The failure of the Ukraine project is inevitable

The Ukraine project is collapsing, which is understandable - the world does not tolerate artificial formations, they will be destroyed sooner or later. For two decades of independence, Ukraine has noticeably lagged behind Russia and Kazakhstan in terms of the average standard of living of people. And Ukraine, too, experienced the first wave of the global crisis much harder than other major CIS countries. And then with considerable help from Russia and the West, otherwise Kiev could have become bankrupt even then. It is clear that without major changes, the Ukrainian statehood can not survive the second wave of the global crisis, now the Ukrainian authorities want significant concessions in the "gas issue", reducing social programs.

Thus, the average dollar-equivalent salary in Ukraine in 2010 was 282 in the US dollar, which is a third less than in Belarus, and about two and a half times less than in Russia. Even 20 years ago, the political elite, and indeed a significant part of the population of Ukraine, had rather rosy moods: they had powerful industry, developed agriculture, fertile lands, strong science and education, huge reserves weapons (which is still being sold out in African countries), etc. It seemed that Ukraine had a chance to become one of the developed countries of Europe, at least in line with Poland and the Czech Republic. But already in 90, it became clear that this is an illusion - dreams of “European integration” are another myth imposed by the intelligentsia, a part of the people and led to a catastrophe that could end with the collapse of Little Russia into even more flawed parts or their absorption by stronger neighbors.

Ukraine is simply negative to a multiple extent compared to the Russian Federation: a sharp decline in living standards is forcing Ukrainians to go to work in the EU countries (as well as residents of the Baltic countries) or to Russia, so unloved by the Ukrainian Nazis. Society is permeated with the most powerful corruption, social inequality, people's distrust of all state and public institutions, constant internal political tension that threatens a new "color revolution". So, even before the global financial and economic crisis in 2007, according to a Pew Research Center survey, only 9% of the country's citizens were confident that Ukraine was moving in the right direction. Research & Branding Group conducted a poll from March 1 to March 9, 2011 - according to it, if the referendums on the preservation of the Soviet Union and on the support of the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine were held today, then 47% of Ukrainian citizens would support the preservation of the Union, in the southeast of such it would be 61%; for 43%, the disappearance of the USSR is "the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the XNUMXth century."

Even in the 2007 year, the most prosperous year in the 20 years of independence, the level of production and consumption was lower than in recent years as part of the Soviet Union. Economic activity in 2009 fell by 15%, industrial production - by about 25%, the currency was devalued by almost half. If a miracle happens and the world crisis subsides, which is practically impossible, Ukraine will need at least 3-4 years to reach the pre-crisis level of production and consumption.

In Kiev, among the mass of problems, there are two outstanding: the oil and gas monopoly Naftogaz of Ukraine and the Pension Fund. In 2010, subsidies to Naftogaz from the country's budget exceeded health expenditures; to cover the deficit of the Pension Fund exceeded the expenditures of all law enforcement agencies of the state, plus more expenditures on education, science and sport. For these purposes in the 2010 year, the state budget allocated about 7% of GDP - one fifth of all tax revenues. In addition, gas prices are not going to fall, and the population of Ukraine is dying out and is rapidly aging. True, Kiev is trying to solve the problem, for example, the government of Y.Timoshenko, and then N.Azarov, signed agreements with the IMF on the growth of the price of gas for heating and for domestic use. Since April, 2011 has planned to raise them by 50%, but they did not dare - due to a possible social revolution, there are many political opponents who can use the anger of the people to their advantage.

They cannot solve the issue with pensions either, in principle, this is an unsolvable issue - it is necessary to launch another wave of impoverishment of the population, which is also fraught with even greater social tensions. For example, the treasury spends on pensions up to 18% of Ukraine’s GDP, this is one of the highest rates among the countries of the world (for comparison, Russia is 10% of GDP, which is also very much). But, even worse, if nothing is changed, then soon, due to extremely negative demographic trends, this indicator can reach a quarter of GDP in a decade or two. With the need for pension reform, the government of Tymoshenko agreed back in 2009 year. The government of N.Azarov promised the West to adopt a relevant law before the end of 2010 of the year. But it could not.

It should also be added that the producing south-eastern regions have to contain the depressed Galicia and the center. As a result, the economic collapse, and behind it, the political is inevitable, and then the collapse of Ukraine.

In the area of ​​power: corruption from top officials to the lowest level; fighting clans and groups; the weakness of the central government, pure oligarchic “democracy”, with its backstage system of “checks and balances”, shadow agreements.

The result: a complete failure of the idea of ​​"Square". Before the collapse of the Union in Ukraine, separatism was propagated, where household and economic arguments were cited - they say, the center (Muscovites) are taking more from Ukraine than we produce. And as soon as Ukrainians get rid of this injustice, then life will be carefree and rich, Ukraine will join the family of well-fed and rich European nations. An ordinary consumer myth, by the way, this card was played out in the RSFSR too, they say, we don’t need to feed Central Asia, the Caucasus, the Baltics — we separate and “live like people”. If other people were sitting in Moscow, they would have long ago taken advantage of Russophile sentiments of a significant part of the citizens of Ukraine, and the process of restoring the unity of the Russian world would have advanced much better.

Then other myths were created that also turned out to be a complete linden — myths about European integration; about the eternal "oppression of the Ukrainians" by Moscow; recently created the myth of the "famine of the Ukrainians"; the hardest thing was to introduce the myth of the “heroism” of the Bandera gangsters - the south-east of Ukraine was not led to it. As a result, if we discard a lot of myths, it remains that the people are robbed, and a handful of oligarchs are eating with puppets-politicians. Plus, the satisfied elites of the Western world - Russia is split, all its parts are dying out, the main geopolitical competitor on the planet "lies".

Is there a way out?

First, we need to understand that the West, Europe, and Ukraine do not need, they themselves have a severe crisis, and whether they will creep out of it is a big question. And in what form? It is quite possible that we will see the realization of the images of science fiction novels - with the Euro-evolution scenario, where the southern countries will be “left out” to the agrarian provinces and recreation areas, with an appropriate level of consumption. And the north will be the industrial, scientific core. The “European way” of Ukraine is a mirage ...

Secondly, it should be clearly understood that the “dead end” of the “Ukraine” project is the same dead end as in Russia and Belarus, as well as the “European way” of Russia. The Russian Empire has already died in this impasse. Therefore, the only correct, “direct” path of Little Russia, Great Russia, White Russia is a single power, with its own, non-European and non-Chinese, global and domestic policy.

Otherwise, we will see the collapse of Ukraine, and, if Great Russia stands, it will regain at least part of Little Russia, the remaining fragments will be polonization, Romanization and further degradation. Any Nazism is the way of the beast, which proves the example of the Reich.

Sources of:
Kalashnikov M., Buntovsky S. Independent Ukraine. The collapse of the project. M., 2009.
http://regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/ukraina/1384373.html
http://regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/armenia/1385198.html#ixzz1P58Oj0SH
http://expert.ru/expert/2011/23/nezadachlivaya-nezalezhnost/

Comments

[mitrich]

That's right, the author. They are not capable of anything, only to throw shit at their wise elder brothers, Russians. They even organize the European Football Championship without scandals (and in 2012 everything will be at a low, primitive amateur level). We have played out our "independence" so much that even Europe has no need.
Everything from this age-old hohlack habit of trying to sit on two chairs. And they want to be "Europeans" and don't want to run far from Mother Russia, you never know.
And the author's conclusions are as correct as possible. I am sure that ultimately it will be so in terms of unification. And we will also conduct his opponents with a "march of dissent" along the route Lvov - Kolyma.

[His]

Agree

[Winchester]

And after such words, you wonder why in Ukraine the majority of the population is against integration with Russia? )))

[PSih2097]

After the action in Lviv on May 9, I generally wonder why troops were not brought into the territory of western Ukraine to protect citizens of the Russian Federation from overgrown youngsters, in the village they bathe for such a fool.

[Andrei]

The author wrote a lot of truth. BUT ... As a resident of Ukraine, I can say that ordinary citizens do not have especially warm feelings for their so-called "older brothers", especially in the last 10 years (after the conflict with Tuzla, many people began to have an epiphany). The older generation still gravitates towards Russia, but young people mostly do not see themselves with it. So, dear "brothers" Katsap, live for yourself, and we will live as well. Dear mitrich, look in the wrong direction. As soon as your eastern "narrow-eyed" friends did not pass the march Moscow-St. Petersburg :)))

[Joker]

Quote: Andrew

As a resident of Ukraine, I can say that ordinary citizens do not have particularly warm feelings for their so-called "older brothers", especially in recent years.

- speak for yourself, I know Ukrainians who don’t know the Ukrainian language either.

And how can you hate your fellows? This is almost like self-loathing, but then the problem is not in the "brothers" but in the spit full of anger.

[Superduck]

Hatred is said too loudly, rather it is about a certain rejection. I know only a handful of Ukrainians who vehemently hate Russia and Russians. But I know dozens who, after each speech by Rogozin, Luzhkov, Putin, Ivanov, say something on this topic like "What do these idiots want from us ?!"
Read the article and reviews again, the main points: inferiority, younger brother, unreasonable child, bankrupt, inability to do anything, country of thieves ((C) GDP) and you can continue on.
If every day they’ll pour all this crap on your head, will you inflame with love?

[His]

What do you have to say? Well done?

[Superduck]

You personally are better off always keeping silent.

[Winchester]

And are you talking about hatred? And who in almost every post shouts about Pindos, wild Caucasians, Baltic fascists, inferior Ukrainians, Poles, etc.

[frame5]

Accurately noticed.

[PSih2097]

Well, the Poles, this is a separate conversation.

[His]

It depends on where you live.

[PSih2097]

so soon your eastern "narrow-eyed" friends did not pass the march from Moscow to St. Petersburg :)))

this is a joke about the war of the Chinese and Finns

especially the last 10 years (after the conflict with Tuzla, many began to gain insight).

so suddenly you (the tuzu) will give it to the Romanians or Turks like a snake.

[5766]

Andrey
And yet their "narrow-eyed" friends will march! Russia is like an earthly paradise. The project of the Russian Federation is just artificial, and it will fall down. The problem of Ukraine is not in "Nazism", as the author claims, I doubt that he could give a definition of this concept and distinguish it from nationalism or patriotism. Although for them the Nazis are those who do not like Russians. The problem with Ukraine is that all this communist cattle actually remained in power. The scoop rules the country, and he destroys it. There is nothing wrong with that, an obsolete, rotten system should collapse. So she falls. It's okay, that's the way it should be.

[Joker]

Quote: 5766

The RF project is just artificial

- pinned, just no other words, not even offensive.

[Winchester]

For some reason, it seemed to me that this is the Russian Federation - a federation, and not unitary Ukraine. How many autonomous federal subjects do you have there?

[His]

Russia and the Russian people are greatness, and Ukraine is known only because it opposes Russia to please the United States

[Sanga]

Andrey! I do not belong to the younger generation of "katsapov", but I do not belong to the older generation either. I can say the following, but you dear "younger brothers" - khokhly did not stare at us. And about the march of "narrow-eyed" brothers along the route you have defined it seems that in this case they will not pass by you for sure

[Okuscher]

NDA, as always, after the collapse of the USSR, former communists came to power, but after all sorts of pendosov's lackeys. Which is up to the interests of the population, like cancer to the moon. It is profitable for the Pendos to destroy or crush any state, because if it (the state) is confidently on its feet, then it will not listen to anyone. Well, as for the narrow-eyed, then Sanga is right, you will definitely not be bypassed :). I myself am "narrow-eyed".

[Prophet]

The author wrote all correctly about the myths that the West imposed on Ukraine. But Russia now, unfortunately, has nothing to offer Ukraine, only the same myths.

[His]

Ukraine is cut off from energy. Russia can offer cheap energy resources. But this requires a political union, not the verbosity of Ukrainians about friendship and good neighborliness

[nmd_1]

Does it need to be offered something to someone? Let them live their independence. Personally, I don’t care for them sometimes, I feel sorry for the Ukrainian culture, it doesn’t cause any rejection, it’s even better to rest in Crimea than in Sochi :)
We need to deal with internal problems at home, you can see for yourself then to reach out, and just hang the burden on yourself. And for any narrow-minded ukraim council, get rid of the complexes and become Ukrainians.

[Zaporozhets]

Great disappointment from unacceptable orange to gangster-blue regionals. Gullible old people enjoy the verbiage of the politicians who got their teeth on the talk shows of Simon \ Savik \ Shuster and Evgeny Kiselyov. With the entry into the WTO, they finish off the village. Famous chernozems are crushed and depleted. Sugar is bought from Belarusians. A childhood friend, the director of an agricultural holding with foreign capital says that they plant mainly rapeseed and built a third biofuel plant, this crop is more profitable than sunflower and sugar beet. And in return we send Egyptian and French potatoes at French prices. One hope for summer cottages.

[Max79]

ANDREI
What kind of conflicts are we talking about? We look at these conflicts every year in Lviv on May 9. Do you ask your senior comrades who lived under the USSR if they lived badly with Russia? In my opinion, it’s not bad, but right now, you live in illusions. But you won’t be fed up with illusions alone, and wave your fists in our direction too.
It is unfortunate that modern youth cannot understand one simple truth in any way, that only together we are power.

[Gur]

The West and the Amerokos divide us like God, a turtle with such love from each other ... time will tell how and what will be ..

[Superduck]

Time shows that history is developing in a spiral, everything will be fine. But not right now.

[His]

Not for Ukraine

[Superduck]

Quote: Own

Not for Ukraine

And for Ukraine, too, unions with Russia have already happened 3 times, all that is needed is a good reason, and not the election of the President of the RF

[His]

The policies that they pursue will lead to the division of the outskirts into its constituent parts

[Winchester]

You better watch your Chechnya)
Over the years of independence, Ukraine has not had a single large-scale ethnic conflict. Dagestan, Ichkeria recall?

[His]

I must say that Ukraine is part of the former Russian Empire, in the subsequent USSR. These are all Russian lands donated to you by the Russian people in 1991

[Winchester]

Twenty five again. Well, then Muscovy is the land donated to you by Kievan Rus.

[His]

Is this written in a new history textbook in Ukraine?

[Winchester]

The simple question is when was Kiev founded and when is Moscow?

[olifus]

Quote: Winchester

The simple question is when was Kiev founded and when is Moscow?

how do you want to link together the foundation of two cities and the territorial division of Russia and Ukraine?

[Winchester]

Isn’t it clear? First, Kievan Rus appeared, which gradually annexed more and more new lands. In the 11th century, Moscow did not exist at all, and all the northeastern lands of Kievan Rus were a distant province)

[olifus]

Quote: Winchester

First, Kievan Rus appeared, which gradually annexed more and more new lands. In the 11th century, Moscow did not exist at all, and all the northeastern lands of Kievan Rus were a distant province)

which and whose province? there were many principalities on the territory of nane Russia, and "Great Kiev" had nothing to do with this! stop reading the textbooks published by the Yushchenko propaganda ministry (very similar to the Goebel ministry)

[Winchester]

But for some reason, it was Kiev, not Novgorod, that was the capital. For some reason, all the principalities paid tribute precisely to Kiev. For some reason, it was in Kiev that Oleg, Svyatoslav, Vladimir the Great, Yaroslav the Wise, Vladimir Monomakh ruled)
When the arguments end, some nonsense about the Nazis and Goebbels begins. As I understand it, for Russian commentators this is a hallmark)

[nmd_1]

You listed all the Russians :) The phrase says nothing: Kiev is the mother of Russian cities? not Ukrainian, but Russian, and the city of Russian means. you have narrow-mindedness on your face, times 2 * 2 you have 3

[Superduck]

You are wrong, if Moscow is a relatively young city, for example, Novgorod the Great can easily argue with Kiev on this issue.

[Winchester]

But for some reason, it was Kiev, not Novgorod, that was the capital. For some reason, all the principalities paid tribute precisely to Kiev. For some reason, it was in Kiev that Oleg, Svyatoslav, Vladimir the Great, Yaroslav the Wise, Vladimir Monomakh ruled)

[solodova]

What are you leading to? Do you want tributes from Moscow?)))))))

[PSih2097]

Winchester,
Yes, because the Varangians had to be closer to Tsargrad to go there for zipuns, plus the trail "from the Varangians to the Greeks", you can also beat the money.

[PSih2097]

Winchester,

First, Kievan Rus appeared, which gradually annexed more and more new lands.

Kiev and Kievan Rus in 883, the same Smolensk 862 - 863, Novgorod 859.
So do not boast of age ... and Kievan Rus for 300 years you are asking ... whether.

[olifus]

Quote: Winchester

Well, then Muscovy is the land donated to you by Kievan Rus.

you are definitely out of your mind, the Yushchenko brainwashing has done its job.

[Winchester]

Just when Kievan Rus in the 9-10 century was one of the most powerful states in Europe, in the place of Moscow, bears walked through swamps)

[olifus]

Quote: Winchester

Just when Kievan Rus in the 9-10 century was one of the most powerful states in Europe, in the place of Moscow, bears walked through swamps)

about the most powerful state, you got excited of course ...

Rome also fought with wild barbarians in the lands of modern Germany, where is Rome now and where is Germany? (I'm talking about technical and economic leadership)

[Winchester]

And who in 907, 944 conducted sea trips to Constantinople? To whom did Byzantium pay a huge tribute of 907? Moscow, which appeared after 200 years?

[PSih2097]

Winchester,
Okay, I persuaded you, give us Kiev, we will make it the capital, and rename the Russian Federation to Kievan Rus.

[nmd_1]

What do you want ???? Do you identify modern Ukraine with Russia of the 9-10th century ??? sit down deuce in history.

[His]

You still say that the first people were Ukrainians. Che you are picking ancient Russia, what have you just achieved?

[His]

And in response, silence

[Winchester]

It's not me who started shouting about the Russian Crimea, about the fact that Ukraine was never a state at all.

I must say that Ukraine is part of the former Russian Empire, in the subsequent USSR. These are all the Russian lands donated to you by the Russian people in 1991 - these are not your words ???

[His]

This is just an itoric truth. We will return everything anyway

[olifus]

Winchester if you are so cold and independent, then what kind of question will you return Crimea to Russia? he was not yours, but was donated by one short-sighted politician, be honest to the ends shouting that Russia does not need anything, return what you don’t belong to historically.

[Superduck]

Why not the Ottomans, or the Golden Horde?

[His]

Find her first

[nmd_1]

They are not, but we are. So to us :)

[Winchester]

By your logic, the sex of Russia is the territory donated by Kiev to the traitor Yuri Dolgoruky.

[nmd_1]

but didn’t you have rams with the Armenians, no worse than our Kondopoga?

[Gur]

I read it .. and I will say in Filatov's words - "Everyone thinks others are a freak, despite the fact that he himself has removed the curse -" Gentlemen slavs ... well what are you really doing .. in front of each other like dogs in a kennel .. alone about their independence they gibberish from which they get a damn bald .. others about their greatness from which the ass is not covered too .. in both states everything is plundered by a handful of people .. you are left with crumbs and all in such ambitions .. wake up .. they threw a bone to you .. which you procrastinate to distract your attention .. from what is happening behind your backs .. With such conversations you can get to the mezazoi .. and figure out who was shitting where .. you would rather pay attention to gentlemen great people .. (I don’t know how the Ukrainians this is the case) .. education is paid .. medicine is paid .. fuels and lubricants at a cost almost like in countries without oil .. wherever you throw a full paragraph .. what is the greatness .. the territory is huge ??? .. but we can’t even cover it ... Live separately ?? Yes, we can’t for sure .. we can’t cut off the continent .. unless there is a cataclysm .. We are the children of one mother .. and how everything happens in a family and will happen.

[Splin]

aFtoru and critics of his ilk. Come to football next summer and see the standard of living so that you can clearly compare. And then because of the monitor is not very visible. I remember how friends came to us in 2005 from St. Petersburg, with their "plastic"-tasting products, because they said on TV that there was nothing to eat in Ukraine.

[Winchester]

Before writing something, the author would be better off traveling to Ukraine and really sorting out the situation.

It should also be added that the producing south-eastern regions have to contain the depressed Galicia and the center. As a result, the economic collapse, and behind it, the political is inevitable, and then the collapse of Ukraine.
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This myth has been lingering with us for about 10 years now. It happened to some extent in 2002-2003, but now Donetsk region is on the 10th place out of 24 in terms of budget revenues. Kiev is in the first place, then the main regions of Central Ukraine go further.

As for the low standard of living, I do not argue - this is indeed so. But in Russia this is not much better - the difference can be explained by huge revenues from the sale of energy resources. And in Belarus, the average salary after the currency crisis (and it has not yet ended) has already become less than in Ukraine.
And in general, what about the article where the first source is M. Kalashnikov?)

[Smirnov Vadim]

Kiev and the rest of Ukraine are like Moscow and Russia in terms of standard of living - it’s impossible to compare. So you hardly know from Kiev how and the rest of Ukraine lives.

[His]

I agree. The migration flow from Ukraine is simply enormous. All Russian-speaking outskirts are leaving.

[Winchester]

I completely agree. Just the subsidization of the western regions has long become a myth. Now the largest subsidies are received by the coal industry of Donbass - not because the state understands its importance, but because most of the mines belong to Akhmetov.

[Superduck]

There will be games in Donetsk, Kharkov, Lviv yet.

[Superduck]

Quote: SuperDuck

There will be games in Donetsk, Kharkov, Lviv yet.

I wonder if there are only two mentally retarded people? One I even know. Write to the man of the minus only because he listed where the football matches will be held.

[Winchester]

Are you saying that this does not correspond to the Kremlin training manuals - therefore, this is a lie! =)

[aL13n]

Quote: VadimIS

So it is unlikely that you from Kiev know how and how the rest of Ukraine lives.

I absolutely agree.

[His]

You can live in Russia. I am satisfied

[Passer]

Everything is right, everything is in Russian, Asia is bad, China is even worse, Ukraine is disgusting, Belarusians in general are a gang of thieves. Around Russia there are only enemies. Only the site left only patriots.

[His]

But what does the uterus pierce? So we have democracy, her mother

[Shown]

There are probably a bunch of border guards, that they know about migration. Hu Jintao came to visit us. The BBC and CCN have talked about it. And there is no "Vesti" RTR. And since an ordinary citizen from Nizhniye Zhmury does not know this, it never happened.

[mitrich]

WINCHESTER,
so you are still ahead, don’t worry. Only with what belt will you whip your separatists in the ass? After all, there is no belt, as well as a hand that should compress it. And there is no corresponding experience either.

[His]

They have nothing. Soon Romanians with Poles and Moldavians will begin to divide their lands. Then suddenly they will remember Mother Russia, the poor ones crawl to our little legs, like the Zaporozhye Cossacks at one time ...

[Winchester]

)))))
Will Moldovans divide our lands? Made laugh.
Over the past 20 years, there has never been a hint of territorial claims from the Poles, unlike such a friendly Russia.
The only minor problems sometimes arise with Romania. But this is nothing compared to your Chechnya and most importantly, China.

[His]

Who are you telling soothing bedtime stories to?

[Winchester]

And on the topic there is nothing to argue?

[PSih2097]

What are you saying ... Poland wants to take away the shabby 39-40 from you, the same Romania and the snake is just the first swallow, it will be like Yugoslavia, there are criminals to the tribunal, and you have the territory of the former owner, and the process of reviewing the results of the 2nd world has begun .

[Winchester]

Do you think nuclear weapons are needed to calm the separatists? )

[His]

Russia has never used nuclear weapons in a real war, unlike your well-wishers from overseas.

[Winchester]

That is, to reassure the separatists, you need to have strategic aviation and a million-strong army, how are you?
I understand everything, carpet bombing is the main weapon against the separatists)

[mitrich]

That's for sure, YOURS. "Civilized" Polish lords or the same Crimean Tatars will instantly put Ukrainians' brains in place. Our Ukrainian friends know their history poorly.
It will be interesting then to read WINCHESTER and other "zhovto-blakitnyh" comrades.

[His]

They will already be in suitcases in Moscow. And we will have to fight for them

[Superduck]

you’ll have to whip sour cream with your tongue, I look good

[His]

We eat our sour cream

[Winchester]

And where is Poland? Over the past 20 years, there has not even been a hint of any territorial claims, unlike the "Russian brothers".
About the story. Poland occupied our lands from 1569 to 1654. Russia - the next 300 years with some interruptions. As a consequence of this, no one in Ukraine and Russia are going to unite, except for a handful of marginals. In the 20th century, Ukraine declared independence 6 times and 5 times lost it, and strangely enough - 4 times from Russia.

[Joker]

Quote: Winchester

In the 20th century, Ukraine declared independence 6 times and 5 times lost it, and strangely enough - 4 times from Russia.

- and until the 20th century it simply did not exist, it was to envelop Russia.

Quote: Winchester

And where is Poland? Over the past 20 years, there has not even been a hint of any territorial claims, unlike the "Russian brothers".

- so they would have dared, I think the brothers would have forgotten about the contradictions for a while ..

[Winchester]

And before the Mongolian bulk Russia did not exist, it was part of Kievan Rus. And what's next, joker?

[Joker]

Most likely the centers of the "Ancient Empire" were the "Country of Cities", now the golden ring.

Yes, even Lomonosov spoke of the inconsistency of the theory of the Mongol yoke, Morozov supported him in his views.

It was invented by two German scientists, delirium consists of this (even if not delving deeply):
- the gene of "quick-eyed" and "short stature" is dominant, if there was a yoke of 200 years, where is its manifestation?
- a nation without a written language, with an embryonic level of development of metallurgy, a lack of statehood, could not physically rivet so many weapons and organize itself like that;
- the Mongols do not reflect in any way the existence of a certain empire;

[Zerkalo]

The latter is most revealing. And not because it’s a shame to remember this!

[His]

You have never been outskirts in nature

[Winchester]

Again) You again remind about KIEV Rus, that at that time there was no Moscow at all?

[Joker]

And there was Yaroslavl like him "the golden ring".

You should not think that the history of the Slavs went off with Kievan Rus, our history is much older and the fact is that at the moment we are one artificially divided ethnic group.

[Splin]

I went to the level of comments like "I don't need a cow if only the neighbor's cow is dead!"

[mitrich]

WINCHESTER,
This means that we will unite with the marginalized, numbering 90% of the population of Ukraine, and together with other "patriots" of our native land, we will send you to build the Khabarovsk-Anadyr railway (the foreman of the site is prisoner Yushchenko).
You know, the polemic with you really amuses me and gives me real pleasure.

[Winchester]

For some reason, in 91 precisely 90% of the population in a referendum voted to secede from the USSR. Little problem, don't you think?

[His]

You confuse something. The majority in the referendum was for the preservation of the USSR

[Winchester]

Ololo)))
What can you discuss with a person who does not know basic things?

[Ivan]

Here they talked about the myth of the bully imposed on us by a stretch of rock in the independence, but the propaganda was the end of it. Try to rozibratis chi not a myth about Malorosiya, (primordially Russian lands).
Ukraine is sovereign and independent power. We don’t pretend to be in foreign territory, but ale zazihannya on our own will rush up. As a matter of fact, you will need to fight with the rogues, and if you need to be Poles, well, as a matter of fact, you won’t be able to sit and show you deraki wintering.
We are glad to see who we are talking to. America here is nothing to be wiped away; and Russia.
I will take the Russian Federation to the warehouse of Ukraine, and if not, then I will go with my brotherly love.
Virshuete more beautifully internal food, at the same time again you name and fall apart, like your empire.
______________________________________________________________
Here we were talking about myths imposed on the unconscious little brother during the years of independence, but after all, propaganda was and is everywhere. Is your Bolshevik view not the result of the myth of the great Russian people? How many Russians are there? Also myths created by the tsarist, imperial, Soviet authorities.
Ukraine is a sovereign and independent state. We do not claim foreign lands, but all claims regarding our territory will be resolutely suppressed.
if necessary, we will fight with the Rumans, with the Poles, and if you can’t sit, we will show you where the crayfish hibernate.
We will deal with our problems ourselves, and still see who crawls to whom.
America will receive nothing, and Russia too.
I propose to accept the Russian Federation into Ukraine and finally unite the fraternal peoples, and if not, then go with your brotherly love for the Chinese and Kitasia will be for you.
You’d better solve your internal problems. Once again, you’ll grab the atoms and fall apart like your empire.

[Joker]

Quote: Ivan

I propose to accept the Russian Federation as part of Ukraine

- I laugh nimagu, there are no other words.

[Winchester]

So in all of Ukraine, at least in Central and Western neighing with you, Russian, your tears about Soviet Greatness)))

[Joker]

This story is useful to know and must be respected so as not to become a zombie tribe without a clan and tribe.

[His]

And who took Berlin?

[Winchester]

The Red Army, which was composed of soldiers from all over the USSR.
But where does it ??? Do you have the Great Victory - is it all a state fetish?

[MichaelVl]

>> I propose to accept the Russian Federation into Ukraine and finally unite the fraternal peoples ========= You're going to burst, baby :))))))))))

Ivan, Russians are called older brothers because the population and area of ​​the country is larger than that of Ukraine and Belarus. And Russia cannot join the "structure of Ukraine" because its economy is more powerful. What's wrong with that? Therefore, with your "offer" you show your complexes (on the subject that you were belittled in the person of your younger brother), or you have such jokes, it is not clear :) And cope with your problems, who is against that? Only you don’t need to do nasty things to each other;) Then the grievances will pass, and it will seem sweeter!

[Winchester]

Don't you understand the jokes? More precisely, this is not a joke, but a banter from your constant cries for the unification of fraternal peoples)

[mitrich]

VLADIMIR,
Your authoritative comment is required if you are on the air.
And then I was very scared by the formidable user of IVAN. I almost crap by reading his comment. Just until I figured it out: either from laughter, or from fear.

[cxb]

This means that we will unite with the marginalized, numbering 90% of the population of Ukraine, and together with other "patriots" of our native land, we will send you to build the Khabarovsk-Anadyr railway (the foreman of the site is prisoner Yushchenko).
You would really read a story with yours)
I am Russian, I live in Kiev and you know with such blah blah about great Russia, it seems to me that Ukrainians will be better off being independent than with people who still have an empire. And the most interesting, if earlier conversations about a new union were sometimes conducted, now this topic has died out even in the Donbas.
In general, the article is a provocation)

PS
About the baton)) Serdyukov does everything to prevent her in Russia

[His]

Who freed you from the Nazis, rebzy?

[Winchester]

Is communism so different from fascism?

[His]

So are you a fascist?

[Winchester]

Are you all not Russian fascists?
And in general, do you know what fascism is?

[Joker]

Approximately the same as the car from the cart, but in general at dusk and well-dated if possible and confused.

[Zerkalo]

Actually, yes ...

[rumpeljschtizhe]

What got to the bottom of This Ukraine
they lived without us and will live.
Yes, we can cope without them (in Russia there are a lot of problems)
I personally do not care about the problem Khokhlov:
they will have a new famine or a richer edge.
there’s nothing to inflate our cheeks — they will show us something there.

[His]

They want to receive our gas for nothing, while putting American missiles at their place, not to mention the Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet ...

[Winchester]

It turns out that you still have adequate people.

[Zerkalo]

Yes, here you are right. Separated - wanted independence - get. Then do not just say that these are all the machinations of the damned Muscovites and Katsap ...

History does not teach anything - you will be a dump of nuclear waste that the whole West will bring to you for big money (such rumors have been circulating before, now they have subsided).

[Chuchupaka]

Yes, you guys with democracy did not work out ...
They drove you to the stall and it remains only to stupidly bleat on the guys from Ukraine.
You better remember who steered the Soviet Army, on whom the officer corps held. Think about what you are talking about.

[Kiev]

I agree. If you want, let's unite. We agree to include you in Ukraine. By the right of an older and wiser brother who has preserved the wasps of Old Slavic culture (90% of the Ukrainian language and 60:% of Russian have Old Slavic roots. And if a very simple example, then compare the names of the months in the calendar with their history and meaning)

[Joker]

not well it is necessary

Quote: Kiev

We agree to include you in Ukraine

First, you will be a part of the village of Gadyukino, and then we'll talk.

PS Unification is necessary and inevitable, the question is what means.

[Winchester]

You have a little money for tiny Georgia, but you think about Ukraine)

[Joker]

If an order had been received, they would have walked along and across, but there was no order.

[MichaelVl]

Winchester,
Yes, no one thinks about you, do not worry :)))) "Russian fascists" will not touch you, because we are not fascists :) Himself a fascist, but you call others fascists.

[Winchester]

Argument that I am a fascist!
Fascism is hatred based on national, religious or some other grounds, the result of which is xenophobic politics.
Most Russian commentators here shout about scum-Pindos, wild Chechens, inferior Ukrainians, Baltic fascists, Poles, etc.
Even the leadership of Russia, as we see, pursues a policy of inciting ethnic hatred. You want to say that Moscow does not kill citizens of Central Asia, blacks, etc.?
Fascism is insults and crimes against a certain ethnic group. The idol of most commentators, as I understand it, is Stalin - the organizer of more than one genocide.

[mitrich]

And I get annoyed when different independent guys climb on the Russian site and preach their views. They like their independence, so let them sit on their ua., There, let them rub together, how cool and European they are. And then they start to crap on the forum, and when they are matushy in response, they are surprised how Russian you are, they say, angry and ill-bred.
And so, RUMPELJSCHTIZHE (you’ve chosen a pseudonym for yourself, of course, and you want to write to you - you get tired of looking for letters) I also don’t care about Ukraine in the near future, the fact that we have enough problems without them is true.

[His]

Che let them on our site?

[Winchester]

And why are you constantly so much interested in the situation in Ukraine? We’ll figure it out without you. And your Lavrov, probably already tired of expressing concern about Ukrainian problems every day.)

[His]

If you didn’t crap every day in our direction, Lavrov would not pay attention to you

[Winchester]

So take all the Russians from Ukraine and there will be no one to spoil. Take your Black Sea Fleet - nobody will remember about anyone - neither we about you, nor you about us) And everyone will be happy).

[Zerkalo]

Well, just do not screw your own in the ass, otherwise we will have no one to build ...

[Zerkalo]

I remember where I read on the Internet that in the Ukrainian army there are about 200 parachutes for 100 paratroopers ... And what they wrote about the country's air force, it became terribly terrible.
Or maybe this is in our country and all sorts of nationalist parties sponsor so that (for the sixth time, God forbid) not unite?

[slan]

And you would try to climb on ua, even worse than their roof would have gone from hopelessness)) Although I feel sorry for the wretched, it’s also annoying for a long time, not Ukrainians, of course, but ukry.

[Something like that]

Oh god-like MedvedoPut, everything happened as you predicted in 2008, and your great predecessors predicted earlier. The fiend of the USA has disintegrated into many states, there is a civil war, no one needs a dollar, they wipe their bottom with paper, Americans stand in huge queues to leave for the Russian Federation, an example of calm and with a rising GDP of 20% per year. The whole world begs Russia to sell nanotanks, nanoplanes, nanoships and connect to the GLONASS system. The wooden ruble has become the main world reserve currency, the central bank works in three shifts and still does not have time to print new bills. Oil and gas remained only in the Russian Federation, the Europeans crawl on their knees to Maskva to get 1000000 rubles each. (world currency) for a bucket to buy at least a couple, while they are ready to sell their children and soul. We look at all these "gentlemen", banging their heads on the floor, from high and let them kiss their dirty shoes. The Japanese use only the Vorkuta 5000 PC and the Kolyma 2010 operating system. The film "Burnt by the Sun-2" is canonized all over the world, the Zulu have been watching it three times a day for two months. Garison Ford runs for vodka for Nikita Mikhalkov, Angelina Jolie fills his pipe, black Hollywood actors do not let him touch the ground, they wear him in a golden stretcher. Naive, they can't play in Nikita's films, this rabble is too primitive and drinks little vodka. The Amazonian Indians became exclusively Russian-speaking and profess the canonical Orthodoxy of the Moscow Patriarchate (beards have to be glued). Liberal capitalism collapsed, the triumph of sovereign democracy began (your forerunners were right about the incomparable - the collapse of capitalism is inevitable). Haila Putin. Haile Stalin. Haile Rashism-Moskvofascism.

[His]

How long did the fucker write?

[PSih2097]

Somewhere I already read it ... Plagiarism?

[nmd_1]

Nope they force them to memorize it, before going to bed, to the level of a reflex, and so it jumped out of it.

[MichaelVl]

You see, "Kind of that", in order to roll such a story, you wondered how many Russian achievements and great people have remembered :) And then mention someone of your own;)

[Andrei]

mitrich so what's the problem? Write to Putin to make .ru closed from outside, and for you, too, outside of it. Just do you know what the Internet is? Googled if not. Personally, I go to this site, because I like it with my materials. But sometimes you come across extremely provocative articles, and comments to them are extremely inadequate our northern "friends"

[His]

We don’t really need you

[Winchester]

So you decide whether you need us or not? And then they pour mud over Ukraine for days, then offer to make friends, then they say that they do not need us, and then again they call in the CES, the Customs Union, etc. Purely Russian approach)

[MichaelVl]

Winchester, you generally call Russian fascists. Here, personally, you definitely do not need anyone;)

[Winchester]

I do not consider all Russian fascists. I hope that most Russians are normal people. But what can be called the Stalinists - supporters of the man who pursued an openly fascist policy - normal people?

[PSih2097]

This is where he spent it? And why do you think the Stalinists are fascists, go up to any front-line soldier on May 9 and tell him in person that you are a fascist.

[Gur]

no, look, Mlyn ... but Bandera and who else is with him ... God's Aganians? and were not fascists ?? They are the heroes of Ukraine .... and Stalin, yes !! a fascist of pure water (and there should already be your entry .. like "oh yes, he staged a famine, he joined Ukraine before the war .. he didn't let us all be resettled to Germany to work" and all that

[mitrich]

ANDREW,
and the proverb “They don’t go to someone else’s monastery with their own charter” Did your mother teach you?
What do you achieve with your comments? Russia is not going to go to war on you, do not worry.

[Winchester]

and the proverb “They don’t go to someone else’s monastery with their own charter” Did your mother teach you?
__________________________________________-
So why are you climbing with us with your pseudo-friends for about 400 years?

[His]

In general, these articles are for internal use, and not for you Ukrainians written

[Winchester]

Well, right, you know better from Russia what is happening in Ukraine)

[Ыыы]

it's time to remember the great words:

KIEV - BL * D CITIES OF RUSSIAN !!!

[Splin]

The conversations resemble old broadcasts, when Soviet citizens believed that only crowds of unemployed with placards walked through the streets of America and were crushed by passing gansters in limousines, and we have roaming bears and drunk Russian unshaven men in earflaps with caps (even in the summer) play all-day Russian roulette knockout. Visit first, then criticize!

[Winchester]

I forgot the most important thing! Guys also go with balalaikas, and a red star on earflaps! )

[mitrich]

WINCHESTER,
You, of course, mean the All-Ukrainian referendum of 01.12.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX. So you can see how you are taught at school that you not only know the ancient, but also the latest history of your republic.
Are you aware of the All-Union referendum of 17.03.1991? But on it 70,2% of the inhabitants of the Ukrainian SSR voted "for" the preservation of the USSR, "against" - 28,0%. Google it if you don't believe it. Although someone like you will still write that the results are falsified.
Good "slaves" - two Soviet General Secretary hails from Ukraine.
After you, the thought of brotherhood and a single country can be discarded as unnecessary. There is hope, however, that normal Ukrainians do not have computers, or they don’t.

[Winchester]

It’s not we who constantly shout about a united country and the revival of the USSR! It’s good that you understood at least now. As for the referendum, there really were 2. Only the second one took place in December 1991 and was fundamentally different from the first - 90% for independence.

[Superduck]

You wrote everything correctly about both referenda, so pay attention to the sequence of dates. December was later and there they voted against the USSR. Of course, it’s clear to the hedgehog that the date and the wording of the question was correctly chosen, only Ukraine, unlike Belarus and Russia, voted in a referendum for independence.
If anyone is interested in what happened during these 5 months, I’ll say that there was the State Emergency Committee which (or rather, it wasn’t itself, but the tanks firing cannons in Moscow) scared the Ukrainian population quite strongly, which was not used to such mansions. I didn’t vote both times then, more than 3 months of age was not enough for me, but I remember my feelings, the first time I would vote for the union, and the second time against.

[rapmaxter]

Ukraine follows the path of Poland. EU integration is a matter of the near future. and if not for the suffocating ultimatum of the Russian Federation, Ukraine was one level higher in development. Alas, the * brotherly * Russia has still not lost the ambitions of the empire, and there are enough ghouls in the Kremlin who still think conservatively and communistly. They shout in agony as in this article, as well. Understand that their time is up and they die like dinosaurs. Russia needs liberal people like Medvedev, who understand that the civilized world is a European world, but not Asian savagery.

[Winchester]

Is Medvedev a liberal? o_O But what about such a liberal war in Georgia?

[PSih2097]

Every year I go to Ukraine, somehow I came across a stubborn girl from Ivanofrankovsk, she gave me the following phrase (I don’t remember exactly, but I’ll give you the meaning): “you don’t need anything Muscovite”, this despite the fact that her mobile operator has MTS, then showed her a map of Ukraine with the territories attached to it (gifts from Muscovites), I somehow laid it out here.

[Winchester]

Do you have any Western multinational corporations in Russia? Your nationalists do not drive on Pindos Ford and Chevrolet?

[MichaelVl]

They ride and ride :) But no one here says that we don’t need anything from Pindos :)

[MichaelVl]

But Temka then again provoked heated discussions. This is always the case when Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are discussed. Even Mitrich is more emotional than usual :) This indicates that the topic is painful, people are painfully experiencing the current situation. Do not offend each other only, brothers! ;)

[Andrei]

MikhailVl. Brothers do not harm each other, do not suit the famines and go to Siberia for the better part of the fraternal peoples ...: ((((

[Smirnov Vadim]

And what in power during the sounded period of time only Russian stood?

[MichaelVl]

Andrew.
Are you starting to procrastinate about the Holodomor again? The entire Soviet people suffered then. It is not necessary to single it out in the theme "Russians have pissed off the Ukrainians", this is ridiculous and not serious! Stupid! Then shout that there were many Ukrainians in the administration of the USSR and the Soviet Army, but like the Holodomor, etc., etc., so YOU ​​alone were killed by the Russians. You are an adult, but you are led to "orange nonsense" :)

[nmd_1]

yeah, otherwise the Jews will come and remember them Khmelnitsky and the genocide of the Jews, like the Cossack women of Ukr at their peak roasted their children.

[Pіvdnyak]

About Muscovites only one can say: "Fool dumkoyu bagati".

[Maxim Krivonos]

Dogs bark
The caravan is coming
(in Russia more than the artificial in its foundation and existence)

[Andrei]

MikhailVl From these "nonsense" in the villages of the central part of Ukraine, there is practically not a single seven, in which at that time someone did not die of hunger. And the hunger was artificial, initiated by Moscow. See more ORT and other "truthful" channels. I myself have a grandmother who survived that period and saw with her own eyes how brave lads with a Moscow accent and burning eyes came and took the last out of the house. And who is against it in Siberia.

[His]

What are you all trying to make of Russian enemies. You yourself are not afraid of this. We will erase you

[nnz226]

The family of my mother-in-law lived near Zhitomir, she herself was born in 1931, and in her family (the most ordinary peasant !!!) everyone survived and grew up. "There is no need to nod at the mirror ..." By the way, in terms of% of the population loss from the famine of the 30s, the greatest in Kazakhstan, and not in the current Square, but Kazakhs are smarter than stupid Svidomo and do not fight in writhing about the famine! The population of the Kuban and the southern Volga region was also dying, so there is nothing to re-sing about American stories about the "Holodomor" ... Yes, there was famine, but there was no "Holodomor" (American slang) ... By the way, when in the 20s the same In the 20th century, ALL the Volga region was starving, the whole world was collecting food and funds for Russian peasants who were dying of hunger due to drought, but I don’t remember that Ukrainian owners somehow participated in this ...

[nmd_1]

This is due to the fact that the Ukrainians have developed a complex, they say they were only offended and now we owe them the grave of their lives, only now none of them will remember who was then at the party and in power, for example, surnames, and not pseudonyms. It doesn't smell like a "Moskal" spirit.

[mitrich]

Winchester, Andrey, 5766, SuperDuck, Ivan, cxb (who called himself a Russian Kiev),
1) it is foolish to deny the state-forming role of Kievan Rus and the city of Kiev as the first capital of the Russian state. By the way, who formed Kievan Rus, you know? Prince of Novgorod Oleg with a squad, and not some peasant from the locals. Kiev gave the Russian state the Rurik dynasty, after the death of the last representative of which, Ivan IV the Terrible, in the Moscow state (Russia, simply put), strife and confusion began. Only Kievan Rus is not an individual history of Ukraine, but our GENERAL history with you, for modern Russia and Ukraine is ONE;
2) 400 years of Russian occupation, you say? That is, the "northern" came to the "southern" with checkers at the ready? But what about the Pereyaslavskaya Rada in 1654, which made a decision on the entry of Ukraine into the Moscow state, and where will we put Bohdan Khmelnitsky? Yushchenko from Mazepa the traitor forced you and your children to learn history, or what?
3) not HUNGER, but HUNGER of the early 1930s, which took place not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia: the Volga region, the Don, the Kuban, the Urals, too; everywhere people were starving that year;
4) ECONOMY of Russia and Ukraine are too interconnected and interdependent, and yours is more than Russian. And the West? I remember with what fanfare Yulia Tymoshenko sold Kryvorizhstal to a direct competitor, Mital Steel, for what I think was $ 5 billion, and then what? Maybe Kryvyi Rih is flourishing, of course, but I haven't heard about Krivorozhstal anymore. I think that the plant is already on its side.
Nobody even thinks to unite or even more so to fight in 5 minutes or even 5 years, but we need to think about a common state, we will come to this anyway, since we are a ONE people with differences in language, nothing more. And the point here is not at all in Russia's "imperial" ambitions, but in the simple logic of things.

[Winchester]

1. You might think that Oleg was a Novgorodian) Oleg was one of the leaders of the Varangians who came to Novgorod and established normal management there.
2. Read the documents that have been preserved from the Pereyaslav agreement. There is not a single word about the reunification of Ukraine and Russia. It was an ordinary treaty on a temporary military alliance. Which, incidentally, the Russians immediately began to violate, i.e. he virtually immediately lost legitimacy.
3. About the Holodomor you, Russian, it is better to be silent at all. Yes, in the Volga region, Kazakhstan, too, there was a famine. But it was caused by crop failure + large grain procurements. It’s not for you to tell me what happened in 32-33 in Central Ukraine. They took not just all the bread (which, perhaps, took place in some regions of Russia), but ALL FOOD. Where in Russia in these years the army and the NKVD blocked roads, railway stations? In Ukraine, at this time, all possible exits from the countryside were blocked.

[nmd_1]

Winchester, read the history of the USSR, and not just Ukraine. Have you heard about the uprising on Tambov? So people in a similar situation took up arms, and you, like cattle, go to the slaughterhouse, what kind of war are you and the Cossacks then great? and if your famine was not there, maybe there was no rebellion, and if the surplus service was headed by local authorities, so say thanks to your ancestors for this.

[MichaelVl]

Mitrich,
ah well done! Well summed up, with the facts. Although everything has already been said a million times. But you won’t get rid of comrades like Winchester :)
>> since we are ONE people with differences in language, nothing more ==== RIGHT! No options !!! Mentality, thoughts, customs, etc., and so on - this is one, one people! It is a pity that we will have to wait until these pro-Western throwing stops.

[Captain]

Ukraine in Europe - Scattering in the ASS!

[Joker]

No, in the ass then Europe.

[nmd_1]

Ukraine, under the ass of Russia (geographically or under another causal place, choose it yourself). and also the captain - removed curse - write the name of the country correctly - Russia.

[DAGESTAN333]

I wish the brothers not to quarrel. You have much more in common than disagreements.

[mitrich]

WINCHESTER,
why do you write so categorically? Voted in Pereyaslavl in 1654, starved in 1933? Are you a DIRECT witness of what you are writing about?
Here, one of the commentators wrote that Muscovites took away bread in Ukraine with revolvers in their hands (according to the grandmother). And can I admit that Ukrainians with Mausers took bread in the Saratov outback (after all, people of different nationalities served in food detachments and OGPU)?
You are the same product of propaganda, like all of us present here, just once an opinion is drawn up does not give you the determination to agree with the arguments of your opponent. Perhaps, for a start, you will profess the principle of the "golden mean"?
You write that Stalin is a tyrant and a murderer. I thought so too at the dawn of my foggy youth. And now I’ll ask: who to believe - you or the late Vladimir Karpov, who has much more reason to be offended by Stalin than you do (he was imprisoned under Article 58), but at the end of his life he still managed to objectively assess his activities and write " Generalissimo ".
So who to believe, the one who suffered in those days, or you born much later?
Try all the same for a change to include your head and have your opinion, and not broadcast the opinion of those who broadcast on the "Inter" channel.

[Vladimir]

I tried to write everything from another office - it doesn’t work.
Not for the sake of hohlosrach, but objectivity for.
Communists, fascists, who freed whom, who betrayed whom, are lyrics. All our neighbors perfectly understand who they owe their lives to, but nonetheless. New historical trends ...
I already wrote that each country has its own place in the world and the world division of labor. Let's look superficially where Ukraine is in this regard.
Russia is a supplier of energy resources to Europe. Rather, Europe is a market for our resources. Ukraine has a very favorable geographical component - the transit territory for these millions of tons of oil and billions of cubic meters of gas. And almost all of the Russia-EU freight and passenger flow passes through them. Almost 90% of the foreign trade turnover between Russia and the EU is again through them. She doesn’t fit into this division in any way, because if she has anything, she doesn’t need it in the West — low quality and high cost. Those. Ukraine’s modern mission is to be the link between Russia and the EU. They would have lived like a god’s bosom, but no. It is necessary to position oneself as a dictator of conditions, requiring special preferences. That was until 2004. Then they began to build a joint venture, and from this year - UP. All transit capacities will be redirected from the territory of Ukraine bypassing. The cargo flow along the railway will also be taken to St. Petersburg. It’s cheaper and calmer. The main value of Ukraine - transit is blown away. The EU will never, under any circumstances, accept Ukraine either in the FTZ, and even less so in the EU. They have already abandoned them. Just by inertia, the tactics of neocons in the USA are rolling, and Obama needs to somehow justify himself to the voters for a second term. What will happen now - recently discussed on the site. The price of gas will certainly rise for Ukraine to 380-450 dollars. And that’s it. Just that. But Akhmetov, who set Yanukovych to force Azarov and the President to sign all the conditions of Russia, if only the gas was no higher than 280-320 - the threshold for profitability of the entire economy of Ukraine. It did not last long - 3-4 months.
Everything else - Khokhlosrach and Moskalesrach - the lyrics of not very distant people. There are realities from which no one can hide in Ukraine and can not hide behind wailing about communism, the Holodomor, etc. By the way, so that Ukrainian comrades know that Ukraine in the USSR was a subsidized republic. I sat on the Union (RSFSR) budget and received subsidies.
I’m not writing about the budget deficit, rising prices, inflation and the lack of gold and currency in reserves - some were taken away to the West by Tymoshenko, some were plundered recently. Gold reserves were paid for debts. This Old Man didn’t even allow himself.

[Vladimir]

Read more.
There is still a drop in consumer demand, unemployment, an increasing social burden on the budget, pensioners, an aging population and an outflow of youth. Cutting down state budget programs - museums, theaters, schools, educational programs, universities, kindergartens. And this is the brain and culture of the population. There are entire regions in Ukraine, in Bukovina, in Transcarpathia, in the Western Ukraine, where only up to 4 classes go to school. Like with Petlyura.
I don’t even write about science, art, etc. And this is the soul of the people. The military budget of Ukraine, I know for sure, barely covers the cost of food and partly on PLANNED clothing supplies. A cry has been thrown in their army - wear any everyday clothes, you can combine casual trousers and a summer field jacket, etc., because there are already no money to put on officers. Their Sahaidachny went to the exercises with our Black Sea Fleet, so he ate the half-year budget of the entire Black Sea Fleet in three days. Now it will be fun until the end of the year. Unless to maneuver in the coastal zone, to teach sailors to moor and give ends.
I don’t know about the collapse of Ukraine. This is disadvantageous to Russia, although the collapse will be necessary. The main thing is that Europe is also interested in this. If anyone thinks that Europe will save Ukraine or use it against us in the peak of Russia - well, let it think so, at least let it warm their souls, even this terrible illusion. Will Germany and France take the risk of aggravating relations with Russia for the sake of "friendship" with Ukraine? This is not even funny.
I can confidently say that Russia does not need Ukraine as a territory that can be used for its own purposes. Nobody even in a nightmare even sees Ukraine as annexed to Russia - God forbid. Even the strongest Ukrainian lobby, which is strong and has a huge influence on Akhmeto-Firtash-Boyko, does not stutter here in Moscow about this, because he will immediately get something heavy on the head. We need only a market and a non-hostile territory, because we need secure borders. Therefore, they will be forced to enter the CU and the CES. They will lead to a complete collapse of Ukraine, then they will be asked for themselves. But if now they can at least reject something, then nothing. Yuatka got out too, people still hang potato pasta on their ears. And quietly, he proposed to buy everything for Russia - from MAZ, Beltransgaz and Belkali, to enterprises of the military-industrial complex and electric networks. And the people feed all the anti-Russian propaganda.
Do not bark, let off steam, it does not matter. Scream into emptiness and despair. And you, comrades Russians, do not succumb to provocations. Carry the proud name of a Russian with honor, do not be like our smaller brothers.

[His]

I agree. But the second war will be felt according to the abbreviation of GUAM, after G goes U

[MichaelVl]

Vladimir, 5 points!

[ztk1]

I suggest: you return OUR Crimea to us, and we immediately forget that there is such a state of Ukraine and do not meddle in your affairs for the next 25 years so that you can fully integrate into this EU structure.

[mitrich]

VLADIMIR,

THANK. Your authoritative commentary is always impressive, puts everything in order and soothes the nervous system. Everything is clear to me. Further discussion of the topic with the Ukrainian comrades does not make sense. Thanks again.

[konsul]

Винчестер и иже с ним-http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%8
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it is written it seems is available.

[Arpotemiy]

Svidomo like me with their memorized simple phrases that guide them treat them.
They are "ancient" and "senior" because they are "Kievan Rus".
This is 100% nonsense, and if they had more than one meander for the entire Svidomo brotherhood, they would know such facts that there was no such state "Kievan Rus", there was just Russia, only a short period when the capital was moved from Novgorod to Kiev, until the moment when the capital was moved from Kiev to Vladimir, and then to Moscow. Those. it is one and the same state. Further, when Russia was already a mighty state with the capital in Novgorod and the head of the Novgorod dynasty Rurik, on that empty place was the Khazar wooden fortress, which was subsequently captured by Russia. Those. no Kiev was originally part of Russia. Then, having established wide trade with Byzantium, the Novgorod dynasty of Rurikovich built its new capital here in the middle of the trade route. Russia, in the Greek tradition, Russia basically remained the same with the basic language, with mats from the time of Novgorod birch bark letters, descendants of the population in old Russian cities.
In Ukraine, everything is different. The main significant cities, roads and territory were rebuilt only after the defeat of the Turks, Poles and Tatars. When kakly declare about "occupation" then specifically on the map they will not show you the "occupied" territory. On the contrary, the Novorossiysk province, from Odessa to Kharkov, was inhabited by the direct descendants of the Russians who recaptured these lands from the Turks, and there was no smell of Ukrainians. There was a relatively small nest of male Cossack robbers involved in smuggling. For those who do not know, the Cossacks in Little Russia were of two types - the register, as an integral, albeit autonomous, part of the Polish army, supported by the Polish treasury and the Sech, which consisted mainly of fugitive people or people seeking robbery.
So there is still a very big question, who is occupying and occupying whose lands, "Ukraine" conceived by Lenin with the Germans, to which he also illegally transferred the Russian Novorossia - the defeated Donetsk-Krivoy Rog and Odessa republics, like the Crimea cut off from Russia by the lover of embroideries Khrushchev.

[Superduck]

Quote: Arpotemiy

The Novorossiysk province - from Odessa to Kharkov, is inhabited by direct descendants of the Russians, who recaptured these lands from the Turks, there was no smell of Ukrainians here.

It is not true, the Slobozhansk region is full of Ukrainian villages - these are the descendants of Maloros who fled from "Ruins" - that is, civil war which Khmelnytsky and his comrades waged.
To be more precise, they started to fool at trifles so well, I even put a plus sign in haste.

[Arpotemiy]

As for the language, a quarter of Ukrainian consists of Turkisms like tyutyun, bashtan, kylym, maidan, another third of purely Polish words, a third of all-Russian words in the roots of which "o" and "e" were replaced by "i" during the reforms "and five percent are just made-up words. Those. This is a newspeak that is very muffled, but in the academic version very few people speak it, the basis of the Ukrainian language is not the Poltava dialect, as they try to imagine, but the Galician dialect. In the Southeast, the Little Russian language is used, in terms of sound melody it is similar to Ukrainian, but based on the general Russian vocabulary with a small Polish component. Even according to genetic studies, part of the Ukrainians, which is typical, the most Svidomo part living in Galicia are not even Slavs, their genotype contains a pronounced Turkic and Romanian-Albanian components, which allow us to conclude that we are dealing with descendants of immigrants from across the Carpathians, in whose competition with the Russian Slavs has developed a consistent and stable Russophobia and they are the most notorious and ardent enemies of Russia, who have already torn off large chunks from it and are now infecting the descendants of Russia with the virus of Nazism and hatred for everything Russian.

[His]

Ukraine was created after the war, how much dough was poured there, plus Crimea was presented

[Superduck]

The presence of Polish words in Ukrainian is not an unnatural phenomenon, they are also full in Belarusian, and I can tell you a secret that the Poles are also Slavs. Half of the Russian words that have no analogues in Ukrainian are generally English and French, so it would not be worth boasting.
Well, in general, in Ukrainian, of course, everything is heavily mixed and a lot of artificial, here I agree in part.

[huginn]

I agree that Ukrainian is closer to the Slavic language, but this is not the point, but the fact that, for example, fundamental science is impossible in Ukrainian, either in Russian, or in English.

[Superduck]

Quote: huginn

fundamental science is impossible in Ukrainian, either in Russian, or in English.

And that’s true, and not only science but simply technical terms, what does a sloop worth - a carburetor

[mitrich]

ARPOTEMIY,
You are well done. Everything is clear, clear and authoritative, knowledgeable.

[Arpotemiy]

And the name "Kievan Rus" for brevity was given by modern historians to the period when the Russians held their capital in Kiev, after Novgorod and Kiev was not even the second capital, and the third, after Ladoga and Novgorod, was ruled there by direct descendants of the Novgorod princes of Rurikovich, as indeed then in other capitals - Vladimir and Moscow.
Ukraine does not belong to Russia at all, its ideology appeared at the end of the 19th century and is based on Galician Ukrainian nationalism.

[Skipper]

One thing I can’t understand is why comrades from Ukraine come to the site and talk outright nonsense out of impotent anger at the Russians. You should be ashamed, fellow crests.

[His]

These are Orange propagandists. The bastards leaked, they still remember the Russian language. They are trying to crap on Russia

[Eric]

About civilizations! Dear administrators and authors of articles, I ask you to lay out the evolution of executive power in Russia and in Europe, let’s start with the first legal codes of our Mother’s Rus' and please draw parallels with similar European regulations; now we will cry with laughter from the “civilization” of Europe! :) Please, please make an article!

[Eric]

Let the unborn lads become a little wiser! Otherwise, the deer who forgot the lords’ whip are already tired of them!

[Rico1977]

You've gathered yourself into a bad people... It's like a house is on fire, and they're sharing their cowards in it. They swear, take things away from each other... Are you Slavs? The Pindos will come - and they are already very close - and they will put you all in cancer. This impoverished lot of Romania, Poland and the Baltic states will seem like paradise to you. We (Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians, Kazakhs and even other Central Asian republics) will not only be destroyed as states, divided into pieces - we will be destroyed as a culture, as a people, as a nation, as a religion. Don't you understand this? This is the same drang nach Osten as in 41. The same fascists, sincerely confident that their way of life, their people, their political system are better than ours, will bomb us and Ukraine and Belarus to the unanimous applause of the UN. And everyone applauding will consider in their minds what they will tear away from the broken Russian civilization, how to divide it. Are you Ukrainians - do you think it will pass you by? Or past Belarus? Education will be destroyed for all of us, the adult population will be turned into cheap labor and service personnel, industry and agriculture will be destroyed. And in return, they will set up supermarkers, Catholic churches, and even the roads will belong to French companies. For Ukraine, the example of Bulgaria is an indicator - look at what the flourishing region has been turned into. We are all one people, divided into branches, one civilization - in a difficult situation. All branches of the united Russian people are now having problems - but our future is only together. Only unity will give us the strength to withstand the strongest enemy in history - and this enemy is not only external. We also need to stand up against the outright corrupt fifth column. But the main thing is to knock the nonsense that has been drummed into us for twenty years out of our own heads. We will only survive together - this applies to Russia too - there is no point in shouting that we ourselves will survive - no. As against Napoleon, as against Hitler - together we only survived. And now they must unite. And everyone who says that we will live on our own - either out of stupidity, or -removed- in general - are working against their people. So we have two ways - either it’s the end of us or we’ll be together - there’s no third option...

[His]

I agree, but in Kyiv they don’t understand this

[DAGESTAN333]

Rightly noticed.

[Arpotemiy]

Novorossiysk province - from Odessa to Kharkov, is inhabited by direct descendants of the Russians who recaptured these lands from the Turks,
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It is not true, the Slobozhansk region is full of Ukrainian villages - these are the descendants of Maloros who fled from "Ruins" - that is, civil war which Khmelnytsky and his comrades waged.
To be more precise, they started to fool at trifles so well, I even put a plus sign in haste.

What's not true? That the vast majority of cities, ports, roads, factories in Little Russia and Novorossia were built by Russians, according to the decrees of the Russian Crown and with money from the Russian treasury? Or that the fugitive Polish farm laborers were not handed back?
Under Khmelnitsky, this was the territory of Turkey; moreover, the population from this territory was completely cleared by the Tatars, the main income of their robber nest was the slave trade. The bulk of Little Russian villages arose after the Russians colonized the Wild Field, driving out the Turks and completely pacifying the Tatars. When this age-old threat ceased to exist, former Polish slaves fled from across the Polish border, who were allowed to settle around Russian cities and enjoy all the benefits of the Empire along with other subjects. The descendants of these former starving people who had nothing with them except torn clothes (what did the former runaway serf have, who knew nothing but how to bend his back in the master's garden? He knew how to build ships, roads, hospitals, or develop this infrastructure as the basis civilization?), who received access to school, medicine, and culture, were greatly “repaid” even by banning the use of the indigenous language of this territory. What the Wild Field was like was waist-deep grass that a horseman could ride for weeks and not meet a single person.

[Superduck]

If you want to tell the facts where you are lying.

Quote: Arpotemiy

That the vast majority of cities, ports, roads, factories in Little Russia and Novorossia were built by Russians, according to the decrees of the Russian Crown and with money from the Russian treasury?

The Russian Empire and not the Russians, get that into your head! Do you know how the empire differs from your village? Then we strain the cerebellum and remember since when the Russian empire began to be called such and how it differs from the Muscovite kingdom, and where the money in its treasury came from.

Quote: Arpotemiy

Under Khmelnytsky this was Turkish territory.

Well, no comments here, open the maps of those years and see where the borders of the Ottoman Empire (and not Turkey!) were, again you are bringing a blizzard. The wild field is a no man's land, after the foundation of Kharkov, Izyum and Chuguev - the Moscow kingdom. Only Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich acted wisely; he allowed Little Russians running away from the lords and from the war to settle here in exchange for the fact that they would serve. However, the governors were only Moscow, the garrison was called the Kharkov Cossack Regiment, this was one of the first experiments, which was later extended to the Don and Kuban.

Quote: Arpotemiy

The descendants of these former starving people who had nothing with them except torn clothes (what did the former runaway slave who knew nothing but how to bend his back in the master’s garden have?

These descendants are also my relatives, so hold your tongue, spontaneously serf peasants from the Tver province invented electricity or peasants from Normandy knew how to build galleons.
If we take history for example. my hometown of Kharkov, then discarding the legend about the Cossack Kharkov and turning to the historical character Warrior Selifontov, so he commanded over the Khoroshevsky and Kharkov Cherkasy, who were definitely not Muscovites (I use Muscovite to separate the subjects of the Muscovite Kingdom from others).

Damn, I lost my temper, sorry.

[His]

The Russians created you. You were cheaper than dogs among the Poles

[Victor]

In 1993, I and my comrades (meaning officers and warrant officers) carried out, by order of the Airborne Forces command, the withdrawal of the 98th Guards Airborne Division from the territory of the Odessa region from the city of Bolgrad to Russia. Some Ukrainian officers and warrant officers remained in Ukraine and swore allegiance to the new state. But before parting, there was one more oath of allegiance to each other and to the Slavic brotherhood. It couldn't have been any other way. We served and fought hand in hand, without bothering ourselves with long mental struggles about who was a Muscovite and who was a crest. We are still friends with many officers, we correspond, we go to visit each other. we are happy with each other. Our consciousness is not inflamed. Because we ourselves are burned and are trying to take care of each other. My friends are in Ukraine and we are in Russia, we only regret one thing: there is no unity in Slavic heads. We see such a cross, until common misfortune comes knocking on the house again, we will not become wiser.

[His]

But there were nationalists in the ranks of Chechen militants, and there were career officers who shot down our military planes over Ossetia in 2008. If the officers there receive an order to attack us, they will refuse and will not go to war. Ideology plays a role in everything, mass fucking on TV, people are set up. After all, fascists are not born

[mitrich]

VICTOR,
a unified Soviet Army - yes. Afghanistan - yes.
And Abkhazia 1993?
What about both Chechens?
What about the “five-day” war of August 2008?
Was it really the dashing thought that came into our heads to fight our Slavic brothers?
And your disappointment is understandable as a human being.

[His]

Why are Belarusians not guilty of such sins? They volunteered to fight with us side by side in the first Chechen war, no one asked them to do this.

[Arpotemiy]

Half of the Russian words that have no analogues in Ukrainian are generally English and French, so there would be no point in boasting here.
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What "sinister" aplomb. It is clear that this thought arose from you out of thin air, because knowing the etymology of the words of your language, you would bashfully remain silent, since in the language, among other things, there are many words that in Russian exist only in obscene jargon.
Nausea - vomit (vomit slang), skin - shkira (skin, “take by the skin” slang), buckle up - prystebatysya (snake slang), I won’t translate further - wriggle, uviphaty, smoktaty, beat, etc. Beauty!
Now let's return to etymology. In general Russian, as a natural language, these rows are slender and beautiful. Let's take the word path - good-passing-putin-crossroads-path-journey-crossroads.
Let's take the Ukrainian analogue, in which we will see the Polish word "way" and try to derive something useful with it. It won’t work because this word is foreign. Shlyakh - shlyakhetny (oops, shlyakhetny is translated as noble) that's all. Those. They even have simple words from the times of Rus', which we find in thousand-year-old birch bark letters and living in the general Russian language, replaced by foreign ones, although this is not true, it was precisely a large proportion of settlers who brought these words to Russian lands.
Even the simple all-Russian word “SpasiBo”, meaning a short prayer of gratitude “God save you!” they have replaced it with distortion. Polish "Dyakuyu", although remnants of this word still exist in the form of a distorted "Spasybi". In Russian, they have a German-Polish farba. In our country they draw, from the word risk - a line made with a painter (the first tool for drawing images on birch bark), hence the verb to write. They draw - painters, painters, again German. Those. Even in such elementary and commonly used words we see “such antiquity” that our opponents should be silent in shame.

[Superduck]

Quote: Arpotemiy

Let's take the word path - good-passing-putin-crossroads-path-journey-crossroads.

Putin forgot!
Path is an Indo-European word, there is an English pattern, an ancient Indian pnths. Let’s take the Polish way, in your opinion, and then, right away, the Russian folk tale about Ilya Muromets:

And it’s a long road, with no end in sight.

Or Ivan Vasilich changes his profession, Izyumsky Way, well, to hell with it, Gaidai turns out to be a Svidomite.
Damn, it didn’t turn out well, well, okay, the path is Aryan and who, if not us Aryans, won here.

[Arpotemiy]

As against Napoleon, as against Hitler - together we only survived. And now they must unite. And everyone who says that we will live on our own - either out of stupidity, or -removed- in general - are working against their people. So we have two ways - either it’s the end of us or we’ll be together - there’s no third option...
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Rico, from the point of view of politically correct, and therefore distorted history, one can draw the following conclusion. But we have never been together with Svidomo Ukrainians. On the contrary, their ancestors consistently and voluntarily took part in all wars against Russia in the armies of the most terrible aggressors, such as the Swedish Charles, the same Napoleon, the Austro-Hungarian army in the First World War, where 50 Galicians rushed to enlist, in Hitler’s troops against Russia (in the form of the USSR do not forget that this is just a stripped-down Russian Empire) individual Ukrainian VOLUNTEER (as opposed to Vlasov forced) units up to the SS division "Galicia". The leading Ukrainian ideologists were either Hitler's agents - Bandera or officers of the Hitlerite army - Shukhevych. So what you call brotherhood is the Little Russian-Great Russian brotherhood of one people, Svidomo Ukrainianism is a completely different phenomenon and is often confused. We should not forget that Ukraine today is built on the ideology of Svidomo Ukrainianism, which is antagonistic to Little Russia, and therefore the Customs Union and other cooperation are nothing more than an illusion. In fact, the victory in Ukraine was won by the descendants of the Nazi Ukrainian underground allied with Hitler, which is why the Constitutional Court decided to ban the Victory flag and veterans were beaten in Lviv on May 000. The Russian leadership needs to be clearly aware of this.

[MichaelVl]

With veterans, this is a generally disgusting story! This should have only been allowed!!! How everything is changing in the world!.. This is sacred! There are no words, I would have killed those freaks who let their hands loose on the old people!

[Superduck]

Quote: Arpotemiy

and veterans were beaten in Lvov on May 9

Are you crazy, there were no veterans there at all with these clowns, they themselves admitted it later!
Guys, Goebbels is looking at you and crying with emotion, you yourself already believe in what you yourself came up with, I don’t want to offend anyone, but this is a topic from the field of psychiatry!

[His]

You are a fascist

[Superduck]

From which one? You say a lot of nonsense, to educate yourself, at least go to Wikipedia and read what fascism is, then Nazism. You might even learn a lot of new things about yourself.

[MichaelVl]

SurerDuck, don't be offended, and don't talk about psychiatry. We discuss what we saw on the zombie box. Perhaps they lied there, and this will not be surprising, because journalists still need to be checked... You tell me how and what happened there, without emotion, refute it, supplement it. For example, I will be very happy if what I saw on TV turns out to be nonsense and a lie. But then again, they probably wouldn’t have blown this out of nowhere. Tell me in general.

[His]

He will tell everything only according to their TV. Our TVs show things differently. And so he turned out to be Russian, that’s how it happens

[Superduck]

I don't have a TV.

[Superduck]

http://lenta.ru/articles/2011/05/19/dozor/
This is an interview with a girl who was one of the organizers of the boys’ trip to Lviv on May 9th.

[figwam]

Do not swear

It’s already a headache to read everything!

[figwam]

DON'T CURRENT BROTHERS UKRAINIANS, WELCOME TO US IN KOLYMA.

[figwam]

We love Ukrainians.

[Cheese]

After reading a little bit of everything said here, I was blown away. They talk about language and I don’t know what. Of course, Russia is bad and weak, and does not resolve issues with the Caucasus, and in general, my real Ukraine is the coolest of all. Yes, that's the question. I personally don’t see anything wrong with this. What happened 100 years ago and the flag in your hands. My relatives gave you Crimea, and for your health. But the eggs of Crimea are Sevastopol, and the heart of Sevastopol is the base of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. I am not against my beloved Ukrainians striving to either the West, or to Europe. But don’t interfere with us for God’s sake in Russia. We need to raise our land, and let them ruin you from where the sun goes down.
From a geopolitical point of view, the entire territory west of the Danube, Prut, and Carpathians does not belong to Western Civilization. This territory belongs to the center of power located to the east. There was no Moscow, this territory was disputed by Kyiv. Well, then, alas, Moscow began to subjugate this territory, after the Great Horde, of course. The attempt of the Orders, Poland, Sweden, France, and not least Germany, to subjugate Muscovy, the Russian Tsardom or the Russian Empire ended in a national catastrophe for these state entities.
Why all these complicated conclusions? The trouble with Russia is that it has such neighbors as the notorious "Independence". You should throw her away, but she’s a bitch and won’t give up. Ukraine is the cross of Russia. At one time, the Russian Empire, because of the “brotherly” idea, rushed into the First World War for the Slavic brothers of Serbia. It was a geopolitical mistake. Now there is no need to force fraternal Ukraine - it will give it itself when it understands that no one needs it except Russia.
By the way, this applies not only to Ukraine, but also to Belarus, and also, what is even more interesting, to the entire Baltic region too.

[His]

These newly created states (more precisely, their nationalist elite) think the opposite

[Sgt.]

I read the comments and wanted to add:.
1. I just talked with a person who came from Ukraine - so it turns out that not only Crimea is their territory, but also half of the Krasnodar Territory..
2. Remember the attacks of the Nazis on veterans in Lvov on May 9, 2011. So it turns out that these fucking Muscovites came from Moscow...
3. And the last one just killed me - it sucks that they say that Hitler’s alliance won, otherwise they would be living like people now...
It’s all so sad.. Propaganda works there too

[His]

As soon as the name of the country is changed, the presidents are changed - people, strangely enough, like a flock of sheep, begin to change

[Superduck]

You know, when I was in high school under the USSR (under Gorbachev already) in high school, we had a contingent of families there who listened to the Voice of America at night, they said about the same thing, this is what they call now who wants to hear what - he will hear. As a person living in Ukraine, I can say that such propaganda did not exist under Yushchenko. Well, about the Stavropol region, this is of course nonsense, but I heard such a position from one Russophobe. Now I’ll roughly retell it (it doesn’t coincide with my opinion).
As you know, Catherine, after she dispersed the Sich, gave the Zaporizhian Cossacks lands in the Kuban on the condition that they would serve, well, you all know that. Further, since Little Russia became part of the Muscovite kingdom under a treaty in which the Cossacks participated as the only legitimate force in Little Russia, thus the Zaporozhye Cossacks and their direct descendants - the Kuban ones - have in their hands a type of deed of gift from the queen and the Kuban type is inherited back if anything .. Well and then I lost my mind :-)
Ottake, well, in such matters everything is limited only by imagination :-)
And once again, there were no veterans in Lvov, these were Odessa and Simferopol boys, I don’t know where the ears grow in Simferopol, but in Odessa they are financed by this real Russian rich man Igor Markov, only portraits of Alexander Nevsky can be painted from him :-) Check out the face :

The last Russian pancake!.

[LESHA pancake]

Wow, there aren’t enough SS troops caps

[Superduck]

The great man, a year after graduating from school, became chairman of the board of directors of the corporation, and successfully married the daughter of the director of the Odessa landfill. Now he spreads the garbage all over Moscow to the boys. This is what we have in Little Russia “Motherland”...

[Arpotemiy]

SuperDuck If you want, I will tell the facts where you are lying.

Will you “cover up” my facts with your Svidomo mythology about the “Muscovites”?

The Russian Empire and not the Russians, get that into your head.

It is apparently too difficult for your head to understand that butter is butter, and the Russian Empire was the state of the Russian people consisting of three tribes - Great Russians, Little Russians, and Belarusians. Some Little Russians became Ukrainians, some where there was no Ukrainization and foreign influence, together with the Great Russians, became Russians. For example, in Russia, about a third of the population have Little Russian roots and do not suffer from Svidomism or belief in the “great ukrov”.
Let’s look at your Svidomo mythology using the example of the Cossack Kharko, who allegedly founded Kharkov, in order to relieve your excitement about the truth about the beggars on the Polish side. Let's look at your literature:

He has a hat with a tag on him, the posts, the gray fabric is patched, torn...
How can you get dressed if you have worked day and night for a while!
The master's bread became a lump in the throat, life was richer than radishes at home...
Khariton, or else Kharkom was simply called Siroma.
Yuri Kruglyak, “Tikav Cossack to Slobozhanshchina”

[Superduck]

Quote: Arpotemiy

Will you “cover up” my facts with your Svidomo mythology about the “Muscovites”?

You are impenetrable, I wrote why I called them Muscovites, you can even piss in your face.

Quote: Arpotemiy

It’s apparently too difficult for your head to grasp that butter is butter, and the Russian Empire was the state of the Russian people

The Russian Empire was a multinational state of Russians (in 3 forms, you said everything correctly) as well as Tatars, Finno-Ugrians (now almost all of them consider Russians, although they are not Slavs, including Udmurts on the family line). The Russian Empire grew from the Russian/Muscovite kingdom as a result of the annexation of Little Russia, Little Russia gave the Russian Empire almost 50 professional troops (simply a colossal figure at that time), the Great Russians, shoulder to shoulder with the Little Russians and other peoples of the empire, took the Black Sea region and forced the Ottomans to leave Europe. This is how the empire differs from your village, this is what I want you to understand. Otherwise, when you need Russians, they are Great Russians, and when you need something else, they are Russian Ukrainians and Belarusians. So who gave what to whom then tell me, Great Russians to Little Russians, so maybe the Great Russians themselves took Ochakov during the reign of the Muscovite kingdom? This is where you yourself bring the problem, finally decide, are you a chauvinist or are you for the Russian idea?! And since the collapse of Kievan Rus, the Muscovite kingdom took only the Tatra lands on the Volga from the larger one; no one lays claim to them. Can a Ukrainian really not be involved in the victory in World War II, in the annexation of the Crimea and the Black Sea region to the empire, in Ushakov’s campaigns, was the imperial army really a mono-ethnic Great Russian? Tell me!
And you didn’t read me at all, I mentioned the Cossack Kharko in the context of a legend, but was operating with a historical character. Are you not ashamed at all or are you purely trolling me while the stupid goblins howl?

[Arpotemiy]

Brief translation: hat-tag i.e. a piece of sheep skin wrapped around the head (hat-tag with a hole on top) on it, posts i.e. “shoes” made of a rough piece of leather tied with braid, a poor man’s patched, torn mantle, where to dress, when he bent his back on the master day and night, the master’s bread became a lump in his throat, life at home was worse than a radish, his name was Khariton as normal, his nickname was Kharko , or just hungry."
Here is a real portrait of the “founder”.
Those. “the Cossack was ticking” to the “Muscovites-occupiers” and tens of thousands of them were ticking, settling around Russian cities. It is clear that without shovels, money, and most importantly knowledge, they could not establish anything, they could not even engage in any skilled labor, needing training. In Svidomo mythology, this clap is depicted as a rich horseman. Kharkov was founded quite standardly and routinely, like most medium-sized cities of Rus'-Russia. However, in your language there is no such word as city, although ancient Russian names included this root - Novgorod, for example. There is only Polish "misto". Perhaps this is where Svidomo’s parochialism comes from. By the way, peasants and craftsmen in Rus'-Russia created such works of art, to which yours are the same distance as the New Zealand Papuans - clay glaciers are yours, we have Palekh, architecture, the work of Russian craftsmen from weapons, jewelry, cutlery, mineral finishing - malachite, amber, Russian cuisine, finally, epics that your newcomers “don’t remember”, Russian theater and ballet, the beauty of ancient Russian cities are valued all over the world, have you heard about Lefty, the savvy English flea? That's why the Poles had you, not us.
Well, I won’t even comment on other “Muscovite” tunes, examples of Polish developments of the 19th century, since they are far from reality. Regarding the map, Turkey bordered Poland in the North near Kyiv and Russia in the Southeast. As for “no-man’s” lands, this is cool, even by Svidomo standards.

[Superduck]

Well done, you are a complete chauvinist, and you have just wiped yourself out with the Russian idea in public, continue, Svidomo will quote this and scare children. Write the same thing about Belarusians to complete the picture.

[nnz226]

Well, a state built on betrayal has no right to exist! At the Pereyaslavl Rada they shouted: “The Russian people will kill the Tsar of Moscow!” they shouted voluntarily, not at all, as it was written in one Ukrainian publication (apparently from the printing house of a madhouse), not at gunpoint from rifle guns! For the delegation from Moscow consisted of as many as 30 people + 200 guard archers, and several thousand Cossacks and others gathered on the Maidan (according to Ukrainian chronicles). BUT!!! Before the Pereyaslav Rada, Hetman Khmeltsnitsky (the surname indicates the penchant of this family for vodka) three times turned to Moscow with a request (let’s call it that) to accept the Ukrainian lands (and not the country with that name) under the hand of the tsar. And he was refused three times! Moreover, the refusal was caused not by the whim of the tsar, but by the decision of the Zemsky Sobor (analogous to the Congress of People's Deputies). Russia had no time for the rebellious regions of Poland then!
And only screams on the topic: “Catholics are slaughtering Orthodox Christians!” inspired the “stupid” Russians to save the inhabitants of the outskirts of the Muscovite kingdom and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth!!!
And what? They sat out, were saved from the “final solution to the Ukrainian question” by the Poles (and in the 17th century there was no trace of the Nuremberg Tribunal and the issue would have been resolved qualitatively, no worse than the Jewish one in 1941-45), and now it turns out that Russia is an occupier! It's really not very clear why...
Kyiv - "mother of Russian cities"? Izmail, taken by the miracle heroes Suvorov from the Turks, Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa, Sevastopol, built by Russian men? Kharkov - the capital of "Slobozhaniny" - from the word "sloboda" - the Tsar-Father allowed fugitives from Ukraine from the Polish terror, they settled in settlements next to it, where does the name come from? Chernigov, where the Moscow governor sat under Grishka Otrepiev? Or western Ukraine, which until 1939 was Polish territory, and without the “hand of Moscow” it would have remained there, with its capital in the city of Lemberg? (none lion)
So, ruin for traitors! They didn’t understand once in the 17th century, they’ll have to understand again in the 21st...

[Stavr]

But no one managed to convince Super Ducka, which indicates that Western propaganda is strong, that the information war began even before the Cold War. The last one, as you know, Russia lost outright! The influence on minds, especially young ones, to fool and throw in ideas pleasing to the puppet masters, as they say, takes place! Although, really, what should Ukrainians and Russians share? In fact, one nation, and many have a Russian mother, for example, and a Ukrainian father. And what? Use a saber to split it in half? I had the opportunity to serve near Moscow with guys from western Ukraine and I can’t say anything bad about them. They drove chocks together, but did not go too far, understanding what tolerance is. Ukrainians, have you really forgotten the proverb: “When lords fight, the forelocks of the slaves crack?” It would be fine if “the gentlemen fought,” otherwise there is a direct confrontation between Western civilization and Slavic civilization. Each one holds on to its own values. But if the Slavic one is trying to survive and survive, then the Western one is trying to enslave and impose its life values. And if we go deeper into history, we must take into account that it has been distorted by politicians thousands of times and that is the only reason why all references to it are meaningless. You just need to understand that the “divide and conquer” policy is not of the Slavs, but of Uncle Sam overseas. And if the example of traitors to their own people from Belgrade teaches nothing, then tomorrow tamahawks from NATO ships may fly into your barn, which some fools are trying to annex to the European Union. Well, yes! So they are waiting for you there in Europe with this barn and the last dead cows and chocolate-covered lard!

[Superduck]

Dedicated to you all.

Mayakovsky, Debt to Ukraine
Do you know
Ukrainian night?
No,
you don’t know Ukrainian night!
Here
sky
from smoke
it's getting black,
and coat of arms
etched with a five-pointed star.
Where is the vodka
prowess
and blood
Zaporozhye
The Sich was seething,
wires reined in
having humbled the Dnieper,
Dnieper
will force
the turbines are leaking.
And Dnipro
along the mustache wires
electricity
flows through the buildings.
Probably refined sugar
and Gogol needs it!




We know,
does he smoke?
Does Chaplin drink?
we know
Italy's armless ruins;
we know,
like Douglas
the tie is marked...
What do we know
about the face of Ukraine?
Knowledge is a load
from the Russian
skinny -
to those who are nearby
little honor.
They know that
Ukrainian borsch,
They know that
Ukrainian lard.
And from culture
skimmed off the foam:
but
two
famous Tarasov -
Bulba
and the famous Shevchenko, -
you won't get anything out of it
no matter how hard you try.
And if they press you -
will light up with a rose
and will nominate
new argument:
will take it and tell
a couple of curiosities -
jokes
Ukrainian language.
I tell myself:
comrade Muscovite,
to Ukraine
no jokes.
Unlearn
this language
on the banners -
scarlet lexicons, -
this language
majestic and simple:
“You hear that the surrogates have begun to attack,
the hour of reckoning has arrived..."
Is it possible
more shabby
hush up
words
well-worn
“Do you hear”?!
Я
I came up with a lot of words for you,
weighing them
I only want one thing -
to become
all
my
poetry words
full-fledged,
like the word "feel".




Difficult
people
crush into one,
By yourself
don't be too proud.
Do we know Ukrainian night?
No,
we don't know the Ukrainian night.

1926

[Superduck]

Can you at least tell me what you want to convince me of? That the inhabitants of Ukraine are stupid people, dependents and traitors to your idea, which you yourself are not able to formulate. That they don't lick your feet personally in response to a stream of insults and nasty things? Well, try again. Or am I stupid and failed to read between the lines of your deep thoughts about the meaning of the existence of the universe?

[His]

Yes, he is a propagandist, he gets money for it. The work is like this

[Superduck]

And what am I promoting? Also tell me that I’m selling Herbalife. However, they won’t even give you a certificate for your writings. And you haven’t found my posts everywhere yet so you can add minuses without looking, you flawed one.

[His]

What is the point in going to the websites of a foreign state and proving something there?

[Superduck]

That’s why I came here by accident, saw you here and thought, “Oh God, why did you create such a thing...”
There are good articles here, but most of the notes on socio-political topics are just darkness! I didn’t even suspect that there were such reserves of nonsense!
Moreover, the site is Russian and I don’t see any restrictions for myself; Russians hang out (troll more often) on many Ukrainian sites, and I’m also Russian, and here you are discussing different types of Russian ideas. Those. The topic concerns me too.

[His]

Why then don’t you move to Russia to live if you are Russian?

[Superduck]

And that Russians can only live in Russia? I have half of Ukrainian blood, and probably not only Ukrainian, my wife is a Ukrainian, a good girl. It’s good for me to live here, you won’t believe it. I earn quite well, I like the climate, women here have no analogues in the world . Not only do I not want to go to Russia, I don’t want to go to the West either, although they offer me several times a year. By the way, a couple of people working with me who came from Russia and not for political reasons also feel quite normal. Moreover, I often visit Russia, thank God I live on the border, my grandfather and grandmother are buried there. True, the village where they lived was 80% populated by Meskhetian Turks, the Russians were almost the only grandmothers left, the boys, my childhood friends from there, all died, one was killed out of drunkenness when they were bringing equipment from Chechnya for repairs in a train, one choked in a puddle, and one was cut for the same reason, sad... vodka is strangling Russia for now, not NATO. In short, my homeland is here, you don’t choose it, you know. It doesn’t matter where you live, it matters who you feel and how you feel.

[His]

I'm happy for you. And my homeland is Russia. And that's it. So don’t yap on my country, live in peace, we won’t bother you. Russia is a self-sufficient power. It's always been like this.

[Superduck]

And I didn’t blather if you didn’t notice.

[Stavr]

It’s time to remember Griboedov, who was cut into pieces by the Turks, but in a modern interpretation. History, as we know, develops in a spiral... as the modern Chatsky would have written...
And who are the judges? - Corruption response:
For money, their thirst is not commensurate,
Judgments derive from monetary advice
Who will give more, he is the owner of the Crimea.
Divide, to rule always! -
They all sing the same song:
Shame the brothers and then
Take the good lies worse.
Where, tell us, are America's fathers?
Surely we should take you for samples !?
Ile the oligarchs that are rich in robbery,
Protection from court in friends found, in kinship,
Magnificent building chambers,
Where they are poured into feasting and drunkenness,
And where do not resurrect customers-foreigners
Passed through the life of the infamous features.
And who in Moscow was not clamped with mouths
Lunches, dinners and dances?
Who sold the country into slavery of the dollar,
For plans of some obscure
A country that went through a great war.
Lord of the rascals nobles
In a crowd surrounded by servants?
By persevering, they are at the time of wine and fights
And his honor and his life more than once saved: suddenly
He threw a bone to the masses. Gnaw, dogs!
Isn't that the ginger cat drove on many wagons
All the shares of the country in order to divide them all.
Himself immersed in the mind in currency procedures
Made all of Moscow marvel at their beauty.
Virtually embodied in paper for good reason
The wealth of the whole country, he announced for a reprieve
But gradually everything: factories and land
Sold out, one by one.
These are the ones who lived to see their gray hairs.
That's to respect who we should be in the desert!
Here are our strict judges and judges!
Now of us alone
Of righteous people there will be an enemy of search
Requiring neither seats nor promotion
Let them mind, so thirsty for knowledge
Or in his soul God himself will arouse the gift
To the high and beautiful hopes of democracy, -
They immediately: robbery, fire!
And they will throw him in prison, declaring him dangerous.
Uniform One uniform! He is in the past of their life
Once sheltered, embroidered and beautiful
Their weakness, reason of poverty
And us for this happy journey?
And the same passion for the ranks and awards in power!
For shoulder straps, have I long since renounced tenderness ?!
Now I don’t fall into this childishness,
Now I wouldn’t be involved in all
Like a yellow-eared funny kid
Raising blind kittens to the attack,
Screaming while stupid: cheers!
And covering the air with good obscenities ...

[clean]

SuperDuck - Stavr tells you - I had the opportunity to serve near Moscow with guys from western Ukraine and I can’t say anything bad about them.
No one says that the Ukrainian people are stupid, dependents and traitors to our idea. Ukraine, like Belarus, are fraternal nations closer than Russia. We are the same people in spirit and idea. Each of us is a patriot of our Motherland. It’s just not entirely clear vacillations of your president and government from side to side, or they are so crazy about power and don’t know what to do with it. And in general, I would like to ask you, SuperDuck, whether Yanukovych fulfilled his election promises to his people or not, and when you remember, you will understand everything?

[Superduck]

Quote: paster

No one says that the Ukrainian people are stupid, dependents and traitors to our idea.

Yes, read this page up again, I have no complaints against you personally, but they write disgusting things there

Quote: paster

It’s just not entirely clear vacillations of your president and government from side to side, or they are so crazy about power and don’t know what to do with it.

Well, it’s probably not worth extrapolating Yushchenko’s ideas and Yanukovych’s “consistency” to the entire Ukrainian people and to me personally. I am more than sure that over a glass of good alcohol we would all sing songs and fraternize. Russian presidents, frankly speaking, also messed things up in their time, Ukraine is a weak country, it is trying to maneuver like a frying pan in matters of politics, + karmic punishment “Three Cossacks, two hetmans,” I’m not trying to idolize or demonize anyone, it’s already happened. I think it’s worth starting with the idea that no one owes anyone anything, a clean slate, how can old grievances be the foundation for friendship. There are no completely bright moments in the history of relations between Russia and Ukraine, but there are potentially bright prospects, you need to think about this and not find out who is older than Kyiv or Novgorod and based on this draw a conclusion about the inferiority of the loser.

[clean]

Superduck
There are no completely bright moments in the history of relations between Russia and Ukraine, but there are potentially bright prospects, you need to think about this and not find out who is older than Kyiv or Novgorod and based on this draw a conclusion about the inferiority of the loser
For this you deserve respect SuperDuck, you speak the right words.

[Vladimir]

Before delving into the history of the origins of peoples, we must remember that continuous chronicle history dates back only to the time of Ivan the Terrible. Everything before this is some fragmentary knowledge, such as “Words...”, and the times of the Slavic tribes and the origin (roots) are, by and large, conjectures of scientists, theories and hypotheses. A striking example of such a theorist is Gumilyov, the son who. Even Klyuchesvky and Sokolov did not go into the hypothetical jungle, but relied on already known and more or less established points of view. Now, in the era of the parade of sovereignties and independence, the pre-Annalistic history has been rewritten to please one regime or another and no one will prove anything to anyone. For example, one of the smartest Ukrainian historians from its western part seriously claims that the Ukrainian nation as a nation (!!!) was formed another 140 thousand (!) years ago. There are even those who believe him and from the large stands of the Rada support him with foam at the ria. What can you do, state of affairs.
Modernity is more important and relevant.
Today, on the day of the 70th anniversary of the fascist attack on the USSR, let's remember better our grandfathers - Ukrainians, Belarusians, Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs, Georgians, Armenians and 125 other nations and nationalities who broke the fascists' backbone, tore it out and threw it away. Me, for example Having gone through two wars, I can’t imagine how they won. I seem to have read almost everything about the war: documents, orders, reports, and reports, but I can’t put my mind to it. This is simply some kind of impossibility.
Low bow to all of them and all nationalities.
Better answer the question. If we imagine that tomorrow NATO attacked Ukraine, will a Russian, a Russian go and beat a Ukrainian in the face, or not? That’s it. Not only an individual Russian-Russian, Russia will stand up for them. Are they for us? I don't know, honestly. Another thing is more important - we - yes. Everything else is politics, peacetime costs.

[His]

Now everything is happening the other way around. Soon, not NATO will attack Ukraine, but NATO will attack us from the territory of Ukraine. We cannot allow such a scenario to happen.

[Superduck]

I support, All my grandfathers and great-grandfathers are front-line soldiers, there is no one left, eternal memory to them and all the soldiers of that war.

[Muscovites]

The stinks fought at the II Svitov Vіynu with Moscow tricolors:
• Battalion Muravyova
• Combat Union of Russian Nationalists (BSRN)
• The Brotherhood of Russian Truth
• Division "Russland"
• Volunteer SS regiment "Varyag"
• Green Special Forces
• Cossack Stan
• Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (CONR)
• Lokot Republic
• Zeppelin Organization
• Republic of Zueva
• RONA
• ROA Vlasova
• Russian building
• Russian detachment of the 9th army of the Wehrmacht
• 15 Cossack Cavalry Corps SS
• 1st Russian National SS Brigade “Druzhina”, also known as 1st Russian
SS national squad
• 29-I Grenadier Division of the SS (Russian Nr.1)
• 30-I Grenadier Division of the SS (2-I Russian)
• Air Force CONR (Air Force ROA)
• 1-I division ROA / VS KONR (600-infantry division of the Wehrmacht)
• 2-I division ROA / VS CONR (650-I infantry division)
• 602th East Battalion
• 645 Battalion
• ROND / RNSD
• Russian building
• Russian People's National Army
• Russian liberation army
• SS Regiment "Desna"
• Russian detachment of the SS "Charlemagne" division
• Russian detachment of the SS division "Dirlewanger"
Monuments erected in Russia by those who faithfully served Hitler: The most “scandalous” - • Memorial plate dedicated to von Pannwitz, A.G. Shkuro, P.N. Krasnov, Sultan-Kelech-Gireyu, T.N. Domanov and others. - “To the soldiers of the Russian military alliance, the Russian corps, the Cossack camp, the Cossacks of the 15th cavalry corps of the SS who fell for faith and the fatherland” - the temple “ All Saints ”, Moscow, Leningradsky Prospect, 73a. Installed in 1994. On May 8, 2007, the monument was destroyed by anti-fascists, but later rebuilt by the supporters of "Great" Russia. The “freshest” - • in the village of Elanskaya (Rostov Region), the opening and consecration of the Don Cossacks in the Struggle Against the Bolsheviks Memorial Complex and the monument to P. N. Krasnov took place. The memorial complex includes a museum and an archive.

[Vladislav]

Aren't you tired of remembering history? The past has passed (sorry for the tautology) and there is no point in remembering who owes what to whom. People change, and to think that descendants should be held accountable for the sins of their ancestors is stupid. Moreover, history is written by those who have the bigger baton in their hand, and you can’t be 100 percent sure of anything.

[Rusyn]

Mongol-Katsaps burn with napalm. And Rus'-Ukraine, according to the predictions of Muscovite shamans, has been disintegrating for 21 years and still will not disintegrate, and will not disintegrate. We were especially amused by the Muscovites’ “knowledge” of Slavic languages, either Ukrainian or Belarusian, allegedly consisting of a third of Turkisms or Polonisms. As a person who knows, in addition to Ukrainian and Belarusian, Polish, Czech, Slovak, and also slightly worse Bulgarian, Macedonian, Croatian and Serbian, I can only say one thing - the most dirty Slovenian language is the Muscovite language. Regarding supposedly Turkisms and supposedly Polonisms, either in Ukrainian or Belarusian, Muscovites need to either be baptized or undergo treatment, since they must proclaim all the words that Muscovites do not understand (such as kut, rukh, chas, rik, right, rank, etc. and etc.) either Turkisms or Polonisms are a sign of the deepest remaining of the Muscovite from other Slavs, since all these words are in other Slavic languages ​​and are primordially and deeply Slavic, for example the same rukh (movement). And if we talk seriously about Turkisms, then the dirtiest language will certainly be the Muscovite language, where during the Mongol-Tatar occupation a certain but, in principle, small number of Turkisms actually accumulated. In the Ukrainian language there are very few active Turkisms, i.e. at the level of other Slavic languages. There are a small number of Polonisms, just like in the Belarusian language, approximately at the level of 1%-3%, depending on the texts. But to compare this with the number of Bulgarianisms in the Muscovite language (and there are from 30% and above, in scientific and journalistic texts more than 50%!!!!) is, of course, simply ridiculous.

[clean]

Of course, it’s very rude when you speak the Muscovite language, the dirtiest, let’s say, but the dirty language you speak was spoken by Pushkin, Yesenin, Tolstoy, Griboyedov, Nekrasov, Turgenev, etc., etc. In the West they specially teach our dirty language in order to read them in the original.

[clean]

Moreover, when they talk about Ukraine joining NATO, your leaders also choose dirty language, because in Brussels no one knows your language.

[Dmitry, Zaporozhye]

It’s not surprising, I’m a Nazi face, it won’t even be worth writing because Ukraine is still the same
ki (thanks Yushchenko) jumped on the train called the EU, ah, I’m a Nazi face, I’m the rest
I was where I was - in the scoop. Well, Luka is also an idiot to himself, I’m a Nazi face, and
chained. This is how the two of them will prove to each other what is against them
the whole world (while supplying this very world with gas, oil and exporting there
money). Morons, I’m a Nazi face, you were, and remain morons. Apparently a nation
so bad. They can’t live normally.

[Kievan]

They write nonsense! Look at yourself in the mirror.
Yes, we live better than all of you with your... Putin!

[Dmitry, Zaporozhye]

What, I’m a Nazi face, there’s nothing to object to? You can only shit from around the corner. Okay
, I’m a Nazi face, I’ll repeat it. So:
No wonder, I’m a Nazi face, it won’t even be worth writing, because Ukraine
(thanks Yushchenko) jumped on the train called the EU, but I’m a Nazi face, and I stayed
where it was - in the scoop. Well, Luka is a moron to himself, I’m a Nazi face, and chained.
This is how the two of them will prove that the whole world is against them (at the same time
supplying this very world with gas, oil and taking money there). Morons
They were morons and still are. Apparently this is what the nation is like. They can’t live normally.

[Diver]

SuperDuck I am amazed at your patience Not everyone can stand such trolls and on the topic.. I was struck by the propaganda in Russia..
it may seem like deja vu, but I’m Russian, I live in Kyiv and it’s really disgusting to read some of the comments (especially the character “Own”)
One thing is reassuring: if such conversations take place outside the forum, then a common language and mutual understanding are found much faster and easier

[Superduck]

Quote: Diver

SuperDuck I am amazed at your patience smile Not everyone can withstand such trolls

Why did I break down a couple of times? But there are a lot of quite adequate people here, each with his own cockroaches, in fact. You know that there are people who are sheep, but what they fixate on depends only on where they woke up in the morning, there are plenty of them in any country and on any topic.

[dmitri077]

The topic about Ukraine is simply TOP! )) just let me break it! That's what people are really worried about... what kind of States are they like? kick your neighboring brothers and throw mud at them... let the provinces come back... horror!