Marshal Yazov spoke against the entry of Russian troops into the territory of the DNR and the LC

The penultimate Minister of Defense of the USSR, Marshal Yazov, states that Russia should not send troops into the territory of eastern Ukraine. If Russia takes this step, this, according to Dmitry Yazov, could lead to a new world war. Yazov expressed such words at the All-Army meeting of reserve officers, held in the Russian capital. About this story Interfax.

Dmitry Yazov is the only living marshal of the Soviet Union. It was Yazov, who at one time supported the Emergency Committee, gave the order to enter tanks to Moscow in August 1991. Later, the actions of the GKChP Yazov called obvious stupidity, which should not be repeated.

Meanwhile, the border control of the FSB of the Russian Federation in the Rostov region reports that the situation near the Russian border is becoming more tense. Shooting is audible. There is information about large quantities of Ukrainian armored vehicles in close proximity to the border with Russia.

Comments

[Dazdranagon]

If Russia takes such a step, then this, according to Dmitry Yazov, could lead to a new world war

- with all due respect - but this is insanity. No one will fight with Russia over Ukraine.

[Natalia]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- with all due respect - but this is insanity. No one will fight with Russia over Ukraine.

This is first .........
And secondly, leave Ukraine to whom? Bendera, on this junta, on American corporations? ...you can not do it this way.

[lenamir]

..what are all smart !!! no insanity !!!! the right thing is saying ...

[kashtak]

and what? I didn’t notice something. GKChP where he was one of the main did everything to disrupt negotiations on a new union agreement then. and now, you see, he’s afraid of ending the war in Ukraine. comments are unnecessary. would be silent better

[izGOI]

GKChP-last attempt to save the USSR

[Patton5]

With this marshal, they passed everything that could be passed. This is a marshal of defeat, even a coup, and that is about ... al. So, he is the last one worth listening to ...

[larand]

Quote: Patton5

With this marshal, they passed everything that could be passed. This is a marshal of defeat, even a coup, and that is about ... al. So, he is the last one worth listening to ...

But this marshal, like the entire military elite of the USSR, swore allegiance to the country and the Soviet people. And in 1991, when they destroyed SovSoyuz, they all ran into the bushes, their ass ... more expensive.

[Patton5]

Recall everything that happened with him ... He would have to get into the deepest, darkest hole, and die there with shame, but he is without conscience and honor, for me the name Yazov is akin to a swear word.

[rasputin17]

For me, the name Yazov is akin to a swear word.

Like Gorbachev !!! Still this spotty geek is left to listen !!

[mark2]

And he already spoke out. About the same spirit

[Reserve officer]

As a front-line soldier, the senior lieutenant is worthy of respect. But he is not a politician. And not his time now, he profiled his own.

[Skif83]

Let’s say that everything was handed over completely not with him and not with his submission. And it’s indecent to water someone who started in WWII.
Start with Gorby ...

[mark2]

And what did he say correctly? Is this about World War? It's all bullshit. There, in the West, there are few niggas! World War is not for you to play "Warcraft"! This is a decline in the standard of living of all citizens, except for the ruling elite. This is the Restriction on the supply of consumer goods, this is the transition of the economy to a war footing, this is the tightening of regimes, the restriction of freedom, and radical, this is commanding hours and constant round-ups in search of unwanted people. This is death and endless coffins or funerals. And so on, so on, so on.
But at the expense of Yazov ... It is not for him to put forward his own judgments. A man who could not defend his state could not order the tanks to crush the liberal bastard in 1991 and those sheep who believed them, who succumbed to American propaganda, saying that they are stronger, who did not believe in the power of their army and country, is not even worthy attention. Let him live out his life in his state house. God be his judge.

[Lieutenant SA]

Brothers, the worst thing is that neither the West nor the United States will fight on their own, it will be the hands of "those who like to fight" many hydrocyphalics in the world. So everything will be fine with them in terms of life.

[tol100v]

Quote: Natalia

...you can not do it this way.

THE RUSSIAN BORDER IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT. AND FOR THIS, THERE IS POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, MILITARY, AND OTHER MEANS THAT YOU NEED TO COME IN ACTION!

[Tatar 174]

Quote: Tol100v

THE RUSSIAN BORDER IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT. AND FOR THIS, THERE IS POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, MILITARY, AND OTHER MEANS THAT YOU NEED TO COME IN ACTION!

You're right! It is necessary to help with volunteers, weapons, money and all that is necessary, but troops cannot be brought in in any case, and not because we are afraid of war, no! It’s just that while there will be no benefit from this, even if we cleanse the whole of Ukraine from Bandera and other mercenaries, ps and the National Guard, our country’s people are not ready for this, have not ripened ... Their brains are already stuck ... if, first clean themselves.

[Plastun]

Et, yes, otherwise the occupation will succeed, and not liberation, people will get angry at all and there will be a guerrilla war, but already with us ...

[SS68SS]

Quote: Dazdranagon

with all due respect - but this is insanity

Age must be respected, listen to what old and wise people say, take into account their experience, but act according to existing realities .... If you are beaten on the right cheek, turn the left one, but only in order to adequately respond with an uppercut ...

[portoc65]

Dimych is a war with Russia, on the territory of Ukraine .. If it cannot be stopped, Russia will also burn.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: portoc65

this is a war with Russia in Ukraine

- that’s why Putin’s silence scares me ...

[portoc65]

Quote: Dazdranagon

Quote: portoc65

this is a war with Russia in Ukraine

- that’s why Putin’s silence scares me ...

It scares me too. It really excites me .. the only consolation is the thought that we don’t know something and he is doing everything right. I watched Matvienko, when they squeezed Crimea, she screamed from the rostrum, we don’t leave our own. but the day before yesterday it’s the opposite, we should not get involved in a war that is being imposed on us .. I don’t understand something ... how much more blood is needed. Or will everything be decided diplomatically? Are there diplomats in Dill?

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: portoc65

Are there diplomats in Dill?

- there is. For carrying documents, black ones!

[Grbear]

Enough is enough hysteria. The military operation lasts 12 hours, it’s involved, almost all of Ukraine’s military gathering, but victory reports are not heard. A little more active day in the war, and nothing more.

[FANTOM-72]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- that’s why Putin’s silence scares me ...

Just wonder, maybe it will become clearer?


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[herruvim]

What do you want from a 91 year old man

[Natalia]

Quote: herruvim

What do you want from a 91 year old man

This old man, this respected military officer, is a marshal after all, but this says a lot. But the other question is that it’s impossible to let down Bendery and fascists such crimes and outright rudeness. For which, incidentally, are the interests of the United States.
The answer is obvious, now it’s already necessary to introduce troops ...

[tol100v]

FAST EVERYTHING IS NOT TIME.

[Predator]

But you can scare! Let the rush slip (supposedly from the top) that the Russian Federation has created a shock fist and will now officially, by all international standards, declare war on Ukraine in order to return our grandmothers (oh, the West understands that the money is sacred to them) ! I think half will run away, and the other about piss!

[Vasek]

Quote: Natalia

The answer is obvious, now it’s already necessary to introduce troops ...

There are many ways to pat the Ukrainian army even without sending troops - from introducing a no-fly zone to rocket attacks from its territory (Israel can be!).
Also, all-round support of Donbass will not be considered direct aggression: weapons, ammunition, volunteers, etc.
But this requires political decisions, and there are specialists smarter than us, and they decide which move is more appropriate.

[pilot8878]

"... before missile strikes from its territory (Israel can do it!)."
What is the accuracy of rocket attacks? Such strikes could damage civilians. This in itself is unacceptable, and it will also give rise to the accusation of genocide. And here
"... all-round support for Donbass: with weapons, ammunition, volunteers, etc." - yes! It is high time to provide support across the open border, including with heavy equipment and military. specialists. Someone may remember that a couple of months ago I was against arming the population, but that was BEFORE Odessa, before the shelling of MLRS and cannon artillery of peaceful neighborhoods, and indeed, a lot of things have changed ...

[hoard]

Quote: Natalia

The answer is obvious, now it’s already necessary to introduce troops ...

With the first phrases - I agree 100%. But why - "obvious"? Not obvious to the RF Security Council, but is it obvious to you? It's strange.

[kashtak]

"It is not obvious to the Security Council of the Russian Federation, but is it obvious to you? It is strange." Natalia, do not share the revelation that it is obvious to the Security Council of the Russian Federation, otherwise people only express their opinion, there is no accurate information, but you probably know?

[hoard]

Quote: Natalia

The answer is obvious, now it’s already necessary to introduce troops ...

With the first phrases - I agree 100%. But why - "obvious"? Not obvious to the RF Security Council, but is it obvious to you? It's strange.

[Natalia]

She just read it, Rasmussen is already indignant at the poor fellow ....

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said several thousand Russian troops were found near the eastern border of Ukraine. It is reported by Reuters. “We are seeing an increase in Russian military power on the Ukrainian border,” Rasmussen said. According to the NATO Secretary General, this is a "step back" in international relations and may have strategic consequences. “Russia retains the possibility of open intervention in Ukraine.

[Dracula]

Whatever Russia does, after the Crimea, it will always, in the eyes of the West, be an aggressor. Maybe it’s time to score on the opinion of America’s puppets, and take up their interests. Genocide must be stopped. After all, this is not fraternal, but one people with us. Maybe it's for the Kremlin they are fraternal people? Then I have a question: Who is in the Kremlin? Whose people?

[kashtak]

the chorus on Russian aggression began almost before the Maidan. this alone proves why everything was started. and does not stop all so why be afraid? take into account but not be afraid

[mark2]

No problem. We will gather our forces and introduce troops, according to the Netherlands)

[Bayonet]

Quote: Natalia

The answer is obvious, now it’s already necessary to introduce troops ...

Hearing calls for war from a woman is at least strange. Do you have children?

[does it]

Quote: herruvim

What do you want from a 91 year old man

Quote: herruvim

What do you want from a 91 year old man

This "old man" at one time warned with a group of officers. About the inadmissibility of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Germany. And he was right!

[makst83]

I agree! Moreover, Dmitry Timofeevich showed his "determination and initiative" in August 91!

[Artyom]

this marshal sent the USSR, it’s not his advice to give!

[Lord of the Sith]

Near Lugansk, a co-editor and a sniper were captured.

[N.Zero]

looks like an active lesbian

[gunter_laux]

Quote: N.Zero

looks like an active lesbian

Sorry, I’m a city! Look carefully again - this is a professional with good combat experience!

[N.Zero]

Quote: gunter_laux

Sorry, I’m a city! Look carefully again - this is a professional with good combat experience!

it is compatible .... (professionalism and lesbianism)

[figter]

Some kind of hemaphrodite. Obviously, her head is not all right. He behaves unnaturally, tries to stay with dignity and impress with his judiciousness, which is a sign of fear.

[Vorodis_vA]

she drank ... she is a professional ... felt slack ... gave the floor .. it was necessary as in purgatory .. a little bit

[His]

Ukrainian FEMEN

[BOB044]

According to the law of wartime, regardless of the floor, she knew what was going on.

[Horde]

Quote: Sith Lord

Near Lugansk, a co-editor and a sniper were captured.

to the wall piss ...

[rasputin17]

Quote: Horde

Quote: Sith Lord

Near Lugansk, a co-editor and a sniper were captured.

to the wall piss ...

Too simple and humane for her !! Hang upside down and with a checker cut into two half carcasses of the sternum !!!

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Sith Lord

Near Lugansk, a co-editor and a sniper were captured.

To the wall

[mamont5]

Quote: Dazdranagon

If Russia takes such a step, then this, according to Dmitry Yazov, could lead to a new world war

- with all due respect - but this is insanity. No one will fight with Russia over Ukraine.

Of course, they won’t fight, but shit will pour out ... And the Americans will be happy.

[WKS]

Quote: SS68SS

Age must be respected, listen to what old and wise people say, take into account their experience, but act according to existing realities ....

The older the person, the more careful and conservative they are in making decisions. The future is not given to predict to anyone living. Any decision is always a risk. Life is not a chessboard, but even in chess, grandmasters sometimes cannot figure out all the options and take risks. One thing is clear if Bandera will block the border of New Russia will fall. This means that for a long time we will receive on our border an aggressive enemy well-sponsored from the United States.

[made13]

Because of Ukraine, no. Ukraine is an occasion, and there will be enough people who want to fight with Russia.

[222222]

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... by the way, Israel is a nuclear power up to 200 BG and 3 types of delivery vehicles ..

[222222]

God, who commanded us ?????

[Horde]

the infamous lies, what would MARSHAL OF THE SOVIET UNION YAZOV merge UKRAINE? he is not Putin ...

[de_monSher]

I don’t have a very good attitude towards Dmitry Timofeevich, and it was precisely because he behaved so uninitially and toothlessly in the State Emergency Committee, but in this matter he was right at all 200 percent. The entry of troops by Russia into the territory of Ukraine is - casus belli in its purest form. Crimea will be "forgiven" for you. They will creak, threaten, but resign themselves. The east of Ukraine is not.

[Horde]

Quote: de_monSher

The entry of troops by Russia into the territory of Ukraine is - casus belli in

you seem not russian? Well, your case is the tenth and no one asks your opinion ...

[Tatarus]

Quote: de_monSher

Crimea will be "forgiven" for you

Who is this for us? So you are not with us? With whom?

[jovanni]

... "Crimea will still be" forgiven "for you. They will creak, threaten, but humble themselves. East of Ukraine - no"
You probably won't understand, but the question is not whether someone will forgive us Crimea or not. We don't give a damn about this "someone", to put it mildly. The main thing is that we will not forgive ourselves for inaction! And no one has ever "forgiven" Russia. We are used to it. For over a thousand years.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: de_monSher

Crimea will be "forgiven" for you. They will creak, threaten, but humble themselves. East of Ukraine - no

“Are you and Bogoslovskaya not related?” She shouted the same thing about Crimea before the referendum in Crimea!

[222222]

Well, what are you ... Yazov’s statement as a means of strategic misinformation of the Ukrainian General Staff ..

[Alekseev]

Quote: Dazdranagon

with all due respect - but this is insanity.

Marshal Yazov is far from Bonopart.
Honest campaigner - yes, but he was never a "smart mind". They say he wrote poetry, however, mostly obscene. Currently, he is an elderly person and is most consistent with the definition that he gave himself when he was a member of the State Emergency Committee (old d ...)

[Vasek]

Quote: Alekseev

Marshal Yazov is far from Bonopart.
Honest campaigner - yes, but he was never a "smart mind".

And MO, in comparison with Ustinov and Grechko, he was somehow no ...
But, as said above - the elders must be treated with respect.

[His]

Therefore, the State Emergency Committee pissed away listening to people like Yazov. "Kats offers to surrender"

[Andersen68]

And no one will fight, there is a reason to declare the country an aggressor. Is there: https: //vk.com/public70163381? Z = video-70163381_169009987% 2Ff9c8fb16394a9838f
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These are not empty words, comments Vladimir Pyakin, KOB.

[222222]

Rostislav Ischenko, President of the Center for Systems Analysis and Forecasting
"AFTER UKRAINE
Thu., June 19, 2014
Rostislav Ishchenko Photo: Rostislav Ishchenko
Today we can accept two statements as axiomatic:

1. The cessation of hostilities in Ukraine in the foreseeable future is impossible without external intervention.
2. The Ukrainian state in its current form is not viable either politically or economically. ""
.................................................. .....

http://actualcomment.ru/politics/1321/

[222222]

.. ".. As a result, the number of victims is growing, and with it mutual bitterness and dehumanization of the enemy are growing. Today they have already reached the limit beyond which reconciliation is possible only in the event of a division of the state. However, official Kiev declared its goal in the war to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine, which leaves him no choice.Consent to consider the issue of independence of at least two rebellious regions will be viewed by supporters of the Kiev government as a betrayal and may lead to its overthrow.

Consequently, for both sides there remains one way to achieve peace - victory in the war. Given the fact that the potential of the South-East already now (in the DPR / LPR format) is 7 million people (which allows you to wage war for years), and with the joining of the uprising of neighboring regions (which is quite realistic), the potentials of the opposing sides will at least equalize , the solution of the conflict by the victory of one of the parties (without huge human and material losses) also seems unlikely.

Thus, the idea of ​​external international intervention was actualized in order to stop the conflict and prevent a humanitarian catastrophe (which is already beginning) has already become relevant. Moreover, not only Russia, but perhaps not so much Russia, is interested in it, but also Europe (the latter more and more every day).

Firstly, because the Ukrainian crisis strikes at the economic interests of the EU countries. Ukraine practically provoked the next gas war with Russia, and in the course of such conflicts, before, it always used Russian gas for its own needs, passing through Ukrainian pipelines to Europe. The EU has no doubt that the Ukrainian authorities will do the same in this case. In addition, through Ukraine, the transit of any other goods has virtually ceased, which also affects the interests of suppliers, consumers and freight carriers of the EU countries. Finally, the American demands to strengthen sanctions against Russia, which potentially inflict more damage to the European Union than the Russian Federation, hang over the EU with a sword of Damocles.

Secondly, because the television picture from the civil war zone, which is becoming a humanitarian catastrophe zone, is actively distributed through the European media and reaches the average consumer of information, forming an anti-war social movement. At the same time, the social movement is joining in with businesses that are putting pressure on politicians in order to prevent the expansion of sanctions.

Thirdly, Europe is not at all interested in the further expansion of the civil war in Ukraine, for which it not only bears moral responsibility (the coup in Kiev took place "under the guarantees" of the foreign ministers of Poland, Sweden and the FRG, acting on behalf of the entire EU), but and is experiencing specific economic losses.
..

[222222]

Fourthly, there is growing public support for those politicians and parties who advocate Euro-skepticism and have a positive attitude towards strengthening relations with Russia, which has been convincingly demonstrated by the recent European Parliament elections.

All this quickly brings Europe closer to understanding the need for joint intervention with Russia in order to stop the military stage of the conflict. Note that the separation and disarmament of the warring parties (without significant casualties from the peacekeepers) is possible only in such a Russian-European format. The same format provides the international legal legalization of the operation. Even if the US is against the adoption of the relevant Security Council resolution, they will not be able to interfere with the operation, but will only fix their discord with the EU.

However, peacekeepers will also have to take on the economic stabilization of those territories that they will control. At the same time, it will be about economic recovery, since a simple injection of money is counterproductive - it accustoms the population to dependency, does not lead to a real improvement in the situation, and, moreover, it constantly requires spending more and more money. Consequently, the economic development of the Ukrainian territories, which find themselves in the zone of responsibility of Russia and in the zone of responsibility of the EU, will go in diverging directions. Given the deep political and ideological contradictions between the population of the West and the East of Ukraine, their gradual but quick reorientation to different economic integration projects, coupled with the control of different territories by the police forces of different states, the inability to restore the unity of Ukraine will quickly move from the military-political plane to the systemic plane : economic, financial, legal.

Actually, the whole complexity of the political settlement immediately following the military lies in two things:
1. From a practical point of view, it will be necessary to state the complete failure of Ukrainian statehood and the need to abolish it. At the same time, the interests of global political stability and traditional diplomacy will oppose the sudden liquidation of one of the largest European states.
2. Political and ideological preferences of the population do not coincide with the geopolitical expediency of the post-Ukrainian borders.

[222222]

About two-thirds of the territory and population of Ukraine in the Southeast and West tend to be included in neighboring states (Southeast - Novorossia seeks to return to Russia, the West - Galicia seeks to integrate into the EU, and today it is possible only if these territories enter to Poland). Finally, Central Ukraine with Kiev (Little Russia), with all its European integration aspirations, is nevertheless striving to maintain its own statehood. The problem, however, is that within the framework of Little Russia, Ukraine cannot exist economically, and the preservation of the entire array of Ukrainian lands in a single state is impossible from the point of view of the military-political (the parties to the civil war are no longer ready for this and every day the continuation of the confrontation will be ready less and less).

Thus, the problem of a political settlement in Ukraine lies in the contradiction between the current international law, the geopolitical interests of external participants in the process, the interests and ideological preferences of the actual Ukrainian citizens compactly living in three large regions (South-East, Center and West) and the possibilities of financial and economic ensuring the existence of Ukrainian statehood, even in a truncated form.

From the point of view of the international legal legitimacy of the settlement process, it would be advisable to hold referendums on political self-determination in all regions of Ukraine, and then implement the voters ’decision.

However, this will mean that Ukraine will split into two or three parts. New Russia will unambiguously speak out either for joining Russia, or (in case of impossibility) for independent statehood and joining the Customs Union, the EAEU and other integration entities created by Russia in the post-Soviet space. Galicia may advocate integration into the EU by joining the EU member state, or it will form an independent state together with Central Ukraine (the latter is less likely, since with the loss of New Russia, Kiev becomes an unattractive asset for Lvov, providing control over the Southeast and redistribution of financial flows in favor of Western Ukraine, and a burden that must be maintained). In any case, the Center will want to maintain state independence and this will be the main problem, since the implementation of this desire means that in about a third of Ukrainian territories it will be necessary to create a financially and economically insolvent state, besides resenting its neighbors for tearing away the lands that it will consider to be its own .

In this regard, from a practical point of view, the liquidation of Ukraine with the division of its entire territory between neighbors seems more real. True, it also has its pitfalls, in particular, the line for passing the future border, as well as the method and format of international legal legitimization of the liquidation of the UN founding state. However, if a Russian-European consensus is reached, these issues are resolved.

Thus, today the "key" to the Ukrainian crisis, which the Americans and Europeans have been looking for in Moscow for so long, is clearly located in Brussels. As soon as the EU ripens to readiness to resolve the Ukrainian crisis together with Russia, other issues (both military and political) are resolved (some faster, some slower). If Europe does not ripen before the fall, then it is possible that by the beginning of spring 2015 we will have to think not only about the Ukrainian, or not at all Ukrainian, but about the European settlement.

Rostislav Ischenko, President of the Center for Systems Analysis and Forecasting

[Suhov]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- with all due respect - but this is insanity. No one will fight with Russia over Ukraine.

Possible.
But this is an assumption, but where are the guarantees?
Yet again.
Responding to a special enemy operation by a military operation is not entirely reasonable.
I personally think so ...
There are more effective methods.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Sukhov

Respond to an adversary’s special operation by military operation

This special operation is not carried out by troops or what?
Yes, there is the whole combat-ready part of the Banderlozh army!
But of course, it is necessary to answer not with the introduction of troops, but with nighttime strikes of the WTO (quietly, neatly, but strongly) and the massive supply of modern weapons and ammunition. But do not forget the old experience: in particular, the massive use of anti-tank and anti-tank mines paralyzes the movement of Banderloz army columns.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: Sukhov

Possible.
But this is an assumption, but where are the guarantees?

- in 2008 no one did anything!

Quote: Sukhov

There are more effective methods.

- I agree, and I hope they are already in action!

[Skif83]

Duck is fighting not because of the outskirts, but EXACTLY with Russia! Remember the 39-41st, Hitler also did not immediately attack. The very outskirts do not need anyone for nothing. And they will fight, in such a situation that only the war will write off its external debt of $ 60 trillion, and only the war will level the situation with green candy wrappers.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Dazdranagon

No one will fight with Russia over Ukraine.

May be. But the Americans want to arrange a second Afghanistan for us, or, as they put it, "Vietnam for the Russians," forgetting that we won Vietnam!
The world "community" already now, after the Crimea, is trying to hang all the dead dogs on us, comparing it with Germany in the 40s. We don't need this. Let's try to solve the problem without abrupt gestures. Well, if it doesn't work out, then ... THE LAST CONTRACT OF THE KINGS!

[andrejwz]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- with all due respect - but this is insanity.

Not insanity, but a chronic ostrich disease. Spineless. Gorbachev said he would withdraw the troops from the RA - he withdrew, the GKChP also performed. With all due respect, he has long since lost the right to give advice.

[Horn]

With all due respect, but the war against Russia never stopped. It was just that the phases were hot, cold, informational. Now the matter is again going to the hot phase. We want it, or we don’t want it, but Russia, as an independent state, as an independent state, is a bone in the throat.

[MBA78]

if you think that the pandora’s box was opened by America, you are mistaken ...
but the fact that she is doing everything so that Russia opens this box is a fact ...
so if the yankees want war let them open the box first

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: Horn

With all due respect, but the war against Russia never stopped. It was just that the phases were hot, cold, informational

- I mean just the hot phase!

[Natalia]

Marshal Yazov states that Russia should not send troops into eastern Ukraine. If Russia takes such a step, then this, according to Dmitry Yazov, could lead to a new world war.

But if this is not done, then the USA will use Ukraine as they want. Moreover, this is a clear loss of Russia's authority. The choice between shame and death ...

[frostof63]

Ukraine is already used and has by the United States and the EU, and not everything is so smooth in the DPR and LPR, the people have not risen, few are fighting, the majority are sitting out or for Kiev, so who is there to fight for ??? for whom our guys will go under the bullets ???, and the Ukrainians will start up, their propaganda and without the presence of our troops infected with hurray-patriotism, and God forbid, our soldiers really cross the border, there will be a general ecstasy ... this is what our "friends" are just waiting for, open military confrontation there will definitely be, well, and the sanctions ... I think they will be very serious. khokhlov that we had before we lost, and not now, but when we calmly watched as Banderovshina was spreading across Ukraine

[vostok1982]

What kind of death? Do you think Americans will launch rockets because of a chumpy guy from the Carpathian mountains who imagines himself to be Hitler’s heir? With each day of delay, Russia is increasing the list of victims. No one is risking anything, all Svidomo activists have long been in pencil and can be transplanted or sent to Poland in a few days.

[Natalia]

Quote: vostok1982

What kind of death? Do you think Americans will launch rockets because of a chumpy guy from the Carpathian mountains

Here, all the more ...

[FANTOM-72]

Quote: vostok1982

No one is risking anything, all Svidomo activists have long been in pencil and can be transplanted or sent to Poland in a few days.

18.06.14. Message from the militia.

"The junta is putting into operation 15 tanks a day and 30 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. In a month there will be another 500 tanks and 1000 combat vehicles in service. And they do it in Kharkov."

Svidomo activists put armor on the move? Or pravoseki that carob from the crown can not be distinguished? Or specialists zapadentsy?

Does this population of the east. Or do they not know who this armor will go to iron?

[portoc65]

Well, yes .. they’ll make peacekeeping troops and make one big Natto base .. With the Crimea, it’s broken. The Yankees have already laid eyes on Odessa ....

[tol100v]

Quote: Natalia

. The choice between shame and death ...

Isn’t it too early?

[tol100v]

Quote: Natalia

then the US uses Ukraine as they want

So it is used, as the last ...

[I am a Russian]

"But if this is not done, then the United States will use Ukraine as it wants."

mattress toppers and so "have" Ukraine in different ways. Most of the Ukrainian population took the observer position. They don't care who wins, as long as the trouble is bypassed, and the rest does not care.
Part defends their interests, part of the population left Ukraine.

Only one thing remains unchanged - Russia is to blame for all the mistakes committed by Ukraine.

[Kite]

Quote: Natalia

The choice between shame and death ...

Natalie, you push on emotions for what purpose?

[portoc65]

And to enter badly and not to introduce badly .. A solution is needed .. Such a solution is to dump the junta .. The borders are open — armored small arms .. tanks ... Let them scream to the whole world .. Donbass is in blood. Heroes militias .. Hold on to of the latter. Something else needs to be done .... scary to imagine ...

[Natalia]

Quote: portoc65

And Enter badly and not enter badly ..

Enter badly and not enter ANOTHER WORSE. I would say so. Now this is obvious ...

[saag]

Quote: Natalia

Enter badly and not enter ANOTHER WORSE.

Well, in this case, it’s not troops, but military equipment

[Natalia]

Quote: saag

Well, in this case, it’s not troops, but military equipment

A play on words.
After all, we don’t have all the unmanned vehicles ... people are also sitting at the vehicles.
This is, firstly, and secondly, our GRU special forces, speckled berets, paratroopers ... here my dad considers them key in local conflicts.

[Artyom]

yeah .... terminators!

[mamont5]

Quote: saag

Well, in this case, it’s not troops, but military equipment

But it used to be. Without people, technology is dead.

[tol100v]

Quote: saag

Well, in this case, it’s not troops, but

And THAT NEEDS!

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Natalia

Enter badly and not enter ANOTHER WORSE.

Natalia Before the introduction of troops, you can apply a whole bunch of things, from the ban on the import of Ukrainian goods to completely block the borders of railways and air traffic + thoroughly pinch Europe with the same thing. But the fact that they do not bother

[Natalia]

Quote: Ruslan67

Before the introduction of troops, you can apply a whole bunch of things, from the ban on the import of Ukrainian goods to completely block the borders of railways and air traffic + thoroughly pinch Europe with the same thing. But the fact that they do not bother

no no no ... everything is already.
Now I am categorically opposed to procrastination .... now the troops, no-fly zone, Iskander, Su-34, GRU special forces, etc. ... while we play here to ban goods, there are fewer militias.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Natalia

Iskander, Su-34, GRU special forces, etc ...

And we have so many of them after Serdyukov and K frolic You will have to enter t-72 and BTR-80 + bmp-2. The same rake only on a different scale. And the population has not yet been decided

[def89]

Enter? There are lives behind every step !! Verified Chechnya. If you can’t enter officially, it’s necessary as in Spain! Experience of fighting, like a fool wrappers, but his wife is 3 years in hospitals! My heart bleeds when you watch the news, and online, and not by the box. I crossed myself and went to church when I found out that my son had come to serve in the Strategic Missile Forces! I don’t want him to go through everything that I or my grandfather went through. If you have your own children, you will understand!

[Corsair]

Quote: Ruslan67

But the fact that they do not do this is annoying

And do not minimum already two months ...
After all, it takes time for the sanctions to "affect" in any way.
You can enter them now, but what's the point ??? The fascists, from the moment they were brought in to the "beginning of their action", will CLEARLY crush the Donbass ...

[tol100v]

Quote: Ruslan67

But the fact that they do not do this is annoying

The potato is rotten, the chicken is not ripened, the fat is not greasy, and so on the whole list from Geyrotzhopy.

[Bayonet]

Where there are not enough brains, fists are used.

[portoc65]

I just have a physical heartache already..they are driving out the Russian-speaking population to Russia .. whoever remains, they want to pass through the filter for loyalty .. this is some kind of nonsense .. in our prison ... The genocide of the Russian people ... It is cut for all of us- who considers himself Russian

Quote: Natalia

Quote: portoc65

And Enter badly and not enter badly ..

Enter badly and not enter ANOTHER WORSE. I would say so. Now this is obvious ...

[def89]

Would YOU let your son go?

[atalef]

Quote: Natalia

Enter badly, not enter ANOTHER WORSE

Listen to the woman, she knows what she is saying.

[Vasek]

Quote: atalef

Listen woman

and do the opposite.

[Natalia]

Quote: Vasek

and do the opposite.

[Vasek]

Quote: Natalia

This is a long-standing wisdom, not I came up with.
But I checked - it works!

[Corsair]

Quote: Vasek

and do the opposite.

This is in everyday life, and not always ...

Try it, do it "the other way around" or "your way"

[Kodar 75]

He knows better! I think he is right!

[Yellow white]

Well, h.r.e. knows him!
Judging by the actions of the marshal, the oddity is still one, although he is also obliged to fulfill orders (of the same ...)
But the situation is already tense, not just to the limit .. enough already.
The winners are not judged and the "junta" knows it, but we seem to have forgotten.

[Yaks]

We must take a chance and send troops. Neither NATO nor Tan are ready for war ...

[portoc65]

It’s necessary not to bring in troops, but to give the militia with the mountain all that is needed .. a lot of people will rise, there’s nothing to fight ..

Quote: yaks

We must take a chance and send troops. Neither NATO nor Tan are ready for war ...

[tol100v]

Quote: portoc65

We must take a chance and send troops. Neither NATO nor Tan are ready for war ..

This is not a poker game, people are here. And moreover, Our People. This game is not a fool. In my opinion, when the time comes (M, H, N), then ALL AND WILL BE EXPLAINED!

[Ilik]

A new world war is already underway. And we are retreating again. To where only it is not clear we will retreat? To the Urals?

[roman72-452]

One must act more subtly than introduce regular military units.

[flSergius]

It was Yazov, who at one time supported the GKChP, who ordered tanks to enter Moscow in August 1991.

It's a pity it didn’t work out. Participants of the Berezinsky drinking party to the wall

[kelevra]

Of course, I’m not against Yazov, but the World War is just around the corner. Until then, we have successfully delayed it, but if we don’t enter, more innocent civilians will be killed, we have a chance to save before a big mess as many people as possible!

[Bayonet]

Quote: kelevra

, we have a chance to save as many people as possible before a big mess!

For what ? If you follow your pessimistic logic and World War will still be - why "save as many people as possible!" ? They will still burn! You have to work with your head, work hard so that there is no war, neither big nor small!

[Giant thought]

Yazov thinks in terms of past wars and historical periods. Therefore, we will consider this the opinion of a military pensioner. Now there are other realities, different approaches. Maybe during his service this led to a large-scale military conflict, but at the moment the conditions are not the same.

[portoc65]

Quote: Giant thought

Yazov thinks in terms of past wars and historical periods. Therefore, we will consider this the opinion of a military pensioner. Now there are other realities, different approaches. Maybe during his service this led to a large-scale military conflict, but at the moment the conditions are not the same.

THIS is exactly how waging wars has become smarter meaner smarter .. foreground intelligence. Analysis. Bribery misinformation .. like in a chess game .. modern war — an explosive mixture of informational lies, politics and murder ...

[tol100v]

Quote: portoc65

THIS is exactly how waging wars has become smarter meaner smarter .. foreground intelligence. Analysis. Bribery misinformation .. like in a chess game .. modern war — an explosive mixture of informational lies, politics and murder ...

I SUBSCRIBE UNDER EVERY YOUR WORD. YOU CAN EXPRESSLY SAY, BUT NOT NEEDED. DO NOT SAY EXACTLY!

[snifer]

let him sit and drink tea. when the Soviet officer was not afraid of the world war he prepared for it and waited, but here he is some kind of non-Soviet marshal

[flSergius]

He has no room for medals on his uniform, but you, sir, have the rank of colonel issued by the site's rating system. Yes, he seems to be stuck at the end of the 20th century, but "some" here you are.

[snifer]

Brezhnev’s medals didn’t fit either, and why ?? he was marshal of the Soviet Union, and did you see North Korean generals with their medals ?? and that since they had all their chests in orders, in the Soviet Union at least one general was afraid of world war ?? By the way, Stalin, for example, did not like medals and wore only one order of the hero of labor. World war says ?? and that is, if we do not introduce a war there will not be ??

[marina1811]

In general, we probably look funny from the side. A huge bear stands in the middle of the forest, around a bunch of mongrel barking, waiting for the hunters to come. Only the bear does not understand that fear is his most terrible enemy, and not a hunter with a gun, and especially a dog.

[Yellow white]

If you look what happened after the Crimea ?!
Sanctions against officials, countries like Australia are simply touching!
The ruble did not fall, contrary to all expectations!
GDP is still a little, but growing!
Yes to us s.r.a.t. by and large on all sanctions, but about isolation ... SMEF in St. Petersburg showed everything to everyone!

IMHO the introduction of troops is not needed .... a provocation on the border .... a massive strike by aviation on the accumulation of manpower and equipment!

[Russ69]

Quote: Black and White

IMHO the introduction of troops is not needed .... a provocation on the border .... a massive strike by aviation on the accumulation of manpower and equipment!

Yes, before you beat. Present an ultimatum. Stating that with the continuation of the genocide of the population, that is, the use of heavy weapons. Russia reserves the right to strike, in parts. The fervor of dill will immediately disappear, and if they do not understand, roll Karachun rockets to zero. Troops and do not need to enter, by and large. And to hand over to the militia artillery, let the equipment not new, but serviceable. An active war will end immediately and a political battle will begin. But this is better than looking at the loss of life ...

[tol100v]

TOTALLY AGREE! ONE TIME SPRAY ON THE WALL AND ALL PIG-LIKE WILL DISAPPEAR!

[Semen Semyonitch]

I would write my memoirs ...

[CastorTroy]

Well, introduce troops, so what? We bombed half of the country in favor of federalization. The West will boil over for a year or two and forget, but again we will repeat the previous decisions, keep the enemy alive, and then the Nazis will again yell in the name of their godfather. If you enter the troops, you need to bring down the junta in full, from A to Z. And those who are against, soak in the toilet. And on the other hand, you are probably just waiting for this to scream to Mars that the Russian aggressors and they need to be taught a lesson.

[Burberry]

Quote: CastorTroy

If you introduce troops, you need to bring down the junta in full, from A to Z

Yes, but the fighters of New Russia will already do this, using our technology, of course.

[Bayonet]

And who will have to rebuild this bombed country, at whose expense? If you then leave from there, others will come. If we stay, we will be invaders and constantly get bullets in the back from the partisans, while investing colossal funds in a black hole named Ukraine, tearing them away from Russian citizens. Do our people need such a future?

[Belbizback]

Yes, this marshal has already outlived his honors. 100% he does not even know how to use the Internet. Old school, we have the Lord's 21st century and the world of high technology. Therefore, it is not necessary to listen to his opinion. At least in this article.

[tol100v]

You ALWAYS need to listen! Despite the age of the opponent.

[Sour]

Quote: Belbizback

Therefore, it is not necessary to listen to his opinion.

In your opinion, too.

[Orc-xnumx]

The war is already going on, only another.

[asar]

The FSB border control in the Rostov region reports that the situation near the Russian border is becoming increasingly tense. Shooting is heard. There is information about large quantities of Ukrainian armored vehicles in the immediate vicinity of the border with Russia.

"Do not wash, so by rolling" ?! I mean, since you don't want to yourself, we will force ?! Some kind of "Forced to War" ?! I would not like such a development of the situation!

[holler]

I respect Dmitry Timofeevich, began to serve with him. But I disagree with him radically, we can’t avoid a war.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I’m heartily for sending troops .. (and an inner voice tells us that this is a trap for us all in Russia) Unofficial help and a lot .. There is someone to fight in the SE!

[N.Zero]

if we introduce troops, then ...
1.this will be in the hands of the States
2. Dill to dill the Armed Forces will have throughout Ukraine - gimorno, damn it ...
3. The West will spoil Russia with sanctions ... and without our gas and oil they will live - EASY!
4.Our assets abroad - freeze ...
5. Having broken the Ukrainian army, we will have to restore the economy of Ukraine at our own expense
6. Victims will be very many ... have to knock dill out of the cities.
7. Russia will be considered an aggressor country ...
BUT, help Donbass-MANDATORY ....

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: N.Zero

2. to dill dill aircraft will have throughout Ukraine

- what for? Expel with the DNI and LC.

Quote: N.Zero

3. The West will spoil Russia with sanctions ... and without our gas and oil they will live - EASY!

- then why now refuse to impose sanctions on oil and gas?

Quote: N.Zero

4.Our assets abroad - freeze ...

- not X. keep your assets abroad. Come here oligarchs ...

Quote: N.Zero

5. Having broken the Ukrainian army, we will have to restore the economy of Ukraine at our own expense

- Ukraine - no, Southeast - most likely yes.

Quote: N.Zero

6. Victims will be very many ... have to knock out dill from cities

- In the Southeast, they did not enter the cities. And then we do not have to go.

Quote: N.Zero

7. Russia will be considered an aggressor country ..

- so we are considered him now!

[Ilik]

Quote: Belbizback

Yes, this marshal has already outlived his honors. 100% he does not even know how to use the Internet. Old school, we have the Lord's 21st century and the world of high technology. Therefore, it is not necessary to listen to his opinion. At least in this article.

I agree to 70%. During the second, Budenov also did not recognize tanks. Cavalry is our main strength. Only here with a saber on the tank - byad.

[Belbizback]

I did not write about cavalry. There is enough primitive tornado there to begin with, that the National Guard would put in trousers, and then arrange biathlon over the ruins in the fields in the tanks, and there isn’t much tornado there, there are 20 cars for 12 charges and it’s good, otherwise everything will be razed to the ground. The tornado brings down 60 hectares, for 12 shots.

[N.Zero]

and you yourself want to get under the Ukrainian "tornado"? ...

[hoard]

Quote: Ilik

I agree to 70%. During the second, Budenov also did not recognize tanks. Cavalry is our main strength. Only here with a saber on the tank - byad.

You, llik, know the story poorly, so post bad nonsense about respected people. Here's a paragraph from Wiki, read carefully:
"From 1937 to 1939, Budyonny commanded the troops of the Moscow Military District, from 1939 - a member of the Main Military Council of the NKO of the USSR, Deputy People's Commissar, from August 1940 - First Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR. Budyonny noted the important role of cavalry in mobile warfare, at the same time speaking for the technical rearmament of the army, initiated the formation of cavalry-mechanized formations.In the pre-war years there was an opinion that cavalry could not seriously compete with tank and motorized formations on the battlefield. corps by the beginning of the war, 1938 cavalry divisions and 32 corps remained. However, according to a number of historians, the experience of the war showed that with the reduction of cavalry they rushed [7] (see also Cavalry in World War II). "(c)

[hoard]

Quote: Ilik

I agree to 70%. During the second, Budenov also did not recognize tanks. Cavalry is our main strength. Only here with a saber on the tank - byad.

You, llik, know the story poorly, so post bad nonsense about respected people. Here's a paragraph from Wiki, read carefully:
"From 1937 to 1939, Budyonny commanded the troops of the Moscow Military District, from 1939 - a member of the Main Military Council of the NKO of the USSR, Deputy People's Commissar, from August 1940 - First Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR. Budyonny noted the important role of cavalry in mobile warfare, at the same time speaking for the technical rearmament of the army, initiated the formation of cavalry-mechanized formations.In the pre-war years there was an opinion that cavalry could not seriously compete with tank and motorized formations on the battlefield. corps by the beginning of the war, 1938 cavalry divisions and 32 corps remained. However, according to a number of historians, the experience of the war showed that with the reduction of cavalry they rushed [7] (see also Cavalry in World War II). "(c)

[Giant thought]

Dear, his last name is Budyonny.

[Giant thought]

Dear, his last name is Budyonny.

[chunga-changa]

Judging by his own confessions, the last marshal was a master at making obvious stupid things. And then how he pro.al USSR generally a separate song. This ... a pro-union union can only advise how to pro-Russia. Therefore, with him you need as a woman, listened and do the opposite.

[N.Zero]

pack up and star in the militia of the DNI, if the pipisk has grown, an Internet warrior ...

[chunga-changa]

I’m too old to run around the militias, while I served the miracle of the Marshal, and how he is a country ... I remember perfectly despite the readiness and support of the troops. And give idiotic advice to your father, please him with yourself.

[Vend]

Whoever is tired of peaceful life, take your weapons and go to the DNI or LC. The border is open. And help the militias. From those calling for the introduction of troops into the territory of Ukraine, it is possible to form a whole battalion. or even two. Go ahead, why are we sitting? Or is it easier to knock with keys?
You look how offended, began to minus. It makes no difference, but the truth hurts my eyes.

[ilya_oz]

Slug. Because of such indecisiveness, the Soviet Union fell. He introduced tanks, but could not do anything.

[demon184]

This is the marshal at which the USSR merged ??? Let his advice put in his ass, traitor.

[CastorTroy]

I suppose I still rubbed with labeled gums

[Sour]

Yes, yes, and then you stormed the White House, in August 1991.

[Vasek]

Quote: Sour

The White House was stormed, in August 1991.

1993

[pg4]

Yes, you help with weapons, there already is someone to fight.

[orphan 63]

"Yes, help you with weapons, there is someone to fight there."
Of course there is - that's right chichassss mustache 50 thousand miners quit work and run to fight !!!
Two months kill their relatives, friends, neighbors .....
For two months they shelled and bombed their homes, schools, hospitals ..... And there are more visiting volunteers in the militia than local ones.
Whom to arm ?? !!!!

[Svetovod]

Like МArshal, and such a FUEL.
Does this stop those who muddied all this?

There is a fire in the neighboring house. It’s better not to put it out, then he won’t come to us.
Comrade Yazov.

[Svist]

We are simply mentally prepared for the discharge of New Russia. My subjective opinion.

[ARS56]

By draining New Russia, we are preparing the Ukrainian version of surrendering Russia to the states. Surkov made our president like an elephant mouse.

[Deadmen]

The junta already suffers very big losses.

[Death to the Nazis]

I can wish the old man human health. And the comments of ordinary people are much more adequate than marshals.

[nnasty]

The world war is already underway, and we are already drawn into it ... Yes, there is no exchange of nuclear strikes, but maybe this time it will not be needed, everything will be decided by the economy.

[CastorTroy]

And what about the economy? At all times, financial issues were decided by war. If the Americans get really kapets, then they will have nothing to lose. With the motto "Neither for themselves, nor for the people" they will use everything they have to destroy the enemy.

[RESEARCHER]

The United States headed for the destruction of Russia. Ukraine, this is his consistent naga. Do not stop now, they will continue to step. Previous wars have never affected the United States. Therefore, out of habit, here and there, regional conflicts are conceived. In the event of a global confrontation, America will not sit aside. She perfectly understands this, therefore she is least interested in the third world war.

[Yellow white]

Quote: Russ69

Quote: Black and White

IMHO the introduction of troops is not needed .... a provocation on the border .... a massive strike by aviation on the accumulation of manpower and equipment!

Yes, before you beat. Present an ultimatum. Stating that with the continuation of the genocide of the population, that is, the use of heavy weapons. Russia reserves the right to strike, in parts. The fervor of dill will immediately disappear, and if they do not understand, roll Karachun rockets to zero. Troops and do not need to enter, by and large. And to hand over to the militia artillery, let the equipment not new, but serviceable. An active war will end immediately and a political battle will begin. But this is better than looking at the loss of life ...

I agree completely, but not like Parashenko, but seriously 24 hours on everything about everything!

[Signaller]

What else can he say ???? Its all friends in the USSR there. Against their go? Nonsense, and he comes from the KP SS family. The Communist Party has always talked about proletarian unity. Here Donetsk and Lugansk proletarian and have.

[29261]

Clever man and strategic state thinking! That's right. And for those who prefer to rattle with weapons, you need to turn on the logic a little!

[MBA78]

and learn international law ...

[socrates7]

I respected Yazov very much when I served in the Far East as a Commander of the Far Eastern Military District. After the Emergency Committee, he died for me. So mediocre to end the service in the sun. Personally, I am not interested in his point of view. Himself in an environment not even war could not navigate and make a decision. And now he tells how to do it. We are all masters to teach. Well, you, Marshal of the Soviet Union, at one time could not give the right order. Because of your weakness, a huge country has disappeared from the face of the earth. And today's events in Ukraine are the echoes of your inaction in 1991. Everything, I can’t talk anymore, I’m just rushing, so as not to fall on insults.

[hoard]

Do you know absolutely everything about the GKChP in order to draw the unambiguously correct conclusions? Gorbachev, I remember, once said that people will never know the whole truth about this crisis.

[hoard]

Do you know absolutely everything about the GKChP in order to draw the unambiguously correct conclusions? Gorbachev, I remember, once said that people will never know the whole truth about this crisis.

[KUOLEMA]

Quote: lenamir

..what are all smart !!! no insanity !!!! the right thing is saying ...

That's right, let the Russians in Ukraine cut us out and swallow and then Bender come to Red Square and arrange the Maidan there and we swallow again and just do what we need Russia to go under China quickly then no one will threaten us

[CastorTroy]

Russia is openly provoked by active military intervention. This is obvious not only because of the demonstrative destruction of civilians using heavy equipment, but also in terms of violating the Russian borders by the military units of the Ukrainian army. In this situation, similar events in 1940-1941 are recalled, when German planes and military equipment regularly violated the border of the Soviet Union . The Luftwaffe aircraft alone violated the border more than three hundred times. Apparently, a similar practice will continue now - in order to drag the Russian Federation into a full-blown military conflict, after which it will be possible to bring down on it as sanctions - in full - and blame all the geopolitical failures on the “scapegoat” as they want expose Russia.
The elites of Europe, as well as some countries of the former Soviet Union, are constantly promised that they will get a small piece of the “pie”. In fact, now the whole model of the global economy, which was created since Bretton Wood, is beginning to experience strong pressure from the processes that are already destroying it. To save this model, you need to "throw" something big and "nutritious", like our state. This will delay another crisis of this model for another twenty-twenty-five years. Now we are witnessing a process very similar to the one that preceded the Great Patriotic War. Romania at that time promised Transnistria, Italy, Hungary and other countries that acted as satellites of Nazi Germany - also relied on various "compensation". So it is now. Those elites who lead a number of post-Soviet states and are pro-Western or dualistic are promised certain preferences and territories.

[Christina]

Hey, generals sofas, take it easy! Experience and age must be respected! Do not consider yourself smarter than a marshal who served his whole life in the conditions of the Cold War and is well versed in this topic. I am ashamed of you, chesslovo! Come on, minus now ...

[Belarus]

Yeah, he understands. The country was pros ... profiled and now that he has become smarter.
Let him sit in the country and drink tea with cheesecakes and do not go where he does not need to.
What is he already got there ah?

[Christina]

Excuse me, how old are you? Were you at the General Staff at that time? Do you know all the details of decisions made then, the situation, etc.? Or do you just want to pour slop on the one who is to blame for the collapse of the USSR? Whatever mistake the marshal made at the end of his service, he served for the good of our country for many years, he is a war veteran and just an old man and deserves respect. What have you done good for the country? What moral right do you have to insult this person, eh?

[Yapet100]

Does he have this mind already ????? For his granddaughters, he trembles, who study behind the cordon ... S3R pissed away such "marshals", and now they will teach ... We have everything crammed with refugees ... Growth. region...

[Christina]

The answer is similar to the previous speaker. See above. Ashamed of you, alas

[MBA78]

if you think that the pandora’s box was opened by America, you are mistaken ...
but the fact that she is doing everything so that Russia opens this box is a fact ...
so if the yankees want war let them open the box first

[BOB044]

We agree everything with Ukraine, we agree, but what is needed is a little military assistance to the Southeast in the form of weapons, and if they trample or shells begin to fly into our border. Then, as in Abkhazia.

[SergeyZel]

I would be silent in a rag. Now, when Rust flew, it was necessary to speak.

[awersa]

So he was appointed when the rust flew over and the predecessor was removed !!!

[awersa]

And then he joined the GKChP .... they themselves showed an example, now they are writing memoirs ...

[awersa]

The World War has been going on for a long time, they bite off spheres of influence from Russia, and the respectable Yazov still lives in his world of illusions !!!!!

[v245721]

to listen to this "comrade" does not respect myself. This is a comrade, he himself would send tanks to the civilian population. I would sit and be silent.

[hoard]

It is ridiculous to read the posts of the local couch audience about what a fool Yazov is. At the same time, the overwhelming majority of critics do not even have the basics of knowledge for analysis and strategic decisions, but they don’t believe the old military professional))))) Calm down, gentlemen. To collect, process information and make recommendations, there are intelligence services, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the General Staff, and for decision-making - the government and the President. All this is very difficult. And here - some kind of kindergarten!))))

[v245721]

he needed to think when the USSR was falling apart. And what kind of military man does everyone know. When the coup occurred, most officers did not support him. This is not Zhukov.

[Yapet100]

You might think that all decisions were correct ... the last example is a group of idiots who screamed songs in the cathedral and made the whole world famous, advertised ...

[vostok1982]

Take off your uniform, traitor. You ruined the USSR and now you want to destroy Russia too. If today you do not destroy the junta, while the Americans have not created a zombie millionth army armed to the teeth, tomorrow this junta will trample on Russia.

[Wiruz]

With all due respect to Marshal, especially as Marshal of the Soviet Union, I have to disagree with him. Nobody will fight with Russia over Ukraine, at least in this decade.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Wiruz

With all due respect to Marshal, especially as Marshal of the Soviet Union, I have to disagree with him. Nobody will fight with Russia over Ukraine, at least in this decade.

The fact of the matter is that they won’t fight directly (they will shoot just in the back ..) There is no unity in the U-B .. this is not Crimea ... We will be stuck in Ukraine in the back or in the Caucasus, and most likely the Maidans will begin in Asia (Nazarbayev is not silent silently ..)

[RosUkrBel]

Afraid of wolves, do not go to the forest.

[chelovektapok]

Also this "hero of the Emergency Committee" with his advice climbs. In 1991, I already gave my advice, having objected to the fullest.

[Yapet100]

got out ... peacemaker !!!!!! GKChP hero !!!!! there did not bring to mind .... And gives advice ...

[awersa]

All merit, at the expense of the USSR, which prosral! Your time now, Mr. General is gone! Give advice to your great-grandchildren!

[Yapet100]

Quote: awersa

All merit, at the expense of the USSR, which prosral! Your time now, Mr. General is gone! Give advice to your great-grandchildren!

His great-great .. they are sitting abroad ... So he is tearing his ass ... Peaceful ..... !!!!!

[Black]

Officers! Officers ...
..further there ..... "at gunpoint" ... "Russians" .. "let freedom shine" ...

Everything is simpler in life ... "No way!" .. "What if - a war?"

[A1L9E4K9S]

Quote: Natalia

But if this is not done, then the USA will use Ukraine as they want. Moreover, this is a clear loss of Russia's authority. The choice between shame and death ...

Dear Natalia, hold your horses, it hurts you are aggressive, calm down, if you want to fight like that, go to Donetsk, pick up a machine gun and fight for health. But you don’t need people to call for troops to Ukraine, it’s bad. And today I am such a warrior.

[Yapet100]

Quote: portoc65

Quote: Dazdranagon

Quote: portoc65

this is a war with Russia in Ukraine

- that’s why Putin’s silence scares me ...

It scares me too. It really excites me .. the only consolation is the thought that we don’t know something and he is doing everything right. I watched Matvienko, when they squeezed Crimea, she screamed from the rostrum, we don’t leave our own. but the day before yesterday it’s the opposite, we should not get involved in a war that is being imposed on us .. I don’t understand something ... how much more blood is needed. Or will everything be decided diplomatically? Are there diplomats in Dill?

The war that is being imposed on us... Are there other wars?????!!!! Optional!?!? We will have to fight sooner and later... And if we continue to play soldiers (the troops are at the border - the troops have withdrawn) the bigger the war will be....

[awersa]

Quote: v245721

to listen to this "comrade" does not respect myself. This is a comrade, he himself would send tanks to the civilian population. I would sit and be silent.

At the beginning he sent, but then he shit himself and begged for his own skin, so now he lives at the expense of the state - our account (we pay taxes to the state), he receives an awesome pension and still learns how to live, the old stump! Thanks for the past!

[niklaus]

Let's not cite as an example the words of a person who was present at the collapse of the USSR, with all the age involved, but there is real insanity there. One country was not saved, and now they are not allowing it to rejoice.

[bda]

Question to the author:
And what, may I ask, did the rest of the meeting participants say?

[Tatarus]

It was Yazov, who at one time supported the State Emergency Committee, who gave the order to bring tanks into Moscow in August 1991. Later, Yazov called the actions of the State Emergency Committee obvious stupidity that should not be repeated. - just some kind of weather vane. Turned this way, turned that way. The opinion of such a “fickle” marshal does not inspire respect in me

[Yapet100]

Quote: Chen

Officers! Officers ...
..further there ..... "at gunpoint" ... "Russians" .. "let freedom shine" ...

Everything is simpler in life ... "No way!" .. "What if - a war?"

So dollars outside the cordon are kept for one place...

[Leshka]

ours probably won’t take such a step

[Russ69]

19.06.2014/18/17, XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Synopsis from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich.

“The Yampolsky detachment was defeated. The militias, of whom 3 / 4 were not properly fired, did not withstand heavy artillery fire and tank attack and randomly retreated in different directions. The handful of remaining counterattacks returned to the enemy from the flank, knocked down the 4 BMD and returned to positions, but the enemy has already cut them off from the crossing. Now the remnants of the detachment and the forces deployed to help them are fighting for a break from the encirclement. The bridge in Zakatny has been captured and protected by a tank.

But to those who try to rebuke the militia in insufficient resilience, I recommend to come here and try it yourself: the enemy has an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle for every 10 (not to mention two dozen tanks), and we didn’t have a single defensive unit "armor" ... They had a battery of "grads" and a division of self-propelled howitzers + "Drying" according to our position, while all of our "artillery" there was 2 recoilless LNG-9 and 1 ZU-23-2. All of our communication, they crushed the EW equipment so that the radios were completely useless. The ratio of forces in the infantry - 1 to 10 ... There would have to be a guard, perhaps, could not resist.

In Seversk fight. There, the Brain guys are trying to contain the enemy. But the forces there are cryingly unequal.

I read on other resources some comments about the prospects for the militia and the possibility of Russian intervention. One thing I can say - the supply of heavy weapons could have saved the situation a week ago. Now time is lost. Russia needs military assistance. "

Russia needs military assistance

They didn’t give us weapons, and we shouldn’t count on military help... The troops will hang out on the border and will accept those who escaped. And the authorities will go to negotiate profits with their “partners” in Kyiv...
How sickening it is to look at the cowardice of our government.
If Putin remains silent until Novorossiya falls, then let him remain silent until the end of his term.

[RosUkrBel]

Let's fight! We will tolerate sanctions. It's time to bend all the fascists!

[Andrey82]

You can't use force yet. But nothing prevents our leadership from threatening to recognize the LPR and DPR and that no obstacles will be put in the way of volunteers going to protect Russians from genocide.
And about the war... In short. then we don’t come to them - they come to us and the choice is theirs. Little depends on us anymore. Although it is possible to “drain” the Russians there and slowly bring the Western “guests” here. Then yes - there will be peace and prosperity for the United States at our expense and on Russian bones.

[Stypor23]

Isn’t this the same Marshal Yazoa, who in 1991 did not follow the example of his Chinese comrades and allowed liberal trash to take over the USSR.

[urii]

I was just called up in 91 and was a minister

[Sour]

Quote: urii

I was just called up in 91 and was a minister

And then I was a senior, serving more than two terms.

[Sour]

So many USSR patriots divorced 23 years later!
It's crazy how much.
And where were they then? Someone was walking under the table. And some were not born at all. And someone hid behind the phrase “I will not go against the people.” It happened, I remember.
I just don’t remember those who threw themselves at the embrasure for Soviet power.
And now everyone has become a Soviet patriot. Lighter than easy. The Internet will endure anything.

[Stypor23]

They drank whiskey at the Amer embassy with Vadik Paganin

[morprepud]

MEN! Of course, our Slavic brotherhood is incorruptible and patriotic, BUT, unfortunately, our Western brother from Ukraine has been loaded with who knows what for 20 years, And questions arise:
- where are THEIR (Kyiv) Slavic generals??? Are they extinct? I understand that the situation is difficult, BUT, these are their units, soldiers... in my opinion, they can and MUST raise THEIR troops THEMSELVES and MOVE to Kyiv!!!
And Russia is always nearby, weapons, supplies, etc.
MEN!!! do not fall for PROVOCATORY SLOGANS "Get up Russia!" etc!!! I know that now my comment will be attacked by “cons” from provocateurs, SO let’s see how many there will be!!!!!!!!!!
BUT, there are also reasonable readers:
I REPEAT their versions:
18.06.14. Message from the militia.

"The junta is putting into operation 15 tanks a day and 30 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. In a month there will be another 500 tanks and 1000 combat vehicles in service. And they do it in Kharkov."

Svidomo activists put armor on the move? Or pravoseki that carob from the crown can not be distinguished? Or specialists zapadentsy?

Does this population of the east. Or do they not know who this armor will go to iron?

[siberalt]

It is possible not to bring in Russian troops. Novorossiya will have its own army; how long will it take to repaint the armored vehicles and create its own aviation?

[vignat21]

Yazov, as senile as he was, remained so; I remember very well his leadership of the USSR Armed Forces when he was the USSR Ministry of Defense. And I remember his stupid cards too.

[Roman_999]

Today I realized with amazing clarity that an armed attack on Our territory is highly likely. We were not provoked to send in troops, but a regional war is needed, therefore, it doesn’t matter who exactly, but from the Ukrainian side they will provoke the deployment of troops by accidentally flying into our territory with shells (not guided missiles). There is no one to put political pressure on in Kyiv... The situation, however, is developing... I don’t panic and don’t instill fear, it’s not my style. Everything said is just a thought. I'll be glad to hear your answers.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Roman_999

will provoke the deployment of troops by accidentally flying into our territory with shells (not guided missiles).

Why not return 10 or 100 shells or missiles in response? Technically this is possible and it is not at all necessary to go there with troops.

[World Cup 2014]

Of course, it is not advisable to send troops there, but it is necessary to stop this senseless war. They will do the same as in 2008 in Georgia, break up the main army units and drive them out of the Southeast and organize bases there, and the Bonderaites, having crap themselves, will not go there anymore

[Bayonet]

What an idyll - the troops enter, without losses and blood - as if on a walk, the crap Banderaites run in horror, without firing back and abandoning tanks and other equipment. And in conclusion - a soldier, tired from a walk, washes off the dust from his boots in the Dnieper, and around him are joyful Ukrainians with bread and lard. Only this happens in rosy dreams, but the realities of war are blood, death and destruction! Are you ready to meet your soldiers in sealed coffins, as was the case in the Afghan and Chechen wars? Whoever wants to force war on us is an enemy, whoever calls for war on us is a doubly enemy!

[exiv200gt]

Later, Yazov called the actions of the State Emergency Committee obvious stupidity that should not be repeated.

Well, why listen to you, Marshal???

[Bayonet]

So as not to repeat mistakes!

[DPN]

In all likelihood, MARSHAL was advised to call the State Emergency Committee stupidity, since Mishka the Humpback betrayed everyone and hid in Foros.
There will be no war if the United States is threatened with its complete DESTRUCTION - Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev proved this with CUBE, the Americans wanted to LIVE! The same period has come TODAY! Otherwise, MOSCOW will have to be moved beyond the URAL!

[sever.56]

Quote: Ilik

A new world war is already underway. And we are retreating again. To where only it is not clear we will retreat? To the Urals?

What makes you think that we are retreating? If they had retreated, then Novorossiya would already have been scorched earth. I am sure that everything possible is being done through diplomacy to save the people of Novorossiya. As for assistance with weapons, we will learn about this over time. With Kalash guns alone, the army of Novorossiya would not have lasted that long. Sincerely.

[Kimblee]

This is coming from a man who helped Gorbachev collapse the USSR! This means that we definitely need to send in troops. New world war over Ukraine??? I beg you, don't be ridiculous!

[Igarr]

What kind of mania is this about sending in troops?
What troops will we send in and where?
And most importantly - why?
Should our guys replace the militias? What's the point? Will the militia continue to work? Will they do sowing and harvesting?
...
Threaten. An ultimatum for the broadest assistance to the militias should be presented to the Rada. Strike a concentration of heavy equipment.
Carry out a preventive air raid - not for the purpose of attack, but as a demonstration.
Like the surfacing of a nuclear submarine in the Caribbean Sea.
And here - let Backfire pass over Kharkov. Above Izyum, above Kyiv. And at the same time, suppress all radio engineering in Ukraine.
..
It won’t come through the mind, it will come through a shitty fool.
I think so.
And - expansion of assistance. Heavy and mobile weapons.

[Atoll]

Yazov. The devils are groaning when this traitor of Rus' will fall into their clutches.
If this Gorbachev government is against the entry of troops, then the troops must be sent in as soon as possible!

[rinsajf]

Let's also ask the former Minister of Foreign Affairs Kozyrev whether to send in troops or not!
And Yazov 23 years ago, having at hand the most powerful army at that time, did nothing smart to save the USSR.

[Bayonet]

Quote: rinsife

did nothing smart to save the USSR.

And the fact that they didn’t allow a civil war and a lot of bloodshed is “not smart”? But it could have been like it is now in Ukraine.

[prishelec]

It is necessary to supply the militias with everything they need, and let them send 40 or 60 thousand military men there, but secretly, let them merge with the militia and clear Novorossiya of all right and left, it is possible and necessary to defend this territory without troops.

[DPN]

Grandfather is probably already over 100 years old and we shouldn’t be too offended by HIM, may God grant us to live up to his age. And the country was being destroyed by those who are now between 50 and 70 years old, who wanted to become masters but also got what they wanted.

[His]

An old senile who screwed up the State Emergency Committee and wrote poems in the Lubyanka. What can he suggest? You can also ask Gorbachev.

[Yapet100]

Ett exactly! All that remains is to ask these freaks who sold the state for advice!

[Tol.Skiff]

He was not adequate before, but now he has added senile insanity...

[Yapet100]

Motorway M4 "Don". Equipment and personnel have been moving towards Rostov for the third day. Helicopters and planes are in the air at the border with dill.

[olegkrava]

Quote: lenamir

..what are all smart !!! no insanity !!!! the right thing is saying ...

This miracle strategist has done so much in his time that the fuse of a grenade in the ass will seem like a fairy tale to you.

[Flatter]

In a week, Poroshenko will sign an economic association agreement with the EU and issues of assistance to pro-Russian patriots from the Russian Federation will disappear like a bad dream from the ruling oligarchy. Issues with refugees will remain, but relations with them are not relations with the West, there is nothing to be afraid of.

[Dracula]

He's old and he's still trying to win over *liberists*. Habit is second nature.

[DimychDV]

>>There is information about large quantities of Ukrainian armored vehicles in the immediate vicinity of the border with Russia.
On the one side. Zhirinovsky said on live television: The situation in relations with America is much worse than during the days of the Cuban missile crisis, which is why Russia is being cautious. - Agree. Back in 1949, US People's Artist Paul Robeson performed, accompanied by the US Presidential Orchestra, the "Hymn of the Soviet Union" translated into English - and in the Stalinist version. And the generals who advised Kennedy in 62 knew the value of the Soviet soldier and the history of Russian victories. What do the generals in the USA know about this today? If they had invited those soldiers who were met in Pristina by a polite Russian paratrooper waving a sapper's shovel, they would have told them how much at such moments you want to pee without taking off your pants. And for the idiots with the stripes on their analytical laptops, Russia has just rebelled from behind, it simply wasn’t in serious plans, and they’re screwed. just push us and that’s it. And these fools can really push. But we will no longer remain silent. And then it starts...
On the other side. Zyuganov said live: if decisive measures are not taken, there will be more than just a fire and liquidation in the South-East of Ukraine. There will be a never-ending fire of provocations along the entire length of our borders with Ukraine, and first of all it will hit Crimea. - Agree. Don’t the Ukrainian authorities show us the extreme degree of complete frostbite and impudence? This is how a petty bastard behaves, provoking a passerby, while around the corner the “like kings” of the local outskirts are waiting to appear on stage. YES, this whole situation VERY MUCH LOOKS LIKE A PROVOCATION. What do we have to be afraid of, guys? Have we finally forgotten how to hear the desperate cry “SLAVS, THEY ARE BEating OURS!!!” A???

[Den77]

Didn’t he tell you how the Soviet army was destroyed, equipment was cut for scrap, etc.? All the consequences of those actions are now, in the present moment!

[Sasspy]

What is more important for America - Iraq or Ukraine? Iraq is worse - so we need to help the Iraqi rebels - distract the United States from Ukraine - the United States will again be drawn into the war in Iraq - much less money will be allocated to Ukraine

[Umnichka]

This is not the east of Ukraine, this is part of the Russian world, this is our part, this is part of us. We cannot surrender our own people under any circumstances - we have given reasons to think differently, which is why there is a war in the South-East. If we were sure that Russia would not surrender its own people, who the hell would go to Donbass. It’s time to again accustom everyone to this very idea - Russia does not give up its own and will not stand behind the price. Otherwise we will be destroyed. They only understand power.

[solidgrasp]

Quote: Dazdranagon

If Russia takes such a step, then this, according to Dmitry Yazov, could lead to a new world war

- with all due respect - but this is insanity. No one will fight with Russia over Ukraine.

I think that Ukraine will not fight for Ukraine either.

[Flatter]

You can also remember Gorbachev. From an interview on Russia 1 “We believed the West, but it deceived us”

[Aleksandr89]

Yazov is a coward and a traitor. Let him sit quietly, he has already done everything he could. It’s funny when former people in the person of Yazov, Gorbachev and others give advice. It had to be done while I was in charge, now sit quietly and keep quiet.

[uizik]

The old senile man showed such “firmness” during the State Emergency Committee that the USSR was ruined!

[zveroboy61]

I read, I think, I analyze, Two cities nearby, in one there is peace and grace (they work and pay), and in the other there are militias and their own truth. Conclusion: there is no common line. We must read the lessons of Lenin: either everything or nothing. First of all banks, etc. Donbass.

[kirillovleva]

the old man is out of his mind

[tinibar]

Quote: Dazdranagon

If Russia takes such a step, then this, according to Dmitry Yazov, could lead to a new world war

- with all due respect - but this is insanity. No one will fight with Russia over Ukraine.

They will, as soon as they do, that’s why they put the current parachute at the helm there. The owners themselves, of course, will not get into a fight; they will feed their lackeys - first the dill with the Balts, then the Poles with the Bulgarians, etc., until they exhaust Russia. And we are now in a worse situation than we were in 41.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: tinibar

first dill with the Balts, then Poles with Bulgarians, etc., until they exhaust Russia

- what kind of nonsense? What Baltic Poles? A little more and they, too, following the more or less adequate EU countries, will begin to fight America...

[zhitelzemli]

It is not necessary to send troops. But Russia can support with fire, suppressing batteries, etc., from its territory. There are Hurricanes, Iskanders, Tochka-u, cruise missiles, etc. for this.

[Nelepost]

If you send troops all the way to Lvov... And I’m for it!
And if they start screwing around abroad, then declare mobilization in Russia, and conduct all the necessary exercises for those mobilized, with the reactivation of some military equipment!

[Rigla]

I’ll tell you this, Russia, unfortunately, will have to live side by side with the vile Banderia, this is a fact and there is nothing we can do about it. BUT! With what banderia? Everything is in our hands here! It is in our hands to determine the population and area of ​​Banderia. The smaller it is, the better for Russia. By liberating Novorossiya, we will strengthen ourselves and weaken Banderia. Now everything is in our hands, giving Russian lands and people to the Nazis is unacceptable! If we give up Novorossiya, then we will dig a wolf hole for ourselves!

[fedulov_e]

Soon Sunday June 22nd.
The price that Russia will have to pay for saving Novorossiya is growing every hour.
This price is expressed in the lives of Russian soldiers!
Or maybe betray Novorossiya?
Then our soldiers will not die.
True, then the victorious Ukrainian army will begin to liberate Crimea from the Russians, and we will retreat again and save our soldiers.
And then the Rostov region, Kuban, ...
But it was once May 9th.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: fedulov_e

The victorious Ukrainian army will begin to liberate Crimea

- What are you smoking, dear?

[crack]

Quote: morozof63

The USA and the EU are already using Ukraine and have it, and in the DPR and LPR not everything is so smooth, the people have not risen up, few are fighting, the majority are sitting out or for Kyiv, so who should they fight for???

Now, when the population of the same Donbass calls volunteers Colorados, like ukroSMI, trying to appeal to logic is pointless.

[chicapuk]

found someone to listen to, he fucked up the USSR

[Nikoha.2010]

I served as a conscript in 1991 and remembered:
..........................
Let me dream about my home
Baba with a magnificent "star"
Sea of ​​beer, vodka basin
Grandfather Yazov's order!
Yes, guys, it was still time!

[Veteran 2014]

I agree with everyone who gave a negative assessment to the marshal’s conclusions, I won’t repeat them, the strategist of the Americans was afraid of old age. It seems that he went through a great war and lived to his fullest, unlike many other veterans. Russia needs to help its Russian people, including with volunteers and everything else that can be helped, and they are afraid of wolves not to go into the forest.