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"The destruction of domestic engineering - the result of a conscious policy"

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"The destruction of domestic engineering - the result of a conscious policy"A striking example - the fate of the aircraft industry

Published statistics on the structure of Russian exports. It turned out that the share of technological goods is a few percent. If at the beginning of the “market reforms” exports to 43% were mineral resources, nowadays this figure has exceeded 70%.

What is the reason for the technological lag in Russia? Why are negative trends growing?

Vyacheslav Nikolaevich Tetekin, a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, comments on these questions.

Domestic aviation mechanical engineering is almost destroyed

- The published figures are not surprising. In Russia, a line has been drawn for a long time to consciously suffocate domestic engineering and manufacturing industries. When they say that Russia has become a power sitting on an export-raw needle, this is usually portrayed as the result of the actions of elemental, spontaneous forces. They say that there are factors beyond human control. But in fact, the dependence on imports and, accordingly, raw materials export dependence are the results of a very specific government policy.

I will cite the facts from the field I am most involved in, that is, from aeronautical engineering. More than 20 years ago, in the late USSR, we provided about 30% of the global air transportation market by our own aircraft. Today, only 1% of the world's air cargo is carried by Russian-made aircraft, and even then it is still Soviet aircraft.

Nothing new is now practically produced, besides, production of competitive models IL-96 and Tu-204 / 214 is curtailed. And the An-148 joint project with Ukraine is almost no longer underway. Remains the notorious "Superjet", which on 70-80% consists of imported components. Domestic aviation engineering almost destroyed, and this was not an accident. This is done in the interests of foreign competitors in the Russian manufacturing industry.

In the agrarian country instantly appeared powerful processing complex

If it goes on like this, the non-raw material share of our exports will drop to zero. The restoration of the manufacturing industry is possible only with a change in the socio-economic course, and this also implies personnel changes.

Now taxation is arranged in such a way that it actually stifles domestic engineering and creates more favorable conditions for foreign products. As a result, buying a domestic plane is more expensive than a foreign one. If economic policy is structured in this way, then what can we expect? Can we expect a revival of domestic engineering?

There were no scientists, engineers, technicians or skilled workers in the 30s. There was no production or energy capacity. But in 1941, a powerful industry emerged in the USSR, capable of creating modern types of weapons at that time. In the agrarian country, a powerful processing complex appeared almost instantly.

Now there is everything, and more precisely, for the present there is everything that is needed: science, engineers, workers and production base. The only thing we lack is state will.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 20 June 2014 18: 49
    +15
    It is necessary to ask those who have earned on the collapse of the aircraft industry, but with an addiction ...
    1. Matroskin 18
      Matroskin 18 20 June 2014 19: 22
      +11
      The answer to the lag problem is clear even to a child:
      1. Stalin is not on them!
      2. The principle "godfather, matchmaker, brother ..."
      3. The principle "who will put him in prison, he is a monument!"
      1. gandalf
        gandalf 20 June 2014 20: 31
        +22
        I agree with the first, the rest are superfluous. Why? see paragraph 1 laughing

        And I will add. 5-th column, which in our country was grown borea, backed up by our colonial constitution formed a system. And this system collapsed not only mechanical engineering, but many branches of technological production.
        HOW?
        I explain. But briefly. Details - not enough space. wink
        1. Payment of tribute through gold reserves, ruble exchange rate management, etc. the private Central Bank of the Russian Federation pumped out money (and now it is pumping it out, but to a lesser extent - thanks to GDP) from our economy to the economy of the West - that is, there is nothing to develop and support production.
        2. Privatization. Purchase of the 5-th column or directly by Western companies of production followed by their bankruptcy and closure. Why give work here if it’s cheaper in China, and the German burgher should also work, not to close the factory in Germany.
        3. The actual ban on state. investment in these areas. The Ministry of Finance - under the 5 column - either did not give money for such projects or quietly sabotaged their financing. Added to this is the inability of the state to manage the ruble, i.e. through refinancing rates, etc. - a high% on loans within the country forces loans in the West, and the West does not really give money for the development of money, and if it does, then with the right to own production, which allows you to make a profit and close it if necessary.
        4. Education. The decline of those. education in universities and, especially, in technical schools - hence the lack of personnel for both development and production.
        5. Lobbying the purchase of goods with high added value abroad.
        6. The conviction of everyone and everything that development is impossible without foreign investment. And foreign investment is the sale of the homeland. The foreign owner of the plant receives not only profit, but also management and influence on the power in the region. Plus, foreign investment will not go into high production, so as not to make competitors.

        For some points of GDP, it was possible to break through the 5 column, but fundamental success will only be with control over the ruble, i.e. through the nationalization of the Central Bank and the amendment of the constitution.

        PS The question for foreign investment adherents is that during the 23 of the year, not a single foreign investor built a single plant for the production of, for example, microelectronics. wink
        1. 225chay
          225chay 20 June 2014 22: 52
          0
          Quote: gandalf
          And I will add. 5-th column, which in our country was grown borea, backed up by our colonial constitution formed a system. And this system collapsed not only mechanical engineering, but many branches of technological production.
          HOW?
          I explain. But briefly. Details - not enough space.
          1. Payment of tribute through gold reserves, ruble exchange rate management, etc. the private Central Bank of the Russian Federation pumped out money (and now it is pumping it out, but to a lesser extent - thanks to GDP) from our economy to the economy of the West - that is, there is nothing to develop and support production.
          2. Privatization. Purchase of the 5-th column or directly by Western companies of production followed by their bankruptcy and closure. Why give work here if it’s cheaper in China, and the German burgher should also work, not to close the factory in Germany.
          3. The actual ban on state. investment in these areas. The Ministry of Finance - under the 5 column - either did not give money for such projects or quietly sabotaged their financing. Added to this is the inability of the state to manage the ruble, i.e. through refinancing rates, etc. - a high% on loans within the country forces loans in the West, and the West does not really give money for the development of money, and if it does, then with the right to own production, which allows you to make a profit and close it if necessary.
          4. Education. The decline of those. education in universities and, especially, in technical schools - hence the lack of personnel for both development and production.
          5. Lobbying the purchase of goods with high added value abroad.
          6. The conviction of everyone and everything that development is impossible without foreign investment. And foreign investment is the sale of the homeland. The foreign owner of the plant receives not only profit, but also management and influence on the power in the region. Plus, foreign investment will not go into high production, so as not to make competitors.

          For some points of GDP, it was possible to break through the 5 column, but fundamental success will only be with control over the ruble, i.e. through the nationalization of the Central Bank and the amendment of the constitution.

          PS The question for foreign investment adherents is that during the 23 of the year, not a single foreign investor built a single plant for the production of, for example, microelectronics.


          ++! I absolutely agree with you!
          Especially regarding the nationalization of the Central Bank
          1. Andersen68
            Andersen68 21 June 2014 05: 06
            0
            I agree, too, a lot has been written about this. good
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    3. ele1285
      ele1285 20 June 2014 20: 04
      +1
      Quote: mig31
      It is necessary to ask those who have earned on the collapse of the aircraft industry, but with an addiction ...

      Putin, of course, is a big plus for Crimea. But what next? Of course he doesn’t share his plans, but he will shame Novorossia, and if we don’t help today, he will shake it tomorrow. People need Victory, not Gazprom trade, damn it, Miller to take money with debtors can not, why the dog such managers?
      1. Sardykar
        Sardykar 20 June 2014 20: 55
        +1
        How to get it? You can put pressure on this in civilized countries! But Ukraine bit a bit and will not pay. now only 1 way out - international court! So they filed him. But how else do you propose to knock out debts? To be polite at the same time? Or do you propose to become the same reptile as those who oppose? It will be difficult to remain yourself, but it is necessary.
        1. saag
          saag 20 June 2014 21: 06
          0
          Quote: Sardykar
          How to get it?

          And in December they bought 3 billion Ukrainian government securities, such a loan was issued to Yanukovych, well, dump them on the stock exchange and at least get something
          1. Dracula
            Dracula 20 June 2014 21: 40
            +3
            These papers can only be dumped in the trash. Ukraine is bankrupt.
            1. koshh
              koshh 21 June 2014 02: 13
              +1
              Quote: Dracula
              These papers can only be dumped in the trash. Ukraine is bankrupt.


              But what about bankruptcy? Share all property between creditors. And 3 yards Outskirts should begin to extinguish from June 20, 2014, but did not start.
  2. herruvim
    herruvim 20 June 2014 18: 49
    +10
    Misha and Borya for years have been ruining everything that our fathers and grandfathers did and now you want to restore it all in a nimble way
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 20 June 2014 19: 05
      +22
      Quote: herruvim
      Misha and Borya have been ruining everything for years

      And name the successors weakly? It’s also not the first day in power .. Or he (they) have nothing to do with it?. Strange position ..
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 20 June 2014 20: 03
        +2
        Since the end of 1999, officially ... and no fans need to sing ditties ... signed up - so answer ... or to Uryupinsk! (sorry, Uryupintsy)
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 21 June 2014 01: 58
        +4
        Quote: sazhka4
        And name the successors weakly?

        By the way, yes!..
        It is, of course, difficult to judge unequivocally, since "one is not a warrior in the field." Even if I wanted to, those who are nearby will not let me turn around. And in order to overcome them, you need a "sudden" popular uprising, clearly organized, and with a seditious to madness slogan: "Bureaucrats - to the Gilyak!" Plus the funeral of the "ruling" Edra, to which practically all representatives of small and large administrations have conscientiously joined. Does Putin have the political will of THIS level? I doubt it. Sometimes there is a feeling that he is afraid of popular support - after all, he needs to correspond ..
        In general, "everything is just not easy" request Yes
      3. koshh
        koshh 21 June 2014 02: 16
        -1
        Quote: sazhka4
        And name the successors weakly?


        I suggest starting with the first - with Carl. And then we get to the last.
    2. Shornikov
      Shornikov 20 June 2014 19: 10
      +16
      Misha-6 years. 1985-1991
      Borya-8 years 1991-1999
      ....- 14 years 2000-2014
    3. that beetle
      that beetle 20 June 2014 19: 17
      +14
      Forget about Misha and I’m struggling. For 14 years, your favorite GDP. You have to ask him, not Misha and Bori.
      1. moremansf
        moremansf 20 June 2014 19: 33
        +11
        It’s easy to break up, but it’s more difficult to restore ... It began with the 90's, the beginning of the collapse, the enterprises bought up a penny close to EBN, thousands of specialists turned out to survive in the trade, survived vocational education, there was nowhere to prepare workers for specialties, the prestige of an engineer destroyed, began to massively stamp managers and lawyers, began to buy old things over the hill at kickbacks ... as a result, they completely destroyed their own engineering ... but many Russians appeared in the Forbes rating ... Putting it all together is not so easy, it's not trading sneakers, time is needed ...
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 20 June 2014 19: 48
          +5
          Quote: moremansf
          It’s easy to break up, but it’s more difficult to restore ... It began with the 90's, the beginning of the collapse, the enterprises bought up a penny close to EBN, thousands of specialists turned out to survive in the trade, survived vocational education, there was nowhere to prepare workers for specialties, the prestige of an engineer destroyed, began to massively stamp managers and lawyers, began to buy old things over the hill at kickbacks ... as a result, they completely destroyed their own engineering ... but many Russians appeared in the Forbes rating ... Putting it all together is not so easy, it's not trading sneakers, time is needed ...


          completely reposted so that once you read your thought. I’m tired for two years like that. but alas, people are people. Putin is to blame. drinks
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          2. vsoltan
            vsoltan 20 June 2014 20: 32
            +1
            Not one .... with the environment ... spoke out on this subject just like you - no will, involved ... the fish goes dead from the head ....
        2. vsoltan
          vsoltan 20 June 2014 20: 00
          +1
          You collect the thieves together .... and all the rest - themselves merge where necessary ... like droplets of mercury ... the thermometer broke when?
        3. SMV
          SMV 20 June 2014 20: 18
          +3
          Quote: moremansf
          It’s easy to break up, and it’s more difficult to restore ...


          So no one was planning to restore! My mother-in-law has been working all my life for Tupolev and every year several projects are being closed !!!
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 21 June 2014 00: 28
            -1
            In the 5th column I swam to myself the pros to put everything in our mouths verbally.
            Kysh demons kysh.
        4. anip
          anip 20 June 2014 21: 07
          +7
          Quote: moremansf
          It’s easy to break up, but it’s more difficult to restore ... It began with the 90's, the beginning of the collapse, the enterprises bought up a penny close to EBN, thousands of specialists turned out to survive in the trade, survived vocational education, there was nowhere to prepare workers for specialties, the prestige of an engineer destroyed, began to massively stamp managers and lawyers, began to buy old things over the hill at kickbacks ... as a result, they completely destroyed their own engineering ... but many Russians appeared in the Forbes rating ... Putting it all together is not so easy, it's not trading sneakers, time is needed ...

          Now read this:
          We are 50-100 years behind advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us.

          This was said by Stalin on February 4, 1931 in his speech at the First All-Union Conference of Workers of Socialist Industry. And, we can say that in 1941 this task was almost completed, otherwise they would not have won. And now in power is 14 (!) Years of GDP. And there is really no result. request
          Take Hitler. He came to power in 1933. Then Germany paid huge reparations, in 1932-33, income from the agricultural sector fell by 1 billion marks compared with 1924-25. Then, in 1929-33, the global crisis was raging, the volume of industrial production in Germany fell by 40,6%. In Germany, massive unemployment. So what? For 6 years, Germany was able not only to restore its power, but also to increase it, so much so that it unleashed World War II.
          But what prevented the GDP from raising the country for 14 (!) Years?
          1. A_l_nad
            A_l_nad 20 June 2014 22: 08
            +3
            Yes, Germany quickly regained its power only on whose money, and why, when Hitler conquered all of Europe, he did not touch Switzerland. Nobody will give money to Putin just like that, but substituting the bandwagon is welcome
          2. koshh
            koshh 21 June 2014 02: 27
            -2
            During this time, we completely paid off the debts, and not small. Though it pleases.
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 21 June 2014 05: 10
              +4
              Quote: koshh
              During this time, we completely paid off the debts, and not small. Though it pleases.

              the question is why? the states do not care about debts, for example, and we needed not to scatter money, but to raise the economy ..
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 21 June 2014 02: 29
            0
            Quote: anip
            But what prevented the GDP from raising the country for 14 (!) Years?

            In fact, in order to understand this, one can read K. Marx and V. I. Lenin in terms of covering the directions of development of Capitalism: it must be borne in mind that capitalist society at the beginning of the 20th century was just developing, and the owners of enterprises, in the majority their own, were "individualists", that is, they acted on the principle "every man for himself."
            The above example with fascist Germany, and the USSR before the war, show the possibility of active development in the context of DICTATUREwhen nobody really considered the price of achievements. Soviet scientists worked in closed design bureaus - not all, but many - conditions in which resembled a prison. This is somehow forgotten by amateurs to remember the time of Stalin. It is clear that the measures were forced, their ethics is very controversial .. but they brought results, there is no doubt about it.
            However, it is unlikely today you can make scientists work in such conditions! Yes, this is not necessary - it would be enough for the government to turn to science face, not ass.
            Well, today, all actions to freeze development are lobbied by Capital, which, according to Marx, has reached the highest stage of development: actively progressing multinationals - that is, international associations of the largest manufacturing companies that seek to absorb the maximum number of sales markets, and are completely unwilling to create competitors for themselves. So the "independence" of the leaders of individual states can be characterized as EXTREMELY CONDITIONAL .. And in our country as well.
            1. Alf
              Alf 21 June 2014 16: 25
              +1
              Quote: avia1991
              closed design bureaus - not all, but many - conditions in which resembled a prison. This is somehow forgotten by amateurs to remember the time of Stalin. It is clear that the measures were forced, their ethics is very controversial .. but the results are

              Read Leo Kerber, sitting with Tupolev. He writes that he treated them on "you", one feeding is worth it. Every day any designer wrote in a special book in the dining room what he wanted for breakfast or lunch. And it was carried out, well, unless of course he required lobster or a lamb saddle. It got to the point that Arkhangelsky once loudly declared, Again, cold cocoa was served. Any request for foreign technical literature was fulfilled instantly.
              Something does not look like the proverbial Gulag.
              1. Shornikov
                Shornikov 21 June 2014 16: 42
                +2
                The propaganda to defame the Russian past has been going on not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia since the beginning of the introduction of "democracy".
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 21 June 2014 22: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Shornikov
                  Propaganda to defame the Russian past

                  You, sir, do not even notice that in your position you are copying the ukrov, who "create" their history the way they want. History is what you need in order to avoid making old mistakes by studying it!
                  And by the way: what was it about?
                  Quote: avia1991
                  Soviet scientists worked in closed design bureaus - not all, but many - conditions in which resembled a prison. This is somehow forgotten by amateurs to remember the time of Stalin. It is clear that the measures were forced, their ethics is very controversial .. but they brought results, there is no doubt about it.

                  Do you disagree with the statement that such a policy brought RESULT? From the entire post you "saw" only the phrase that touched your idol .. Isn't it funny for you, yourself? Or is it not necessary to think here? What about the overall score? About the reasons hindering the rise of Russia? Or does it all come down to one explanation for you: "STALIN IS NOT ON YOU"?
                  1. Shornikov
                    Shornikov 22 June 2014 06: 41
                    0
                    Something in your original post, you highlighted completely different phrases.

                    And you made a mistake with the idol, you are simply tired of it already when, for the sake of the current ideology, the past is being muddied. In the lessons of the past, one must learn, not curse him.
                    You can also be compared with ukrami, because you, too, "create" your own history, pulling only the bad from the past. Moreover, from that moment in history when the country was truly powerful and independent. Give at least one more example of such independence from foreign "well-wishers".
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 22 June 2014 18: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Shornikov
                      Something in your original post, you highlighted completely different phrases.

                      Which OTHER? I said that in a dictatorship, development is possible at a much faster pace, and cited the example of the work of our scientists before the Second World War and during the war years. You were hooked on a reservation of the conditions of their work .. BUT IS THIS IT NOT HAPPENED ?! Or do you knowingly do not want to notice the bad? This is the main danger: denying the excesses that have occurred, today you can step on the same rake again and again.
                      As for the "one more example": remember the Cuban missile crisis. The introduction of troops into Hungary, Czechoslovakia .. Olympics-80. The existence of the USSR is basically an example of the independence of our country's behavior. And not only in Stalin's time.
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 21 June 2014 22: 13
                0
                Quote: Alf
                Something doesn’t look like the proverbial Gulag

                Ah, it offended you ?! hi But does not dear Kerber say what happened when a scientist did not have time, most often, for objective reasons, to complete a certain stage of work in a timely manner? Or didn’t it produce the desired results for a long time? .. The principle of carrot and stick - and, moreover, the carrot at the level of natural needs - and the stick at the level of terror. Let’s not judge what was THEN, according to the level of nutrition. We do not know the Truth, and those who remember, most of them have already left .. but among their testimonies I personally, at a young age, hardly heard any rainbow. But I do not presume to judge unequivocally .. just now, in connection with the awakened "longing for a strong tsar-father", Stalin is almost an angel trying to represent - moreover, those who really have no idea about life during his reign! You just need to remember both THE GOOD AND THE BAD! And take good into service without committing the SAME MISTAKES.
                PS By the way ..
                Soviet scientists worked in closed design bureaus - not all, but many - conditions in which resembled a prison.

                Where did you see the mention of the Gulag here? Prison is a more comfortable place ..
      2. cutsolia
        cutsolia 20 June 2014 19: 41
        +9
        Those who are ruining the economy and production continue to be present. VVP is not God, to fix everything overnight. It just collapses quickly, and it always takes longer to restore.
        1. saag
          saag 20 June 2014 20: 05
          +2
          Quote: cutsolia
          It only collapses quickly, and recovery is always longer.

          Given the desire and the necessary funding, it doesn’t take long to recover, with the first strain, and Sochi’s experience has shown what can be done in a short time, if there is money
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 21 June 2014 02: 38
            +1
            Quote: saag
            and Sochi’s experience has shown what can be done in a short time if there is money

            Have you ever wondered how much was stolen during this construction? Kickbacks, according to the person who tried to work there on the construction of roads (with his own company), could reach 80 (!)% .. True, he started, he said, from 20% - depending on the type and resource intensity of the work.
            When the country is rebuilt in this way, an economic "Pyrrhic victory" will be obtained!
      3. 78bor1973
        78bor1973 20 June 2014 20: 15
        +8
        And what is so only about aviation, why not say about tractor building, agricultural machine building, machine tool building and it was necessary to start with this, the Ministry of Medium Machine Building cannot be created (if they are dispersed then there is a chance, but without red hair)!
        1. Shornikov
          Shornikov 20 June 2014 20: 19
          0
          Russia has been an agricultural country throughout its history. If you start to raise with / the trailer will be pulled up and industry. Tractors, seeders-winders.
          1. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 20 June 2014 20: 22
            +1
            I mean, with vertical take-off?
            1. Shornikov
              Shornikov 20 June 2014 20: 34
              +3
              And these too.

              "We are informing you of an egregious fact:
              On the banks of the Amur River, in the midst of native fields,
              Our simple Soviet peace tractor was exposed
              The shelling of six Chinese batteries.

              Hearing the wild cry of the Chinese landing,
              Soviet tractor driver, by the title of starley,
              Answered the fire with one powerful salvo
              And destroyed six Chinese batteries.

              And then, draining the gas and starting the reactor,
              He plowed all of them and quickly brought in the dung.
              Our Soviet peace tractor rose into the sky
              And he flew home to his beloved state farm.

              The next day, in an interview with special editors of their editorial offices
              The Soviet foreman, by the rank of captain,
              He said that in the case of the second such provocation
              We will release a combine harvester on the field instead of a tractor! "


              The first step is to launch such tractors in the fields of the Rostov region
              1. Shornikov
                Shornikov 20 June 2014 20: 55
                +1
                I will tell you about the blatant fact:
                On the banks of the Amur River in the middle of fields
                Caught our simple Soviet tractor
                In the sight of six Chinese batteries.

                Hit a volley, shells flew,
                But the tractor driver was a guy with a head:
                He presses the pedal - and now the goal is not visible
                In the smoke curtain delivered.

                And the tractor soared over the sweet side,
                And at the same moment the aggressor responded,
                To beware of scaring us with war
                Hit a volley of tactical missiles.

                And our tractor driver, captain Litvinov,
                I looked at the map and turned on the afterburner,
                Calmly bombed over Beijing
                And laid home turn.

                He turned off the reactor over Cupid,
                So as not to frighten native sheep and goats.
                Our Soviet tractor rushed through the sky
                To refuel in your own collective farm.

                And, if the enemy takes action again,
                To prevent us from harvesting,
                By order Agroprom ES-ES-ES-ERA
                A harvester will fly to our field.
                Vertical take-off
  3. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 20 June 2014 18: 51
    +13
    That's right, what we lack is state will. But there is no will. soldier
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 20 June 2014 19: 00
      +8
      Plus set to think. The author twitches and we nod.

      We have neither qualified engineers nor qualified toolmakers turners in the first place and not the will. Pak fa flew, though raw, but flew slowly, but the missiles are falling not because there is no will, but because the hands of gold remained. If you remember, two years ago, we just took it seriously.
      1. Maksim...
        Maksim... 20 June 2014 19: 11
        0
        but the missiles are falling not because there is no will, but because the hands of the gold units remained.

        And why did they fall in the USSR?
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 20 June 2014 19: 27
          +1
          Quote: Maxim ...
          And why did they fall in the USSR?

          Review the Soviet movie "The Taming of Fire".
      2. nikolaj1703
        nikolaj1703 20 June 2014 19: 12
        +8
        Managers-like dogs uncut
        1. 225chay
          225chay 20 June 2014 23: 02
          0
          Quote: nikolaj1703
          Managers-like dogs uncut



          exactly! just uncut. until the situation is corrected, these "dogs" will continue to destroy the remaining industry and the country in general
      3. max702
        max702 20 June 2014 19: 25
        +5
        So far, there are gold hands, but not much, and we don’t value them .. Look at the salaries in the aviation and rocket industries and you will understand why everything flies badly and often falls .. And this is a consequence of political will .. let's say you get sick and you have to a complicated surgical operation, so on whom will the success of the operation depend? From the chief physician, from the chief accountant, or maybe from the Minister of Health? Not! It will depend on the surgeon on the anesthetist, resuscitator on the simple hard workers of the operating team! And they are paid money 20-30 times less than the chief accountant 50-80 than the head physician and 200-500 less than the minister, guess what quality they will do the operation?
        1. cutsolia
          cutsolia 20 June 2014 19: 37
          +4
          And whoever directs our economy and finances - marketers, that’s all. In the institutes, paid surrender of anything is flourishing in lush color - hence the quality of education and, accordingly, following it ...
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 20 June 2014 19: 50
          +5
          Quote: max702
          Look at salaries in the aviation and rocket industry and you will understand why everything flies badly and often falls ..


          Excuse me, but if I need a good specialist, I will always pay more than the state. and that ... as a result, the special will turn into a permanent defector where they will pay more. this is not the root ...
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 20 June 2014 19: 58
            0
            It seems that the essence of the distortion of social concepts ... we are full of economists - what about the economy, huh? We have a lot of lawyers - for some reason, laws are on strike ... and all these freshly baked experts impudently claim very high wages without having worked even more than one day ... there are no engineers, there are no competent workers ... though - well, if if you don’t agree, then to my personal pleasure, in the last couple of years I have noticed an influx of interested applicants to normal technical universities and the so-called colleges (in our opinion, shovels, vocational schools) and let, and thank God ... as without engineers and artisans ... the only state so far is mattress ... so how much are left for them?
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 20 June 2014 23: 25
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            Excuse me, but if I need a good specialist, I will always pay more than the state.

            In theory, a good specialist should provide your company with additional profit, the interest from which you will pay him a salary, which will be kept by you.
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 21 June 2014 02: 46
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            if I need a good special I will always pay more than the state

            A good special appears when two simple concepts coincide: favorite job and profession. And in this case, a person will not run if the level of remuneration of his work allows him to stably support himself and his family. So salary plays an important role here.
      4. vsoltan
        vsoltan 20 June 2014 20: 07
        +1
        In fact, preparing competent specialists, and even revising the education system, to take the Soviet one as a model is not a problem .... for several years ... you spin a saucer and ask the late Comrade Stalin !!! He knows .... well, it's true, for deuces and "bugs" about% will sit down a little ... when they are freed they will work with a vengeance ... the person in the staff understood, definitely wassat
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 20 June 2014 19: 39
      +3
      First of all, it is necessary to resign the liberal government, and for the will to appear, something extraordinary must be invented to bring this information to the GDP.
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 20 June 2014 20: 30
        0
        A giant of thought .... I still want to say with Jewish intonations ... so, you really think, sho mono "convey" .... to the supreme power ... you are still mistaken ... this is all done ... the Russian liberal intelligentsia from the middle of the XNUMXth century wanted to convey everything ... pervertedly, sometimes with bombs, sometimes with newspapers ... not at all always right ... but such hopes did take place ... and sho, what did it lead to? To war and change of power? Perhaps, it is necessary to "inform" more harshly and decisively? I don’t know ... I’m not a Russian intelligentsia and I don’t belong to the Jews ... I have a job love
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 20 June 2014 20: 59
        +2
        Giant, do you read what you write?
      3. Alf
        Alf 21 June 2014 16: 41
        +1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        First of all, it is necessary to resign the liberal government, and for the will to appear, something extraordinary must be invented to bring this information to the GDP.

        Yeah, but he doesn’t know that. To change the current situation, it is necessary not to change the government, but to change the state system.
        This was said by Stalin on February 4, 1931 in his speech at the First All-Union Conference of Workers of Socialist Industry. And, we can say that in 1941 this task was almost completed, otherwise they would not have won. And now in power is 14 (!) Years of GDP. And there is really no result

        The result was obtained because under socialism every member of society works for the state, for all its citizens, and under capitalism, there is a different philosophy - "I should be fine, and everything else is not my problem."
        When Chkalov's companions flew to the United States, one of the capitalists asked:
        Mr. Chkalov, tell me, are you rich?
        Chkalov: There is nothing.
        Amer: How much?
        Chkalov: 170 million.
        Amer: Rubles or dollars?
        Chkalov: Population. They work for me, and I work for them.
        Therefore, such a jerk turned out.
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    4. Dracula
      Dracula 20 June 2014 21: 50
      +1
      Where is Putin looking? Good will is needed. The story of the good king and evil boyars. Or about the good and evil cops. Turbidity. They all look in the same direction. And liberal ideas were not introduced into the economy for what would be here: mechanical engineering, military-industrial complex, agriculture and jobs.
  4. Ostwind
    Ostwind 20 June 2014 18: 53
    +14
    There were no scientists, engineers, technicians or skilled workers in the 30s. There was no production or energy capacity. But in 1941, a powerful industry emerged in the USSR, capable of creating modern types of weapons at that time. In the agrarian country, a powerful processing complex appeared almost instantly.

    It’s sad to realize that the works of our fathers and grandfathers simply go nowhere
  5. irat
    irat 20 June 2014 18: 58
    +4
    And most importantly: the loss of qualified specialists.
  6. andrei332809
    andrei332809 20 June 2014 18: 59
    +8
    "The destruction of domestic engineering - the result of a conscious policy"

    is the author mocking? this TRUTH is known even to those who have just climbed out of the bosom request
    but that’s why the culprits are still alive and thriving, this is the greatest secret recourse
  7. fly fishing
    fly fishing 20 June 2014 19: 00
    +4
    Advisers advised, that ruined the whole industry and agriculture, left crumbs. It’s time for Gorbachev to answer as a traitor to the Motherland!
  8. vsoltan
    vsoltan 20 June 2014 19: 09
    +19
    Once again, I want to ask - why Chubais, Koch, why are liberals singing hosanna to the late Gaidar? Why didn't they ask Klabanov what LOMO had destroyed - now we buy optics in France and Israel ... a lot of why, a lot of thieves walk on their own islands, and not in prison courtyards ... all these questions - to the Supreme ... he is like and always, "does not want to engage in populism" - as a result, corruption flourishes .... just 10 years ago, "kickbacks" in construction were 20-30%, now - in the Olympics - 60-70! And the construction of stadiums for the inappropriate 2018 championship? Projects alone raised 3 billion more ... why? And how many more will be stolen in Crimea? And if we start investing in Novorossiya? The past in the 90s is a bit dark and there is not enough will ...
    1. assam4
      assam4 21 June 2014 01: 01
      +6
      When Putin said “we don’t abandon ours,” maybe he meant Serdyukov, Chubais and other liberals?
  9. Maksim...
    Maksim... 20 June 2014 19: 10
    +2
    If at the beginning of “market reforms” mineral resources accounted for 43% of exports, nowadays this indicator has exceeded 70%.

    But why, in such cases, does the extractive industry (not only oil and gas) occupy about 10 percent of Russia's GDP?
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 20 June 2014 19: 16
      -1
      It seems more ... specify ...
      1. Maksim...
        Maksim... 20 June 2014 19: 20
        0
        10,9 for 2013, to be precise.
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 20 June 2014 19: 32
          -2
          Perhaps I did not catch up ... is it EXCEPT oil and gas? Or with them? please specify ... in principle, the entire Russian economic balance is easily online ... lazy, however, so if it’s not difficult ... and for your information, climb on the sdelanounas website (done with us) is very curious, Russia , it seems, uncontrollably gets up from his knees ... and already rushed uncontrollably ... like at the end of the 19th century, look, you will not regret ...
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 20 June 2014 20: 09
            +1
            Robots, what are you minus .... you read the remark? Or so, by inertia? What, deny the unprecedented acceleration of the Russian economy at the end of the 19-th, the beginning of the 20-th centuries? Or that the last 20 years all of us have spread rot? Just people breathing ... so a new misfortune has appeared ... What do you minusers do not like? Negative - hell with him, I just want to hear at least some arguments .... some kind of nonsense ...
            1. Shornikov
              Shornikov 20 June 2014 20: 15
              0
              Read the tax code.
          2. Maksim...
            Maksim... 20 June 2014 22: 08
            0
            Perhaps I did not catch up ... is it EXCEPT oil and gas?

            Well, I mean the extraction of any resources.
            Or with them?

            Together.
            crawl on the site sdelanounas (made with us) is very curious

            http://www.sdelanounas.ru/account/Maxim.../ bully
            1. vsoltan
              vsoltan 20 June 2014 22: 53
              +1
              I climbed onto the site ... I found you there, it’s obvious because of my stupidity ... a more specific link, please ...
              1. Maksim...
                Maksim... 20 June 2014 23: 36
                +1
                more specific link please ...

                I don’t know, it works for me. Try searching manually.
    2. anip
      anip 20 June 2014 21: 12
      +1
      Quote: Maxim ...
      If at the beginning of “market reforms” mineral resources accounted for 43% of exports, nowadays this indicator has exceeded 70%.
      But why, in such cases, does the extractive industry (not only oil and gas) occupy about 10 percent of Russia's GDP?

      Export of products and GDP are two different things. Do not find?
      Briefly explain: part of the production goes for export.
  10. Signaller
    Signaller 20 June 2014 19: 10
    +1
    And what can I say when everything is ruled by the INVESTOR ????. But this is not an investor from the state, but a private trader. He does not need a standard payback period of 8 years, as it was under the USSR. Give him everything at once. from here and it is necessary to dance. And loans against government guarantees are laughter and nothing else. Who will take them, because they must be given away. As they always say about loans. "You take someone else's, but you have to give YOURS."
  11. oof
    oof 20 June 2014 19: 13
    +5
    It's time to change the government. Glazyev to the post.
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 20 June 2014 19: 17
      0
      Together with Wasserman and Rogozin - oh!
      1. coolvoldik
        coolvoldik 20 June 2014 19: 48
        0
        - When did your consciousness turn upside down?
        - Starting in the mid-2000s, I began a very serious revision of that part of my picture of the world that relates to the social sciences - economics and politics. And he managed to reveal that liberal political and libertarian economic theories contradict the general theory of systems, that is, they are knowingly doomed to give erroneous recommendations, and these theories cannot, as they say, be finalized with a file in place, but should simply be rejected. Moreover, I can say that in 1996 I published an article, “Communism and the Computer,” which explained why capitalism is more effective than socialism. And exactly 15 years later, in 2011, I published the article “Denial of Denial,” where I showed that starting from 2020-2022 socialism will become more profitable than capitalism in all respects. So, wandering around the political spectrum, I finally returned to the Marxists. And if, say, in 2018 I have to choose in the confrontation between the communist and the protege of the oligarchs, I will choose the communist.
        “WE WILL NOT RESTORE THE FORMER UNION - CREATE A NEW”
        - Not so long ago, Putin, having changed the famous phrase of Churchill, said: “He who does not regret the collapse of the Soviet Union has no heart. He who wants to recreate it in its former form has no head. ” Do not accept these words at your own expense?
        - No. Firstly, I observe with great interest how Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is gradually getting rid of those distant errors, which I myself have been in for quite some time. Secondly, yes, indeed, it is impossible to restore the former Union, and it is not necessary, since we have enriched the experience of that Union and post-Soviet times, and what we will create now will look completely different. Not to mention anything else, I must note that all the known shortcomings of socialism, ultimately, stemmed from the limited capabilities of the then information technologies. The new socialism, which is built precisely on the new generation of information technologies, will be deprived of these shortcomings. Therefore, I do not think at all that we will restore the old Union — we will create a new one.
        Anatoly Vasserman
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 21 June 2014 02: 54
        0
        Quote: vsoltan
        Together with Wasserman and Rogozin - oh!

        Better Zhirinovsky! And then I dream to wash my feet .. in the Indian Ocean wassat And Vladimir Volfovich promised that we will come! laughing
    2. andrei332809
      andrei332809 20 June 2014 19: 21
      +2
      Quote: olf
      Glazyev for the post.

      this is superfluous. you can say one thing in the office, but behave in accordance with personal gain. do not rush to praise, a couple of years ago Ivashov impressed us all, and then gave a roll. so, "not everything is so simple" wink
      py.s. oh, it’s already a saying what
  12. Andrey82
    Andrey82 20 June 2014 19: 21
    +2
    Well, yes, in the same way they destroy non-oil production by pumping money into entertainment and summits, debt obligations of other states. No money left. And if necessary, take it from Western lenders. Hence the constant cry of state. propaganda that the state debt of Russia is declining, but about the debt of our companies that has exceeded 500 billion, is completely silent. Again, the top is implementing the scenario with all its might - Against Russia, at the expense of Russia. Words that liberals in the government are to blame for everything ... Wait a minute, and who forms the government here?
  13. s.bukhonoff
    s.bukhonoff 20 June 2014 19: 23
    +4
    Chubais and other liberal Jews have tried their best. They are trying even now - the entire economic bloc is Jewish-liberal. Putin does not see or does not want to notice it. With Medvedev-Dvorkovichs, there is no need to wait for good. The military-industrial complex will be destroyed - the end of the story ...
    1. saag
      saag 20 June 2014 20: 12
      +5
      Quote: s.bukhonoff
      Putin does not see or does not want to notice.

      He sees everything, he works with the environment, he just somehow said “I don’t give up mine,” and so the close “friend” has his own, the other has his own, and so on, a chain, as a result of this we have a swollen bureaucratic apparatus, confident in his impunity and corruption to match, it is logical in this case to eliminate the root cause
  14. roman72-452
    roman72-452 20 June 2014 19: 32
    +2
    The collapse of everything else also happened purposefully and deliberately, and it is still happening. One is glad that they started talking about it and that means there is a chance that something will change.
  15. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 20 June 2014 19: 36
    +8
    It was not only mechanical engineering that was purposefully destroyed, a country called Russia was destroyed, factories and factories were sold out, research institutes were completely closed, all agriculture was ruined, but I tell you here, you know it yourself, you’ve come to your senses well, stopped in front of a bottomless abyss.
  16. officer29
    officer29 20 June 2014 19: 38
    +6
    For the last 30 years, practically nothing has been created! The last 20 years have only been destroyed! Only in our city lately 3 large enterprises have been irretrievably destroyed: Combine plant, Pressmash, trade equipment plant! The boiler-building plant and a number of other enterprises that produced not just equipment, but high-tech ones have significantly reduced the volume of production and production areas !!! Enterprises survived only to the extent that defense products were produced! The rest of their territory, together with workshops, access roads and equipment, was sold, and the new owners dismantled and sold as scrap metal! There are now warehouses or shopping centers in those places! About non-machine-building enterprises, you can modestly and remain silent! Not one manufacturing enterprise has been built in the city recently, but several large shopping centers! If a country like Russia turns from a manufacturer into a merchant, then "kirdyk and karachun" to the country ...
    1. Ziksura
      Ziksura 20 June 2014 22: 51
      -3
      Quote: officer29
      The last 30 years, virtually nothing has been created! The last 20 years - only collapsed!

      It is almost impossible to find reliable information on the Internet about what is really happening. everything is deliberately clogged with negative from "experts" .... But here's some information for you to think about:
      Last 2013, more than 200 medium and large new industries were opened in Russia, including projects implemented at existing enterprises.
      Among the new factories, workshops and production complexes 107 with an investment volume of 1 billion rubles, 51 launched with the participation of foreign investors, 134 built from scratch.

      And from personal: the enterprise on which I work was built in 2006, a new workshop will be built next year hi
      1. Ziksura
        Ziksura 21 June 2014 00: 59
        -1
        What !!! Minus for specific facts !!!!! In principle, I thought so ... Why do we need facts, even if you report that I saw and participated personally myself !!!! Slogans are more valuable good Why then are we surprised that people believe in mass self-immolation in Odessa ??? Or that the militias of Slavyansk themselves iron their houses from artillery ??? By the way, everywhere "Putin is to blame" ... A coincidence or a scenario of the same authors?
  17. Neighbor
    Neighbor 20 June 2014 19: 45
    0
    You give a color revolution in Washington, I’m ready to give almost new tires from my MTZ-80 to a good cause.
  18. tundra
    tundra 20 June 2014 19: 55
    +5
    Quote: Matroskin 18
    The principle "godfather, matchmaker, brother ..."

    Absolutely right. And all this is served with sauce, an effective manager. One stole, plundered and planted his relatives, dumb as sheep. And then this thief, calls himself an elite. What is not visible on TV are talented designers, engineers of competent workers, polar explorers, and testers. Only nasty stupid faces, brainless, they forbid heels. Yes, this freak on kicks must be taken out of the Duma. Or marsh mutants.
  19. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 June 2014 19: 57
    +1
    Interesting comments. And how long have all the glories of GDP shouted? But let's fantasize, let’s say the GDP will resign tomorrow, who will you vote for? For an iPhone? Here, it’s not even about people, you need to look what they profess. If liberalism and democracy means the collapse of Russia will continue.
    1. saag
      saag 20 June 2014 20: 15
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      But let's fantasize, let’s say the GDP will resign tomorrow, who will you vote for?

      For Zhirinovsky and the Communists, if there is Shoigu, then for him
      1. Deff
        Deff 20 June 2014 21: 05
        0
        Shoigu - they will crush him, his ardor and passion for change has passed (Here a little earlier, when he was still in the Ministry of Emergencies, there is also information about the sores), there is little support in the government.
        Zhirik organize an accident, because such a person with a nuclear button is scary. You have not seen him under a glass, he can wind himself.
  20. pinecone
    pinecone 20 June 2014 20: 02
    0
    Calm down, citizens. RF is a "Great Energy Power".
    1. anip
      anip 20 June 2014 21: 16
      0
      Quote: pinecone
      Calm down, citizens. RF is a "Great Energy Power".

      Only in this case, under the word "energy" the word "raw materials" is veiled.
      1. Ziksura
        Ziksura 20 June 2014 23: 07
        0
        Quote: anip
        Only in this case, under the word "energy" the word "raw materials" is veiled.

        Oh how ???
        Novovoronezh NPP-2. The construction of the first block began in 2007, the second block was laid in 2008.
        Rostov NPP. The construction of the third and fourth power units has begun.
        Leningrad NPP-2 works at the 51st facility of power units No. 1 and No. 2, in which more than 2500 people, 50 cars and 89 special mechanisms are involved.
        Beloyarsk NPP. The shell of the new BN-800 reactor at the Beloyarsk nuclear power plant.
        Baltic NPP. The construction of the Baltic NPP is clearly in accordance with the plan.
        And also:
        in 2011 - the fourth power unit of the Kalinin NPP,
        in 2012 - the first power unit of Novovoronezh NPP-2,
        in 2013 - the first unit of the Leningrad NPP-2,
        in 2014 - the fourth power unit (with a fast neutron reactor) of the Beloyarsk NPP and the third power unit of the Volgodonsk NPP,
        We wait:
        in 2015 - the fourth power unit of the Volgodonsk NPP,
        in 2016 - the second power unit of the Leningrad NPP-2, the second unit of Novovoronezh NPP-2 and the first power unit of the Baltic NPP.
        Already built
        Kalinin NPP - the third power unit
        Rostov NPP - the second power unit
        In addition, the construction of the huge Boguchanskaya hydroelectric station is underway, and the Bureyskaya hydroelectric power station was built. Both were begun under the USSR, but their construction continued only in the 2000s. In the 90s they were abandoned and were not completed.
        Probably missed something. Only who needs "Putin's propaganda" when slogans are thundering. It is long, difficult to reconstruct old and create new production facilities (in which I personally took part in various engineering and managerial positions), and when discussing boring, kayFFF is not the same.
  21. Deff
    Deff 20 June 2014 20: 05
    +2
    "The destruction of domestic engineering - the result of a conscious policy"
    Well, under Yeltsin, a bloc of the domestic elite and managers was created, agreed upon with the State Department and the Tsru. Onet during the time of Yeltsin even periodically went to the State Regional Committee for a report. And the government carousel is still the same. Actually, the main struggle of the patriotic forces is a change of the constitution, sharpened by colonialism and government.
  22. bubla5
    bubla5 20 June 2014 20: 05
    +9
    It is necessary to raise instrumentation and machine tool building, and wages, while there will be a difference between the 3 category of a simple hard worker and the salary of the CEO 40 times or more, what the hell are we going to raise, and most importantly, remove the gaskets of the enterprise, which are framed for bureaucrats and management relatives
  23. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 June 2014 20: 06
    +1
    No elections soon, the deputy reveals the truth to the people, all of a sudden.
    May ask gr. Tyutyukin why such a situation developed, how he resisted and what he is doing to rectify the situation. I think it will be a fascinating story about personal selfless heroism, but enemies are everywhere. Along the way, I am sure, he will not be able to answer a simple question - where did he, his wife and his children get from all the hard work they acquired. And why has he been engaged in the field of aircraft engineering for many years, but the situation is only getting worse, maybe he is "engaged" in something wrong.
  24. domjoly
    domjoly 20 June 2014 20: 32
    +2
    I do not dispute the thesis about the collapse of industry, but in fairness, since the beginning of the reforms, the price of oil in dollars has grown 5-7 times. Not surprisingly, the share of energy exports increased in money.
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 20 June 2014 21: 06
      +1
      domjoly, read your comments on your profile ..

      In particular, this one:

      [b] Why do you think people are actively negative? Are these "kremlebots" hired people to write positive righteous news or are they just stupid? [/ B

      And I was not surprised that the skull ....
      You honestly express your opinion that the stupid crowd of "couch warriors" does not like it .... Perhaps, I also have to go to the skull ... forum / not a site / a little tired ... continuous shouts of "Hurray" ... some children's toys in the form of military stars on the shoulders ... complete nonsense ... and, on the forum, in discussions, there are not so many thoughts ... write down what you put down a "minus" or "plus"? With respect....
      1. domjoly
        domjoly 20 June 2014 21: 22
        +2
        I don’t have to put anything, I’ve been interested in evaluating a very limited circle of people for a long time, and certainly neither the minuses nor the pluses from any site affect my self-esteem-) In any case, thanks for your post
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 20 June 2014 22: 38
          +1
          If you are interested there in the article "the fight for Novorossiya", there is my remark ... hurry up, before I get banned ...
          1. domjoly
            domjoly 20 June 2014 22: 55
            +1
            1. you will not be banned, but I have not been banned-)
            2. No need to worry about how you will be appreciated, live your mind. In the end, we ourselves and the Lord God are the most rigorous in our evaluation.
            3. As my math teacher said at school: the majority opinion is always wrong. Just because people obey herd instincts and the psychology of the crowd makes them follow the path of least resistance.
            1. vsoltan
              vsoltan 20 June 2014 23: 20
              0
              ¡!!!!!! Thank you for your understanding .... and yet I put the second plus for you ... even though you don't care ... :-)
  25. bizhkoyri
    bizhkoyri 20 June 2014 20: 33
    0
    Well, if everything is so bad, then where do we get Migi, Rusks, Pantsiri, S-400. What are they building from Lego constructor ?! And in the 30s, we had scientists and engineers. So the author takes a lot from the wrong basket.
  26. sv68
    sv68 20 June 2014 20: 39
    +2
    that's how the country collapsed and the economy was killed, everyone knows. many know who steals and what happened and where the stolen things happened. units know that they need to urgently raise the economy and restore mechanical engineering. but someone does not know and will not say exactly how and when the talking room and deceit will end and concrete actions will begin to restore the destroyed and plundered country
    1. Deff
      Deff 20 June 2014 20: 52
      +3
      Gee: "No one will give us deliverance - Neither God, nor the king and not the hero, We will achieve liberation. With our own hand."
      What for the ruling elite, something to change, while everything is convenient?
      There is little hope for Putin, since he is old, divorced and daughters are settled, why shouldn't he "be offended for the power"? But in fact, there is no escape from the creation of a party of patriots, headed by Strelkov. The main thing is not to miss and not put some kind of nemtsov-bulk again.
  27. EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 June 2014 20: 43
    +1
    Again, liberalism went whining about the results of their work, which are now being scooped up with difficulty?
  28. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 20 June 2014 20: 49
    +1
    Again, you need to remember the 90s. All fell apart and bought for a devil. Well, for example, with whom were they asked for these arts? Now everything must be built for a new one. We won’t do it now, then we will regret it.
  29. tnk1969
    tnk1969 20 June 2014 20: 51
    +1
    All this is a consequence of the globalization of the economy. And in the global economy there must be units of producers and billions of consumers. And thousands of speculators. And the elite of Russia, both political and economic, smoothly merged into this globalization. And reap its financial benefits. And under the "global" world system there is no place for patriotism and love for the Motherland.
  30. Leksandrych
    Leksandrych 20 June 2014 20: 52
    +1
    You can add here the focus of the media. Product manufacturers are completely forgotten. When we saw the glorification of the inventor, peasant, worker. Where is the prestige of manufacturing workers? Well, what about the movie? You might think we have only cops, journalists and a few doctors.
    1. saag
      saag 20 June 2014 21: 11
      +1
      Well, what did you want from the capitalist system, it will be so until something changes, more precisely the system itself
  31. vsoltan
    vsoltan 20 June 2014 20: 53
    -1
    Quote: Shornikov
    Read the tax code.


    Gee ... I'm a government worker, a state employee .... why should I read it? I pay my 13% ... Let Chubais and Kalomoski read ... carefully!
    1. Shornikov
      Shornikov 20 June 2014 21: 04
      -1
      Clear. I'm not talking about 13%.
      There is still a lot of interesting things about lifting from your knees. At the same time, laws on pension and social deductions also help a lot in the development of agriculture, industry, and the economy as a whole.
  32. Sardykar
    Sardykar 20 June 2014 20: 59
    +1
    So breaking is easy to build hard! I remind you now there is a Russian-Chinese project to create wide-body aircraft! Give time everything will be! Mechanical engineering in the USSR was not built in a year or 2! The peak of development occurred in 70-80 years! With the full support of the state! And now we have democracy and free capital! The state does not have even half the capabilities of the USSR! Now almost everyone with 0 is recovering.
  33. denkastro
    denkastro 20 June 2014 21: 06
    -4
    If someone thinks that nothing has changed in the country in 14 years, then he is either a full deer, or deaf, blind. And there is no need to try here that everything has already happened. Meanwhile, Russia is behaving more and more confidently. ... Well-being is growing (and not according to ratings, but in reality. There is nowhere to put a car, and American feet are no longer taken in stores for the holidays). And let the children go on, but adults who saw what happened in the 90s themselves (when you get a job and they say "salary in half a year"), the lads instead of power and lawlessness everywhere, why are they gnawing? Have they forgotten, or are on assignment trampled on everything achieved by the people. And what if he himself is stupid or lazy, then that the authorities are also to blame. Zadolbali whine, if you want not to fuck up Novorossiya, stomp sign up as a volunteer, do not go shut up in a rag. And crowing is not a man's occupation.
    1. Victoria 1980
      Victoria 1980 20 June 2014 21: 47
      +1
      How tired of this mantra is about how everything is fine with us. Whoever does not understand, let him read that the income of the population is growing for two reasons.
      The first source is tax revenues from trade in raw materials.
      The second source is Russia's demographic problems and, as a result, an increase in demand for labor resources. Salary growth, by the way, is steadily reducing labor productivity and manufacturing enterprises do not have enough resources for technical re-equipment.
  34. Shornikov
    Shornikov 20 June 2014 21: 08
    0
    Quote: Sardykar
    The state does not have even half the capabilities of the USSR! Now almost everyone with 0 is recovering.

    And where, let me ask you those opportunities have disappeared? In privatization drained?
    You will be surprised, but privatization is still ongoing.
  35. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 20 June 2014 21: 14
    +4
    I'll post on
    Vladimir Putin instructed to prepare an analytical note explaining why Rostselmash is more profitable to produce tractor equipment in Canada, and not in his homeland. The expert presented very clear arguments.
    http://www.equipnet.ru/articles/transport/transport_1379.html
    1. Shornikov
      Shornikov 20 June 2014 21: 20
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      Thank you very much for the article. Although nothing new, but all together and in order.
  36. stranik72
    stranik72 20 June 2014 21: 17
    +2
    Quote: herruvim
    Misha and Borya for years have been ruining everything that our fathers and grandfathers did and now you want to restore it all in a nimble way

    Let's not talk about these ghouls. Gorbachev at the helm 6 years of ebn if you count from the age of 91 the 8th and the 14th GDP, so whoever is falling apart is another question.
  37. Volgarr
    Volgarr 20 June 2014 21: 23
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    Already, there are not enough skilled workers, all the vocational schools have been abandoned, and these were quite skilled workers! There were flaws but the bulk of the system worked! And now there are migrant workers everywhere, young people don’t know what to do, hence drunkenness and drug addiction! Free access of Asians to the country contributes to this !!! And only Putin is to blame for this !!! My personal opinion is that he has a good idea! Otherwise, the order in the country would have been restored long ago!
  38. maokim51
    maokim51 20 June 2014 21: 23
    +2
    Dear! Regarding this article, everything is correct and it is not clear who and why puts it - these are probably those who did it. I live in Voronezh, where the VASO plant is located. This plant produced all the latest aircraft, including the TU-144. What we have. Nothing. The design bureaus were destroyed, instead of them the KLA of Mr. Poghosyan. AN-148 was released secretly, so that no one would know, and only at the MAX showed. Continue no strength. You see everything that way. Further it will be worse, because the capitalists need only profit immediately. And how to get it developing plants. So it turns out - the specialists all quit, or became extinct, the youth are not going to work. Less than half of the workers remained. Factory facilities remained 30%. And at the top report, we are the first
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 23 June 2014 00: 03
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      Quote: maokim51
      The design bureaus were destroyed, instead of them the KLA of Mr. Poghosyan. AN-148 was released secretly, so that no one would know

      Oh, don’t make me funny, he is released in secret. The only organizations on this planet that still show interest in this ukrolet are the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Emergencies of the Russian Federation ... even such countries as Cuba and North. Korea, sitting in the sanctions on top of their head, bought these lithaki with money from Ilyushin finance. Summarizing - the only reason why this project is still breathing is the budget of Russia, and because it is necessary to give work to VASO, this AK did not bother any AK.
  39. EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 June 2014 21: 25
    -2
    And the An-148 joint project with Ukraine is almost no longer underway. There remains the notorious Superjet, which at 70-80% consists of imported components.


    Only for this afftor already need to ban nafig.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 20 June 2014 21: 47
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      "Only for this, the author should be banned."
      What is wrong, that almost 90% of components for certain copies (optional) of the Customer imported on the Superjet. I will say more, in the next stage of sanctions we will be left with nothing at all. The engines and the filling of this papelac are not Nashi’s, and where is the industrial safety strategy here. In general, where and what have we created during this time that the whole world gasped. So only lustration of the industrial block of the government together with Example Dimon.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 20 June 2014 23: 27
        +1
        If the customer wishes, they will do at least 100%, it works. You can’t imagine a damn about how Grazhadn’s planes are being made, but nevertheless you’ll get in. They put the best that is in the world. But the An-148, in addition to its uselessness to anyone, is not just an absolutely foreign aircraft, but also an aircraft from a country that in fact kills Russians. So, in principle, there can be no talk of any cooperation with the Ukrainians, they already have everything that can be offered, and An-148 was released to VASO at a loss. Now let them want what they do without us, and we have an SSJ, which for a minute:
        1) Completely Russian development and is going to Russia, so that the share of profit for foreigners from it is not even 50-60%, but much less.
        2) It has orders many times more than ukrolitak, which in Europe was even uncertified and sold only to those who can’t buy normal equipment, and in Russia, almost subsidizing a hostile state.
  40. Victoria 1980
    Victoria 1980 20 June 2014 21: 37
    +2
    Interestingly, adoring Putin, who has been in power for 10 years already, will say this article. Oh yes, I forgot: Putin stopped the theft of resources by the oligarchs! Compare the 90s and our years! We ride like cheese in butter! Who dares to say something about Putin-that eye out!
    Just trading in raw materials is simpler, more reliable, less risky. technological development is a risk and not always obvious profit.
    Back in the day, Kudrin said cynically: “Investing in the Russian economy is risky, so you need to invest in American securities.” And, by the way, he still remains Putin's advisor.
  41. Thompson
    Thompson 20 June 2014 21: 57
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    Quote: vorobey
    Quote: moremansf
    It’s easy to break up, but it’s more difficult to restore ... It began with the 90's, the beginning of the collapse, the enterprises bought up a penny close to EBN, thousands of specialists turned out to survive in the trade, survived vocational education, there was nowhere to prepare workers for specialties, the prestige of an engineer destroyed, began to massively stamp managers and lawyers, began to buy old things over the hill at kickbacks ... as a result, they completely destroyed their own engineering ... but many Russians appeared in the Forbes rating ... Putting it all together is not so easy, it's not trading sneakers, time is needed ...


    completely reposted so that once you read your thought. I’m tired for two years like that. but alas, people are people. Putin is to blame. drinks

    And all the same, demand is not small either! Already for such a time, you can do something in this direction!
    Although, frankly, he doesn’t poke him anywhere, all directions are identical!
  42. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 20 June 2014 21: 58
    +3
    What will, we only wipe ourselves from spitting. The will died in 1953.
  43. Intensive
    Intensive 20 June 2014 21: 59
    +1
    I need 37 years.

    Quote: domjoly
    I don’t have to put anything, I’ve been interested in evaluating a very limited circle of people for a long time, and certainly neither the minuses nor the pluses from any site affect my self-esteem-) In any case, thanks for your post


    From myself I’ll say that cons are not a problem, the main thing is to voice such thoughts so that an impression of despondency is not created, so that people see not only the slogans of United Russia, but also people worrying about the heritage of their ancestors.
  44. Saireg
    Saireg 20 June 2014 23: 01
    -2
    Hmm, this is how "urapatriots" merge into "uramyvselyipotomuchtoputinovat"
    1. Victoria 1980
      Victoria 1980 21 June 2014 03: 42
      +1
      So the fact of the matter is that in our country Putin is responsible for everything. He has unlimited power in his hands, so there are all claims to him. And if so, then let him be responsible for everything.
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  46. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 20 June 2014 23: 34
    +1
    <<< The only thing we lack is the state will. >>>
    Yes, there is not enough will, determination to send completely discredited liberal Western "spill" ideas in the economy, education and upbringing and other spheres of life to a landfill together with the implementers of these ideas, their supporters, "effective managers" who can only steer cash flows, not forgetting about yourself loved ones! All this trash has become very firmly established everywhere during the years of rampant freedoms in the desire to please the West and integrate into its coordinate system!
  47. Saireg
    Saireg 20 June 2014 23: 59
    0
    Go neo-Eurasianism and a mixed planned economy? Or do you have some other solution?

    Yes, yes, continue to minus me, but keep in mind that despite the cynicism and nihilism of my posts, I still love Russia ...
  48. understudy
    understudy 21 June 2014 00: 03
    +1
    "The highest measure of social protection" ... there was such a sanction for ... And for sabotage and for sabotage ... Under the current conditions, for non-fulfillment of a defense order, for the presence of various kinds of machinations in the production of weapons, she could play her positive educational impact. As the "Churovites" calculated earlier - with a 146% result. I'm sure! And the obligatory confiscation of illegally acquired property, from which "our servants of the people" of various levels are stubbornly discarded. Bo murlo down to the very lower limb. Here they are not "universal human values" decree.
  49. Aaleks1974
    Aaleks1974 21 June 2014 00: 13
    +1
    The owners of the enterprise, as a worker at a machine plant, are destroying production, I can clearly see that. Easy come, easy go, this is the slogan of the majority of owners of medium-sized enterprises. Money is invested anywhere but not in the development of the plant ... Sadly ...
  50. Saireg
    Saireg 21 June 2014 00: 30
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    That is, to expand the powers of the FSB to the level that the KGB or the NKVD had, in principle, yes, it can help someone who needs to shorten their greedy hands)