We will give Novorossia to be torn apart today - we will lose all of Russia tomorrow

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We will give Novorossia to be torn apart today - we will lose all of Russia tomorrow


I fully support and fully agree with everything that I.I. Shooters in the message to correspondents "KP" from 16.6.14. If the Russian Federation does not intervene immediately, then the so-called "Ukrainian authorities" will simply kill most of the population of the DNR and the LC.

By blocking the entire Donbass and Luhansk region with the troops, the Kiev gang could use the weapons of mass destruction to destroy the people in this territory, all indiscriminately, and her hand would not tremble. How many more victims are needed for our authorities to come to their senses?

Or when the Russian embassy is being smashed, the consulate is being attacked, in the border regions of the Russian Federation shells exploded by order of anti-Russian pro-American “sixes” are torn, is that, in your opinion, in the order of things?

V.V. Putin, the Federation Council has given you a complete carte blanche for the use of military force in the event of aggression against Russian citizens living in the territory of Rep. New Russia, which was formed as a result of a legally conducted referendum. Or those words that were spoken all the time during the Crimean events that “they don’t give up and don’t give up their Russians in the war” - these are just empty words that were said at a convenient moment? Or in the Resp. New Russia living Russian something different from the Russian, who live in the Crimea or who live in the territory of the Russian Federation? As I recall, we are all of the same root. Are they not Russian enough and have no rights to the protection of Russia?

How long will Russia and the Russian people endure spitting, slaps and bullying from a handful of Bandera bastards paid for by the West, who do not disdain to kill innocent people? Russian people.

Why then were all those big words about patriotism and so on. Things that we hear every single day in the media and which we hammer into our children at school?

Or is it all just cheap tinsel, in fact, not supported by anything? Really you can calmly look at all this, understanding what the delay or non-interference of Russia in the events taking place in now in the Donbas and Luhansk region can turn out for millions of Russian people?

I understand you as the head of the country, I understand that you have a huge responsibility primarily for the Russian Federation. But by its inaction, Russia unleashes the hands of the Bandera executioners, who have already gone mad from innocently shed blood and robberies.

As the President of the Russian Federation, I ask you to take the necessary measures before it is too late. We will give Novorossia to be torn apart today - we will lose all of Russia tomorrow.
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  1. portoc65
    +52
    17 June 2014 09: 47
    Novorossiya-Bretskaya fortress of the entire Russian world. It will hold on to the spirit and courage of the Russian man, but will fall with the last defenders of hordes of punishers if all of Russia does not rise against Ukrainian fascism.
    1. Blot
      +4
      17 June 2014 09: 56
      And we will watch ...
      1. +31
        17 June 2014 10: 12
        Watch it! Only if you think that you are not interested in war does not mean that war will not be of interest to you!
        1. +22
          17 June 2014 13: 01
          Quote: VNP1958PVN
          Look out!

          I wrote comments for another article, but it was removed from the discussion. Here it will be no less relevant.
          Quote: Veles75
          I remain a supporter of this idea - you can not enter!

          Delaying the conflict only strengthens us.

          Author Nikolay Starikov
          That is, we do not avoid conflict, but only delay?
          And why did we decide that pulling us up strengthens us because we want to think so?
          But I don’t agree. We really have enough here, and not couch-military people. I am also one of them.
          And I know that for maneuver groups, with the support of armored vehicles, after art and air training,
          it will not be a big problem to cut the territory of resistance into several foci and strangle.
          Dill do not know this? Some schools finished. They can’t do it? Why? Strengths are not enough? Come on!
          In my opinion, everything is more than obvious. Under the guise of the ATO, the junta will preserve the equipment, at the very least train l / s,
          reveals from its midst more or less normal commanders of all levels, finishes the remnants of the mind of the population .....
          in order to finally end Novorossia? Not too much? They have long enough forces and means for this,
          and the fifth columns are ready! Their task now is to create at least the appearance of a more or less normal army and throw it in the Crimea!
          And even not necessarily AFTER the defeat of New Russia. They are not afraid for the rear!
          As soon as they enter into a clash in the Crimea, they will immediately yell: "Nata help!"
          We kind of came to OUR territory to spend the sowing season, and mulberries ....! "
          And here I ask you again, why did you decide that time works for us?
          I am against the introduction of troops, at least for now, but NOT the obstruction of sending volunteers (now they are hindering, there is such data!)
          and supplying EVERYTHING starting from money, ending with high-precision weapons. Up to the point that you would NOT have to teach volunteers to get out of MANPADS
          a couple of hundreds released simultaneously will find their goal. They should have EVERYTHING! Why and why?
          Our task now is to frighten dill so that they understand that they will NOT be able to win by definition,
          at the same time without introducing OFFICIAL troops. That would not have anyone to throw the Americans at us NOW!
          And then it’s easy to rearm in peace with our brothers from the DPR, LPR. Only now can we keep us on the verge of 3rd MV
      2. +13
        17 June 2014 10: 15
        Look, you, following the plan of the State Department after the outskirts, and then we.
        1. +4
          17 June 2014 13: 45
          If Kolomoisky and Poroshenko in friends Victoria Nuland go.
          Victoria's grandfather - Meyer Nudelman, from a family of Jewish immigrants who left for America at the beginning of the XNUMXth century from Bessarabia

          I think that Bessarabia does not need to be told? http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD%F3%EB%E0%ED%E4,_%C2%E8%EA%F2%EE%F0%E8%FF
          Who are our oligarchs friends and relatives in the State Department.?
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      3. portoc65
        0
        17 June 2014 11: 34
        We are also fighting, on the information front and space
        Quote: Blot
        And we will watch ...
      4. nixto
        +1
        17 June 2014 13: 20
        I support. that miners are not visible and not heard
      5. 0
        17 June 2014 22: 43
        Quote: Blot
        And we will watch ...

        Do you seriously think that everything will pass you by?
        Oh well!!!
    2. +1
      17 June 2014 09: 57
      Quote: portoc65
      Novorossiya-Bretskaya fortress of the entire Russian world. It will hold on to the spirit and courage of the Russian man, but will fall with the last defenders of hordes of punishers if all of Russia does not rise against Ukrainian fascism.

      It won’t fall, and Russia already helps. The old-fashioned methods of warfare are not acceptable here, you are fighting in a new and very insidious enemy.
      1. GDP
        +35
        17 June 2014 10: 13
        1. The one who only defends himself loses, this not only concerns New Russia, but also Russia.
        2. Anyone who does not have a reliable supply or a sufficient amount of resources - he loses, Novorossia has neither one nor the other ...
        3. In negotiations, the one who wins dictates the conditions. Who wins in the south-east of Ukraine? The militia or the junta?

        Our strategic goal, in addition to diplomatic, economic and information pressure, is to ensure the superiority of the militia on all three points only then the junta will sit at the negotiating table and not earlier ...

        therefore, it is necessary to create reliable supply channels, help the militia with armament, transport and communications, move the troops to the border in order to force them to draw part of the troops towards us, even if we are not going to use them, but this will hinder the capabilities of some of the junta’s troops ...

        we will certainly be accused of supporting the militia and provocation and will be right, but we are already blamed for this. We are making the junta's concession, no results are visible, it's time to draw conclusions ...
        1. +14
          17 June 2014 10: 36
          Sun Tzu:

          "War is a way of deception. Therefore, if you can do anything, show the enemy that you cannot; if you use something, show him that you are not using it; even though you are close, show it, as if you are far away; even though you were far away, show that you are close; lure him with profit; make him upset and take him; if he has everything, be ready; if he is strong, dodge him; arouse anger in him , bring him into a state of frustration; assuming a humble appearance, evoke conceit in him; if his strength is fresh, tire him out; if he is friendly, separate; attack him when he is not ready; come out when he does not expect. "
          1. +13
            17 June 2014 12: 36
            The main thing is that the result of our supposed strategy of self-deception does not turn around.
            All our fabrications and the fact that "Putin has a plan" are very similar to auto-training sessions.
            And most importantly, in case of failure, we will find an explanation for this. We’ll find it ourselves or the media will gently tell you - it doesn’t matter, we will believe the main thing.
        2. +20
          17 June 2014 11: 07
          Quote: GDP
          1. The one who only defends himself loses, this not only concerns New Russia, but also Russia.
          2. Anyone who does not have a reliable supply or a sufficient amount of resources - he loses, Novorossia has neither one nor the other ...
          3. In negotiations, the one who wins dictates the conditions. Who wins in the south-east of Ukraine? The militia or the junta?

          Glazyev (not literally) -
          in early March, the junta had 6000
          they have already mobilized 50.000, there is aviation, heavy weapons, and they use it.
          by fall there will be - 100.000 and more and more planes and tanks will be removed from the reserve and put into battle! With them they will trample New Russia into the land ...
          By winter-spring there will be 500.000, and with them they will already go to the Crimea!

          Come to your senses, Russian people are killing ours in Donetsk and Lugansk. Expelled from the lands on which our ancestors lived for centuries!

          Russia needs a hero who says - they attacked us, followed me to New Russia!
          Who will say that? Who will lead? Who will be the new Pozharsky ?!
          1. -7
            17 June 2014 12: 41
            Russia needs a hero who says - they attacked us, followed me to New Russia!
            Who will say that? Who will lead? Who will be the new Pozharsky ?!


            Can you take on this noble mission?
            1. +8
              17 June 2014 13: 07
              Quote: DMB87
              Can you take on this noble mission?

              ... alas, as they say, his face did not come out ...
              If years 20 to throw off at least ... or would fit in a physical form ...
              And so ... only an obstacle to the remote and grip ... if only to cover the departing detachment ... or to take the first blow and close the comrades with the body ...
              Thank God that there is nothing and no one is holding ...
              So my place is there ...
              1. -3
                17 June 2014 15: 53
                Apparently also enthusiasts who are minded by age and age, who have not come out, but fieryly invoke and angrily denounce. So far, such [censorship] - 7. Pozirim what will happen next.
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          3. nixto
            -1
            17 June 2014 13: 29
            go to Slavyansk and we will support you here
      2. +12
        17 June 2014 10: 47
        And how does Russia help? All weapons from the militias - this is what they captured from dill
        1. portoc65
          -4
          17 June 2014 11: 32
          yeah, and considering the latest PZRK-9K333 Willow which only in May began to be delivered to the troops of Russia .. The militia also has this machine ..
          1. GDP
            +9
            17 June 2014 12: 08
            In my opinion, it is only in the imagination of Ukrainian generals ... Where are the facts?
            I doubt that Russia would supply weapons that would betray it with such a head as a MANPADS ...
          2. +2
            17 June 2014 13: 00
            Did they tell you personally?
          3. Svyatopolk
            +1
            18 June 2014 02: 01
            Yes, where is there? And if so, how much? If the militia had plenty of modern MANPADS, then horseradish would dill aircraft flew. They would only shoot down like that. And with regard to ATGMs, too, is it really impossible to help with modern means of combating armored personnel carriers and tanks? With a sufficient number of them from the militias, they would have burned all the heavy equipment from dill. Why not give the militias mortars, machine guns? I think, if you equip the militias, give them instructors, money, provisions, then what the hell would they have knocked out dill. And the fact that Ukrainians, Americans and geyropets will howl, so they are still howling. Do not pay attention, but blame them for everything, even that which they did not do and scream to the whole world what scoundrels dill, Americans and gayrope. Set people on amers, they have enough enemies, let them get bogged down in warfare with them. Enough for us to be muscular young ladies! If you want to defeat the enemy - become insidious yourself, beat him with the same thing as he does for you. Become damn worse than your enemy! IMHO!
        2. Further
          +1
          17 June 2014 13: 33
          Especially MANPADS ...
    3. -10
      17 June 2014 10: 03
      If we want to save Russia from the Maidan, then we must not fight with Ukraine !!!


      It is necessary to restore order in your country. Keep an eye on dissenters. And tougher with provocateurs! Now more than ever we need the Stalin regime! Otherwise, this infection will affect our society!

      But if we stick around there with the support of the militia, then the consequences can be unpredictable. And perhaps this will bring the worst assumptions of the author.

      Think about it ...!
      1. +14
        17 June 2014 10: 34
        Stop scaring Maidan, dissenters and the regime of Stalin. Do not strain your head, for this case, the people put together the saying: "...... richer with thought."
        Now, it is time to act, and this is expected from Putin.
        1. +2
          17 June 2014 10: 44
          this is what they expect from Putin


          I have no doubt! Only this is expected not only by militias (they can be understood), but, strangely enough, dill. So you can assume the development of events after the introduction of our troops? I doubt it ...

          And Maidan is already repeated in Poland: http://www.iarex.ru/articles/48563.html and no one is sure that this will not happen in Moscow. It may not be on such a scale as in Ukraine, but it will be an alarming bell ...
          1. +5
            17 June 2014 10: 48
            Quote: lexxxus
            And Maidan is already repeating: http://www.iarex.ru/articles/48563.html and no one is sure that this will not happen in Moscow.

            Yeah, a month ago they had something like a folk chamber in Moscow. 200 correspondents and 200 cops came, smoked, chatted and grew.
      2. +10
        17 June 2014 11: 00
        Lexxxus - Dear, but you can’t do all this at the same time, the police and internal structures are engaged in the country and humanitarian, flight and military from the outside. Well, don’t forget that the war is not against Novorossia, it is against Russia, and the farther silent the more humiliation and dirt will fall on Russia’s head, if Novorossia falls, the next will be Crimea and not where it will not go, the Ukrainians are now in power and Americans, their entire flight, intelligence and military structure. If Russia does not show its character, then firstly Puten will lose the support of the population of his country, secondly, riots will begin within the country itself, the Americans will do everything for this, they will not spare money for this, as in dill. Any sanctions will apply, whether Russia will send troops or not, the longer the drag, the more blackmail and impudence, the more innocently killed, the destroyed cities and the ifstructure, the UN and the OSCE subordinate to the Americans, the whole world crap system has collapsed, the world must be rebuilt anew. Neo-fascists will stop at nothing, soon chemical and beological weapons will be used near the Russian border, and if this brown plague is not stopped, it will spread throughout the world, history repeats itself with a certain periodicity in the spiral of history and the development of mankind.
        1. +1
          17 June 2014 13: 06
          Quote: SHEKSPIR
          next will be Crimea

          But everyone is so worried about Crimea - Crimea will no longer be part of Ukraine.
          Is it really invisible that Crimea has completely different conditions from a dig to our troops there and who will climb there.
          Enough already to raise the topic of Crimea.
          1. +3
            17 June 2014 15: 13
            America and NATO need Crimea, and they will do everything to start a war in the South, because no one has recognized Crimea from EU countries, etc. and this unties America’s hands, they will push the Nazis to this, they already promised, and the next thing will be sanctions for Crimea again, no matter how you like, they will not be afraid of your guns and tanks, militants and mercenaries they have a million from Syria, Iraq from African countries, and they don’t spare money for it, it’s European money, and it’s been welded from other countries, so war cannot be avoided anymore, and I don’t scare you, this is the plan.
            1. 0
              17 June 2014 16: 39
              Quote: SHEKSPIR
              America and NATO need Crimea
              and I don’t scare you, this is a plan

              But I don’t care what America and NATO need the Crimea - it is ours and everything, we need it, and the rest, go through the forest. They need Syria too, but the little teeth have broken.
              Comrade Shakespeare I beg you not to write fairy tales in my works.
              Crimea is a peninsula surrounded by water and only through a dig can there be terrible dill and militants for you. What the states reassure themselves of is that they can’t reach them on the ground from Europe by tank.
              We had Chechnya and still survived, and Crimea the overwhelming population of Russians and our troops are official and polite.
              They have already applied sanctions and no one will give Crimea even because of its strategic position for us, and if someone put an eye on Crimea, then we will put a penny on this eye. Yes, they will rage and murmur - well, that’s their business, but as you think, they won’t really get any resistance to unleash wherever we go everywhere we have ours.
              In short, calm down, digging at the castle, and the militants will not pass along the bottom of the sea (if you do not believe it, go to Sicily or Cyprus).
              1. Svyatopolk
                0
                18 June 2014 02: 31
                So why are the Americans, then the Western Europeans launching their ships in the Black Sea? And when Bendero-fascists trample on the Crimea, then the 6th fleet of Amer can arrive there in order to help dill from the sea. After all, the Amers of Crimea would like to us.rachki. After all, they had a bummer with the Crimea, they could not get their naval base there. Therefore, they hysteria to the whole world, let's apply sanctions to us.
                Here is the isthmus and inaccessible Crimea. My friend forgot about the sea. Americans will tie our fleet and other troops in Crimea hand and foot, and Bender will rush to Crimea from land. The number of troops will increase by then. There will be much more than ours in Crimea. Yes, plus the 6th Amer fleet.
                1. 0
                  18 June 2014 09: 39
                  Quote: Svyatopolk
                  My friend forgot about the sea. Americans will tie our fleet and other troops in Crimea hand and foot, and Bender will rush to Crimea from land.

                  Well, my guys. What do you think that from the navy of the states the Bender troops will be landed in the Crimea. Yes, they’ll only enter the territorial waters, they will already be warned of violating the borders and again the howling will be like the SU-24 flew over and the electronics malfunctioned and so on. The USA will not go directly to our borders. And the isthmus is a small strip of land that can be shot at 20-50 kilometers and destroy everything that is close and there are no need to keep too large troops there.
        2. Svyatopolk
          0
          18 June 2014 02: 20
          One cannot but agree!
      3. +10
        17 June 2014 11: 07
        Quote: lexxxus
        But if we stick around there with the support of the militia, then the consequences can be unpredictable

        What consequences? What are you talking about. We have not poked up yet, the consequences are already a lot. Sanctions from all sides. It will not be worse. I fully agree with the GDP. Troops to the border must be adjusted. We have already been punished for this. Strengthen the supply of existing corridors. To freeze cooperation with space in Amer and Afghanistan (let them go through Pakistan) To be offended in general and begin to put pressure on those levers that we still have.
        1. +11
          17 June 2014 12: 42
          1. The soul is torn and overwhelmed with rage reading reports from New Russia. Inside, just a riot requiring retaliation. But maybe that’s why I’m not the Commander-in-Chief, and not even divan troops. That I’m not ready to put up with the loss of hundreds in order to save the life of a million.

          2. I think that I’m not alone in the hope that I have a hope in me, in fact, faith that Putin has a plan. And this plan is already being implemented.

          3. and further, complete patriotism .. we are great, winners blah blah blah. The Red Army is all stronger !!!

          BUT!!! "Putin's cunning plan" and "just retribution" can exist separately from each other. I am convinced of this. And the modern world is an example of this - Israel.

          1. What prevents us from declaring a no-fly zone of at least 50 km to our borders, as Turkey did (10 km in Syria)?
          2. What prevents retaliation against certain war criminals?
          3. What prevents to deliver point strikes on the same Mount Karachun? Indeed, for this it is not necessary to send troops to Ukraine.
          4. Why it is impossible to force the Western media to publish materials on the killings of civilians, under the threat of deprivation of accreditation throughout the Russian Federation.
          5. Why shouldn't all international organizations - institutions be spammed with lawsuits for refusal by the so-called "some partners" to condemn crimes? Either let them admit the absurdity of their existence, or let them work out their membership fees.

          Troops cannot be brought into Ukraine :( 20 million people cannot be bloodied.
          BUT! "Noble fury boils like a wave" and demands retribution !!!
          1. +13
            17 June 2014 13: 10
            one of the episodes when our special services had "steel balls".

            On September 30, 1985, almost simultaneously, four employees of the USSR Embassy were captured in Beirut.
            ...

            ...
            (all diplomatic methods have been tried // I)
            ...
            But first, the "specialists" who arrived, with the assistance of the Security Service of the friendly PSP (Progressive Socialist Party), captured two relatives of I. Mua'nia's closest aides. A few days later, the body of one of them with a slit throat and his own genitals in his mouth was found at the entrance to his house. With the killed there was a note with a warning, according to which the second relative would suffer the same fate if the Soviet hostages were not immediately released. At the same time, the PSP militants liquidated the brother of I. Mua'niya's deputy, H. Salame. As a result of massive psychological pressure on the leadership of the MDI a month after the seizure, Soviet diplomats were at large.

            On the evening of October 30, 1985, a border guard on duty at the main entrance to the USSR Embassy in Beirut peered at television screens reflecting approaches to the Soviet diplomatic mission. Three bearded strangers persistently rang the doorbell. They were not recognized immediately - the former hostages of Valery Myrikov, Nikolai Svirsky and Oleg Spirin. The day before they were brought blindfolded. The abductors demanded not to remove the bandages until the noise of the departing car was quiet. When the engine rumble subsided, they took wide towels from their eyes and, seeing the embassy in front of them, rushed to it.

            The return of the hostages seemed to be saluted by the whole of Beirut. Such a shot was fired into the air that local television on this occasion was forced to give an explanation that this was not another military operation, but a demonstration of joy in connection with the release of Soviet diplomats.


            this story is described in great detail here http://anti-terror-rf.livejournal.com/42504.html
            1. +4
              17 June 2014 13: 32
              Quote: Muadipus
              one of the episodes when our special services had "steel balls".

              Nothing to add+...
          2. Svyatopolk
            0
            18 June 2014 02: 36
            Oh, as I understand it all, everything is in full swing!
      4. Svyatopolk
        0
        18 June 2014 02: 17
        I only agree that we need to put things in order. Take the oligarchs under vigilant control, demand that they take their families from abroad, why make potential hostages out of them in case of hour of Ch. And let the loot be taken from foreign banks. We are not beggars to send the hell out of all foreign charitable organizations, and they don’t give money for nothing, these are agents of influence. And take on pencil all our disgruntled oppositionists, it is not the time to clatter with the liberals at this dangerous moment for the country, they are the essence of the "fifth column", which can be sold for vile amerovskoy greenery to our worst enemies. And give us our own Maidan. Create military-sports camps for anti-Maidan volunteers. In the case of the Maidan, the children would quickly devote their necks to the "fifth column" and the troops would not have to be brought in.
        But patriotic militias in the south-east of Ukraine must be supported with weapons and money and food and instructors. Otherwise, they can not resist, and there dill move to the Crimea and to Russia. We don’t need this to hell, we need to fight like America with the hands of local militias and in their territory.
    4. +21
      17 June 2014 10: 22
      Dear author of the article, the defense of Novorossiya / the war with the Nazis is already underway. Learn to finally look at the wars taking place in the world now through the prism of our time. Example-Syria, Libya, Crimea. In the first two, the Americans and their satellites participated from the very beginning, and notice that there was no official confirmation of their participation anywhere ... There were special forces groups from Europe, USA, Canada resembling local residents in external phenotype. There were advisers, spotters of the Kyrgyz Republic fire, journalists (propaganda workers) engaged in disinformation. I repeat, NO OFFICIAL FORCES. Russia perfectly adopted this experience as an example, we all saw this - Crimea. I understand that after hundreds of heartbreaking articles about the fact that Russia is sitting out (having the second strongest army in the world, when ethnic Russians are killed a couple of kilometers from the border), they undermine faith in the country and its leadership, but ... Tell me where in Slavyanskgrad and Krematorsk constantly appear MANPADS, ATGM, KP and ammunition for them? And this is despite Strelkov's constant assurances that - "Everything, they say, tomorrow all the ammunition will run out! Russia, help me at last!" A day passes, the second, the third ... And you and I are watching the news in euphoria-Three helicopters, three planes were shot down, four tanks, eight armored personnel carriers were beaten. -Cognitive dissonance does not arise in the heads of each of you? Three days ago, it was all over for Strelkov, and today "Sashko Bilyi again meets a new party of Kokolikov" ... Think with your head comrades officers, the rules of war have changed and there will be NO troops entering the territory of Novorossiya, for one simple reason - they are already there ... wink
      1. +3
        17 June 2014 11: 00
        Quote: ispaniard
        Tell me, where did MANPADS, ATGMs, KP and their ammunition come from in Slavyanskgrad and Krematorsk?

        Lenta.ru reports:
        The self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic announced the mobilization of military specialists. The appeal of the authorities is published on the official website of the LPR.

        "The republic’s army needs officers, warrant officers and sergeants, specialists in missile weapons, air defense, armored vehicles, and heavy artillery," the report said.


        If specialists are needed, then tanks, air defense, and heavy artillery will appear soon.
      2. +8
        17 June 2014 11: 18
        I do not presume to assess the size of the secret assistance, but the facts are stubborn - the Nazis are already standing near Lugansk, I remind you, in the region that has the longest Russian borders. In fact, the border with Russia is on three sides. And the humanitarian corridor for refugees is getting narrower.
        1. 0
          17 June 2014 14: 00
          Why was the storming of Luhansk canceled to the troops of the Junta, although the columns were moving forward from different directions for the assault? Maybe because the second side of the IL-76 (which was shot down) was by no means paratroopers? .. There is reason to believe that almost the entire headquarters (including NATO officers) of the expected assault on Luhansk was killed on the IL-76, (the first side was equipment) , 3 board (which never sat down) - security of the assault headquarters. Piglet suddenly immediately called Putin "On the gas called" yeah ... For fifty unknown paratroopers, "Banderlog" suddenly found the embassy in Kiev, they climbed on it, yeah ... Guys, let's at least sometimes BETWEEN LINE READING huh? ..
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      3. Dario
        +5
        17 June 2014 12: 41
        Think head comrades officers, the rules of the war have changed and there will NOT be a military route to the territory of Novorossia, for one simple reason - They are already there ... wink[/ Quote]
        If they are already there, they miserably lose this war along the way taking with them a huge number of civilians :(.
        I come from the Donetsk region and every day I call my friends and relatives several times, they’re there in the center of the triangle between Donetsk (100km), Lugansk (100km) and Slavyansk (90km). And everyone runs away to where (and west countries and to Russia) because civilians are dying, have everyone really forgotten about them?
        I think-if Russia does not send troops then Novorossia will be lost, and so I think the inhabitants of the same Novorossiya-They know better than us from the computer!
        Well, do not forget that the war is not against Novorossia, it is against Russia, and the farther silent, the more humiliation and dirt on the head of Russia, if New Russia falls, the next will be Crimea and ....
      4. +2
        17 June 2014 13: 15
        Quote: ispaniard
        They are already there.

        But the dill does not know.
        By the way, there are internationalists, as well as on the other hand, but all this is an information war that puffs and infuriates everyone with brains.
        Calm is only calm.
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    6. +9
      17 June 2014 10: 25
      Nikolai Starikov, whose article was posted on the site today is called Properly thrown woodpecker punches three pines and cuts into the fourth, or the Invisible part of the iceberg"said the following:

      Why do Shooters say that? Because it is necessary that Russia was not a party to the conflict. Only then can she effectively use diplomatic channels to put pressure on Kiev. But Kiev itself and the United States behind it climb out of their skin to draw Russia into the war.
      1. +3
        17 June 2014 11: 13
        Quote: Scandinavian
        ... Russia needs to not be a party to the conflict. Only then will she be able to effectively use diplomatic channels to put pressure on Kiev. But Kiev itself and the United States behind it climb out of their skin to draw Russia into the war.

        Sorry, but not convincing. There is no effective use of diplomatic channels, Kiev wanted to sneeze at our virtual pressure. Just don’t start an old song about how “it’s not time yet,” that in silence and secret some kind of super effective plan is being prepared. What happens under the carpet, under the carpet will remain, but in real life things are not very ...
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        +1
        17 June 2014 11: 25
        Quote: Scandinavian
        But Kiev itself and the United States behind it climb out of their skin to draw Russia into the war.



        In!
        and we must remember who was going to "butt" - THESE - tomorrow the CITY will be destroyed (but how? - a normal person will not think of) and blamed on Russia!

        With these it is necessary - with MIND!
      3. +3
        17 June 2014 11: 32
        Quote: Scandinavian


        Why does Strelkov say so?

        And why do not you admit that Strelkov just says
        The truth. I think people who are daily under art.
        shelling, losing their comrades, in the definition
        This moment begins to spit on polites. They simply
        cut the truth, the uterus.
      4. Dario
        -1
        17 June 2014 12: 44
        well dragged in and what's next?
    7. +5
      17 June 2014 10: 46
      V.V. Putin, the Federation Council has given you a full carte blanche for the use of military force in the event of aggression against Russian citizens living in the territory of the Rep.
      If only they put a heavy weapon, or even not.
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      2. +3
        17 June 2014 11: 41
        Alexander welcome! hi To comment, I’m not Putinofil, but what is now V.V.P. makes me impressed, or rather how he does it. Do you know how Python / Anaconda hunts? Wrapping around the victim, she does not squeeze, contrary to popular belief, like a corn stick to a bone crunch. She wraps a ring around her body around the victim and when the victim exhales, compresses the ring exactly as much as the victim exhaled ... The victim dies from strangulation, while the snake does not waste power in vain. V.V.P. reminds me more and more of a boa constrictor around a screaming red-black-haired baboon not showing its rings, while noticing any aggression (it does not bite, does not spit poison), it just SILENTLY compresses it ...
        1. Dario
          +8
          17 June 2014 12: 48
          It shrinks that they will lose 6 million people in Novorossiya and get a NATO army near their borders.
        2. 0
          17 June 2014 13: 32
          Quote: ispaniard
          V.V.P. more and more reminds me of a boa constrictor around the squealing red-black-haired baboon its rings

          It also seems to me that Ukraine and the troops are being pulled farther and farther into New Russia, so that they get more bogged down there, and then in some strange way, everyone will be surrounded or faced with the choice of surrendering weapons or demolishing them. After all, war is a big expense, but who is wasting right now? Correctly, Ukraine is sitting on a dry spot and in debt, and thus brings its financial collapse closer. Who will sponsor Europe? USA? Yeah, right now, if Ukraine will pay for this help with resources and territory, then Ukraine will soon end completely. Refusal to sell Russian defense products is another signal to sunset.
          It is not necessary to compare with Fascist Germany because it was strong both economically and politically at that time, but what does Ukraine represent right now? A miserable vassal and a beggar from the European Union and the United States.
          My heart feels stupidly stretching time, which worsens the living conditions of Ukraine with all the apparent successes on the fronts. Ukraine cannot sustain such a pace.
          Time is the fourth dimension not in favor of Ukraine and its owners.
        3. +5
          17 June 2014 14: 20
          Quote: ispaniard
          The victim dies from asphyxiation, while the snake does not expend power in vain. V.V.P. reminds me more and more of a boa constrictor around the squealing red-black-backed baboon without showing its rings; notice at the same time no aggression
          It’s a misconception in principle. It was Vladimir Vladimirovich who started to compress, no matter how sad I state this fact. The remaining six months will also be eventful. Do not rush to conclusions and conclusions. Ukraine is not everything that is prepared in hellish cuisine. I won’t be surprised if I hear that somewhere a nuclear mushroom has arisen, one is the truth of everything, but agree a little pleasant.
        4. +5
          17 June 2014 15: 25
          ispaniard (1) RU Today, 11: 41 ↑

          Alexander welcome! hi For comment, I’m not Putinophile, but what is now V.V.P. makes me impressed, or rather how he does it. Do you know how Python / Anaconda hunts? Wrapping around the victim, she does not squeeze, contrary to popular belief, like a corn stick to a bone crunch. She wraps a ring around her body around the victim and when the victim exhales, compresses the ring exactly as much as the victim exhaled ... The victim dies from strangulation, while the snake does not waste power in vain. V.V.P. reminds me more and more of a boa constrictor around a screaming red-black-haired baboon not showing its rings, while noticing any aggression (it does not bite, does not spit poison), it just SILENTLY compresses it ...

          Do you happen to have relatives in SE?
          Sorry
          You would tell them this fantasy for the night, under the cannonade
          And for one thing, they don’t need to be afraid, because the troops are already there, well, they’re just not visible
          And about the secret plan that we have
          and stock up on a story that will later explain
          when the full ass comes.
          Why didn't this secret plan, bitch, work
          People are dying.
          Are you talking about python fairy tales weaving, or maybe you people think of live bait?
          1. +2
            17 June 2014 16: 15
            Watch an interesting bilderb meeting. club
      3. GDP
        +2
        17 June 2014 12: 18
        If only they put a heavy weapon, or even not.

        To put heavy weapons already means intervening in a military conflict, there will not be much difference who will control these tanks and artillery ...

        if you continue to sit in a passive underground, then it may make sense to supply that heavy equipment, which, in principle, the militia could capture ... But in practice it is very difficult to make sure that the mosquito does not undermine the nose ...

        for example: 10 militiamen captured non-working BMPs, took them to Russia in return and received 10 or maybe even 20 workers, without numbers and with Ukrainian symbols ...
        + You can supply non-military vehicles, communications, food, medical equipment, medicines and ammunition ....
        1. Svyatopolk
          0
          18 June 2014 03: 08
          Heavy weapons and it’s not necessary to give the militias, it’s too noticeable and after howling you won’t get out. It is better to give modern means of combating aviation and tanks with armored personnel carriers, so that the militia knocked out heavy weapons and aircraft from dill. Still give modern small arms, grenade launchers, mortars (not heavy). This weapon is not so noticeable, but it will cause great damage to the enemy. And with the help of special forces volunteers and instructors, it would be possible to repel heavy equipment from dill, grab trains with heavy equipment, and, at worst, derail them. Guys, having analyzed everything, I realized that the militias are ordinary locals. Therefore, they have no success. It would be good weapons for them and our volunteers - specialists, it would be a completely different matter. Remember Afghanistan, SOVIET Special Forces 50 FIGHTERS - captured Amin’s palace with protection of 3 thousand people. So it would be possible to capture the airdrome and send to Hell all the law-abiding locals there. Yes, and height, I forgot to capture its name. EH MA!
    8. +3
      17 June 2014 10: 58
      That's right, but Russia can intervene, I think, only after the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR stop working in the mines, extracting the coal of the junta. And in other factories. And so it turns out most of the population bears this duty and is waiting for help from the outside. What are you doing? Are you crushed?
      1. Dario
        +2
        17 June 2014 13: 09
        One moment!
        You all say that men in the Donbass are sitting at home! They work! And they don’t want to fight!
        I have questions:
        Who put the block posts? Who is fighting now? And who asked them to fight?
        So why shouldn't those who started it all and continue to put in more energy and not finish everything they started? After all, peaceful people who go to work and stay at home who want PEACE around are dying!


        CRY FROM THE HEART!
        1. 0
          17 June 2014 20: 01
          Quote: Dario
          And who asked them to fight?

          But that the vote for the republic did not show who asked to fight, but were there few deaths from the Nazis at point-blank shooting people, and May 2 in Odessa, and May 9 in Mariupol? Or do you not remember how it all began?
          People began to defend their republics, and the vast majority of the population merges them.
    9. +3
      17 June 2014 10: 58
      Quote: "V.V. Putin, the Federation Council gave you full carte blanche for the use of military force."
      ====================================================================== =================
      This is not a card blanche, but a direct warning to the dill authorities, but the MAIN thing is to the Americans and NATO, so that the NATO troops do not think of introducing them into Ukraine! Putin is doing everything right. It is not worthwhile to give an assessment of the actions of our president and government, without (without knowing!) The complete picture, information, and motives of our leadership. Similar articles are running ahead of a steam locomotive. Yes, it is a pity the innocent people of the southeast. But the Russian Federation is not God. We can’t do whatever we want. We are located in the international legal field. Ukraine is a separate state. In order to send troops there, you must have a UN mandate. I ask you to immediately refrain from comparing with the gangster foreign policy of the scoundrels. The Russian Federation is not a bandit, but a responsible and serious state. We are doing everything we can right now - we are helping with humanitarian aid, accepting and arranging a large number of refugees from a neighboring state, our volunteers are participating in the struggle for the independence of New Russia. And this is only what is accessible to the general public. Our Foreign Ministry is also making constant efforts to end the genocide.
      Direct military assistance will entail the return of NATO troops to Ukraine. This is an escalation of the situation, and an increase in the number of victims from all sides. RF is not necessary. We have other methods. And WE will win, you can have no doubt! Yes
      1. wanderer_032
        +6
        17 June 2014 12: 26
        Quote: GSH-18
        WE will win, you can have no doubt!

        I thank you for such wishes, but no concrete actions can be seen that fundamentally affect the situation.
        This is really angry.
      2. GDP
        +5
        17 June 2014 12: 40

        Quote: "V.V. Putin, the Federation Council gave you full carte blanche for the use of military force."

        This is not a card blanche, but a direct warning to the dill authorities, but the MAIN thing is to the Americans and NATO, so that the NATO troops do not think of introducing them into Ukraine!

        Something does not feel that they understood this warning ...
        1. Jin
          +3
          17 June 2014 15: 03
          Quote: GDP

          Something does not feel that they understood this warning ...


          I support! Moreover, they already wrote about it here that Putin promised by any means to protect the Russians in Ukraine, if force is suddenly used ... And where? sad This crap reminds me very much of the Balkans ... another drain of the brothers. Then in the morning I read one article, there the Author said that Putin was scolded in vain, that he was tearing Russia away ... on the one hand, I understand that we’ll get involved, we will give the amers cards in their hands, including in Syria ... but! Finished with New Russia, one fic will find reasons to shout at us, to Syria, to the same and further. What is asked to bring to this? If the ghouls right now (and it was necessary earlier), to give a crap is not childish, then the entire ATO will quickly collapse .... They took the Crimea? We spit on Matrasostan? What are the sanctions, pah negative any of you guys ??? So what is stupid with New Russia? Let’s reach for sure ... Who would have thought half a year ago that such a thing is possible ??? Further more.
    10. Troitsky
      0
      17 June 2014 12: 52
      Yes, calm down, most likely we are providing military assistance. In the USSR, too, no one knew that we were fighting for the DPRK and Vietnam.
      1. Dario
        +1
        17 June 2014 13: 14
        How did nobody know that? The USSR and the USA in Vietnam had an agreement not to shoot down planes with the emblem of their states. The Americans did not shoot down a single plane with the Soviet pilot !!! They shot down only those Soviet aircraft that had the emblem of Vietnam!
    11. +2
      17 June 2014 14: 02
      How long will Russia and the Russian people endure spitting, slapping and bullying from the side of a handful of Bandera kov paid by the West, who do not shun anything to kill innocent people? Russian people.



      How long? And what does the author want, if even on the "patriotic" resources there are those who do not want to "support" Novorossiya, who think that this is "not their" war, "let them figure it out themselves," and so on. It's the same with the government. Putin is surrounded by a handful of traitors and is blocking the decision on the long-awaited and necessary input of troops.
      1. 0
        17 June 2014 14: 37
        I recommend: http://radiovesti.ru/episode/show/episode_id/27605

        Very good about the situation in Iraq and Ukraine.
    12. 0
      17 June 2014 17: 23
      I fully support the author of the article, if we lose malorosiya - we lose Russia. All very seriously, we will lose the last international authority, all the allies will turn their backs, and everyone who hopes for Russia as a counterweight to the United States will simply not forgive the betrayal. Here tryndets will come ...... and gas with oil will not save!
      1. 0
        17 June 2014 20: 11
        Quote: Ramzaj99
        I fully support the author of the article, if we lose malorosiya - we lose Russia. All very seriously, we will lose the last international authority, all the allies will turn their backs, and everyone who hopes for Russia as a counterweight to the United States will simply not forgive the betrayal. Here tryndets will come ...... and gas with oil will not save!

        Enough to panic, Nitsche has not yet been completed and decided. Do not drive negative thoughts on the air, damn it, you are thereby programming the future in the moods and minds of people. Emotions with thoughts go out and infect normal people. Ukrainians are already contagious.
        Once again I say stop whining and whining. The endurance and patience will be visible there too, and our Russian Happiness often helped precisely by simply waiting and suffering, and at the right moment a simple solution came and everything fell into place without too much fuss and strain.
        The military knows that the most tedious and unbearable to sit in ambush and wait for the enemy, and the battle itself is a long-awaited denouement with victory.
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  2. +19
    17 June 2014 09: 48
    Strelkov has already spoken about the Kremlin officials .... I think they remembered it and made conclusions .... so I'm not expecting anything good
    1. +2
      17 June 2014 09: 58
      Yes, they can arrange any dirty trick, for example sabotage
  3. zzz
    zzz
    +20
    17 June 2014 09: 48
    We’ll give Novorossia to be torn to pieces - we’ll lose all of Russia tomorrow.

    They have already started exploration "for a fool" in the Rostov region.
  4. +14
    17 June 2014 09: 49
    Why do we always lose the initiative, so that after we conquer it we lose huge human resources and finances ?! I do not pretend to be true, but history will not be implied ...
    1. +3
      17 June 2014 10: 03
      But because we just swing for a long time. But, having missed the initiative to arrange everything in March or early April, until the West has "cleared out", the GDP is now acting in the only right way ... and Novorossia, as many believe, is not abandoned, no fairy tales are needed .... and about the decisions that are being prepared at the moment, we can only guess ... but dill will have to answer for x *** lo, such things are not forgiven ... VVP is already offended ... just his Soviet GB-eshnoe upbringing does not set him up for hasty decisions.
    2. +3
      17 June 2014 11: 53
      We, in the sense of Russia, are losing the initiative or the DNI with the LC? Yes, over the past 3 months, the authorities of these republics were engaged in nothing more than self-PR (except Strelkov and his fighters). Only 3 began to move, weeks ago, when the punitive forces created a serious group of troops, and the preventive actions were ZERO. For example, the BTT storage base in Artemovsk is more 1000 units including about 300 tanks with 1 bk for each unit, this base is still in the hands of the junta, which prevented the organization of the capture of this base ??? V / units began to seize a few weeks ago, but before this was not necessary to do? And the inertia of the local male population is simply terrifying. And there are many such issues, there is no common strategy of action, there are no leaders on which Russia can rely in these republics. Nevertheless, Russia does not abandon them and continues to fight for them.
      1. Oleg amos
        0
        17 June 2014 15: 47
        Wise guy, what kind of actions can we talk about when these states are fighting with an adversary who is stronger than him?
  5. +11
    17 June 2014 09: 49
    I repeat once again: WHERE PEACEKEEPING FORCES !! ??? Why is no one - neither Russia, nor another country trying to intervene and stop NATURAL GENOCIDE !! ??? Why should Russia become an aggressor in the eyes of the West !! ??? Why!!???
    1. +2
      17 June 2014 10: 06
      You yourself answer your questions .... if Russia introduces peacekeeping forces without the sanction of the UN Security Council, then it will be the aggressor .... but no one is going to give such a sanction ...
      1. +4
        17 June 2014 10: 11
        And what else needs to happen in Ukraine for the UN Security Council to impose these sanctions !! ??? If only a nuclear explosion ...
      2. +13
        17 June 2014 11: 52
        Grenada, 1983 unilateral US intervention
        Panama, 1989 US unilateral intervention
        Yugoslavia, 1995 NATO operation without UN Security Council authorization
        Afghanistan and Sudan, 1998 US unilateral military strike
        Yugoslavia, 1999 NATO intervention without UN Security Council sanction
        Afghanistan, 2001 NATO intervention without UN Security Council authorization
        Iraq, 2003 intervention of the USA and a number of allies without UN sanction
        Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, 2002 UAV attacks without UN authorization

        FEW!!!
        Who is strong does not ask for sanctions. Russia is weak.
        Who brought her to such a state, aren't they the patrons of Serdyukov?
        1. 0
          17 June 2014 22: 06
          Serdyuk is the best root of Vova and Dima.
        2. Svyatopolk
          0
          18 June 2014 03: 35
          All right, who is against Matrasia now trample. POWER! Therefore, if we want to survive and not destroy Matrasia, we must first of all think about the defense of Russia. The most important thing about air defense. Let scientists develop some kind of system that disables the electronics of missiles, bombers, ships, submarines. All the forces and means to throw on IT! And when we know that the mattresses will not bury us with either nuclear or conventional weapons, and we can do it with them, then we can spit on Matrasia and, on occasion, make a preventive strike, destroying her army. Then the whole world will punch us. And stsut means respect.
      3. Svyatopolk
        0
        18 June 2014 03: 24
        And they won’t give a sanction, they all will destroy Matrasia.
    2. +7
      17 June 2014 10: 25
      Quote: lexxxus
      WHERE PEACEKEEPING FORCES !! ???

      Peacekeepers, without the UN Security Council, you will not introduce. Yes, and they are not needed. The militia asks for only one, WEAPONS. But, but from our side, there is nothing but verbiage ...
      1. +4
        17 June 2014 11: 25
        Quote: Russ69
        there is nothing but verbiage ...

        Well, why so, well this is not true.
        I live in Rostov and Taganrog.
        Towards the border, a lot of things are being driven, and back the tractors go empty.

        Slavyansk not to break !!! New Russia hold on !!!
        1. Svyatopolk
          0
          18 June 2014 03: 36
          So maybe it’s re-equipping Crimea, that’s where the equipment is being driven there.
    3. +4
      17 June 2014 10: 49
      Quote: lexxxus
      Why should Russia become an aggressor in the eyes of the West !! ??? Why!!???

      It’s good to yell, and without that it’s sickening.
      1. 0
        17 June 2014 10: 59
        Yes, just for the state is scary ...! Russia and so methodically involved in the war, and then there are such articles ...
  6. +6
    17 June 2014 09: 49
    it is necessary to intervene but not like a bar.a.na in the head-on, at the beginning everyone also covered our authorities for passivity and then op and our Crimea. For me, you don’t need to learn from the people, waving slogans and threats. You need to learn from China, so quiet glanders have risen
    1. +7
      17 June 2014 10: 07
      How many more old women and children should be killed, according to your logic ??? Until at least some kind of interference!
    2. +3
      17 June 2014 10: 52
      There was no passivity in Crimea; polite people appeared there the next day.
      1. 0
        17 June 2014 13: 00
        Quote: woron333444
        There was no passivity in Crimea; polite people appeared there the next day.
        ...
        ..... There was more than enough passivity ... I declare responsibly .... Not everything is as simple as it was presented to you ... wink
  7. +5
    17 June 2014 09: 49
    All the same, they will force Russia to fight again .... They just started to recover
    1. 0
      17 June 2014 09: 59
      Quote: MIKHAN
      All the same, they will force Russia to fight again .... They just started to recover

      Times are not the same, remember 2008. They have already wound it around the mustache. They want to legalize local authorities in order to strengthen themselves, but they all hate, but are AFRAID. request
    2. +2
      17 June 2014 09: 59
      So everyone is waiting for this and doing everything in order to drag Russia into the war, and then blame all the sins of mortals. They need to convince the whole world that Russia is the enemy and the main evil on Earth, and expose themselves as saviors of the world, as in a movie
      1. nvv
        nvv
        +1
        17 June 2014 10: 57
        He looked at the flag, could not pass by. Listen to this lovely girl, and when she shows you the flag, stop watching and compare. There are no unmanaged processes all processes are manageable.
    3. +4
      17 June 2014 10: 50
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Only started to recover

      Yes, it always has been, everyone climbed when Russia was either weak or not yet strong enough.
  8. +5
    17 June 2014 09: 54
    I will slightly paraphrase one wise thing: "Whoever does not support his people today, tomorrow will feed a stranger."
  9. Death to the Nazis
    +5
    17 June 2014 09: 54
    I agree with the author of the article.
  10. +15
    17 June 2014 09: 57
    Mr.Iceman in May on aftershock.su wrote:

    Hot guys who want to "send troops to Ukraine"!

    In fact, such calls should begin like this:

    - I, full name, address, have already joined the Russian army and, squeezing the machine gun, is completely ready for the throw to Kiev.
    I urge everyone who cares for Russia to join me immediately. (Deployment address, tent number)
    In any other case, I suggest considering such calls a vile provocation.


    In 1991, after listening to the radio "Echo of Moscow", my brother and I, young and naive demobels, filled with the brightest feelings and feeling fully responsible for the fate of our long-suffering Motherland, went to defend the White House. We spent the night there, stood in a cordon. They defended, Yeltsin's power, on their own head ...

    Over the years, having comprehended my own experience, I came to the banal conclusion that you still need to vote with your head, not with your heart. As the classic used to say, "souls are beautiful impulses." In addition, the hard lot of an ordinary Muscovite, eking out his miserable existence among a crowd of visiting pickpockets, swindlers and thieving businessmen, makes one be extremely distrustful. The couplets "How an airplane flew over the Kievsky railway station ..." is more than a century old, and they are still very relevant. Any attempts by third parties to awaken in me some acute feelings and force me to act according to someone else's scenario reflexively cause me to feel rejected. I immediately go into a deep defense and begin to figure out who is trying to manipulate me, who benefits from it, and what I am losing.

    In addition, domestic TV over the past couple of decades should have accustomed you to the sight of blood and other people's suffering. In the world, someone is always suffering and someone is dying. Life, however, continues.

    Turning to the specifics, I want to note that your vision of the situation is very different from reality. You will be very surprised to find out how weak the pro-Russian mood in Odessa is. Ok, let's fantasize. Here, suppose we landed an assault in Odessa. We dared the frail resistance of the Ukrainian army, caught and shot fifty of the most frost-bitten pravoseki.

    What's next?

    And then - the brotherly Odessa people (in the voices of American puppeteers) will say: "We did not call you, dear Russian invaders. Why get out of our land. We are proud, independent citizens of Odessa, and are able to deal with our internal problems ourselves." And what are we going to do when the provocateurs start shooting at the backs of our soldiers with the tacit approval of the crowd? Shall we start a war against the local population that we have come to defend?

    Not. The dead are insanely sorry, but meddling there in the current scenario is sheer madness.

    The population should passionately thirst for the arrival of Soviet Russian troops. And no other way.

    An attempt to send Russian troops in the current situation is a war with the people of Ukraine. I am sure that you yourself perfectly understand who will be the main beneficiary of this war.

    So now we need to clench our fists, clench our teeth and wait. And remember that over the years of Russian military assistance to the brotherly people of Afghanistan, more than half a million Afghans have died. Apart from the Soviet soldiers. We do not want to send half a million souls of the brotherly Ukrainian people to the next world as part of their protection from the "semi [censorship] nature of the West"? That's just it.


    I agree with him. And you need to help SE Ukraine.
    1. +6
      17 June 2014 10: 01
      the policy of non-intervention of the League of Nations led to its disappearance, the lessons of history are apparently not relevant today, there is a "cunning plan"
      1. +1
        17 June 2014 15: 49
        Quote: DMB87
        The population should passionately thirst for the arrival of Soviet Russian troops. And no other way.
        Well, he certainly will not wait for the Soviet troops.
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I agree too!
        So now you need to clench your fists, grit your teeth and wait.
        Well, Meehan, not long ago you said "is it still just beginning? When I asked: what exactly begins? You decided not to answer. I repeat the question: what exactly should happen in your opinion so as not to clench your fists, clench your teeth and wait ?
    2. +4
      17 June 2014 10: 05
      I agree too!
      So now you need to clench your fists, grit your teeth and wait.
    3. wanderer_032
      +11
      17 June 2014 10: 28
      In fact, such calls should begin like this:

      - I, full name, address, have already joined the Russian army and, squeezing the machine gun, is completely ready for the throw to Kiev.
      I urge everyone who cares for Russia to join me immediately. (Deployment address, tent number)
      In any other case, I suggest considering such calls a vile provocation.

      I can already say for myself that I have reached the point of assembly.
      Ready to go. The field form and shell is its own.
      Not because I'm ideological (fanatic) with fire in my eyes and fiery speeches.
      I just watched the KP video very carefully.
      It is here on VO, see "Emergency statement of II Strelkov."
      A man does not play in public, he speaks sincerely.
      I’m already sickened of hearing and seeing how they are being killed, it’s precisely innocent people who are being killed.
      I have been in those parts, lived there for about a year and it really hurts me to see what is happening there now.
      I have a small problem at home, but when I solve it, I will be there.
      I will pay people a debt for hospitality when I was there.
      I just want to remind you that if Siberians come to the front, then the Russian army advances until victory.
      And when we come to the rescue, the advance of the enemy stops.
    4. +2
      17 June 2014 10: 33
      And then - the brotherly Odessa people (in the voices of American puppeteers) will say: "We did not call you, dear Russian invaders. Why get out of our land. We are proud, independent citizens of Odessa, and are able to deal with our internal problems ourselves." And what are we going to do when the provocateurs start shooting at the backs of our soldiers with the tacit approval of the crowd? Shall we start a war against the local population that we have come to defend?
      And those who say such a proposal to live in the Magadan region. There are hardly more than a couple of thousand. In Odessa, I mean.
      1. +2
        17 June 2014 10: 49
        Well, yes, a couple thousand per city, and there are quite a few cities in Ukraine. Will the FSIN cope? National program - "Camps for Non-Brothers-Slavs"?
    5. +3
      17 June 2014 12: 12
      It is not necessary to seek out the most unwise from all possible options for helping the DPR and LPR, namely, the entry of Russian troops into Ukraine (I note there are more frostbitten options: for example, to start threatening America and other “breeders”)
      Now it is necessary to prevent the physical destruction of the supporters of New Russia.
      To do this:
      1. Officially recognize the results of the referendums and, as a result, the formation of Novorossiya (we still won’t see money for gas, and diplomatic support for Novorossiya is necessary);
      2. Create a no-fly zone over the cities of Novorossia (there is no need to send troops, it is enough for the militias to recapture the enemy or buy several units of serious air defense systems);
      3. To enable Novorossiya to acquire the necessary heavy weapons so that the militias can provide a worthy rebuff to the ukrov National Guard.
      In the media it is necessary to conduct a conversation only in the sense that the greater Ukraine attacked the small defenseless Novorossia. If the National Guard of Paroshenka wants a war with New Russia, then it should receive it in an adult way, and not how it is happening now. Ukrainians, using heavy artillery, level defenseless cities with the earth.
      If this is not done in the near future, everything will end with the genocide of Russians throughout Ukraine.
      PS I did not come up with anything new. Listen to I. Strelkov, he is boiled in this cauldron.
    6. hoard
      +1
      17 June 2014 15: 04
      Totally agree!
    7. hoard
      0
      17 June 2014 15: 04
      Totally agree!
  11. +5
    17 June 2014 10: 02
    By and large, the author of the article is right. The time has come when crime is already inactive. Now we need to think about future victims, who will still be there, whether we want it or not, we’ll have to fight with Ukraine anyway, the mattresses will order the junta anyway, and it will rush to fulfill it. Only a future war will be with much greater sacrifices than the one that can take place now. Delaying time, we do not win anything.
    1. +2
      17 June 2014 10: 14
      Giant of thought: ... "when it is already a crime to be inactive" ...

      I ask sorry, what inaction are you talking about? Do you seriously think that Russia is not helping militias? If you are not told anything, this does not mean that nothing is being done. And help to refugees? Is that a trifle? And about military assistance, do not be naive, no one will tell you about it.
      1. +6
        17 June 2014 13: 12
        Quote: Lyokha79
        I ask sorry, what inaction are you talking about? Do you seriously think that Russia is not helping militias?

        Does Russia help? Maybe ... But what exactly? Can you give some examples?
        Have we made it clear to Kiev and the West that the Russian border is a zone of our vital interests? We have stated that in the event of the extermination of the Russian population, settlements and infrastructure in the border areas, Russia will not remain indifferent and will have the right to use ALL the possibilities up to the use of nuclear weapons to stop the database in the border areas. NO!
        And what the Russian leadership is doing, if at all, is TOTALLY NOT ENOUGH. This is evidenced by the development of the situation, and no talk of a cunning plan affects this development.
        Quote: Lyokha79
        If you are not told anything, this does not mean that nothing is being done.

        But if they don’t tell us anything, this all the more does not mean that something is being done.

        Quote: Lyokha79
        And about military assistance, do not be naive, no one will tell you about it.

        That you do not be naive. If any significant military assistance is provided, then everyone will tell us about it, from the Kiev authorities and the West to the UN Security Council
        In the meantime, nothing concrete, except that the evil and terrible Putin is fighting the poor nenko can not show us. So there is nothing substantial and worthy of mention.
  12. +6
    17 June 2014 10: 03
    It’s impossible to bring in troops enough urapatriotic chatter. You need to learn from your mistakes 100 years ago. We climbed in. We were still alive. Stolypin would have let the Tsarskoye Selo idiot get into the Anglo-Saxon war. the corpses will go to Russia as in 1914, at first they screamed forward and then demanded to immediately end the senseless war. Or everyone has the idea that the war with Ukraine is such a special operation both in the Caucasus and bandits in the mountains ran several thousand and then a country with a population of forty million.
    1. Tolibas
      +1
      17 June 2014 10: 24
      Talk business !!!
    2. +4
      17 June 2014 10: 41
      I agree. Add about the civil war. How much did the intervention in the white movement help? Rather, it accelerated the mobilization of the Red Army from among the undecided and doubters.

      In Ukraine, THEIR civil war, and, I repeat, it makes sense to help financially (military and humanitarian) and intellectually (intelligence data, including satellite). If there are volunteers - do not interfere, which is actually happening now.
      1. 0
        17 June 2014 10: 43
        Hmm ... Words NOT youths BUT husband ... !!!
    3. +7
      17 June 2014 11: 00
      Quote: kapitan281271
      It’s impossible to bring in troops enough urapatriotic chatter. You need to learn from your mistakes 100 years ago. We climbed in. We are still clearing our throat. Stolypin would have been alive.

      Well, actually, 01.08.1914/XNUMX/XNUMX graph Purtales (German ambassador)
      handed to the Russian min. in. Affairs Sazonovu note about
      Germany declares war on Russia. Germany attacked
      Russia. This is a medical fact.
      I will give another example, a later one. May, June 1941
      Remember our slogan? "Do not give in to
      provocations! "And they did not give in with all their might.
      Did it save from the offensive on June 22? However, the question
      rhetorical. Do you really think that wars begin
      because someone shot down someone’s plane, or helped someone
      weapons? There are reasons, but there is a reason for war.
      Sincerely.
    4. +2
      17 June 2014 11: 13
      .. Stolypin would be alive, he would not allow the Tsarskoye Selo idiot to get into the war the Anglo-Saxons understood this and removed Pyotr Arkadevich ..
      It is believed that Rasputin was killed for the same reason. He was also categorically against the war. Remembering that the Russo-Japanese war ended in revolution, he convinced the tsar that this (World War I) would end in disaster for Russia. As he looked into the water ...
  13. KAVS
    -1
    17 June 2014 10: 03
    Yanukovych had to take care of the fate of the people of all Ukraine, it was he who was responsible for all this. WHY WE SHOULD NOW take this responsibility and sacrifice !!! EVERYTHING FOLLOWS ON US, they will attribute all the economic, social, political problems of Ukraine !!! Stop WOW !!! We need to trust our leader in this matter!
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  14. iung
    +7
    17 June 2014 10: 04
    Since the collapse of the Union, the position of the waiters has brought it to the point that NATO is on the borders.
  15. +6
    17 June 2014 10: 04
    Even if the war for Russia with the Kiev junta somehow creeps out sideways, then this is still not a reason to occupy defense policy !!! Defense only delays defeat! Are oligarchs of the whole world so tied to each other ??? Then the people of any country have no choice! Sooner or later, they will get to them! After all, the concept of the golden billion has not been canceled! And everything that happens only confirms this! A start! Who is next? Maybe it's time to turn on the brains and get up from the sofas ?!
  16. +5
    17 June 2014 10: 05
    I support. They just wipe our feet about us. They embarrassed the embassy, ​​violate the border, steal gas. Unfolded the genocide of the Russian people. Are we really going to observe all this from the outside ?!
  17. KC4E
    +3
    17 June 2014 10: 07
    How many articles have already been issued calling for help from New Russia? In my opinion, it has already exceeded 1000.
  18. +1
    17 June 2014 10: 08
    Tonight, dill is not badly battered ...

    KIEV, June 17 - RIA Novosti. The Ukrainian Border Guard Service reported that more than 30 military personnel were injured as a result of night shelling of the positions of Ukrainian border guards and military personnel in the area of ​​the Alekseevskoye settlement of Donetsk region.

    According to the border service, on Tuesday night, from 2.00 to 2.40 (3.00 - 3.40 Moscow time), the positions of the border guards were fired from mortars. The border guards entered the battle, after which the militia retreated.

    "31 servicemen were wounded, including eleven border guards. A border guard with a moderate wound and a serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a serious wound were evacuated by helicopter," the border service said on Tuesday.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/europe/20140617/1012312841.html#ixzz34sFMB19Q
    1. +4
      17 June 2014 10: 51
      Quote: Russ69

      "31 servicemen were wounded, including XNUMX border guards.

      There are no dead, as always.
  19. +1
    17 June 2014 10: 09
    "Let us give Novorossia to be torn apart today - we will lose all of Russia tomorrow"
    But have not ....
  20. Grandfather Victor
    0
    17 June 2014 10: 10
    The voice of one crying ...
  21. Druha
    +2
    17 June 2014 10: 10
    It’s impossible to bring in troops enough urapatriotic chatter. You need to learn from your mistakes 100 years ago. We climbed in. We were still alive. Stolypin would have let the Tsarskoye Selo idiot get into the Anglo-Saxon war. the corpses will go to Russia as in 1914, at first they screamed forward and then demanded to immediately end the senseless war. Or everyone has the idea that the war with Ukraine is such a special operation both in the Caucasus and bandits in the mountains ran several thousand and then a country with a population of forty million.

    I completely agree, before yelling, read the articles why you can’t send troops to Ukraine, the Yankees are just waiting for this.
    1. +7
      17 June 2014 11: 02
      Quote: Druha
      read why you can’t send troops to Ukraine, the Yankees are just waiting for this.
      What are we waiting for? The fact that at one time Russia got into the war on the side of the Entente is not Serbia's fault, but the credits that tsarist Russia took from England and France before the war, agents of foreign influence, that we were pulled into an alliance by the Entente. There is no need to drag Peter Arkadyevich here, Nicholas II, where it is not necessary, demonstrated amazing stubbornness, he would not listen to anyone. Returning to the present, we must understand that the point is not in the introduction of troops, but in our inert position. If you say "junta", you should treat it like a junta, and not call it "partners", bowing to the last on payment for gas stolen from Gazprom. It is necessary to recognize the right of the people of Novorossia to self-determination, especially since there was a referendum, real help is needed for Novorossia. Enough to pretend to be a secret of secrets, Bandera should have given an ultimatum long ago. New Russia will fall, the junta, having celebrated the bloody victory, will declare its rights to Crimea, and the West will recognize this claim as legitimate and will support it. Having said "A" about Crimea, one cannot stay idle further. "Do not succumb to provocations", so we get it again on June 22, 1941.
  22. 0
    17 June 2014 10: 12
    Judging by the reports of weapons in the DPR, it’s enough. At least a rifle. But the staff is not enough. In a territory with a population of 8 million people, militias are only up to 10 thousand. The rest of the crevices. They probably think that if they do not fight, then the war will not come to their house? In vain. In Kiev, they have all been written off.
    1. +1
      17 June 2014 11: 24
      The rest of the crevices. They probably think that if they do not fight, then the war will not come to their house? In vain.
  23. +4
    17 June 2014 10: 12
    Interview with Motorola 17.06.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX

    1. +1
      17 June 2014 11: 34
      Motorola is beautiful. It is disgusting to look at the correspondent, with his grimaces and gestures, ..
  24. +1
    17 June 2014 10: 18
    It is necessary to send troops under the flag of Belarus, there are no complaints about the sanction on the side of Russia.
    1. ipp1
      +2
      17 June 2014 11: 18
      On the day of the inauguration of Poroshenko, the son of Lukashenko gives gifts to the main fascist. Who after this is the so-called Old Man?
      1. Svyatopolk
        0
        18 June 2014 04: 18
        Old Man is a sly fox. Both ours and yours. All the successes of Belarus due to the oil of Russia. Yes, and it is not necessary to spend money on defense, it is enough crumbs, Russia will protect. Not bad brothers Belarusians settled down. Therefore, they have a thriving socialism. These are our friends.
  25. Yurii suh
    +3
    17 June 2014 10: 20
    And who said that Russia is not interfering ?! She not only intervenes, but does EVERYTHING to save, not only Russia, Novorossia, but also bring down the entire rotten west with her same-sex women. And also bankrupt, and for a long time, the military-industrial potential of the United States and NATO. Moreover, Vladimir Putin uses their own weaknesses.
    I will not continue, if you wish, you can find a lot on the internet and just THINK.
    Therefore, to say that Russia does nothing is simply stupid.
    PSA Strelkov, I have to tell you that, I will tear them all, I have something. And tomorrow the ukrovoyaks will scatter in fright? Of course not. The "shooter" is the cleverest strategist and tactician who has tied up half of the ukroarmii.Nu, why does he say that ... think for yourself.
    1. that beetle
      +2
      17 June 2014 12: 52
      And who said that Russia is not interfering ?! - Russia supplied gas to the Zionist-fascist junta for free. Until now, Russian state-owned banks are buying bonds of the state loan of Ukraine for the rearmament of the Ukrainian army. The Russian authorities are doing everything for the Kiev junta to win.
  26. +3
    17 June 2014 10: 20
    Why a constant return to this topic ... Here the question must be posed first of all. Do you trust your leader or not? Personally, I trust. And Strelkov is probably one of the script chapters of our leader. It is not so simple. All the same, a scout with rich experience. And about frightened, generally not considered. They are afraid of wolves not to go to the forest ...
    1. iung
      -2
      17 June 2014 10: 22
      and the stars in heaven burn by his grace
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  27. +4
    17 June 2014 10: 20
    It would be interesting to have at least one day without such hysterical appeals? They have written so many times that Russia is being pushed into a war between the Slavs and the Slavs. In this situation, Russia becomes an aggressor. Not Russia started this war. There is a civil war in Ukraine, not an external aggressor has invaded its borders. Ukraine itself will be sorted out. There is help from the West, there is help from Russia. Refugees in Russia, after the end of the conflict and the victory of New Russia, return back. There will be no Ukraine, it is not needed either by the EU, or the USA, or by the rulers of Ukraine themselves. The Republic of New Russia and the annexed territories to the Western countries, the former Ukraine. Turn on the brains of the comrades.
    1. +3
      17 June 2014 12: 45
      Quote: Wend
      There is help from the West, there is help from Russia.
      Come on, dear Anatoly, from this place in more detail. It is known that the West has already sent its drones, is transmitting information to the junta from the same satellites, and has sent its experts and advisers. Even the phosphorus ammunition, presumably from the United States. CIA officers are like at home in Kiev. How does Russia help, except for those brave heads who volunteered to cross the border if our customs and border guards did not slow down "for unpaid fines"? We accept refugees, who are mostly received by relatives and simple compassionate people. On the other hand, we supplied gas to the junta, almost at preferential prices, and patiently waited for money for what had already been stolen. Here we did not help New Russia, but, namely, the junta. In Novorossia, these bastards have cut off not only gas, but also electricity, even water for drinking. Now, about the war "Slavs with Slavs". I don’t know about you, but such thugs as Yarosh and other ukrop trash are not my brothers. Yes, there will be no old Ukraine, there will be Dill, a sort of "great" Galicia, where all of us will be destroyed or mutilated, we will continue if we justify our inaction and chew snot about "non-interference". Now the most important thing, I repeat, will fall New Russia, the victorious junta will come for "their" Crimea, and the West recognizes this as legal, and will support the army of Dill with all its might.
  28. +1
    17 June 2014 10: 22
    Well, I saw specific proposals, and all these articles of alarmist "a'la Opinion" have already been obtained. One might think that the Russian authorities are not doing anything, for example, I don’t know many facts, but this does not give me a reason to demand that the situation in Novorossia be resolved by the introduction of troops.
    1. wanderer_032
      -4
      17 June 2014 11: 05
      Quote: mackonya
      Well, I saw specific proposals, and all these articles of alarmist "a'la Opinion" have already been obtained.

      So saw or not, I also do not understand?
      Learn to work better with the "keyboard", my friend, or tighten up the Russian language.
      And I have the right to express my opinion, freedom of speech in the Russian Federation.
      About the proposals.
      There are no seven spans in the forehead to see the situation in general.
      Here, even any student knows what’s going on.
      The trek is preparing a grandiose "sink".
      Parashenko "conceived" to cheat everyone, watch the latest news about what his decisions were announced in the media.
      And ours, of course, do not want to go there with the official military operation, they want to maintain a reputation. Make a good face with a bad game.
      But how much can you get rid of spitting?
      Do you think that if this happened with the US Embassy or a country that is part of NATO, this would have remained without real consequences?
      I dare to assure you that no. This would be a war without options.
      Because, according to all international laws, an attack on embassies and diplomatic representations, as well as an insult to the head of state, is the most extreme form of insulting the country itself and all its citizens.
      If you think that when the president of the country is insulted by obscene language, this is an insult to his personal address, then you are a narrow-minded and stupid person.
      I can say the same about you, if you think that throwing our embassy is just an act of vandalism against a separate building.
      All these mats and spitting in you and me, this means that we are not able to protect not our president, not our embassy and nothing at all.
      That's it.
      I’ll break the banderlog for GDP, although I did not vote for it. angry
      1. wanderer_032
        0
        17 June 2014 12: 22
        From the same ... Che for the people, just let me remember, but by trolling someone thread.
  29. +2
    17 June 2014 10: 29
    Before giving "something", you first need to have this "something". Substitution of concepts in the title of the article and so much controversy! laughing
  30. iung
    +3
    17 June 2014 10: 29
    Why does it all boil down to troop deployment? At the moment, Strelkov needs a means of suppressing batteries, shooting a city with impunity.
  31. yurik
    +5
    17 June 2014 10: 37
    People's panic is associated with an endless series of ukronazi crimes against the population of Donbass and the amorphous attitude of the Kremlin leader and his entourage towards these facts, despite the efforts and sacrifices of the resistance of the people's republics to prevent Russian genocide in eastern Ukraine!
    For those who admonish about Putin's "correct" policy and peace of mind, I would like to advise you to simply talk to the residents of Donbass in social networks, they will pass it on to such sofa comrades that a person can feel under artillery shelling and bombing ...
  32. 0
    17 June 2014 10: 38
    [quote = lexxxus]
    If we want to save Russia from the Maidan, then we must not fight with Ukraine !!!


    It is necessary to restore order in your country. Keep an eye on dissenters. And tougher with provocateurs! Now more than ever we need the Stalin regime! Otherwise, this infection will affect our society!

    Dear you, that you want to introduce lustration in Russia, then it’s better to revive the Gulag and half the country in orderly rows to camps for dissidents.
    1. iung
      +3
      17 June 2014 10: 42
      can start with thieves and bawdy bureaucrats?
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  33. iung
    +2
    17 June 2014 10: 39
    cunning plan little joy to people under the hail.
  34. 0
    17 June 2014 10: 41
    But interesting:
    Are there refugees from New Russia in Belarus?
    Or Belarus is not the Russian world?
    In general, it is time to hand out new passports on behalf of the new state of New Russia .... with the nationality-Russian column!
    Where? Yes, even in Russia or Belarus.
    Such a picture, "the abduction of Ukrainians" and the discovery of the truth, that they are Russian!
  35. +4
    17 June 2014 10: 43
    We cannot surrender our own, we cannot bring in troops, so at least cover the S-300 with an "umbrella". Well, under the label of protecting civilians from air raids.
  36. withing
    +4
    17 June 2014 10: 44
    Novorossi’s help should be provided in all directions, but there is no need to rush with the introduction of troops. The Kiev junta will not be able to resolve the issue by such methods.
  37. +6
    17 June 2014 10: 48
    On March 4, Putin clearly and loudly declared - get up Russian people, we will not leave you. Nobody pulled his tongue, he said, at an official event, as president of the country, in a sober mind and memory. People believed that a great country would help them and stood up, now he needs to clearly state - no, nothing will happen, stop, stop dying, I joked then. In a week, everything will end, the Russians will go home, the locals will surrender, some will run through the forests until the fall and leave. But no, he’s silent, people who believe him are dying, but he is silent, he considers gesheft. All the blood of the Donbass from March 4 is in Putin’s hands, if the uprising does not win on them and remains. You can certainly pretend that this is not so, and blame Kiev for everything. But he declared war, then did not show up at it and does nothing to curb Kiev - Putin. Now we are observing how, on behalf of the whole of Russia, he treacherously deceives the trustees. And the question in the article is about the personal responsibility of the president for the war unleashed by him and for blood. Crowed, raise the sun at least by yourself, even by hand, otherwise it’s not a cock, but a chicken, who imagines something about himself there.
    1. +5
      17 June 2014 11: 15
      comment from the site novorosiya:
      Yulia C • 11 minutes ago
      Mr. President!
      You are wrong to think that you can easily fool us with your populism. This is not so. Russia's unwillingness to protect compatriots - ethnic Russians, according to the current legislation of the Russian Federation, puts the question of power in Russia on the line. You think that "dear Russians" should pay only taxes on the army, and the army should protect the capital of Russian oligarchs in the world scale? But what about national interests? Do you and your entourage think that you have “staked out” the territory of the Russian Federation forever and will siphon resources from Russia under the guise of patriotic slogans? This cannot last long. The war in Novorossiya has already dotted the i's. Responsible politicians should be responsible for their words, or resign voluntarily. Or are you waiting for the Ukrainian army to get stronger and go to the Crimea? You took Crimea apparently only in order not to betray the army and navy on which your "vertical" is supported. You drowned the Pyrrhic victory in Crimea in the blood of the Donbass people as a result of incomprehensible undercover agreements in Normandy. So it looks from the outside. Nobody is going to forgive you blood in Donbass. Think carefully what is best for you, otherwise you will get both shame and war.
      Thank you for attention.
      PAY ATTENTION - THERE ARE FIGHTING UNDER THE RED Banner WITH EPK AND THE HAMMER, AND THIS OUR VORIE SCARES ...
    2. -3
      17 June 2014 11: 52
      Do not lie.

      And sho, did the Russian people stand up? Do not get up. Putin officially asked not to hold a referendum. Because it became clear that they did not get up. If they got up, then no dill army would now attack a handful of heroes.

      Something I get the impression that the trolls trodden the path here.

      This is how I rate. Do you think we need to fight - go ahead! Get off the couch and into the Rostov region. "Get off the couch - become a hero!" Cheap bullshit instead of real action is a heinous provocation.
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  38. +1
    17 June 2014 10: 52
    The article can be simply called "DoKole ......." After that, you can attribute anything you like, just to get hotter.
    There is a certain group of people "eternal passionaries" who are not satisfied with everything that they do not share.
    Baalotte in the elections, go up the political ladder, you look and you can decide for yourself where the country should go and in what way. In the meantime, Putin leads the country, it is up to him to decide what to do.
    Of course, I understand that Putin does not have you as an adviser, otherwise you would advise him immediately bypassing all sorts of secondary moments like the Southeast, Syria, etc. Immediately burn the nest of the enemy .... but why take a steam bath everyone knows where the enemy is ....
  39. -5
    17 June 2014 10: 59
    Do you have a plan, Mr. Fix? - Oh yes, I have a plan! I will delay this Fogg !!.

    How many words and chatter are online! They betrayed us! Donbass surrendered! There is a super plan to save everyone, but it's secret! Everything goes according to plan! Everything goes to hell! ..
    Slightly tired. To whom it is unbearable - get down from a sofa and forward to Lugansk under a gun. To whom sverbet - scratch. There will be nothing good from chatter and hysteria.
    Yes, New Russia is drowning in blood! Yes, the Bandera army is already openly crossing the borders of the Russian Federation, Ukrainians are stealing gas, violating all conceivable norms of international law, attacking the Russian embassy. And sho? Waiting for a reaction from the Kremlin? Well wait. Who does not want to wait - march to the border, cover with a chest.
    But what the hell so much trepidation? Feel involved? To what? Express an opinion? What for?
    The Kremlin does not read this site. And dozens of others do not read either. Perhaps they know the opinion of the people. But the fact that here they once again shout "down" or "give" will not be hot or cold in the Kremlin.

    Offer to the site owners. Filter the number and quality of articles. From empty spam, the rating will not fly up to heaven. But you can accidentally turn a playground into a bench in the yard, where grandmas scratch their tongues from morning to morning. But is it necessary?
  40. kgv47
    +4
    17 June 2014 11: 00
    Why are you persuading him?

    Is it not clear that he is taking revenge on Donbass for holding the referendum against his "advice"!

    And the second one. Now in New Russia, a sense of human dignity is being revived among people. People want social justice and rule of law for everyone. And who is henchman of the world oligarchy. Well, maybe not a direct executor, but an ideological supporter of the oligarchs. (himself like that)

    The third. He hates Russians. All Russian patriotic movements and organizations are either destroyed or are under severe pressure.
    1. -3
      17 June 2014 13: 47
      Pure truth, I hate banderlog but I agree with the statement by Deshitsy.
  41. +2
    17 June 2014 11: 06
    I do not like all these calls. From the evil one. In no case should troops be entered. I am sure that there is considerable help from the Russian Federation. They want freedom from Kuev, let them fight, and the Russian Federation will help, only without the introduction of troops.
    1. wanderer_032
      +2
      17 June 2014 12: 12
      Quote: yana532912
      In no case should troops be entered.

      Then sit and wait until the boot of the foreign mercenary hits already at your door, drags you and your family by the scruff of your neck and drives you to the nearest end of the camp, to conduct experiments on you or something else, I don’t know better.
  42. +3
    17 June 2014 11: 10
    Guys with an independent run winged. See the Yankees promised them something serious, so they become impudent. There was a rumor that the neighbors sold the pipe (gas transmission system of Ukraine) to the states. And the states for their pipe anyone you want to gored.
  43. +1
    17 June 2014 11: 22
    No one doesn’t give anyone to be torn apart, everything is done quietly and secretly
  44. 0
    17 June 2014 11: 22
    Putin fell silent after the visit of the President of Switzerland, if Putin so easily surrenders the Southeast, history will not forgive this. And the percentage of public confidence will fall. I never trusted him, but after the Crimea, there was a glimpse. It was necessary to introduce peacekeepers after the referendum, or more actively to help covertly. Now the whole hurt has dried up, and we need to help more actively and urgently. Seeing what is happening in the Donbas, I remember 2008, then they helped not Russians, although they were weaker, now Russians are being handed over and merged, while Russia has become clearly stronger. But the events in Ukraine will still come back to haunt, so we must act now and urgently.
  45. zzz
    zzz
    -2
    17 June 2014 11: 25
    Attention! Not verified. Information has just arrived that the DPR now has its own tanks! Today, 248 units of formidable equipment have arrived! We need tankers, tractor drivers, mechanics! If you have the necessary training and are ready to defend the DPR, your family, the city from fascist creatures, come to Donetsk to the Government House (former Regional State Administration) and contact the press center to Claudia tel. 099 308 65 95

    http://dnr-news.com/dnr/697-u-dnr-poyavilos-248-tankov-nuzhny-tankisty.html
  46. BEJIEC
    0
    17 June 2014 11: 26
    now I came across an article: WHO WILL FINANCE UKRAINIAN PUNISHERS http://gpolitika.com/?p=2279... who will explain how ??? We drive Ukraine into debt, or we’ll hand over our
  47. Maxpotan
    +4
    17 June 2014 11: 28
    Shooters every day urges the men of New Russia to the militia to defend their land. And where are they? According to recent statistics, out of almost 100 thousand refugees, more than 15 thousand are men aged 18 to 45. So who is merging Novorossia? The end of Russia can only come from within through the efforts of the cheers of the patriots, repeating the slogans of Amerop.i.de.r.po.v. And once again I repeat - will have to fight with the Russians, you have not forgotten about this? Not only with pravoseki, but also with Russian boys conscripts, against the desire driven by Avakov to war. Their mothers go to military units and collect rallies. And after the introduction of troops, a full-scale war of Russians against Russians will begin
    1. zzz
      zzz
      +4
      17 June 2014 11: 31
      Quote: MaxPotan
      According to the latest statistics, out of almost 100 thousand refugees, more than 15 thousand are men aged 18 to 45.


      Yesterday I met with refugees, there were only women with children, men all remained there. Apparently all different people ...
    2. +6
      17 June 2014 11: 41
      fight against tanks, aircraft and artillery with a rifle? they don’t have weapons, Strelkov has been asking Russia for weapons for a month and a half, but in silence, and how will you fight against the regular army under the guidance of advisers from the United States, with the help of infantry alone? defense alone cannot be defeated. If they had normal armament and support, they would have already driven these dill out long ago. There will be no Russian war against Russians, those who are not forced to fight as soon as they see that strong help has come, and the rest of the banderlogs from punitive battalions and other enemies of the Russian people. Although they themselves scatter to the caches. The enemy acts so brazenly and mercilessly, because he is confident in his impunity and complete superiority in numbers and weapons. and the fact that Russia tolerates and is silent gives the enemy even more confidence in their impunity. Your vaunted Putin missed the moment to resolve the issue with less blood, now you need to help more actively and decisively, or secretly or directly, but urgently.
      The war in the Donbass is a war against the entire Russian world, if someone does not understand this, then he is a fool or a traitor.
    3. wanderer_032
      +8
      17 June 2014 12: 18
      Quote: MaxPotan
      after the introduction of troops, a full-scale war of Russians against Russians will begin for the glory of the United States

      And if it comes out differently?
      If it does not start? If Americans only take a show off?
      If they just pump the situation and see how Russia will act?
      When Ossetia was in 2008, I also thought, everything was kirdyk, there were amerovskie soldiers in Georgia, amerovskie "boxes" were hanging out in the Black Sea.
      However, they sankanuli and retreated home.
  48. 0
    17 June 2014 11: 29
    Quote: vsoltan
    You yourself answer your questions .... if Russia introduces peacekeeping forces without the sanction of the UN Security Council, then it will be the aggressor .... but no one is going to give such a sanction ...

    Maybe stop looking west, do we have our own interests? Dominate this UN and disperse everyone in the corners
  49. +4
    17 June 2014 11: 30
    Let's not forget that Igor Ivanovich Strelkov is our man, very experienced in matters not only of combined arms combat, but also in matters of intelligence and counterintelligence. According to the worst-case scenario, they will pull out a convoy to Russia with battles, holding out all the way ... We (the only country that can destroy the USA) are so afraid of mercenaries from there or smelly zapadentsev ???
  50. +6
    17 June 2014 11: 33
    Wise Putin sees everything and knows everything!
    Soon there will be such a winning move that no one expects!

    So it seems they are trying to convince us.
    Oh well!
    1. +1
      17 June 2014 20: 31
      IF A BANDIT SHOULD BE DISPLACED, IT IS PLANTED. UKRAINE FEELED IMPUNITY - HERE AND RESULT! REALLY READY US SO YOU WOULD LIKE YOURSELF IF THERE WERE THE SAME EVENTS IN THE TECHNIQUE ???
  51. +1
    17 June 2014 11: 34
    We've had enough of these provocateurs. If you want to help, volunteer to fight in the militia! There is no need to drag all of Russia into this. Or are you just too quick to scratch your tongue???
  52. 0
    17 June 2014 11: 38
    Quote: demon184
    It is necessary to send troops under the flag of Belarus, there are no complaints about the sanction on the side of Russia.

    What do you think the troops withdrawn from the border are doing? That's right, they get Belarusian registration and quickly learn the basics of Belarusian and Surzhik. And Old Man famously plays the role of Kuevsky’s friend. Go and blame the Belarusian peacekeepers later. It’s just in vain that you made this plan public; now the enemies will know. But nothing, their problems are through the roof, they won’t have time to do anything anyway.
    1. waisson
      0
      17 June 2014 11: 52
      ------------ hi
      1. +1
        17 June 2014 12: 31
        You said correctly. PS militants must be destroyed. They are fighting against Ukrainians.
        I wonder how Dill translated Father’s text for themselves? Probably wishful thinking again.
  53. +1
    17 June 2014 11: 49
    The article is demagogic and inflammatory, and its author is an outright talker who has lost his sense of reality and proportion, a frivolous and limited person, incapable of analysis and characterized by a simplified understanding of reality.
    There is no doubt that the country's political leadership is fully aware of what is happening in Ukraine and the consequences that this may entail for Russia. Now it is useless to look for an answer to why the revival of neo-fascism became possible, but the fact remains that on the southern borders of Russia in the person of Ukraine there is an openly hostile Russophobic state that is not distinguished by internal stability and is on the brink of civil war. The local nature of the confrontation allows the Ukrainian authorities to manipulate public opinion both within the country and in the international arena. Because of this, until now no one in the world has recognized Novorossiya, the DPR and the LPR as subjects of international law, their legitimacy, incl. and Russia. These new formations, as defined by the Russian media, are “self-proclaimed republics” on whose territory hostilities are taking place. This does not allow us to fully utilize the complex of diplomatic procedures associated with changes in the geopolitical situation in the region - recognition of borders, establishment of diplomatic relations, economic and other ties, and much, much more, incl. separation of the parties, introduction of a peacekeeping contingent, etc. and so on. It is only possible to provide humanitarian assistance and accommodate refugees and internally displaced persons on our own territory, which, strictly speaking, is being carried out.
    The introduction of troops into the territory of Ukraine, in such a situation, would be an actual violation of its sovereignty and provoke a military conflict with far-reaching consequences. This is what the Banderlogs persistently strive for, as well as our European and overseas “partners and friends”, using all available means – from outright lies and slander in the media to demonstrative violation of international legal norms and even the state border of the Russian Federation.
    In order for Russia to be able to give an appropriate response to provocations, a precedent is needed when, in the person of the UN, other international organizations and the world community as a whole, there will be no doubt about the legality of its actions. Then Russia will say: “Gentlemen, we have endured for so long....” No one knows when this will happen, but it’s getting there......
  54. waisson
    +1
    17 June 2014 11: 51
    ---------------- soldier
  55. Solovyov
    +2
    17 June 2014 11: 52
    Now Russia faces a choice. Perhaps one of the most difficult and dangerous in the last twenty years. Experienced enemy strategists masterfully created a classic “fork” - no matter what option Russia chooses, it will be a loss. The Russian Federation now finds itself between those same mythical Scylla and Charybdis.

    full text in article
    http://da-dzi.livejournal.com/261186.html
    1. 0
      17 June 2014 14: 14
      From the same article:
      "..That is why I perceive anyone who shouts “Putin, send in the troops”:
      1) or as a person who is sincerely mistaken due to lack of information
      2) or as a clinical idiot
      3) or as a white-tape liberal scoundrel
      4) or as an outright enemy..."
      I support smart thoughts, unlike the local provocateur.
  56. +1
    17 June 2014 12: 12
    Quite possibly Putin:

    1. Afraid of sanctions.
    2. Afraid of war.
    3. Our oligarchs are putting pressure on him; for them, “loot” is more important than people.
    4. He doesn’t want to lose his rating, which is currently 85%, as they say.
    5. Weakened with age.
    6. Stopped being Russian.
    7. The words “Russians don’t abandon their own” are an empty phrase for him.
    8. Thinks “what to do?” Although we already need to act.
    9. Not as courageous as we think.
    10. Just not a “man.”

    No amount of money, gas or oil is worth the LIVES of CIVILIENT PEOPLE who are dying under Nazi bombs...
    1. -2
      17 June 2014 12: 37
      If Agent 008 is not in the militia, then he is cheap. Zvizdun. And to scream, as they say, is not to run the state. He kicked, satisfied his ego, and went to the sofa. Shut up already, heroes of the pen. The real heroes are in the militia. And the media is a space of increasingly troll-provocateurs, a battlefield.
  57. argon
    0
    17 June 2014 12: 23
    "...I understand you as the head of the country, I understand that you have a huge responsibility, first of all, for the Russian Federation..."
    To understand, you need to become one (the president). This is what I wish for the author in the future. The media write a lot about the lack of active participation of locals in the militia. Russia cannot openly enter with troops, but informational assistance to the nascent government agencies of Novorossiya is simply necessary. And so far we only show refugees and not a word in support of the militias in the official media.
  58. 0
    17 June 2014 12: 32
    Quote: rubin6286
    The article is demagogic and inflammatory, and its author is an outright talker who has lost his sense of reality and proportion, a frivolous and limited person, incapable of analysis and characterized by a simplified understanding of reality.
    There is no doubt that the country's political leadership is fully aware of what is happening in Ukraine and the consequences that this may entail for Russia. Now it is useless to look for an answer to why the revival of neo-fascism became possible, but the fact remains that on the southern borders of Russia in the person of Ukraine there is an openly hostile Russophobic state that is not distinguished by internal stability and is on the brink of civil war. The local nature of the confrontation allows the Ukrainian authorities to manipulate public opinion both within the country and in the international arena. Because of this, until now no one in the world has recognized Novorossiya, the DPR and the LPR as subjects of international law, their legitimacy, incl. and Russia. These new formations, as defined by the Russian media, are “self-proclaimed republics” on whose territory hostilities are taking place. This does not allow us to fully utilize the complex of diplomatic procedures associated with changes in the geopolitical situation in the region - recognition of borders, establishment of diplomatic relations, economic and other ties, and much, much more, incl. separation of the parties, introduction of a peacekeeping contingent, etc. and so on. It is only possible to provide humanitarian assistance and accommodate refugees and internally displaced persons on our own territory, which, strictly speaking, is being carried out.
    The introduction of troops into the territory of Ukraine, in such a situation, would be an actual violation of its sovereignty and provoke a military conflict with far-reaching consequences. This is what the Banderlogs persistently strive for, as well as our European and overseas “partners and friends”, using all available means – from outright lies and slander in the media to demonstrative violation of international legal norms and even the state border of the Russian Federation.
    In order for Russia to be able to give an appropriate response to provocations, a precedent is needed when, in the person of the UN, other international organizations and the world community as a whole, there will be no doubt about the legality of its actions. Then Russia will say: “Gentlemen, we have endured for so long....” No one knows when this will happen, but it’s getting there......
    Well, well, wait, wait until the world community begs Russia, are you going to live forever? Or until the cancer on the mountain whistles?
  59. Druha
    0
    17 June 2014 12: 36
    Quote: Per se.
    Quote: Druha
    read why you can’t send troops to Ukraine, the Yankees are just waiting for this.
    What are we waiting for? The fact that at one time Russia got into the war on the side of the Entente is not Serbia's fault, but the credits that tsarist Russia took from England and France before the war, agents of foreign influence, that we were pulled into an alliance by the Entente. There is no need to drag Peter Arkadyevich here, Nicholas II, where it is not necessary, demonstrated amazing stubbornness, he would not listen to anyone. Returning to the present, we must understand that the point is not in the introduction of troops, but in our inert position. If you say "junta", you should treat it like a junta, and not call it "partners", bowing to the last on payment for gas stolen from Gazprom. It is necessary to recognize the right of the people of Novorossia to self-determination, especially since there was a referendum, real help is needed for Novorossia. Enough to pretend to be a secret of secrets, Bandera should have given an ultimatum long ago. New Russia will fall, the junta, having celebrated the bloody victory, will declare its rights to Crimea, and the West will recognize this claim as legitimate and will support it. Having said "A" about Crimea, one cannot stay idle further. "Do not succumb to provocations", so we get it again on June 22, 1941.

    You are contradicting yourself: you don’t need to scrape around, then you need to lead the troops, they lead the troops, and you will get June 22, 1941, and you don’t need to drag in Nicholas II, it’s better to study history.
  60. Serg7281
    +1
    17 June 2014 12: 36
    Another clique - a provocateur, absolutely not thinking about the consequences.
    1. wanderer_032
      0
      17 June 2014 14: 16
      Quote: Serg7281
      Another clique - a provocateur, absolutely not thinking about the consequences.

      Yes, on our collective farm here everyone is provocateurs, wherever you spit there are only provocateurs. fellow
      The provocateur drives the provocateur and the provocateur. laughing
      You go out into the street, you don’t seem to bother anyone, but everyone provokes you to do something. laughing
      Either buy, then participate, then for three, then in a miniskirt, ugh, I’m tired.... laughing
      There are also clickers, but they are more gentle, they only click on mice, sit quietly and don’t bother anyone. laughing
      But I didn’t stand in line with them, it’s troublesome, they’re sitting in different houses, you can’t run into each other. laughing
      And no one thinks about the consequences here either, just look at YouTube and you’re amazed at how many such “lost” people there are, it feels like we have a country of “lost souls”.
      At work, too, you look and go crazy (I work in an ambulance).
  61. +2
    17 June 2014 12: 36
    Quote: GOGY
    Quote: rubin6286
    The article is demagogic and inflammatory, and its author is an outright talker who has lost his sense of reality and proportion, a frivolous and limited person, incapable of analysis and characterized by a simplified understanding of reality.
    There is no doubt that the country's political leadership is fully aware of what is happening in Ukraine and the consequences that this may entail for Russia. Now it is useless to look for an answer to why the revival of neo-fascism became possible, but the fact remains that on the southern borders of Russia in the person of Ukraine there is an openly hostile Russophobic state that is not distinguished by internal stability and is on the brink of civil war. The local nature of the confrontation allows the Ukrainian authorities to manipulate public opinion both within the country and in the international arena. Because of this, until now no one in the world has recognized Novorossiya, the DPR and the LPR as subjects of international law, their legitimacy, incl. and Russia. These new formations, as defined by the Russian media, are “self-proclaimed republics” on whose territory hostilities are taking place. This does not allow us to fully utilize the complex of diplomatic procedures associated with changes in the geopolitical situation in the region - recognition of borders, establishment of diplomatic relations, economic and other ties, and much, much more, incl. separation of the parties, introduction of a peacekeeping contingent, etc. and so on. It is only possible to provide humanitarian assistance and accommodate refugees and internally displaced persons on our own territory, which, strictly speaking, is being carried out.
    The introduction of troops into the territory of Ukraine, in such a situation, would be an actual violation of its sovereignty and provoke a military conflict with far-reaching consequences. This is what the Banderlogs persistently strive for, as well as our European and overseas “partners and friends”, using all available means – from outright lies and slander in the media to demonstrative violation of international legal norms and even the state border of the Russian Federation.
    In order for Russia to be able to give an appropriate response to provocations, a precedent is needed when, in the person of the UN, other international organizations and the world community as a whole, there will be no doubt about the legality of its actions. Then Russia will say: “Gentlemen, we have endured for so long....” No one knows when this will happen, but it’s getting there......
    Well, well, wait, wait until the world community begs Russia, are you going to live forever? Or until the cancer on the mountain whistles?

    Those who now do not want to help Novorossiya are the real TRAITORS!!!
  62. +1
    17 June 2014 12: 46
    Quote: INTER
    Quote: portoc65
    Novorossiya-Bretskaya fortress of the entire Russian world. It will hold on to the spirit and courage of the Russian man, but will fall with the last defenders of hordes of punishers if all of Russia does not rise against Ukrainian fascism.

    It won’t fall, and Russia already helps. The old-fashioned methods of warfare are not acceptable here, you are fighting in a new and very insidious enemy.

    What does “Russia is fighting in a new way” mean? Withdraws troops from the border! Is this new?
  63. Fuse
    +1
    17 June 2014 12: 48
    Fresh interview with Motorola with a story about how “Brick” shot down a Su-25 16.06.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX

  64. 0
    17 June 2014 12: 53
    To successfully resist the Kyiv mercenaries in Lugansk, you need at least a thousand soldiers with heavy weapons and equipment, as well as from 6 to 8 thousand machine guns for the militia, five boxes of ammunition for each, 10-12 thousand “flies”, etc., 250-300 machine guns of 7.62 caliber, 20-30 machine guns of 12.7 caliber, ATGMs and MANPADS.
    And the army of Fascist Ukraine ceases to exist. soldier
  65. -5
    17 June 2014 12: 53
    Putin is doing more than what you advise him to do.
  66. +4
    17 June 2014 13: 00
    But I’m thinking of throwing some at you guys as a starter. Here you are, who all divide Russia and Novorossiya into “we” and “they”, although you know perfectly well that EBN and Kravchuk, purely through lawlessness, divided our people... Okay, I see that there are Banderaites, there are people of the Russian World, our grandchildren grandfathers-winners, i.e. RUSSIANS. First of all, in spirit.
    And you think that there is no need to send troops into Novorossiya. Like "not our country." You don’t admit that they are currently fighting on OUR territory.
    Here's some food for thought: I'm from the Far East. From Magadan. (the flag will soon be Russian again, don’t pay attention). And here I am, a man from Magadan, according to your logic, should I go to defend YOU, living in the Central Regions of Russia? On the "mainland" as we say?
    Yes, I understand, borders, laws, “toshi-boshi”, the UN and other crap. What do you see happening with the laws?
    He who is strong is right. And period. I suggest you, non-interventionists, Tolstoyans and other hippie patriots who sing the mantra about “America wants to bully us,” think again about the fact that you need to live ACCORDING TO YOUR CONSCIENCE, especially when the laws have stopped working in this world.
    God is not in power, but in Truth. And the mighty by God will win. And the winners then write History. Only God will not do ANYTHING without our desire.
  67. KC4E
    +1
    17 June 2014 13: 08
    Quote: Per se.
    Now, about the war “Slavs with Slavs”. I don’t know about you, but scumbags like Yarosh and other dill trash are not my brothers.

    Western Ukrainians were not our brothers. If you believe the history of the 20th century, they never loved Russians. My grandmother, back in Soviet times, always called Western Ukrainians Bendera. After the war, our border guards and some of the troops fought with them for a reason. Not everyone left abroad, many of the underdogs settled down and multiplied. This is how you have to hate your blood brothers, to shout in all the alleys and subways “he who doesn’t gallop is the one”??? After such “jumps” I thought that the United States had conducted an experiment with psychotropic weapons, or used psychotropic drugs in food. I personally knew some Ukrainians: very unpleasant people, I directly felt their anger on myself. Why Western Ukrainians do not like Russians so much is a question for me.
  68. +1
    17 June 2014 13: 14
    If we send in troops, there will be hundreds of times more casualties, the conflict will be much longer, and its name will be World War 3. Troops cannot be sent in!!!! There are ways in informal “movements”, but this is where we need to work better.
  69. Iero
    +1
    17 June 2014 13: 19
    Today on the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine a Statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine on the humanitarian aspects of the situation in eastern Ukraine was published: “Together with the entire international community of Ukraine, we demand that Russia stop the false propaganda campaign, put an end to the bloody support of the murderers, stop the supply of weapons and military equipment to them and publicly call on the terrorists immediately lay down your arms" (spelling preserved). The US State Department also accuses us of this. What's the point of not supplying weapons to the rebels after this?! Power, why do you need to prove that you are not camels? Give Igor Ivanovich the most modern weapons and he and his army will do all the dirty work.
  70. 0
    17 June 2014 13: 23
    Dear Wanderer_032! I don't think there's any need for hysterics. The loss of Novorossiya did not happen now, but in 1991. Remember the referendum on the fate of the USSR? 90% of the population of the Ukrainian SSR voted for "independence" and are now eating it with a spoonful and are OBLIGED TO FINISH IT TO THE END THEMSELVES!!! This is about the entry of Russian troops. Do you understand what this means? This is not Chechnya and South Ossetia, on the outskirts you won’t be able to tell who is who by their faces, just think about our soldiers. How will they fight there after the first strike? You have little idea what anti-sabotage warfare is. And she will. Over the course of 23 years, on the outskirts, a sufficient number of idiots with twisted brains have grown up who will take a machine gun and go for “independence.” Remember the HERD of students in the middle of Kyiv, “whoever doesn’t jump is a m...skal” with the slogans “m...yaku to gilyak”, remember the tears of idiots from the outskirts keveen about Crimea: “... they do not renounce in love...”. And everyone else who doesn’t jump and doesn’t cut LYING ON THE SOFA and watching how it all ends, thinking that it will fly by. It was not in vain that Strelkov made a call to join the militia... And the statement of the Donbass miners that Russia does not need their coal and they are still on the sidelines... And the pogrom in Odessa? 2 thousand right-wing ultra-nutty dill killed TWO HUNDRED militia in ODESSA, ONE AND A HALF MILLION... It’s all sad and disgusting, but OUR TROOPS HAVE NOTHING TO DO ON THE OUTSIDE. At least for now...
  71. 0
    17 June 2014 13: 23
    Every time I read such cheerful topics, I get the feeling that this is either an enemy of the Russian Federation or a fool.
    Do you think that two shots and here it is victory?!!!?
    Write me your scenario for the invasion of Ukraine, it’s interesting to read, I hope it doesn’t look like this:
    1. +1
      17 June 2014 19: 37
      Well, first, blow up the gas pipeline, preferably in several places and in western territory. or central Ukraine, wait until repair and restoration work takes place and detonate again, then, citing the unstable situation in Ukraine and the impossibility of transit through its territory, stop the transit of gas. Europe will be left without gas and will not only give the go-ahead for the construction of the South Stream, but will also spoil it itself, since being left without gas in winter is not a pound of raisins. Ukraine will be left without money for transit, and this is the lion's share of its budget and without the opportunity to steal gas, and the economy of this state will become familiar with default and start a romantic relationship with it. This concerns the strangulation of the economy and the impact on Europe. There are still more opportunities to influence the army of dill There is no longer only one political will of old man Kabaev.
      PS I have one minus for your reluctance to use your brains.
  72. KC4E
    +1
    17 June 2014 13: 23
    Quote: vezunchik
    Think carefully about what is best for you, otherwise you will end up with shame and war.

    By the way, a civil war is planned in Russia. The date is unknown. I read about this in several sources (I’m not lying): it seems to be a Western program. At first I was skeptical about this. And now the difficult situation is this: either a war in Ukraine, or in the future in Russia.
  73. 0
    17 June 2014 13: 26
    South Ossetia (like Apsny) is not recognized by the “civilized” world. From the point of view of the States and their lackeys, they are “occupied territories of Georgia.” And therefore, military assistance to South Ossetia for the fighting LPR (even in the form of military supplies, or even in the form of sending troops at the request of Lugansk) will present the West with an extremely uncomfortable choice: either admit that Georgia is helping Novorossiya or (quote) "in their terminology, Georgia attacked Ukraine,” which they cannot do in any way, or recognize the existence of the Republic of South Ossetia and Apsny as independent states

    I read this thought and immediately http://ria.ru/world/20140616/1012263520.html, http://putnik1.livejournal.com/3203836.html
    If it is realized, then the GDP troll is already level 999))
  74. Counter
    +1
    17 June 2014 13: 27
    Quote: 222222
    Sun Tzu: “War is the path of deception. Therefore, if you can do something, show the enemy as if you cannot; if you use something, show him that you do not use it; even if you are close , show as if you are far away;......attack him when he is not ready; act when he is not expecting it."

    Who would doubt that the Chinese are great warriors! Add here that “you need to sit on the river bank and wait for the enemy’s corpse to float by,” and the picture becomes completely idealistic.
  75. Druha
    0
    17 June 2014 13: 29
    Quote: agent xnumx
    Quite possibly Putin:

    1. Afraid of sanctions.
    2. Afraid of war.
    3. Our oligarchs are putting pressure on him; for them, “loot” is more important than people.
    4. He doesn’t want to lose his rating, which is currently 85%, as they say.
    5. Weakened with age.
    6. Stopped being Russian.
    7. The words “Russians don’t abandon their own” are an empty phrase for him.
    8. Thinks “what to do?” Although we already need to act.
    9. Not as courageous as we think.
    10. Just not a “man.”

    No amount of money, gas or oil is worth the LIVES of CIVILIENT PEOPLE who are dying under Nazi bombs...

    I’m surprised by everyone, they write Putin, then Putin, what exactly did you do, so go ahead, go there to the southeast, or you’re so smart, why aren’t you the president of Russia.
  76. 0
    17 June 2014 13: 35
    ......I won’t even comment, these screamers are a piece of cake...it’s like talking to the Maidanists with them - what arguments don’t you give them, they’ll turn around and do it again, that’s because...
    Now let’s, lovers of putting out fires with gasoline, minus....
    Sorry for the harshness of my statements... I didn’t set out to hurt/offend/prick anyone
    ...just... tired of such authors...
  77. yurik
    -1
    17 June 2014 13: 35
    so that Putin would be betrayed by his oligarch cronies along with his Medvedev team, just as he is now betraying the popular resistance of Donbass.
  78. komrad.klim
    0
    17 June 2014 13: 37
    Quote: nvv
    He looked at the flag, could not pass by. Listen to this lovely girl, and when she shows you the flag, stop watching and compare. There are no unmanaged processes
    all processes are manageable.

    I'll add another video:

  79. 0
    17 June 2014 13: 44
    Quote: ispaniard
    Think head comrades officers, the rules of the war have changed and there will NOT be a military route to the territory of Novorossia, for one simple reason - They are already there ...

    You may be right, but who can calculate the moral damage from the humiliation experienced by what we hear and see?
    We endure unimaginable humiliation!
    Suppose ours won, but we are conspirators - it was not Russia, not our leadership, that won, but a handful of brave men without weapons or our help.
    Out of conspiracy, we will not recognize republics, and so on...
    The same Ukrainians, out of nowhere, managed to shake the heads of their “patriots”
    1. Druha
      0
      17 June 2014 13: 54
      I don’t agree with you, as you say, let’s say we won, and we and this handful of brave men and those whom we sheltered will know that we won, as in the Second World War, we know that we won, our fathers and grandfathers, not the Yankees, although they and Europe are shouting that they won that war.
  80. nixto
    0
    17 June 2014 14: 02
    Good day everyone! I’ve only recently been here, but what I immediately noticed was that there was too much hysteria! Novorossiya - leaked!!! I also noticed that there are no representatives of the Russian General Staff here to discuss the deployment of troops with full knowledge of the situation!!! So let's wait, be patient, GDP will still surprise us ;-)
  81. -2
    17 June 2014 14: 16
    Perekop is a bottleneck, i.e. easily shot from both sides.
    Next is a bare plateau, where 500 can easily be sent to their forefathers.
    Sivash is on our side - it won’t work out from there. I wish you success!
    laughing
  82. -1
    17 June 2014 14: 22
    Of course, I don’t know what the GDP is up to! But the amount of equipment (Russian Federation) on the border with Ukraine suggests that we are not surrendering Novorossia after all! Profits are open, placed openly! And most importantly, FUCK OURS HERE! Including guys with beards! In general, brothers, now we are definitely on the verge of a grandiose trick!
  83. 0
    17 June 2014 14: 26
    Guys with red beards are slowing down my sidekick! Right by the river (30 km from the border), they ask what the hell are you doing here! He says he's going fishing! They say that NIVA is needed? He immediately said that the market didn’t understand and went to sleep instead of fishing! It’s normal and the sidekick wasn’t even offended, because Polite people arrived with red beards! We have an understanding! Well-mannered mountaineers! Gathered at Slavyansk resort!
  84. -1
    17 June 2014 14: 37
    This article is reminiscent of the hysteria before the 1st World War. It’s just that the story of Russia’s entry into the war ended sadly. Serbia remained Serbia, but Great Russia was missed. So, Vladimir Vladimirovich is doing everything right; the interests of his people are closest to him. Accepting refugees, feeding them, treating them and providing them with housing is a sacred matter for Russia; everything else is questionable.
  85. +3
    17 June 2014 15: 09
    There is no script other than the one that Russia will write and carry out itself! To be two steps ahead, and not to state the facts about Ukraine. If such a scenario exists, then hats off. Now it seems that we are not interested in anything other than gas.
  86. -1
    17 June 2014 15: 40
    But in my opinion, everything is more prosaic than many people think. Here is an excerpt from an interview with E. Guilbaut:
    "......
    Corr .: So you think that it was not Russian troops that captured the Crimea?

    EG: Even Ukrainians can be a little realistic. The state of the Russian Federation has practically no fighting forces, just like Ukraine. Even if you are a superpatriot and believe the media you are writing to, you should sometime notice that the whole world is laughing as you watch the 200 PMC fighters in Slavyansk tied up all the combat-ready units of the Ukrainian army and mock them. The very fact that 200 fighters against the 15-thousandth group retain the initiative using modern warfare methods is the best proof that Ukraine has no army, no matter how much you cover up this fact with press releases about the heroic destruction of Mariupol cops, the local population and tales of thousands of fighters of the GRU and terrible Chechens in the Donbass.

    In the Russian Federation the same picture. There are combat-ready parts of the same quality, only three times more.

    You convince yourself that Putin may decide to send troops to Ukraine. He has nothing to enter. If he even enters these 50 ths. Able to move troops, they can be tied up with a pair of PMC battalions that will conduct network-centric operations along the lines of Slavic ones.

    Therefore, Putin and the General Staff of the Russian Federation did not even think about the introduction of troops. He remained only in the terrible dreams of the victims of the Ukrainian media.

    [
  87. 0
    17 June 2014 15: 42
    b]Corr.: Do you want to say that Strelkov has a strategy for network-centric wars?[/b]

    EG: Here is another misconception of yours: you believe that you can know the names of the people who run these or other processes. If you are not the director of the CIA, then you can only know the names of PR people. For example, on the Forbes list are the names of the leading corporations of large corporations, but they are not the owners or managers of these corporations. If you really manage your finances and your name is known, then all soldering irons on 1000 km in the area are aimed at your favorite place. Therefore, real owners and business leaders do not shine their names. You have to be Svidomo ukrom to think that his name, person, location, person who develops and manages the network-centric operation will shine.

    The function of the official head of the structure is PR. And they assign a professional PR manager to it. For example, Girkin (Strelkov) and Borodai began as professional journalists. They have gone through a good school, gained experience and have grown to the level of PR at the global level.

    The same Girkin-Strelkov performs the most important piar function of a military leader. His function is like that of Napoleon in the French army. As you know, the secret of the French victories is that they had the Headquarters before everyone else, and therefore the possibility of operational control and concentration of troops in the right place due to more optimal logistics. Therefore, before Napoleon, they beat coalitions of the troops of all Europe, and under Napoleon. By 1812, Jomini created the General Staff in Russia, and Clausewitz in Prussia. From this point on, the French began to be beaten regularly, and the “invincible” Napoleon had to flee to England and write the last English years of his memoirs of pro-English sense (while publicly announcing that he had died on a tropical island in 25, and there 1824 was brought to Paris to bury his fresh corpse).

    Today, the reasons for the success of PMCs are that they possess the tactics and strategy of network-centric wars, and the army of the departing states does not. Girkin and Boroday today are promoting a successful PMC operation. At the same time, readers of the Ukrainian media believe that journalists Strelkov and Boroday are at the head of the mighty GRU special forces, but in reality they are simply promoting the situation, like Poroshenko in Kiev, only their owners report to them in advance that they have to do PR, and Poroshenko has only happened .

    [b] Corr.: Who ordered this operation? Will you argue that this is not Putin? He is the most obvious candidate for the customer due to his Ukrainophobia, the misanthropy characteristic of all pedophiles and the lack of general cultural development.
    [/B]
    EG: You have specific ideas about pedophiles, like everything else. Probably, you consider pedophiles of violent maniacs who commit crimes against children. You also underestimate the general cultural development of Putin too - he is still from Leningrad, and not from Drohobych.

    The reason for these or other actions is usually economic interests, and not what you have so emotionally suggested. In reality, in the Donbass there is a pressing of property lost the roof after the collapse of the Ukrainian state Akhmetov and Yanukovych. At this and hired PMCs.
  88. -1
    17 June 2014 15: 43
    Corr .: And who squeezes their property?

    EG: If someone in Ukraine had remnants of mental health, he would have long since taken an interest in this simple question. But the real answer is on the surface. It is clear that if a certain corporation is connected with a certain PMC, then a connection will usually be found between their PR managers. If Ukraine had at least one political analyst who is engaged in business, and not broadcasting erotic fantasies about the future greatness of Ukraine to the globe, he would have paid attention to completely open and well-known facts that Girkin was considered the head of the security service of Marshall Capital, and Boroday I knew there ideological PR. The main PR person for this campaign is Konstantin Malofeev, and she represents a fairly broad group of interests. So if you are interested in the future of Donbass, it makes sense to pay attention to the activities of these gentlemen, and not clowns in Kiev and not to Putin’s words. Putin will rally the situation created by corporate competition.

    You just do not say who controls the situation in the b / Ukraine and who is fighting for what.

    Corr .: And in Ukraine there are no subjects of the political process?

    E.G .: Why? Here Akhmetov and Yanukovych did not have their PMCs, used outdated technology to protect their businesses through the state, which they tried to control. They knocked this state out in one fell swoop, presenting it to the suckers that they themselves were to blame for this. And since they do not have PMCs, they immediately turned from subjects of politics into its objects. Now Akhmetov pays the bosses of the “Ukrainian army”, the “right sector” and the gangsters of Paruby, so that those (like now the “state”) try to recapture his property. Not very successful.

    Other oligarchs were smarter. For example, Kallomoisky successfully creates his small PMC. Lyashko has a small proto-private security committee, and he makes good money, solving the problems of Poroshenko, Akhmetov and others for money. Tymoshenko is trying to create her own private security complex, either on her own or on the basis of Parubiya gangs, but she is not very successful. So far neither Lyashko nor Kallomoisky have acquired specialists capable of planning and conducting network-centric operations. But the process goes.

    In addition to these forces, private security companies are being introduced to Ukraine to protect the interests of other corporations. Anglo-Saxon PMCs are usually staffed by Muslim militants. Odessa drug mafia is trying to slowly organize for repulse, but so far it cannot competently identify the enemy.

    Corr .: That is, Malofeeva Corporation is not the strongest contender for the division of Ukraine?

    EG: Of course. Moreover, she lit up because of inexperience - the rest so far squeeze their own quietly.

    Corr .: And these forces are not led by Putin?

    EG: On the b / Ukraine, such forces have opened up now, that from the mere mention of them Obama walks under him, and you are fixed on Putin.

    Corr .: Then I have a question for you: You know very important things about the events that take place that nobody in Ukraine knows. Why don't you tell the people in detail about all these things?

    E.G.: For what purpose? So that they would send me to an erotic place on foot and begin to prove that Nenka is not independent, Putin is terrible, the Maidan is an anti-oligarchic revolution, and Ukraine will be reborn as the most democratic, rich and free state? Should I talk about the real state of things and affairs within the framework of liberal Internet discourse, when the word of an idiot is equated to the word of an academician in the proportion “one horse, one hazel grouse”?
  89. 0
    17 June 2014 15: 44
    Corr .: Well, but in a few words, tell me what will happen in Ukraine in the near future?

    EG: The black section will be under the genocide sauce. How do global corporations see the situation? The population is unproductive, the remnants of the scoop industry are not needed, except for a dozen plants of the military-industrial complex, which are still needed to maintain the old systems - and then only in the Russian Federation. But natural resources - above the roof. For the production of people now is not necessary - everything is automated, as I described in my book “Post-industrial transition and world war”. As a result, corporatocracy thinks that Ukrainians are parasites, and those who, by inertia, think that people need to be given something to live with are crazy scoops.

    Corr .: But somehow these processes should be formalized - in the form of which state?

    EG: For the suckers, they have already drawn up: they depicted the election of the prezik and said that some kind of constitution is in effect, on which, in fact, they have been spitting everything for six months from a high tower, but the media are convinced that everything is done according to it. The oligarchs are trying to defend at least something from their property, so they are trying with all their might to mobilize the population through the media and public relations, that everything remains as before and must obey the legitimate authority. Therefore, such a severe censorship and control of the media in Ukraine. Have you noticed that even in the Russian Federation almost all the media, and especially Internet resources, are cursing the official authorities with varying degrees of intensity? Give an example to the Ukrainian media blamed the authorities.

    Corr .: Ukrainian media are also criticized by the official authorities of the Russian Federation.

    Ye.G .: Media zombing operates exactly until the moment when some PMCs arrive and says: “now the legitimate authority is Comrade Khryukin from the“ Day After Tomorrow ”newspaper, everyone is equal to him, and whoever maydanit is further is being dispersed by force. Today in Donetsk they simply kicked out all the local anarchists from the used State Administration building and said that there would now be the right people's power to sit there.

    Corr .: And what about Lugansk?

    EG: In Lugansk, Efremov associates are trying to keep at least something through their Bolotov. And at this time in the forest nearby, on the backbone of the PMC company, the militia is being formed from local youngsters, and people from Russia are pulling up. The real commander there is Brainstorming, and not Bolotov, who is being fancy for PR Yefremov as the main person in Lugansk.

    Corr .: In your opinion, how successful is the policy of Efremov? Who among the oligarchs conducts the most reasonable policy?

    EG: I could offer Efremov some good moves, but he is not my client. With his provincial concepts and advisers, he inevitably loses.

    And the smartest - Kernes, dumped in Israel and threw everything. I realized that there is nothing to try to keep. What about the accounts in Israel is - for that live.

    Corr .: Suppose I admit that you are not a victim of Putin’s media and are not zazombised by Russian propaganda, but really understand something about what is happening. Then tell me, what can be predicted for the next six months or a year? How to fit into this situation?

    EG: At the bifurcation point, the near future is unpredictable. Only games on wide classes of strategies are possible. We will talk about them at the seminars that I advertised above. The war is now going real, and you have to be Svidomo ukrom not to notice it. In Russia, the people at least something to guess.
  90. -1
    17 June 2014 15: 44
    Corr .: What do they understand in the Russian Federation, except for animal hatred for Ukraine, which is instilled there in Kiselev's media?

    EG: The ideas of Ukrainians that Russians think = 100% is inadequate. In the Russian Federation, they understand that there is a war going on against the Russian people, including the Ukrainian, who think that they don’t consider him for Russians (although the whole world thinks differently).

    In the Russian Federation they do not yet understand who is waging this war, since they are accustomed to the fact that states compete in the world and they also fight. But in the modern era, wars are waged by global corporations using their PMCs and other security agencies. The Russians have long given up on the state of the Russian Federation and believe that it works for the diasporas and their foreign masters........."
    After reading this I have a lot of ???????????????
    All interviews are here: http://nvdaily.ru/info/27459.html
    1. wanderer_032
      +1
      17 June 2014 17: 02
      Quote: vignat21
      Here is an excerpt from an interview with E. Guilbo


      But for some reason his portrait was printed on a printer that, in the recent past, was often used by police departments to create identikit images of people suspected of committing crimes and wanted by them.
      And this despite the fact that a lot of time has already passed.
      Why couldn't you find a better photograph for an autobiographical article?
      In addition, his permanent place of residence, Frankfurt am Main, Republic of Germany, raises suspicion.
      It is clear from the “kind” expression on his face that this person. unsafe.
      Probably one of the clients of the Institute for Paranormal Phenomena.
      1. wanderer_032
        0
        17 June 2014 17: 19
        I would also like to add that he has very wild fantasies on the topic of PMCs, from which lately it’s not clear who they’re sculpting.
        Although in fact, these same PMCs often work for a completely understandable customer.
        At VO, the topic of PMCs was sufficiently touched upon and covered quite widely.
  91. +1
    17 June 2014 17: 42
    How long can you harp on the same thing!? Are we there, are we not there, abandoned, not abandoned!? There are already a lot of articles on this topic. Read, analyze, everything has long been chewed and put on shelves, all that remains is to swallow. Watch the news sometimes)))

    PS: For "those screaming about the need to immediately send in troops."
    Ask yourself a few questions.
    In general, you have been at war for a long time; You have an idea of ​​responsibility not for yourself, but for the life and death of those around you; Have you ever looked into the eyes of a mother who lost her son - your subordinate, who died while performing poorly formulated tasks with an unpredictable outcome?
    Are you ready:
    1) get your butt off the couch and personally go to war, and not watch another “House 2” about how the army will “raid up” the d///mo;
    2) kill not only foreign mercenaries and headless Ukrainian nationalists (there are not many of them), but mostly the same Russian-Ukrainians, only intoxicated by the information war;
    3) participate in hostilities, then in guerrilla warfare, and then (very soon) in an endless punitive operation to clear out territories with a population that did not invite you;
    3) bear the title not only of “Liberator”, but also the title of “Occupier”, because more than half of the population of what is called Ukraine has already rewarded us with this in advance and is NOT GOING to change their minds YET.....
    You can continue this series for a long time, but there is no time to “sharpen your belts” anymore... it’s time for me to conduct a lesson with those who “tomorrow” will join the officer ranks. What are you doing for your HOMELAND???
  92. KC4E
    0
    17 June 2014 19: 23
    If there is military aggression against Russia. But what about a military alliance with Belarus and Kazakhstan? Will they really not help?......
  93. 0
    17 June 2014 20: 22
    Valery Bolotov, head of the Lugansk People's Republic, announced that the South Ossetian authorities recognized the independence of the LPR. According to him, the appointment of the LPR ambassador to South Ossetia is expected on June 18.
    For his part, Leonid Tibilov, President of South Ossetia, said that he made this decision based on international law. This was reported by the official website of the President of the Republic of South Ossetia.
    The presidential press service reported that Tibilov held a meeting with the chairman of the government, the head of parliament and the presidential administration of South Ossetia, “during which instructions were given to work out the issue in each area to make a government decision, taking into account further actions of the legislative and executive branches of government.” .

    Let us recall that on June 11, the LPR authorities sent official documents asking for recognition of the independence of the republic to a number of countries, including the Russian Federation of Abkhazia, the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic, South Ossetia and China. To date, South Ossetia is the only state that has responded to the request.

    #HolyWarAgainstNazi
  94. +1
    17 June 2014 20: 26
    A few hours ago, Luhansk militias destroyed a mortar crew of the Ukrainian National Guard. During the battle in the area of ​​the village of Shchastya, about forty soldiers were reportedly killed - those who had been randomly shelling the suburbs of Lugansk with heavy artillery in recent days. . More than a hundred civilians have already died through their fault. Dozens of residential buildings were destroyed. Report from the war zone.

    The road to the front line is empty. Road communication between the suburbs of Lugansk and the village of Shchastya, where the National Guard of Ukraine is holed up, has been interrupted. Next to the gas station, a truck is burning out and it seems like there’s not a soul around. However, this is not so, the militias dug in around. They asked not to film their positions.
    Of the three possible options for an attack on Lugansk, active military operations are taking place only here - near the borders of the villages of Metallist and Shchastya. All night and all day today, the National Guard has been firing at militia positions with heavy artillery, including tanks and howitzers.
    According to the fighters, the artillery fires incorrectly, without a spotter. Therefore, the shells hit anywhere. There are also no humanitarian corridors, and in order not to expose the civilian population to danger, the militia turn around all the vehicles and return them to Lugansk, even on distant approaches. There is a lot of alarming information circulating about what is currently happening in the village of Shchastya, captured by the National Guard.
    “In the village of Shchastya, a massive purge is currently taking place. They are destroying the civilian population, slaughtering women and children, all teenagers from 16 to 50 years old are being completely slaughtered. This information is from a woman who is directly there, a neighbor of one of my fellow soldiers,” says an army soldier Yugo -Vostok, nicknamed Varan.
    The militia lost control over the village of Shchastya on the night of June 13 after a massive air raid and tank attack. They do not intend to lose control of the current checkpoint - after all, Lugansk is under fire from here several kilometers ahead. Shots are heard again, it is dangerous to remain at the checkpoint.
    It is primarily the civilian population that suffers from attacks by the National Guard. The number of victims already numbers in the hundreds. In the village of Luganskoye, in order to stop the advance of punitive forces, residents blew up a pedestrian bridge. It has become a natural obstacle on the highway. Three people died here during the last attack. At the checkpoint, a Zhiguli that was shot by punitive forces still stands. The driver was killed on the spot.
    “It’s morning time. Many were on their way to the market, many here are engaged in vegetable growing: they were bringing tomatoes and cucumbers to the market. And they came under fire,” says self-defense fighter Sergei.
    There is silence in the village hospital. Some of the staff went on vacation, some simply fled. Only seriously ill patients remained in the wards. The nurses ask not to take them off, they are afraid that the National Guard will accuse them of collaborating with the militias. There is no bomb shelter here; they agreed to show us only a damp basement, where patients would be carried in their arms during shelling. We stocked up on water in advance. There is no hope for a better outcome of events, there is only fear and despair.
  95. 0
    17 June 2014 20: 32
    On the morning of June 16, on the Russian-Ukrainian border in the Rostov region, a Russian border guard was killed during a mortar attack by militants of the National Guard controlled by the Kyiv junta.
    This is not the first time that Ukrainian punitive troops have harmed the Russian Federation. Previously, the border department of the FSB of the Russian Federation for the Rostov region reported unexploded ordnance belonging to the armed forces of Ukraine, which was discovered on Russian territory in the Kuibyshevsky district in the Rostov region.
    There was also a recorded case of an infantry fighting vehicle crossing the Russian state border, in which there were soldiers subordinate to the Kyiv junta.

    And now the junta has started killing Russian border guards.

    What is Russia waiting for?..
  96. +1
    17 June 2014 20: 36
    Yulia C • 13 minutes ago
    Yes, Strelok understood everything a long time ago, from the very beginning it was clear that the Kremlin would give in to the protest. As soon as he did not recognize the referendum, everything was clear. I don’t think that Strelkov is the kind of person who did not calculate the steps of the Kremlin. Maybe he was hoping for the deployment of troops as the statements from They were specific, but then I realized that I had to stand until the end. If he had fled from there immediately after the referendum, then Putin would now be all in white. Now Putin is in complete shit, and Strelkov is a people's hero. Maybe Strelok will be killed, he seems ready. Apparently the man is very offended by the authorities. I was in Chechnya, Transnistria. I realized that it was better to die a hero than to live in Putin’s Honduras.
  97. +2
    17 June 2014 20: 44
    more and more, hands reach for a glass
    trying to drown the insult to tears:
    not accepting the battle - we’ll become traitors,
    and having accepted the battle, we will begin the war seriously ...
    and in that war many more will perish
    than we can imagine at this hour ...
    wave the glass ... a traitor to live - WELL,
    to live without HONOR is not customary with us.
    and throw the hated glass
    against the wall, as if just to smack
    We are going to YOU ​​!!! and let my vest
    decorate the fan with enemy blood spray.
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  99. +2
    17 June 2014 22: 47
    Quote: Watson J.
    If Agent 008 is not in the militia, then he is cheap. Zvizdun. And to scream, as they say, is not to run the state. He kicked, satisfied his ego, and went to the sofa. Shut up already, heroes of the pen. The real heroes are in the militia. And the media is a space of increasingly troll-provocateurs, a battlefield.

    Listen, Mr. Watson J, it’s because of people like you that Russia is being put down! And come on, no insults, a messenger with the American nickname “Watson J”! Do you love America? Just say so...
  100. 0
    17 June 2014 23: 21
    Absolutely obvious . that the irrational actions of Europe, America, not to mention the Ukrainians should not be taken too emotionally. On the contrary, their mistakes can and should be used to the fullest. Any sanctions against Russia will cause a boomerang effect and further consolidate the Slavic people.

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