"Abrams are on fire": Iraqi curse of the M1A1M tanks

In August 2008, a contract for the supply of 140 was signed between the United States and Iraq tanks M1A1M. The contract value amounted to 2,16 billion dollars. Fighting vehicles were to be delivered from the American army, after major repairs. Many of the military experts were convinced that deliveries of the Abrams to the newly formed Iraqi army were unlikely to help the Iraqis in the event of an aggravation of the situation. Moreover, Iraqi tank crews will do everything for their "skillful" exploitation of armored vehicles to make the M1 more compromised and forever lose the glory of the most "invulnerable tanks" of the world. And so it happened.

At the beginning of this year, the Iraqi Abrams were first used against the militants of the extremist group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL). Terrorists effectively managed to resist armored vehicles made overseas. And again, for the first time in many years, we saw the burning Abrams.

The last weeks were marked by the fact that the Iraqi army suffered a real catastrophe. Formed by the Americans, she began to crumble in her eyes. And again on the screens - destroyed "Abrams".

Moreover, in some cases, the militants managed to disable the M11M, throwing grenades into the open hatches of tanks.

It is possible that in the coming days we will see something that the American military could not even dream of in the most nightmarish dreams: Islamist fighters are attacking the captured Abrams. And they are confronted by exactly the same M1X1 in the battle formations of the government army, which is also supported by America’s worst enemies - Iranian "guards of the Islamic revolution". Even 10 years ago it was simply impossible to imagine such a thing.

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[Scandinavian]

It turns out to burn well ...

[karal]

Quote: Scandinavian

It turns out to burn well ...

Better than a paraffin candle!

[Children BuryKonya]

They burn not only from "Cornets", even from RPG-7

[Andrey57]

They burn beautifully from a machine gun, if they are planted with armor-piercing incendiary air conditioners at the stern of the tower, while the burning oil miraculously flows into the engine compartment through the ventilation slots, in addition, booking the tower in the upper projection in the 20-25mm does not add optimism to the tankers

[nixto]

and a large-caliber barrel breaks through

[Wedmak]

By the way, what happens if you shoot from a broken barrel?

[bugaev2005]

Tear !!!

[Kars]

Quote: nixto

and a large-caliber barrel breaks through

Can I have a photo of a broken barrel from an 14,5-12,7 machine gun?

Quote: Andrey57

armor-piercing incendiary air conditioners at the stern of the tower,

and you can photo Abrams with the APU (and not air conditioning) at the stern of the tower after the 1991 war of the year.

[TS3sta3]

and you can photo Abrams with the APU (and not air conditioning) at the stern of the tower after the 1991 war of the year.

Here is a video from the teachings of tanks Abrams 24 July 2012 in Kuwait (all on the stern of the tower):


but it's not all about it. Abrams was destroyed not as a consequence of the lumbar space, but as a result of the fact that the fuel from the punched vsa was flooded by the engine of the tank and a fire occurred. those. With bottles of cops or a molotov cocktail, it is also possible to destroy the miracle of American-German-English machinery - the Uber-Abrams tank.

[Kars]

then all the same Kuwaiti, there are no American ones for sure.
And I can fully assume that he will go into combat with an empty APU tank, like Soviet tanks should have empty tanks on the fenders and removed additional feed barrels.

T-64 taxis, its bottle of KS on MTO not to destroy. Good ejection cooling system.

[TS3sta3]

then all the same Kuwaiti, there are no American ones for sure.

Here are the American Abrams with American tankers in Afghanistan 29 March 2014 (all again at the stern of the tower):



small clarification: only the corps of the marine corps are deployed at the stern of the turret; after modernization, the ground forces remove all of the armor.

[Kars]

So there is no APU, because they were officially removed. And they haven’t been produced since 1990, and the resource is not eternal. Maybe they really installed the air conditioning.

[TS3sta3]

This is exactly vsu (you will not confuse it with anything), so that you can continue to burn abrmas from the dashi.

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

it's definitely vsu (you can’t confuse it with anything)

Actually, this is an armored casing, and I don’t see the reasons why they can’t store a supply of diapers and Coca-Cola there.

[TS3sta3]

everything is simple: no sue - no armor for su; There is a sun - there is an armored jacket for the sun. otherwise it turns out to be a circus, and not the US Army, so that it can carry cola and diapers in an armor jacket from VSU. especially since the cola will be warm.

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

everything is simple: no vsu - no armored housing for vsu; there is vsu - there is an armored casing for vsu.

there is nothing simple. The VSU can exist without an armored casing, just like an armored casing can be used as a box.

Quote: TS3sta3

it turns out to be a circus, not the us army, so that cola and diapers in an armored casing can be transported from vsu

And where to carry them?

Quote: TS3sta3

especially since the cola will be warm

American tankers must suffer at least some sort of military service.

and so in Iraq 2003 and after that I still did not see tanks from the external APU. like I didn’t hear about the loss of the tank after the defeat of the APU, besides the only case in 1991

[TS3sta3]

as well as armored can be used as a box.

can, but is not used - there are no facts of use for the intended purpose.

And where to carry them?

nowhere because

American tankers must suffer at least some sort of military service.

and so in Iraq 2003 and after that I still did not see tanks with an external APU

They are now in Afghanistan, in the last video.

I did not hear about the loss of the tank after the defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

Yes, it is not necessary to shoot at all, but they started to throw water on me. then the sense will be.

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

maybe, but not used - there are no facts of use for other purposes

and what reports should go? APUs are written off as having worked out their resources, but the boxes remained. Although for Afghanistan, for standing at the checkpoints, we pulled a couple of the remaining three from the warehouse.

Quote: TS3sta3

nowhere because

There will be no war without diapers and Coca-Cola, the maximum is warm and the diaper size is not the same.

Quote: TS3sta3

but it’s not necessary to shoot at the VSU, but they lit up to throw it at the MTO. then there will be sense.

You know how to shoot from a DShK with 200-500 m, it’s somehow easier than approaching the throw distance of a lighter with your hand, and more precisely, DShK. But there is only one case.

[TS3sta3]

and what reports should be sent? The Ukrainian Armed Forces are written off as having exhausted their resources, and the boxes are left.

and after all, the truth could have put some junk into these armored boxes, and they left there completely and would not wait for their column of machine guns to be burned.

There will be no war without diapers and Coca-Cola, the maximum is warm and the diaper size is not the same.

do you propose to bomb not the Pentagon, but the Coca-Cola and Diapers plants? Please note that this will also affect the civilian population, and then you will personally be responsible for crimes against humanity.

You know how to shoot a DShK with 200-500 m as it is easier than to go at a distance of throwing a cigarette lighter by hand, and more precisely the DShK.

until then, insurgents used until recently rkg-3 (true on city streets, but still), so the main possibility and desire.

But only one case is known.

and how many we still do not know? maybe they are there on the way with opener knives. you never know until recently, no one imagined that an uber-tank could be destroyed from some kind of machine gun, and not the largest caliber, but for a real tank, in general, from small pieces. horror. and you're here about the removal of bk complain.

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

and after all the truth could put some junk into these armored boxes

It’s strange that you didn’t notice in my photo that the APU box was so thrown up and covered with junk that, in theory, it couldn’t work.

Quote: TS3sta3

they will not wait until their armor burns a column of machine guns

already 22 waiting.

Quote: TS3sta3

propose not bombing the Pentagon, but Coca-Cola plants and diapers?

Quote: TS3sta3

and crimes against humanity

They can give a medal for saving stomachs from ulcers and the environment from used diapers.

Quote: TS3sta3

the local insurgents used until recently the rkg-xnumx

Well, she also has more armor penetration.

Quote: TS3sta3

but how many do we still not know?

Now with this easier, the Facebook soldiers themselves merge the secret information.

Quote: TS3sta3

machine gun, and not the most heavy

In Chechnya, T-72 from KPVT was crumbled.

Quote: TS3sta3

and here you are complaining about takeaway.

I am for progress in tank construction.

[TS3sta3]

It is strange that you did not notice on my photo that the box of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is so littered and talented with junk that in theory it will not work.

Well, firstly, the photo does not show whether it is a box or just a tent box in the basket. most likely they are land-carriers, not marines, but they never put them on the tower.

already 22 waiting.

see all the old-fashioned cope - that SVU, the RPG. conservatives probably.

They can give a medal for saving the stomachs from an ulcer and the environment from used diapers.

catch up and give again

Well, it has more armor penetration.

meaning that they threw them from a distance of no more than 30 meters, almost point blank. which is quite enough for lighters.

Now with this easier, the Facebook soldiers themselves merge the secret information.

and yet

In Chechnya, T-72 from KPVT was crumbled.

straight crumbled?

I am for progress in tank construction.

is it also "shrinking"?

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

Well, firstly, the box is not visible in the photo

Click on the photo, it is a good size and there is an APU casing

Quote: TS3sta3

most likely these are the traders

and why is a piece of OPVT installed at the stern?

Quote: TS3sta3

see all the old-fashioned cope - that SVU, the RPG. conservatives probably.

22 years are waiting for the next hit in the Armed Forces with the destruction of the tank.

Quote: TS3sta3

meaning that they threw them from a distance of no more than 30 meters, almost point blank. which is quite enough for lighters.

Yes, it’s better to throw a grenade, only 30 is far away, rather 15-20. Yes, and it is easier for the wars of Islam - Allah akbar and to the guria.

Quote: TS3sta3

and yet

that nigovoros and the death row and political officers are lacking there.

Quote: TS3sta3

straight crumbled?

1994 T-72A

Quote: TS3sta3

is it also "shrinking"?

the transition of quantity into quality.

[TS3sta3]

T-64 taxis, its bottle of KS on MTO not to destroy. Good ejection cooling system.

and when was the last t-64 released? But where is he in service? and his tower flies away?

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

and when was the last t-64 released?

Yes, not much later than Abrams - 1985 year.

Quote: TS3sta3

and where is he in service?

Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Transnistria, Congo, if arrived.

Quote: TS3sta3

and does his tower fly far away?

Yes, about the same as the rest of the tanks with the carousel under the BO

[TS3sta3]

Yes, not much later than Abrams - 1985 year.

Is the latest Abrams released in 1985?

Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Transnistria, Congo, if arrived.

rather they are not in service, but remain because "a penny is dumb"

Yes, about the same as the rest of the tanks with the carousel under the BO

not really, it turns out, taxis. another thing is Abrams - there is a blast of BK that just kills the crew, without special effects. sheer profanation, not the removal of bk from bo.

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

rather they are not in service, but remain because "a penny is dumb"

So it can be said about many countries. And some of the fact that the second world’s tanks hold on their arms, or sell for half the price of Leopard 2

Quote: TS3sta3

not really, it turns out. another thing is abrams - there the bk explosion just kills the crew, without special effects

But the percentage of dead crews does not coincide with the percentage of BC detonation from a direct hit. As it is for tanks with a carousel.

Quote: TS3sta3

continuous profanity, and not the removal of BK from bo.

All the same, better, the following is only the removal of the BC in a separate cassette charging from the external carrier ammunition and automatic charging.

Quote: TS3sta3

Is the latest Abrams released in 1985?

A large-scale production ended in 1994, and all sorts of Block three, AIM and T-64 are knocking on BM Bulat, and are being sawed to this day.

[TS3sta3]

So it can be said about many countries. And some of the fact that the second world’s tanks hold on their arms, or sell for half the price of Leopard 2

those. rationality, namely the market chooses which tanks are preferable.

But the percentage of dead crews does not coincide with the percentage of BC detonation from a direct hit. As it is for tanks with a carousel.

from where the woods? I don’t believe that they shot at Abrams and fell more often than at t-shkami.

All the same, better, the following is only the removal of the BC in a separate cassette charging from the external carrier ammunition and automatic charging.

There is no such thing, this is fantastic. fighting for the best of the worst. from that and choose.

T-64 domuchivayut in BM Bulat, and sawing at this time.

why not snapped up like hot cakes? tanks sell well, the demand is there. For example, Azerbaijan does not owe anything to Russia, and took tanks from them.

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

those. rationality, namely the market chooses which tanks are preferable.

Vryatli preferences here, here the opportunity.

Quote: TS3sta3

where are the woods from? I won’t believe in truth that they shot at abrams and hit more often than at t-shkah

Did I say that they fired more often? Here, the whole crew perishes in the rush for each detonation of the control unit (with instant detonation and direct hit in the BC), but not in the abrams, but there were cases of detonation of the BC with the surviving crew.

Quote: TS3sta3

no, it's fantastic.

Not yet.

Quote: TS3sta3

fighting the best of the worst. from that and choose.

fighting on what is, and usually not choosing anything.

Quote: TS3sta3

why not grab like hot cakes?

many different nuances

Quote: TS3sta3

tanks sell well, demand is

where is the firewood? The demand as such has fallen dramatically, especially dumping the US and countries selling b, leopards.

Quote: TS3sta3

Azerbaijan owes nothing to Russia, and took the tanks from them.

surely nothing should?

[TS3sta3]

Vryatli preferences here, here the opportunity.

Only those who have the opportunity to purchase can afford preferences when choosing. those. talking about those who can buy. those. For example, if Zimbabwe had money for tanks, they would have chosen the best - t-shki, and not abrams or pillboxes on the harp - merkava.

and in Abrams there, but there were cases of detonatzm BC with a surviving crew.

sounds like an exception to the rule. and when the detonation of the BK loader dies under the same conditions as the crew of t-shki.

where is the firewood? The demand as such has fallen dramatically, especially dumping the US and countries selling b, leopards.

let him fall, but he is there. then the buyer is left to choose only the best (not Abrams and not T-64).

surely nothing should?

I don’t have the information either about tanks or the rest. Share what Azerbaijan is obliged to Russia, that you have to buy tanks from them, and not from anyone else.
why this schedule? The PCV works, there is demand, there are prospects for increasing the market share (for Russia).

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

if zimbabwe had money for tanks they would choose the best - t-shki, and

How do you know? Zimbabv and Samali have enough money for T-72

Quote: TS3sta3

only those who have the opportunity to purchase can afford to have preferences when choosing. those. the conversation is about those who can buy

I did not understand anything. So does the choice depend on the availability of money, while T is usually cheaper than Abrams.

Quote: TS3sta3

sounds like an exception to the rule. and when the detonation of the BK loader dies under the same conditions as the crew of t-shki.

If an open armored gate dies the whole crew, no one dies closed. In the T-one answer, everyone died in the BC.

Quote: TS3sta3

let him fall, but he is there. then the buyer is left to choose only the best (not Abrams and not T-64).

The buyer only has to buy what he has money for, or what allies and partners will offer. And rich countries usually buy expensive tanks.

Quote: TS3sta3

neither at the expense of tanks, nor at the expense of the rest - I have no information.

if you don’t have it, why do you categorically declare that you don’t owe anything? For example, I’m not sure.

Quote: TS3sta3

what is this schedule for?

The graph is that the number of tanks in the world is declining,

Quote: TS3sta3

There are prospects for increasing market share (for Russia).

unless the domestic market - when they put the armature on their armament, well, the so-called outcast countries (Syria, Iran, etc.) so far have not heard any special contracts in new countries.

[TS3sta3]

How do you know? Zimbabv and Samali have enough money for T-72

and not only from them, but also from India, etc., and the majority choose t-72 and t-90, and not Abrams and leo.

I did not understand anything. So does the choice depend on the availability of money, while T is usually cheaper than Abrams.

direct dependency. there is money - there is a choice, there is no money - we don’t remember about them, let them fight against the old ones.

If the armored valve is open, the whole crew dies, no one is killed.

the armored valve is often just the same open for an increase in the rate of fire - that is, for an increase in the chance of survival in battle. and an armored shutter shares the fighting compartment with the tank commander and the shooter from the combat pack with the loader. those. undermining BC - death loader, and since armored valve often open, then the entire crew. and despite the fact that the armored valve does not inspire confidence, because of its appearance in view of the fragility of the structure, then it most likely will not save it from the blast wave.

It remains for the buyer to buy what he has money for, or what allies and partners will offer. And rich countries usually buy expensive tanks.

they buy t-shki more often, i.e. best tanks.

if you don’t have, then why do you categorically state that I don’t have to? I’m not sure, for example.

Well, if there are no facts that should, then it should not. hp

The schedule to the fact that the number of tanks in the world is reduced,

and selling t-shek is growing

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

choose t-72 and t-90, not abrams and leo.

It’s not regrettable to tell you that Abrams and Leo received more distribution than the T-90, and more affluent countries. And the main operators of the T-72 could not choose anything but received nothing in the form of socialist assistance, or bought for a penny after the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw treaty .

Quote: TS3sta3

direct dependency. there is money - there is a choice, there is no money - we don’t remember about them, let them fight against the old ones.

you see, and those who have money usually take Leopard 2 or Abrams.

Quote: TS3sta3

the armored shutter is often just the same open to increase the rate of fire

this is a small myth, despite the fact that Abrams’s BC was most often struck as a result of guerrilla attacks, or unexpected ambush firing. The rest is the crew’s choice, and this choice of the tank’s carousel with a roundabout is a priori, they can’t only take shells over the carousel, that is, to go into battle with a reduced BK. And we are still discharging from the view of the BK itself unitars with an all-metal sleeve, or separate with a combustible sleeve made on the basis of nitro compounds and TNT.

Quote: TS3sta3

they buy t-shki more often, i.e. best tanks.

I understand the Lada better than Maybach, they are bought more.

Quote: TS3sta3

and selling t-shek is growing

Where?

[TS3sta3]

It is unfortunate for you to tell Abrams and Leo more widespread than T-90, and in more affluent countries. And the main operators of T-72 could not choose anything, but received nothing in the form of socialist assistance, or bought for a penny after the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Treaty .

the more prosperous are mostly nato countries that couldn’t buy t-shki even if they really wanted to. and t-shki have become more widespread, and it is thanks to socialist assistance that it is.

you see, and those who have money usually take Leopard 2 or Abrams.

I see that the market for tanks is more than 50% owned by Uralvagonzavod. Leo and Abrams respectively lose out.

I understand that Lada is better than Maybach, they are bought more.

It is better to burn a cigarette if there is not and will not be on Maybach. Yes, and Abrams with Leo is not Maybach against T-shki-Zhigulya - tth almost identical.

Where?

yes that's it:
http://pro-tank.ru/blog/1296-export-new-tanks-russia-2017

[Kars]

Quote: TS3sta3

more affluent - mainly NATO countries,

Not only NATO

Quote: TS3sta3

and t-shki got more widespread

as Lada more common than Maybach.

Quote: TS3sta3

I see that the tank market is owned by Uralvagonzavod by more than 50%.

you don’t see well, and if you exclude Indians, then it will be scarce at all. And it’s not interesting things, money is more interesting, and the surplus value is even more interesting. And if you recall what is sold on the money of Russian loans to countries to buyers.

Quote: TS3sta3

better Lada, if there is no Maybach

Say this when the maybach will overtake you, and in the parking lot the owner of the maybach will be a stick from the women odbivatsa.

Quote: TS3sta3

Yes, and Abrams with Leo is not Maybach against t-shki-

Do not let Audi TT against viburnum.

Quote: TS3sta3

http://pro-tank.ru/blog/1296-export-new-tanks-russia-2017

They are such plans. And there, basically, India makes the weather. And her choice was weak - thanks to the USSR for giving the T-72 tank assembly plant to India

[Wedmak]

if you plant armor-piercing incendiary air conditioners at the stern of the tower

There is no air conditioning, there APU, clogged to the eyeballs with oil and fuel, protected only by bulletproof armor. But she is wonderfully punched by 14 mm machine guns, to say nothing of 23 and 30 mm guns.

[yushch]

The aft of the tower is not quite air-conditioned, otherwise the Abrams would be able to shoot cold guns from MANPADS, there the auxiliary power unit is in order not to drive the main engine when the tank is not moving, the electrical equipment quickly lands the battery. But your thought is correct, they are destroyed .

[atarix]

and even from a grenade abandoned inside!
ps when there is no brain then no armor will help.

[donavi49]

In general, they are harnessed with hand grenades.

[Vitynar]

Yes, they throw them in the hatches, having previously pulled and laid out shells from the ammunition rack on the cabin floor.

[222222]

Damaged Abrams in Iraq - Destroyed abrams in Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGrGAPhbpsY

[Juborg]

In one of the photos, the campaign shows penetration from an RPG, moreover, in the frontal armor of the tower, which is like 80 cm of uranium armor (in terms of the usual approximately 120-130 cm) And this is already cool.

[Kars]

And what does not burn from the RPG-7 in skilled hands?
And in fact, another proof that the technique in the hands of the Arabs is scrap.

I will wait for new photos, although for now it still remains my favorite.

[ddmm09]

It should be so. And not only in Iraq!

[ddmm09]

It should be so. And not only in Iraq!

[aleks 62]

Quote: karal

Quote: Scandinavian

It turns out to burn well ...

Better than a paraffin candle! :

.....
..... Once again, extra evidence: technique in the hands of a savage - a piece of iron ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Scandinavian

It turns out to burn well ...

There’s a problem, now these Abrams will also rush to Syria, build a caliphate. This is a kind of supply of weapons. Sell the tanks, get loot for them, then poison the Islamists, capture the tanks and send them to Syria. Here the United States, like not at what.

[Children BuryKonya]

Until a "no-fly zone" is introduced over Syria, the Abrams are not a problem for its armed forces. And they can keep their dreams of the caliphate with them.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Children Bury the Horse

Until a "no-fly zone" is introduced over Syria, the Abrams are not a problem for its armed forces

Oh well, Iraqi technology is already there. Check out the news.

[svp67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Current is a problem, now these Abrams will also rush to Syria, the caliphate is building

I think that they will find something to do on the "Iranian front" ...

[werewolf]

Well, why be so bloodthirsty and follow the path of greatest resistance? It is necessary to convince enthis ISIS to turn to Saudi Arabia ... Their resistance will be zero. Money is immeasurable. And .. each sheikh can be taken away at least 300 wives. I don’t understand why they should die from the Syrians and Iranians asking for money for war from the Saudis? This money is already theirs! They need to explain all this somehow.

[tux]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

There’s a problem, now these Abrams will also rush to Syria, build a caliphate. This is a kind of supply of weapons. Sell the tanks, get loot for them, then poison the Islamists, capture the tanks and send them to Syria. Here the United States, like not at what.

By the way, this is a thought! Or maybe the LPR militias can also "repulse" Russian tanks in the border areas? Isn't it the supply of equipment for the LPR according to your option? And legally you will not undermine.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tux.topwar

! Or maybe the LPR militias can also "repulse" Russian tanks in the border areas?

Then we will have to recognize them as terrorists.

[tux]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Then we will have to recognize them as terrorists.

Unfortunately you are right.

[Predator]

Hmm ... and if "terrorists" from the SE seize a Russian transport ship from the 80s, then the Russian Federation does not seem to have anything to do with it ?! And you can also run into Parashenko!

[Evgeniy1]

What a "Fantasy", we have in the Crimea Ukrop weapons MOUNTAINS!

[abrakadabre]

we have in Crimea dill weapons MOUNTAINS!

I will correct it. There the mountains are not dill, but old and deadly worn and plundered Soviet weapons. Dill somehow did not work out with the manufacture and arming of mountains of weapons.

[massad1]

I confirm every word, I talked with a man alone - he works on a piece of iron in Dzhankoy - he told me how this scrap metal was handed over to dill. He said that we have little idea of ​​what kind of trash there is, and he also said that this miracle "technique" was loaded on the cars in a BULK, which allows us to draw unambiguous conclusions about its condition

[abrakadabre]

Current is a problem, now these Abrams will also rush to Syria to build a caliphate.

First, it is not at all clear to what extent the "terrorists" of Iraq are. And to what extent the current Iraqi army is truly Iraqi. In the sense of popular love and support. My opinion is that since the time of Hussein there has been a guerrilla war. There is also an army in Ukraine. And also with the support of the United States. And there are also "separatist terrorists". See no analogies?
So what else to see, trophy tanks fall into bad or good hands.
Secondly. Suppose that the tanks nevertheless fell into the hands of thugs who were thrown to the head. Did they suddenly learn how to repair, supply ammunition, masterfully drive and use the Abrams, both as part of bandit formations (official term) and as part of tank formations of any size they could get?
Well, they drove to Syria, if they can still fix it. So what? Syria has all the necessary means of defeating such a chariot. And there are elementary concepts of how to fight against it.

[vladim.gorbunow]

There is an opinion that the basis of the rebels is the skirts of the Baath-Pasv party, commanders, officers of the army of S. Hussein.

[donavi49]

The basis of the rebels ISI (Islamic State of Iraq) - which are the most successful resistance group against the Americans during the occupation. And then they actively knocked out the top of Iraq by secret methods. For example, judging by the early video, from Syria to Syria, they dressed in ISOF, rode trophy cars at Officers' addresses, broke in and pulled them out of bed, and then drove them to a wasteland and soaked them. So many officers failed, even before an active uprising.

Then they successfully grabbed Raqqa and a piece of Syria, pointing the Sharia there and renamed to ISIL (Iraq and Levant or as a synonym for the now popular Shama - that is, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine).

Yes, there are warriors there, but the core has gone through more battles with the Americans.

[Anuarkz]

There are not many articles on the top that deal with the causes of the conflict in Iraq, but among the notorious terrorists, in addition to Islamist radicals, quite a few former officers who served under Hussein and after the dissolution of the Ba'ath Party and the army in 2003, by order of the head of the Iraqi occupation administration, Paul Bremer, found themselves on the street.
http://www.yaplakal.com/forum3/topic837571.html
the link is a pretty good article in three parts; the first part is already on topvar; the rest will probably still appear, but you can read it a little earlier.

[ssergn]

Moreover, Syria has had tank battles since the wars with Israel.

[Neksel]

Quote: ssergn

Moreover, Syria has had tank battles since the wars with Israel.

What experience is there? affairs of bygone days, the tradition of antiquity deep.
in the last century, on tanks of pre-previous generations, and finally not the most successful experience.

[Dart_Veyder]

Such a comparison of the separatists makes it worse than Kiev imagines them!

[Revolver]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Current is a problem, now these Abrams will also rush to Syria, to build a caliphate

Arabs are Arabs. In their hands is equipment, at least Soviet, at least American - a piece of iron. If they can still handle RPGs in some way - science is not great, then tanks are already above their ceiling. The Americans in these M1A1 Saddam T-72s snapped like nuts. Send Russian crews there on the same T-72, and they click on these M1A1s under the control of the Arabs.
And in Syria it would be interesting to see how the M1A1 against the T-72 will show themselves. Arabs on both sides, so that in this respect the forces are as if balanced. The Syrians are perhaps slightly preferable - after all, several years of real combat experience; even a bear, if beaten for a long time, learns to ride a bicycle.

[Vitynar]

Yes, it will be interesting to see the actions of the Abrams in Syria. How long will they live?

[starshina wmf]

The Syrians are not Arabs; they are closer with the Iranians.

[fzr1000]

Iraq does not have the latest modification of Abrams. So the conclusions about his vulnerability are hasty.

[Vitynar]

But now you can really make sure that Abrams is a poop! :)

[Vyalik]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sell ​​tanks, get loot for them

And I had a question: Is there at least one army in the world that the Americans prepared that would be a normal army? Maybe I missed something, but in my opinion everything that the Americans are preparing, in the end, the army for parades and the fight against peace population? although the parades they have are d --- mo. Toli is our parades.

[Revolver]

Quote: Wyalik

although the parades they have are d --- mo. Toli is our parades.

Yes, the parades here are more and more with the prefix "gay".

[armageddon]

Hmm ... WHAT they fought for ... ON THAT and RANGE ... !!!

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Scandinavian

It turns out to burn well ...

Incidentally, the losses of the "Abrams" in the first Iraqi war are still not declassified! But the losses are small, there is no need to secret this information !!!!

[0255]

Quote: serega.fedotov

Quote: Scandinavian

It turns out to burn well ...

Incidentally, the losses of the "Abrams" in the first Iraqi war are still not declassified! But the losses are small, there is no need to secret this information !!!!

Officially, Americans lost 5-7 abrams in 1991, and as always for non-combat reasons. Although some American tankers admitted that the Abrams were knocked out of the T-72

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: 0255

Officially, Americans lost 5-7 abrams in 1991, and as always for non-combat reasons. Although some American tankers admitted that the Abrams were knocked out of the T-72

Journalists on the territory of Kuwait counted at least 20 damaged "Abrams"! True, they quickly "forgot" about it

[volot-voin]

Quote: Scandinavian

It turns out to be a good burn ..

not bad at all. Next time they will buy T-90s, both cheaper and more reliable.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: volot-voin

Next time they will buy T-90s, both cheaper and more reliable.

They won’t be, the Caliphate will be there soon. I wonder how the Islamists still have not squeezed Baghdad from these suckers.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

They won’t be, the Caliphate will be there soon. I wonder how the Islamists still have not squeezed Baghdad from these suckers.

It seems unnecessary, there is no oil!

[nixto]

an interesting coincidence, when NATO began to pull itself up to the borders of Russia in Dill, so immediately the aggravation in Iraq ... there is reason to think

[zeleznijdorojnik]

Oil will rise in price, the ruble will strengthen, then we’ll master the rearmament program, otherwise we’ll cut off gas revenues and we will be more independent from gas contracts with Europe.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Scandinavian

It turns out to burn well ...

Well, the fact that they are destroyed by grenades through open hatches is a matter for tankers, not tanks.
The article is big and nothing. The headline is "Abrams are burning", tell us from what they knocked out, from what distance (suddenly it will come in handy). No specifics. The topic is not disclosed.

[abrakadabre]

You can watch endlessly at the fire ...
To the burning Abrams - too ... The sight pacifies

[Joys]

I would even say that they burn enchantingly

[Horde]

Abrams burn, no matter what they burn ...

[Ujin61]

There are no invulnerable tanks. Abrams and merkavas are burned, etc.

[Ujin61]

There are no invulnerable tanks.

[Ujin61]

There are no invulnerable tanks.

[divangeneral]

give the captured Abrams to the armored forces of New Russia!

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Scandinavian

It turns out to burn well ...

I would like to see a direct collision with at least our T-72. In conditions when exploited by "third parties" with their level of training.

[Sirs]

Burn burn bright until it goes out.

[Death to the Nazis]

Abrams are nerds. Trash on the tracks.

[maxxdesign]

and very expensive stuff!

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Death to the Nazis

Abrams are nerds. Trash on the tracks.

The United States ordered a project of a tank "weighing 40-45 tons, no more than 3 meters high, and the width of a railroad gauge!" In my opinion, they were just ashamed to indicate the T90 marking in the terms of reference!

[svp67]

Well, well, it has been proven once again that PEOPLE are at war, and technology only helps them ... Now everyone who "yelled" about the "unsuitability of Soviet-school tanks" received the "brightest" answer ...

[Cruorvult]

Abrams are A1 without trophies and carcasses, and they never had onboard armor, they need to be able to use any technique correctly, and there’s a problem - the lack of land mines, bullet with tungsten buckshot - not everyone can feed.

[brelok]

Advertising tanks is just super!

[combat66]

The better the iron, the longer it burns.

[Gorjelin]

Burnt Abrams - amazingly beautiful, pleasing to the eye.

[abrakadabre]

Burnt Abrams - amazingly beautiful, pleasing to the eye.

The beauty of a burnt Abrams is only ... burning Abrams

[Mother Theresa]

Tank Abram is a wonderful car. And if the crew just escaped, then a lot of intelligence and courage is not necessary to throw a grenade into the hatch.

[Argyn]

They were still burning in Iraq during the guerrilla war against the United States. During the assault on Faluji, everything was proved. True, the United States has good aviation, experienced aviation, I don’t know about the rest. And ISIS takes a tank without a crew, there are tankers among them. Saddam tried during his lifetime.

[Mother Theresa]

In Grozny, too, they were burning, there is such a problem with the generals they won’t understand that the tank was not created for the city.

[Mother Theresa]

I am probably minus the BIG specialists who have skated many kilometers in the next toys with no idea about real military equipment. The Georgians on the T-72 also showed so-so results from it is worth concluding that the T-72 is also a bad tank, or the whole thing is in the crews.

[Cruorvult]

Each technique has its own strengths and weaknesses. And in the conditions of the city, it’s special what to burn without razintsy, abrams or 72ki.

[GUKTU92]

Absolutely agree! The invulnerability of the tank is due primarily to competent tactical use, and skillful crew! You yourself know what will happen if the monkey is given a grenade (even on the roads of Russia) ) And the "invulnerability" of the Abrams is just a skillful myth. Let them burn, train, that's why they and the Abrams!

[Gorbtk]

And they still did not encounter modern anti-tank weapons ...

[Prussian]

The song will begin again, that the tank is a dead end road of development and it has no prospects.

[Angro Magno]

Interestingly, Iran has already got a couple of samples?

[tundra]

Not, the larger the cabinet, the louder it falls.

[Khalmamed]

..... what can a DULL MONKEY come up with and build? -tank "Abrams".
..... soon they will give out super shields "captain america" ​​under the lend-lease to the Baltic statesmen, from the Russian threat.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Khalmamed

..... what can a DULL MONKEY come up with and build? -tank "Abrams".
..... soon they will give out super shields "captain america" ​​under the lend-lease to the Baltic statesmen, from the Russian threat.

Do you really think that the American army is armed with bows and arrows? And the capabilities of their tanks are limited by fighting tribes armed with spears. Both their and our tanks are on fire. People are fighting, not iron.
PS Once I read that it seems that the Englishman made fun of the RPG, that it was a "shabby, half-rusty pipe."

Quote: Khalmamed

Dumb MONKEY?

M-da-a. I put you a minus.

[edeligor]

Wait for the reaction of the amers, like they say the fighters themselves blew up our best tanks, as before they couldn’t succeed from their fire. Liars and Ukrainians taught the same

[donavi49]

Yes, they throw a lot of things themselves, that's true. Here's an example of a battle for the strategically important Baakuba area. Last stop in front of Baghdad.

[Hanavaro]

It is very important who is inside the tank. And why "open hatches" ??? Conde not working after repairs in the US Army?

[Vitynar]

The tanks were abandoned. ISIS soldier pulled out shells from the ammunition depot, laid it on the cockpit floor, then got out and threw explosives.

[donavi49]

Faith is a good thing, of course, but for example, it refutes the fact that the tank is abandoned.

First, the broads climbs onto the tank and puts something on the hatch, an explosion + an involuntary / arbitrary shot (a shell is visible). Then the tank turned the tower and then grenades flew into it because of the fence.

http://savepic.net/5804073.htm

Yes, and why undermine the tanks? ISIS does not chase the picture. Here is the abandoned equipment - they put all of it on course, with the exception of the damaged Motolyg.

[Fenia04]

But they know how to do advertising. In which their technique is the most perfect and invincible. Only often it’s a lie, and so blatant a lie that it’s sickening.

[Iero]

A good tank needs: a good crew, good cover and a good general command. Without this, any tank is a target.

[abrakadabre]

Forgot about good supply

[mackonya]

Yes, everyone has long known there are no inconsequential tanks, you just need to skillfully hide the shortcomings of any tank in battle and skillfully reveal all the advantages of a tank.

[VNP1958PVN]

That they have not fought with the T90!

[driver]

The abrams has a good GERMAN gun and good ENGLISH armor. The rest is complete. But comfortable ...

[ed65b]

As our general used to say after the war in Egypt, "the tank is not bad, but the tanker does not know how to fight."

[Plamya77]

It is not tanks that are fighting, people are fighting. Everything is decided by the skill of the crews and their morale. And the "batushki" from the T-26 were tore by the German "fours", and the "twos" with the "threes" were beaten by the T-34 and KV, and in general there are countless examples.

[Argyn]

Yeah. Especially the Tigers who hit at a distance of 1km tank than not Abrams during WWII. The courage of the T34 crew that imposed a close battle on the Tigers, smashing them scarecrows of the Nazis was not a joke, from the roar of the T34 engines the Nazis already had full pants. A tank is metal, its crew makes a good weapon.

[Vitynar]

In the pictures that the author cited, where the Abrams are burning, in both cases they were burned, throwing grenades inside. In general, with proper operation, when, according to the instructions of Tank Gunnery, the armored curtains are closed, the tank should not burn like that.

I suppose that the tanks were abandoned, the hatches were open, those who detonated the tanks from the outside first climbed, then opened the armored curtains, pulled out shells and laid them on the cab floor. And, getting out, threw explosives inside.

Only in such cases can we observe what we see in the pictures.

[flyspear]

Yes-ah, tanks, tanks
and very soon with the development of exoskeletons - every infantryman will turn into a small armored target, with a power comparable to the current tank.

And the tanks of the future are combat platforms, where human participation will be an option :))

[Khalmamed]

Quote: Hanavaro

It is very important who is inside the tank. And why "open hatches" ??? Conde not working after repairs in the US Army?

..... all the Arabs "children of the desert" do not live in holes, but here the iron "shaitan arba" in one word is gin.
..... the hatch is the flowers, this is half the trouble .., Ours are T-72s with automatic loaders, the Amerdos’s Abramsat-Negroes are loading, and who is charging the Iraqis?

[zeleznijdorojnik]

Sunni loader, Shiites-the rest of the crew. If they had an automatic loader, our half of the unfortunate Iraqi tankmen would have lost their hands and heads.

[X Y Z]

Maybe Abrams is a completely modern and reliable tank, but American attempts to give their weapons some kind of sacred and supernatural properties are simply amusing. Advertising goes in a wide stream, they start to the most ridiculous stretch and exaggeration and clearly do not know the measure. An example is the Discovery Channel. One gets the impression that it bears the seal of higher powers, and not the stigma of "big drank", which undoubtedly affects its quality and characteristics.

[Afinogen]

Quote: XYZ

Maybe Abrams is a completely modern and reliable tank, but American attempts to give their weapons some sacred and supernatural properties will simply mix up.

Abrams are reliable only in commercials, that they can advertise what, but in battle they burn for all the sadness

[Prodigal]

Nice to see the ovsk scrap!

[mgfly]

Quote: CruorVult

And in the conditions of the city, it’s special what to burn without razintsy, abrams or 72ki.

I don’t remember the details, but I remember exactly the fact: in Chechnya (although I can be mistaken about the conflict point, the T-72 was either ambushed, or it simply broke away from the motorized infantry - the mechanical driver maneuvering to save the MTO came back from the combat zone . the tank received something about 30 RPG-7 grenades and stayed on track (though the confirmation found only a dozen hits in the link below, therefore there are no proofs, sorry ).
Here's more about the war in Chechnya of our tanks, read the Interenzo http://topwar.ru/5719-o-tanke-rossiyskom-zamolvite-slovo-t-72.html

[Cruorvult]

Yes, I read something like, I must be able to use any technique. RPG is not a measure at all, since there are old grenades with 200mm penetration, there are modern tandem grenades with 800mm, there are temarbaric, you can put 30 in your forehead and not pierce, you can burn 1nu in MTO.

[zeleznijdorojnik]

I think it was about eighty

[Dezinto]

People are very sorry. Amer’s earplugs send them there. In which there is nothing but money. And the Iraqi kids are sorry. In general, this is all a fictional war! Soon they will also be transported with Ukraine ... and catch up with Crimea! This usa war machine terrorizes the world. Fact.!

Already everyone understands who is the main aggressor on the planet.!

[0255]

Interestingly, did the Iraqis have T-72s? Or Iraq removed them from service at the request of the most democratic country in the world?

[donavi49]

T-55 upgraded - 2 regiment captured by ISIS and already used in the offensive.

T-72 modernized - also included in the 2 regiments + reserve.

Abrams - 9 TD 140 tanks.

[Dezinto]

They have a stump of t 72 ... and the fact that the most democratic country in the world does not allow them to be used is also clear ... otherwise the plantations will be crushed ...

[Pesnyadv]

My friend fought a tankman.
He fought on amer tanks.
The most striking thing was the comfort inside the tank.
BUT burned 7 (seven) times.
Remained alive, but all in terrible scars.

At first, it struck me that such fire-hazardous tanks the Americans drove us for gold.
But he took a surprise and was struck by another !!!
A simple Russian man voluntarily climbed into the LIGHTER to protect his MOTHERLAND.
Seven times afraid but climbed.
And no neurasthenia, nerves ...
This courage struck me.
Here and take an example from this.
Here are such examples and tell young people, and not about Ksenia and Moses Borey ...

PS
He spoke casually. Without pathos and big words.
As in the general store for vodka escaped ...

[Vitynar]

>> BUT burned 7 (seven) times.

Can you provide a photo? A friend. Because I do not believe that it burned 7 times.

[enot73]

In general, the Abrams are well protected only in the front and only due to a blunt increase in the thickness of the armor. The board is even penetrated, not only by an RPG, but also by a cannon - a "thirty" BMP - 2. In the American - Iraqi wars, the aviation did all the work to combat Iraqi armored vehicles.

[Vitynar]

http://u-96.livejournal.com/1668794.html

[gozmosZh]

"Syria, Kurds and Iraqi army attack ISIS terrorists

In Iraq, several forces are trying to resist in different areas the militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, who have seized the cities of Mosul and Tikrit. On Sunday, it is reported that the Iraqi army is preparing to attack these areas. It is also reported that Kurdish formations established control over the checkpoint on the border with Syria, and Syrian troops liberated the city of Kasab on the border with Turkey, which was under the control of extremists for almost two months.

ITAR-TASS, with reference to the Al-Arabiya TV channel, reports that the Kurdish paramilitary formations of the Peshmerga today established control over the border crossing in western Iraq, near Syria. According to the TV channel, at the same time, government forces launched a counteroffensive against ISIS militants in the area of ​​the cities of Mosul and Tikrit. It is reported that the aviation is inflicting intense strikes on the positions of the extremists. An air force has landed in the Baiji region, where the country's largest oil refinery is located. "

here is one big problem how it unites. and Sunnis, and Shiites, and Kurds with Zoroastrianism.
the Kurds in general have a huge experience in guerrilla warfare. Amerikosy dragons woke up.

Kurdish fighters.

[RUSS]

Moreover, in some cases, the militants managed to disable the M1A1M, throwing grenades into the open hatches of tanks

How did it happen? What kind of warriors?

[Vitynar]

The tanks were abandoned.

[donavi49]

This is what ISIS does with abandoned tanks.

That is, if there was an opportunity, they would seize it.

[Vitynar]

I saw a video of how a well-functioning T-72 tank was burned in Syria, rolling a grenade into the gun’s barrel.

So, I conclude, when there is an opportunity - trophies, when not - destroy.

[Sochi]

ANY tanks burn and will burn, only an iron cube the size of a tank can be non-combustible ... (and then, I think, there can be craftsmen to burn and such) And Abrams fought only against the technology of the middle of the last century, and he was knocked out.

[b.sh.d.13]

Of course they burn, all tanks burn, the main thing is to know where to beat or throw incendiary mixtures. In general, American tanks did not participate in direct clashes since the Korean War. They always always have everything burned by aviation and missile attacks, and then tanks go and then at a certain distance (at a distance of a shot), they don’t go any further. And in principle, abrams can be felled from old Soviet RPGs.

[GRAY]

What I see! In the penultimate photo, breaking into the frontal projection of the tower. Right balm for the soul.

[Vitynar]

Only inlet! Most likely, the jet was scattered inside.

[Vtel]

Shaw once again proves that it is not iron that wins, but the warrior spirit.

[wanderer_032]

Tanks burn any.
There are generally no vulnerable machines among them.
Tanks were not originally intended for battles in US points.
These "Abrams" were also not prepared for battles in the conditions of the village.
Plus, illiterate tactics of their use are visible, for sure they were used without infantry support.
In short, the Iraqi regular army is poorly trained and is not capable of resisting the forces of religious fanatics.

[Pollang]

Do not fall into euphoria, a lot depends on the tactics used in the conduct of combat and on the combat training of the crew. The Iraqi tankman fought for a long time on our models of equipment and most likely the lack of combat training.

[kelevra]

On the one hand, this is how American technology and American prestige are necessary. On the other hand, if the Islamists get out of control, all other countries where there is even a small percentage of Muslims will suffer!

[hoard]

"The main thing in the tank is the crew" (c)

[Leshka]

Inters many have already destroyed

[tomket]

but the question is, what will happen to the contracts for Mi-28? Will they leave us? or resell ???

[Kyrgyz]

Do Arabs have something other than AK and RPG?

[Friday]

I don’t like the look of wrecked abrams, Americans must believe that they are invincible (

[Dmitry Zurn]

Pleasant. however, the sight is burning Abrams. It's better. only a burning aircraft carrier