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Ukrainian security forces are trying to break into Seversk

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In the north of the DPR, in the vicinity of Krasny Liman, a battle is going on between militia fighters and Ukrainian security forces. At the headquarters of the militia, they report that Kiev uses armored vehicles, Aviationartillery guns. The militia command speaks of heavy losses among the fighters of the people's army of the southeast. The representative of the headquarters of the army of the southeast quoted RIA News Ukraine:

Army uses su-25 and helicopters, about 20 tanks and 50 units of other armored vehicles, two infantry battalions, artillery - self-propelled howitzers. We are suffering great losses.




Intense battles take place several kilometers south-east of Krasny Liman - near the towns of Yampol and Zakotnoye. During the fighting, the militia managed to disable one tank of the Ukrainian army.

On Twitter, the Donetsk People's Republic, it was reported that in addition to the tank, the militia destroyed the enemy's BMP 3, trying to enter the city of Seversk.

Ukrainian security forces do not leave attempts to break through to Lugansk. The next attacks were repelled by the LC militia, as reported by Valeriy Bolotov.

Fights in the southeast are held after the statements of Petro Poroshenko that the Ukrainian army and the National Guard are going to cease fire unilaterally. The command of the Militia of the DPR and the LPR initially stated that the words about the cease-fire are another lie of Kiev, and this is fully proved by today's events.
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  1. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 17: 15
    +28
    Put down the number? Ring shrinks This is a scribe sad
    In public soc. networks, it is already impossible to enter, tens and hundreds of Russian people’s corpses every day ...
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 19 June 2014 17: 18
      +23
      They are fighting not with numbers, but with skill. But it is time to support Donetsk, not only morally
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 17: 19
        +17
        Quote: herruvim
        They are fighting not with numbers, but with skill. But it is time to support Donetsk, not only morally


        There already tank wedges went ... much to fight?
        1. sarov 69
          sarov 69 19 June 2014 17: 40
          +1
          Hello everyone . I decided to write what has been on my heart for a long time, but did not dare to write.
          Our Government purposefully uses the situation in Ukraine and will not help the South - East, because all financial interests are now concentrated in the region of the Middle East - Syria, etc. The lingering war in Ukraine is a good distraction. Strekova and Slavyansk will unambiguously merge - people like Igor Ivanovich will interfere with negotiating. And the fact that the new government of the DPR is already grazing in the Kremlin and near suggests that everything has been agreed with the Russian government, and that there is no assistance and further sluggish confrontation, and they are already planning who will receive the "dividends". And how many good and necessary people will die, who cares among the "High Seated", the main thing is that their interests are not affected. In short, I went to build a house for a friend for 2 months, there will be no access to the computer, although I will not have to be upset. Maybe I'm wrong in my predictions. We will see ....
          1. Cams
            Cams 19 June 2014 17: 46
            0
            Where does infa 146 come from?
            1. Apologet.Ru
              Apologet.Ru 19 June 2014 18: 11
              0
              hi
              In an extreme case, defeat and in anticipation of the massacre of the vanquished, the maximum that the Russian army can do when deciding to cross the border, being supposedly neutral to both belligerents, is to create divisions between their belligerents by their units, preventing fire them ...
              1. sarov 69
                sarov 69 19 June 2014 18: 17
                +3
                Well, can you help with weapons normally? The same anti-tank complexes, RPG type "Aglen", etc.
                1. Apologet.Ru
                  Apologet.Ru 19 June 2014 18: 30
                  +2
                  hi
                  Can. With full control by the militias of the border and confidence that these deliveries will not be able to officially link with the Russian Armed Forces ...
          2. WKS
            WKS 19 June 2014 18: 30
            +2
            Quote: sarov 69
            In short, I went to build a house for a friend for 2 months, there will be no access to the computer,

            Are you apparently from Ukraine? Most likely from New Russia. Putin is a reasonable and decent person. He is experiencing no less than you. The Ukrainian problem is the most important task for him, there is no alternative. But he will make decisions based on reliable facts and such that Russia does not remain with his nose. Decisions of a politician at the Putin level are fraught with serious consequences. Even the example of Yanukovych confirms this. He dispersed the Maidan by force in January - how many lives of Ukrainian citizens were not prematurely cut off? How many fates would not be crippled?
            1. sarov 69
              sarov 69 19 June 2014 19: 15
              +13
              I am from Nizhny Novgorod, only in Ukraine there are 7 relatives in Zaporozhye.
              As for Putin and the decision, we managed to collect and send 1 packages with uniforms and other necessary things to Slavyansk in 2 month, without asking anyone. Putin does not have to be an RPG sender. ATGM and other gifts. I at one time had to buy cement for myself (maybe someone knows the deficit times in 2000) in Moldova, brought 900 tons through 2 borders. So I have the opportunity compared with the state. no machine ... Regards. Vyacheslav.
          3. mark2
            mark2 19 June 2014 20: 05
            0
            But another point of view.
            http://warfiles.ru/show-61744-ukrainu-otrezhut-ot-chernogo-morya-i-drugaya-vazhn
            aya-infa.html
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 20: 11
              0
              Quote: mark2
              But another point of view.
              http://warfiles.ru/show-61744-ukrainu-otrezhut-ot-chernogo-morya-i-drugaya-vazhn

              aya-infa.html


              Already read. More like a hodgepodge and someone's fantasy. Although I already would not be surprised. Failure to give, even short-term forecasts.
        2. sarov 69
          sarov 69 19 June 2014 17: 57
          +7
          Yes, if there really are only 2 SPG-9 long-range anti-tank weapons, as Strelkov said in his last interview, this is against several dozen armored vehicles. Yes, you will fight ... By the way, whoever used the LNG, they know, they won't let you fire more than a couple of shots, it hurts "Dust" strongly, but you can't quickly transfer it to a spare one - a serious infection.
          1. AK-74-1
            AK-74-1 19 June 2014 18: 40
            +1
            In fact, the calculation was given 40 seconds to change the position of the "boot".
            The thing is really good on a landing gear with wheels. We had such in our company.
            1. sarov 69
              sarov 69 19 June 2014 21: 17
              0
              This is if you have a normal company base unit, and better with reinforcements and a battalion, and if there is nothing to cover you from behind, how can I change the position?
          2. typhoon7
            typhoon7 19 June 2014 19: 01
            0
            One is already destroyed, I hope that the calculation is alive.
          3. mark2
            mark2 19 June 2014 20: 07
            +1
            and yesterday he told how he burned armored personnel carriers with "Bumblebees" And this is already something serious. So the information war and disinformation are in full swing.
            1. sarov 69
              sarov 69 19 June 2014 21: 21
              +2
              BTR from Bumblebee in 90% of cases is operated from an ambush, "Bumblebee" has insufficient range of actual fire to fight armored targets in open areas, especially in conditions of 10-15 times the enemy's superiority in firepower.
        3. anfil
          anfil 19 June 2014 18: 32
          +2
          Remember the battle near Dubosekovo!

          What happened before Dubosekovo? The Germans, leading a swift (according to plans) attack on Moscow, managed to move less than two dozen kilometers along the Volokolamsk direction in half a month of fighting. And they got up, pulling up reinforcements and rear. 2 November front line stabilized.

          Was this a feat?

          Yes, it was generally a miracle.

          When the thin-line division of recruits who lacked ammunition for a long time stopped at times a superior experienced enemy. And those recruits who, under a terrible onslaught, retreated on one day, firmly held their positions for the next.
          Read in full: http://yablor.ru/blogs/podvig-panfilovcev/2937689
          1. typhoon7
            typhoon7 19 June 2014 19: 09
            +4
            Dubosekovo is definitely a feat, only then was Moscow behind and there was no need to wait for help. And the DNI has the Superpower behind it, but the situation is the same as that of the fighters near Dubosekovo. Near Moscow 1941, a platoon of soldiers accounted for a kilometer of defense, near Slavyansk, the balance of power was also one hundred to ten. Seversk was taken by the junta, Slavyansk in complete encirclement.
          2. Evgeniy1
            Evgeniy1 19 June 2014 19: 21
            +4
            It was a different world and a different war.
            1. sarov 69
              sarov 69 19 June 2014 21: 14
              0
              Similarly, people are different, only the result is the same, the most innocent will die. And the heroism of some, as one general noted, is always foolish ... hm and the flaw of others.
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      2. jjj
        jjj 19 June 2014 17: 20
        +2
        And no anti-tank barriers erected on the approaches? Are the roads clean?
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 17: 23
          +18
          Quote: jjj
          And no anti-tank barriers erected on the approaches? Are the roads clean?


          Where, on the plain of New Russia? On road? On the side of their put? Or behind the curb in the field? Or 360 degrees to encircle around him, let them bypass or hammer from a distance?
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 19 June 2014 17: 38
            +9
            hi
            By the way, it’s precisely today that the Donetsk miners, in response to the continuation of the punitive operation, must create their own Mining Division ...
            1. yzaharov04
              yzaharov04 19 June 2014 17: 49
              +5
              And probably weavers are fighting! WEAPON WHERE !!!?
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 19 June 2014 17: 54
                +1
                hi
                In one of his interviews, Strelkov stated that there were enough weapons, few people ...
                Yes, and what then did the miners' leaders think about when they announced the creation of the Division? They didn’t know that people without weapons were just a crowd, excuse me, enthusiasts ....
                1. rereture
                  rereture 19 June 2014 17: 57
                  0
                  Do not lie, in one of the last interviews Strelkov, on the contrary, said that there are plenty of people, but no weapons and equipment.
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 19 June 2014 18: 19
                    +1
                    hi
                    No need to be so categorical, dear! Fiercely and angrily exposing the opponent in a lie. I could be wrong, but not lie! Because I operate with the data that I have ...
                    In addition, you, that you seriously believe that the leadership of the militias and the People’s Republics have no connection with the command of the units of the Russian army, including and delicate specialization, as well as appointed officials of the state apparatus? And they act completely at their own peril and risk, so to speak on bare enthusiasm? ...
                    1. woron333444
                      woron333444 19 June 2014 22: 05
                      +2
                      Exactly, on bare enthusiasm. Strelkov said that only the weapons that were captured from dill
        2. domokl
          domokl 19 June 2014 17: 25
          +14
          According to my information, dill fights in the Red Army ... Classic attacks ... It’s hard for the militia not so much from these attacks as from turntables ... Weapons are urgently needed ... urgently ... Otherwise, they will take positions at night ... And there again, only the WGs can act ...
        3. sarov 69
          sarov 69 19 June 2014 17: 59
          +1
          It’s necessary to mine there, but it looks like there are no anti-tank mines, as well as literate sappers ..
      3. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 17: 37
        +7
        Already something desperate ... or emotions are boiling in me, it's time to show the eggs:

        1. assam4
          assam4 19 June 2014 22: 15
          0
          Clinton then laughed in response to this statement by Yeltsin ...
      4. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 19 June 2014 17: 54
        +5
        Quote: herruvim
        They fight not by number, but by skill.


        Yeah, I believe with pleasure. Especially in Hollywood action movies ...
        1. sarov 69
          sarov 69 19 June 2014 18: 21
          +8
          Exactly, I would like to see the "Hero" somewhere on the ground with an AK versus 30 mm. 2A42, which has a greater sighting range than the AK maximum.
    2. Peter Timofeev
      Peter Timofeev 19 June 2014 17: 39
      -2
      Maybe you don’t need panic sighs? This is a war, but there are losses in a war, and like all normal people, my heart breaks from this, I want to help. But Kutuzov at one time left Moscow to Napoleon and he was not understood and it seemed that everything was lost. Judging by the actions of the Kremlin, Putin controls the process.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 19 June 2014 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: Petr Timofeev
        Maybe you do not need panic sighs?


        A lot of products were brought to ATB, the entire area of ​​the store is littered with boxes, goods are laid out on the winds. (Proof - Joyful grandmothers) # Nikolaevka


        That's what I learned from LJ!
        Began. Tank battles on the Red Estuary

        Slavyansk Reinforcement 2 tank T-64 19 06 2014

        In general, I don’t know who and what to believe! Where is the propaganda, where is the misinformation, where is the sketch from the Great Dukes! Only the number of Strelkov’s pages on the network leads into a stupor!

        And Tymchuk grinds something strange again!
      2. lenamir
        lenamir 19 June 2014 18: 10
        +1
        Your words, yes to God’s ears ....
      3. scout
        scout 20 June 2014 01: 35
        +1
        I will support but in my opinion here the majority is opposed to our government (((
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    6. Russianin
      Russianin 19 June 2014 17: 56
      +4
      Self-proclaimed Donetsk
      People’s Republic reported a fight
      which takes place under the village under
      Yampol. At the moment, the village
      storm the tanks.
      "There is a hard fight, Yampol storms 20
      tanks and about 50 units another
      armored vehicles, as well as at least 2
      infantry battalions, ”says the
      message DNR on Twitter.
      The message also notes that in battle
      used attack aircraft Su-25 and
      heavy artillery - self-propelled guns
      "Carnation".
      Yampol is an urban-type settlement in
      Krasnolimansky district of Donetsk
      regions of Ukraine with a population
      a population of about 2 thousand people.
      Earlier at the headquarters of the militias
      stated that in Artemovsk Donetsk
      areas began intense combat
      actions.
      "Shelling the village of Zakotnoye, the city
      Seversk, the outskirts of Artyomovsk.
      Militias respond with fire, coming
      severe fierce combat
      Ukrainian technicians
      security officials, ”the headquarters said. By
      according to the militia, the Su-25 attack aircraft
      morning struck an air strike on the city
      Seversk, but was hit by a militia,
      however, it was not incapacitated. By
      According to the militias, the city began
      panic.
    7. kuzia rocker
      kuzia rocker 19 June 2014 17: 59
      +32
      Ukrainians are a strange people? praying for the Bandera working for the Jews dying for the Americans and blaming the Russians for everything
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 18: 03
        +4
        Quote: kuzia-roker
        Ukrainians are a strange people? praying for the Bandera working for the Jews dying for the Americans and blaming the Russians for everything


        Let's not generalize. I will look at you when Russian-speaking consumers put a knife in your back in a difficult moment for the country ...
    8. anip
      anip 19 June 2014 18: 27
      +6
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Put down the number? Ring shrinks This is a scribe

      Did you expect anything else? Almost from the very beginning everything was clear. Igor Ivanovich already said his thanks.
    9. Vita_vko
      Vita_vko 19 June 2014 19: 13
      +1
      Latest News on the topic http://rusvesna.su/news/1403188147
      Everything is absurdly somehow. How can one complete a detachment where 3/4 of non-fired fighters? After all, the hedgehog is clear that you need to complete with the exact opposite.
      Secondly, who was the “smart” one who put them in the direction of the main attack?
      And it is still not clear why the DRG go to the rear and destroy the block of posts, while not cutting off communications for the transportation of fuels and lubricants and ammunition, which is much easier and more efficient? I’ve never heard that anyone would set fire to a fuel truck, a tank or derail a military train. Is it really so difficult to shoot at him with a tracer or mine roads that are not really guarded?
      All these contradictions only say that not everything is so simple. Either we are not saying something, or some kind of incomprehensible big game is being played.
    10. APASUS
      APASUS 19 June 2014 22: 23
      +7
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      In public social. networks, it’s already impossible to enter, tens and hundreds of corpses of Russian people every day ..

      The faint of heart is better not to watch
    11. Znayka
      Znayka 19 June 2014 22: 49
      0
      It was reported that Shoigu openly stated at a closed meeting in the State Duma that the RF Armed Forces would not intervene in the conflict in Ukraine (((In this situation, maybe the militia should get away from the strategy of holding checkpoints and cities? Dill has an overwhelming advantage in manpower and equipment (in aviation, helicopters, tanks.) And if you go to a guerrilla war? Divide into many small (10-20 people) groups and go into the woods ..? Every day and night, strike at dill checkpoints, at columns of moving equipment , according to the structure of support, etc. ... The advantage of the Nazis in aviation and armored vehicles will be reduced to naught (you won't see especially anyone in the "green", and you won't turn around on a tank ...) With the support of the local population, I mean the provision of food, such groups can function for a very long time (remember the story). What can the junta oppose in this case ??? Massive bombing will not help here ... and you still need to find somewhere to bomb ... How many months will Ukropovsk stand army with endless shelling, explosions of land mines, with an endless stream of 200s and 300s? How many months will the breathing Ukrainian economy withstand the ongoing hostilities? I do not pretend to be true, but maybe as an option, eh .. ?
      1. 26rus
        26rus 19 June 2014 23: 22
        +3
        Quote: Znayka
        ) And if you go to a guerrilla war? Divide into many small (10-20 people) groups and go into the woods ..?

        Everything would be right, only one BUT ... Where is the forest there? Only forest belts.
        1. Znayka
          Znayka 19 June 2014 23: 40
          0
          Damn, well, I ****** always thought that there were forests in Ukraine ... Maybe only in the Western one ??? As far as you remember the history, there "Banderas" sat there almost up to 60 years ...
  2. rereture
    rereture 19 June 2014 17: 15
    +25
    Strelkov's message


    1. Artist
      Artist 19 June 2014 17: 28
      +34
      Judging by the words and intonation of Strelkov, things are very sad. Most of all they killed the words that Moscow might have enough conscience to do something. I think he is not lying, the situation is really critical. Moscow merges the defenders of the DNI. Very sadly ...
      1. urii
        urii 19 June 2014 17: 40
        +15
        Of course not lying. just saying in plain text. if it’s closed, then someone will have to make a breakthrough, that is, a corridor.
      2. pg4
        pg4 19 June 2014 17: 44
        +22
        And as usual, dozens of killed civilians, refugees in the Rostov region, and Putin meeting with some minister will show on the news.
        1. cthutq
          cthutq 19 June 2014 21: 21
          +4
          .
          Quote: pg4
          And as usual, dozens of killed civilians, refugees in the Rostov region, and Putin meeting with some minister will show on the news.

          Just watched the news, you looked into the water. Bravo am
      3. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 19 June 2014 17: 50
        -5
        hi
        I agree that the situation is stalemate, but Russia is not ready now to fight for these two areas with all of Europe and America. Yes, and the inhabitants of Ukraine, including and so-called New Russia, not supporting the Kremlin’s policies, is enough. So the Liberation War, unfortunately, will NOT work, although many in Russia would like it ...
        1. pg4
          pg4 19 June 2014 18: 07
          +16
          Well, so what was all this talk from the mouth of the GDP about the Russian world and so on.
          In the West, and so they are watering us competing among themselves who are dumber.
          It was enough to supply the militias a month ago with bronics, thermal imagers, RPG7, SVD, Strelkov directly announced screw cutters.
          Special forces could make a number of sabotage at the airfields where military aircraft are based, because all the forces are pulled to the Donbass.

          in principle, a lot of things could be done if we consider that we are nearby, our brothers are there and they are asking for help.
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 19 June 2014 18: 34
            -9
            hi
            You, what, seriously believe that the leadership of the militias and the People’s Republics has no connection with the command of the units of the Russian army, including and delicate specialization, as well as appointed officials of the state apparatus? And they act completely at their own peril and risk, so to speak on bare enthusiasm? ...
            1. pg4
              pg4 19 June 2014 18: 43
              +7
              hi
              So if there is a connection with the command of the Russian army units, incl. and delicate specialization, as well as appointed officials of the state apparatus, why on a global scale we are seeing a shrinkage of the ring around the entire militia and, most importantly, the lack of real help in real hostilities.
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 19 June 2014 18: 54
                +3
                hi
                Why?
                Not around ALL militias, but local ones ...
                There is fighting, a war, everyone who is not lazy, is ACCUSED of Russia for participating on the side of the militia (terrorists and separatists), Strelkov asserts with his statements that Russia has no reason for this conflict ...
                1. pg4
                  pg4 19 June 2014 19: 25
                  +4
                  Over the past few days, the militia left several settlements due to the lack of forces and mainly proper weapons. The junta has been monitoring positions north of Lugansk for a couple of days now.
                  Russia is already blamed for everyone who is not lazy, but here it’s a direct sin not to spit in the direction of a neighbor. The main fact of the lack of assistance / lack of assistance is the current situation.
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 19 June 2014 19: 42
                    0
                    hi
                    Do you think you are smarter than the head of state with the apparatus of intelligence, analytics, defense, etc. units? Or do you know something that they don’t know and own the entire array of information on this issue?
                    What is your education and military rank? What gentlemen have you occupied throughout your life to expose the country's leaders in NOT competence?
                    1. pg4
                      pg4 19 June 2014 20: 00
                      +5
                      This is not an accusation of competence, but a banal listing of facts. In addition, you are well aware that some of the liberal traitors remained in the government and even occupy important government posts and the inability of the state to put Serdyukov with virtually proven guilt is confirmation.
                      and the number of people with a similar point of view is growing every day and this is a natural reaction to what is happening
                    2. cthutq
                      cthutq 19 June 2014 21: 39
                      +8
                      Quote: Apologet.Ru
                      hi
                      Do you think you are smarter than the head of state with the apparatus of intelligence, analytics, defense, etc. units? Or do you know something that they don’t know and own the entire array of information on this issue?
                      What is your education and military rank? What gentlemen have you occupied throughout your life to expose the country's leaders in NOT competence?

                      I think that many of the members of the Forum have a corresponding military education, and ranks, and combat experience. And about smarter or not smarter ... For example, I consider myself and many members of the Forum at least more honest than the comrades you listed. These uncles for 30 pieces of silver leaked us to spirits in one of the southern republics of Russia, then they passed us, our addresses and surnames to the prosecutors of this republic. Then they threw him out on the job cuts, for health reasons, etc. Then they ruined the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and do not say that the Head knew nothing and did not know. The fact that now the army began to be reborn was not His merit, but His holy duty.
                      In the meantime, I’m sorry, I don’t believe him and the citizens and organizations you listed. hi
                    3. BEGGAR
                      BEGGAR 19 June 2014 22: 10
                      +1
                      we know that their geeks and grandmothers are behind a cardon and that’s enough. They don’t give a damn about mines and people with disabilities. Doloy Kremlin junta
                2. woron333444
                  woron333444 19 June 2014 22: 11
                  +4
                  The militia is not easier
      4. Vita_vko
        Vita_vko 20 June 2014 00: 18
        0
        The situation is certainly difficult, just as there were situations both in Afghanistan and in Chechnya, when our companies and battalions pulled together superior enemy forces and then called fire on themselves. They also could not help. Therefore, there is too much doubt that Putin and Russia are capable of leaving the people of New Russia. Most likely, everything is being done now so that the troops of the Kiev junta would give up all their strength, believe in their impunity and be left without reserves. And the fact that the majority, including those abroad, have the illusion that Russia will not intervene in the conflict, is very good. So the effect of surprise will be achieved and used 100%.
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    3. Horde
      Horde 19 June 2014 17: 42
      +14
      Quote: rereture
      Strelkov's message


      Yes, IGOR IVANOVICH had to start from Moscow, it was here that the nest of traitors ...
  3. novobranets
    novobranets 19 June 2014 17: 17
    +9
    The fighting in the southeast takes place after the statements of Petro Poroshenko that the Ukrainian army and the National Guard are going to cease fire unilaterally.
    Parashik, the faithful upbringing of the Nindos. What is not a word is nonsense. How does the earth carry this pubic louse. am
  4. Sergei75
    Sergei75 19 June 2014 17: 18
    +8
    Pancake! But there are no subpoenas in the mailbox ...
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 19 June 2014 18: 00
      +4
      Quote: Sergei75
      Pancake! But there are no subpoenas in the mailbox ...


      And you do not wait ...
  5. Oleg amos
    Oleg amos 19 June 2014 17: 19
    +39
    We’ll see what you’ll be commenting when, in a month or four, we will discuss how Novorossia didn’t happen. Here are the adherents of the tricky plan: we do not have Ukrainians with salvo fire, we do not shoot Ukrainians, we do not have Ukrainians with guns and finally I’ll finish the attack: the junta went on the offensive to Slavyansk, with such weapons as we can’t CUT! and we must face the truth. Aviation in general is half the success, especially if the enemy has poor air defense! And yet, Putin wants or not the Ukrainians will involve the war now or then, only if Now Novorossia is our partner, then they will kill this partner and go to the Crimea. Just like at 41, our villages were bombing and Stalin repeated the mantra: the main thing is not to succumb to provocations!
    I don’t care about the cons, I don’t care about the people, Putin, finally announce the decision and take the Russians to your place, don’t care about this Donbas.
    1. holler
      holler 19 June 2014 17: 26
      +17
      You are right, unfortunately ... "the one who chooses between shame or war - shame, he gets shame and war."
      1. Vend
        Vend 19 June 2014 17: 37
        +5
        Yep, exactly. Poroshenko chose the war along with the entire pro-American clique. These certainly will not be disgraced. They chose the war, they will be white and fluffy.
        1. Evgeniy1
          Evgeniy1 19 June 2014 18: 30
          +6
          Dear, you have forgotten the ancient saying - "THE WINNERS DO NOT JUDGE" and "WINNERS WRITE HISTORY".
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    3. Egoza
      Egoza 19 June 2014 17: 30
      +13
      Quote: Oleg Amos
      Let's see what you will comment when in a month or four we will discuss how Novorossia didn’t

      Quote: Oleg Amos
      Putin, finally announce the decision and take the Russians to you, do not care already this Donbas.

      Very simple!!! Sorry, but LEAKED !!!

      The Russian side submitted to the UN Security Council an updated draft resolution on the situation in Ukraine, said the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Alexander Lukashevich.

      According to him, The document includes references confirming the Security Council’s commitment to the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Ukraine, ITAR-TASS reports.
      Accordingly, NO RECOGNITION of the LC and the DNI !!!!
      I really hope that the European mongrel will also fail this offer !!! (until they understood what was at stake) !!!
      1. socrates7
        socrates7 19 June 2014 18: 18
        +5
        There are times when diplomats do not just need to listen, but need to be closed in some kind of remote room so as not to hear, because they are already annoying, but also not to see their indifferent faces. Now they are talking dolls for me.
      2. Evgeniy1
        Evgeniy1 19 June 2014 18: 34
        +5
        Dear, didn’t you think that SOMEONE is saving the ASSETS.
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      4. gfs84
        gfs84 19 June 2014 19: 31
        +2
        When they "merge", in my humble opinion, no one allows to organize this in their Capital:

        The government of the Donetsk People’s Republic opens a representative office in Russia. “The government of the Donetsk People’s Republic is opening an official representative office of the DPR in Russia, which begins work in Moscow,” Interfax quotes the words of the Prime Minister of the DPR, Alexander Borodai. Andrey Rodkin, Advisor to the Prime Minister of the DPR, Head of the State Reserve Committee of the Government of the Republic, was appointed as the head of the representative office. According to Mr. Boroday, the established official representative office is the only body in Russia that is officially authorized to make any statements on behalf of the DPR and to coordinate activities in the Russian Federation in the political sphere, information policy, humanitarian activities and other issues related to the life of the republic.


        http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2494460

        And without the "blessing", no one in South Ossetia would recognize the independence of the LPR ...
        And it is not for us to run ahead of the "steam locomotive" ...
        1. sarov 69
          sarov 69 19 June 2014 21: 48
          +1
          It is interesting to see, if so, how this "Government in exile" will work and with whom, if tanks of dill pass through Donetsk.
      5. kare
        kare 19 June 2014 21: 02
        +4
        Fidget SU
        Very simple!!! Sorry, but LEAKED !!!

        Elena, Putin promised his not throwbut he didn’t promise not merge
        Teeth grinding, unfortunately, cannot be displayed on paper
        1. BEGGAR
          BEGGAR 19 June 2014 22: 22
          0
          who are their own for Putin?
    4. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 19 June 2014 17: 32
      +8
      Quote: Oleg Amos
      Putin announce

      I’ve read it, I’d rather not live

      http://cccp-revivel.blogspot.ru/2014/06/blog-post_9572.html
    5. Horde
      Horde 19 June 2014 17: 44
      +5
      Quote: Oleg Amos
      don’t care already this Donbas


      Donbass Russian do not care, and who are you?
      1. Oleg amos
        Oleg amos 19 June 2014 17: 53
        +5
        And what's next, that you don’t care, from this it will become ours, or the killings of civilians will stop.
        By the way: I’m a Russian Jew, you can take me to the fifth column or the Zhidomasson, from this I will not stop loving the country in which I was born and a Christian
        1. Horde
          Horde 19 June 2014 18: 18
          -2
          Quote: Oleg Amos
          And what's next, that you don’t care, from this it will become ours, or the killings of civilians will stop.
          By the way: I’m a Russian Jew, you can take me to the fifth column or the Zhidomasson, from this I will not stop loving the country in which I was born and a Christian


          YOU WOULD BE SHUTTERED BY A NON-RUSSIAN JEWISH generations of our Russian ancestors stood behind this land, and no one is going to hand it over to your Kolomoisk brothers,
          Putin also runs to the synagogue, then to the Orthodox church, and as a result, DRAINS RUSSIAN, hell you understand what kind of people ...
    6. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 19 June 2014 17: 54
      +1
      MO RUSSIA suspended the withdrawal of troops from the border And began to pull in the Rostov region, the transfer of aviation and so much more is happening now. So I don’t think that the DPR merges the GDP, who says that and thinks either a panicist or a Cossack is screened! I’m sure that everything is under control! And if we don’t know, this does not mean that nothing is happening, the fate of the fraternal people is at stake, RUSSIA in particular, and who will let the situation get out of control.
      1. rereture
        rereture 19 June 2014 17: 59
        0
        Proof please about

        And he began to tighten in the Rostov region, the transfer of aviation and so much more is happening now.
        1. Tatarus
          Tatarus 19 June 2014 18: 22
          +3
          Aircraft are being flown. Again the sky is buzzing. More often at night.
          1. rereture
            rereture 19 June 2014 18: 41
            +1
            Hope it's true.
      2. tokin1959
        tokin1959 19 June 2014 18: 46
        +1
        throw, yes.
        they even scream at the censor - THE RUSSIANS WILL NOT TRANSFER THE BORDER, THEY ARE DETERMINING - so that the Riflemen and OTHER TERRORISTS DO NOT BE LAUNCHED FROM UKRAINE TO RUSSIA.

        so we’ll be realistic, they will not let anyone in — they will leave ukra to be torn to pieces, and those who go all the same will be scattered in prisons, Ukrainians will be extradited.
        Russians - here they will send an article.
        refugees will also be escorted to the territory of urkaina in 90 days.
    7. sarov 69
      sarov 69 19 June 2014 18: 26
      0
      Exactly, it’s a pity that I can’t immediately put 100 pluses.
    8. BEGGAR
      BEGGAR 19 June 2014 22: 18
      0
      It’s sinful to compare Putin with Stalin. Putin in Russia beats us with short salaries, pensions disproportionate to prices in stores, utilities and fines
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 20 June 2014 01: 02
        +2
        Judging by your nickname, what is your favorite song? Not yet vmerla. So when? crying wassat
    9. smile
      smile 20 June 2014 00: 44
      +1
      Oleg amos
      Tell me, if we don’t surrender New Russia, will you personally repent as fiercely as you expose now? :))) Something is doubtful ... your many like-minded people never do this ... in principle ....
      By the way, I want to note - in your dispute with the Horde below, I support you absolutely ... we still didn’t have enough to find out who is closest genetically to the Nibelungs ..... :)))))
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 20 June 2014 01: 00
        +1
        Quote: smile
        Tell me, if we don’t surrender New Russia, will you personally repent as fiercely as you expose now? :)))

        There will be no request Goes to launch satellites into space as agriculture wassat Hi Toothy drinks England Nhouse negative
  6. asar
    asar 19 June 2014 17: 20
    +9
    Ehhh! The militias desperately need heavy equipment !!! HEAVY EQUIPMENT REQUIRED!
    1. coolvoldik
      coolvoldik 19 June 2014 18: 03
      +3
      We urgently need armored vehicles and heavy weapons - because of their lack in sufficient quantities (and simply in minimal quantities), people are dying and dying in our country! Now 7 wounded have been brought from near Yampol. I know for sure about 2 "two hundred" (I think there are more of them). Apart from the tank, the enemy had 4-5 BMDs knocked out. But if we had AT LEAST ONE TANK there, then the enemy would not even poke his head around! And there would not have been these losses ... We need combat armored vehicles everywhere. Near Slavyansk, near Kramatorsk, near Donetsk, near Lugansk, near Snezhnoye, near Saur-Mogila. At least in a ratio of 1 to 10 - and we will be able to firmly hold our positions, and if 1 to 5 - we will start to attack ... But alas ... Probably, on paper we have been "helped" for a long time. And, probably, they are already "twisting holes for orders" for this help.

      Igor Gunmen
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    3. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 19 June 2014 18: 43
      +3
      About the technology. Artyomovsk (DPR) BTT storage base. Techniques for approximately 1 tank division (for each 1BK tank) On the map between Levanevsky and Tchaikovsky streets, the map is enlarged to the visibility of each piece of equipment. There is also a junta block diagram.https://mapsengine.google.com/map/u/0/edit?mid=zFVZ1P...Near Artyomovsk, Paraskovievka had weapons depots, a warehouse stocked until the end of the 80 years (reserve for the district). There aren’t even junta checkpoints near these points. The question is, where are the militias, they don’t need this weapon and weapons for free ?? ? And didn’t you try to buy the unit commander for 2 million green instead of Kalamo and Avakov? This confrontation is somehow strange, there are very dark and incomprehensible spots.
  7. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 19 June 2014 17: 21
    +16
    I wonder what the president of Switzerland, who arrived in Moscow on May 7, could put such pressure on Putin. After all, after this visit, the GDP slows down (as it seems to me).
    1. rereture
      rereture 19 June 2014 17: 27
      +7
      How what? He said: they’ve found your accounts, Volodya, we’ll freeze it, we’ll take the business from our daughter. You also have to stay.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 19 June 2014 17: 35
        +12
        Quote: rereture
        How what? He said: they’ve found your accounts, Volodya, we’ll freeze it, we’ll take the business from our daughter. You also have to stay.

        Yes, and he doesn’t have these accounts alone ...
        Of course it’s funny to draw pictures that the geyropa is scared when Putin is silent. But it’s stupid to be silent and pretend that nothing happens when there is a war with the Russian people who are now fighting for Russia, including. For the president, this is not only not normal, but just the height of cenicism ...
        If now pressed by sanctions, then clamp.
        1. rereture
          rereture 19 June 2014 17: 38
          +3
          Yes, and he doesn’t have these accounts alone ...

          This is so clear. Let's see how events develop.
          1. Zenturion77
            Zenturion77 19 June 2014 17: 58
            +7
            Guys, if it itches like that, then go fight, show by your example. And then they worked it out: "Putin leaked. Putin leaked."

            Z.Y. not that I am specifically addressing you, but to all who are in love with it.

            ZZ.YY. How long has this damned ATO been going on? Will it be 3 months soon? And the shooters never run out of cartridges, and even MANPADS appear, so help is coming.

            The fight is a viscous and quick business.
            1. socrates7
              socrates7 19 June 2014 18: 14
              +6
              Shooters openly say that we need other help, hard help.
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 19 June 2014 20: 16
                +1
                Strelkov - the battalion commander in the great war, if it is necessary to win, they will calmly sacrifice him. He knew what he was going to and was ready to die for what he believed. If dill had a sane command, then what they are doing now they would do 2 months ago. They would simply stupidly crush him with a mass and the fact that he still holds is a miracle. He fulfilled his mission - fettered the main forces of the atom and gave the time for the DPR and LPR to prepare. In general, the fact that Ukrainians inflict such massive strikes on cities suggests that they do not think that they will restore them, which means they put up with the loss.
        2. Cams
          Cams 19 June 2014 18: 21
          -2
          Why is it not written anywhere that the United States is very interested in Russia entering Ukraine and becoming drawn into this war?
          Why is this not written as often as the fact that Russia should enter Ukraine? !!
          It seems that all the pro-American trolls who have been "frozen" so far were involved ....
          DO NOT Russia get involved in this war! It is impossible !!!
          Of the two evils, the lesser is chosen. So it turned out that the lesser evil is not to support the South-East of Ukraine.
          The greater evil is the entrance to the war, from which there may be no way out ...
          1. shalk
            shalk 19 June 2014 19: 55
            +3
            Quote: KAMLS
            So it turned out that the lesser evil is not to support the South-East of Ukraine.


            It turned out where? And who decided, decided that this evil is less? It is not yet known how this will end for Russia.
        3. BEGGAR
          BEGGAR 19 June 2014 22: 29
          +1
          I agree with you, no matter what moves the militias, these people are fighting for us today
      2. Rostov
        Rostov 19 June 2014 18: 51
        +1
        Quote: rereture
        How what? He said: they’ve found your accounts, Volodya, we’ll freeze it, we’ll take the business from our daughter. You also have to stay.


        Sergey, if you follow your logic, please explain why then did Putin get involved in all this? Why did you do that to Crimea? In your opinion, at that moment he forgot about his accounts and daughter, or maybe he did not calculate the consequences?

        And in fact, an incomprehensible situation. On the one hand, there is no evidence of real support for Novorossiya by our government at the moment. On the other hand, all Russian channels daily show us the horrors of what is happening. If the decision is made to "drain" Donbass, why is all this shown? How to connect one with the other? What is it for?

        Move on. In Donetsk and Lugansk regions there are many, few, but there are military units in which there are also armored vehicles (for example, tank in Artyomovsk). When did the REAL military operation against the militias begin? Why were these parts not captured? Or besides Strelkov there were no pros there?

        And why do I have a whole car. Do you have respected forum users? Can any of you give an answer to at least one question? I will be grateful.

        Py.Sy. And why Yatsenyuki, Tyagniboki, etc. let Yanukovych escape? Or how much?
        1. rereture
          rereture 19 June 2014 19: 06
          +1
          Sergey, if you follow your logic, please explain why then did Putin get involved in all this? Why did you do that to Crimea? In your opinion, at that moment he forgot about his accounts and daughter, or maybe he did not calculate the consequences?


          Most likely, he didn’t calculate all the consequences or hoped that the West would be scared, and Crimea was an important geopolitical point, and it also played into the hands of the fact that we had a base of the Black Sea Fleet there.
          But Putin made a major mistake: he decided to play in public and throw words at a press conference. No one pulled his tongue when he talked about protecting the Russians.

          And in fact, an incomprehensible situation. On the one hand, there is no evidence of real support for Novorossiya by our government at the moment. On the other hand, all Russian channels daily show us the horrors of what is happening. If the decision is made to "drain" Donbass, why is all this shown? How to connect one with the other? What is it for?


          I don’t watch TV, because of its absence, but I can assume that all this shows what would distract from what is happening in our country. And the events in Ukraine are very hot news, which you can’t do for the sake of rating.

          Move on. In Donetsk and Lugansk regions there are many, few, but there are military units in which there are also armored vehicles (for example, tank in Artyomovsk). When did the REAL military operation against the militias begin? Why were these parts not captured? Or besides Strelkov there were no pros there?


          You yourself answered this question, except for Strelkov there are no professionals there.

          Py.Sy. And why Yatsenyuki, Tyagniboki, etc. let Yanukovych escape? Or how much?


          The most logical option is that the golden eagle took it out. What and how much they promised he did not know.
          1. Rostov
            Rostov 19 June 2014 20: 30
            0
            Quote: rereture
            rereture (2) Today, 19:06 ↑

            Most likely, he didn’t calculate all the consequences or hoped that the West would be scared, and Crimea was an important geopolitical point, and it also played into the hands of the fact that we had a base of the Black Sea Fleet there.
            But Putin made a major mistake: he decided to play in public and throw words at a press conference. No one pulled his tongue when he talked about protecting the Russians.


            Such decisions, in our time, are probably not taken. So the questions remain.
            1. BEGGAR
              BEGGAR 19 June 2014 22: 35
              -1
              What would surely have been a war
  8. krpmlws
    krpmlws 19 June 2014 17: 21
    +7
    But all of this nightmare could have been avoided by the timely introduction of troops to the territory of SE.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 19 June 2014 17: 38
      +9
      Quote: krpmlws
      But all of this nightmare could have been avoided by the timely introduction of troops to the territory of SE.

      Troops, do not, would give weapons in abundance and dill would wash their blood. Then the war would quickly end ...
      1. Orik
        Orik 19 June 2014 17: 58
        +4
        Quote: Russ69
        Troops, do not, would give weapons in abundance and dill would wash their blood. Then the war would quickly end ...

        The defense of Yampol is just ONE SPG-9, 1 tank and 5 armor are destroyed, the calculation is destroyed. Seversk defended a platoon armed only with small arms.
        Conclusions, even if help was provided, it was clearly insufficient.
  9. Imperial
    Imperial 19 June 2014 17: 21
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    Seversky Donets did not force the enemy - we are holding bridges for now. They entered Seversk from the south - from their camp in Robin. This is not easier, of course, but we have not yet given them connect.
  10. aleks 62
    aleks 62 19 June 2014 17: 21
    +4
    ..... Bad news ..... Very bad ...
  11. zzz
    zzz 19 June 2014 17: 22
    +3
    In Lugansk, too, went on an assault.
  12. RUSS
    RUSS 19 June 2014 17: 23
    +3
    that Kiev uses armored vehicles, aircraft, artillery.

    How do you think Dozhmut Donbass?
    1. zzz
      zzz 19 June 2014 17: 26
      +11
      Quote: RUSS
      that Kiev uses armored vehicles, aircraft, artillery.

      How do you think Dozhmut Donbass?


      Hope dies last
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 17: 27
      +9
      Quote: RUSS
      that Kiev uses armored vehicles, aircraft, artillery.

      How do you think Dozhmut Donbass?


      Yes. Russia will express deep concern and ask official Kiev to treat the population living in the territory of the anti-terrorist operation in a humanitarian way and observe all conventions there. In turn, Poroshenko will call Putin, and assured that all the rights of Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine will be respected
    3. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 19 June 2014 17: 27
      +2
      If the current attitude of ordinary people (Donetsk inhabitants) to what is happening remains the same, they will squeeze the mass. And very soon.
    4. Oleg amos
      Oleg amos 19 June 2014 17: 30
      +5
      If before he doubted, now there is no but, without the powerful support of at least weapons, then yes, do not even doubt it.
      Py in full f..e, it is F ,, E, if Putin enters the army now, then we will save Novorossia and they will declare us aggressors, if Putin does not enter the troops now or they will kill Novorossia and attack the Crimea, and then again we are the aggressors and...
    5. yanus
      yanus 19 June 2014 17: 31
      +11
      Quote: RUSS
      that Kiev uses armored vehicles, aircraft, artillery.

      How do you think Dozhmut Donbass?

      If there is no direct intervention by Russia, then this is a matter of time and the number of those killed.
      Stupidly tanks will "throw" and with heavy losses, but still "squeeze" ...
    6. Russ69
      Russ69 19 June 2014 17: 43
      +6
      Quote: RUSS
      How do you think Dozhmut Donbass?

      They will finish ... They simply have nothing to oppose. Forces, alas, are not equal ...
    7. smile
      smile 19 June 2014 17: 49
      +1
      RUSS
      No, we cannot afford it, even if we really wanted to. But, I believe, no one in their right mind and firm memory can say that we want this. I repeat, anything can happen there, but we will not allow strangling New Russia.
      1. Horde
        Horde 19 June 2014 17: 57
        -3
        Quote: smile
        I repeat, anything can happen there, but we will not allow strangling New Russia.


        and who are you?
        1. smile
          smile 19 June 2014 18: 17
          0
          Horde
          We are Russia. Whole country. Including the leadership of this country. I do not separate myself from the country. And you yourself hto?
          1. Horde
            Horde 19 June 2014 18: 31
            +5
            Quote: smile
            We are Russia. Whole country. Including the leadership of this country. I do not separate myself from the country. And you yourself hto?


            straight and ALL RUSSIA? But Makarevich against the introduction of troops into the Crimea and Novorossiya, we like him, not Russia? there are a lot of such people, it seems that Putin is listening to their opinion, thanks at least he doesn’t bomb the novoros ...
            1. smile
              smile 19 June 2014 19: 28
              0
              Horde
              Yes, we really have a lot of people like Makarevich. By the way, they are the most consistent critics of Putin all these years. The bulk of the tales that our opponents of the "regime" broadcast from these people.
              And about your gratitude to Putin for not bombing himself ... all the help from a minibus with food to armed volunteers is the result of Putin’s decision to skip them, and not only them. At present, all borders and the border territory are under the most severe control; the corresponding regimes for the activities of special services have been introduced. etc., so that it is not necessary to say completely unfair things here.
    8. Eugeneleee
      Eugeneleee 19 June 2014 17: 50
      +5
      No, they will not squeeze. Although the losses today will be serious.
  13. yurik
    yurik 19 June 2014 17: 25
    +17
    “I have just returned from the battlefield near Yampol,” Strelkov said in an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda. “We have heavy losses - in equipment, in weapons, for one simple reason - there the enemy threw over a hundred armored vehicles at us with powerful support artillery, with the support of "Grads", mortars. The first attack our soldiers repulsed - knocked out one tank. But with 15-20 tanks to cope with two recoilless guns somehow still difficult. The battle continues there, our soldiers are holding there, but to in the evening, it is not excluded, the enemy will be able to break through. On the other hand, it makes no sense to hold the Yampol position after the surrender of Seversk. Our garrison will be completely encircled, and will fight in the same way as the garrison of the Brest Fortress probably fought - without any supply ".

    "For my part, I endure deep gratitude to the Russian Federation, which supports us so" powerfully ". But I still hope that conscience, if it is found in Moscow, will still be enough to take some measures. Thank you," conclusion of the Shooters.

    Every day the situation there is getting worse and worse, the forces are not equal .... All of Russia helps the Donbass Resistance, who is humanitarian, who uses military ammunition and everything turns out to be in vain only because of the treacherous policy of the Kremlin, all sacrifices and efforts are in vain !!!
    1. holler
      holler 19 June 2014 17: 34
      +1
      Our troops are already at the border. They are waiting for Shoigu to arrive, and maybe he will bring the ORDER.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 19 June 2014 17: 45
        +3
        Quote: hollger
        Our troops are already at the border. They are waiting for Shoigu to arrive, and maybe he will bring the ORDER.

        There will be no order, the border will be strengthened and calm down ...
        I will be glad if I make a mistake ...
      2. urii
        urii 19 June 2014 17: 51
        +4
        Are they going to write there or who is it for good reason? A resident of the mining town of Gukovo in the Rostov Region, located 10 km from the Ukrainian border, said that over the past three days there have been two to three times more troops in the city. “Previously, on the streets it was possible to meet no more than 20 combat vehicles, now their number is approaching 50, you can meet soldiers everywhere,” he said.

        In recent days, several video evidence of the movement of military convoys towards the Russian-Ukrainian border has been posted on the Internet. About 50 KamAZs loaded with BMP-3s and armored personnel carriers were spotted on Tuesday in the town of Novoshakhtinsk, Rostov Region. About 200 army trucks with tilt bodies, Tiger armored cars, gas tankers and military medical vehicles were shot on Wednesday at the border of the Voronezh region with Rostov. The black military license plates indicate the 76th region, which indicates that the equipment belongs to the former Ural military district, which has been part of the Central Military District since 2012.

        One of the officers serving in Yekaterinburg that about half of all military personnel from their city had been deployed to the Ukrainian border for several months, and after the order to withdraw troops from the border, they did not return to the Urals. According to him, we are talking about 2-3 thousand troops. A RBC source in the 76th Pskov Airborne Division said that almost the entire staff of the Second Separate Brigade of the GRU Special Forces deployed in the village of Promezhitsa on the outskirts of Pskov was transferred by air to the border regions. This is about 1,5 thousand troops.
        1. old man
          old man 19 June 2014 18: 51
          +3
          So the eagles who wanted to go to jail for draining the secret data to the enemy. TOTAL SPEAKER FIND !!
        2. fox21h
          fox21h 19 June 2014 19: 55
          0
          Quote: urii
          Are they going to write there or who is it for good reason? A resident of the mining town of Gukovo in the Rostov Region, located 10 km from the Ukrainian border, said that over the past three days there have been two to three times more troops in the city. “Previously, on the streets it was possible to meet no more than 20 combat vehicles, now their number is approaching 50, you can meet soldiers everywhere,” he said.

          In recent days, several video evidence of the movement of military convoys towards the Russian-Ukrainian border has been posted on the Internet. About 50 KamAZs loaded with BMP-3s and armored personnel carriers were spotted on Tuesday in the town of Novoshakhtinsk, Rostov Region. About 200 army trucks with tilt bodies, Tiger armored cars, gas tankers and military medical vehicles were shot on Wednesday at the border of the Voronezh region with Rostov. The black military license plates indicate the 76th region, which indicates that the equipment belongs to the former Ural military district, which has been part of the Central Military District since 2012.

          One of the officers serving in Yekaterinburg that about half of all military personnel from their city had been deployed to the Ukrainian border for several months, and after the order to withdraw troops from the border, they did not return to the Urals. According to him, we are talking about 2-3 thousand troops. A RBC source in the 76th Pskov Airborne Division said that almost the entire staff of the Second Separate Brigade of the GRU Special Forces deployed in the village of Promezhitsa on the outskirts of Pskov was transferred by air to the border regions. This is about 1,5 thousand troops.

          The point is that they have already been at the border 100 times, again the mattress mats will protest and again take them away, the masks show a pancake, but well, yes, we will also express our concern, how did they "deceive" us, the parasenok said that they would stop the violence, he would stop, cut out who remained and did not have time to escape, and the rest to the filtration camps.
        3. BEGGAR
          BEGGAR 19 June 2014 22: 45
          0
          Well, God forbid, they should defend their land as a sacred cause. We are also recruiting for a contract at military registration and enlistment offices. Maybe not everything is lost. But before this it was necessary to do this, we would have done without blood
      3. Orik
        Orik 19 June 2014 18: 03
        0
        Quote: hollger
        Our troops are already at the border. They are waiting for Shoigu to arrive, and maybe he will bring the ORDER.

        The troops on the border are useless when there is no Caesar in Rome.
        The order can also be conveyed differently, tea is not the eighteenth century, but a shoigu is not a courier, and he is a military leader only by name.
        1. BEGGAR
          BEGGAR 19 June 2014 23: 00
          -1
          Aunt (land in flux) the chief accountant for the Ministry of Emergencies mentioned that by the arrival of the shoigu girls-two-year-olds from the medical institute had driven him. But women loved Zhukov without money
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      1. alex56
        alex56 19 June 2014 17: 36
        +2
        The question is when? Will it be too late (
    3. smile
      smile 19 June 2014 17: 57
      0
      yurik
      If there had been a treacherous position of the Kremlin, then the borders would have been closed instantly and not a single machine gun, not a single volunteer, not a single column with help would seep through them. On our border territories ... well, let's say, reinforcement has been introduced, some measures are being taken to tightly control both our and out-of-border territories, any groups of "tourists" on both sides, and much more.
      Are you really unable to understand that all the advertised and non-advertised help goes there solely due to the will of the Kremlin, which, in your opinion, is not good?
      1. urii
        urii 19 June 2014 18: 18
        +1
        Yes, they would have disowned a long time ago. If they wanted to. And all the leaders of New Russia would know about it. Then they would have already gone to Russia. Apparently help. Is. But not enough. So they promised something. They didn’t merge right away. Then they are waiting for something.? and right now a critical moment has come. not according to plan. maybe it's time? we'll see.
  14. Yaks
    Yaks 19 June 2014 17: 25
    +2
    I would like to believe that no
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 19 June 2014 17: 43
      +2
      Quote: yaks
      I would like to believe that no


      Probably want, "as in a movie" - at the last moment.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 19 June 2014 17: 56
        0
        Keane will not be "cinematographer" merged.
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  15. Lehanset
    Lehanset 19 June 2014 17: 27
    +7
    How to live further ?! I do not know how to see the situation anymore!
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 17: 34
      +1
      Quote: Lehanset
      How to live further ?! I do not know how to see the situation anymore!


      My friends who wanted to go to Russia for permanent residence, from a relatively calm region, if only in a non-Bandera country, have now stopped. If the Donbass is drained, then in Russia the Russian Khan will be merged.
      1. smile
        smile 19 June 2014 18: 08
        +6
        Nevsky_ZU
        Listen, you are very clever, and very competent, with great pleasure I usually read your comments and very often agree ... I appeal as a friend ..., forgive me, stop hysterics .... I don’t need you to explain what panic and what it threatens? I do not need to explain what the screams lead to - they betrayed us. abandoned, surrounded? Do you think in vain of such in a combat situation, if you can’t put it ... let's say, to silence - they shoot? I repeat - I respect you very much, but please calm down. And I know that even the strongest and most experienced person can panic in a stressful situation ... and make mistakes ... why I do, I don’t know, but it is.
        But your friends, this decision will be very expensive. I personally know people whose relatives for similar reasons did not leave Chechnya ... and even from Lithuania. Next to continue?
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 20: 09
          +1
          Quote: smile
          Nevsky_ZU
          Listen, you are very clever, and very competent, with great pleasure I usually read your comments and very often agree ... I appeal as a friend ..., forgive me, stop hysterics .... I don’t need you to explain what panic and what it threatens? I do not need to explain what the screams lead to - they betrayed us. abandoned, surrounded? Do you think in vain of such in a combat situation, if you can’t put it ... let's say, to silence - they shoot? I repeat - I respect you very much, but please calm down. And I know that even the strongest and most experienced person can panic in a stressful situation ... and make mistakes ... why I do, I don’t know, but it is.
          But your friends, this decision will be very expensive. I personally know people whose relatives for similar reasons did not leave Chechnya ... and even from Lithuania. Next to continue?


          Yes, I understood already, I got upset .... The shooters spoke so disgustedly on the video, plus he described in detail that almost a tank corps was against them, so that became sad. I will not panic anymore, I believe in Russia! soldier
          1. smile
            smile 19 June 2014 20: 31
            +3
            Nevsky_ZU
            I am very glad that you answered that way. I don’t know if this matters to you, but I began to respect you even more. Few people can write that. With character means with you - God forbid everyone. And nerves ... everybody has nerves, me too. And I had tantrums ... only they were quiet from me - I don’t understand from the outside ... outwardly - it just wedged ... out of fear .... :)))
  16. Gexzloy
    Gexzloy 19 June 2014 17: 28
    +10
    it is difficult for militias against the regular army, even such a wretched one as the Ukrainian, without the help of outside a matter of time.
  17. alex56
    alex56 19 June 2014 17: 28
    +8
    I wonder where Gubarev tanks and grads?
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 19 June 2014 17: 29
      -2
      So I remembered the pressed three units. Shooters, can you tell me where they are fighting?
      1. urii
        urii 19 June 2014 17: 56
        0
        today I’ve read not 2 units anymore. but many tanks. Gubarev in contact posted
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 17: 30
      0
      Quote: alex56
      I wonder where Gubarev tanks and grads?


      As where? On Twitter.
      1. alex56
        alex56 19 June 2014 17: 34
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Quote: alex56
        I wonder where Gubarev tanks and grads?


        As where? On Twitter.

        In the course of Gubarev or bolobol. Which is sad.
        Or the current losing militia DNI is beneficial to him. Which is doubly sad. And smacks of betrayal.
        1. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic 19 June 2014 17: 46
          +1
          In the course of Gubarev or bolobol. Which is sad.


          Or who? Tell the truth, Dear! At all she speaks in her tongue, but no one dares to express her ...
          1. Imperial
            Imperial 19 June 2014 17: 51
            +1
            Gubarev has nothing to do with it, read Strelkova (Kotych) http://forum-antikvariat.ru/topic/204348-%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D

            1%81-%D1%8E%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D

            0%BE-%D1%84%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0/page__hl__%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8B%D1%

            87__st__2500 And who? Well, in the video, he clearly thanked someone. Although the treatise Sun Tzu, no one has canceled.
        2. BEGGAR
          BEGGAR 19 June 2014 23: 06
          0
          they are commerce, which is very annoying
      2. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 19 June 2014 17: 44
        0
        Speak the truth !!! Exactly! hi
      3. smile
        smile 19 June 2014 18: 13
        +3
        Nevsky_ZU
        The taken technique was demonstrated on numerous commercials. Therefore, she is. And if it is not being used now, then this is the decision of the command. What are his reasons, we know it can not be. Or do you think she was thrown in the trash?
    3. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 19 June 2014 17: 33
      +2
      ... and where are the miners with weapons?
      1. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 19 June 2014 17: 49
        +2
        In the face ... Or in the binge?
    4. mr.Man
      mr.Man 19 June 2014 17: 54
      +3
      Quote: alex56
      I wonder where Gubarev tanks and grads?

      I didn’t hear that he was talking about hail somewhere (maybe he missed it ...),
      but there are tanks, only there is no one to plant in them (there is a lot of pressure with tankers), and the license with category "B" will not work here ...
      1. alex56
        alex56 19 June 2014 18: 04
        +2
        Gubarev wrote on Twitter, as I understood, that there were a lot of tanks and 2 installations of hail.
        Plus I saw the news (though I don't remember where :() that the commander's base, the base in Artyomovsk, was "bought" and he merged from Ukraine.
  18. pg4
    pg4 19 June 2014 17: 29
    +3
    The junta has not yet used aviation, armored vehicles and artillery in complex and in large numbers.
    Without help, they won’t last long.
  19. fred967
    fred967 19 June 2014 17: 29
    +2
    PARASIAN truce promises.
  20. Giant thought
    Giant thought 19 June 2014 17: 30
    +5
    I do not want to believe that traitors are sitting in the Kremlin. I think that help will take place in the near future.
  21. bda
    bda 19 June 2014 17: 30
    +8
    Quote: IOwTZ
    I wonder what the president of Switzerland, who arrived in Moscow on May 7, could put such pressure on Putin. After all, after this visit, the GDP slows down (as it seems to me).


    - And what is Switzerland known in the world for?
    “Probably cheese holes.”
    1. zzz
      zzz 19 June 2014 19: 55
      +1
      Quote: bda
      Quote: IOwTZ
      I wonder what the president of Switzerland, who arrived in Moscow on May 7, could put such pressure on Putin. After all, after this visit, the GDP slows down (as it seems to me).


      - And what is Switzerland known in the world for?
      “Probably cheese holes.”


      These cheese holes may decide the outcome ...
  22. portoc65
    portoc65 19 June 2014 17: 31
    +13
    Unequal forces. Guys-Heroes. I’m meaner Than Poroshenko has not yet seen. Now the whole Donbas is rising. The junta is just hysterical, I decided to squeeze .. I’m already bashing .. During the Second World War, they didn’t fight like they are now, they are going to die. Lord stay alive.
  23. Beccer
    Beccer 19 June 2014 17: 34
    -2
    Two thoughts in my head ...... 1) or deliberately confusing ukrov knocks down, so to speak, so that they stand up at full height, so that it would be easier to shoot them. 2) ..........?! Here it is more complicated. What does he mean to say that all these months he spent his military arsenal? Or maybe he dug up some kind of vein with ammunition, so he held on ?! And it is not necessary like this .... "Thanks to Russia for your support", in the end this is your "theme" and there is nothing to make jokes about. They have a revolution there once a decade, and for some reason they did not overlook it. Let's put 150 million people under attack now because of Novorossia and start the third world war, but why not ?! I also look at that politician!
    1. Oleg amos
      Oleg amos 19 June 2014 17: 39
      +3
      And what will we do if they go to the Crimea, according to your logic, give it away and the main thing is `` JOY '' (c) `` Kin dza dza ''
    2. lars
      lars 19 June 2014 17: 39
      0
      I want to believe that the first option
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    4. Umnichka
      Umnichka 19 June 2014 19: 32
      +1
      You, old man, a traitor ... Because of some New Russia, you say? And how does it differ from Voronezh or Rostov in fact? Or because of them, if that, too, we will not risk starting the 3rd world? With this approach, we will be crushed and destroyed 100%, without options ... Do not let our own - it has always been a condition for the survival of the Russian world. Let’s hand over Novorossia - we won’t stop and stop, then there will be no more Russia.
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  24. Manager
    Manager 19 June 2014 17: 34
    +15
    Everyone is talking about ethnic hatred. I will say so! We will not support our brothers now, we will never return our relationship. We will lose this brotherly people completely. In the literal and figurative sense. And other countries like Serbia will also draw conclusions from this.
    This is a fucking business in high politics around wine.
  25. bda
    bda 19 June 2014 17: 34
    +7
    Quote: RUSS
    that Kiev uses armored vehicles, aircraft, artillery.

    How do you think Dozhmut Donbass?


    If we do not help, there is no doubt that they will squeeze.
    Stupidly rocked with artillery and then rolled out with caterpillars. And there is nowhere to hide there - neither mountains nor forests: the steppe, but the steppe all around ...
  26. snifer
    snifer 19 June 2014 17: 35
    +9
    and Strelkov said two days ago that they were regrouping and would strike at the same time, hey in the Kremlin, you think you are immortal there, because you’ll end sadly with such a policy of traitors and hang them at all times. Putin, be a man, help the guys.
  27. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 19 June 2014 17: 38
    +6
    Meanwhile, according to the Ukrainian media, everything was exactly the opposite, and just under the guise of as many as 15 tanks, militiamen went on the offensive.

    "KIEV. June 19. UNN. Near Yampol and the village of Zakatnoye, a battle is now taking place. Eyewitnesses counted 15 enemy tanks, of which they were firing," UNN reports with reference to the All-Ukrainian Committee "Offensive".

    In particular, as of 10.00 hours, from the direction of Artyomovsk, 6 KAMAZ trucks with people went to help the enemy. Activists report that they also recorded KAMAZ with weapons, in particular a machine gun.
    Aviation arrived to help the Ukrainian military. Local residents also ascribe to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine on the Donetsk Railway, D. Shevchenko, assistance to the actions of the separatists "

  28. Dmitriy1975
    Dmitriy1975 19 June 2014 17: 42
    +3
    I feel the brothers we are on the verge of a larger schucher, something will happen and most likely in the coming days, but what?
  29. bda
    bda 19 June 2014 17: 43
    +9
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    Quote: alex56
    I wonder where Gubarev tanks and grads?


    As where? On Twitter.


    Most of the reports about "columns of tanks", whether they crossed the border, or out of nowhere appeared from the militias-misinformation from the media coming out. They are in this way
    on the one hand, they preemptively inflate the myth of "Russian intervention" turning into "Russian aggression"
    on the other hand, they justify their own failures (not the militias show miracles of courage, and ukro-fighters are just cowards, but, they say, ukro-fighters are fighting almost against the tank army of General Rybalko, only in a modern version),
    Well, and on the third side (you see, in passing) - they feed the Russian audience with illusions that "everything is fine with the militia - and they will figure it out without us - they are about to go to Kharkov, and then to Kiev."
  30. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 17: 45
    +3
    What is better to do, if after all the drain of Novorossia will be:

    1. Go to Taiga, so as not to see how Russian civilization perishes in every sense.
    2. Get stuck under the Russian-speaking consumer, who is all for x ... y (for me personally it is impossible, in fact, killing himself)
    3. Go to the Kremlin and become an instrument of the West in the overthrow of power and the fall of Russia? (and if you do not become a direct tool, you will still weaken Russia and disorganize it, which is still up to the West as long as we take power)
    4. Your option?
    1. rereture
      rereture 19 June 2014 17: 49
      +3
      I face the same choice recourse
    2. Carlos
      Carlos 19 June 2014 17: 49
      0
      The first option is unambiguous. The law is taiga, for the prosecutor is a bear. Just remember that the most dangerous beast in the taiga is a person.
    3. Manager
      Manager 19 June 2014 17: 50
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      4. Your option?

      Wait until the decision of our wise leader. So far, there was no reason to doubt his wisdom and him.
    4. snifer
      snifer 19 June 2014 17: 51
      0
      same story sad
    5. Imperial
      Imperial 19 June 2014 18: 06
      +2
      We open the Russian classics and read, where the classics of Russia die about 300 years ago. Generations are changing, the usual way of life is leaving, in 90, too, they talked a lot about the new generation, there were bandiukas, welds and so on, scum, BUT! and there were 6 companies and not only her.
    6. saag
      saag 19 June 2014 18: 26
      -2
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      4. Your option?

      Revive the All-Russian Communist Party of Bolsheviks nationwide, 17th year near
      1. rereture
        rereture 19 June 2014 18: 44
        +4
        No thanks. The Communists have already proved their failure, at first they could not save the USSR, then they could not do anything in 1993, then they turned into a pocket party of the Russian government.
        1. saag
          saag 19 June 2014 18: 57
          +1
          and what would you do when you would be shot from tanks? We already see that oligarchic capitalism and its fans will merge anyone for the sake of money; fascism, as the story goes, was by no means capitalism.
          1. rereture
            rereture 19 June 2014 19: 17
            +1
            and what would you do when you would be shot from tanks?


            Let's skip the events of 1993. Why was it allowed to merge the USSR in 1991?

            fascism, as the story goes, it was not capitalism that won


            Yes? Socialism won?
            People won. When the very existence of the country and the people was compromised, then he won.

            Did the Russian-Turkish wars win socialism with communism, too?
            1. saag
              saag 19 June 2014 20: 07
              0
              Quote: rereture
              Did the Russian-Turkish wars win socialism with communism, too?

              and there was fascism?
              Quote: rereture
              Yes? Socialism won?

              People united by the communist idea won, it was preferable to defend the existing system than what the Germans painted for them, but there were those who agreed to cooperate, then they were caught, judged, some were shot, others were sentenced
              Quote: rereture
              Why was it allowed to merge the USSR in 1991?

              And here it is the ring of history, because Novorossia is now being drained, money, a thirst for money from the very top, I wanted to take everything in the country into my hands, the shopkeeping woke up in the soul of the first leaders and the rest rushed there, thingism, imported clothes, but this is at the level of an ordinary a citizen, but at the level of top officials, this is thingism on a countrywide scale, people began to break down and people looked and thought that now that he would heal, everyone started pulling a blanket over himself and away we go, Georgia, Chechnya, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, people they started killing each other in the process of redistribution, they said to everyone that he was fighting for a just cause, the wars were over and the division of finances began, instead of a seven-banker, a much larger number of oligarchs turned out, they just don't write about them that often, it's bad to write about important people , and now when they hinted from Switzerland about possible problems with certain finances in the accounts, so immediately the verbal husk flew off somewhere, but people are still killed and everything is redistributed in the same process, money is ruled by l, do you still like it when you, a person, are put in priority at the very end after money, power and other amenities?
              1. rereture
                rereture 19 June 2014 20: 21
                +1
                People united by the communist idea won, it was preferable to defend the existing system than what the Germans painted for them, but there were those who agreed to cooperate, then they were caught, judged, some were shot, others were sentenced


                When I asked my great-grandfather about the Patriotic War, and asked what you were fighting for in general, he answered: “For relatives, For my land, For my homeland,” without saying a word about the “communist idea” or the party. And I am sure that, first of all, people went to defend their homeland, their land, and not to defend the "socialist system", and secondly because of revenge (the enemy burned down his home, killed his family).


                And here it is the ring of history, because Novorossia is now being drained, money, a thirst for money from the very top, I wanted to take everything in the country into my hands, the shopkeeping woke up in the soul of the first leaders and the rest rushed there, thingism, imported clothes, but this is at the level of an ordinary a citizen, but at the level of top officials, this is thingism on a countrywide scale, people began to break down and people looked and thought that now that he would heal, everyone started pulling a blanket over himself and away we go, Georgia, Chechnya, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, people they started killing each other in the process of redistribution, they said to everyone that he was fighting for a just cause, the wars were over and the division of finances began, instead of a seven-banker, a much larger number of oligarchs turned out, they just don't write about them that often, it's bad to write about important people , and now when they hinted from Switzerland about possible problems with certain finances in their accounts, the verbal husk flew off somewhere, but people were still killed and everyone was redistributed in the same process, money was corrected Do you still like it when you, a person, are put in priority at the very end after money, power and other amenities?


                Who has fed you such a tree? The country began to break the national republics which were brought up by the USSR, and to whom the drunkard in Ufa said "take as much sovereignty as you can swallow"

                Communism differs from capitalism, only to those who own the means of production. A people - under communism, a private person - under capitalism. But what difference does it make to hell, who they belong to, the ruling elite of the bankers, or the ruling elite of the Communists.

                We need to take the best from capitalism and from communism. There should be enterprises, both private and state, as well as joint ventures.
        2. Imperial
          Imperial 19 June 2014 19: 46
          +1
          No thanks. The Communists have already proved their failure, at first they could not save the USSR, then they could not do anything in 1993, then they turned into a pocket party of the Russian government.
          Sorry, but where are the Communists, did you see them in your eyes? There are Orthodox who are for their own, and there are others who are their own. If someone calls himself a communist, this is not a fact, the same applies to any self-designation, and they are judged only by deeds, amen!
          1. rereture
            rereture 19 June 2014 19: 55
            +2
            and only by their deeds they are judged, amen!


            That's what I judge for business. And indeed, the last of the real Communists died in 1953.

            And I do not trust the Orthodox. Since these "Orthodox" in the past atheists (brought up in the USSR, where scientific atheism was very developed), who rushed to "Orthodoxy" in the 90s, are, in short, traitors.
            1. Nevsky_ZU
              Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 20: 06
              +2
              That's what I judge. And in general, the last of these Communists died 1953 th


              I agree with that. But be careful with such statements, one of my close relatives, this phrase is often repeated. Type all mud..ki who now uses the left rhetoric and nostalgic, as a result, now the Russian-speaking Russophobe, almost Bandera .... (succumbed to the radical picture from Kiev, thought now they will start throwing everyone out of the classrooms, and now in nationalist ecstasy, and then that nobody was thrown out of the seats, it’s all Moscow ... if)
              1. rereture
                rereture 19 June 2014 20: 38
                +1
                No, worry, I won’t become a Russophobe. hi

                And the left has already compromised itself so many times that I just don’t believe it.
                For example, my parents were in the Communist Party, in the presidential election in 2012 they were observers at one of the polling stations, as a result, they were given the task of the Communist Party to provide 80% of the vote for Putin.

                Parents were in the Communist Party from 2010 to 2014, then left. Motivating by the fact that this party is useless, and primarily created for "the appearance of opposition and the appearance of a choice."
                I am already silent about harassment by my bosses at work when my mother refused to vote for United Russia in 2011.
    7. Grbear
      Grbear 19 June 2014 19: 23
      +1
      NevskomuZU-y
      Sir, reading your early comments, I had a different opinion about your fighting qualities.
      If you have depresnyak, then go and drink, but do not splash the negative around you.

      The soldier who thinks he was betrayed is already dead, even before the command "-Forward". soldier
      1. rereture
        rereture 19 June 2014 19: 33
        +2
        No need to get drunk. You need to turn off the TV, read books, and generally take a break from this, spend time with family or friends. Better without alcohol. hi
      2. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 19: 53
        0
        Quote: GrBear
        NevskomuZU-y
        Sir, reading your early comments, I had a different opinion about your fighting qualities.
        If you have depresnyak, then go and drink, but do not splash the negative around you.

        The soldier who thinks he was betrayed is already dead, even before the command "-Forward". soldier


        Got it. I will leave. soldier
    8. smile
      smile 19 June 2014 20: 04
      +3
      Nevsky_ZU
      I do not know. who did you ask. but you can answer me.
      I am absolutely serious because I understand your mood. I speak only about their actions.
      1. By virtue of my personal diverse experience in this particular area, I, regardless of whether Russia can defend Novorossia. or not. First of all, would take out a family from there. Definitely. First, now you can still withdraw and take shape as refugees. Secondly, to live under the Bandera now, or live in the database area of ​​the enemy is not
      I wish. I gave up everything, because nothing matters compared to the life of my relatives. And then I would come back. If Russia had been defeated in Novorossia, I would have survived. would return to Russia. To the family.
      2. As for the subsequent actions ..... You know, the children do not cut the mother, even if the mother has gone into hard drinking, even if the bad neighbor, who is going to seize her mother's apartment, encourages you to kill, and even promises a little money. In the history of Russia, Mothers, there have been such periods, but it has been restored. Is always.
      Further - the matter of your conscience. But I can say for sure that then, I, as now, would make every effort so that our Maydaun marsh brothers could not destroy Russia. I have already lost my country. I actually lost my home. And I do not intend to lose anything more. I will die, but I will not run anywhere from Russia, although I have a lot to run, and they will arrange me well there. And I will die, but I will not see the victory of the swamp maydauns. And if for this it will be necessary to fill the district with blood, regardless of - whose it is - I will do it. With no doubt. Although it will be painful and unpleasant for me.

      I apologize for the style, but I tried to answer you as honestly as you deserve.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 20: 22
        +2
        smile (2)

        Nevsky_ZU
        I do not know. who did you ask. but you can answer me.
        I am absolutely serious because I understand your mood. I speak only about their actions.


        Sure you may :)


        1. By virtue of my personal diverse experience in this particular area, I, regardless of whether Russia can defend Novorossia. or not. First of all, would take out a family from there. Definitely. First, now you can still withdraw and take shape as refugees. Secondly, to live under the Bandera now, or live in the database area of ​​the enemy is not
        I wish. I gave up everything, because nothing matters compared to the life of my relatives. And then I would come back. If Russia had been defeated in Novorossia, I would have survived. would return to Russia. To the family.


        Unfortunately, I don’t have my own family. I hope to work out. Now I live again with my parents, who, as if softer to say, for the Maidan. Russian father from Siberia. Former warrant officer (GDR) Drives to Russia in black. I recently got drunk and started to drive me out of the house, because I don’t want to go to defend Ukraine from Russian invaders. Am I going to leave? Yes, I am going to do the paperwork. From the experience of friends, I know that you need to collect a lot, so that officials in Russia do not snort nose. I’m not really hoping for any Putin programs and simplifications, but I’ll try.

        2. As for the subsequent actions ..... You know, the children do not cut the mother, even if the mother has gone into hard drinking, even if the bad neighbor, who is going to seize her mother's apartment, encourages you to kill, and even promises a little money. In the history of Russia, Mothers, there have been such periods, but it has been restored. Is always.
        Further - the matter of your conscience. But I can say for sure that then, I, as now, would make every effort so that our Maydaun marsh brothers could not destroy Russia. I have already lost my country. I actually lost my home. And I do not intend to lose anything more. I will die, but I will not run anywhere from Russia, although I have a lot to run, and they will arrange me well there. And I will die, but I will not see the victory of the swamp maydauns. And if for this it will be necessary to fill the district with blood, regardless of - whose it is - I will do it. With no doubt. Although it will be painful and unpleasant for me.


        I subscribe to every word. Upon arrival in Russia, I will beat your liberal dolb in the street ... c. After I find a job, and where I will sleep, I want to go through an accelerated course of a fighter. Because unfortunately and shame did not serve in the army. He studied for six years, but did not want to go to 25. Now I regret. However, what infuriates and torments me, that after myself never left anyone, I mean children. (this is not an excuse, I really want to, and then at least die in battle)

        I apologize for the style, but I tried to answer you as honestly as you deserve.


        Yes, everything is fine.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 19 June 2014 20: 32
          +3
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Upon arrival in Russia, I will beat your liberal dolb in the street ... c.

          But this is not necessary! And then of them instantly make a dead idol, as from Politkovskaya! And he replenish the ranks of Russian, sitting on the 182-th.
          Better come, start a family with children, and bring them up correctly, despite the opposition of the media culture! It is more difficult, but more correct.
          1. Nevsky_ZU
            Nevsky_ZU 19 June 2014 20: 37
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            Upon arrival in Russia, I will beat your liberal dolb in the street ... c.

            But this is not necessary! And then of them instantly make a dead idol, as from Politkovskaya! And he replenish the ranks of Russian, sitting on the 182-th.
            Better come, start a family with children, and bring them up correctly, despite the opposition of the media culture! It is more difficult, but more correct.


            If this is the case, then most likely in Novosibirsk, there are distant relatives there .. what I remember how outraged I was that in February, the 2012 of the year, the belolentochniki, even in Novosibirsk, took to the streets, and began to burn Putin and Medvedev dolls ... Damn, in the city where they collect the legendary, you can say SU-34, and what couldn’t they? They also sarcastically said that in the morning it was -41, and what peppers they came out to all-Russian protest
        2. smile
          smile 19 June 2014 20: 54
          +1
          Nevsky_ZU
          Thanks for the answer .... Hmm .... hard ... in this case, the breakdown is even more clear .... Sorry ....
          Most likely, they will not take you to the militia. Just because fighting spirit does not replace skills, and meaningless heroic death will only mean that. that the combat mission assigned to you will not be completed. And do not be ashamed of the fact that you did not serve, there is nothing to be ashamed of, you are no worse than those who served. Nothing.

          Regarding the fact that you do not rely on our programs - you hope so, I can only speak obscene about them, and it would be very important that you go not to anywhere but to someone. At least to friends. To help you. Otherwise, it will be very difficult .... very .... even to get into the militia (and if you don’t get involved, then evacuate) it will be difficult for you to get in otherwise than through friends ... otherwise the counterintelligence of New Russia may already have questions for you .. ..
          But the most direct route to Russia with accelerated legalization would be via Novorossia ... but it is risky. I admit, I can’t say that I would decide on it ....
          Once again, I apologize for the harshness.
          Good luck to you!
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 June 2014 20: 26
        +1
        Quote: smile
        smile

        Hello Vladimir! hi
        With Nevsky memory it is understandable - emotions. It's hard to be cold-blooded when it comes to you (and it concerns). We are all like that.
        Regarding Mom's binge - I agree, if Mom has worms in her head, this is not the time to do trepanation when the enemy is in the yard. But! Can you take an antibiotic course more intensively? Those doses that are now being offered to our economy are clearly not enough!
        And do not apologize for the style, we are adults, the main thing here is honest, and from the heart!
        1. smile
          smile 19 June 2014 20: 56
          +1
          Ingvar 72
          Hello. And you our hi with a brush :)))
          I agree. I completely agree.
    9. zzz
      zzz 19 June 2014 20: 06
      0
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      4. Your option?


      Clone Stalin.
      1. smile
        smile 19 June 2014 21: 09
        +1
        zzz
        Hello!
        You, please, do not scold and do not hit me .... although, since I respect you very much (absolutely seriously), I will endure not that :))) But I want to bring a parallel. Like any comparison. this parallel is slightly lame. but the general - is ....
        Until the age of 39, the Poles behaved towards Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians, who lived in the twenties lands captured by Poland in much worse. than the current fascists in Ukraine ... as part of the sanitation policy of polonization, tens of villages were burned, tens of thousands of people were shot ... Polish Defensiva organized such atrocities that the current Ukrainian Security Service simply could not smoke so much ... and Stalin did not intervene ..... well, there were no forces ... just like there were no forces at the beginning of the thirties to counteract the fishermen of Sweden and Japan, fishing and processing on the shores of the USSR covered their fleet ... in our towers ... and we didn’t even blather - there were no forces. A distinctive feature of Stalin’s actions was that he always initially acted slowly, but surely ... without bothering with emotions ... and did the right thing ... to a very small extent, Putin's style in this regard is similar ... very small .. But it looks like ... :)))
  31. Oleg amos
    Oleg amos 19 June 2014 17: 45
    +5
    The question is, how many Kremlin traitors of the Chechen war are behind the bars?
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 19 June 2014 19: 11
      +2
      Oleg amos-y
      Listen, you, some kind of Jew, are not you too "active"? And your activity with a "taint," or rather, it stinks.
  32. bda
    bda 19 June 2014 17: 48
    +4
    Quote: herruvim
    They fight not by numbers, but by skill ...


    This saying can, as a notation, be told to the commanders (from the regiment commander and above) who have been in office for at least a year (commanding their current people).
    Otherwise, it’s just demagogy!
    By the way, this idea belongs to the great A.V. Suvorov, who himself considered one of the most important guarantees of his victories to be the fact that all his military leader's life he commanded the same people - soldiers and officers, whom he himself had nurtured for many years and heroes "they were" not for a catchphrase, but were really trained, trained and harmonious over many, many years of service.
    So it is necessary to support, naturally, not only with weapons, but with ammunition, but also with shots of people trained and harmonious with each other.
  33. Pentarhist
    Pentarhist 19 June 2014 17: 51
    +2
    Please sign
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    I urge the organization of the creation of Volunteer units in the fight against genocide in Ukraine.
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  34. Old Cynic
    Old Cynic 19 June 2014 17: 57
    +4
    1. Go to Taiga, so as not to see how Russian civilization perishes in every sense.
    2. Get stuck under the Russian-speaking consumer, who is all for x ... y (for me personally it is impossible, in fact, killing himself)
    3. Go to the Kremlin and become an instrument of the West in the overthrow of power and the fall of Russia? (and if you do not become a direct tool, you will still weaken Russia and disorganize it, which is still up to the West as long as we take power)
    4. Your option?


    1. Get into the ongoing binge.
    2. To commit suicide.
    This is the most elementary ...

    Oh, dear, you just slashed me with a simple agricultural tool on the subject of the male exterior ... As for me, I don’t see an answer yet ... But I see only a dark abyss over which the laughing face of Bykov - Silbeltrud is ominously visible. sad
  35. Oleg amos
    Oleg amos 19 June 2014 17: 57
    -1
    I urge our government, if protecting Donbass is not in YOUR interests, just get all the Russian people out of there!
  36. Russianin
    Russianin 19 June 2014 17: 58
    0
    Self-proclaimed Donetsk
    People’s Republic reported a fight
    which takes place under the village under
    Yampol. At the moment, the village
    storm the tanks.
    "There is a hard fight, Yampol storms 20
    tanks and about 50 units another
    armored vehicles, as well as at least 2
    infantry battalions, ”says the
    message DNR on Twitter.
    The message also notes that in battle
    used attack aircraft Su-25 and
    heavy artillery - self-propelled guns
    "Carnation".
    Yampol is an urban-type settlement in
    Krasnolimansky district of Donetsk
    regions of Ukraine with a population
    a population of about 2 thousand people.
    Earlier at the headquarters of the militias
    stated that in Artemovsk Donetsk
    areas began intense combat
    actions.
    "Shelling the village of Zakotnoye, the city
    Seversk, the outskirts of Artyomovsk.
    Militias respond with fire, coming
    severe fierce combat
    Ukrainian technicians
    security officials, ”the headquarters said. By
    according to the militia, the Su-25 attack aircraft
    morning struck an air strike on the city
    Seversk, but was hit by a militia,
    however, it was not incapacitated. By
    According to the militias, the city began
    panic.
  37. marina1811
    marina1811 19 June 2014 17: 58
    +5
    Lord, this is some kind of nightmare. The whole world froze, all people know what is really happening. few say about it (in the West at least. But nothing will change if you rely only on a peaceful solution. It's like trying to negotiate with a bandit on the street and appeal to his conscience. Fuck, hit in the face, groin, where anything, just don’t stand like a pillar! Guys in Slavyansk and elsewhere, hold on! Putin, go from words to deeds! They won’t judge the winners, they’ll beat cowards. Better let them be destroyed physically if they can, then mentally. And I’m sure that so we pile on both Ukrainians and Ukrainians! Because the truth is after us. And they all went to ...
    1. old man
      old man 19 June 2014 19: 21
      0
      Krylov's fable \ wolf and lamb \
  38. ViRUS-007
    ViRUS-007 19 June 2014 18: 00
    +1
    Yes, and we are all in the United Nations Organization (UN), we prepare resolutions on Ukraine and whine that they are crushing them .... We must, as a.me., "give a shit" at all and introduce a no-fly zone and transfer weapons to Novorossiya ! And then how they scream in Iraq, well, sometimes you made a mistake there, we supported here ...

    Although Syria has also been written off by many, there are a lot of armored vehicles on Assad’s side, and Novorossia has just a little, they would have 30-50 pieces. fists and 30-50 boxes and pepe .. dill !!
  39. SergeyZel
    SergeyZel 19 June 2014 18: 02
    +1
    There is a suggestion. Let's get away from the term “siloviki” and will use the term “punishers” in the situation to Ukraine. For Westerners this term is like oil on the soul. SS Division "Galichina" - their dead, but with all their heart desired, dream. Who contributed to the rapid breakthrough of the German fascist troops through the territory of Ukraine, who mortally wounded Vatutin, who destroyed the Kuznetsov group, and did much more vile things. Westerners !!! And what is positive. Yes, there was Prince Daniel Galitsky. It was, while there was an alliance with the Grand Duke of Vladimir, Saint Alexander Nevsky. Saint Alexander was gone, and there was nothing left of Galicia.
  40. Russianin
    Russianin 19 June 2014 18: 03
    +1
    The ring around Slavyansk is compressed -
    militia about battles for Yampol
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    Militia Vladislav spoke about the battles for
    settlement Yampol Donetsk
    area. According to him, there
    fierce fighting continues. Militia
    waiting for reinforcements, which should
    come up in the evening.
    “They knocked out our one tank, in response
    enemy fire destroyed the calculation, began
    to break through. Task set
    hold out until the evening waiting
    reinforcements. Take a parade step
    they will fail but the ring is compressed
    around Slavyansk. If the ring closes,
    there will be no supply, nothing will be.
    There is no light and water there. it
    targeted blockade of populated
    point, this is genocide, ”Vladislav is sure.
    It was previously reported that Ukrainian tanks
    storming Yampol, in clash with
    parties to the Kiev forces involved 20
    tanks, 50 units of other armored vehicles, and
    also at least 2 infantry battalions. AT
    attack aircraft used in battle
    Su-25 and large-caliber artillery
    Self-propelled guns "Carnation".
  41. Maxpotan
    Maxpotan 19 June 2014 18: 08
    0
    Secretary General Nato spotted thousands of Russian soldiers on the border with Ukraine. Australia and Germany have already yelled about sanctions. What do you think, forum users, what is it?
  42. bda
    bda 19 June 2014 18: 09
    +2
    Quote: Novel 1977
    Meanwhile, according to the Ukrainian media, everything was exactly the opposite, and just under the guise of as many as 15 tanks, militiamen went on the offensive.

    "KIEV. June 19. UNN. Near Yampol and the village of Zakatnoye, a battle is now taking place. Eyewitnesses counted 15 enemy tanks, of which they were firing," UNN reports with reference to the All-Ukrainian Committee "Offensive".

    In particular, as of 10.00 hours, from the direction of Artyomovsk, 6 KAMAZ trucks with people went to help the enemy. Activists report that they also recorded KAMAZ with weapons, in particular a machine gun.
    Aviation arrived to help the Ukrainian military. Local residents also ascribe to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine on the Donetsk Railway, D. Shevchenko, assistance to the actions of the separatists "


    Perhaps the events described below are meant?

    (http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2014/6/19/22357305)
    Two days ago, the National Guard of Ukraine entered tanks in the city of Rovenki, raised the Russian flag and shot civilians. This was announced at a press conference in Moscow by the deputy of the State Duma, the supreme ataman of the Union of Cossack troops of Russia and abroad, Viktor Vodolatsky, the correspondent of Nakanune.RU reports.


    "Two days ago, a tank battalion of the National Guard passed along the border with Russia, entered the highway in the Rovenki area (this route leads to Rostov). They raised Russian flags and walked along the Rovenki town. Russia came to protect them. In response, they received shots from machine guns, as a result of which several dozen people died, "the deputy said.

    According to him, the journalists sat on the tanks, who filmed all this.

    "So, for sure, today or tomorrow we will see that supposedly Russian armored vehicles entered the territory of Ukraine and shoot civilians." This is an information war, which has no analogues, is being implemented on the territory of Novorossia, "Vodolatsky concluded.
  43. pascal309
    pascal309 19 June 2014 18: 10
    +2
    By the way. When Putin withdrew troops from the border with Ukraine, NATO stated that Russia would not send troops. Such statements just do not. Something happened between Nato from the USA and Russia. Either an agreement, or the fear of losing something, or losing everything. Moreover, the GDP went into silence, it doesn’t like to comment on the situation in Ukraine, and it doesn’t bring in troops, and doesn’t explain why it doesn’t drive. To see it is firmly held by the eggs !! And there’s no cunning plan of Putin !! Looks like Yu-G is really draining !! As he put it, HEAVY HAT OF A MANOMAH !!!
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 19 June 2014 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: pascal309
      GDP went silent

      Putin is always silent in such situations. He speaks before and after. Remember the Crimea. With his silence, the State Department brought hysteria. And the situation in real life is very reminiscent of
      Stalingrad. Yes, and Strelkov: the only anti-tank crew has been destroyed, yeah, the balance of forces "gives out" to the enemy on air.
      All this is muddy during the battle. No one will say anything. And if he says something disu.
  44. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 19 June 2014 18: 15
    0
    Poros gave the command to eliminate Strelkov at all costs. So they try. Will they be able to fight back this time? Maybe they could if the Nazis hit the back of the head. The second Strelkov is needed in Donetsk-Lugansk directly. And the leadership of the DPR-LPR will not come out mainly from Moscow. It would be nice that decides productively and does not hide. It is believed that they hang around there for a reason. Otherwise, it makes no sense at all to start a fight, if you lower your hands in the midst of it.
  45. DPN
    DPN 19 June 2014 18: 15
    0
    Quote: IOwTZ
    ... and where are the miners with weapons?


    Miners earn hryvnias and are not interested in what happens if they only fuss in the kitchen like we did when we woke up in another country. Any of us sitting at a computer who has a good salary, if they raise a voice against their boss, they will tell him that there are long lines behind such gates of an enterprise or office. Therefore, the miners do not want to be outside the gates, they do not need this war.
    So until the mines are turned around, the miners cannot wait.
  46. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 19 June 2014 18: 16
    0
    Pay attention to Ukraine, for whatever it is, people everywhere talk about money like a cygan, a rumor already cuts it the same way you need to forget about honor and conscience that besides money, you don’t care what else!
  47. scout
    scout 19 June 2014 18: 23
    0
    There is no tantrum to raise !!! We do not have the information and the right to decide on troop entry. By returning the Crimea, Putin proved that he doesn’t give a damn about Russia and will not abandon the Russians! If it doesn’t bring in troops, it means early. We can’t even judge the real state of affairs (emotions alone) and Strelkov’s applications can be a targeted disinformation so that there are no hasty conclusions! better whipping up hysteria We will not do it all the same.
    1. rereture
      rereture 19 June 2014 18: 36
      +2
      Having returned the Crimea, Putin proved that he did not care about Russia


      You need to at least do something heroic in your life.


      and Russian will not leave


      He had already abandoned them, how many times had he thrown them in his own country. For example, Putin introduced article 282 in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, migrants are brought in from his submission, this is his initiative to join the WTO, this Pu put the stool secretary of defense. This Putin signed laws toughening punishments for rallies.
      1. scout
        scout 19 June 2014 18: 54
        +1
        Well, tell me what's wrong with the article! In what form do you like migrants more than 1 labor migrants 2 illegal terrorists? Prally toughened up even the execution returned for anti-state activities!
        1. rereture
          rereture 19 June 2014 19: 29
          -2
          Well, tell me what's wrong with the article

          In a nutshell, only Russian guys are sitting on it. This is not to like.
          That is, the usual everyday life: Russian killed non-Russian - 282 murder on ethnic grounds.
          Non-Russian killed Russian - the usual everyday life. Why in the first case they attribute the national question, but in the second not?

          how do you like migrants more than 1 labor migrants 2 illegal immigrants?


          Both labor and terrorists are illegal. Labor dumping the labor market, that is, working for nothing, devalue the jobs in which he works. That is, a janitor in Moscow could receive 30t.r., but a migrant does this work for 10 tr.
          Therefore, no one is going to work for such an RFP. Also, migrants, even honest workers (although there are none), are not averse to engage in criminal activity, since everything rests on the same 10t.r. In short, migrants are harmful in any sauce.
          1. scout
            scout 19 June 2014 20: 13
            +1
            In a nutshell, only Russian guys are sitting on it. This is not to like.
            That is, the usual everyday life: Russian killed non-Russian - 282 murder on ethnic grounds.
            Non-Russian killed Russian - the usual everyday life. Why in the first case they attribute the national question, but in the second not?
            If you are not a nationalist (radical) and have not scored a poor migrant worker with the help of 3-16 friends, then this article does not threaten 99% of you!
            Both labor and terrorists are illegal. Labor dumping the labor market, that is, working for nothing, devalue the jobs in which he works. That is, a janitor in Moscow could receive 30t.r., but a migrant does this work for 10 tr.
            Therefore, no one is going to work for such an RFP. Also, migrants, even honest workers (although there are none), are not averse to engage in criminal activity, since everything rests on the same 10t.r. In short, migrants are harmful in any sauce
            You misunderstood me! I will try to explain ....
            Migrant workers can come to us either for peaceful vacancies (legal or illegal in this case without a difference) or they can be sent by our geo-flying friends with drug caravans or for banal terror inside the country! so I asked in what quality would you like to see them with us?
            I will make a reservation right away there are no other options, they will go for a reason because there is no work in their historical homeland!
            1. rereture
              rereture 19 June 2014 20: 53
              -2
              If you are not a nationalist (radical) and have not scored a poor migrant worker with the help of 3-16 friends, then this article does not threaten 99% of you!


              In any case, even if it was self-defense, and God forbid, if I beat this block of wood or cripple worse, they will attribute 282 article to me as aggravating (such cases, alas, were in judicial practice). There has never been a converse.

              I will make a reservation right away there are no other options, they will go for a reason because there is no work in their historical homeland
              !

              Close the borders and send them to their historical homeland, and for the use of illegal immigrants or their cover, plant up to 3 years with confiscation of property. But no one in the government does this and will not do it. And geopolitical friends, in any case, will send radicals to us. Even so, even so.
              1. scout
                scout 20 June 2014 02: 53
                0
                In any case, even if it was self-defense, and God forbid, if I beat this block of wood or cripple worse, they will attribute 282 article to me as aggravating (such cases, alas, were in judicial practice). There has never been a converse.

                I won’t argue I didn’t come across information I don’t have, the President signed the law and the court should execute it and there the 5th colonn sits and executes as necessary for the State Department (this is an option to continue the discussion), I don’t have any evidence to speak, but it’s easier to say that I don’t see the point, there the neighbor told the cousin’s seven-cousin nephew heard did not find frivolously somehow!
                Close the borders and send them to their historical homeland, and for the use of illegal immigrants or their cover, plant up to 3 years with confiscation of property. But no one in the government does this and will not do it. And geopolitical friends, in any case, will send radicals to us. Though so even so

                Well, in order to send someone to us, we need personnel, but as you know, they are not eternal; one will be beaten there, the other is not enough. But you personally, in the absence of the opportunity to feed the family honestly (albeit semi-legally), even if not for a lot of money, went to engage in terrorism in a once once fraternal country?
                In my opinion, your idea is not right at the root, for it is not migrants who need to be disposed of, but their salaries (migrants) should be raised to the level of the indigenous people of the region where they arrived! But this is being sabotaged by far-sighted entrepreneurs and 5 tons in the Duma.
                1. rereture
                  rereture 20 June 2014 03: 04
                  0
                  I won’t argue I didn’t come across information I don’t have, the President signed the law and court proceedings should execute it and there is 5 tons sitting and executing as necessary the State Department


                  I don’t know how it is with the State Department, but I definitely know that ethnic organized crime groups have long had their own people both in the police and in the courts.

                  In my opinion, your idea is not right at the root, for it is not migrants who need to be disposed of, but their salaries (migrants) should be raised to the level of the indigenous people of the region where they arrived! But this is being sabotaged by far-sighted entrepreneurs and 5 tons in the Duma.


                  This, by the way, is a very good idea, and you can add additional taxes from employers for the use of labor of foreign citizens to the load. Then it will not be profitable for them to hire migrants. But this requires 2 things: 1. Political will. 2. Educated migrants ready to create and / or join unions. Alas, we have none of the other. And the majority of migrants are illiterate.

                  But you personally, in the absence of the opportunity to feed the family honestly (albeit semi-legally), even if not for a lot of money, went to engage in terrorism in a once once fraternal country?


                  I don’t know, most likely not, I didn’t get into this situation.
                  1. scout
                    scout 20 June 2014 03: 47
                    0
                    I don’t know how it is with the State Department, but I definitely know that ethnic organized crime groups have long had their own people both in the police and in the courts.

                    Well, no one argues with this, and how personally I see the president fighting corruption in power.
                    This, by the way, is a very good idea, and you can add additional taxes from employers for the use of labor of foreign citizens to the load. Then it will not be profitable for them to hire migrants. But this requires 2 things: 1. Political will. 2. Educated migrants ready to create and / or join unions. Alas, we have none of the other. And the majority of migrants are illiterate.

                    Migrants, as a rule, go to unskilled labor; education is unnecessary for this. Adaptation to Russian conditions; yes, language training is needed; yes, then you can talk about closing borders for illegal immigrants!
                    I don’t know, most likely not, I didn’t get into this situation

                    And God forbid to get neither you nor Me nor a neighbor from a neighboring state!
      2. gfs84
        gfs84 19 June 2014 19: 09
        +3
        This Putin signed laws toughening punishments for rallies.


        As I understand it, in this phrase lies the main reason for your hostility to the prident?
        I want to pomaydanit, but the "glasses" will suddenly be "closed" ...
        Here, in one country, they were very liberal towards any unauthorized Maidan ....
        What came of this, we are still observing ...
        1. rereture
          rereture 19 June 2014 19: 41
          -2
          As I understand it, in this phrase lies the main reason for your hostility to the prident?
          I want to pomaydanit, but the "glasses" will suddenly be "closed" ...
          Here, in one country, they were very liberal towards any unauthorized Maidan ....
          What came of this, we are still observing ...


          And then on the Maidan? The fact that this law violates my constitutional rights does not count?

          Article 31

          Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully without weapons, hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and pickets.

          The Constitution of the Russian Federation.

          I did not add to this list those laws concerning the Internet that were signed by our president (the law obliging providers to keep your requests for a month, as well as mail and other messaging servers to keep your correspondence for a month). I did not add to this list the law on "Protection of the feelings of believers," which the Russian Orthodox Church pushed through.
          Few?
    2. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 19 June 2014 18: 42
      -2
      Quote: scout
      Having returned the Crimea, Putin proved that he did not care about Russia and did not leave the Russians!


      Nonsense should not be flogged. Crimea simply burst into Russia and I believe that Putin had no where to go but how to take him. Crimeans achieved this, but did not return Putin.
      1. scout
        scout 19 June 2014 19: 06
        +1
        You did not try to find the difference between the Crimea broke into Russia and Ukraine is trying to break into the EU? Both are impossible a priori without money. And since money is needed, someone fills the grievances and sponsors the activities of a certain type of people! To surely break in.
        1. IOwTZ
          IOwTZ 19 June 2014 19: 33
          0
          You probably want to say that Putin sponsored 90% of the Crimean population to be loyal to Russia? Write to Bredyatin, comrade. A little time will pass and disappointment will come from the same Crimea. Have you seen when the Kremlin hosted the ceremony of accession of Crimea and Sevastopol to Russia? What kind of faces did Konstantinov V.A. and Chalova A.M.? They were kind, not sophisticated, cheerful. So, I really hope that when working with Levitin, Chubais, Golikova, Dvorkovich, Yakunin, Shvydkim, etc. these faces remained the same with the people of Crimea.
          1. scout
            scout 19 June 2014 20: 21
            +1
            I didn’t say this)) I said that a certain kind of work was being done with the Crimean electorate! And if this is not so, our FSB eats bread in vain! Yes, and polite people didn’t come from Mars.
  48. Dave36
    Dave36 19 June 2014 18: 23
    0
    well, this is the essence of dill
  49. socrates7
    socrates7 19 June 2014 18: 24
    +4
    And it seems to me, although I could be wrong. This is the second such performance Strelkova. But doesn't it seem that these speeches are specially prepared. This is a kind of informational injection into the heads of maydaunas and having a strictly defined goal.
    1. snifer
      snifer 19 June 2014 18: 31
      +2
      Vryatli, Strelkov spoke and predicted exactly this situation two days ago
  50. nicollider
    nicollider 19 June 2014 18: 25
    +4
    Help, of course, is provided. Of course, the Kremlin, Putin understands the seriousness of the situation. I’ll also say that we need all of Ukraine, and not just a couple of regions.

    The worst thing is that according to the principle of "Common good" (hello Tau, Warhammer 40000), you can donate not only the Strelkov squad, but also half of Novorossia, if it brings more "profit" (don't think that money, there are a complex of reasons).
    1. hoard
      hoard 19 June 2014 18: 45
      0
      I agree to all 100%.
    2. hoard
      hoard 19 June 2014 18: 45
      -1
      I agree to all 100%.