand votes on the site. So far, these indicators are more than modest - less than 1% of the required number of signatories are in favor of suspending the adoption of the new army badge. The main reason is that few people know about such an initiative.


      More than 2000 people have already voted on this site, and there are almost 10 times less signatures on a petition.
      Find 2 minutes !!! sign the petition. And invite your friends.

      http://www.change.org/ru/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8/%D0%B2%D0%B5
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      ok & utm_source = share_petition
    8. ioann1
      ioann1 23 June 2014 16: 39
      +1
      And try to portray in the indicated colors on armored vehicles in the field.
      1. northern
        northern 23 June 2014 17: 26
        +7
        Yes how nefig to do. The simplest stencil and simple red paint on the armor are cut. Do not be smart.
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    9. Styx
      Styx 23 June 2014 21: 06
      +1
      here, completely agree with the pasty of a hundred pluses !! good and it’s not necessary to give a light to the unfortunate designers anymore, otherwise they will paint the mattress as a backdrop. Byak in a word, not a new symbol! No. if they really want novia - let them not make the outline red and blue, but the star should be star-red!
    10. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 23 June 2014 22: 13
      0
      Quote: north

      northern


      Today, 09: 49




      Well, designed, artists without a clan, without a tribe. What could be better?


      all right! our star must be red!
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    12. Alex89
      Alex89 24 June 2014 12: 30
      0
      I agree with you! The Red Star is our symbol! Why the hell is there something you need to change something, I don’t understand.
  7. Giant thought
    Giant thought 23 June 2014 09: 50
    +16
    The new symbol, in my opinion, is very unsuccessful. Not encouraging, not inspiring; he is a stillborn child. After all, this symbol will represent our army, and as you know, the people and the army are one, and for some reason I do not want this symbol to represent me. It is necessary to replace it, at least a nationwide competition for the image of a symbol would be announced, there would be many proposals.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 23 June 2014 17: 33
      +2
      But as a picture on t-shirts and military accessories. Commercial project Shoigu. Now there are T-shirts UVZ, KAMAZ. There will be an ARMY OF RUSSIA from Shoigu. Business. I used to relate to him better
  8. Yellow white
    Yellow white 23 June 2014 09: 50
    -3
    I will support anyone, after resolving the issue with Urkaina ...
    1. I am
      I am 24 June 2014 09: 51
      0
      Ukraine - in all barrels a stopper ?????? Can this topic not be trash ?????
  9. Narkom
    Narkom 23 June 2014 09: 55
    +22
    Not only does it look shitty, so they still managed to rearrange the colors. The one who did is an ignoramus.
    1. Freegal
      Freegal 23 June 2014 10: 46
      +10
      The whole institute worked!
      And so, yes! Shoigu ba alshoi minus!
      To disperse the institute, Shoigu to punish the ruble ...
    2. Freegal
      Freegal 23 June 2014 10: 46
      +1
      The whole institute worked!
      And so, yes! Shoigu ba alshoi minus!
      To disperse the institute, Shoigu to punish the ruble ...
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 23 June 2014 11: 12
        +6
        Quote: FreeGal
        The whole institute worked!
        And so, yes! Shoigu ba alshoi minus!
        To disperse the institute, Shoigu to punish the ruble ...

        Let Shoigu attach such a star to his epaulettes! Who will he look like then? negative
        1. kit-kat
          kit-kat 23 June 2014 14: 59
          +4
          "Let Shoigu attach such a star to his shoulder straps! Who will he look like then? Negative"
          And so the army uniform was turned into a demobilization perversion, and also the star was ruined.
    3. Silhouette
      Silhouette 23 June 2014 11: 18
      +2
      And there, if the colors are not rearranged - it’s completely garbage
  10. RU-Officer
    RU-Officer 23 June 2014 09: 56
    +16
    Right! And where else can taxpayers be paid?
    On restyling! Uniform, chevrons, emblems, carriers ... Does it look like anything?
    Remember the restyled attempts of MTS and Sberbank - and who knows how much it cost?
    And the fact that we have bad roads - beavers are to blame. The circus is resting ...
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 23 June 2014 14: 27
      +5
      Shoigu still on the back the inscription ARMY OF RUSSIA will introduce, as in biathlon
  11. Dezinto
    Dezinto 23 June 2014 09: 57
    +19
    I am a designer. And often for logos and corporate identity. So for me, an order of such a high level and such a responsible, historical significance would be the most important thing in my life.

    And the fact that they did it hala, utter crap "for fuck ...". How can this be accepted?
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 24 June 2014 23: 15
      +1
      As an artist, I was just in shock from such a symbol! After all, as an inspirer for a feat, he is dead. I am definitely against such signs.
  12. Professor
    Professor 23 June 2014 09: 57
    +50
    This symbol reminds me something.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 23 June 2014 10: 01
      +2
      Thanks about. .. that the avatar is that the comments you have ... one to one
    2. avt
      avt 23 June 2014 10: 05
      +5
      Quote: professor
      This symbol reminds me something.

      laughing good Outstripped! This "Design Bureau" really consists of newfangled kreaklov. The main thing is to cut down the dough and suck it to the customer - maybe he won't notice, well, everything is exactly like the website of the Ministry of Defense under Serdyukov, well, when they announced that they would do everything super duper, and even with some a new, before the village, an unprecedented game and as a result laid out the old, good, sea battle.
      1. Iline
        Iline 23 June 2014 10: 22
        +7
        So under Serdyukov this crap was muddied. Now we need to show that the money spent was not wasted. Shoigu would understand if he canceled this order, and so - dismiss.
        Although ... Look at the form of the current officers - like clowns in some useless gadgets. The most interesting is that the weaker the army, the brighter the form (my personal observations).
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 23 June 2014 10: 54
          +9
          Shoigu as an Asian loves everything that glitters, so such an abundance of cabbage on the form. Poheril all the traditions of the Russian Army
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 23 June 2014 11: 16
          +1
          Quote: Iline
          The most interesting is that the weaker the army, the brighter the form (my personal observations).

          Very controversial.
        3. boris-1230
          boris-1230 24 June 2014 00: 11
          +2
          Looks like generals of banana republics.
          It’s very unpleasant to look. Still golden epaulettes - some kind of Honduras. sad
    3. IS-80
      IS-80 23 June 2014 11: 41
      +6
      Professor, how do you like this option? laughing
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 June 2014 12: 45
        +4
        Quote: IS-80
        Professor, how do you like this option? laughing

        I'm fine, especially since this sign is on a local ambulance. But what does this have to do with the topic under discussion? request
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 23 June 2014 13: 45
          0
          Quote: professor
          I'm fine, especially since this sign is on a local ambulance. But what does this have to do with the topic under discussion?


          The symbol is ancient, the star is red, creative. Again, the Jewish comrades fought in the Red Army. Friendship of Peoples. And the fact that an ambulance, in principle, is also not bad. Our army often worked as an ambulance. It’s a pity they just don’t particularly remember about it.
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 June 2014 14: 26
            +2
            And again, what does this have to do with the topic under discussion?
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 23 June 2014 14: 58
              +3
              Quote: professor
              And again, what does this have to do with the topic under discussion?

              It was a bit of irony over creative wanderings in three pines in search of a new symbol of our Army. fellow
        2. Dmitry Toderes
          Dmitry Toderes 24 June 2014 08: 29
          0
          Then such an option. laughing
      2. Zaslavsky-S
        Zaslavsky-S 23 June 2014 15: 10
        +2
        By the way, the star of Veles! smile
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  13. Neighbor
    Neighbor 23 June 2014 10: 01
    +6
    Is a country that rejects the past worthy of the future? Moreover, it is almost a one-to-one symbol of the US Post Office.
  14. shurup
    shurup 23 June 2014 10: 02
    +9
    If Shoigu is too keen on the outside, then his cap, then the stars, then he risks becoming Serdyukov-2.
    A public demonstration of a self-righteous expression next to a special female (even with his wife on the day off) - this was the beginning of the previous minister.
    Or is there something to fix in the conservatory?
  15. eXelenSe
    eXelenSe 23 June 2014 10: 02
    +25
    The proposed (colored star) sign is unsuccessful and suitable for geyropa. The red star is much better, but the sign with the shield and star also really liked.
    1. Kuvabatake
      Kuvabatake 23 June 2014 10: 35
      +8
      I agree. But to draw a shield with a star on technology ... It seems to me just a star from a distance is more recognizable.
  16. DesToeR
    DesToeR 23 June 2014 10: 03
    +14
    Is it not clear that the Soviet red (scarlet) star is outdated? And where is the comparison with the symbols of at least the army of the Russian Empire? What to do with the battle banners of the USSR divisions in units and the symbols on them? Why bother to fence this garden? For me personally, stars with blue white and red colors are strongly associated with the symbols of the US Army. Well, to be honest, the modern "tricolor" of the Russian Federation cannot be compared with the flag of the USSR - there is no identity and recognition. It is not for nothing that Old Man replaced the tricolor ("lard" - "meat" - "lard") and the Litvin "chase" with the flag and coat of arms of the BSSR in Belarus. By the way, in the 90s, the symbols in the army were also changed, but under Lukashenka they again returned to the more classical, USSR.
    1. luiswoo
      luiswoo 23 June 2014 10: 41
      +17
      This is a violent imitation of activity, like the law on the "fight" against smoking, for example ...
      And the "new" symbol in flight reminded him:
      1. Volsung
        Volsung 23 June 2014 10: 54
        +4
        I myself wanted to post it - I specially flipped through the comments to see if it had done so before me. At the sight of this new proposed symbol of the sun, a stable association arises precisely with this picture.
      2. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes 24 June 2014 08: 27
        0
        And this to me. laughing
        1. Dmitry Toderes
          Dmitry Toderes 25 June 2014 02: 10
          0
          Captain Russia - V. Putin. The first Avenger. laughing
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    2. vitamin ky
      vitamin ky 24 June 2014 03: 55
      +1
      Yes, I think that the red star is the most successful symbol, and I can add to this only the most clear, concise and capacious sign - so to speak to fear the enemies - to my mom’s joy -add that such a successful symbol was still at the Olympics -80 -our bear — these symbols You can repeat, but it is not possible to surpass -IMHO
      ps-link exited-and voted -other 85 votes needed winked
  17. Gaersul
    Gaersul 23 June 2014 10: 03
    +13
    The Soviet star is really good, a return to this symbol would show the continuity of the Soviet victorious army and the current Russian army. However, the alternative option with a shield is also not bad in its own way. If the leadership of our country decided to create completely new character, then this option, in my opinion, suits much better than the under-star suggested by the "designers" (which, in fact, resembles the brand of one well-known soft drink).
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 24 June 2014 23: 29
      +2
      I prefer the Perunov Cross - still a thunderer and directly god of war:
      The legendary old Russian military symbol.
  18. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 23 June 2014 10: 03
    +4
    Personally, I have associations with Superman and Captain America. I did not like any of the presented samples.
    1. luiswoo
      luiswoo 23 June 2014 10: 56
      +10
      It remains to make a striped bear and there will be a set:
  19. Andrey555580
    Andrey555580 23 June 2014 10: 06
    +8
    What do I associate with the new symbol: half is red (USSR, communism) in the middle is a white abyss (emptiness) and the blue half is probably the present (uncertainty, liberalism, democracy, etc.). This white abyss kills me the most. Visually, it seems that the middle of the star is completely absent. If we wanted to somehow combine the era of communism and "capitalism" into one, then it turned out unsuccessfully. It was already necessary then to make three stars in one, blue outside, the next contour is white and the inner contour is red (white in a thinner layer)
  20. Hyperboreas
    Hyperboreas 23 June 2014 10: 06
    +9
    They twisted ki. Obviously designed by some pimply-mannered girls. Drawn from mattresses no mind no fantasy y. The star is the best symbol and has developed historically.
  21. Dezinto
    Dezinto 23 June 2014 10: 06
    +8
    Star on the traditional shield of the wars of Russia. In my opinion a great view and content!
  22. major071
    major071 23 June 2014 10: 07
    +17
    Again, nowhere to put money? fool

    To leave the red star, under this symbol many victories were won, and he is known and respected throughout the world. IMHO
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 23 June 2014 10: 08
      +7
      Yes, and that is true! What hu ..... dogger we suddenly need to change the emblem of a great army ??
      1. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 23 June 2014 10: 33
        +4
        There was no one to flog at the stable of the initiator of this replacement. But in vain! You see, a thinker would work in the right direction.
  23. Pula
    Pula 23 June 2014 10: 09
    +8
    It’s bad that everything is quiet again, behind the scenes! There was only hope for the unification of Russia, as a victorious people, so for you - a new thing from Pepsi. Sergey Kuzhugetovich, do not spoil the opinion of PEOPLE about yourself! It is a pity that the transformation of the Army turned into stagnation with a change in the Symbol, which causes not very good associations.
  24. avia12005
    avia12005 23 June 2014 10: 09
    +4
    The greatest victories of the Russian weapons were won with the Red Star. She and be!
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 23 June 2014 20: 34
      +3
      Quote: avia12005
      The greatest victories Russian (?) weapons

      The most famous". What came to mind.
      1. Victories of "Rus" over numerous tribes.
      2. Victories of Princes Igor, Oleg and others, including over the Khazar Khaganate.
      3. The victory of the Russian regiments, led by Grand Duke Dmitry Donskoy over the Mongol-Tatar troops in the Battle of Kulikovo.
      4. Victories of Russian soldiers of Prince Alexander Nevsky over German knights on Lake Peipsi (Battle of the Ice).
      5. The victory of the Russian army under the command of Peter the Great over the Swedes in the Battle of Poltava.
      6. Victory in the Battle of Gangut - the first naval victory of the Russian fleet in Russian history under the command of Peter the Great over the Swedes at Cape Gangut.
      7. The victory of the Russian squadron under the command of F. F. Ushakov over the Turkish squadron at Cape Tendra.
      8. The victory of the Russian squadron under the command of P. S. Nakhimov over the Turkish squadron at Cape Sinop.
      9. The capture of the Turkish fortress Izmail by Russian troops under the command of A.V. Suvorov.
      10. The Borodino battle of the Russian army under the command of M. I. Kutuzov with the French army.
      11. The expulsion of the Poles from Russia under the leadership of Minin and Pozharsky.
      12. World War I...

      I apologize for the broken chronology and for not mentioning it.
      But isn't that enough to refute your statement.
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 24 June 2014 00: 18
        +3
        And thousands more battles on the borders of Russia and Russia ... fellow
      2. Lyubteh
        Lyubteh 25 June 2014 00: 09
        -3
        3. The victory of the Russian regiments, led by Grand Duke Dmitry Donskoy over the Mongol-Tatar troops in the Battle of Kulikovo. Let me argue with you for the Mongol-Tatar yoke is a myth invented by the Russian Orthodox Church. And the battle on the sandpit was between the Western Slavs who converted to Christianity and the Eastern Slavs who preserved the faith of the ANCESTORS.
        1. gunya
          gunya 25 June 2014 14: 11
          +3
          Lyubtech, your knowledge is fully consistent with EG, according to history, the "highest" score. (not score).
        2. gunya
          gunya 25 June 2014 14: 11
          0
          Lyubtech, your knowledge is fully consistent with EG, according to history, the "highest" score. (not score).
      3. albolo
        albolo 26 June 2014 00: 41
        0
        A small remark, with your permission. Well, the Khazar Khaganate, for example, was destroyed by Svyatoslav, not Igor. Yes, and the First World War is not particularly praised. Although it has become fashionable now. What boasts if Russia in World War I fell apart and lost its territory? The battle of Borodino, with the highest respect and reverence for it, is nevertheless problematic to be called victorious ... But the Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk battle was not remembered in vain. Operation Bagration and the assault on Berlin! There is something to be proud of.
  25. Manager
    Manager 23 June 2014 10: 11
    +2
    A shield with a red star looks decent!
  26. parusnik
    parusnik 23 June 2014 10: 12
    +4
    I don’t see the point of changing symbolism ..
  27. GRAY
    GRAY 23 June 2014 10: 13
    +4
    This is how much dough can be raised by replacing symbols.
  28. 1398727
    1398727 23 June 2014 10: 13
    +6
    RED STAR IS WITHOUT OPTIONS. This three-colored a la west is not ours.
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 24 June 2014 00: 21
      +2
      Seven-color stars will soon be discussed at such a pace, and multi-colored carriages - tolerant.
  29. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 23 June 2014 10: 15
    +12
    To be honest, this performance is similar to "When the cat has nothing to do, he licks eggs." It just had to write off the dough, that's the whole need for this sign. Plus the etching out of the consciousness of the accomplishments of the past that took place under the red star. And someone else will think that the authorities care about the Fatherland.
  30. liark
    liark 23 June 2014 10: 16
    +6
    from the point of view of symbolism: a five-pointed star is a symbol of protection (pentogram), and here the protection is torn (white stripe - white background). You can not do it this way! let these designers be sent to study religious studies at least.
  31. Kombrig
    Kombrig 23 June 2014 10: 17
    +7
    Definitely, only the RED STAR and without any stray !!!!!! And the new version, indeed, resembles Captain America (everyone has a tantrum) ...
  32. Balamyt
    Balamyt 23 June 2014 10: 18
    +7
    Well what a nonsense! To whom the good old star across the throat then got up ???? Who wants to leave their mark on history? Those who honor the past will remain in history! Or just wanted to cut some money?
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 24 June 2014 23: 33
      0
      It's time to erase these kalyakaly from the pages of history!
  33. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 23 June 2014 10: 20
    +1
    And everything from Shoigu is crazy. Samodur, dressed as officers of the PSC security guards, now encroached on the main symbol of the army. Return Serdyukov, he even served in the army
    1. andj61
      andj61 23 June 2014 12: 20
      +1
      And who is without sin? And Shoigu can be corrected if something is wrong. Under him, at least the army became an ARMY.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 23 June 2014 12: 26
        +5
        Do you think in a year he changed something, one populism as in the Ministry of Emergencies. Everything goes with the furniture maker
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  34. kimanas
    kimanas 23 June 2014 10: 20
    +9
    The holy tradition of Moscow region: as a new minister - so new epaulets, caps, uniforms, signs, etc.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 23 June 2014 12: 29
      +6
      Before Shoigu, at least chli traditions, and now, as in Ethiopia
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    3. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 23 June 2014 13: 12
      +6
      it's called a budget cut comrade
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 23 June 2014 14: 31
        +2
        This is not cut, this is dibilism
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  36. Dezinto
    Dezinto 23 June 2014 10: 21
    +5
    Lyat and now on the sun on fighters, equipment, military bases there will be a striped star! Striped Fuck Star!
    I would joke that ours would have such a symbol, so since the 80th, near the captain of any of our fleets, air or sea, I would have been accused of farewell!
  37. givargi
    givargi 23 June 2014 10: 21
    -18
    I do not think this symbol is so bad. It doesn’t look like an American star at all (besides, in America red stars are also used quite often) ...

    This symbol is the military of a new Russia, a cosmic superpower! It was invented for the eyes of the enemies of Russia, western inhabitants, they will see power and modernism in this star (it looks like the symbolism from films about the future).

    Yes, let him walk with victory!
    1. Arkon
      Arkon 23 June 2014 10: 34
      +2
      Quote: givargi
      This symbol is the military of a new Russia, a cosmic superpower!


      So.

      In relation to the shield.
      There is a significant difference between an arrow pointing downward (as on a shield) and an arrow pointing upward (as on a new symbol).

      A striking example of a downward-facing symbol is the emblem of Ukraine. Does everyone know that this emblem is a stylistic image of an attacking falcon?
      However, no designer's "intention" can overcome the magic of the symbol.

      After birth, the symbol begins to live its own life.

      Whatever the designers of Ukraine think about the "menacingness" of the falling falcon - the result is obvious.
    2. argon
      argon 23 June 2014 11: 36
      +7
      white tears the star apart. Sticking the "badge" on a T-shirt is one thing. how will these halves look on military equipment? T.N. Pepsi designers got drunk.
      1. Arkon
        Arkon 23 June 2014 11: 45
        -8
        Quote: argon
        But how will these halves look on military equipment?


        It’s not the main thing how to look, the main thing is how the technique will work with this symbol.

        And it will work well.

        And the star is not torn, but connected in white.
    3. Svateev
      Svateev 23 June 2014 13: 25
      +1
      givargi!
      Explain, please, what is written on the star on your "avatar"?
  38. Iero
    Iero 23 June 2014 10: 24
    +15
    The goal of this modernization of the Armed Forces symbol is simple - to get away from the red color, from the Soviet ideology, from its past and place in history. "Reconcile" Krasnaya Zvezda with the flag of Russian "democrats". Let's continue talking about liberal values, start broadcasting about our identity, about the need for conciliarity, promoting national exclusivity and, as a result, we will get a pro-American state according to the Ukrainian version with a full Maidan.
    1. rereture
      rereture 23 June 2014 13: 44
      -4
      Red star with flag Russian "democrats


      Are you Russophobe? Do not like Russian? What nationality will you be?
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 23 June 2014 21: 14
      +1
      Quote: iero
      with the flag of the Russian "democrats".
      Since when is the flag of Holland a flag of Russian democrats ??! Some kind of nonsense and not a symbol .. Pepsi visiting captain America .. Ugliness ..
  39. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 23 June 2014 10: 25
    +8
    Last Saturday, a presentation of this sign took place at the Alabino training ground. The presence of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, led by Sergei Shoigu, at this presentation demonstrates that for the ministry, the adoption of a new symbol has become a good thing.


    A disease diagnosed with "Magic of Greatness" is incurable. And it looks like there are more "Napoleons" in our country than anywhere else. As soon as recognition begins (deserved), control over reality is lost.
  40. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 23 June 2014 10: 27
    +2
    After all, they were going to change, not so long ago, the first time it did not crawl, so they decided to starve to death?
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 23 June 2014 10: 58
      +6
      and these liberal-homosexual personalities have such tactics. And this has long been noticed. Persistently and persistently, while with a calm behavior and a gentle smile on their faces, they continue to bend their line. Once sent, they will tidy up a second time, etc.
      Like those bugs that horseradish will etch. Or like a virus that constantly mutates.
  41. Dezinto
    Dezinto 23 June 2014 10: 30
    +10
    A star is really a symbol with which it is difficult to avoid coincidences or discrepancies. But the red star, this is not the logo of the hackneyed brand! This is not a dumbfounded commercial!
    The red star is a symbol of the power of a huge country that has repeatedly proved its unique power!
    And you can not use the principles of changing the logo here. This is offensive to people who sacrificed their lives for their country. ... maybe in five years we’ll think about a double-headed eagle?

    With all my patriotism and commitment to the main vector. I am completely against this fictitious stupid idea.
  42. 62naSvyazi
    62naSvyazi 23 June 2014 10: 31
    +2
    Comrades, note that the lady in the photo on the left breast has a "new symbol", the broken sequence of the tricolor of which has already been discussed, so moreover, it is not the Russian state flag that can be seen from the right.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 23 June 2014 10: 37
      0
      Really, guys, what kind of flag is under her jacket?

      What the hell are you doing?
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 23 June 2014 12: 43
        +1
        Quote: 62naSvyazi
        the lady in the photo on the left breast has a "new symbol", the broken sequence of the tricolor of which has already been discussed, so moreover, not the Russian state flag is visible from the right

        Quote: DEZINTO
        what is that flag under her jacket

        The lady in the photo is very similar to the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Tatyana Viktorovna Shevtsova. Look at the official website of the Ministry of Defense, the "Deputy Ministers" section.
        Appointed to the position of 4 on August 2010.

        Shevtsova T.V .:
        Responsible for the organization of financial support for the Armed Forces (AF). Prepares and submits for approval to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation proposals for the main areas of economic activity in the Armed Forces, a draft consolidated budget estimates for the next financial year and planning period, draft budget allocation plans, a list of subsidies for federal budget and autonomous institutions, proposals for optimizing budget allocation management , salary schemes in foreign currency of Russian military specialists and representatives of the missions of the Ministry of Defense of Russia in foreign states.

        He supervises the planning of federal budget expenditures for the next financial year and planning period in the Armed Forces, compiling justifications for budget allocations; distribution of budgetary appropriations and limits of budgetary obligations; financing of expenses, including state capital investments, envisaged by the federal budget for the Ministry of Defense; the formation of a single accounting policy and budget reporting of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It also exercises other powers in accordance with the Regulations of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
        The military command bodies are subordinate to her:
        Department of financial support of the Ministry of defense of Russia
        Department of Budget Planning and Social Guarantees of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
        Department of Economic Analysis and Forecasting of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
  43. Aton
    Aton 23 June 2014 10: 32
    +3
    I don’t understand a bit, what will the military personnel have on this sign? When I was a soldier, I didn’t have any chevrons on my uniform and anything, just buttonholes and then a pair of stitches, and a cockade on a cap.
    1. Johnnie_walker
      Johnnie_walker 23 June 2014 22: 18
      0
      Obviously, this is a tactical mark on all types of equipment where it relies. It is also quite possible a marketing brand for goods and souvenirs.
  44. lexx2038
    lexx2038 23 June 2014 10: 35
    +11
    It seems to me that Soviet symbolism was the most powerful - in the literal and figurative sense. And many still have nightmares about tanks with stars.
    1. raf
      raf 23 June 2014 20: 41
      +1
      The way it is!!! hi
  45. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 23 June 2014 10: 35
    +18
    So with one movement, all the good attitude towards the Minister of Defense simply collapsed, idiocy, stupidity and mediocrity of the military leadership, you spat in the face of those who reached BERLIN under the RED STAR, you just put on those 27 million of our Soviet Union citizens who are now lying in the ground that gave us the opportunity to live, you are like petty dirty tricks, licked and crap, Ugh on you.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 23 June 2014 15: 40
      +2
      And what did you expect from the arrogant and greedy capitalists? What will they honor the memory of the working people? These are the ones who vote for Yeltsin / Putin / Medvedev / Putin ... Shoigu? am
  46. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 June 2014 10: 35
    +14
    A white stripe tears the star to smithereens. ladies and gentlemen, I’m a patient person, but in recent months, I so want to deceive someone on Red Square.
  47. Gray 43
    Gray 43 23 June 2014 10: 36
    +17
    Blyin, when will they calm down ???? Then the police are renamed to the police, time zones are canceled, the laws of physics and mathematics will soon be canceled, for me the current symbol is a red star, much more familiar, so I am against the imagination of this designer.
  48. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 23 June 2014 10: 37
    +6
    Another cut of money, and even so "timely".
    1. KUOLEMA
      KUOLEMA 23 June 2014 13: 03
      +4
      100% brother
  49. DMB-75
    DMB-75 23 June 2014 10: 40
    +8
    And you asked the people if they want to change the STAR? Yes, for the Order of the Red Star, our grandfathers and fathers did not spare life, but whoever invented it just needs to be shot as an enemy of the people am ! PAZOR !!! am
    1. rereture
      rereture 23 June 2014 13: 47
      0
      Stupid you.

      Yes, for the Order of the Red Star, our grandfathers and fathers of life


      NOT FOR THE ORDER OF LIFE GIVEN.
  50. Freegal
    Freegal 23 June 2014 10: 40
    +12
    What a beautiful coat of arms of the Soviet Union was! The most terrible and bloody war was won with him. No zhezh, changed to a plucked two-headed mutant chicken. Scarlet star, the same symbol of Victory, Power and Spirit. No, and it must be rude! Well, every defense minister is trying to perpetuate himself with new endeavors. This one went the same way.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 23 June 2014 13: 15
      +11
      Quote: FreeGal
      What a beautiful coat of arms of the Soviet Union was! The most terrible and bloody war was won with him. No zhezh, changed to a plucked two-headed mutant chicken. Scarlet star, the same symbol of Victory, Power and Spirit. No, and it must be rude! Well, every defense minister is trying to perpetuate himself with new endeavors. This one went the same way.

      That we are drowning in money? Here we break off the beak and paws of the mattress mats, then you can fantasize. Whoever does not like the Byzantine eagle, let's use the coat of arms of the Serpent Gorynych with three heads, so that it would protect the borders in the west, east and mature how things are going in the state. am
      1. rereture
        rereture 23 June 2014 13: 48
        0
        I am for it.
      2. Pavel Cherniga
        Pavel Cherniga 25 June 2014 16: 29
        0
        I have two hands for Gorynych and make Koschei the Immortal a symbol of Sberbank)))))))))))))
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      1. raf
        raf 23 June 2014 20: 44
        +8
        And under the red star that there was no VICTORY ??? !!!
        1. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 24 June 2014 13: 10
          -1
          Dear raf, and someone says that there were no victories under the red star? It's just that the lady spoke disrespectfully about the "two-headed eagle" (by the way, the coat of arms of Russia since 1497), so she drew her attention to disrespect for history, and specifically for the symbol of the state. He did not insult anyone, he was not rude. I do not understand why my previous comment was deleted.