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The military from China got acquainted with the new fighter Su-35 in Kubinka

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Interfax reported that yesterday, 17 June, a demonstration show of the new multi-purpose fighter Su-35 took place in Kubinka near Moscow. The event was specially organized for the military delegation from China, headed by Deputy Minister of Defense of the PRC, Colonel-General Zhang Yusya.



“This show was organized as part of the preparation of a contract for the delivery of a party of Su-35 fighters to China. Chinese military experts familiarized themselves in detail with the combat and flight-technical characteristics of the aircraft, watched the aircraft in the air, and held consultations on the features of fighter operations ”- told the publication a source dedicated to the situation.

He also said that, judging by the reaction of the Chinese, they liked the plane, they had the impression that they were serious about buying a fighter. "The conversation was substantive, the Chinese specialists were literally interested in everything," said an unnamed source.

The interviewee recalled that on the eve of the show, a meeting was held between the head of the delegation, Zhang Yusya, and Russian Deputy Minister of Defense Yury Borisov, during which, in addition to topical issues of military cooperation, they also discussed the preparation of a contract to supply Su-35 aircraft to China.

According to unofficial information, at the first stage, China will purchase an 24 aircraft. Moreover, the Chinese plan to acquire not serial vehicles for the Russian army, but custom-made fighters, those that are already adapted to the requirements of the Chinese Air Force.

At present, China is the largest foreign operator of the Russian Su-27 family of fighters - Su-30. In total, the 281 aircraft was delivered to this country. In addition, the Chinese defenders have established their own production of J-11B fighter jets, which is practically a copy of the Su-27.

Recall that the Su-35 created in the Sukhoi Design Bureau. It is a multifunctional super-maneuverable fighter of the 4 ++ generation. The distinctive features of the aircraft are the new information and control system, the new radar with an increased range of detection of airborne targets and a large number of their simultaneous tracking, as well as new engines with a more powerful thrust and swivel thrust vector. According to experts, the new machine surpasses all tactical fighters belonging to the 4 and 4 + generations.

The first customer of the aircraft was the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, which concluded in 2009 a contract for the supply of 48-mi Su-35С.
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  1. Comintern
    Comintern 18 June 2014 16: 50
    +13
    I hope the copy will not work will be purchased from us
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 18 June 2014 16: 54
      +20
      copies will certainly be ... too interested ... very nice car
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 18 June 2014 17: 02
        +8
        Quote: MBA78
        copies will certainly be ... too interested ... very nice car


        Send them immediately the drawings marked "After assembly, file with a file"
        1. tolyasik0577
          tolyasik0577 18 June 2014 18: 05
          +3
          the whole plane everyone just can not copy. You can copy the case, the electronics, but not the engines. not, the engine as such will be copied but will not get the result that the Russian has, for the metal recipe is kept secret ... I hope.
          1. faint93
            faint93 18 June 2014 19: 31
            +2
            ... I agree ... plus engine technology ... processing modes ... the problems of helicopter engines in Russia are known .. to go for quality with all the documentation is not a single year issue.
          2. Nayhas
            Nayhas 18 June 2014 20: 31
            +5
            Quote: tolyasik0577
            but not engines. not, the engine as such will be copied but will not get the result that the Russian has, for the metal recipe is kept secret ... I hope.

            The Chinese are closely engaged in the development of technology for the manufacture of turbine blades with the addition of rhenium (Re). The Americans believe that the Chinese have made great progress in this regard.
            The development of rhenium technology will allow China to take "two steps forward" in the aviation industry, the expert said.

            So soon there will be no laughing matter ...
            1. VAF
              VAF 18 June 2014 20: 42
              +2
              Quote: Nayhas

              The Chinese are closely engaged in the development of technology for the manufacture of turbine blades with the addition of rhenium (Re). The Americans believe that the Chinese have made great progress in this regard.


              Eugene, +! drinks I read the same article recourse

              http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140615000092&cid=1101

              "Rhenium melts at 3183 degrees Celsius (5759 Fahrenheit) compared to the heat resistance of nickel, which can withstand only 1455 degrees Celsius." "The improved superalloys are almost certainly intended for the WS-10 Taihang turbofan engines (pictured), which are used in the J-10 and J-11 fighters."



              ... it even becomes somehow ... "uncomfortable, perhaps ... where were the Chinese 20 years ago and where are they now? wink

              "Steps" are not just seven-league in .. SPACE belay
      2. Sirs
        Sirs 18 June 2014 17: 03
        +1
        Let them be, I need the T-50 urgently
      3. 4elovek
        4elovek 18 June 2014 17: 19
        +4
        Quote: MBA78
        copies will certainly be ... too interested ... very nice car


        It’s almost impossible to copy a modern aircraft engine - they will copy the glider, avionics and engines will put their own, and this, whatever one may say, will turn out another plane ... negative
        1. Berxen
          Berxen 18 June 2014 19: 34
          0
          Quote: 4elovek
          It’s almost impossible to copy a modern aircraft engine - they will copy the glider, avionics and engines will put their own, and this, whatever one may say, is already another plane ..


          What prevents them from buying from us? )
          1. Sirs
            Sirs 19 June 2014 02: 37
            0
            Ambition is in the way, and youth must be taken.
      4. Giant thought
        Giant thought 18 June 2014 18: 16
        0
        As a rule, copies come out worse than the original. The Chinese tried to copy C-300, and nothing good came of it. So without receiving our technologies, they will be a waste of time.
        1. clidon
          clidon 18 June 2014 19: 45
          +2
          Why did you decide that "nothing good happened"?
      5. The comment was deleted.
      6. Val_y
        Val_y 18 June 2014 18: 38
        +1
        Yes, but a copy of the Chinese SU-27 oh, how much worse than the original, (engines do not work for them) so ... fellow
      7. bif
        bif 19 June 2014 04: 15
        0
        Quote: MBA78
        copies will be required.

        I strongly doubt that the situation as with the Su-27 was repeated.
        1. copying Su-27 was simply caused by the stupidity and naivety of ours, because the contract did not contain a clause prohibiting this. Now there will be no such errors.
        2. Today, China is not interested in conflicts with the Russian Federation because of copying equipment without permission (and copies are obtained far in characteristics from the original). Now China is easier and more profitable to be friends and get technology, buy equipment or buy a license to the extremes with all the secrets ...
    2. 225chay
      225chay 18 June 2014 17: 04
      +4
      Quote: Comintern
      I hope the copy will not work will be purchased from us



      The Chinese are serious about buying a fighter))
      5 pieces buy or 25 before you create a copy?
      Well, they can’t be without stealing and copying ..
      1. Arkhara
        Arkhara 18 June 2014 17: 30
        +2
        Quote: 225chay
        Well, they can’t be without stealing and copying ..

        Che thought out of place. I wish dill teach gas to copy ... winked
        1. soyuz-nik
          soyuz-nik 18 June 2014 18: 16
          +3
          Good health, I wish!
          One joker noticed quite a while ago that Ukrainian scientists invented a new type of gas - burned gas .....
        2. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs 18 June 2014 18: 45
          +1
          The 3D printer for copying gas is its own dill butt.
    3. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 18 June 2014 17: 45
      +1
      Quote: Comintern
      I hope the copy will not work will be purchased from us

      In any case, at this stage - a step in the right direction. There will be no Anglo-Saxon threat - we will take into account the "Chinese pragmatic curiosity." And now - the more there are enough perfect machines in the sky as opposed to NATO, or rather, the United States - the better!
    4. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 18 June 2014 17: 51
      +3
      I think we will do everything so as not to step on the same rake again in the past, make it difficult for China to steal technology, I would like to not trust the T-50 in China, in fact, China itself is to blame for the fact that RUSSIA does not trust it! ps hate to endure.
    5. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 18 June 2014 18: 30
      +1
      Quote: Comintern
      I hope the copy will not work will be purchased from us

      Well, why take offense at the Chinese. Let them try to copy there and look, they will do something of their own using the example of our designers. Then we will see what the stubborn Chinese student achieved. Maybe even rejoice. Over time, an understanding comes that we should not be afraid of all the weapons that can be directed against us, since this feeling only comes when we (the army of our army) begin to weaken, including as a result of a violation of the clear functioning of our design bureaus. comes the economy of the state which is subject to external influences. In general, immunity must be increased!
    6. portoc65
      portoc65 18 June 2014 22: 56
      0
      Quote: Comintern
      I hope the copy will not work will be purchased from us

      The glider can and will be able to copy, the mind is not enough for the engine ..
      1. Vita_vko
        Vita_vko 19 June 2014 06: 14
        0
        In my opinion, it is necessary to stop the supply of finished products that impede the re-equipment of their own armed forces. The profit from such deliveries is minimal, but the losses from the loss of technology during copying are significant. It's time to reorganize on the sale of technology, as well as on joint development and joint ventures. This is, firstly, an order of magnitude more profitable with competent organization, and secondly, the profit from the sale can immediately be put into the development of new technologies, and this is an expansion of the design bureau and research institute, which is especially important to achieve technological superiority over the United States. And most importantly, the joint venture creates conditions for deliveries not only to China, but also to Russia, which will allow the completion of rearmament as soon as possible.
    7. I am proud of Russia
      I am proud of Russia 19 June 2014 06: 26
      0
      Well, with the copies they have not everything going smoothly - still there is a giant failure in the theoretical part. The same aerodynamics of a glider is a knowledge that cannot be copied with many victims of test pilots.
  2. Antokha
    Antokha 18 June 2014 16: 53
    +7
    The Chinese have probably already prepared calipers, rulers, tape measures, protractors, are waiting for the first plane to be copied.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 18 June 2014 17: 30
      +1
      Alas, the Chinese are unlikely to use the tool of the last century for such matters.
      Now it’s full of laser levels and meters, and they will assemble a 3D scanner for a new fighter!
      Unless of course they had collected it before.
  3. Sofa fighter
    Sofa fighter 18 June 2014 16: 54
    +6
    The Chinese do not need to sell our weapons, and suddenly they use it against us, all this is dangerous.
    1. nitrid
      nitrid 18 June 2014 17: 05
      +5
      It is necessary because It is a strategic partner for the next 30 years. It is nice if this partner can cover his borders himself. On the way T50
      1. FlyEngine
        FlyEngine 18 June 2014 17: 11
        +7
        They are only manpower that can cover the entire border around the perimeter, holding hands. Their weapons are dofig, they can do it themselves, they don’t need to sell anything to them.
    2. chirkov.nikolya
      chirkov.nikolya 18 June 2014 17: 11
      0
      I hope that we could already develop more powerful models, newer and a hundred times more maneuverable ... it would help in different areas ...
  4. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 18 June 2014 16: 54
    +5
    CHINA will buy the first 24 pcs. and everything will begin to print its base. It is necessary to persuade him to purchase at least 100 pcs. And to do this, describe all the threats emanating from the United States. soldier
  5. Manager
    Manager 18 June 2014 16: 55
    +2
    Soon stupid with giant 3D printers will go to the shows)))
    1. aleks77
      aleks77 18 June 2014 17: 22
      0
      With 3D photocopiers.
  6. Metal
    Metal 18 June 2014 16: 56
    +4
    Well that's it, tryndets. Roulette rustled.
  7. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 18 June 2014 16: 56
    0
    right now srach will begin
    1. armageddon
      armageddon 18 June 2014 16: 59
      +2
      Hmm ... ASIANS know where and what to buy ... !!!
  8. The Art of War
    The Art of War 18 June 2014 16: 56
    +6
    China will wait, it is necessary to equip its Air Force with the Su-35S from the beginning and then it is possible, it is possible for China to sell as it will be the right amount (PAK-FA) -T-50!
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 18 June 2014 16: 59
      +2
      Quote: The Art of War
      China will wait, it is necessary to equip its Air Force with the Su-35S from the beginning and then it is possible, it is possible for China to sell as it will be the right amount (PAK-FA) -T-50!


      As a patriot of a patriot, I understand you perfectly, but, most likely, everything will be exactly the opposite: our Air Force will "wait", but the giant Chinese copier will get it. Everything in this world has to be paid for, including the friendship and support of a neighbor. sad
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 13
        +3
        According to the idea, they always deliver equipment with underestimated characteristics over the hill, it pleases! But now we need to strengthen our Air Force and Air Defense! And while China let them copy the American f-22 and f-35! Although I think they will compare the advantages and disadvantages!
      2. The Art of War
        The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 14
        0
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv507BKwu9w
        1. The Art of War
          The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 15
          +2
          Not much else arrives in its Air Force recourse
      3. Associate Professor
        Associate Professor 18 June 2014 18: 27
        0
        Quote: Stiletto
        You have to pay for everything in this world, including friendship and support of a neighbor. sad

        Well, not only do we need this friendship. You look at China, it is surrounded on almost all sides by the unfriendly countries that the States support. Take the same large oil and gas contracts concluded a month ago: yes, we had to look for new consumers in order to feel more confident in conditions of worsening relations with the West, but China also needs reliable suppliers of energy resources. And only pipeline deliveries can be considered reliable, because deliveries by sea to tankers and gas carriers can block third countries in the event of any serious aggravation of the situation. And this is also against the backdrop of the complication of China’s relations with the United States. Therefore, we should not consider that we are indebted to China.
    2. Sofa fighter
      Sofa fighter 18 June 2014 17: 02
      +4
      This is the only way to do it, but for us, everything is new for the hill over the back. And the pilots fly on junk. Okay, at least the fuel appeared, because in the 90s, they probably suffered nonsense.
  9. volot-voin
    volot-voin 18 June 2014 16: 56
    +4
    It smells like fried, since they’re buying new equipment. Finally, they took up the defense line not childishly. The thing is necessary, but it’s disturbing somehow ... The enemy is already trampling Russian land (in Ukraine), and with the feet of Russian (dill) traitors.
  10. combat66
    combat66 18 June 2014 16: 59
    +2
    Good purchases will help create new pepelats. So it's all for the best.
  11. The Art of War
    The Art of War 18 June 2014 16: 59
    +1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dRMR0CwQHc
  12. Cherdak
    Cherdak 18 June 2014 17: 00
    +8
    Quote: Anton
    The Chinese have probably prepared calipers

    In 1996, Sukhoi Company and SAC entered into a contract for the joint production of 200 Su-27SK under the designation J-11 from Russian components. Until 2003, 95 sets of aircraft were delivered to China, while the Chinese side refused the remaining 105. The reason for the cancellation of licensed production of J-11 is the creation and willingness of China to produce an unlicensed copy.

    A rake on this exists to be bypassed. fool
  13. The Art of War
    The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 02
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmHoRGm4_w
  14. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 18 June 2014 17: 03
    +5
    Interesting information! The supply of the Su-35 without transferring a number of technologies during its production ... will only strengthen our interstate relations! And friendship with such a neighbor is very, very necessary for us. But worrying that ... they say we are selling ... but we have no such aircraft in the Air Force ... should not be. After all, deliveries are unlikely to start no sooner than in 3-4 years!
    Su-35 is a transitional product between the SU-27-30 and T-50 series. Therefore, we do not order a large batch of Su-35 for our Air Force ... we hope that in 1,5-2 years we will begin to receive T-50 troops (or whatever it will be called there) ... And to repeat such a complex product, without transferred technology is practically not possible! There ... Americans, for 10 years they have been buying our rocket engine of high power ... but they can’t do their own ... or do you think that they did not try to do this?
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    2. oblako
      oblako 18 June 2014 17: 29
      +2
      Yes, and equipping the aircraft with new technology is an ongoing process. Stopped - backward ... Let's not stop - there is no big danger in sales. And nobody canceled bookmarks in electronics. Now it conceals the main potential of the machine. We have to work on this.
    3. silver303
      silver303 18 June 2014 17: 30
      0
      I support you correctly. SELL NEEDED. Only an increase in the series and geography of supplies will help reduce the final price of an aircraft for our country. We also conclude service and supply contracts. parts for many years to come.
    4. The Art of War
      The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 46
      +3
      It is necessary to update their Su-35S air forces and not wait another 1,5-2 years until the T-50 arrives, if it can be said still crude recourse
  15. The Art of War
    The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 04
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01exd_mZ4fc
  16. The Art of War
    The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 05
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2723cZKTRfY
  17. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 18 June 2014 17: 05
    +2
    ... Chinese experts were literally interested in everything ...

    Who would doubt that. Especially the engines ...
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 28
      0
      Yes, they did not learn how to make engines!
  18. Diviz
    Diviz 18 June 2014 17: 07
    0
    The main thing is that inside this aircraft is electronics and equipment. I think either our already new technologies have been developed in the ReB or they will cut the number of 24 to it. This is not so much or they will limit it in possibilities.
  19. Lyton
    Lyton 18 June 2014 17: 08
    +1
    As a resident of Primorye, I do not like it at all, no matter how it turns out, according to the proverb, "with their own lard," I remember the Luftwaffe flyers also worked closely with us before the war in Lipetsk, and we all know very well what happened later.
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 18 June 2014 18: 58
      0
      They say in Lipetsk not a single bomb fell during the whole war.
  20. Antokha
    Antokha 18 June 2014 17: 12
    +3
    Quote: Cherdak
    Quote: Anton
    The Chinese have probably prepared calipers

    In 1996, Sukhoi Company and SAC entered into a contract for the joint production of 200 Su-27SK under the designation J-11 from Russian components. Until 2003, 95 sets of aircraft were delivered to China, while the Chinese side refused the remaining 105. The reason for the cancellation of licensed production of J-11 is the creation and willingness of China to produce an unlicensed copy.

    A rake on this exists to be bypassed. fool



    No Chinese really well done we would have their enthusiasm.
    1. Lieutenant SA
      Lieutenant SA 19 June 2014 00: 30
      0
      no matter how, we had to copy Chinese equipment, potatoes and garlic for a long time in the near future :)
  21. volodyk50
    volodyk50 18 June 2014 17: 13
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    Quote: The Art of War
    China will wait, it is necessary to equip its Air Force with the Su-35S from the beginning and then it is possible, it is possible for China to sell as it will be the right amount (PAK-FA) -T-50!


    As a patriot of a patriot, I understand you perfectly, but, most likely, everything will be exactly the opposite: our Air Force will "wait", but the giant Chinese copier will get it. Everything in this world has to be paid for, including the friendship and support of a neighbor. sad


    Well, the fact that they will conclude a contract does not mean that they will immediately launch the production to the Chinese, firstly, the contract will be concluded before the 2017-2018 year, and the delivery time will not be earlier than 2020, by this time we will have T50 and su -35 with pieces of 80-100, and touched the next generation fighters and attack aircraft. By the way, I know for sure that the T-50 for India will be delivered no earlier than the 2020 of the year and underestimated TTX, as is usually done for export. Even the fact that Su-35 for China will be made to order, rather than a series, suggests that the aircraft will differ in characteristics.
  22. MSA
    MSA 18 June 2014 17: 16
    0
    If they like, let them buy, the extra money will not hurt, and if you make a copy, they will do it that way.
  23. pg4
    pg4 18 June 2014 17: 17
    0
    Quote: Cherdak
    Quote: Anton
    The Chinese have probably prepared calipers

    Until 2003, 95 sets of aircraft were delivered to China, while the Chinese side refused the remaining 105. The reason for the cancellation of licensed production of J-11 is the creation and willingness of China to produce an unlicensed copy.

    A rake on this exists to be bypassed. fool


    Then you need to draw up a contract so that there are guarantees. And if you are going to buy, then let them buy a lot more, and not 20 pieces in order to then disassemble them to the screw.
  24. herruvim
    herruvim 18 June 2014 17: 26
    0
    They will look and buy, the main thing is that they would not start copying
  25. Oml
    Oml 18 June 2014 17: 35
    +1
    the impression is that they are serious about buying a fighter.


    So they want to copy.
  26. ekebastus
    ekebastus 18 June 2014 17: 37
    +2
    They have been copying from us everything since the creation of the PRC, starting from the ranks and structure of the armed forces to tanks and caps with earflaps ... back in Soviet times and there’s nothing terrible about it ... Even Lenin and Stalin have great people today and they they don’t forget ... they know our history better than the modern young generation of Russia ...
  27. typhoon7
    typhoon7 18 June 2014 17: 37
    +4
    We need these cars in hundreds today, big showdowns on the doorstep. The T-50 has not yet been tested and this project cannot be driven, and many new Dryers and MiGars can be released, I hope that restoration of the destroyed capacities is ongoing. The car is cool, in the western direction is very necessary.
  28. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 June 2014 17: 41
    +1
    Only the engine and for their copies are purchased from us.
  29. Sergey47
    Sergey47 18 June 2014 17: 52
    0
    It is necessary to take into account the fact that all export options are always weakened in comparison with what is supplied to the troops, or those that have a replacement for more promising ones. There is no need to worry about China because we will soon develop and produce aircraft .Yes, and the choice of allies is not great.
    1. Yves762
      Yves762 18 June 2014 18: 04
      0
      Moreover, the Chinese plan to acquire not serial cars going for the Russian army, and fighters made under the order, those are already adapted to the requirements of the Chinese Air Force.

      Of course, journalists can be in their repertoire, but I understood this formulation as the fact that machines similar in properties to serial (not export) ones, simply "Kitaized" will be supplied.
  30. The Art of War
    The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 53
    0
    Off topic but worth considering
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War 18 June 2014 17: 54
      0
      http://warfiles.ru/show-61514-rossiya-nachala-ispytaniya-giperzvukovoy-rakety-dl
      ya-zenitnogo-kompleksa.html
  31. Figvam
    Figvam 18 June 2014 18: 08
    0
    Guys need to be in front
    always work and not reap the rewards
    launched more or less su 35 and all the way it’s time it’s already new to fight how is it, some su-40
    so that everyone catches up and then copywriters are not scared.
    you look at car manufacturers
    for example, on VW, they do not hide information about their cars
    you can find a bunch of everything around everything and engines and gearboxes and what and how it works
    but there is, for example, GM about their aggregates, there is practically no information.
    and why, VW bypassed them and spars further sells does not stop
    uses more and more new principles
    so here.
  32. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 18 June 2014 18: 08
    +2
    here it is curious, but it is possible to equip a plane with a bug on a plane sold to China, and indeed beyond a hill. Well, so as not to shoot at us. And then you never know what the Chinese have in their little head. as in that movie about robocop, well, he cannot be an employee of the corporation where he was created to cause harm, unless of course he is fired laughing .
    1. 225chay
      225chay 18 June 2014 18: 47
      0
      Quote: tolyasik0577
      here it is curious, but it is possible to equip a bug sold on a plane sold to China, and indeed beyond a hill

      That's right Tolyasik! You think wisely ... +
  33. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 18 June 2014 18: 25
    +1
    Quote: typhoon7
    We need these cars in hundreds today, big showdowns on the doorstep. The T-50 has not yet been tested and this project cannot be driven, and many new Dryers and MiGars can be released, I hope that restoration of the destroyed capacities is ongoing. The car is cool, in the western direction is very necessary.

    True Ivan, the production of our aircraft for RUSSIA must be put on stream. To increase the defense budget by at least 3 times. Want Peace get ready for WAR. We must not sleep, and take the PRESIDENT into our own hands. And then you can and oversleep RUSSIA and its people. There are enough enemies at the moment, both internal and external, and they all sharpen knives in RUSSIA. Everything for RUSSIA, everything for its defense. soldier
  34. Lieutenant SA
    Lieutenant SA 19 June 2014 00: 27
    0
    Guys, do not forget that selling a plane to the Chinese is an awesome advertisement in the world. The Chinese will not buy or copy, so everyone will think - a good thing
  35. Aslan
    Aslan 19 June 2014 06: 42
    0
    that’s all, the Chinese laid their narrow eye on this plane for a long time, they didn’t want to buy a batch, they would like to have a couple of scans, a purchase trip for copying the SU 35 is part of the gas contract with China.